Should we be teaching Critical Race Theory in our military universities and perhaps in our leadership courses?

2021-09-11T12:55:09-04:00

Please do not comment if you are still serving in the Military in some capacity; a/o where potentially your job, livelihood, or position could be at risk.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2021 12:56 PM

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I bet 3 out of every 4 answers are A. Wrong and B. Reference Marxism/Communism/Socialism

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Sep 11 at 2021 1:24 PM

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This question requires an actual definition of critical race theory.

Should our military universities teach the problems of race relations and slavery as it relates to history? Yes, is that history problematic? Yes. Should we teach any race to feel humiliated or guilty for the sins of their ancestors? No. We must stay vigilant to not repeat the mistakes our forefathers made. We should strive to achieve the dream of MLK and judge everyone by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 11 at 2021 1:25 PM

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I am not against it. Don’t make it be all, end all.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Sep 11 at 2021 1:36 PM

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Are we? Is CRT being taught anywhere? In any public schools? Where/

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 11 at 2021 1:42 PM

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Question 2
Can anyone who is opposed to CRT actually define it, or have read any of the material?

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Sep 11 at 2021 1:54 PM

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Yes, CRT should be taught. This is CRT in a nutshell: When one race uses legal means to suppress another race.

It is not the Boogey Man the right makes it out to be however. Russia, China, Europe, and just about every empire that existed on this earth used legal means to suppress the freedoms of minorities. And hell yes, us democrats were hugely responsible for a lot of it back in the day. However, our party CHANGED. We are no longer the Antebellum South. You know who is down there now. The democrats who couldn't change their views on using law to suppress minorities BECAME REPUBLICANS. The conversion of sothern democrats to republicans BECAUSE of the 1964 Civil Rights Act proves my point.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Sep 11 at 2021 2:13 PM

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Of course, it will divide our nation and create a common enemy. That way, we can judge each other by color rather than action.
Let’s not stop there. If we can create even more chaos at the US southern border, we can help the Cartels earn huge amounts of money off of the poor and drugs.
Yes Sir, creating misery and hardship while throwing a few bucks to the poor will get us one party rule.
Then, we can turn our attention to those evil unwash Americans. Especially those armed to the teeth Red Neck Nationalists. They are soooo 20th century.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Sep 11 at 2021 2:27 PM

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Why? What possible benefit would be gained by teaching a Marxist based theory predicated upon a questionable academic basis???

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2021 2:33 PM

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I'm not for or against CRT. I stand with General Milleys response that a bunch of people chose to charge the Capitol and I don't share their POV so I don't really understand why. So I want to know what motivates them.

That's not entirely true for me personally, I grew up in the most racist place I've ever been in my entire life, Central Pennsylvania. I got chased and beat for being white, I saw people get beat for being black, and Puerto Rican, people wanted to burn crosses on our lawn, there were race riots at my school.... All that crazy stuff.

I have been the minority where everyone hates you for your skin color and it sucks. Most of America hadn't experienced that and they should learn that it exists. You should have empathy for your peers and the mud they had to crawl through to get where they are at.

I also don't agree with the schsim of CRT that believes people carry some type of race guilt. I know it's not that common, and I know that the rare occasion it pops up, the hard right news tries to use that as a cover for all CRT. You have crazies on the left that believe all white people should spend their lives atoning for the sins of their grand cousins, and you have crazies on the right who believe in things like "legitimate rape". The point is that crazy people are drawn to polarizing politics, and crazy politicians will capitalize on polarizing politics for short term gain.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Sep 11 at 2021 4:53 PM

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I’m not seeing this affecting my career, so…

Are you talking about the 3/5 rule in the original Constitution? The Dredd Scott decision? How Louisiana’s “Separate Car Act” led to Plessy v Ferguson and normalizing Jim Crow laws? Poll taxes and literacy tests? Red lining? Selma? Brown v Board of Education? The “Wetback Act”? Loving v Virginia? The Civil Rights Acts of 1957, 1960, and 1964? The Voting Rights Act of 1965? The Boston desegregation riots? Rodney King and the LA riots? And so on…

Maybe the Militia Act of 1862, the Black Brigade of Cincinnati, the1st Kansas Colored Infantry, the 54th Massachusetts and the rest of the United States Colored Troops? The Buffalo Soldiers? The Tuskegee Airmen? Dorie Miller? The 442 Regimental Combat Team? Executive Order 9981?

You’re going to need to be a bit more specific here.

For the military, this would be a good foundation: “Integration of the Armed Forces 1940-1965”

https://history.army.mil/html/books/050/50-1-1/cmhPub_50-1-1.pdf

cmhPub_50-1-1.pdf

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2021 6:55 PM

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As a parent with 1/2 Chinese children and partnered with a Chinese woman who is way past successful by any reasonable measure I am often reminded her race's plight in the white man's world. In that when she bought her home the closing documents reference that the anti property ownership laws against Asians was struck down my the Supreme Court. Since the laws were not taken off the books at that time (probably forgotten) that disclosure had to be documented during the title process.

As well, when the African American's vote was worth 1/2 that of a white man's an Asian's vote was worth only 1/3.

Some races have moved more successfully beyond their suppression than others. When some races were being freed of their shackles others where being suppressed even further.

Those that seem to focus on critical race theory overly focus on races that are critical to themselves.

Response by LTC David Brown made Sep 11 at 2021 7:11 PM

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I think we should teach the concepts behind CRT to understand the origin, the political agenda of those who push it and the truths as well as the fallacies CRT encompasses.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Sep 11 at 2021 7:42 PM

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Any training offered (or forced) in a "military university" or "leadership course" should be oriented toward the protection and defense of the United States of America. The oath of enlistment is certainly a guiding statement.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Sep 11 at 2021 8:49 PM

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The military is supposed to function as a unit. I do not believe teaching theories of any kind is beneficial to the mission. I believe the government is devaluing people by putting them into categories. We are all of one race..The Human race. I doubt the person next to you in a foxhole cares about CRT. That person, like me, only cares that we can cover our ground. I'll let those behind a desk figure out their priorities. Mine is covering my assigned area.

Response by SPC Richard Stevenson (Munden) made Sep 11 at 2021 9:50 PM

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It's an important topic in historical or social context. In classes regarding those two subjects, then absolutely. Especially since there seems to be a vast ocean of disinformation and ignorance out there regarding what, exactly, CRT is.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Sep 11 at 2021 10:32 PM

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No
History should be taught as it happened bark on and warts showing. With absolutely no shifting to either the left or right. History is History and it should stay that way.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2021 3:59 AM

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Yes.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/many-americans-embrace-falsehoods-about-critical-race-theory-2021-07-15/

Many Americans embrace falsehoods about critical race theory

Critical race theory, a once-obscure academic concept that has sparked school board protests and classroom bans in some states, is largely misunderstood among the general public, even by those who say they are familiar with what it teaches about racism in America, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Response by MSgt George Murray made Sep 12 at 2021 4:59 AM

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Absolutely not.

Response by Sgt Randy Morley made Sep 12 at 2021 7:32 AM

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Of course not. Why should one be taught that his skin color is bad and that it is the reason for the racism, social injustice, income inequity, and every other Liberal imaginary victim group problem. Why should one be taught his country is bad and racist? Why all the blame on being white and living white? I am not a traitor to my race and I believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, bootstrapping and the Grace of God for my success. I dont blame anybody for my own personal failures. Our adversaries are being taught to fight and win the next engagement and are also laughing at us because of the woke, CRT/diversity diversion from what is real and what the military should be about. The latest Afghan fiasco should be a case in point. The woke, snowflake, LBGT, whiner with rights individual has already compromised themselves in regard to good discipline and order. Just ask a special ops type person or an old timer vet or recently retired service member. We need strength, not pussies.

Response by SFC Eric Harmon made Sep 12 at 2021 9:02 AM

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It is interesting to read through the responses to this question. One side uses cogent arguments backed with facts, at least for the most part. The other side uses personal attacks, again for the most part. That offers a answer in itself.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Sep 12 at 2021 11:36 AM

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It is racist, period

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Sep 12 at 2021 12:32 PM

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No. CRT is not about social justice. It's Marxist propaganda. There are better ways of dealing with race issues than trying to tear down the Constitution for political gain.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Sep 12 at 2021 3:28 PM

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Absolutely not.The idea of critical race theory is absurd. The liberals are trying to devide us. It should be shitcanned all together.

Response by LCpl Jody Frost Whitfield made Sep 12 at 2021 4:53 PM

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Can't heal a infected wound until it's cleaned out, apply medicine and expose to fresh air and sun light.

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made Sep 12 at 2021 5:41 PM

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It is nakedly a Marxist approach to the issue of race and tearing down Western culture. I recommend Glenn Lowrey on Subsplash…..which I shared on Facebook. I an trying to figure out how to share it here.

Response by MAJ Karl Swenson made Sep 12 at 2021 6:47 PM

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All right. I thought I knew about Critical Race Theory, but apparently I do not judging from the variety of comments here. So I did some research - just a tad bit - and found a couple of articles that appear to be pretty good. Both come from the legal field. The first was written in 1998, when CRT was still a fledgling field; the other in January of 2021. Spend some time with them, I think you will find them enlightening.
First
https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1238&context=cjlpp
Second https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/

viewcontent.cgi

Response by SFC Tim Mosher made Sep 12 at 2021 9:23 PM

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Nope.

Response by MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR made Sep 13 at 2021 12:50 AM

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Nope!

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 13 at 2021 1:04 PM

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I don't see any way that CRT could be taught the same way by every professor,instructor, teacher, etc., without them putting their own spin on it. This forum proves that we do not all see it the same way.
Citing it as an explanation for events in the history of our nation would be difficult to do. Would Harvard, Stanford and LSU all teach it the same way? How about MAJ Barry Johnson (fictitious) at War Fighter College (Fictitious) and LtCol Mary Johnson (f) at West Point? If they taught it for 4 years could their perspective change and the class look totally different to a 2021 grad and 2025 grad?
Math can be standardized and taught the came way so that most will graduate speaking the same mathematical language. The rules of English language are fixed.
Teaching any theory leaves tremendous room for interpretation and bias to come into play.
I am not trying to limit thought. I just don't know who would be the one to develop the lesson plan and establish the criteria to ensure student understanding.

Response by SFC Theodore Dennis made Sep 14 at 2021 3:11 AM

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The Constitution of the United States should be taught, not Critical Race Theory. It is the only document that will educate the people, and the primary object should be the education of our youth in science of government. In a republic, what species of knowledge can be equally important? And what duty more pressing that communicating it to those who are to be the future guardians of the liberties of the country. "GEORGE WASHINGTON"

Response by 1SG Terry Folsom made Oct 29 at 2021 3:21 PM

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From what I have read, CRT is based on the idea that everything people do is based on race based prejucice. That denies individual worth and is prejudiced in itself. I am not saying there is no one who does that, but to throw everyone in that box is way over the top.

Response by SSgt Steven Reneau made Oct 31 at 2021 2:26 PM

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Hiding the truth never benefits anyone

Response by SSG Andrew Chriss made Nov 13 at 2021 12:34 AM

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IMHO, no. We are forging/sharpening the spear of our military force or not. There are avenues/programs to pursue if opportunities are not equal. What we shouldn't want is to have: racial cultural debate/critical thinking on historic cultural disparities. What we should all desire is the strengthening of our Military Culture, full stop.

Response by SFC Michael Peterson made Nov 17 at 2021 7:29 PM

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The military should concentrate on war fighting, instead of participating in a social experiment. The only color that matters in the Army is green. I don’t care what color your skin is, especially if you’re wearing the uniform of any U.S. military branch. Remember the rule of the LGOP’s: “run to the sound of the gunfire and shoot anyone with a weapon that isn’t dressed like you”. CRT will do nothing other than divide the military and cause tension between Soldiers from different backgrounds.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Nov 19 at 2021 7:13 PM

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Teaching RACISM in any disguise is just wrong. Please explain to me how teaching CRT is different than teaching racism itself. All it is is reverse racism.
Be more like the Marine Corps. We are ALL the same color. GREEN. As soon as we start palcing blame and making accusations, we create polarization. It is an US vs THEM mindset. What we need is a WE mindset. Shame on anyone who thinks CRT has any place in the military.

Response by SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA made Nov 22 at 2021 3:15 PM

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CRT should not be taught or ingrained in any educational system or institution. True history should be taught, so students at any level can learn what has happened, as it has happened, and learn to not make the same mistakes, or to continue to roll with something that was made better.

Response by MSG William Wold made Nov 26 at 2021 11:30 PM

2021-11-26T23:30:16-05:00

Absolutely not. It is basically most of it is an indoctrination that if your white you need to apologize to all other races for being white. Yes I've read it. Sorry not happening. Educate yourself instead of being lemmings. , USAR Retired, Disabled Vietnam Veteran.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2021 1:22 PM

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CRT should never be taught in any institution unless you want this country to be turned into a communist country.

Response by CW2 William Melton made Dec 10 at 2021 6:10 PM

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no we need to teach what is necessary for the serviceman/ woman to do theri job . not some BLM or CRT . that is a waste of time and personnel. keep government opinions out of personal affairs. belive me if you have a problem with race it will come out soon enough and then action can be taken at that time. why tell a soldier he is racist or white suprmecy BS. wake up people we dont need to be told we are something we are NOT. Tell me long enough and you will make me what you want me not to be.

Response by 2LT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2021 5:45 PM

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No. CRT has no place anywhere unless there’s a place that you WANT to stir up hatred or fear based on skin color. For those who believe it isn’t actually taught anywhere because they don’t see a class labeled CRT, it is not a class, it is a framework for viewing the world and teaching nearly anything. A framework that says based on your skin color you are either an oppressor or oppressed. I don’t think we should whitewash history, we should learn about the evils of slavery, and how evil it is to judge any group based on their race and not their actions or the content of their character. The idea that a person who was never harmed should be made to feel a victim, while a person who never caused harm should be made to feel wrong, based on their skin color, is fundamentally opposed to the goals of civil rights heroes like Nelson Mandela and MLK JR. Put me in the camp of people who believe that racism has no place in polite society, regardless of whether the motivation (even if you believe that the form of racism against people today is somehow correcting past racism committed by people in the past).

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Dec 13 at 2021 9:10 AM

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Response by CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton made Dec 13 at 2021 12:43 PM

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Thank you for advocating that currently serving military not respond. Might I add that the UCMJ reaches even Military Retired Status and I'm not sure a response that could be interpreted by some as offensive could not become reason(s) for recall and courts-martial. CRT is a very politically charged subject and some people cannot discuss it without getting wrapped up in alleged birthright, States rights, Why the Civil War was fought and Won or Lost, Does the Confederate Flag represent a Lost Cause or a Warning of Things to come, and on and on. I believe that our United States History has not been taught in an unbiased way, nor in an all-inclusive way and them or those that see it one way have tended to be White and see it as a lessening of their Political, Cultural, and other powers, mostly rooted in "How much money is my family worth and where did it come from and on whose backs"! Others have provided the "backs" upon which those fortunes were made and may have a different interpretation of the historical background. I await Critical Race Theory Advocates and Antagonists commentary.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2021 3:36 PM

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Yes

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Dec 13 at 2021 3:49 PM

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CRT has no place being taught to our soldiers, sailors and airmen. It is divisive in its nature and promotes the idea that the very structure of our nation in all aspects is racist. Our service members need to be working as a team of people that can work with each other without animosities, anger and generally, feelings that would be detrimental to the efficient execution of the American military's mission.

The U.S. Military is not thew place for social experimentation. I have said this on many occasions and I stick to it. It's not the place for transgenderism (Another subject and while I have nothing against those of transgender as people I do have a problem with them in the military.) It's certainly not the place to teach THEORIES of racial inequality to a group of men and women that are supposed to be looking past race and only worrying about the color of their combined blood. It does not promote a desire to defend the nation as a team when you are teaching a THEORY that the very structure of that nation should be torn down to its foundations to be rebuilt into something else. What that is to be is maybe purposefully left to the imagination of all, but there certainly hasn't been any sort of suggested solution beyond the destruction of what is currently there, leading anyone with two brain cells to rub together to the conclusion that the goal would be pure chaos. This shows me that it does not deserve to be taken seriously, let alone wasting our service members time by teaching it to them as if it were a fact and driving divisive ideologies into our fighting force.

Beyond that it also bears mentioning that the very way it is presented in every situation I have seen it, it appears to be nothing more than a rip off of the Communist Manifesto but without any real portion of it being presented as a realistic solution. All one need do is replace Bourgeoisie with White and Proletariat with Black. I say this in the aspect that CRT simply breaks our society down to that. White = Oppressor, Black = Oppressed. I reject this premise in modern America as being patently false, especially when applied to the sub-society of U.S. Military life. Not to mention I have a major issue with something that shares ideology with Marxism communism being included in the training regimen of our service members in any other capacity than being shown as a hostile ideology in conflict with those of the United States and the capitalist socioeconomic system that has been proven to be successful for our nation that we have all sworn to defend.

I'm not saying racism does not exist in this nation. It does. It has and it always will no matter how much effort you put forth to try and crush it. In fact, the more you try to crush it with stupid, over the top woke-ism and half-baked theories such as CRT you will invariably, if not inadvertently, create more racism where it may not have previously existed. This is one of the reasons it has no place being taught to our military service members.

When you continuously drill into someone that they are a particular thing they will eventually begin to believe it. Our military by its nature is indoctrination from the very first day you step off the bus on your first day of attending basic training you are being indoctrinated and for a large part continues throughout your military career, however long that may last. That indoctrination is supposed to be that of being a team and part of something larger than yourself, loving your fellow service members enough to fight and make sacrifices for each other to fight and win America's conflicts. To be able to do things most civilians would not be able or even willing to do in order to ensure the survival of this nation under our laws and our constitution from all threats foreign and domestic. In short, selfless service and sacrifice to this nation. This CANNOT be done while also teaching this theory that the structure of the nation isn't worth saving and that our White service members, by the nature of the color of their skin are naturally oppressive to those service members with darker skin. This does not strike me as the way to develop cohesive team members. Call me old fashioned. No matter how you feel about the validity of the theory, it has NO PLACE being taught to our service members and is counter-productive to the mission of the military. It is divisive in its nature and can serve no good purpose to being taught to our troops.

As basic training and military careers are in fact an indoctrination into the military mind set and mission in and of itself, there are those that wish to make CRT a part of that indoctrination in order to further the propagation of this theory into our culture and to change the face of our military into one of social justice rather than that of its actual mission of fighting and winning our battles.

I will also say, I served in the military from 1988 to 2001 before being medically discharged. I served with some of the finest people from all walks of life. All colors, creeds, religious and ethnic backgrounds. Very rarely did I encounter racially driven issues. I have had minority subordinates, commanders, team chiefs, platoon sergeants, first sergeants and command sergeants major. All professionals and very successful in their careers. The U.S. Military has some of the best structures and systems in place to ensure equality of opportunity across all of its members and is more successful in this endeavor than any other organization within this country if not in the world.

CRT is the last thing this military needs and needs to be purged from any training programs that exist.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Dec 13 at 2021 6:43 PM

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No! Not only no, but hell no! Do not teach a system of thinking that divides people based on skin color. The DoD spent over 40 years teaching its members just the opposite. We must foster equal opportunity and treatment with teamwork. Dividing up by race, gender, religion will hurt readiness and service members themselves

Response by CSM Thomas Ray made Dec 14 at 2021 5:59 AM

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I am all for looking at different points of view, and if they teach CRT and not make it a mandatory course, I would be all for it. I think teaching it as a curriculum in classes below college is wrong especially in grammar school and high school. The progressive way is to teach it from early age and not to present another point of view and that is wrong. This also pertains to the so called "1619" garbage.

Response by LTC Marc King made Dec 15 at 2021 1:24 PM

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https://marcking.substack.com/p/critical-race-theory-is-the-new-jim

Critical Race Theory … IS the New Jim Crow!

My View from Inside the Turret

Response by SGT John Prolo made Dec 15 at 2021 2:57 PM

2021-12-15T14:57:34-05:00

Not being able to respond to your question if on Active Duty without repercussions, just proves how fucked up this country is. And Rally Point is just another Bull Shit leftist website. These marxists have taken over. In the past 50 years or so they have been indoctrinating children through the education system while their parents were out trying to make a living. They used to be hidden, tucked away. And then along came Obama. He opened the door and they came out of hiding. Hell, today they are as open as can be about their agenda. Like Obama said, The United States will be TRANSFORMED. I would hate to serve on Active Duty in this time. When I served you couldn't join with a mental illness. Now, the government allows mental illness to join. Yay!!! Now the government will pay for my sex change. Actually the taxpayer pays for the sex change and all the life long medication. What a Joke!

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Dec 15 at 2021 9:03 PM

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NO, Nyet, Nein
What is ?CRT? suppose to teach; because if you're going to teach ?CRT? 'Afro-American, then we need ?CRT? Asian American Mainland, ?CRT? Polynesian American, Ad-nauseum... All ?CRT? is creating is an increase in the divide that the early civil-rights movement wished to bridge

Response by PFC Joseph Russo made Dec 16 at 2021 7:08 AM

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Oh hell know…
Critical race theory is racism at its finest. It serves no one except those who want to cry because life isn’t fair, and believe everything should just be handed to them. There is no real racism in America to speak of, but there a few misguided souls out there who don’t have their heads screwed on right but not enough to rise to CRT which is I in a class of its own.

Response by MSgt Chandos Clapper made Dec 18 at 2021 10:04 PM

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We learn it with our fellow brother and sisters while serving with each other.

Response by SFC Roy C made Dec 22 at 2021 5:58 PM

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Milley, what a true dipshit. He was ask by congress why he didn't resign over the Afghanistan leave most everyone behind. His response in other words "I am GOD's gift to the military and it would be very unpleasing to some people I know" and please look it up. What an arrogant ASS.
I will also define CRT. It's when a person of "white color" disagrees with any other color. You will be called everything they got, just because you are white and disagree. So CRT is just the true racistist's way of trying to bend your will to their way of thinking. Don't worry about it, Jesus was crucified.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Dec 23 at 2021 4:31 PM

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Just beware who you bring in to teach it. We used to have Equal Opportunity & Human Relations classes back in the day. For a guest speaker, they invited in a black retired US Army general. As soon as he opened his mouth, it was obvious he was a full blown racist & sexist. This was at a very small Army post near DC. He's a general so we better just sit here & take it. He made eye contact with a black female E-5 in our company & he asked if she had anything to ask him. He used a sexist slur when asking. She asked to speak frankly & he allowed it. Wow, did she give in an earful. His response was very condescending & the more he explained his mindset, he dug himself deeper. Then other women & minority men stood up to rip him a new one. "We are all green, how dare you come in try to separate us". Then the entire company started booing him. He walked right out of the auditorium. Everybody in our company was high-fiving & giving each other hugs. So if CRT is not open to discussion & the troops must sit there & listen to someone's views then it will not have positive outcomes. We never got in trouble for chasing that general out of our midst. A few months later, we had a local white man & woman from some business group try to give us presentation that was also racist & sexist. They were lucky to leave with their lives. We are all green. Period. Will CRT have positive outcomes or will it divide?

Response by SSG John Jensen made Dec 23 at 2021 6:11 PM

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To throw another rock into the pond - Jean-Paul Sarte come up with the novel idea that all societies should be judged based on the treatment of the least favored groups in a society - this idea made him more radical than the Communists.
OT of interest to this group, Sarte's Military Unit was a Weather Station Unit ( he had bad eyes)

'At The Existentialist Cafe' - Sarah Bakewell

Response by SFC Joe Ping made Dec 23 at 2021 6:38 PM

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Ohh hell no. It is just one more step in the ladder to destroy the military in this country

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Dec 24 at 2021 6:04 PM

2021-12-24T18:04:43-05:00

I don't know if I understand CRT..contribute that to whatever you want I'm too old, I'm too young, its due to my race,, I'm not educated enough, maybe I pretend the world is perfect. I can share that my wife is Native American and because she is brown I've heard her being told to go back to where she came from or her own country! It's ironic it's always been Caucasian (assumed caucasion) women. I can only laugh and say she came from the reservation in Arizona so jokes on you. I know racism exists I being honest I don't know what to do or how it can be stopped. I will do as the Bible says and treat others as you would want them to treat you. We are all HUMAN!

Response by SPC Daniel Killam made Dec 24 at 2021 6:56 PM

2021-12-24T18:56:36-05:00

Just stop calling it CRT and start calling it accurate history.

Response by SSgt Donald Mcavoy made Dec 25 at 2021 2:54 AM

2021-12-25T02:54:26-05:00

Of course not, because it's not true the way it would be taught.
CRT is a political game that only incites racial hatred and ensures socialist democrats will get votes.

Response by CPL Bruce Ailiff made Dec 25 at 2021 8:52 AM

2021-12-25T08:52:44-05:00

CRT is Communist propaganda! Anyone pushing it is an enemy of the US Constitution. Divide and conquer is the goal of CRT. It is a tool being implemented into our society by treasonous politicians and military brass who have already been bought and paid by the CCP.
The long goal of the Communist has been to take this Country from within, they are succeeding. Read the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers that the USA is founded.
Understand what we have as Americans and what you swore an oath to defend with your life.
Don't become part of the problem, wake up!

Response by MSgt Gene Melton made Dec 25 at 2021 4:22 PM

2021-12-25T16:22:28-05:00

After reading these comments, I realize that very have answered the question that was asked. Should CRT be taught in Military Universities and leadership courses? I will admit I have never read the whole content of a CRT course, just synopsis that are available online. The content are a disturbing to say the least. Why would we want to teach a course that instructs a certain race to feel guilty about their race, the actions of people that lived more than 200 years ago? We should not. The problem is not teaching CRT, the problem is that racism is perpetuated by those that are profiting from the continued discontent that constantly pushes racism to the forefront of media articles. I've spoken to many friends in and out of the military about racism they have experienced. Not one has said they have been treated differently because of the color of their skin. They say they have experienced the same advantages most white people have. They got an education, got good jobs and lived crime free. My friends also said all you had to do to find the ones screaming racism is look to the those that refused to get educated, refused to get jobs, and spend their days planning the next crime spree. So once again No We Should Not.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Dec 26 at 2021 1:08 PM

2021-12-26T13:08:49-05:00

No.

Response by SGT Kenneth Duncan made Dec 26 at 2021 2:39 PM

2021-12-26T14:39:53-05:00

No, because critical race theory is reverse racism.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2021 9:21 PM

2021-12-26T21:21:51-05:00

Fact #1. Some banks use to redline. Fact #2. Some state Universities use to refuse admission of certain people regardless of aptitude or ability to pay. Fact #3. Some prosecutors over charge while courts over sentence while some police lie on certain groups. All 3 have happened in my lifetime. Should we not consider the impacts and insure that there are no lingering issues within our legal, educational and financial systems?

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Dec 26 at 2021 9:37 PM

2021-12-26T21:37:44-05:00

Absolutely! If America does not own up to the past, it cannot create a more just/humain beginning for all on this earth/planet. Let's get busy!

Response by LTC G P made Dec 27 at 2021 1:04 AM

2021-12-27T01:04:29-05:00

Carl Marx once wrote a book - The Communist Manifesto. In it, he talked about class division between the rich and poor. His writing became what is known today as Marxism - the foundation of Communism. Communism requires a class struggle. Communists in the West realized that with a large and successful middle class - their version of Communism didn't create too many converts. So, a new form of Communism was created, replacing the Bourgeois and Preliterate (Rich and Poor) with class division based on, among other things, race, sexual orientation... of course the old trope of the Rich taking advantage of the poor is still part of the schtick.

If you are asking "Should we be teaching Critical Race Theory in our military universities and perhaps in our leadership courses?" as a serious question - open your eyes. Leftist Woke Identity politics is destroying this nation - leftists, aside from voting for liberal socialist (ie. Communism lite) Democrats are pushing laws and policies that are bankrupting this Nation.

Anyone with 1/2 a Brain can see that CRT is a main platform of Leftist Woke Identity politics - anyone who supports is working on the side of this Nation going the way of Rome. Wake up Dummies.

Response by Sgt Wayland Burton made Dec 27 at 2021 6:25 AM

2021-12-27T06:25:18-05:00

Everyone keeps talking about CRT as if the history of slaves is the only history that needs to be corrected. What about the history of the Native American? How often is the story of the “Trail of Tears” is discussed in the classroom? How often is the bias used against the “red man” discussed? The signs that stated, “no blacks, no Indians, and no dogs” were prevalent at one time but this whole political debate around CRT is centered on black and white when it truly is about the biases and prejudice that has occur in this country and how it has been woven into the fabric of various institutions. It is good to understand how a person can be indoctrinated into believing something is only one way when the truth is that there is more to the story. To know about those biases helps to be a better leader and team member. So yes, we should teach complete history not bias history or history that skips the ugly because someone doesn’t want to admit the truth.

Response by SSG Bruce True made Dec 27 at 2021 9:30 AM

2021-12-27T09:30:43-05:00

I am retired military and a combat wounded Vet, this racist theory has no place in the military. As far as leadership of Miley he should be relieved for delectation of duty and is responsible for the disaster in Afghanistan He ought to either leave and retire or face special court martial by the Senate for conspiring with an enemy of the state known as China. God Bless all our service men and women and Thank you.

Response by SSG Rick Moncher made Dec 27 at 2021 12:06 PM

2021-12-27T12:06:52-05:00

Absolutely not we should be teaching our kids to read and write not to think and feel.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Dec 27 at 2021 12:16 PM

2021-12-27T12:16:59-05:00

Just teach and practice the Golden Rule.

Response by SPC Peter Wort made Dec 27 at 2021 12:53 PM

2021-12-27T12:53:24-05:00

Yes, CRT is a fancy way of teaching the truth about our history, warts and all. We will fail as a society if we cannot deal with the wrongs committed by our forbears.

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Dec 27 at 2021 1:54 PM

2021-12-27T13:54:41-05:00

Absolutely! If America does not own up to the past, it cannot create a just/humain beginning for all
living beings on this planet.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Dec 27 at 2021 2:19 PM

2021-12-27T14:19:36-05:00

So far, Rallypoint leans on the side that we shouldn't teach CRT in our military universities or leadership courses. You also might have noticed that I voted up your comments. I did this whether I agree with your stance or not. I simply enjoy discussing these issues on this forum and I gain knowledge from how you all respond. Thank you all so far.

Response by SCPO Rick Hunter made Dec 27 at 2021 2:54 PM

2021-12-27T14:54:50-05:00

Not if building up one group of people is at the expense of tearing down another.

Response by SSG Michael Schneider made Dec 27 at 2021 3:01 PM

2021-12-27T15:01:44-05:00

NO! It is Marxist Bigotry!

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Dec 27 at 2021 3:31 PM

2021-12-27T15:31:19-05:00

Prejudice is based on experiences with a person. Race, color etc. aren't the issues, the little Korean kid who kicked your butt in the sixth grade is. Maybe the [blank] who stole your lunch money or robbed you on the way to work. How about the guy who shot your brother [was he a robber or a cop]. Today, the big prejudices are against law enforcement.

Response by SSG Michael Schneider made Dec 27 at 2021 8:06 PM

2021-12-27T20:06:55-05:00

Retired since 1995 (30 years). Todays active duty; reserve and, guard troops will be subjected to harassment or, worse if they truthfully answer this question! Our current leadership is bigoted, marxist!

Response by CPT William Pearson made Dec 27 at 2021 8:17 PM

2021-12-27T20:17:09-05:00

We are all in this together. CRT is to me a remedial class for those who have no idea what the military is about cooperate and graduate.RLTW

Response by TSgt Melvin Mitchell made Dec 28 at 2021 9:18 AM

2021-12-28T09:18:30-05:00

ABSOLUTELY NOT. CRT should not be taught ANYWHERE, it is nothing more than telling people that they are racist simply because of what color their skin is when they are born. It, in itself, is an extremely racist and divisive doctrine. If it is used AT ALL, it could be used to teach people what kind of foolishness to avoid and use it's creator as a flaming example of hatred and racism.

Response by PO3 Robert Woodard made Dec 28 at 2021 9:37 AM

2021-12-28T09:37:02-05:00

I do not think anything based on lies should be taught. History went through a dark period. We have corrected and try everything within our power to not commit the sins of our fathers. We also should not be held accountable for those sins. We are a different country and a different planet than then. We should not rewrite what history was and is. NO THIS RACE DEVIDING THING SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT ANYWHERE. We are stronger together as one people instead of being separated into tiny little boxes. I say stop the hypocrisy.

Response by LT Jim Chatfield made Dec 28 at 2021 3:11 PM

2021-12-28T15:11:42-05:00

As a veteran form the 70s it always seemed that the military has been used for social experimenting. So I say no.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2021 11:42 PM

2021-12-28T23:42:30-05:00

Absolutely not, race religion and politics should not be discussed, see when I joined that was one thing we were told was not an acceptable topic to bring up, so why should it be acceptable to talk about now, beacsue the democrats wanna poison the mind of young people and make everyone feel bad about they're history and they're race?? I say no keep the crap out of the military.

Response by CPL David Widding made Dec 29 at 2021 8:11 AM

2021-12-29T08:11:49-05:00

Should we teach CRT to our leader. To catch you up on current events. The United States was publicly embarrassed and humiliated in Afghanistan. We needed the Taliban to protect us, left American behind and got soldiers killed. Maybe we should teach tactics and common sense to our leaders Which would eliminate Gen Mileys and an instructor we have seen his definition of success

Response by SGT Philip Klein made Dec 29 at 2021 4:15 PM

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Response by SSG Stewart Ritchey made Dec 29 at 2021 5:56 PM

2021-12-29T17:56:01-05:00

To paraphrase Adolf Hitler, the bigger lie you tell, the more people believe it.
Our history and government have been just fine so far, with only a few small adjustments.
If it's working, don't fix it.
Of course we've had our faults, but we are still the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

Response by SrA Paul Flaherty made Dec 29 at 2021 6:07 PM

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Response by SSG Marshall Paul made Dec 29 at 2021 6:32 PM

2021-12-29T18:32:46-05:00

Studied sociology years ago. CRT was not mentioned by name, but it was a serious topic that all sociologists refer to. And the military should prepare by knowing about it.

Response by SFC Brian Hawkins made Dec 29 at 2021 6:48 PM

2021-12-29T18:48:48-05:00

Yes, we should be teaching Critical Race Theory in our military universities, leadership courses, and high school. In order to be prepared for anything, then we must learn everything.

Response by MAJ Elsie Shelton made Dec 29 at 2021 8:27 PM

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Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 30 at 2021 10:16 AM

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Response by LTC David Howard made Dec 30 at 2021 12:33 PM

2021-12-30T12:33:24-05:00

If you are not against the lies and deceptions of Critical Race Theory, then you either hopelessly ignorant about history and facts, a Far Left White-hating ideologue, or just a sheeple following whatever those in authority are telling you without any critical thinking.

Response by 2d Lt Gaile Bryant made Dec 30 at 2021 1:14 PM

2021-12-30T13:14:12-05:00

Yes!

Response by SFC John Mikelson made Dec 30 at 2021 1:37 PM

2021-12-30T13:37:14-05:00

Teaching history should include all segments of our society. Not all of our policies and practices stood the tests of time. Should we not know the bigger picture going forward?

What are the contributions of non-white, female and LBGT+ servicemembers? Are they less than white male contributions?

How does the treatment of servicemembers that don't look or speak like you affect unit cohesiveness?

The Critical Race is human.

Response by PO3 Barney Baty made Dec 30 at 2021 1:48 PM

2021-12-30T13:48:18-05:00

A short answer is no, discrimination in any form should not be tolerated.

Response by SSG Stewart Ritchey made Dec 30 at 2021 2:37 PM

2021-12-30T14:37:39-05:00

CRT falls right into line with Hitler's concept of race superiority. To paraphrase him, the bigger lie you tell, the more people believe you. A lust for power, nothing more

Response by PO2 Jimmie Shelnutt made Dec 30 at 2021 2:42 PM

2021-12-30T14:42:04-05:00

Sage advice Sargent, thank you!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2021 3:50 PM

2021-12-30T15:50:39-05:00

No. I think 'CRT' (and what that is depends who you ask) is a divisive distraction. Leadership courses need to be focused directly on leadership, and universities should be focusing on teaching history, facts, skills, and the critical thinking techniques needed to apply those facts and skills in a dynamic environment. Teach HOW to think, not WHAT to think.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Dec 30 at 2021 4:06 PM

2021-12-30T16:06:12-05:00

Since Critical Race Theory has been turned into a flaming Right Wing political trope, how about starting out with the phrase “teaching ACCURATE American history” instead? I used to think I’d had a fairly decent grade/high school education here in AZ, in the 60’s, but that turned out to be false. I’d never heard of the Tulsa black massacre, never heard of causes of/frequency/numbers of hangings of black men in the south (except for Emmett Till) never realized that the routing of the Interstate highways through predominantly areas of color in many cities was often because of either deliberate OR unconscious racism…or just didn’t give a damn because it was recognized that there was NO political down side. I only saw expanding the highway system as “progress” without applying the concepts of fairness or effects on the people displaced.
A fellow soldier, raised & educated in OK, in the 80’s, NEVER heard about the Tulsa massacre. A civilian friend, educated in OK in the 60’s & 70’s also had NEVER heard of the Tulsa massacre.
A Lynching Memorial opened in Alabama in 2018, with MORE THAN 4,000 PANELS, one for each lynching of a black man, woman, or child in the South. It opened in Montgomery, AL, on the site of a former slave wearhouse. It’s 1/2 way between the sale block & the wharf where 10’s of thousands of black slaves, were imported to the US.
What we SHOULD BE TEACHING IS CRITICAL THINKING as well as ACCURATE & TRUTHFUL AMERICAN HISTORY. Both can start (age appropriate) as early as grade school. Of all of our National institutions, I’d think that both would be ESSENTIAL for members of the DOD! I am a retired ANC, 25 yrs of combined AD & USAR Svc.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2021 5:31 PM

2021-12-30T17:31:23-05:00

BTW CRT is not taught in primary or secondary schools while there are all types of conterversial courses at colleges. So why argue over sonething that does not exist. And no one should feel bad about history or the faults of others but we all can acknowledge those faults and the harm they may have caused.

Response by PVT Bobby Fisher made Dec 30 at 2021 7:20 PM

2021-12-30T19:20:46-05:00

I am hoping some things have changed since I had to be called the (n) word in front of all, having a bad day and night.

Response by SSG Dale London made Dec 30 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-12-30T21:54:33-05:00

Folks really need to look into what CRT is and where it comes from. It was introduced to the US by a group of Communist leaning German philosophers who fled Germany before WWII. Once they settled in the US they began teaching social theory grounded in the Frankfurt School which gave rise to Critical Theory -- of which CRT is a subset.
So, if you don't mind being indoctrinated in Marxist group-think and being taught that the United States is evil and systemically racist at its core, then sure -- go ahead and teach it.
On the other hand, if you believe that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and that supporting anything that tends to undermine or subvert it is a violation of your oath of enlistment, then no.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Dec 30 at 2021 10:51 PM

2021-12-30T22:51:04-05:00

CRT is basically a Critical Thinking look at American history. Add some ideology that really comes from right and some left ideologues, and you've got what they're calling Critical Race taught in schoolls. It's not. It's a seldom used legal theory taught in some law schools as a way to approach cases and suits concerning racial discrimination and hate crimes. If you take an honest look at American History, for every moment of greatness, there are moments of racial, gender, and ethnic awfulness that are as important to understand as the good things. So, howling about critical race theory is howling about an honest representation of American military, legal and cultural history. Talk about Lincoln but remember his sentiment at the beginning of the war to the effect that if he could save the union by freeing one slave he would; if he could save it by freeing no slaves, he would free none. Point to the slaughter of the 7th Cavalry at Greasy Grass, but consider Custer's war crimes against the Plains tribes and the history of broken treaties, corrupt Indian Agents, broken promises and continue back to Sand Creek. If you last name is Farrell, or Calabrese, or Roszkowski, or Stein, before complaining about the hordes of immigrants at the borders, consider what your ancestors went through and how they were treated. So Critical Race theory -- not a problem because not relevant. Critical thinking and honest discussion of American history beginning at the beginning -- not enough of it.

We probably ought to be teaching Civics and American History and at least introducing it in entry training. Problem is as always, time. But, we should be demanding that every state require a common American Culture and History track for all students. But of course, we should also require math through Advanced Algebra and Trig; Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Earth Science; American and World Literature; and World History. But, that's too hard since teachers have to teach basic hygiene and adult behavior...that is another issue entirely.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2021 12:29 AM

2021-12-31T00:29:09-05:00

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres The truth will set you free... what are they afraid of?

Response by PFC David Foster made Dec 31 at 2021 3:10 AM

2021-12-31T03:10:33-05:00

I think it's not enough to ask, "should we teach CRT"? We should teach the truth about what happened in our history, and there are very few people who can even define what CRT is! Is someone qualified to decide what should be taught in school if they can't even define it?
Without the statistics and relevant information, it's not much to teach. and even then, it's just a smally thing that could be taught in a Sociology class in a short period of time. The history of sociology in the USA.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Dec 31 at 2021 6:33 AM

2021-12-31T06:33:55-05:00

Anything that finds its way into military or civilian academia needs to be broadly analyzed and peered. Once the material is proven to be beneficial to the development of the identified office then it has to be matriculated through that each academic chain responsible for the delivery of the material can place it into the appropriate delivery format.

Bottom line there must be an identified need, in this case with the military, if so, so be it.

Response by CMSgt Marcus Falleaf made Dec 31 at 2021 8:16 AM

2021-12-31T08:16:28-05:00

Absolutely not!

Response by SP5 Michael Champion made Dec 31 at 2021 8:53 AM

2021-12-31T08:53:49-05:00

Any "theory" that is premised by segregating people in to two main categories - Oppressors or Victims - with the determining factor being based solely on skin color is flawed.

I guess that means that I am against our military academies and leadership courses should not be wasting time on a seriously flawed "theory".

I believe that racism and discrimination are 100% wrong. I am all for having military training emphasizing that.

Response by MSgt Charles Burks made Dec 31 at 2021 8:59 AM

2021-12-31T08:59:26-05:00

No, hell no! The military has been used at lab rat to long. We need to teach them how to defend the country, skills needs to have a chance of survival.

Response by MSgt Charles Burks made Dec 31 at 2021 9:02 AM

2021-12-31T09:02:45-05:00

Lessons from my life in the Military (Army 1960-1968) & Air Force (1982-2000)

From my time as a Combat Engineer and Artillery Officer I came to realize that Rank (Income), Race, Religion, Gender, Education or Politics did not matter when the bullets, shells, and bombs started flying. We are brothers in arms, our lives depend on putting those things on the back burner. We are American soldiers, PERIOD! If you didn’t want to do that, your odds of coming back home were at risk! I cried when a soldier was wounded or killed, all I saw was the blood was red and they died fighting for each other! I cry when I see a soldier come home with an American flag draped coffin and feel the pain of the family that has sacrificed a loved one for this Country. It hurts to watch people kneel or burn the very flag they died for. I remember the pride I felted during a parade formation and hearing the National Anthem. I loved my country and still do, with all its faults and was willing to risk everything for it! I remember the treatment we got during the Vietnam Era when coming home, regardless which coast. I remember the spitting and name calling that greeted us. It hurt then, hurts now and is a scar that will go away when I die! It didn’t matter if you serve in Vietnam, it was the uniform they attacked! Sad part is, they didn’t seem to realize they elected the politicians that send us into these wars!
We lost in Vietnam because the politicians ran the war from Washington. We lost because we are a nation of different values and can’t understand those who would wrap their own children in explosives and send them into a group of GIs’ to blow them up, just like I’m seeing our voters do today. What would you do? tell them to halt (stop) when you see them coming and hear their parents tell them to go ahead! Do you shoot them or let them come over and watch your fellow soldiers blown to hell! Makes me think about America today, you’re willing to allow people with this mentality come to your country, infiltrate your government and destroy the country from within.
I have respect for Lt. Audie Murphy because he was the most decorated man in WWII who didn’t have a PhD and very little education but had common sense. I met highly educated Officers who couldn’t figure out how to turn on a military radio without reading the manual! I watched Officers play ball with the corruption in government to retire to a civil service job! Common sense makes a difference. Example, going through Officer Candidate School we had a college grad who, during a compass course came to a pond and lead the men through it. Which does damage to our equipment and the soldier as well based on the weather and time before you can change your cloths and clean your equipment? Once we got to the other side, the instructor asked why he didn’t shoot a reading to a point on the other side and a reference point on the point of entry side of the pond and just walk around the pond! Education doesn’t necessarily make you a good combat leader, but it can make them great planners and tacticians!
After going into the Air Force, I was assigned as a liaison to a government operated database operation. Here, I learned just how corrupt our government (politicians & employees) can be. I realized how deep state corruption worked. I found that they use statistics to their advantage to sway voters. Look at it this way, if I told you your favorite NBA team was racist for playing all white players, you would hear Racism. If players were all black, you won’t hear that. But, from a fan’s perspective, I want to see the best players on the court, the color of their skin doesn’t matter, the talent does. The government (politicians) would give you those same stats and leave out the number of players on the team who are of those same races. It’s a mind game with politicians and it works! They use this bait and switch at re-election time. Did you ever notice how much these career politicians claim they have been fighting for you their entire career, yet nothing has changed other than getting worse for the people and them getting rich? I met ladies who told me they used sex to get promotions and some who didn’t, they experienced sexual harassment but were afraid to report it! I watched members of the military come in and play ball with what was going on to get a civil service job after retirement. They have rules that require a six-month break after retirement before you could be hired as a civil servant at the same agency where you were a liaison, however, if you were a good old boy, they got you a waiver as mission essential! They get around regulations by simply getting a waiver to allow them to do whatever they want. I realized you had to be part of the system if you were going to advance or keep your mouth shut and get by. If you wanted to report the truth, even if it’s you job. Then, you became the target. They would go after the whistle blowers to destroy their characters and make sure if you were on active duty, you would not be reenlisted at the end of your tour and if you had a promotion coming, that was gone too! I’m seeing the same thing going on with President Trump and I know the reason is that the corruption must go on at all costs! Ever wonder how they can come up with all the money for a special council but can’t find enough to increase your social security! I heard programmers telling the top (SES) government official that what they were doing violated the agreement with the reporting agency, only to be told go ahead, I’ll take care of it! Privacy really doesn’t matter because we were told that if you had a social security number, the government is entitled to your information.
I had to be there when President Clinton was visiting to give a speech about how wonderful the closing of Fort Ord, California was for the people. As he spoke about the savings to the people, I wanted to know why the truth wasn’t being told! Fort Ord hasn’t saved a dime from what I could tell. First, the University of California, Monterey Bay is funded by taxpayers. The Army Reserve unit on Fort Ord is taxpayer funded. Defense Manpower Data Center, which has DEERS, DFS and DMDC are taxpayer funded. It still has a Commissary and Exchange which is taxpayer funded. It has military housing which is taxpayer funded. In 1987, taxpayers where still funding five million a year for base clean up. Politicians brag about things but don’t give you the facts about things. They don’t make decisions on anything unless it’s you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. Bottom line for me was that I came to realize that politicians only work for Parties, Special Interests and Donors, not the people! The real problems come from voters who either don’t pay attention, don’t care, hate the country or can’t see the truth! They continue to send the same bunch of politicians back year after year and then wonder why the government is so screwed up! They have no accountability in the government simply because voters never hold their politicians accountable!

I wish we still had the draft to require military service. It could be the answer for some of the problems we have today! It helps to realize that your life depends on one another regardless of race, income or politics!

If I learned anything at all it shows this country needs TERM LIMITS to get rid of corrupt politicians. We desperately need accountability in government which includes government employees. Corruption in our government is deep! Those states that hold their politicians accountable by voting them out are at the mercy of the liberal states who continue to send their liberal people back to Washington. It’s sad to watch the greatest country I’ve ever seen or visited being destroyed, from within and if you’re paying attention, you know it’s happening!

Response by SrA Allan Yates made Dec 31 at 2021 12:57 PM

2021-12-31T12:57:29-05:00

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Response by SGT Damaso Santana made Dec 31 at 2021 1:41 PM

2021-12-31T13:41:42-05:00

Critical Race Theory is a device used to divide our country, race and way of life.
It is an essential part of communist doctrine with one result only, the destruction from within of our country.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Dec 31 at 2021 2:02 PM

2021-12-31T14:02:18-05:00

That is the most ignorant statement from anyone about CRT, we aren’t going to resolve any racist with this class or teach it to make our White Brothers feel discriminated. WTF

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Dec 31 at 2021 5:15 PM

2021-12-31T17:15:46-05:00

No, not needed

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made Dec 31 at 2021 6:24 PM

2021-12-31T18:24:46-05:00

Yes definitely some people really do need it.

Response by SSG Gregory Mueller made Dec 31 at 2021 6:27 PM

2021-12-31T18:27:26-05:00

No. It is what we do now that counts. Stop living in the past!

Response by SGT John Lawrence made Dec 31 at 2021 7:25 PM

2021-12-31T19:25:01-05:00

Thomas Jefferson when he was writing the Constitution wanted to abolish slavery right then but they knew if they tried to do it then they would lose the southern states that had slaves. If you are going to teach anything then teach the truth regardless how it hurts, we have had slavery since almost the man started in this world to include up to today. The sex slavery that goes on today is such a sad thing especially with kids between age 3 to 17 year old, did you know that in this type of slavery that 60% of the sex slavery in the world happens right here in the United States, look what happens around a Super Bowl event. So if you are going to teach something then teach the truth not CRT or 1619 project junk.

Response by SGT Mark Stevens made Jan 1 at 2022 1:23 AM

2022-01-01T01:23:13-05:00

No, this should be tossed out just like Ebonics.

Response by PO2 Joseph Chantiny made Jan 1 at 2022 10:40 AM

2022-01-01T10:40:18-05:00

Well,
You're in the driver's seat: Do you even know what critical race theory is?
Can you point to one course in a military university that openly labels itself as a course that teaches CRT?
What harm does CRT cause, such that: it shouldn't be offered? Can you major in CRT?
Is a Divinity degree required to believe in God?
I have applied for over 100 jobs this year and there were no questions pertaining to my knowledge of CRT to get a job or if I claimed to understand it or confess in any way that I have been a exposed to it.

Response by SSG John Jensen made Jan 1 at 2022 12:46 PM

2022-01-01T12:46:49-05:00

There was an author interview a long time ago (I was too poor to buy the book then) - "When the Irish became White" - up until around the Civil War if you last name started with 'Mc' you were going to marry someone who's last name began with 'Mc' - my McBride family tree before the Civil War is full of those marriages. The Irish weren't 'white' they were Catholic.
The Irish became 'white' when the Italians arrived.
And the companion book "When the Italians became White.

Response by SGT Stephen Jaffe made Jan 1 at 2022 7:35 PM

2022-01-01T19:35:05-05:00

No. The teaching of CRT teaches people to distrust and dislike each other based on race. I was in the US Army from Feb. 1965 - Oct. 1968. Feb. 1965 was during the beginning of the civil rights era. When I arrived at Ft. Jackson and all of us trainees were in our first formation at the reception station, it was explained that only one color was relevant. Army green. The NCO in charge said that if someone objected to this, let him know and he would see about getting the individual or individuals discharged as being unsuitable for military service.

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Jan 1 at 2022 11:59 PM

2022-01-01T23:59:31-05:00

CRT is a bunch of racist bullcrap. written by a racist to incite more racism against white people. I stand with those who stormed the Capitol, only it should have been handled differently. What if the Boston Tea Party never happened? we would be serving the lazy Queen and her family. I am sorry but if you believe that book of horse sh#t i feel sorry for you. Also the General is insane and should be removed from his position immediately. Patriots built this country and formed our REPUBLIC, not the idiots we have in Washington today. Biden is a complete and utter failure and he should have been impeached on day one. Also RIP to Betty White!

Response by 1st Lt Richard Gauthier made Jan 2 at 2022 1:27 PM

2022-01-02T13:27:01-05:00

First of all the discussion has a lot of flaws. Open discussion in this forum does not allow for full understanding of the intent, inflection or biases. Posts can be taken out of context. Many theories, for and opposed to CRT have a basis in fact. It is just like various religions which have been distorted to fit the proponents' views. More wars have been started on the basis of religion and religious beliefs than any other cause. Let us not use CRT as a basis for the next conflict within our society.

Response by SGT Craig Johnston made Jan 2 at 2022 4:50 PM

2022-01-02T16:50:38-05:00

My opinion is no, CRT should not be taught in the military or in leadership courses. This why I say this. It doesn’t matter what color you are, what nationality you are, or what gender you identify with, because we are all soldiers and we all have a mission to accomplish. This is how it must be in an environment where discipline is critical. Again, this is only my opinion. Happy New Year y’all.

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Jan 2 at 2022 7:08 PM

2022-01-02T19:08:46-05:00

Perhaps as a Sociology requirement or elective.

The fact is that many of our institutions have been designed by THE MAN and are tilted in his favor. but you really don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows, let alone a course of study. Given the progress in this country that we've seen since over the past 50 years, hopefully, in a generation or two, CRT will become as quaint as classifying everything into the 5 elements. CRT is merely a symptom of the times: an awareness or statement that the deck has been stacked against the black, brown and poor people of this country and that NOW is the time to correct this.

More important is to hold true to the promise in the armed services that there is equal opportunity for all, and that anyone can rise to the top solely on the nature of their character and abilities.

Response by TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson made Jan 3 at 2022 7:25 AM

2022-01-03T07:25:04-05:00

Absolutely not. The military should never be a social experiment. Since I enlisted in 92 I have witnessed how the sociologists and progressive elements have sought to degrade readiness with counterproductive policies that, in their extreme, gets people killed. The concept and allegations of racism was used to selectively bludgeon the majority, while real and egregious examples were often swept under the rug. CRT is rooted in cultural Marxism that is antithetical to the very oath we all took. It is driving the Stalinist and Maoist purges of the ranks currently and more aggressively than the political purging under Clinton. If service teaches us anything, it is that servicemembers should see each other as "green" Brothers and sisters first and foremost.

Response by SGT Jack Baxter made Jan 3 at 2022 2:45 PM

2022-01-03T14:45:08-05:00

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jan 3 at 2022 7:30 PM

2022-01-03T19:30:38-05:00

No. It is reverse racism which is even worse and works against military preparedness in war by turning your troops against each other based on skin color.

Response by SMSgt Robin Wright made Jan 3 at 2022 7:39 PM

2022-01-03T19:39:39-05:00

I am not fully cognizant of what CRT curriculum is all about. I support education of any kind and learning all history. We all need to be aware of everything that happened in the past, both recent and distant. But that's where I'd draw the line. We need to be aware of it and learn from it, without trying to place blame on people who had nothing to do with it. My ancestors may have owned slaves (I have no idea if they did or not), but that doesn't make me a racist. The danger I foresee with any CRT education is if it's used to make any race feel inferior for the deeds of their ancestors. Another thing is that people have to realize that when slavery was an issue, it was the accepted practice of the land. A totally wrong practice, but accepted none the less. When taught, this point must be made. Just like at one time, women were considered inferior and not permitted to do many things (voting, smoking, wearing pants, etc.). Wrong? Yes, but the accepted practice at the time. We have to be careful when treading into CRT territory. Doing it the wrong way will cause more harm than good.

Response by SSG Sherwin Richardson made Jan 4 at 2022 5:51 PM

2022-01-04T17:51:59-05:00

I am a retiree. I stand with teaching truth. We have all been taught revisionist history throughout our grade school years. That needs to change. And everyone should at least find out what CRT is before they comment on the topic. It has been taught in many colleges and universities for decades. That being said, I fully support it.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made Jan 4 at 2022 6:50 PM

2022-01-04T18:50:41-05:00

Response by Cpl Steve Craver made Jan 6 at 2022 12:27 AM

2022-01-06T00:27:47-05:00

Heck NO.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jan 6 at 2022 6:23 AM

2022-01-06T06:23:31-05:00

No my friend SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres the USA should not be funding Critical Race Theory philosophy in military colleges, leadership courses or the military service academies including the Merchant Marine Academy.
Caveat I am a USMA graduate from the class of 1980.
1. Critical Race Theory (CRT) is Marxist in origin and according with Marxist constructs it seeks to restructure society in accordance with its principles.
2. CRT attempts to rewrite history, economics, achievement, etc.
3. As a student of history for over half a century, I am saddened and sickened by all attempts to rewrite history from a 'modern' perspective. History is best understood through an understanding of the mores, economic principles, technology, manufacturing and scientific social and military structure
Background from {[/criticalrace.org/what-is-critical-race-theory/]}
CRT is an 'outgrowth of the European Marxist school of critical theory, critical race theory is an academic movement which seeks to link racism, race, and power.'
"Unlike the Civil Rights movement, which sought to work within the structures of American democracy, critical race theorists challenge the very foundations of the liberal order, such as rationalism, constitutional law, and legal reasoning. Critical race theorists argue that American social life, political structures, and economic systems are founded upon race, which (in their view) is a social construct.
Systemic racism, in the eyes of critical race theorists, stems from the dominance of race in American life. Critical race theorists and anti-racist advocates argue that, because race is a predominant part of American life, racism itself has become internalized into the American conscience. It is because of this, they argue, that there have been significantly different legal and economic outcomes between different racial groups."
I concur with the well-reasoned responses of my friends PVT Mark Whitcomb SSG Roger Ayscue SSG Edward Tilton LTC Orlando Illi LTC David Brown MAJ Ron Peery Cpl Mark A. Morris Lt Col Jim Coe 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel
As well the responses of SFC Eric Harmon Sgt James Dare and SPC Lyle Montgomery
FYI MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. LTC Private RallyPoint Member LTC Greg Henning SPC Woody Bullard SMSgt Lawrence McCarter Lt Col Charlie Brown GySgt Jack Wallace

Response by SP5 Roger Hurst made Jan 6 at 2022 7:30 AM

2022-01-06T07:30:07-05:00

Response by LTC David Brown made Jan 6 at 2022 8:42 AM

2022-01-06T08:42:54-05:00

Critical Race Theory is a theory of Law that states the only time time minorities advanced was when the white power structure benefited from minority advancement. This places White people in position as suppressing minorities and minorities as being oppressed. How can you have cohesive military structure if minorities view white officers as oppressors? White Battalion commander to minority subordinate, “ Capt Jones I want your group to advance on hill 76”. Capt Jones” Are you telling me to do this because it is a tough job that will probably have high causalities and you are ordering me because I am black? Why not send Smithers’ unit, he is white?”. Etc etc etc. If you really read American history you will find slavery was never universally popular and much of America’s first 75 years was spent limiting slave states and stopping slave states from gaining power. That is why Lincoln got elected. CRT is leftest BS.

Response by MSG David Lambert made Jan 6 at 2022 9:24 AM

2022-01-06T09:24:36-05:00

CRT, no! That premise serves to divide. A better alternative is for the Army to teach race relations like in the past prior to the first Gulf War. We were given classes which included lectures from a professor from the University of Colorado, Boulder. He was a PHD in Sociology. So good was the lecture, I still remember his name from the 80’s while stationed in Germany . Dr Massey lecture titled “ You are now who you were when”, great lecture may even be online somewhere . Best explanation of human behavior based on internal and external influences. That’s what is needed not finger pointing . We brothers and sisters in arms have only one color. Back then it was OD green now likely it is camouflage. Race relations has no place in a foxhole. All we have is each other after our elected leaders and diplomats fail utterly in their jobs and send us to force their will onto another indigenous population. You won’t find those career failures beside us on a firing line.

Response by SPC John Williams made Jan 6 at 2022 11:15 AM

2022-01-06T11:15:25-05:00

Teaching that any race is inherently racist is racist.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jan 6 at 2022 10:28 PM

2022-01-06T22:28:05-05:00

I have begun, on semester break to study the 67-69 Civil Unrest, the Presidential Commission on Civil Unrest (The Kerner Commission) and Special Reports on TV that followed. They all have to do with the inequities that arose from Jim Crowe, and the pains, mainly in the Northern States who resisted integration. I actually listened to the people in both sides on news reports from nearly 60 years ago. Why did whites not want blacks in their neighborhoods? What would cause this to be fixed.
In every incident, Chicago 1966, Detroit 1967, Newark 1967 and many others, the riot began as a result of a civilian breaking some law and the police over-reacting. Whites almost all said, if you don't break the law you don't have to worry about the Police and the Blacks almost all said that the crimes or infractions being committed were not all that bad. It was actually worse than it was in the country in 2019-20.

I point this out because I went to school in an all white school in the 70s and 80s in the South. I was not taught the causes of the riots, I was taught about the results of the riots. I believe that Critical Race Theory is harmful and does noting to correct the problem. What we need to do is teach HISTORY. Teach it from a neutral position. A NEUTRAL non-biased, non-partisan, neutral position. History taught and learned is history that has a chance of not being repeated. Teach the causes of the unrest, and teach that violations of the law result in negative repercussions.

As a nation we need to reevaluate the law. If they were to decriminalize some things such as possession of marijuana, tax it, regulate it and use the funds to improve the infrastructure of the inner cities would be a great start. Police need to learn escalation of response. Civilians need to learn that resisting arrest never ends up well. Laws need to be enforced evenly. Further, we need to eliminate references to race, ethnicity and gender in all college applications, hiring and promotions. In the military, we need to base all promotions and assignments purely on qualification. To insure this end, all records up for promotion consideration need to have race, gender and ethnicity redacted.

We can not go back and fix yesterday, last month or the last century. We can not go back in time and change the pattern of racism that has existed. We can, however move forward to make thinks better. Dr. King called for and wanted a colorblind society. This very day I spent two hours listening to Dr. King. Teach what happened, as it happened, and hopefully we can grow and move on.

Response by SMSgt Heinz Kiefer made Jan 7 at 2022 6:48 AM

2022-01-07T06:48:42-05:00

Absolutely not; we should not erase our history, good, bad, or ugly; it is our history.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Jan 7 at 2022 12:28 PM

2022-01-07T12:28:42-05:00

I am against CRT as it makes all minorities as oppressed and white people as the oppressor. This is not a good way to bring about racial equality or justice.
I have been around a few years going back to the 50's and forward and I saw a lot of changes in how people treated each other and racial equality. We made tremendous advances since the civil war and the civil rights movements. Recent history has set this country back 50 years or more.
Was race an issue when I was in the service yes to some extent but again we are talking the 70's.

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Jan 24 at 2022 8:51 PM

2022-01-24T20:51:36-05:00

CRT is a political narrative. It has zero place within the Military Community. Politicians and recruitment ads can fancy it up all they want, but the US Military is about fighting conflicts and protecting this Nation. No place for politics in Uniform. That causes division. Division destroys Unit cohesiveness and camaraderie.

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Jan 25 at 2022 1:23 AM

2022-01-25T01:23:42-05:00

" In a free society with a government based on reason, it is inevitable that there will be no uniform opinion about important issues. Those accustomed to suppression and control by governmental authority see this as leading only to chaos. But a government of the people requires difference of opinion in order to discover truth and to take advantage of the opportunity that only understanding brings."
Thomas Jefferson

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2022 10:58 AM

2022-01-26T10:58:11-05:00

No.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 26 at 2022 11:46 AM

2022-01-26T11:46:59-05:00

I've read a few (not a lot) of abstracts of some CRT essays. Before I read the abstracts, I had no doubt that there were some systemic barriers that can make it more difficult for minorities and low-income demographics to realize the "American Dream." Reading the abstracts made me think deeper.

I believe there is a valid place to discuss "Critical Race Theory." I don't think that place is in our public schools. I do think that place is public universities and military schools. But I also think that whoever is leading the course needs to be careful in their approach.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jan 26 at 2022 12:16 PM

2022-01-26T12:16:27-05:00

YES, it's a college level topic that keeps students from becoming "Stepford Wives".

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jan 26 at 2022 12:34 PM

2022-01-26T12:34:29-05:00

Yes, it should be taught…. It should be taught as divisive Marxist doctrine that freedom loving people should eschew.

Response by SPC David S. made Jan 26 at 2022 12:40 PM

2022-01-26T12:40:34-05:00

The only colors the military needs to base decision on is blue and red.
The military's end game is not to hug it out. We kick in doors and kill people - don't complicate it with more fuzzy logic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_force_tracking

Blue force tracking - Wikipedia

Response by MSG Peter Toelle made Jan 26 at 2022 2:45 PM

2022-01-26T14:45:28-05:00

Absolutely not! This should not be in the military, schools (civilian or military), or anything that touches our youth. I firmly believe all sides of a topic needs to be taught, the truth and nothing but the truth, CRT is not that truth. As a nation we are dangerously close to the edge with our acceptance of erasing history, re-writing history, critical race theory, pandering to races of any kind, and allowing criminals and rioters free reign of our cities. History is there to be learned from and not used as a whipping tool to manipulate a narrative. No single race is better than another, no single race deserves more than another, no single race should be raised above another (again history is history learn from it) and just because it happened 50 or 100 years ago doesn't mean it needs to happen now or there is a debt to be paid, it was history and the past. It might not be a past we are proud of, but it is the past and you learn from it, not change it or spin it into a debt or excuse for bad behavior. All races/ethnicities were at some time persecuted, or enslaved, or put below others, Italians, Irish, Africans, Polish, Jewish, Hebrews, Scotts, Japanese, etc, etc......... We as a nation are letting our leaders define who we are, allowing race baiting, and worst of all, pitting us against each other. It's up to us to learn from the past, it's up to us to use our history and move forward together and not everyone will move at the same speed, make the same money or hit the same goals, but we need to move forward as a nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. (Sound familiar?)

Response by MSgt Michael Morrow made Jan 26 at 2022 5:24 PM

2022-01-26T17:24:51-05:00

Critical Race Theory is a bunch of bunk. It's propaganda as far as I can tell.

Response by CMSgt Marcus Falleaf made Jan 26 at 2022 6:07 PM

2022-01-26T18:07:29-05:00

I am embarrassed that this whole conversation is public. I take that back, not just embarrassed, but ashamed. We are AMERICANS. Act like it!

Response by Cpl Daryl Simons made Jan 26 at 2022 6:34 PM

2022-01-26T18:34:43-05:00

No, you want change, go and serve another Gov't. All past are blotted with much pain, But that is true for every Country and Even the Vatican has for years done terrible things to people and they aren't willing to change and they control Billions of people.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Jan 26 at 2022 7:08 PM

2022-01-26T19:08:35-05:00

The short answer is no, keep the political theater out of the Military, its bad enough with toxic leaders running amuck.

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Jan 26 at 2022 8:40 PM

2022-01-26T20:40:16-05:00

Everyone on this planet that co-signs/refer to Historical FACTS of :

Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide/Mass Murder/Rape/Stolen Land/Mass incarnation/Racist Legislation & Laws of “African Americans/Black People/Colored/Negro/The African/The Backs/The Coloreds”

Is being : Disrespectful
Disingenuous
Offer Devaluation of Atrocities

of Historical FACTS of the Systematic White Racism that hasn’t ended and took place in the past & currently still ongoing within solely the boarders of the USA.

RARE Footage: Ex-Slaves talk about slavery in America :

Source :

PT. 1 : https://www.loc.gov/collections/voices-remembering-slavery/about-this-collection/

PT. 2 : https://www.loc.gov/item/afc1940003_afs03975a/

Video : https://youtu.be/fZfcc21c6Uo

As Critical Race Theory are completely wrong. Period

Definition of theory
1
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
the wave theory of light
2
a
: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action
her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn
b
: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory
in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all
3
a
: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b
: an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE
c
: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject
theory of equations
4
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
music theory
5
: abstract thought : SPECULATION
6
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

SOURCE :

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

No, these are FACTS. CRITICAL RACE FACTS.

“I will not apologize for telling the FACTS, in a world that worship the lies”.
**************************************************************************
BONUS FACTS : For those that always say we are complaining and living in the past :

Racist Notes in Journals of Gunman Who Killed 2 Black People Revealed by D

By Khaleda Rahman On 7/8/21 at 8:15 AM EDT

The Racist Crime was committed : June 26th, 2021.

1st Victim : African American Woman - Veteran Air Force SSG {MURDERED} (CIVILIAN)
[Because of 2021 White Racist]

2nd Victim : African American Man : Police Officer {MURDERED} (CIVILIAN) 36 yrs. Retired
[Because of 2021 White Racist]

June 28, 2021, 8:09 AM EDT / Updated June 28, 2021, 4:44 PM EDT
By Wilson Wong

“Authorities are investigating a Massachusetts shooting that left two Black people dead as a hate crime after investigators found "some troubling white supremacist rhetoric" in the gunman's handwriting, officials said Sunday.

Suffolk County District Attorney Rachael Rollins, who identified the suspected gunman as 28-year-old Nathan Allen, said during a press conference on Sunday that investigators found "antisemitic and racist statements against Black individuals."

https://youtu.be/teaYm2zPWcY

Stop telling us to get over racism when whites racist in America still exist and are planning more attacks.

Churches - School - Just Living

*** this a repost from myself, because people are tooooo comfortable with the status quo ***

“I will not apologize for telling the FACTS, in a world that worship the lies”.

About this Collection |Voices Remembering Slavery: Freed People Tell Their Stories |Digital...

The recordings of former slaves in Voices Remembering Slavery: Freed People Tell Their Stories took place between 1932 and 1975 in nine states. Twenty-two interviewees discuss how they felt about slavery, slaveholders, coercion of slaves, their families, and freedom. Several individuals sing songs, many of which were learned during the time of their enslavement. It is important to note that all of the interviewees spoke sixty or more years...

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jan 26 at 2022 9:10 PM

2022-01-26T21:10:24-05:00

Important question to which I have no answer since I hear such diametrically opposed descriptions of what is being taught

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 26 at 2022 10:02 PM

2022-01-26T22:02:26-05:00

NO, it has taken us as a Nation over 157 years to try to put slavery behind us and move forward. Hellfire folks are now talking about undoing all the work that civil rights workers and Dr King did/accomplished for 1960 and on. Heck to break the news to CRT, but every Empire, Nation, people had slavery, many for centuries, it's in the Bible, the Talmud, the Koran etc. There may be different color skins, both there according to Darwin only 1 race, the Human race

Response by SPC Kenneth Gaiser made Jan 26 at 2022 10:31 PM

2022-01-26T22:31:57-05:00

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 8:09 AM

2022-01-27T08:09:12-05:00

The CRT fear-mongering will go away when the republicans take back the house and the senate.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 11:26 AM

2022-01-27T11:26:09-05:00

Race-based identity theories (like CRT) should not be taught in the military--period. The military should teach MILITARY-based theories, and focus more on training and readiness. Everything else is a distraction that will result in lots of body bags (of Americans from all origins).

Response by Sgt Diego Rodriguez made Jan 27 at 2022 11:40 AM

2022-01-27T11:40:21-05:00

No, it will not help unit cohesion if we teach this stuff. Plus why pit the men and women against each other based on their race?

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jan 27 at 2022 12:20 PM

2022-01-27T12:20:19-05:00

I truly believe that American History should be taught, warts and all. I also believe that all Equil Employment Opportunity principles and requirements should be taught and supported. Finally, I believe that any system that engages in racial prejudices should be identified and opposed.

Now, what's this about CRT?

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jan 27 at 2022 1:36 PM

2022-01-27T13:36:47-05:00

It took us so long to get where most service members saw themselves as green. We defended our sanctum from anybody who tried to split us up along racial, ethnic, political, & religious lines. Then we got a commander-in-chief who turned the military into a social experiment. It destroyed trust, cohesion, & readiness for the sake of what? To make him & his cohorts a good feeling or a rush? Not all initiatives are positive. I am not against CRT but in today's polarized world, it does seem much more like an agenda when people are labeled as hostile for just asking questions about it's content. That sounds suspiciously like someone's agenda, not about unity & equality.

Response by Lt Col Brendan Bonner made Jan 27 at 2022 2:33 PM

2022-01-27T14:33:19-05:00

The greatest military in the world is being destroyed one day at a time by our leftist leaders

Response by LTC Stephen Oliva made Jan 27 at 2022 6:15 PM

2022-01-27T18:15:39-05:00

If CRT is as defined below, then no we should not be teaching it anywhere:
"Critical race theory is defined by the Encyclopedia Britannica as the concept in which race is a socially constructed category ingrained in American law intended to maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites. It holds that U.S. society is inherently or systemically racist."
There has been significant progress in correcting the problems of the past (civil war, integration/voting rights/equal rights legislation, etc.) and there is a way to go, but that does not mean that race is currently 'ingrained in American law" or that our current society or military is "inherently or systemically racist" or that today's society is responsible for what society thought hundreds of years ago. The curriculum should emphasize history and what has improved and how students can help improve things further, as opposed to how they are at fault for the problems of the past, which seems to be where CRT is focused.

Response by PO1 George White made Jan 27 at 2022 9:51 PM

2022-01-27T21:51:31-05:00

To me the proposition is asinine. CRT is complete bullshit from beginning to end. It is a great theory built on nothing but the assumption of a unique victimization......and bubba there is nothing unique about victimization in this world. Any decent student of history knows there is a continuous documentation of oppression, victimization, and yes genocide running through "all" (yes you read that right - all) of human history, old world and new world.

An idiotic ideology based on the foundation of trying to determine whose ancestors suffered the worse at whose hands is the ideology of a useless fool who does nothing but throw sand in the machinery of progress.

God help me, but I never thought to see such stupidity in our military.
George White

Response by PO2 Chris Sabo made Jan 28 at 2022 12:50 AM

2022-01-28T00:50:38-05:00

No Critical race theory is B.S. just like gender studies.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made Jan 28 at 2022 8:53 AM

2022-01-28T08:53:56-05:00

Absolutely NOT! There is One Race called the Human Race, nor should any Color be give additional preference over any other color!

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made Jan 28 at 2022 9:58 AM

2022-01-28T09:58:24-05:00

Critical Theory is at it’s core Marxist and is contrary to the way the West has thought about things. Critical Theory is designed to undermine the existing social order and create a new one. The present iteration of CRT centers around The 1619 Project, which is clearly a piece of fiction that is asking us to discard our country’s foundations and heritage and adopt a myth that is rather poorly constructed and clearly not true.

I have never seen our military the way it is right now. I am concerned that we are simply hiring young people to make them soldiers of a wokeness rather the defenders of freedom and democracy. If this current regime is successful in altering the very fabric of our military, then we are preparing to offer our nation to the dominant Marxist powers in the world, worse is the prospect of making our military so woke that they no longer see America as a nation worth defending. It has been a slow decline since the end of the Second World War, and is the proximate cause of our inability to win a war. I know that this is harsh, but in my own lifetime I have witnessed the creation of people dependent on the government rather than the “rugged individualism” that was the ideal I grew up with.

Every nation has a shelf life. I guess I didn’t realize that I was living in the period of our own nation’s decline. Our foundation and institutions are now simply being denied as worst, ignored at best. America as a mediocre nation is antithetical to my upbringing, but I am more and more aware that we are almost there.

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Jan 28 at 2022 2:18 PM

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All of this reminds me of the bi-annual climate surveys with the carefully shaded questions that were repeated in several enumerations to prove that I was a racist or that ONLY 'white supremacy' existed within the Rank and File of the Navy. I resented that fishing expedition. If I answer Honestly, I made myself out to be some sort of bigot, even a racist.
"Do you or members of your work center do activities with other work center members, Off-Duty, who are not of the same race or ethnicity?" Being 10-15 years older than my own peers, I didn't hang out with anybody. (I did not Enlist at 32 to join a damn social club) This questions seem innocent enough. However, when taking questionnaires that are weighted to find a problem, no matter what, several reiterations of the same premise will "find" what they are looking for. No much different than how news media, pollsters, and politically motivated scientist/doctors reach the conclusion that they desire, or are paid for.

Never was there a question like, "Would you put yourself in harms way, give your Life even, for a fellow Sailor who is off another race, ethnicity or religion?"

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Jan 28 at 2022 4:16 PM

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I am retired so I have nothing to lose. Critical Race Theory has some merit, but I believe some sensitivity should be shown in the manner in which it is taught and presented. While I am supportive of minorities and have been just about all my life (back to age 5) there have been times when my actions or words might not have been appropriate. Had I been a bit more sensitive at the time I chose to use them I would probably not have done so. I believe we should always treat those in minorities as human beings first and not focus on the racial differences. I happen to be part Polish. I don't mind Polish jokes and even think they are funny, but some Polish Americans may be much more sensitive than I am and their feelings should be respected. Moreover how other people see them and my family is every bit as important as possible sensitivities. Black children, or Hispanic children or any children should be happy with who and what they are. I don't like dehumanizing terminology, such as referring to immigrants as "illegals". For one thing they may they may be legal residents or even citizens, but for the main thing "illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. All four of my grandparents were (legal) immigrants, German on my father's side and Polish on my mother's. I am proud of all of them. Every child and every adult has the right, if not the duty, of being proud of their families. If Critical Race Theory helps bring that about it is a good thing. We also need to understand we do not share the guilt of those who came before us, whether slaveholders or any other group of people. We have only our own guilt to be concerned about, and we can certainly avoid that by our good behavior and words. If you read this far, thank you.

Response by Maj William Mitchell made Jan 28 at 2022 5:03 PM

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No.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jan 28 at 2022 5:37 PM

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The fact that you feel compelled to post "Please do not comment if you are still serving in the Military in some capacity; a/o where potentially your job, livelihood, or position could be at risk." tells me that you already know the answer

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made Jan 29 at 2022 2:13 AM

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Not no. But Fu** no! And I’m a minority but he’ll nah… I don’t want my kind to take a scholarship just because he’s or she’s brown and don’t want someone to take it from them because they happen to be “disadvantaged according to woke”… merit

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Jan 29 at 2022 7:50 AM

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Response by SSG Richard Ingram made Jan 30 at 2022 8:11 AM

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As a crusty old retired bastard , ( who grew up in the south) I was tought that if you down graded others or caused discontent in the ranks you usually got some individual counseling if that didn't work you received individual counseling ( usually wall to wall) the problem is that society is trying to blame all it ills on it's past , rather than deal with it . You can't blame me for the sins of my father's. (Which CRT seems to do ) You can only blame me for my sins . Everyone despite race or religion has opportunities to advance in life, if they are willing to work for it . Especially in the military . Society can't erase history or the injustices that was done , but to teardown statues and memorials ( even the ones dedicated to African American soldiers) doesn't change history it only causes strife. Which should cause a good soldier to see it for what it is... A return to segregation, with them over there and us over here . And NO Army can fight as a team with that kind of division . "A divided house can not stand.

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2022 6:08 PM

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I don't feel it is necessary to teach CRT. Most of us come from families who have taught us that all men are equal in the eyes of the law. When someone breaks the law, it matters not the color of his/her skin, it matters that the person is culpable. If we don't know this at a very young age, we'll never know it. It is character that matters.

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made Jan 31 at 2022 7:45 PM

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Simply out. I believe the classroom is to learn, be educated, become a better person. While some things have a place in the classroom, others don’t.

Personal beliefs, politics, or attitudes have no place in the classroom. History, ethics, civic duties do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2022 10:33 PM

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Depends on how it's taught. America has a history of racism and oppression. That's not an opinion.
And while many comments say CRT is Marxist or CRT promotes victimhood let's think.
No one is accusing a specific individual service member of being racist or oppressor.
Ok great. Guess what.
Some of your fellow service members are going to go on leave in civilian clothing AND GET HARASSED by police.
Some are going to go on leave and get invited to a clan meeting.
And you think not being empathetic to what people go through off duty is a good thing?
Why does soinso have a chip on his shoulder.
What subconscious things drive a person.. even unknowing preferential treatment?
Racism is deep rooted even in those that are not racist.
Teach it, but for empathy not pitty

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Jan 31 at 2022 11:36 PM

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No we should not be teaching anything based on politics. CTR teaches Americans are guilty of racism of other Countries such as Britain and Spain prior to 1776. What happened after the stars and strikes or hoisted we own and are responsible for in history. But CRT, BLM and the left want to blame Americans for all Racism all the way back to the Egyptian pharaohs and Jews. Horsecrap it was the British empire in Spain then brought slaves to the America’s and Slaughtered Thousand. But America is to blame for everything along with European Americans. Dose CRT teach about the British Empire and the China tea company which was a front for slave trade NO! It’s America’s Fault screw CRT and the leftest America Haters!

Response by SPC Jeff Daley, PhD made Feb 1 at 2022 12:21 PM

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The subject matter associated with this topic is huge, and diverse in the explanations. This is an attempt to reduce the subjects to their lowest common denominator. The explanations are opinions based on professional and academic reports.

Quote: “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.” Socrates

CRITICAL RACE THEORY (CRT) states that U.S. social institutions (e.g., the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race. If you believe the United States Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg claimed there is “racism physically built into” United States highways. He further urged Americans to think about how racism impacted the construction of our highways for years.

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS (CTS) are the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.

IN MY OPINION - Critical thinking on its face is about inquiry. It challenges what is stated, or taken for granted by making observations, gathering more information, taking the pieces apart, examining them, and finding solutions. It’s more about Who, what, why, where, and how rather than, You’re wrong because I said so!

The men and women in military universities deserve an education that benefits the best possible results in both peace and conflict for those they lead, those deep in the fight, and the citizens of the United States of America that our military is supposed to protect.

How many times in combat under fire did you use CRT in your decisions for the best possible results? Arm our men and women with the knowledge and CTS that gets the best results. In short, our student's time would be best served to learn critical thinking skills.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2022 12:37 PM

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No. CRT has been politicized to ridiculous levels. That should translate to the military branches staying as far away from it as possible. We already have a course that taught unity and working together, it's called basic training. Atleast we did until the snowflakes started crying about the drill sergeants saying mean things that hurt their feelings.

Response by CPL Sam Yellowbird made Feb 1 at 2022 1:12 PM

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We should be teaching history as it was. The good bad and the ugly. Would you teach a mission that went bad and ugly in say an officer training so the new officers might learn what not to do. Trying to sanitize history can lead us to making the same mistakes over and over again.

Response by Sgt Tony Kollmorgan made Feb 1 at 2022 2:13 PM

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Is this a serious question? If so, which constitution did you swear an oath to? Anyone who thinks CRT is a good idea doesn't understand their history and is confused about their allegiance. SMH

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Feb 1 at 2022 5:52 PM

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No, it's not historical facts, but fictional attempt to be historical. In reality some dingaling N.Y. Times was the author and a Communist

Response by Cpl Stuart Blankenship made Feb 1 at 2022 7:30 PM

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You mean should be we be teaching history? That is what co called CRT is after all and nothing more. Why is one section of society so afraid of teaching the factual history or another part of our society? Because it might paint the other in a bad light they call it what they are they themselves might be guilty of, not them themselves but their section of society.

Response by MSgt James Hunt made Feb 2 at 2022 12:09 AM

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I can not see why anyone would take issue with the words "Critical Race Theory" unless the real history of America , as it pertain to this subject, make White people feel guilty about America's history. I went through a Jim Crow education system where American history as it pertains to Black people was brushed over. White people have always had problems dealing with the truth about America's true history as it pertain to Native Americans, Blacks and minorities of Color. because it serves their purpose of feeling superior to any race other than White-which is totally without justification- that BS about America's superiority as it pertain to White people, Make America Great Again, White Kids going to be terrified and emotionally damaged, forever scarred, if the truth had been made a part of the educational curriculum in the school system in the past I think the White adults of today would have better served and be better informed of the real purpose of and the importance of this subject . if they had been taught the truth about American History, including the true affects of slavery, Jim crow actions, including lynching, terrorism against Blacks and other Minorities carried out by their grandfathers, uncles, cousins of the present White population who have problems with true American history being taught. Hell, White American didn't give a Damn when Black kids were taught lies about our history, our achievements, our ability to overcome racial oppression and obstacles and how that effected us at the time and Black children to this day. So to the SFC who object to the Critical Race Theory subject-do your research, try to remove your built in biases that were taught and made to be a part of your thought process as it relates to the true teaching of the racial history of America-I make the same recommendation to any White person who have issues with this subject. I guarantee your kids who you pretend you need to protect will turn out be to a better person than you.

Response by SP5 Jim Shively made Feb 2 at 2022 6:56 AM

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I believe that the folks who initiated and pushed CRT are/were wrong by saying that previously taught history was incorrect and they want to set the record straight. Tearing down statues that were placed by citizens who felt the represented person made a positive contribution is not the right course of action. Most of the people who push CRT suggest that "If you don't agree with us, you are a racist person."
To say that people like Thomas Jefferson was an evil person is just so wrong.
Finally, CRT is wrong and should NOT be taught to anyone, especially the military.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2022 8:15 AM

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It's been shown that CRT is making things worse. Sure, there are aspects of it that can be taught. Those in government leadership make things worse by saying everything that happens is "racist" when someone doesn't share the same opinions or ideas as them.
We need to stop throwing the race card at everything first. Then we might have a chance to move forward.

Response by SGT Martha Marden made Feb 2 at 2022 8:15 AM

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No absolutely no

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Feb 2 at 2022 10:13 AM

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Let me get this straight. Teach everyone a theory as if it was 100% fact?
No i don't think so. We are the Military we deal with facts every day we make decision on facts. Not Theory.
Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works. The word has its roots in ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings.
If you were brought up on Charges lets say Non Judicial would you want Theory used as tangible evidence/fact or would you want to be Judged by a theory? "Well if i send the Soldier off on his own he will just goof off." YOU DON'T know that! you are dealing with people where no two are exactly alike you CAN NOT generalize when it comes to Soldiers. Good Soldiers will do the best with what they got to accomplish the Mission. Will some Ignore the Mission if unsupervised? Most likely yes, however no one can predict that if they are well managed and trained they well complete the Mission first and for most. On the other hand with out supervision they may goof off after the Mission until some one gives them more instructions. CRT in its Title is just a Theory, "if you piss into the wind it will get on you shoes" In Theory this i true unless you have a high wind then it gets on your trousers. JMTC

Response by SGT Cass Hill made Feb 2 at 2022 11:50 AM

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If teaching military history is considered important, then teaching it through the lens of critical race theory is the only way to do it. Plenty of people think that CRT is done kind of Marxist conspiracy, but those that think that either don't I now what Marxism is, don't know what CRT is, or both. It's not enough to know that there were only about 120 black commissioned officers in the union army, it's not enough to know that the military was racially segregated until 1948. The importance of history goes beyond "what happened", the more important, the more relevant aspect is explaining exactly WHY it happened. And that's exactly what CRT is. It teaches things like why the military felt that race was was a valid factor in determining what a soldier was and was not capable of, it teaches how the gi bill was first structured to exclude as many black veterans as possible. CRT has nothing to do with Marxism, nor does it teach people to hate white people or preach white guilt. CRT is an objective view of history as it pertains to racism, and how race influenced decisions, particularly with regard to politics, and anyone that says that it's Marxist is an absolute fool.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Feb 2 at 2022 12:25 PM

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Are you NUTS? If this puts jobs at risk, doesn't that say something?

Response by Sgt Dale Taylor made Feb 2 at 2022 4:30 PM

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Soldiers volunteer to serve God and Country. Professional soldiers know right from wrong and should be held to a high standard. The military is highly disciplined and defend their fellow man from evil. American Soldiers are a cohesive branch of men and women with the same goals and purpose. Racism should never be tolerated and individual cases should be dealt with within Commands. By the same token, stop shoving the bullshit of any theories to the masses and hold individual’s accountable for their conduct. Weed out your soldiers that don’t make the cut regardless of their identity.

Response by LCpl Paul Miller made Feb 3 at 2022 2:10 AM

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Sure let's spread more NWO lies and bs. We don't have enough misinformation flying around.

Response by LCpl Paul Miller made Feb 3 at 2022 2:12 AM

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Let's go brandon! Shovel that CRT shit.

Response by CDR David Troutman made Feb 3 at 2022 11:24 AM

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no

The military was the first to desegregate in 1947, and throughout my career was a wonderfully raceless organization, either jungle green, haze grey, sky blue, or orange and white. Whatever the rest of society was doing, we demonstrated what was possible and preferable. Once you have gotten close to combat, color doesn't make any difference, if it ever did. CRT is pouring poison into the well without purpose.

Response by SPC Jeremy A made Feb 3 at 2022 1:06 PM

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Don't mind me, I'm just here for the show.

Response by SPC James Clauson made Feb 3 at 2022 5:55 PM

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crt is socialism using racism as a cover.. martin !uther king would be pissed at this crt garbage

Response by SGT John Keating made Feb 3 at 2022 6:05 PM

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the answer is no - it is just more racism

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2022 7:29 PM

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CRT examines the race in relation to laws in the US. It’s aim is to challenge conventional approaches to racial justice. I think very little applies to what most people think about when they think about CRT.

I think the guiding principle behind CRT, intersectionality, is deeply important to understanding race relations in the US. While we would like to say we are post racism the entire system that was built during Jim Crow and segregation is still in place. We should be learning about how and why things are the way they are, and how they may or may not be implicitly racist in their intent.

This is especially important when working with Soldiers, as taking one action over another might be enforcing racist policy on Soldiers.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Feb 5 at 2022 1:04 PM

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Food for thought:
There are two African nations, whose history dates back over 3000 years, Egypt, and Ethiopia...
Africans sold Africans into slavery long before the founding of America...
Africans sold Africans into slavery to Arab slave traders...
Arab slave traders sold those slaves to the highest bidders...
Spain, Portugal, France, England, et'al, brought those slaves to their respective colonies...
In the US, the "Fugitive Slave Act" of 1850 was one of the most despicable laws ever passed in the US...
The years between 1878 and 1965 was the most aggress period in American History...
The major difference between the Antebellum era and Socialism is the "Taskmaster"
The idea that we, the "Children of Today", are responsible for the "Sins of our Fathers", when that "sin" was an accepted societal norm for the era I find ludicrous...

Response by Alexander Earlheart made Feb 5 at 2022 1:16 PM

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CRT is an anti-white, racist narrative that says white people are inherently racist. It is very dangerous, divisive, racist bullshit. It is also used to justify a greater level of government control and re-distribution of wealth, which are core socialist/communist principles. Basically, CRT stands against everything America stood for since its founding. So, should it be TAUGHT in LEADERSHIP courses? HELL NO!

Response by SMSgt Kevin Chouinard made Feb 5 at 2022 3:21 PM

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The military always prides itself by not being influenced over civilian squabbles. Especially when Hate is the issue

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Feb 6 at 2022 10:24 AM

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No.
There are many things important to all American citizens. Religion was a big part. Ending of slavery. Civil War.
Schools have no business teaching a child or teenager things a parent should teach. CRT is not needed for essential life skills. For the most part, public schools are brainwashing and indoctrination centers.
Segregation is a major attack on humanity. All lives matter or no lives matter. BLM is simply showing people think one group is "better" than the rest. LGB+ include every made up gender and identity but exclude straight people. Push for more "diversity and inclusion".
We don't need more of those in fact we need limited amounts of it. The military does not allow certain people to enlist for good reasons. They kick out those who don't meed meet the requirements. The military is supposed to be some of the best and brightest of us not some weak, all-inclusive club and Milley has helped damage it.
People have become too soft.
I saw a recent article where one school made it's grade school student wear signs and march around yelling "Black Lives Matter". Made white children apologize to black/brown children.
Perverted and disgusting.
Almost anyone can get in the military and what sane person would give "them" a weapon?

Response by SGT Eric Hubbard made Feb 6 at 2022 3:44 PM

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No, not at all. Teach what actually happened, then yes! Teach guilt and sorrow that you can only be what your color says, then no. CRT seems to only teach victimization and guilt. No thank you. Too many examples of overcoming what people “should “ have been to follow that that course.

Response by PFC Jerry M Burwick made Feb 6 at 2022 11:58 PM

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No it’s a bunch of crap. Once a Soldier you become Brothers and you have to depend on each other. I’m against anything that would be a hindrance to that bond.

Response by PO2 Keith Cable made Feb 7 at 2022 5:30 PM

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Critical Race Theory, contrary to popular political hoopla is a field of academic research and discussion. As such is should exist in service academies to the extent it is otherwise relevant to the field of study. In other words, it's relevant to sociology, but not engineering.

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Feb 8 at 2022 10:35 AM

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Absolutely not.........this garbage does not need to be made public in any form or fashion......everything white is not bad and everything black is not good....and that's basically what CRT teaches !!!!!
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Response by CPT Maria Burns made Feb 8 at 2022 11:13 PM

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No. We had a discussion on critical race theory in one of my social work courses. In a nutshell, critical race theory states that racism is endemic in all aspects of American culture, government and society. Everything must be examined for discrimination against non-whites. It's not what I learned when I was enlisted in the Army, which was that there was only one color: green. If you're from a different branch of service, substitute an appropriate other color.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Feb 9 at 2022 4:48 AM

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I decided to back off for a few days as knew how angry this post made me and would likely regret how colorful my language would become..

Purely my own opinion but ANYONE who is for Creating Real Terrorists, for OBiden, Pelosi, Schemer, 99.9% of Democrats and ALL RINOs are without doubt the lowest form of traitor and most certainly could NEVER refer to themselves as a Patriot..THEY are openly murdering vast populations with the lies and deathshots and soon the funerals will fully speak the truth of the deception...

Again, just my own opinion of course...

Response by SN Gary Cable made Feb 11 at 2022 12:44 PM

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Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Feb 20 at 2022 5:04 PM

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Prejudices occur well before basic training, leadership training or leadership positions. Prejudices occur because someone is injured [physically or mentally] for no apparent reason [thief, bullying, etc]. Would CRT stop it? NO. What would help? A "REAL" education [not social promotions], and an internship in a chosen field [I'm talking learning a trade--accounting to welding]. This will propel one economically into a good job [not flipping burgers and crying the minimum wage is not enough]. Also instill pride in ones self. Race doesn't a part of getting ahead, ones ability to go out and get an education to accomplish a vocation [NOTICE I did not say a college education; I said an education]. Red, Yellow, Black or White, they all have an opportunity; HOWEVER, they MUST accept it and progress. Opportunity doesn't come to you, you have to go to it. I applied for a job every time one was open for three years before I was finally hired. That is call perseverance. That is part of ending prejudice against ones self.

Response by MSG Michael Gay made Feb 21 at 2022 2:52 PM

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Teaching the TRUTH, especially in History, Political Science, Government and Sociology. If you were not taught that Slavery, segregation, discrimination, Jim Crow Laws and anti-Civil Rights issues were fully supported and the mark of the Democrat Party you were indoctrinated not educated. That is easy to determine in History Textbooks first. If thee book does not clearly identify President Woodrow Wilson as the most racist President in our history the book is simply Democrat, or liberal indoctrination. HIS speeches and HIS writings show his racism. If you were a History Major and do not know that you deserve a refund from any course in History that you paid for in College.

Response by MAJ Gerald Richards made Feb 22 at 2022 1:51 AM

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Sergeant Perdelia-Torres I too believe the military establishment should take every opportunity available to teach military leaders and everyone else Critical Race Theory, a discipline developed at the University of California, Los Angeles after considerable research. That people are somehow a different
animal because the pigmentation of their skin is a shade of brown that is darker than that of the very light tan of those who insist upon calling themselves 'white" just is the product of ignorance passed on through the generations. It is clear that all of us are made from the same cloth because so long as each member of a male and female pair are fertile their joining will produce a child. As for those with different religious beliefs, the question of their "race" should not even be an issue. The classification of some people as caucasian and some as Semites (ie. Jews and Arabs), are linguistic classifications based upon the languages spoken. Caucasian is a subpart of the Indo-European language group, which incidentally includes Farse, the principal language of modern Iran. Since this knowledge is not part of the general education of people, we can all profit from this kind of training.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2022 2:01 PM

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I think that it should be!

Response by PO2 Chris Sabo made Feb 24 at 2022 11:07 AM

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This post is still here?! Um no, no teaching anyone anywhere that all people of one race or another are racist! The entire premise of critical race theory is racist in nature.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Feb 24 at 2022 8:49 PM

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I went down to the railroad tracks, CPT Jack never showed up.

Response by SGT Martha Marden made Feb 27 at 2022 5:38 PM

2022-02-27T17:38:02-05:00

No No Mo

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Feb 27 at 2022 9:57 PM

2022-02-27T21:57:33-05:00

How about we just teach people how to be Warriors and not Woke leftist crap.

Response by 2d Lt Gaile Bryant made Mar 3 at 2022 1:39 AM

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Yes.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 3 at 2022 9:45 AM

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As a retired member of active and reserves and 24 years as an educator in civilian life I have one question. What is the ultimate objective of teaching CRT? What is to be accomplished? Teaching the history of America is understandable . What is to be accomplished by shaming a person or requiring that person to answer for the inhumane acts committed centuries before they were even born. To do this is in itself racism. Keep in mind CRT is a Theory based on historical events. It attempts to describe those people who share race or cultural backgrounds with those who committed inhumane acts based on race or culture are predisposed to committing these same atrocities . This is not fact it is conjecture and attempts to extrapolate events to predict future behaviors based on genetics. Seems like an attempt to keep the conflict alive.

Response by Pvt Ross Webster made Mar 3 at 2022 1:28 PM

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Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Mar 5 at 2022 1:23 PM

2022-03-05T13:23:57-05:00

General Milley’s argument for reading that garbage is intellectually dishonest at best but more in line with feckless pandering. You don’t read black identity extremism to “understand white rage,” you read the “Turner Diaries.” It’s like studying Pinochet to understand Communism. Dumb and disingenuous, and just another example of the institutionalized elitism in the upper echelons putting them further out of touch with their subordinates and the country as a whole.

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Mar 12 at 2022 11:00 PM

2022-03-12T23:00:50-05:00

NO !! I found the military is the one place that most people of all races are treated the same for the most part
I am white and all my mentors where Black
I was very fortunate to have the people guide me in my military career
But all of us where old school Army Not what is out there today

Response by MSG Bill Carthan made Mar 18 at 2022 6:06 PM

2022-03-18T18:06:47-04:00

My suggestion, get a real factual definition of Critical Race Theory, and after you know what it is and is not you can then comment on the subject. History, is foundation of what Critical Race Theory is about. As for me, I really believe that 'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. ' It's history, so teach it.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Mar 29 at 2022 1:05 PM

2022-03-29T13:05:27-04:00

Why would you want to teach false history?

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Mar 29 at 2022 1:59 PM

2022-03-29T13:59:28-04:00

It was once taught in school as American History changing the title doesn't make it any different. I was taught all about this when I was in the 4th and 5th grade for the most part and more going all away through High School. We learn about Slavery and about the treatment of Native Americans. We were taught about voter's rights and lynching. African Americans were not the only people to be lynched. We all so learn about the treatment of the Irish and the coal mines and the Chinese and the American railways. Changing the "Title" doesn't make this all go away, it's called "Cover Up".

Response by SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA made Mar 31 at 2022 7:09 PM

2022-03-31T19:09:58-04:00

Do we teach any history in the Military other than Military History, and then Military History specific to your service, ie. I learned Marine Corps Military History. We studied Tuns Tavern and the birth of the Marine Corps, Fort Nassau 1776, Battle of Chapultepec 1847, Battle of Bellevue Wood 1918, Battle of Iwo Jima 1945, Chosin Reservoir 1950, et cetera. We don’t need to learn this politically motivated racist created propaganda they are trying to dispose of from grade schools, and parents are going head to head with school boards to get it out of the schools, while the schools claim CRT doesn’t exist. So, if it doesn’t exist, why do we want to interject it into our military curriculum.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Apr 13 at 2022 4:50 PM

2022-04-13T16:50:06-04:00

It's been a lot of years, but unless things are going backwards. the army was the least racist groups I've ever been in. Will you get made the butt of jokes based on your MOS or unit? Oh yeah, but at least in the units I served in racism was not tolerated. All we cared about was the person knowing their job and doing it. I hope this is still the case. My point is if things aren't broke don't try to fix them. I think we've kind of lost track of what the military really supposed to be. If there is racism in the ranks it definitely needs to get handled. On the other hand the military isn't a participation trophy type of job, and attempts to turn it into one should be removed like a cancer. All it takes is a quick look at what's happening in Ukraine to see how quickly one of the best militaries in world history can be turned into a useless gaggle. CRT should probably be looked at to see if it holds any value for the military. Since I only know what has been discussed about CRT on TV news I can't say I know enough to have an opinion.

Response by COL Jim Lincoln made Apr 19 at 2022 11:47 PM

2022-04-19T23:47:27-04:00

the basis for CRT starts with the rule that if you are white,you are a racist,were born that way and you CANT CHANGE IT. If you are black,you have been discriminated against your whole life by whites,who dominate as white supremacists. And systematic racism dominates all aspects of American life, Yes as a USMA grad,CRT concepts (all evade the issue by saying we teach no CRT classes) are taught there and all service academies,despite denial by the academies. All of this is consistent with the demanded culture changes,some call woke that is sweeping all level of America, and sharply dividing the country.

Response by SP5 Don Armstrong made Apr 22 at 2022 11:07 PM

2022-04-22T23:07:33-04:00

I grew up as a hated White Protestant in a White Irish Catholic neighborhood. A fellow Protestant was killed for being in the wrong place. One of my best friends growing up was a Black kid that was the son of my father's boss. I still remember my father and his father smiling as we spend time together laughing and enjoying life. That ended the day a group of Blacks in his neighborhood saw us together. They gathered surrounded us and they demanded to know what I was doing with him. He said "He is my best friend." The group of Black kids then started yelling at me FWMF. It was the first time in my life but not the last to be called that. They then told him "Blacks don't have White friends". The next week I saw him he had been beaten to a pulp by the Blacks and told "You will get worse if we see you with him". He was crying told me I could never see him.

Now in my basic training at Ft Gordon Ga in late 1966 we had so many troops in training that one half of my training company spent our entire time living in a groups of 12 tents with 24 troops per tent. My tent was 1/3 Black , 1/3 Puerto Ricans and 1/3 White. A lot of old wives tales went away real fast especially when one of the White guys hung like a horse was spotted by the Black guys. We had a lot of laughs.

I then did a year at Ft Bragg and I had several episodes of White Southerners getting drunk and trying to outright kill me. As one of the Black guys said "I ain't never seen hate like that." I pointed out that he could not control the fact that he was born Black but it was my fault that some Grand daddy of his was killed by Yankees and it was my fault as a Yankee that he was free.

In Nam I was a door gunner in the Central Highlands and at one bad LZ I spotted a guy that I had been in Basic with. He was now a medic and he and another Black medic were working as fast as they could because they had a lot of dead and wounded. We were flying race tracks between Enari , The Oasis . Kontum and Dak To then back to the Evac in Pleiku and the mortuary then start over. In Bound was Bags , Caps , Rats and Cherries and out bound was bags and bleeders. I tried as hard as I could to get everyone back alive. A couple weeks later I got to have a beer with both of the medics. As we sat there in Pleiku having our beer a Red Neck went after me for being a Yankee drinking with a Black. Again not the first time it happened. Several months later I had been transferred to a Cav unit in the Delta working with the 9th at Bear Cat and Then Dong Tam. At Dong Tam I got one chance to go to the EM club. It was divided by Blacks on one side and Whites on the other. In the middle was those that got along. The Black medic had also been transferred and he saw me and we did the DAP as we laughed. The nasty Blacks wanted to know why he did that with me and he talked about me trying to save everyone I could. They yelled at him "Whites don't do the DAP". Many of the Blacks still had nothing to do with me but some did change their attitude. At Bear Cat I hwas sent over to Long THan North for perimeter guard for a night. Four Blacks showed up assigned to my bunker. They proceded to start off with FWMF and it went downhill from there. The senior Black took first watch and I had the second. I woke up the next Black guy and he bitched at me. Just after I nodded off when I sensed something and I woke to someone in the door of the bunker. Everyone as asleep and I yelled. The other guys woke up and the Black guy that had watch after me claimed I never woke him up. Then they all went to sleep and I kept watch. The next morning we found out that 3 guys in two bunkers over were dead and had been killed by sappers. I just looked at the idiots that had been in my bunker and then went back to my unit.

After I left the service I worked in the Phone Company in Boston during the school bussing riots. We had 14 White guys and about 50 Black guys in that garage. I got along great with several of the Black guys that were also Nam Vets. One of the Black Guys that I worked with was the 2nd Black hired by the phone company and he and I got along great. He did not believe in the "brother" stuff. One day many of the Black guys wanted the day off because it was Crispus Attaucks day. A White foreman asked "Who is he" and got zero response. I spoke up and said "He was a Black Freeman that was killed in the Boston Massacre" Again it was silence and then one Black guy said "It's a sad statement of fact that the only person that knows Black history is a White guy.

So fast forward multiple years and I'm working in Voice , Data and Communications in technical support out an office in Northern Virginia doing things like the secure system at the White House , The International Monetary fund , The Russel Senate office building , most of the Fortune 500 companies and even a Submarine support vessel in a Loch in Scotland. If I was in the office and could take a break I would hit the bar at a TGI Fridays. One of the Black guys I worked with had worked together for years. We would get a beer and laugh about the things we had seen and done. The trouble was the super brothers in the office would walk into the bar and very loudly yell out at my buddy "Hey look it's Uncle Tom hanging with his White masters".

My opinion is CRT is BS. By the way interesting story from the BBC about slavery in Africa, Blacks capturing Blacks to be sold as slaves. It did not stop until 1955
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53444752

'My Nigerian great-grandfather sold slaves'

The legacies of colonial slave-traders are being reassessed, but what about the Africans who profited?

Response by MSG Jeremy Jiron made Apr 24 at 2022 11:55 PM

2022-04-24T23:55:37-04:00

I am 6 generations of Native American and Hispanic culture who has served this great nation in the armed forces. CRT has no place in the war fighting mindset of our military. It is a theory. It’s not policy, it’s an idea based on one sided opinions of a weak non serving non military person. The melting pot of America is the military. CRT is ripping the melting pot idea of the men and women of the military. It’s a socialist idea that needs to end with strong leaders saying enough is enough. It’s time to stand up to these “theories” because it doesn’t hone the edge of the warfighter, nor does it do anything for a family of all colors who wear one uniform under the red white and blue.

Response by PO1 Kathleen White made Apr 25 at 2022 12:37 PM

2022-04-25T12:37:20-04:00

It has to start somewhere... in early education! Doesn’t hurt as a refresher.
US Veteran

Response by SSG Diane Johnson made Apr 28 at 2022 6:13 PM

2022-04-28T18:13:32-04:00

I’m retired, grew up in the 50’s and thru the turbulent 60’s. I was fortunate, I never experienced racism until I was an adult. Some as a civilian but also while on active duty. I am an activist for what’s right. I think every human being needs to know where they came came. Then they can know where they’re going. I was the EOL for my unit. I taught an EO class. I have two ideas. Let’s have everyone have their blood drawn, place the vial in a big basket and see f you can pick out your blood. The other one is if we could all take our skin off like we do our clothes what would we look like, beside a bloody mess but the point being WE’RE ALL THE SAME. We are conceived the same, born the same, get the same diseases and die the same. So what’s the problem? Someone please tell me.

Response by SSG Diane Johnson made Apr 28 at 2022 6:26 PM

2022-04-28T18:26:33-04:00

I’m retired, grew up in the 50’s and through the turbulent 60’s. I was fortunate, I didn’t experience racism until I was an adult, as a civilian and especially the military. I was EO trained, I was the EOL for my unit. I taught an EO class. I’m an activist for what’s right. I think everyone should know who they are and where their ancestors came from, it’s really fun learning about other ethnicities and cultures. I have two ideas. 1. Let’s all have our blood drawn and place the vial in a big basket. Then see if anyone can pick their blood. 2. This one is messy, if we could take our skin off like we do our clothes what would we look like besides a bloody mess, We’d look the same, why because WE ARE ALL THE SAME. We are conceived the same way, we’re born the same way, we get the same diseases and we die the same. So what is the problem, someone please tell me? WHY DO YOU HATE someone because of the color of their skin, religious choice, their ethnicity, sexual orientation? I’d love to hear your answers.

Response by MSG Kenny Lane made May 6 at 2022 1:29 PM

2022-05-06T13:29:56-04:00

I served 34 ½ years and never considered RACE ir sex a issue. Do you job and therefore will won't have any issues. Don't do your job we got issues.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made May 6 at 2022 2:01 PM

2022-05-06T14:01:07-04:00

Shaming someone because of of inhumane practices committed by their ancestors seems counter productive to diversity. Inhumane practices are overwhelmingly present in human history and is present in every race, culture, heritage etc. we all live in glass houses.

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made May 15 at 2022 2:02 PM

2022-05-15T14:02:04-04:00

It is so amazing that white men who have never walked in the shoes of other men and women should know what it’s like to be another race or gender

Response by SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall made May 17 at 2022 2:01 PM

2022-05-17T14:01:39-04:00

Hell no!

Response by PO1 John Crafton made May 20 at 2022 10:43 AM

2022-05-20T10:43:24-04:00

If you're going for a related degree, like sociology, it makes sense to spend some time learning about this. It's no more valid than other ideas, and far less valid than many; however, the study of it has its merits.
That said, its core concepts and any forming from that core should remain exactly where they started. They have no place in leadership courses, and they should most certainly not be brought into regular military instruction.
As a thought experiment, it's fine. Unfortunately, it's being taken beyond that. Application of CRT concepts into things such as engineering, mathematics, electronics, etc. simply doesn't belong. I see CRT advocates bringing CRT concepts into general college instruction as a negative. Bringing it into military instruction is even worse.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made May 22 at 2022 12:13 PM

2022-05-22T12:13:42-04:00

Critical Race theory all boils down to is Actual American History... that is all it is... It's just that someone wanted to give it a label because they wanted to demonize America's Forward leaps and the fact that in order to move forward, America needs to learn from its past, and there are some who are not willing to let go of that past.. the Pre-Civil war past. It is also not a taught course, but a topic of discussion that was brought forth. There is always someone in a race that wants to push that they are the dominant race, and i am not just talking about the white race. I have seen it in different races, those people are the ones we should all be against, the ones with that "My Race is the Dominant Race" gene..

Response by 2LT Sal Mortillaro made May 22 at 2022 1:27 PM

2022-05-22T13:27:23-04:00

I think we’re good in the Marine Corps….

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made May 23 at 2022 3:57 PM

2022-05-23T15:57:32-04:00

NO NO NO. That General Milley is a Liberal POS. That Loyd Austin is another dumbass. The military’s job is to defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Our Military has enough shit on their plate let alone doing some worthless training about shit that doesn’t increase the security of our Country. If your in the Military and you support liberal ideologies, your in the wrong profession. Go become another Joe Biden. Lie Cheat, and steal. Don’t believe me go watch 2000 Mules. You want to bring your liberal bullshit my way, go try to fill your gas tank, or go to the fucking grocery store FIRST! Democrats and their liberal bullshit is just that liberal bullshit, and if you voted for Biden your a Dumbass too. Don’t blame me, I VOTED TRUMP!

Response by SSG Rick Miller made May 24 at 2022 12:17 PM

2022-05-24T12:17:32-04:00

No, I don't see how CRT would be relevant to war fighting capability. The military exists to fight and win our Country's wars. Period. It is not a SJW experimental lab, it is not a woke organization. I'm not saying CRT is a good or bad thing, it simply has no place in learning the arts of leadership or the art of war.

Response by MSgt Susan Colvin made May 24 at 2022 2:58 PM

2022-05-24T14:58:21-04:00

Do not teach CRT. It has numerous falicies and is taught in a way to make you response to the word white or whitish in a negative manner. I read a training document from Columbia university for educators to use. It was disturbing to say the least. Too long for me to explain in comments but I will highlight a few. Using the word white in a negative manner an average of 11 times per page of a 14 page document. Students have to accept theory as fact before having a real discussion on race. How the teachers are taught responses that would shut down any natural discussions about the theory. Like student isn't ready or capable of comprehending theory, etc. All worded in way that makes it hard to dispute and will stop student from further discussion. It assumes white people are all oppressors and minorities oppressive or victims but doesn't account for other senereo's like women or men privledge or rich priledge due to it going against the main theory of it only white people. It lumps peopleninto a category of a way of thinking. This can be offensive to some perple regardless of race or color. All white people have to accept theory in order to acheive success. This isnt the right training. I agree their is systemic racism and white privledge can exist but it can only exist when a person thinks that way and they extend priveldge onto another person. It's not natural. We are not born with it. Priveldge comes in many forms but CRT is directed only at white people. We should be teaching that we need to look at our bias or filters to make sure we are not using these when making decisions about personel or that affect personel. To challenge ourselves and our way of thinking. I do this all the time. How I resolve is by switching the race in any senereo. It's the easiest way to know for sure. We need to teach about systemic racism without labeling people today. That is only teaching more discrimination. I for one refuse to be told how I think. This doesnt stop me from questioning my actions, biases or filters I might view the world through. CRT has made this very difficult to improve from where we are today. Using the past to form assumptions today isn't the way forward.

Response by PO3 Thomas Melton made May 24 at 2022 9:43 PM

2022-05-24T21:43:53-04:00

NO!

Response by SP5 Dennis Peterson made May 25 at 2022 10:53 AM

2022-05-25T10:53:12-04:00

CRT is political, divisive and counter productive. It has no place in the military.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made May 25 at 2022 7:09 PM

2022-05-25T19:09:18-04:00

Why Not.?
Are We Short Of Politically Correct
Bull Shit Already?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2022 8:17 PM

2022-05-25T20:17:45-04:00

I wish individuals within this country would understand that the constant bickering of this amongst other racial injustice bullshit is actually hindering people I know and love (alongside myself) from living a good life. I've noticed a dramatic turn in attitudes when my wife and I applied for jobs because of the news and politics that quite frankly has no place in the private sector much less the military. I'm sick and tired of white people acting like saints supporting BLM, CRT, etc. when in reality they have never lived a day inside of my shoes and have no idea what we've been through. This isn't the solution. I am a hard working African American as is my wife and many of our friends have noticed that there is more racial discrimination now because of these people than before all based on employers being cautious to employ those who may cry wolf at every intersection. Hot take, but someone has to say it.

Response by CPL Marcellus Jordan made May 25 at 2022 8:37 PM

2022-05-25T20:37:54-04:00

I am neither for nor against it and personally don't understand why it is such a controversial topic at this point in time where we have so many other far more important issues at hand. That being said, as long as it teaches from a historical and factual truth based curriculum I don't see what the problem is? Is it that some don't desire to hear or know the truth? Or is it that some are afraid that once more are educated on the past that it will cause even more social issues due to a lack of understanding and Unnecessary finger pointing that later generations should NOT be held responsible for the indiscretions and or possible shortcomings of their predecessors? Either way the truth is just that, the truth and as long as it is based on that? "What is the real issue?"

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 25 at 2022 9:08 PM

2022-05-25T21:08:36-04:00

We should have honest discussions about our history as a nation to include race relations. However, CRT should not be the focal point to replace the totality of our history as a nation. CRT needs a context to describe what and why racism and discrimination existed and exits today. What is rarely mentioned is ideology often drives the train. Martin Luther King Jr hit the nail on its head in a 1963 I have a dream speech. I will paraphrase him. "100 years later the Negro still is not free." Sometimes changing ideology takes a long time and the evolution will never be 100%. Let the truth set everyone free. Unfortunately, CRT exists today, and I can give a very pronounced example, but I do not want this thread devolving into a political bashing one.

Response by MGySgt Samuel Steen made May 25 at 2022 11:37 PM

2022-05-25T23:37:56-04:00

No, all the crap does is divides us instead of uniting us. The has no place in the United States military nor in our schools because it’s complete garbage

Response by TSgt Richard McGaugh made May 26 at 2022 3:22 AM

2022-05-26T03:22:55-04:00

This has no place in the military. We must not even suggest any thing that compares individuals in any sort of groupings. We are still trying to clear out the mess we have already created with what cultures have instilled in our systems. There is no way that we can have people in basic training without
a previous life. We have to be taught to live with our fellow man. You can't expect to them to forget their past experience. In the few weeks they are in basic training, getting them to so thing together as a unit it hard enough. It a shame we have to train men to be able fight. This very fact is instilling the feeling of I am better than someone else. I am a retired Air Force NCO. I am proud pf the service and what I was able to gain from it. I also seen the things I did not like in my time. I guess when I look back on it, I set on a bobber throughout the 21 years I was in. I was assigned a noncombative field. It was an important field. Teletype Operator Direct duty assignment to OJT because I already typed. I worked in that for 16 years and rank was so in coming to I crossed trained to Telecom System Control. It was instilled in us that we were a cut above everyone. We were in control of the systems. I didn't think much about it until the last few years when I look back at what that did to me and how I responded to those instructions. It fed my ego until I was going to have to interact as controllers with a teletype operator. That is when something that was taught to me by my boss when I worked in a drive in cafe while in high school. I learned later that it was customer service. Every one you have to deal with in a job is a customer. Out side is one and the one in the company is in house customer. You are serving all. You treat all with respect and it will be returned.

Response by CPT Gary Thomas made May 26 at 2022 3:42 AM

2022-05-26T03:42:43-04:00

CRT is crap. No one born today is guilty of causing slavery or keeping minorities "in their place". But for too long, legally embedded race based discrimination is a sin that has been ignored, expanded and embraced by succeeding generations. It is a sin of our forefathers that should be attacked by each new generation. If we choose inaction or willful ignorance then the sins of our forefathers becomes our sin as well. The damage of the Tulsa riots pale in comparison to the damage done by redlining and other such discriminatory practices that prevented targeted minorities from building their fair share of individual wealth. The real history of legalized discrimination is what should be mandatory in all military leadership courses.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made May 26 at 2022 8:32 AM

2022-05-26T08:32:13-04:00

Dunno what u shud call teaching history and as a part of it discuss how race played a part in the particular period being studied.
It's only critical if it's... critical, IMO. In collich many yrs ago I was tipped to the acronym RIPES for the study of history:
R religious I intellectual P political E economic S social. Where was race critical to the composite of each?

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made May 26 at 2022 10:41 AM

2022-05-26T10:41:41-04:00

Of Course.
The gods Only Know We're Already Lacking An Adequate Supply Of This Politically Correct Bull S*it.!
Political Correctness Is No More Than People Feeding Each Other Multiple Lines Of Bull S*it And Walking Away With A Smile On Their Face... Who's Shi**'en Whom?

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made May 26 at 2022 11:22 AM

2022-05-26T11:22:29-04:00

Absolutely NOT. CRT is nothing more than an indoctrination in racism falsely labeled as a class. It serves no logical purpose, it's not needed in the military and definitely not needed in public schools where it makes kids feel bad about themselves. CRT is a bad dangerous joke that no one should be a victim of.

Response by SFC Jacquelyn Taylor made May 26 at 2022 11:32 AM

2022-05-26T11:32:26-04:00

I say "YES". My reasoning goes back to my first active duty assignment in Yongsan, Korea in late 1972. As a court-reporter, my duties caused some exemption from normal tasks for lower enlisted, such as KP duties, but there was a discussion about CQ duties. While that discussion was going on, a caucasian E-6 says to me. Pvt Taylor, do you want to know how we discriminate in assigning these duties to soldiers without anyone actually noticing? I asked "how?" He explains that it's by the name, and he began to say names like, Smith, White, Black, Jones, etc, would normally cover blacks although it may not exclude all whites. He proceeded to tell me that the names ending in "..gues or ...opez, mostly names ending in ..ez' would be Hispanic, he indicated the "...ski" was indicative of Polish and further gave me a breakdown for Jews, Germans, etc. I must say, this was a surprise that he was even telling me, but it was more for the reason, "...and there's nothing you can do about it." I believed that this was also the means by which promotions would be granted or school attendance picks. In addition, within two months in Korea, while having lunch at the Yongsan Crossroads NCO Club, a little Korean and white mixed kid abound 4 years old was walking around the tables and when he came to me, I politely said "Hi, little one" and his response was to shout "Nigger" and point. I proceeded to chase that kid, but he reached his mother and I told her that that was wrong and that I would report her husband -- and none of the whites in charge cared. Where and how does a little half/Korean kid learn such words and when to apply it? Finally, just recently, it was on the news in Savannah, GA that a soldier from Ft Stewart harassed a black couple walking in his off-base neighborhood, asking them why were they there and that they didn't belong in that neighborhood. This is 2021, and this question is asked??? It's right up there with how to stop bad police officers from killing minorities indiscriminately; now that that fact can't be denied. Floyd was just visible, but the cries, pain and these types of actions have been going on for YEARS! Can someone ask the question, "Why don't you hear the cries and help to stop them?" I guess denial is always the first stage, so I should say, please ask more questions about this, to learn and to help end mass discrimination. Oh yeah, I'm a black female.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made May 26 at 2022 2:47 PM

2022-05-26T14:47:08-04:00

You should be teaching your troops three things , how to shoot , how to scoot and how to communicate that what they need to survive , the rest is just political bullshit and at this point in time is designed to turn the force into a social welfare establishment , not a war fighting and winning organization.

Response by PFC Steve Colonna made May 26 at 2022 3:00 PM

2022-05-26T15:00:34-04:00

I wouldn't normally respond to such a long dead thread, strangely however, I was sent a link to it only 11 hours ago. The short answer is NO. No we should not. It's illogical, counter-intuitive and divisive.

Response by PFC Steve Colonna made May 26 at 2022 3:25 PM

2022-05-26T15:25:32-04:00

No.

Response by CPO Dave Churchya made May 26 at 2022 5:33 PM

2022-05-26T17:33:03-04:00

CRT is a tool of the fascist LEFT to encourage greater racial division and antagonize as many people as possible to further destabilize America. It's just another tool they use along with abortion, anti 1A/2a, anti-law & order, and constant supporting PROPAGANDA from the LEFT-owned mainstream media. The LEFT is creating the same conditions that turned VENEZUELA into a Dictatorship, via socialism. If you want to further empower the lowest lifeforms in America keep supporting the LEFT, Dems, and RINO's. Otherwise, pay attention to the activity of criminal scum politicians and unelected officials in DC and locally to see how they are persistently taking steps to destroy American freedom.

Response by Capt Ken Bergeron made May 26 at 2022 5:51 PM

2022-05-26T17:51:08-04:00

CRT is a construct of the right. I believe that it is used to justify systemic racism. In the mid 19th century we legislated slaves as 3/5th of a person. Today we see all people as equal, or we say that all are equal. I think that we are doing better as a nation but we need to keep trying.

Response by SPC Terry Martin made May 26 at 2022 6:05 PM

2022-05-26T18:05:57-04:00

Absolutely NOT. Talk about misinformation. We are all created equally.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 27 at 2022 11:36 AM

2022-05-27T11:36:03-04:00

No. By its name, CRT is a theory which, if you abide by military regs and leadership principles has no practical application in the military. We all became equal when we had our hair shaved off or reported to basic training.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2022 3:41 PM

2022-05-27T15:41:53-04:00

CRT does not belong in our military. I came in the military in the early 1980s and still serving. I remember when I saw Confederate flags in the barracks and the reasons was due to Southern Pride and the Dukes of Hazzard. The Marines I served with (I been in the Army for most of my career), that cherished a Confederate flag will back up in Marine of any color and stripe. In 1990, I was involved in a racial fight at the e-club at Quantico between Black and Hispanic Marines; so the notion that racism only goes from whites to minorities is a fallacy. I had Black Marines called me wetback and I told them I was Puerto Rican from Spanish Harlem and they jumped me anyway because I was dancing with a black woman. And being from Spanish Harlem and the South Bronx, racial slurs were common but did not mean that person was racist. That was the culture. I went to a nearly all Black HS in Harlem and again, no problem back then and no concern of white supremacy (which was called White Nationalism back then). I remember in the 1980s, when blacks said they were going down to Time Square to rob some whites (that activity will heavily be attempted to be censored in our news organizations now and days. What I see now in our military is a political party that currently holds the majority in Congress, Hollywood and our education institutions using CRT and Extremism to align with left-wing ideology and if you do not now tow that line, you may be ostracized for doing so. I believe anything that has a political agenda to it should not be a part of our military culture. We are simply warriors that serve to defend our Constitution and to be apolitical. If anything, bring back civics and to study the Constitution as our instruction.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made May 27 at 2022 8:36 PM

2022-05-27T20:36:56-04:00

Not just no, but HELL NO! I'll qualify that by saying I have a PhD in Sociology. I was trained as a research scientist at with a concentration in social theory. CRT is not a testable "theory" it is propoganda derived from the musings of a psychologist name Sue.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2022 11:22 PM

2022-05-27T23:22:53-04:00

I thought we where all green

Response by 1LT Jack McDavid made May 28 at 2022 10:47 AM

2022-05-28T10:47:40-04:00

No. It's just a leftist scam to allow radical leftist instructors to our service members' young minds and brainwash and divide our military, literally, into armed camps; to get them all angry at each other and lose focus on why they serve there in the first place.

Response by SSG John Munro made May 28 at 2022 11:49 AM

2022-05-28T11:49:11-04:00

Uh No. Just because homosexuals want to toss out our constitution and force Socialism. Hating your neighbor for skin shade is satanic. God is Love. not to say he allows any thing .. There is A judgment. We will all face. Treat others the way we would like to be treated. The golden rule. Christian belief also tells us to not to hate our enemies but love them. In times of need feed your enemies. The 1st man and women disobeyed God and ate the forbiden fruit. We are all born sinners as a result. Jesus Gods only son was born into this world to live a perfect life and offer us forgiveness of our sins. So one day we may be able to live in pece with God foprever.

Response by SP5 Milton Ragsdale made May 28 at 2022 5:25 PM

2022-05-28T17:25:45-04:00

Political indoctrination has no place in a free nation, especially when it has no basis in facts.

Response by LTC Jorge Cordero made May 28 at 2022 7:02 PM

2022-05-28T19:02:03-04:00

I truly wish that they would stop calling it "critical race theory" first of all it is NOT being taught in American class rooms, second of all, call it by it's proper name American History. Why is it that we learned about the "Bataan Death March" but not about the "Trial of Tears"? Why is it that we learned about massacres in other countries but not about the 1921 Tulsa Oklahoma Race Massacre? Why is it that we learned what was done to the Jews, but not that Puerto Ricans were radiated and actually given cancer to study the effects? I'm an American and served my country for over 30 years in uniform and yes I am ashamed of some of the atrocities this country is guilty of, but have no problem showing the world that we can rise above it by showing the world we are willing to admit it and teach it so it doesn't happen again.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2022 12:20 AM

2022-05-29T00:20:55-04:00

TL;DR: It's divisive & counter-productive.

No, and because it IS based on Marxism. For those that clamor it is NOT, here's this from Discovery.org, "While European Marxism focused on class, a distinctly American brand of Marxism was brought to America in 1937 by scholars from the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany, known commonly as the Frankfurt School, who left Nazi Germany to escape the Third Reich. They eventually landed in New York where they setup shop at the Columbia University Teachers’ College. While most of the Frankfurt scholars returned to Germany after the defeat of the Nazis, Herbert Marcuse stayed behind and became one of the leading spokesmen of Critical Theory (on which CRT is based) during the massive upheavals of the 1960s and early 1970s caused by riots and violence associated with the Civil Rights and anti-Vietnam movements. The focus shifted specifically to oppressed ethnic, racial, and gender groups."

However, the most telling aspect of it is this, " CRT argues that America’s legal, economic, and political systems are inextricably racist. It argues that racism advances only the interests of white elites materially and working-class whites mentally. CRT Chooses race-consciousness over the Enlightenment view of colorblindness as a societal norm. Since all whites benefit from an unearned advantage, race-consciousness remedies rectify this inherent injustice. CRT criticizes the civil-rights movement and the liberal ideology it promotes. The view is civil rights laws are limited to isolated discriminatory acts by individuals or businesses, when in fact discrimination continues to be both pervasive and systemic. CRT rejects the principle of equal opportunity, believing it to be a myth, and rejects conceptions of “merit” since only those in power determine what is equal or what has merit. Finally, CRT promotes equality of results instead of equality of opportunity."

https://www.discovery.org/education/2021/08/05/critical-race-theory-the-marxist-trojan-horse/

Critical Race Theory – The Marxist Trojan Horse

I think parents finally understand why so many of their children who go off to college full of hope leave those institutions with a disdain for America and our capitalist system.

Response by SN William Culotta made May 29 at 2022 10:07 AM

2022-05-29T10:07:25-04:00

Absolutely, this country is going to hell and the seditionist Trump-A-Fants would like to an Autocracy rather than a Democracy! It continues with this white privilege's thing! Every week there are warnings and we better get our act together. I have been around that block before, helping Blacks register to vote in the Carolina's in the 1960's and feel more radical (peacefully) than when I was protesting the Vietnam War. I protested before I went to Nam and after. Tomorrow I will be volunteering to help in a Memorial to Vets event and will still be looked at as a left over hippie. I have no problem with that as I speak my piece! If I were a Black person in the military I would be very angry at what is going on! Enough Ranting I have to rest for my day tomorrow. Have a thoughtful Memorial Day. Bill Culotta PNSN (Radar) so to speak!

Response by PO2 Chris Christiansen made May 29 at 2022 11:50 PM

2022-05-29T23:50:54-04:00

we should not be teaching CRT anywhere, if you teach history as it is written you can explain the good and the bad of history and teach what not to go forward with. CRT focus' on just the bad and tends to repeat it, as if that is the correct way

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made May 30 at 2022 2:57 AM

2022-05-30T02:57:07-04:00

Facts should always be taught. CRT, basically, promotes factual history vs the more typical situation where the "winners" write the history. Many aspects of our history are not very pleasant but white washing (no pun intended) that history so we feel better is not a viable path to follow. The Army has to face it's history and , most importantly, learn from it how to move forward without repeating mistakes from the past.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made May 30 at 2022 6:15 PM

2022-05-30T18:15:25-04:00

Absolutely not. The whole concept of critical race theory is racist and should not be tolerated or taught anywhere. All this does is cause disent between the races.

Response by Cpl Brian Escobar made May 31 at 2022 12:57 AM

2022-05-31T00:57:05-04:00

Absolutely Not! CRT was developed by Leftists and Marxist who's only design is to set this diverse and free nation against one another...It has no place in our public or private educational system let alone our military academies....it will divide and conquer and allow our enemies to simply roll in through the aftermath rubble and plant their flags...although it may be already too late, many blue states like California are teaching this garbage as early as 2nd grade!

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made May 31 at 2022 10:34 AM

2022-05-31T10:34:34-04:00

No....period.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made May 31 at 2022 6:59 PM

2022-05-31T18:59:04-04:00

How about this... wearing my uniform, didn't mean shit of we don't fight for the same thing. What happens outside of uniform is not the way we're taught and trained for. We all bleed red, no matter if you're gay, black or unknown growing cell. Democrats can't answer the simplest questions let alone define critical anything. We're not fighting amongst ourselves, groups are fighting because they don't know better.
Cain killed Able weigh a rock... they were brothers!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2022 8:14 PM

2022-05-31T20:14:20-04:00

You guys are scared of Marxism and praising MLK in the same sentence and that shows me y’all don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

And stop trying to quote MLK as well, he was one of the most hated individuals at the time and folks saw to it that he was silenced. Or did we forget what happened to him

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made May 31 at 2022 10:35 PM

2022-05-31T22:35:30-04:00

Absolutely NOT!
Critical Race Theory, only teaches are students , and service Members to Hate each Other By Skin Color.
Why, do I say This?
it Simple Really, Critical Race Theory Does not teach you to judge a man or women by the Content of there Character! they are Openly Lying to the American people! about American History.

The Left Hates The United States Military, because we have little to no Bigotry, Racism, we do have a small problem with sexism and rape, a Problem we really need to Stomp Out. but it not as big as the News Media makes it out to be, but one sexual assault, one rape is one to many, for the last 50 Plus years Sexism, Bigotry, Racism has been driven out of the military service by Approximately 99.9%, when it found it is not Tolerated! because the Military Service, is all About Trust!, Team Work, Being able to do your Job, and having your fellow Service Members Back, but TRUST IS MOST IMPORTANT !

I Have to Know, that you know your Job, and the Job below you and above you, and I have to trust you have My Back! in the Field, at Work, at play, out on the Job during a search and rescue, at home when a fellow ship mate or service member had to much to drink, when you have car trouble, etc, we do everything in are power to get them home safely, Why, Because we always have each others back, not just in Combat, everywhere, we all know we always can depend on each other. Sadly the only thing Critical Race Theory will do is divide, destroy the Trust and Bond that has been built ! Critical Race Theory will destroy Camaraderie, Destroy a natural Bond, Destroy a Natural unity among fellow service members that does not exist in the Civilian world.

Critical Race Theory will Destroys this bond, this unity, it does this by openly LYING and CLAMMING ALL WHITES ARE BORN Bigoted, Sexist, Racist, Because whites are SMARTER, MORE INTELLIGENT, THEREFORE, it Just Natural that WE ARE BORN Bigoted, SEXIST, RACIST, It Just Natural ALL MINORITIES ARE BORN LESS INTELLIGENT, THEREFORE ARE INCAPABLE OF SUCCESS WITHOUT GOVERMENT HELP!
This is what they teach and they are calling me
THE BIGOTED RACIST SEXIST?

THEN they GO on to SAY ALL MINORTYS ARE INCAPABLE OF SUCCESS WITH OUT GOVERMENT HELP? EXAMPLE THE LEFT SCREMS THAT REQUING a ID to VOTE IS BIGOTED, And RACIST. WHY? BECAUSE ACCORDING TO PROGRESSIVE ,WHITE, LIBERALS, MINORITIES ARE INCAPABLE OF FINDING AND GETTING A STATE ID FROM THE LOCAL (DMV) Department of Motor Vehicles. this is the Goal of the Left destroy, Divide, in order to get or Seize the American citizen rights, freedoms, get political power, wealth for themselves and there party's I My self do not Believe the Open Lies That The Elected official are Pushing with there Critical Race Theory, I believe it is all lies! I Believe the Organization that is pushing and teaching Critical Race Theory is the Bigots, Sexist, Racist, Individuals, they are the Greatest Threat to America National security!

l Believe every single American Citizen is perfectly Capable of finding and getting a State ID, unless they have a Mental disorder. I do not Believe any Minority's is Incapable of doing anything they set there minds to. it not Conservatives who are the Bigoted Racist! I know this because we believe in and want to Protect the Declaration of Independence, United States Constitution, Bill Of Rights.

I can Sum Critical Race Theory up in one Paragraph, and one Quote ,
I Believe in the Words of the Declaration Of Independence, United States Constitution & The Bill Of Rights.

the Declaration Of Independence, it Famously Declares that " All Men Are Created Equal"
Critical Race Theory , says the exact Opposite!

Critical Race Theory teaches the exact opposite! and Destroys unit and Military readiness in a nutshell!

Every military member Should be Required to read, Understand, the Articles of CONFEDERATION, Declaration Of Independence, United States Constitution, Bill Of Rights and should be able to answer the Five (W) The Who, What, When, Where, and Why?
the same Question should be required for the Federalist anti Federalist Papers
along with the Articles of CONFEDERATION , we should understand why we Abandon the Articles of Confederation, for the United States Constitution, and the Bill Of Rights.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Jun 1 at 2022 12:59 AM

2022-06-01T00:59:50-04:00

I am totally against teaching crt to anyone, my blood is red.

Response by PO1 David Wommer made Jun 1 at 2022 12:30 PM

2022-06-01T12:30:44-04:00

LMFAO

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Jun 1 at 2022 10:35 PM

2022-06-01T22:35:18-04:00

Not only no, but hell no!

Response by SP5 William Revis made Jun 3 at 2022 2:59 PM

2022-06-03T14:59:35-04:00

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal," The first line of the second paragraph of the US Declaration of Independence. I firmly believe that is all we should teach. Anything else just adds to unneeded divisions in our society, and our Country.

Response by MSG Darren Gaddy made Jun 3 at 2022 3:25 PM

2022-06-03T15:25:27-04:00

The idea behind CRT is that systematic racism is built into laws, certain critical systems, social institutions, courts, housing etc. This explains why racism can exist even still without race really being present. Some of the people who are against it, feel like they are being called the system or are directly being pointed at, which isn’t necessarily true. They are unable to separate the two and likely believe that the US is now an equitable Democracy, which many know and believe simply isn’t true. No one is saying that people living today are responsible for how their ancestors were in the past, but that they have a responsibility to do something about it now and not just ignore the inequities that still exist. We all see it in the news every day. Overt racism is almost easier to deal with than ambiguous racism since it’s a known fact. Ignorance cannot be an excuse, it’s been that way too long. If you bury it or allow it to not be talked about it doesn’t go away. Teaching, gives the future leaders tools and information to try to balance or right some of the injustices built into the systems of governance. Just my opinion.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jun 5 at 2022 12:17 PM

2022-06-05T12:17:52-04:00

No decent German asks this kind of question. A Black friend posted this: For Wypipo whining: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/30/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-white-people-about-race

Why I’m no longer talking to white people about race

The long read: For years, racism has been defined by the violence of far-right extremists, but a more insidious kind of prejudice can be found where many least expect it – at the heart of respectable society

Response by SSG Craig Thompson made Jun 21 at 2022 12:16 PM

2022-06-21T12:16:06-04:00

As long as it is “taught” rather than “indoctrinated”. Education is just that. Learning about something, not forced to agree with it. Besides, military leaders need to know what’s going on in society just like everyone else.

Response by SGT Jim Giffin made Jun 22 at 2022 11:39 AM

2022-06-22T11:39:03-04:00

I would say they need to stay away from off post housing until they get on post housing up to code.

Response by MAJ Jim Melanson made Jun 28 at 2022 7:07 PM

2022-06-28T19:07:06-04:00

Yes we should teach CRT. We should also teach democracy, marxism, freudian psychology, post-modern philosophy, Austrian economics, etc. The important thing is that our military students learn how to think, not what to think. Teaching a particular theory or philosophy is completely different than declaring that particular philosophy as doctrine .

Response by CW4 Wayne Walusiak made Jul 6 at 2022 8:42 PM

2022-07-06T20:42:21-04:00

There is no room for encouraging ANY race related 'education' in the Military. In the past, there has been adequate addressing of racial issues in addition to all the other civilian 'social issues'. The military is in existence for ONE thing - to protect the nation. The military is ALL volunteer, reasonably well paid, and not meant to be a testing ground for society's 'social cause of the day'.
In the past we have - as a group - weathered the misfortunes of radical societal issues. With the current administration the past policies have been tossed aside and now they attempt to mirror the military to THEIR idea of society. Most of the young people I know are not planning to reup at a time when countries like china are becoming a real threat. As we degrade OUR military with these issues, their superiority over us has increased several fold already due to this degradation. Those enemies are LAUGHING at us.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2022 1:57 AM

2022-08-14T01:57:59-04:00

100% NO Its racists It will put soldier against soldier and its marxist ideology
I should of responded to this sooner

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Aug 14 at 2022 10:10 PM

2022-08-14T22:10:41-04:00

It’s convenient for people to sit back and decide what FACTS of historical events should be taught, as to not offend “their” feelings … because of uncomfortableness and feeling offended.

Both the audacity and pride.

The little-known mass hanging of black soldiers in Texas in 1917
Mildred Europa Taylor March 22, 2019 at 06:22 am

SOURCE :

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/the-little-known-mass-hanging-of-black-soldiers-in-texas-in-1917

A lynching kept out of sight

Pvt. Felix Hall died in the only known murder of its kind on a U.S. military base. How hard did the government try to find his killers?

Story by Alexa Mills
Published on September 2, 2016

SOURCE :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/09/02/the-story-of-the-only-known-lynching-on-a-u-s-military-base/

Remembering the black soldiers executed after Houston's 1917 race riot
February 01, 2018 · 4:00 PM EST
By James Jeffrey

SOURCE :

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-01/remembering-black-soldiers-executed-after-houstons-1917-race-riot

*** Lynching has ALWAYS been a special message sent.

CENTER FOR CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS: LYNCHING POSTCARDS OF INHUMANITY EXHIBIT: JANUARY, 2011

https://kathmanduk2.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/center-for-civil-and-human-rights-lynching-postcards-of-inhumanity-exhibit-january-2011/

NSFW: AMERICAN TERRORISM … LYNCHING POSTCARDS : In
the past century on American soil – the estimated 3,436 lynchings of black American men and women between 1882 and 1950

https://cvltnation.com/nsfw-american-terrorism-lynching-postcards/

http://www.cvltnation.com/nsfw-american-terrorism-lynching-postcards/

https://www.amazon.com/Without-Sanctuary-Lynching-Photography-America/dp/ [login to see]

http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/lynching?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=lynching

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/2001/06/lynching/page1.shtml

*** see her smiling as she looks at him hanging, that’s the same “look” the lie of calling FACTS {Critical Race Theory}.

That’s what “You Will Not Replace Us” actually looks like in action.

This conversation to deny FACTS for pride and lack of both respect and integrity.

The little-known mass hanging of black soldiers in Texas in 1917

The little-known mass hanging of black soldiers in Texas in 1917.Thirteen black soldiers were secretly hanged at dawn at a military camp outside San Antonio

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2022 12:29 AM

2022-08-15T00:29:09-04:00

I would suggest teaching the Declaration, Constitution and Bill of Rights. I would then follow up with several courses on Values, Principles and Ethics. CRT becomes moot if all of that is truly understood.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Aug 21 at 2022 11:17 AM

2022-08-21T11:17:18-04:00

No; and fire the stupid people who came up with this asinine idea.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2022 5:45 AM

2022-09-12T05:45:10-04:00

CRT, Woke, BLM, the Alphabet... cult are all a bunch FUBAR BS. MLK said it clear and simple. "Judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin" Of course we might change man to person.

Response by SP5 Richard Barton made Sep 17 at 2022 9:38 PM

2022-09-17T21:38:23-04:00

DRT is a lie. If you take anyone and put them in a field about 50 yards away at twilight just as the sun sets, you'll know it's a man or woman. Race is not distinguishable. When I get asked my race, I say I'm an Adamite. Not o single person who is living or has ever lived can't trace his roots back to Adam. We're all Adamites. Racist assholes make race an issue. I will not fall into their trap and deception.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Sep 26 at 2022 4:05 PM

2022-09-26T16:05:59-04:00

I served during the turbulent 60's when racial problems were everywhere. Stopping it and reducing the hostility levels was accomplished thru actual leadership, not management. I knew senior PO's that treated people differently after dividing them by colors and their problems never ended.
Treating everyone equally and ignoring anything beyond their performance was the key. Talking about racial equality detracts from what the militaries mission is. You are better off teaching leadership and make that a continuing effort!

Response by SCPO Robert F. made Sep 29 at 2022 10:27 PM

2022-09-29T22:27:24-04:00

Just teach know history, not a bias history

Response by PO3 Bernadette Hitch made Sep 30 at 2022 2:15 PM

2022-09-30T14:15:46-04:00

On the University level, absolutely. Not high school level like some people say is happening. It is not and has not. CRT shows how laws, social and political movements, and media shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity. Watch the documentary 13th. That describes it in depth without me trying to put it all here. If you watch 13th and dispute it, all the facts in that documentary are provable. If you don’t want to watch, then you can’t really dispute it exists. Teaching something that is provable is never a bad thing. Ignoring and not wanting to learn is a problem in this country. Ignoring history, however uncomfortable, opens the door to allow it to happen again.

Response by LCpl Troy Gwyn made Oct 2 at 2022 6:01 AM

2022-10-02T06:01:00-04:00

Yes. Both Sun Tzu and Clausewitz stressed the concept of knowing your enemy AND knowing yourself.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Oct 2 at 2022 11:21 AM

2022-10-02T11:21:52-04:00

As a father of a West Point Cadet, there is no reason that CRT should be taught with the long tradition that West Point has, plus their workload is immense.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2022 2:06 PM

2022-10-02T14:06:41-04:00

We should teach history as it has occurred. Now, that will always involves viewing the past through the lens of today. That lens will always cast some distortions. It’s inevitable; nevertheless, we should try to come as close to objective truth as possible. Critical Race Theory (CRT) doesn’t actually belong to the domain of history, but it is a sociological theory that deliberately distorts history; furthermore, it relies on a sense of biological determinism that is the opposite of judging people on the content of their character. As much as it’s proponents deny it, CRT pushes the idea that whites are genetically programmed for a certain degree of malevolence - something which can only be countered by keeping them in a perpetual state of guilt (not for anything they did - but just for being white - and therefore inherently bad) and self-hatred. On the other hand, CRT pushes the notion that when people of color - morally superior to whites by virtue of their genetics - do bad things, it’s not their fault. Their bad behavior is the result of sociological factors, i.e. being oppressed by whites.

Real history shows us that blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and Indigenous peoples have had a rough time of it in this country. This has been to widely varying degrees. It also reveals that MUCH has been done to rectify the wrongs of the past, and that whites have always been heavily involved in making things better and more fair for their non-white brethren. Let’s look at a significant example: About 600,000 white men died during the Civil War in a cause which started out as simply preserving the Union, but then morphed to include ending the enslavement of black people in this country. Were those men, who gave the full and final measure to end the bonds of people they would never know, inherently racist?

Consider another aspect of this. I’m currently researching the history of Africa - specifically, West Africa. Every West African tribe engaged in slavery - both for export and for domestic consumption. This practice predated foreign involvement, which started with Arab slave traders. In fact, the Europeans - first the Portuguese, then the Spanish, Dutch, French, and English - inherited a well-developed slave “industry” established by Africans and Arabs centuries before Europeans became involved in it.

How does this apply to CRT? The point is, history is full of villains and saints, and things like race and religion don’t seem to have much to do with it. All people have the capacity for good and evil actions. It seems that we do all have a propensity for exploiting others for our own advantage. The human soul transcends the circumstances in which it finds itself - for better or worse. What’s amazing is that we in this country have expended and enormous amount of energy and resources to swim upstream against the tide of exploitation. We have made things better - for tens of millions of people, both at home and abroad.

At its core, CRT is Marxist and deterministic. It is divisive. It is meant to be. I spent many, many years in the Army, where we all worse the same uniform, where we all had the same mission, where we all faced similar challenges and enjoyed similar opportunities and benefits. The idea was to minimize our differences, and to maximize our shared humanity. CRT is diametrically opposed to those ideals.

Response by SFC Laura Mincey made Oct 4 at 2022 1:13 PM

2022-10-04T13:13:58-04:00

history should be taught the goid and the bad. I am white, I feel no guilt over anything whites in the past or now did or do, Its their guilt not mine. If some people of color hate me or are angry at me cause of what ither whites did, thenvso be it, the majority are mot, and understand that not all whites are guilty in the past or now. It is history past and present. Uglier in the past but racism still exist, systemic racism still exist and there is still white privelege, the good ole boys white club still exist and under trump it became very in your face that it is alive anscwell, it catered to andcdtill does to aryan nation militias, white supremacy groups, and the rich white elite. these sre facts, these are current history, to bury, rewrite or ignore past wrongs will doom all of us as a nation to fail to grow past it and only to continue to repeat it. It is not “critical race theory” It IS HISTORY the UGLY history. You can just “ehitewash”it and pretend all was and is golden and no wrongs occurred. That would be s lie!!

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Oct 15 at 2022 7:35 PM

2022-10-15T19:35:27-04:00

Critical Race Theory is a misguided ideology. It doesn't take into account that we're all human and seeks to separate us based on superficial differences. As such the theory threatens to destroy the strength we have in unity.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2022 11:33 PM

2022-10-16T23:33:16-04:00

Interesting question to ask. I see that it sparked some... passionate discussion.

Response by PO3 JamiSue Moore made Oct 23 at 2022 2:40 PM

2022-10-23T14:40:36-04:00

CRT is a course designed FOR and taught IN law school about how laws and the justice system is designed to be unbiased but is full of bias, BOTH ethnicity and class.
CRT IS NOT ABOUT SLAVERY OF ANY TYPE.
THIS is WHY taking something out of context and trying to apply it DOES NOT WORK and is just plain stupidity.
Example:
Casandra Brené Brown is a PROFESSOR who has a show on Netflix regarding her perspective about shame. In the show, she references 'The Man in the Arena' as an argument for her POV.
The problem:
'The Man in the Arena' is an excerpt of a speech that Theodore Roosevelt gave in France during a world tour in which he is actually shaming the French for allowing their birth rate decline.
MY OPINION:
YES, the ACTUAL CRT class would be beneficial to the military in understanding how ethnicity and class bias happens in a system that shouldn't have it, and the military should not have it yet it does in fact exist.

Response by 1stSgt Ronald Sheps made Oct 25 at 2022 8:33 PM

2022-10-25T20:33:57-04:00

CRT is a specific view of history through a lens not normally assigned to it. In addition to reporting what occurred 200 years ago, we now add a value judgement on those actions based on the perceived value system of today. Yes. Owning people, randomly slaughtering people, persecuting people is bad, thank you for reminding me. But, the military tradition is one of being merit based and color blind, and that began long before it became popular and even trendy like today. I vote no.

Response by CPT Robert Huddleston made Oct 25 at 2022 9:43 PM

2022-10-25T21:43:32-04:00

Simply put, No! Furthermore, the upper echelon, those who are pushing it, should do I the right and honorable thing and resign immediately.

Response by MSG Paul L made Oct 26 at 2022 6:17 PM

2022-10-26T18:17:02-04:00

CRT is just another way to divide us.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Oct 27 at 2022 12:05 AM

2022-10-27T00:05:31-04:00

We should teach HISTORY as it actually occurred per good & credentialed historians. Let the chips fall where they may.

Response by SFC John Renkiewicz made Oct 27 at 2022 7:10 PM

2022-10-27T19:10:39-04:00

I’m not sure what the bastardized definition of critical race theory is but the actual definition is used in parsing information from literature, is usually taught in universities, and has little to do with racism. If we are trying to be aware of issues of race then those issues should be addressed with reasonable solutions however, all this banter regarding CRT is generally uninformed, misguided, and irresponsible.

Response by PO1 Roger Stroklund made Nov 18 at 2022 9:51 PM

2022-11-18T21:51:39-05:00

CRT is just the application of Critical Theory to race. All that critical theory does is say, "Do you want to know the history of an issue in America? Then study the history of how the two opposing forces interacted with each other." Put another way, Critical Theory is a fancy way of reminding yourself that there's two sides to a story, and CRT says that, if you want to understand the history of race in the US, then you need both stories; Robert Lee and Robert Smalls.

So, should we teach CRT to military leadership? Why would we want our military leaders to better understand the impact that history has had on the development and experiences of their troops, as well as how those experiences could impact how their troops interact with each other? What, are we trying to make sure our military remains the most effective, most professional, and most adaptable military in human history?

Oh, wait; we are? Oh, then by all means; teach Critical Theory, CRT, and let's throw in Intersectionality while we're at it.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Nov 28 at 2022 11:09 PM

2022-11-28T23:09:21-05:00

Knowing the past/history is one thing, teaching a Course that keeps hatred going is Bull Crap. A Few of us from Nam ended together when it Shut Down. We were Brothers, you mess with one, you made a very bad mistake. Well, The Prejudice of Black against Black that don't Tow the "Rev Sharpton, Rangel Line is something I experienced as a kid in Hubbard Jr High, Plainfield NJ. Willi was from Alabama, he hung with us just like in Nam, he had some friends amongst the Blacks but Most hated him as an "Uncle Tom". The four of us did just about everything together, best part was He became Battalion Race Relations NCO.
Back then they were doing "Race Sensitivity Training", 8 hours of a Black Panther calling us "Whitey's", Crackers and such, sure did a lot toward race Relations.
Just be yourself, some folks will like you, some wont, that's life, if someone is a jerk they are a Jerk no matter the Race. Move on from looking for things that could be made to look offensive, life's too short!

Response by Cpl Deborah Rhea made Nov 30 at 2022 9:16 PM

2022-11-30T21:16:09-05:00

Absolutely, NO! Teaching or pressuring or even supporting dividing people by race, color and creed has been fight since the beginning of the Republic for which were stand. Critical race theory reverts that principle back over 200 years. Our soldiers are elite and should act as such not coerced into belittling fellow soldiers by representing that one race, color or creed is superior it inferior. Honor and respect for all is a creed soldiers have historically been known for.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Dec 4 at 2022 8:28 AM

2022-12-04T08:28:17-05:00

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 24 at 2023 4:36 PM

2023-01-24T16:36:37-05:00

Yes, but it should not be unquestioned gospel where agreement is a pre-condition of passing the course of instruction.

Response by SGT Jim Wiseman made Aug 10 at 2023 2:02 PM

2023-08-10T14:02:43-04:00

As a Buck Sergeant, and an older white guy (I was a late-life entry), I was talking with a younger, black LT. He made a comment, and I made a lame joke by saying, "It's because I'm white, right?" Now, I said it with obvious sarcasm and humor behind it. He said, and not admonishingly, "We're all green in the Army."
While there is racism and bigotry in the military today, and when I was in about ten years ago, the military IS a cross section of society. But, for the most part, people are open-minded and don't have any real and major problems with those of other races. If a comment or action crosses a line, all it usually takes to bring awareness to the situation is saying, "Dude... that was a little messed up!" We interact and work things out.
I know people will tell me I'm way wrong, but all I've ever seen about CRT, it's putting down white people and telling us about all of the ways we are wrong and lecturing us like we're five-years-old. It drives a wedge between races, or tries to. I'll say it again: Interaction between races promotes understanding and corrects behaviors and comments like the military likes (or should again) to handle it... at the lowest level. Don't blow it up and take it to a level it doesn't need to go.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 28 at 2024 8:02 PM

2024-01-28T20:02:05-05:00

No. Marxism has no place in the military. Its treason light.

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Jan 30 at 2024 9:13 AM

2024-01-30T09:13:18-05:00

The person has to be judged by their actions, not by the color of their skin. End of discussion.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Feb 28 at 2024 12:32 AM

2024-02-28T00:32:31-05:00

No.

Response by SSG Dale London made Feb 28 at 2024 8:47 PM

2024-02-28T20:47:24-05:00

Only if it is taught in context. Critical Race Theory is a Marxist political argument and is inimical to the idea that all men are created equal. It is designed to divide a population in order to make them easier to control.
Teach it - yes. Promote it as a viable theory within the context of our society - no.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Mar 4 at 2024 9:43 AM

2024-03-04T09:43:47-05:00

https://www.vvmf.org/Wall-of-Faces/49118/CORDELL-SPENCER/
Now I could approach this a bunch of different ways. So way is usually direct to the point, if it offends you grow. I was never really "Racist", Joe Black was my Gym Coach at Hubbard Jr High, Mostly Black, as was Plainfield HS. I always judged people by how they presented themselves, a Jerk is a Jerk no matter what Race. The ARMY made this even more Plain, I went from Jump School straight to Nam, 17years 6 months Old. In Combat you build a trust as a first thought, Race dont matter if he has your Back. Cordell was such a man, I spent approx 257 days in Bush with 1st Bn 173rd Bde. We were Wire Rats, Commo, we swapped around between the Line Co's or Bn and ran WD-1, TA-1, TA-312, each night to OP's , between Co's and BN. Operation Hump, OPORD 28-65, we had a Mail Call while waiting for truck's to take us to Flight Line, Cordell received a letter from his wife still on Okinawa, with a B&W Pic of his new Baby, he lite up and showed everybody. He was a very special Man, never went to town with us, He stayed in Camp a read his Bible. He was Killed on Nov 8th with C Company, I was with A Co, 1400 man NVA Regiment against about 400 Paratroopers. He was one of our Brothers, (there were 6 of us very close). Presidential Unit Citation, Big & Rich, 8th of November. We had Racism on both sides. PICT0919this is Willi, at Fort We gotcha, the rasist Blacks hated him, only one Problem, he was short in height but Solid Mucsle, he kicked Butt. Best part is he Became BN Race Relation NCO

THE WALL OF FACES - Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund

Response by SPC Harry Fisher made Mar 4 at 2024 11:30 AM

2024-03-04T11:30:16-05:00

As a veteran and I/O psychologist, why not? There was something I learned when deployed from a friend that was a green beret. He said to me how can we help those we are here for if we don't understand the language or culture. Of course with me being 19 at the time it opened my mind and he taught me some words thst I would say to the individuals feeding the troops. There is nothing wrong with having better thought processes or understand how things are and how we got to this situation. I think in the end it supports the general orders of not following an unlawful order because he learn a different type of reasoning. So yes. Why not!

Response by 1st Lt James Lipski made Mar 5 at 2024 6:28 PM

2024-03-05T18:28:41-05:00

Simple answer, "Hell NO!" When I was active duty and had under my command white, black, Hispanic, Filipino, Fijian, Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim enlisted. I did not care about the color of skin or religious preference. I cared about dedication to duty and work ethic. This bullshit CRT teaching that one should be ashamed to be born a certain color is in itself racist. Just treat everyone with respect and get the job done.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 5 at 2024 8:57 PM

2024-03-05T20:57:51-05:00

Teach the historical truths of the past. However, don't dwell on it. Dwell on the fact everyone should have an equal opportunity. The right has made a mockery of CRT. They act offended by history when it is the black people who were enslaved who should be offended by history. DeSantis and Florida went so far to mitigate history by saying the slaves were taught valuable trades. That is a mockery and bastardization of history. White people are now victims of the past. hahahaha