Should we bring the Pledge of Allegiance back to our schools?

2017-03-29T10:32:24-04:00

Should we bring back the Pledge of Allegiance? I remember as I went through Grade School we use to say this every morning and it gave me a sense of pride and purpose each day! Are the youth of today missing this and will they every understand what it truly means?

Your thoughts and comments are welcome?

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

Our Pledge of Allegiance as we know it is fast becoming a thing of the past. Kids used to say the Pledge of Allegiance along with a prayer before starting the day’s activities.

Below you will see the very touching recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance as told by Red Skelton. They Pledge as we should still teach our children.

Also listed is the “Global Earth Day Pledge” that our children are learning today. Again this is Global. Everything will go global in the “End Times”. This is just another way to ease everyone into it. Be Prepared. It is coming.

On January 14, 1969, Red Skelton touched the hearts of millions of Americans with his "Pledge Of Allegiance", in which he explained the meaning of each and every word. Red Skelton's recitation of the "Pledge of Allegiance" was twice read into the Congressional Record of the United States and received numerous awards.

RED SKELTON: "I remember this one teacher. To me, he was the greatest teacher, a real sage of my time. He had such wisdom. We were all reciting the Pledge Of Allegiance and he walked over. Mr. Lasswell was his name... He said": "I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge Of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word:

I

Me; an individual; a committee of one.

Pledge

Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance

My love and my devotion.

To the Flag

Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

of the United

That means that we have all come together.

States

Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that is love for country.

And to the Republic

Republic -- a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation

One Nation -- meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible

Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty

Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life, without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice

The principle, or quality, of dealing fairly with others.

For All

For All -- which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine. And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Response by Alan K. made Mar 29 at 2017 10:33 AM

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Absolutely, I try and share it every day on RP....

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Mar 29 at 2017 10:33 AM

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Bring it back, and students can choose if they wish to participate.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Mar 29 at 2017 10:37 AM

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I doubt there will be many here that would not say "Yes" to this question.

Response by SFC George Smith made Mar 29 at 2017 10:38 AM

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it reminds Us and The Next generation of The patriotism and maybe a little Respect...
If they want to sit it out they can ...
Some day maybe they will learn the meanings and the Reasons for the Pledge and the back ground...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 10:43 AM

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It's still in my kids school

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Mar 29 at 2017 10:43 AM

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Here is a great video on the Pledge - enjoy!

https://youtu.be/ioIkqKVztYg

CAPT Michael Moran LTC Raymond MillenPvt Thomas AlligoodSPC Private RallyPoint Member SGT Private RallyPoint Member Sgt George LawrenceCWO2 S R

Pledge Story

The late Red Skelton recites this time honored clasic

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 29 at 2017 10:47 AM

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Bring it back! Allow students to opt out only if their parents provide such request with justification.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 10:50 AM

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Yes, but, we also need to teach what it means.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Mar 29 at 2017 10:51 AM

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Bring it back, COL Mikel J. Burroughs, and allow those who wish not to participate to sit it out.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 29 at 2017 10:56 AM

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As I said in another thread, my part of the country is vert patriotic. The main TV station covering the region shows the Elementary School classes reciting the Pledge twice a day. And, I have never heard a complaint. BTW, prayers are also heard at most events. It is not mandatory to participate, but 99% do, regardless of personal beliefs.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 10:58 AM

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Hell yes bring it back.

Response by SSgt Robert Marx made Mar 29 at 2017 11:09 AM

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Yes!! All students in every public school in this country and in DoD schools should say the pledge each day. It starts the school day with solemnity and a time for introspection.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Mar 29 at 2017 11:11 AM

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Your question presupposes that it's gone. Is this true? If so, We are deeper in the weeds than I thought. Even more important than the Pledge, we need to teach civics. We need to teach our children the fundamental concepts of liberty and its relationship to responsibility. We can't make America great again unless they understand what "America" and "American Greatness" is supposed to look like. The lack of this shared vision explains a lot of what is happening in the streets these days, doesn't it?

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Mar 29 at 2017 11:16 AM

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Gee I never thought it left-Since I've retired I occasionally substitute teach at schools in several local school districts here and have subbed in grades kindergarten to 12th grade. I can't think of a time in any class homeroom that I've been in that the day hasn't started with the Pledge of Allegiance! And oh yes-I've never had a student who refused to stand and/or recite the Pledge, this also includes one school in a local district that caters to students who are all of the Muslin religion!

Response by CW4 Robert C. made Mar 29 at 2017 11:19 AM

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Yes I think that it should be brought back. We are lacking in our duties by teaching them what is meant by the allegiance. Why are we only making people who become citizens say it, it should be in every school. If you don't want to say "under God " then don't but it should be required.

Response by SGT Audie Blackwell made Mar 29 at 2017 11:24 AM

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I actually heard Charlie Daniels recite Redd Shelton's Pledge of Alligance on one of his albums. I absolutely love it!

Response by Dennis Sullivan made Mar 29 at 2017 11:33 AM

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We still recite the pledge every morning at my high school, though we are given a choice to sit out if we prefer. That is the way it should be done.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 11:58 AM

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Yes, definitely

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 11:58 AM

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I don't know why it ever stopped, I grew up with it into High school. Best part of my day is Coffee and Colors in the Morning... they rest is a shit show, but at least I have Coffee and Colors to look forward to.

Response by SFC Dave Beran made Mar 29 at 2017 12:07 PM

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Hell yes.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Mar 29 at 2017 12:11 PM

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ABSOLUTELY BRING IT BACK!!! Most (not all) kids these days have no sense of patriotism or loyalty to their country because they haven't been taught that.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 12:15 PM

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Absolutely.

Response by SSgt Ryan Sylvester made Mar 29 at 2017 12:22 PM

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I'm of the mind that students should be able to participate or not if they are so inclined. Here's why. The PoA means nothing if the person reciting it is being forced against their will. Requiring them to recite against their will is tantamount to harassment, if not subservience. That's not the country I raised my hand to defend. I'm not in favor of removing it from the classroom, either, because it is good to express dedication to our country, if so inclined. Allow the child to make their own decision, to express themselves or not as they wish. It's our most basic right.

Of course, those that choose to express themselves by being disruptive should face punishment. Good teachable moment that freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequence.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Mar 29 at 2017 12:34 PM

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Some schools still have, but those that took it out are the losers.

Response by SGT Michael Thorin made Mar 29 at 2017 12:44 PM

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It's funny that this was brought up as a topic. SPC Douglas Bolton and I were talking about the class I had the privilege of teaching to the 3rd grade classes of Bowie Middle School in Dallas, TX. I will be posting this class later. Suffice to say that these students say the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, along with the Pledge for Texas. It was awesome listening to these children saying the Pledge. Imagine what it would be like if we had a Country full of people willing to push it back into the direction that it will take to preserve our freedoms. And yes, I firmly believe that when we completely lose our sense of ownership of this Country, it will not be much longer before we lose it all together.

I will be posting the video of the classes later on. I hope you will get a chance to watch it, not because of me, but because many of you will swell with pride when you hear some of the comments coming from these children.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Mar 29 at 2017 1:05 PM

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I would have liked to see an Other option, my friend, since many school systems recite the Pledge of Allegiance still COL Mikel J. Burroughs. While the liberal 9th Circuit ruled against the reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, both the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have ruled the pledge is constitutional. Even the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled in favor of it.
Where I live in Loudoun County, VA the public school guidance is "MINUTE OF SILENCE and PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ... students observe a Minute of Silence as mandated by the Commonwealth of Virginia. ... should stop what they are doing, remain silent, then recite the pledge before proceeding to class." Background:
September 18, 1892 - The pledge is published for the first time in the juvenile magazine "The Youth's Companion." The pledge is written to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America.
1924 - The words "the flag of the United States of America" put in place of "my Flag." The pledge was originally written - "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
1942 - The pledge is recognized by the U.S. government.
1943 - In West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette (319 U.S. 624), the Supreme Court rules that requiring a person to say the pledge is violating the first and fourteenth amendments. The case involved a Jehovah's Witness student refusing to say the pledge in schools on the grounds it was against his or her religious beliefs.
1954 - President Dwight D. Eisenhower asks Congress to add "under God" to the pledge. Congress adds the phrase.
1998 - Dr. Michael Newdow files suit against the school board of Broward County (Florida) to get the phrase "under God" removed from the pledge. The suit is dismissed for lack of standing. Sandy Banning, the mother of the girl, says that her daughter is not an atheist and has not been harmed by saying the pledge in school. Banning and Newdow have faced custody issues over their daughter.
2000 - Newdow, who is an atheist, brings the case against the Elk Grove school system in California. His daughter attends Florence Markofer Elementary School in Elk Grove.
June 26, 2002 - The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decides that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is an unconstitutional "endorsement of religion" because of the phrase "under God."
March 24, 2004 - Newdow argues his case before the Supreme Court.
June 14, 2004 - The U.S. Supreme Court dismisses the challenge to the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance on a technicality, saying Newdow does not have legal standing to bring the case.
January 3, 2005 - Michael Newdow and eight co-plaintiffs file suit in a Sacramento federal court, seeking to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. The eight co-plaintiffs are not named but are parents with custody of their children or children themselves.
July 18, 2005 - Michael Newdow reopens his case and sues four Sacramento area school districts on behalf of his family and several others.
August 10, 2005 - The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upholds a Virginia law that requires public schools to recite the Pledge of Allegiance daily, and rejects a claim that its reference to God is an unconstitutional promotion of religion. The court states that the pledge is not an affirmation of religion similar to a prayer, but simply a patriotic exercise. This suit is raised by a father of three, Edward Myers of Sterling, Virgina, who doesn't believe his children should have to say "one nation under God."
September 14, 2005 - Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in schools is ruled unconstitutional by U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton of U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of California, in Sacramento. He states that the phrase "under God" violates the children's right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God."
January 2009 - Frazier vs. Alexandre - The U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals issues a ruling stating under parents' written request, schools can excuse a student from reciting the pledge regardless of the student's personal beliefs.
March 11, 2010 - Newdon vs. Rio Linda Union School District - Michael Newdon, Sacramento attorney, loses his case to remove the words "under God" from the pledge. Newdon has publically fought to remove "God" from the pledge and U.S. currency. Judge Carlos T. Bea writes, "The pledge is one of allegiance to our republic, not of allegiance to the God or to any religion."
November 12, 2010 - The First U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upholds a lower court ruling that a New Hampshire law requiring schools to recite the pledge is not unconstitutional.
October 5, 2012 - State of Michigan Governor Rick Snyder signs legislation that will give all Michigan students the freedom of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in class.
May 9, 2014 - The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts rules that the Pledge of Allegiance does not discriminate against atheists, saying that the words "under God" represent a patriotic, not a religious, exercise.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/us/pledge-of-allegiance-fast-facts/

Pledge of Allegiance Fast Facts

See CNN's Fast Facts to learn more about the history of Pledge of Allegience.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 29 at 2017 1:07 PM

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ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, the way it was written

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Mar 29 at 2017 1:11 PM

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Yes, but I think it has only been curtailed in some places. My Grand kids say the pledge in school and they have a different kid lead it over the loud speakers each day. It is my understanding that kids that don't want to recite it, are not made to, but have to stand during the recital.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 1:14 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs The Pledge of Allegiance is America. It should be in every school.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 1:32 PM

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I say bring it back and allow students to participate per their choice. The pledge teaches pride in one's country, the only reason I see for not reciting it is if the student is an exchange student from another country.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Mar 29 at 2017 1:32 PM

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The answer is hell yes. This is your country- that is the Pledge. My grand daughter has been going to Catholic school since Pre-K and they say it every morning. Nothing like watching a room of 4 year old reciting the Pledge while you are there on Veteran Honor Day. Proud Pop moment for me.

Response by CSM William DeWolf made Mar 29 at 2017 1:44 PM

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Absolutely!

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Mar 29 at 2017 1:50 PM

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I was a public school teacher for over 30 years. During those years, we said the Pledge every day. Sometimes we started the day with daily announcement and it preceded the announcements. Sometimes we had activity period before lunch and it was done at that time, but we said the Pledge everyday. Only those kids with religious restrictions to pledging, such as the Jehovah Witnesses, were allowed not to participate. Even if a child had some other reason for not participating, they were required to stand and show respect for their fellow students. In our elementary school they also recite their school pledge for behaving, respecting, and doing their best everyday. Same rules apply.

Just what is wrong with Pledging? Don't love and honor your country?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 29 at 2017 2:00 PM

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Absolutely not. It's a country, not a cult. Idolatry and rhythmic chants of obeisance have no place in an educational setting or institution. Blind faith in anything never leads to good. We should be teaching critical thinking, not the reverse...

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Mar 29 at 2017 2:02 PM

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I know people have been trying to get rid of it, but I didn't know it was already gone. My children are yet of the school age. If it is gone, then personally I think it should be brought back. I've heard people say it's creepy or "cult-like" to be praising a flag, but I don't see it that way. I see it as giving thanks to all the freedoms and liberties many people take for granted. I'm also from the cold war era when we didn't know if the soviets were going to invade or attack us. But that flag as it has always been was a symbol of our unity.

Personally I think if more people gave the Pledge a little bit more thought, they wouldn't be so eager to burn our Flag or stomp on it or wipe their butt with it. It always amuses me when I see people desecrating our flag and claiming it oppresses them, yet they are allowed to publicly express those beliefs because of that flag.

It's sad that the people who claim oppression can't even appreciate the freedom they are given.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 2:04 PM

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No. We're not North Korea, so the idea of forced indoctrination and brainwashing our youth to believe in the greatness of our government and country isn't one of which I'm a fan. If their experiences develop for them a love of our nation, they'll be Patriots; if it develops a disdain for our nation's failings, and they work through peaceful means to improve what they dislike, they'll still be Patriots. Indoctrination and brainwashing have no place in America.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Mar 29 at 2017 2:07 PM

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Absolutely bring it back, and if you live in America, you stand. Not subject to negotiation in my book.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Mar 29 at 2017 3:09 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs In my HUMBLE OPINION, the Pledge of Allegiance should have NEVER been taken out of schools. For those VERY VERY VERY FEW people who don't want it...DO NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE!

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 3:10 PM

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Yes, Sir.

It should have never left.

Response by LTC Jesse Edwards made Mar 29 at 2017 3:19 PM

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I'd rather there was a pledge to the Constitution while reciting some of the enumerated rights.
It's too easy for politicians to convince people they are "the flag" to which we pledge our allegiance.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 3:19 PM

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Yes. It will provide a foundation to build upon in instilling a sense of who we are as a Nation. We need that in a major way now. It will rile some folks but is far different than anything religious in nature that really upsets many. There should not be any conflict with regard to the Pledge that affirms citizenship and loyalty to the USA because what are the other options? Rest assured that some will dedicate many hours to looking for them but I'm stumped at a quick glance finding any. Meaning = partial citizen, confused and exploring citizen, anti-citizen, part-time citizen, fair-weather citizen, foreign and undocumented citizen and so forth? Immigration may come to bear and if someone that may not have properly immigrated wants to stay refuses any such allegiance, they are a prime candidate for returning to a Nation they would affirm allegiance to. There is still that one element of "one Nation under God" that the opposition will always refer to and has been upheld judicially, and therein lies the greatest obstacle. That's easily remedied by having those reciting the Pledge insert the name of the Savior of choice at the appropriate time. We do it with all sorts of Oaths already by allowing a choice of "swear" or "affirm". Plan B is to allow any that choose not to participate remain seated, but I can see problems at recess with that one due to retaliation and it will never fly. It would be perceived as a form of "forced self-humiliation". Plan C is the status quo. I agree about choice but I also think that you have to stand for something, otherwise you stand for nothing. This does not mean that people that oppose the Pledge are less than citizens, but just that I personally don't see the harm in it.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 3:57 PM

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It never left. While I think everyone should stand, those that choose not to pledge should be allowed to stand there quietly while everyone else does the pledge. No one should be forced to recite the pledge, because forced patriotism...isn't.

Response by Maj John D Benedict made Mar 29 at 2017 4:15 PM

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It seems we are way too politically correct if we cannot even recite the pledge of allegiance in school. People want to live here, but they don't want any of the associated actions or work??

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 4:17 PM

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I kept seeing this on social media. I know a lot of teachers. I used to present at elementary schools as a mascot for our local Winter Wings Festival. Truth is, most elementary and middle schools still do the pledge of allegiance. Where does this come from that students are not saying the pledge anymore? I think a quiet spiritual moment is fine as well; it breeds good moral conduct, but I would not support a group prayer as that would potentially alienate some people.

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Mar 29 at 2017 5:05 PM

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A resounding YES

Response by SSgt Ron Dexter made Mar 29 at 2017 6:42 PM

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Yes

Response by PO2 Robert Aitchison made Mar 29 at 2017 7:21 PM

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What schools is it not in? My wife teaches for Los Angeles Unified School District and they recite the Pledge every morning.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 29 at 2017 10:05 PM

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I didn't know it really left. We recited it at the start of every board of education meeting in Woodstock, CT and flags and time to say it must be provided for in schools by CT state law. Having said that it is unconstitutional to require someone to recite it.

We did screw the pooch when we added the under god bit which gave it a second strike and reason for more people to legitimately bow out. The first strike was swearing an oath which is against some people's religion, the second was to endorse monotheistic religions which not everyone adheres to.

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/connecticut/ct-laws/connecticut_statutes_10-230

Connecticut General Statutes 10-230 - Flags in schoolrooms and schools. Policy on the reciting of...

Connecticut General Statutes 10-230 - Flags in schoolrooms and schools. Policy on the reciting of the "Pledge of Allegiance" | Laws and legal information about primary and secondary schools

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Mar 30 at 2017 6:30 AM

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I was not aware that it wasn't being said, but then again, no surprise due to the nation of individuals we have become having our drawers in a twist over anything and everything.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Mar 30 at 2017 6:56 AM

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How do you bring back something that never left? My daughters have said the Pledge in every school they've attended.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 6:56 AM

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They can bring it back to schools but students should not be forced to say it. Nothing worse than fake patriotism and false motivation. They already do fake patriotism in the NFL.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Mar 30 at 2017 7:52 AM

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Guess I'm not up with the times, wasn't aware it had gone away. I suppose that if the major objection is the words "under God" we could eliminate them and go back to original wording. I was in elementary school when those words were added and don't recall any big fuss. But suppose times have changed.

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Mar 30 at 2017 10:46 AM

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Bring it back! That and voluntary prayer also! Maybe if we bring those two things back into schools we can keep our children out of JAILS!

Response by SPC Jerry Addis made Mar 30 at 2017 10:57 AM

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That shouldn't even be a question needed to be asked. God help the country that doesn't and won't support itself or show loyalty. We used to stand for something. Now the majority of patriots are Veterans... and the new population of military members is digressing in that stand. As it stands, if you were to reincorporate the pledge, it'd still be an optional factor, one of which would most likely only be honored by a select few. Parents would outrage at even the idea of their precious children show allegiance to anything other than greed and participation trophies. That's my rant.

Response by SGM Irvin Lyons Jr made Mar 30 at 2017 12:16 PM

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I always advocated a return of the Pledge to our schools as well as prayer. I never could understand how 15% of the population control the other 85% at the Supreme Court proceedings!

Response by SPC Jill Drushal, RN, MA made Mar 30 at 2017 12:48 PM

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A few of the many reasons that my fourth child goes to parochial school are that they say the Pledge of Allegiance and the Pledge to the Cross daily, they pray before school and before meals, and they don't use Common Core curriculum. My serious distaste for Common Core was solidified when my third child graduated from high school in 2015 without the ability to balance a bank statement or to do her own simple tax return (a 1040EZ) with only wage income.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 1:10 PM

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Let us force allegiance to the Reich

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 1:10 PM

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They stopped doing this at my old high school during my Junior year, but we persisted with it in JROTC. I see no reason why it should not be done every day, if students choose not to do it, then they must get some sort of note signed off by a parent(if not 18) stating why they choose not to. There's no reason to cut out an American tradition since long before I was even born just for the comfort of few when you can simply provide them this option or opt out of it.

Response by PO1 Kevin Arnold made Mar 30 at 2017 2:35 PM

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I am a substitute teacher in the state of Oregon and for most not all schools still have the pledge of allegiance.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Mar 30 at 2017 4:18 PM

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YES!

Response by SPC Paul C. made Mar 30 at 2017 4:42 PM

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Bring it back! Not only is it our pledge, it's our history, our heritage, all rolled up in a few beautiful sentences.

Response by SFC Wade W. made Mar 30 at 2017 5:23 PM

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I agree with the people saying yes, it should be recited with an option to opt out with parental approval. It's not brainwashing, it reinforces citizenship.

Response by SPC Kayle Benedix made Mar 30 at 2017 5:44 PM

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Yes we should, it never should have been removed from our schools.

Response by LTC Wayne Brandon made Mar 30 at 2017 6:32 PM

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My position on this is that the POA is not an oath or an affirmation, it is simply a promise made by the individual to loyalty, faithfulness and fidelity toward the nation, the flag it represents and done so publicly. What true patriotic citizen would not wish to be reminded on occasion, that they have been given access either by birth, naturalization or permission to the greatest national blessing on this planet?
This practice is a great reminder and something that our children can and should come to understand, is special.
We have become a forgetful and largely ungrateful society that can no longer be bothered with such things. It is evident in the failure of even our veterans who no longer stand during a parade as the color guard goes by, let alone salute the flag.
Our constitution and bill of rights gives us a lot of latitude to be free from anything we decide we don't like - including paying our respects to the nation and the God who has so richly blessed all of us with it. But such distancing can bring about lethargy and even contempt for this nation which is clearly apparent in our society today.
Failure to remember its value and failing to take your freedom seriously, be sure that someone will wrest it from you - seriously.

Response by COL Scott Pacello made Mar 30 at 2017 6:35 PM

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Definitely. It's part of country identity that all should track with. Maybe we should even give a pop quiz to some adults!

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Mar 30 at 2017 7:26 PM

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"One nation under God". Pledge of Allegiance is alive and kicking here in Fayetteville NC.

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made Mar 30 at 2017 7:32 PM

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Bring back The Pledge of Allegiance in all U.S. Schools. If you are not permitted to do so, then you are in the wrong Country.

Response by CPT Wallace Dunn made Mar 30 at 2017 7:41 PM

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I find it extremely sad that you even find it necessary to ask this question. Of course I love this country and what it stands for. And the flag represents this country.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 30 at 2017 7:58 PM

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Just found this.

https://www.google.com/amp/http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/amp/Judge-dismisses-First-Amendment-suit-over-Mexican-6000259.php

McAllen student who sued over Mexican pledge and flag loses lawsuit

The suit dates to 2011 when Brenda Brinsdon, then a sophomore at Achieve Early College High School in McAllen, was given an assignment to recite the Mexican Pledge of Allegiance and sing the Mexican National Anthem for her Spanish class. Brinsdon and her father sued the McAllen Independent School District, the principal of her school and her Spanish instructor, alleging her right to freedom of speech and equal protection were violated by...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 9:26 PM

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When I was in school the flag didn't teach me anything it was just something that was a part of my normal routine. When you make someone do something everyday eventually that person will get tired of it and the flag will become meaningless to that individual. If people want to say the flag then let them say it. If they don't then they shouldn't have to, it's their right also students shouldn't be punished for not saying it.

Response by SFC George Sease made Mar 31 at 2017 12:47 AM

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Saying a prayer and the pledge of allegiance never killed any of my classmates or myself. We had Jews doing the daily devotions and we had Christians conducting the prayer. We learned about each other's religion. Bring back the pledge of allegiance and prayer in school. Not having it is part of the reason that our country is in the shape that it's in.

Response by Capt Gregory Prickett made Mar 31 at 2017 12:05 PM

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Only if they take out the reference to a deity.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 31 at 2017 1:42 PM

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Sir, I'm going against the grain on this one. I personally believe it should be, being I like many others said it with no problem in our times in school. It wasn't "required", it was something akin to taking your next breath. You just did it. I'm going to say NO now, since we now have the Pledge not as a reaffirmation to the country, but it's a "litmus test" to see if you're "Murican" enough to be an "Murican". How can anyone expect a child to say something while their parents openly support politicians who either "pledge" another form of allegiance to another country that does NOT do the same for us, or a country that is looking dead in the face at the costs of war, and even with that, we are fighting a multitude of wars that have no end date, no reasonable and acceptable goals to measure on (Drugs and Terror), and we're inching our way back to McCarthyism one interview at a time. I've pissed folks off before with this comment "I DO NOT need the colors on my arm to know who I'm fighting for, why I'm fighting for them, and the expectations that go along with it. You could take that rag off my right arm and on my chest, it'll say more than enough of who and what I am". My loyalty is to the people and land that gave me birth. Not a rag on any part of my uniform. I was in the Army when we DIDN'T wear them, so I'm supposed to be "scared" if I don't have it now? If you are an American, it's not a word, pledge, or donation. It's a belief that YOU believe in. No rag, song, "expert pundit" can change that. I believe in my home. Don't need to say shit to puff my chest out, no pins, not a damn thing. When you hold your politicians to the same standards of conduct that you hold me and other Americans to, come back and talk to me. Until you stop "pledging to foreign countries" due to the perceived "power" they have here? Take a seat and be quiet. No politician has ever pledged a thing to Africa lower than the Sahara. Liberia? Please. Just. Stop. No one as pledged a thing to any far eastern country short of SK, Japan, and now Vietnam (only for the making of goods and trade). No one pledges a damn thing of value to any other country short of Israel or the middle east, and that's only due to oil reserves. Take that out, and Israel stands alone as the only country where it's an acceptable norm to say "I stand "with".

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Mar 31 at 2017 3:21 PM

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I do have a little bit of a problem with the pledge of allegiance on 2 levels.
First compelling someone to do it takes away from the meaning of the pledge.
The second reason is probably even more important. When you pledge allegiance, your pledging allegiance to a flag and to the government. When we take oaths our primary responsibility isn't to the government or the flag, it's to the constitution. We swear to uphold and defend the constitution. This means that if the government were to endanger the constitution, our obligation would be to defend it from the government. Essentially, in school kids are declaring allegiance to the us government, while those who serve declare allegiance to the ideals of the United States. My point is that we are teaching kids to show reverence to the wrong thing.

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made Apr 1 at 2017 12:19 AM

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Absolutely. If you are attending a school in the United States of America you should be pledging your allegiance to the country that is educating you. (unless you have a religious issue). If the pledge offends you than maybe you shouldn't be here.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2017 10:41 AM

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I say leave it out. To me, it conjures up the image of North Korean kids blindly reciting praises to the great leader. It is nothing but child brainwashing, and does nothing to really develop critical thinking or patriotism. Children should learn patriotisim and pride of country by learning our history and values, along with learning about the difference between the aspirational values we strive for and the reality on the ground. Blindly reciting a pledge does and means nothing in the end.

And for those who think it is a simple solution to allow kids to opt out, it is much more complicated than that. To children, fitting in and being part of the group is a big thing as they learn social skills. And peer pressure is very strong at times. So having a kid not participate just sets them up for retaliation and being ostracized. It's the same issue with prayers. Those who don't participate are noticed, and often singled out.

So let's teach our kids about our country and develop their pride in our country by living the values we aspire to, rather than have group think reciting praises every day like a roomful of NK kids singing the praises of the great leader.

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Apr 1 at 2017 11:50 PM

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It's still Very Pertinent in everything or group I'm involved in. I made sure my children and grandchildren know it's meaning, along with our Flag. It'll always be important to me!!! Doc Bradshaw

Response by David Clark made Apr 2 at 2017 6:38 AM

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I agree it should be there maybe it's just me does this happen to anyone else? When I say the pledge of Allegiance or hear the national anthem. I get goose bumps or the feeling of pride,honor and respect. The other day on a post on Facebook I had committed about in my family's private cemetery. I had family members date back to the Civil War. His comment did make since but was wrong at the same time. The post was on burning the flag and I think a lot of people really don't have pride or realize people die for that flag . They have the rights under the laws to burn the very same flag so many lives where lost protecting or freedoms. I really think it did matter my families back ground. The pride and respect I have when I see that flag or a Soldier in uniform. Every day growing up I was in the present of people willing to sacrifice their life to protect or lives and freedoms. There was a picture at a funeral of a fallen Soldier. His wife slump over with the flag in her lap crying. That's the ultimate sacrifice to give your life to save someone else's. Some of them same people burning the flag growing up don't have a clue about life. They heard about some copy machine breaking and never thought any day there parent mite have to go to war if needed. In school if your parent wasn't in the Military I thought they where pussy. Everyone loves all the freedoms we have in America but only a few are willing to give their life to protect this great Nation of ours. And someone talked about making it against the law to burn the flag. I had to say no about that. Because all the lives lost so they would have the right to burn the flag. My idea was pass a law it's legal to beat anyone's ass that disrespect our flag. So everyone is still happy except maybe the flag burner with the broken jaw and black eyes. And don't make it difficult law makers. If you disrespect or burn the flag be prepared to get your ass kicked. So to all the men and women in the military thank you for keeping us safe.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 2 at 2017 9:34 PM

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We managed through two World Wars without one

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2017 11:34 PM

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Its easy to kill men but an idea can live on. God can be so many things to so many people but the belief that built America needs to continue, even if most people in America seem to have forgotten it.

Response by SGT Rick Pierson made Apr 2 at 2017 11:38 PM

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Hell yes

Response by SGT Craig Black made Apr 3 at 2017 5:02 PM

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Most Definitely!!!

Response by SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint made Apr 3 at 2017 11:15 PM

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Why not? Has it caused harm? Are you messed up if you did it long ago?

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Apr 4 at 2017 8:53 AM

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Its still alive here in Florida. My English wife makes the kids stand and give the pledge. Any that choose not to participate have to stand quietly with their arms at their side. "How come you're pledging if you're not American, Miss Lisa?" her kids ask. "Respect. To the nation that allows me to live here and teach." She is also the "head pilgrim" in the school thanksgiving performance which goes over well as you can imagine...

Response by 1LT Joe Baker made Apr 6 at 2017 1:27 PM

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Did it go away? I think this is a misleading question since, to my knowledge, it is still done. But, I'm a FIRM believer that students have the right to free speech. As veterans, we have defended this right. No way on Earth do I want to see American citizens forced to give up that right. This is not North Korea.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2017 5:50 PM

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Of Course We Should!!!

Response by SFC Timothy N. Livengood made Apr 7 at 2017 3:21 PM

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Our local school still does this every morning. Love the small community that I patrol everyday. Hooah

Response by SGT Danny Justice made Apr 7 at 2017 7:28 PM

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In Enfield they still do every morning followed by a moment of silence.

Response by Brent Clemensen made Apr 8 at 2017 10:00 AM

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YES, It is needs to be

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Apr 8 at 2017 1:47 PM

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Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 11:18 AM

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Yes, the Pledge of Allegiance should be in schools. They can say affirm or in God but the pledge shows, reinforces, and produces Patriotic citizens. The media has no problem catching kids early to shape them into popular cultural beings but they don't want to breed patriotism. This is wrong on all levels.

Response by PO2 Danetta Troisi made Apr 10 at 2017 11:36 AM

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It should be brought back. I grew up saying the pledge in school and at events. As others have mentioned, it gave me a sense of pride in my country. It is a deducation of myself to my country. I jooned the Navy in dedication of muself to my country. I am the daughter of a retired, Vietnam GySgt to whom this was important. My parents raised my siblings and I to be proud of who we were and our country. I have raised my children the same way. My older son joined the Marines and is a strong patriot. We still stand when the anthem is played and hands over hearts or in a salute when saying the pledge. Our children today need to know and understand what the pledge means and why we stand and recite it.

Response by SFC Don Vance made Apr 12 at 2017 9:55 AM

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YES!!! IMMEDIATELY!!!
IMHO removing the Pledge from schools was one of the steps taken to usher in the New World Order.

Response by SGT David Emme made Apr 24 at 2017 11:17 AM

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Never knew they took it out, that figures. Seems like in most pother countries this is not a problem-patriotism. Being proud of your country. I know this, in the Philippines, you still have to stand at the position of attention before every movie and sing the Filipino national anthem. But we, the evil Americans are eveil for teaching our kids to love and cherish our country...shame.

Response by SGT Robert Lincecum made Apr 24 at 2017 3:49 PM

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It should have NEVER left. To me, it's an "oath of office" for an American Citizen, it takes less than 1 minute of your day, and it instills the Value of America in the kids

Response by LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. made Apr 24 at 2017 3:57 PM

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Absolutely!

Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Apr 24 at 2017 11:14 PM

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Never left in North Dakota

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 25 at 2017 6:32 PM

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Having children recite empty words they don't understand makes us no better than the North Koreans

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Apr 26 at 2017 9:44 PM

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Who started the effort to prevent the Pledge of Allegiance in schools? We need some accountablity!

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Apr 27 at 2017 8:23 PM

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There is little enough patriotism among the younger generations as it is; having the Pledge in schools at least gives patriotism a chance to keep a foothold. With the erosion of many of the traditional values of our great country we need to fight to keep those that are left.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Apr 30 at 2017 11:54 AM

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We need to bring Civics back.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made May 1 at 2017 1:29 PM

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People do what they are trained to do.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made May 1 at 2017 6:04 PM

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It should have never been allowed to be taken out of the schools in the first place. New immigrants should assimilate to our way of life. We shouldn't have to make allowances because some pansy ass is worried that we might hurt someones feelings. They can opt out if they wish, keep quiet if they want to. But they will know that the majority of us are God fearing, God respecting, flag waving AMERICANS, who love and respect our REPUBLIC, ONE NATION under GOD, INDIVISIBLE with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.

Response by SCPO Frank Carson made May 2 at 2017 10:24 AM

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Never left

Response by SFC Leslie Caudill made May 3 at 2017 8:18 PM

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I think you would find that most schools still say the Pledge. I retired 4 years ago, having taught for almost 25 years - 2 1/2 years in private schools, and 22 years in public school - and we said the Pledge every morning.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made May 4 at 2017 12:51 PM

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In this day when deep patriotism is lacking, our schools, which function as a result of our freedoms, have a responsibility to begin instilling patriotism into our young folks. I fear that in many cases patriotism is not being taught in our homes except on holidays with beer and bbq....rather shallow in my opinion. Those of us who grew up with a Dad who fought in WWII began to learn at an early age what it means to be a free American and to love and defend this great country. I'm sure the same can be said for many who have grown up with parents who served during Viet Nam, Desert Storm and OIF/OEF. The patriotism that our schools need to be teaching is why we have this flag, what it has stood and stands for to the rest of the world, and that it is not subject to desecration such as being burned or stomped on. Yes, those actions come with our broad freedom of speech, but with freedom of speech comes the unwritten act of responsiblity in what you say and to realize that without that flag one would not have the opportunity to desecrate it. This alone should bring about some reverence. So, yes, the Pledge of Allegiance should be in our schools, from Pre-k through high school every day.

Response by MSgt Neil Greenfield made May 5 at 2017 7:00 AM

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It never has left the school system where I live.

Response by SSG Don Waggoner made May 5 at 2017 11:43 AM

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The Pledge is already in most schools. In Florida, it is done every morning. But, let me ask, are we a country that has to, wants to, or should force patriotism on everyone? Many of you seem to think this country has gone to the demons and that bringing God and the Flag/Pledge to schools will solve all our problems. Not everyone believes the way you do, yet almost everyone will fall out when called to service if necessary. I don't see a lack of volunteers for military service. It's feel good propaganda. We'd do more to promote patriotism if we worked harder to eliminate racism and elitism and made more effort to make everyone feel welcome and a part of our country.

Response by SGT James Colwell made May 6 at 2017 2:36 PM

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As citizens we should have an allegiance to the country and flag that represents it. That does not mean an unquestioning, blind obedience to the government. If one does not proclaim allegiance, you should be free to leave or to work within the system to make changes to your liking. Flag burning and temper tantrums because you don't get your way is not a systemic response.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2017 10:01 AM

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No. Compulsory patriotism is not patriotism.

Response by SPC Tom Walsh made May 16 at 2017 4:01 AM

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Throughout grade school we recited The Pledge every morning. I attended a Catholic school for two years during the 80s and we recited The Pledge at the start of every day. Prayer happened at lunch.

My thoughts: If there is a US Flag flying outside the schoolhouse, The Pledge should happen inside. At least once per day.

Response by SSG Alfonso Pagan made May 16 at 2017 10:29 PM

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Not just the Pledge of Allegiance but our Christian values and beliefs that this country was founded on. If someone feels offended of those values there are other countries that accommodate those other beliefs.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2017 1:45 PM

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I've been subbing at a few of the junior high and high schools around Miami University in Ohio while I'm finishing my graduate degree, and every school I've been to does both the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence. It may just be a Midwest thing, but when my wife and I lived in Florida, they said the Pledge and had a moment of silence there as well. Does anyone teach at or have kids at schools where either aren't allowed?

Personally, yes, I am in favor of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. I may be a little biased however, being both in the Army and a Social Studies teacher.

Response by TSgt Timothy Ryburn made May 18 at 2017 2:45 PM

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"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us." 1943 Supreme Court Decision banning the mandatory Pledge of Allegience in schools, explaining why you can't compel "Allegiance" from a free people.

Response by PO3 Robert Laity made May 28 at 2017 4:05 AM

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It is "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation UNDER GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all". Don't forget GOD, Colonel. I wasn't aware that they HAD taken this pledge out of our schools. That's most likely the handiwork of the NWO Globalist & counterfeit President Obama.

Response by COL John Hudson made May 28 at 2017 10:21 AM

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Good morning, Mikel. You're beating a dead horse here. Too much PC...too many "rights advocates" in the mix. After military retirement, I taught school and was surprised the first time I saw a student(s) not stand up for nor recite the Pledge. The Principal explained to me they had to offer a compromise to those parents/students who had no desire to participate so they were asked to respect the feelings of others and at least stand up. Most chose not to do even that much effort and I wasn't permitted to say anything about it. There's no 'glue' holding everyone together for a common cause or national goal any more. It's all "me" and "my way" and to hell with any other point of view. I'm still personally disgusted that the military is now kowtowing to minority groups that believe their hair style is more important than tradition and don't even get me started on "stress cards." There's a subtle wind blowing across this country of ours that's altering the roots of the society I grew up into and came to believe in. I truly believe it's too late to recapture what we were and that the next conflict we become embroiled in will have participants so fractured in their personal belief systems that we'll accomplish little to nothing. Read your history concerning failed societies (remember the Romans?) and you'll understand where I'm coming from. John

Response by PO2 Rich Pratt made May 31 at 2017 10:49 AM

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I posted on this on Facebook and was corrected by a friend who is an elementary school principal. In Michigan there is time each morning for the pledge, students can opt out of it, but the pledge is recited every morning.

I did some research and that is the case in most states, the pledge is still recited each morning.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Jun 2 at 2017 6:40 AM

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We need to bring Americanism and back to this Country.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Jun 2 at 2017 9:53 AM

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If you don't instill patriotism and pride in America in kids, somebody will fill the gap with their own ideas...When we see and hear today's college aged people standing on the Flag, calling our Founders a bunch of old men, and the Constitution an outdated piece of parchment, and the Pledge just propaganda...it makes simple things like saying the Pledge that much more important.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2017 2:41 PM

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There were actually two pledges: the Bellamy and Balch pledges. The one we state is not the original Bellamy one. This is what he (Francis Bellamy) originally wrote: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Col George Balch wrote (five years before Bellamy): "We give our heads and hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag!"

"The Pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be recited in 15 seconds. As a socialist, he had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided against it, knowing that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans."

Why do we need to have our children pledge allegiance daily? Does that not seem somewhat dictator-like to anyone? Most kids are just reciting it to get it done with and don't know what they're saying or doing. I think it's actually quite ridiculous to force children to pledge to anything.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2017 2:57 PM

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It's been unconstitutional since 1943 to force students to say the pledge. Also there used to be a salute that went with it but they changed it when Hitler rose to power as it was very similar to the Nazi salute.

I wasn't aware it left - and you can't force anyone to recite it.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jun 6 at 2017 5:31 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner…No, Grade School School students are way to you to know the meaning of this act of Patriotism. They are under the age of citizenship at 18 so none of this really applies to them anyway. It is in many way like infant Baptism, the child clearly has no idea of what is happening and what her or him are being obligated to, let them wait until they are old enough to know what they are doing then let them make the decision. The same with the Pledge of Allegiance. hell 18 year males still bitch about having to register for conscription at 18. Its obvious doing the pledge everyday didn't mean anything other then a time to giggle at the girls.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2017 4:27 PM

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In the school that I taught at from 2012-2016, we did the pledge of allegiance every morning. I loved it.

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Jun 8 at 2017 1:13 AM

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Government Hill Elementary school in Anchorage, Alaska is a Spanish language immersion public school. They recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish. Pretty cool.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2017 11:38 AM

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Absolutely!

Just like we say our Soldier and NCO Creeds at every NCOES school.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 10 at 2017 9:58 PM

2017-06-10T21:58:08-04:00

Highest Respect to You Colonel as Always. If My Grandchildren choose too. Good for them. Force them To, Hell Not. My Family has always Been "Patriots" but if it is Forced, It loses it's Meaning to Me. It is No More than the "Blood Oath" of the Nazi's I'm German American and I'm also Jewish German American, I will never have any association with Fascism disguised as "Patriotism". Respectfully CTO1 Wm "Chip" Nagel USN (R) Past Commander's Club VFW Kansas.

Response by SGT Michael Smith made Jun 10 at 2017 10:35 PM

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Yes. We should.

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Jun 11 at 2017 1:20 PM

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Yes to your question, but don't stop there.
Next question; "HOW"?

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 13 at 2017 3:46 AM

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When did it stop being said at the start of every day?

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Jun 13 at 2017 6:11 AM

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Pledge yes. Prayer no.

Response by SFC Thomas Holcomb made Jun 13 at 2017 1:07 PM

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I was at a graduation the other day at a elementary school. I was so glad and proud that they did just before classes started. I was in the gym with others waiting for the graduation when this and a moment of silence was asked. But there's always a butt, I noticed a group of folks that did not stand are remain silent, everyone was so proud of me for not choke slamming someone. If you don't want to stand and show respect then sit there shut the hell up!!! Next time I are a brother are sister my not be so restrained. Thank God for meds

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made Jun 15 at 2017 6:37 PM

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You'd have to teach them the words, but yes bring it back and quick.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2017 10:57 PM

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i am a lucky father, my boy was in preschool this previous year, and they recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, and at his preschool "graduation" ceremony they recited it for the whole gathering! ! !

Response by SFC Brian Gillum made Jun 16 at 2017 9:51 AM

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I agree on the condition that it is the original Pledge as written by the author (who was a minister, by the way); not the McCarthy era version.

Response by MAJ Kevin Miller made Jun 16 at 2017 9:52 AM

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In Missouri we pledge allegiance to our flag daily in school. In fact, state law requires we conduct the pledge daily, and all students are encouraged to participate.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2017 2:48 PM

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When I was in high school they still did it in Kansas. But that was 2011. I doubt it has changed much since then.

Response by SSG Howard Dennard made Jun 22 at 2017 12:59 AM

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Hell Yes! It shows respect for our country

Response by Cpl Rich Studebaker made Jun 22 at 2017 5:08 PM

2017-06-22T17:08:27-04:00

My boys say it every day at school..

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Jun 26 at 2017 2:28 PM

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Of course. You teach young people from an early age to be proud to be American starting with respect to the flag. Notice why the younger generation step on it and burn it. It pisses me off. It should start with the parents.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jun 27 at 2017 9:03 AM

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Yes. The fact is, I don't care what God you believe in or how you refer to him or her, the term GOD should fit any religion. This nation was founded on religious freedoms, and that stands true today no matter what God or Gods you may worship. You are pledging allegiance to this great country not to any particular god. We need to come together as one, not splintered groups over religion.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2017 2:29 AM

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I don't think forcing people to lie about their feelings towards the country is a good thing.
If people don't want to say the oath, but are forced to, what is the point if they don't mean it? Chances are that it will just serve to antagonize them.

I think giving those that want to, a chance to do so, is good and those that don't want to? Well, that would be a problem for the teachers. There really could be any number of reasons.

Some might not feel like they're Americans, and they might not be - we have to acknowledge that some people live in the USA with no intentions of being Americans, and perhaps giving people the opportunity not to say the pledge can help the teachers to help the students learn more about being Americans instead of risking to antagonize the students by forcing them to recite an oath.

I recently spoke to an associate of mine who is rather young and graduated High-school just a few years ago, but she claims she had to do the pledge daily - so I'm surprised to hear that it is gone?

Response by PO2 Mike Fredrickson made Jun 29 at 2017 3:40 AM

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Absolutely

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Jun 30 at 2017 8:40 AM

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If you stop and look at what is going on in schools, it isn't just the lack of the Pledge of Allegiance, it is most importantly the lack of the US Flag in every classroom! Not to mention the push to take "Under God" out of the Pledge! And there are other institutions missing too. What was the Christmas Break is now the Winter break, the Easter Break is now the spring Break, mandatory classes such as History are now elective, and it goes on and on. Some day, when you have the opportunity to talk to the young people of today, they have no clue who we fought in WWI, or WWII or the Civil War. See if they know anything about the Vietnam War. Or the Korean War.

I remember Khrushchev speaking at the UN when I was a kid, and I remember him saying, we do not have to fight the US, just give us 2 or three generations of your children by control and influence of your schools, and we will own the US. Think about it, and I think the NEA has been doing that very thing!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2017 8:47 AM

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My kids still say the pledge every morning in school.

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Jun 30 at 2017 8:24 PM

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I have spoken to Muslim parents, and they say "yes"! We should give reverence to God every day. It's these atheists who hate God and want him out of their lives including their children's lives as well. They are tax payers. I say we have atheist schools. I know there are big towns that can support this idea. Then we can do sociological experiments, and prove that our godly children are happier than the worldly ones.

Response by AN Christopher Crayne made Jul 2 at 2017 4:45 PM

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Absolutely for me no question.

Response by PO3 John Faria made Jul 3 at 2017 2:01 PM

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Lord knows, out of respect.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 3 at 2017 2:13 PM

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It never should have left COL Mikel J. Burroughs

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2017 11:03 AM

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Yes it should. It helps to instill a pride on our great nation.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2017 3:38 PM

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Never should have been removed in the first place.

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made Jul 14 at 2017 1:58 PM

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Should we? It's still in schools. We do the Pledge every class period, every day plus we have a moment of silence for prayer here in Nevada.

Response by LCpl Michael Parker made Jul 15 at 2017 4:20 AM

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Yes it should at least through High School .... It is part of History, it is not an Idol symbol it is a living reminder of sacrafise(s) made by men & women who came before us an by men & women who are continuing to serve and sacrafise today. (I also beleive that it is relavent to show the Red Skeliton Video of the Pleadge of Allegiance to the young/youth).

Response by SSG Steven Mangus made Jul 15 at 2017 6:44 AM

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To some it up, YES!! There should be no excuse for pledge not being said in schools..

Response by Cpl Servando Velasquez made Jul 22 at 2017 3:54 PM

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I am an educator and a former US Marine in deep South Texas, deep as in "on the Border". My school districts is over 98% economically disadvantaged and bilingually instructed. However, the level of patriotism is unmatched and unrivaled! For the past 12 years I've been an educator in various schools throughout my school district and never have I seen any faltering in the instilling of these values to students as young as kindergartners who are able to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and the Star Spangled Banner! Nevertheless, you can rest assure that there are "Gate Keepers" out there keeping this alive through our Semper Fidelis!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2017 8:22 AM

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I'd say bring it back we need to bring some severance back into our youth and this a good place to start

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 25 at 2017 8:34 AM

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Like it or not this is America's non-denominational prayer. If you don't like it stand there in silence. If you don't like the word "God" don't say it. It's about time are children got back to the basics.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Jul 31 at 2017 3:14 PM

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Hell yes!

Response by PO1 Leo Scott made Aug 1 at 2017 1:45 PM

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The Pledge is an affirmation of loyalty. Our children and grand children should be taught honor and loyalty. If you are not a citizen of the USA you should stand at attention and be silent while the pledge is given. This shows respect for but not allegiance to the country.

Response by Sgt Charles Malcom made Aug 1 at 2017 8:30 PM

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I, like you, Colonel Burroughs, recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, starting in the 3rd Grade. Of course, I started 1st grade in 1938 and WWII began in December of 1941. At the time we were living in Fayetteville, NC and Fort Bragg was just up the road from there. Even at that young age we knew what that Pledge stood for. When you are surrounded by thousands of 82nd Airborne Division jumpers you do your best to stand tall all the time. I started selling the NY News in the base Hospital when I was in the 5th grade, getting home after 1900 every day. Seeing all those very young "boys" lying in bed with casts on both legs or arms and legs tends to wake you up, even at a young age. All the elementary schools in Fayetteville taught 4th, 5th, & 6th grade children to knit and we knitted literally thousands of 4 X 4 inch squares that were turned over to the ladies in town who made them into blankets for the base hospital. Families in town would go to the USO and invite soldiers to their home for dinner. Even as a young boy I made a lot of friends with those men (boys) and kept in touch with a few of them during the war and even after the war. The Pledge of Allegiance should never have been removed from schools. We also had prayer in the schools then, but the liberals with their Political Correctness decided that we should not hurt the feelings of even just one person who objected, and today's children, teenagers, are being denied the rights that all these millions of men and women sacrificed life, limb, and "brains" for. May God Bless America Again!

Response by Sgt Martin Querin made Aug 2 at 2017 12:42 PM

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Absolutely, but first we would have to teach most teachers and administrators in many public schools what it means.

Response by SGT Bill Jacobson made Aug 2 at 2017 4:30 PM

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The Pledge of Allegience had never left public schools in The Old Dominion of Virginia. By law, every public school begins each school day with The Pledge.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Aug 2 at 2017 5:43 PM

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Response by PFC Timothy Ahern made Aug 7 at 2017 6:20 AM

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It should have never been removed to start with !!!!!

Response by SSgt Christopher Mortell made Aug 10 at 2017 12:09 AM

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Yes. Unequivocally.

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Aug 10 at 2017 10:27 AM

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I didn't know they took it out. My daughter and son seems to know it so I would assumed they say it every morning at school

Response by Sgt Martin Querin made Aug 13 at 2017 10:03 PM

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Bring it back!

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Aug 17 at 2017 2:49 PM

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We need to bring back a sense of pride and Americanism. There is no longer a clear understanding of what it means to be an American.

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Aug 19 at 2017 4:30 PM

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You can bring it back but if Little Johnny decides he doesn't want to pledge and sit's down in protest there is nothing you can do about it. However it has been known for others in Johnny's class to have a talk with him after school to point out the error of his ways. That works pretty well if I remember right.

Response by Dennis Aubuchon made Aug 21 at 2017 8:27 PM

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I feel there is much that is no longer in our schools today and the pledge of Allegiance is just one thing among many others. our schools have become more of an indoctrination rather than a learning environment. The content of subjects being taught today is not like years ago. History has been changed to be politically correct and content of various subjects have been altered or not taught at all like understanding how government works and our rights as individuals not as some teachers or instructors would like us to believe.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2017 4:19 AM

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yes

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Aug 29 at 2017 9:31 AM

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Absolutely. Teach the kids how to handle a flag, how to fold it. Take them to a veterans cemetery and teach them what those men and women died for. Get them enrolled in a scouting program so that they learn self-reliance and cohesiveness as well as how to belong to a values based organization. I wore my scout uniform with pride and that carried over into my military service.

Response by SSgt Holden M. made Aug 30 at 2017 1:53 PM

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I'm all for the pledge of allegiance in our schools. Luckily my little hometown area where we are living they still say the pledge of allegiance. I personally think and feel that people as a whole are becoming more separated and more out for just their selves. I'm going to try and keep myself from getting up on my soap box but we are the united states for a reason. We already had the civil war stop trying to separate each other before we end up having another one. We have bigger fish to fry like North Korea. We are the United States of America not the separate states of america and there is no segregation so just stop trying to say you are better then somebody else. If you are a citizen of the united states if you were born here or took the test and became a citizen you are an american and stop with all the crap.

Response by SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. made Sep 1 at 2017 11:50 AM

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Despite what the mainstream media says...it's still in school. My sister says it, my old school district says it, my cousins schools district says it. I think if it has gone away its from liberal areas and schools in big cities. Just my personal thought nothing to support my claim.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2017 11:45 AM

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I voted to keep it out of schools, and when I was a child I did not recite it (one because I am a atheist and two I am a Native American, my family views of this are very different than most here for hopefully obvious reasons). One thing that I will never be okay with, is forcing children to recite the line, "one nation under God". To me school should focus on education and producing creative, independent free critical thinking individuals (which I know in it's self is a oxymoron, due to the way that public school are structured). However in a publicly funded school it has no place, period. It's a public school, not a boot camp, not a church, it is filled with people from all different backgrounds, beliefs systems, views and ethnicity. Now if it is a private military academy were a parent is sending their child or a private school, they are free to instill any rules that they wish to.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2017 6:01 AM

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This debate started in 1943, while we were in WWII. It was written in 1892 by a socialist. It is not a new debate.
As service members, we have a particular connection to the flag and pledge. We've lived and risked our life for this country and simply cannot understand that those whom we serve can not in return have some of the same loyalty. However, as distasteful as it is, whether or not to participate is part of the First Amendment.
Though, I think this debate is much smaller than we think, heightened by mass media's whim of the day. My son has gone to 6 elementary schools and 3 middle schools from Germany to Hawaii, and every school had the children say the pledge.

Response by SGT Ed Alemany made Sep 9 at 2017 1:04 PM

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It should have NEVER left!

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2017 4:02 PM

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Yes we must. We live in America.

Response by Maj Robert Dudley made Sep 13 at 2017 2:26 PM

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We are what we focus on. This is why, as a success coach, I encourage my clients to hang with positive people and avoid negative people. I believe globalist and communists have largely taken over our educational systems. It is in their best interests to not let our young be patriotic and desire to put America first. Therefore, it is imperative we help our children to understand what America is really about and to help them completely identify as Americans.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2017 7:49 PM

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I'm fine with the pledge, if there is taught meaning behind it and allow those that don't wish to participate to stand respectfully while it's being done. There are those that have religious reasons for not participating, those that just don't want to, and a vast majority that will want to.
It would help if we put it back to its original form.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Sep 24 at 2017 9:08 AM

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The Red Skeleton version brings a tear to my eye every time I see and hear it!!

Response by LtCol Andrew Horne made Sep 24 at 2017 2:14 PM

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THIS IS A FALSE QUESTION - many public schools still do the pledge of allegiance.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2017 6:37 PM

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I just graduated from high school and I will say that the school I went to requires everyone to say the pledge every morning before class starts which a few years ago it was only every monday

Response by LTC Michael Staves made Oct 7 at 2017 4:23 AM

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Most definitely bring it back. Many have died for our flag and the left is attempting to wipe out our Nation's identity.

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made Oct 7 at 2017 7:44 AM

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It should have never been taken out of schools. I also feel that every student should stand up during the pledge. I know that for religious reasons there are many religions that will not pledge to a flag(nation) their pledge is to God. For this reason I never made the kids say the pledge but they definitely had to stand.

Response by MSG Richard Cooper, PMP, SIPM, CMAS made Oct 7 at 2017 11:37 PM

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We said the Pledge, had the National Anthem played and a moment of silent meditation in high school 66-69. In grade school we had The Lord's Prayer, all else remained the same.

Response by MAJ David Brand made Oct 9 at 2017 2:30 PM

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Thanks for sharing!

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Oct 14 at 2017 10:45 PM

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yep!...and prayer in schools!

Response by 1SG John B. Enlow made Oct 19 at 2017 6:36 PM

2017-10-19T18:36:21-04:00

Absolutely!

Response by SGT Beth Day made Oct 21 at 2017 10:13 PM

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I hate posts like these because they seem to be simply designed to stir up "righteous indignation". Because the reality is, the pledge IS recited in schools.

Response by SP5 Fred Cosner made Oct 24 at 2017 10:59 PM

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My wife has taught school from thirty years she just retired and during all through years never once has she been in a school that stopped saying the pledge. So many still do perhaps the big cities are against it.

Response by COL David S. made Oct 25 at 2017 5:48 PM

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Americans should be thankful for what they enjoy in the most free and open country in the world. God has blessed us and the pledge and prayer should be part of every morning in all public schools.

Response by Sgt Jerry Genesio made Oct 28 at 2017 6:01 PM

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We should bring it back but only if we eliminate the phrase "and justice for all" until there truly is justice for all in the United States.

Response by 1stSgt Jack Closson made Nov 9 at 2017 9:40 PM

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I'm mixed on this issue, we said it at the schools I was at, but there were some who only did it sloppily. BTW, everyone knows that it was an idea that was started by a Socialist at the beginning of the 1900's?

Response by SSG Garrett O'Brien made Nov 10 at 2017 12:29 PM

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Growing up it was always

“I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

When they took God out of schools and everything else, there a large decrease in respect, courtesy and self control.

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Nov 14 at 2017 10:15 AM

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In a word, yes.

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 15 at 2017 2:22 PM

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My kids will say the pledge, at least I hope they do. Pledging yourself to ones country doesn't mean you support the current administration, but rather the ideals the country stands for. Mark Twain said it best when he said "patriotism is loyalty to country always, loyalty to government when its deserved" or something like that. That being said, one of the most un-American things we can do is force patriotism down peoples throats and tell them what they should believe.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2017 5:48 PM

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It never left

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Nov 15 at 2017 5:52 PM

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yes

Response by Sgt Patrick Behrens made Nov 16 at 2017 9:22 AM

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I don't agree with forced patriotism. And the Supreme Court has already ruled that you cannot make people vote the pledge. The post 50s pledge is also not ok. This country is a melting pot of differing beliefs so saying "under god" is not something I agree with. You can believe in whatever god you want to believe in so long as your beliefs don't involve infringing on the rights of others.

Response by SFC Eric Williams made Nov 16 at 2017 9:38 AM

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Yes, Yes, YES. and rename prayer to quiet time and bring that back too. great question Thanks.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Nov 16 at 2017 3:25 PM

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Yes...simply YES!!

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 17 at 2017 8:31 PM

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Schools in my county do every morning. This Mondays me and several other members of my VFW taught three classes (3rh, 4th, and 5th grades) flag etiquette. We also put up flags in classrooms with no charge to schools.

Response by LCpl James Robertson made Nov 18 at 2017 6:44 PM

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Col. Mikel Burroughs, I attended my granddaughters elementary school award program about two weeks ago, after we were all seated in the Auditorium, we was asked to cross our hearts and repeat back the Pledge Of Allegiance, I didn't see anything wrong with that, after all I were in the All American City near Fort Bragg, N.C. But as a Christian, I felt empty when no form of prayers were given.

Response by CPT Don Meaker made Nov 18 at 2017 8:58 PM

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No. The PofA was written by Francis Bellamy, a socialist.

Response by PO3 Don Goracke made Nov 22 at 2017 8:13 PM

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Of course

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 5:50 PM

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We did it everyday when I was in school, from Pre-K to 12th Grade. We also had the Texas pledge of Allegiance. Students shouldn't forced to recite it, like for Foreign Exchange kids and what not, but it grinds my gears to see people who wouldn't stand up.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made Nov 27 at 2017 10:55 PM

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Bring it back? It never left! If you think some law has been passed to prohibit the saying the Pledge of Allegiance in schools, you are the victim of a political hoax!
Also, please note that each State, not the Federal Government, sets its own policy regarding use of the Pledge of Allegiance. 43 States have statues REQUIRING the recital of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. The 7 States that do not have laws REQUIRING the Pledge of Allegiance are: Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Nebraska, Oregon, Vermont, and Wyoming. If your kids go to school in any of those seven States, they probably still say the Pledge of Allegiance, but that would be up to the School Districts to decide.
You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.

Response by SGT George Smith made Nov 27 at 2017 10:55 PM

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Absolutely.

Response by SPC Gary Hunt made Nov 29 at 2017 9:03 PM

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yes

Response by SPC Robert Coventry made Dec 1 at 2017 12:13 AM

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Absolutely

Response by SSG James Shaffer made Dec 1 at 2017 1:15 PM

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I believe in my nation and it should be honored. I have visited many countries around the world and none was close to being a country as great as the United States of America.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Dec 2 at 2017 2:45 PM

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A big resounding "Yes!"

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Dec 3 at 2017 9:20 AM

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It never left. It depends on where you live and the attitude of that city/state about the flag and the military. Where I live, our school district still says the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 3 at 2017 10:13 PM

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You know, I can entirely understand why such a concept as questioning it was ever raised, however, in an earlier social era that'd never even have happened, in all likelihood. I realize this isn't the 1930s-1950s, with its more simplistic values of the period, perhaps, however, one tends to get wistful of a society that'd set such admittedly simplistic viewpoints aside in favor of what might on the other hand be deemed a socially more enlightened view. Something, I think, tends to be lost in doing so, I've read articles where kids would be allowed to dispute being required, I've seen such articles, or heard of such instances numerous times. Either that, or the parents for whatever reason agreed, and helped their kids take the matter to a court, and while as I'd said, I entirely understand he reason sociologically why such things happen, the very rationale that gives rise to such instances tends to rather leave !e flat, I'm afraid. As was also mentioned elsewhere here, I had to think about that one, as, when I'd been in school as a kid, it was never even remotely questioned, at least that I ever saw, so far as I can ever recall, just some thoughts, i realize that not everyone hear might necessarily agree, hope was of interest, many thanks.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 3 at 2017 10:14 PM

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I suppose, as I'd said, a wistful sense of nostalgia washes over me, in having to contemplate the concept, you know, just a further thought for whatever it might be worth, many thanks.

Response by COL John McClellan made Dec 4 at 2017 9:59 PM

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When did it leave???

Response by SGT Jesse Pokora made Dec 7 at 2017 4:21 PM

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The heart of the issue isn’t allegiance.

It’s the anxiety you feel about “them.”

And you don’t like these kinds of feelings. So it turns to anger.

And it also turns into building a sense of inner security by getting more of “us” together in opposition to “them.”

At the end of the day it’s all about your anxious feelings.

Everything else is just rationalizations.

Response by SGT Jesse Pokora made Dec 7 at 2017 4:32 PM

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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/pledge-allegiance-pr-gimmick-patriotic-vow-180956332/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=socialmedia

It’s original intent was to keep Americans pure from the values of “inferior races.”

It’s meant to be a tactic of exclusion. A way to make people look even more like “them.”

Our greatest accest has always been our diversity.

All this does is radicalize our more conservative brothern into being even more forceful about being “American.”

Which suppressed the various perspectives that give our culture its truest edge over others...

Our ability to foster the best parts of all of our diverse perspectives.

How the Pledge of Allegiance Went From PR Gimmick to Patriotic Vow

Francis Bellamy had no idea how famous, and controversial, his quick ditty would become

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2017 9:29 AM

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This is a very easy way to start to teach our future about our nation.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2017 11:53 PM

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Bring it back into the schools and our countries history. Kids now days ain;t got no clue about how this land was started or where it is going.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2017 12:37 PM

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I'm not seeing that forcing kids to recite it would in any regard instill a true sense of patriotism. It's just another thing they don't want to do.

The "under God" portion was put in there specifically promote religion, so there's not a legal basis to make someone participate; but anyone not participating will typically be harassed. I'd rather it not be in the public schools at all so that the focus is on our children and their development; not on our religious agendas.

Response by CPO Todd Talbot made Dec 30 at 2017 8:49 AM

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This is one of those major misconceptions that just won't go away. The pledge is still said in the majority of school districts around the country. People ignore this and focus on the "OMG the world's going to end" sensationalistic version.

Response by Cpl Robert Crockett made Dec 31 at 2017 10:37 AM

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I don't see the Pledge as a workable option, and for the same reason that standing for the National Anthem at ball games is likewise unworkable. Those that stand and pledge are less important than those doing the protesting! Government policy is to punish those that support the government -- Pavlov's Dog in reverse.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Jan 3 at 2018 5:08 PM

2018-01-03T17:08:58-05:00

In God We Trust should be put back on the face of damn coins.

Response by SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint made Jan 3 at 2018 7:24 PM

2018-01-03T19:24:00-05:00

Depends on if we should be patriotic or should we not be appreciative of our country? That could change if you lived overseas in a less fun country.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2018 8:33 PM

2018-01-03T20:33:53-05:00

A free country wouldn't have a loyalty oath for children to recite.
An pledge should mean something so a child who can't consent shouldn't do one and if they are not saying a pledge of their own free will than it is truly indoctrination that a free country should have no part of.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2018 1:25 PM

2018-01-06T13:25:59-05:00

LMAO what predictable results

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2018 1:26 PM

2018-01-08T13:26:56-05:00

My grandson is in 2nd grade and they receive the Pledge everyday. He attends a public school. SCOTUS has already decided on mandatory participation.

Response by Rebecca Bryant made Jan 12 at 2018 10:25 PM

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I am a substitute teacher in Central Texas. Every school I have been to says the American Pledge, Texas Pledge, and has a moment of silence for reflection or prayer. I think this should be commonplace in all schools.

Response by LTC John Bush made Jan 16 at 2018 4:18 PM

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EVERY DAY IN HARRIS COUNTY GEORGIA. If enough people demand it local school boards will have no choice this is in the hands of the people. " we have met the enemy and they are us"POGO

Response by MAJ Bruce Carriker made Jan 19 at 2018 9:03 AM

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I am astounded...appalled, actually...that polls like this are out there. The lack of informed participation in public dialogue is one of the things that is doing great harm to our country. People need to know what they're talking about. If not, they need to state plainly, THIS IS MY UNINFORMED OPINION.

Here are the FACTS about the Pledge of Allegiance:
The Pledge of Allegiance is still required in schools in 36 states.
In 6 states, local school districts have the option to require it.
In 8 states, there is no law concerning the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Pledge of Allegiance is banned from schools in ZERO states.

So my question is this: Where did the Pledge of Allegiance go?

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 19 at 2018 9:13 AM

2018-01-19T09:13:29-05:00

here's my take, we need to have a real discussion on what it means to be an American (United States) and why it's essential to have pride in our way of life. We can certainly teach the pledge of allegiance and all that but there's no requirement to know this it's always been a suggestion. Truth be told we adopted the pledge as a way to show our patriotism, but prior to that we just carried on smartly. Does that mean the folks before the adoption were less patriotic? The Star Spangled Banner wasn't an anthem till after 1812, does that mean the Founding Fathers were not fully engaged in our causes? What I have a problem with is why people who refuse to acknowledge these pieces of our heritage do so. They are being taught other allegiances outside of God or not having pride in a nation that has come so far to live up to their sworn principles of equality and freedom. That to me carries more weight.

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 19 at 2018 9:40 AM

2018-01-19T09:40:28-05:00

These things were so much easier when we were killing commies for our momies...

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2018 11:59 AM

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No one should be compelled to recite a loyalty pledge to the flag. If students want to obviously they should be allowed to. But it shouldn’t be part of the indoctrination of our students in public schools. It’s a rather authoritarian practice of the government is coercing students to say it.

In a free country civilians do not have to make loyalty pledges. When you listen to the words it really doesn’t make sense anyway. Why Pledge allegiance to a national symbol like the flag? The flag can change one day. Makes more sense to pledge allegiance to the people of the United States of America. We’re what really matters, not our government symbols.

Just my take on it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2018 11:40 AM

2018-01-23T11:40:32-05:00

No, the pledge is an option, not a requirement.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Jan 25 at 2018 12:24 PM

2018-01-25T12:24:14-05:00

I've been teaching for coming up on 15 years, and we as a school say it every morning.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2018 10:42 AM

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This is a difficult one. I was raised doing it. But there is the whole 1st Amendment thing. USSC says it is protected right to do things such as flag burning and, sigh....kneeling during the anthem, so why should we force people to state the Pledge, especially considering elementary school children don't really know what they're saying. It's almost in line with religion - get em young before they understand what's going on.
The Pledge builds nationalism. Which is touchy right now. Places like Afghanistan and Kosovo, have zero sense of nationalism - its all tribes or ethnicity. Places like Germany have suffered in the past from too much nationalism. I suggest we allow students to choose for themselves if they will say it, but if they choose not to - they better shut the hell up about it.

If we could have a perfect world we wouldn't need nationalism, we could just be part of the planet like literally every other species. However the entire world wants to change everyone else to be more like them. ISIS wants this, Russia wants that, We want is another way. Nothing says any of it is right (though our seems to be closer to right, I think Iceland and Canada personally are doing the best). You can't force someone to love the country and give everything for it. The Russians and Germans tried. We have to remember that society is changing, evolving if you will, and older things are coming to pass. People can freely bash their own country and burn the flag, anti-religion is out in the open and not immediately burnt at the stake, idiots are denying vaccines (I still dont get that one and if you're one of em, stay away from my family and me), hell both Korea's are playing on the SAME HOCKEY TEAM for the Olympics!
Change is hard, but necessary.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jan 28 at 2018 3:53 AM

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I remmeber watching the Red Skelton show growing up in the 50s and 60s. His one show where he explained the Pledge of Alligence was my favorite. As a young boy in elementary school, junior high and high schools, we said the pledge every morning. Now as a retired military member, living in Alaska, I usually walk my dog by the high school near my house in the morning, to hear the PA system announce the pledge and the student saying it over the PA speakers. Why have so many schools stopped saying the pledge? Are they ashamed to be Americans? Have they losted not only faith in our country's flag, the country itself as a republic and God? Has Common Core education become so envogue, that our children no longer are taught the Pledge of Alligence? Pro football players kneel for the National Anthem as a protest. The NFL has banned veterans groups advertisement to Stand for the Anthem during the Super Bowl, this year. I'm very proud my youngest daughter is in JROTC. She takes part in the colour guard and flag raising and retreat ceremonies each day. I glad she is proud to be an American. P. S. Thank you COl Burroughs, for posting the segment from Red Skelton's Show explaining the American Pledge of Alligence.

Response by SPC Dejan Smaic made Feb 4 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-02-04T11:29:06-05:00

The pledge is said at my grade school and my son, a 5tf grader, is the class reminder

Response by SGT Vito DeGregorio made Feb 5 at 2018 10:04 AM

2018-02-05T10:04:45-05:00

I never knew it had ever left!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2018 9:22 PM

2018-02-06T21:22:59-05:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fQl5Ms_Kk

Red Skelton, The Pledge of Allegiance explained word by word.

The following words were spoken by the late Red Skelton on his television program, January 14, 1969, as he related the story of his teacher, Mr. Laswell, who...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 6:02 PM

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The High School where my office is, still says the Pledge of Allegiance every morning. Maybe that's why here on Guam we have such a high rate where young individuals respect the nation, flag, and enlist into the military today.

Response by CW3 Jeff Held made Feb 13 at 2018 1:12 AM

2018-02-13T01:12:13-05:00

You bet.

Response by Amn Travis Hudson made Feb 17 at 2018 9:06 AM

2018-02-17T09:06:37-05:00

What's this "End Times" nonsense?

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 5 at 2018 4:03 AM

2018-03-05T04:03:59-05:00

It never left the schools in my state. Where has it left the schools?

Response by A1C Michael King made Mar 6 at 2018 1:16 PM

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The United States of America is unique among the nations of the world as a nation of laws, not of men. Charismatic personalities and crowned heads rule other nations--the Constitution of the United States rules America. That cherished document, in its Bill of Rights, guarantees to each citizen the right to decide for itself what values it will espouse and how it will express those values. As long as no rights of others are infringed upon by such expression, everything is within bounds.

Some citizens have embraced religious ideals that forbid the taking of oaths such as the Pledge of Allegiance. Forcing all children in America to recite this Pledge, however well intentioned, serves only to strain and rend the fabric of American society at a time when national unity is in danger of ultimate failure. National spirit is at present greatly divided along political and economic lines. The enforcement of oaths is a practice reminiscent of only the darkest days of the most oppressive regimes in our world's history: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, and the United States of the McCarthy Era. It will not unite but instead will further divide an already greatly polarized America.

For these reasons, I chose the last choice in this poll: "Allow students to participate if they want or not!" In a "free country", it is the only acceptable option.

Response by SPC Paul C. made Mar 6 at 2018 10:18 PM

2018-03-06T22:18:39-05:00

Bring it back to our schools

Response by SGT James Clark made Mar 7 at 2018 9:39 AM

2018-03-07T09:39:47-05:00

Yes, we should bring it back, it should have never been taken out of our schools right along with god. When I went to school we started our day with a prayer and the pledge maybe this is what kids need nowadays in their life's and while we are at it lets bring parenting back also.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2018 9:10 PM

2018-03-10T21:10:54-05:00

The pledge, prayers, and golden rule should never have been taken out of school to begin with. Those that were offended by the practices should have been told tough if you dont like it move to another country this country was built on God and Christian beliefs

Response by SGT Nathan G. made Mar 20 at 2018 11:57 AM

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I always loved reciting the Pledge Of Allegiance. I did it from Elementary School until my junior year. This year I'm at Sun Technical Institute. They don't do it, but I wish they would make time for it every morning...

Response by Cpl Steven Brewer made Mar 22 at 2018 2:22 PM

2018-03-22T14:22:54-04:00

What are you talking about?

The PoA is still done in the vast majority of schools....even so, it is not needed to be patriotic.

As for prayer, it needs to be kept out of schools. School is for learning, of you want to pray...do it in a Church, there are hundreds of thousands.

Anyway, you are supposed to pray in private, not public....read your bible.

Better yet, read the U.S. Constitution!

Response by SPC Trina Cox made Mar 22 at 2018 9:19 PM

2018-03-22T21:19:55-04:00

I can't believe we ever took it of schools to begin with!!!

Response by SFC Keith Frain made Mar 22 at 2018 11:53 PM

2018-03-22T23:53:13-04:00

Sir, This is why I love that my kids go to school on Fort Sam Houston! Pledge of Allegiance every day, as well as the Texas pledge. Been that way since Pre-K

Response by Sgt Jeffrey Warner made Mar 24 at 2018 4:24 PM

2018-03-24T16:24:29-04:00

It give a sense of pride and resprct. All things lacking in today's young people.

Response by CPT Clay Autery made Apr 1 at 2018 10:56 PM

2018-04-01T22:56:18-04:00

I believe in Liberty, so I think it should be voluntary.
I also believe in opportunity, thus everyone should be given the opportunity to choose whether to recite the Pledge or not.... frequently.
I believe in respect, both in the giving and receiving, thus folks should SHOW respect by standing for the Pledge, the anthem, and the raising and/or lowering of the colors. I respect those who show respect for others, directly and via proxy by showing respect for those things others treasure.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2018 10:55 PM

2018-04-02T22:55:38-04:00

Shouldn't have ever left the schools.

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made Apr 8 at 2018 11:08 PM

2018-04-08T23:08:35-04:00

Yea they should put it back in. Its these anti American liberal bastards that took it out. I said it all through my school days and it made feel better.

Response by SGT Louie Santana made Apr 11 at 2018 1:20 AM

2018-04-11T01:20:15-04:00

Wasn’t aware they ever stopped reciting it. My kids in different ages, grades still do it.

Response by CW4 Charles Dawson made Apr 15 at 2018 7:46 PM

2018-04-15T19:46:50-04:00

If I was an American business man in a foreign country, and my children went to a foreign school, would I expect them to make a pledge to the foreign country's flag?

Response by SGT John Hemenway made Apr 26 at 2018 9:21 PM

2018-04-26T21:21:08-04:00

I support the pledge, so long as it is the original Pledge of Allegiance as it was first written.

Response by CPL Luke Saunders made May 19 at 2018 5:10 PM

2018-05-19T17:10:21-04:00

We don't need Proof Of Loyalty displays any longer. You want to get your rocks off that way? R EA and Catch-22.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made May 20 at 2018 1:42 PM

2018-05-20T13:42:37-04:00

Actually, the question is irrelevant because the Pledge of Allegiance was never taken away.
Someone has been perpetrating a political hoax to stir people up.
The Pledge of Allegiance is still recited each morning in most, if not all, Public Schools across the country. 43 States, in fact, have laws that REQUIRE educators to lead their classes in the Pledge of Allegiance each morning.

Response by SGT Charles H. Hawes made May 20 at 2018 3:44 PM

2018-05-20T15:44:43-04:00

We absolutely need to have the pledge of allegiance back in our schools. I was raised on military bases and i served this country. I'm with you on this Marty. Some people just want to be butt hurt .

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made May 20 at 2018 5:00 PM

2018-05-20T17:00:02-04:00

I SAY, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS: WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made May 20 at 2018 7:42 PM

2018-05-20T19:42:47-04:00

COL Mikel J. Burroughs I see the End Time move easing in. In my area the Pledge of Allegiance and Prayer are no where to be found in the public schools around me. Except, the private schools embrace the foundations. Now, it seems that school shootings are gaining momentum. But I remember when prayer and allegiance were present in the schools, the schools felt like hallowed ground and the all-knowing to respect the grounds was regal.

It had been 1 year ago this was posted. This is my first encounter with it. Divine Providence is showing me things have gotten worse because more attention and fury is around gun legislation and not the innocent, human carnage of teachers and students.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made May 23 at 2018 6:32 PM

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I know this post is over a year old but I want to bring it forward once again. With Memorial Day approaching in a few days we might all want to be somewhat outspoken on this issue. Anyone with any interest, please query a few young people, maybe jr. high and lower, or even high school as well. Ask the question: "Why do we observe Memorial Day? What does Memorial Day represent? What do you, specifically, think about Memorial Day?" The responses may surprise us all, might be depressing. As Colonel Burroughs would say, "Why Not?" The Pledge of Allegiance should absolutely be recited daily, first thing each morning, in every school in the country to include all territories and possessions. This should be in place staring in preschool/K-12 and maybe institutions of higher education as well. I don't know, maybe public gatherings as well. I went to the Friends of The NRA dinner last weekend and was pleased with the opening. The Pledge was recited, with gusto, by all 400 attendees followed by a raucous singing of OUR National Anthem (The Star Spangled Banner.) Why not every where?

Response by Commissar Tachanka made May 23 at 2018 8:04 PM

2018-05-23T20:04:58-04:00

Kids should participate if they want to or not. Keep it voluntary, however kids that's want do it. Do it!I love my country, my people, and most of all the lord.

Response by SGT Rick Colburn made May 23 at 2018 8:27 PM

2018-05-23T20:27:14-04:00

Hell yes should never have been taken out of the schools to start with why our country is going to hell that and the rotten politicians some are stupid and dumb enough to vote for

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2018 10:26 PM

2018-05-23T22:26:09-04:00

What! When did they take it out!?

Response by Barbara Mckinnis made May 26 at 2018 8:36 PM

2018-05-26T20:36:20-04:00

Yes!!!! Our kids need God back in our public schools for their safety

Response by MSgt Dale Johnson made May 28 at 2018 10:00 AM

2018-05-28T10:00:41-04:00

After retirement I worked for one of the largest school districts in Ohio for 20 years. They say the pledge every morning, most students participate and those that don't do not interfere with those that do.

Response by Barbara Mckinnis made May 30 at 2018 10:58 AM

2018-05-30T10:58:24-04:00

Yes we should. I've always said, if you take God out of the equation you will always have trouble in your life. This is why our public schools are unsafe and our children are not covered by the blood.

Response by Barbara Mckinnis made Jun 2 at 2018 11:56 AM

2018-06-02T11:56:09-04:00

How can you give students the right to decide if they want to participate in the pledge of allegions or not? Do they truly know it's meaning?

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2018 5:20 PM

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Dont know where you are at but here in GA, they still have it. The radio station plays kids saying every morning from different schools/grades.

Response by Jessica Luebke made Jun 6 at 2018 3:36 PM

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My children attend a Traditional school, at which all grades, kindergarten through 8th grade, day the pledge at a flag ceremony every day of the school year. We also have several special ceremonies for veterans and local service people. They also learn and publicly recite the Star Spangled Banner in kinder and deliver a recital of the constitution's preamble in 3rd grade. We choose to attend and be part of an academic community that stands by our country. I'm grateful my girls know this as their academic foundation! COL Mikel J. Burroughs

Response by PO2 Rob Rundquist made Jun 17 at 2018 5:14 PM

2018-06-17T17:14:03-04:00

It's an abomination if was ever taken out of schools!!

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Jun 21 at 2018 9:24 PM

2018-06-21T21:24:05-04:00

100% yes !

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made Jun 28 at 2018 2:40 PM

2018-06-28T14:40:47-04:00

It left??? F***ing liberals.

Response by SSgt William (Bill) Pangrass made Jul 2 at 2018 10:56 AM

2018-07-02T10:56:20-04:00

Never had a problem with it, but forced allegiance means nothing. It should be voluntary with no ridicule if you do or don’t.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2018 1:56 PM

2018-07-18T13:56:19-04:00

Only if the religious amendment is removed.

Response by SGT William Pockrus made Aug 6 at 2018 7:39 PM

2018-08-06T19:39:02-04:00

I’m smiling....what do the results tell you? We are cowards if we don’t do this....parents can move to another country if they don’t like it. It’s about time for we, who are the majority, take a stand and not let the “traitors” rule ....

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Aug 6 at 2018 7:47 PM

2018-08-06T19:47:03-04:00

"Should we bring back the Pledge of Allegiance?" yep!

Response by Jeremy Berglund made Aug 26 at 2018 11:22 AM

2018-08-26T11:22:17-04:00

I am homeschooling due to the different anti-american ploys from schools.

Response by CPL Ruby Merriweather- Garnett made Aug 27 at 2018 7:50 PM

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How can a CHILD/MINOR pledge an allegiance to a Flag, Country or practically anything else natural, when the minor needs their parents/guardians signature to attend a Field Trip, to verify the parent has seen the Report Card, plus the minor CANNOT VOTE until age 18, and in some states CANNOT PURCHASE ALCOHOL until age 21.

Response by LTC James McElreath made Aug 31 at 2018 3:36 PM

2018-08-31T15:36:02-04:00

I say we have to take a stand somewhere. Why not here? Schools should be required to teach US Government. Take the past from our schools and separate the good from the bad . Bring the good back and make it perennate to present times. Teach the correct norms and values (reinforce what maybe taught at home).

Response by LTC James McElreath made Aug 31 at 2018 3:39 PM

2018-08-31T15:39:23-04:00

At least in my part of Ohio they stand and recite the pledge. They need it break down and teach what the words should mean to them. Listen to John Wayne's version

Response by LTC James McElreath made Aug 31 at 2018 3:46 PM

2018-08-31T15:46:09-04:00

There is no more honorable and memorable as John Wayne. He has been shown to be what the best Americans can and should be. This was why he received the Presidents Medal I do believe.
In addition, if he were my leader I would follow him ! Always lived his life as a true patriate, who loved his country!

Response by SSgt John Carter made Sep 2 at 2018 7:59 AM

2018-09-02T07:59:13-04:00

It is a choice and always should be. Reciting the Pledge doesn’t make you any more or less patriotic

Response by SMSgt Tom Burns made Sep 2 at 2018 3:28 PM

2018-09-02T15:28:53-04:00

I remember doing it in School and I think it should be done now. Love Red Skelton's explanation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Sep 3 at 2018 4:28 PM

2018-09-03T16:28:08-04:00

I was not aware that it had been removed. Is this a communist conspiracy? I have two grandsons in public school and neither one has mentioned this to me. What kind of government do we have where the public is not allowed to hear about or vote for or against crucial items like this. That is why we had Obamacare jammed up our asses. It was totally unconstitutional yet it was passed and enforced anyway. Do we need another civil war? Maybe we do and this time it should be the population against the MOSTLY PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS who have never worked an honest job in their entire lives and never served their country in the process.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Sep 18 at 2018 12:55 AM

2018-09-18T00:55:47-04:00

YES, PLEASE, QUICKLY. AMERICA NEEDS TO LEARN. WAYS TO RESPECT THE NATIONS FLAG !!!

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Sep 21 at 2018 10:39 PM

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"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."

The 1st amendment would also work against it since a religous statemnent of beleif was and in 1953.

Justice Jackson, United States Supreme Court 1943.

The case was brought by the Jehovahs's Witness after some attacks that would be called terrosim in this day, attacks promoted by the American Legion of all people.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2018 12:36 AM

2018-09-23T00:36:23-04:00

It would be nice to see some facts backing up the assertion that nobody says the pledge. You know, some numbers that back it up instead of anecdotal evidence or, more accurately, someone's opinion. That goes for the whole globalization assertion as well. Without supporting evidence, it's just fear-mongering. My kids attend a Spanish immersion school and they all recite the pledge in Spanish every morning in Spanish (I'm sure some people will have issues with both of those facts). We serve to defend the Constitution which includes freedom of speech and conscience. Forcing people to recite or stand for the pledge doesn't fit with that. If someone disagrees with us that's their right. That's one of the great things about this country. We may disagree but we can respect each other, compromise, and find common ground. Forcing people to do things only alienates and further divides us. Instead of taking offense at everything we disagree with, we should recognize that our fellow Americans are good people trying to do the right thing the best way they know how, just like us. Once we start to do that instead of demonizing people, we humanize them and can come together and compromise, unite, and make some real progress in this country.

Response by CPL Ruby Merriweather- Garnett made Sep 29 at 2018 4:51 PM

2018-09-29T16:51:25-04:00

But we know a lot of times what appears to be "pretty words" are written on paper, but the "paper" in not fit to be used as a substitute for "toilet tissue."

Response by SrA John Monette made Oct 26 at 2018 9:32 PM

2018-10-26T21:32:11-04:00

don't know why it was taken out to begin with. I believe my middle schooler still starts his day with it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2018 10:05 PM

2018-10-26T22:05:06-04:00

No. For a moment, I want to say that we should change the pledge to the constitution rather than the flag and the republic for which it stands. But there's something off about the idea of requiring civilians to pledge allegiance to something.

However, I wouldn't be against requiring government officials to memorize their oaths and repeat them every once in while, if for nothing else, to remind themselves and the rest of us where their loyalty is supposed to be anchored while in office. This goes especially for people in elected office.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2018 9:31 AM

2018-10-27T09:31:55-04:00

A forced act of patriotism is not patriotism, its simply doing what one is told so they don't get in trouble or outcast from the group. Kind of like those that sit for the national anthem at home, but stand at the live-events where everyone can see them; are they only half as patriotic?. Or those that run to their car or building before reveille and retreat start playing, but properly stand at attention and salute when in formation; are they only partially loyal?. It is not a gauge of patriotism, but of conformity. Conformity is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as we call it what it is, and not act like a person who recites it is automatically a bonafide patriot.

We shouldn't need a mandatory pledge to gain the allegiance of our citizens anyway, it should be gained through national actions and behaviors that instill all citizens with so much pride that they can't help but be voluntarily loyal and patriotic. Some might say we are already there, others might say we still have work to do. I say, lets continue to strive to give people a reason to pledge their allegiance, without stripping them of their freedom to choose not to partake.

Response by SPC Joseph Wojcik made Oct 27 at 2018 10:30 AM

2018-10-27T10:30:11-04:00

I've always been of the mind that actions speak louder than words. Mindlessly reciting a pledge means nothing if the students don't understand what they are swearing allegiance to. I believe it would be more important to instill children with a sense of responsibility and pride in their local and national community through volunteer work and civics eduction.

Response by Robert Leviton made Nov 1 at 2018 9:27 PM

2018-11-01T21:27:11-04:00

It never should have left!

Response by SPC Matthew DeRoo made Nov 2 at 2018 11:57 AM

2018-11-02T11:57:20-04:00

My daughter’s elementary school still does this every morning. It is a public school in Michigan. They always have.

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Nov 8 at 2018 2:54 PM

2018-11-08T14:54:16-05:00

On the surface it sounds good, however when the children do not understand what the Pledge means because they do not know their history, the Pledge has no value. We need to teach our children our history so that they understand why our Constitution is written the way it is. They need to know the difference between a Capitalistic society and a socialistic society, only then will the Pledge have meaning. Otherwise the pledge is just words. Your job is to teach your children and grand children these things, our school system does not.

Response by CMSgt Gary Fichman made Nov 8 at 2018 8:22 PM

2018-11-08T20:22:39-05:00

Not only did we Pledge our Allegiance we sang the National Anthem or America (My Country Tis of of Thee). I was a military brat so it was a mix of nationalities, and races, but we were all Americans.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-11-14T09:49:24-05:00

100% yes

Response by Kayden Estremera made Nov 14 at 2018 1:57 PM

2018-11-14T13:57:21-05:00

yes

Response by SGT Richard Lovell made Nov 19 at 2018 12:52 PM

2018-11-19T12:52:07-05:00

Yes, it’s as simple as that. If a student doesn’t want to stand and pledge their allegiance to the symbol of the country giving them the privilege of an education, then they should be home schooled by their parents.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Nov 25 at 2018 3:20 PM

2018-11-25T15:20:19-05:00

Oh hell yeah!!!!
This great country started being LESS GREAT when they took God and Country out of the schools and look where it took us before President Trump (I didn't have sex with that woman and oh yeah, you can keep your healthcare and doctor if you want to) started making it great again along with President Reagan. P.S. LOVE THE EAGLE!!!!

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Dec 2 at 2018 7:15 AM

2018-12-02T07:15:00-05:00

No, I oppose government indoctrination of children, especially when it contains errors such as refuting the principle found in the Declaration of Independence that people are free to secede.

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Sep 2 at 2020 7:35 PM

2020-09-02T19:35:34-04:00

Yes! However, it must be coupled with instruction on America and her real history and many positive impacts on the world !

Response by SPC David Batterson made Aug 19 at 2021 11:36 AM

2021-08-19T11:36:50-04:00

We had it my school decades ago in Oklahoma. Today perhaps it needs a new version. In the Army we all stated out loud to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic." That is much more important and vital to democracy than any flag statement. Many vets will disagree, but here's why I say this. Those who rioted and attacked our nation's Capitol in a disgusting manner were not patriots. They showed zero respect for our Constitution. And reverence for this remarkable document is far more important, than saluting a flag or saying a pledge.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2021 3:34 PM

2021-08-19T15:34:57-04:00

Bring it back. It should have never left.