Should we remove combat patches to be sensitive to those who don't have them?

MSG Wally Carmichael — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:22:51 -0500

"(Unit Name withheld) BCT ordered to remove combat patches during training at Fort NoMatter so the ones without them don't get ‪‎hurt feelings‬.

Reason? "The unit just returned from Afghanistan and almost everyone has a patch but the large influx of new soldiers are E1 and E2s that have never deployed and they are saying they are left out because they don't have a patch."

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 8:25 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:25:04 -0500

I hope this is a Duffel Blog post

Response by SGT Jonathon Caldwell made Mar 1 at 2016 8:28 PM

SGT Jonathon Caldwell — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:28:21 -0500

They should see everyone wearing them, respect them and strive to get their own. Tough shit privates! Do your time and you'll probably get one someday. Sorry you just got off of mamma's titty.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 8:30 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:30:43 -0500

Thats like saying (since i am a medic), my feelings get hurt when i see someone with a EMB or a CMB? I do not get mad because i never earned it.

Response by 1SG Todd Sullivan made Mar 1 at 2016 8:32 PM

1SG Todd Sullivan — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:32:17 -0500

I almost deleted my account when I read this.... This question right here shows what dire straights out military and society are in... Makes me sick to think that it's a serious question.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 8:35 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:35:03 -0500

This can't be true.
If it is, the Brigade Commander or whatever schmuck came up with this needs to hang up their boots.

Response by MSG Wally Carmichael made Mar 1 at 2016 8:39 PM

MSG Wally Carmichael — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:39:40 -0500

I wonder how many Ranger/Sapper tabs, Airborne/Air Assault/EMFB/EIB badges are in that organization. Can you imagine asking them to remove theirs, for the same reason?

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Mar 1 at 2016 8:46 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:46:13 -0500

What a bunch of wimps. Unbelievable.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Mar 1 at 2016 8:46 PM

SFC Everett Oliver — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:46:39 -0500

In 22 years on active duty I never once wanted to earn a combat patch....

Response by SSG(P) Timme Jones made Mar 1 at 2016 8:47 PM

SSG(P) Timme Jones — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:47:00 -0500

Smh....this can't be true!!! When I was a PVT I always felt better knowing I was learning from peers that performed their jobs. I am not saying just because you have deployed you automatic are better then someone who hasn't.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Mar 1 at 2016 8:50 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:50:14 -0500

Wtf? Is this real?

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made Mar 1 at 2016 8:52 PM

CPT Mark Gonzalez — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:52:03 -0500

Take off your combat patch and everyone put on your participation ribbon.

Response by PO1 Brian Austin made Mar 1 at 2016 8:52 PM

PO1 Brian Austin — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:52:55 -0500

Ok, this Squid has to chime in. Not only no, but HELL NO! The patches are something to be worn with pride and those E-1's/E-2's should look at those with respect for what they went through to earn them. And for them to strive to earn their own.
It's hard for me to believe that a CO would even consider something like that. It's PC/Kumbayaa/don't hurt anyone's feelings B.S. run amuck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 8:54 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:54:00 -0500

Is this a new episode? I recall something similar awhile back about the same thing.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 8:54 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:54:37 -0500

This was a topic of discussion last year. If fhe command team thinks this will boost morale, they are way out of touch.

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/06/18/unit-promotes-no-patch-badge-rule-in-training/28927601/

BCT banishes combat patches, badges to boost morale

You earn it, you keep it, you wear it. That's how soldiers epitomize their time in the Army, with the insignia and combat patches and badges that

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Mar 1 at 2016 8:54 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:54:56 -0500

This topic was originally broached back in June. This isn't "new."

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/06/18/unit-promotes-no-patch-badge-rule-in-training/28927601/

BCT banishes combat patches, badges to boost morale

You earn it, you keep it, you wear it. That's how soldiers epitomize their time in the Army, with the insignia and combat patches and badges that

Response by SGT Benjamin Lindsey made Mar 1 at 2016 8:55 PM

SGT Benjamin Lindsey — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 20:55:36 -0500

WOW, I hope this is a joke. I guess during class A inspections all awards and badges must be removed also. Guess Pvt. Snuffy started running the Army after I got out. SMH

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Mar 1 at 2016 9:04 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 21:04:45 -0500

MSG Wally Carmichael Are you serious? The newbies need to learn from returning combat personnel, aka RCPs. That patch means a great deal and deserves respect, or does respect matter in today's world?

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 9:19 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 21:19:35 -0500

Seriously? I never saw combat when I was in but I'm surely not going to get all butt hurt because others have. WTH?

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 9:38 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 21:38:24 -0500

Thank God for the Marines.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Mar 1 at 2016 10:11 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 22:11:18 -0500

The answer is simply NO, MSG Wally Carmichael.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 10:47 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 22:47:57 -0500

You don't have a patch and your feelings are hurt? Here fill this out. And when you are done, see that Colonel sitting at his desk? Yea, the one without a patch either. Yea, you turn that into him.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Mar 1 at 2016 10:58 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 22:58:24 -0500

Feelings my rump! It's a symbol of experience that should comfort new troops that their trainer has been there - done that.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Mar 1 at 2016 11:01 PM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:01:52 -0500

I was once a young enlisted PV2 with the 4-31IN Polarbears at Fort Drum. Back in those days, not many people had the combat patch - a few, but not many. I remember looking at the patch as a symbol of someone who has been there and done that. They were someone to respect and look to for guidance. On one hand, I wanted one, but I also didn't. Now, I have more than one. When I see those without them, I have to wonder - where were they for the last 15 years? How did they slip through the deployment cracks? Or they are just new to the Army and may some day get their turn in the barrel - so to speak. I like the patch and how it provides a visual identification of people who DO know more than garrison life.

Now, I also read up on the 4ID situation someone mentioned and I understand where the Commander was coming from - but that was just for a training exercise, not for everyday activities.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 1 at 2016 11:06 PM

COL Charles Williams — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:06:02 -0500

Sounds like BS.... or Duffleblog...

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Mar 1 at 2016 11:34 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:34:06 -0500

Sensitive to their needs? This cannot be real,if this is true we are in a whole lot of trouble this has got to be some kind of sick joke

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2016 11:51 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:51:54 -0500

This makes no sense. I can't imagine having any feelings over someone else's combat patch but respect and gratitude. It should be a serious motivator to the new guys when they see that patch, not a reason to whine..

Response by TSgt David Case made Mar 2 at 2016 12:02 AM

TSgt David Case — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:02:26 -0500

No!!!!, WTH, Why would you? If you earned it, wear it proudly.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 12:09 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 00:09:08 -0500

It's like asking you not to wear your NAM because the new guy came in a day too late, far as I can tell.

Response by TSgt Melissa Post made Mar 2 at 2016 1:19 AM

TSgt Melissa Post — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:19:42 -0500

WTF? suck it up buttercup. They earned those patches. you want one? Go out and earn it.

Should tell them if they wanted to be issued feelings they should have joined the Air Force.

Response by Col Lyman Faith made Mar 2 at 2016 1:27 AM

Col Lyman Faith — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:27:22 -0500

I am not from a combat patch wearing service. In my opinion, the unit commander should WANT their troops with combat experience to wear their patches. A FNG would be able to see who had seen the elephant and learn from him or her and maybe not get killed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 1:53 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 01:53:51 -0500

pretty ridiculous, I am glad that I am not in that unit

Response by CPL Randy Bautista made Mar 2 at 2016 2:11 AM

CPL Randy Bautista — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 02:11:51 -0500

This has to be fake.

Response by SSG Nathan Bryant made Mar 2 at 2016 3:51 AM

SSG Nathan Bryant — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:51:49 -0500

With all due respect to whoever made this decision, this is ridiculous. Maybe they should remove Airborne, Air Assault, CIB, CAB, and any other earned badges/patches. I guess they will remove the rank also?

I recommend holding a "professional development" session. Have various NCOs to one by one tell various stories about their deployment experience(s) to include why they may opt for one combat patch versus another. As a Drill Sergeant, the young recruits seemed to appreciate when I told them of a fellow Soldier who deployed with four different brigades. With one patch worn, the other three were always in his right shoulder pocket. Of the four, he would always wear a specific one in the morning and a then a specific different one during afternoons. The other two remained in the pocket. The two he chose to wear were with regard to the units where he lost a battle buddy.

- a story like that may inspire the respect and honor that those young Soldiers should have - not only for the Soldiers who wear combat patches, but for the patches themselves.

EDIT - I kept thinking about this question and desired to add to my answer. If by chance there are Soldiers within the unit that have combat patches who are looking down upon, belittling, or otherwise harassing Soldiers who have not had the opportunity to earn one yet . . . and this action is causing a morale problem within the unit, then I would be the first to agree that removing all combat patches until such a time that it would no longer be an issue would not be such a bad idea. I say this because I have witnessed Soldiers who placed themselves "above" others because of a badge, patch, or experience that another Soldier did not have. What should happen is that opportunities to inspire and mentor Soldiers should be taken advantage of.

"One may have knowledge and experience. But, they are only a Leader if they are followed."
~ Nathan Bryant

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 6:53 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:53:22 -0500

No!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 6:58 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:58:25 -0500

So what they didn't deploy so they don't have one... We earned out deployment patch

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 7:37 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 07:37:52 -0500

When I enlisted, I was surrounded by men with combat patches. It never caused me to look at myself and feel like left out or like I was beneath anyone else (other than being a private of course).
I just looked at them with admiration. It gave me something to admire and something to look forward to.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 7:40 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 07:40:02 -0500

Seriously- who voted yes?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 7:45 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 07:45:48 -0500

Once a screaming eagle ALWAYS a screaming eagle. I know said brigade and there's no way in hell this happened. You hold Old Abe up with much respect

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 8:01 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:01:14 -0500

That's insane. When I enlisted in the late 90s all my NCOs had combat patches from Desert Storm, privates didn't. No big deal. I enlisted in the reserves where soldiers usually do basic training one summer them AIT later. Therefore I could not wear a beret and didn't have my rainbow participation ribbon, also no big deal. When I got my commission I went to a unit that had just gotten back from Iraq. The only Soldiers without combat patches were the lieutenants, also no issue. Should I also remove my awards because not everyone has those? Military decorations and accoutrements are earned, if you want to wear them you have to go earn them. That doesn't mean everyone who has earned some should have to remove them so that you can feel "special" too.

Response by SSG Jerry Eidson made Mar 2 at 2016 8:12 AM

SSG Jerry Eidson — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:12:48 -0500

So did they complain in high school because they didn't have a varsity letter cuz the seasoned players earned theirs? What's next? Removing airborne or air assault badges? They need to suck it up!!!!

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Mar 2 at 2016 8:20 AM

SSG Ed Mikus — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:20:07 -0500

The patch should be used to show where to find experience, if it is being used in a negative way the Command should address that issue, i personally do not feel this was a good way to address the issue but, i am not a leader in that unit.

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Mar 2 at 2016 8:21 AM

MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:21:35 -0500

I find it hard to believe this really happened. If it did, especially in a combat arms brigade, that brigade commander and brigade CSM need to just retire - they have become too sissified to lead men into battle. (But I reiterate, I don't think it really happened.)

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 8:45 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:45:47 -0500

Should we remove anything that we are eligible/permitted to wear on our uniforms according to 670-1? No - unless it's on the individual to opt not to wear said item (again, if it's permitted in 670-1)....the combat patch or SSI, doesn't have to be worn if the Soldier doesn't want to wear it. That being said - for a BCT commander (and I know the who, where and when this happened) to order the entire BCT not to wear them is a bit much imo.

Response by SSG Kevin Kronemeyer made Mar 2 at 2016 9:20 AM

SSG Kevin Kronemeyer — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 09:20:21 -0500

Sensitive...? Really !?!?!? I agree with everyone that posted "no".

Response by GySgt Bill Smith made Mar 2 at 2016 9:30 AM

GySgt Bill Smith — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 09:30:04 -0500

I have three deployments as a Marine and I can't wear a combat patch in my NG ACUs and I really don't care. I would never ask anyone that has deployed to not wear theirs just to make others more comfortable. Where is my "Safe Space"

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Mar 2 at 2016 9:48 AM

SSgt Dan Montague — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 09:48:23 -0500

Hopefully this is just a BS story. The Marines don't were combat patches, but we do have the ribbon we wear on service and dress uniforms. I am sad to say I served many years and deployed several times and never received a combat action ribbon. It sucked seeing all these Marines jr to me with stars on their ribbons. They should be able to wear it with pride.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Mar 2 at 2016 9:55 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 09:55:35 -0500

OH FREAKING WELL, it is earned, I think I would have fought that. Reg say I can and I earned all 3 of mine. 1 in combat, other 2 in the combat area! I know the unit that you speak of! Did they remove there CIB's also! Just because some little pansy a$$ didn't earn it, they will get their chance! Get over it!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 10:13 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 10:13:04 -0500

they need to fill out a DA FORM IMT WF1 (hurt feelings report) and submit it through their S1.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 2 at 2016 10:44 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 10:44:36 -0500

Good Lord, I hope that is just hypothetical.
I didn't deploy. It doesn't butt-hurt me to see others with deployment patches.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 2 at 2016 11:10 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 11:10:37 -0500

The new folks need to suck it up and move on with learning their job and doing it well. Keep the combat patch because it identifies those soldiers with very valuable experience. The new folks should be looking to those with a combat patch to set the example because they understand how training and discipline effect combat capability. Also, it's a great Army tradition.

Response by SGT William Howell made Mar 2 at 2016 11:28 AM

SGT William Howell — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 11:28:40 -0500

101st has made dick moves like this all the time. They have stated while under their command that if you earned a 101st combat patch you MUST wear the Screaming Eagle no matter if you had other patches. They did it in Iraq when we were under them. I challenged anybody that thought there were man enough to try and remove my 2ACR combat patch. Nobody accepted.

Try and wear your Jump Wings over your Air Assault at Campbell and see who looses their mind.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 12:14 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:14:37 -0500

Baaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!!!! Hurt Feelings? If a patch makes them feel better give them one with a pacifier on it. When you return from a combat zone you have an expectation that you are authorized to wear what Momma DoD gave you. To me, it would be like telling me to not wear my OIF Ribbon because some baby back B**** (that did not deploy) would be offended for not having the same ribbon.

Response by MSgt Aaron Brite made Mar 2 at 2016 12:23 PM

MSgt Aaron Brite — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:23:41 -0500

Army has too many things decorating their uniforms to begin with. What is the purpose of these badges and does it have a discernable positive benefit to the army? If not, then discontinue them and put effort and money elsewhere.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Mar 2 at 2016 12:32 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:32:42 -0500

OH HELL NO!

Response by TSgt Lars Eilenfeld made Mar 2 at 2016 12:40 PM

TSgt Lars Eilenfeld — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:40:32 -0500

No, you earned it wear it, this is the US Military not some feel good community organizing waste of space. Excel at the position you have if you don't like it cross train if your still dissatisfied get out, it is not everyone else responsibility to make you feel good, it is your responsibility to follow orders and perform to the best of your ability.

Response by SGT Steve Oakes made Mar 2 at 2016 12:42 PM

SGT Steve Oakes — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:42:35 -0500

Absolutely not! I don't have one. But I do not think that making others not wear theirs will make me feel better. I think knowing they had to take it off to spare my feelings, would make it worse.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Mar 2 at 2016 12:52 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:52:03 -0500

Command can require patches removed (or changed) for certain things like a unit parade or ceremony where absolute uniformity is required. But, to remove SSIFWTS simply because someone will feel "left out" is BS.

Response by SFC Oranthal Smith made Mar 2 at 2016 3:02 PM

SFC Oranthal Smith — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 15:02:47 -0500

Like you said. A lot of Soldiers have just gotten into the Army. There day will come. Shouldn't have been an issue with the Command!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 3:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 15:39:51 -0500

I could not pick more then one. But we should be proud of our service, and younger Soldiers need to know who they can go to when combat questions arise.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 5:20 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:20:55 -0500

For those that don't have a right sleeve patch and whine about it, I have found....for you.....your patch. Now you no longer have to feel bad about being left out.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 5:25 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:25:03 -0500

For real?

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 5:45 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:45:41 -0500

I have been going through a comp 2 class and have centered my paper's around this change in the military. It is a sad to see something so great be affected by the infection we call sensitivity of feelings. When did we start caring about the feelings of our members so much that it effects the training we give? It is sad times when we have to sugar coat everything we tell them. It also seems to be less effective in keeping straight and strict discipline in our ranks. So no I don't think it's right to ask someone not to wear something they earned because there's somebody who didn't earn it and they feel "sad" it is a ridiculous notion that needs to be squashed. We need to get back to the lines of "grow up butter cup welcome to the military" ....but just some humble opinion from someone who cares to much about the military.

Response by SGT Christopher Churilla made Mar 2 at 2016 6:03 PM

SGT Christopher Churilla — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 18:03:51 -0500

It is with great difficulty that I maintain my military bearing answering this question. Simply put, NO. If these new "Soldiers" feel so bad about not having a combat patch, they should volunteer for the next deployment.

Then I step back and look down the road with some of these "Soldiers" leading the Army, and I get truly frightened. If these "Soldiers" get butthurt over not having a combat patch, how are they going to react when Mr. I Hate Americans shoots at them? I see a lot of body bags coming home with these people running things.

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Mar 2 at 2016 7:14 PM

1SG Nick Baker — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 19:14:55 -0500

I would not go to combat with this idiot. We have a reunion there in June.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 7:22 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 19:22:17 -0500

Those that receive them should be proud.

Response by PO3 David Fries made Mar 2 at 2016 8:43 PM

PO3 David Fries — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 20:43:19 -0500

Sorry, but if you're going to be "sensitive" about something like that...seriously where did we go wrong?

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 2 at 2016 8:44 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 20:44:53 -0500

Wow, just wow.....

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Mar 2 at 2016 9:39 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:39:58 -0500

I am an army brat. My dad is a WW2 veteran and wore his 10th Mt. Div. patch on his right shoulder. As far back as I can remember, I wanted to be a soldier, and wanted to earn my own right shoulder patch. I think maybe I coveted a right shoulder patch more than his silver star. (I was a kid.) Well, I served for 24 years from 1978 to 2002, and I was never sent to combat. We only had little actions with limited participation in those years. So, no right shoulder patch. I would like to have earned one, but it was not in the cards. I value yours and respect it and what you did to earn it. I would never, never ask you to take it off. I celebrate your accomplishment rather than envy it. Any senior officer who request that you remove it is out of touch with the real army.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Mar 2 at 2016 9:44 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:44:11 -0500

We should remove those who are sensitive to the wearing of these patches!!

Response by GySgt John O'Donnell made Mar 2 at 2016 9:50 PM

GySgt John O'Donnell — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 21:50:47 -0500

Though I understand and agree with those that have earned their "combat patch" since this is a unique part of the Army culture. As Marines we have no such identifier outside of our dress uniform which I think contributes to our unique long term culture of esprit de corps and unity we hold. That said, I have seen both sides of the coin and can appreciate both schools of thought. In my first enlistment (just after Desert Storm) there were many "combat veterans" but in the field individual leadership (from the lessons learned and application of) is what mattered, which encouraged me a young Marine to be the best I could for the goals of the team. On the other hand, in my second enlistment (after two deployments under my belt), I reported to an airborne unit. As a "nasty leg" I stood out and anyone who was a Navy/Marine Corps parachutist could "encourage" extra PT on anyone who was not (leg or lead sled same-same). This was discouraging at first, but through the tradition it made me work hard to achieve/exceed expectations, which allow me to not only attain my "gold wings" but also earn my pathfinder qualification as well.
In the end, both schools of thought achieved the desired outcome because of the commitment of the leadership at every level, and the overall commitment to "One Team, One Fight" through group and individual oriented goals and outcomes.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 11:32 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:32:10 -0500

Way to PC...if our grandfathers had done this we would all be speaking German.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 11:40 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:40:43 -0500

A CAB for YOU, a CAB for you, EVERYONE gets a CAB! (Say this in Oprah's energetic voice for me please)

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 12:05 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:05:38 -0500

Hell no. You gonna start removing ribbons? "But 1SG...*I* don't have the MoH, so why does HE get it?? All he did was jump on a grenade after singlehandedly taking 3 machine gun nests....he's not any more important than me!!!"

I dislike the Army's removal of unit patches because it created a "better than you" attitude. Guess what...that is called ESPRIT DE CORPS. When you go in combat, do you want your men thinking that they are just as good as others? NEVER!! I want my Soldiers thinking that they are 10 feet tall, bullet proof, and that they can move mountains. Average men will stop and think "These are pieces of metal flying by at 2700+ FPS and can kill me." A confident Soldier will think, "These guys are trying to kill me!! HAHAHA...not today!!" and emerge victorious.

Left out? Guess what....you'll get a shot. Stay in and learn from the patched Soldiers. I'm not a combat veteran, but I would be angrier than hell to know that someone was shamed into taking off a combat patch that they'd rightfully earned. That being said, I DID shame a CPT into taking off a "combat patch" that she *DIDN'T* earn, but that's a TOTALLY different situation.

I'm all about reasonable standards when it comes to sensitivity, but seriously....this crap is ridiculous.

Response by PO1 Glenn Colby made Mar 3 at 2016 2:12 AM

PO1 Glenn Colby — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 02:12:21 -0500

I guess the Military should remove all rank as well so we don't offend or make the "Everybody gets a trophy" generation feel inferior to others.

Response by Sgt Lew Dunham made Mar 3 at 2016 2:15 AM

Sgt Lew Dunham — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 02:15:19 -0500

if you earned them ... wear them .... proudly!

sensitive my ass ...

Response by LTC Trent Klug made Mar 3 at 2016 3:06 AM

LTC Trent Klug — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 03:06:00 -0500

Ah, isn't this nice. Common Core has finally found a senior officer snowflake. If only, he or she would have done this with the reflective belt instead.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Mar 3 at 2016 10:49 AM

PFC Tuan Trang — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:49:06 -0500

Combat patch is been a tradition for decade, if the unit you deploy with decide to gave you a deploy patch, then good but if not, just deal with it. I personally think we should not change/remove combat patch.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 11:23 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:23:13 -0500

I think this is counter productive. We want our Soldiers to be proud of there Service. This is like Saying we shouldn't give out awards because it might make those that don't get them feel bad. We want to give our newer Soldiers something to strive for. We want the Soldier to say "hey, I don't have one of those. How do I get one." We don't want them to say "hey, I don't have one of those so take it off.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Mar 3 at 2016 11:24 AM

SGT Chris Hill — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:24:06 -0500

That is pure garbage! I thought this was fake until it was confirmed, and I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of WHY higher echelons are enforcing that unit to remove patches because of hurt feelings. Since when did the army care about hurt feelings?! That unit earned their combat patches just like thousands of others have earned by going to combat, and now a bunch of whinny FNGs come along and the higher ups make a decision to make them feel part of the unit? Send their asses to Iraq or Afghanistan and then they will earn the right to wear a patch. This is absolutely crazy!

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Mar 3 at 2016 11:26 AM

1LT Aaron Barr — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:26:55 -0500

Gentlemen, you're in (Unit Name Withheld), NOT a college campus. Wash the sand out and grow up.

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Mar 3 at 2016 11:40 AM

SGT Mathew Husen — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:40:15 -0500

Is Bernie Sanders in charge of the unit?

Response by SSG Kenneth Westermeyer made Mar 3 at 2016 11:42 AM

SSG Kenneth Westermeyer — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:42:07 -0500

What in the hell is going on with the Army? Why in the crap is a privates opinion even being considered with his whole 6 months in the military. It's stories like this that make me glad I'm out.

Response by SPC Terry Castro made Mar 3 at 2016 11:46 AM

SPC Terry Castro — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:46:39 -0500

That's ridiculous. Those patches are earned and should be proudly worn. How about looking up to the person wearing the patch?

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Mar 3 at 2016 11:47 AM

SFC Benjamin Varlese — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:47:06 -0500

This is unfortunately indicative of the current societal norms and political climate in this country; strip away the accomplishments of one group to satisfy those who have yet to earn their place in the pack and spineless or complicit leadership that allows it to go on.

Response by SPC James Burkett II made Mar 3 at 2016 11:52 AM

SPC James Burkett II — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:52:13 -0500

If that's true then anyone with a CIB, CAB, or another award or decoration worn on the combat uniform should also have to remove them. While we are at it lets remove rank so the PVT's don't get hurt feeling because a SPC walks by. Don't be upset because some of us have earned the combat patch right, we have all been slick sleeved at some point your time will come padawans.

Response by SGT Scott Janko made Mar 3 at 2016 11:55 AM

SGT Scott Janko — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:55:45 -0500

no you earned that right to wear or not wear the combat patch.

Response by CPL Bryan Claeys made Mar 3 at 2016 12:12 PM

CPL Bryan Claeys — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:12:22 -0500

Should I remove my Combat Action Badge, or my Purple Heart because they don't have those either? That way they won't feel insecure about not being wounded or seeing combat. How about everyone takes the rank off of their uniforms too that way those without Chevron's won't feel so lowly on the totem pole. During Sargent's training time we should also set aside a few minutes to hug the junior enlisted and tell them they are doing a great job and we love them, in case they were corrected throughout the week and had an @$$ chewing or did some extra PT. Every night squad leaders should also go around and tuck in the Joe's, read them a bedside story and give them a warm glass of milk.

In all seriousness Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!? This is like those frickin 'stress cards' that some IET soldiers had. This is the Army not the boy/girl scouts. Not everything is rainbows and sunshine. What ever unit this is better give a drug test to the commander because I'm pretty sure they are some kind of hippy tree hugger that's smoking weed, probably doesn't uphold standards set forth by the Army, and probably doesn't have their soldiers combat ready. I don't care if it was issued by a 4 star General I'd slap them and tell them to un-**** themselves....

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 12:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:15:41 -0500

Not everyone gets a trophy in the Army.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Mar 3 at 2016 12:18 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:18:17 -0500

No...absolutely not!!! This is not the little league team and every one does not get a trophy. Everyone is NOT entitled to get something they have not worked for. They (new PVTs) should be embarrassed to even think like this. PERIOD!

Response by SFC Lamont Womack made Mar 3 at 2016 12:19 PM

SFC Lamont Womack — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:19:34 -0500

I don't care either way. I think it's laughable to think some people "earned" a combat patch just because they were in a deployed environment. I know numerous people with multiple deployments that worked less hours in theater than they did in Garrison. To say those people have experience is stupid. On one of my deployments we brought in all these new people because of their "deployment experience" and they were absolutely worthless. My Soldiers who were on their first deployment were running circles around these Officers and NCOs down range. So when I see a combat patch I don't think experience. All I see is someone who has "been" in a "combat theater".

Response by SSG Scott Warthan made Mar 3 at 2016 12:20 PM

SSG Scott Warthan — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:20:51 -0500

Why is this even a question. Now I remember why i'm glad I got out when I did.

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Mar 3 at 2016 12:29 PM

SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:29:26 -0500

Aw. I didn't get a GCM. There was a reason. Take yours off! Wah!

Response by SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc made Mar 3 at 2016 12:35 PM

SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:35:34 -0500

Omg little whiny babies. It's the participation ribbons all over again!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 12:38 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:38:53 -0500

I would say this will do the opposite of what they expect. Soldiers will lose morale and faith in their leadership. It'll also turn the younger soldiers into targets for those who get mad about this. Another question I've been asking but yet to get a serious answer to, what's next blank dress uniforms? The uniform does not make the soldier but if you earned it you should be allowed to wear it.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Mar 3 at 2016 12:44 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:44:45 -0500

Don't buy into this guys! This is a former Ranger battalion colonel getting his guys to go sterile like the regt does. I've talked to people in the know and this is NOT what it appears. It's not PC crap, it's a commander getting his guys to work together and let their actions speak louder than badges. This is only in the field not garrison.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Mar 3 at 2016 12:45 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:45:45 -0500

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Don't buy into this guys! This is a former Ranger battalion colonel getting his guys to go sterile like the regt does. I've talked to people in the know and this is NOT what it appears. It's not PC crap, it's a commander getting his guys to work together and let their actions speak louder than badges. This is only in the field not garrison.

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Mar 3 at 2016 12:46 PM

SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:46:23 -0500

Why penalize the warrior morale? Just because the newby Soldier can't deploy doesn't mean he or she won't in the near future. If it upsets them - let them cry. They'll need a lot more toughening up if that is causing them so much pain...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 12:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:49:36 -0500

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Mar 3 at 2016 12:50 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:50:05 -0500

Response by Sgt Dennis Addesso made Mar 3 at 2016 12:54 PM

Sgt Dennis Addesso — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:54:39 -0500

Not only NO but F NO!

Response by SPC Amanda Prentiss made Mar 3 at 2016 12:55 PM

SPC Amanda Prentiss — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:55:14 -0500

So I'm supposed to take off something that I have earned because some newbie is butthurt? Really? That's like saying you can't wear your Airborne badge, or rank because not everyone has it. If you earned it, you should be able to wear it, regardless of other people's insecurities.

Response by PV2 Jodi Martinez made Mar 3 at 2016 12:56 PM

PV2 Jodi Martinez — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 12:56:52 -0500

They earned them....

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 1:02 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:02:44 -0500

2% of respondents are newly arrived E1s.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 1:10 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:10:51 -0500

This kind of BS is embarrassing and if true, a Senior NCO needs to get smacked across the face. Either he allowed a weak officer to do this, or God help us, he came up with this petty ass plan himself. #disgusting

Response by CPT Nick Bryan made Mar 3 at 2016 1:12 PM

CPT Nick Bryan — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:12:45 -0500

So we are going to destroy the morale of the combat vets that daught their tails off for you so we can make some brand new Soldiers feel better about themselves....... Right......

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 1:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:14:59 -0500

Guess I would get a negative counseling or Article 15 cause I will wear what I earned until I retire and so will my soldiers. Just terrible and pathetic!!!! This is what we've come to I guess.

Response by SSG Brian Alvey made Mar 3 at 2016 1:19 PM

SSG Brian Alvey — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:19:53 -0500

Obama era Army. Glad I'm retired...

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 1:24 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:24:18 -0500

That goes beyond full retard. This is what happens when everyone gets a trophy... people stop seeing the value in earning something and think that everybody should have the same things.

Response by SFC Kingsley Adams made Mar 3 at 2016 1:25 PM

SFC Kingsley Adams — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:25:11 -0500

I did roughly a dozen training deployments to NTC and a tour in Korea within my 20 years of service. Had five wartime deployment notifications that turned out to be false alarms while in the 1st Cavalry Division. Needless to say I haven't been deployed to a war zone, no combat patch for me, but you know what? I still earned my MSM, a retirement and an honorable discharge with a fresh DD-214 in hand biznatches!

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 3 at 2016 1:27 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:27:57 -0500

Shouldn't the person giving this order remove their rank so that the lower ranks don't feel left out too? You know... since they're so concerned about *feelings* rather than accomplishments.

Response by SPC Christopher Shanahan made Mar 3 at 2016 1:28 PM

SPC Christopher Shanahan — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:28:56 -0500

This is absolutely ridiculous! It should be something they strive for, but those who have been through combat and have earned their patch should be allowed to wear it with no conditions. One time my shop (S2) went to lunch on a Friday and were told to remove our patch so our lower ranking soldiers didn't feel left out. I refused on principle. I asked them to show me the regulation that says I should cater to the delicate feelings of the soldiers who haven't deployed yet. Yes before I deployed I felt a little bit less of a soldier with only one patch, but the day in Afghanistan when my CSM put that patch on my right shoulder and shook my hand made it all worth it.

I have nothing against soldiers that have never deployed, but those who have should be able to show that proudly! If this is true, which I really don't doubt it given the current climate of the military, I'm just annoyed. Stop being baby's and just do your job. Patch or no patch, you are a Soldier and the only thing you should care about is that you have a crisp and clean uniform, and the greatest flag in the world on your right soldier. Boar2 Romeo out!

Response by MSG Wally Carmichael made Mar 3 at 2016 1:31 PM

MSG Wally Carmichael — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:31:47 -0500

You're not going to believe this crap. 3 BCT is not the only command doing this. 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division and others are doing this SH*T to.
Read the entire article. I really want to know what the hell these commanders are thinking.

http://www.ijreview.com/2016/03/551421-soldiers-furious-after-what-army-combat-teams-are-making-them-take-off-their-uniforms/?

Soldiers Are Furious After What Army Combat Teams Are Making Them Take Off Their Uniforms

"We lost all the men we respect to..."

Response by SPC William McGrath made Mar 3 at 2016 1:34 PM

SPC William McGrath — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:34:38 -0500

Combat patches, merits, rank in general, are incentive to succeed and be active in our military. If E1's and E2's feel left out, tell them to get their shit straight and get promoted, and go fight overseas. Earn it. That's how those coming back from war got them.

I hope this isn't real. That commander needs to squash this fast.

Response by SFC Andrew Dowell made Mar 3 at 2016 1:36 PM

SFC Andrew Dowell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:36:57 -0500

Feelings? when the hell did those start to get issued out?

Response by PFC Sean Lipscomb made Mar 3 at 2016 1:39 PM

PFC Sean Lipscomb — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:39:01 -0500

When I got to my unit everyone was just getting back from block leave after returning from Desert Storm and I looked up to those guys ,learned from them didn't feel left out because I didn't have one . Out of a platoon there were 3 of us that didn't have one .

Response by SGT Joseph Shakespeare made Mar 3 at 2016 1:40 PM

SGT Joseph Shakespeare — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:40:14 -0500

Str BS what kind crap is this

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 1:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:49:12 -0500

I don't think that is fair to the people that have earned them and the ones that have give it all in the name of that particular patch /unit. It is a way to show and remember those experiences and times and what you have done in a sense.

Response by CPT Maria Burns made Mar 3 at 2016 1:50 PM

CPT Maria Burns — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 13:50:57 -0500

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa! Thanks for the laugh; I really needed it. I never received a combat patch while in service, but I certainly would not be upset by or condemn anyone who had. That's a badge of distinction, and people in the military should strive to earn one of their own.

Response by SGT Jim Tough made Mar 3 at 2016 2:11 PM

SGT Jim Tough — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:11:54 -0500

This is riduculous. We wanted to see what our leaders were made of when I came. I never got there to combat but I looked at those that had come before me and used their knowledge to make ME and when I became a leader, my soldiers, better trained for what they may face. This disgusts me.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:17 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:17:51 -0500

Is this what we have resorted to. Just because someone does not have a combat patch we should feel sensitive to their hurt feeling. Maybe we should look at the fact those that do have earned them and not be punished because that is exactly what you are doing to them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:17:53 -0500

Seems like a great plan to me destroy the moral while undermining the sacrafices and hardships of the greater percentage of the unit by taking something they earned, so the minority gets to look as if they made the same sacrafice. Cause thats all it will change is appearance. All while creating a rift between members of the command they will never overcome.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:23 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:23:09 -0500

You put in your time and earn it just like everyone else. Just another pointless situation to contribute to the new spoiled generation of soldiers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:23:23 -0500

2% of you forgot your balls in your skinny jeans.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:28 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:28:00 -0500

The saddest part is this is one of the units that used to not care what anyone thought of what they did or how they conducted business. They thought they were the biggest baddest MFers and they would fight anyone that said differently. Oh how times change.

Response by PO1 Tracy Dreyer made Mar 3 at 2016 2:31 PM

PO1 Tracy Dreyer — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:31:56 -0500

This is a freaking joke right????? PLEASE tell me this is a joke!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:32:55 -0500

Was this a real question? I'm hoping not.

Response by MSG James Crowell made Mar 3 at 2016 2:38 PM

MSG James Crowell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:38:30 -0500

I was in four combat zone from 1979 to 2000 and earn the rank of MSG /E-8 i will be telling any E-1 or E-2 if your feeling are hurt drop and give me 50 and as your down there think what is your malfunction with your thinking and when i do let you get up then tell me if your feeling are still hurt for i can tell you get drop and give me another 50

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:39 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:39:00 -0500

What I can't believe is that 2% actually said, Yes!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:40 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:40:05 -0500

NEVER! Those who have earned it should wear it proudly. Those who haven't should strive to ear one for themselves. Stop this mentality, it is killing our society and our military! To the leaders who made or want to make Combat Vets in their unit(s) remove their Combat Patch, shame on you. Stand up and lead, show these young men and women that this type of mentality is wrong and show them what right looks like. If you cannot do that, the get out!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:49:54 -0500

Simple solution. Train and deploy them. That will fix the issue. PS. You're joking, right?

Response by LTC Fred Hoffman made Mar 3 at 2016 2:50 PM

LTC Fred Hoffman — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:50:12 -0500

Remove combat patches and badges so the newer troops don't feel intimidated? Maybe they also need to deploy with GP Medium "safe room" tents, complete with soothing New Age music, scented candles, and Teddy bears.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 2:53 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:53:31 -0500

well damn, and here I was hoping to wear mine again if/when we are all wearing a Joint Camo uniform.

Response by COL John Hudson made Mar 3 at 2016 2:58 PM

COL John Hudson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:58:25 -0500

Older, more experienced soldiers and/or service members stand as an instant example to what they have accomplished during their service. Did that same Commander order everyone in the Command to remove their accolades from their Class A, Class B, and Official Mess Uniforms as well. Why stop there? Take off your rank emblems while you're at it...after all, we certainly wouldn't wish to offend Private Snuffy, now would we? As the assigned Inspector General, I would schedule an appointment with the responsible Commander to ascertain why he/she felt the need to remove such accomplishment.

Response by MSgt Bruce Cooper made Mar 3 at 2016 2:58 PM

MSgt Bruce Cooper — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:58:45 -0500

Now boys we are in a new fangled military. We have to be PC. We have to be sure we don't hurt the feelings of the newbees that have not earned the right to wear their combat patch yet. They might get offended and sue, because it their right. Lets not hurt the newbees feelings.

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Mar 3 at 2016 3:02 PM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:02:03 -0500

Sure, just as soon as you take your rank off too. Your higher rank hurts my feelings. While you're at it go ahead and remove ribbons and awards from the dress uniform cause I might have less than you and that's not fair either. (Eye roll)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:02 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:02:49 -0500

No, the patch that I have I earned and I don't think that's it fair to no wear them because a few individuals are in their feelings. Nothing is given, it is earned. So they should wait patiently for their time

Response by SGT Nicholas Baum made Mar 3 at 2016 3:02 PM

SGT Nicholas Baum — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:02:53 -0500

Those patches show experience. When a new soldier sees that patch they know that person has been where the rubber meets the road.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:05:38 -0500

It's an embarrassment that a unit would do this.

Response by MSgt Brad Johnson made Mar 3 at 2016 3:10 PM

MSgt Brad Johnson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:10:30 -0500

I'm retired Air Force but as a Loadmaster I spent most of career working with other branches and I even pulled a joint-service assignment. I won't proclaim to be an expert in AR 670-1 but I don't believe a Brigade commander can arbitrarily deny unit members from wearing the SSI-FWTS since the AR specifically says you can. Even if he/she has the authorization, what's the point of denying its' wear. I'm pretty sure a few soldiers have ARCOMs, MSMs, Bronze Stars and maybe even a Silver Star. Do you tell them they can't wear their medals because the FNGs don't have any. While you're at it, remove the TIS and TIC hash marks. There used to be a time that rank has its privileges but now, everyone has to be equal.

Response by 1SG Jacob Baty made Mar 3 at 2016 3:11 PM

1SG Jacob Baty — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:11:02 -0500

Pretty excited that my retirement orders came in last month. New Zealand seems like a great place to live.

Response by MSG James Crowell made Mar 3 at 2016 3:16 PM

MSG James Crowell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:16:48 -0500

WTF is wrong with you i did my time in as a female and did four combat zones from 1979 to 2000 and if your feelings are hurt drop and give me 50 and as your are down there think what is your malfunction with your thinking and when i let you up i will ask you again what is your problem

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Mar 3 at 2016 3:19 PM

MAJ Ron Peery — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:19:09 -0500

Now that we've all seen how bad things can get under miserable leadership, lets take hold of the situation, learn from it, clean out the deadwood and put new leadership in place that can bring us back to awesome.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:19 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:19:29 -0500

So, what's next...remove airborne and air assault wings, ranger tabs, drill sergeant badges because not everyone has them???

This generation of new Soliders needs to toughen up! I would gladly give back my tours in combat to have the time with my family!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:19:59 -0500

Seriously!! Is this even a question?!? This isn't boy/Girl Scouts I'm sorry but this softness needs to stop! The ones who have deployed in a combat zone deserve their patch! I did a Peace keeping mission and I don't have a patch for deployment because it wasn't combat& I'm ok with that!! People need to relax & do what they signed up to do!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:22:07 -0500

Combat patch is earned! Not given! So fuzzy wait your turn like I am as well... Ps lol at no name unit, but it's tagged on the bottom lol!!! #Mortars

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:24:48 -0500

3rd bct 101

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:29:14 -0500

That is stupid in my professional opinion. Soldiers should wear what they earn. That goes for everything earned. They shouldn't take that away from their troops!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:31 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:31:37 -0500

if you earn an award, let's say MOH. You can't display it because everyone does not have one? Everyone does not get a trophy

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:32 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:32:02 -0500

F THAT!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS? What kind of question is that? they earned them they wear them. I'll be damned if someone removes my awards and acheivemenst

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:35:36 -0500

Why are we worrying about feelings. When I came in I would look forward to talk with someone with a combat patch. WTF.

Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made Mar 3 at 2016 3:35 PM

SSG Nick Tramontano — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:35:53 -0500

Sounds ridiculous !!

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 3:40 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:40:57 -0500

I would disagree heavily with that policy.

Response by CPL Scott Young made Mar 3 at 2016 3:41 PM

CPL Scott Young — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:41:54 -0500

Response by Leigh Fields made Mar 3 at 2016 3:51 PM

Leigh Fields — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:51:39 -0500

NO! Those patches were earned at the possible expense of their lives! You want one? Get your arse out there and earn it. My Dad and sons EARNED theirs and I will be damned if they do not deserve to wear them with pride! This has to be a BS question *shakes head*

Response by LT Adam Morgan made Mar 3 at 2016 3:51 PM

LT Adam Morgan — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:51:49 -0500

Just do away with campaign ribbons and CIBs at the same time, I guess.

Response by Sgt Jim Gonzales made Mar 3 at 2016 3:59 PM

Sgt Jim Gonzales — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 15:59:55 -0500

Leave em ON they deserve them, they earned em and not to worry the way the president has this country the "boots" will get there's soon!!

Response by Sgt Jim Gonzales made Mar 3 at 2016 4:02 PM

Sgt Jim Gonzales — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:02:53 -0500

Leave em ON, they earned the patch. The "boots" will get theres soon enough, who ever came up with that bs order is getting to soft. Time to get a new job.

Response by LCpl Suzie Kelley made Mar 3 at 2016 4:08 PM

LCpl Suzie Kelley — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:08:08 -0500

NOPE! I never saw combat, so don't rate any of the patches/ribbons, etc. associated with such. Keep 'em on, You Earned Them!

Response by SPC David Glines made Mar 3 at 2016 4:08 PM

SPC David Glines — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:08:21 -0500

Suck it up if your in long enough you will get one it's not hard to get hell go to FT.DRUM there the most deployed combat division in the Army

Response by SGT David Cairns made Mar 3 at 2016 4:10 PM

SGT David Cairns — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:10:11 -0500

Hell no they need to earn it!!!

Response by AB Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:11 PM

AB Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:11:07 -0500

I took my pants off too.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:18:28 -0500

I was at Fort Campbell for two and a half years and never once got to deploy with my BCT because I was in a BSB. I saw all these soldiers returning from deployment with their patches but I never once thought I was left out. I never got the opportunity to deploy, so be it. I'm not going to take away from someone else's pride because I was upset over not having a patch myself. They earned it, let them keep it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:18:46 -0500

I think everyone should take off rank. Cause anytime I see someone with more rank than me I feel bad.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:21 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:21:12 -0500

Should we also remove the flag since it might offend someone?

Response by SGT Gregory Speck made Mar 3 at 2016 4:25 PM

SGT Gregory Speck — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:25:12 -0500

The dipshit who came up with such an idea should be beaten, thrown in an overflowing port-a-shitter, then have said shitter flipped over.

Response by SGT Christopher Premore made Mar 3 at 2016 4:27 PM

SGT Christopher Premore — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:27:15 -0500

This is about 3BDE 101 and it's a true story. Hopefully there isn't a war because with leadership like today's military has we are screwed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:32:33 -0500

Why is this question even being entertained? PC is ruining peoples normal thought process.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:35:03 -0500

No, for this to happen even for a BDE CMDR to do so would be a violation of 670-1 which states the wearing of the Former Wartime Service Patch is at the leisure of the soldier and at their discretion to which one they wear that they have earned during combat time. The army has become so enthralled with ensuring no ones feelings are hurt they have nearly destroyed every sense of what the army is in the past decade. The army is so worried about PV2 Snuffy completing his 350-1 training that PV2 Snuffy doesn't even know his job because ACTUAL training takes a back burner to SHARP/EO/MRT classes.

Response by MSG Carl Mcmorris made Mar 3 at 2016 4:37 PM

MSG Carl Mcmorris — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:37:47 -0500

Hell no

Response by SPC Lloyd Putman III made Mar 3 at 2016 4:38 PM

SPC Lloyd Putman III — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:38:42 -0500

Not all deployments or duty stations with hazardous duty yield a combat patch. Some combat patches just plain suck. I'm an Army vet, have been a VFW member since 1995 and I have no combat patch. Get over your butt hurt. Hell, only combat infantry get their combat badge, but there's a ton of grunts without one. Are they less of a soldier? No, butthurt is for entitled little b*tches, now get over yourself and get to work.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 4:55 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:55:49 -0500

hell naw!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 5:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:07:13 -0500

This is the Rakkasans (sorry if my spelling sucks).

The army is way to politically correct, and leadership doesn't really care about soldiers, that's why most of them get out! (Check out the army retention rates)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 5:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:14:22 -0500

If it is true... Its ridiculous!!!! Whats next?? My husband earned those. Bunch of brats complaining. And worst.... Who is listening? Ugh

Response by CPL Dean Jeffers made Mar 3 at 2016 5:18 PM

CPL Dean Jeffers — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:18:28 -0500

Being a New PFC I always envied the combat patches in the late 80s. I made me strive to be a better soldier. Now with several I'm able to wear I made me proud to have reached the goal of being that soldier. It now makes me walk with more pride in knowing I've earned them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 5:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:21:44 -0500

You cant be serious!

Response by TSgt Raymond Smith made Mar 3 at 2016 5:33 PM

TSgt Raymond Smith — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:33:20 -0500

That is just not right. They earned those patches. These new troops need to put their big boy and girl pants on and stop crying, grow up.

Response by SSG Gary Starr made Mar 3 at 2016 5:43 PM

SSG Gary Starr — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:43:53 -0500

That is some bullshit!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 5:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:55:39 -0500

Hell no that was earned they haven't earned it yet keep the patch shut it noobs and grow a pair!!

Response by PFC Judy Embry-Hoover made Mar 3 at 2016 5:58 PM

PFC Judy Embry-Hoover — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 17:58:45 -0500

They earned the right to wear those patches. You can't say that an E1 or E2 will never see combat, you don't know what the next day brings. Your wrong to take away what those men and women earned so someone who had never been there or may never be there doesn't feel left out, their turn will come.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 3 at 2016 6:00 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:00:18 -0500

Negative! A Combat patch is earned and worn. The new troops will just have to earn the right to wear one. It also serves as a constant reminder to those that have served in a combat theatre.

Response by SGT Vincente Pinaula made Mar 3 at 2016 6:10 PM

SGT Vincente Pinaula — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:10:14 -0500

These are patches earned while in combat. Those who have them should be looked up upon.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 6:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:13:05 -0500

I have yet to have a combat deployment, that being said no soliders who have earned the patch should be able to wear it. Wanting guys to take something off that they have earned is like saying that you can only wear the ribbons you get at basic on your ASU's so people dont feel left out. They have earned that patch let them wear it

Response by SGT Vincente Pinaula made Mar 3 at 2016 6:17 PM

SGT Vincente Pinaula — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:17:22 -0500

What is going on here?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 6:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:17:44 -0500

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/06/18/unit-promotes-no-patch-badge-rule-in-training/28927601/
I saw that the 101st leadership is "denying knowledge" however, I do believe this is happening as it's not the first time (as previously posted by others) and was clearly allowed (gotten away with?). That being said:
My question is for the Senior Leadership we have floating around on RallyPoint: From this article, Col. David Hodne appeared very comfortable and justified in requiring his Soldiers to remove their combat patches to assist in stimulating esprit de corps and team-building while in the field. As a Senior Leader, if this was your Brigade Commander, how would you have addressed this? Also, is there discussion amongst senior levels that this is a technique that works in regards to esprit de corps, team-building, cohesion?
I appreciate any insight.

Personally I don't agree with removal, it represents much more than a combat deployment to so many. In addition, I know when I was a junior Soldier, before I deployed, I would look at those with the patch and feel a sense of pride, admiration, and I felt like I could go to these experienced individuals as a resource. But that's just my two cents. Gotta love the Good Idea Fairies....where would we be without you? Oh yeah....wearing our combat patches..

Edit

BCT banishes combat patches, badges to boost morale

You earn it, you keep it, you wear it. That's how soldiers epitomize their time in the Army, with the insignia and combat patches and badges that

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 6:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:18:35 -0500

This is absurd. We earned that patch just like you would earn airborne wings or any other identifier. Why should I have to belittle my accomplishments and experience because joe snuffy just got in the army.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 6:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:21:03 -0500

Everyone gets a trophy mentality!

Response by LCpl Tad Cunningham made Mar 3 at 2016 6:28 PM

LCpl Tad Cunningham — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:28:33 -0500

This is the same as if they made everyone only wear a national defense ribbon because junior service members don't have a fat stack and feel left out that they haven't earned what the E4 has in 3 years or the SNCO who's in his 12th year or the SgtMaj who's been in for over 20.

Response by SGT Jeremy Lassiter made Mar 3 at 2016 6:33 PM

SGT Jeremy Lassiter — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:33:46 -0500

????????

Response by SSgt Robert Clark made Mar 3 at 2016 6:40 PM

SSgt Robert Clark — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:40:13 -0500

Really!? This is an issue!? Sounds like a bunch of E1's and E2's need a swift kick in the butt and a lesson on what serving means. Good grief, and everyone says the AF is going soft! Besides that, being that we are into year 15 of a never ending conflict in the Middle East, they will have their opportunity soon enough.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 6:41 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:41:17 -0500

Totally wrong for the leadership to even recommend it. If this is true I hope all badges and tabs were removed as well! Just as bad as units that try to dictate which SSI-FWS a Soldier can wear.

Response by SrA James Hoganson made Mar 3 at 2016 6:42 PM

SrA James Hoganson — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:42:08 -0500

Is this a serious question? It's not April yet.

Response by SPC Carlton Gonder made Mar 3 at 2016 6:50 PM

SPC Carlton Gonder — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 18:50:23 -0500

Grow some

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 7:00 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:00:03 -0500

They just did the promotion system like that as well....feels like they are punishing the ones who deployed because others didn't......not fair at all....hell no they shouldn't......earn your keeps just like the rest of us did

Response by 1SG Joe Benacci made Mar 3 at 2016 7:13 PM

1SG Joe Benacci — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:13:45 -0500

Why don't we take our rank off too!

Response by SFC Kemanyi Nix made Mar 3 at 2016 7:26 PM

SFC Kemanyi Nix — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:26:54 -0500

The military is not about feelings but about orders. I understand that there has to be an emotional intelligence, but don't over do it. If you go with that philosophy where will it stop? Are you going to give them officer rank next because they want more money and don't feel a part because they are privates?

Response by CPL Holly Bond made Mar 3 at 2016 7:47 PM

CPL Holly Bond — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 19:47:27 -0500

Tough shut turds you haven't deployed yet then to damn bad you don't have a patch earn it like everyone who has been to the suck and back. Don't piss on the ones who have cause you haven't earned it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 8:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:20:00 -0500

Wow. Just wow. I can remember the first time I saw someone with a combat patch in Basic. All I could think was that dude must be a serious bad ass and I will never have one of those. A year later I did. If this really is a true story all of us better start learning Russian and Chinese. HFS.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 8:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:34:47 -0500

Its a sign that you have served your country....if you want one go earn it

Response by SGT William Randall made Mar 3 at 2016 8:47 PM

SGT William Randall — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:47:04 -0500

Has the military become just like society everyone gets a trophy. Should people take off medals and how about jump wings, air assault, ranger tabs, special forces tabs. Bernie Sanders society here we come. Time out cards safe zones wtf.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 8:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:52:10 -0500

This is ridiculous!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 8:57 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:57:35 -0500

So if I've never deployed, what's next, I don't have a pathfinder, CAB, AIR ASSAULT, etc. You going to make them take that off too? You earned it, you should be allowed to show it. Oh you earned your chevrons? Take em off, cuz I don't have them.

Response by Laura Waters made Mar 3 at 2016 8:58 PM

Laura Waters — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:58:18 -0500

This is a joke correct? These soldiers EARNED that patch, just like the veterans earned their benefits. Quit taking things from our soldiers, no matter how big or small, to appease people. They will earn one eventually! GET A GRIP!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 9:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:16:59 -0500

Saying to remove combat patches to make the newbies feel better is like telling someone who bought a new car to drive a junker, or someone give their kids to an orphanage because some couples are sterile. This unit's cadre needs to file a Hurt Feeling report. There are few things given to soldiers to honor their commitment to a thankless job and now some commander is trying to strip a little bit more from their soldiers?

I did one crap tour in Iraq, I see my patch as a reminder that hey, maybe I actually contributed something during my service.

I see this kind of response as a symptom of having a democrat in the White House for the last eight years.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 9:17 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:17:58 -0500

It is a matter of pride, unity, showing experienced from inexperienced. there are more things that can bring a unit together. this is just someone who probably hasnt deployed & doesnt have a patch so he wants others to look like him

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 9:24 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:24:29 -0500

Somebody voted "yes" on that...Further proof I made the right decision dropping that refrad, thanks for that whoever you are.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 9:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:30:01 -0500

I enlisted in the early 80s. There were a lot of Vietnam vets around. The young guys looked up to them and learned from their experience.

Response by SSG James Bigbie made Mar 3 at 2016 9:32 PM

SSG James Bigbie — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:32:21 -0500

When I went to OSUT in 83, our Drill Sergeant had 3 different patches for combat service that he wore on different BDU's. Think we weren't impressed? I get what the Commander said, but I don't agree. All soldiers deserve to take pride in what they have done, and the lower-ranking should be able to see that their NCO's and officers have experience in harm's way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 9:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:32:57 -0500

If a patch is enough to distract your soldiers from training and limit unit cohesion you have bigger problems in the ranks. Removing patches is a sorry attempt to put a bandaid on a bigger issue. If you can't build cohesion between new soldiers and older ones fix it through leadership or fix the leadership.

Response by SFC Douglas Isbell made Mar 3 at 2016 9:36 PM

SFC Douglas Isbell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:36:02 -0500

He'll no we all who have deployed earned the right to wear them and and know one has the the right to order you to remove or wear a specific patch it is you choice on to wear what patch or none at all.....

Response by SPC Chris Soward made Mar 3 at 2016 9:53 PM

SPC Chris Soward — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:53:52 -0500

What ever upper echelon loser came up with this needs to resign his commission and forfeit their VA benefits. If it's a SRNCO they should be charged with conduct unbecoming and given a BCD

Response by Douglas O'Nei made Mar 3 at 2016 10:03 PM

Douglas O'Nei — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:03:45 -0500

uh,wtf then why do we have special forces--like navy seals

Response by SFC Chet Crowell made Mar 3 at 2016 10:12 PM

SFC Chet Crowell — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:12:38 -0500

If this is true, it's such a sad sign of the times! My old 1SGT would have smoked my balls if I had ever whined about something like this.

Response by SSG Phillip Blake made Mar 3 at 2016 10:16 PM

SSG Phillip Blake — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:16:25 -0500

This is not one of those sensitivity training required in the military for unit cohesion, this is what happen in the military, if a unit is deployed in a combat theater..I'm hoping this is not so, and hope the military still have some strong leadership to push back instantly.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 10:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:16:42 -0500

This is just more of the "everyone gets an award/trophy" generation - now they're in the Army - which should be the biggest dose of the "real world" they get - but, instead they're too pussified to handle the truth. Not everyone is a winner. Not everyone deployed. Get the hell over it, over.

Response by SFC Jeff Gurchinoff made Mar 3 at 2016 10:19 PM

SFC Jeff Gurchinoff — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:19:59 -0500

You mean to tell me 2% of you candy assed sons of bitches said yes???????? I wonder which PFC that BDE CDR is going to ask to approve his leave form??? Holy hell I'm glad I retired. Do me a favor, if the SHTF just leave me out of it I'll go rogue and keep my Hooah all to myself instead.

Response by SSG Ed Silverthorn made Mar 3 at 2016 10:27 PM

SSG Ed Silverthorn — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:27:10 -0500

My question....who are the 2% that answered 'yes' to the question?

Response by SGT Shane Darst made Mar 3 at 2016 10:37 PM

SGT Shane Darst — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:37:04 -0500

What a wasted sack of cells....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 10:37 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:37:50 -0500

Too bad they don't make patches for feelings.

Response by SPC Terry Castro made Mar 3 at 2016 10:41 PM

SPC Terry Castro — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:41:04 -0500

No we should not. Those patches are earned and should be proudly worn. What's up with the whiners? When did this happen?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 10:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:43:37 -0500

The only way you are removing my combat patch from my uniform is to chop off my right arm.

Response by 1SG John Aaron made Mar 3 at 2016 10:50 PM

1SG John Aaron — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:50:20 -0500

When I was a young PVT in the 1980s. The guys with combat patches were an inspiration for me. Not a source of "hey that's not fair!". The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality must be driven out of the military ruthlessly.

Response by SSgt Colleen Detar made Mar 3 at 2016 11:07 PM

SSgt Colleen Detar — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:07:04 -0500

Wtf? I am a 10 year AF Vet. Non combatant. While I am proud of my service in No Way do I feel like I have sacrificed even a teaspoon full of what our combat vets have given (just ps- I have two army Sons, so ai DO get it). I am thankful for their bravery, humility and sacrifice every single day of my life. Wear them with pride guys!

Response by SPC Michael Reeder made Mar 3 at 2016 11:12 PM

SPC Michael Reeder — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:12:39 -0500

When I got to my first unit I saw everyone who deployed with a patch on their arm and I couldn't wait to earn mine. There was only one time I had a combat patch on my arm in which it felt wrong. I did a change of command ceremony for our BDE as well as Btn. They had all of us wearing them and after the ceremony I felt uneasy about the patch being ony arm because I didn't earn it. We got back to our unit and I took it off and I felt a lot better. Now I earned two of them and I feel a sense of honor when I was in uniform. I wouldn't hesitate to having them ony arm. Because I know I earned it. Now to the enlisted who haven't been deployed yet. Don't get all down because you don't have one, your time will come.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 11:16 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:16:55 -0500

Wow and I thought my Air Force was the only ones going full PC.

Response by SFC Russ Chapman made Mar 3 at 2016 11:18 PM

SFC Russ Chapman — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:18:20 -0500

Signs of week leadership if you want my opinion when I joined I looked up to those guys with combat patches they where the goto guys with answers to situations

Response by PO2 Beverly Williams made Mar 3 at 2016 11:38 PM

PO2 Beverly Williams — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:38:48 -0500

They earned it. The e-1 and e-2 will get theirs soon enough.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2016 11:45 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:45:47 -0500

This is a ridiculous idea if I ever heard one. Combat badges are earned and have meaning. This is almost as bad as these folks in the current election wanting free college education given to them instead of having to earn it. I say no and HELL NO!

Response by CPT Keith Messinger made Mar 3 at 2016 11:52 PM

CPT Keith Messinger — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:52:10 -0500

When I was in the no one gave a shit about what E1's andE2's were thinking or "feeling."

Response by CPT Keith Messinger made Mar 3 at 2016 11:54 PM

CPT Keith Messinger — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:54:53 -0500

Who the hell are the 1%ers? When I was in the Army no one gave a shit about what E1's and E2's felt or thought.

Response by SPC Jason Hagan made Mar 3 at 2016 11:57 PM

SPC Jason Hagan — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:57:26 -0500

This is ridiculous to even suggest. Next you'll be asking to leave off commendations so the Pvt. Isn't intemadated. I went in in 93 so not many had combat patches and CIB's. But I was in awe of my Bn CSM and his 173 combat patch from Vietnam.

Response by PO2 Scott Taylor made Mar 4 at 2016 12:01 AM

PO2 Scott Taylor — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:01:05 -0500

I sincerely hope this is not being considered. The "political correctness" and "safe spaces" crap has gone too far and needs to stop, now. Why strive to do anything "above and beyond" if someone, somewhere is going to get their feelings hurt over your accomplishments and you're told you con't wear your earned ribbons?!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 12:12 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:12:15 -0500

No wonder why everyone thinks privates are pussies. This new Army bullshit is, well, bullshit. Wish things where the same as when my father was in. We'd be able to single out the non hackers and the Army would be a much better organization.

Response by Sharon Rudolph made Mar 4 at 2016 12:20 AM

Sharon Rudolph — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:20:27 -0500

They went and fought for there country they deserve to wear them. Tell the new people once they have fought for are country then they may have theirs. Tell them to proudly wear their patches.

Response by MSG Bob Metz made Mar 4 at 2016 12:21 AM

MSG Bob Metz — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:21:33 -0500

This part of service and traditions. I did not earn my combat patch until my 29th year of service. I volunteered on at least 3 previous times and thought I would never earn the right to wear a CP before I retired. Then my unit deployed for OIF II. My 27 years of service meant no less to me than my last 5. I held every soldier w/ CP with a certain level of respect during those 27 years. From the start they were an example to me of military culture and Army tradition. It is important that this "silent" lesson to the troops...

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Mar 4 at 2016 12:25 AM

SFC Benjamin Varlese — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:25:16 -0500

I responded earlier but it occured to me certain policies should be addressed. There is a blanket caveat to 670-1 that justifies idiocy like this: "A Commander may add to but not take away from the Army standard". This means a CO or BC can order all their troops to be uniform for whatever reason. While I abhor such decisions, it is in their right, however subordinates can use command climate surveys and other official grievance methods to address morale issues etc. The fact there is a good deal of CYA and backpedaling by senior leaders in the 101st right now, grievances are being heard

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 1:10 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:10:51 -0500

I've read many articles written on this issue and the one thing that I find interesting is that there seems to be a "garrison uniform" and a "field training uniform". Someone tell me when this was added to the regulation and to which one can it be found? Uniform is a uniform whether work in Harrison or training environment which is why badges were made to be sewn on and subdued so that they aren't a problem while training.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 1:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:22:22 -0500

Next thing you know, we'll only be allowed to wear the thanks for playing medals everyone gets for graduating basic. What's next, we stop wearing our rank too so that way the fuzzies don't feel left out for not having any rank yet?

Response by SFC Chris Horton made Mar 4 at 2016 1:34 AM

SFC Chris Horton — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:34:25 -0500

Sensitivity training. I remember when this all started in the late 90's. I believe this over sensitivity is making our military weak. My old crusty 1sg warned be about this when I was a buck, I'll never forget what he said and his statements are proving to be correct.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 1:39 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:39:36 -0500

Actually, I always feel left out when I see stripes on the chests of my superiors. I think it'd be really nice if they weren't allowed to wear those. Also, my cover messes up my hair. I don't think we should have to wear them if we don't want to! And while we're on the topic, "Casual Fridays" is something I was always hoping to have in my job atmosphere...

No. Hell no. They should feel left out. They didn't deploy. It sounds to me like the leadership in that situation hasn't taught them enough about Army history.

Response by PO2 Sean Carlson made Mar 4 at 2016 1:40 AM

PO2 Sean Carlson — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:40:19 -0500

How is this even a question?

Response by SGT Mark Koenig made Mar 4 at 2016 1:40 AM

SGT Mark Koenig — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:40:59 -0500

Let them get deployed to earn their own patch. I bet once they have it they'll wish they never went.

Response by SSG O Clark made Mar 4 at 2016 1:44 AM

SSG O Clark — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:44:04 -0500

Don't worry they will get there chance to go , but the rest of us earned that right to wear it

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Mar 4 at 2016 1:44 AM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:44:18 -0500

I'm not a combat vet but have the utmost respect for those who saw fire. You earned that patch and you should goddamn well be free from restrictions to wear it! This is like getting "participation trophies" so no one feels like a loser in youth soccer.

Response by A1C Dennis Dube made Mar 4 at 2016 2:00 AM

A1C Dennis Dube — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 02:00:29 -0500

Sack the Idiot who came up with this crap.you weren't there, you weren't there . whatever happened to you have to achieve the patch, or a Combat infantry badge....WTF!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 2:18 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 02:18:44 -0500

Um...why again did you join the Military??? This is not Daycare so if these babies wanna cry, then are in the wrong place!!!

Response by SPC Jackson Stevens made Mar 4 at 2016 3:30 AM

SPC Jackson Stevens — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 03:30:36 -0500

Lets remove all ribbons. WTH, let's go real touchy-feely and remove all the rank.

Response by PO3 Adam Finley made Mar 4 at 2016 4:18 AM

PO3 Adam Finley — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 04:18:05 -0500

These combat patches and certain awards like a combat action ribbons are badges of honor that are earned. Those that wear them should not be stripped of them for any reason what so ever, especially because some boot feels left out. When I was a young pup I looked up to the guys who earned these awards, gave you something to aspire towards. They want them, let them go out and earn them....if they feel left out, don't worry you'll get your choice soon enough. There enough bad guys to go around.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 6:50 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:50:23 -0500

To the 2% that voted yes to this WTH are YOU thinking!!! You have to EARN what you get and then show it off with pride!!

Response by PV2 Donald Dean made Mar 4 at 2016 7:08 AM

PV2 Donald Dean — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:08:44 -0500

What kind of poor little ole me infantry is this? These soldiers have been to combat, they should be allowed, nah required to display these badges during training. That way the privates can see them and respect the position of these soldiers as combat veterans. In the armed forces discipline is paramount. You don't get badges for sitting on your hands. Are you going make everyone take off their expert markmanship badge because someone else only got sharpshooter?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:11 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:11:35 -0500

This is about as much bull shit as the National Guard I volunteered to go to Iraq with after leaving the active duty Marine Coros to go to college. There was an undisclosed E-7 and above ceremony where a bunch of slubs relieved bronze stars. Not one of them did anything to deserve them. Some of them never even left the wire. Fing joke.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:13 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:13:51 -0500

Must be that cav unit that just left for training. My neighbor's wife was telling me her husband was upset because they was told to take it off to not upset privates that don't have a combat patch.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:23 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:23:47 -0500

Give me a break.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:25:12 -0500

I had a BDE CO that did this in 1/503 for all field problems inluding all tabs. His reasoning was that it was all about your laft shoulder not your right. It is one of the many reasons why after making 6 in 5 yrs im getting out.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:55 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 07:55:25 -0500

NOW THIS IS CRAZY, SOLDIERS THAT COME INTO THE MILITARY NOW WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING. I AGREE WITH SFC STEVE RENNER, YOU MIGHT AS WELL REMOVE RANK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. COME ONNNNNNN!!!!!

Response by SSG Ryan Moore made Mar 4 at 2016 8:04 AM

SSG Ryan Moore — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:04:08 -0500

WTH??!!! Are you serious? That's about as bad as giving IET/AIT students unit patches so they don't feel like they're the odd ones out. Last time I checked, I earned my combat patches!

Response by SPC Mark Simmons made Mar 4 at 2016 8:14 AM

SPC Mark Simmons — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:14:12 -0500

I was in the Army in 77 to 80. To have asked a Vietnam Veteran to take off his combat patch because I didn't have one, would have been unthinkable. That is THE STUPIDEST idea, I have ever heard.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 8:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:19:18 -0500

NOPE

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 8:21 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:21:16 -0500

It's like my two warfare devices(ESWS and EXW), I earned those devices I bear on my chest... earn them and be proud of your achievements like we feel..

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 8:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:31:15 -0500

There's no reason to be weird about this. It was the 101st "Rakassans" (spelling may be off)

Response by 1SG Gerald Schroeder made Mar 4 at 2016 8:32 AM

1SG Gerald Schroeder — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:32:53 -0500

This is crazy. What next, take away medals and ribbons as well. What a sensitive ass army we've become. Where we bowl to the squabbling of privates. This is just a reflection of how the POTUS has weakened our military over the past eight years. This retired 1SG says screw them, just like in my day they will get their chance.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 8:33 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:33:40 -0500

If you make everyone remove their combat parch where does it stop? Will the CIB/EIB or the CAB have to be taken off too? Not everyone has one. Or how about the gold and silver Spurs? No one should have remove something they gave earned.

Response by Sgt Jamie Grippin made Mar 4 at 2016 8:42 AM

Sgt Jamie Grippin — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:42:38 -0500

As a Marine I have always thought there was too much stuff stuck to the Army's uniform but taking the patch away ranks up there with giving trophies out to all the kids that played instead of just rewarding the victors. If you want the combat patch then earn it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 8:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:45:44 -0500

Maybe we should remove unit patches too! I feel left out of other units.

Response by SGT Gregory Post made Mar 4 at 2016 8:47 AM

SGT Gregory Post — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:47:34 -0500

I think that rangers should stop wearing the tab, and SF it makes people feel left out. Also upon completion of BCT every soldier should get a bronze star so when in dress uniform they won't feel left out. Further nobody is allowed to wear rank insignia so that nobody feels less important than the next. We have to be sensitive to this participation trophy generation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:03 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:03:01 -0500

is this another duffle blog post? Cuz if it is NOT this is too ridiculous (sp), I mean SERIOUSLY? Just because he/she/they didn't deploy doesn't mean THE ENTIRE UNIT THAT DID should/must take off their combat patches, I mean COME ON....*smh*

Response by MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect made Mar 4 at 2016 9:28 AM

MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:28:10 -0500

Really? Is this even a question?

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Mar 4 at 2016 9:29 AM

SSG Wally Lawver — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:29:24 -0500

I am so glad I am retired at this point so much PC BS:)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:35:22 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 10:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:02:44 -0500

How about giving everyone who hasn't deployed a chance to deploy.? I was in for 20 years, and though I volunteered for every mission, I still never got deployed. I dont think the system realizes that it is an honor and a privilege to deploy with your people. I always wish that I'd have gone 'across the pond' and I detest when people tell me that it wasn't meant to be or that the plan for me was something else.

Response by SGT Nathan Vitartas made Mar 4 at 2016 10:14 AM

SGT Nathan Vitartas — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:14:39 -0500

Does that mean you shouldn't wear rank so people don't feel left out? Or skill badges and tabs? Better yet don't let anyone wear their metals on their dress uniforms because it hurts people's feelings they haven't earned anything yet.

Response by SSG Warren Fugate made Mar 4 at 2016 10:16 AM

SSG Warren Fugate — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:16:38 -0500

In the new PC, world we live in i could see this being ordered! But to answer the question, NO!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 10:17 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:17:55 -0500

You got to be kidding me?!? Remove earned patches because newbies don't feel included?!? Any leadership that advocates such foolishness needs some good old fashion Wall to Wall Counseling!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 10:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 10:29:52 -0500

Whatever happened to the sense of pride for Soldiers who have fought and died for our country? That is part of the history of wearing a "Combat Patch". I am sure that these newbies will get their opportunity to earn a patch.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 11:59 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:59:21 -0500

Why is this a question! You earn it, you wear it. You don't, then earn it!

Response by MAJ Robert Doshi made Mar 4 at 2016 12:03 PM

MAJ Robert Doshi — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:03:27 -0500

If one of my kids were in this unit and one of the whiners, I would have a serious discussion with them. The Army used to be warriors, not whiners.

Response by SPC James Dollins made Mar 4 at 2016 12:25 PM

SPC James Dollins — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:25:36 -0500

HELL NO! I EARNED that patch! Just because the Army is going 'Kindler & Gentler, (Which is a whole other conversation) doesn't mean that the honor of wearing that patch should be taken away because of the little sensitive crybabys being pushed out these days!!!

Response by SFC Michael Kinnerk made Mar 4 at 2016 12:43 PM

SFC Michael Kinnerk — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:43:45 -0500

This better not be true. I retired from the Army. E-1 or E-2 without combat patch is normal. The ones who should be left out and moved so they can deploy were the E-7's and higher who did not have one or it was one from Dessert Storm.

Response by SPC Timothy Repetto made Mar 4 at 2016 12:45 PM

SPC Timothy Repetto — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:45:22 -0500

HELL NO. That's complete and utterly the most dumb-founded thing i have ever heard to be suggested. When your a leader and your wearing a Combat Infantry Badge and Airborne Wings, you also have your combat patch the guys that you lead look up to you. want to be like you because of all of your achievements. Here's an idea why don't we just dress our military up in civilian clothes. Saves money and don't have to worry about patches. Political Correctness at it's finest. Think my answer is no.

Response by MSG Dee Rosario-King made Mar 4 at 2016 12:48 PM

MSG Dee Rosario-King — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:48:21 -0500

Response by SPC George Abram made Mar 4 at 2016 1:17 PM

SPC George Abram — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:17:13 -0500

My service in the late 60's viewed the combat patch as a sign of honor and service of those who pay the price with their total self and sometimes their life. For me it meant and still does, Screaming Eagles looking forward and covering my back as well, my patches and their meaning will always be there..

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 1:29 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:29:30 -0500

Hey, maybe we should just not let anyone wear medals and everyone should be the same rank!!! Because if everyone doesn't have it, then no one should! How about that? No people heart, no MOH. Just level the playing field for these sorry turds. Here's a hint, go civilian if you want to whine and complain about everything.

Response by SGT Jeremy Phillips made Mar 4 at 2016 1:46 PM

SGT Jeremy Phillips — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:46:45 -0500

Not NO, H*** NO!!!!

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Mar 4 at 2016 1:58 PM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:58:59 -0500

No. Everyone contributes to the fight in their own way. We all don't see combat, but each person that serves provides a vital service. I'm a Logs and Records Marine. I didn't see combat, but I maintained the records to make sure my aircraft were ready for the fight.

Response by SN Matthew Goforth made Mar 4 at 2016 2:25 PM

SN Matthew Goforth — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:25:47 -0500

HELL NO! Those patches are EARNED and something you strive for in a combat regiment. The patches should NEVER be removed!

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Mar 4 at 2016 2:30 PM

SSG Keith Cashion — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:30:17 -0500

This is an old story from last year.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 2:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:52:17 -0500

We deployed, we was away from our family, we did earn the patch so I don't see why we have to be sensitive to those who haven't earn it... They can always volunteer to get one IJS

Response by SGT Robert Jensik made Mar 4 at 2016 2:58 PM

SGT Robert Jensik — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:58:36 -0500

E-1s & E-2s have feelings? "Yeah, that's that squeak you hear when one of them gets in the cleats of your boots." Oh, thanks Top. "Drive-on, son."

Response by MAJ Joseph Ward made Mar 4 at 2016 2:59 PM

MAJ Joseph Ward — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 14:59:18 -0500

Uhm no, when I went to basic I was in awe of the Vietnam Vets with their patches and just had respect for them. Should be treated just as skill badges, they earned the right to wear them. Let's put a limit on the sensitivity crap.

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Mar 4 at 2016 3:04 PM

SSG Red Hoffman — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:04:59 -0500

I will guarantee you that this was not an effort to not hurt the tent pegs feelings rather then the brand new butter bars who would have to deal with the fact that they do not wear a combat patch. I do believe that if you are not wearing an authorized uniform accoutrement, you would be deemed out of uniform. If nothing else, displaying the combat patch will show the new recruits as well as the new officers they deserve the respect given to ANY soldier who has seen combat. To all of those soldiers, I salute you. Thank you for your service.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 3:10 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:10:31 -0500

no, they can just earn them when it's their turn too.

Response by SCPO Penny Douphinett made Mar 4 at 2016 3:37 PM

SCPO Penny Douphinett — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:37:04 -0500

It is a sad state of affairs that this is an issue. Glad I'm not going to have to rely on those sensitive souls to watch my back! They will be too busy trying to get mommy to write their Congressman for some stupid reason or other, probably because someone was mean to them or they didn't get enough sleep when they do get down range!

Response by PO1 James McCollum made Mar 4 at 2016 3:48 PM

PO1 James McCollum — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:48:57 -0500

That's like saying don't wear your rank because someone hasn't achieved that level.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 3:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 15:52:14 -0500

I have not yet deployed and I think this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I feel that if you've earned it, you should wear it. This new Army is getting way too sensitive!!!!!

Response by SSG John Jensen made Mar 4 at 2016 4:20 PM

SSG John Jensen — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:20:07 -0500

Nat'l Guard Bn and Bde Cdrs in '04 were doing it so that they wouldn't be embarresed for not having one.

On the flight back from Iraq, the CO mandated that we all wore uniforms with 4th ID sewn on right shoulder for uniformity, and not 3rd COSCOM (some of us hated our attachment to 4th ID) one partner in crime had 7th ID patch from Panama, had velcro sewn to uniform and patches for a quick change

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 4:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:48:38 -0500

That is a slap in the face to those who deserve to wear it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 4:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:52:46 -0500

The Army isn't about people's feelings getting hurt. It's about doing your job, and being a soldier. Last time I checked we are not the cub scouts and they are grown adults who raised their right hand and signed the dotted line. If it's eo or sharp then that's a different story. Earn what you are seeking. And you are not in high school anymore

Response by SP6 Barry Dahlquist made Mar 4 at 2016 5:45 PM

SP6 Barry Dahlquist — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:45:03 -0500

I really hope this is BS. As for those with hurt feelings, get a effin life. Grow a set of gonades and carry your ass into combat, see your BB get blown away and then complain... This screams "Stress Card"..

Response by SSG Luis Ortiz Rodriguez made Mar 4 at 2016 6:43 PM

SSG Luis Ortiz Rodriguez — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:43:51 -0500

Oh, wait! Our bad "This was a well-intended action taken by a leader that was not well thought out and was quickly corrected,"
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/news/local/fort-campbell/2016/03/04/directive-remove-combat-patches-soldiers-rescinded/81336104/

Directive to remove combat patches on soldiers rescinded

Soldiers were earlier told to remove their combat patches to "build cohesion."

Response by SFC Espi Espi made Mar 4 at 2016 6:43 PM

SFC Espi Espi — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 18:43:56 -0500

Do airborne, air assaultdrill sergeants and many more remove their earned badges because others dont have them, heck nah, earned combat patches you never be removed, they honor the sacrifice by those wearing them, the soldiers hurt or killed that were with the unit at the time and represent why we sacrificed time away from family

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Mar 4 at 2016 7:01 PM

MAJ Raúl Rovira — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 19:01:55 -0500

What is next? Remove everything? Yes, we should remove all of our badges and ribbons so new folks don't get their feelings hurt too.

Only if I was Darth Vader I'd be doing virtual choking from Anchorage. "I find your lack of common sense disturbing".

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:10 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 19:10:37 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 19:22:10 -0500

Is that you Bernie Sanders? Are your feelings hurt? Stay off Rally Point, you bum!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:33 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 19:33:31 -0500

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2016/03/04/101st-airborne--combat-patches-training/81338242/ This was confirmed... and thankfully reversed.

101st Airborne leaders rescind order for soldiers to remove combat patches during training

The 101st Airborne Division’s 3rd Brigade Combat Team has rescinded a directive requiring soldiers to remove their combat patches during a unit training exercise.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 7:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 19:58:53 -0500

It's not the first time this has happened. AR 670-1 authorizes commanders to modify the uniform for certain training needs. My personal opinion is that this is not a good idea in this particular case. New soldiers haven't earned it yet, just like they haven't earned higher rank, president's hundred, or ranger tabs. Are we going to start removing all rank below certain command levels during exercises so newer soldiers don't feel left out or discriminated against? It doesn't seem very good for attrition to piss off the more experienced soldiers like that.

Response by SGT Robert Blue made Mar 4 at 2016 8:04 PM

SGT Robert Blue — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 20:04:20 -0500

I'm fairly certain that you are awarded that patch by way of your dd-214. I don't believe ANY commander can make you remove it legally. Sounds like a trip to JAG is in order.

Response by PO1 Cliff Heath made Mar 4 at 2016 8:09 PM

PO1 Cliff Heath — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 20:09:34 -0500

No way it was earned wear it with pride.

Response by PO1 Wheeler Barlow made Mar 4 at 2016 8:25 PM

PO1 Wheeler Barlow — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 20:25:37 -0500

Absolutely not, if anything it will make the young soldiers eager to deploy to become a member of a very unique fraternity. This is some rose petals and sugar plum type of decision based on care bears and unicorns farts.

Response by SPC William Davis made Mar 4 at 2016 9:11 PM

SPC William Davis — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:11:12 -0500

It is a sad thing to see that the lower enlisted feel bad that they don't have those combat patches. Maybe if they put on their big boy boxers they can live through an engagement. I love the phrase " Suck it up Buttercup."

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Mar 4 at 2016 9:22 PM

MAJ David Vermillion — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:22:51 -0500

The only school I attended that you wore no rank or patch was Ranger School in 1968.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:29 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:29:12 -0500

This is ignorant and this mentality will ruin the Army!

MSG

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:30:03 -0500

This is ignorant and this mentality will ruin the Army!

MSG

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:56:35 -0500

What's next taken off the ribbons that you earned and maybe even their rank

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 9:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 21:58:10 -0500

The unit Rockasans were training at Knox.That order shouldn't have been given.Soldiers feelings don't count your trained to perform a mission to kill our enemies. THERE YOU HAVE IT.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 10:10 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:10:48 -0500

Combat patches are like medals and ribbons - bullshit merit badges that mean nothing unless a V is attached or it's top-two.

Response by PO3 Richard Lovejoy made Mar 4 at 2016 10:15 PM

PO3 Richard Lovejoy — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:15:21 -0500

maybe they need to go back to cub scouts, where they all share. no one should ever be ashamed of what they earn and fought for, most never even try, so earn it or get the F out .

Response by CPL Evan Wilson made Mar 4 at 2016 10:19 PM

CPL Evan Wilson — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:19:36 -0500

Might as well take off rank since they're trying to all be equal....

Response by SPC William Ziemer made Mar 4 at 2016 10:28 PM

SPC William Ziemer — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:28:12 -0500

So far, 47% said yes? Were they spoon fed in the military? I can't even imagine what kind of "soldiers" these are or were. That freakin' leveling of classes is morning stool in the schools and in the military it's for the ferries.

Response by SFC Ian Lumgair made Mar 4 at 2016 10:56 PM

SFC Ian Lumgair — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:56:57 -0500

ok but did everyone have there reflective belts?

Response by Sgt Mike Sarris made Mar 4 at 2016 11:13 PM

Sgt Mike Sarris — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:13:30 -0500

Yeah...no, if you're offended by someone's Combat patch, you're in the wrong business kiddo, get over yourself and earn one so you can offend the next group of wussies they bring in!

Response by SPC Brian Carr made Mar 4 at 2016 11:16 PM

SPC Brian Carr — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:16:46 -0500

If thats the case then why shouldn't everyone remove rank and when in dress blues you might as well remove all your awards and everything else... or create a Combat Patch for soldiers out of Basic Training, maybe an eye with a tear coming out...

Response by Shirley French made Mar 4 at 2016 11:20 PM

Shirley French — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:20:15 -0500

No way!! The newbies will get there's in time! Celebrate the brave!

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 11:27 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:27:39 -0500

U.S. Navy doesn't have "combat patches". Our lack of insecurity runs deep.

Response by SGT Larry Holland made Mar 4 at 2016 11:34 PM

SGT Larry Holland — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:34:33 -0500

Hell no

Response by SGT Chris Bevins made Mar 4 at 2016 11:41 PM

SGT Chris Bevins — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 23:41:57 -0500

Hey slick sleeves.......

GO TO WAR!!!!!!!!!

Response by MSgt Gregory DeWitt made Mar 5 at 2016 12:30 AM

MSgt Gregory DeWitt — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:30:01 -0500

No because my son in law has been in the shit 3 different tours 3 different years as a Combat Medic assigned to 101st, Rakasan, and 10 Mountain. Been there done that, kicking in doors and patching up wounded and evacuating the wounded. While others, mainly those unfit or unwilling to deploy sit home and make rank in the medical care cush world. Combat badges given for troops with combat duty should give precedent over those who have taken the easy road.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 12:37 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:37:21 -0500

Sure while we're at it let me take off both my tabs and all my badges I earned so the mouth breathers that never doesn't have one can feel better about being a mouth breather

Response by SSG John Mendyka made Mar 5 at 2016 12:39 AM

SSG John Mendyka — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:39:00 -0500

I was in one of those patch less units. Frankly if it took a patch to let someone know I was a Blue Spader and a hell of a commo guy, I never earned the right to wear one in the first place.

Response by SFC Bruce Brady made Mar 5 at 2016 7:28 AM

SFC Bruce Brady — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 07:28:05 -0500

If you are training as a unit, then keep the patches. It's not an in-your-face thing, nor is it a reason for new soldiers to feel inadequate. It is something to aspire to. However, for MOS and NCOES courses and other leadership development type schools, then patches/badges should be left at home. I personally got tired of going to these courses, and instructors automaticallypicking me out of the class and putting me in charge, because of my experience. How is that supposed to help develop others?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 8:14 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 08:14:32 -0500

There are so many Soldiers who come in and go to a Training Division to train or OC for moving units and don't have a clue. It is an achievement and award of sacrifice. How many avoid deployments because they are afraid butbwant the uniform. Keep the combat patch.

Response by SGT Michael Fry made Mar 5 at 2016 8:23 AM

SGT Michael Fry — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 08:23:03 -0500

The only reason the combat patch should really be removed would be if you need to sterilize your uniform for a mission or you just feel like taking it off personally. I shouldn't have to take off my patch because some new guy feels left out.

Response by SFC Michael Marine made Mar 5 at 2016 8:37 AM

SFC Michael Marine — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 08:37:18 -0500

If anyone asks why I chose to retire, this is a major part of the answer. The armed forces are not supposed to be touchy feely sensitive softies, we're not supposed to even be politically correct. This is upper echelon BS, designed to grab a headline and spotlight the insignificant moron who came up with this asinine idea.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 9:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:02:34 -0500

The combat patch represents values that fall under "leadership" not only does it represent that it also is the legacy of American military history. It is not just given it is earned. It is respected and treated as such. So the question is why remove something that is earned? To satisfy a Soldier that will in time earn theirs?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 9:27 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:27:58 -0500

He'll NO! If you haven't served, why should I hide my service? Raise your hand and request to go somewhere, anywhere. That's to satisfy those who hide not to be deployed.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 9:28 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:28:56 -0500

He'll NO! If you haven't served, why should I hide my service? Raise your hand and request to go somewhere, anywhere. That's to satisfy those who hide not to be deployed.

Response by SSG Scott Swan made Mar 5 at 2016 9:54 AM

SSG Scott Swan — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:54:06 -0500

Bullshit

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 10:15 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 10:15:43 -0500

I can't believe this happened. My mind will not allow me to comprehend something like that.

Response by MSG Russell Barron made Mar 5 at 2016 10:18 AM

MSG Russell Barron — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 10:18:38 -0500

Hell no!

Response by Amy Kulik made Mar 5 at 2016 11:15 AM

Amy Kulik — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 11:15:07 -0500

So is this like everyone gets a trophy? Unbelievable.

Response by SSG Dave Leonard made Mar 5 at 2016 11:43 AM

SSG Dave Leonard — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 11:43:10 -0500

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2016/03/03/101st-airborne-leaders-deny-rumors-they-forced-soldiers-remove-combat-patches-training/81276522/

101st Airborne leaders deny rumors they forced soldiers to remove combat patches for training

“According to brigade leadership, there was never a command or directive given to soldiers regarding the removal of their shoulder sleeve insignia-former wartime service (combat patch),” said Master Sgt.

Response by MSgt Mike Ruikka made Mar 5 at 2016 11:44 AM

MSgt Mike Ruikka — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 11:44:11 -0500

Just a Wing Wipers opinion, but those that haven't been in combat have no reason to feel left out. Combat vets earned the right to wear a symbol of their service! It seems to me that it would be something to strive for, not whine that he has one and I don't.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 12:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 12:08:23 -0500

If they stay in the military long enough they will get the chance to earn one. I didn't bitch and cry when I was a private with no combat patch while my NCO's had theirs. I knew eventually my day would come to earn one and it did.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Mar 5 at 2016 12:30 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 12:30:41 -0500

So they don't want the guys who earned something to wear it because they don't want hurt feelings? What a frigging crock of crap.
So with this thinking we should not wear our warfare pins because those who have not earned it may be offended?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 1:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:30:22 -0500

No. Just explain to these young soldiers that they'll get theirs once they earn them. After my tour in Korea, I was assigned to Drum, everyone it seemed had a patch from Somalia. No biggy. It's like feeling left out because your buddies are airborne, and you've never been to airborne school. Lol, if you feel that strongly about it, put your 4187 in and go the F to airborne school a d earn them wings. Why is this hard to understand? Lol. I hope this is a joke!

Response by SGT Douglas Dunnam made Mar 5 at 2016 1:32 PM

SGT Douglas Dunnam — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:32:14 -0500

This is freaking ridiculous!! Glad it's been corrected now.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 1:35 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:35:39 -0500

Though I believe the Commanders' intent was well intended, I cannot believe that he didn't get the input of his CSMq

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 1:44 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:44:17 -0500

Okay one Tradoc is stupid for ever listening to recruits, they not even f#@kin soldiers, crying about not having something they won't be able to earn until they one become soldiers, two go to combat like all the soldiers. I can't believe anyone was listening to recruits crying about not having combat patches, really tradoc. And lastly the bridge Commander of that unit that had to take the patches off he should of fought that and told tradoc to go somewhere and do something with their life.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Mar 5 at 2016 1:55 PM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 13:55:31 -0500

If you have a Combat Patch - May God continue to bless you and your Family And may God continue to Bless America..

Response by PO3 Jonathan Burkett made Mar 5 at 2016 2:02 PM

PO3 Jonathan Burkett — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:02:15 -0500

This was the 101 airborne training at Ft. Knox, I served navy & I was not awarded a sea service ribbon & my ESWS the day I reported onboard ship, both earned! And btw not as prestigious as a combat patch either.

Response by CPT Charles Montgomery made Mar 5 at 2016 2:40 PM

CPT Charles Montgomery — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:40:22 -0500

The Army doesn't need a Welcome Wagon to make new soldiers FEEL included. They need strong leadership and a mission to accomplish. Combat patches represent sacrifice, courage, esprit de corps and experience. Are they also planning on hiding other EARNED awards like Rangers, Airborne, Air Assault, Pathfinder, & etc? The newbies will receive their combat patches when they earn them! Ludicrous PC idea under a panty waist administration.

Response by SGT Micheal Adams made Mar 5 at 2016 2:42 PM

SGT Micheal Adams — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:42:30 -0500

This is stupid, sorry who ever thought of this but it's just stupid

Response by SGT Jeffrey Bradley made Mar 5 at 2016 2:55 PM

SGT Jeffrey Bradley — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:55:28 -0500

Would hope this isn't true, if so its ridiculous to ask someone that's earned the right to remove it to save hurt feelings. Are we really getting that soft

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 4:27 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 16:27:42 -0500

Give the E1's ad E2's something to look forward to. If you try to take my combat patch away, there will be trouble. I am proud of my patch and the unit I served with.

Response by PO3 JAson Yaj made Mar 5 at 2016 5:34 PM

PO3 JAson Yaj — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 17:34:07 -0500

What a bunch of idiots! Wow! Should be an honor to serve next to those who was in combat! Sorry little whiners! Gtfoh! The military is such wusses nowadays! Fags, or belt, women with lighter packs, stress cards, no smoking what's next? How to knit and make flower arrangements a part of basic?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 5:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 17:50:55 -0500

So why don't we also remove them from our ASU also...who in their right minds would do this?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 6:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:27:07 -0500

Boo, Hoo, Hoo. You earn what you get in the military. Talk about poor camaraderie. They'll get theirs when it's due.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 6:54 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 18:54:06 -0500

HELL NO

When Generals remove their rank because it makes me feel "uncomfortable" and less included
And when no one displays any awards higher than mine
While we are at it, it really irritates me when people are taller than me, or have bigger muscles. That makes me feel bad too
Oh and I want to come in first or at least tie in every foot race or ruck march or PT event regardless of how hard I try. I feel bad when I am not first and the most important.
Logical, right. :/

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 8:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 20:05:54 -0500

If you deploy you earn your patch and should wear it if a new private wants one he can get in harms way and earn one also

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 8:19 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 20:19:29 -0500

I've never been deployed and I don't feel left out because I haven't earned it. These new generation soldiers are soft skinned sensitive craps. This is an army not a business. If you want one so badly volunteer for deployment in a combat zone.

Response by SSG Paul Forel made Mar 5 at 2016 8:37 PM

SSG Paul Forel — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 20:37:54 -0500

The commander who ordered that combat patches be removed needs to be seriously looked at with regard to his/her suitability as a commander. This kind of 'leadership' is dangerous and will get people killed. I've already seen this elsewhere.

Response by Cpl Terry Williams made Mar 5 at 2016 8:58 PM

Cpl Terry Williams — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 20:58:13 -0500

Better question, should you remove your nuts so not to offend those who don't possess them? The 2% who voted yes, please punch yourself in the face.....we'll wait..

Response by SFC William Farrell made Mar 5 at 2016 9:11 PM

SFC William Farrell — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:11:24 -0500

With all due respect MSG Wally Carmichael, they can all go pound dirt. I earned my patches and and proud of the combat units that I served with. I remember when I returned from Nam, I was one of only a couple combat veterans in my unit at Fort Hood Texas and they had pans for me. Boy dd I let them down with PTSD and too much drinking although PTSD was recognized then.

Response by CPT Dan Caudill made Mar 5 at 2016 9:19 PM

CPT Dan Caudill — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 21:19:32 -0500

This is to much bullshittery to be real! Of course I also said this about the stress cards but alas they came and went.... So I do suppose some moronic BC has his head so far up his 4 points of contact he
Can smell his CSGM arse. Better yet further than that because he's obviously not listening to Top or else this bullshittery wouldn't be happening!

Response by CPO Tim Dickey made Mar 5 at 2016 10:12 PM

CPO Tim Dickey — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:12:12 -0500

So I cannot resist. MSG Wally Carmichael, I was allowed to wear Army unit combat patches in AFG. So, E1s and E2s should just stand by and wait their turn in the barrel in order to become like the rest of us.

Response by 1SG Jim Steele made Mar 5 at 2016 10:51 PM

1SG Jim Steele — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:51:57 -0500

I joined in 1978, majority of the NCO's and Fld Grd Officers were Nam vets. How did I know this? and guess what I did, I watched and learned from them.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 10:56 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 22:56:26 -0500

Hell no! Too much damn sensitivity already! I am sick to death of all the butt hurt!!!!

Response by CMSgt Mark Lewis made Mar 5 at 2016 11:32 PM

CMSgt Mark Lewis — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 23:32:17 -0500

Absolutely not! Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen earn combat patches, decorations, medals, etc and should proudly wear them. Anyone who expects anything less dishonors the courage and sacrifice these brave men and women have displayed in times of war and conflict.

Response by CPT Alexander Grant made Mar 5 at 2016 11:35 PM

CPT Alexander Grant — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 23:35:27 -0500

Wow, heck no! It's the freaking military, not pee-wee athletics.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 11:57 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 23:57:18 -0500

When I joined the Army 30 years ago I had Vietnam Vets in my unit, an I would have never had asked them to remove there combat patch. Ppl need to grow up an stop bowing to the whiners. I have Soldiers in my ranks that have been as long as I have an still have not deployed. I would like to see one of them to tell me to remove my combat patch. I spent my time in the desert and seen many sandstorms to boot and I earned what I wear on my right shoulder.

Response by PV2 Luis Campero made Mar 6 at 2016 1:40 AM

PV2 Luis Campero — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 01:40:00 -0500

As a vet who served active till before desert storm. Irr during desert storm. I never saw combat. No, a patch is earned not given tell the hurt soldiers to get over them selves.

Response by Timothy Richards made Mar 6 at 2016 2:57 AM

Timothy Richards — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 02:57:59 -0500

Seriously??? You earned that patch and the pain that went with it. There should be no reason to remove. NO REASON. Kids these days are so coddled, we might start asking the enemy to start firing rubber bullets so they don't kill anybody.... Here is a thought, how about group therapy, lets have the leaders of Al-Qaeda and Isis meet us in a disney style room with winnie the pooh and friends and see if we can hug it out........................

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 3:07 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 03:07:48 -0500

This is just craziness, why would we even entertain this, its not even worth a rebuttal.

Response by SSG Louis Davis made Mar 6 at 2016 3:32 AM

SSG Louis Davis — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 03:32:06 -0500

He'll Naw, to the Naw Naw Naw, He'll To the Naw...

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Mar 6 at 2016 3:32 AM

SSG Ken Gilder — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 03:32:43 -0500

Before my tour in Vietnam, I did not feel "left out" when I saw other soldiers wearing combat unit patches. Soon enough, I got mine.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 7:57 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 07:57:05 -0500

No they want a patch they need to go earn it just like everyone else before them. I swear this want something for nothing society kills me.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 11:51 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 11:51:57 -0500

I'm glad to see that as it stands right now, 48% of us have said no, and 49% said WTH?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 2:35 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 14:35:35 -0500

Nope. Just like they cannot be forced to wear a specific deployment patch I feel they shouldn't be made to not wear any. If there are deployment patches let those who earned them decide which one tjey earned to wear or not to wear. Otherwise get rid of them all together.

Personally I know some who used to look up to those with those patches as if they knew something because they deployed. In reality it just means they deployed, not necessarily a valuable team member who contributed a lot to the unit, just that they deployed. Same with those without a deployment patch does not mean that they aren't good leaders with no experience.

Response by PO1 James DeWald made Mar 6 at 2016 3:56 PM

PO1 James DeWald — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:56:25 -0500

EO1 (SCW) USN.Never remove what you earned if they have butt hurt feeling go out an earn one!

Response by PO2 Thomas Reed made Mar 6 at 2016 4:16 PM

PO2 Thomas Reed — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:16:22 -0500

Hell no! That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard and just plain stupid coming from a veteran of 16 years!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 4:45 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:45:54 -0500

Please tell me that this is satire......or that everyone is being trolled.

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Mar 6 at 2016 4:53 PM

LTC Hillary Luton — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 16:53:14 -0500

Seriously???? The question alone is beyond silly! Sorry, I don't mean to be crass, but I wore a combat patch for 24 years. Why? Because I earned the dang thing! And there was a time shortly after 9-11, when I was one of few who wore a combat patch in my unit. Did anyone come up to me and say, "hey, can you take that patch off because it really is hurting my feelings?" NO! Instead, they said, "Isn't it rather ironic that we have several Operations specialists here and its the Public Affairs Officer who has a combat patch?"

If someone's feelings are hurt because they do not have a combat patch, well, I'm sorry if I'm being less than sensitive, but really it is too bad, now isn't it? Get over yourself. Its not ALL about you.

Remember this, an individual will rise to the level of expectation. If you continue to lower the standards, you will continue to lower the quality produced by the individual. Keep marginalizing Soldiers who have gone above and beyond, because you don't want to hurt the feelings of the ones who only want to give 50%, and you will only succeed in marginalizing the Army as a whole.

Response by GySgt Ronald Wasilewski made Mar 6 at 2016 5:21 PM

GySgt Ronald Wasilewski — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:21:27 -0500

Really, you are concerned you will hurt someone's feeling? What the hell are you training? Oh I can see that pink panty Battalion. LMAO

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 6:07 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 18:07:47 -0500

I needed a good chuckle today – thanks for posting

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made Mar 6 at 2016 8:25 PM

CPT Andrew Wright — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 20:25:52 -0500

What truly amazes me is a soldier who has been in ten or fifteen years and doesn't have one yet!

Response by PO2 Nick Burke made Mar 6 at 2016 8:52 PM

PO2 Nick Burke — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 20:52:58 -0500

Those patches were earned like rank. Let the FNGs earn theirs.

Response by MSgt Joseph Brendel made Mar 6 at 2016 8:55 PM

MSgt Joseph Brendel — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 20:55:37 -0500

No. Earn them.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 11:29 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 23:29:47 -0500

I have to question whether this is satire. There are many Soldiers who choose not to wear their patches for many reasons, however to direct those who choose to wear them for many different reasons ranging from exceptional pride and loyalty to those that have fallen to those who wear it to give the illusion that they engaged the enemy when in fact they never wore their kit or even maintained a weapon at all times. To cater to ones sensitivity to the limits of establishing an environment that focuses on perception as opposed to historical pride that represents the strongest representation of human spirit can disenfranchise many who have lost someone or something in their lives that cause them to question everything they do or say for the rest of their likes. You cater to children and those in dier need, not those who seek and open door into life with everything they want for the taking without resistance so they never learn to earn their place in society. Its funny how for the hundreds of years we recognized our hereos therefore helping them cope with their experience which also has a healing effect to now taking that away just to make them feel as if their contributions to their nation was for nothing.

Response by SSG James Sutherland made Mar 7 at 2016 6:01 AM

SSG James Sutherland — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 06:01:46 -0500

Next will be your jump wings, jungle expert, drill sergeant, jump master, path finders, EIB, CUB and so on. We were til we couldn't where our berets in Germany on r&r because it caused to much attention. WHAT A JOKE.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 10:53 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 10:53:07 -0500

I am old school! Since when do we care about feelings. Soldiers are paid to so serve. They volunteered!!! The "new Army" will have their chance to serve in a combat zone...I'm sure of it!!

Response by Pam Robbins made Mar 7 at 2016 11:27 AM

Pam Robbins — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:27:08 -0500

Those patches are earned from being in combat and should not be taken for granted. The men and women that have them EARNED them, pissy ass crybabies have no place in our military and I would not want a single one of them that is crying about this watching my six.

Response by PO1 Tom Fillenwarth made Mar 7 at 2016 12:03 PM

PO1 Tom Fillenwarth — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:03:01 -0500

So, let's not wear service ribbons or medals. Some people didn't EARN them and they might feel bad. What a ridiculous idea!

Response by PO3 Jonas M. made Mar 7 at 2016 12:13 PM

PO3 Jonas M. — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:13:48 -0500

46 people said "yes"? Really? Are they they mothers of the poor E-1's fresh out of boot camp that didn't get a participation award for being in the military when someone else got an award? Hey, maybe we should all get the congressional medal of honor since we were all in the military when a SEAL earned his... Where is mine? Unfair, my feelings are hurt... This is absolutely ridiculous. I can't stand what has happened to the military. Stress cards, hurt feelings, sensitivity training... Sensitivity training? You're in the military, how about you grow a pair or get out...

Response by SFC Margie Freeman made Mar 7 at 2016 9:07 PM

SFC Margie Freeman — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 21:07:06 -0500

A fine line he is NOT following in AR 670-1 with wear and appearance of the uniform and military Doctrine. I am guessing he does not have a combat patch.

Response by SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds made Mar 7 at 2016 10:00 PM

SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:00:01 -0500

I truly cannot believe that the Military in general would think that this response is remotely close to be the "correct" or "most plausible" explanation. How could you take away a person(s) earned deployment patch just because some around them feel "left out"? I'm sorry, but the personnel who have these patches deserve to wear them regardless of what others may think or feel.
I have lost some friends of mine on deployments (though sadly, I have not deployed) and I must stress again, these men and women deserve the right to display and feel honored wearing patches that display that they are the ones who truly stood up and fought, bled and some died for this Country and preserving our way of life.
All I truly have to say is that there are plenty of deployment opportunities that these E1-E2s can rally up for. If it honestly that big of a fuss to some people, deploy!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 7:44 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 07:44:47 -0500

We become such a cry baby society even now our military is falling apart

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 8:03 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 08:03:05 -0500

Hey young private, one day you will get yours. I have mine now, and you need to train hard and prepare yourself for battle. STOP complaining about my patch and accomplishments. SITFU. ARMY brat's used to be children of service members. Now ARMY brat's are the new infux of emotional privates. Sensitive little bastards

Response by CPL Daniel Nimrod made Mar 8 at 2016 9:43 AM

CPL Daniel Nimrod — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 09:43:30 -0500

Had a CW-3 in Berlin get caught with a ranger tab that wasn't warranted.
If you didn't earn it don't cry about it. "GET SOME"

Response by SGT Richard Carchidi made Mar 8 at 2016 10:01 AM

SGT Richard Carchidi — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:01:24 -0500

This is a joke....right ?

Response by MSgt GregoryandMarina Milano made Mar 8 at 2016 10:22 AM

MSgt GregoryandMarina Milano — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:22:52 -0500

Hell NO! Earn it, not everyone gets an trophy just for showing up. Man, I am SO glad I am retired from that PC Bullshit!

Response by SFC Rob Bradshaw made Mar 8 at 2016 10:24 AM

SFC Rob Bradshaw — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:24:01 -0500

Didn't have to worry about BS like this when patches were sewn on.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 10:42 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:42:21 -0500

Maybe the E1 and E2's that are complaining about not having a patch need to be taught what the real world is. I would hope that leadership would use this opportunity to do some mentoring and teach them that honors are earned and not just given away just so they don't feel "left out" and have their delicate feelings injured.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 10:47 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:47:14 -0500

I would hope their leadership takes this opportunity to mentor the young soldiers and teach them what the real world is all about. Especially, to instill in them that honors are earned and not just given out to make a few feel better and not "left out" in order to spare their fragile feelings. I'm sure the young soldiers will get their chance sooner or later to prove themselves and to earn their own combat patches.

Response by Cpl Kevin Hendrickson made Mar 8 at 2016 11:01 AM

Cpl Kevin Hendrickson — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:01:46 -0500

Go and serve or shut the f..ck up

Response by SFC Matthew Montoya made Mar 8 at 2016 11:09 AM

SFC Matthew Montoya — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:09:46 -0500

NO NO NO!!! Are we to bow to the sensitive?!? IF we then do that... whats next, removing ribbons and metals from our 'A's because crybaby attitude, undisciplined and unmotivated, dont have the same... I know... lets all be the same, remove rank, and any distinction for airborne, or marksman, service stripes, no APFT score cards.

Response by SSG Martin Petersen made Mar 8 at 2016 11:14 AM

SSG Martin Petersen — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:14:37 -0500

No, are Special Ops Units going to start letting non operators wear the tab, because they feel left out? If you earned it, you should be allowed to wear it.

Response by COL David Turk made Mar 8 at 2016 11:18 AM

COL David Turk — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:18:23 -0500

Was this idea from the same person who initiated "stress cards"?

Response by PFC Colin Cooper made Mar 8 at 2016 11:21 AM

PFC Colin Cooper — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:21:50 -0500

I know that there was a BCT in the 101st that wanted to do this. As a soldier who takes pride having served in that historic unit, it made me think, what is our military truly coming to?

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 8 at 2016 11:29 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:29:28 -0500

Just thinking about this some more, perhaps the Army can begin to issue teddy bears and security blankets upon graduation from Basic.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 11:50 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 11:50:50 -0500

This annoys me to no end. The military is moving toward a corporation school of thought. The entitled generation is entering the corps and are already throwing tantrums. It would be really sad for the men and women to be stripped of their accomplishments due to brats feeling left out.

Response by SSG William Patton made Mar 8 at 2016 12:01 PM

SSG William Patton — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:01:37 -0500

Those of us who served in combat earned the right to wear the patch of our unit in combat on our right shoulder, or whereever they are worn now. The FNGs will get their chance to earn the right and if they don't, then they should be thankful they never got to see the horrors of war.

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made Mar 8 at 2016 2:29 PM

SFC Michael Arabian — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 14:29:36 -0500

They haven't earned it yet.that why they don't have one or more.

Response by 1SG Brian Bussey made Mar 8 at 2016 3:08 PM

1SG Brian Bussey — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:08:39 -0500

I'm sorry but soldiers who deploy to combat have earned the right to wear their patch proudly. This is not only a testament to their courage but a reminder they made it back when so many of their friends and brothers didn't. Any officer to conceive of such a notion is not worthy of being in the military.

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Mar 8 at 2016 4:15 PM

SSG Jesse Cheadle — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:15:23 -0500

Nope.

Response by CPO Rick Lopez made Mar 8 at 2016 4:28 PM

CPO Rick Lopez — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:28:19 -0500

No because a few new people just come on active and feel left out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 4:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:52:17 -0500

Patch are not given. They are earned. It is like a motivation tool for those E1 and E2 and other senior members that have never deployed before. Don't forget that a lot of sacrifices are done doing deployment. Besides risking your life, family's are forever changed. Divorces, children's birth and birthdays missed. Your whole life is put on hold and the uncertain and pain that your love ones go through when they don't see or hear from you. The holidays with loved ones that are missed. Not laying in a comfortable bed for so long, not having the option to eat what you want when you want....The list goes on. Now those that have not been deployed before should not be treated any less as we are all part of he military and are serving one beautiful Nation. The USA

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 5:03 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:03:13 -0500

I read about this before. If Soldiers are not allowed to wear Combat Patches; then are they not allowed to wear Combat Action Badges or Air Medals either? If they can't wear the patch, then why allow them to wear a CAB or Air Medal either?

Response by SGT Ej Connors made Mar 8 at 2016 5:14 PM

SGT Ej Connors — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:14:43 -0500

I earned my patch and my time in hell, too bad

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 5:28 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:28:44 -0500

So Soldiers shouldn't be allowed to wear Combat Action Badges or Air Medals as well then either right?

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 8 at 2016 11:48 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:48:51 -0500

Combat patches stay on. Let those hurt feelings flow.

Response by SGT Michael Van Geertruy made Mar 9 at 2016 12:27 AM

SGT Michael Van Geertruy — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 00:27:10 -0500

Should we also ask former drill sergeants to remove their patches so as to not offend folks when they re-enlist and go back through basic?

Response by Jud Fiore made Mar 9 at 2016 3:30 AM

Jud Fiore — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 03:30:35 -0500

This is what happens when you give every kid a participation badge in sports. They feel entitled.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 4:50 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 04:50:51 -0500

New junior enlisted Soldiers can't expect to experience things that those of us that been around have. They will get their chance. Should we not wear our ribbons so that they don't feel left out also? I remember when I PCSd from Panama, after Just Cause. I had more stuff on my uniform than my Squad Leader. I was only a PFC. Some CSM is asleep at the wheel if he/she allowed that to happen at Camp Nomatter.

Response by SGT Denis Donovan made Mar 9 at 2016 6:44 AM

SGT Denis Donovan — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 06:44:45 -0500

Omg combat patch envy! Piss off I earned that patch Sally!

Response by SCPO David Porter made Mar 9 at 2016 7:10 AM

SCPO David Porter — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:10:57 -0500

Let them earn their own or just get rid of medals awards and patches. Maybe Hooah too! It may not motivate someone and they'd be left out.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 7:50 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:50:55 -0500

Would you not wear your awards on your ribbon rack. Wear your combat patch with pride, it's a symbol of what you put on the line. The new troops will have there chance and will want to wear there's as well.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:43 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:43:37 -0500

should we also remove any combat ribbons earned b/c others have not earned them? What about our warfare devices?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 08:51:32 -0500

I was the happiest E-4 in the Army when I was pinned E-5 and got my combat patch. You couldn't tell me nothing! So I disagree with the removal of the combat patch it's a badge of honor.

Response by SN James White made Mar 9 at 2016 9:05 AM

SN James White — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:05:36 -0500

They earned the patch. The new guys should see them.

Response by MSG Nathan Ellison made Mar 9 at 2016 9:44 AM

MSG Nathan Ellison — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:44:42 -0500

Tough shit, this millennial Army is going right down the pisser. Pour yourself a hot cup of STFU and move out. Who is letting a e-1 or e-2 speak anyway? They are like children, they are to be seen, not heard. And if this is some officer or NCO's "good idea", they need a little wall to wall counseling.

Response by A1C Kyle Sprague made Mar 9 at 2016 10:00 AM

A1C Kyle Sprague — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 10:00:25 -0500

Feeling left out?? Volunteer to go earn it. That's the problem with this generation...always whining because shit isn't handed to them. Trust me, Obama will give them a chance at that combat patch soon enough.

Response by GySgt Carl Rumbolo made Mar 9 at 2016 10:37 AM

GySgt Carl Rumbolo — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 10:37:31 -0500

Already debunked:

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2016/03/03/101st-airborne-leaders-deny-rumors-they-forced-soldiers-remove-combat-patches-training/81276522/

101st Airborne leaders deny rumors they forced soldiers to remove combat patches for training

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Mar 9 at 2016 12:07 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:07:10 -0500

If you earned them you are out of uniform if they are not displayed properly on that uniform. WTH is everyone worried about hurting some new soldiers feelings? Those Combat Patches are a way of identifying an individual who was there and can share valuable information with a young man or woman facing their first deployment. It is a symbol of valor and patriotism to have served in combat. I have none of these patches and admire soldiers who can wear them and am always interested in their experiences. We need to uphold Army regulations that describe in detail that you wear what you earned whether it was in combat or Air Assault School if its authorized its worn.

Response by SFC Paul Ranges made Mar 9 at 2016 2:44 PM

SFC Paul Ranges — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:44:41 -0500

They have not yet joined that part of the brotherhood. Earn it!

Response by SrA Patrick Hughes made Mar 9 at 2016 3:12 PM

SrA Patrick Hughes — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:12:17 -0500

Sounds weird to me, I don't know any Airmen that would feel left out, if anything they would look up to the guys with the patches.

Response by SPC Kevin Young made Mar 9 at 2016 5:39 PM

SPC Kevin Young — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:39:42 -0500

Not just no but Hell no. I am a veteran of the Army (83-87) The only branch that I am aware of that wears a "Hot Patch" I never earned one but believe those who have should wear them with pride and without guilt. We worry too much about peoples feelings and in a world of "participation trophies" that make people think they are "special" we should celebrate and recognize those who have been in harms way.

Response by Jeff Massey made Mar 9 at 2016 5:59 PM

Jeff Massey — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:59:56 -0500

I don't know if this is true or not but aren't you supposed to earn the patches! SMH

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 7:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:40:06 -0500

Hey its earned patch so if the private co.es out and feels left out then he needs to join an army of that's all about emotion detachment. Besides when I was a private I was always looking up to the guy who has been in combat as someone I can learn from.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 7:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:43:51 -0500

Should I also need to remove all my deployment ribbon, national defense and overseas during Dress uniform inspection. This is straight crazy.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Mar 9 at 2016 7:51 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:51:44 -0500

Yep, this concept is still insane to me

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:02 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:02:23 -0500

No. That's a stab in the back to those who have earned them. The whole sensitive issue within our military is weakening us to the core. If a Soldier is so offended of feeling inadequate because they themselves do not have one then how shall they ever be capable of enduring the trials and inhumanity of combat? Have some intestinal fortitude!

Response by SPC Dennis Escobar made Mar 9 at 2016 8:34 PM

SPC Dennis Escobar — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:34:41 -0500

I actually earn 4 patches in 3 tours. If they want one, they can go and do what I did. Invade Iraq and then close it like I did.

Response by CWO4 David Smith made Mar 9 at 2016 9:19 PM

CWO4 David Smith — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:19:48 -0500

They probably will anyway. They took the beret away from being for the elite and let everyone wear them to hush up the whining...

Response by SGT Jim Fairly made Mar 9 at 2016 9:21 PM

SGT Jim Fairly — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:21:57 -0500

Oh my God!

Response by LTC Darryl Hamilton made Mar 10 at 2016 12:25 AM

LTC Darryl Hamilton — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:25:05 -0500

Please tell me this is satire.

Response by Cpl Carl Brown made Mar 10 at 2016 5:17 AM

Cpl Carl Brown — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:17:00 -0500

Makes no sense you earn the patch it's not given to you when you graduate or pass boot camp or school/training you earn that ribbon or certificate, I don't hear anybody crying to take that service members place up in heaven. Alright than CARRY ON.

Response by SFC Melvin Showell made Mar 10 at 2016 7:59 AM

SFC Melvin Showell — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:59:06 -0500

No, when I joined in 1975, my first duty assignment was with the 1st Cav Div, most of the senior guys were 1st Cav sandwiches, Cav patch on both shoulders. Look beyond the patch and look at the soldier.

Response by SSgt Rose Ferguson made Mar 10 at 2016 9:37 AM

SSgt Rose Ferguson — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:37:00 -0500

If that's the case, are we to wear less and certain ribbons and medals? Same thing and mentality. We earned those. Those who have earned combat patches should be able to wear them honorably for their sacrifices.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Mar 10 at 2016 9:42 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:42:29 -0500

You are going to have to cite something more than what you wrote here to get me to believe that. I call BS on this one.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 10:58 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:58:47 -0500

Should we also remove rank to be sensitive to those who don't have much?

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 11:12 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:12:01 -0500

First of all, AR 600-8-22 authorizes combat and skill badges. AR 670-1 authorizes SSI/FWTS. These two regulations makes the directive in question totally unlawful.

Secondly, "Combat Patches" are a symbol of service, sacrifice, and dedication to the overall Army and national mission. When I was little, I would stand in front of my dad's closet where his greens were hanging and just stare in awe at his Big Red One combat patch.

What, you feel left out? Oh well. Not my problem. Earn it, then wear it. When something is earned, you understand its importance.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 1:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:40:06 -0500

If you earned you put it on.! When are we going to stop being politacly correct? This whole Country has turned into a bunch of sissies makes me want to get out of the Army.!

Response by Cpl Shawn Gross made Mar 10 at 2016 2:06 PM

Cpl Shawn Gross — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:06:12 -0500

Accompanying the downfall of western civilization is the new emasculation of the armed forces. Seriously who the hell allows this shit to happen?

Response by Cpl Shawn Gross made Mar 10 at 2016 2:07 PM

Cpl Shawn Gross — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:07:57 -0500

Accompanying the downfall of western civilization is the emasculation of our armed forces. This is ridiculous. E1-E2s shouldn't even rate an opinion let alone open their mouths. What has happened to the military? I got out in 2011 but it seems like a complete PC social experiment now.

Response by 1SG Joe Benacci made Mar 10 at 2016 2:22 PM

1SG Joe Benacci — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:22:56 -0500

Why don't we take our rank off too! Then we can all sit around the TOC and sing Cumbia!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 2:26 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:26:05 -0500

The chickification is near complete. Doesn't bother me anymore....makes it easier....

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 2:46 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:46:27 -0500

This is merely the logical extension identified by LTC Yingling (a failure in generalship) in his critique of our failed general officer leadership. Where does one think this all logically goes? You stuff the ranks full of misfits and what was once universally considered abnormal or unnatural behavior types and wala… I live for the moment a cross dressing quota selected [non]combatant commander is at the frozen chosen seeking to inspire is infantrypersons to stand firm for [no]God and [racist]country. How’s that gonna turn out? Maybe the all female 1st Rangerett Bat will save them (hopefully the ChiComs understand safe places)? Its only gonna get better, trust me….

With 25+ plus years in, I no longer recommend young men to go in any service, let alone being a line doggie or jarhead. Iron Mike would never make the cut today, he’d hang himself after the SHARP/MRT bullshit you have to be indoctrinated with (not to mention his white privilege). Hopefully he’s laid to rest soon, I’m sure a bust of Iron Michelle is in the works (with accompanied fictional back story to molly picture etc etc etc……). The military is a corpse not cause of joe, gunnie, or top, it’s the clowns sitting in the senior seats (I give credit to the USMC, you held out the longest, your all done now). There are currently more balls in an ISIS harem than all the halls of the pentagon….

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 2:56 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:56:16 -0500

This is BS. I came in 1995. Around the Somalia and other minor conflicts. I saw plenty of soldiers that were my seniors, who had those patches. I felt admiration, not envy. These kids think that you get that from being a soldier that never got to see combat. When I went to Iraq, in 2003, we were given those, for participating in combat. Now... since the US is not at war, with anyone... they do not give those anymore... like they did, back in Desert Storm, and Somalia. So... my dear E-1s and E-2s... EARN THE PATCH... DO NOT FEEL LEFT BEHIND! Your time will come.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 4:20 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:20:58 -0500

Those patches are earned, not given out like candy. Let the newbies put in the time and they will get theirs. 1LT Claymore.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 4:30 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:30:53 -0500

One of many of the most asinine things coming out of the Pentagon or the field that I can think of to do. Political Correctness is the bane of any and all semblance of sanity and common sense. Let's all wear dresses and makeup so some Trans doesn't feel left out on his/her birthday!!!

Response by Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter made Mar 10 at 2016 5:48 PM

Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 17:48:39 -0500

Are they getting show up trophies now too? I'd hate to think of what they'd have to hear if that was the Marine Corps. Tough tittie! Boots!

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Mar 10 at 2016 6:54 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:54:34 -0500

I guess by that logic we need to tell the next MOH recipient we see not to wear it because it isn't inclusive.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 7:22 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:22:05 -0500

Let someone try to remove my CAR!!!

Response by SFC Allen Brown made Mar 10 at 2016 7:36 PM

SFC Allen Brown — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:36:13 -0500

I earned mine as a Reservist with the 49th QM hauling fuel in 2003.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 7:40 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:40:59 -0500

No. Those who have deployed earned them. Also most new Soldiers like being able to tell the difference between leaders who have and haven't deployed so they can determine where more experience lies. Because let's face it if you are a leader, especially E7 and above and are still a slick-sleeve after 10+ years of deployments new Soldiers are not going to want to listen to you as much and will go after those with a patch.

Response by SFC Norman G. Mayers made Mar 10 at 2016 7:43 PM

SFC Norman G. Mayers — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:43:24 -0500

WTH?

Response by SSG Christopher Hart made Mar 10 at 2016 8:55 PM

SSG Christopher Hart — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:55:29 -0500

F@#K NO

Response by SPC Joseph Brigham made Mar 10 at 2016 9:15 PM

SPC Joseph Brigham — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:15:22 -0500

Really 2% voted yes? You 2% are FUBAR and you need your forward assist tapped

Response by PO2 Chris Winn made Mar 10 at 2016 9:32 PM

PO2 Chris Winn — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:32:53 -0500

Patches are earned dammit

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 9:35 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:35:29 -0500

Earn that shit, where that shit,who cares whst the NUBS think

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 11:53 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:53:42 -0500

Tell them to grow up. Wait your turn long enough and you'll get one, but they shouldn't tell the soldiers with combat patches to remove them just because new soldiers want to be babies about not having them.

Response by SPC Gary W Jr Turpin made Mar 11 at 2016 12:41 AM

SPC Gary W Jr Turpin — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 00:41:42 -0500

My nephew is a member of the unit in question. It is true and it is rediculous. Although I really love this quote he sent me in a text when I asked about it plus, I don't even wear my deployment patch or badges, that shit doesn't make you a better soldier, just how I was raised".
Love that, at the same time he and everyone else should have the right to wear them since they were earned.
What's next, should they just not give out combat patches at all so no one will feel left out anywhere?

Response by FN James Goodman made Mar 11 at 2016 1:00 AM

FN James Goodman — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:00:41 -0500

That is stupid

Response by SGT Robert Bowman made Mar 11 at 2016 6:10 AM

SGT Robert Bowman — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:10:08 -0500

If I didn't have a combat patch I wouldn't mind it at all, it means that those soldiers took care of business but thank you for stepping up if the backup is needed. The price was to high for our young soldiers to not have a combat patch. Somebody already paid the price, not having the patch is a good thing.

Response by SPC Johnny Roush made Mar 11 at 2016 8:34 AM

SPC Johnny Roush — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:34:09 -0500

Absolutely not!! If you're sensitive to this then your candy ass need not wear a soldiers uniform..

Response by SPC Johnny Roush made Mar 11 at 2016 8:37 AM

SPC Johnny Roush — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:37:50 -0500

I find it disheartening that 2% actually said "Yes". Don't hate on those that got sent over and act like a little bitch because you don't have not had the chance to earn a combat patch. They should be embracing those that made it back.

Response by SFC Frankey Meals made Mar 11 at 2016 11:36 AM

SFC Frankey Meals — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:36:49 -0500

Really can't understand why this would be a topic of discussion. If we remove cp from the uniform. Then we might as well say that because everyone is not a ranger, airborne ect.... you can't where them because not everyone has on. This is just a crazy topic to me.

Response by Sgt Jason Bowen made Mar 11 at 2016 10:48 PM

Sgt Jason Bowen — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:48:30 -0500

Response by SPC Harold Bustamante made Mar 12 at 2016 12:06 AM

SPC Harold Bustamante — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 00:06:31 -0500

those that served overseas deserve them and should be respected. its been done for ever, why change?

Response by Tyler Balthrop made Mar 12 at 2016 8:51 PM

Tyler Balthrop — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:51:15 -0500

Dumbest shit I ever heard. I don't have a deployment patch (yet) doesn't bother me. You want it go out and earn it.

Response by MAJ David Nelson made Mar 17 at 2016 1:36 PM

MAJ David Nelson — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:36:30 -0400

Hell no... Do that and where does the cave in to entitlement end? Ban Skill Badges and then their combat counterparts ('cause hell, if not having an EIB makes you "too sad for duty", not having a CIB must be worthy of a Congressional investigation). But why stop there... "Award envy" will eventually undermine any recognition for service (due to its measurable impact on "newbie readiness" ratings). Give an inch now, a mile tomorrow and soon enough, the MOH will no longer be sacred.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 6:48 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:48:00 -0400

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2016 5:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 17:13:22 -0400

Why should we take away from the soldiets that have given so much to this country. If they want to wear the patch so badly, they should be volunteering to go get with a unit thst is deploying. I spent 03-04, 05-06, 07-09, 10-11 deployed in Iraq. All those years away from my family, wife, and kids only to be told that I can't wear it because PVT Snuffy feels bad. 1. We come from a different age group. 2. Wait your turn, you'll get a chance to deploy. And if you don't be the best that you can be and give it your all. And if you wanted to have that rush of getting shot at or blown up, apply for the bomb squad or SWAT team of your local law enforcement agency. It's not right to take away from those who have sacrificed so much.

Response by SPC Tiffany Ivanov made Mar 21 at 2016 12:48 PM

SPC Tiffany Ivanov — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:48:36 -0400

Are you serious?! This is horseshit. If a soldier earned that patch, wear it with pride. Slick sleeves will earn theirs eventually. This is what's wrong with the Army today: too many sensitive crybabies wanting a pat on the back for waking up in time for PT.

We need to stop allowing "soldiers" to act like children and we definitely need to stop treating them like children. I didn't join the Army for a free ride and I certainly didn't expect everyone to tiptoe around my feelings. Keep the combat patch. Let a slick sleeve like me see it, want it, learn from you, and earn it. I raised my hand, swearing to defend my country, my brothers and sisters, and I intend to do that when it's my turn. What I WON'T do is cry about it, brag about it, avoid it, or place myself higher than someone without it.

It's past time we remember who we are and what we are doing.

Response by PO1 David Warner made Mar 21 at 2016 5:59 PM

PO1 David Warner — Mon, 21 Mar 2016 17:59:23 -0400

I don't believe so. You should be able to keep them on that way other soldiers know of your abilities or experience. You aren't just making things up you actually know.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 1:33 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 01:33:45 -0400

The new soldiers are different, idk what they're doing in basic training, but they lack discipline and respect to superiors. And that's a change the last 4 years I've been in. O.o

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 8:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:51:31 -0400

These young pansies need to grow a pair of balls.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2016 2:17 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:17:03 -0400

This is just my 2 cents but I feel awards and decorations are incentives for Soldiers to excel. The combat patch in my opinion is a decoration saying that I have done something that not everyone has. If it hurts your feelings that you don't have one. Do what I did to get one. its not that hard. Volunteer, That's what I did. I was an E6 that had never been deployed. I actually volunteered to go with a different unit then what I was assigned to. If you are jealous of something another Soldier has don't punish that Soldier. Strive to attain it yourself.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2016 10:54 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:54:09 -0400

No.....you earned those combat patches and those who haven't had them should either deal with it because they weren't chosen to go on the deployment or assignment or be apart of the action. It's like me getting my EIDWS (Enlisted Information Dominance Warfare) pin and yet a FC (Fire Controlman) is upset he can't get it.

Response by 1SG Larry Taggart made Apr 15 at 2016 8:01 AM

1SG Larry Taggart — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:01:34 -0400

This can't be a serious question!

Response by SFC Fred Muller made Apr 18 at 2016 9:43 PM

SFC Fred Muller — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:43:59 -0400

Wtf. No way

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2016 2:19 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:19:45 -0400

MSG Carmichael, I have heard of this happening in the past. Would you post the Unit, Location and Date? By hiding the unit information, we help perpetuate this stupidity. If it poses a conflict for you, then anyone who has the information is requested to post it. Thanks!

Response by SPC Dennis Escobar made Apr 21 at 2016 9:12 PM

SPC Dennis Escobar — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 21:12:53 -0400

Response by MSgt Rena Schmidt made Apr 22 at 2016 2:59 PM

MSgt Rena Schmidt — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:59:54 -0400

give them candy or a gold star we aren't in second grade here dudes and dudetts

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made Apr 22 at 2016 3:11 PM

SSG Jeremy Kohlwes — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:11:43 -0400

What would be next? No more CIBs or CABs? Combat patches are an easy way to determine experience.

Response by TSgt Raymond Smith made Apr 24 at 2016 5:22 PM

TSgt Raymond Smith — Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:22:53 -0400

The answer in no they should not take them because it bothers the new comers. They earned them and deserve to wear them. The cry babies can go and get deployed and earn it themselves. This just wrong to force these troops to remove them.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 10:06 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:06:31 -0400

My God... really? Four tours in combat... I earned it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2016 11:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 May 2016 11:13:37 -0400

I cant belive this topic still exists, and hasn't been squashed -Backbone

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made May 5 at 2016 4:51 PM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Thu, 05 May 2016 16:51:30 -0400

Should we give everyone Participation Ribbons too? This is absurd!! You're making this up, right? I didn't see combat and thoroughly respect those who have. I wholeheartedly support them wearing those patches with pride!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2016 9:47 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 May 2016 09:47:40 -0400

Anyone who gets their feelings hurt because they don't have a combat patch and someone else does needs to return to CIF and pick up their basic load of vagisil....

Response by SPC Carson S. made May 9 at 2016 10:12 AM

SPC Carson S. — Mon, 09 May 2016 10:12:57 -0400

Heck no!! Are you kidding me? Should we make the the guys with CIBs and CABs remove them so they don't make guys who haven't earned them feel ashamed? Should we outlaw Jump Wings and Air Assault badges? What about Tan and Maroon berets? And don't forget about Ranger and Sapper tabs! How about Drill Sergeant and Recruiter patches, those might make someone feel uncomfortable too. Why not remove all ranks while were at it?! I would hate for a Private or Specialist to feel bad that they aren't a Sergeant First Class or a Captain.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2016 10:35 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 May 2016 10:35:37 -0400

Will they be allowed safe spaces, trigger warnings and comfort animals as well? "Hey SGT ... ya you with the IED fragments in your leg ... Please remove your SSI-FWTS because the PV1 Newbie over there is feeling left out."

Response by SSG Vik Polivka made May 9 at 2016 11:21 AM

SSG Vik Polivka — Mon, 09 May 2016 11:21:49 -0400

No. I know before I had any, I paid particular attention to any block of instruction offered by those that did. It serves as a credential, in some respects.

On the plus side, in the BDU era, it would have been one less thing to have to get sewn on. Not much of a plus in the land of hook and loop fastener tape...

Response by SSG Buddy Kemper made May 13 at 2016 9:28 AM

SSG Buddy Kemper — Fri, 13 May 2016 09:28:06 -0400

No. Let's just train them so they live long enough to wear there's with pride some day. And smoke their cryin' a$$e$ when they complain too much about patches or much of anything else. Happened to me my entire 1st enlistment. Even AFTER I had a combat patch....if I bitched... smoke was soon to be billowing out of my fatigues (remember when we called them THAT?). If ya want sensitivity& hugs, join the Salvation Army or volunteer at an animal shelter. Thanks to all who serve past, present& future. Strike and Kill! AIR ASSAULT!!!!!!!

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made May 20 at 2016 6:48 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Fri, 20 May 2016 18:48:50 -0400

send them to get theirs

Response by SGT Jody Trapp made May 20 at 2016 10:01 PM

SGT Jody Trapp — Fri, 20 May 2016 22:01:31 -0400

I think that if we earned to right to wear a deployment patch, ranger tab, Sapper, airborne then we should be able to wear it. Earn what you wear. If you envy it then work hard and get what you want

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2016 12:17 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 May 2016 12:17:39 -0400

So I have the same knee-jerk reaction that everyone does..."No. Don't Change" which I spend countless hours railing against that mentality. Let me play devil's advocate a little and pose a question to the group at large...why DO we have combat patches? My Marine buddies always tell me "the Marine Corps doesn't get WEBELOS patches for doing our job". When I thought about it, I realized we were the only branch that does the "look at me" thing with patches, tabs, etc.. Should we adopt a more "quiet professional" mentality?

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made Jun 1 at 2016 3:57 PM

LTC Mark Beattie — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 15:57:17 -0400

No, if you've earned the right to wear a combat patch, then wear it!!

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Jun 3 at 2016 2:44 AM

Cpl James Waycasie — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 02:44:04 -0400

You earn it; it's yours. Wear it. Why have it if you can't wear it? This world is getting so cry babyish.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2016 12:22 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:22:55 -0400

I can't believe this is still being discussed.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2016 12:43 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:43:15 -0400

You earn it you wear it. Geez... maybe the new soldiers should be given a "safe place" away from the combat vets. Just ridiculous.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2016 12:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:32:17 -0400

No. I don't have one, I haven't deployed yet. Doesn't bother me or any of the other junior enlisted in my unit.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Aug 16 at 2016 4:07 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 04:07:57 -0400

give them a Participation badge until they earn something,

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Aug 19 at 2016 1:14 AM

SSG Walter Corretjer — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:14:53 -0400

Sorry,but since the system won't allow me to vote the other way,I vote NO thru here.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2016 5:31 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:31:49 -0400

Well I guess we might as well get rid of all of our ribbons and badges on our Class A uniform as well!!!! Wow!!!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2016 10:22 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:22:17 -0500

Seems to defeat the entire purpose of a combat patch.

Response by PFC Jason Jackson made Nov 18 at 2016 12:44 AM

PFC Jason Jackson — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:44:20 -0500

No, what is it with this being sensitive crap. Those who deployed earned this combat patches. Is this really a question we have to ask?

Response by CWO4 David Smith made Nov 18 at 2016 9:11 PM

CWO4 David Smith — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:11:19 -0500

If we continue to worry about crybabies and hurt feelings, may just want to change the name from something that PROUDLY SIGNIFIES an HONORABLE, RESPECTED FIGHTING FORCE as is the U.S. ARMY, to something more suitable, more TOUCHY-FEELY like the LIBERAL Activities Group.
Maybe they should just GIVE IT to EVERYONE, earned or not, because removing it DUE TO WHINEY-Azz, TOUCHY-FEELY CRYBABIES amounts to essentially the same thing......something ELSE that those WHO HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT can't be PROUD to HAVE EARNED and DISPLAY it PROUDLY!!

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 19 at 2016 5:30 AM

SFC George Smith — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 05:30:09 -0500

more of the political correctness... someone needs to walk into a Jap Slapping Line...

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Nov 19 at 2016 9:40 AM

SSG Gerhard S. — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:40:45 -0500

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Dec 8 at 2016 3:42 PM

SFC Dennis A. — Thu, 08 Dec 2016 15:42:43 -0500

It is a combat patch not a participation award. Grow up and join the adult world.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2016 12:25 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:25:50 -0500

No. Do not remove the patches. I appreciate the Commander's desire for everyone to train on a level playing field, however, if I was the new kid, I'd want to know who to look for a mentor. It won't click with everyone. Besides, they aren't fooling anyone. Everyone knows just by looking at them they're the new guys. And they know they've never deployed. They'll get their chance.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Dec 15 at 2016 3:38 PM

SSG Ken Gilder — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:38:29 -0500

I've had my fill of politically correct cupcakes and snowflakes. The world is what it is, and, as the saying goes, "Give me the strength to change the things I can; the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Response by SGT Chris Lawrence made Jan 13 at 2017 5:42 AM

SGT Chris Lawrence — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:42:42 -0500

No f'n way!

Response by SGT Mark Koenig made Jan 19 at 2017 9:51 PM

SGT Mark Koenig — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:51:06 -0500

When you get a big fat shot in your ass and have to run for cover from mortar and rifle fire, you can have a patch. Too many seek what they do not have, only to find, when they get it, they no longer wish for it.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Feb 27 at 2017 1:15 PM

MSgt George Cater — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:15:33 -0500

Well, certainly. We must keep each fresh batch of FNGs insulated from reality. While you're at it, remove CIB's, CMB's, CAB's, all wings and skill badges, and personal decorations and service ribbons. Nothing including the CMH (imagine how intimidating that would be). Only allow the NDSM & 'I went to basic' ribbons. That way everyone can feel valued or devalued the same.
Oh yeah, make sure these boots know that when they are combat vets, they'll be penalized by the same idiotic policy. No sense in having today's warriors experiencing the awe of seeing their leaders service history displayed on their uniforms like we got to do.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Feb 27 at 2017 5:47 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 17:47:55 -0500

No, keep those patches and mentor those who are yet to earn one

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Feb 28 at 2017 9:43 AM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:43:59 -0500

MSG Wally Carmichael It never bothered me when I was stationed in Europe for three years from 1977 to 1980 and all of my unit members had combat patches from Vietnam. They earned them and I was proud to serve with them. It is what it is!

Response by SGT James Colwell made Feb 28 at 2017 11:38 AM

SGT James Colwell — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:38:21 -0500

As a veteran who never saw combat, I would say to those intimidated SM's, "Suck it up Buttercup!" Seriously? When I served, I saw a number of combat veterans. Did I get intimidated? No. I gravitated towards them so I could perhaps learn what it takes to survive in combat.

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Feb 28 at 2017 12:06 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:06:36 -0500

No.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Mar 20 at 2017 8:14 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 08:14:13 -0400

The participation trophy generation is still alive and well I see. You've got to be kidding, at least those who don't have one know they'll be at the front of the line for the next deployment.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Mar 23 at 2017 5:36 PM

SGT Mark Sullivan — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:36:53 -0400

Absolutely NOT! Are you going to remove all of your awards, because some butthurt wuss doesn't have the same awards you have?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 2:11 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:11:10 -0400

We can't still be talking about this? Is been about 18-24 months this has been a topic. Just stop Soldiers, just stop

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2017 1:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 13:34:14 -0400

Why is this still being talked about? Whoever runs this site should take down this ridiculous topic? You earned it, you wear it, MOVE ON!

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Apr 13 at 2017 3:07 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:07:22 -0400

no.

Response by Sgt Jason Bowen made Apr 20 at 2017 6:53 PM

Sgt Jason Bowen — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:53:24 -0400

Or you could stop pretending that a "patch" means something. Girl Scouts have patches.

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Apr 30 at 2017 8:34 AM

SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:34:17 -0400

No their time will come.

Response by SPC Kevin Kizzia made Apr 30 at 2017 8:51 AM

SPC Kevin Kizzia — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:51:43 -0400

Chain of command cant over ride the 670-1.

Response by SrA Renee StClair made Apr 30 at 2017 9:11 AM

SrA Renee StClair — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:11:31 -0400

They earned the right to wear those patches and if those who can not handle that do not belong serving.

Response by SFC Thomas Holcomb made May 5 at 2017 9:49 AM

SFC Thomas Holcomb — Fri, 05 May 2017 09:49:00 -0400

LMAO, so what about those of us who have been around a little while, been here, there done this and that and have more than just a service medal should we not where then in a dress uniform because some newbie fells bad? LOL better yet not wearing my St Barbara Lol

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jun 29 at 2017 12:30 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:30:22 -0400

If it takes a little hurt feelings, deal with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2017 11:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:36:37 -0400

If you earned it, wear it. This is the most lame idea I have ever heard.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Jul 6 at 2017 6:59 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 18:59:24 -0400

Tell the snowflakes to find their blankie and go suck their thumb!

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Jul 13 at 2017 4:29 PM

SGT Mark Sullivan — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:29:13 -0400

When I first came in to the Army it was 1987. Many of my drill instructors, and unit members had their combat patch from Vietnam and other places, I certainly wasn't upset, or had hurt feelings because they had something I didn't. I certainly didn't feel left out. I knew these were the guys that had, literally, been there done that. I respected most of them, some I wouldn't trust leading girl scouts, but the majority were great leaders, and shared their experiences as a learning tool. Catering to a group of E1's and E2's because their feelings are hurt only reinforces an unrealistic idea that they are somehow entitled to something they haven't earned. What will be next PVT Snuffy gonna cry because some SPC has a GCM and they don't, so that award can't be worn? The minute you cave in, as with any spoiled, petulant child, you have just lost control of leadership. If you want an example of where this type of unrealistic leadership gets you, look at the stupidity that has permeated so many college campuses.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 13 at 2017 6:06 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:06:37 -0400

HELL NO!!! They can and probably will get their own. It would insult the sacrifice of those troops wearing them

Response by CMSgt Mark Lewis made Jul 15 at 2017 1:25 AM

CMSgt Mark Lewis — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:25:08 -0400

The simple answer is "no." If they want their participation trophy then they need to actually participate in combat to earn them.

Response by SPC Christopher Jackson made Jul 20 at 2017 7:50 PM

SPC Christopher Jackson — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 19:50:09 -0400

No way. Some of you guys earned them and I'm no B*^ch because I don't have one..

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jul 20 at 2017 8:09 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:09:12 -0400

"Patches....PATCHES...... We don;t need no stinking Patches" now that the Blazing saddles reference is out the way - are you freaking kidding me??? their fee fee are hurt???? next someone will say remove our CIB's and EIB's because they feel left out, while we are at , lets do away with NCO's and Officers because not everyone is the same rank. I blame parents - at some point their fathers should have smacked the stupid out of them.

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Jul 27 at 2017 1:36 PM

SGT Peter Hayes — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 13:36:24 -0400

No. Would you remove your Ribbons from your uniform or your rank just because someone has not earned it.

Response by Larry Kotz made Jul 27 at 2017 1:46 PM

Larry Kotz — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 13:46:22 -0400

Not a snowballs chance in..... The man/woman sporting
that patch put his/her life on the line to get it. It's a matter of pride and honor. "politically Correct" has no business here.

Response by SGT David Petree made Jul 27 at 2017 2:13 PM

SGT David Petree — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:13:12 -0400

You earned it you weir it ! That patch is the one to be looked up to. Because you have the experience to teach the NEW E1 E2`s .

Response by SPC John Chambers made Jul 27 at 2017 7:25 PM

SPC John Chambers — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:25:22 -0400

I am damn proud of my Combat Patch and during Basic it was a thing of pride for me that both of my Drill Sergeants were Combat Vets. We shouldn't worry about feelings, the Combat Patch is an honor earned for combat service. If people are whining they don't have one ship their butts to Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever country we are fighting in at the time. My two cents.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2017 2:47 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 02:47:24 -0400

I have said this before in other posts, but I will say it again. The military is not a "make everyone feel good" organization. We are in the business of defense and waging wars. This whole "everyone gets a trophy" so everyone can be the same mentality has got to stop. It does nothing but degrade the force.

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 28 at 2017 9:34 AM

CPO Glenn Moss — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:34:07 -0400

If I have earned a combat badge, why would I worry about somebody else's hurt feelings?

In the words of my ever-loving wife, they can "get over it".

When you earn the badge, patch, ribbon, or medal, then you can wear it and be proud of the service the went into it. If you haven't (yet) been part of such a service, then don't worry about it...there are plenty of other duties and responsibilities to attend to, and if the opportunity comes up in the future, you'll get yours.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 1:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:08:52 -0400

Hell even AIT was handing out left sleeve Army Star Patches in Red Phase to the IET's....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 1:14 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:14:09 -0400

Sew on your CIB and then by regulation you have to wear your combat patch, brigade commander doesnt out rank 670-1. Problem solved, problem staying solved

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 1:20 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:20:43 -0400

Do they feel left out for not having things like ARCOMs, Bronze Stars, etc.? Is that a good reason for Soldiers who, do have them not to wear them on their Class As? Do they feel left out that they don't have as many stripes as others Soldiers.

Response by SP6 Gena Harpole made Jul 30 at 2017 1:24 PM

SP6 Gena Harpole — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:24:32 -0400

I earned my shit, they can to

Response by SPC Roger Giffen made Jul 30 at 2017 1:25 PM

SPC Roger Giffen — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:25:13 -0400

I was once a lowly E-1. I was impressed by all the combat patches and all the hash marks worn by the more senior soldiers. Too many cream puffs today.

Response by PO3 David Adams made Jul 30 at 2017 1:25 PM

PO3 David Adams — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:25:23 -0400

Too Damn Bad The New Guys don't Have a Combat Patch - Cause they feel left out - Hey Here's an IDEA - All Those Soldiers that Feel Left Out can Have the Whole Unit shoot Live Ammo at Them so That They can Feel the Same Way While On Deployment (& the Shooting of live ammo at Newbies must go on for as long as Deployment Was) until Then Keep giving out Combat Patches to Those that EARN Them!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 1:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:28:50 -0400

This is the problem with today's generation. Trying to be politically correct and care fore everyone's feelings. This is the military, no a college campus. There are no safe spaces and everyone is not equal and THAT should be ok, expected, and understood. Privates are the lowest and just like I was, should be made to do everything. That's expected. Deployments are the ultimate level of sacrifice from a soldier, and some pay the ultimate price on top of that sacrifice. If the only thing we can provide those service members is an award and a patch then so be it, it should be held prestigious.

I was in a transportation company, scheduled for 4 deployments over my 5 years of service. I was canceled every single time. 5 years and I never deployed. I don't walk around asking others to take off their patches or to not talk about their deployment stories. They earned that right, I'm envious yes but I don't ask them to stop. I respect their patch, their sacrifice, the friends some have lost, and I would never ask them to change that

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jul 30 at 2017 1:29 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:29:35 -0400

That would be like saying submariners shouldn't wear their dolphins because those who haven't earned them will feel left out. Not only no but fudge no!

Response by CPL Bobby McKellar made Jul 30 at 2017 1:29 PM

CPL Bobby McKellar — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:29:56 -0400

I so badly want to leave a profanity laced tirade about how stupid things have gotten due to a generation who got participation trophies, were told that they were special & awesome when they were dumber than dirt and who got put in "time out" instead of having their asses whipped...BUT I won't do that.
If they want a combat patch then they can certainly volunteer to be fillers for units headed to the sandboxes. However, they should be warned that there are sometimes serious consequences that go along with getting that "Shoulder Sleeve Insignia-Former Warrime Service"...

Response by PFC Sheila Harrison made Jul 30 at 2017 1:33 PM

PFC Sheila Harrison — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:33:55 -0400

Holy shit storm batman

Response by PFC Sheila Harrison made Jul 30 at 2017 1:38 PM

PFC Sheila Harrison — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:38:15 -0400

Participation trophy brats

Response by PFC Shawn West made Jul 30 at 2017 1:41 PM

PFC Shawn West — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:41:26 -0400

I never had the opportunity to earn a combat patch even though I absolutely wanted to go earn one. Those that did have them, I felt they deserved to wear them with pride. They also indicate that that person has been in a combat zone and may be an excellent person to learn from.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 1:41 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:41:58 -0400

Then he'll. Replace with middle finger combat patch...

Response by SPC Vince Birtel made Jul 30 at 2017 1:49 PM

SPC Vince Birtel — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:49:04 -0400

If you want a patch. Sign up to go with a different unit. They are always looking for volunteers. That way others wont be voluntold.

Response by PO1 Matt Klinghammer made Jul 30 at 2017 1:53 PM

PO1 Matt Klinghammer — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:53:43 -0400

Poor Snowflake Enlisted. This is the Army or is it? Make them earn their badges just like every other person who has served has done.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Reese made Jul 30 at 2017 2:15 PM

SPC Jeffrey Reese — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:15:06 -0400

A combat patch is not a participation robin it is earned with by putting your ass on the line and I will be damned if I would support taking it off because some new recruits want to cry because they don't have one. They can stick around until the next deployment and earn one for them selves!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 2:51 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:51:06 -0400

MORE PC? I think NOT!

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Jul 30 at 2017 2:52 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:52:19 -0400

Marines do perfectly well without them

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 3:03 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:03:23 -0400

Tell them to suck it up and be ready to deploy to eventually earn a combat patch! Many of us felt left out on awards and promotions through out our careers!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 3:05 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:05:07 -0400

Response by SPC William Parrish made Jul 30 at 2017 3:10 PM

SPC William Parrish — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:10:38 -0400

Boo Hoo

Response by SPC John Decker made Jul 30 at 2017 3:25 PM

SPC John Decker — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:25:03 -0400

There had not been recent combat when I was active duty. That being said, I felt better knowing there were guys that had seen combat in my unit/s to look up to should we be deployed. What are these new people thinking? Always look up to those that came before you. Makes friends with them. They're the ones that will keep you alive should you all ever be deployed to a combat zone.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 3:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:27:51 -0400

Oh wait, this is a thing? I mean, for real? Aren't new Soldiers supposed to learn their jobs, hone their craft, and ultimately become a more efficient war fighter as opposed to wondering where they stand amongst their seniors? (Hint: it rhymes with "they are the bottom rung on this particular ladder of Army.")

To the seniors leaders, this shouldn't be a thing. Focusing more on training Soldiers for war and war support is our business.

To the new Soldiers: this isn't high school. Grow up and stop worrying about what other people have on their right sleeve who have earned it that you don't have because you didn't earn it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 3:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:52:53 -0400

Hell to the no

Response by TSgt Jim Clemente made Jul 30 at 2017 3:53 PM

TSgt Jim Clemente — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:53:51 -0400

HELL NO! they are earned

Response by MSgt Dan Calhoun made Jul 30 at 2017 3:56 PM

MSgt Dan Calhoun — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:56:25 -0400

Hmm, well if we are worried about peoples feelings then i guess we should get rid of all awards and decorations because these E1s & E2s wouldn't have any and said feelings may be hurt. While we are at it lets go ahead and get rid of rank and pay grade all together so those feelings are not hurt. SMH

Response by CPO Joe Jester made Jul 30 at 2017 3:59 PM

CPO Joe Jester — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:59:02 -0400

I wanted both NO and WTFO?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 4:02 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:02:02 -0400

Combat Patches... lol

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 4:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:21:06 -0400

As a junior enlisted infantryman, I look up to the NCOs in my unit who have served in combat. Those men have a plethora of knowledge and insight into what war is actually like. If I am to be proficient at my job, why wouldn't I want to learn from those who have done it already? I respect those men, I don't get upset over their service history. I have never met a soldier who was actually upset that his leadership was allowed to wear certain decorations while he wasn't. Personally, I don't think anyone that feeble belongs in the military.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 5:58 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:58:33 -0400

Next we can stop giving out medals and awards for being good at things, because it leaves out those who can't uphold the standards

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2017 8:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:12:40 -0400

No they shouldn't remove it. I tell young troops all the time, don't rush into war. If you stay in long enough, you will get one eventually. Be patient.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 30 at 2017 8:16 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:16:33 -0400

Poor widdle snowflake !

Response by PFC Timothy Smith made Jul 30 at 2017 8:25 PM

PFC Timothy Smith — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:25:22 -0400

I'm not a combat veteran, but those soldiers earned the patches and they should be worn with pride! The new e1 and e2 need to do their time and earn it.

Response by A1C Steven Olsen made Jul 30 at 2017 11:24 PM

A1C Steven Olsen — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:24:17 -0400

If your unit deploys to a combat zone, it's yours to display.

Response by SGT Jon Barton made Jul 31 at 2017 12:33 AM

SGT Jon Barton — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:33:17 -0400

The patch stays! I'm fed up with these new recruits cimg I'm thinking that things are handed out out to them just because they feel left out. They want so bad then ship them out with other units deployed and then they can EARN the patch that hey so desire. Stop catering to these kids.

Response by SSG Jimmy Cernich made Jul 31 at 2017 12:38 AM

SSG Jimmy Cernich — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:38:56 -0400

Response by SSgt Kyle D. made Jul 31 at 2017 2:07 AM

SSgt Kyle D. — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 02:07:06 -0400

Sorry snowflake. You'll get your participation trophy later.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Jul 31 at 2017 2:13 AM

SGT Bryan O'Reilly — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 02:13:06 -0400

Absolutely not. Those patches are earned and should be worn proudly. The younger EMs have role models to aspire to. This is not a summer camp. We don't give prizes. Don't disrespect the service of those who deployed and stood up for what they have by having them hide it. It sends the wrong message and it's dishonest..

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2017 4:58 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 04:58:21 -0400

Some of my brother's and sister's bled and worse for the patch u wear on my right shoulder. So no mater the rank or position that tells me to remove it, not happening. Might as start my paperwork for disciplinary actions

Response by SGT Michael May made Jul 31 at 2017 5:59 AM

SGT Michael May — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 05:59:19 -0400

Oh, are we into giving out trophies to everyone now like they do for kids soccer leagues. WTH. The armed services isn't about feelings, it's about doing your job, protecting you buddy's butt while under fire. Being afraid of death, but knowing that what you're doing is far greater. Serving your country, hoping and praying that you make it home, and at the same time accepting the fact that you may not.
Feelings, I'll let you know about them when I find them.

Response by PO2 Johnny Ashburn made Jul 31 at 2017 8:41 AM

PO2 Johnny Ashburn — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:41:29 -0400

For goodness sake I would not want to be in battle with the wormy silly crybaby like those you are considering as panty wastes. Johnny Ashburn Lt.C ( retired)

Response by SPC Michael Cooper made Jul 31 at 2017 9:44 AM

SPC Michael Cooper — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 09:44:51 -0400

Why lets just give them a higher rank. A combat patched is earned just like rank is earned it is not a Privilige given because you wear the uniform. If their feelings are hurt because they dont have what I earned . What will they do under fire cry because they dont want to play anymore. I have many patches from many deployment each has a special meaning for me but the one i am most proud of is the 16th MP BDG ( ABN). I deployed 3 different times with them. To me its a rite of passage to be earned not given or taken to give someone more of a feeling

Response by COL Mo Fenner made Jul 31 at 2017 10:53 AM

COL Mo Fenner — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:53:46 -0400

I was one of the WTH answers. It is necessary to read entire article in Army Times. The standard in certain units is a sterile uniform when deployed. That includes only name and US Army. There is a need for training like you deploy, but since this was only for Cbt Patches - that is horse pucky. That a BCT Commander did it - SMH.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2017 2:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:05:13 -0400

This is true it was a BCT at fort Carson. It also applies when they're in the field

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2017 9:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 21:54:03 -0400

The combat patch is to honor and reminder of what your hard earn sweat,sacrifice is all about. If the new ones can't respect that, then they need to go earn it themselves. Quit crying like the kids that get the participations award.

Response by Sgt Dee Watts made Jul 31 at 2017 11:46 PM

Sgt Dee Watts — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 23:46:47 -0400

Dumbest shit I've ever seen on Rallypoint!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2017 9:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Aug 2017 21:07:36 -0400

Why don't we just give everyone 1 million bucks that hasn't earned it! No, better yet, let's take away $1 million from people that earned it since not everybody else has it. It's definitely more important to be sensitive to people tend to take care of people that have earned the recognition.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2017 9:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 21:23:42 -0400

This was me from 92-2001, I had no combat patch...I was between wars. Still saw some crap, but hey, go earn your patch buddy...quitcherbitchin...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2017 1:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:44:10 -0400

Who in the hell runs this site????? Stop with this BS!!!!!!!!!!! You have the power to stop this. Do it!!!!! This is going on how many years now?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2017 2:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:28:32 -0400

Why is this still a topic? Did new SM's join the military and got all misty eyes about not having one? I leave in a year again. Take one of mine. Get over it and suck it up.
But I'll be on the other side of this for a second: don't be the SM that puts down someone for not having one. They are no less of a SM than you. Matter of fact, you big talkers could have been "Fobbits" the whole time and are trying to look down on others.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Aug 13 at 2017 7:47 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 19:47:41 -0400

Give them a blankie and nuck!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Sep 13 at 2017 7:06 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:06:59 -0400

Hell no I enjoy seeing Combat Patches its a great conversation starter what's
the problem? Those soldiers earned those patches!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2017 9:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:05:49 -0400

I don't have a combat patch, but I wouldn't take them away because of sensitivity. I feel that people who've earned it should have the right to wear it. I haven't been looked at differently for not having a patch, but i'm sure people have their own thoughts on this.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2017 12:44 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:44:56 -0400

Absolutely not. You earned your combat patch and you should proudly wear it. They know how to get one and if they really want it badly enough, they will find a way. MSG your men must look up to your accomplishments and seek to emulate them. Hopefully in time the patch will not matter, but if nothing else it shows that you made your bones in a less pleasant place. I believe that not wearing it on official photographs might be considered being out of uniform. There is one big exception. When deployed in a combat arms role I wore the absolute minimum of patches, badges, etc. No reason to make yourself a target, or help their intel collectors.

Response by SPC Christopher Jackson made Oct 15 at 2017 2:39 AM

SPC Christopher Jackson — Sun, 15 Oct 2017 02:39:49 -0400

Most of the NCO's in my day were Vietnam vets, close to retiring but still had a few years left to complete. these NCO's for sure as well as soldiers have EVERY RIGHT to wear a combat patch. You don't know what that guy or gal went through to earn it. Most told me about the SERIOUS suck they endured wherever they deployed. Anyone who is chickenS#$t to worry about that, take heed, you'll deploy often that you have a high chance of earning a combat patch yourself. then you'll have a different view of this topic Afterwards believe me.

Response by SSG Thomas Locke made Oct 22 at 2017 1:17 PM

SSG Thomas Locke — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:17:53 -0400

This is the dumbest question that I ever herd of. Chain of command authorizes combat awards,during verification of the documentation of tour dates in an area that is deemed a combat zone.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Oct 22 at 2017 4:44 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:44:47 -0400

That would be the same as removing all your ribbons from your dress uniform, because the Privates don't have any. They have to earn those with TIS and TIR, just like everyone else did.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 22 at 2017 5:03 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:03:21 -0400

No, do we remove our awards because others don't have them?

Response by PV2 Chris Alzner made Nov 9 at 2017 1:17 PM

PV2 Chris Alzner — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:17:50 -0500

The Army is about action not bitchy little punks with no GUTS.

Response by SPC Robert Coventry made Nov 9 at 2017 1:28 PM

SPC Robert Coventry — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:28:11 -0500

BS you earned them they should stay on...

Response by SGT James Roy Sr made Nov 9 at 2017 2:31 PM

SGT James Roy Sr — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:31:51 -0500

YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT?
Whew, I thought so!

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2017 6:02 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 18:02:15 -0500

This is (headshaking). In the meantime the fruit salad on our dress uniforms gets ever larger.

Response by PO1 Joseph Smith made Nov 9 at 2017 6:23 PM

PO1 Joseph Smith — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 18:23:50 -0500

A handful of sailors from my company did the MCMAP thing while we were in Iraq and earned the tan belt. They were not allowed to wear them on their Navy digie uniforms. That makes sense. Different service, wrong uniform.

Removing the combat patches is a whole different animal. This attitude reminds me of the crap I saw in my day like Stress Cards and boot camp recruits not having to run in boots.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2017 4:40 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:40:12 -0500

No
Unless we want to remove Rank, position/title, pay etc
The answer is No

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Nov 29 at 2017 12:51 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:51:46 -0500

For those wanting a combat patch they must do that most of us did: volunteer for overseas' duty in a combat environment. Such Soldiers that bemoan the absence of a combat patch get no sympathy from me as they echo the same feelings of their counterparts in the liberal, political civilian world.

Response by SSG Corey Pyle made Dec 8 at 2017 10:15 AM

SSG Corey Pyle — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 10:15:52 -0500

frickin earn it.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 8 at 2017 10:22 AM

SPC David Willis — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 10:22:36 -0500

While we're at it I had a SFC yell at me a lot once, can we also remove rank so we are all equals? I always wanted to call my SGM Jim cuz I viewed him more as a buddy than a boss.

Response by SGT Joshua Liberty made Dec 8 at 2017 10:59 AM

SGT Joshua Liberty — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 10:59:48 -0500

Wow so how the pvts feel is now an issue, well just to make them feel better we take away something that everyone who deployed had earned. Stop the bullshit and tell them if they have an issue with it they will get their chance to earn it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2017 4:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 16:24:54 -0500

Social experiment in full effect.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2017 6:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:57:09 -0500

Voulenteer to be deployed, or wait your turn to earn one FREAKIN BABIES !!!

Response by SPC Wade Leathers made Dec 8 at 2017 9:09 PM

SPC Wade Leathers — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:09:54 -0500

Combat is what it is....hell I earned mine!!!, They need to get some of that sand storm treatment....!

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2017 9:33 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:33:26 -0500

WTF! You feel left out because some Soldiers are wearing something they earned and something you haven’t tough shit! If you want it go earn it; until then learn what you can from those combat veterans; and when it’s time you will get yours!

Response by SPC Frankie Godwinj made Dec 8 at 2017 9:57 PM

SPC Frankie Godwinj — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:57:09 -0500

Combat patches are earned hence the word combat patch if this offends anyone they are deranged they should strive to get one if not get out and become a politician the military is for the ones that give up so much for everyone and a little recognition is not a bad thing

Response by SGT Ken Reeves made Dec 8 at 2017 10:21 PM

SGT Ken Reeves — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:21:18 -0500

Hell no they shouldn't be removed. Those of us that have deployed to combat zones earned them. The newbies need to suck it up and move on.

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made Dec 9 at 2017 8:30 AM

SGT Joseph Miller — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 08:30:40 -0500

What a bright idea, next let's get rid of unit patches because someone unit patch might be cooler than another's and we don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings. And let's get rid of ranger tabs, SF tabs and airborne tabs so the ones that never earned one aren't left out, also let's get rid of any qualification badges as that might hurt someone's feelings that don't have one and let's get rid of medals too and just give participation trophies to everyone, "you went above and beyond the call of duty ? Sorry no MOH as we don't want hurt feelings so here's your participation trophy" ,"you were wounded? Well we can't give you a purple heart because the non purple heart recipients might feel left out, here's your participation trophy. " also on weapons quals you just get a participation certificate as we dont wanna call someone an expert because it will make the marksman shooters feel terrible. We will all just wear uniforms that have nothing on them because us army or navy or marines or airforce might feel bad about you wearing your service name on your uniform and we'll do away with name tapes in case someone has a better name and we don't want that person to feel bad and finally rank has to go as someone outranking another could cause anxiety to the lower ranks not promoted yet, we will just have leaders and followers but then again the followers might feel bad about leaders so we'll all just be wearing plain jumpsuits with nothing on them and everyone will be equal and this will make these ridiculously stupid ass libtard morons of today happy and no one will feel left out. Now does everyone see how ridiculously stupid of an idea that this is?

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Dec 9 at 2017 9:11 AM

Cpl Rc Layne — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:11:12 -0500

Weak

Response by 1SG Gary Bacon made Dec 9 at 2017 9:17 AM

1SG Gary Bacon — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:17:07 -0500

Tell them to hang around a while. They'll earn one

Response by SSG Rickey Nelson made Dec 9 at 2017 9:52 AM

SSG Rickey Nelson — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:52:34 -0500

Combat patch is something earned. They need to grow up. Maybe one day they will get deployed and see what that patch means to someone. Mine means a lot to me.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Dec 9 at 2017 9:54 AM

SGT Jim Ramge, MBA — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 09:54:08 -0500

OMFG! Boys and Girls... It’s called a right of passage or been there and done that! Should we have folks pull their ribbons until you’ve earned one too - WTFO??? Get these kids up to speed quickly, please!

Response by SSG Todd Crawford made Dec 9 at 2017 10:55 AM

SSG Todd Crawford — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 10:55:48 -0500

Hell no keep them

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 11:45 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:45:15 -0500

I earned my patch and ill wear it with pride.

Response by SFC Gary Boyle made Dec 9 at 2017 11:50 AM

SFC Gary Boyle — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:50:21 -0500

You don’t remove anything off of your uniform that has been earned because of someone’s feelings may be hurt.

Response by PV2 Dv Michael Persson made Dec 9 at 2017 12:00 PM

PV2 Dv Michael Persson — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:00:31 -0500

No cause that is earned unfornatly screw the asshats that can't handle it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 12:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:43:36 -0500

Stupidity,

Response by SGT Andrew Van Donselaar made Dec 9 at 2017 12:52 PM

SGT Andrew Van Donselaar — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:52:01 -0500

Why, I had an acting 1St Sergeant that was proud that he didn't have one. Tell them to put on there big girl panties and earn one.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 1:06 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:06:33 -0500

No...if you didn't deploy, you didn't miss out on family get togethers, your wedding anniversary, kids birthday or graduations, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Valentine's Day, being able to go watch a movie or go to restaurant. Those that have not deployed....your time will come...trust me it will....

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 1:08 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:08:36 -0500

Receiving an SSI is a right of passage...

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 9 at 2017 1:27 PM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:27:44 -0500

To my mind, no way, I never got to do, however, nomway does thst give me, or anyone else who didn't get to go, any right to hurt feelings, period.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 9 at 2017 1:28 PM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:28:13 -0500

Sorry, rtpo, immever got!to!go, clumsy tablet.

Response by PV2 Jai Blevins made Dec 9 at 2017 2:03 PM

PV2 Jai Blevins — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:03:55 -0500

This is the result of liberal pandering to snowflake liberals! Everyone wants a participation trophy, even if they didn't participate! Bullshit! The men who earned their patches should continue wearing them, and the ones who have not, shoukd shut the hell up!

Response by CPL Zachary Taylor made Dec 9 at 2017 2:13 PM

CPL Zachary Taylor — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:13:07 -0500

Jesus tap dancing Chirst. You feel left out. Well Johnny you just got to your unit. So yeah you are going to stand out. Your a private and not to many people hang out with privates but privates. LOL

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 2:29 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:29:16 -0500

Give me a fucking break, combat patches symbolizes a soldiers full dedication and service of deploing to a combat foriegn country under their unit division, these are honored and earned badges of the sacrifices and courage soldiers have made during their commitment going into forign combat zones, this "everybody gets a trophy" mentality this political correctness bullshit is what is destroying our military!!! Serve 12 to 18 hard months in a combat zone if you want a combat patch!!!! Service members shouldn't have to remove their combat patches just to adhere to the feelings of these new recruits!!!! GTFOH!!!!!

Response by SPC Matthew Errickson made Dec 9 at 2017 3:11 PM

SPC Matthew Errickson — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:11:25 -0500

No, we should not remove combat patches. Just because some brand new private. Joins a unit after the said unit returns from Afghanistan. Sorry kiddos those things are earned.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 3:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:20:11 -0500

What will be next the STRIPES on our dress blues! These Soldiers need to suck it up, their time will come, they already wear a damn patch in BASIC and AIT (why? Because they cried about not looking like everyone else) I earned my Deployment Patches and I’ll be damned if I disrespect those that didn’t make it home by giving it up!!

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Dec 9 at 2017 3:55 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:55:16 -0500

nope!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 9 at 2017 4:15 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:15:04 -0500

NO!

Response by CSM David Draughn made Dec 9 at 2017 4:16 PM

CSM David Draughn — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:16:16 -0500

These snowflakes need to grow up or get the HELL. The combat patch is a symbol of honor, of duty, of respect. As a young private who joined a fresh out-of-Vietnam 101st Airborne Division in the 1970’s, I admired those who proudly wore combat patches. These men motivated me to strive to reach their level of proficiency and competence. Combat experience is a matter of timing, nothing more. That patch is not one of those “everybody gets a trophy”award. Neither is the CIB, CFMB, or CAB. The Army awards too many ribbons and “I enlisted” medals already. I cannot believe that a sniveler, who probably suffered a bit of good-natured ribbing because of his inexperience and the timing of his assignment would cry like a baby. Such is Life, snowflake. If one would spend more time studying, learning and applying their skills of the craft, they would probably be a better soldier. These crybaby has to hold a combat support or combat service support MOS. Such a complaint of a trivial matter irritates me. The snowflake wears a uniform with a “U.S. ARMY” name tape above his left pocket and an American Flag on his sleeve. Those factors are enough. Sorry the Army cannot bolster this soldier’s insecurities and feelings of inadequacy because he was not at a certain location. For goodness sakes, grow up!

Response by SGT Bob S made Dec 9 at 2017 5:25 PM

SGT Bob S — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:25:01 -0500

No way. Let them earn theirs

Response by SFC Dean Lawrence made Dec 9 at 2017 5:31 PM

SFC Dean Lawrence — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:31:46 -0500

Please tell me this is a joke.

Response by SSG Erik McKinster made Dec 9 at 2017 5:35 PM

SSG Erik McKinster — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:35:27 -0500

Got 2 funny Comcast patch stories, if you can't believe it... Been out of the Marines for a few years and joined a guard unit. Quite a few combat patches around from soldiers getting off active duty. Not knowing what they were I asked. Pissed me off that I didn't get to wear something, even though I was a combat vet like them. So one day, I was rummaging through some shit that had been packed for years and I found some old pocket iron on's from back in the day. So I took all of my Cammies and put the EGA on my shoulder. No one ever noticed until I went to BNCOC, and the school commendant spotted it. Said he wished he'd thought of it and pointed to his sleeve. Noticed the threads like something was sewen there but no patch. He had his 1st Mardiv patch sewen to the inside of his sleeve!

Fast forward a bunch of years, and I'm now regular army (kids, don't follow my career path). My units deployed without me because I'm broken, and my job in the rear d is to process new shit heads in, and process old shithead's out. I forget why, but some SGT was chewing some major ass in my hallway on this SPC I was processing out. The kid was alright, but probably needed to go home, and this young fucker, no patch, was on his ass about some stupid shit, I can't even remember... Needless to say, I sent that young Apple polisher to the motor pool to do some stupid shit, and Specialist shithead and I had coffee in my office. Why, because fuck you, that's why.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 6:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:37:47 -0500

Pathetic

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 7:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:05:55 -0500

This seems an awful lot like a clickbait topic, since no veteran actually thinks that's a good idea

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 7:27 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:27:03 -0500

I'm an E-3, and I don't have one
I don't have hurt feelings, I will earn mine.

Response by SFC Rob Robinson made Dec 9 at 2017 7:38 PM

SFC Rob Robinson — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:38:42 -0500

Go earn one it’s not for just showing up or joining......it’s earned

Response by SrA Paul Pfeil made Dec 9 at 2017 7:58 PM

SrA Paul Pfeil — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:58:21 -0500

When did the military turn soft?

Response by SGT Frank Ozimek made Dec 9 at 2017 8:04 PM

SGT Frank Ozimek — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:04:08 -0500

When I entered the Army in 1964 there were WW 11 vets still on active duty as well as Korean War vets with a time in grade of 1952 . They had Combat patches and I had no desire or envy in my heart . I earned my own three years later on Vietnam . I don’t think anyone has tried for one , they happen if you were there !

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Dec 9 at 2017 8:05 PM

SGT Mathew Husen — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:05:43 -0500

When did leftists start running the Army?

Response by SFC Gary Guyer made Dec 9 at 2017 8:06 PM

SFC Gary Guyer — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:06:37 -0500

The combat path is earned. When the new soldiers get in a situation to earn one they can wear it. Otherwise do not take pride of what they earned from them because some is sad about not having one.

Response by PO1 Stephen Caldonetti made Dec 9 at 2017 8:49 PM

PO1 Stephen Caldonetti — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:49:30 -0500

Since when are E-1s and E-2s able to dictate what and who can wear a combat patch. Staff NCO's and officers need to control this situation and remember who is in charge.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2017 9:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:03:23 -0500

Quit being snowflakes. youll get your chance. america is always in conflict eventually

Response by SGT Jason Quarles made Dec 9 at 2017 9:23 PM

SGT Jason Quarles — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:23:51 -0500

Grow the fuck up. Sorry you didn't deploy wait your turn. You don't join the military to get a fucking patch.

Response by SGT Hans Fritzgerald made Dec 9 at 2017 9:26 PM

SGT Hans Fritzgerald — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:26:06 -0500

The newgens are bitch made. They have no heart and want everything without working it. Very happy I came through the Era where we put in work. 88-98 05-2011

Response by SSG Dennis Landen made Dec 9 at 2017 10:40 PM

SSG Dennis Landen — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:40:46 -0500

They must earn the patch to be able to wear one
Viet Nam veteran 1967/ 1968 I corp

Response by SP5 Dustin Icenhower made Dec 10 at 2017 12:32 AM

SP5 Dustin Icenhower — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:32:48 -0500

No way!!!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 8:28 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:28:22 -0500

So the BC is in the business of not hurting feelings? What's next, removing INF & CAB badges cause the poor little private didn't get shot at? Removing ribbons and awards from the service uniform since the poor little privates feel bad since they don't have very many? We are not a social experiment, let's stop worrying about their feelings and start teaching them about life, and earning what you have. The enemies of our country don't care about their feelings.

Response by SFC Samuel Anderson made Dec 10 at 2017 8:33 AM

SFC Samuel Anderson — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:33:05 -0500

WHY GIVE UP SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE EARNED?

Response by MSgt William Overling made Dec 10 at 2017 12:28 PM

MSgt William Overling — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:28:32 -0500

Wahhhhhhhhhhh

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 12:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:35:44 -0500

Tell em stop being a bunch of pussys

Response by SSG Shawn Kent made Dec 10 at 2017 12:41 PM

SSG Shawn Kent — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:41:23 -0500

Let's stop wearing rank also because my feelings are hurt because you earned more rank than me if this is true in glad I got out 25 years ago

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 1:23 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:23:28 -0500

This is stupid

Response by SGT Neil Ellis made Dec 10 at 2017 2:06 PM

SGT Neil Ellis — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:06:11 -0500

Hell, in that case why not strip all medals as well... smh

Response by Cpl John Barker made Dec 10 at 2017 2:10 PM

Cpl John Barker — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:10:36 -0500

No, stop being a boot

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 3:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:06:53 -0500

This actually happened to me once at NTC. 3 years ago the BC made every one remove there patches in order to make us all equal.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 3:16 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:16:51 -0500

Volunteer to deploy and get one, just because uou just finished boot doesnt entitle uou to shit..i have 20 yrs and retiring in 2019 and earned my patch. Suck it up and earn one kid.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 4:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:04:26 -0500

U dont earn it u dont wear it.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 4:10 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:10:39 -0500

There’s no reason to remove them if you haven’t deployed you don’t get one. If you have you should be allowed to wear it. If your feelings are hurt by this you don’t belon in the military

Response by SGT Anthony Shore made Dec 10 at 2017 4:24 PM

SGT Anthony Shore — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:24:04 -0500

Should we remove our rank patches and jump wings? Our combat Action Badge?

Response by CW3 Eye Bobojed made Dec 10 at 2017 5:06 PM

CW3 Eye Bobojed — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:06:08 -0500

Millinieals need to get over the PC habits from civilian life for that in real life not everyone gets the same trophies, patches, awards, medals, etc. Combat patches are earned, but I guess that is where the rub is things must be earned not just free on the table handouts

Response by SGT Bob Bleninger made Dec 10 at 2017 5:22 PM

SGT Bob Bleninger — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:22:42 -0500

They can suck it up it was earned and should be worn

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 5:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:32:16 -0500

Shut up and color...what is this all coming too

Response by CPO Noel Cotton made Dec 10 at 2017 5:40 PM

CPO Noel Cotton — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:40:56 -0500

Those that have been deployed earned them so they should be allowed to wear them if juniors feel left out that is too bad

Response by SSG Ken Bullivant made Dec 10 at 2017 6:18 PM

SSG Ken Bullivant — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:18:25 -0500

Well maybe we should get rid of all awards and decorations. For me seeing others awards and decorations made me want to go out and earn them .

Response by 1stSgt Jerry Johnson made Dec 10 at 2017 6:54 PM

1stSgt Jerry Johnson — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:54:12 -0500

They won't feel left out very long. When they deploy to a combat zone they will EARN the right to wear the patch.

Response by SPC Jane Thompson made Dec 10 at 2017 8:37 PM

SPC Jane Thompson — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:37:25 -0500

This isn't little league where everyone gets a trophy. Those patches were earned. Want one? Do the time. As an E-1 or 2, you are just getting started. A combat patch is to be earned. Worked with plenty of soldiers with combat patches, understood the significance. Privates should also.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 8:37 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:37:33 -0500

I’ve been in for 2 and a half years and Still don’t have one. Wear what you earn and suck it up

Response by SFC Melvin Showell made Dec 10 at 2017 9:22 PM

SFC Melvin Showell — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:22:40 -0500

When I joined in 1975, my first assignment was with A Trp 1st Sqn/9th Cav, 1st Cav Div, 80% of the unit wore 1st Cav patches on both shoulders. We called them 1st Cav sandwiches. We respected them and learned from them and soaked up their knowledge. Be careful for what you wish for.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 9:30 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:30:52 -0500

Vaginas. Shut the Fuxk up. I seen E-6s with 0 deployments.

Response by CSM Christopher St. Cyr made Dec 10 at 2017 9:55 PM

CSM Christopher St. Cyr — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:55:24 -0500

11/11/03 I brought my young son to the Veteran's Day Ceremony in our town. On the short walk back to the car afterwards he asks why most of the guys at the ceremony have patches on both arms but I only wear one. I explained combat patches to him and that I was happy without one. I also explained that didn't mean I would refuse to go if called. Little did I know then I would be celebrating Veteran's Day 2004 in Iraq and would be sporting patches on both sleeves.

When I first reported to my permanent party unit, I was still an E-1 Private. Using this officer's logic, every NCO and officer should have to remove their rank so I wouldn't feel bad about being a slick sleeve.

As another member stated, our uniform is our resume. If you know the language, you know places people have been and things they have done.

Response by CSM John Mead made Dec 10 at 2017 10:08 PM

CSM John Mead — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:08:09 -0500

They are a rite of passage. Those new troops need to view vets with multiple tours as ones to emulate.

Response by SFC Chris Indermuehle made Dec 10 at 2017 10:15 PM

SFC Chris Indermuehle — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:15:14 -0500

Got to love the poor little snow flakes, wouldn't want to hurry there little feelings now would we?

Response by LTC Gene Kilcawley made Dec 10 at 2017 10:15 PM

LTC Gene Kilcawley — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:15:52 -0500

Patch has been earned. New soldiers will get their chance sooner than later.

Response by SFC John Henao made Dec 10 at 2017 10:53 PM

SFC John Henao — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:53:07 -0500

Why is this even an idea? It may be a support unit cause there’s no way a combat unit would even allow any comments such this, I’m actually out of words hearing about this.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Dec 10 at 2017 10:57 PM

LTC John Griscom — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:57:29 -0500

Military should not be a place for this type of sensitivity. Bet morale in this unit really draws air. Do they have to take off their campaign ribbons also?

Response by SPC Philip Godinez made Dec 10 at 2017 11:00 PM

SPC Philip Godinez — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:00:11 -0500

This must be a joke. I was active for four years and never received a combat patch, I never felt left out because I didn't earn it.
I always respected and admired the guys who had them

Response by SPC R Nolan made Dec 10 at 2017 11:06 PM

SPC R Nolan — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:06:53 -0500

Are all tbe Ranger grads taking off the tab too....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 7:52 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:52:01 -0500

Are you cucking kidding me!!!! Bunch of pussies the Armed forces is producing. Fucking sad. Feel left out.GTFOH!!! EARN THAT SHIT LIKE THE REST OF US . PRIVATE

Response by SPC Mike Santoro made Dec 11 at 2017 8:11 AM

SPC Mike Santoro — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:11:57 -0500

Those new recruits should understand that those patches were earned. They were not just given to a soldier, those soldiers risked their lives for those patches and deserve the recognition they have earned.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 8:45 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:45:35 -0500

Want a patch, get off your lazy ass, deploy and then you will get one. Until then STFU!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 9:18 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:18:29 -0500

Melt the snowflakes. You earn a combat patch. The newbies need to learn respect.
#MSG with 29 years and a combat patch

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 10:10 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:10:56 -0500

You already have one on your right shoulder. It call, US FLAG.

Response by Cpl Kevin Partlow made Dec 11 at 2017 10:21 AM

Cpl Kevin Partlow — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:21:08 -0500

COL Mikel J. Burroughs,LCpl Herick Perez

I hope to find that this is a fake article but in the event that it is not; I would like to start by saying I am proud of my service as an Avionics technician. Never deployed and yet supported aviation operations. Pride is something that we all should have and if we don’t it’s no one else’s fault. I remember wearing no name tape, go-fasters and a glo belt and looking forward to getting my US Marine and name tape, (oh and boots ;) ) you can be proud of yourself no matter where you are at as long as you know you are going somewhere.

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Dec 11 at 2017 10:24 AM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:24:04 -0500

So the participation trophy infection has spread to the military as well? If it was earned, wear it! Let those without, earn their own....

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 10:37 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:37:16 -0500

IMHO, Hell no. Those who have them have earned them. They went through hell to get them and should be proud to wear them. Those who have a problem with it should put up or shut up.

Response by SPC Chip Quinteros made Dec 11 at 2017 11:02 AM

SPC Chip Quinteros — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:02:19 -0500

Why do I click on these posts????

Response by SGT Chelsea Schwartz made Dec 11 at 2017 12:16 PM

SGT Chelsea Schwartz — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:16:47 -0500

I think we are raising a bunch of snowflakes in the military now! The combat patch is earned through deployment and is an honor to wear. I think the Army shouldn’t be giving in to snowflakes. What’s next a damn safe place? They need to grow the hell up and learn you don’t always get what others get! That’s all folks.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 11 at 2017 1:06 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:06:07 -0500

Big flippin babies go earn your own combat patch its a sign of honor!

Response by COL Keith Fincher made Dec 11 at 2017 3:52 PM

COL Keith Fincher — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:52:00 -0500

Then why ever wear them. Dumb. PC infiltration to the warfighter

Response by MAJ John Moran made Dec 11 at 2017 4:45 PM

MAJ John Moran — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:45:22 -0500

ZFG for the patch envy feelings of boot cherries.

Response by SGT Lanny Lollar made Dec 11 at 2017 5:44 PM

SGT Lanny Lollar — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:44:46 -0500

What the hell is the military come to. It's all about feelings now. It seems to me that it's getting to be a over rated boy scout camp. Hell you can't treat anyone like we used to. Wall to wall counseling. Dam some of these kids need that. If you want a patch go to war and get one. If your to scared then get out and quit being a puss.

Response by SFC Mark Pfeiffer made Dec 11 at 2017 6:28 PM

SFC Mark Pfeiffer — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:28:01 -0500

These are the same people who stole the Rangers' berets because non-Rangers felt slighted. Suck it up, buttercup. Those ho have a combat EARNED it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 8:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:08:37 -0500

They have to earn it, it’s not a participation trophy, brothers and sisters died for that. The rest of us have served multiple deployments to earn ours.

Bs little snowflakes need to knock the pussy whining shit off and act like grown ups
SFC

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 8:25 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:25:54 -0500

I remember when I was a slick sleeved private E-1 and found out what that patch meant on the right shoulder of the Drill Instructors. I never felt it was demeaning or left out because they were different and more accomplished/experienced. Also the skills badges they wore. I looked at those men and woman (there was only one at that time in my early career) and thought I need to learn all this shit the best I can and when I get my chance earn my path and badges. They inspired me to be more and want more. If you don’t feel that when looking at those who have gone before you, you need a career change.

Response by 1SG Don Grinsell made Dec 11 at 2017 8:58 PM

1SG Don Grinsell — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:58:37 -0500

When I enlisted I didn't feel "left out", I recognized those men for what they were...experienced soldiers who I could learn from. This just seems like a post designed to stir the pot. I certainly hope there's not a shred of truth to it.

Response by CPT Steve Thompson made Dec 11 at 2017 8:59 PM

CPT Steve Thompson — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:59:11 -0500

Give the baby soldiers something to aspire to. Don't take away something someone earned to placate folks who barely know how to properly make a bed.

Response by TSgt Terry Hayes made Dec 11 at 2017 9:47 PM

TSgt Terry Hayes — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:47:50 -0500

Hang around long enough and you'll earn your own combat patches. Until then...STOP YOUR SNIFFLING, SUCK IT UP AND SOLDIER ON.

Response by SPC Nanette Porter made Dec 11 at 2017 10:46 PM

SPC Nanette Porter — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:46:26 -0500

Exquese me those paches are erend and you should not be taking them off because someone hew hasn't been deployed yet dose not have one. Sooner or later unless something happens they more than likely will get one them selves. Until then they should have some respect for those that have been and made it back to wear that patch.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 10:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:51:57 -0500

Really! No way.... why is this even a question! What next cant where are airborne Air assault ranger pathfinder special forces drill sergeant recruiting badges? Military is going soft!

Response by COL Frank Siltman made Dec 11 at 2017 11:25 PM

COL Frank Siltman — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:25:28 -0500

Waaa. Too bad. They also don’t have the campaign or expedition medals or CABs. I was in the Army 22 years before I had a combat patch. Suck it up buttercup

Response by PO2 Harold Davis made Dec 11 at 2017 11:59 PM

PO2 Harold Davis — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:59:04 -0500

You can see the "combat patch" in the eyes of anyone that's been in combat. It never goes away. I doubt the E1 E2 etc really think what you say but maybe some officers feel that way.
Patch, service ribbons, medals are earned the hard way so let them stay.

Response by SPC Larry Kivi made Dec 12 at 2017 12:33 AM

SPC Larry Kivi — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 00:33:21 -0500

If you earned them let them wear them,if you don't have one then earn one for yourself. Don't be a cry baby about it and wear your feelings on your sleeve

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Dec 12 at 2017 12:57 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 00:57:45 -0500

Not every child gets a trophy. If they are in the Army, and are that much of a snowflake, then perhaps the Army is not right for them.

Response by SGT David Myers made Dec 12 at 2017 5:48 AM

SGT David Myers — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 05:48:00 -0500

Boo hoo no one should be so ever to rush in to combat. And just like with the E.I.B. its aworded to a soldier for deployment, so sorry your cherry ass feels left out but you need to earn it. Sence when dose the military care about herting ppls feelings really?

Response by SPC Brady Allen made Dec 12 at 2017 6:42 AM

SPC Brady Allen — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:42:43 -0500

I think this is ridiculous. Now I think we should all be professional about this issue and not ridicule those that don't have a patch. Simply set the standard by the way we carry ourselves, and simply educate those that don't have the patch. If you serve long enough, one might get one, but even if one does not get a patch, it should not identify the quality of the Soldier. Quality should be based on work and values.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2017 7:31 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:31:12 -0500

MSG- I have been thinking about getting rid of challanging and hard PT because my new privates are weak and can’t keep up, they feel left out when they can’t keep up. I have also thought about ditching regulations that make soldiers refer to officers as sir or ma’am as well as nco’s by their rank, because the privates don’t have any rank, and it makes them feel left out. Does this sound like a stupid idea? I think so too. Your junior soldiers who feel left out, should accept that they have not earned that distinction yet. I came into the Army in 96, and was comvinced I would never earn a shoulder sleeve insignia for combat. But I did, like 4 of them, and deployed more than that. I am at the point now, that I want to punch anyone who recomends me for an award in the face, because it means one more expensive change to my rack. Your young soldiers will get theirs. Sit down and explain to them the modern world landscape and the challanges this Army will face in the future. They will get theirs if they stay in. If you accommodate their whining, and ‘every should have a trophy culture’, you are not making them better. I suggest you read up you servent leadership, and what it means to give your soldiers what they need, not what they want (Thank you PME). The combat patch serves to distinguish those who have been to combat. Much like an identification badge highlighting a person you can ask about real life experiances vs what the book says. Those soldiers of yours should aspire to get there, not to have everyone else be like them. Given the oppertunity, they would want to wear one. I know this is not you implementing this change, but if it is your leadership, this is the discussion I would have. However, I feel like this is an old story - and has since been rectified. Hopefully this doesn't come back around.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2017 12:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:40:27 -0500

If these same people who feel left out we're given the choice to receive no patch but keep their arms and legs, or give up and arm or leg and receive a patch, I bet that would change their tune. If only they knew what's really at stake when deploying to a combat zone...

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Dec 12 at 2017 9:59 PM

MAJ Jim Steven — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:59:06 -0500

i think we should stop being so judgemental of our fellow servicemembers, and stop the dick measuring...
which means, no longer calling each other POG's and Legs, etc. We all do a job, we all get assigned where Human Resources sends us...

Response by SGT Brian Jones made Dec 13 at 2017 4:39 AM

SGT Brian Jones — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 04:39:43 -0500

Wrong answer dick dancer! You don't get an expert rifle badge without earning it. You don't get jump wings without going to jump school. Etc. Learn some patience!

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2017 9:09 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:09:42 -0500

This “new age” military is a bunch of snot nosed pussies. You have to earn Shit not everything is given to u. Shouldn’t be offended it should make u want to be one of them. Eat your stripes don’t bitch because you don’t have one and are jealous

Response by SPC John Alley made Dec 13 at 2017 12:51 PM

SPC John Alley — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:51:15 -0500

Hell no. When I was young soldier all the guys I saw with combat patches were Viet Man gets and a few who went to Beirut with the Marines. I looked up to them. I wanted to be them minus the whacked in the head part of certain SFC at Will. I was proud when I earned my Combat Patch. These new soldiers need to stop being mommas boys and grow up.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2017 1:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:18:04 -0500

Response by SFC Preston Sr made Dec 13 at 2017 4:23 PM

SFC Preston Sr — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:23:31 -0500

I didn't know local Commanders had the authority to ban combat patches. In my day, AR 670-1 was the authority on what is to be worn on the uniform.

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Dec 13 at 2017 9:26 PM

1SG Mark Reed — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:26:59 -0500

The troops that deployed earned them and I'm sure those newbies will get their chance. Heck I did 23 yrs retired as a 1SG and I never got deployed to a combat zone, just the DMZ In Korea. I'm proud of all those that have served our country.

Response by SPC John Lanning made Dec 13 at 2017 10:45 PM

SPC John Lanning — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:45:46 -0500

Well Boo fucking hoo..........let me break out my DD214, shape it into a violin and play for them.......

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Dec 14 at 2017 8:05 AM

SSG Wayne Wood — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:05:37 -0500

Sad. I came in at the tail-end of the Vietnam era. They even stopped giving out the NDSM about the time I came in. How do you the ones who didn't even have that felt? A medal we used to get at graduation from BCT...

But a combat patch - and even a little colored piece of clothe is something EARNED. Something that's been forgotten. The ASR - there's a participation badge.

I remember the combat vets - the "REAL veterans" during my first hitch and how we looked up to them for leadership and experience. I can only speak for myself, but I also saw the toll they paid for that experience. More than one told us younger guys we hadn't "missed a thing" by not going to Nam. But I know that I, for one had a mixture of relief I didn't have to go while at the same time experienced pang of regret like I'd missed something. But isn't that a part of life - we all only get a chance to do what we can and it is up to us to do well or badly at it - and that is the shame.

I got my chance to go into harm's way and learned they were right, I HADN'T really missed a thing; but did my duty. Guess what, the way this world's going chances are pretty good they, too, will get a chance to EARN their combat patch and when they do, it will be something they can wear with honor.

Response by MSgt Thomas Welch made Dec 14 at 2017 9:22 AM

MSgt Thomas Welch — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:22:25 -0500

You want to take a way awards and metals too as these FNG's have not earned them either. stop this crap now there are no brownie points for sucking air.

Response by SSgt James Hobbs made Dec 14 at 2017 10:06 PM

SSgt James Hobbs — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:06:05 -0500

Fucking snowflakes. Boohoo!

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2017 11:15 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:15:04 -0500

Don’t have one too bad, you just came in the Army you have to earn that deployment patch. You don’t just get it used to you like the ones they wear in BCT. Smh these new waves of soldiers are killing this fighting force.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2017 11:10 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 23:10:32 -0500

Lol no.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2017 11:13 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 23:13:43 -0500

I’m an E-1 and I know those are earned you can’t just get one you actually have to be deployed, that to me makes no sense that they are being hurt by not having a combat patch, they will just have to wait till the next deployment

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2017 9:24 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:24:29 -0500

And stuff like this is why the army is getting soft...

Response by SSG Jeff Gerfen made Dec 17 at 2017 10:38 AM

SSG Jeff Gerfen — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:38:24 -0500

We earned those patches so suck it up buttercup, you stay in long enough you may get one too

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2017 10:51 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:51:34 -0500

Wtf is wrong with people..man the fuck up you will get one when you earn one..stop babying all these people and turnong them into pussys

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 17 at 2017 11:18 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:18:26 -0500

So to not hurt snowflakes everyone should have a minimum medal rack of 18 ribbons? WTH- combat patches are earned, it is a rite of passage, let the kiddies look, and realize that when a combat vet says something, it 1. might be important and 2. It might save their lives.

Response by SPC Roger Procter made Dec 17 at 2017 11:30 AM

SPC Roger Procter — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:30:56 -0500

Snowflakes

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Dec 17 at 2017 12:22 PM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:22:18 -0500

LOL! The military is a meritocracy, not a self-esteem kindergarten. You want a tab or a patch or a ribbon or a rank? Earn them.

Response by LCDR Tim McKenzie made Dec 17 at 2017 2:53 PM

LCDR Tim McKenzie — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:53:18 -0500

Sadness

Response by SCPO Andrew Harris made Dec 17 at 2017 5:49 PM

SCPO Andrew Harris — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:49:25 -0500

WTF. This is ridiculous!! This is also why we have sensitivity training ! Give me break!!

Response by SFC Steve Lucas made Dec 17 at 2017 5:50 PM

SFC Steve Lucas — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:50:58 -0500

Screw that! Everyone of us earned that and it is an authorized item and part of the uniform. These punks have no clue. It’s like asking a Ranger or Green beret to remove their Special forces or Ranger Tab, because you feel left out. I call BS, then you want that go get it like the rest of us did!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2017 7:57 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:57:23 -0500

Whoever came up with that suggestion needs to get out!! Those along with coins are symbols to be respected..... we are not a "all participants get the same thing" sort of agency

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2017 12:14 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:14:22 -0500

No never

Response by 1SG Jum Dee made Dec 18 at 2017 7:24 AM

1SG Jum Dee — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 07:24:10 -0500

No, i promise if you stay in military you will deploy! Deployments are not fun people lose their lives!

Response by SP5 Noel Rousseau made Dec 18 at 2017 8:21 AM

SP5 Noel Rousseau — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 08:21:20 -0500

I guess they will really feel butt hurt when they do a class A inspection

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Dec 18 at 2017 10:49 AM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:49:52 -0500

You don't get a participation trophy! Don't worry Private, you'll get a combat patch, and may regret what it took to get it!!

Response by SGT Nate Cobble made Dec 18 at 2017 10:54 AM

SGT Nate Cobble — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:54:09 -0500

Should be a motivational and teaching moments for the new soldier. Plus, it's an ARMY tradition that shouldn't be broken.

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Dec 18 at 2017 11:08 AM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:08:06 -0500

Amen!!

Response by SGT Kevin Karvinen made Dec 18 at 2017 11:23 AM

SGT Kevin Karvinen — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:23:33 -0500

WTF!! Shut the fuck up you whiny ass little bitches. Step out smartly with a 30 inch step and draw fire!

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Dec 18 at 2017 11:36 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:36:28 -0500

I remember when this happened. Earning ribbons or patches doesn’t and shouldn’t have anything to do with your feelings. Either you earned it or you didn’t.

I joined the Marine Corps before 9/11 and you rarely saw people with any ribbons at all. Then people starting coming back with ribbons and CARs. They didn’t give them to people so they felt better about their place in the Corps. You either rate or you dont.

If you can’t handle not having something you didn’t earn you are gonna have to come to terms with that on your own

Response by TSgt Jennifer Disch made Dec 18 at 2017 11:43 AM

TSgt Jennifer Disch — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:43:37 -0500

Response by SGT Ben Barr made Dec 18 at 2017 11:45 AM

SGT Ben Barr — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:45:08 -0500

Push till your patches appear. Maybe old boots should be toossed as well because they have more lies than the same newly enlisted.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2017 1:01 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:01:17 -0500

Are you fucking kidding me? The “New Army” is to fucking soft. Why do people think to soften the military to have more people join then making the recruits just suck it up? I wouldn’t want to have one of them as my battle while being in a firefight.

Response by 1LT Jason Bravata made Dec 18 at 2017 4:17 PM

1LT Jason Bravata — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:17:49 -0500

I think they should go away for a different reason. I Don't think soldiers need to walk around wearing their resume on their service uniform. Save that "bling" for the dress uniform.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2017 4:50 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:50:38 -0500

I been in for 7 months and i can say the "new" army is soft

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2017 5:56 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:56:52 -0500

Fuck that my unit and myself earned our combat patch through blood sweat and tear in Iraq it’s tradition in the army to have one once you deploy to take it away is gonna affect the soldiers who’ve earned the right to wear a combat patch more than the privates who feel “Left out for not having one” to then we say suck it up do your job do as you told And one day you may have the honor and privilege or serving your country in a combat environment and EARNING your own combat patch -Spc 101st Airborne Divit

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2017 6:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:13:06 -0500

What the f%$ck is going on in the military. I am retired, thank God. Let those nee guys go to combat, just like every other soldier did to earn their combat patch. The army is not in the business of being sensitive, and not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings. The army is in the business of war and defending the nation period. WTF.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 18 at 2017 7:10 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:10:24 -0500

Hell no, someone smack the crap out of PVT Snivel

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Dec 18 at 2017 8:13 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:13:59 -0500

If this has actually happen some where, tell 'em to fuck off!

Response by SFC William Phillips made Dec 18 at 2017 8:35 PM

SFC William Phillips — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:35:05 -0500

No I earned mine in 69/70

Response by SPC Joseph Scruggs made Dec 18 at 2017 9:17 PM

SPC Joseph Scruggs — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:17:42 -0500

Every one who joins knows u gotta earn your stripes so to speak . I'm sorry but u gotta go to combat to get a combat patch if these new recruits get butthurt cause they don't have one oh well

Response by PV2 Mark Zehner made Dec 18 at 2017 9:19 PM

PV2 Mark Zehner — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:19:29 -0500

Seriously butt in the military grow up and move on when you get deployed you'll earn one

Response by 1SG Philip Tacy made Dec 18 at 2017 10:11 PM

1SG Philip Tacy — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:11:19 -0500

They have just arrived to the unit,combat patches are exactly what they are called, you earned it when you went into combat with the unit. They are not handed out as a gift because you koi ed a unit. Tell the Privates to get over it
1SG Tacy, served 21 years

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 6:42 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 06:42:11 -0500

I think that's stupid. Get over it you have to earn the patch it's not just given or at least I don't think it is.

Response by SGT Arsène Thompson made Dec 19 at 2017 7:40 AM

SGT Arsène Thompson — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 07:40:05 -0500

Army has became nothing but damn cry babies! Privates are a bunch of sensitive pogos! What has the Army changed into! Every soldier has earned whatever they get! So stop being so damn sensitive to the needs of soldiers that haven’t proof themselves yet! Trust me, they’ll a get chance at some point or anther. GODDAMN CRY BABIES!!!

Response by SSG Fernando Algarin made Dec 19 at 2017 7:43 AM

SSG Fernando Algarin — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 07:43:53 -0500

I earned mine so whoever wants one, they can earn it too or do I have to give up my Air Assault wings too? Lotflmao.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 8:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:22:30 -0500

We are sensitive enough as it is. They will jave their chance to do something over seas until it happens suck it up slick sleeve. Am I going to not get to wear my awards, tabs, or badges because they dont have them?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 8:56 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:56:34 -0500

Welcome to the echo chamber. We're all going to have the same opinion so why the fake outrage as everyone pretends to take this seriously?

Response by SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates made Dec 19 at 2017 9:35 AM

SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:35:25 -0500

Don't worry little baby. You will have plenty of opportunities to earn one soon enough if you step out of your pity party diaper and give respect where respect is due. Look to those who wear that patch and listen to the advice of those you see are the most respected by their peers. Those are the soldiers who will keep you alive if you learn from them before your turn comes.

Response by SP6 Gawad Abernathy made Dec 19 at 2017 9:51 AM

SP6 Gawad Abernathy — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:51:04 -0500

Butter cup I understand how you feel and others have felt the same way put boots on ground and earn it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 10:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:26:37 -0500

Should I not wear a marron beret or jumps wings because not everyone is Airborne? No sir. You want something you have to earn it.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 19 at 2017 10:33 AM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:33:05 -0500

Ha they are left out, they haven't deployed yet. I got my balls smoked every day along with half my platoon because we were all slick sleeved. "If you aint got a combat patch do push ups" is a phrase I still hear in my nightmares haha. Tell you what though it made sure that the minute I earned the patch it was the one thing I took the most pride in on my uniform and no matter how dicked up my uniform may have been on my worst day my combat patch was still perfect.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 1:15 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:15:22 -0500

Earn the SsOBs or get out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 1:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:16:10 -0500

Shut up. Realize you are a private. The new guy. The guy that hasn't been anywhere or done anything. Keep your mouth shut, do your job, your time will come. Hell with your feelings.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 3:11 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:11:26 -0500

No they can get over it the will get theirs if they stay in long enough

Response by SSG Steven Kelley made Dec 19 at 2017 3:25 PM

SSG Steven Kelley — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:25:50 -0500

NO! I enlisted in the late 80”s, my first unit; pretty much everyone E-6/ O-4 and above had a patch from Vietnam, I admired them, they earned it, some years later I earned my first one in Iraq. Like badges and awards, it is something earned. There is no shame in not being afforded the opportunity to qualify, there are thousands of Cold War Veterans who never qualified for a patch who never whined.
SSG(R), U.S.Army

Response by SSgt Sekliw Iegger made Dec 19 at 2017 3:30 PM

SSgt Sekliw Iegger — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:30:35 -0500

Patches are just like awards, they are earned. E1's and E2's should look at it as motivation. From what I am reading and interpreting, their feelings are hurt, they need to get over it and earn it. I did.

Response by PO1 Terence Mackin made Dec 19 at 2017 4:40 PM

PO1 Terence Mackin — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:40:00 -0500

Are you joking. Poor little e-1 and e -3s feelings are hurt. The others did their tour they deserve the recognition. Those that don’t, well .... Helll lets give them the keys to the the Sargent Major club while we are at it.

Retired USCG.

Response by SPC Doug Hale made Dec 19 at 2017 5:52 PM

SPC Doug Hale — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:52:53 -0500

Grow the he'll up!

Response by Sgt James Breslin made Dec 19 at 2017 6:22 PM

Sgt James Breslin — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:22:04 -0500

So their feelings don’t get hurt. Are you kidding me. I have heard it all now. Suck it up. If don’t take off the patches. Maybe you could tell your mommy. REALLY

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 6:39 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:39:27 -0500

I'm a new E2 if this is what it's come too that's bullshit to the fullest, my generation is a bunch of over entitled weak arses, the unit that got back from deployment has every right to wear that combat patch they earned it. Let the newbies have something to work towards. You can't demand anything in this world. You have to earn it. F### their feelings can we please stop becoming an over sensitive safe zone, and go back to the Army the world thinks we are?

Response by SGT Kim Dixon made Dec 19 at 2017 7:21 PM

SGT Kim Dixon — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:21:45 -0500

Is the Army really becoming this petty??

Response by PO1 Barbara Matthews made Dec 19 at 2017 7:45 PM

PO1 Barbara Matthews — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:45:50 -0500

Wow! That idea sucks. I spent two years in the National Guard during Desert Storm. I had one of those until I switched Navy. In the we didn't have patches but there is a Combat Action Ribbon. I didn't qualify for it though ,(I boo hoo) Thinking about it, why not remove all ribbons, medals, and insignia? While we're at it remove rank too?

Let's make everyone the same so no one feels left out. Throw pride, honor and distinction out the window.

Response by CPL James Crissen made Dec 19 at 2017 8:33 PM

CPL James Crissen — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:33:16 -0500

The 2% voting yes need to check themselves!

Response by SFC Chris Holloman made Dec 19 at 2017 10:45 PM

SFC Chris Holloman — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:45:48 -0500

If they stick around for a while they'll get one, that is one earned not just giving.Just wait it will come if you stay, pussy go home.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 11:17 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 23:17:13 -0500

If some a soldier whines that they don’t have a combat patch then put them on a plane and send them to Afghanistan and let them earn it

Response by PFC Charles Pressel III made Dec 20 at 2017 12:10 AM

PFC Charles Pressel III — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 00:10:53 -0500

You earn that patch

Response by SPC Carmen Gasbarro made Dec 20 at 2017 4:24 AM

SPC Carmen Gasbarro — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:24:36 -0500

Absolutely NOT!!! As a veteran of the US army and the National Guard afterward to fulfill my total 8 year obligation I served during Operation Desert Storm but my Guard unit was, unfortunately, not mobilized. To me, it was like I trained for 4 years actively 365 days a year then part time for about close to 3 more when the shit went down and didn't get to go and actually fight alongside my brothers and sisters in arms. That's like practicing to play a sport you love only to sit bench coz you got injured or something while your teammates are playing for the championship game. However, those that played, or in this case, fought, deserve to wear the patch just like those that actually played in the game deserve to wear those stickers you see on the helmets as in college football. Not everybody gets to have a sticker, but the team still played and perhaps won the game. You are still part of that team. You just don't get to wear a sticker on your helmet. And why should you? You didn't do anything to earn that sticker. I didn't earn a combat patch and yes, I would love to be able to wear one with pride just like many of my fellow brothers and sisters in arms. Some of them didn't make it back to wear their combat patch but were awarded them and buried with them posthumously. I could have been one of them too. I never forget that either. But that is a choice I would definitely have made knowing the risk to be able to go and fight alongside my battle buddies and to EARN the right to wear that combat patch dead or alive. Those whiney E1s and E2s should NEVER disrespect their fellow soldiers in their respective units by voicing their bullshit about how they "feel" left out. The soldier they are standing next to EARNED that patch and has every right to wear it with PRIDE and if those E1s and E2s don't respect that then get the hell out of the service. We don't want whiney bitches anyway. You'll just get in the way when it's time to fight the next time anyway!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 4:42 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:42:40 -0500

Patches are earned by being deployed and serving with unit overseas, recruits haven't earned them, same as rank insignias, do we remove sargents stripes because e1s and e2 don't have them?

Response by MAJ William Weathers made Dec 20 at 2017 5:40 AM

MAJ William Weathers — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 05:40:29 -0500

I’m disappointed someone came up with this.
If we are so timid about “hurting someone’s precious feelings,” then just get rid of all medals/ribbons, special skill identifiers, and rank.

Response by SFC David Wheeler made Dec 20 at 2017 6:12 AM

SFC David Wheeler — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:12:17 -0500

I can’t believe this was even and issue they spent there time to earn the patch retired SFC combat vet Vietnam

Response by SFC Salva Miranda made Dec 20 at 2017 7:07 AM

SFC Salva Miranda — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:07:41 -0500

Response by SN Sam Mutek made Dec 20 at 2017 8:53 AM

SN Sam Mutek — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:53:43 -0500

Lol bitch shit

Response by Cpl Leonard Franklin made Dec 20 at 2017 9:41 AM

Cpl Leonard Franklin — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:41:02 -0500

They earned them!! The nfg’s Have to deal with it they will get theirs when they earn them

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 9:48 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:48:45 -0500

Remove patches and badges youve earned so as to not make those who dont have them feel left out??? When did the Army become a safe space?

Response by SGT Blaine Pugh made Dec 20 at 2017 10:32 AM

SGT Blaine Pugh — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 10:32:17 -0500

Response by SSG Phillip Rachal made Dec 20 at 2017 10:59 AM

SSG Phillip Rachal — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 10:59:49 -0500

Found a patch for those that feel left out. But, doesn’t AR 670-1 already cover this??!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 11:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:02:58 -0500

Honestly can we just get rid of all like all the other branches so we can get rid of the bullshit Velcro

Response by 1SG Patrick Holmes made Dec 20 at 2017 12:17 PM

1SG Patrick Holmes — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:17:22 -0500

That’s the dumbest damn idea I’ve heard in a long time!

Response by Brian Dennis made Dec 20 at 2017 12:31 PM

Brian Dennis — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:31:14 -0500

Tell them cupcakes to suck it up and welcome to the real world

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 12:42 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 12:42:25 -0500

Earn your awards and devices thats why you are an E-nothing to gain experience

Response by CPL Frank Carattini made Dec 20 at 2017 2:03 PM

CPL Frank Carattini — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:03:59 -0500

What are they whining about. I never claimed about not having a patch I always picked the brains of those folks in case I had to go. Then when I served my time and earned mine I understood them and passed my wisdom down to the new troops

Response by SSG(P) Dan Keene made Dec 20 at 2017 2:27 PM

SSG(P) Dan Keene — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:27:56 -0500

Has anybody thought to tell the whiners to put their Big Boy panties on and sit over there and play quietly while the adults are talking?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 3:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:20:32 -0500

Hell no: this new generation of soldiers are pathetic. Poor, poor pitiful me. Grow up and realize life isn't all about you!!

Response by 1SG F Raymond made Dec 20 at 2017 3:44 PM

1SG F Raymond — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:44:07 -0500

You earn it, you wear it.

Response by SFC Brett Jados made Dec 20 at 2017 4:02 PM

SFC Brett Jados — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:02:14 -0500

It's the U.S. Army. Not the Salvation Army. Check your feelings at the door. I was also a Drill Sergeant. You wanna stop wearing that's as well? Why even have a any dress uniforms? Don't want anyone getting their feelings hurt while wearing that uniform to events. WTH?

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Dec 20 at 2017 4:12 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:12:32 -0500

Not no, but hell, no!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 4:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:15:50 -0500

I remember once someone tried telling me to take off mine because of new kids. I told them no and showed them in the reg where it was my choice. I also told them if they really wanted to make the new kids not feel left out, than everyone with a Ranger tab needs to take that off as well.

Response by SGT David Greth made Dec 20 at 2017 4:16 PM

SGT David Greth — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:16:11 -0500

Yeah when I was in the Army in the 80's Vietnam vets had combat patches, we didn't. We looked up to and worked to gain their respect. The way the world is now, these whiners will be deployed soon enough.

Response by Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 4:34 PM

Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:34:06 -0500

Suck it up butter cup is god damn right you selfish entitled little pricks. What have you done? What can must of us lower enlisted say that we have done? Not shit that's what. Be happy with your little army star patch you got in bct.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 4:38 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:38:40 -0500

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Response by PO1 David Witter made Dec 20 at 2017 4:43 PM

PO1 David Witter — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:43:44 -0500

Sorry E-1 and E-2 don’t deserve a patch unless they get deployed. As you advance in rank you will get the patche which is privelege you earn. Boo hoo if they get their feelings hurt. It’s time for them to grow up.

Response by SPC James Hitchens made Dec 20 at 2017 5:45 PM

SPC James Hitchens — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:45:09 -0500

They should quit their whining.
Those who have them have earned them and are entitled to wear them for life.
If the newbies can stay in long enough they can earn them as well

Response by SGT Eric Courier made Dec 20 at 2017 5:49 PM

SGT Eric Courier — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:49:26 -0500

Bunch of new cry babies. Everyone wants their deployment patches so suck it up Privates.

Response by SGT Jeremy Non-ya made Dec 20 at 2017 6:49 PM

SGT Jeremy Non-ya — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:49:14 -0500

Don’t worry youngins you’ll get yours

Response by SGT Jeremy Non-ya made Dec 20 at 2017 6:51 PM

SGT Jeremy Non-ya — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:51:55 -0500

Every new soldier I have had always cries about something why don’t I have that or what not next thing you know the will cry about pay. Combat patches are earn with your duty spent overseas in combat and in support of combat

Response by CPL Jim Otte made Dec 20 at 2017 7:11 PM

CPL Jim Otte — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 19:11:28 -0500

Those of us that have been deployed earned our combat patch(es) and just because some entitled pvt feels left out does not mean that everyone else should cater to their feelings. For fucks sake, grow up and move on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 8:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:19:57 -0500

This is ridiculous. You got some soldiers making excuses to get out of deployment and now you got soldiers with hurt feelings so now we got to cater to their feelings.

Response by SGT Rob Colbert made Dec 20 at 2017 8:32 PM

SGT Rob Colbert — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:32:49 -0500

Hell no you damn snowflakes

Response by SPC Den Wes made Dec 20 at 2017 8:56 PM

SPC Den Wes — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:56:30 -0500

BS post if I ever saw one and if true this is what happens when you begin letting snowflakes enlist.

Response by FN Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 9:01 PM

FN Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:01:48 -0500

If ya weren't there to earn it how the hell can you expect to have it ???

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 9:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:29:46 -0500

I can't believe this is even a discussion smdh

Response by PO2 Skalla Grimr made Dec 20 at 2017 9:41 PM

PO2 Skalla Grimr — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:41:28 -0500

This is fecking stupid grow up or go back mommies basement

Response by MSG John Volanos made Dec 20 at 2017 9:54 PM

MSG John Volanos — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:54:30 -0500

I wore a combat patch from 1972-1992. If I hurt someone's feelings that was to bad. I earned them and I don't bend to the wishes of snow flakes or jealous little hob cobblers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 10:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:19:23 -0500

Haha haha really. If my commander told me to take off my combat patch for that reason. I would have laughed until I cried at how ridiculously stupid that is.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2017 10:23 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:23:48 -0500

When I Landed at the high-water pads at NTC for a rotation the 4th ID unit I was supporting came out and gave great assistance in unloading the helicopter and getting us situated. The downside to supporting that unit is when we were met by the S-3, he handed us a knife and told us to remove all skill badges and pull off all shoulder sleeve insignia, Not blaming him he was just following orders.. Their reasoning i assume was so that we would all be on the same playing field and let junior soldiers feel included or that their opinion mattered somehow. In my opinion it was and is a bunch of crap. The velcro (Hook and loop for you institutionalized folks) was easy to just put back on when they were more focused with the fight and I was in a tent far away from them TOC but the skill badges were hard for some to swallow. Next thing you know guys are going to be asked to remove their tabs because it intimidates others who have PTSD from contemplating attendance to Ranger School.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Dec 20 at 2017 11:35 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:35:10 -0500

They don't have airborne wings either,

Response by PO3 BillTank Beauman made Dec 21 at 2017 1:29 AM

PO3 BillTank Beauman — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:29:46 -0500

I think the whole worrying if there feeling are hurt leads to a weak pathetic military this is just as much of a mistake just like when they started having everyone get a berete which only special forces once wore what next issue everyone a metal of honor during boot camp?

Response by SPC James Niedenthal made Dec 21 at 2017 6:53 AM

SPC James Niedenthal — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:22 -0500

They will get one when they earn one suck it the f&ck up buttercup

Response by SSgt Rick Scharnberg made Dec 21 at 2017 8:37 AM

SSgt Rick Scharnberg — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:37:47 -0500

What they want a participation award for finishing Basic training. O wait you already get a ribbon for that.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 8:58 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:58:36 -0500

There is actually a participation trophy. It’s called the Expert Action Badge. It looks like the Combat Action Badge but without the wreath and to earn it all you have to do is a lot of the skill level 1.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_Action_Badge

Expert Action Badge - Wikipedia

The Expert Action Badge, or EAB, is a proposed special skills badge of the United States Army. Similar in name and appearance to the Combat Action Badge, the EAB would be awarded to soldiers who are neither infantry, nor combat medics.[1] If the badge is approved, it could enter service by October 2019, as a way for soldiers in other MOSs to certify competencies within their specific occupation, as well as general combat readiness.[2][3]

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 9:45 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:45:15 -0500

I would like to know wich one of their parents dropped them down the flight of stairs. Weed the weak. Fill the space with someone who deserves to breathe the oxygen.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 9:48 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:48:08 -0500

And who the hell voted yes?

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 10:57 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:57:23 -0500

Are you fucking kidding me I went to a reserve unit where three are only three of us with out them they need to get out of there feelings and understand they need to earn that shit

Response by CPO Rich Bryan Huddleston made Dec 21 at 2017 11:25 AM

CPO Rich Bryan Huddleston — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:25:27 -0500

Suck it up. Pay your dues. Half tight face front lean and rest position move. Stay there till you get your mind right.

Response by SPC Paul Zastrow made Dec 21 at 2017 11:37 AM

SPC Paul Zastrow — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:37:40 -0500

You want a patch? Then step and earn one! Otherwise shut the hell up!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 11:41 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:41:12 -0500

When I entered service in 1978, almost every NCO had a patch on the right shoulder from Vietnam. I can only imagine what would have happened if someone said something as inane as "Maybe we should remove these patches because they make the new recruits feel bad." Hell, making new recruits feel bad was a major part of training in the pre-snowflake Army. You were nothing. Dirt. You had to earn respect. Others didn't put aside their earned respect so you would feel better about being dirt. I and many others didn't stay dirt. We excelled, PT'd, did what you have to do to earn the respect of your fellow warriors.

And I would strip my right sleeve for no man.

Response by SSG Ralph Moran made Dec 21 at 2017 11:48 AM

SSG Ralph Moran — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:48:50 -0500

No I earned mine and it said more than words

Response by SSG Anthony Penn made Dec 21 at 2017 1:00 PM

SSG Anthony Penn — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:00:14 -0500

They time will come. Keep soldiering on. Those guys did they time. Don't feel bad. U can learn something from them

Response by SGT Michael Hartman made Dec 21 at 2017 1:19 PM

SGT Michael Hartman — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:19:34 -0500

You have two choices you little ass wipes going to your safe spaces or staying long enough you'll get your freaking combat patch when you earn it like everyone else had to.

Response by SSgt Shawn Pugmire made Dec 21 at 2017 1:31 PM

SSgt Shawn Pugmire — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:31:12 -0500

The only ones voting for this is the ones who don’t have one. They earned so they should wear it.

Response by SPC Rob Culver made Dec 21 at 2017 5:40 PM

SPC Rob Culver — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:40:11 -0500

There is no room for snowflakes in the Army. Suck it up and drive on buttercups.

Response by PO2 Kim Phipps made Dec 21 at 2017 6:24 PM

PO2 Kim Phipps — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:24:40 -0500

HELL NO! If your "feelings" are hurt due to someones recognition of their commitment, sacrifice, and service to our country that you haven'y experienced then YOU don't belong in the military! Those ARE NOT participation awards! AE-2 '75-'79

Response by PO2 Orlando Sims, MPA made Dec 21 at 2017 6:30 PM

PO2 Orlando Sims, MPA — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:30:28 -0500

Response by PV2 Luis Aroca made Dec 21 at 2017 9:14 PM

PV2 Luis Aroca — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:14:51 -0500

That is very absurd order. As a Private I admired those who had combat patches and them I finally got my own. They can get their own eventually just like I did. Those patches is motivation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 11:52 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:52:18 -0500

Soldiers earn those patches

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 27 at 2017 9:41 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:41:40 -0500

Is it time for a good old walk behind the connex counseling session? I cannot think of a more insulting thing to do to a combat vet.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 27 at 2017 10:08 AM

SPC David Willis — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 10:08:54 -0500

Why the hell did someone downvote this?

Response by LCpl Emanuel W. made Dec 27 at 2017 1:33 PM

LCpl Emanuel W. — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 13:33:59 -0500

Those patches are earned! So what if some E1 or E2 boot feels left out! If they want something special, they have to earn it! They want a combat patch so bad then they should volunteer to go to combat and they'll get one if they come back alive. They shouldn't even be whining about that! Why do they glorify combat?! They should be glad that they're doing what no snowflake wants to do!
If you earn a patch/ribbon/medal, wear that with pride! Don't take it off because some fresh out of bootcamp idiot is jealous!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2017 9:36 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 09:36:09 -0500

quit hiding out and get in the fight. Been at war nearly 2 decades and no patch. go to the PX and stock up on Kleenex. Better yet just get out.

Response by PVT Thad Lucken made Dec 29 at 2017 12:52 AM

PVT Thad Lucken — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 00:52:29 -0500

they should be mandatory. and no, you dont get one thats a knife just because youre sad..

Response by 1SG Klayton W. Hayes made Dec 29 at 2017 1:26 AM

1SG Klayton W. Hayes — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:26:57 -0500

NO, Not in my Army.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2017 8:45 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:45:37 -0500

They will get over feeling left out, I did look up to Soldiers that wore them until I deployed. I realized it is not the patch that means anything but the story underneath the patch. I could have worn a few different ones but never chose to wear one.
Last deployment with a brigade I seen a Maj that was so grossly overweight that it was a good thing he had ACU's on instead of BDU style blouse otherwise the buttons would have popped off. Never left Bagram and came out with a patch and a BSM. I have all the respect in the world for those that actually did the door kicking, the cooks that ran gun truck missions in Iraq, the troops on RCP's and all those that stood in the line of fire or went looking for it. Those in CSS units should be good with just overseas bar.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2017 11:54 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 11:54:32 -0500

Holy shit. As a junior soldier I greatly appreciate seeing those around. I also might have a tad bit more respect for those with them than those without.

Response by SSgt Thomas Hirschey made Dec 30 at 2017 4:21 PM

SSgt Thomas Hirschey — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:21:11 -0500

Hell no, if they want one then they need to earn one. It gives them a goal in life. They need to leave the sensitivities at the damn door. This coming from a Marine!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2017 9:03 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:03:56 -0500

I think that everyone knows this unit and the BCT CDR... First of all, this policy is often taken out of context. The reason was to achieve cohesiveness in a field environment, not the garrison environment. Having been a part of a different particular unit that does just this, I never felt stepped on or marginalized because I wasn't wearing my velcro patch on my right shoulder. The heart of this policy is it's not about you or what you did; it's who you are now and what you bring to the team. Having moved to a new unit, all I wear to the field is my unit patch and IR flag. It's not about catering to people who whine because they don't have your bling; it's about emphasizing the current team and not basking in your past successes and accomplishments.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Dec 31 at 2017 1:10 PM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:10:56 -0500

absolutely not! if you get your feelings hurt because you have not seen the ugly side of life, stay in, get into the infantry, the Rangers, SF. You'll get you a little patch.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Dec 31 at 2017 1:15 PM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:15:29 -0500

I knew a guy who received some combat awards years after the combat for the simple reason no one knew we were there. He never cried because he did not get his awards, but then again he already had a combat patch and CIB. This was just some V devise stuff.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2017 3:11 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:11:24 -0500

Absolutely not, they need to suck it up. The problem new soldiers is they think we have to care about their feelings and the answer is no we don't. When Im smoking, sorry performing corrective training on a joe the last think I am thinking about is how he feels. One of the reasons I joined the Army is because you earn your keep. Put in the work and you get what you deserves in most cases and thats spoken from a non-deployed Soldiers.

Response by SSG Charlie Carlson made Dec 31 at 2017 4:45 PM

SSG Charlie Carlson — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:45:45 -0500

A combat patch shows veteran status and experience these E-2's and E-3's do not have. If you serve in combat and endure that experience you earn the right above anyone who never experienced combat to wear that badge of honor. I think combat veterans should be treated exactly as military retirees with the same privileges and even retired pay for the highest rank they held before they ETS'ed. Why should a retiree who never deployed be treated better than me or others like me who served in combat? There are many who never deployed to combat because of MOS or timing but they still have respect for those that did go to combat. For those whiners See form provided by SFC Thomas Livingston. He is on point.

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made Jan 1 at 2018 10:59 AM

PO2 Michael Henry — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 10:59:00 -0500

Hell NO! That patch is part of your uniform and just because a wet behind the ears E-1 or E-2 doesn't have one, isn't my problem. Let alone if they are sensitive to it. It's the military, sensitivity was left on the front door step, the second you left for basic. I was on a carrier and deployed during OEF/OIF in which we provided air support for both. Due to requirements we weren't awarded either campaign badge. Oh well, I don't have a combat patch, ribbon or medal saying I was shot at, doesn't make me less than them. We rescued the Iranian Fishermen in 2010, we dealt with Iran's BS for several days afterwards. We were harrassed by Iran during every strait crossing. I lost sleep as a Fire Controlman, because I worked nights, but that's part of the job. If they want it, go earn it.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jan 1 at 2018 6:50 PM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 18:50:09 -0500

What the hell is this all about? Now the military has to cater to a bunch of candy asses because they feel they should have right to wear a combat patch they never earned? Sounds a bit like stolen valor before they got the valor. The military is not built on the pricipal that all get a trophy for participation. It's built on merit, duty, and honor. Taking away from those men and women who have made the sacrifice and earned the right to wear a combat patch and/or ribbons to prevent hurtbutt feelings for those who haven't made the connect is total BS. It dishonors sacrifices made. If the candies can't handle it then put their whiny asses out.

Response by SFC Fred Youngs made Jan 1 at 2018 7:23 PM

SFC Fred Youngs — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:23:59 -0500

I Enlisted in 1974 and damned near everyone had Combat Patch except us Newbies. Did it bother me hell No. I Retired in 1998 and because of where is was Stationed and Position I missed going to Granada, Panama, Desert Storm. So I never wore a Patch on my Right Sleeve. Yes, but only because I did not want anyone thinking this guy hid out when just the other way I was Constantly going to my Superiors and for reason on reason or another I was told No you are needed right here. Did I cry or whine about it. No I saluted said yes Sir and went about my Job. Then in 2006 I was Ordered to Active Duty I still do not have a Combat Patch (Badge) Does it bother me sometimes do I whine about it No. What in the Hell is our Army coming to Sergeants need to Man-Up and start control of our Troops and quit this BS. Sensitivity be Damned suck it up March on.

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Jan 1 at 2018 10:02 PM

MAJ Alan Montgomery — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:02:16 -0500

Since when is being in the military about accommodation. If having patches, awards, decorations is what drives you you're no PATRIOT, just another want to be

Response by CSM Joseph Antone made Jan 2 at 2018 12:02 AM

CSM Joseph Antone — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 00:02:29 -0500

No, the patch should stay. I was never deployed to a combat theater, and I never felt any less as a soldier. My goal was to stay read at all times to deploy, and I did until I had to retired.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2018 2:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 14:11:19 -0500

The fact that this is even an issue is absolutely asinine. You feel left out? Volunteer for a MOB. You don't want to deploy? No patch for you. It's the Army, a force specifically made to defend our country by battling those that would attempt to steal from us, whether figuratively, emotionally, or literally. It's what we do. If your only concern is feeling 'left out' because you don't have the same thing that someone else has (because they actually DID something for it) then you should probably look at yourself and realize just how selfish you are.

The Army isn't a hand-out.

The grass might actually be greener, but that's because of the blood and tears shed by those who crossed the fence to get there.

Response by SGT Donald G Smith made Jan 2 at 2018 4:28 PM

SGT Donald G Smith — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:28:04 -0500

I did not serve in combat, but those who did deserve to wear their combat patches they earned that right. What in the world has happened to the Army? When I was in we were not issued feelings! If and when these E1 & E2's serve in combat they can then wear their patches. Although I pray they never have to.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Jan 2 at 2018 4:59 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:59:39 -0500

Namby Pamby whiners and snot nosed short timers must have looked up from their coloring books to ask this question? What is wrong with a little envy now and then? Why not tell these insecure newbies they will get their opportunity to earn their Combat Patches in their carrers later on.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2018 7:20 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 19:20:14 -0500

Should we remove all medals from the uniform to be sensitive to those who do not have any or just a few? I don't have a combat patch. I respect those who do. No matter if they came under fire or just served in a theater. The combat patch, like medals earned tell a little bit about the soldier wearing them.

Response by SSG Charlie Davis made Jan 2 at 2018 7:57 PM

SSG Charlie Davis — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 19:57:56 -0500

What is this, Little kids soccer where everyone gets a trophy so no one has their feelings hurt - everybody wins? Don't tell me this is the way they're heading? I'd sure like to know who the 2% was on this matter. . . .

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2018 11:37 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:37:58 -0500

Maybe we should just get rid of all rank and awards and patches as well? I sure do have hurt feelings that I have Stripes instead of Stars on my chest, but whatever, I'll just self-identify as a 4* General from now on.

Response by MSgt George M. made Jan 3 at 2018 12:46 PM

MSgt George M. — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 12:46:13 -0500

https://www.thebalance.com/army-combat-patch-rules-when-and-how-to-wear-the-patch-3344579

Rule Changes Regarding Army Combat Patches

Most Army soldiers who have served in combat operations can wear a combat patch to signify their service.

Response by MSG Micheal P Floyd Jr made Jan 3 at 2018 1:53 PM

MSG Micheal P Floyd Jr — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:53:24 -0500

.... no, the Unit Patch is just that "The Unit Patch". All Insignias and Patches are earned, just as Rank is earned. Now if policy dictates that combat patches be removed, well, an Order is an Order, no matter how wrong it may be. Rank acquired in combat shouldn't be worn, because others didn't acquire said Rank in combat - unless "Stupid is, what Stupid does..." So in order to keep others from feeling bad about not having what others have earned, one should reassign each to noncombat Units in order to NOT hurt their delicate feelings.

Response by SFC Eric Behm made Jan 4 at 2018 5:46 PM

SFC Eric Behm — Thu, 04 Jan 2018 17:46:47 -0500

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2018 12:50 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:50:38 -0500

This isn’t a participation badge. Those oldiers eraned those badges and some may have given the ultimate sacrifice. The badges serve as a sense of pride, and should serve as a goal to attain rather than a sense of feeling left out. If your young people can’t deal with someone wearing a badge they rightfully earned, how are they going to deal with combat when the time comes? Don’t remove the standard. Set it higher.

Response by SSG Nathan Blair made Jan 6 at 2018 2:39 AM

SSG Nathan Blair — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 02:39:12 -0500

Hahaha, hell no.

Response by SPC Woody Bullard made Jan 6 at 2018 5:42 PM

SPC Woody Bullard — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:42:05 -0500

I know this is not the U.S. Army I served in (1968-1971) but to order soldiers that have deployed
and earned their combat patch to remove them so they don't hurt another soldier's feelings is nuts.
When did the Army become concerned with a new soldier's feelings ? A soldier earns the right to
wear those combat patches and should not have to remove them because some new PVT that has
never deployed arrives and he/she might feel left out or have hurt feelings. "LET THEM EARN IT".

Response by PO3 Grant Skiles made Jan 7 at 2018 6:05 AM

PO3 Grant Skiles — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 06:05:57 -0500

The patches are EARNED. A service member should never have to take off anything that they have earned to make someone else feel better. When those individuals earn their own patches by being deployed. Then they can also wear them with pride. Members ate away from family and friends between 9-12 months , sometimes longer. This causes great hardships with family, marriages, financial and relationships with both spouses and children due to you not being there. If they are really feeling left out then they can always go to command a volunteer to go early. There are plenty of service members who would love to come home early. We give kids today rewards for everything and participation awards. They can receive this participation patch when they aren it. Live it, earn it then you will RESPECT it.

Response by SGT Randy Bordner made Jan 7 at 2018 1:45 PM

SGT Randy Bordner — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:45:45 -0500

You gotta be kidding! This is just another example of "trophy children". I deal with this kind every day in the structural engineering firm I own. They want a medal if they show up to work.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jan 7 at 2018 2:44 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:44:17 -0500

nope....

Response by Navarro Leandro made Jan 7 at 2018 4:26 PM

Navarro Leandro — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:26:54 -0500

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Jan 7 at 2018 5:42 PM

SPC Casey Ashfield — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 17:42:55 -0500

My Battalion was detached from our organic Brigade for my OEF tour. When we went to demob we were ordered not to wear our CIBs around the rest of the Brigade, so we wouldn't "offend" them. Not being able to wear recognized awards because of the feelings of others was part of the winding down road to my ETS.

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Jan 7 at 2018 5:47 PM

SPC Travis Grizzard — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 17:47:48 -0500

If we do that, we should remove anything which might make others feel left out, medals, ribbons, badges, rank insignia, etc.

Response by PO1 Scott Fitzpatrick made Jan 7 at 2018 8:25 PM

PO1 Scott Fitzpatrick — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 20:25:23 -0500

Is this a real question???

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 7 at 2018 9:51 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 21:51:10 -0500

Are you serious? Not only no, but hell no. MSG Wally Carmichael

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2018 12:13 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 00:13:15 -0500

The SM who deployed earned those patches and are entitled to wear their combat patch. There are various reasons why some SM do not have a combat; 1) just completed AIT, 2) Cannot be deployed OCONUS related to a communicable disease, EFMP issue, etc. What is this Army coming to.

Response by LTC Stephen Conway made Jan 8 at 2018 11:36 PM

LTC Stephen Conway — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 23:36:57 -0500

This sounds like Canada where they can't give a zero to students who don't do their homework and where everybody gets a trophy not the ones that do the best.....PFC Manning crybaby types that got by basic training by scared Cadre during the Surge of a decade ago instead of being sent home with an Honorable Discharge as medically/ emotionally unfit to serve LOL.

Response by Lt Col Robert Canfield made Jan 11 at 2018 7:51 PM

Lt Col Robert Canfield — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:51:00 -0500

I think this RAF skit by Armstrong and Miller pretty much answers that question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGp4DvFEgh8

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Response by MSG Mike Klatt made Jan 11 at 2018 10:23 PM

MSG Mike Klatt — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:23:52 -0500

This politically correct bullshit has no place in the military. They would have to had to rip mine off. These buttercups don't belong if there feelings are hurt. I'll give them a safe place if they want it. He He He He.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 11 at 2018 11:14 PM

COL Charles Williams — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:14:50 -0500

Never

Response by SGT Chester Beedle made Jan 11 at 2018 11:22 PM

SGT Chester Beedle — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:22:01 -0500

No.

Response by Maj John D Benedict made Jan 12 at 2018 11:48 PM

Maj John D Benedict — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:48:43 -0500

Seriously? This reminds me of when I returned from my Iraq tour, with a BSM. The first awards dinner I attended with my mess dress on, and that little bitty ribbon on there, it was obvious a lot of folks in the room had winky envy. Give me a break. If you are so butt hurt about this, you may need to look for another line of work where everybody gets a "participation trophy."

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Jan 14 at 2018 12:46 PM

SGM Harvey Boone — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 12:46:51 -0500

No they are earned in most cases others don't deserve them they have to have been there to get them Or they are stolen valor and Man there is a lot of that Today.

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Jan 14 at 2018 12:52 PM

SGM Harvey Boone — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 12:52:43 -0500

There are a lot of patches being worn out there some incorrectly some unearned that goes for rank as well I personally know of a MSG that is assigned to the 580 Divison at FT Riley KS that should be busted to private and dd out of the service because he is a nothing but kissed his way to the top on the lives of his men.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Jan 15 at 2018 2:01 PM

SFC Ken Heise — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:01:29 -0500

Hell no!! I EARNED mine.

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Jan 15 at 2018 2:11 PM

PO3 J.W. Nelson — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:11:23 -0500

Absolutely not !!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2018 2:18 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:18:30 -0500

While at it; let’s remove rank, position/ title, and all awards, at least all rank, positions and awards I don’t have because seeing anything I don’t have or have to aspire to might cause a micro-aggression. :/

Response by SPC TerryandShelia Alcon made Jan 16 at 2018 12:52 PM

SPC TerryandShelia Alcon — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:52:04 -0500

If want one go earn it. Nothing is free quit crying!!

Response by SPC Edward Banning made Jan 16 at 2018 5:43 PM

SPC Edward Banning — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:43:28 -0500

Why the hell would that even be a question? If you arent a combat vet your not a combat vet. If you served your time honorably thats all that matters.

Response by SFC James Harmeyer made Jan 16 at 2018 6:33 PM

SFC James Harmeyer — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:33:29 -0500

When I enlisted in 1981 I Appreciated the knowledge and education that the Combat Patch Wearing Vietnam Veterans Shared with us young dumbass soldiers..Watch and learn.. What is so hard about that

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2018 3:45 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 15:45:35 -0500

Not a chance. What kind of sensitive shitbirds are they churning out these days? I was in the Marines and and currently serve in the Air National Guard. Both very proudly. Guess what you don't have one because guess what? You haven't done jack
. I would not even desire to wear one if I had not earned it and even refuse to wear decorations I was awarded legitimately but mistakenly. I won't put them on a resume or take any credit for it. As far as being sensitive to their feelings?!? Get the hell out of my sight and use your time and energy to train so if and when you get into a situation where you earn your combat patch, you can function and better your chances to come home and wear what you have then earned.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2018 4:01 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:01:42 -0500

Get rid of tabs and qualification badges while you're at it. I don't have them, and it hurts my feelings when I see others wearing them.

Response by CPO Nate S. made Jan 19 at 2018 12:39 AM

CPO Nate S. — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 00:39:05 -0500

Damn! These people need a life. They want to be recognized but not do the work to earn same. TTSTKBTMISS!!! Get over your selves. MSG for them to get included, perhaps they need to ask questions and seek the wisdom of the veterans. Keep the patches on. They need to engage and learn NOT WHINE!!!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2018 7:31 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 07:31:53 -0500

Look, I've been on both sides. I was sent to the School House as an Instructor 2 weeks after 9-11, then 4 years later had a former Commander by-name-request me and get my orders to a deploying unit changed to a 3 year stint with him in Korea. When "Friends" started treating me differently because I didn't have a patch (as if it were my fault) and AIP became known as "Avoid Iraq Pay", I was fortunate to have a buddy in assignments who helped me get to a deploying unit. My son, who also became an AH-64 Pilot, ran into the same thing when he got to his first unit just as they were set to return from a deployment. He was the only Soldier without a patch in the unit and was ostracized by his peers. That is not professional conduct. I realize there are people who have dodged combat, but they are in the minority, most that haven't been deployed dream of proving themselves in the crucible of combat but have little control of their destiny - my son couldn't wait to deploy, but even some I considered comrades and "Friend" did nothing to establish a more professional culture in that Unit. During Desert Storm, my first Unit was top heavy with Vietnam Vets but was never mobilized. With all of that being said, I looked up to the Vietnam Vets in my first Unit and believe the wear of a combat patch has a place in our profession. However, the respect should be a two way street. If we want the respect of having "been there and done that" we need to show those who have not yet had the opportunity - and who are not dodging that opportunity - the respect they deserve and make them feel like a valuable part of the team, because they are. Everyone who signs that blank check to a grateful Nation by truly committing to serve is a Brother and a Sister of mine.

Response by SPC Gregory Clark made Jan 19 at 2018 1:14 PM

SPC Gregory Clark — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:14:20 -0500

This should not be a question that needs to come up at all. When I came into the Army back in 2004 and noticed a lot of combat patches around me from those that deployed, I seen it as a direction of who to speak with on questions I have. I knew what it meant to have a combat patch, and was in no rush to receive one, nor be similar to everyone else around me. Most of the new recruits that I have seen before I got out a few years ago always wanted to "prove" their patriotism by wanting to deploy. From friends that I have that are still in, most of them now have a sense of entitlement with their only accomplishment being making it out of basic. It's getting sadder by the day what a lot of my battles are going through with the babying that is being passed along our military

Response by SGM Raymond Ebbets made Jan 19 at 2018 8:53 PM

SGM Raymond Ebbets — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:53:29 -0500

Then we might as well remove everything, an E1 has just the NDSM. So I guess that’s all we should wear. Duh

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 11:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 23:05:03 -0500

We should not even ponder this ridiculous question!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2018 12:35 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:35:50 -0500

I would be interested to know if the idiot who decided this policy actually had a combat patch themselves. Maybe it had less to do with new soldiers than it did with him/her.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jan 22 at 2018 4:44 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:44:32 -0500

If they stay around long enough... they may get one or more... geez, how hard was that ?

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2018 5:26 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:26:17 -0500

No, why because they came in the services later?

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jan 22 at 2018 5:56 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:56:33 -0500

I’m AF. I started in Reserve and had opportunity to go active. Never had a Specialist patch/badge for many years and the AF starts adding more specialist badges.. Ours for services would of been effective Jan ‘85. Well they didn’t have enough done up, so they made them retroactive so even Vets in Veteran Service orgs could get them and be noted on a DD 215.. I finally got some and one of them I proudly wear on my V.F.W. Uniform.. another I wear on my Unofficial
VSO Cover.. I get guys who ask what it’s for. I say Services. I served as a 62270
Cook/Baker Supervisor. Now it’s 3 M. All part of shortening labels. Maybe make more room on the computer..? Anyway I’m proud of what I did; providing sustenance to all that came in our facilities.. I also am a Degreed Chef..
and Restaurant Mgr. I had some patches embroidered on my Chef Jackets (chance of catching the badge on s’thing was too good and losing it in the Food. I have my services badge with my rack as shown here..

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jan 22 at 2018 6:02 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 18:02:43 -0500

Just the specialist badge embroidered, not the rack.. on my Jackets.. had received flack from other Chefs. . And there were some didn’t see anything wrong.. like wearing a miniature MSM..
Or Other miniature ribbon..

Response by SGT Michael Hocevar made Jan 24 at 2018 2:22 AM

SGT Michael Hocevar — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:22:34 -0500

Can't believe this, this has to be a joke right...I was always in AWE of the guys who had those awesome combat patches and now that I have one of my own...it's definitely NOT coming off...

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Jan 24 at 2018 4:12 AM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 04:12:26 -0500

I see some of my RP comrades bent out of shape big time. But, heck no don't remove patches to preserve feelings. Being in the line of fire and coming home alive is a BIG DEAL and an earned honor. Those who don't have them need to be conversing with those who survived to get some much needed battle front Intel. The military continues to be watered down. This is not let me see yours and I will let you see mine. This is survival of the fittest. "I want to go home alive".

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2018 2:55 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:55:19 -0500

MSG Wally Carmichael no.

Response by Sgt Jeff Rider made Jan 24 at 2018 8:07 PM

Sgt Jeff Rider — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:07:25 -0500

Hell no. When the young ones go over they will get their patches. No-one should ever hide their achievements so sensitive people (who have no place in the military) aren't hurt!

Response by SGT Steven Ransbottom made Jan 25 at 2018 2:40 AM

SGT Steven Ransbottom — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 02:40:23 -0500

Not even sure why we are discussing this, that patch I see my fellow vets where tells a story, it defines a place and time, of honor and sacrifice that that vet experienced.... leave it alone!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2018 4:24 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:24:27 -0500

......... ok. well, if your feelings get that hurt over that, you'd never make it through combat to EARN ONE in the first place. SO basically you need to return your gear, and rewind back to whatever lolipop guild you came from, because I don't want to earn mine next to that kind of spinless millennial.

Response by SGT Mike Stonick made Jan 26 at 2018 11:25 AM

SGT Mike Stonick — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:25:41 -0500

Get the fuck out of here you pansy ass fucking snow flakes... when did we start letting bitch ass liberals in the military...Fuckin left wing douche bags...11B for life

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2018 10:27 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:27:52 -0500

This is ridiculous. The patch is there to signify those who have been to combat. It allows young inexperienced soldiers to identify the experienced ones in their unit. in 07-08 2 CR tried making everyone wear only the 2CR patch on the right shoulder. That's again ridiculous. The SSI-FWTS is left up to the wearer, you can wear whatever one you've earned and even not wear one if you desire.
It's the same as units like the 82 and 101 declaring that jump or aaslt wings will be worn highest out of Group 4 badges-- uh no, again order for group 4 is wearer's preference.

This is the Army, not the State Dept. Our job is not to worry about feelings. It is to defend the nation in the most horrible way possible - killing fellow humans. We should be worry about training, and using the experience we have. Not ensuring PVT Snuffy is tucked in and has his carpet square from his cubby hole after he finishes his milk.

Response by CPO Matthew Bigelow made Jan 27 at 2018 1:27 PM

CPO Matthew Bigelow — Sat, 27 Jan 2018 13:27:44 -0500

Should I whine that I never had a c9mbat patch, too? I served 20 years in the Navy - no such thing that I'm aware of. I was on a ship (a rider, not crew) when it was doing it's Battle E and received it. The Captain authorized us riders to be able to wear the Battle E on our uniforms while attached to the ship, though I never had occasion to wear a uniform that wears ribbons.

Army scrubs whining about not being able to wear a combat patch because they while others in their unit do is just BS. Here's your straw!

Response by COL Dan O'Rourke made Jan 27 at 2018 8:24 PM

COL Dan O'Rourke — Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:24:45 -0500

They should be issued a combat patch of their choice - whichever they feel is the coolest. While we’re at it give them a couple tabs, some airborne or HALO wings, a couple combat awards and whatever else they would like. The army has had a problem for sometime that we are not a wartime army - bs policies like this make the case evident.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2018 8:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:45:04 -0500

Heck to the no! I don't have a deployment patch, but I will wear one when I EARN it. Let's get back to a culture of striving and achieving.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jan 28 at 2018 9:02 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:02:55 -0500

It they can't have a combat patch because they weren't in a combat engaged unit then give them a hankie to cry into. Maybe they could also have a pacifier to help that terrible hurt from not getting a patch. Imagine wanting a participant patch when You didn't even participate, Boo, Hoo, maybe they should grow up and try to be adults !

I wouldn't even want a patch, T shirt, hat or anything for a unit or qualification I wasn't part of, I feel its and insult to those that were there !

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2018 9:48 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:48:45 -0500

I have never deployed not earned a combat patch. I would NEVER expect something to be given to me I didn't earn. I say that these "kids" need to grow up and be mature..... life doesn't give you everything just because you were born.

Response by CPT Scott Sharon made Jan 29 at 2018 10:17 AM

CPT Scott Sharon — Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:17:22 -0500

I think that would be childish and ridiculous. It never bothered me when I was an E-1 and E-2.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Jan 30 at 2018 4:11 AM

SGT Robert Martin — Tue, 30 Jan 2018 04:11:24 -0500

Great idea better yet lets get rid of all tabs, wings etc. might as well stop displaying rank too. God knows not everyone can get through airborne, ranger, or even OCS, so why should we make those soldiers feel bad. Maybe to inspire them, or to show them what’s possible with the proper motivation. Hell the military should just get rid of uniforms outright wouldn’t want those poor civilians to feel bad would we.

Response by SGT Ken Arrington made Feb 2 at 2018 7:10 PM

SGT Ken Arrington — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:10:26 -0500

What is wrong with you people? Man up for Christ sake.you earn it you wear it.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2018 9:21 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:21:20 -0500

How silly!

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Feb 4 at 2018 11:14 AM

SGT Frank Pritchett — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 11:14:20 -0500

Will removing them makes you out of uniform for those that don't have them time will come when they will earn it and they too can be proud of their service.

Response by SPC Mike Lake made Feb 4 at 2018 5:37 PM

SPC Mike Lake — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:37:33 -0500

Heck no when I was a young private I envied those who had them and couldn't wait to get one so heck no what are we reaching our soldiers when we do this it's like hey one gets a participation trophy or nobody gets one...smh

Response by SPC Brandon Bird made Feb 4 at 2018 6:04 PM

SPC Brandon Bird — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:04:44 -0500

Silly discussion. Being combat arms myself without a combat patch I myself would never ask to take away what was earned by others. Since when does E1 and E2 have anything worth saying or hearing? You want one? Good for you, go get it and shut up till the mean time.

Response by SSG David Thompson made Feb 4 at 2018 9:37 PM

SSG David Thompson — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:37:09 -0500

I served three years Regular Army and 18 years National Guard. Never saw combat. Don’t have what I didn’t earn. So what? I also don’t have my grandfather’s “shell shock” (PTSD) or my other grandfather’s disability (WWI). My father was more fortunate. (WWII) My son was too. (Afghanistan and Iraq. Retired E7.) There have been times like the 1940’s when high school boys knew that after graduation they would be going off to war. Now what do we have? “Hey, why don’t we get a cool patch?” Give me a break! Is that what we’re stuck with to try and make into warriors to guard and defend our country?

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Feb 4 at 2018 9:52 PM

CAPT Hiram Patterson — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 21:52:06 -0500

Hell no! The little snowflakes need to buck up.

Response by SSgt Dennis Brown made Feb 5 at 2018 12:57 AM

SSgt Dennis Brown — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 00:57:38 -0500

That's part of the pussy generation of you've got one so I SHOULD have one also... But young people, it DOESN'T work that way... You want it, you've got to get out and earn it...

Response by CPO Mark Robinson made Feb 5 at 2018 7:43 PM

CPO Mark Robinson — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:43:17 -0500

In the early 80s the navy brought back the old tradition of having a patch to identify the ship that you were stationed on. It was called a rocker and went on at the top of the right sleeve. Example would be: "USS Enterprise", real simple and again it was a ship and nothing more. If you left the ship and went to shore duty then off went the rocker. As a young sailor I wore it with pride. Well you can guess what happened next. Those non seagoing people (not really sailors) got all jealous and said what about me? So every command got a rocker and from there on it wasn't the same anymore.

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Feb 6 at 2018 4:33 PM

CPO Lou Oliver — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:33:18 -0500

So, other than the national defense medal, which all have, does the order direct you to not display medals for valor? Yes, an order as described sounds that bad. I would believe that an order such as that could only be from an ROTC officer at a SJW school.

Response by Sgt R Scott made Feb 6 at 2018 10:43 PM

Sgt R Scott — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 22:43:28 -0500

Give those young whipper snappers something to look up to, get out there and earn your own. That’s the new generation for you today, everyone gotta have a freakin trophy, bunch of candyasses!
Yeah I’m a Combat Marine and damn proud of if!

Response by SGT David Whitley made Feb 6 at 2018 11:37 PM

SGT David Whitley — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:37:40 -0500

It really depends on the data. If it is in fact, only a "reasonably large" number of new E1s and E2s that have reported inappropriate discrimination due to the fact that they don't have them, then I say it's time to take the bully stick away from the big kids who don't deserve to wear them. BUT, if a large portion of the complaints come from leaders who might feel insecure that their subordinates have them and they don't, then I say no. Higher echelons of leadership should send a memo to leadership outlining how they can best use their combat patch wearing resources to build a better team. Given the two previous examples, I would accept whatever decision comes down the Chain, without resentment. For your reference, I have "earned" a combat patch. Whatever that means.

Response by Sgt Nathan Wilson made Feb 7 at 2018 2:08 PM

Sgt Nathan Wilson — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:08:09 -0500

You have to be kidding! Grows some balls "NO SNOWFLAKES Wanted"! Kick the wimps out!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2018 9:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:46:23 -0500

How about fuck no!? I earned my patches. I have the scars to prove it. You would have to rip my arm off to remove MY patch. Even my BDE commander couldnt order me to wear the current deployment patch while downrange last time. I have few choices in the Army. Regulations allow ME the choice to wear one if I earned it. Fuck the cry baby bitches. They will get theirs when they get theirs. I had to wait to deploy to get mine.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2018 5:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 05:51:03 -0500

No one should wear patches in sector or training except IR unit and Sop id patches. Unit and combat patches are Target Identifiers which can be used to track movements of OPFOR the same as bumper numbers on vehicles.

Response by Cindy Judd made Feb 8 at 2018 6:54 AM

Cindy Judd — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 06:54:35 -0500

ABSOLUTELY.........then we can give every team that hasn't won a Super Bowl a Lombardi trophy, then for everyone that doesn't have a million dollars, we'll give them a million, then we'll give.....give, give, give............if you want one, go EARN ONE....these patches are NOT participation trophys. If you joined the military only for the cool uniforms and to get patches, get out now!!! Go be a Girl Scout Leader! I hear they give patches for finding cool rocks!!!!!!!!! And, as an added bonus, you get cookies!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Feb 9 at 2018 6:05 PM

MSG Charles Turner — Fri, 09 Feb 2018 18:05:57 -0500

NO! Should we do away with Rank because it makes some jealous (and / or afraid)? HELL NO!! MAN UP (that goes for MEN and WOMEN.. if you were a uniform of a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, or Airman).. Military folks have NO ROOM FOR Babies that GET HURT FEELINGS (or NEED A SAFE PLACE-----BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE IN COMBAT!!!)

Response by LTC Joseph George made Feb 10 at 2018 4:27 PM

LTC Joseph George — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 16:27:17 -0500

Why the hell are you worried about the sensitivity of someone who has not served in a combat zone? Those snowflakes and other soldiers who have hidden in units to avoid a deployment have no honor or integrity. I will not give up my combat patches to ease an idiots sensitive feelings. This comes in due to the fact that there is no discipline in BCT, training, and no respect for those who placed their lives on the line. So MSG Wally Carmichael if this offends you you are not a good leader. If it offends those ignorant E1's and E2's then so be it, they need attitude adjustments and wall to wall counseling. If you are only bringing this up as the issue was at Ft. Riley if I recall what my daughter told me then the shitty leaders and leadership there should be drummed out of the service. The Army is not a democratic organization , it is dictatorial. As a leader and an officer I do not care about someones hurt feelings because they never did anything to earn it. There is no room in the Army for liberalism, it is counter to the good order.

Response by SSG Bill Ploof made Feb 11 at 2018 12:37 PM

SSG Bill Ploof — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:37:26 -0500

I spent 30 years in the National Guard. I never went to combat but the year after I retired my unit got activated. Some did not come home from the Gulf. I had guys in my unit that had seen combat. It made me proud to serve with them. I learned from them. I would never want them to remove anything that that showed they had seen combat. I respected them.

Response by SFC James Himes made Feb 11 at 2018 2:17 PM

SFC James Himes — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:17:50 -0500

Really? More inclusiveness and concern over others sensitivity..... It's the freaking military. Should I worry cause I earned the expert marksman badge and others couldn't. Get over it. Suck it up and mover forward. Do the job and eventually you will get recognized for YOUR achievements and not ride on the coat-tails of others achievements.

Response by SSG Michael Williams made Feb 12 at 2018 6:34 PM

SSG Michael Williams — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:34:10 -0500

Response by SSG Michael Williams made Feb 12 at 2018 6:36 PM

SSG Michael Williams — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:36:23 -0500

Hell no! I have 6 of them, every one earned! Those new "soldiers" will get their turn eventually to get one...providing they don't Wuss-Out because it's "dangerous" and don't want to deploy and try to get themselves kicked out.

What's that BCT malfunction?!?!

What's next, they can't take shots before deployments because it hurts...?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 9:57 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:57:01 -0500

Sure. While we're at it let's remove ribbons, awards, ranks, heck. Let's remove pay grades. Don't want some getting their feelings hurt that someone else earned something they haven't yet.

Response by SPC Rod Smith made Feb 13 at 2018 10:32 AM

SPC Rod Smith — Tue, 13 Feb 2018 10:32:22 -0500

Hell No

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Feb 15 at 2018 10:35 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:35:25 -0500

The same logic would dictate that NCOs and officers should remove their rank insignia because it reminds the junior enlisteds of their inferior states. In the military in general and the Army in particular there are a lot of things we get to wear to show who we are and what we have done. The combat patches inspire the young ones to want to get their own someday and bring honor to the soldiers who have earned them.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 10:20 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:20:05 -0500

Absolutely not. I'm a junior officer who hasn't deployed yet. No right shoulder patch. A lot of people under my command? Have right shoulder patches. They know what is going on, and the'yre valuble assets. They earned the right to wear that patch. Use them to your advantage. I'm sure I'll get my chance, as will those E-1s and 2s. You can't get your feelings hurt in this profession, if you do, you're in the wrong field.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 10:41 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:41:26 -0500

No, I earned that just like I earned an EIB, EFMB, Air Assault Badge ...... should I not wear them b/c someone else didn't.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Feb 16 at 2018 6:34 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:34:05 -0500

We could let them wear civvies so they won't feel offended

Response by SMSgt Roy Dowdy made Feb 19 at 2018 1:00 PM

SMSgt Roy Dowdy — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:00:33 -0500

This falls under "Everyone gets a trophy!"

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2018 1:03 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:03:09 -0500

Absolutely not, we don’t have combat patches in the navy but instead we have warfare devices (pins worn on our chest like jump wings for army) and warfare devices for us signify what type of duty that sailor has experienced. When junior enlisted look at our devices they don’t get butt hurt like junior enlisted army apparently does, they think “damn I want that! What do I have to do to get that!” Unbelievable that the army is possibly softer than the navy smh.

Response by Sgt Ronald Harris made Feb 22 at 2018 6:30 PM

Sgt Ronald Harris — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:30:22 -0500

These snowflake kids are a real problem. Prior to them, we had the "no-fault" generation. Most of them were never taught respect, responsibility, dedication, I could list a few others.They weren't taught to respect their own property; much less others, weren't taught to be responsible or accept a responsibility, for the most part, their biggest accomplishment is a well developed thumb control(for texting), and/or good joystick munipulation. For the most part, they were never taught they had to "earn" their way, "earn" respect, or "build" their character!

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Feb 25 at 2018 10:00 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 10:00:55 -0500

If the New Meat in the unit has a problem with the Vet's Wearing what they earned then they need to apply for early out through section 8 being a snowflake.

Response by Cpl Billy Ashworth made Feb 25 at 2018 7:28 PM

Cpl Billy Ashworth — Sun, 25 Feb 2018 19:28:21 -0500

No they earned them I am not a combat Veteran when I was in the Marine Corps I was Station with World War 2 and Korean War Veterans and I was proud to serve with them in fact my Senior Drill Instructor at PARRIS Island was a Korean War Veteran

Response by CPL Luis Whetstine made Feb 26 at 2018 1:38 AM

CPL Luis Whetstine — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 01:38:28 -0500

By this logic, the combat medic would not be able to wear the combat part, the combat infantryman would not be able to wear the combat part, none of the medals would be able to be worn or hell, We wouldn’t be able to wear the drill seargent tab, the air assault tab, the airborne tab respectfully...I could go further. Look, I understand all this sensitivity crap, but come on, really. I’m done.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Mar 2 at 2018 7:21 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 19:21:04 -0500

The soldiers that earned those patches are listed on their DD-214, file, should be able to wear ever patch earned that is legal. That can also notated by Regulation by your UIC at your Battery, Battalion or Higher chain.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Mar 5 at 2018 5:03 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:03:02 -0500

Are for real? Has the Army and it’s leaders become so politically correct that they want to do away with combat patches so no ones feeling get hurt?

Response by CW3 Ed Vincent made Mar 11 at 2018 2:39 PM

CW3 Ed Vincent — Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:39:01 -0400

Not no but Hell No. We earned those combat patches through blood sweat and tears. If we have soldiers complaining because they dot have one, get out and join those pansy ass college kids.

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Mar 11 at 2018 5:56 PM

MSG Louis Alexander — Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:56:43 -0400

Welcome to the new Army of the sensitive elite..

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Mar 12 at 2018 3:28 PM

LTC Orlando Illi — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 15:28:22 -0400

Is this a serious question? The Privates feels left out? Uh Huh. Well ....

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Mar 12 at 2018 10:46 PM

PO2 Peter Klein — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:46:15 -0400

Come on people, grew a spine!

Response by SPC Bryan Richardson made Mar 14 at 2018 9:54 AM

SPC Bryan Richardson — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:54:45 -0400

Things have sure changed since I left the military. Sensitivity? Suck it up butter cup. If you didn't go you don't get a combat patch. Honestly also people are not lucky nor happy who went to combat. Maybe lucky they made it out of there with out loosing a limb or worse. They are experienced and deserve to wear it.

Response by SGT Nathan G. made Mar 14 at 2018 11:01 AM

SGT Nathan G. — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:01:41 -0400

You'll get one when you deploy, so they'll have to be patient and wait for it. Removing them just because someone feels left out is ridiculous. People that have them earned them, so they have the right to wear it regardless of who feels left out.

Response by SGT Fatih Senel made Mar 21 at 2018 12:14 AM

SGT Fatih Senel — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:14:42 -0400

you get a combat patch, YOU get a combat patch, YOU get a combat patch, EVERYONE AGETS A COMBAT PATCH!!!!!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 21 at 2018 11:40 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:40:36 -0400

Still bothers me that someone would even ask this

Response by TSgt Michael Williamson made Mar 21 at 2018 1:08 PM

TSgt Michael Williamson — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:08:20 -0400

Nothing to do with feelings. Only the Army feels a need to wank about it. Everyone else just wears their uniform and is aware of what they did. If you need a special patch to remind people, you're a snowflake.

Response by PFC Jim Watson made Mar 21 at 2018 3:10 PM

PFC Jim Watson — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:10:31 -0400

The because I'm here I should get a trophy for participating attitude is a detriment to the attitude of today.

Response by CPL Dale Ray made Mar 21 at 2018 11:16 PM

CPL Dale Ray — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 23:16:43 -0400

Vietnam Era Vet... Drafted '72 served in US & Germany... This is probably the Dumbest question I have ever heard during or since I was in the Army! I HOPE the Army hasn't sunk so low as to accommodate "the Feelings" of E1 & E2s... LET THEM "LEARN & EARN" A LITTLE RESPECT! "HUAH!"

Response by SGT Jeremy Sedeño made Mar 22 at 2018 9:35 AM

SGT Jeremy Sedeño — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:35:46 -0400

Jesus Christ is this what Gods Army has turned into. you fucking kidding me! You earn it, and you wear it with pride. If you have vaginitis go to the TMC and get a bandaid, 800mg Motrin and water!

Response by SFC Frank Quiroz made Mar 22 at 2018 10:58 AM

SFC Frank Quiroz — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:58:30 -0400

Sack up Burch you may have joined, I congratulate you for that but you haven't earned them yet!!! Bide your time, you'll have your chance!!!

Response by CW3 Michael Shea made Mar 22 at 2018 1:18 PM

CW3 Michael Shea — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:18:08 -0400

When my son made the freshman baseball team he earned his school jacket. As he advanced through to his senior year he acquire several awards that were placed on that jacket. His...he earned it, no one else. The same applies with our military uniform. My uniform is a history of my 21 years in the Army. I am proud of my service.

Response by CW3 Michael Shea made Mar 22 at 2018 1:20 PM

CW3 Michael Shea — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:20:06 -0400

My uniform is a history of my service, the good, the bad and the 21 years. How else do we tell our story to the public.

Response by SFC Michael Bunch made Mar 22 at 2018 7:33 PM

SFC Michael Bunch — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:33:39 -0400

This issue should be a non-starter. Are you kidding me.. This is the same group that thought the stress card was a great idea initial entry training.

Response by SFC Michael Bunch made Mar 22 at 2018 7:36 PM

SFC Michael Bunch — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:36:15 -0400

Come to think of it the only time the patches should not be worn is when attending particular courses that have all attendees in sterile uniforms, or on a particular mission.

What happened since I retired the services went soft??

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made Mar 23 at 2018 3:37 PM

SGT Jim Humphrey — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:37:35 -0400

No, Hell NO, That is earned as is most or your skills in the military. Even this old VN vet wears his on Veterans Day.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2018 5:32 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:32:40 -0400

Ha!

Response by SGT Michael Schmiesing made Mar 24 at 2018 9:07 PM

SGT Michael Schmiesing — Sat, 24 Mar 2018 21:07:45 -0400

So what if pvt stuprd is feeling left out. I earned that patch by being in real combat. I have had bombs dropped on me, MLRS shooting over my head. Cluster bombs are very real. So I was in the military for years before pvt stupid came along. Just like me after 20 others received an award for a 30 day exorcize, I got a piece of paper that said I was a Hero of my town. Because I am the one who saved a mans life. I couldn't understand how a driver gets an ARCOM but I get a piece of paper.

Response by SGT Michael Schmiesing made Mar 24 at 2018 9:11 PM

SGT Michael Schmiesing — Sat, 24 Mar 2018 21:11:46 -0400

In the Armored way Fuck no. Let dumbass earn his own patch so he can be proud of his own someday.

Response by SFC Matthew Nicholls made Mar 25 at 2018 3:37 PM

SFC Matthew Nicholls — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:37:23 -0400

Unequivocally NO! The US Army is an Offensive organization whose purpose is to fight and win Americas wars. If you are offended by that, get the f**k out of my Army. If you in it to collect patches, then do the things it takes to EARN IT. This is not the Boy Scouts. If you avoid combat tours, then not combat patch (SSI-FWTS). Newbies in theater will earn theirs IN TIME. In over 27 years of service, I have never seen anyone die from hurt feelings. I have seen death from direct and indirect fire, MVA, and stupidity. Any Joe approaching you with such a request (regardless of rank or position) should be directed to GFYS.

Response by PO1 Paul Guevara made Mar 26 at 2018 12:39 AM

PO1 Paul Guevara — Mon, 26 Mar 2018 00:39:47 -0400

That doesn't sound right. Are you supposed to remove your medals because others don't have them as well?

Response by CPL Bo Porter made Mar 29 at 2018 8:32 PM

CPL Bo Porter — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:32:42 -0400

WTF. The military is not a social experiment, a day care, or a frickin safe space. Put your big boy BDUs on and concentrate on your MOS objectives. That is all.

Response by CPT Linzie Brim made Mar 30 at 2018 12:42 AM

CPT Linzie Brim — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:42:05 -0400

Yes wear the patch with pride. The soldier earned it. My last years in the Army were in a command. I was surprised at how many colonels did not have a combat patch. I had a choice of three. If you want one earn it! Plenty of opportunity.

Response by SPC Josh McCoy made Mar 30 at 2018 12:56 AM

SPC Josh McCoy — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:56:02 -0400

The military is breeding too many self entitled members. They need to crack down on this problem very quickly. EARN EVERY PART OF YOUR UNIFORM!!!!!!!! EARN IT!!!!!!

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Mar 30 at 2018 12:35 PM

SCPO Larry Knight Sr. — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:35:00 -0400

Absolutely 100% NOT !! That would be totally ludicrous just because he/she hasn't earned theirs. Once you deploy into a particular theater,you'll most assuredly earn something. So all those desk jockeys out ther get off your ass, and get involved with that which we're trained to do ! Stand watch over those who sleep at night, and dispose of the sorry piece of shit who intends on mass casualties on our turf ! If you're main focus is on how many patches/ribbons and medals you can put on a uniform, then you should have joined the boy/girl scouts. Many patches, ribbons and medals are and were earned in the (Valley) ! So let's leave it at that juncture!

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Apr 1 at 2018 9:42 PM

CW3 Dan Mackey — Sun, 01 Apr 2018 21:42:20 -0400

What next no jump wings?

Response by SGT Lee Jamison made Apr 1 at 2018 10:56 PM

SGT Lee Jamison — Sun, 01 Apr 2018 22:56:54 -0400

Seriously? Hell no! You have one because you earned it. If people are going to get butt hurt because you have one and they don’t then they need to go and earn one. I spent almost 10 years in, missed out on Iraq and Afghanistan because of a botched surgery in BCT, ended up in Kuwait in 15-16 for which i did not receive a patch and volunteered for my current deployment to northern Iraq before I ever got one. I haven’t earned one until now but that doesn’t mean those who had should take theirs off. Society these days is soft and it’s making its way into our ranks. Participation trophies and babying your kids until they’re 30 need to stop, or at least keep it out of our military. You have what you earn in this profession, nothing is handed to you or taken from another soldier to satisfy your feelings.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 1:22 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 01:22:04 -0400

I guess that is why the Air Force doesn’t wear them.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2018 5:25 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:25:21 -0400

Why would you take that from the Soldiers that have sacrifice being away from their love one just to accommodate the new soldiers. What's next, all of the Cadre have to remove any identifying patches, badges, and symbol of the accomplishments.

Response by SPC Scott Barnett made Apr 6 at 2018 9:44 PM

SPC Scott Barnett — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 21:44:20 -0400

WTH!? If they want a combat patch go earn it!!! FNGs

Response by Cpl Antonio Martinez made Apr 7 at 2018 2:58 PM

Cpl Antonio Martinez — Sat, 07 Apr 2018 14:58:33 -0400

I have literally seen it all now! You mean the military has been infiltrated by snowflakes?!? You mean our ranks are full of antifa fucks?!?!? What in the hell did I just read?!?!? These punks are offended and their feelings are hurt because they dont have combat patch??? What in the name of all that is holy is going on??? they feel left out because they dont have a combat patch??? Lord help us all

Response by SGT Ken Guidry made Apr 8 at 2018 10:38 AM

SGT Ken Guidry — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:38:52 -0400

I would think the opposite, that them seeing Soldiers with combat patches would inspire them! I earned mine in the Infantry during OFI and the War on Terror! They need to get their own!!!!!

Response by SGT Ken Guidry made Apr 8 at 2018 10:40 AM

SGT Ken Guidry — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:40:52 -0400

What about those that sacrificed on the battlefield! Don’t we have feelings too??

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Apr 8 at 2018 5:24 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 17:24:14 -0400

WTF!!!!! Grow the Hell up!!! This isn't a ARCOMM or a NAM or a Good Conduct ribbon. These "BOOTS" have no idea in hell what it takes to "earn" one of those. I wish I didn't have one. I'd not have the bad memories I have of some of the crap I saw. Tell them the movies are BULLSHIT. And the guy bragging about how he was John Wayne in combat is a BIG BULLSHITTER. I'm shutting up now, cause if the BOOTS are hurt because they don't have a patch on there shoulder, then I would REALLY hurt their feeling on what I want to say.

Response by PO1 Chad Alcock made Apr 9 at 2018 11:27 AM

PO1 Chad Alcock — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 11:27:42 -0400

That's the problem with the country in general, so many people are perpetually offended, have paper thin skins, or just the general entitlement attitude, that we as a society have started catering to the whiners. Used to be that you had to try to get ahead, now you just have to complain enough. Funny thing is, I bet that most of those E1s and E2s aren't even complaining, almost always the vocal minority.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2018 1:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:18:25 -0400

No....are you fucking kidding.....since when is the military sensitive to anyone's feelings ever? Let alone on a stance like this. If they are gonna fo that them don't ever give anything out to prevent sensitivity.... seriously?

Response by SSG Charles Scudder made Apr 12 at 2018 11:43 AM

SSG Charles Scudder — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:43:30 -0400

Who the hell is the 2%... must be the single patch safe space millennials who feel left out. Those patches are earns with sweat, blood, tears, family sacrifice, body and soul sacrifice.

Suck it up big boy it time to put your big boy britches on.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Apr 14 at 2018 10:08 PM

SFC Larry Jones — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 22:08:48 -0400

I am 22 years retired, have no combat patches, and am relieved that I don't. To those of you who do, damn right you earned them. BIG SALUTE.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2018 10:11 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 22:11:36 -0400

no way.....not everyone gets a trophy..should we do away with ranger tabs because I don't have one? same silly question.

Response by SSgt Jake Elwood made Apr 15 at 2018 11:48 AM

SSgt Jake Elwood — Sun, 15 Apr 2018 11:48:51 -0400

Who really cares about a patch? It doesn’t mean anything other than you just happened to be in a unit that deployed, it’s more about timing. Unless you actively went out of your way to into or out of a deploying unit your being there is meaningless. The patch has the same relevance to the courageous gung-ho first through the door guy as it does for the guy who stayed and hid out in the safety of the rear units

Response by SPC Ricky Burnside made Apr 16 at 2018 10:10 AM

SPC Ricky Burnside — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:10:01 -0400

They earned it. They wear it

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Apr 16 at 2018 10:24 AM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:24:34 -0400

So some one in Command may have a case of the BooHoos, and no participation award, or is overly sensitive to those without, whaaaa. OK guess what, they aren't protecting the egos of the FNG's. I would suspect that some senior type without the time down range doesn't want to be scrutinized and reflected upon as not having a participation award. My self, sure I was in a Hostile Fire Pay Zone, and I'm not authorized a participation award for the action either, as for being asked about it, I'd just man up and say I wasn't authorized one due to time frame and requirements. Add that when I was in service, rules may of been different, and where it made a impact was on the official DoD photo for promotion purposes. When you are away from the flagpole and scrutiny, slap it on, otherwise stay within command dictates. It is what NCO's are supposed to do no matter how galling.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2018 12:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Apr 2018 00:06:25 -0400

Combat patches are earned, with blood, sweat, & tears it also signifies you been to combat, so no they shouldn’t be removed.

Response by SFC Jose Fabre made Apr 23 at 2018 1:38 PM

SFC Jose Fabre — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 13:38:15 -0400

A wise man once told me "don't go to combat, let combat come to you!". All of those whining about not having a combat patch will get there chance to get their chance here shortly!

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Apr 26 at 2018 2:42 AM

CSM Patrick Durr — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 02:42:24 -0400

WHAT????? Should I have not worn my stripes so not to have offended the PVT's

Response by PV2 Ty Haddox made Apr 26 at 2018 10:00 AM

PV2 Ty Haddox — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:00:20 -0400

To all those who have earned them, wear them proud. We salute you.

Response by SrA Chris Mote made Apr 26 at 2018 6:48 PM

SrA Chris Mote — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:48:43 -0400

Seriously!? Quit with the over sensitive everything culture! They were earned, not everything is offensive, grow the hell up!!

Response by SSG Jack Randal made Apr 27 at 2018 11:51 AM

SSG Jack Randal — Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:51:35 -0400

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard...

Response by SFC John Wright made Apr 30 at 2018 1:36 PM

SFC John Wright — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:36:44 -0400

My immediate response is WTF? Hard to believe this is even a question. But them I remember that todays troops grew up in a "Time-Out" - "Participation Trophy" world. Alas, little snowflakes....the world is a screwed up dangerous place. Grab hold of your balls and persevere....you will get your patch.

Response by SrA Dennis Taylor made Apr 30 at 2018 7:32 PM

SrA Dennis Taylor — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:32:36 -0400

I'm a Desert Shield/Desert Storm Era veteran. Does it hurt my feelings that I didn't get deployed and that I don't have a medal for it? No. I'm happy to be alive and to have served during the era. Let those who earned the medals and patches wear them and let me honor them for performing their duty with honor.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 2:40 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 02:40:00 -0400

Wow how is this even a question ?

Response by PVT Cyrel Moore made May 3 at 2018 2:29 PM

PVT Cyrel Moore — Thu, 03 May 2018 14:29:06 -0400

Hell no. They are earned.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made May 4 at 2018 6:19 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 04 May 2018 18:19:23 -0400

It is very ignorant too remove something the you earned during combat, plus this is how you are separated from the none combat soldier who look up for your mentoring omg wtf.

Response by SPC Jason Hamilton made May 5 at 2018 11:30 AM

SPC Jason Hamilton — Sat, 05 May 2018 11:30:54 -0400

No. I was not awarded one although I have a campaign ribbon, but you earn combat patches.
Should we disallow eib? Parachute wings? Rifleman badges? SF or Rangers patch? Those you also earn.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 8:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 May 2018 20:37:42 -0400

Am I seriously reading about hurt feelings affecting those who serve in the military? I thought I was in the company of men and women who are honorable and respectable. Soldiers need to know their place and realize they are not entitled. Spoken from a staff sergeant with 10 combat rotations and 9 years of service. Shaking my damn head.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 5:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 17:56:14 -0400

NO.

Response by FN Rollo Thormann made May 7 at 2018 11:26 AM

FN Rollo Thormann — Mon, 07 May 2018 11:26:05 -0400

You want a combat patch? Nut up and earn. I don't believe in participation awards, never have. I'm so sick of all this soft touchy feely language and treatment. It especially has no place in the US armed forces. The military trains warriors, not snowflakes. I think we've gone way to soft in our basic training as it is, and I believe it's a monumental disservice to our recruits. If you only joined for the college money, you joined for the wrong reason. In the military you have no rights, you are government property and they have the right to do as they see fit. Remember, when you took that oath you are never relived of it. You wrote a blank check for up to and including your life.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made May 8 at 2018 4:38 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Tue, 08 May 2018 16:38:47 -0400

Dear God - what next?? "be sensitive" to those that did not deploy - Jesus Christmas - this question is a fine example of what PC culture does to a mind.

Response by SFC Michael Bunch made May 8 at 2018 5:17 PM

SFC Michael Bunch — Tue, 08 May 2018 17:17:58 -0400

MSG - Time to tell the younger troops to look around and notice all of the experience and skill around them. That skill and experience is identified by the combat patches and badges. If they pay attention and learn one day, they may have some patches and badges as well. If they don't like it, time to suck it up butter cup and get with the program! You want a patch earn.. No PX Soldiers are allowed in the Services! Earn the recognition or get out!

Response by MAJ James Edwards made May 8 at 2018 7:56 PM

MAJ James Edwards — Tue, 08 May 2018 19:56:30 -0400

Patches are earned through participation in some kind of military event/deployment. I’m sick and tired of these whiny shits who been taught “every one is a winner and everyone gets a patch or trophy!!!”
Not real life and if DOD is going to coddle these people we are in DEEP kimshee

Response by SGT Everett M. Cheney made May 8 at 2018 11:14 PM

SGT Everett M. Cheney — Tue, 08 May 2018 23:14:57 -0400

That is one of the most pussified everyone gets a trophy issues I’ve heard in a long long time. Have we truly sunk so low into the pansification of America that this is where we set the bar for our Warriors and our future Warriors? If they are serving it doesn’t fall to them to decide if they went into combat or not . Orders are given and duty is served . If then that duty took them into harms way , well that’s what we ALL trained for . If it did not then shine where you are , but DO NOT take away that which was earned just because some simpering person might wind up with envy issues. That’s looking at it all wrong . Hold the standard high and those that can will rise to it when called upon , and regardless if they were in combat or not they still serve and that puts them above the masses of sheeple who won’t serve ! So then, what do ? Do we stop wearing uniforms in public because the sight of an American in uniform might create ill feelings in those that couldn’t or wouldn’t bring themselves to serve in uniform? Where do we stop this vasilating slide of standards in our society ?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 7:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 19:42:33 -0400

Not everyone gets a trophy for showing up.
When it’s the privates time to go overseas and earn their patch.
Why is this even a question?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 7:49 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 19:49:06 -0400

Why is this even a topic?
Is this now the Cub Scouts?
This is a great example of what is wrong with the leadership (I’m talking to you senior NCOs and Officers.)
Start leading and training your soldiers so when it’s time to deploy, they will come home alive so they can show off that piece of cloth.

Response by LTC Michael Hrycak made May 9 at 2018 8:07 PM

LTC Michael Hrycak — Wed, 09 May 2018 20:07:54 -0400

The discretion to wear it or not should be on the Soldier. I had a Truckmaster, E-8, who was a Vietnam Veteran with airborne and Ranger qualification. He didn't wear any of them. When I was preparing his NCOER I looked at his records, which also confirmed that he had a master's degree as well. So I asked him why he didn't wear his combat and qualification badges. He replied that the uniform regulations require only Name, US Army, and unit of assignment, and that is all he has to wear.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 9:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 09:11:21 -0400

We should remove combat patches to avoid hurting people’s feelings at the same time we remove rank to avoid hurting people’s feelings.

Response by PO1 Jack Voigt made May 13 at 2018 1:42 PM

PO1 Jack Voigt — Sun, 13 May 2018 13:42:23 -0400

This idea is total bullshit. If the troops earned their patch they should be able to wear them regardless of how a bunch of E-1/E-2s feel about it. When is the dummying down/ sissifying of our military gonna stop? If you want to be a liberal snowflake , do us all a favor and don’t join the military.

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made May 13 at 2018 4:45 PM

1SG Jack Crutcher — Sun, 13 May 2018 16:45:04 -0400

Response by PO1 James Friedman made May 13 at 2018 9:24 PM

PO1 James Friedman — Sun, 13 May 2018 21:24:35 -0400

Suck it up buttercup. You have to earn them.

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made May 13 at 2018 9:29 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Sun, 13 May 2018 21:29:59 -0400

Really? This can't be a real question. When I was an E2 I envied my First Sergeant's paycheck. Should they have given it to me because my feelings were hurt? (Which in reality, they weren't) Seems absurd to me.

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made May 13 at 2018 9:50 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Sun, 13 May 2018 21:50:14 -0400

Really? Is this a troll asking this question? What is going on in today's world that this would even be a question? Earn it it to wear it. Wear it if you earned it. The US Army is not like a league of 8 year olds expecting a participation trophy. She we just give all E1s E9 pay just to assuage their feelings? This is absurd. My assumption is E1s and E2s make up the 2% who answered yes.

Response by CPT Duane Caswell made May 14 at 2018 5:41 AM

CPT Duane Caswell — Mon, 14 May 2018 05:41:07 -0400

Give the whiners pink vagina patches to wear until they grow up.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made May 14 at 2018 4:32 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Mon, 14 May 2018 16:32:33 -0400

NO, and anyone that thinks that I should is just showing patch envy...Such silliness...Silly I tell you!

Response by SSG Lee Kujawa made May 16 at 2018 10:00 PM

SSG Lee Kujawa — Wed, 16 May 2018 22:00:22 -0400

What s bizarre question.

Response by PO1 Mary Vermont made May 18 at 2018 3:59 PM

PO1 Mary Vermont — Fri, 18 May 2018 15:59:25 -0400

No! So is the military full of snowflakes? If so feel sorry for those going into combat

Response by Sgt Akim Reynolds made May 19 at 2018 9:07 PM

Sgt Akim Reynolds — Sat, 19 May 2018 21:07:28 -0400

Combat vets should wear their patches proudly.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2018 10:48 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 May 2018 22:48:09 -0400

Fuck off ranger Rick.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made May 27 at 2018 1:40 PM

PVT Mark Zehner — Sun, 27 May 2018 13:40:07 -0400

By all means take them away. I also think all weapons should be replaced with pillows!

Response by CMSgt Scott Hesseltine made May 27 at 2018 8:29 PM

CMSgt Scott Hesseltine — Sun, 27 May 2018 20:29:29 -0400

Those we're earned and should be worn with pride!

Response by Sgt Kevin Carter made May 29 at 2018 12:01 PM

Sgt Kevin Carter — Tue, 29 May 2018 12:01:27 -0400

No our military should not be a everyone gets a trophy society. If you earn it you should be able to keep it unless it is removed as a discipline.

Response by SSG Mac McCluster made Jun 3 at 2018 11:37 AM

SSG Mac McCluster — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 11:37:37 -0400

Get.Thee.Fuk.Outta.Here!
If you have one or many right shoulder combat patches as well as deployment awards to CBS to CIBs to Airborne to Air Assault badges if YOU EARNED IT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO WEAR IT and all those who remained in the rear with the beer should be proud of whatever their contributions and support was...stop trying to make everyone "feel" special

Response by Sgt Tun Tavern made Jun 5 at 2018 1:37 AM

Sgt Tun Tavern — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:37:35 -0400

Next they’ll say to not wear deployment ribbons, same difference... Unbelievable that’s this is even talk.

Response by MSG Jason Kubanek made Jun 7 at 2018 3:19 PM

MSG Jason Kubanek — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:19:33 -0400

This question should be removed- maybe repost on something more appropriate like the duffleblog. This is a joke

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2018 9:12 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:12:20 -0400

Should we remove awards and rank so junior soldiers don't feel left out?

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jun 8 at 2018 9:51 PM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:51:53 -0400

I sincerely hope this is a bullshit post.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Jun 9 at 2018 5:51 PM

SFC Mark Bailey — Sat, 09 Jun 2018 17:51:21 -0400

LOL...!!!

Again, this comes from the attitude of a generation or more of children that were raised to all get 'participation awards' without any real competition for an award.

Combat patches are issued to those who face something beyond a regular 9-5 day (or in the military a 5-9 day)...

If the rest are that interested in getting shot at;
... they can patiently wait until they get sent into someplace nasty for 12-18 months, go through what a deployment like that entails, and actually earn something that all of the others will then want to go to the PX and purchase for themselves to show off to their girlfriends or boyfriends later on.

I have a sign on my back porch from one of my last units...
"No Whiners Allowed"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2018 3:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 15:28:11 -0400

They'll be alright. Smh stems from the new gen "everybody gets a trophy" new wave crap. In my days you lost you ate it (Wasn't always sweet) but wasnt supposed to be that way next time around you would try harder to try not to taste DEFEAT.

Response by Sgt Jeff Kayl made Jun 11 at 2018 7:54 PM

Sgt Jeff Kayl — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:54:46 -0400

Hell no. I would've been one w/o a patch. Folks should be proud of what they've earned and others should respect what has been earned by others, rather than be jealous or feel left out. This is one step removed from military folks no longer wearing ribbons, medals, etc. What of jump wings when an airborne soldier is stationed among mostly non-airborne? It would get ridiculous and I don't see it as promoting cohesiveness and teamwork, but, rather, perhaps causing resentment of those who earned the badges.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2018 5:30 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:30:41 -0400

What patch is the Air Force referring to? I missed it on Facebook.

Response by SSG David Phetteplace made Jun 14 at 2018 2:46 PM

SSG David Phetteplace — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:46:22 -0400

No. You earned that combat patch and you should be someone that the new guys should look up to. I know I did and I had a little more respect for combat vets I served with.

Response by SFC Rich Gomez made Jun 14 at 2018 7:42 PM

SFC Rich Gomez — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:42:31 -0400

What is with all this pandering to these kids? This is not juvenile sports activities. These people have to grow up and recognize they are not entitled to everything, medallions and awards are earned not just given to soothe feelings.

Response by CPO Ed Hoover made Jun 19 at 2018 5:37 PM

CPO Ed Hoover — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:37:50 -0400

Everybody gets a trophy!

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jun 21 at 2018 8:36 AM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:36:03 -0400

NO!

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 12:11 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 00:11:08 -0400

The army is too soft as it is

Response by SPC Phillip N. Weary made Jun 24 at 2018 5:58 PM

SPC Phillip N. Weary — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 17:58:01 -0400

The patch show that you was in a combat zone. For years I wanted one until I had it!

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Jun 26 at 2018 12:16 AM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 00:16:40 -0400

You fought for it, you wear it. The newbies will be facing situations soon enough. Of anything, they should be looking to you for guidance so they dont find themselves in a situation they don't know how to get out of, or know how to respond to.
Left out,... they better start growing a pair real quick. War is Not a game.

Response by LTC Robert D Gordon made Jun 26 at 2018 1:16 AM

LTC Robert D Gordon — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:16:30 -0400

All this does is too bring up other issues, like the CIB etc, is cr, etc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2018 8:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:50:25 -0400

While we are at it, why don't we remove name tape and the military branch from the uniform as well? That way if one SM screws up, every military branch must suffer for it. Also, this way we can be sensitive to SMs that are not in the Space Force.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2018 6:35 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:35:37 -0400

Sounds like a leadership issue. The leadership needs to educate these Soldiers. Wearing of an SSI-FWTS or the lack of one, doesn't make one any better or less of a Soldier. In my opinion this should be left up to the Soldier if they want to display wear their SSI-FWTS as according to AR 670-1. What about these Soldiers feelings? Being away from home for long periods of time, the dangers, the sacrifices of their families, the damaged families because of multiple deployments, some who even made the ultimate sacrifice and those who lost brothers and sisters in arms and the same for the families left behind to mourn. The SSI-FWTS represents more than , "I was deployed with whatever unit." Educate these Soldiers before we bring feelings into the mix. The issue of catering without educating is too systemic of a problem.

My 1st deployment as a SGT/E-5 was with a few Vietnam vets. That patch meant the world to them, so much that they even had it tattooed on their shoulder. If they were still serving, tell them to remove their patches and see how that works out for you.

We need to educate on traditions and the reasons why the Army does things.

Response by SGT Roger Bunton made Jun 29 at 2018 9:24 AM

SGT Roger Bunton — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:24:15 -0400

I spent two years in a combat zone and the patches I received I earned and am proud of them. I believe those that don't have them by seeing mine might inspire them to push themselves but not necessarily push for a combat assignment. I sincerely hope we never have to send our soldiers into harm's way again but we should always be ready.

Response by Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux made Jun 29 at 2018 11:59 AM

Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:59:58 -0400

I'm prejudiced and probably have insufficient time "in service" to comment with any degree of validity. Having said that, with the caveat that my branch of the military did not subscribe to a lot of "extraneous" patches, etc., If something is EARNED, that "thing" is cheapened by either giving it to someone who did not earn it or by precluding one who DID EARN it from wearing it. Should those who have earned the C.I.B. or earned paratrooper wings (or the "Budweiser", for that matter) be precluded from wearing them? I suppose nobody wants to be a FNG. But that is just life. Yet I do have to question "feel good" or "I showed up" trinkets. You are either a member of a team or you aren't.

Response by Cpl Tony Hughes made Jun 30 at 2018 11:42 PM

Cpl Tony Hughes — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:42:02 -0400

Sounds like this new generation of troops are asking for Participation trouphies? You only need to feel left out if you had something to do with it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2018 8:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 08:01:35 -0400

being prior active duty marine switched active army here is my opinion about this 1) deployment patches are just clutter on the uniform. I think velcro on the uniform looks cheap and tacky it shouldn't matter your deployment or unit the only 3 things that really should matter are your last name your branch of service and your rank maybe addition of specialty schools ( air assault, airborne, dive, ect.) and 2) if your going to have them allow prior service who have deployed to wear them

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2018 2:19 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 14:19:01 -0400

FUCK. NO.

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Jul 3 at 2018 10:25 AM

Sgt Charles Welling — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 10:25:43 -0400

Only in the Army do I read these inane questions. There is no wonder to me that the USA is studying the effectiveness of the Marine Corps, why and how it is accomplished. If attitudes like this question suggests are prevalent, they will never understand or come to an accurate conclusion.

Response by TSgt David Whitmore made Jul 3 at 2018 5:22 PM

TSgt David Whitmore — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 17:22:19 -0400

Oh Hell no! You earned it, you should wear it proudly.
Yes, it was probably close to 'Hell on Earth'; but that is what makes such a thing so significant. If these children want one so badly, then they need to get their butts out there and into combat. Unless that would be too scary for them.
I, personally, never earned the right to wear a combat patch, I retired in 1998; I guess I was 'between wars'. And, I respect the hell out of the folks that served in combat. God bless them all.
One of my nephews did three tours in Afghanistan, in the Army. Another one, currently in the Navy, was recently in the Gulf area; and is now somewhere out in the western part of the Pacific. I don't ask, because he shouldn't tell.

Response by SPC Keith Walker made Jul 3 at 2018 8:45 PM

SPC Keith Walker — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 20:45:19 -0400

I was deployed for 365 days and the night we was to redeploy back we were extended for another 120 days so i earned the right to wear my patch...i was boot private and not once did ever feel left out cause i didn't have a combat patch at that time

Response by MSgt Ben Swenning made Jul 5 at 2018 11:15 AM

MSgt Ben Swenning — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:15:53 -0400

Should we give them physical scars too? Make them amputees? Come on, get real!

Response by SFC Frank Ramirez made Jul 6 at 2018 5:15 PM

SFC Frank Ramirez — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 17:15:26 -0400

You gotta be shi**ing me. Those Soldiers laid their lives on the line for those patches. Feelings hurt my ass. Go back home and play tiddlywinks!!! Good lord, stop already.

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jul 9 at 2018 4:04 PM

SPC Gary Welch — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 16:04:24 -0400

If you earned an award put it on your uniform I proudly wore my combat patch and CIB proudly and everybody looks up to people that have been to combat because they know that those people were in the shit

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jul 10 at 2018 4:14 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:14:00 -0400

WGAS? I'm a Navy guy. USN, USMC, USCG, USAF doesn't use them. It looks to me as a boondoggle to sell patches, but you Doggies can do what you want. Only soldiers have dogs in this fight.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 5:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:27:47 -0400

No. I earned my combat patch, and I didn't solely just deploy, I did things to earn that patch and I'm proud of it, so I'm sporting it. .Instead of being butthurt about not having a combat patch, they should use that as motivation to soldier up, work hard, be squared away, so they can deploy and work to get theirs...It will be worth it and they will be more grateful for it......Suck it up and drive on as my generation said...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 5:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:29:34 -0400

No. I earned mine and I'm proud of it...Go earn yours, use it as fuel to get yours

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jul 12 at 2018 6:47 PM

MSgt Stephen Council — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:47:33 -0400

I am so sick of cowtowing to every sissy that gets a$$hurt because he or she did t earn a tough to earn decoration or badge or device. Life is tough. If you dont earn something dont make yourself feel better by denying it to those who did earn it. WTF??? How is this a thing?!?!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2018 10:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:20:41 -0400

If you earn it wear it. Should I remove my skull badges if other around me don’t have them. This is ridiculous to even ask.

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jul 15 at 2018 5:16 PM

SSgt Max Gonzales — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:16:56 -0400

Patches are generally for those who have been around the major skirmishes. E1,E2s,are not usually commended for that type of environment until deemed necessary.

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jul 15 at 2018 5:21 PM

SSgt Max Gonzales — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:21:58 -0400

When I was in we never earned or saw Patches. Those were for the guys who were battle tested and deserved the recognition. Only one I ever wanted was the one that showed my. Commitment to my country.

Response by TSgt Chuck Farrow made Jul 19 at 2018 12:28 AM

TSgt Chuck Farrow — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 00:28:07 -0400

That is ridiculous. Earned em, wear em. With that mindset, all enlisted should retire as an E9.

Response by SSG Tim Esplin made Jul 23 at 2018 10:51 AM

SSG Tim Esplin — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:51:08 -0400

Stupidest damn thing I ever heard of.

Response by SSG Brian Patrick made Jul 23 at 2018 2:54 PM

SSG Brian Patrick — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:54:12 -0400

I hope this is a joke. When I came in the only combat patches were worn by Vietnam and Grenada vets. That set them apart and was respected by us greenhorns.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 11:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:29:09 -0400

It's not just the new privates, my psg has 18 years and got his first patch last week, while I'm on my 3rd trip in 12. It's a reminder to all personnel that you have had experience. It's something that is earned, but it seems more like a deployment patch than a combat patch.

Response by Sgt Larry Howe made Jul 27 at 2018 2:49 PM

Sgt Larry Howe — Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:49:26 -0400

I once went to a retirement party and they told us to remove our ribbons because the guy retiring didn’t have many and they didn’t want to hurt his feelings. Yep, that’s what our military has come to. I say suck it up, they’re on your chest because you put in the time and the duty.

Response by PFC Rian Axelson made Jul 27 at 2018 4:38 PM

PFC Rian Axelson — Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:38:13 -0400

Quit calling it a combat patch. It's a deployment patch.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2018 8:36 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 20:36:48 -0400

I remember 2bct, at the time 4bct issued this order on Fort Carson 2 years ago.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 9:53 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:53:52 -0400

Maybe I should take off my oak leaf while I’m at it, so the little dears don’t get mind-locked trying to figure out how to respond?

Response by 1SG William Randall’s made Jul 31 at 2018 9:36 PM

1SG William Randall’s — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:36:37 -0400

This has to be a joke right!

Response by Sgt John Jones made Jul 31 at 2018 10:00 PM

Sgt John Jones — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:00:12 -0400

BooHoo. Medals and ribbons are earned. I am not at all jealous of anyone who has a medal or 100 medals that I do not possess. They earned them, I did not. I earned mine, and that is ok with me. This is all an Obama era thing....

Response by SGT Larry Magrini made Aug 3 at 2018 11:46 AM

SGT Larry Magrini — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 11:46:51 -0400

What dumb ass came up with that idea

Response by CPO Nate S. made Aug 6 at 2018 5:17 AM

CPO Nate S. — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 05:17:43 -0400

They are E1s and E2s. They need to earn it. If they lack character enough to understand they need to earn being deployed, then they need to be a stockbrokers or voted for wannabes. GTFU!!!!!!

Response by SSG Robert Schell made Aug 7 at 2018 11:53 AM

SSG Robert Schell — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 11:53:57 -0400

This is such bullshit. When you're an E-1, or E-2 who gives a crap about whether you feel left out of wearing something you weren't there to earn. Soldier up, train hard and wait for another balloon to go up. Don't be a whiny millennial bitch crying because in the real world, your soccer mom can't ensure that everyone gets a trophy.

Response by Lt Col Robert Canfield made Aug 7 at 2018 2:51 PM

Lt Col Robert Canfield — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 14:51:09 -0400

If you earned it, wear it. Otherwise, how will the greenhorns know who to go to for advice and guidance on how the REAL world works?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2018 3:43 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:43:06 -0400

Might as well remove all your ribbons on you dress/service uniforms too, except for the ND and GWOT... What a joke.

Response by PO1 Jeffrey Pennala made Aug 9 at 2018 2:04 PM

PO1 Jeffrey Pennala — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 14:04:56 -0400

The military isn't a liberal elementary school where every child receives a trophy for showing up. New guys are always new guys and they have to do the things they need to do by learning their duties, responsibilities, and expectations. You don't get recognition for what others have done and experienced. The whole thought is really stupid......I guess a lot of the new guys are non-hackers these days with unreasonable expectations. I fear for the Rebublic...

Response by SFC Harry H. made Aug 12 at 2018 9:44 PM

SFC Harry H. — Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:44:53 -0400

Lol! I bet they do. These are the entitled kids we handed trophies to for being loosers in a football games. No one to blame but our generation.

I remember when I first got in, back in 97’. I looked in envy at those very few who had them. Looked up to them and respected them more. I looked at the Ranger, SF tabbed guys and thought, I want one too. The difference was, I knew I had to work for it and they don’t come easy.

Response by SFC Monet Hendrickson made Aug 13 at 2018 10:12 PM

SFC Monet Hendrickson — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:12:59 -0400

Don't take away what they have earned! WTH, are we bringing up toddlers in the armed services? Kick their butts to the curb!

Response by SFC Monet Hendrickson made Aug 13 at 2018 10:15 PM

SFC Monet Hendrickson — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:15:21 -0400

WTH, are we raising toddlers, kick to the curb, want a patch, go earn it.

Response by CW4 Marty Tetrick made Aug 16 at 2018 6:27 PM

CW4 Marty Tetrick — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:27:37 -0400

HELL NO! Earn that shit like the rest! Want the college, benefits, and recognition but don't want to do the work / time. I'm sorry, but even considering this is ludacris and insulting!

Response by COL Eric Rojo made Aug 17 at 2018 11:34 AM

COL Eric Rojo — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:34:34 -0400

so? what is the Army going to cater to Politcal Correct ignorance? Maybe whoever is promoting this idea should also take his medals and stripes and wear a private's uniform to make sure these new recruits are also not offended.
combat patches, rank, medals, badges are eraned, often by givin up life, limbs and time with our families.

new soldiers need to be lead to look up to the veterans and earn all that goes on their uniform and records. We cannot cuddle and bend to the meritless snow flake society that is undermining our nation

Response by COL Eric Rojo made Aug 17 at 2018 11:35 AM

COL Eric Rojo — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:35:28 -0400

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Aug 17 at 2018 3:59 PM

SGT Robert Martin — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:59:33 -0400

Hell no!! New soldiers should be told these are the soldiers you should be looking to. You want to be prepared for deployment trust me talk to someone that has been there

Response by SGM John Mott made Aug 18 at 2018 11:31 AM

SGM John Mott — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 11:31:51 -0400

This issue is the result of, everyone gets a participation trophy in our education system. What BS!

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Aug 18 at 2018 12:43 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:43:36 -0400

Not only no but hell no. You earned patch wear it.

Response by TSgt Gerald Wilson made Aug 25 at 2018 12:58 PM

TSgt Gerald Wilson — Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:58:20 -0400

I am having a really hard time believing this is a serious question but I suspect it is. The "sensitivity" logic being set forth assumes that some 19-year old's momentary, flighty emotions are at least equal in significance to the suffering and fear and death of combat itself. That is an insult my friend. That kid you're describing may feel left out. Got it. But the patch or medal or badge or beret or whatever it is we're proposing to hide, was given specifically because of what it represents. And it represents something in the grown-up world that has real meaning. Am I trivializing the emotions of the young? Yes - because next to the reality of war, said emotions are trivial indeed. By the reasoning you're setting forth do we ban the wear of medals apart from those 2 or 3 BS ones that everybody gets? Like I said, this can't be a serious question...

Response by SSgt John Carter made Aug 26 at 2018 7:52 AM

SSgt John Carter — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:52:15 -0400

The Air Force has combat units. Disparaging other services isn’t very mature.

Response by Capt Peter de KAM made Aug 26 at 2018 1:19 PM

Capt Peter de KAM — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:53 -0400

That’s about a little more pansy ass REMF BS that I can take in one bite. I didn’t realize E1s & E2s got a vote... When did this happen???

Response by MSG Ray Manzano made Aug 27 at 2018 1:06 PM

MSG Ray Manzano — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:06:10 -0400

The BCT commander must have gone through basic training back when they issued the trainees those stress cards to show their drill sergeants when they were stressed. Maybe he also wants his soldiers to removed all their awards when in dress uniform to be sensitive to those who doesn't have any. And while being so stupid, maybe the commander should remove his rank off his uniform to be more sensitive to his lower ranking officers, because they haven't attained his rank yet. PC is now getting into the military to much.

Response by PFC Ron Hymas made Aug 28 at 2018 6:06 PM

PFC Ron Hymas — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:06:39 -0400

Maybe we should take off our stripe too, so those who don't have as many won't be butthurt about that too...

Response by SFC Samuel Cortijo made Aug 30 at 2018 7:00 AM

SFC Samuel Cortijo — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:00:17 -0400

Although I understand how they feel, removing the patch does nothing but put a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. OK lets take off the combat patch from the combat uniform. What will happen when they have to wear their dress uniform for an inspection? Instead of it being the combat patch, it will be the fact that they have no awards or decorations. When you enlist in the military your uniform is usually bare, at least it was when I came in. One of the things that made me work harder than most is to excel, do more, and stand out. I received awards, I got deployed and my uniform soon was filled up with awards. To the point where I was just begging them to give me a pat on the back, those things get kind of expensive after a while.

There comes a time when the Army needs to stop playing politics, and start remembering they are in an occupation that should not have politics in it. When I was enlisted I was not a democrat or republican. I was not white or black. I was not gay or straight. I was a part of a long history, of brothers and sisters. Whom fought alongside each other. They failed or succeeded as a team. When they failed they consoled themselves as family would. When they succeeded they celebrated with each other. Some of my brothers came back to a grateful country, while others came back to a not so grateful country.

Like all families my military has its bad/dark side that has done wrong. They call it the 10%. I can't exclude them from this. They are the ones that wanted to change the way the Military did business by doing the wrong thing. All that being said when we enlisted we had one thing in common. We started from the bottom and there was only one way to go. The ones whom are complaining about a patch did not get asked to go serve, they volunteered to go serve. If they wanted to receive a trophy for participation, they should have stayed at home.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Sep 1 at 2018 8:01 AM

1SG Billye Jackson — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 08:01:10 -0400

You are BSing Me Right. Who would even think this Shit Up. I wore the Big Red One on my Right Shoulder for 21 years of my 23,\. Even after the Army went to Subdued Had a Lot of CSM's tell me to replace it, Never Did, and was never Ordered to Just Recommended. always responded with " I served in the Big Red One not the Big Black One.. My Army is Going to Hell in an Hand Basket.

Response by PO1 Fred McCall made Sep 1 at 2018 11:18 PM

PO1 Fred McCall — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 23:18:08 -0400

Apply this thought to any other award and see how silly it sounds. "Gee, I haven't been in long enough to have a Good Conduct. They should do away with them because this makes me feel 'left out'." "Why does that guy get a Bronze Star and I don't? They shouldn't have those, since not having one makes me feel 'left out'."

Response by SSG Rick Robbins made Sep 1 at 2018 11:26 PM

SSG Rick Robbins — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 23:26:08 -0400

So if you have a Medal of Honor and I don’t , you can’t wear it. Why was this even asked?

Response by LCpl Frankie Rush made Sep 2 at 2018 7:53 AM

LCpl Frankie Rush — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 07:53:47 -0400

No, they should not be removed. Cause you are afraid of hurting feelings. What is our military turning into ? A bunch of cry babies!!!! Grow up

Response by SSgt John Carter made Sep 2 at 2018 7:55 AM

SSgt John Carter — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 07:55:22 -0400

Every patch, Medal, ribbon is earned. If you’re sensitive, then go earn some.

Response by SSG Ryan Rink made Sep 2 at 2018 3:20 PM

SSG Ryan Rink — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 15:20:58 -0400

Snowflakes, they can earn it the same way that the others did.

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Sep 3 at 2018 12:43 AM

CPT Brad Wilson — Mon, 03 Sep 2018 00:43:06 -0400

Hey I feel left out without a Ranger Tab so those who earned it should take them off to make me feel better and everyone should take the medals off their chests because some of you have medals that I haven’t earned either. Now you young snowflakes if you want to join the combat patch club go to the Title 10 page on AKO and volunteer to deploy with a unit that is short people or wait for your unit to deploy

Response by SGT Stuart Griffin made Sep 4 at 2018 3:52 AM

SGT Stuart Griffin — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 03:52:59 -0400

If you remove the combat patch from those that earned it to appease the ones that haven't, you might as well stop wearing rank that you've earned and they haven't, or any tabs, or awards and ribbons, because they don't have it so stop wearing what you've earned to be sensitive to those that don't have them.

Response by PO2 Frank Read made Sep 4 at 2018 4:17 PM

PO2 Frank Read — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 16:17:28 -0400

So they felt left out, get over it and get on with the job.

Response by SrA John Monette made Sep 4 at 2018 7:35 PM

SrA John Monette — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:35:59 -0400

I'm not a combat veteran, but I would never ask someone to remove patches they EARNED because someone might feel uncomfortable.

Response by PO3 John Priest made Sep 5 at 2018 12:51 PM

PO3 John Priest — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 12:51:58 -0400

No. Those like service medals are earned by participation in events and times. If you've been there, done that (some multiple times), you should be able to wear the appropriate medal/patch on your uniform and wear it with pride.

Response by AN Tharon West made Sep 6 at 2018 2:39 PM

AN Tharon West — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:39:49 -0400

If you want the patch go back in time, enlist sooner, so your whiny ass can earn the damn patch. Better yet, request a hardship separation you pansy asses!!!

Response by SPC William Szewc made Sep 8 at 2018 4:28 PM

SPC William Szewc — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 16:28:44 -0400

We obviously live in a world where everybody feels they're entitled even though they haven't done anything.

Response by PO1 Robert George made Sep 9 at 2018 3:20 PM

PO1 Robert George — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:20:29 -0400

Navy doesn't do combat patches but if you earned them, wear them!

Response by SSG Rick Robbins made Sep 9 at 2018 9:42 PM

SSG Rick Robbins — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 21:42:23 -0400

Maybe that commander, notice the little “c” should remove his rank since every one is not an officer,. I have an idea for a patch for those with their butt hurt because the don’t have one. Do can make it 12 inches in diameter...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2018 11:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 23:36:36 -0400

Response by CAPT Michael Toleno made Sep 11 at 2018 8:30 PM

CAPT Michael Toleno — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:30:48 -0400

Where's the "laughing smiley face" button?

Response by 1st Lt Mark Marshall made Sep 12 at 2018 9:30 AM

1st Lt Mark Marshall — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:30:57 -0400

if they want it ..Earn it

Response by 1SG John Darden made Sep 12 at 2018 11:37 AM

1SG John Darden — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:37:51 -0400

No soldier deserves a patch unearned or any other award. The little pukes can go cry to mother for all I care. Keep the patches and wear them proudly to inspire the whiners into something better.

Response by 1SG Frank Lafferty made Sep 15 at 2018 12:06 PM

1SG Frank Lafferty — Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:06:58 -0400

No!!. This would be political correctness carried to the limit. There are other branches that do not wear the patch - transfer there. Almost as bad as issuing crewmembers wings when one finishes mechanic school.

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Sep 15 at 2018 2:02 PM

SPC William Szkromiuk — Sat, 15 Sep 2018 14:02:21 -0400

Sounds like another "snowflake" weather report. Everyone gets the same. Seriously!

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Sep 16 at 2018 8:46 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:46:22 -0400

Next the young enlisted will want a Participation Patch, like back in high school.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2018 9:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:22:02 -0400

Maybe you shouldn’t wear your skill badges then in fear you don’t offend everyone who does not have them.... I swear these can’t be real questions!

Response by COL Michael Custer made Sep 19 at 2018 6:31 PM

COL Michael Custer — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:31:35 -0400

That is crazy

Response by COL Michael Custer made Sep 19 at 2018 6:33 PM

COL Michael Custer — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:33:56 -0400

Stupid to remove combat patches!!!!

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Sep 23 at 2018 1:22 PM

SPC Fred Scholl — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 13:22:10 -0400

This question is so stupid I don’t know what to say. How about we don’t wear our expert rifle medal so we don’t offend those who can’t shoot worth a shit.

Response by PO2 Mario Lofaro made Sep 26 at 2018 7:22 AM

PO2 Mario Lofaro — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:22:36 -0400

Most of us who didn't serve in a combat position simply weren't assigned as such. If you were in any combat, you deserve credit, and darn well should display that accomplishment. I'm proud of my service, and thank and RESPECT those who were in harm's way...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2018 7:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Sep 2018 19:10:01 -0400

What’s next? Not wearing personal decorations, service ribbons, or badges at the next dining in or dining out?

Response by SGT Stan Setliff made Sep 30 at 2018 9:25 AM

SGT Stan Setliff — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:25:20 -0400

This is right up there with the "Give everyone a beret" bull.

Response by CPT Kevin Connolly made Oct 1 at 2018 8:24 AM

CPT Kevin Connolly — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:24:18 -0400

The CO needs to be separated asapiest. Clearly unfit.

Response by SGT Ron Murphy made Oct 1 at 2018 11:55 PM

SGT Ron Murphy — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 23:55:21 -0400

Hell NO! Get a copy of the Memo and send it to the Army Times!

Response by CPL Brian Birchell made Oct 2 at 2018 1:01 PM

CPL Brian Birchell — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:01:35 -0400

Fuck no

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2018 2:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 14:15:47 -0400

Hell, no. Those patches were earned. No one should be able to strip them away. My only caveat would be to say, don't be condescending or elitist toward those who have not earned one. Most simply haven't had the opportunity to earn one yet. I have not, but I respect, and certainly do not resent, those who have. At the same time I expect not to be looked down upon or treated as less of a soldier because I have not yet served in a combat deployment. Army Values, letter R. Look it up, if you don't have it memorized.

P.S. If you are in the military and have actively avoided combat deployment, get out.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2018 5:34 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:34:48 -0400

Oh, HELL NO! Are we the most lethal fighting force ever known or have we turned into the “kinder, gentler Army”. I think those who have deployed to a war zone should be revered.

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Oct 4 at 2018 10:37 PM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 22:37:17 -0400

What's next? Remove rank so the ones that don't have has high a rank won't feel left out.

Response by GySgt Mike Swisher made Oct 8 at 2018 2:23 AM

GySgt Mike Swisher — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 02:23:02 -0400

That's a horrible idea!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2018 3:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:02:11 -0400

Why does one need a patch on his/her shoulder or a ribbon on his/her chest to show other where he/she has served? Why is the Army the only branch that wears the silly things? If you know in your heart & mind and it's on your ERB/ORB do you really need a patch

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made Oct 8 at 2018 6:45 PM

PO1 Robert Johnson — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:45:52 -0400

Is the military leadership giving up over 250 ears of tradition? This is as bad as in some of our schools where every kid gets a star or a sticker, whether they earned it or not. Someone needs to get with the unit leaders and give them the "Come to Jesus" talk i.e. "if they weren't there, they don't get the badge, but those who were there get the badge and wear it with pride. For those poor souls who haven't had the privilege of earning the badge, your turn will come.

Response by A1C Lexas Granger made Oct 8 at 2018 7:43 PM

A1C Lexas Granger — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 19:43:28 -0400

First, who gives a shit about a PV1 or PV2 that haven’t “EARNED” their combat patch.

Second, on a more professional note, would it make sense for everyone to have the patch if they haven’t been in combat yet? Also, the patch has a deeper meaning behind it, and shouldn’t just be worn just because they don’t have it yet. It’s almost in the same realm of earning a Bronze Star, or Silver Star. You do not wear the accolade if you have not earned it. The same with campaign medals. If you have not earned it by being apart of the campaign then you do not wear it. Haven’t earned wings yet? Don’t wear them. Anything you’ve earned wear it proudly, and humbled. Remind the younger troops what it takes for them to earn their way there, and to never let up. Morale boosters like this will assist in the whinny ones.

In conclusion, there is a price to pay for each accoutrement and it’s not just the price to pay at the counter to wear them. Be proud, and be humble.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2018 8:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:19:15 -0400

I DON'T CARE WHO THEY ARE. RANK OR NO RANK, IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN, YOU DON'T NEED SPECIAL TREATMENT OVER THE ONES THAT HAVE. THEY EARNED THEIR RIGHT TO WEAR IT! SUCK IT UP UNTIL YOU EARN YOUR RIGHT. KINDER, GENTLER MILITARY, MY ASS,

Response by SPC Andrew K. made Oct 11 at 2018 7:04 AM

SPC Andrew K. — Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:04:05 -0400

Hell no. If you’ve not served it youse don’ts deserves it. Period

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2018 3:48 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 03:48:50 -0400

We should probably issue out Ranger tabs to everyone as well. Why wear rank? Someone might be offended because someone else has been in longer and got promoted first.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 1:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:44:01 -0400

No!!! This is the Army, no a liberal Pre-K, KG, or Yale University or such with “safe spaces”, puppies, kittens and coloring books for those who didn’t get deployed! Time to grow up, wake up, smell the coffee and acknowledge the facts of life! SMH! This is the weak thnking that makes us as a Military weak and into a (foul language withheld) joke in the eyes of the world! Need a trophy? Geesh!

Response by SSgt Stephen Child made Oct 17 at 2018 9:24 PM

SSgt Stephen Child — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:24:14 -0400

To anyone whose feel goods are hurt or offended by a combat patch, may I suggest you get psychological help because you have deeper issues that need to be addressed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2018 5:56 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:56:09 -0400

I feel proud of having earned my patch alone with my unit. Doing what i signed to do. Earning your patch it’s a proud thing that every soldier has of doing their job.

Response by SSG TracyScott Springer made Oct 20 at 2018 11:42 AM

SSG TracyScott Springer — Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:42:23 -0400

This is a question? Really? GTFO!

Response by SPC Phillip Anderson made Oct 21 at 2018 4:28 AM

SPC Phillip Anderson — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 04:28:55 -0400

What's next get rid of all badges and ribbons because not everyone can shoot expert or has the same awards?

Response by SPC Dave Sweet made Oct 21 at 2018 9:09 PM

SPC Dave Sweet — Sun, 21 Oct 2018 21:09:21 -0400

Since when has the military ever been concerned about hurting soldiers feelings? The newbies can earn their patches, medals and other qualification badges just like we did. None of this "we might offend them" crap.

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Oct 22 at 2018 12:41 AM

LTC Stephan Porter — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 00:41:08 -0400

So...

Should we have Purple Heart recipients remove the medal because other are jealous if the respect and special treatment many get???

Response by CPT Art Jacobs made Oct 22 at 2018 5:18 PM

CPT Art Jacobs — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:18:02 -0400

Are you friggin' kidding?!? Surely that questions has come from a millennial socialist still smarting from his embarrassing dodge ball performance where he missed out on receiving his "participation" trophy. Next these self-esteem progressives will suggest that you shouldn't wear your Airborne wings, Ranger tab, or CIB because their inadequacies would be further heightened. Hey, let's just let everyone join the military as a 4-star general, we can eliminate PT or any stressful activities, and we can add aroma therapy. It might also be helpful for these pansies if every night we all hold hands and sing gentle lullabies. Surely then the Chinese and The Russians would either immediately back down or join us in the new and enlightened touchy-feely world advocated by this naive idiot.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2018 3:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:44:48 -0400

I'm with the rest of the Combat Veterans and Active Duty on this. If the sensitive Lil fuck's want a patch they need to get the fuck out there and earn them like the rest of us.

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made Oct 23 at 2018 5:29 PM

GySgt Keith Rininger — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 17:29:24 -0400

I'm a retired Marine, and Marines don't have Combat Patches. We who were in combat are awarded the Combat Action Ribbon. However, the Army gets awards for just about everything imaginable, so just make a new one so your "Soldiers" have no hurt feelings. There is no such problem in the Corps.

Response by LTC Michael Hrycak made Oct 24 at 2018 8:55 AM

LTC Michael Hrycak — Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:55:50 -0400

I don't believe the AR that authorizes the combat patch should be ignored or abrogated. It goes without saying that new Soldiers who have never deployed cannot possibly expect to be able to wear anything on their right shoulder until they earn it, just as the rest of us have. Hurt feelings? Those that even repeat their concerns about being left out need to go back through leadership 101. Serving overseas in a combat zone deserves recognition and respect.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2018 1:20 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Oct 2018 01:20:35 -0400

If you earned it you deserve to display it

Response by PV2 George Wyckoff made Nov 1 at 2018 7:56 AM

PV2 George Wyckoff — Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:56:48 -0400

Wearing combat patches is both earned and authorized. Should a ranger tab be removed because someone doesn't have one? Airborne wings? Blue cord?

Response by SSG Jesse Garza made Nov 4 at 2018 10:07 PM

SSG Jesse Garza — Sun, 04 Nov 2018 22:07:24 -0500

Really

Response by SGT Ernest Huerta made Nov 6 at 2018 9:09 PM

SGT Ernest Huerta — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:09:41 -0500

"Should we remove combat patches to be sensitive...….?" The Army would do better to remove
the E1s and E2s who ARE THAT SENSITIVE! These people will prove to be useless after seeing "their" first DEAD BODY! I suppose pulling the trigger on their weapon at the KD Range and the resulting
noise and recoil will cause them to faint dead away. Lord, please protect our Combat Veterans, the
Old Pros who have done it all and seen it all. Some sad day when they have white beards down to their boots and are suffering the after-affects of a life spent Soldering to keep our nation safe nation,
some sad day these old As* Kickers may have to be recalled to plug the holes in The Army's Ranks.
But you can bet THEY WILL STILL BE MEAN SOBs!

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made Nov 15 at 2018 11:20 AM

PO3 Mike Hayden — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:20:41 -0500

I think to say crawl before you walk and walk before you run doesn't quit get it. I would say if they really want false valor then I don't want them beside me. Those patches are earned and if they are really so petty and self centered then that alone proves the point that they Do Not deserve it yet. Why is this even a blip on the screen, seems like these troopers need some PT so that they can refocus on reality and the gravity of their chosen path. Take them to a VA hospital let them see a different type of patch just to gain some perspective, I think that should be part of initial training anyway.

Response by PFC Leonard Malanche made Nov 15 at 2018 3:37 PM

PFC Leonard Malanche — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:37:22 -0500

they should not be removed, those that have them, earned them

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Nov 16 at 2018 5:05 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:05:32 -0500

Your Brigade is a bunch of Nancies. Are you going to remove your rank so soldiers aren't threatened by authority. How stupid is the new-army? I tell you what, anyone ordering the removal of CIBs is in for a fight.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Nov 16 at 2018 10:23 PM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:23:23 -0500

Seeing my team leader with a combat patch made me want to have one. And how special is it when you finally get one? Suck it up butter cup!

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Nov 18 at 2018 6:45 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:45:13 -0500

Suck it up to the new recruits. You wait around long enough and you will earn yours. I went to war. They said that since I was in the Big Red One I can wear the One on each side and that is my combat patch. Other then that I have none. Was a front line mechanic and fought in the war in 91.

Response by CW3 Lysle Seelig made Nov 19 at 2018 4:35 PM

CW3 Lysle Seelig — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:35:19 -0500

You're kidding, right? What has happened to our Army? When I was enlisted even if I did feel left out I wouldn't voice it. Has the Army become a bunch of P-whipped pansies? This PC crap is going to destroy us all!

Response by LTC Richard McClure made Nov 19 at 2018 7:14 PM

LTC Richard McClure — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:14:21 -0500

I earned mine, and will wear it. If you are that sensitive, you should probably be in the Air Force.

Response by SPC Corey Blue made Nov 19 at 2018 7:28 PM

SPC Corey Blue — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:28:06 -0500

What?! I am a slick sleeve and I don’t agree with that crap. This isn’t the Boy Scouts. If you want a patch then you gotta deploy like everyone to a combat theatere

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Nov 22 at 2018 9:49 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:49:55 -0500

How did I know just what branch of the military (military?) would be involved in this pathetic
garbage? Why not just wear jeans and a Tee shirt so civilians feelings will not be hurt. Bunch of butt hurt children. And I'm not talking about the brand new E-1's and E-2's. I have never heard such garbage until I joined a group that was multi branch. Hint. I do not hear this crap from the Navy. It makes me somewhat ashamed that we Marines poke fun at the Navy.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2018 1:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Nov 2018 01:00:56 -0500

There are Regulations Regarding badges, tabs, and the Combat Patch... if you have been awarded it, No one can make you remove it, except for certain schools/events. If someone try's to order you to remove it for any other reason it is an unlawful order... we had a soldier go to a school, I believe it was a MOS reclass, and the instructors tried to make the Soldier remove it. It started a HUGE ordeal, and after all the arguing, and bickering was done, our readiness/training NCO sent a copy of the reg, along with a copy of the orders awarding the patch to the school, and told them if they continued to try to make him remove it it would result in a IG, and Harassment complaint, the Soldier was allowed to wear it, and the NCO's/Officers who told him to remove it were Reprimanded

Response by SSG Harry Outcalt made Nov 24 at 2018 10:26 AM

SSG Harry Outcalt — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:26:44 -0500

Really this is a big deal in the Army now ??? 2 world wars, and countless conflicts . And someone is just now bothering to ask about a turtles feelings in regards to being in a ultimate skills test zone .... I think we are in serious trouble ....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2018 1:40 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:40:07 -0500

Lol hell no.. that's exactly why our nation is sinking. Everyone just wants everything to be handed to them just because. How the he'll does that even makes it right, do that then there's no honor or pride about the ones who actually endure the hardships and earn it.. Kids these days cry for every living things under the Sun when asked to do the simplest of tasks but wants to wear the patch.

Response by SFC Bob Hubbard made Nov 25 at 2018 2:14 PM

SFC Bob Hubbard — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:14:49 -0500

HELL NO! Some of us served, but we're never called on to deploy. My age was perfect - too young for Korea, too old for Nam - and thank a gracious GOD. But wear the.patch. They are patches of valor and respect. Hoooaaaaahhhh!!!

Response by SSgt Junior Hamilton made Nov 26 at 2018 9:12 AM

SSgt Junior Hamilton — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:12:34 -0500

It was earned, and these individuals have relevant experiences that the younger soldier and look to as some like them that can achieve. As a Marine, we don't have such patches on our Cammies (BDU's) just our dress uniforms, so this isn't a problem for my former branch.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Nov 26 at 2018 2:46 PM

SGT James Hunsinger — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:46:06 -0500

Are you F'ing shitting me!? Who gives a damn if the E-1s and E-2s "feel left out"! This is the f'ing Army not romper room! I can't even believe this would be a thought crossing any commanders mind. In fact, I think that commander should be relieved for such an action. No more progressive liberal BS in the military. They are turning our military into Barney and Friends rather than a bastion of global force projection and superior fire power! Tell Colonel Care Bear to start acting like he is in the Army and tell the E-1s and E-2s to get over it or get gone. So disgusted in regards to what is being done to our military.

Here is a novel thought. If they want a combat patch so bad...GO TO COMBAT!

Do they feel left out on the Purple Hearts as well?! Take them out back, shoot them all and give the survivors their Purple Hearts and combat patches!!!

Response by PVT Doc Blair made Nov 27 at 2018 8:45 AM

PVT Doc Blair — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:45:29 -0500

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Dec 1 at 2018 10:40 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 22:40:21 -0500

To be real if there is to be a removal of combat patches from uniforms, you'd have to remove the ribbons from class A dress uniforms. They signify that one has been in a combat zone, which is just about the same. I had a major who would always test me about the ribbons I earned. He was a missileer (SAC weenie). He was the squadron executive officer, with 12 years in service. So I say, let the combat patches and ribbons stay on the uniforms. If someone feels jealous, tough noogies. You'll earn yours one day.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Dec 6 at 2018 10:53 PM

CPT Jeff Robinette — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 22:53:45 -0500

BULLSHIT! You earned the Right to wear that patch. I was I. Grafenwohr Germany and was having a BS session with my Commander and First Sergeant. I have a little bit of a southern twang in my voice and Top asked me where I was from. I told him Warner Robins GA. From out of the blue he says that there was a big Air force base there. I said yes its Robins AFB and that my Dad retired from there. Then he surprises me he says he used to around that area quotes a bit in 63-65. Top wore a 1st Cav Combat Patch.
I tell him that I was in the 3rd Grade and every morning we would get a Morning Recess around 10 AM. An a couple of days a week we would see literally 100 helicopters fly in formation. From our left to Right. They flew close enough for us to see the soldiers hang their feet outside the open cargo doors.
The First Sergeant is getting kind of weird. He is paying a lot of attention to my little story from elementary School.
He tells me that we have something in common he could see us kids in the school yard as we watched the helicopters fly by. He was assigned to 1/7 Cav. He would fight at the Ia Drang.

Response by CSM John Nichols made Dec 8 at 2018 9:57 PM

CSM John Nichols — Sat, 08 Dec 2018 21:57:49 -0500

What’s next, take off our ribbons and medals we earned because they will feel intimidated??

Response by CW3 William Oxx made Dec 10 at 2018 8:59 AM

CW3 William Oxx — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:59:46 -0500

Hell NO! Those Combat Patches were earned. NO ONE has the authority to tell you that you have to remove them so some REMF won't get his/her feelings hurt. As long as it it covered in AR 670-1, wear them. Those patches show who has the experience and expertise for subordinates to look up to and know their leaders have been in the trenches and survived. I aleays felt more secure when my NCOs and Officers were combat veterans when we went into the field. I could always count on them to give us the benefit of there experience to teach us how to stay alive when the "BALLOON" went up.

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Dec 11 at 2018 10:15 AM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:15:03 -0500

I’m about to be very politically incorrect. If you’re sensitive and your feelings are hurt by comments, tough shit. Go tell mommy.

The “commander” (lowercase c was purely intentional) that issued this has got to be one of the greatest pussies to ever wear a uniform. I’ll add in the comment that the Spec 9 that works for him needs to be assigned to a dark corner, far away from Soldiers and promptly retired.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2018 7:56 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:56:49 -0500

That is insane. I don't believe this is true..

Response by CPL Chris Palmberg made Dec 17 at 2018 1:41 PM

CPL Chris Palmberg — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:41:22 -0500

While we're about it, next time you get in a fire fight, don't use bullets so the hostile who runs out of ammo doesn't feel bad about his trigger discipline. Just tell "PEW PEW PEW"

Response by SPC Robert Brummel made Dec 17 at 2018 2:03 PM

SPC Robert Brummel — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:03:29 -0500

Probably a bunch of slack jawed
Faggot national guards

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2018 1:30 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:30:36 -0500

This question HAS to be a joke? Right? Just has to be.

Response by LTC Byron Smith made Dec 20 at 2018 11:22 PM

LTC Byron Smith — Thu, 20 Dec 2018 23:22:02 -0500

I spent 34 years in the Army, Guard & Reserve... never in a combat unit. I don't wear any unit patch on my right arm and neither should anyone else who has not qualified for it. They wear the current unit patchh on the left shoulder and can wear one on the right shoulder... AFTER... they earn it... properly!

Response by FN Charles Sproles Ŧ made Dec 25 at 2018 4:51 PM

FN Charles Sproles Ŧ — Tue, 25 Dec 2018 16:51:52 -0500

That patch would have motivated me to earn my own...

Response by PO2 Paul Pender made Dec 29 at 2018 6:55 AM

PO2 Paul Pender — Sat, 29 Dec 2018 06:55:53 -0500

I am not jealous of anyone who served in a war zone. I spent 20 years in the Navy and never served in combat. Does that make me less of Veteran or Retiree? No, it doesn’t

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Dec 30 at 2018 10:54 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 30 Dec 2018 22:54:02 -0500

What has the military become.? Why would anyone not want to not show they are a combat veteran so as to not hurt someone else feelings. If you have walked the walk then you can talk the talk. Those who have not, need to know who has been there and done that. They need to know who knows what they are talking about and who is pounding sand. Give me a break, not a feel good

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2018 6:03 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 06:03:16 -0500

No, No, and NO!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2019 12:45 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:45:36 -0500

The soldiers that have combat patches have earned them! I personally have not deployed and don’t feel left out at all! I actually look up to my fellow soldiers who have their combat patches when they provide input in cases where their experience is crucial for decisions to be made and weigh their input appropriately. Everyone has different experiences and backgrounds that support the team. Use your team members strengths to strengthen the team and make the most reasonable decisions.

Response by CW4 Eric Clayton made Jan 6 at 2019 9:13 PM

CW4 Eric Clayton — Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:13:24 -0500

As the late Whitney Houston once said “hell to tha no!” Good luck trying to get me to remove my FWS-SSI. ( 101st Abn). I earned it and a CAB, so if you want you can try and tell it off but we’ll both get busted for assault. You taking my patch off and me for knocking you the heck out.

Response by SFC James Welch made Jan 7 at 2019 2:23 PM

SFC James Welch — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 14:23:40 -0500

Your kidding right? If you’ve fought in a unit and earned a Combat patch, wear it proudly. Sensitivity training is bullshit. You don’t have to be “sensitive “ treat others they way you want to be treated. Your job is to kill the enemy! Treat your fellow Soldiers with honor and respect. The rest will take care of itself!

Response by SPC John Swann made Jan 8 at 2019 12:57 PM

SPC John Swann — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 12:57:24 -0500

Everyone who has earned they should be able to wear them. Leave that policy in place. I personally was never in combat and never expected to wear a patch I didn't earn.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 9:45 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:45:45 -0500

To hell with there hurt feelings, just like all things in the Army feelings weren't issued to them so get the fuck over it shit bags

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2019 12:34 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 00:34:20 -0500

I’m an E-2 reservist and this has to be joke. Higher ups need to stop listening to junior enlisted who just joined and doesn’t know anything about the military besides what they were taught in AIT/BCT.

Response by SPC Edward Jetmore made Jan 14 at 2019 12:42 AM

SPC Edward Jetmore — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 00:42:10 -0500

I am a veteran who never deployed to a combat area and was never authorized to wear a combat patch. I feel those who were there and earned them should get to wear them no matter what. Taking that honor away from them would be like making someone who earned a purple heart or bronze or silver star take them off because othwrs hadn't gotten one.
Someone said it earlier and I agree.
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP!!

Response by SPC Nancy Detwiler made Jan 14 at 2019 5:27 AM

SPC Nancy Detwiler — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 05:27:34 -0500

Seriously? If someone has been in combat, they deserve the right to wear that combat patch! I didn’t have the opportunity when I was in, but had, and still have the utmost respect for those who’ve earned that right. If someone in the military is “offended” by the presence of a warrior, they don’t need to be in the military.

Response by SGT Westley Sikich made Jan 14 at 2019 9:53 AM

SGT Westley Sikich — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:53:55 -0500

Combat patches are earned. That is taking away someones accomplishments to make others feel better or equal. Okay lets take away rank than because it probably offends an E-1 that he is not an E-8. SMH I can't believe this.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Jan 14 at 2019 11:59 AM

LTC Ronald Stephens — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:59:09 -0500

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Jan 14 at 2019 4:22 PM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:22:56 -0500

Hell no! If you've been there and done that, then you have EARNED the patch, and should wear it! Just like anything else, if you Want it??? You WORK for it. It's the military, .... NOT an entitlement program like food stamps

Response by SGT Randy Bordner made Jan 14 at 2019 7:47 PM

SGT Randy Bordner — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:47:45 -0500

No, No, No

Response by SGT Randy Bordner made Jan 14 at 2019 7:47 PM

SGT Randy Bordner — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:47:58 -0500

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made Jan 15 at 2019 3:03 AM

SP5 Jeannie Carle — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 03:03:36 -0500

I was never in combat but my ex was (VN) and he was right proud of all the stuff he wore - and RIGHTFULLY so! I should have taken off my Sp5 because it offended a PFC? I THINK NOT!

Response by SPC Joel Sietz made Jan 15 at 2019 8:28 AM

SPC Joel Sietz — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:28:19 -0500

Why would anyone even ask this question. I was drafted in 1966 and was discharged in 1968. I was in Transportation and was in the 563rd TC in Vietnam from 1966-1967 in the Central Highlands. Everyone’s job is important. Remember if it wasn't for the troops in the rear the combat troops couldn’t do their jobs.
In Transportation we moved everything that the combat troops needed to do their jobs. We moved food, medical supplies, ammo etc.
I was with the 54th Transportation Battalion. We drove from the Port of Qui Nhon to Phu Car, An Khe and Pleiku among other areas. From 1966 to 1967 we drive more than 1,320,000 miles and moved 80,000 tons of cargo.
Everyone should reithat during WW II we had the Red Ball Express that moved supplies to the front line troops that needed 700-750 tons a day to do their job.
I am proud of what the troopyin The Transportation Companies did.

Response by SSG Ronald Hinze made Jan 15 at 2019 12:37 PM

SSG Ronald Hinze — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:37:32 -0500

If you've "been there, done that" then yes wear that combat patch with pride. If the newbies have hurt feelings... tough. Eventually their time will come.

Response by Dee Francis made Jan 15 at 2019 12:57 PM

Dee Francis — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:57:22 -0500

This is not T- ball or kindergarden, you earned the patch wear it proudly. Give the newbie something to work for. Thats whats wrong with today generstion, they want every thing handed to them. Remember the Ant and the Grasshopper story. Don't remove any earned patch, or next they will cry about not having as many ribbons, are you willing to remove them so everyones uniforms is the same? I think not!

Response by SSG Kevin Holt made Jan 15 at 2019 1:10 PM

SSG Kevin Holt — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:10:42 -0500

We are really asking this question?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 3:31 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 15:31:46 -0500

There is no damn reason to keep someone from wearing something they we awarded. That’s like telling someone they can’t wear a valor award because not everyone has one. If that’s a real thing that happened that commander should have been put in check by his 1sg or CSM. This is how you raise weak soldiers who will never want to earn anything more then a paycheck from the Army.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 5:56 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:56:50 -0500

I’m not sure what bothers me more: this question, or that an E8 asked it. How can a Private ever aspire to achieve anything if more seasoned Soldiers remove items from their uniforms in order to make them feel special?

Response by SGT Montana Crawford made Jan 15 at 2019 6:41 PM

SGT Montana Crawford — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:41:00 -0500

Fake issue made up to rail on the younger generation. That's why the question says the order was issued by Major Anonymous at Fort Imaginary. Stop baiting, you're triggering old people.

Response by COL Jason Woodford made Jan 16 at 2019 9:42 AM

COL Jason Woodford — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:42:29 -0500

The soldiers recently returning from deployment are NOT responsible for the feelings of these younger/newer soldiers just arriving at the unit. If they want one, there are ample opportunities to either deploy with their unit, ask to tack on to another sister unit headed downrange, or go on a WIAS tasker. These returning soldiers earned their right side patches and should be allowed to wear them. Their unit leadership should understand this and not be putting out stupid policies like this.

Response by COL Jason Woodford made Jan 16 at 2019 9:44 AM

COL Jason Woodford — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:44:55 -0500

Response by Sgt Jude Eschete made Jan 16 at 2019 11:35 AM

Sgt Jude Eschete — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:35:13 -0500

That's like asking someone not to wear personal awards, If that command actually sanctioned that order, then they are pieces of shit.

Response by PO1 Noel Ochoa made Jan 16 at 2019 1:51 PM

PO1 Noel Ochoa — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:51:29 -0500

Everything is earned... Those who have earned should not be punished for those who haven't... EX:.(Rich people's massive accounts hurt my feelings therefore they must get rid of it to make me feel better?)

Response by PO1 Noel Ochoa made Jan 16 at 2019 1:57 PM

PO1 Noel Ochoa — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:57:14 -0500

Everything is earned.. If you earned it then you should proudly display it.. No worries to those who do not have combat experience... The call will come. Just be ready.... (Rich people's bank accounts hurt my feelings.. They should get get rid of it because it hurts my feelings AND i feel left out..)...

Response by SSgt Dennis Brown made Jan 16 at 2019 2:20 PM

SSgt Dennis Brown — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:20:41 -0500

I agree... These buttercups are coming from the everybody gets a trophy generation... And real life is not like that... You want one.... In time you'll friggin earn the privilege of wearing one

Response by SSgt Rodney Gerdes made Jan 16 at 2019 6:22 PM

SSgt Rodney Gerdes — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:22:46 -0500

The awards earned should be shown.

Response by SFC Matt Creath made Jan 16 at 2019 6:55 PM

SFC Matt Creath — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:55:05 -0500

Are you kidding me?!?!

Response by SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) made Jan 16 at 2019 7:03 PM

SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:03:08 -0500

Response by SMSgt Roy Dowdy made Jan 16 at 2019 9:54 PM

SMSgt Roy Dowdy — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 21:54:05 -0500

Absolutely not!

Response by LTC David Harrison made Jan 16 at 2019 11:37 PM

LTC David Harrison — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:37:53 -0500

Using that same logic, remove ALL awards from the uniform, take down all certificates and awards from the walls.....let's just go ahead and remove rank too.
Let's ALL be equal and let everyone have the same pay, the same authority, the same scores, the same everything.
Glad I'm retired, I would definitely be disciplined for not removing my patch. If the regulation authorizes it, the Commander can't override the uniform regulation and design his own regulations regarding uniform wear.
What a bunch of whiny, crybaby losers. Suck it up POS!

Response by SPC Kenneth Landay made Jan 17 at 2019 7:52 AM

SPC Kenneth Landay — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:52:20 -0500

How about stop indoctrinating Cultural Marxism's "Toxic Masculinity" within our society here in the United States!

Response by SP5 Anthony Whitley made Jan 17 at 2019 10:54 AM

SP5 Anthony Whitley — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:54:40 -0500

No you should not. You earned them, you should wear them with pride and honor. Their time will come then they will have the honor to wear one too. I personally looked up to the guys wearing them and took what they taught seriously. They were my lead NCO'S and i respected them.

Response by PFC David Gladwill made Jan 17 at 2019 11:14 AM

PFC David Gladwill — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:14:43 -0500

Just because you’re in , you don’t get a trophy, you have to earn it.

Response by Ralph Howard made Jan 17 at 2019 11:57 AM

Ralph Howard — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:57:38 -0500

...it would not be a respectful action to prohibit proper display of awards...

Response by SSG Doug Terrel made Jan 17 at 2019 12:26 PM

SSG Doug Terrel — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:26:23 -0500

This participation trophy thing is getting way out of hand. The combat patch is a way that Soldiers can show pride in the unit they deployed with, but private wants to cry like a baby because he gets called "slick." At some point, are we going to make people who have 6 or more rows of awards on their chest in Blues reduce it to their favorite 4 rows of awards because private only has one row and it makes them feel inferior? I need this generation to get tougher, as the mentally portion of "physically and mentally tough" seems to be just gone. I blame TRADOC for this. Private should have been hardened before they came to their units.

Response by SFC Mathew Roed made Jan 17 at 2019 3:05 PM

SFC Mathew Roed — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:05:09 -0500

Prime example of why the military should not be used to pay for college.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Harper made Jan 17 at 2019 3:34 PM

SSG Jeffrey Harper — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:34:57 -0500

This is about the stupidest shit I have ever heard. I can’t wear my Combat patch cause new troop haven’t gotten them yet? GTFOH Man!! This is what the Army has came to!!

Response by SSG Jeffrey Harper made Jan 17 at 2019 3:42 PM

SSG Jeffrey Harper — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:42:26 -0500

I had a 1sg tell me that I couldn’t wear my Combat patch of another unit other than the one i was with. I told he hell no I wasn’t changing it. I deployed with the Special Ops and I have 3 Combat patch’s with them and I was proud of it but I wasn’t taking it off!!

Response by SGT Ed Stokes made Jan 17 at 2019 3:48 PM

SGT Ed Stokes — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:48:52 -0500

Let the snowflakes earn it

Response by SSG Jeffrey Harper made Jan 17 at 2019 3:50 PM

SSG Jeffrey Harper — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:50:13 -0500

This is just like someone with no Combat experience telling me what I need to do to get to deploy and what to expect but they don’t have the combat experience to tell me anything.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2019 4:38 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:38:23 -0500

Absolutely not!

I think getting combat patches are an important rite of passage for Soldiers, much like the CIB, CAB, Airborne and Air Assault badge, etc.

Response by CW5 Bob Gowin made Jan 17 at 2019 6:01 PM

CW5 Bob Gowin — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:26 -0500

So eliminate all awards, decorations, rank I’d? Can’t wait to tell a General his/her star (stars) have to go cause I don’t have em.

Response by SPC Maria LaMont made Jan 17 at 2019 6:17 PM

SPC Maria LaMont — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:17:43 -0500

NO WAY!!!!!! This is absolutely ridiculous. That deployment patch is earned, so what if these new age privates don't have one! They haven't earned it yet! They will get over it!

Response by SGT Randall .jay Gamble made Jan 17 at 2019 7:44 PM

SGT Randall .jay Gamble — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:44:51 -0500

keep it wtf these men and women have earned this right , man is our army falling apart
hurt

Response by SGT Randall .jay Gamble made Jan 17 at 2019 7:46 PM

SGT Randall .jay Gamble — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:46:36 -0500

wtf are you kidding me ,

Response by PO2 Doug Lea made Jan 17 at 2019 11:34 PM

PO2 Doug Lea — Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:34:39 -0500

Combat patches are dedication to Conrads losses in battle. If you don’t have one consider yourself lucky and feel blessed that you have not have go through the initiation to get one.

Response by 1SG Richard Maliszewski made Jan 18 at 2019 5:23 AM

1SG Richard Maliszewski — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:23:13 -0500

WTF this is a slap im the face to all those who earned the. Even money says this policy was thought up by some POSS who never got close to earning their own combat patch.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Jan 18 at 2019 9:34 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 09:34:43 -0500

During WW1 Blackjack Pershing ordered the Marines in theater to remove their EGA's so that the press corps couldn't tell the Marines from his soldiers, because the people at home were becoming huge Marine fans...His soldiers, however, maintained their 'patches'. That was pure sour grapes then as this question is now. "Offended" is such a whiney, wimpy word. Got a good reason? State it. If it simply offends you, then guess what buttercup....earn one yourself.

Response by SFC Leroy Williams made Jan 18 at 2019 10:44 AM

SFC Leroy Williams — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:44:01 -0500

The patch maybe the only award for combat service that some earn. Not all service gets a service ribbon, or a CIB.

Response by SGT Gary Heffner made Jan 18 at 2019 10:48 AM

SGT Gary Heffner — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:48:19 -0500

There's an easy fix for not having a combat patch!

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jan 18 at 2019 2:05 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:05:55 -0500

No.

Response by SPC Gary Pranzo made Jan 18 at 2019 4:24 PM

SPC Gary Pranzo — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 16:24:49 -0500

I see this an old post but for reason RallyPoint included in an email but it cannot be true , No details are included to assist in corroborating this. The story is designed to get people angry for no reason and looking at this it worked. Why would Rallypoint promote this. The suggestion is that today's soldiers are not as tough as we were years ago and I know some young soldiers and they are as much soldiers as we ever were. When I joined in the 80's and served in the 101'st so many of my sergeants and officers served in Viet Nam and had combat patches and numerous other medals and I or any other new soldiers never had any problem with that in fact It made us proud to serve under them and relieved that when we deployed for war we had leaders that had experience in combat and knew the gravity of their decisions. I would never actually see combat but I did deploy in a war mission years later "Desert Storm" and even though I knew I might see combat I felt good that so many in charge of my unit had those patches as I knew I had the best chance of getting through it with them. If you are authorized to wear a combat patch wear it proud and know it makes new recruits feel better not worse.

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Jan 18 at 2019 5:19 PM

1SG Chad Mcdaniel — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:19:52 -0500

Are we seriously going to entertain the participation award and everyone gets a trophy era? It isn't enough they receive the National Defense ribbon just for coming in the Army during the conflict, now they cry because we earned a patch on our right shoulder for actually deploying to said conflict areas. Looks like I retired at the right time. I hope SMA Daily is looking into this.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Jan 18 at 2019 5:43 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:43:21 -0500

That has got to be one of the most ludicrous requests I have ever read. If I were required to take off everything I wear on my uniform, just because some other Soldier doesn't have the same experience that I do, I would have a blank uniform, with a single rainbow ribbon to show I graduated from Basic.
The uniform tells your story, it shows others what they could aspire to, or give them goals. It's motivation.
Now, if you ask me whether a Soldier who spent his entire deployment in Kuwait during OIF/OEF, should remove his/her combat patch??? I would say damn straight.

Response by SPC Steven Garcia made Jan 18 at 2019 11:26 PM

SPC Steven Garcia — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 23:26:43 -0500

They should remove those without a combat patch, that way they'll be sensitive towards those of us that earned the right to wear a combat patch.

Response by SGT Joe Lombardi made Jan 19 at 2019 9:58 AM

SGT Joe Lombardi — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:58:58 -0500

Most stupid thing I've heard lately. Better break out the pink berets.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2019 12:33 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:33:18 -0500

Absolutely ridiculous. This is how the military works. Don't like it? You should not have signed up. What kind of stupid reduction of military tradition, code, ethics, standard, regulatory guidance is this coming to?

This is all summed up in one word: "Stupid."

Response by SP6 Shawn Lee made Jan 19 at 2019 1:47 PM

SP6 Shawn Lee — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:47:13 -0500

Your feelings do not override the regulations, I didn't see combat until my 19th year in the military whereas a lot of my peers did and there was no crying involved. Wait your turn just like everybody else if you didn't participate you don't wear one it's as simple as that.

Response by SGT William Perez made Jan 19 at 2019 6:09 PM

SGT William Perez — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 18:09:43 -0500

When I was an E nothing nothing gave me more motivation than seeing those who return from battle with honors. Absolutely not the place to worry about someones feeling these are the things the military strengthens because feelings will get you killed.

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Jan 19 at 2019 7:01 PM

SPC Bryan Gustafson — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:01:41 -0500

What next?! Force jump qualified soldiers on Ft. Bragg not to wear their jump wings because there are some "legs" on post? How ludicrous!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2019 7:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:24:07 -0500

Wait...what?! How is this a thing? What's next, feeling left out for qualifying marksman instead of expert?

Response by PFC Dennis Jackson made Jan 20 at 2019 3:39 AM

PFC Dennis Jackson — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 03:39:18 -0500

I was a Paratrooper, would they take that away as well?? WHINERS??!! Grow a life!!

Response by SSG Randall Ford made Jan 20 at 2019 4:11 AM

SSG Randall Ford — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 04:11:00 -0500

I say they earned them yet some get the privilage even if no where close to any action. First responders see a different action such as EMS, Firemen , Military police, that take several risks and injuries but no recognition. Officers all get things for just passing gas and say yes sir. Air Force can join and go from Basic Training to a thirty year retirement at that same base never having left the base ever. Being up to a senior grade and a chest full of ribbon s and for what? The spouse going to the tea his wife the commanders have had. Making it to morning coffee and every group gathering for afternoon drinks. There are very few that actually do much of anything worth while.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2019 9:39 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:39:13 -0500

This story gets circulated a lot, and I'm pretty sure it's fake. Someone probably made it up just to give sm's a reason to thrash new recruits.

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Jan 20 at 2019 11:12 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 11:12:39 -0500

First of all, welcome to the unit private, respect is earned, not given. Go through combat, earn your patch, and you’ll understand what it means and why I feel the way I do, when I hear you sniveling about “it’s not fair”

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2019 12:28 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 12:28:29 -0500

Easy on air force. Just because they dont issue a combat badge like the army. We do serve in same wars and conflicts and earn medals as well as our brethren in other services. I know we poke fun at each other. Dont remove what has been there as part of a uniform because people feel excluded. As you said. Go earn it

Response by SGM Mary Angelo-Roberts made Jan 20 at 2019 2:53 PM

SGM Mary Angelo-Roberts — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 14:53:27 -0500

Hell no! Soldiers identify through out their careers by patches. Everyone, if they are committed and serve will have some patch. If You want whine you don't have patches then get out and be a civilian.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Jan 20 at 2019 3:57 PM

SFC Francisco Rosario — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 15:57:27 -0500

The use of a combat patch has nothing to do with a new recruit feeling left out. Feelings have nothing to do with it, if that were the case then lets take away every MSM because not everyone has one and we dont want them to FEEL left out.

These new Soldiers didnt go through what the rest of the unit went through to earn that combat patch. They just need to grow up and be more though-skinned. Just my opinion.

Response by SGM Gregory Miller made Jan 20 at 2019 4:03 PM

SGM Gregory Miller — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:03:28 -0500

I find it very hard to believe a MSG asked this question. Maybe take off your rank because someone else doesn’t have as many stripes?

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Jan 20 at 2019 4:57 PM

Sgt Neil Foster — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:57:08 -0500

I wasn't in the Army, I was Air Force.

I was injured in the line of duty incident. While it would have been cool to ge a purple heart, I was not injured in combat. Does that mean that I should be offended by service members who received a Purple Heart? HELL NO! Those individuals EARNED the patches and medals they wear. These crybabies need to to STFU

If someone is such a wuss that seeing the patches is offensive, they are too stupid and self-centered to be in the military

Response by SPC Trina Cox made Jan 20 at 2019 6:11 PM

SPC Trina Cox — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 18:11:17 -0500

Combat patches are earned people should be able to wear them with pride

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2019 7:56 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jan 2019 19:56:14 -0500

I can’t believe questions like this are even being asked here.

Response by SP5 Anthony Orifici made Jan 21 at 2019 6:22 AM

SP5 Anthony Orifici — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 06:22:10 -0500

What kind of pathetic FNG horseshit is this ? Should they take off their CIB's too ? You want a Combat Patch ? Get your ass in the grass ( Sand for you FNGs....I'm a Vietnam Vet) and earn one ! This snowflake shit has to stop somewhere ! What Chickenshit Officer came up with this one ? I served from 1966 to 1970, Vietnam Service July 67 to November 68. And in my Army, E1s and E2s saluted telephone poles, polished Fire hydrants spent mots of their day stuttering and in the front leaning rest position and nobody gave a Rat's ass about their feelings and that included me when I was one. So now they want Warriors to remove the pride of their Combat Service so as to not 'Hurt Their Feelings' ? God Help Us All !!!

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 21 at 2019 11:16 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:16:37 -0500

No offense, this is totally contradictory to the reason for patches to begin with. Young Soldiers are to be told and briefed this as part of unit lineage and history. The patch instills a sense of pride, honor and duty to country. This is PC gone wild. Thank you all for your service.

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Jan 21 at 2019 11:32 AM

MSG Reid Zohfeld — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:32:59 -0500

I have not deployed to a combat zone My job was train the units that did I did this job very successfully considering every one came back
That being said I had a son in Afganistan and I had one in Iraq at the same time so they both have combat patches and I do not
Should I have them take theirs off when I am around Hell Absolutely Not
I am proud of my boys and they are proud of me so I will reiterate a line from before
Suck It Up Buttercup

Response by MAJ David Foley made Jan 22 at 2019 5:53 PM

MAJ David Foley — Tue, 22 Jan 2019 17:53:34 -0500

The Army did the same thing before. Give everyone a beret so that they can feel special too! How did that work out?

Response by SGT Zach Jackson made Jan 22 at 2019 9:18 PM

SGT Zach Jackson — Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:18:55 -0500

Fuck no, I've been out for 9 years. These pansies can boot up or back out, ft Jackson grads

Response by SPC Dale Perry made Jan 23 at 2019 10:47 AM

SPC Dale Perry — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:47:28 -0500

We that have a combat patch earned it it is like jump wing and air assault wings those who have them earned them so suck it up and drive on new bees

Response by SPC Tim Cook made Jan 23 at 2019 7:46 PM

SPC Tim Cook — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:46:35 -0500

Absolutely not. We've been through this before. I enlisted in 85' when there were still many Vietnam Vets glaring down at us peons. Were we jealous of their their patches, hash marks, and fruit salad? Hell yeah. But did it offend us, and make us look for a safe place? Hell no! It made us listen to what they had to say, and strive to be better soldiers. If for no other reason so that they would stop making us look for lost grid squares and blinker fluid.

Response by HN James Rudin made Jan 23 at 2019 11:30 PM

HN James Rudin — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:30:39 -0500

Tell those little bitches to earn their keep instead of thinking that they'll get participation ribbons.

Response by SGM Robert Mullikin made Jan 24 at 2019 12:04 PM

SGM Robert Mullikin — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:04:22 -0500

Seriously? These patches are EARNED! If it makes young troops "uncomfortable" then send them home to their "safe spaces"!! Snowflakes!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2019 8:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:32:26 -0500

give it a couple years, you'll earn one

Response by SGT Stan Setliff made Feb 4 at 2019 7:00 AM

SGT Stan Setliff — Mon, 04 Feb 2019 07:00:06 -0500

I do not have one. But I would never deny that honor to those that have earned it. As Mel said, "Suck it up buttercup".

Response by SFC Matthew Pehler made Feb 5 at 2019 4:34 PM

SFC Matthew Pehler — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 16:34:58 -0500

This is the most rediculous things I’ve ever read. Why in the hell would one even consider removing the patches. I recall my early years when the Vietnam veterans had combat patches, this was viewed with respect and reward for their sacrifices and the same should be true today. These young private’s should show respect for the combat veterans of all wars and shut their mouths. If they feel left out do something other then wine. This is a total sign of liberalism going to far! I will never remove my patch from my uniform as it still hangs in my closet bearing all my awards and citations 28 years after my retirement!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2019 6:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 18:13:16 -0500

I have been deployed twice and I have earned my patch. If your butt hurt cause you dont have one ask for a deployment. Syria can use extra help along with Afghanistan. The fighting is fine come on in.

Response by PFC Jack Bramblett made Feb 9 at 2019 10:07 AM

PFC Jack Bramblett — Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:07:17 -0500

Are you kidding me? This has got to be a joke. If someone has their feelings hurt then they need to go back home so they can suck on mommies tits. This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. These are the kind of people that need to be discharged. Their kind of thinking will get someone killed if they ever do end up in a combat zone. I can't say enough about how self centered and petty this is. You are there to do what is required of you and if you can't handle that then get the @#$% out. Like the guy said in original statement. If you want one, then go out and EARN one. This has to be some kind of communist idea to weaken the spirit of the troops. Well screw the damn commies and this idea of being oppressed. This really pisses me off. Maybe I should tell you how I really feel. Kiss my ass MF.

Response by MAJ Dean Thompson made Feb 13 at 2019 5:44 PM

MAJ Dean Thompson — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:44:44 -0500

Sure, go ahead and cut off your gonads also, just in case it offends someone without them!

Response by SPC W. Neil Cantor made Feb 14 at 2019 3:52 AM

SPC W. Neil Cantor — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 03:52:09 -0500

No, don't remove your legacy. I saw many with combat unit patches and that was during the end of Vietnam. Didn't affect me. They earned that right to wear that unit emblem and nobody has the right to tell them they can't wear it!

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Feb 14 at 2019 8:17 AM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 08:17:54 -0500

Let's also remove rank so slick sleeves don't feel inadequate while in the company of a MSgt. Anyone that wins a Silver Star of CMH shouldn't wear them so those of us that have never gone above and beyond don't feel bad. While we're at it let's stop training in the rain so all these candy-asses don't disolve. Aren't combat patches a required to wear if earned item? How can some desk-jockey order that regulations be ignored?

Response by SGT Andrew Mace made Feb 14 at 2019 3:53 PM

SGT Andrew Mace — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:53:35 -0500

When I went in there were plenty of NCO's and some officers that had combat patches and I never felt left out. Nobody in their right mind would ever want to go to combat just to get a patch! Those that were deployed should wear their patch with pride and not give a rats ass what some E1 and/or E2 snowflake thinks!

Response by PO2 Ken Derickson made Feb 14 at 2019 7:18 PM

PO2 Ken Derickson — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:18:29 -0500

Absolutely not!! Whatever happened to providing incentives to perform better and rewards based on merit rather than sensitivity? BCT should be demoted and assigned to latrine duty since his progressive actions are latrine worthy. If I perform better than someone else and do more than someone else, I sure as hell don't want them to be getting the same rewards and recognition. I had enough of that nonsense when I worked as a civilian for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The military should not be enlisting people who are more worried about their feelings than building their skills, being part of a team, and being ready to lay down their life for country and their team mates. People like this are dangerous on a battlefield and to the esprit de corps and should not even be in the military.

Response by TSgt S N made Feb 14 at 2019 11:34 PM

TSgt S N — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 23:34:26 -0500

“Feelings, nothing more than feelings...”. What a song!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2019 4:29 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 04:29:56 -0500

No because it motivates young soldiers to want to serve in theater to earn theirs. Unlike the pogues hiding out in the Pentagon, TRADOC, etc... Otherwise, what's the point of joining combat MOS/CMFs like 11B infantry, armor, etc... Might as well take away Combat Infantry Badges/CAB, EIB also. Right? Wrong! You need to keep these uniform accouterments as it signifies what these soldiers have earned so they can be proud of themselves for earning these and be able to wear it on the uniform at the same time. Combat patch(es) is the perfect example.

Response by SGT Michael Leahey made Feb 15 at 2019 8:28 AM

SGT Michael Leahey — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:28:42 -0500

Combat patch earned is a combat patch worn. When I came in we had Viet Nam combat troops and no one said a thing because we knew it was earned and respected.

Response by CPL Stephen Patterson made Feb 15 at 2019 10:48 AM

CPL Stephen Patterson — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:48:43 -0500

Hell no

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Feb 15 at 2019 11:37 AM

1SG Dale Cantrell — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:37:33 -0500

Never, you earned it, wear it proudly. It inspires younger troops. But if you do have one , now days You could have personal issues

Response by SP5 Billy Duncan made Feb 15 at 2019 1:06 PM

SP5 Billy Duncan — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:06:36 -0500

A combat patch is an elite symbol of those who served, a band of brothers and sisters of that timed served as well

Response by MAJ Fred Peterman made Feb 15 at 2019 3:15 PM

MAJ Fred Peterman — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:15:45 -0500

I didn't have a combat patch. Instead I had Air Force Wings. Basic Crewmember and Flight Nurse Wings. I earned them. My Soldiers knew I earned them. My soldiers wore their combat patches. Of course they wore them.

Response by PO3 Kenny Mealer made Feb 15 at 2019 10:17 PM

PO3 Kenny Mealer — Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:17:12 -0500

No!!! We earned them.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Feb 16 at 2019 2:44 AM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 02:44:44 -0500

Not only no but FUCK NO! Never be ashamed of what you've earned and never hide it for anyone.
I served 1982-1985, Cold War no combat... never got called. I earned one ribbon (Sea Service Deployment), I'm no less of a Marine, just had different experiences during my tour. You want combat patches? Quit being a whiny bitch and go earn 'em!

Response by CPL Ronald Coleman made Feb 16 at 2019 6:00 AM

CPL Ronald Coleman — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 06:00:43 -0500

Not just no but Hell No!

Response by SPC Ron Salsbury made Feb 16 at 2019 6:57 AM

SPC Ron Salsbury — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 06:57:35 -0500

It just kills me to see Politically Correct questions like this on Rally Point. Why do we feel we need to cater to a bunch of snot nosed, cry baby, bed wetters for not having a combat patch. I used to look up to those guys before earning mine as an inspiration of courage, and commitment to my brothers in arms. I aspired to be like them, proud and honored yet quiet and humble; next these Troops are going to want "Participation Medals" for learning to tie their boots with the laces crossing right over left from Basic Training.

Response by SPC Anthony Caliguiri made Feb 16 at 2019 9:35 AM

SPC Anthony Caliguiri — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:35:53 -0500

Fuck off!!!!

Response by SPC Terry Williamson made Feb 16 at 2019 11:49 AM

SPC Terry Williamson — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:49:57 -0500

When I served in the early 80s our right patch wearers we're Vietnam vets and we looked to them for their been there done that leadership , these men and women need to be respected and valued for their one of a kind experience. My biggest prayer was that I would never have to earn one but if that was what was necessary I wanted them beside me to guide and lead me through the valley .

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2019 8:02 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:02:37 -0500

This sickens me.

Response by SSG Rob Clouse made Feb 16 at 2019 8:08 PM

SSG Rob Clouse — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:08:09 -0500

This must come from the same sad ass POGs that wanted the CAB because they couldn't get the CIB

Response by PO3 Rod Arnold made Feb 16 at 2019 10:59 PM

PO3 Rod Arnold — Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:59:45 -0500

You gotta be kidding me. Who would even think of doing that? They deserve to wear their patches, they Earned Them!!!
I'm I supposed to not wear the ribbons and metals I was awarded because it might hurt some snowflakes feelings?
"Hell No"

Response by SGT Ken Lawson-Williams made Feb 17 at 2019 2:28 AM

SGT Ken Lawson-Williams — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 02:28:52 -0500

Do mean the CIB, CMB, CAB????? Or the unit patches on the arm they saw combat with but are no longer in?

The CIB, CMB, CAB should definitely stay. In fact I am not sure they can be ordered removed. The other, meh, you are in a different unit now.

Response by SPC Kayla Taylor made Feb 17 at 2019 3:22 AM

SPC Kayla Taylor — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 03:22:57 -0500

This is disgusting. How did this even get posted?

Response by SP5 John Rego made Feb 17 at 2019 4:07 AM

SP5 John Rego — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:07:04 -0500

Bullshit.
Those whom have earned the combat patch have every reason to wear and be proud as hell to do so.

Response by SGT Dwight Proud made Feb 17 at 2019 9:18 AM

SGT Dwight Proud — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 09:18:41 -0500

Are you fucking kidding me get the politic out of the military.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Feb 17 at 2019 2:16 PM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:16:04 -0500

Not just no, but Hell no.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2019 3:02 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:02:03 -0500

I suppose everyone ought to remove their decorations and awards and qualification badges and tabs, so those without them don't feel bad about not having earned any of those either. Sheesh. What's next, everyone gets a Ranger tab because it makes them feel better about themselves? Oh wait, didn't the Army do that with the Ranger's beret.... JMTC as a POG who has not deployed OCONUS and salutes those who have.

Response by MAJ Doug Mattox made Feb 17 at 2019 8:52 PM

MAJ Doug Mattox — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:52:42 -0500

There are several thoughts that go through my head when this question comes up. First, this is not an organization where everyone gets a trophy. 2nd, not everyone was in an assignment to deploy or their skills were needed elsewhere. There is no shame in doing what is demanded of you. You were/are just as important doing your duty no matter where you asked to serve. During Vietnam, there were many soldiers who were deployed to Europe. Their deployment was vital in the overall picture. 3rd I saw several officers who came to Iraq while I was there, just to get their ticket for promotion. One was an O-6 and he needlessly put soldiers in danger trying to get his ribbon. I would rather serve with the one who was deployed elsewhere than the SH who deployed only to further his career.

Response by LTC David Howard made Feb 17 at 2019 8:58 PM

LTC David Howard — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:58:05 -0500

What the hell has happened to the military? I've been retired for almost 29 years, and it seems the Army has gone into the toilet with bullcrap and political correctness. This is absolutely unbelievable. What's next, no insignia or badges? Do combat arms insignia get banned because the support troops might feel sad? Do those that earned the Combat Infantryman Badge have to remove it because those without it might start crying or call their Mommies? Give me a break!

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made Feb 17 at 2019 9:01 PM

Sgt Ed Allen — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 21:01:21 -0500

Hell NO! What kind of pansies do we have in the military now! Really? We have snowflakes for soldiers? If they get feelings hurt for something that simple, then maybe they shouldn't be in the service.

Response by SPC Curtis Kennedy made Feb 17 at 2019 9:51 PM

SPC Curtis Kennedy — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 21:51:57 -0500

The combat patch is essential morale booster to remove it because of FNP (F**king New People) is just plain wrong...

Response by SFC (CA) Roland Dell made Feb 17 at 2019 11:18 PM

SFC (CA) Roland Dell — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 23:18:16 -0500

Too much sensitivity (nowadays) threatens mission readiness, if you ask me

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Feb 17 at 2019 11:43 PM

1stSgt Jeff Blovat — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 23:43:51 -0500

Don’t ask a Ranger this.

Response by CW2 Michael Mullikin made Feb 18 at 2019 1:53 AM

CW2 Michael Mullikin — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 01:53:30 -0500

I understand that was the thinking behind officers no longer wearing branch insignia on combat uniform—those in the "less prestigious" branches felt they were looked down upon because they were readily identified as being not combat arms. Hey, I know! for those troops who feel left out because they don't have a combat patch and those officers who are not in combat arms, lets issue them all Silver Stars and Combat Action Badges! Boy, that should boost there self-esteem even more than wearing a combat patch or not wearing Medical Service Corps Insignia. I know what you narrow-minded insensitive types are going to say–wearing valor awards that they didn't earn takes away from those who actually did earn theirs. But remember, the Supreme Court has ruled that wearing unearned awards is protected by the 1st Amendment—and if its good enough for civilians it should be good enough for the military.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Feb 18 at 2019 12:22 PM

CW3 Dan Mackey — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:22:40 -0500

Really the whole point of having combat patches is to identify those in the ranks that have been in the mix. If I were a combat virgin I would want to be near guys who had been in the shit to learn from them and stay alive. In my experience you never know who has the natural skills of war just by looking at someone. Often the skinny kid who struggles in pt and road marches is a warrior when the shit hits the fan.

Response by MSgt Horace Smith made Feb 18 at 2019 1:43 PM

MSgt Horace Smith — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:43:38 -0500

I have the utmost respect for those who have earned combat decorations or patches. I have only contempt for small minded petty individuals who dishonor those brave men and women who put their lives on the line to wear those patches.

In the mid-1970's I was stationed at Kadena Air Base on Okinawa. Serving with me was a former Soldier who was a LRP in Vietnam. He wore his CIB on his fatigues in full compliance with AFR 35-10. He took so much flack from junior Officers who harassed him about it that he removed it from his uniforms. I told him then that were it me, I'd have them standing in front of my Commander explaining their ignorance of regulations. It still irks me that he had to put up with that crap.

Response by Caitlin Williams made Feb 18 at 2019 3:30 PM

Caitlin Williams — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:30:21 -0500

Typically the Military says fuck your feelings esp to things that have to be earned.

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Feb 18 at 2019 4:16 PM

1SG Dale Cantrell — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:16:11 -0500

All comes with time and experience, it is simply not their time ,Yet. I attended several military schools , most of the instructors wore single patch, that is all they talk about, that was their decision

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2019 4:19 PM

SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:19:50 -0500

Combat is a right of passage just like everything else is in the military. So should individuals stop wearing Jump Wings, Combat Action Ribbons, Purple Hearts because certain individuals have not earned or received them??? THE ANSWER IS, "HELL NO!" This sensitivity crap in the military is going overboard in the military. Wake up.... the military isn't some damn highschool peewee leauge sports team where everyone gets an award and hug!!

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Feb 18 at 2019 7:38 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 19:38:11 -0500

That's when I request a written instruction from said officer stating the order to remove an authorized uniform piece and the rationale behind the order. If he's foolish enough to do that, then I file under UCMJ for redress of grievance. They're worried about the morale of the newbies? They should be more concerned about the morale of those members who will be instructing the newbies.....

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Feb 18 at 2019 9:42 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:42:41 -0500

Hahahahaha! Fuckin' POG! The military is ABOUT combat. Get on the line or pass us the rations and ammo and stop whining@

Response by SGT Rik Bellerue made Feb 19 at 2019 12:55 AM

SGT Rik Bellerue — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:55:30 -0500

Where the hell did this come from? I had 2 periods of service, with a 4 year break in between. I served in Vietnam as a Huey crew chief and door gunner from Apr 70- Feb 72 with the 1st Aviation Brigade. Then I was an MP from Jun76- Aug 80. I was never in a combat zone the second time, but I still wore my 1st Aviation Brigade patch on my right sleeve. I earned that patch and no one would ever have even thought of telling me to take it off. Troops these days have been PC'd to death and feel that anything that doesn't make them happy should be banned. Tell a combat Marine that he should take off his Combat Action Ribbon because you don't have one and see me when you get out of the hospital.

Response by Sgt Thomas King made Feb 19 at 2019 11:04 PM

Sgt Thomas King — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:04:07 -0500

They are earned .I would not want anyone telling me I could not wear a patch I had earned

Response by SPC Randell Pendley made Feb 20 at 2019 1:52 PM

SPC Randell Pendley — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 13:52:43 -0500

My vote was supposed to be no. I never saw combat. Actually I've never been out of the USA. I was PDRL for a collapsed Parachute accident in Jump School. These combat patches are earned not given. My only child witch is my Daughter. Is an Iraqi Veteran.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2019 2:06 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:06:39 -0500

I earned them - They will have to tear them off my dead body from the uniform I will be wearing in my casket. They better be damn sure that really dead

Response by SPC Chimene Radcliffe-Webster made Feb 22 at 2019 4:21 AM

SPC Chimene Radcliffe-Webster — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 04:21:13 -0500

Oh poor babies get over it. then when you're up for orders with a combat unit then you will get your patch. If you want it so bad, don't get me wrong I have mine but I went to Kuwait to get mine. the combat patches are something to work for and not be ashamed of and if someone does not have it then maybe it will push them to get it. never take it off because it might hurt someone feelings that is a lower rank who have yet to start a career or anything, they have yet to learn the rules and regs yet so let them learn.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 11:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:04:27 -0500

That's ludicrous! Awards, badges and patches show a leaders experience to his or her subordinates. If a peer is jealous they need to get their own.

Response by SPC Ramon Urias made Feb 22 at 2019 9:03 PM

SPC Ramon Urias — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 21:03:56 -0500

No. Next question.

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Feb 23 at 2019 10:39 AM

SP5 Rich Levesque — Sat, 23 Feb 2019 10:39:33 -0500

Its just so much PC bullshit. Combat patch was well earned. E1's and E2's can have something to work for. Shame on the commander.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Feb 24 at 2019 10:28 PM

MAJ James Woods — Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:28:20 -0500

Seriously? Just cause you have a combat patch on your right shoulder doesn’t mean you’ve actually been a combat. Just means you were part of a unit whose HQ was in a combat theater of operations so WHO CARES! Enough already. One reason some claimed they went to uniforms without branch insignias for officers was cause some claimed had they had a hard time taking non combat arms officers seriously. I call BS on that line of thinking by anyone.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2019 6:03 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:03:27 -0500

Combat patches shouldn’t be removed because some personnel like myself don’t have one and I’m ok that I don’t have one at the current moment. It’s the military, not some social gathering; act like you have some dignity in wearing the uniform of your country and not worry about a shoulder patch

Response by SMSgt Allan Pochop made Mar 2 at 2019 9:33 AM

SMSgt Allan Pochop — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:33:16 -0500

Another attack on warrior ethos.....ya want on, change AFSC/MOS, and earn it.....

Response by SMSgt Allan Pochop made Mar 2 at 2019 9:38 AM

SMSgt Allan Pochop — Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:38:24 -0500

Diversity rears its ugly head......want that combat patch? Change AFSC/MOS, and earn it!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2019 10:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 22:18:11 -0500

Saw it at Carson in 15 4ID 1st SBCT had soldiers remove all combat patches and skill badges, it was met with a lot of backlash and negative reactions dont think it stuck.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 9 at 2019 2:34 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:34:44 -0500

My motivational quote of the day: Quit being a pussy.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2019 1:59 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:59:25 -0400

No. I'm an E-2 I haven't deployed. I'll get me combat patch when I earn one. Til then, I just do what ever is required of me.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 15 at 2019 4:54 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:54:32 -0400

Screw that. If you want the patch, earn it. I earned mine, so did others. Besides, the patch let's others know who has experience.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2019 6:21 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:21:31 -0400

Combat patches are earned and if you're new wait your turn. You shouldn't punish those who earned it for the sake of those who have not.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Mar 15 at 2019 8:32 PM

1SG James Matthews — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:32:30 -0400

NO--they were earned with loss of friends and blood.

Response by PO3 Fmf 8404 Vietnam Vet made Mar 15 at 2019 8:50 PM

PO3 Fmf 8404 Vietnam Vet — Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:50:28 -0400

What the hell will some idiot liberal come up with next? If you want a snowflake or cupcake badge, join tye girl scouts pussy!

Response by SFC Manuel Sandino made Mar 16 at 2019 9:32 AM

SFC Manuel Sandino — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:32:10 -0400

Is not like the unit actually conducts combat operations. You deploy to a hospital in a big, secure base??? You want to earn a combat patch? Transfer over to the infantry. Equating been in country with "Combat " is just sorry as hell.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2019 1:27 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:27:20 -0400

There is a level of acceptance and adaptability that our soldiers are SEVERELY lacking in these days.
Like understanding that the Army goes through cycles. About 22 years ago when i joined, we were in the cold war and "combat patches" were becoming fewer and fewer among service members. If you weren't a Nam, Grenada, or Gulf War Vet, getting a patch was presented with very limited opportunity.
Now as we draw back and draw down operations, our young soldiers need to understand that those patches are not worn by the veteran as a symbol that says "look what I did". Combat Patches are worn in memorial of all we sacrificed and those we lost.
To cheapen it down to a "participation patch" is deplorable and absolutely disgusting in my view. You already have watered down basic, you come out with 2 ribbons on your chest you did next to nothing for, now you want to whine that you don't have enough on your uniform to signify you've done something worth the notice.

THEN GO DO SOMETHING WORTH NOTICING.!

Until then remain humble, eyes and ears open. Listen, learn, and follow. Go to schools, volunteer for tours, and remain thankful you haven't had to lose, you haven't had to sacrifice. Be mindful that MANY of us would gladly give up our "Combat Patch" to have back the things, brothers, sisters, family, and lives we've lost.

Response by SSG Roger Raynard made Mar 17 at 2019 1:25 PM

SSG Roger Raynard — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:25:28 -0400

No. It's been a tradition for a long long time. I served from 1973-1998 do to assignments and never made it to a combat zone. And never felt bad or envious over someone who did.

Response by SGT Louise Hawthorne made Mar 17 at 2019 1:54 PM

SGT Louise Hawthorne — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:54:15 -0400

Combat sucks. If we've been there and done that we have earned the right to be proud of it.

Response by Col D S made Mar 17 at 2019 4:36 PM

Col D S — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:36:08 -0400

Snowflakes. Suck it up. You want something? Go earn it!!

Response by SFC Dewaine Holster made Mar 17 at 2019 5:48 PM

SFC Dewaine Holster — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 17:48:02 -0400

Combat patches are sign of recognition and honor. As are the deployment strips.
SFC RETIRED

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Mar 17 at 2019 10:25 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 22:25:32 -0400

Your a fool.

Response by LTC Michael Hrycak made Mar 18 at 2019 5:53 AM

LTC Michael Hrycak — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 05:53:34 -0400

No, the uniform regulations allow you to wear the patch, so you should be able to wear it if you decide to

Response by SP6 Richard Ingram made Mar 18 at 2019 9:40 AM

SP6 Richard Ingram — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:40:00 -0400

Whaa cry me a freaking River, that's the problem with this generation "I don't have what you have and I am entitled to it even though I didn't EARN IT " if you want one earn it and you will appreciate it more

Response by SGT Joseph Clark made Mar 18 at 2019 1:47 PM

SGT Joseph Clark — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:47:12 -0400

If ANYONE feels negative from seeing someone else wearing a combat patch - then they should remember that the very patch they see is what gives them the right to feel negative.

Response by SGT Tim Schaming made Mar 18 at 2019 10:25 PM

SGT Tim Schaming — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:25:28 -0400

ohhhhhhh poor baby's the mark of someone that has been there done that go fucking get one child no helicopter moms or dads here sonny i was the first NCO in my unit in the 82nd in the 70s that didnt have a combat patch from Nam i didnt feel left out what kind of wimps do they let in now.

Response by PO2 Margaret Randle made Mar 19 at 2019 10:32 AM

PO2 Margaret Randle — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:32:35 -0400

Combat patches were earned - leave them alone!

Response by MSG Darrell Watson made Mar 19 at 2019 6:27 PM

MSG Darrell Watson — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 18:27:34 -0400

They were earned and be worn as there is a sence of pride
The way things are going those who don't have will get a chance.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Mar 19 at 2019 10:44 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 22:44:38 -0400

Give honor to whom honor is due. If you want a patch, volunteer for combat duty. Not everyone gets a participation trophy. Earners have sacrificed for the patch and should be honored for doing so.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 19 at 2019 11:14 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 23:14:21 -0400

First let me say to Ssgt Melissa Post, ha, ha, ha. "You want feelings, join the Air Force". Well earning a combat path in the ARMY, is a right of passage. Your unit, MOS and AO, brought you into a combat area. You earned a combat patch. In the Air Force we don't need to wear a combat patch to show we were in combat, not do we ground pounding mechanics need to brag about bein in combat to the local women. Combat patches get you respect from other earners, envy from the non earners and looks of distain from civilians, who don't know what's what in the military. Ribbons are treated the same way. If you have a ribbon for the Vietnam War, the guy next to you doesn't. Guess who going to be jealous? You have a combat patch, wear it proud. You earned it.

Response by CPL Stephen Murphy made Mar 20 at 2019 6:50 PM

CPL Stephen Murphy — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:50:55 -0400

A wise man once told me, "Fuck your feelings!"

Response by SPC Justin Currey made Mar 20 at 2019 7:57 PM

SPC Justin Currey — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:57:49 -0400

How about we keep ripping on them until they earn one? Is this females that think this is common core curricullum asking this shit? Intellectual diversity where the dumb and weak have a louder voice than the intelligent? I give this question 3 shut the fuck up Carls.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2019 10:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:59:52 -0400

Are your freaking kidding

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2019 12:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 00:33:25 -0400

You need to go beat their parents. I've been in 10 years and don't have a patch. Piss off.

Response by Timothy R. Yoder made Mar 21 at 2019 9:15 AM

Timothy R. Yoder — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:15:14 -0400

Nuts! ..

Response by SGT Richard Ruvalcaba made Mar 21 at 2019 10:16 AM

SGT Richard Ruvalcaba — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:16:12 -0400

Hell to the f@$k NO!!!!

Response by MSgt David Pursey made Mar 21 at 2019 11:19 AM

MSgt David Pursey — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:19:12 -0400

You get awarded for what you work to achieve! Not everything in this universe has to be equal. That’s exactly one of the reasons our society is going to hell in a hand basket... too many want something for nothing. EARN IT!

Response by SPC Antonio Jackson made Mar 21 at 2019 2:10 PM

SPC Antonio Jackson — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 14:10:12 -0400

Combat patches are earned, so should we remove awards, jump wings and pathfinder patches because joe/molly doesn't have them? If that is the case take off all unit patches that were earned before you joined the unit!!! GTHOH!!!

Response by SSG R R made Mar 21 at 2019 3:18 PM

SSG R R — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:18:53 -0400

No... Enough with the PC stuff already.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2019 5:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:29:23 -0400

Crybabies. I would tell them how they can earn them :-). I got a CAB because of our SOPs. I got it promptly after returning. My friends in the infantry whom had earned CIBs via combat were disgruntled because they didnt get theres for over a year after returning. Needless to say, I didnt want to wear mine around them. But if a private is offended because they didnt get one, and never deployed, I would tell them to suck it up.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2019 12:36 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:36:26 -0400

I can’t believe this should even be a question. Short answer is no. Long answer...hell no.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2019 12:43 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 00:43:03 -0400

I wasn't in the Army, so my opinion probably won't be appreciated. I believe the combat patches should be eliminated because they should never have been authorized in the first place. The other services don't use them. One would think the Army's Combat Action Badge, Combat Infantryman (Armor, Cavalry, etc.) Badge, campaign medals, etc., should be sufficient. I've long felt the Army uniform is way too cluttered with patches, badges, etc., etc. To me, organizational pride notwithstanding, combat patches add to the clutter. Having said all that, the feelings of butthurt, never-deployed soldiers should have no bearing on whether or not to remove combat patches from the Army uniform.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Fatheree made Mar 23 at 2019 8:20 AM

SSgt Jeffrey Fatheree — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:20:48 -0400

Contrary to the dig at Air Force we to admire the work and danger that earns combat patches. If feelings are you concern military life is not an option for you. When someone has something I want I take myself out and work to earn it.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Mar 23 at 2019 1:49 PM

SrA Scott Baer — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:49:09 -0400

What the flock is going on with today's military. I have not earned that sacred patch but wish I had earned one. Not many opportunities in early to mid 80s. Know from those that have done that time that it is a special brother/sisterhood deal and I never get tired of hearing any story from anyone in military history talking the talk as they walked that walk. I am personally damn proud of each and every one of you and you wear that bad boy with John Wayne type pride as you can bet your sweet bippy I sure as hell would if I could.

Response by 1SG Will Losaw made Mar 23 at 2019 1:59 PM

1SG Will Losaw — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:59:08 -0400

No way...the poor little newbies needn't to earn theirs! This sensitivity crap is just going too far!!

Response by TSgt Scott C. Brammer made Mar 23 at 2019 9:32 PM

TSgt Scott C. Brammer — Sat, 23 Mar 2019 21:32:31 -0400

Well that's just too fucking bad. When you are in the military you are either a warrior or you are support personnel for the warriors (FYI, I was the latter). The military shouldn't prop up the support people or lower the accomplishments of the soldiers who fought our countries wars by taking away the combat patches THAT THEY EARNED. This goes the same for newbys who just entered the military. When the new peoples units are deployed, they too will get combat patches and they won't want anyone telling them they can't wear patches that they were awarded. I'm so tired of hearing about people with "hurt feelings". It sounds like these people should be in college where they can hide out in one of those "safe spaces" where they can relax and take a "time out" instead of serving in the military!!

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Mar 24 at 2019 9:44 AM

PO1 Don Mac Intyre — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:44:02 -0400

Crap like this used to make me laugh, then I realized these idiots are serious. Too bad no one can actually tell them to go the hell away.

Response by LTC Matthew Maki made Mar 24 at 2019 1:44 PM

LTC Matthew Maki — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:44:05 -0400

Has about the same logic as telling soldiers not to wear uniforms so the ones without them don't get hurt feelings.

Response by SPC James Gromley made Mar 24 at 2019 2:19 PM

SPC James Gromley — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:19:07 -0400

Combat patches are content the hard way, by serving in combat! They are not given to ever Tom, Dick and Harry just for showing up! I do not have any reason being my time was during peace time. Those with combat patches duck live ammo to get them and it is one of the way we show respect for their sacrifice! Any one sensitive to the fact they do not have any needs to switch to infantry and go out and get some of their own. They are not hard to get just risk your life no big thing right?

Response by CPL Brian Prosser made Mar 24 at 2019 8:58 PM

CPL Brian Prosser — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:58:49 -0400

Let them sit in their cry corner, safe place or whatever the all of these assholes call them. They are supposed to be soldiers! I see your MOS is in the Med field, maybe it's different there. I dont know about nowadays, but back 25 years ago no body gave a shit about your feelings. You want feelings? Peace Corp. But that's just my opinion

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2019 1:21 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 01:21:31 -0400

Heck, why stop there? Let's remove everything but Name, Service and Rank. No need to give away our unit (combat or otherwise). Maybe change the uniform to pink pajama wear, that is fluffy and warm, has enough pockets to carry our iPhones, cigarettes and munchies.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 25 at 2019 4:32 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:32:08 -0400

Hell no...give subordinates something to strive for...yes even in a theatre of operations...hooah!

Response by CSM Joseph McEachron made Mar 25 at 2019 6:08 PM

CSM Joseph McEachron — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:08:17 -0400

No!!! SSI-FWTS is a matter of pride for those who wear it. That patch is something that all Soldiers take pride in. The new Soldiers are part of that unit and are valuable team members. Just because the new Soldiers have not deployed to combat we make our combat veterans remove the combat patch they earned. Who ever came up with that crap needs to find another profession. Good way to lower the morale. However, always two sides to a story and I like to hear the reasoning behind this decision.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Mar 26 at 2019 2:29 PM

Sgt Robert Gardner — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:29:30 -0400

Should people without Purple Hearts get voluntarily shot so they can have one and not feel bad?
Yes, that’s how ridiculous the question is.

Response by SFC William Ewing made Mar 27 at 2019 12:18 PM

SFC William Ewing — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:18:57 -0400

No it is part of the uniform so not wearing it makes you out of uniform.
Now properly used it will give new solid incentive to excell.

Back when prior to Desert Storm, I was one f two people in my unit wearing a combat patch the other was our SGM.
We were both Vietnam Veterans, he retired and the new one didn't have one but our new COL had one.

If someone had told us to remove the patch so as to not hurt feelings, we would have hurt their feelings.

Be proud and wear it, dare them to tell you to get out of uniform.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 29 at 2019 10:27 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:27:59 -0400

If you wear it you earned it so wear, those troops who haven't had the opportunity to deploy to a combat zone will have their chance one day

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2019 10:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Apr 2019 10:48:48 -0400

I say screw this snowflakes, earn your sh..stop winning. This is the legacy left by LIBTARDS!!

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Apr 7 at 2019 1:17 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:17:09 -0400

Should we remove their faces to be sensitive to those who aren't as ugly or stupid.
Who in hell is that idiot CO and how did he get there?

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Apr 9 at 2019 3:07 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 03:07:03 -0400

ur kidding right? LMAO! This cannot be a true question. I, a national guard soldier, am proud to wear the dumb ass patch I got... I'm still waiting for the 3 AD unit patches, but fuck it... I'm good with what I got.

Response by LTC Jess Capel made Apr 12 at 2019 2:36 PM

LTC Jess Capel — Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:36:27 -0400

No, makes it easier to pick out the O4/E7 and above slackers who have 5 doctorates while snoozing through rear D duty.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2019 10:33 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 22:33:58 -0400

SMH, next we are going to give out Bronze Stars to every soldier for pulling staff duty and not falling asleep. Stop crying. Put in work, then we can talk.

Response by SGT William Brown made Apr 14 at 2019 10:15 AM

SGT William Brown — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 10:15:18 -0400

Waaaaaàa, don't cry about it, if you stay in long enough you'll get one.

Response by SSG Ken Steinhoff made Apr 18 at 2019 9:40 AM

SSG Ken Steinhoff — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:40:56 -0400

Only if you remove the rake so a Private don’t feel intimidated by a four-star general

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Apr 22 at 2019 9:31 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:31:32 -0400

NO, if you earned it wear it, those who have iffy feelings can just wait their turn to earn theirs

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2019 5:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:29:56 -0400

Some Soldiers are just too entitled, and we are catering to that. No I don’t think we should remove them, we earned them. Some day they will too. Never once as a private did I feel left out or get hurt feelings when I seen people with patches or badges, I looked up to them. I aspired to do the things they did. I knew that I had to earn my place and that’s just what I did.

Response by SSgt Daniel Vallance made May 7 at 2019 2:37 PM

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Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2019 9:03 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 May 2019 09:03:49 -0400

AR 670-1, Chapter 21-17c.
"Soldiers who are authorized to wear more than one SSI–FWTS have the option of choosing which SSI–FWTS they will wear. Soldiers may also elect not to wear a SSI–FWTS."

I doubt the Soldiers were ordered to take theirs off. But if they were, I would have demanded a written order. Any UCMJ action attempted by a Commander for not taking off the SSI-FWTS patch should have, if it did in fact happen, been met with resistance.

Response by SSG Ernest Gonzales made May 11 at 2019 2:23 AM

SSG Ernest Gonzales — Sat, 11 May 2019 02:23:51 -0400

Please tell me this is a joke.

Response by PO2 Russell Houston made May 14 at 2019 11:06 PM

PO2 Russell Houston — Tue, 14 May 2019 23:06:02 -0400

And let's make everyone Generals too....that way no one gets butthurt

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made May 15 at 2019 4:10 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Wed, 15 May 2019 04:10:05 -0400

Again, another three year old, asinine question. Take it down.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 15 at 2019 5:47 AM

CW4 Craig Urban — Wed, 15 May 2019 05:47:11 -0400

I do not have one. If I did I would wear it

Response by SPC Curtis Kennedy made May 15 at 2019 9:47 AM

SPC Curtis Kennedy — Wed, 15 May 2019 09:47:33 -0400

The new kids need to shut up...if they want a combat patch, they should hop on the next deployment and earn it. I never felt left out because I didn't have a combat patch, I just waited for my time to deploy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2019 4:46 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 May 2019 16:46:37 -0400

Having a “combat” patch doesn’t mean anything. If that offends some people then, well, sorry the truth hurts sometimes. Most people get combat patches because they simply met the regulation the governs who can get one. It doesn’t mean they are special or have actually been in real combat. Everyone earns what they earn and should be proud of it. Having a SSI is nothing to be worried about. Some “earn” a SSI for just roughing it in places like Kuwait, Qatar, and Africa; trust me, they will tell you about it daily on Facebook. While others are in COPs, getting shot at and mortared daily are awarded the same SSI as anyone else. Be proud of true personal achievements, but be humble if you know differently.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made May 20 at 2019 7:35 AM

SPC Brian Mason — Mon, 20 May 2019 07:35:37 -0400

NO.
Who are the weak-minded 'people' who voted yes? It's not funny, it's pathetic even one person would think so. If awards and participation trophies are more your thing, you shouldn't have joined and should get out asap. Save the rest of us.

Response by Capt Al Parker made May 22 at 2019 4:48 PM

Capt Al Parker — Wed, 22 May 2019 16:48:07 -0400

If you remove combat patches then you'd have to remove longivity/good conduct ribbons, oh H remove all patches and ribbons because someone might be affended!

Response by SGT Costel Baciu made May 23 at 2019 4:51 AM

SGT Costel Baciu — Thu, 23 May 2019 04:51:52 -0400

Hell no!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2019 6:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 May 2019 18:31:25 -0400

This is freaking ridiculous. Those patches were earned. They are not hand outs.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made May 27 at 2019 12:59 PM

PO1 Aaron Baltosser — Mon, 27 May 2019 12:59:15 -0400

Absolutely not. Why in the world would I lower my standard for personal recognition to someone that hadn't earned any?

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made May 31 at 2019 12:26 AM

PO2 Michael Galey — Fri, 31 May 2019 00:26:24 -0400

Why oh why are there snowflakes in my ARMY!! I wear the MAC V on my VFW dress uniform,my oh my did I hurt your widow feelings?? TOUGH, get assigned to a war zone and get some overseas bars on your right sleeve and a Combat ID Badge on your chest, oh yeah also the insignia of your unit on the your right pocket (mines on my right shoulder).

Response by PFC Benjamin Gidley made Jun 8 at 2019 12:58 AM

PFC Benjamin Gidley — Sat, 08 Jun 2019 00:58:16 -0400

Y’all earned that shit

Response by MAJ Karen Wall made Jun 10 at 2019 11:00 AM

MAJ Karen Wall — Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:00:37 -0400

What the hell?????? That patch is MINE and I earned it fair and square- camel spiders and all! I refuse to change my identity to be "sensitive" to anyone and everyone who are feeling put out by my achievements.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Jun 10 at 2019 11:19 PM

SSG Norbert Johnson — Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:19:02 -0400

I look at it this way. When I was in Basic Training I wore no Patch. Those who trained us were looked up to because they had proven skills and knowledge as well as Combat Experience. Just their stature, experiential knowledge and skills, as well as the pride in their uniforms let me know from the onset that I had a lot to learn; because I was not as experienced, or qualified to fill their shoes at that time. The time to give up the "show up and get a ribbon" is over. So check your pride at the door for in time and circumstance, you too might earn the respect that the Combat Badge commands.

Response by SPC David Glines made Jun 11 at 2019 12:23 AM

SPC David Glines — Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:23:43 -0400

Hell no we wear them to signify that we have done something important it's like saying that we shouldn't display our Infantry Cord or SF not have the green Beret or Airborne not display there silver wings they should suck it up and drive on

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 14 at 2019 6:27 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 06:27:02 -0400

Leave them on, they were earned.

Response by SSgt Robert Bell made Jun 14 at 2019 4:03 PM

SSgt Robert Bell — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 16:03:07 -0400

Back in the Old Days, USAF, we were allowed to have our unit patch on on breast pocket. Only our stripes were on the arms, except officers with ranks in the collar. When the AF became its own it didn’t want to mimicking the Army which it separated from.

Response by CPT William Jones made Jun 16 at 2019 5:47 PM

CPT William Jones — Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:47:15 -0400

The patch worn on the left sleeve is a participation patch if you played for where and when it was you got one if not you don’t. You didn’t participate. Just like the national defense ribbon. If you were on active duty at the right time you got one if not no ribbbon. Simple.

Response by SPC William Wilson made Jun 17 at 2019 1:35 PM

SPC William Wilson — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:35:08 -0400

You earned that combat patch with your blood sweat and tears. So let those newbies suck it up and learn from those vets . It would take 2 Ranger battalions to rip my combat patch off and even then they would have a hard time. You earned them you wear em. Peace. Out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2019 4:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:33:10 -0400

Absolutely not!! If they did not feel apart of the team it most certainly wasn’t because of a patch. The team, squads, and platoon must integrate the new guys properly into the unit through, team work, hard and realistic training and leaders who actually listen, communicate and show a general interest into their soldiers. Badges and patches should be worn if you have them and it should inspire soldiers to achieve them as well.

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Jun 28 at 2019 4:41 PM

1SG Dale Cantrell — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:41:08 -0400

No, Military life is a learning journey, you either have AR 15s, scars , medals, or patches to show the S---, you went through

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made Jun 28 at 2019 5:02 PM

SGT Jim Humphrey — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:02:07 -0400

No. Suck it up. Earn one

Response by Sgt Bruce Holmes made Jun 28 at 2019 5:28 PM

Sgt Bruce Holmes — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:28:05 -0400

Perhaps we should change the uniform to "Participation Clothing" and tell the crybabies that is their award.

Response by SPC Stephen Larson made Jun 28 at 2019 5:29 PM

SPC Stephen Larson — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:29:37 -0400

I served from 82-84. All out senior NCO's and senior officers were Vietnam vets. We didn't feel slighted, we looked up to them for their experience. But then again I grew up in a time when you got a trophy for winning, not participating. Sad.

Response by SGT Bonnie B. made Jun 28 at 2019 8:18 PM

SGT Bonnie B. — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:18:34 -0400

If they earn demand is part of the uniform then they should be on the uniform so that it is warm properly to not wear them because everybody doesn't have one is what's wrong with the country today. Everybody should get a trophy just saying you know it doesn't bother me that I don't have them but if you have them because you earn them by all means wear them

Response by SSG Jason Turner made Jun 28 at 2019 8:53 PM

SSG Jason Turner — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:53:54 -0400

That unit leadership is probably retarded

Response by SCPO William Akin made Jun 28 at 2019 9:11 PM

SCPO William Akin — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 21:11:15 -0400

What is this friggin obsession with sensitivity, I thought this was a MILITARY forum..
If they don't rate a combat patch so be it, maybe someday they will.. Hell's bells I was in combat (PBR's 1968-69) and didn't get a patch, how the hell do we think I felt..

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2019 10:29 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 22:29:31 -0400

Who was the dumbass you did this. Fire their most likely slick sleeve arse! Some good NCO should have told the BS the twit can’t order them to do that! Fire the fool

Response by MAJ Haris Balcinovic made Jun 29 at 2019 6:53 AM

MAJ Haris Balcinovic — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 06:53:55 -0400

Albeit it happened about 4 years ago it did happen indeed and here's the story
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2015/06/18/bct-banishes-combat-patches-badges-to-boost-morale/

BCT banishes combat patches, badges to boost morale

The head of Fort Carson's 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team wants soldiers' uniforms bare of combat patches in the field.

Response by LtCol Mark Bramwell made Jun 30 at 2019 1:50 PM

LtCol Mark Bramwell — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:50:07 -0400

Service transfer to the Air Force...

Response by SFC Jay Thompson made Jul 2 at 2019 5:10 PM

SFC Jay Thompson — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 17:10:10 -0400

Hell no! I am one who does not have combat patches. I want to know the studs around me! LOL

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Jul 7 at 2019 11:26 AM

Sgt Robert Gardner — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 11:26:28 -0400

That is as absurd as telling in shape soldiers to put on weight and get fat because they make out of shape ones feel bad. The PC BS is ruining everything it touches and it's turning people into whining petulant children.

Response by Cpl Robert Eldridge made Jul 14 at 2019 8:32 AM

Cpl Robert Eldridge — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:32:04 -0400

Progressive idiots from today’s educational system want a trophy for not doing anything.
Just wearing the uniform for now should be an honor. Live with that. And remember. Some who got the patch.
Got it posthumously.

Response by SGT Perry Haddaway made Jul 19 at 2019 7:20 PM

SGT Perry Haddaway — Fri, 19 Jul 2019 19:20:29 -0400

Where is the whiskey tango foxtrot button.

Response by SSG Charles Oliver made Jul 20 at 2019 10:38 AM

SSG Charles Oliver — Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:38:57 -0400

If someone is butt hurt over the fact that have earned or received something that someone else is a dumb reason to change policy and take away Honors from someone else

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Jul 20 at 2019 10:54 AM

PFC Charles Sanders — Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:54:54 -0400

I never had one. I never once felt somebody else shouldn’t wear theirs because I didn’t have one. Suck it up and quit whining. Its the freaking army, not preschool!

Response by SrA Justin Dearfield made Jul 20 at 2019 11:57 AM

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Response by SPC John Cummings made Jul 20 at 2019 4:45 PM

SPC John Cummings — Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:45:51 -0400

I'm sensitive to his oak leaf to my mosquito wings. Time to give up rank to make people feel more important.

Response by LCpl Jason Keiser made Jul 22 at 2019 1:15 AM

LCpl Jason Keiser — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:15:32 -0400

bullshit. war is nothing to bitch about being left out of.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Jul 22 at 2019 2:50 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:50:27 -0400

Please remove this 3 year question.

Response by SGT Daniel Quigley made Jul 22 at 2019 6:39 AM

SGT Daniel Quigley — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:39:11 -0400

Poor babies need a Partisapation Trophy. This is exactly why you don't give trophies to everyone. Who cares if the crutes are butthurt. Let them finally understand its something earned not givin like everything in their life up to now has been. Leave the Combat patch alone

Response by Pvt Bill Gerhardt made Jul 22 at 2019 9:19 AM

Pvt Bill Gerhardt — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:19:42 -0400

Sissy’s invade military..... bad for America
Let’s bring back the “dog soldiers” of WWII as drill instructors, they were the ones that stood tall!
Gen Patton would have B-slapped this soldier!!

Response by Sgt Peter Vilanova made Jul 22 at 2019 11:48 AM

Sgt Peter Vilanova — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:48:30 -0400

Tell then to suck it up they will get theirs soon enough. To many cry babies in this world today

Response by CPT Jim Cherry made Jul 22 at 2019 11:49 AM

CPT Jim Cherry — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:49:18 -0400

I enlisted 50 years ago while Vietnam was still going pretty strong. If you want a combat patch it is easy enough to earn one. After Vietnam we had a long stretch with no combat so the Vietnam vets stood out, CIBs went from everyone had one to very few had them. It’s not a participation trophy folks, you have to earn it and those soldiers deserve to display them.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Jul 22 at 2019 11:59 AM

MSG Scott McBride — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:59:24 -0400

Is this a joke? STOP BEING SO @#$^&*#@ SENSITIVE!!!! pick up your feelings and move out! We don't have time for whining. Unfu@#*%#believable.

Response by SFC Mike Quinn made Jul 22 at 2019 12:29 PM

SFC Mike Quinn — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:29:46 -0400

I have no words, seriously. Those patches are earned. Wear them proudly.

Response by SPC Jim Shaw made Jul 22 at 2019 1:19 PM

SPC Jim Shaw — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:19:15 -0400

Can’t believe this. We are doomed

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2019 2:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:07:14 -0400

Shit. Clicked the wrong one. Hard no.

Response by SrA Travis Adams made Jul 22 at 2019 5:44 PM

SrA Travis Adams — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:44:52 -0400

I was in the air force and I find this ridiculous. My CO in Iraq wore is patches from his time in the Army, he was a green beret, as did a few others that earned them. Like someone said earn it, the ones with them should be role models for those without.

Response by SSG Jose Ipatzi made Jul 22 at 2019 7:12 PM

SSG Jose Ipatzi — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:12:38 -0400

If they stay for the next Years they will have one

Response by SSG Jose Ipatzi made Jul 22 at 2019 7:16 PM

SSG Jose Ipatzi — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:16:51 -0400

If they want one stay for the next Years they will have one

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2019 8:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:30:59 -0400

Phfft..unreal

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2019 9:11 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:11:54 -0400

That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard lately ...

Response by MAJ Paul Willis made Jul 22 at 2019 9:50 PM

MAJ Paul Willis — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:50:20 -0400

The stupidest question I’ve ever seen on this forum.

Response by SSG Matthew Holman made Jul 22 at 2019 10:12 PM

SSG Matthew Holman — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:12:17 -0400

This is my Combat Patch. There were a few of us that got the honor of wearing the 70th patch in this era. The last guys to get it were in WWII. I’d rather the honor of that than any “end of tour” hand out award.

Response by SGT Scott Carter made Jul 22 at 2019 10:53 PM

SGT Scott Carter — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:53:37 -0400

What, do they want to give them one for just showing up like they do in the civilian world? Let’s not have anything that someone can see and envy and strive to achieve themselves...

For Gods sake...

Response by SGT Jim McGee made Jul 22 at 2019 11:47 PM

SGT Jim McGee — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 23:47:03 -0400

I wore my CIB with pride.I if I was orders to take it off because some Cherry or REMF felt bad I would have told them get your ass in the field and start humping where the fire is. WTF combat is not T ball. This us a stupid joke, not funny.

Response by SPC James Choquette made Jul 23 at 2019 12:20 AM

SPC James Choquette — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:20:41 -0400

Hmm they don’t have the “I was there ribbons” either or a CIB Maybe the generals should remove their stars so the LT’s feelings aren’t hurt. When I was in 66-69 men with decorations from WWII Korea and Vietnam were respected and looked up to. How the hell do they get through BCT? My poor Army

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 2:29 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:29:40 -0400

Snooze you lose. Should have joined earlier

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 23 at 2019 4:19 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:19:17 -0400

God knows I'd have loved one, though God also knows I'm not offended at others having them, certainly...obv that's just me, of course....

Response by CPL Jeremy Glenn made Jul 23 at 2019 4:33 AM

CPL Jeremy Glenn — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:33:04 -0400

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Response by SSG Grant Hansen made Jul 23 at 2019 4:50 AM

SSG Grant Hansen — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:50:25 -0400

I was in the regular Army for 4 years (1986 to '90) and very few soldiers had combat patches. Those that did have them had served in Vietnam. I never felt that they shouldn't wear them because I couldn't wear one. I finally earned one after 17 years of service in 2003 during my deployment to Iraq. The new soldiers in my unit were kinda envious of our combat patches, but most of them have deployed since then. They have their own combat patches now. The odds are, if you stay in long enough and are in a deployable MOS, you'll get a combat patch.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 7:10 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:10:53 -0400

This is ridiculous, almost as bad as when 2CR tried to force me to wear their combat patch instead of the 101st one I had already earned. You earn the patch, and you get to wear it (save for Marine patches- read the reg).
Uniformity for a formation or parade is also stupid when it comes to patches. The point of patches, badges, tabs is to differentiate Soldiers, not to make them the same. SSI-FWTS is to allow FNGs to find those that had "done their job" and ask the questions that AIT doesn't teach.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 7:11 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:11:17 -0400

Who the hell are the 2% who voted yes??

Response by SPC Cody Byrd made Jul 23 at 2019 7:12 AM

SPC Cody Byrd — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:12:47 -0400

I didn't have a combat patch until Iraq, I waited like everyone before me

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 7:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:23:04 -0400

Some of us were pulled on back to back to back to back tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, lost our own family stability, and endured all the reward and punishments of being in a Combat Zone.
I’m not going to say that my Combat Patch is my right to passage, but I am going to say I am proud to display it.
I was in the 3rd Infantry Division from 1999-2008 and spent almost half of that time in Iraq.
If you are a new Soldier/Warrior and are hurt that you didn’t get a patch... send me your information and I will not only send you a patch, I will send you information on how to get assigned to my old division. Why feel left out when the Army kept sending the same troops over and over again... join us!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 7:33 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:33:01 -0400

I remember when I got to my first MP unit in fort wainwright they basically told me I was trash until I deploy and get a patch lol.

Response by SSG Michael Noll made Jul 23 at 2019 8:24 AM

SSG Michael Noll — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:24:26 -0400

This is a joke right?

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jul 23 at 2019 9:17 AM

1SG John Highfill — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:17:49 -0400

Maybe we should stop calling them combat patches . I’m old school and a Viet Nam vet I was a door gunner / crew chief in an assault helicopter unit I’ve probably been in more combat firing my weapon at the enemy than most but not as much as others

Response by SP5 George Traylor made Jul 23 at 2019 5:12 PM

SP5 George Traylor — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:12:35 -0400

They get their patch when they get to their permanent duty station, and hell no they don't get to wear it on the right shoulder till they are so ordered.

Response by SGT Jahrasta Harris made Jul 23 at 2019 9:15 PM

SGT Jahrasta Harris — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:15:08 -0400

Hell no

Response by SSG Anthony Anable made Jul 24 at 2019 8:56 AM

SSG Anthony Anable — Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:56:12 -0400

Sure, you can take my patch...Molon labe. Some people's kids...smh

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2019 9:16 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:16:32 -0400

Sorry but if you earned it wear it I haven’t ever had one but that’s ok you go where the Army asks you to go or where you are needed

Response by SSG Erick Garcia made Aug 7 at 2019 10:51 AM

SSG Erick Garcia — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 10:51:23 -0400

OMFG_HFN, we earned that patch. Why should young soldiers these days get the right to complain or whine about not having a combat patch? That is wrong with America now, too many freaking cry babies thinking the world owes you something. Earn what you want in life, don't expect to get served on a silver platter.

Response by SSgt Vincent Sarno made Aug 7 at 2019 2:53 PM

SSgt Vincent Sarno — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 14:53:30 -0400

If you did combat, you earned it!
F their "feelings"

Response by SSgt Kevin Campbell made Aug 9 at 2019 4:35 AM

SSgt Kevin Campbell — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 04:35:46 -0400

Doesn’t seem like the Air Force are the ones whining this time...just saying. :-)

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Aug 11 at 2019 10:32 AM

1SG Cj Grisham — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:32:17 -0400

I see that 2% of people weren't properly weaned from their mother's breasts before signing up.

Response by SSG Keith Moose made Aug 11 at 2019 10:28 PM

SSG Keith Moose — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:28:29 -0400

Fuck them little bitches!!! Until they do their time in a combat zone they can be cry baby ass pussies.

Response by SSG Lauro Jimenez made Aug 12 at 2019 12:14 AM

SSG Lauro Jimenez — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:14:16 -0400

No! We earned them. Sorry if they are but hurt.

Response by PFC Clive Heckenberg made Aug 12 at 2019 12:29 AM

PFC Clive Heckenberg — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:29:00 -0400

And no medals to satisfy those who didn’t earn them - seriously, those with combat patches should be respected for their contribution & sacrifice in earning them

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made Aug 12 at 2019 12:36 AM

SPC Nancy Greene — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:36:35 -0400

You EARNED that badge and I think you deserve to wear it proudly. The newbies should look to you for guidance because of your achievements. If I they feel ‘left out’, then they should serve in a combat zone and EARN their own!

Response by SFC David Drury made Aug 12 at 2019 5:00 AM

SFC David Drury — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:00:29 -0400

You've got to be kidding me!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 5:03 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:03:09 -0400

I dont think so but NOT to brag about it. One is not their fault they couldn’t get deploy. This is what I was talking to my NCO that every soldier in their first contract SHOULD get deploy!!!

Response by SGT Daniel Durkovich made Aug 12 at 2019 1:44 PM

SGT Daniel Durkovich — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:44:11 -0400

Getting ridiculous. I served in the first Gulf War and we had soldiers coming into the unit after we got back. Most soldiers had questions about what we did over there. Military is to damn touchy/feely. The unit commander needs to go back to being a paper pusher and leave shit alone.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 7:50 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:50:08 -0400

I've been in 14 years and have never deployed. Sure I volunteered three times and the first I missed out from a security clearance, but I don't feel left out. If the soldiers who have them give anyone grief for NOT deploying then they should check themselves. Maybe that creates the separation and issue. New soldiers shouldn't have to have a patch to feel included in anything. That's not what they signed up for. They have the uniform compared to citizens who do not. The took the oath that others wouldn't. They also just got in. It's all timing.

Response by SSG Thomas Barry made Aug 12 at 2019 7:50 PM

SSG Thomas Barry — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:50:50 -0400

why dont we just give participation patches to everyone so no one has their feelings hurt

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 12 at 2019 8:02 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:02:08 -0400

Those E1s and E2s will get the oppurtunity to earn their Combat patch later in their military service. If not well that's fate.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Aug 14 at 2019 4:43 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 04:43:34 -0400

Should we not wear uniforms so civilians don't feel bad? How about thinking of the guys who earned those patches.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Aug 29 at 2019 8:58 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:58:27 -0400

Well the Navy has just become non-offensive to the snowflake generation. If you see a sailor with gold hash marks, service stripes that means he or she had completed 12 years good conduct. Use ot mean a lot. A Chief Musician in DC complained that the gold made her feel less whatever so, now anyone with 12 years service gets to wear gold. Use to say, where gold because you never got caught. Also knew a Chief Bosnmate with eight red hash marks. He was proud for that accomplishment. Of course he was on a LST full of 105 shells during WW2. Too many patches and crap. Now ribbons for graduating boot camp. Had just two, good conduct and national defense until I went to Nam. Let it snow, let it snow, and you can wear the patches on your cammy of the year.

Response by MSgt Denise Smith made Aug 31 at 2019 11:50 PM

MSgt Denise Smith — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 23:50:27 -0400

Hell no. The troops earned them.

Response by SFC Derrick Hardison made Sep 1 at 2019 12:17 AM

SFC Derrick Hardison — Sun, 01 Sep 2019 00:17:01 -0400

Hell no! They will get theirs if they stick around long enough

Response by SFC Dennis Griffirh made Sep 1 at 2019 9:54 PM

SFC Dennis Griffirh — Sun, 01 Sep 2019 21:54:24 -0400

Negative, those patches are earned !

Response by PO2 Patrick Dwyer made Sep 4 at 2019 9:21 PM

PO2 Patrick Dwyer — Wed, 04 Sep 2019 21:21:10 -0400

Is the PC police invaded that Command? I also on the other side these combat patched individuals should be used as mentors to those less experienced. Maybe their experience will provide knowledge to others to survive the task when it occurs.

Response by A1C Mike Hernandez made Sep 9 at 2019 9:25 PM

A1C Mike Hernandez — Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:25:55 -0400

The dude said if he wanted feelings he should have joined the Air Force, he must be one of those lil pussies who joined Army or Marines especially Infantry because he got picked on in school and has a baby dick. It must suck to get out of the military and have no trade to rely on. " Hey sir please hire me as a McDonalds janitor cuz i ran towards bullets!" The biggest pussies in the world are Army and Marines, especially Infantry.....FACT!

Response by PO1 Anthony Sam made Sep 15 at 2019 1:00 PM

PO1 Anthony Sam — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:00:19 -0400

I know their no dumb A@$ question but Really why is this even a topic I will upvote this as Dumb A@$ Question of the Day I take back the no such thing as a Dumb A@$ Question comment.

Response by LCpl Justin Cuevas made Oct 2 at 2019 9:08 AM

LCpl Justin Cuevas — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 09:08:51 -0400

Hell no, wear what you earned, and be proud, those boots will get over it.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Oct 5 at 2019 12:18 PM

SSG George Duncan — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:18:34 -0400

lets change history so the ones who weren't there don't feel bad. next stop 1984

Response by SPC Carlos Pantojas made Oct 9 at 2019 8:32 PM

SPC Carlos Pantojas — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:32:42 -0400

How about tbose that deserve them but never got them..??

Response by SPC Carlos Pantojas made Oct 9 at 2019 8:35 PM

SPC Carlos Pantojas — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:35:47 -0400

What i see is that now there just giving the shits out like there candy when i spent almost 2 years in Iraq in the shit and did not get one i protected the first Iraqi president when America took over what the hell are you saying that is not worthy of of a combat patch..??

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Oct 12 at 2019 7:38 PM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 19:38:44 -0400

Does my CIB hurts your feelings? . Said no combat infantryman ever.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Oct 25 at 2019 9:25 AM

SSG George Holtje — Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:25:34 -0400

Stop judging people without them(maybe I just don’t wear one on a normal day, I’ve got more combat patches than uniform tops)

Response by SFC Johnny Robertson made Nov 4 at 2019 1:38 PM

SFC Johnny Robertson — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:38:48 -0500

Absolutely not! End of subject.

Response by Maj Michael Leon made Nov 10 at 2019 5:34 PM

Maj Michael Leon — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:34:05 -0500

This is a prank question, right? Of course they should wear what they've earned. Combat is what we train for. It should motivate the junior enlisted to earn theirs.
P.S. Ssgt Post, the Air Force earns their combat patches just like everyone else. Now my feelings are hurt

Response by PV2 Daniel Maude made Nov 13 at 2019 10:32 AM

PV2 Daniel Maude — Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:32:24 -0500

You gotta be kidding me. Fucking combat patches are eraned and if you want one join a combat unit and change your mos to infantry. The military is getting to fucking sensitive and cry babies need to fucking suck it up.its bad enough the have legs wearing black beret which belonged to rangers when i was in and to make them fell special. I earned my maroon beret . These things are supposed to be earned not given. Military is getting soft.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Nov 26 at 2019 1:22 PM

CPL Joseph Elinger — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:22:02 -0500

So? Answer is "too simple:"
They will.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2019 10:47 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 10:47:50 -0500

I have a hard time believing a commander would do this for “inclusion”. Sounds like barracks rumors.

Response by SGT Walter Wilson made Dec 10 at 2019 10:42 PM

SGT Walter Wilson — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 22:42:39 -0500

F No this sensitive BS has to stop

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Dec 13 at 2019 5:18 PM

SMSgt Bob W. — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:18:46 -0500

It gives the E1 & E2s something to look forward to. Wally, do we want to was time discuss silly stuff lilike it?

Response by SMSgt Bob W. made Dec 13 at 2019 5:19 PM

SMSgt Bob W. — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:19:47 -0500

Wally, do we want to waste time on silly stuff like this?

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made Dec 18 at 2019 1:26 AM

SGT Gary Stemen — Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:26:59 -0500

Can't control where you were, but don't take away action where others were....

Response by SSG Lauro Jimenez made Dec 20 at 2019 9:58 PM

SSG Lauro Jimenez — Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:58:13 -0500

What a bunch of fucking crybabies. Fuck this site. Poor me trump . And all u fucks that didn't go to combat, Sorry fuck heads we earned our combat patches and all benefits that go along with serving our country in a forward combat area. So suck it up dick weeds. This is the trump crybabies in the military.

Response by SFC Joe Kleinsmith made Dec 24 at 2019 2:14 AM

SFC Joe Kleinsmith — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 02:14:47 -0500

Phuck hurt feelings. Let greenies know who combat vets and heroes.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2019 12:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 12:20:06 -0500

My unit returned from afga and month before I got there and almost everyone got a patch I dont get butt her about that shit.

Response by Lt Col Angella Mudd made Dec 29 at 2019 2:50 AM

Lt Col Angella Mudd — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 02:50:14 -0500

You should be kicked out just for asking this question puño. If you’re this concerned about someone’s feelings being hurt over this I would definitely have my own concerns about your ability to be an effective wingman.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Jan 1 at 2020 9:51 AM

CPT Derek Wren — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 09:51:44 -0500

And here lies the issue with today’s youth and or those younger persons joining the military. Regardless of the amount of persons within a unit, battalion, or even brigade that have combat patches versus those that do not means absolutely nothing. A person that was in basic training and AIT while a unit was deployed cannot sit there and be butt hurt that they do not have a combat patch just because they weren’t there when the unit deployed. As a Company Commander, this was one of the many things that began to discussed me with the military, Army being my branch, for the fact that troops are now trained differently and you have to be sweet to them as well as not letting NCOs put their foot up someone’s ass when they screw up. Messing up in the military as opposed to messing up in the civilian world is to me and always should be different by means of “smoke or PT therapy“, however that to nowadays in many places or units has been somewhat taken away as to not add stress or whatever dumb ass feelings the person that screwed up has. To me that’s what sets the military apart from a civilian job, you join the military for a reason and I hate to tell you but combat is not always sweet or kind or friendly, and in some cases unforgiving. Back to the patches, if you’re active duty, stick around your ass will get one soon enough, National Guard and Reserve, again stick around and your will get one, and if you’re hell-bent on having a patch because it means that much to you, you can always volunteer with a unit that is deploying and or going to be deploying in the very near future. Units are constantly looking for service members to fill vacancies if the unit(s) strength numbers are not where they need to be. In the end, as someone beautifully put it above, suck it up buttercup and focus on the mission, not a patch on your arm.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Jan 2 at 2020 1:33 PM

SFC Richard Williamson — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:33:19 -0500

I served for 20 years active and am still serving and I don't have a patch, and to date, seeing a a warrior wearing one, I have nothing but the highest regard and respect, not only for the individual wearing the patch, but also the unit the patch signifies. Do I feel left out? Maybe, but not to the point of feelings being hurt. All Warriors who earned their combat patch, should wear them with Pride and never let anyone tell them otherwise. Blessings and remember to "Be Kind To Yourself!"

Response by SFC Pat Mattson made Jan 13 at 2020 10:42 AM

SFC Pat Mattson — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:42:54 -0500

Nope, however the combat action badge needs to go. Why? The combat patch.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Jan 18 at 2020 6:02 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 18:02:25 -0500

I'm looking for the LMAO section to cast my vote on this " you gotta be kidding me " issue. Can't find it, so I will go with WTH

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2020 11:34 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 11:34:56 -0500

No, thanks for the laugh though!

Response by SGT Tom Middleton made Jan 19 at 2020 12:26 PM

SGT Tom Middleton — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:26:12 -0500

The combat patch serves a purpose in non-verbal communication. Keep it.

Response by SPC Richard Zacke made Jan 19 at 2020 3:16 PM

SPC Richard Zacke — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 15:16:37 -0500

Hell no!!! I don't have combat patches but feel that those who do should be proud and show it off. I'm tiered of every one gets a trophy bullsh*t. Let call home and cry to mommy but you wear your very well deserved combat patches and hold your head up high. I'm not saying you should rub it in the faces of those who don't have any but you put your ass out there for this great country and we are proud of you for doing so. Less than 1% of Americans have even served in the armed forces. Let your pride show strong you will always have my gratitude for being brave enough to go and earn such an honorable patch or patch's. I'm sick of people whimpering that they want this or that let them earn it!!
GOD bless you brave souls and I think you owe it to the one's who paid the altimate price to wear them proudly!!!

Response by MSgt Mike Mooney made Jan 22 at 2020 9:38 PM

MSgt Mike Mooney — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:38:39 -0500

Pride! You earned it through blood, sweat and tears with your brothers and sisters.

Response by SGT Logan Clarke made Jan 26 at 2020 9:24 PM

SGT Logan Clarke — Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:24:25 -0500

I meant to hit no but hit yes shit

Response by SGT Logan Clarke made Jan 26 at 2020 9:25 PM

SGT Logan Clarke — Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:25:56 -0500

When I joined and saw everyone with a patch all I could think was god I want one deploy me ASAP but these up and coming soldiers make me sad

Response by SGT Aaron Tollman made Jan 29 at 2020 4:40 PM

SGT Aaron Tollman — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:40:20 -0500

Should you remove your medals because the new guy in the unit doesn't have any? Combat patches are earned just like medals, they will have their opportunities, and really if they are getting their feelings hurt because of Army tradition then they should really reconsider their career goals.

Response by CPL Jesse Cain made Feb 2 at 2020 3:16 PM

CPL Jesse Cain — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 15:16:02 -0500

You earn it you wear it

Response by Cpl Edward Brown made Feb 3 at 2020 1:18 PM

Cpl Edward Brown — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 13:18:03 -0500

When I was in the Marine Corps, I served between Vietnam, and everything that came after it. The only things I qualified to wear were the Good Conduct Ribbon, and my marksmanship badges. I would have liked a bit more color, but I also knew I was lucky. I realized I did not serve during a time of conflict, and therefore never faced the risks. I hold no grudge or jealousy for those who have multiple rows of ribbons, before they are E-3s or E-4s. They earned them. Just as important, I would hope I would not be judges simply because I served at a time with lesser risk.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Feb 6 at 2020 4:56 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:56:02 -0500

Not just no, BUT HE'LL NO. Those that wear a combat patch have earned the right to do so. If these butt hurt PV1 and PVT's don't like it along with the other butter cups, let the fill out a BUTT HURT report.

Response by PV2 Jonathan Phillips, was Reagan made Feb 7 at 2020 8:50 PM

PV2 Jonathan Phillips, was Reagan — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:50:21 -0500

Never retreat! Those patches were earned, some by blood. Do not disrespect the Honorable.

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Feb 24 at 2020 12:30 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:30:51 -0500

Are you serious? This isn't T-Ball. There are no participation trophies.

Response by SGT Malcolm Lorde made Feb 27 at 2020 11:28 PM

SGT Malcolm Lorde — Thu, 27 Feb 2020 23:28:58 -0500

After The Storm I was in Most Units the only one with A combat Patch felt good but the Senior NCOs didn’t like it because they was peace time

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2020 12:23 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 00:23:42 -0500

HELL NO.
END TRANSMISSION.

Response by 1SG J. Shannon Lewis made Mar 2 at 2020 9:37 AM

1SG J. Shannon Lewis — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 09:37:23 -0500

I've been retired for well over 13 years now and I'm seriously beginning to wonder about what I used to be apart of!!

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Mar 6 at 2020 6:11 AM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 06:11:22 -0500

Those who earn those patches should wear them with pride; if others are offended by them, that's their problem, NOT the responsibility of the ones wearing the patches! It's the offended who need an attitude adjustment, and catering to their feelings will not accomplish the desired result! Indeed, such "delicate feelings" realistically have no place in the military! What's next? Removing rank/rate insignias so as to not hurt their "feelings", because they're subordinate to others???

Response by MAJ Robert Wilson made Mar 10 at 2020 1:04 AM

MAJ Robert Wilson — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:04:41 -0400

I worked hard for my patches. I don't care if their feelings are hurt because they need to grow up. What they should do is look up to the people wearing a combat patch for their experiences and knowledge.

Response by SPC Richard Zacke made Mar 11 at 2020 9:07 PM

SPC Richard Zacke — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 21:07:45 -0400

MSG Wally Carmichael Hell no!!!! Those of you that have been in combat deserve everything we can give you. When I coached my sons little league football the parents got toghter and voted that every kid gets a trophy. I quit as coach and pulled my son out and sent him to Jr. High school football where he really excelled.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2020 11:02 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:02:56 -0400

It should be explained to the sensitive soldiers that you receive when you have completed a combat tour. What's next? Issue the same soldiers medals and awards so they are not left out because CSM has 20lbs of metal on his/her chest?

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Mar 12 at 2020 7:01 AM

1SG John Highfill — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:01:26 -0400

Response by CPL Ashley Vandemark made Mar 13 at 2020 7:02 AM

CPL Ashley Vandemark — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:02:38 -0400

No! I've never been deployed but I would never want to take that away from someone who has, people need to stop getting butthurt over it!

Response by PVT Edward Roselle made Mar 13 at 2020 9:03 PM

PVT Edward Roselle — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:03:10 -0400

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT!! WHAT THE FUCK??? Since when did Tinky Winky (tella tubbys) join the Army and get a fucking command? These people were deployed in a combat area... if you are new and you don't have one, fucking respect those that do, and get the fuck over it!!! SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUPS!!
You think I was upset when I joined a unit and didn't have combat patch from Vietnam? NO! But damned right I respected and thanked everyone I saw serving that had one! WOW! This is just one of the signs that is telling me the Army is getting weak!!!

"Drill Sgt.! I can't do push ups! My Emotional State isn't in the right mood right now!" *HEAD DESK HARD!*

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2020 9:00 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:00:59 -0400

Proud alumnus of Big Red One and 1st Cavalry. You’re gonna ask me not wear something I earned?
Is this like the cowardly Captain in the 1st Cav who plagiarized my flight log and awarded himself 3 of my Air Medals and the Army Aviation Badge because I wasn’t career and he didn’t think it mattered to me?

Response by SPC Jerry Jones made Mar 15 at 2020 7:16 AM

SPC Jerry Jones — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 07:16:16 -0400

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Mar 19 at 2020 5:32 PM

CPL Mark Garrigus — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:32:27 -0400

OMG Nancy,
That's it I'm done here.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Mar 21 at 2020 10:39 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:39:46 -0400

No If they want a combat patch maybe they need to volunteer for a unit going to combat then they could have one.

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Mar 22 at 2020 3:37 PM

SPC Bryan Gustafson — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:37:35 -0400

Let me answer the question with a question, "Should those who have earned awards, decorations or additional skill identifiers not wear them on their uniforms out of respect for those who do not have/have not earned them?" How absurd! If you've earned it - wear it!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2020 10:26 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:26:46 -0400

What’s next? It’s not fair that E7’s make more money than E1’s?

Response by PFC Sarah McChristian made Mar 27 at 2020 4:21 PM

PFC Sarah McChristian — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:21:00 -0400

No fucking way! Those were earned by you and they should be warn proudly! Is this a joke? Taking patches off so people don’t feel left out?! What kind of military is this? Things have sure changed since I was in. Wow.......

Response by SGT Larry Reed made Apr 12 at 2020 6:55 PM

SGT Larry Reed — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:55:31 -0400

When are boys going to grow up and be like men. If you want it you have to earn it. What's our military coming to. 1979 - 1983.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 15 at 2020 6:10 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 06:10:30 -0400

Should you remove your rank because junior Soldiers do not have the same grade.

Response by SGT Christopher Helvie made Apr 15 at 2020 7:38 AM

SGT Christopher Helvie — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:38:48 -0400

Good God No!!!! Sensitivity is for 1st graders, not the military.

Response by SFC Donald York made Apr 20 at 2020 9:12 AM

SFC Donald York — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:12:13 -0400

It's an honor to have received the coveted C.I.B.. so, what do you think my answer is?

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Apr 20 at 2020 11:49 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:49:28 -0400

It's like an award that one is awarded in a Theater of Operations. It's like removing a Ribbon that you earned but no one else has been awarded it. Is our service members starting to get a participation award because they are Butt hurt that they didn't get a trophy?

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Apr 25 at 2020 4:25 PM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:25:42 -0400

What you earn you should proudly wear! Taking patches off to keep the new snowflakes from feeling left out is similar to asking a power hitter to strike out on purpose when the new rookie pitcher is on the mound. Give me a break!!!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2020 5:22 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 05:22:13 -0400

What a crock of PC BS. Some pudding packing pc liberal must have been offended.

Response by SFC Jeremy Boyd made Apr 27 at 2020 12:42 PM

SFC Jeremy Boyd — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:42:44 -0400

Negative! A SSI-FWS is as much an earned patch or badge as any skill badge or tab, even more so when you think about it. It stands as proof that a Soldier has undertaken the most daunting task one can, engaging the enemy in combat. The Army's job is to fight and win wars, and the SSI-FWS signifies that. None of those junior enlisted, non-deployed Soldiers would be enthusiastic about it going the other way, if they earned a special skill badge or tab and were ordered to remove it from their daily uniform because other Soldiers, NCOs and Officers played the "I don't feel included" card.

Response by PFC Matt Ochmanski made Apr 27 at 2020 4:26 PM

PFC Matt Ochmanski — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:26:12 -0400

Just like basic now! Everyone gets the Army patch to feel like they are someone! In basic training we had a couple of reclassified troops come in! E-4’s and an E-5, all three had combat patches! We looked up to those fuckers! We have thought of having them remove what they earned, plus when we had Class A inspections they had ribbons and awards. Not once did anyone think that these fine soldiers remove items off their uniforms! They earned them so they wore them! That’s the issue now days, soldiers are getting butt hurt over the wrong things!

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Apr 27 at 2020 9:04 PM

1SG Ken Bedwell — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:04:31 -0400

Stupid question. Of course not.

Response by CDR Gary Wolfe USN Retired made Apr 30 at 2020 9:20 PM

CDR Gary Wolfe USN Retired — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:20:11 -0400

Screw the little entitled whiners - they are to aspire to have the things that are rewards and identification of those who have been there and done that - they are to aspire to be worthy of being included and welcomed into the company of those who 'Cut-It' by virtue of their accomplishing the exact same thing!. They left their feelings at the door of Boot Camp, if we can even call it that these days - Tough SH!T !!!

Response by SSG Richard Brue made May 1 at 2020 6:06 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Fri, 01 May 2020 06:06:31 -0400

The patch is earned, Not awarded. So it would be a "cold day in hell" before I would let anyone tell me I had to take it off. As for the new soldiers, too bad. We all were new at one time and we didn't have what others had. It just gave us all something work for. We never cried about it. We just went on being soldiers. And one more thing, a soldier can not a combat award: i.e. CIB, CAB, CFMB., without wearing a combat patch. So did they make the soldiers take apart their entire uniform?

Response by MAJ Michael Cummings made May 8 at 2020 8:22 AM

MAJ Michael Cummings — Fri, 08 May 2020 08:22:58 -0400

Doing so would be worse than the decision to remove soldiers branch insignia which was another REMFs way to "be equal" to others. Some dumb arse probably got promoted or awarded for that decision too.

Response by SPC Frank Doxey made May 9 at 2020 9:24 AM

SPC Frank Doxey — Sat, 09 May 2020 09:24:36 -0400

Combat vets get the CIB, people who go to jump school get wings people who are wounded get a purple heart. People earn what they wear with pride now we have younger people who went to school where everyone gets a trophy. This is life and you earn what you receive and wear it with pride.

Response by SPC Jerry McEntire made May 14 at 2020 8:36 AM

SPC Jerry McEntire — Thu, 14 May 2020 08:36:25 -0400

I can’t believe this is even a consideration! Those soldiers were in a combat zone and earned the patch! What’s next, everyone get a expert marksman badge just for being able to fire a weapon!

Response by PO2 LeRoy Matteson made May 15 at 2020 8:46 AM

PO2 LeRoy Matteson — Fri, 15 May 2020 08:46:36 -0400

You're grown up now, time to realize participation trophies don't exist in the real world.

Response by SSG Stephen Wondercheck made May 16 at 2020 1:49 PM

SSG Stephen Wondercheck — Sat, 16 May 2020 13:49:11 -0400

No!! We joined the army to go to war not to run away from them!!

Response by SFC (BJ) Billy Gober made May 17 at 2020 10:52 AM

SFC (BJ) Billy Gober — Sun, 17 May 2020 10:52:35 -0400

That is the problem with today's military your to weak. Don't worry about Joe shit feelings be soldiers

Response by SGM Omer Dalton made May 17 at 2020 6:40 PM

SGM Omer Dalton — Sun, 17 May 2020 18:40:03 -0400

You got to be kidding me. What stupid commander ordered their removal? Besides regulations authorize their ware. Is this a legitimate incident or something just to stir things up?

Response by SPC Ron Smith made May 21 at 2020 6:15 PM

SPC Ron Smith — Thu, 21 May 2020 18:15:14 -0400

Sensitivity to those that haven’t earned one. Maybe we should dissolve the military because it’s too sensitive to do anything. Friggin give me a break, all you non committed military, let’s make everyone equal, can go suck an egg. I earned my badges with a lot of sweat, stress and commitment to my country. If you don’t like that we show our badges with honor idea then get out of the military.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2020 10:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 May 2020 10:51:14 -0400

Asking a soldier to remove a combat patch to spare a privates feelings, is as stupid as asking a purple heart recipient to remove his ribbon. I would be curious to know how many whiny twinkle toed "non-combat patch wearing" officers and in the command making the decision. Why don'twe ask our enemies to stop using bullets while we're at it, wouldn'twant the new privates feelings hurt when his chest explodes.

Response by SFC C V made May 23 at 2020 1:18 PM

SFC C V — Sat, 23 May 2020 13:18:01 -0400

How about servicemembers making fun and using terms like "slick sleeve" to those who dont have a combat patch. We all volunteered by freely joining, know the consequences. The vast majority who have deployed, were made to. While I'm glad they made it back, talking negative about fellow service members who havent gone down range is wrong imo.

Response by PO2 David Davidson made May 24 at 2020 2:07 PM

PO2 David Davidson — Sun, 24 May 2020 14:07:29 -0400

E-1s & E-2s don't have combat patches and they are crying about their brothers and sisters that wear the ones they earned. I have been out of the military longer than you have been alive. Maybe twice as long. I can tell you this: when I was serving, if I would have brought up an issue like this, my life would have been hell. This is like asking a person with a Purple Heart not to wear their ribbon because you haven't had a chance to get shot. Jumping Jehosaphat!

Response by SGT Chris Hamilton made May 31 at 2020 7:26 AM

SGT Chris Hamilton — Sun, 31 May 2020 07:26:43 -0400

No, as someone that served post Vietnam, and during the times of the Panama Invasion and Desert Sheild/Desert Storm but did not participate in any of these operations I did not wear a combat patch. Feelings should never come into play in the military as to whether someone wears what has been earned.

Response by 1LT Murray Robinson made Jun 11 at 2020 3:50 PM

1LT Murray Robinson — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:50:34 -0400

I first thought this was a troll, but my God, it appears to be for real. Can a BCT even order that without permission from the Chief of Staff of the Army? Per Army Regulation 670-1, Soldiers are authorized to wear the combat patch of their higher headquarters. The patch is a testimony of sacrifice and loyalty to the individual's unit, the Army, and part of a rich Army tradition. When I was active duty and deployed to the NTC in 1987, there weren't too many combat patches around. So, as a young officer, I had the occasion to work around two senior NCOs from the 101st with double eagles, 101st combat patches and that was there current unit. It didn't make me feel bad or left out, it made me want to aspire to get one.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 4:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 16:35:10 -0400

NO! Earn like we all did!!

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Jul 9 at 2020 6:40 PM

MSgt Gary Hinkelman — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:40:49 -0400

They did something similar when we had to have change of command... Getting in our dress blues. Everyone was to not wear our ribbons/medals. They story we got was the officers were intimidated by many of us enlisted. We had been in and had served! Sorry many of the officers didn't.

My answers to your questions - Suck it up! Wear what you have and stand tall!

Response by SGT Andrew West made Jul 10 at 2020 6:41 PM

SGT Andrew West — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:41:30 -0400

Come back, sit them down, stroke their back, ask them how they feel, hold their hand and ever so softly scream at the top of lungs SUCK IT UP!! And pass them a butthurt card to fill out while doing dead cockroaches!!

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Jul 29 at 2020 10:27 AM

SSG Paul Headlee — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:27:29 -0400

That is absolutely f*ing hilarious! Thank you so much!

Response by SPC Elliot James made Aug 6 at 2020 12:26 AM

SPC Elliot James — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 00:26:47 -0400

These soldiers earned their combat patches, you want one you go earn it. Smh some people! Ridiculous

Response by PO2 Lawrence Janiec made Aug 7 at 2020 11:11 AM

PO2 Lawrence Janiec — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 11:11:19 -0400

I had to at least answer the poll here because just the subject line made me laugh. Did this actually happen, or are you just trolling us? Like, I question that something this idiotic would ever happen.

Then again, I've seen a lifetime of stupid actions, so maybe it's actually believable.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2020 1:04 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:04:16 -0400

I remember when i first enlisted and saw who did and did not have Combat patches. It was an honor if you had one. In my opinion tough cookies if you dont have one. Those who had one earned them and those who didn't strive to earn one. It is what it is and in my opinion NO LEADER has the right to take it away. I think it was wrong of the leadership to do it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2020 8:42 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:42:34 -0400

So I’m sure they don’t have airborne wings, aerosol wings, CA be, they have to earn it. They’ll be just fine in the sensitive army we have today. Lol

Response by SSgt TaShara Williams made Aug 24 at 2020 2:06 AM

SSgt TaShara Williams — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 02:06:28 -0400

WTF? Nope, And hell no. What you earn is yours. I’ve never heard of this. I have seen unit specific patches only allowed at specific units or while assigned to specific units. Whoever said go join the AF, must be a bit long in the tooth. We are everywhere baby. I love the banter. You May have more from one component or another, but combat loves em all. That’s how it is now, in case you didn’t know. Lol

Response by CPT Jose G Colon made Oct 29 at 2020 12:59 AM

CPT Jose G Colon — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 00:59:15 -0400

I do not have a combat patch. I never felt left out by soldiers with combat patches. We all worked together. The Cold War Era soldiers understood and honored those who had seen the bear. The new generation needs to understand that this is not modern kiddie sports where everyone gets a participation certificate...

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2020 10:26 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 10:26:43 -0500

Does it make sense that if you worked 500+ hours to receive recognition for hard work and received an award for your work, that your little brother receives the same award for your work? The answer would be obvious, but we as humans do not think about the state of others around us, we only think about ourselves. To remove the Combat patch (which specifically is designed to recognize those that have been deployed and thus giving recognition to those that have experience that the army can use to pass down) resembles that we are adhering more to emotion than we are to a proper logical approach to maintaining a good fighting force. I know it's cliche to say, but the enemy will not care how we "feel" when in battle, and the enemy will utilize our weaknesses against us (just as we do against them). While E1s and E2s feel "left out" what should be replaced with that is the motivation to succeed when the chance comes to them, rather than feel dis-satisfied that they do not have something they have not earned yet. The military force should not focus primarily on providing satisfaction to those who join - we all sign the dotted line to give our lives in the defense of the nation. There are incentives, and rewards, and experience to be obtained and earned, but life is not easy or fair to everyone, and those that think that it's unfair that something as simple as a combat patch (which is not about them, it's about those who have earned it and how the experience has help them progress in their own career and life experience) should remember that not everyone can join the military in the first place, and that becoming part of the military is already an achievement that 90% of the population will never do, which has it's own accolades. But it doesn't stop there, and the more experience you want to achieve, the more you can earn in respect and experience, so go out there and earn it, instead of complaining you don't have something that you have not earned yet.

Response by SPC James Ernest Johnson made Dec 29 at 2020 3:06 AM

SPC James Ernest Johnson — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 03:06:51 -0500

It should not matter to the new greenhorns!
We deployed, We were in a COMBAT THEATRE, We did our tour there, We Came Back Home Safely and Returned to our units, And WE Earned our spot to be classified as a COMBAT SOLDIER!
They should have No discord about that because eventually, they will get their chance also! AND YOU LITTLE STIFFS BETTER NOT TRY TO WEASEL OR CHICKEN OUT OF A DEPLOYMENT EITHER!! IT'S WHAT YOU SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR TOO!

Response by Pvt Nicholas Hernandez made Mar 3 at 2021 8:56 AM

Pvt Nicholas Hernandez — Wed, 03 Mar 2021 08:56:43 -0500

On the flip side, some of us will never have an acknowledgement to particular services. Simply because of the classified nature. So E1's and E2's stop bitching for nothing.

Response by SGM Daniel Lape made Mar 10 at 2021 9:15 PM

SGM Daniel Lape — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:15:13 -0500

Response by SSG Brian Flick made Aug 16 at 2021 7:51 PM

SSG Brian Flick — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 19:51:07 -0400

No problem, throw out tradition, respect honor and everything we hold most dear along with it. Let just rack up core values and respect to our elders as well. Notice a curve downward yet, just wait.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Nov 18 at 2021 9:50 AM

SSG Dave Johnston — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:50:36 -0500

Ah, NO,WTF the BN Cmdr thinking

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Nov 18 at 2021 10:15 AM

MSgt Frank Askins — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:15:00 -0500

If they have their feelings hurt because they don't have a combat patch, tell them to ignore the cardinal rule of "never volunteer for anything" and be the first to volunteer the next time the unit is scheduled to deploy. Having been in a war zone, I would also caution them to "be careful what you wish for"!

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Nov 18 at 2021 4:50 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 16:50:01 -0500

All this "sensitivity" in our society, but especially in the military is total bull. Letting it infiltrate the military is ludicrous ... service men & woman are supposed to be immune to such lame, weakminded garbage. If I earned a combat patch and was told not to wear it for the sake of some weanie's feelings, I honestly think I'd laugh ... then ask to see a regulation, OR refer to the regulation about wearing patches. In short, I'd probably insist on the right to keep wearing it.
Leaders need to strive to keep any vestige of "woke" OUT of the military. What the heck is happening to the warrior ethos?

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2022 10:22 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:22:02 -0400

No way! I earned mine and proud of it!

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Sep 21 at 2022 10:36 PM

SSG Jack Scott — Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:36:41 -0400

Why don’t we just remove our rank too and call your CO Bob!

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Mar 19 at 2025 10:04 PM

PO3 Michael MacKay — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:04:27 -0400

Get out there and get it done, whatever "it" is...we don't work for ribbons, we work for results, and it is not always a front line position. They sound like they don't have their heads or their hearts in the game, put them on the bench, send them to the showers, or send them home.

Response by LTC Myron Opfermann made Mar 20 at 2025 11:54 PM

LTC Myron Opfermann — Thu, 20 Mar 2025 23:54:02 -0400

We should punish soldiers who earned combat recognition? Who are these new soldiers, two year olds? They need to but on their grownup pants. Their day will come.

Response by MSG William Wold made Mar 23 at 2025 2:39 PM

MSG William Wold — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 14:39:09 -0400

Seriously? I did 6 active and 27 Reserves. I had my Vietnam combat patch on my shoulder. Once I had a Captain tell me it was unauthorized. Later that day in a company in ranks inspection, I actually had a. General doing the inspection. He stopped at me, asked a couple questions, with the Captain trailing. The General actually took two steps back and saluted me. He turned to the Captain and said were very fortunate to have such brave dedicated soldiers, and I wouldn’t have known that had he not been wearing that patch.

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made Apr 5 at 2025 4:33 PM

SFC Richard Baerlocher — Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:33:41 -0400

NO! They do not have combat patches because they were never in a combat zone. Honor those that served in combat zones, don't make them hide this to appease the memebers that have never seen combat or been overseas. Their attitude is childish.

Response by LTC Rodney Joye made Apr 5 at 2025 11:11 PM

LTC Rodney Joye — Sat, 05 Apr 2025 23:11:56 -0400

You have to be "ing" kidding me. Pershing is likely rolling over in his grave over this one.

Response by TSgt Mike Ruble made Jun 5 at 2025 11:21 AM

TSgt Mike Ruble — Thu, 05 Jun 2025 11:21:37 -0400

That is like having a participation trophy, no one has the right to take away something they earn; because someone doesn’t have a combat patch. They want credit for something they haven’t done. We didn’t join for recognition, but serve our country.

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Jun 16 at 2025 1:33 PM

SCPO Lonny Randolph — Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:33:33 -0400

Honestly? Is this a real thing or is someone pulling a stunt? You earn your rank badges right, should some no rank fuzz butt get to wear Senior Chief anchors cuz he/she/it is jealous or feels undervalued? You earn your ribbons, you earn your rank, you earn your qualification devices - you display them on your uniform to proclaim your achievements and your authority.... This has just got to be a badly written sea story (or dirt story I guess)

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jun 16 at 2025 4:31 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:31:01 -0400

Is this a real question? If it hurts you f**king feelings because you didn't earn one, tough $hit.

Response by LTC Matthew Schlosser made Jun 16 at 2025 11:46 PM

LTC Matthew Schlosser — Mon, 16 Jun 2025 23:46:06 -0400

By this logic, all the Zoomies who "deployed" to Ali Al Saleem or wherever for 90 days should be issued a bronze star because it's not fair that they didn't get shot at.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2025 2:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jun 2025 02:28:25 -0400

Combat patches are earned!
Im sorry that they feel left out but I shouldn't have to give up my patches because of their feeligs!

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Jun 22 at 2025 8:25 AM

PFC Zanie Young — Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:25:29 -0400

From one private who has been somewhere to those who have not been through training yet: Stop whining! You gotta earn those patches!

Response by COL Larry Saul made Jun 22 at 2025 8:40 AM

COL Larry Saul — Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:40:32 -0400

This is an idiotic policy. Absolutely no one with a combat patch should be required to remove that symbol of their experience.

Response by SFC Jerry McLellen made Jun 22 at 2025 6:18 PM

SFC Jerry McLellen — Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:18:48 -0400

Combat patches have become "participation symbols". It doesn't matter if you were a direct combatant or a unit clerk, supply clerk, etc. (REMF, as we used to refer to them as), you get to wear the patch. It has been that way for too many years. So what makes a Basic or AIT cadre member that is only looking for advancement to begin with to volunteer for "DI" to flaunt a combat patch if they were never close enough to combat to hear a gunshot or IED going off? The new soldiers are not being left out because they don't have the patch...unless of course the REMF cadre thinks they are something special because they have one. This is coming from a retired senior NCO who is fed up with the military members who thrive on the "Thank You for your service" narrative. If they need pats on the back for being patriotic, they shouldn't be in the service of their country to begin with.

Response by MAJ Stephan Hill made Jun 22 at 2025 11:33 PM

MAJ Stephan Hill — Sun, 22 Jun 2025 23:33:48 -0400

Those soldiers earned those patches. If you stay in long enough you’ll have a chance too.

Response by MSG Lou Faulkner made Jun 24 at 2025 11:14 AM

MSG Lou Faulkner — Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:14:01 -0400

Combat patches should definitely be optional, as I know quite a few soldiers that were embarrassed to wear the ones authorized; but, the wearing of them should never be dismissed for wokeness. A young soldier will more likely respect what is told him/her by a person wearing one than not.

Response by CW2 George Clogston made Jun 24 at 2025 11:36 AM

CW2 George Clogston — Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:36:03 -0400

It’s not a “Participation Trophy” Sweetheart.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Jun 25 at 2025 2:08 PM

SFC Barbara Layman — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 14:08:45 -0400

So, if we remove the patches, do we also remove the hash marks? How about service bars? The whole point is to give credit where credit is due. One of the best things about the US Military uniforms is that one can see the experience of each individual because their service is acknowledged by the shoulder patches, awards and hash marks on their sleeve. It's one of the things that makes us all one family.

Response by SFC Andy Gordon made Jul 7 at 2025 5:11 PM

SFC Andy Gordon — Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:11:30 -0400

If I could fill in an answer, it would be "hell no". That is part of the soldier's history. I enlisted at the end of Vietnam war, lots of combat patches and us newbies would think about bitching about it. I never felt left out because that's the way it was. I salute all combat patch veterans.

Response by SSG Stephen Kimball made Jul 8 at 2025 1:13 PM

SSG Stephen Kimball — Tue, 08 Jul 2025 13:13:55 -0400

no. their time will come and they will have one
The BCT commander should be relieved for blatant disobedience to Army Regulations.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jul 8 at 2025 4:28 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Tue, 08 Jul 2025 16:28:07 -0400

Sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time. You can't begrudge people for what they earned. If you were in a unit that deployed and you have combat experience, consider that your good fortune. If you were in a unit that didn't deploy, it's not your fault you didn't go to combat. Life isn't always fair.

The Army likes to adorn themselves with patches and bling, and that's their thing. The Marine Corps is a little more subtle about adorning their uniforms. Generally, you're not going to know just by looking at a Marine where they have been or what they have done unless you study their ribbons -- and that may not tell you everything... Where the recognition really matters is in your service record book. When it comes to getting promoted, all other things equal, the person that has combat experience is going to get selected over someone who doesn't have it simply because you have a known quantity versus an unknown. The Promotion board is going to go with the one who has been tested and is proven. Again, for those who didn't have the opportunity to go, that's just how it goes. Sometimes things just don't go the way you want, and that's just the way it is...

If you're in the Army and you rate the combat patch, wear it and don't be ashamed of making someone else feel bad just because they don't have one. At the same time, don't let it go to your head. Don't look down on someone who, through no fault of their own, didn't get the experience you did. They are not less than you; they simply didn't get the opportunity you did to prove themselves. Consider yourself lucky that you didn't catch a sniper bullet, have a mortar land next to you, lose a limb to an IED, get a brain injury, etc. The people who deserve our respect, and in some cases sympathy, are the ones that paid the price for their combat experience in blood.

Response by Sgt Douglas Berger made Jul 8 at 2025 5:46 PM

Sgt Douglas Berger — Tue, 08 Jul 2025 17:46:21 -0400

A tough question. I do not know why anyone who did not serve in combat would want to claim. I see several veterans wearing hats that say "Vietnam Veteran," displaying ribbons awarded to those who served in the Vietnam War. It is common, and we should disregard those who make false claims.

We all have better things to do - golf.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jul 10 at 2025 10:41 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:41:46 -0400

You should be ashamed of yourself. You almost made me spill me beer in laughter. This isn's a "everyone gets a trophy" thing. Either you get a combat patch or you don't.