Should you wear headgear when pumping gas?

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:12:04 -0400

If you are pumping gas do you wear headgear? Is it "under cover" if the location has a cover to protect you from the rain?

Yes, this keeps me up at night.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 12:16 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:16:16 -0400

I have been known to not wear headgear if I am pumping gas at the base service station (AAFES) but if I am off base then I always put the cover on.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 12:20 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:20:54 -0400

IMHO, yes. I put mine on when pumping gas.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 12:21 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:21:35 -0400

I would call the gas station outside and I believe headgear should be worn. But then again in the Army, y'all salute in PT gear, in reality on a Army base, I have no clue.

Response by SGT John Rauch made Sep 29 at 2015 12:24 PM

SGT John Rauch — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:24:37 -0400

keeps you up at night? ha ha ha. thats funny, but to answer the question, yes. next people will ask if a shade tree counts as cover.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Sep 29 at 2015 12:33 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:33:29 -0400

I remember watching someone get chewed out for pumping gas off base in cammies.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 12:53 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:53:04 -0400

I always put my cover on but I've always felt like I shouldn't have to. I was never criticized for not but I heard others who were and figured it wasn't worth the fight.

Response by SGT David T. made Sep 29 at 2015 1:08 PM

SGT David T. — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:08:19 -0400

I usually did. Not as much on the few occasions I wore a uniform as a civilian employee admittedly.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Sep 29 at 2015 1:22 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:22:39 -0400

If the question keeps you up at night...I think his answer would keep you up for years. I would say either reference 670-1, or just keep your headgear on.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 1:29 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:29:35 -0400

LTC Private RallyPoint Member I am a Private, there could be 12 Soldiers pumping gas, 6 Officers, 5 NCO's and me, none using our headgear, guess who would have to push if somebody from a higher rank didn't like the picture? I always use it but merely as self defense, hehehe.

Response by SSG Roderick Smith made Sep 29 at 2015 1:44 PM

SSG Roderick Smith — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:44:30 -0400

Yep. The way I see it, if you aren't on a flight line, in a no hat/no salute area, or indoors, you should have it on. Let's be honest... you're outside. Technically, you're safe, but I just think it looks wrong.

Response by SGT Neil Chandler made Sep 29 at 2015 1:56 PM

SGT Neil Chandler — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:56:09 -0400

Yes, if my ACU's are on, my headgear is on......heck i even wear it driving. I am proud to wear my uniform.....jusayin.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 2:36 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:36:12 -0400

The Navy always seemed to have a ridiculous amount of "gouge" on such things. I always tended to have my cover "on" whenever I wasn't inside a structure or vehicle...It just made common sense. That said, it would seem a little "boot", and a little "butter" (hey, great new product idea..."Booter Butter" shoe shine!) to have people rendering honors while topping off between pump 4 and 6. I suppose if you wanted to be on the "safe" side...keep it on.

Now...to go write that jingle;

"Booter Butter, it's the best...makes your boon-dockers shine better than the rest! Paratroopers, Sailors too...know Booter Butter is better for you!"

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 4:33 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:33:25 -0400

I always wear mine and I feel that everyone else should too.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 4:39 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:39:14 -0400

I recently witnessed a troop of mine being called out for not wearing his cover. I walked up to find out what was going on, to discover that an E7 had witnessed him get out of his vehicle, then immediately put his cover on. The E7 was upset and ripping him because he didn't put the cover on BEFORE getting out of his vehicle. I found it difficult to keep my composure and not laugh while the E7 was ranting so much he was forgetting to breathe. Some people take it to far.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 6:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:53:59 -0400

Sir-
Great question because this is one of those gray type areas. BLUF though I am a Noncommissioned Officer, I maintain and enforce standards, so no matter where I am, if I am in uniform, I have my headgear on.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2015 9:11 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 21:11:51 -0400

I wear headgear whenever I'm outside a building. Even in my vehicle, for the most part.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Sep 30 at 2015 3:45 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 03:45:44 -0400

If it had a large awning I didn't have my cover on most of the time. I would if I was going to walk into the gas station/Shopette.

Response by WO1 Jose R. made Sep 30 at 2015 5:45 AM

WO1 Jose R. — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 05:45:04 -0400

If you are pumping gas your are technically outside, if you are outside you are required to wear headgear. Yes there is an overpass cover, however there are no walls to classify it as indoors.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Sep 30 at 2015 6:44 AM

SrA Matthew Knight — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:44:04 -0400

Unless there is a no hat sign I wear mine. I have seen people without theirs on and I never question it but I myself will stick to wearing it. It's a habit to put it on when outdoors anyway.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Sep 30 at 2015 9:30 AM

Cpl Clinton Britt — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 09:30:32 -0400

If you are outside, then again, a lot of our training sessions were outside and we had to keep our covers on even under a shelter. We were on duty though

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 9:30 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 09:30:40 -0400

I would say wear it. It's not a designated cover-free area and the usual overhead is little more than a convenience for foul weather so people will still get out of their vehicles and get gas.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Sep 30 at 2015 1:24 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:24:04 -0400

I always wear mine. I'm in the National Guard and drive 5 and a half to 6 hrs away. After drill I don't feel like changing into civies to drive home, I just want to get home. So when I stop for gas I'm always afraid of that CSM/SGM or anal SSG coming outta now where to chew my a$$ for not having my cover on! I always take off my cover and some times my top when I drive. If I get out first thing I do is put on my cover, then get out, then put my top on exiting the vehicle, if it is off!

Response by PO1 John Miller made Oct 1 at 2015 5:47 AM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 05:47:59 -0400

I've thought about having my DD214 printed onto a ball cap and wearing that! :)

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 1 at 2015 7:29 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:29:31 -0400

Just to dispel another urban legend, the phrase "under cover" does not appear in either of the 670-1's... just a thought.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 7:45 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:45:17 -0400

Well ... I put mine on most of the time ... since I am already in uniform ... and it looks better for me and to the public that is "watching" me.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 7:48 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:48:41 -0400

Too often these uniform and protocol infractions are nothing more than somebody asserting power and authority to reinforce their fragile ego. Typically, I look at then like they have an appendage growing from their foreheads and ignore them.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 7:32 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:32:35 -0400

LOL. I wear mine, but it doesn't keep me up at night!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2015 7:05 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Oct 2015 19:05:53 -0400

CPT Brian Maurelli, I see that this is a few days old so you may have already gotten your answer. However, just in case, no it's not cover, sir, (unless your in that other branch, you know, sir, the one that serves on ships) anymore than the awning over the front door to your unit if you have one. The key is walls, sir, you must have at least three for it to be considered cover, if I'm not mistaken, but I will verify and get back with you on specifically how many walls, but I know the gas pump doesn't have any and if I see you without it sir, I'm gonna remind you that we had this convo or if I don't recognize you I'll just say "Sir, And tap the top of my head gear after we make eye contact and salute you, sir.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Oct 2 at 2016 12:59 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:59:23 -0400

Policy is outdoors You wear Your cover, a roofed location without enclosing walls is outdoors and has nothing to do with the size of any roof or overhang. Indoors You remove Your cover unless You are under arms. Pretty clear and simple. Perhaps You won't find someone that worries about this and that fine but that is policy on all branches of the Armed Forces.

Response by SSG Mike Merritt made Oct 10 at 2016 11:19 AM

SSG Mike Merritt — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:19:14 -0400

I don't and I put my hand in my pocket as well... after some fucktard MSG tried to chew my ass for having my brown round on inside the shoppette and seeing one of Sand Hills CSMs eat his ass up, I kinda stopped caring. Everyone interprets shit differently.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 10 at 2016 11:21 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:21:50 -0400

"When in doubt, salute" You're outside, it won't kill you and I don't think anyone will yell at ya for it.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Oct 10 at 2016 11:33 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:33:31 -0400

I always wore mine, but guess I'd have been a target of that E7 (if he/she felt like correcting an officer), because always put it on after getting out of the vehicle. Showing my age here, but back when, you weren't authorized to wear BDUs off base. If I happened to have them on rather than my normal flight suit when I was refueling, I always worried that someone would see me and comment on that..... although I never was up all night worrying about it☺

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made Oct 10 at 2016 11:55 AM

SGT Alejandro Benavides — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:55:32 -0400

Good rule of thumb is to just wear it. The consequences are lesser if you put it on but didn't need to than not put it on but needed to.

Response by SrA Dane Noecker made Oct 10 at 2016 12:00 PM

SrA Dane Noecker — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:00:55 -0400

I don't know how things have changed since, but at Dover AFB (16 years ago), the gas station on base was a No Cover/No Salute area while under the canopy pumping fuel. I believe this was the same at Langley. And policy back then also stated that covers were not required while in a vehicle (whether opened or closed top). All other areas were SOP.

Response by 1SG Bill Farmerie made Oct 10 at 2016 12:07 PM

1SG Bill Farmerie — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:07:18 -0400

The reg has never said under cover, but says indoors. Does anyone know how to read anymore?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 12:10 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:10:54 -0400

Technically yes and no! If the military member is under cover by a man made structure then they have the option of taking it off. It's the same as being inside a building. But, if a higher up and this is the kicker, tells you to put it on then by all means put it on and save yourself some face time. If someone not in uniform tells you something you have every right to challenge them. Note, it has to be done tactfully, one never knows who they are speaking to or with. So respectively one would ask the other party to identify themselves by means of military ID and if they out rank you then you know the drill.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 12:27 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:27:45 -0400

You're under a cover when you pump gas you shouldn't need to put your headgear on I would argue with anyone over this

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 3:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:01:05 -0400

If there is an overhead or cover, I do not wear mine. I am under cover. Also AR670-1 should have something about pace count to have your cover on or off.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 3:40 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:40:11 -0400

Cover is defined as 3 walls and a roof of where you are does not meet that requirement you're supposed to wear it

Response by LTC Marc King made Oct 10 at 2016 5:43 PM

LTC Marc King — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:43:21 -0400

The only time it should NOT be worn (for sure) is when the head is in rectal defilade... and for those who this this is important that might be a chronic condition...

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 7:23 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:23:55 -0400

This is a no brainer. If there are not 4 walls surrounding you, you are not inside.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 8:19 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:19:00 -0400

It's at the Commanders discretion. At NCTAMS PAC, it is required to wear head gear even if the area is covered. I constantly correct Sailors on this when they are pumping gas. Unless specified, remain covered when not indoors. By Naval instruction, Sailors are REQUIRED to wear a covered while on a military installation and while in their vehicle, personal or government while traveling on a military installation. The only time a cover is not required is indoors or where directly indicated.

*So yes, remain covered, even while in you're vehicle. Not sure where the disconnect is.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2016 8:46 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:46:24 -0400

Technically you have to wear headgear, the regs state that you can only be uncovered outside if you're surrounded by 3 walls and a roof. Do I put on headgear while pumping gas? If I'm in a civilian area then yes, I follow the regs to the letter when in public. On military installations no one ever puts on headgear while pumping gas so I really don't, but out in public I want to be as correct as possible.

Response by CPL Jay Strickland made Oct 10 at 2016 9:41 PM

CPL Jay Strickland — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:41:44 -0400

Ar 670-1 does not have an under cover exception to outdoor headgear requirements. That said the E-7 was being a a prick as the solider immediately put on his headgear while exiting the vehicle. Many of us are too tall to get our headgear out of are pocket while sitting in a vehicle necessitating getting out of the vehicle before putting on headgear.

Response by SSG Drew Cook made Oct 10 at 2016 10:54 PM

SSG Drew Cook — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:54:27 -0400

When I was at Schofield it was at one time CGs guidance to wear it, then another CG came in and threw it out. So really, who knows?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 12:05 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 00:05:15 -0400

You should always be in full uniform when outdoors. Your still outside so you have your pc on even under the roof as the gas pump. Idk how we are questioning this common sense subject. If you have to question of you should wear your pc in certain situations your probably in the wrong and should wear it since it part of your dang uniform.

Response by SGT Stefan Humphrey made Oct 11 at 2016 1:06 AM

SGT Stefan Humphrey — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:06:20 -0400

Really this keeps you up at night, geez your social schedule must be packed hmm buddy!!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 5:44 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:44:36 -0400

I would say yes, you could probably wear the headgear. However to expect someone to put it on before getting out of the car is a little crazy. I mean do you put your headgear on in a building before you walk out, or do you put it on once you exit. Lets be honest, is it that big of a deal. The precise moment when you put the cap on is trivial at best. if someone yells at you for this, then he or she is looking for reasons to yell at people. This is someone who has too much time on his hands.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Oct 11 at 2016 9:00 AM

CPT Tom Monahan — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:00:02 -0400

Okay, this one hits a new level of stupid. You wear your cover when filling your car at the pump. Gas stations are normally outside for a reason. If you are pumping gas inside at AAFES or BP you have more to worry about than your cover.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2016 12:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:21:36 -0400

I could be wrong here, but I believe the regs say it has to have a roof and be walled on at least 3 sides to count as cover. So yes you must wear it while pumping gas.

Response by James Adair made Oct 12 at 2016 2:19 AM

James Adair — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 02:19:40 -0400

forgive my ignorance but i do not think it matters... personally i don't care if you are just pumping fuel then it should be left up to you unless its on-base refueling

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 4:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:55:42 -0500

Another reason I live the Guard. Cuts out the stupid shit like this.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 6:18 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:18:17 -0500

Eh I don't wear mine sometimes when pumping. I also don't wear mine on the back of the company that's covered kinda like a gas station. If someone bitches, put it on. If no one says anything then how do you know if you're wrong. Now if you don't have it on and see a higher up so you put it on then you know you're wrong.

Response by SCPO John-florida Killin made Jan 9 at 2017 6:31 PM

SCPO John-florida Killin — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:31:48 -0500

Yes, the cover should be worn, but this is not an issue worth an admonishment. When you exercise authority over someone outside of your command, it should not be for a uniform infraction. There's an old saying, "Choose well the hill you want to die on."

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jan 9 at 2017 6:52 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:52:53 -0500

good lord, we seldom took our cover off except when changing to cicies. This was in the early 80s in Germany. we had camouflage under our hats. maybe take it off to see the CO, maybe. now lets talk about our porn 'staches

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Jan 9 at 2017 7:48 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:48:03 -0500

I don't know why or why not, you are under the cover of the canopy but its still outside

Response by TSgt Daniel Wareham made Jan 9 at 2017 7:49 PM

TSgt Daniel Wareham — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:49:08 -0500

Yes. You're not in a building or in a No Hat area. He was wrong and needed to be corrected. Now.. the next question is was he corrected correctly or was it being blown out of proportion to actual size of the offense?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 7:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:56:38 -0500

The people who get upset about this are generally of below average intellect and worry about everyone else instead of themselves. Hence when I some some dumbass CSM yelling at a troop for no cover on while pumping gas, yet the next day ol CSM is walkin around on a cell phone. The command cell phone relieves you of any regulations. Another reason to be done with this organization.

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 8:20 PM

LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 20:20:14 -0500

Of course you wear it. Fred Meyers doesn't have the authority to authorize a "cover free" zone.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 8:42 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 20:42:22 -0500

Ive always been told that 3 walls and a roof make a suitable cover. Not sure if that is regulation. Never really cared. Always wear my cover if im not on a flight line.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 8:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 20:49:58 -0500

I'm sure this may have already been covered but just in case and since I don't want to read all the comments, nowhere in Ar 670-1 does it say anything about the number of walls or calling headgear cover. It is headgear. If you are not indoors then you are outside and that requires to wear your headgear, unless it is in an area marked for no headgear (i.e.. flight line, no salute no headgear area).

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 8:55 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 20:55:49 -0500

Just read the regulation, its pretty clear.

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Jan 9 at 2017 9:02 PM

GySgt Melissa Gravila — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 21:02:45 -0500

Hahaha- YES wear your cover- now you can sleep peacefully at night (sweet dreams).

Response by SSG Chris Allsopp made Jan 9 at 2017 9:57 PM

SSG Chris Allsopp — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 21:57:26 -0500

Cover is three walls and a roof. The factor he got uppity. He's a dick. Treat troops with respect, and demand adherence to rules as such. With respect. Actively being a fuckstain and making a scene is disrespectful to the uniform you, and the person you are correcting wear. That and you have no balls.

Response by SSG Chris Allsopp made Jan 9 at 2017 10:05 PM

SSG Chris Allsopp — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 22:05:54 -0500

3 walls and a roof equal cover. Correcting a subordinate for failure to realize requires a simple question "hey (whatever rank) do you realize you're required to wear cover in this uniform?" "
If they're stuttering, freaking out, now is not the time to kill, it's a time to mentor. "Relax (rank) put your head gear on." Goddess the put the gear on. " (Rank) :::recite proper regulations::: requires you to wear cover when you are exposed to elements. Under ::: regulation::: (define open elements)." Reassure (rank) and recommend they remember. Lessons learned. You're not a dick, and you may have earned some fucking respect instead of demanding it.

Response by SSG James Dennis made Jan 9 at 2017 10:55 PM

SSG James Dennis — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 22:55:50 -0500

When in doubt, whip it out...headgear, that is.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 11:18 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:18:10 -0500

Hahah love it...when the Army stops worrying about head gear under or not under, we will be heading the right direction. We do not "Big Sarge" out there trying to destroy troops over head gear under the pump. We need him/her teaching war-fighting and mentoring. This is the one time I will say "If you are an NCO or Officer worried about this and just looking to be the big bully on the block, you are an asshat"!

Great post Sir. By the way, I am all for doing what is right but common sense matters and so does being professional.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2017 11:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:25:14 -0500

I don't put it on when I'm pumping gas. Technically by regulation you need a roof and at least 3 walls to be considered as covered but I don't hassle myself with small minor technicalities as I have more important things on my mind but some people like to be "hooah hooah" all the time to feel better about themselves so I'm sure those people disagree with me

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jan 9 at 2017 11:28 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:28:39 -0500

You should not. The fumes can collect under the bill of your cap and possibly blow your eyebrows off.

Response by PO1 Ronald Parker made Jan 9 at 2017 11:37 PM

PO1 Ronald Parker — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:37:33 -0500

yes

Response by SFC Dante Alanis made Jan 9 at 2017 11:58 PM

SFC Dante Alanis — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:58:28 -0500

Indoors...

Response by SFC Ken Reynolds made Jan 10 at 2017 1:19 AM

SFC Ken Reynolds — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:19:37 -0500

The soldier put his cover on outside as required. The E7 was an asshole and wrong... end of story!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 1:35 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:35:30 -0500

By regs, cover is defined as a structure having 3 sides and a roof. By this definition most gas stations don't qualify as cover. With that being said, I could care less if any of my guys wear their cover while they fuel up. It seems like an antiquated technicality at this point, and in all reality it doesn't really matter.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 2:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:04:45 -0500

Geez, dude needs to get a life

Response by SPC Michael Mead made Jan 10 at 2017 3:59 AM

SPC Michael Mead — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 03:59:28 -0500

Some folks just don't have enough to occupy their time, so they've got to prove what a real jerk looks like. Pipsqueak priorities.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 6:29 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:29:08 -0500

If you have to think so hard your nose bleeds about a question regarding uniform regulations the answer will most likely be yes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 7:09 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:09:49 -0500

I have to go with the simple cover/no-cover rule. If the pump has a roof (like many stations do) then no cover is required. Someone could still yell at me, but they could be wrong. Otherwise, I think i t would fall to a post or command policy letter.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 7:48 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:48:07 -0500

Yes. From my understanding under cover consists of three walls and a roof

Response by SFC Eddie Adkins made Jan 10 at 2017 8:24 AM

SFC Eddie Adkins — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:24:37 -0500

Yes it's important! It's following the simple rules that you think are ridiculous...that shows TRUE leadership!
SFC, RETIRED

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 9:07 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:07:52 -0500

And this is why the national guard is so much better. We don't give a shit about this crap. Lol

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 10:37 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:37:49 -0500

It's clear in black and white you are only authorized no head gear when there are 3 walls and a ceiling.... and inside your vehicle is optional. And you have 6 paces coming in or out of a building of leeway technically. AR 670-1 is the law

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 10:51 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:51:03 -0500

This is rediculous, people take it to far. He put his head gear on. It's not like he sat there with no head gear on.

Response by MAJ Jr C made Jan 10 at 2017 11:16 AM

MAJ Jr C — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:16:31 -0500

It's outside. Easy. But as for "loosing it" for getting out of the car before putting it on "whatever dude."

Response by SFC Dave Beran made Jan 10 at 2017 11:47 AM

SFC Dave Beran — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:47:44 -0500

Yes you should. At least back in the Stone Age when I was in.

Response by Cpl Kerry Hotard made Jan 10 at 2017 12:13 PM

Cpl Kerry Hotard — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:13:33 -0500

Wearing your utility uniform off base is trashy. You are a representative of your branch and shouldn't disrespect it by wearing the utility uniform in which you use every day training like crawling around in mud during basic training. Being seen in public wearing your utility uniform should be a last option for emergencies only. As far as on base, I believe the UCMJ says if you are under a covered area you do not have to wear a cover, and nothing about inside or outside.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jan 10 at 2017 12:28 PM

SMSgt Thor Merich — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:28:34 -0500

I always wear my headgear when pumping gas. As a SNCO, I have to set the example. Its a simple rule, Outdoors - headgear, Indoors - no headgear (unless armed).

Response by D Shin made Jan 10 at 2017 12:48 PM

D Shin — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:48:35 -0500

Read the regs. It says it all in there.

Response by CPL Jonathan Phelps made Jan 10 at 2017 1:09 PM

CPL Jonathan Phelps — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:09:25 -0500

If it has a roof over the pumps then you dont need your cover on now if ya walk to the store and out from under the roof yes you would need it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 1:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:49:02 -0500

Not only should you be wearing your cover while pumping gas, you should also be wearing your reflective belt, have a composite risk management plan for pumping gas in your upper left pocket, a five point contingency plan just in case they are out of the fuel brand you want, a nine line medevac card in case something goes wrong, and an updated DD93 and SGLI just in case because this ain't your grand dads military any more while saluting and whistling the Star Spangled Banner because you never know when a retired Command Master Chief Major Sergeant Gunny E-4 Operation Desert 'Nam veteran is going to sneak up on you

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Jan 10 at 2017 2:28 PM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:28:19 -0500

While I was on active, if in uniform I didnt take it off in either my dispatched vehicle or POV

Response by SSG Robert Hall made Jan 10 at 2017 2:59 PM

SSG Robert Hall — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:59:56 -0500

If you put you cover on immediately after realizing it and then that NCO said something..... tell that fucker to go pound sand and then squirt him with gasoline. I got no time for rahtards discussing a mistake that I fixed before they could say something. Guess that's why I retired as a SSG. STAY GOLD PONYBOY

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 3:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:19:06 -0500

When in doubt, whip it out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 3:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:47:54 -0500

Ok here it is ... I believe the ref states that cover has to be on within 3 steps of leaving the bldg .... so tentativly a car door is a door and therefore someone would be within regs to step out of vehicle door and put on cover.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 3:49 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:49:45 -0500

I was pumping gas at the gas station on base without my blouse or cover on, it was in the 90's and the officer a few pumps away didn't care when we made eye contact. Midway through filling my tank a pickup full of E-7's drives by, reverses, and one jumps out. He starts yelling my name (stupid butt name tape), and telling me to put my blouse on. I casually walk to my passenger door and put my blouse and cover on. He's even more irate when he sees I'm an nco The E7 then asks where I work and what department, I make some shit up, and the guy keeps babbling about regulations. When my pump clicks I quickly put it back and jump in my car. At the point the e7 is jumping then guard rail that separates the gas station from the sidewalk and is coming toward me. I put my key in the ignition and proceed to leave. When I look in my rear view mirror the officer that had witnessed the whole thing was doubled over laughing.

Response by SFC Carmelo Echevarria made Jan 10 at 2017 3:57 PM

SFC Carmelo Echevarria — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:57:47 -0500

The real question should be: was the fuel pump operator wearing his PT belt. You never know if someone runs over you because one was not wearing his cover. I recommend body armor and helmet in addition to the PT belt, just to be on the safe side.

Response by MAJ Jol Rodlle made Jan 10 at 2017 4:07 PM

MAJ Jol Rodlle — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:07:14 -0500

What does 670-1 say? In Iraq there was a CSM that always had issues about the uniform...but he only corrected officers, needless to say, he was a prick.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 4:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:13:06 -0500

There is no such thing as cover anymore. It's ether indoors or not.

Response by LCpl Allen Luze made Jan 10 at 2017 4:47 PM

LCpl Allen Luze — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:47:15 -0500

Way back in the old days when I still wore a uniform, off base we weren't allowed to stop anywhere if wearing bdu's, you were required to go straight home, change into civvies, then go out in public (also, you had to be in an enclosed vehicle, bicycles and motorcycles you had to wear civvies). Granted, this was the late 70's - early 80's when it was not popular to be in the military.

Response by PO3 Steve Ireland made Jan 10 at 2017 5:13 PM

PO3 Steve Ireland — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:13:00 -0500

That's the kind of crap that keeps people from re-enlisting. Wow... I've been out for 42 years... and it still holds true... what's fantastic about the military is that it keeps chickenshits like that douchbag E-7 off the streets

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 6:23 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:23:43 -0500

This is what AR 6701-1 says about wearing headgear while "operating" or riding in or on a POV or civilian travel.
(But in my humble interpretation, headgear need not be worn while "under cover".. I would not belittle someone for not wearing headgear while under the awnings of a gas station.

Headgear is not required if it would interfere with the safe operation of military vehicles. Wearing military headgear is not required while in or on a privately owned vehicle (to include a motorcycle, bicycle, or convertible automobile), a commercial vehicle, or on public conveyance (such as a subway, train, plane, or bus).

So, if the E7 was in the Army and was going after one of my troops for not having his headgear on before exiting the vehicle, I would probably politely ask him to move away from my Soldier. Conflict or aggressive behavior or trying to nit pick that Senior NCO would be of no value to anyone.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 6:29 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:29:56 -0500

I usually don't wear it. But working at an Army Airfield has me kind of spoiled, so I don't know if you're supposed to or not. Very few people do where I'm at.

Response by MAJ Wayne Sweeney made Jan 10 at 2017 6:33 PM

MAJ Wayne Sweeney — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:33:42 -0500

Sooooo, How anal can some NCOs with nothing to do can get?

Response by SFC Rob Frisk made Jan 10 at 2017 6:35 PM

SFC Rob Frisk — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:35:01 -0500

I'd treat in a pov as "under a cover" as is with most gas stations now a days... the troop covered immediately when exiting just as you would a building. To me, that senior NCO acted like a young power hungry junior-or a paper warrior. (Good on paper, not worth a shit down range)

Response by SPC John Jones made Jan 10 at 2017 6:40 PM

SPC John Jones — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:40:37 -0500

yes unless you are under full cover, I mean walls and ceiling.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 7:28 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:28:22 -0500

I think some of you guys need to chill on this topic, technically he is under cover if there is a cover over them. Nothing but a small man syndrome trying to be a tough guy

Response by SSG John Leach made Jan 10 at 2017 7:39 PM

SSG John Leach — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:39:59 -0500

I always put my cover on before getting out of the vehicle and still do to this day . But if the put it on after exiting the vehicle , I would say he was tall and didn't want too screw up hours of shaping a damn cover

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 7:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:46:05 -0500

Cover is defined as 3 walls and a roof. With this yes you should be wearing head gear but I know off post most people don't care

Response by SGT Steve Hohman made Jan 10 at 2017 7:49 PM

SGT Steve Hohman — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:49:02 -0500

LTC, I want to state that such items as head gear amount to attention to detail and SSG was right on along with MSG. In battle, it is the attention to detail that will bring all your soldiers home and though you find trivial we find those who pay attention to detail survive combat.
Former NCO

Response by CPL Daniel Conorino made Jan 10 at 2017 8:20 PM

CPL Daniel Conorino — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:20:11 -0500

I thought therewas leway if there is a large overhead cover

Response by SGT Darush Zardoust made Jan 10 at 2017 10:19 PM

SGT Darush Zardoust — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:19:34 -0500

Really? If your outside you wear a cover. If your inside you do not. As far as the E7 he was being an ass. I promise you he had done the same as many of us and not being lighting quick to put his cover on.

Response by CPL Matt Shoemaker made Jan 10 at 2017 10:30 PM

CPL Matt Shoemaker — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:30:26 -0500

The only time cover is considered acceptable is when there are at least 3 walls attached, so unless you're parking in a fuel bay to fill up, you should keep your cover on. *per what my leadership always quoted me during my enlistment*

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 11:13 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:13:50 -0500

"IF I HEAR ANOTHER SO CALLED LEADER SAY BACK WHEN"... WELL CHANGE HAPPENS..."IDIOTS"...
SOMEONE WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY NONE OF THE LEADERS IN THIS FORUM USED ANY AR's . . ONE GUY SAID "I'M AN NCO I ENFORCE THE REGULATION BUT NEVER USED THE REGULATION."
WEAK....."YOU BOYS FROM THE SOUTH AND MIDWEST MAKE MIGHTY FINE SOLDIERS"! REPEAT' "YES A MASTA, Sgt" I du wat u want me do.... I'm laughing at all of you.
I would pay anyone of you good money to disrespect me in public.
First, the readers inside this forum. All regulation begin by say the NCO should be a competent leader and should lead by example. Second, no one at any rank is bullet proof or made of metal. These "Boys" just haven't been punched in the mouth.
The Army needs to test soldiers to move up in rank. The leaders who came in before 2005 are trash. Because you either bully soldiers or you don't speak up to correct your "battles"...... Thank God We Have Rangers and SF because we would loose the war without them.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Jan 11 at 2017 4:46 AM

SGT Robert Wager — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:46:10 -0500

You wear your headgear when you outside. "Under cover" is open to interpretation. When in doubt put your headgear on. If you are in a leadership position you always set the example. If you have chevrons or shiny stuff on your headgear Joe is looking at you to know what right looks like. I don't think anyone would question why you are wearing your headgear pumping gas, so the logical answer is to wear the complete uniform while out of doors even if there is a rain shelter covering the pumps. The question should never come down to "do I have to wear the complete uniform?" The default should always be, wear the complete uniform.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 5:45 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:45:33 -0500

I was always told drill SGT's and 1SG's that as long as there was an overhang we were good to go.

Response by LCDR Anthony Montague made Jan 11 at 2017 8:33 AM

LCDR Anthony Montague — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:33:52 -0500

To be succinct, the awning is just that, an awning. It is not an enclosure, so yes.. a cover should be worn. I never wore my cover while driving, as I am 6'5" and my cover would catch on what little overhead clearance I had. Stepping out and immediately placing your cover is perfectly acceptable in accordance with the prevailing circumstances

Response by SGT Felicia King made Jan 11 at 2017 9:46 AM

SGT Felicia King — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 09:46:51 -0500

Don't get butt hurt, the E-7 was just having a bad day and needed to rip into a random private. I got hollered at a time or two for wearing my PC instead of the beret outside the motor pool .... I didn't take it personal, I said 'yes, Sgt' retrieved it or gave a bullshit excuse and moved the f*** on.
I thought I noticed you were AF before so perhaps you're stationed at Pope and it was one of the Bragg NCOs ... just pull up your big girl panties and move on, it'll be okay

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 10:09 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:09:16 -0500

Three sides and a cover constitutes "under cover", not just a ceiling.

Response by PFC Lacey Burke made Jan 11 at 2017 11:29 AM

PFC Lacey Burke — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:29:11 -0500

I think it would depend on if the pumps were covered and how large the covers were (large awning or simple top to protect the pump) it would also depend on the uniform you were wearing.... Class A berrett could be damaged by any gas spill that occured vs PC could easily be cleaned... then again if in class A's probably shouldn't be pumping gas anyway

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jan 11 at 2017 11:29 AM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:29:59 -0500

This was in 80's. And I'm in the Sir Force. He is driving onto a Marine Base. And the guard at the gate tells him to wear his cap in the car. And it's not a convertible. So In a gas station.

Response by MSG David Mathis made Jan 11 at 2017 11:31 AM

MSG David Mathis — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:31:01 -0500

If it is under cover then it is not required to wear a cover. Even if it is not, the cover does not have to be worn while in car. So putting it on as soon as you get out of the vehicle is permitted.

Response by Sgt Dennis Johnson made Jan 11 at 2017 12:19 PM

Sgt Dennis Johnson — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:19:16 -0500

Depends on branch of service

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 12:27 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:27:21 -0500

Simple fix, change clothes before leaving your AO

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 1:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:21:12 -0500

Discipline folks. Unless the gas pump is indoors or on a flight line, why do you have to be told to be in complete uniform? Just pump your gas without your top or one boot off. See how that works for you.

Response by PO2 Joseph Lucas made Jan 11 at 2017 2:09 PM

PO2 Joseph Lucas — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:09:00 -0500

While the Army is pondering this controversial issue, the Navy and Marines are saddled with minor issues such as defending the country.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 3:05 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:05:23 -0500

It's amazing how the Brits, Aussies and Kiwis can have a competent military without any of our reindeer games. It's almost like stuff like grooming standards and when to wear headgear has absolutely zero impact on combat effectiveness...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 3:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:10:52 -0500

As per AR you have 6 paces in and out of cover to put your headgear on and be in uniform for that specific situation.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 3:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:52:00 -0500

To put this simply, yes, while pumping gas wear your headgear. Unless you are surrounded by walls and a ceiling, wear the headgear. Now when it comes to when to put it on, well...what does it matter. Just make sure you're wearing it and remove it if you go inside the gas station.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 4:28 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:28:10 -0500

Unless there's 3 walls I don't consider it under cover, sir

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 4:31 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:31:18 -0500

If u r under cover, unless it has changed, u do NOT need to wear your cover. Stand at ease, let the NCO, he IS WRONG, with respect, and go back to pumping your gas.

Response by SSG Joseph Walker made Jan 11 at 2017 5:50 PM

SSG Joseph Walker — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:50:51 -0500

Are you kidding me!? Is this REALLY an issue!? I rarely wore my head gear when I got out of my car to pump gas. If I was going inside..sure, I would put it on walking to the shopette but if I am simply getting out of my car to pump gas...whats the big damn deal!? Too many egocentric NCO/Officers out there needing to flex their muscles. I bet one months pension if you followed that same "corrections officer" around for a week, you could catch them violate the same regulation, if there is one! I don't know, its been nearly 5 years since I got out.

Response by SGM Lonnie Durand made Jan 11 at 2017 5:56 PM

SGM Lonnie Durand — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:56:24 -0500

I've read some of the comments: really? Which reg is next? Gas stations have never been declared headgear free, on or off post. Know your service reg!

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 6:23 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:23:57 -0500

If your under an awning technically your under a cover shouldn't be a big deal. But if you have what like 2 steps to put it on in common out of a building you should have the same getting out of a Vic. But like someone said it's just an ass on a power trip.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 6:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:46:32 -0500

Being at the old gaurd, you could call us a master of AR 670-1. The rule of thumb to go by is if the structure has a roof covering you, it must also have 3 walls. 2 walls or just posts holding up the roof doesn't count. Obviously changes depending on branch, but it's a safe bet if you follow it.

Response by SP5 Trevor Halloran made Jan 11 at 2017 8:03 PM

SP5 Trevor Halloran — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:03:22 -0500

A roof is only qualified as cover if it is supported by three walls.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 8:16 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:16:42 -0500

No on the headgear, if there is a canopy overhead

Response by SPC Brandi Docksteader made Jan 11 at 2017 10:56 PM

SPC Brandi Docksteader — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:56:07 -0500

Honestly, there is a time a place to pull rank and go apeshit. This isn't that serious.

Reminds me of the time I was fresh off of maternity leave and was getting my ACUs on and had just laced my boots (I had a hip injury requiring surgery from a turret system being dropped on top of me less than a week coming off maternity leave caused by an idiot fucking around with a forklift and dropping what amounted to 300 lbs of steel on me and so I was temporarily not doing pt at the time, my back was so fucked up when I was x-rayed the x-ray tech literally screamed and asked how in the hell did I walk in the room. Anyhow, back to my original story). Halfway through getting ready I went to check on my fussing 2 month old only to see her face extremely flushed and checked her temperature to find it at 102.3 so I didn't even skip a beat, didn't bother to grab my ACU jacket or her diaper bag or anything, just got her to the Emergency room. So I'm freaking the fuck out while they are trying to lower my daughter's temperature and getting ready to stick a needle in her spine and the curtain to her little area in the ER was open just a crack and some peeping tom nosey jackass captain who happens to be passing by sees me out of uniform and decides to start yelling at me. This mama bear shut his stupid ass up real fast. I told him my daughter may be dying and he has the audacity to get in my fucking face and if he didn't step the fuck off right now I was going to rearrange his mug and I know for a fact my high stress emergency situation would excuse me through any charges with an IG complaint. He beat his ass out of there real fast. Found out later while my daughter was in NICU from her doctor that the idiot tried to talk about me to another officer in the ER and they reamed him a new ass. Never saw his stupid mug again.

Doctors said I did the right thing, an ambulance would have taken longer than my one way trip through heavy morning traffic to get her there and the fact I didn't pause for anything was the correct call- I didn't even get her dressed, she was still stripped down to a diaper from when I checked her temperature, I just put her in a car seat and grabbed a blanket to protect her from the rain on the way to the car and ran out the door. I got her there just in time as her temperature was still climbing and if I had been only a moment or two later she would have most likely suffered brain damage or died.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2017 11:27 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:27:54 -0500

So your troop was being ripped by an E-7 for an infraction (seems trivial based on my 26yrs of experience and what you laid out). My question is, "What did you do?", step in as your troops leader even though you are outranked or stand back, take notes and then have a sidebar discuss with the troop about the incident?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 12:06 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 00:06:08 -0500

Some people just need to mind their own damn business. He's pumping his gas leave him alone. Jesus half of this bs is why soldiers get out.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 2:14 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 02:14:16 -0500

If there is something overhead then no cover is needed, in my opinion.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 4:34 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 04:34:45 -0500

If you take your top off, un-tuck your shirt, un-tie your boots, un-blouse your pants, you're not in uniform so no hats required

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Jan 12 at 2017 5:55 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 05:55:31 -0500

E-7 over zealous, get outside put on cap, simple. See someone with no cap on, say put your cap on. Walk on.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 7:16 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 07:16:35 -0500

I used to be a huge rebel and not wear a cover while driving my convertible with the top down on post.

Response by PO2 Richard Etolen made Jan 12 at 2017 7:50 AM

PO2 Richard Etolen — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 07:50:58 -0500

I was to understand if you're outside, you wear a cover. There's really no need to get into semantics. IF someone calls you out for getting out of your car and not wearing it for a split second, they may have to re-evaluate their life somewhat.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 12:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:02:30 -0500

It depends on post regulations. Some may consider that as cover, others may only consider cover as a building with a specific entrance or exit.

Response by SGT Evans Justin made Jan 12 at 2017 2:57 PM

SGT Evans Justin — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:57:02 -0500

I would say yes you should wear your cover but the rub here seems to be when the soldier put his cover on. I don't see anything wrong with him waiting until he was out of the vehicle. How many times have we had to carry something with both hands from inside to outside and either had to leave our covers on inside or put down the heavy ass shit we were carrying and put it on at the door then pick it up again. Who gives a shit except for some hero E7 who thinks he's in charge of something.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 3:15 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:15:22 -0500

Yes, you should. Cover is defined as three walls and a roof or ceiling. This is what was taught at the USA Drill Sergeant Academy.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 4:06 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:06:33 -0500

If you want the technical answer, "cover" 5 years ago, the last time I know it to be true, was overhead and three sides, as in bleachers at the range. There was no set time limit, by this E7's logic, the troop would also be in violation for the two seconds he was in the car with the cover on as well. I agree with the assessment that this was an ego hound.

Response by SGT Mathew Norman made Jan 12 at 2017 5:09 PM

SGT Mathew Norman — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:09:09 -0500

I remember when i was at Ft Campbell. about 5 years ago there were people posted up at the Gas stations taking names and plate #'s of people who didn't wear their PC

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 5:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:34:45 -0500

That's why I'm glad that I'm out. When head gear keeps you up a night, you have more problems then the guy pumping gas with no head gear. The whole world not liking our leader keeps me up at night. Good luck active leaders.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 5:55 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:55:45 -0500

If a bird can shit on your head, wear your headgear

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 6:04 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:04:20 -0500

Do you have an awning over you, then don't worry about it. As long as you are under cover you're good. It's like walking from one building to another that has covered sidewalks. If you step outside of the cover god help you because angry NCOs with laser beams attached to their heads will kill you..LOL.

Response by SFC John Gatz made Jan 12 at 2017 6:07 PM

SFC John Gatz — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:07:56 -0500

Probably some whom has never been in combat or a fobbit, maybe a drill sgt. Lite up, I have seen way more disregard for regs. Such as soldiers in mall parking lots walking around with headgear in uniform, smoking. Now that is a beat your face moment. Do not be a toxic leader it only effects morale. Be a strong leader your troops will follow you to the pits of hell if need be.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2017 7:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:42:01 -0500

Yes you should have your head gear on

Response by PV2 Christopher Graham made Jan 12 at 2017 8:48 PM

PV2 Christopher Graham — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:48:07 -0500

The way I did it when I was in was on post, cover on. Off post, at my discretion.

Response by SPC Jessie Ferruolo made Jan 12 at 2017 10:16 PM

SPC Jessie Ferruolo — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 22:16:59 -0500

I was always under the impression that "cover" requires at least three walls. That's being said I was always under the impression you had the same number of pages (6?) From cover as you do from presenting a salute.

Hope this was on base as I would hope for a little more composure from an nco in a public place.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 4:36 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 04:36:41 -0500

I just stick to the "Flight Line" as the only authorized no hat/salute area. Everything else, you'll see me with my cover.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 6:57 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 06:57:10 -0500

Yes, you wear it. And you have to keep your hands out of your pockets. But, you can grow a beard if your religion requires it, wear a turban, have dreadlocks if you're a female, and get a sex change. Welcome to the 21st century.

Response by SPC Peter Tranquillo made Jan 13 at 2017 8:04 AM

SPC Peter Tranquillo — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:04:57 -0500

This is the problem with todays military. He was pumping gas. Cover or no cover who cares. Hell I remember a time when a smoking area was a no headgear no salute zone. The E7 was being a prick plain and simple. Unless the soldier is all sorts of wrong, there is never a reason to berade him/her in public. A simple "hey soldier how you doing? Have a great day." Would have been the right thing to say. Way too many leaders nowadays who use their rank as a means of bullying, simply because they were bullied as a child.

Response by SPC Christopher Coleman made Jan 13 at 2017 8:47 AM

SPC Christopher Coleman — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:47:16 -0500

Here's the thing first of all he put his cover on. Second of all of your only job in life is to be a dickhead because of what you see is a timing infraction you must suck as an nco. Third if you were to approach me off base after hours and I'm on my way home you'd probly get a big f you and I'd leave cause your a dick....

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 9:28 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:28:23 -0500

This is what's wrong with our Army today. Soldiers, NCO's and Officers know something is wrong and do it anyway. Then you want to turn around and say our Soldiers are not disciplined. If you can't do the right thing in the first place you are helping in creating an undisciplined force. Do the right thing enforce the standards not only in voice but in your actions or get out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 11:39 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:39:33 -0500

I think the bigger issue is that the soldier did have his headgear on, but the E-7 thought the service member should have but his headgear on before he exited his POV the soldier did the right thing and the SNCO is being a butt head.

Response by SGT Roger Childs made Jan 13 at 2017 12:48 PM

SGT Roger Childs — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:48:42 -0500

The pilot never had any issues with me having the cover off while pumping the fuel.

Response by SPC Kari Grove Wright made Jan 13 at 2017 12:57 PM

SPC Kari Grove Wright — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:57:55 -0500

I was in civilians at the gas station. I saw an E6 had just finished pumping gas. There was no cover. He was a great distance from the store building, he walks in and buys stuff. Then walks the great distance back to his vehicle. Not being a military area, I think he figured no one would see him. I asked him where his cover was? He replied "my what?" me: "Your Cover?" again: "What?" Your: "Cap" He then goes off on me about how he doesn't need to wear it as he's at the gas station and within so many feet of his vehicle and I need to read up on my regulations. I said I know my regulations, maybe you should read them. Last I knew this had nothing to due with what the regulations say. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the gas station changes what you wear and how you wear it. You never know who is watching, do what is right.
I wore my uniform with pride and respect.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 2:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:09:05 -0500

On Ft. Hood its a rule to wear your PC at the pump. They even a courtesy patrol consisting of E-7s rolling around to make corrections throughout the day. Youll see them hanging around the shoppette gas pumps looking for Soldiers that dont put headgear on when pumping gas. Lol

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 2:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:13:28 -0500

Find in the regulation where it talks about headgear and "cover". Last time I looked it only talked about indoors, outdoors, and designated areas by the commander.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2017 4:08 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:08:25 -0500

Okay, I've recovered from my laughter and can now offer my thoughts.

BLUF: unless required by regulation or duly published installation or local command policies, Soldiers are not REQUIRED to wear headgear when pumping gas at a gas station. Sailors, Marines, Airmen, and Coasties will have to refer to their own authorities for guidance.

AR 670-1 and DA PAM 670-1 contain no provisions governing the wear of headgear under these circumstances. In the absence of Army regulations, Soldiers should look to installation or local command policies to see if they regulate the wear of headgear. If there are no installation or local authorities that govern the wear of headgear under these circumstances, then guess what, Soldiers? Wearing headgear while pumping gas is OPTIONAL.

Now for my two cents:

1. A senior Soldier who approaches you to tell you you're wrong for wearing or not wearing your headgear while pumping gas ought to know the authority s/he cites before correcting a junior Soldier. To those senior Soldiers, I say, "Know your authorities. Don't make them up. Make sure your Soldiers know them BEFORE you enforce them. As a leader, you owe your Soldiers that. Poor leadership will reflect negatively on you."

2. As CW5 (Ret.) Poulton asks: Does anyone really think this is important? Is it really important to publicly address it with a Soldier? Is it really important to resist the "correction" or otherwise get your blood in a boil? Either way, life will become a lot harder if you make a big deal out of it. My advice: Just roll with it and MOVE ON. Life is too short to quibble over minor stuff like this.

Response by 1SG Roberto Peralta-Vazquez made Jan 13 at 2017 4:23 PM

1SG Roberto Peralta-Vazquez — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:23:25 -0500

Gee we have bigger issues to worry about than this. Gimme a break.

Response by SSG Waldo Yamada made Jan 13 at 2017 10:32 PM

SSG Waldo Yamada — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:32:52 -0500

In USARPAC, you take off your cover under the Lanai. It's all about location. Wouldn't be proper to walk into CSM and he's scolding you for not being in uniform on CONUS.

Response by SSG Joseoh James made Jan 14 at 2017 12:46 AM

SSG Joseoh James — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:46:12 -0500

Fort Hood regulation 190-5 specifically states that you will headgear while pumping gas. The awning above does not constitute "cover".

Response by LCpl James Nicholas made Jan 14 at 2017 12:23 PM

LCpl James Nicholas — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:23:38 -0500

In the mid 80s we were not to get out of a pov to pump gas and was to use full service stations. This was for cammies only. Blues, Alphas etc were ok.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2017 2:03 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:03:46 -0500

I use the e85 pumps by the diesel and was reminded by a fueler that it wasn't a requirement. I still wear it anyway.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2017 3:31 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:31:34 -0500

I've been in for 17 years now and it sounds like the E-7 has issues. When leaving a building you have a minimum of 6 steps before you have to have your cover on. You don't have to have it on when driving, so when you exit your vehicle and put it on immediately after that perfectly fine. And besides you never scold a soldier in front of the public. It only shows you as poor leader. A leader shows himself or herself as an example of what someone aspires to be.

Response by SPC Taylor Austin made Jan 14 at 2017 5:03 PM

SPC Taylor Austin — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:03:35 -0500

He does not need to wear his head cover. 1. There is a roof. 2. The poles holding it up are the walls. 3. All the open space is an entry/exit.

Response by SSG Shawn Nelson made Jan 14 at 2017 7:47 PM

SSG Shawn Nelson — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:47:27 -0500

I'm now retired. Although many gas stations have overhead cover, I've always erred on the side of caution and wore my headgear.

Response by PO3 James Carter made Jan 14 at 2017 8:01 PM

PO3 James Carter — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 20:01:52 -0500

The way I always understood it was that it was up to you local command as to whether or not you wore your cover in you POV and various places you didn't or did have to wear it..when I was at Fort Hood back in the day for awhile there you didn't have to wear your cover in you POV or for certain things, like gas as in this case...I believe right before I PCS'd to Germany, the CG passed a regulation in that you had to wear your cover in the car..as to the reasoning behind it..I don't even remember really......

Response by SPC Kristina Robinson made Jan 14 at 2017 8:37 PM

SPC Kristina Robinson — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 20:37:53 -0500

Charlie foxtrot

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2017 9:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:32:03 -0500

This is the petty crap that causes good SMs to exit the military. It's like the dirt bag E7 who counsels Soldiers for outing car keys in their pocket while walking away from a vehicle because the Soldier was "walking with his hands in his pockets." So stupid.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2017 4:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 04:36:10 -0500

I'm sorry to say but that E-7 had his panty in a bunch...

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Jan 15 at 2017 6:06 AM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 06:06:04 -0500

Yes it's as simple as that.....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2017 1:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:26:14 -0500

I have been told that unless your "cover" has 3 or more walls and a roof, you must wear your headgear. Although once exiting your cover you have up to roughly 6 steps or so (i can't remember the exact distance) to out your headgear on.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2017 1:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:27:41 -0500

I have been told that the only time you can not wear your headgear is when your "cover" has at least 3 walls and a roof. I've also been told that once exiting your "cover" you have a few steps before your headgear must be on.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2017 5:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:02:32 -0500

If I'm under cover like regulations says I'm not wearing it. That's what's wrong with some of you NCO'S now don't take time to read just assume cause you don't know or you pick and choose what you want to take from the regulations and try to put it into your words.

Response by SGT Niel Chase made Jan 15 at 2017 11:04 PM

SGT Niel Chase — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:04:46 -0500

The best way I was told what 'under cover' meant was from one of my 1SG's while I was in. He said, "under cover applies if there is a roof and at least three walls, other than that, you are outdoors and must wear the appropriate uniform". Thus, at the gas pump it is outdoors.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Jan 18 at 2017 11:44 PM

CPT Jim Schwebach — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:44:43 -0500

Here in Texas you wear aore hat all the time. Except maybe when yore making love, sometimes,

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 9:03 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:03:15 -0500

Sir, for me, I technically would still wear my headgear while pumping gas, even if its just for a little bit.
Honestly, its probably just on preference if your under an awning of some sort (like at a gas station). But generally Id prefer wearing my headgear whenever im outdoors.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 9:44 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:44:27 -0500

To just pump gas, no headgear is needed. If you decide to go inside to pay or buy a snack then you obviously should put your headgear on.

Response by SGT Drew Clark made Jan 26 at 2017 12:33 PM

SGT Drew Clark — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:33:19 -0500

Cover is on always, outdoors.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2017 11:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:06:48 -0500

Common sense.
Do we wear our covers while pumping at a fuel point? Or do we wear civies?

If you're in your uniform and you take pride in the uniform, just wear the PC.

If you don't want to wear your cover while pumping, then don't wear the uniform.

Response by SPC John Ringo made Jan 31 at 2017 7:24 AM

SPC John Ringo — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 07:24:39 -0500

I always approached headgear from the POV of Supreme Court rulings on what defined a 'closed structure.' Thus I would wear headgear when pumping gas or when washing down my jeep in an open bay. But if there were doors that could be closed to entirely enclose the structure (such as heavy drop or a mechanic bay) I would not wear headgear.

Arguably, that says no headgear inside a conex. If working entirely in the conex, no headgear makes sense. If moving in and out of the conex, retain headgear.

Hope that helps.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Jan 31 at 2017 7:29 AM

CPO Charles Helms — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 07:29:17 -0500

In the Navy we are covered outside all the time!! You are technically outside, and should remain covered!! Why is this so hard to figure out??? Come on Army!!

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Jan 31 at 2017 11:48 AM

SFC Russell Shaw — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:48:40 -0500

What do you think is the right thing to do? Use your thought process for bigger things. What do you believe is the right thing to do? If you truly believe you are doing the right thing in an area that is questionable then don't spend your time worrying about it. If the person who finds this to be an issue take the high road. When we take the high road in any situation we know we have done the right thing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2017 6:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:54:41 -0500

Wasn't to long ago I had a e7 yell at several of my troops to get their damn cover on. They where standing in a breeze way right outside of a door under cover. I asked what is going and was told while outside they should have the cover. I pointed out cover over head and was told to stand down. Roger that SFC, and I told my troops to cover up. After the E7 left I told my troops to drop their cover due to them being under cover and to find some damn other place to smoke and joke where the e7 wouldn't lose his shit for nothing.

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Feb 8 at 2017 9:47 AM

SSG Paul Carrier — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 09:47:29 -0500

The question isn't should you have headgear on but who is pulling security ?

Response by SP5 Dave Tharps made Feb 8 at 2017 4:48 PM

SP5 Dave Tharps — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:48:34 -0500

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Feb 8 at 2017 6:54 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:54:03 -0500

I would say yes to it because that is not consider as under cover By AR670-1 but being in a company or in the BN headquarters that is different. SSG MARK FRANZEN USA VET

Response by Nyawi Barnes made Feb 9 at 2017 11:58 AM

Nyawi Barnes — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:58:57 -0500

I'm a proud Army wife who donates a great deal of time to my husband's unit FRG. I'm am very supportive to both the dependents and the soldiers. I take every opportunity to educate myself on Army life and support programs, either through ACS or through Army One SourceSafe. Whew!

That said. My husband earned his rank. He is serving our country. He is making sacrifices (though I support him through his service). The point is, I have no right nor claim to anything that I have not personally done with my own two hands.

Btw: I'm also a proud honorably discharged Army veteran.

Response by CPT Ted Dannemiller made Feb 14 at 2017 6:17 AM

CPT Ted Dannemiller — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 06:17:08 -0500

YES.
Stop being a guardhouse lawyer, and don't try to stretch the edges. Leaders lead by example, and headgear is a standard. Put it on and represent.

Response by MSgt Michael Blair made Feb 14 at 2017 1:46 PM

MSgt Michael Blair — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:46:27 -0500

“Should you wear headgear when pumping gas?” Unless designated a “No Hat” area, headgear must be worn while pumping gas. Headgear use is determined by four factors: being indoors; outdoors; under arms; or in a designated "no hat" area. Awnings, eaves, umbrellas and trees do not matter because “cover” is not a determining factor. For Airmen, per AFI 36-2903 1.2.13, “Authorized headgear will be worn while outdoors unless in an area designated as a “no hat” area by the installation commander or equivalent. Headgear will also be worn indoors by armed Security Forces personnel or others bearing arms while performing duties.” Personally, if I ran the installation, I’d post a sign and make covered gas stations “headgear optional” areas out of respect to SFC Joseph Weber who answered the question with a definite, “You should not. The fumes can collect under the bill of your cap and possibly blow your eyebrows off.” Brilliant response!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2017 8:51 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:51:31 -0500

I always did. As soon as I climbed out of my vehicle, I'd put my headgear on. That being said, I don't think I ever corrected a soldier who was pumping gas without theirs on.

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Mar 1 at 2017 12:51 AM

Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 00:51:56 -0500

LOL! Makes one wonder if "passing gas" while in uniform is okay with or without headgear :)

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Mar 7 at 2017 8:46 AM

PO3 John Wagner — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:46:11 -0500

I pump 4 to 5 million gallons a year. They make me wear a helmet.....Why should you be special?
Besides...it occasionally keeps pigeon poop out of your hair

Response by SSgt Christopher Clinton made Jan 15 at 2019 2:28 PM

SSgt Christopher Clinton — Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:28:21 -0500

I was instructed it is like in the car... either on or off.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2019 10:11 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:11:04 -0500

No where below does it state that pumping gas under an island awning is considered indoors. I still respectfully correct Officers, NCOs, and Soldiers to this day when not wearing their patrol cap outside (unless in a no hat/no salute area). I realize there are some Commanders or organizations who have policies that defer from the standard such as ARC where in the past you were not required to wear your cover traveling from the G-jet to the FS front door. However, COVER gives one protection from rounds, fragments of exploding rounds, flame, nuclear, biological, and chemical agents. Cover can also conceal you from your enemy's ability to see you. Cover can be natural or man-made. Natural cover includes such things as logs, trees, stumps, ravines, and hollows(if any of you have dug a fox hole you are familiar with this). Manmade cover includes such things as fighting positions, trenches, walls, rubble, and craters. Cover does not include the gas pump awning. I have always enforced the three walls and a ceiling requirement from the time I became an NCO.

AR 670-1, 25 MAY 17, Soldiers will wear headgear with the Army uniform, except under the following circumstances: (1) Headgear is not required if it would interfere with the safe operation of military vehicles. Wearing military headgear is not required while in or on a privately owned vehicle (to include a motorcycle, bicycle, or convertible automobile), a commercial vehicle, or on public conveyance (such as a subway, train, plane, or bus). (2) Soldiers will not wear headgear indoors, unless under arms in an official capacity, or when directed by the commander, such as for indoor ceremonial activities. (3) Male and female Soldiers are not required to wear headgear to evening social events (after retreat) when wearing the Army service and dress uniforms or the mess and evening mess uniforms. (4) Soldiers will carry their headgear, when it is not worn, in their hands while wearing service, dress, mess, and evening mess uniforms. Soldiers are authorized storage of the headgear, when it is not worn, in the Class C uniform cargo pockets, if applicable. Soldiers must fold the headgear neatly so as not to present a bulky appearance. They may also elect to store it at the small of the back, with the bill tucked in the belt, provided there is no bulky appearance and the headgear remains hidden from view. Soldiers will not attach headgear to the uniform or hang it from the belt.

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made May 22 at 2020 10:10 AM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Fri, 22 May 2020 10:10:27 -0400

Navy regs say when you not in a building you are required to wear a cover. Army (US Army) does also as well as the other services. Elementary yes?

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made May 22 at 2020 11:41 AM

SSG Douglas Espinosa — Fri, 22 May 2020 11:41:25 -0400

If that keeps you up at night you have some other issues...if you see something wrong, make a on the spot correction and move on. There are more serious issues...

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made May 22 at 2020 2:28 PM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Fri, 22 May 2020 14:28:01 -0400

The Air Force Dress Manual says you wear your hat anytime you are outside, or at least it use to say that. I use to get on my commander all the time about leaving his hat on the dashboard of his car when he entered our bldg. He would always walk around the bldg with his jacket open and his hands in his pocket. I would walk up behind him and pull his hands out of his pocket, take his hat into into his office and ask him to zip up his jacket. I would tell him how could I address these issues with the troops s if he violated the manual. He would just laugh and do it. As his lst Sgt, we had a great relationship.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made May 23 at 2020 8:20 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Sat, 23 May 2020 08:20:45 -0400

I wore mine just like Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jul 2 at 2020 8:37 AM

SPC Albert Schafer — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:37:59 -0400

You're kidding....... right? Sleepless in Seattle

Response by SPC Merle Jantz made Jul 8 at 2020 9:55 AM

SPC Merle Jantz — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:55:00 -0400

One of my favorites from Duffel Blog https://www.duffelblog.com/2019/08/grown-man-yells-at-other-grown-man-for-not-wearing-a-hat-outside/

Grown man yells at other grown man for not wearing a hat outside

TWENTYNINE PALMS, Calif. — Multiple eyewitnesses have reported that Sgt. Maj. Shawn DeWitt, a divorced 37 year-old with two children, grew visibly upset at the sight of another adult male without a hat on earlier this morning. The Marine on the receiving end of the sergeant major’s wrath was Cpl. Daniel Vincent. Vincent, whose job is to kill people, had stepped outside of his company office to take a phone call from his pregnant wife. Because...