Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 8:31 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 08:31:50 -0500

Well I can say, when I was in Afghanistan I had a 1LT, good guy did his job, but one day walking back from the DFAC, an CSM stopped him and asked him where is eye protection was, his answer to the CSM was I don't wear it. He kept right on walking, but unfortunately for LT the CSM was accompanied by a LTC, who them came up and asked the LT to "unf**K" himself and apologize to his CSM for not listening when he was making an on the spot adjustment. I am sure there has to be an officer of higher rank that would love to correct that 2LT.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Feb 17 at 2017 8:36 AM

SGT Scott Henderson — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 08:36:06 -0500

Go find someone who outranks him and that actually gives a shit about regs. Then stand back and watch.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Feb 17 at 2017 9:11 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:11:57 -0500

I like what 1stSgt Glenn Brackin had to offer but the a-hole side of me still want to say "Okay, sir." and let him continue on his way because I have no doubt that he'll run into someone like a 1SG, CPT, or higher and then get his butt handed to him/her. Maybe that will be the lesson he/she needs to realize that input comes in all forms and sometimes it's better to listen than to speak.

Response by SFC Don Vance made Feb 17 at 2017 9:13 AM

SFC Don Vance — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:13:42 -0500

I would take them aside and point out that Orders and regulations apply to everyone equally. If that didn't work I'd find another officer to make the correction.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 17 at 2017 9:21 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:21:24 -0500

I would ask them to step aside and speak to me. Once off to the side, I would explain to them, that as an Officer in the US (enter Service) that the enlisted soldiers look to them as a person of authority. That, as an officer they lead the way. Also would mention that how the REGS do apply to them. They are the people that write and institute the regulations, as an officer. As an NCO , along with officers, that we enforce the regs. Although, they might be an officer, and out rank me, that they are also charged with following the regs like everyone else. We are the standard.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 9:28 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:28:16 -0500

In this situation, I would let him know the regulation becauase maybe he's unfamiliar this it, as well as let him know that the regulation apply stock all service members including officers. I would also note his rank, and unit and let him know tactfully that the conduct is unprofessional and sets a bad example. If he were to continue to let me know his rank is above the standard I would note that as well and find a way to contact his chain of command through mine. It's sad there are leaders out there that act like this but the right approach can change that. If we approach tactfully and professionally and still get an unprofessional answer then we can attempt to change those reactions by being proactive.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Feb 17 at 2017 9:30 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:30:51 -0500

Sir, if we're taking your example, you could pull him aside and remind him--backed up by your rank--that he is in the wrong. I on the other hand can respectfully (keyword folks!) point out the correction to be made, and either the officer will do the right thing or they will not. Either way, as enlisted, I have done not only what I should do, but what I can do.

I never had any reservations about making uniform/appearance corrections, even to our battalion commander! Back then it was actually a kind of game to see who could correct the highest enlisted and officer rank. Sure our motivations may have been a little questionable, but we were not "wrong" for doing it; and it caused us to tighten up our own appearance, because the last thing a guy wants to do us correct someone who outranks them only to have that person turn the tables and point out that THEY are wrong!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 17 at 2017 9:31 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:31:13 -0500

I assume he's in uniform. You don't talk to him in the first place. Go back to work and report the observation to the Sargeant Major/First Sargeant.

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Feb 17 at 2017 9:32 AM

SCPO Jason McLaughlin — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:32:02 -0500

First, I would forcefully explain to the 2LT that by doing what he/she was doing, he/she was making it impossible for him/her to be an effective leader. Second, I would emphasize to the 2LT how difficult it would be for him/her to succeed in the unit without the support of the SNCO's and NCO's, and that ignoring their sound counsel and mentorship was the fastest way of losing said support. And finally, if he/she did not immediately remove the headphones, I would ensure that the COC was duly informed that the 2LT was of the opinion that the rules didn't apply to him/her.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 9:32 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:32:13 -0500

I would gladly remind that young LT that while as an E7 I cannot technically tell him what to do but if he continues to ignore his senior NCOs when the s**t hits the fan and he finally turns to us for guidance we won't be there to hold his hand. So stop being a spoiled brat and learn your true place in this military, sit back and observe and learn from your senior leaders so that one day you can possibly become a decent leader.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Feb 17 at 2017 9:41 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:41:20 -0500

Only had an issue with one young 2nd Lt. we had a little heart to heart talk, he saw things in a different light afterwards.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 9:46 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:46:31 -0500

Chances are, in the commissary, there will be someone of higher rank than him. As soon as I spot that person, I would let them know what transpired and then point the way. Then I would probably get some popcorn and watch the show from the side.

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Feb 17 at 2017 9:49 AM

GySgt Melissa Gravila — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:49:47 -0500

3 words...leadership by example. Enlisted or Officer, I will not hesitate to jump both feet knee-deep back into the trailer park over something like that. I have to respect the chevron, bar, bird, or star-not the person- that respect is earned. If you want to be respected as a leader, act like one.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Feb 17 at 2017 9:52 AM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:52:28 -0500

I saw a Lt. show disrespect to an old Vietnam GySgt. Big mistake. I was looking for a place to hide. Then, I heard the GySgt voice. "Cpl Morris?" Yes GySgt. "Go get that 2.5 ton and meet me at the back of the chow hall." I GySgt!

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Feb 17 at 2017 11:03 AM

SFC Jim Ruether — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:03:40 -0500

I would politely tell him again that he is out of uniform and needs to remove the headphones. I would also remind him that we all have a responsibility to correct each other in hopes the best image is presented when we are in uniform.

Response by 1SG Mike Case made Feb 17 at 2017 11:35 AM

1SG Mike Case — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:35:00 -0500

If I approached this 2LT and he was unprofessional, I would continue to follow him and remain professional, but would in a very loud voice, continue to remind him of his uniform discrepancy. Eventually someone who outranks both of us would find us and step in. I would then explain the situation and if I received a reprimand for my actions, so be it, but GMA gives us all the right to make those on-the-spot corrections. Before I sewed my name tapes on, I walked into the shoppette and I heard a very timid voice say "1SG" like three or four times and I finally turned around and saw a young female PV2 standing there and she proceeded to inform me that I had two U.S. Army name tapes on. Talked about embarrassed but I thanked her for squaring me away and I walked out of the shoppette and got my name tapes sewn on that day.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 12:04 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:04:22 -0500

I would let him go and set himself up for failure.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Feb 17 at 2017 12:19 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:19:14 -0500

If we are both in uniform and he really thinks I don't know better than the rules don't apply because he is a boot ass butter bar, he's either a dumbass or a jackass.
If he's a just an entitled jackass he will eventually pull that dumb shit with the wrong person and things will work themselves out.
If he is simply a dumbass who really believes the rules do not apply because he is a commissioned officer, he will likely end up hanging his own ass out to dry by walking off a dock or into a live fire range.
Or maybe I drop his name in conversation with one of the many outstanding officers who know and obey the rules as they should. One of them is likely to encounter that youngster eventually and make the correction.

Response by MSgt C Madd made Feb 17 at 2017 12:28 PM

MSgt C Madd — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:28:51 -0500

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member If available, find an AF First Sergeant or AF SMSgt. It's been my experience they make it a full time job making these type of on the spot corrections. They don't care who it is, seem to enjoy it.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Feb 17 at 2017 12:51 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:51:01 -0500

The same way as with a 1LT or that rare CPT that still has not learned...of course if they have not learned by then there is no helping them but they normally are gone by that time too?

Of course this question reminds me of a time at Air Assault school where I was interacting with a brand new 2LT, JUST commissioned from ROTC. As was the practice at this school, NCOs were in charge of the squads and sections...not sure why as I was never a black hat? As one of the few remaining students, let alone NCOs, by Rappel Phase I found myself as the leader...survivor...of our section and there were three of us who were first time 'Go' and resting in roped off area waiting for the rest of our class. This young 2LT was telling me that even if I was nominally placed in charge, he really did not have to listen to me as he was a commissioned officer and that I would have to follow ANY ORDER he gave me because of the trust and professionalism entrusted upon him by the President of the United States of America? So I pointed out to the young LT that while what he said was true, today, we were both students in this school, the way the school was organized I was in charge of our group, and this was under the direction of an officer superior to us both. I also informed him that he if he didn't listen to his NCOs we would ruin his career before he even got started, and since I already knew he was not going to listen to me, I told him he needed to listen to the 1LT who was easy dropping on the whole conversation? At which point the 1LT laughed, and said, "Lieutenant, you had better fu@$ing listen to him, he is trying to help you and your making a total a$$ of your self," and then pretended to ignore us both again.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 12:57 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:57:33 -0500

Handle per the words of former SgtMaj USMC Leland B "Crow" Crawford, with firmness, fairness, and dignity. Be professional but get the job done. It's just another of the many "situations" that folks in uniform have to navigate daily. If you're junior then your responsibility to regs stops at making him aware of it and tactfully suggesting that he square himself away for the good of the service. It's a judgement call from there, but it doesn't give you a blank check to violate the UCMJ so it's tricky. If senior then it's basically a one-way conversation without debate, and should be a learning process for the 2Lt.

Response by PO1 Willie Deadwyler made Feb 17 at 2017 2:18 PM

PO1 Willie Deadwyler — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:18:30 -0500

Ask for his name and report him to your COC

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Feb 17 at 2017 2:24 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:24:03 -0500

Ha ,A young 2LT with a head set on in the commissary,most probably tied to a GPS unit needed to get young 2LT oriented down the maze of aisles found in such places,they do seem to get lost a lot,or was that just in my time?

Response by SSG Fernando Caballero made Feb 17 at 2017 2:43 PM

SSG Fernando Caballero — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:43:54 -0500

Well after they dismiss me I would then identify myself and pull them off to the side and then put my foot in their ass because as a NCO I enforce the standards at all times and it doesn't matter what rank the person is cause anyone can be corrected!!!!!

Response by Maj John Bell made Feb 17 at 2017 3:38 PM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:38:11 -0500

The SNCO jungle drum network operated at the speed of light in my day. An officer with this attitude quickly found a field grade officer giving him/her the evil eye and ordered to seek out the enlisted man and offer a heartfelt apology for being such an ass. Then officer EMI began. Although I will say that a LT who displayed this kind of attitude had a very limited shelf life. If he/she didn't get "it" in training they probably never would get "it".

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 3:47 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:47:06 -0500

Find the nearest senior to that LT. This actually happened to me once where a 2LT at Ft Gordon was lifting in the gym in PT uniform with his shirt untucked. The MSG who advised the correction was promptly told something along the lines of "Go fly a kite, sergeant." I stepped in and corrected the deficiency and then asked for the name of his company commander. The 2LT actually turned out to be a student at Signal BOLC. Not a good day for him.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 4:50 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:50:52 -0500

You should only write checks that your ass can cash. As a 1SG I can cash a pretty big check. I would make sure he corrected himself before I left.

Response by PO1 Bill O made Feb 17 at 2017 5:34 PM

PO1 Bill O — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:34:49 -0500

This is our new military, are you freaking serious?

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Feb 17 at 2017 6:44 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:44:42 -0500

I would intently stare at the LT with eyes of fire. I could tell him I appreciate him for setting the example of an officer that's destined for a reprimand.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Feb 17 at 2017 6:53 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:53:15 -0500

"Well, sergeant, first of all I have a bachelor's degree and..." "Well, Sir I have a Master's degree". I hard that one before.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Feb 17 at 2017 7:02 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:02:32 -0500

I never reacted well, more than one was dismissed from service.
Most LT's were great but there are always a few that slip thru.

Response by PO3 Art Escalante made Feb 17 at 2017 7:59 PM

PO3 Art Escalante — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:59:08 -0500

Kindly remind 2LT of military courtesy. ..

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 10:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:06:59 -0500

Same way I'd deal with anyone, delete everything they ever had done from MEDPROS!!!! I kid! I would remain professional find out who their commander was and inform them of what happened.

As it was previously stated general military authority gives the right to make corrections to anyone. Professionals will accept it, fix the issue and drive on. I have noticed a 1SG who had some craziness happen, they thanked me for letting him know and took care of it.

Response by SMSgt Terry Rider made Feb 17 at 2017 10:32 PM

SMSgt Terry Rider — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:32:42 -0500

Old school doesn't count anymore. I see crap every day here at Sheppard AFB that I would have stopped 33-years ago.

Response by CPT Nicholas D. made Feb 17 at 2017 11:59 PM

CPT Nicholas D. — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:59:57 -0500

If you are junior in paygrade, you make a respectful correction. If he (or she) blows you off, you can pass it up your chain to whoever cares. If you are senior, you can make a more demanding address, but should still be courteous and not made with a scene. (Praise in public, punish in private) I have never understood however, why some believe that things like uniform infractions are fair game to dump all other Army regulations. There is always THAT GUY who is springloaded to jump into people's faces. Courtesy costs nothing.

Story time...

Taji Iraq, a few years ago, I was in the gym with a few fellow Warrant Officers. While using the bench, a soldier approached us, identified himself as a SFC, and asked if we were NCOs. We replied that we are Warrant Officers. He then asks "how can we let him... (pointing to a comrade) get away with that?" We were confused. I asked whether my fellow pilot was demonstrating poor form with his dumbell flys, and the NCO started getting heated over the black socks my CW3 companion was wearing. He wasn't polite or courteous about it. We acknowledged the uniform infraction, thanked the NCO for his attention to detail, and that we'd be making sure he didn't come to the gym again with black socks for the next two weeks (until then SMA Dailey finalizes the official uniform change.) Dropping all custom, courtesy, and respect... the NCO demanded my friend leave the gym immediately and "fix his sh*t." To avoid a scene, my teammate exited stage right and the NCO walked away with a big cocky grin on his face. Was my friend wrong? Yes. Did the "on the spot correction" need to get hostile... in a gym... in a combat zone? I say No. Was the NCO out of line with his "display?" Oh yeah!!!

So, I stewed on it for 10 minutes grinding my teeth through our last set until I decided it was time to make an "on the spot correction" to the "on the spot correction." I meandered back to where NCO Socks was finishing his gluteal stretch and asked him if he knew what AR 600-25 was. He gave me the blank stare and blinked. In a polite and informative tone, I explained to the Senior NCO that AR 600-25 is the regulation where we derive a lot of our customs and courtesies. When we had identified ourselves as Warrant Officers (and senior Warrants at that), his tone got inappropriate. Just as "out of order" as my friend's socks were that day, so was the way he addressed our group. I asked him to in the future when administering on the spot corrections, to please "fix his sh*t."

This begs a question. What poses greater damage to good military order and discipline? Deployed Black Hawk pilots with incorrect sock color in the gym or Senior NCOs that can't speak to Senior Officers in a respectful tone?

Everyone hates 2LTs. 2LTs hate 2LTs. But if we believe in good military order and discipline, we don't sacrifice our respect for each other to be uniform martyrs. If a 2LT is wearing headphones in the commissary, you are well within your right to inform the officer of his inappropriate headgear indoors. If he is disrespectful and indignant, then in my humble opinion, his attitude is a bigger infraction than the headset. That's definitely worth addressing. But I have never been impressed by stories of NCOs giving some idiot officer a piece of their mind while tossing courtesy in the garbage can. That's not being a good NCO.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Feb 18 at 2017 10:13 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:13:52 -0500

One of my current civilian managers is a relatively newly commissioned 2LT in the ARNG. Engineer or Artillery, forget which. He is very mature for his age and so far he has done well in his civilian job of management. Very proactive, able to tolerate repeated LT jokes without breaking into a rant, multi-tasks better than I could. He was a former NCO so I think that helps. Only ran into one bad Officer in my life while in uniform and it was a group opinion he sucked....had to write a statement on him and watch him get booted out of the service. That was an ackward moment for me.

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Feb 18 at 2017 10:42 AM

PO3 John Wagner — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:42:21 -0500

Just figure he's a jagoff... don't worry he won't get too far up the chain of,command.

Response by 1LT John Avila made Feb 18 at 2017 4:32 PM

1LT John Avila — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:32:21 -0500

I would ask him what unit he is with, first. Follow-up questions is I would like to know who his Commanding Officer is; I am a First Lieutenant, so I would identify myself, so that regardless of which direction this conversation goes, if it should get worse, he cannot then in the presence of higher cry foul and not know he was wrong from the get go in many ways.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2017 4:33 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:33:56 -0500

I've had this issue before. The way I handled it was I pulled him aside and explained to him how he was acting and how that kind of leadership will not gain the respect of his Soldiers. The second time I had to pull him aside I did it with his rater and gave him a stern one sided lecture with the UCMJ manual so he got the point. The second encounter fixed the problem.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2017 7:32 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 19:32:13 -0500

I have been in that situation before. You address them by their rank only never calling them "Sir". State that they are wrong and they need to fix themselves. As a Master-at-Arms or military police you have the responsibility and the authority to do so.

Response by Tom Foote made Feb 20 at 2017 2:20 PM

Tom Foote — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:20:54 -0500

A healthy reminder about the things they believe they are untitled too are the very things the men in woman before them fought for them to enjoy today! So disrespect your privilege then your disrespecting the fallen before you

Response by SFC Dennis Bryon made Feb 20 at 2017 3:21 PM

SFC Dennis Bryon — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:21:02 -0500

As an old senior NCO I can say that I love these kinds of Lt's :-)

Response by Jerry Rivas made Feb 20 at 2017 9:10 PM

Jerry Rivas — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:10:15 -0500

I was a young PFC in Armor AIT when a female 2ndLT walked by. I saluted, and she ignored me. She found out real fast what the son of a Puerto-Rican 1stSgt thought of stuck up 2ndLts. She turned and returned my salute.

Response by CPT Wiliam Miller made Feb 23 at 2017 1:27 AM

CPT Wiliam Miller — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 01:27:06 -0500

I'd tell my 1st sgt, he has a repor with the CO and the CO could talk to the Lt

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Mar 4 at 2017 11:41 PM

PO1 Kerry French — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 23:41:27 -0500

find out his CO and have someone complain to the CO about this rude little sh!t

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Mar 7 at 2017 8:18 AM

FN Charlie Spivey — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:18:26 -0500

When we were deployed to Vietnam, we had a newly minted Ensign come aboard. Nothing out of the ordinary with that as we took on a few new personnel while there. Anyway, we were on our way home and got to the International Dateline. These guys had flown over, so had not been initiated, so we commeced to do the Initiation. The Ensign raised hell about it and acted like it was beneath him, although other officers were initiated when we were going over. It got so bad that the Captain ( who did NOT go to the Acadamy, but instead was a Mustang ) secured the thing. When we got home, it was long before the Ensign was gone. My guess is that he did not get a good assignment.

Response by CPT Jenn Dory made Mar 7 at 2017 3:07 PM

CPT Jenn Dory — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:07:55 -0500

Sadly, not all 2LTs are that sharp. However, at some point his troops are going to do "exactly" what he tells them to do, which will probably not turn out the way he wanted. Karma will nip him in the pants, so as an enlisted soldier, learn from his poor example, and know that he's going to need the support of the people he thinks he's above to succeed. Hopefully he'll change his ways. OR -- if he's "your" LT, have a talk with the 1SG. They have shaped many a wayward LT in the past, and will do so many times to come.

Response by PO3 David Adams made Mar 7 at 2017 3:40 PM

PO3 David Adams — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:40:33 -0500

I've had Numerous times as an E-4 show Officers & Senior Enlisted that there are Times when Even I Can Be God cause I was Taught I Will Walk My Post From Flank to Flank Take No $H!T from Any Rank! - & I also Know When To Do As I'm Told!

Response by SP5 Matthew Moppins made Mar 7 at 2017 3:47 PM

SP5 Matthew Moppins — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:47:40 -0500

Maintain my military bearing and carry on knowing that I did the right thing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 6:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 18:06:01 -0500

"Article 670-1 applies to everyone sir. Please remove the headphones."

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 8 at 2017 12:27 AM

COL Charles Williams — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 00:27:55 -0500

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member In the world on the spot the corrections, junior officers can be the worst at walking the walk. Some don't get it... whether it is what referenced, or say pumping gas in uniform with no headgear... And, when confronted, they try to avoid being called out... or bow up...

Nevertheless, you make a professional correction. If they blow you off, assuming you are subordinate in rank, you record their name and unit (or ask to see their ID card...) and report them - along with what you tried to do, and what was said - to your/their chain of command at the point at which the patch originates - brigade, division etc... I am sure, leaders at the brigade and higher level would love to deal with the LT or CPT who doesn't walk the walk. I most certainly would and did.

Response by CSM Eric Biggs made Mar 9 at 2017 7:17 AM

CSM Eric Biggs — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 07:17:09 -0500

I would ask him what unit he was in and call the 1SG. Standby and wait for his 1SG and CO to show up and enjoy the show

Response by LTC Jesse Edwards made Mar 14 at 2017 1:41 PM

LTC Jesse Edwards — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:41:41 -0400

Make note of his name, time/date, location, etc. Generally one can find an officer's unit of assignment. From there, I'd call someone of my equivalent rank and let him know what happened while providing a written statement. with contact information.

Response by PO2 Dan Shulla made Mar 14 at 2017 1:58 PM

PO2 Dan Shulla — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:58:48 -0400

Ask him who his CO is and pass the info up the chain

Response by AB Blake Bowers made Mar 20 at 2017 5:49 PM

AB Blake Bowers — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:49:17 -0400

I would brace him and make an example of him. Yes, praise in public, but sometimes an attitude needs a public adjustment. Good for the enlisted troops to see once in a while

Response by LCpl Johnny Carroll made Mar 21 at 2017 8:43 PM

LCpl Johnny Carroll — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:43:53 -0400

refer him to his c o

Response by SGT Kebora Cross Turner made Mar 27 at 2017 12:18 PM

SGT Kebora Cross Turner — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:18:50 -0400

UCMJ Action!

Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made Mar 28 at 2017 12:33 AM

SSG Nick Tramontano — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:33:18 -0400

Response by Cpl Zach Wellborn made Mar 28 at 2017 2:16 AM

Cpl Zach Wellborn — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 02:16:06 -0400

Well if you're in the commissary, there's gonna be a motard close by. Look for all the black on the color (Marines) take a step back and watch how beautiful it is

Response by 1LT Craig Bennington made Apr 2 at 2017 9:26 PM

1LT Craig Bennington — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 21:26:29 -0400

I was an O2 in the Army National Guard. I was taught to respect the enlisted leadership and to take care of my men. Had I accidentally missed this salute I would have apologized-but I made sure I never did.

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Apr 6 at 2017 3:43 PM

SGT Randall Smith — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:43:18 -0400

Had a new 2LT lock my heels and read me the riot act once. Uniform was not neat and very clean, boots had not been shined in weeks, (polish put on but not shined) and I and the two Pvt's with me did not salute him when he came out of Bn HQ. Tried to tell him that we had just come in with a convoy, We seldom shined boots or buckles and we never saluted. Before I could explain why to him he ripped me up. All my deficiencies as an NCO plus I was driving a jeep with Snoopy in a champagne glass on the hood of my jeep. About then Capt. Mac came out of HQ, told us to grab our weapons and saddle up. The Lt then told Capt. Mac he wanted to report us for disrespect . When he told the Capt. what happen I had to keep my mouth shut and just grin. He learned what a ass chewing really was. In Soc Trang there were snipers and saluting an officer could get him shot. If you did it was an article 15 offense. He liked Snoopy on His jeep. And the red dust on our uniforms was part of the country. In monsoon season it would have been mud. He was assigned to our company and arrived a week later. He never corrected another NCO again. Our Top explained to him that we were going to make his life a lot easier or ruin it. Plus Capt. Mac had been a E7 once. He turned out to be a pretty good Lt. He knew his stuff but he was just young and self important when he got to Nam.

Response by Gabriel Volentine made Apr 9 at 2017 3:02 PM

Gabriel Volentine — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 15:02:26 -0400

I would tell them if they don't do as you ask (within reason) they will deal with my higher ranking officer

Response by SGT Mike Robinson made Apr 9 at 2017 8:11 PM

SGT Mike Robinson — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 20:11:24 -0400

Personally had an occasion to quietly advise a 1st lieutenant that his hair was not regulation and should find time to visit the barber. He did not take that well and began to berate me. I respectfully reminded him that he as was I representatives of our unit and if he felt that I was out of line that I would gladly apologize in front of the commander of our battalion

Response by CPL Jefferson Woody made Apr 10 at 2017 6:56 AM

CPL Jefferson Woody — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 06:56:35 -0400

On the spot correction

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Apr 10 at 2017 1:07 PM

CPT Robert Boshears — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:07:05 -0400

Headsets are a problem. Personally, I have people walk in front of my car daily and they are too interested in following a phone. I actually saw Major walk by a Light Colonel, and neither realized nor were salutes rendered... they were too busy following their phones.

Response by SPC John Davis made Apr 22 at 2017 11:57 PM

SPC John Davis — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 23:57:39 -0400

We had one like that in the field in Nam, he thought he was better than anyone wouldn't listen to us older grunts. A Charlie sniper took care of him. He wore his shiny butter bar on his helmet.

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 23 at 2017 12:46 AM

SFC George Smith — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 00:46:58 -0400

walk Up and casually pull him to the side and remind Him of His Military Bearing was becoming a Point of Question...

Response by SGT Michael Thorin made Apr 23 at 2017 1:41 AM

SGT Michael Thorin — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 01:41:11 -0400

I was always the kind of soldier and NCO that knew of ways to throw an insult out that was veiled in a "I think I was just insulted, but I'm not sure."

First, before you make contact, if you have a phone with a camera on it, take an inconspicuous snapshot. You don't want the butter bar (yes, I call any 2LT who is this casual about rules and regs by butter bar) to know you took the shot.

Then, make contact, and if all goes well, save the photo just in case he tries to tell his chain that you were rude to him (it can happen).

If he or she replies in the manner that this 2LT did, then stand there and take it, and when there's a break, with an exorbitant amount of respect and courtesy, pull the photo out and show it to him and let him/her know that you had never heard that the rules and regs didnt apply to officers. Tell them that you were going back to ask your platoon sergeant this they could learn this valuable lesson before they messed up and commuted the same mistake.

Let him know that it is a huge misconception among the enlisted soldiers that this exclusion existed, so your platoon sergeant would demand that you take it to your first sergeant, as well as to your sergeant major because they needed to know as well, because they had taught you for years that officers were supposed to act as a soldier, just as every soldier that wore that uniform.

Then ask him/her if he/she would like to go ahead and let you interview him/her on your phone and tell why they did not to follow direction, because you feel a recording would certainly help in "straightening" out your first sergeant and sergeant major.

Say all of this with a very respectfuland courteaous, and with sincerity. Sell the "I'm not a smart soldier, so I really believe my platoon sergeant needs to know this".

There are so many ways you can accomplish this.

Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Apr 24 at 2017 11:21 PM

MSgt Mark Bucher — Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:21:00 -0400

Call his boss the next day at work and relay the discussion. I had this happen when a Captain was browbeating one of my young troops at Mt. Home. He actually brought her to tears when I stepped in a asked the young gentleman into my office. Then I told him he either goes back out and apologizes and behaves himself, or I hop in my car and go see the OG CC and lay it all out for him to handle. The Captain apologized. Nuff said

Response by MAJ Mark Wilson made Apr 25 at 2017 8:10 AM

MAJ Mark Wilson — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:10:16 -0400

Anyone remember the CSM's Courtesy Patrol? They traveled in pairs with clipboards at the PX and other establishments. They certainly took notes and your CoC heard about anything you were doing wrong. I would much rather be hemmed up and corrected by a PVT to CSM than the Courtesy Patrol. That being said, the young 2LTs reaction needs a major course correction. Not sure what training institute sent him to his current duty, but they and his ROTC or Service Academy and ALL of the NCOs at said institutions failed him or her and the Army.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 8:52 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:52:28 -0400

In my experience in having to deal with un professional CO (not just butter bars), usually the attitude and unprofessionalism can be carried down from the upper chain of command.
No disrespect to higher ranking COs in this thread, but a lot of them "toy" with butter bars just as much as NCOs mess with new incoming PVT, PVC so on and so fourth.
Every soldier has someone above him/her who they have to follow orders from. Some times their privileged attitude is purposely incouraged to test their readiness to be a leader of the unit and not there to make friends.

But, there are a few of those hot head that come in swinging old Lucy on a stick who think their shit don't stink!... lol... that's just my thoughts on it. Thanks for sharing MAJ Private RallyPoint Member

Response by CMSgt Robert (Bob) Kelchner made Apr 25 at 2017 1:10 PM

CMSgt Robert (Bob) Kelchner — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:10:08 -0400

As a senior NCO I would be polite and respectful. E.g. Excuse me Lt xx. What organization are from and who is your supervisor. If I do get this information I would inform that would contact his commander. And--I would.

Response by SrA Sheri Wooldridge made Apr 25 at 2017 3:31 PM

SrA Sheri Wooldridge — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:31:29 -0400

I'm retired. So I tell him to kiss my...!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 1 at 2017 9:43 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Mon, 01 May 2017 09:43:35 -0400

Don't be his friend, he will follow you home. This is why there is a Chain of Command, address this UP your Chain of Command and wash your hands of it

Response by PO3 John Wagner made May 1 at 2017 3:17 PM

PO3 John Wagner — Mon, 01 May 2017 15:17:32 -0400

Shit in his boots

Response by SGT Byron Labadie made May 2 at 2017 9:25 AM

SGT Byron Labadie — Tue, 02 May 2017 09:25:10 -0400

I would roll him out like wholesale carpet. ( I am 60 years old now, and short on nom-sense). In reality, I would probably go on about my business and let a flag officer notice him. It will be at that point that he will learn. I was a enlisted member, I doubt I could help the man get his synapses to fire correctly.

Response by LTJG Frederick Birchmore made May 3 at 2017 11:57 AM

LTJG Frederick Birchmore — Wed, 03 May 2017 11:57:16 -0400

Let's say you're an EM and see a Captain waving a rifle uprange. Proper action is to rip it away from him, say, "Sorry, stupid, I mean Sir, that's a range safety no-no." Ok. Now, you're an EM and you see a FNL wearing a clown hat in the commissary. You can either (1) knock it off his head, (2) chew him out for disgracing the uniform or (3) let him wear it for all the world to see what a clown he is. I would do (1) if he was wearing it on a public store or bus etc. I might do (2) if I could do it in private. I'd probably do (3) though. Unless you are the only possible consequence for his idiocy or arrogance, his activities will speak for themselves, to everyone around him, including his superior officers, who will be sure to inflict consequences upon his ego and his brief career. OK, I would probably also say "Bad look for you, Sir," and find a subtle way to accidentally trip him into the pie display. Clowns and pies do go well together.

Response by COL John F. S. made May 4 at 2017 5:46 PM

COL John F. S. — Thu, 04 May 2017 17:46:00 -0400

If in uniform, it's not part of the uniform. Advise them that rules/regulations apply to all Soldiers regardless of rank. Show him your ID card rank and request again telling him protocol applies both on POST and off POST. If they disrespect you again, you advise him that he is not only disrespecting the US Army uniform, but also a superior officer. Request his ID card and get his personal information. Contact his chain of command for further discussions of administrative application of UCMJ for two infractions, the uniform, then addressing a superior officer. Both show a lack of officer material and professionalism. This is also true if an enlisted person who can call him out on the same issue. Get his name, snap a cell photo, process it up the chain of command.

Response by PV2 Kenny Klein made May 6 at 2017 8:10 PM

PV2 Kenny Klein — Sat, 06 May 2017 20:10:25 -0400

Dismiss it, let his ass become grass by someone higher up then him.

Response by MAJ James Rediske made May 11 at 2017 1:38 PM

MAJ James Rediske — Thu, 11 May 2017 13:38:13 -0400

I would look for the ring

Response by Capt Al Parker made May 11 at 2017 2:25 PM

Capt Al Parker — Thu, 11 May 2017 14:25:31 -0400

File his name away for future reference. There are AxxHoles in every rank.. Of course there is always the IG you can report his butt to, but if you don't have witnesses they will brush it off.

Response by SSG Steve Finlan made May 14 at 2017 1:02 PM

SSG Steve Finlan — Sun, 14 May 2017 13:02:24 -0400

There is an urban legend in the military of just such a 2LT. I heard it as occurring at 25 Light in Hawaii. The story goes thus: a brand-new 2LT was approached by the Division CSM, who started talking to him. The 2LT says "Sergeant Major, I'm an OFFICER. Don't you think you should be standing at attention when you address me?", so the CSM promptly goes to the position of attention, says what he came to say, salutes the 2LT, and goes on his way.

Later that afternoon, the 2LT is called before the company XO, a 1LT.
"Don't you EVER F*@$K WITH A CSM, EVER AGAIN! DISMISSED!"
Shortly thereafter, he is called before the Company commander, a CPT.
"Don't you EVER F@#K WITH A CSM, EVER AGAIN? DO YOU UNDERSTAND, BUTTER BAR? DISMISSED!"
Then he is called before the BN XO, a Major. Then the BN CO, a LTC. Then the BDE XO. Then the BDE commander, a full COL. Then he is called before the Division XO, and finally before the Division Commander himself. The message is always the same: "THOU SHALT KNOW THE ORDER OF THINGS".

Now, I've never heard this story actually confirmed. I have always accepted it as more of a teaching parable for young/new officers (JAG & Medical, you know who you are...) and enlisted.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2017 11:21 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 May 2017 23:21:31 -0400

He/she Needs some senior NCO guidance and perhaps a talk from the BN commander first. 2LT needs to understand that their job is to LEARN. -not make decisions. They can be part of a collaborative decision making process with their NCO and then deal with the negative repercussions. Any officer who's worth a shit will understand this

Response by MSG James Hughs made May 15 at 2017 7:26 AM

MSG James Hughs — Mon, 15 May 2017 07:26:37 -0400

FIRST.....You can be sure this "pseudo-God complex" is reflected everywhere.... his military career will not be a long one. SECOND Personally I would not bother taking any further action but if you want to take additional action ....that action would depend on your rank.... as a subordinate there is not much you can do except report him to his command ( name rank and patch should suffice in locating his unit).... a cell phone photo would be valuable.... as a superior officer you have a couple of additional options.... private or public counseling..... public counseling carries the danger of escalating.... obviously his training did not teach him he is supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE.....not be the EXCEPTION.....his stupidity may lead him into a greater error..... making a small infraction into a major problem..... my private counsel would be in a low controlled voice .....starting with requiring his information which I write down....second I educate him with his responsibility to lead by example and correct his delusion of privilege .... finally I order him to conform to regulation.....
I had almost this exact scenario.... the young Lt ignored my advice ( I was an NCO advisor to an ROTC cadet )..... The Lt's first OER stated " This officer has absolutely no leadership ability".... You can not educate STUPID

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2017 3:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 May 2017 15:36:21 -0400

Same issue here as the younger generation not respecting their elders for the fact of simple respect. Is politeness enough to get mutual respect? Is a chewing out going to resolve the issue? It is more than that, it is a general generation of entitlement. This is not a suit all situation comment, it is more if a sense of the everyone gets a trophy generation coming home to roost comment. To the point, I ignored people that didn't give return respect, they are not worth trying to save at the expense of an argument or threat today of physical harm. My two cents...

Response by SGT Michael May made May 22 at 2017 1:35 AM

SGT Michael May — Mon, 22 May 2017 01:35:48 -0400

I would inform him that Army Regulations applies to all that serve in this branch and that if need I would refer him to the regulation that addresses the proper wear of his uniform, what was acceptable and unacceptable.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made May 22 at 2017 8:27 AM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Mon, 22 May 2017 08:27:01 -0400

Okay, I have to do this from my point of view (that of an E5 and in the army). This is exactly how this gets handled:
1. Approach and get his attention and tactfully, keyword, inform the young 2LT that he is not supposed to be wearing a headset under those circumstances.
2. He cops an attitude.
3. Politely remind the LT that though he is an officer that all of the regs apply to him and he should be presenting himself better due to the fact that he is an officer.
4. If he corrects himself at this point, mission complete, thank him and leave. If not and the attitude persists, he then gets treated like any other little piece of shit.
5. Take down the punks name and unit, report his dumbass to his own chain of command, and they can deal with it.

I've never known of a COC that didn't respect the word of an NCO if an issue was brought up to them. Usually, shit gets hashed out. The key is to not lose your cool during the encounter. And when you leave the situation don't let it big you anymore. There are tons of little punks in the military, can't get angry at that all or you'll have a heart attack... Or a mental breakdown lol

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made May 25 at 2017 7:47 AM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Thu, 25 May 2017 07:47:34 -0400

When it happened with me (about untrue gossip of my soldier's wife) I told him "Yes Sir, but have you spoken to the old man about it?", saluted then once he stood up and returned it - walked away.
Funny thing was he tried to get me in trouble with the CO about my 'old man' comment. I wasn't privy to the conversation but a couple of months later overheard him telling another new LT that the CO and I were close so not to mess with the Scout Platoon.

Response by GySgt Rick Roy made May 25 at 2017 2:10 PM

GySgt Rick Roy — Thu, 25 May 2017 14:10:56 -0400

As a senior SNCO, I would respectfully speak to the LT. IF a gentle and respectful conversation did not correct his attitude, my next step would be to talk to the CO. with him in tow!
I have had to do this once in 20 years! Never met a grunt 2ndLt. Who thought he was a waterwalker, but have met a few support Lts who tried to be very hard to work with. So, if a respectful conversation failed, Mister DS, had a talk with the CO. Never heardrum what the CO. had to say, but attitude was gone from then on!

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 29 at 2017 9:30 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Mon, 29 May 2017 21:30:45 -0400

Attitude adjustments need not be obvious. The lieutenant would either correct the current evidence of his ignorance or we would be riding to his unit office. Strong letter to follow.

Response by CW3 Tim McCarthy made May 30 at 2017 2:22 PM

CW3 Tim McCarthy — Tue, 30 May 2017 14:22:23 -0400

It's very easy to give the text book answer here, but as a good leader,, it is our responsibility to find out why he has this attitude. He may belong to a poor led unit which condones this type of behavior. If true, is it his fault he's been trained by the piss poor behavior of his superiors? Remember, he's a 2nd LT, not worldly, nor wise. Maybe his NCO support chain has neglected their responsibility by ostracizing this young LT because they think he's an asshole. I've seen it before. More times than I'd like to count. It is important to remember that most, if not all, of these young officers held "BMOC" (Big Man On Campus) status just a few months ago. It takes time to adjust to being low man on the totem pole. Some rebel. I've known plenty of young cocky lieutenants who I would have bet a dime to a doughnut wouldn't amount to a pile of crap, that I was proud to salute as Colonels and Generals when I retired 21 years later. So, here's the answer: Correct, train, follow up. That's all that can be asked of a good leader. It will be up to him to toe the line. His success and failure is fully on his shoulders if we, as good leaders, do our job. Oh, one more thing, the military is not for everyone. Don't take it personal if he elects to fail.

RESOLUTE
CW0 (Retired)
Timothy McCarthy

Response by SSG Walter Corretjer made Jun 1 at 2017 7:38 PM

SSG Walter Corretjer — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:38:53 -0400

Someone told me many years ago,that there was no difference between a 2LT and a private.As I whent thru my career of almost 30 years,l got convinced that was true.

Response by LTC Betty Holm made Jun 1 at 2017 10:47 PM

LTC Betty Holm — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:47:31 -0400

As a fellow officer I would likely lock his heals and professional explain to him that if he does not set the example for his troops do not expect them to follow the rules either. If he persisted I would do as you and ask his Commanders name and the unit he was in.

Response by SP6 Ron W. made Jun 2 at 2017 5:06 PM

SP6 Ron W. — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:06:25 -0400

Send him to psychiatry to evaluate for Narcissistic Personality Disorder which will hopefully get him out of the military early. If I was young again, I would never trust my life to one of them.

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Jun 3 at 2017 11:06 AM

SSG Ray Elliott — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 11:06:29 -0400

To be perfectly honest as an NCO, for something like an officer shopping with a headset on I probably wouldn't have said anything to begin with. It's not a battle that would be worth my time. I would hope that another officer would observe and make the correction. If I did bring the deficiency to his attention, and received a rude response, I would have politely asked him for his name, and command and would have followed up with the next person higher up his chain of command. I would also take down the names of anyone who may have witnessed what transpired.

Response by Sgt William Biggs made Jun 4 at 2017 7:27 PM

Sgt William Biggs — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 19:27:56 -0400

I would follow that 2nd Lt until I find their command or we walk off the face of the planet. You better believe that I would happily offer him up as tribute to his CO and 1st Sgt. If they don't care, I'll stop by Battalion.

Response by SrA Michael Risney made Jun 7 at 2017 12:12 PM

SrA Michael Risney — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 12:12:01 -0400

Before I served, I was a dependent.
My father was a new 2nd LT having just completed OCS after being a enlisted E-7.
We went into a off base "mini-mart" and he saw some enlisted guys with one of their shirts untucked. He mentioned it casually and got a response about how would a 2nd LT know what was correct......
The E-7 came out of him real quick.
We got back in the car and he explained how choices are made and that being professional doesn't stop just because you are off duty.

Response by SGM Thomas Adderley made Jun 20 at 2017 12:30 PM

SGM Thomas Adderley — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:30:49 -0400

I remember one time in Germany about 1967 we had a young 1st LT, he was my Plt Ldr and I the Plt Sgt,; his arrogance and superiority was much like that in the original post. On short notice he became Company Cmdr when ours was curtailed to attend the AOAC. At this point the Lt assumed the air that he could do no wrong and walked on water. During an unannounced alert to test or readiness to deploy a Cal 45 pistol went missing. After shakedown of all equipment and accountability of everything by SN the weapon was declared lost. So, according to Div policy the Commander was immediately relieved of duty and transferred to Div Hqs. Another Plt Ldr took Command and the next day the weapon was miraculously found. That was how we took care of a_ holes.

Response by SP5 Terry Adams made Jun 21 at 2017 8:37 AM

SP5 Terry Adams — Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:37:40 -0400

In todays world I would get him in a video on my phone and send it to his commanding officer. Done

Response by MSG Keith Folger made Jun 29 at 2017 2:15 PM

MSG Keith Folger — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 14:15:45 -0400

As an NCO your best bet is to find out his unit's first sergeant and bring it to his concerns and let the first sergeant handle the incident through his chain

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2017 10:47 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:47:22 -0400

I was only an HM2 so I usually kept my mouth shut when out and about. Unless conduct impacted the mission or medical well-being of my Marines of course. However, I don't recall seeing major levels of fucked-up ness with Marine officers. Junior Navy officers could be complete screw-ups and were snotty. I often still would mind my own business unless it impacted my work or a patient. Jr nurses could be bossy and nasty or very high-strung around Corpsmen until they got things figured out. I never held it against them.

Response by PO1 Bernie Eckel made Jul 1 at 2017 6:25 PM

PO1 Bernie Eckel — Sat, 01 Jul 2017 18:25:58 -0400

I wouldn't say anything to him, I have better things to do than waste my time correcting a 2LT for nonprofessional behavior. This situation is for soldiers and sailors who have nothing to do, or that need to get a life. When I was in I had a job to do, which didn't include going around looking for un-important corrections.

Response by SFC Lloyd Byrd made Jul 3 at 2017 10:25 AM

SFC Lloyd Byrd — Mon, 03 Jul 2017 10:25:27 -0400

As a SFC, (retired) I don't assume anything. The example above doesn't clearly state that the 2nd LT (O-1) is in uniform or not. Giving the story the benefit of assumption, I will say that many here who have commented are absolutely correct Just because a person holds a higher rank than you, they are in no way entitled to be held above the rules or regulations. The AR 670-1, the army regulation that covers the wear and appearance of soldiers in uniform is clear as to what is acceptable to be worn on any given uniform. There are always additional appendages that can be authorized for wear, but these are normally kept to ribbons and badges, and authorized at the highest level of Battalion, Group, Division and Garrison commands. The soldier in question will no doubt be confronted with this very scenario in the future again. A good working knowledge of Army Regulations, Post Policies and Guidelines as well as great confidence in themselves and a command that will back them up when right will be the best tools to be the professional all military personnel should strive to be. To the 2LT, first and foremost professionalism must be shown at all times, their name must be obtained, which if the 2LT is in uniform should be easy enough, and informed what Reg, Rule or policy they are breaking. If the 2LT refuses to comply, the name, rank, time and place of the infraction should be noted and reported as soon as possible. If there were any witnesses, they also should be ready to provide testimony as to what they witnessed. Usually every post has a contact for this type of scenario, although it will only work as well as it is supported by the command. The only caveat I will put in this scenario is that the seasoned soldier must prepare themselves for any back lash by other military personnel who will use their rank or position to seek pleasure, profit or personal safety, which is one of the cardinal sins as addressed in the NCO creed as well as other creeds and oaths. Good luck soldier, and God Bless!

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Jul 4 at 2017 8:26 AM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 08:26:34 -0400

Wow! First off, I would never approach an officer in the rear to correct him. I would seek out another officer and explain the situation to him and have the other officer correct him. Who am I to tell an officer what to do? It's the rear, it's not the field and it's not hurting anyone, no one is gonna get killed. Yes, he is out of uniform, however, to walk up to an officer and challenge him in public isn't the right thing to do. You're not gonna get an extra cookie at the chow hall for doing that. I had two officers have a melt down with each other in the field. It wasn't even my unit. I was with a First Sgt of that unit. We where standing all together, when a higher ranking officer approached to find out how everything was going. That's when the melt down started. I was in shock, mouth opened, couldn't believe that this two officers were acting like children in front of me. The First Sgt tapped me on the shoulder and motioned me to follow him away from the fray. He calmly said," let the "Old Man" settle this." He was right. One officer came back later and apologize for his unprofessional behavior, the other never did. The First Sgt could have stepped in and tried to stop it, but, he wisely chose to move away from it. He let the officers police their own kind.

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Jul 4 at 2017 11:44 AM

SPC Sean Martin — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:44:13 -0400

First of all, I would not have said anything because it doesn't directly effect me. During my job, while in, I had a few 2nd and 1st LT's question whether I was doing something correct, or if I tried any certain way to correct whatever I was doing. I would always respond with, " Sir with all do respect, If you have thought of it chances are I have too; Thank You" ...and continued on. I found that most just wanted to learn what I was doing, and how I thought.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Jul 4 at 2017 8:40 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 20:40:55 -0400

If he out ranked me and didn't respond to my comments, I'd find the first officer senior to him and ask, Sir, when were headphones authorized to wear in uniform? See I didn't think so. I tried to tell 2LT Dumbshit over on aisle 2 because he's walking around this commissarry right now wearing headphones. He doesn't want to listen to me so...

Response by MSgt Fred Powers made Jul 4 at 2017 11:11 PM

MSgt Fred Powers — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 23:11:31 -0400

In 1984, while I was in-processing into the 44 SPS at Ellsworth, the group I was with witnessed a 2Lt giving some lip to a CMSgt over some matter. Within seconds of that conversation, the Squadron Commander, a Major, calmly asked the 2Lt into his office. The door was closed, but we could hear every word the Major was yelling as he ripped the 2Lt for about three minutes. After that, the door opened, the 2Lt stepped out, apologized to the CMSgt, and departed the Squadron Area. That 2Lt went on to become a decent Shift Commander. The CMSgt held his cool and let the Commander handle it.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jul 11 at 2017 10:10 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Tue, 11 Jul 2017 22:10:19 -0400

I would jerk his butt into my office and have a come to Jesus moment, reminding him, I write his OER. Took command of company in 73, from officer drummed out of service. First formation, no platoon officers present. Inquired if officers were assigned to company, 1st Sergeant indicated affirmative. I began to search the post for them, finding them in the officers club at 9:00 am. This combat hardened officer now commander, being a OCR drill instructor, reduced these 2nd lieutenants to maggots and from that day forward, not one missed morning roll call, there was no question whether to salute or not and "sir" was used extensively.

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 12 at 2017 4:10 AM

CPO Glenn Moss — Wed, 12 Jul 2017 04:10:42 -0400

Ooooohhhh...

Do NOT make me pull out the dreaded Chief's Coffee Mug and say "Noted"!

An exchange of information would ensue...his name, command, and immediate superior for my name, command, and immediate superior.

A 2LT is a Junior Officer, and it is the purview of Chiefs to develop JO's. I rather suspect that is also the purview of the senior enlisted of the other branches, as well.

The standards of our subordinates will be as high as our lowest standard. You cannot be an effective leader and take others to task for standards that you, yourself, do not uphold. An officer who does not understand this MUST be corrected, because that person is not doing our military service any good otherwise.

Response by SGT Thomas Bentley made Jul 13 at 2017 7:37 AM

SGT Thomas Bentley — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:37:03 -0400

If you acted with respect to the rank and professionally, then he is in uniform you have his name. This is exactly what the IG is for, you don't file a complaint but a inquiry. Someone will get back to you.

Response by SGT Jim Arnold made Jul 14 at 2017 12:23 PM

SGT Jim Arnold — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:23:05 -0400

my thought is this. mentoring Pvt's and 2lt's, you do this by being courteous and polite without being confrontational or as others have stated being professional. You get more from honey than vinegar. You dont have to be an asshole to make corrections. With the 2lt you tell him that I as a NCO enforce the standards he as the officer sets the example. If he doesn't get it, its on him/her, its their career.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Jul 20 at 2017 12:24 PM

Col Jonathan Brazee — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:24:25 -0400

I was going to dive school at Pearl Harbor as a first lieutenant, and after a long day, a couple of us were in our PT gear, lounging by the sub-base pool at the BOQ eating a burger when colors sounded. We immediately came to attention, but two tables over, a lieutenant commander kept seated while eating his meal. After colors concluded, one of my fellow lieutenants marched up to the lieutenant commander and asked why he didn't come to attention. The man looked insolently at my friend and said something like he was eating. My friend simply lit into him with a fervor, and the lieutenant commander, suddenly unsure of himself came to attention while suffering the tirade. At the conclusion, he apologized, using "sir" to address my friend and promising never to do it again. he picked up his unfinished meal and left.

Was my friend out-of-line? Maybe. But it was effective, and I'm willing to bet that lieutenant commander never sat during colors again.

Response by SSG Joseph Dowell made Jul 22 at 2017 8:06 PM

SSG Joseph Dowell — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:06:35 -0400

Like Msgt Kurt S. above, I was an SSG working in the ICU at William Beaumont AMC, FT. Bliss when one of the 1LT RN's put on her head covering and was wearing the camouflaged rank. When I respectfully told her that she was out of uniform for the Garrison she said she did't want to be bothered with saluting. I then proceeded to explain that the salute was a sign of respect and was an honor for those who understand its history. She continued to argue that I was out of line and I finally said I hope she doesn't run across a more senior soldier on her way to the PX and left the room.

It seems of all the posts I have served at Ft. Bliss seems to be the worst when it comes to UMJC and following regulations. (Just saying)

Response by SPC Jesse Motton made Jul 24 at 2017 10:26 AM

SPC Jesse Motton — Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:26:26 -0400

Go get that senior NCO!!!!

Response by Cpl Clifford Hager made Jul 27 at 2017 2:23 PM

Cpl Clifford Hager — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:23:31 -0400

I worked with a unit at Camp Pendleton in 1969 who's primary function was training brand new Second Lts to be platoon commanders. We had an over abundance of brand new officers, some of whom felt they were entitled to respect without earning it. Two instances come to mind from those days. One involved a young butter-bar who turned and chewed me out in his best imitation of a Drill Instructor for failure to salute a "Superior officer." When I pointed out that he was displaying no rank insignia (We wore all rank on collars or shoulders in those days and he had neglected to pin his bars on the epaulets of his field jacket). He pulled open his collar and displayed the bars on his blouse collars with a huff and an ugly stare. I snapped to attention, offered a crisp salute and a "Good morning sir!" then turned and continued on my way.

The other was in the company of a Master Sargent with a detail that consisted of a half dozen Marines all (including the Master Sargent) with our arms completely full of boxes of supplies we were moving up to the headquarters building. As we passed a spanking new 2nd Lt. the Master Sargent said "Good Evening Sir!". The kid commenced to chewing us all out for not offering the proper salute. Ok, you have to know where this was going. Master Sargent set his boxes on the ground and I'll never forget the first words out of his mouth: "Boy, I was in Green when you were in diapers!" and he commenced to giving a lecture on proper military etiquette, including chapter and paragraph, which he concluded with a crisp Marine salute, picked up his boxes and led us off to our destination.

While it is true that we respect the rank, not the man, much better leaders are the ones who demand respect through their actions and treatment of the ranks, and not by simply putting on the uniform.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2017 4:12 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:12:31 -0400

If this 2Lt was in uniform then there is certainly a problem! Being professional means being respectful when necessary and knowing when to call BS exactly what it is. Sure, I would step up and ask if the 2Lt understood the principles of wearing the uniform. If they chose to remain respectful then the conversation is civil and we go on own separate ways. If the 2Lt chose to cop an attitude then it is game on. I would ask for Commander's name and what unit they are from then end the conversation there. A parting photo of the 2Lt being taken as proof of poor decision making on the 2Lt's part would accompany the email detailing the events. I would also offer to personally account for the situation in person at the Commander's and First Sergeants discretion. End of story.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2017 4:18 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:18:58 -0400

In this case, I believe everyone has a responsibility to address this young officer and politely/respectfully inform them of their better choice. Should they chose to be obtuse about it then I have little sympathy for them. That young officer would understand why there is such a thing as disciple and respect. I would not mind standing on a Commander's carpet explaining why I dropped the hammer on an Officer who willfully chose to set an extremely poor example. Being stupid is not an response any SNCO or Officer should ever have nor it is a reason to not uphold the expectations levied on us by our CoC.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2017 4:29 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:29:56 -0400

I would politely respond that I was not aware that AR 670-1 was just for Enlisted Personnel. I would then proceed to pull out my phone and look in the regulation; which clearly state that you're being a jackass.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Jul 29 at 2017 11:26 AM

SSG Chris Gursky — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:26:27 -0400

I would have been the professional that I was and explain slowly (he is an LT after all) about where/why he was wrong. But I would definitely get his name and unit and bring it to his chain of command.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 31 at 2017 5:37 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:37:29 -0400

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member: I would address the store manager; and suggest that the 2LT think about others First. Captain, I was only an E-4 in the Army; however, I believe that this 2LT'S behavior was uncalled for.
-Most Sincerely, Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Coach/Photographer/Singer
P.S. In the Army, I was a: Squad Leader; a Graduate with Honors, a Sports Director and a Sports Director for Dependent Youths

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 3 at 2017 4:30 AM

SGT David Petree — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 04:30:29 -0400

If at all possible get his name an unite. Then take it up the chain.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Aug 3 at 2017 4:56 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:56:51 -0400

I would politely and tactfully remind him that He is setting his NCO's up for failure by disregarding the regulations, and that "Joe" sees everything, and "Joe" copies what he sees.

Response by 1LT Christopher Gonzales made Aug 5 at 2017 4:01 PM

1LT Christopher Gonzales — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 16:01:15 -0400

You respond professionally, but with authority every single time. One of the proudest moments of my career was when my platoon and I were running a demo range for some MPs to practice with the M5 and M18. One of my team leaders and I were busy going down range to help the younger guys set their shot. When we are coming back, I see a LTC with his cell phone out. Before I get there, I watch one of my high speed Specialists walk with purpose to the firing line. I arrive just as he starts telling the LTC that cell phones pose an EMR risk and he cannot have his phone on the firing line. If he wants to observe, he needs to get the phone away from the firing line to keep those training safe.

I had never been so proud. He handled it with authority, as an expert in his craft, and set the tone for the professionalism we expected on our line.

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Aug 8 at 2017 3:00 PM

SGT Stanley Bass — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 15:00:09 -0400

I would ask him the brigade or battalion he was with and proceed from there. The other side of that is, and I have heard this, I did not do it while I was in. Tell him I more than likely have more time in service than he has in grade LOL. I was also stationed in Korea, and met a LTC there. When we PCS'd on our due times. One of my decisions for where I want was because he was there. I would often meet up with him and shoot the bull on base. I would walk up to him and salute as I approached and he would come to quickly and salute. I guess he would forget since we were friends away from the military that saluting was still required when I approached him on base.

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Aug 11 at 2017 6:09 PM

SPC Don Wynn — Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:09:45 -0400

My first reaction is that as an EM, I'm not stepping on that landmine. I would seek out a senior NCO or O grade and advise them of the LT's appearance. Let's be honest, unless it was something they merely overlooked - missing brass or uniform malfunction - anyone under E-5 is not getting that LT's ear in a meaningful way. I learned this while speaking to my fresh out of the Citadel PL during a field exercise. We were hiking from one area to another and he was next to me, feeling talkative. I asked what he graduated with. When informed it was some type of Biology Science, I asked why he didn't go into CBR corps. I was immediately responded to with "Being a Yankee (I'm Chicago raised) I wouldn't expect you to understand the importance of Infantry experience to a Southerner, so best to keep your thoughts to yourself". Shocked by the rather blatant put down to my background, I politely pointed out that calling me a Yankee (which I correctly took as an insult, having been in for 2 years at that point and having friendships with my Rebel colleagues ;) was a bit over the line, SIR. I was then informed that it was best we never 'converse' again unless it was strictly work related. Luckily I rotated to my next duty station within 6 months, but those 6 months were not pleasant.

Response by CSM Victor Angry made Aug 12 at 2017 3:21 PM

CSM Victor Angry — Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:21:00 -0400

How do I react? I rip the damn headphones out of his ears and tell him, don't worry sir, that didn't apply to you.

Response by SGT Scott Moreland made Aug 12 at 2017 6:52 PM

SGT Scott Moreland — Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:52:56 -0400

In any case whether officer or enlisted, respectfully inform them that all soldiers regardless of rank are expected to follow the same rules and that they risk someone who outranks them taking notice. If they continue to be dismissive; if you are an officer - more than likely you do outrank them and that 2LT needs a lesson regarding their place in the US Army, if you are enlisted - end conversation because eventually they will learn their lesson the hard way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2017 12:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:49:53 -0400

NCO here. Be polite, respectfully remind him that he is setting a poor example for his soldiers, and carry on. If I could get his name and unit, I would tell my Sergeant Major, and let him handle that; as I work at a battalion, our Sergeant Major as direct access to our CO, a Lieutenant Colonel.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 18 at 2017 2:48 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:48:57 -0400

My response to him is; Sir, you are out of regulations by wearing that head set. As an NCO, it is my duty to inform you of this violation and unprofessionalism. You rude response is an insult to my rank and my sir deserve no respect from me.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 6:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:06:49 -0400

Hopefully there's a commander that fixes that problem before it gets to bad for the enlisted Soldiers under him.

Response by PO2 Stephen McKean made Aug 25 at 2017 1:29 AM

PO2 Stephen McKean — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:29:56 -0400

When it comes to butter bars I used patience. I got to know them and when I understood them, I destroyed them. Though there were very few I did this to but they came to know that if they had no idea of what my station was I would make them feel like idiots. A CWO warned me once that I walked a fine line between what was right and what was punishable by UCMJ and that I did it very well.
Best was when I made my CO look like an illiterate ass infront of the mess deck (all who delt in Navigation had to watch a stupid powerpoint because Port Royal? Ran her dumbass onto a reef and lost both her screws. When it came down to the Honda Point incident of 1923 where seven destroyers ran aground he asked us "Where were the OS's? Who was manning the radar?" a combination of being tired and missing sleep because of the powerpoint I had enough, stood up and spoke my mind "Sir, with all due respect radar wasnt invented let alone implemented yet and wouldnt be until the later of WW2 when OS's would have been called Radarmen. The reason for this incident was they were using dead reckoning navigation as the CO of the flotilla didnt trust the radio beacon navigation that was new for its time." I was escorted off the mess very quickly by my CWO where I expressed to him I would never follow a CO into battle that pointed senseless blame on a subject he knew very little about and is expected of any CO to know.
This CO was eventually canned and his XO was removed.

Response by SSG Quince Kreb made Aug 25 at 2017 5:26 PM

SSG Quince Kreb — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 17:26:09 -0400

Oh contraire, he is even more subjected to those rules and regulations as a Commissioned Officer.

I would professionally ask his name, rank, unit, Company and BM Commander's name... and even phone numbers. With that information I would visit one of those leaders to inform them of their new Lieutenant's attitude toward Base policy.

Response by COL Mark Crowley made Aug 31 at 2017 5:33 PM

COL Mark Crowley — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:33:46 -0400

I would take him to a quiet, private place and discuss the behavior expected of an officer in the military and how his behavior fell short of the behavior expected of someone of his status.

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Sep 1 at 2017 4:41 PM

SPC Sean Martin — Fri, 01 Sep 2017 16:41:06 -0400

Smile, and carry on! Karma's a bitch!!

Response by CW2 Michael Mullikin made Sep 2 at 2017 11:43 PM

CW2 Michael Mullikin — Sat, 02 Sep 2017 23:43:37 -0400

"Excuse me, Sir. I'm sure its an oversight on your part, put a statement like that is usually followed by a Court Martial." (or, dending on the time and place, a grenade.)

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Sep 19 at 2017 7:54 AM

SGT Jody Beach — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:54:46 -0400

2lt tells you rules do not apply then ball up your fist and punch him in the face and say I am glad to hear that ....

Response by Cpl Benjamin Weston made Sep 19 at 2017 2:33 PM

Cpl Benjamin Weston — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:33:05 -0400

I say by your leave sir,.... and go on about my business.... and continue my own course and steer away from this... there are shitbirds and there's nothing you can do about it unless you have rank above them.... then and only then will something happen.... you must keep your composure and know your place... walk away.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Sep 19 at 2017 4:23 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:23:15 -0400

I would note his name and unit patch and pass the information up to the next higher officer in my chain of command. Then go on with minding my own bussiness

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2017 9:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:15:50 -0400

Get his name and go to Division CSM

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2017 2:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:51:43 -0400

I'd probably laugh at first.

Then, if he was serious, I'd say, "Sir, I'm sorry but no one outranks the regulations. Please adhere to AR 670-1."

If that didn't work, I'd get his name, his unit, and get in touch with the CSM of the next highest echelon he served under to handle it, because my theory is that if this random 2LT is walking around like this and has this attitude, then it's a command issue at his parent organization and someone should have caught this attitude and lack of bearing before I saw him in the PX. Either way, I'm sure once that CSM hears about it and passes it to the BC, the situation will be rectified.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 9:08 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 21:08:27 -0400

When I was a 2nd Lt and still as a 1rst Lt, it will be a cold day in hell that I can't learn something from an experienced NCO. Rank be damned, the rules apply to everyone and officers and NCO's should set the example.

Response by COL Jason Woodford made Sep 30 at 2017 12:02 PM

COL Jason Woodford — Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:02:04 -0400

Since I am a COL I suspect this young Lieutenant would be hard pressed to take such a tone as this with me. However, let's say I observed him responding to someone else in that manner when they tried to correct him. I would pull him aside and explain to him how critical humility and a sense of servant leadership are to being a good soldier (and officer). I would further explain to him that if he joined the Army just to boost his ego, then he needs to separate from the service at the soonest opportunity, as it's not about him. I would also explain the damage he is doing to the relationship between the NCO/Enlisted Corps and the Officer Corps. If his attitude persisted then I would find out where he is from and contact his leadership for further action.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Oct 1 at 2017 10:35 AM

CW4 Angel C. — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 10:35:24 -0400

He wouldn't dare say that cause I'd snatch it right off his head.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2017 10:24 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 22:24:55 -0400

Off the top of my head, if you're a senior NCO or higher, correct him. If he gives you attitude, chew his ass. Being a LTC with 5 years of enlisted service prior to OCS, I understand and appreciate when anyone, especially a senior NCO or higher, respectfully tries to give me a correction, and I'll gladly say thank you.
But if this is another junior officer who thinks he's been coronated rather than just commissioned, give him the appropriate attitude adjustment, along with a message to his next higher officer.

Response by LCpl Stan Rabinowitz made Oct 2 at 2017 4:35 PM

LCpl Stan Rabinowitz — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:35:12 -0400

For one,unless he approached me i would ignore him
Second thoze boot lt's are more trouble than their worth and can cause you more misery than you want so i would just let it slide because most likely a higher up will confront him.

Response by SGT George Duncan made Oct 6 at 2017 12:31 PM

SGT George Duncan — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 12:31:09 -0400

wait for him to figure it out/ an laugh behind my hand

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Oct 14 at 2017 1:18 AM

LT Brad McInnis — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:18:03 -0400

I never had a problem with a junior person correcting me on issues. May not have liked it all the time, but I also realized that it takes balls to tell an officer that they have a problem. I also knew that most times, the junior had more experience than I did... If the Officer does treat the junior disrespectfully, that is never right, and they should be reported.

Response by Maj John Bell made Oct 14 at 2017 2:27 AM

Maj John Bell — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:27:40 -0400

Well, if I am senior in grade and his response is anything but to remove it and apologize, he finds out "Yes, Virginia you really can fill out a charge sheet on an officer." If I am the same grade or junior, officer or enlisted, I find an officer senior to him and refer it to that senior officer. If I am a junior enlisted man and he's really an ass about it, I find a Sergeant Major, and then quickly scoop up small children and young dogs, then look for a bomb shelter.

Response by CPL Glynnda White made Oct 15 at 2017 5:19 AM

CPL Glynnda White — Sun, 15 Oct 2017 05:19:27 -0400

You mean like the West Point grad who displayed a pic of communist/terrorist/murderer Che Gueverra on the t-shirt he was wearing under his uniform. He had the picture taken after his graduation ceremony, added it to his social media for God's sake and yet was commissioned anyway.....as far as I know he is still "serving"......why don't we address stuff like that or a requirement for male cadets at another school to wear red pumps so they can know how women feel who "have to wear pumps". I think we all know that women are allowed to wear flats while in Class A's or B's. They wear pumps because they choose to do so.
The commissary question is a non starter....the military is too PC today to seriously address something like a butter bar wearing headphones in the commissary....

Response by CDR Bob Hillery made Oct 15 at 2017 6:03 PM

CDR Bob Hillery — Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:03:36 -0400

Get his name and unit.
Meet with a senior officer in his chain in a professional/work environment that day or the next and politely explain what happened, express the same concerns with that 2LT's failure to meet standards and add that the response was a more damning example of PPP.
In a GOOD organization, I probably wouldn't have to say anything else or even ask something odd like, "so what are you going to do ...?" I would expect - hope - to be almost interrupted by, "Thank you. I will have a word LT X and ensure corrective measure are taken."

I'd also keep an eye peeled for this guy for either further transgressions, better bearing, or attempts at retribution ...

Response by MAJ James Rip made Oct 19 at 2017 4:31 PM

MAJ James Rip — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:31:42 -0400

Hmmmmm....how do I put this without offending both sides. In another life, I was once a former US Army Mustang (Officer that was once enlisted). I have seen it from both sides. The LT was definitely wrong but keep in mind two wrongs don't make a right. I know this is offensive to some people, especially those NCOs who are looking for an opportunity to ride rough-shod over an officer. It can be a hard thing to imagine but you have to use tact in dealing with everyone, seniors and subordinated alike. Just remember this, there is no such thing as disrespect to a NCO from a commissioned officer. However, the opposite is true. It is true that regardless that the LT was wrong. I have found there are other ways to address issues.
I know it makes some people angry that the LT walked away but here is my question to those who it makes angry, why? You did the right thing and there is no reason to sink to an unprofessional level just because someone else is acting unprofessional. However, you can always use tact. You could simply walk up to the LT and ask them what they are listening to? Or even say something like, “Sir, the post commander occasionally comes in here and I know you are enjoying the music but I don’t want to see you get jammed up.” I think that might go allot farther.
Correct the LT and walk away. If he doesn’t listen then he is acting foolish. I have known allot of NCOs who had to deal with stubborn and foolish junior officers. The solution is that you have to let them fall on their face once or twice before they start to learn. However, if you outrank him then that is a different issue.
Here is why I am saying this; there was a SFC who told me something similar. However, I wasn’t at the commissary. I was in uniform and I wasn’t a LT but a CPT. However, I was sitting in a mobilization center waiting for a bus to go back to war in Iraq for a third time and I was talking to my loved ones before I left out while the phone was charged. I knew it wasn’t correct but I could not hear unless I used a headset. Sorry but I have heard allot of large booms in my career. The SFC was correct but it was the way he did it and that’s what made it dead wrong. He should have used tact and disrespecting a commissioned officer is one thing that will jam an NCO faster than anything. It doesn’t matter how right you think you are when you step outside the rules then you are just as wrong. By the way, the SFC wasn’t deploying and was staying stateside just like he did for most of his so called “illustrious career.”

Response by LTC Michael Sternfeld made Oct 19 at 2017 5:37 PM

LTC Michael Sternfeld — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:37:17 -0400

If at all possible correction should be done off to the side and as low key as possible and most importantly with a witness to back you up. Otherwise it might be best to avoid saying anything. Remember; Always pick the time and place of your battles and prepare the battlefield.

Response by SrA Vern Cox made Oct 21 at 2017 9:07 AM

SrA Vern Cox — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 09:07:33 -0400

Be a better example than him. Show him how it's done. He's supposed to be an officer "AND a gentleman". Take his rank and name but above all, maintain the bearing he doesn't have. Report him. His rubbing lower ranks the wrong way may one day affect his command ability.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Oct 28 at 2017 3:20 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 03:20:30 -0400

I would remind the young 2d Lt., that regulations apply to all ranks. Then point out to him more discreetly that as an officer, he sets the example for not only the men in his platoon, but others around him.

Response by GySgt Randy Stiltner made Oct 31 at 2017 12:15 PM

GySgt Randy Stiltner — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:15:05 -0400

I would say with all due respect military regulations apply to all military personnel irregardless of rank and you being an officer and a leader should set the example but if you insist on breaking regulations than I will be forced to take this incident up the chaine of command

Response by LT Adam Morgan made Oct 31 at 2017 7:46 PM

LT Adam Morgan — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:46:43 -0400

Remind him that the root of the word discipline comes from disciple. While he does still have legal authority, he has no moral authority to expect compliance with regulations while he isn't following them. Without moral authority he is not a leader, just an order giver.

Response by SGT Bryce Bivens made Nov 3 at 2017 7:17 PM

SGT Bryce Bivens — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 19:17:32 -0400

He better hope he isn't my platoon leader and has to tc my track...ever heard of turret surfing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 9:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 21:39:16 -0400

Inform him that rules and regulations apply to everyone and let his Command Sergeant Major know.

Response by LTC Robert Gray made Nov 4 at 2017 2:38 PM

LTC Robert Gray — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 14:38:41 -0400

I think SFC Dusty Hobbs response to a Colonel and Major at Fort Campbell illustrates the solution best.

SFC Hobbs had a detail working near the PX. He had been on them about maintaining a professional demeanor. They noticed the two field grades walking with out their headgear. Troops being what they where demanded he take action.

Dusty approached the two officers saluted and explained the situation and respectfully requested they put on their caps. They gave him a ration. He sent his troops back to the company and went to see the CG. He sat for 6 hours and finally saw the general. He related the incident. General called Colonel. Colonel told a different story, Major lied.

CG dispatched the MP for Dusty's squad. MP picked up Colonel and Major. General interviewed all involved separately. Result the Colonel was retired Major resigned Dusty and squad received letters of commendation.

Solution for LT. Approach respectfully. If they give you shit report to your chain of command. The First Shirt association will take care of the LT.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Nov 7 at 2017 10:46 PM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:46:22 -0500

Must be an Army thang. Off duty in the commissary playing Deputy Dawg is Mickey Mouse bullshit.

V/r, Master Chief Radioman, USN

Response by SGT Robert Schell made Nov 8 at 2017 8:58 AM

SGT Robert Schell — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 08:58:38 -0500

That headline states a redundancy.

Response by SSG Michael Keohane made Nov 9 at 2017 6:18 PM

SSG Michael Keohane — Thu, 09 Nov 2017 18:18:18 -0500

It is part of the job for a good NCO to quietly correct a 2LT. In most cases, the 2LT will appreciate the NCO's act. For the few that will act as described above, they must be reported to their command.

Response by 1stSgt Daryl Allen made Nov 11 at 2017 7:35 PM

1stSgt Daryl Allen — Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:35:02 -0500

I have had this happen to me a couple of years back. I am a retired AF First Sergeant and was taking a break with another retiree outside our base commissary when we noted an Army male exit his vehicle without his cover. I addressed the issue in a polite manner. I asked where his hat was and he indicated in the car and could care less about not having it on. I asked who he was assigned to so I could address the issue to his Commander. EOD came his reply plus he could careless since he was getting out in two weeks. The EOD School was contacted with no Army Officers assigned. I figured he was assigned to the 7th Group Special Forces. All Officers Call was made and the issue addressed. No further problems encountered.

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 16 at 2017 2:13 PM

SPC David Willis — Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:13:55 -0500

This one is tougher than the E2 question. Everyone outranks an E2, only a small portion of SMs actually outrank even the butteriest of butter bars. I would have honestly just left it alone, us infantry guys usually don't have much tact, and I wouldn't want to risk a shouting match in a commissary where you can see general officers and DIV CSMs or even worse their spouses... no matter what I was trying to correct as a SPC Id be getting my ass reamed for a month for that.

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Nov 24 at 2017 10:26 AM

LT Ed Skiba — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:26:46 -0500

The reason they give 2Lt's and Ensigns gold bars is so you can tell them from the officers!

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Nov 25 at 2017 9:54 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:54:45 -0500

I had a similar event that happened while I was working the swing shift in the USEUCOM Patch Barracks Communications Center in Stuttgart in 1969. I was the shift supervisor otherwise known as the Trick Chief. The 2LT had come in and quickly criticized the way I was managing trash removal--of all things.
Nevermind I was working with Top Secret messages that had to get logged in correctly and have them relayed to other stations in Germany--many of which were of high precedence.

I asked, "Are you serious, Lieutenant?"
"Yes, I am, Sergeant! Now do as you're told!"
I didn't argue as there were subordinates nearby and did as he ordered.
The next day I visited the OIC, a CW3 who was known to be fair, but stern, if need be. After my interview with the OIC I never saw that lieutenant again.

Response by PO2 Waylon Swartz made Nov 26 at 2017 7:14 PM

PO2 Waylon Swartz — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:14:16 -0500

Even as a "lowly" E-5 (Sgt. for everyone else), it is not only my duty, but "right" on a ship, to correct a "Butter bar's" behavior, because on a naval vessel, even the most innocuous actions can endanger the vessel. However, I had a run-in with an Ensign (O-1) at the base hospital on the base of all things, which on naval bases are deemed no cover/no salute areas once on the medical grounds out of respect for the sick. Anyway, this Ensign was wearing his cover on the grounds (I was not, knowing the standing orders/procedure's), and predictably, he stopped me, proceed to berate me, and even threatened reporting me to my command and demanding Captains Mast (punishment where you go before your Colonel). He asked what I had to say about it, I proceed to inform him of the rules & reg regarding naval medical grounds/facilities. He proceed to inform me that, of course, as a lowly E-5, and him being an O-1 Officer and a Gentleman that he was the shit, and could command a carrier battle group on his own. That's how far his head was up his ass. Fortunately, and unbeknownst to me, it just so happened that my very own XO (O-5) saw & heard this ass reaming I was getting from the Ensign and he decided that enough was enough and stepped in in my defense. I swear, I have never in my life seen an Ensign be reduced to less than a fuzzy private quicker, faster, or more humiliating, than this man was. My XO made him apologize to me for everything and also made sure that I was temporarily assigned to the nimrod for 10 days, to "show" him how the real Navy works. Overall, a very unpleasant experience,but I squared him away to my XO's satisfaction. Some "butter bars" are just stupid/clueless coming straight from school. This was one, fortunately he seemed to learn, but it was embarrassing to the both of us all the way through. He did learn respect for the sick though. Plus my Lt. Commander (LTC for the Army/ AF among you), did put a note of praise in the Ensign's folder, and gave me an outstanding recommendation in my personal file, along with a recommendation for some sort of ribbon and a promotion. Never got the ribbon, and it was too soon for me receiving the promotion due to time in service. Oh well. At least I had the opportunity to train and make better an Ensign. (I did have guidance not only from my XO, but some excellent E-7's through E-9's along the way, as well as other officers too)! Well, most are stupid and need to accept guidance and but occasionally you get the truly arrogant, know it all, superior ones, but there is hope for them yet. Just wish this one had not insisted on me placing my cover on my head and rendering a salute to him on medical property. Would have saved us both ten days of grief....

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Nov 29 at 2017 2:39 PM

SGT Christopher Lachcik — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:39:37 -0500

You just mind your own business and do your shopping...who cares what they are wearing lol

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2017 10:23 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:23:03 -0500

I think this situation needs little more tact. If you are a junior enlisted, I would bring it up to your NCO. If you are an NCO, I would bring the 2LT behind closed doors and have a talk about professionalism. If that does not work, bring it up the chain to whoever is above the 2LT. If you are a senior to the 2LT, again bring him behind closed doors and explain the problems with their behavior. If they do not listen, start a paper trail.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 1 at 2017 12:50 PM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 12:50:35 -0500

OK, I gotta admit, thats a pretty interesting scenario, certainly. One, where I was, I went in for mail at the enlisted barracks where our mailroom was. When I'd walked out, a young enlisted guy was standing in the parking lot with apparently an open can of beer, yakking with a couple of more senior NCOs, he was somewhat boisterous. I just stood there and stared, till the more senior NCOs got the hint, and told him to close his open fatigue shirt, and basically lose the can. Now, in all truth, that was the one and only time I ever had to do that, while on active. The only other instance was at USAF OTS, there was a strict rule that OTs couldn't wear sunglasses, I was walking around with my parents and younger fraternal twin brothers who were visiting, when a newer more junior OT walked by with a friend, blatantly wearing them. So, that was the one and only instance I ever had to give a more junior OT a demerit, just thought you'd all find that at least amusing, if nothing else. God knows, I got my share of demerits, lol. About the one mentioned here, my initial thought would be for the seeing it to mention it to the commissary manager discreetly, and let them deal with it, just a thought, of course, many thanks.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2017 4:26 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:26:36 -0500

Any justifiable reason to be wearing the headset?

I dont normally start by telling people they are wrong....

I normally start by asking why they are right...

The headset may or may not be a regulatory violation (there are ofren justifiable, rare reasons why a policy doesnt apply or when an exception should be granted)...

By asking them to justify themselves rather than berating them, they are less empowered to resist...

If and when they fail to justify their actions, they are normally mpre compliant because they arent responding from a position of heightened defense and aggression

Response by SP5 Larry Morris made Dec 1 at 2017 5:39 PM

SP5 Larry Morris — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:39:11 -0500

be smart don't talk to the prick

Response by LTC John Griscom made Dec 1 at 2017 6:36 PM

LTC John Griscom — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 18:36:21 -0500

I was a 1LT and asked by a Captain (also a doctor) why I didn't salute him. We were standing in the middle of the street in our compound and he has no hat on. I told him that I would treat him like an officer when he started acting like one and walked off.
Not just 2LTs who feel entitled.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made Dec 5 at 2017 7:22 PM

SFC Laurie Schultz — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:22:36 -0500

Lock him up

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Dec 7 at 2017 1:05 PM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:05:14 -0500

Report the incident to his CDR.

Response by SGT J M Porters made Dec 8 at 2017 12:41 AM

SGT J M Porters — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 00:41:00 -0500

Number one as an enlisted unless you are in charge at the commissary or it is a part of your job title. You do not have a conversation or anything to say to the 2LT. If it is an issue you report it to your chain of command and let them handle it. Keep it moving.

Response by COL John McClellan made Dec 11 at 2017 9:58 AM

COL John McClellan — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:58:04 -0500

Sad. Well, I'm inclined to pull him aside, and go over it again, followed by giving an order, if need be. I've also been known in situations like this, to take out my rights warning card, instruct the knucklehead to stand at attention while I place them under arrest and call the MPs... that usually loosens up the audio canals...

Response by SFC Lupita Lopes made Dec 19 at 2017 9:46 AM

SFC Lupita Lopes — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:46:42 -0500

Being respectful of his rank, I would ask his name, unit and commander. I would also write down all that transpired, then ask him if he could join me outside the mess hall and let him know that the rules apply to everyone. Ask why he thought that rules don't apply to officers? Let him know that he was probably once an enlisted person and was expected to obey the rules, these same rules apply to officer or enlisted. Explain that this was a teachable moment and hope that he did take away something from it. Salute him and leave.

Response by SSG Chris Allsopp made Dec 21 at 2017 10:25 AM

SSG Chris Allsopp — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:25:43 -0500

Inform LT of infraction. Remind LT of leading by example. Report LT to their Chan of command, ensure employees of establishment can reinforce complaint.

Response by LTC Stephen McClain made Dec 21 at 2017 11:47 AM

LTC Stephen McClain — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:47:27 -0500

Yes, as a professional yourself, you are compelled to do so. If he refuses to hear you out, you need to speak to his OIC, the young Lt needs a "reality check". Some of the most valuable advice I was given during my carreer came from NCO's who cared about the future of the Army.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Dec 27 at 2017 9:48 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 21:48:24 -0500

I've been in something of a similar situation.......
While at a special event to present the colors, our assignment was to have each team member in a different uniform BDU, DCU, ACU, Class A dress greens, and the Ceremonial dress blues.
A 2nd LT. apparently he didn't like that idea, he kept telling me that it wasn't authorized by regulation, so I politely asked to which reg he was referring to, and it came as no surprise that the LT said that he didn't know and that he just knew it wasn't allowed for 5 different uniforms to stand together.
I then politely told him AR670-1 said that there will be no mixing and matching of parts of one uniform with another uniform, I also told him that does not include 5 different uniforms with 5 different soldiers wearing them.
Needless to say he refused to listen to an NCO who had been doing Honor Guard for more than a dozen years when the LT had only 2 years in prior to being commissioned.
So it be came a stand off with the LT pitching a fit over it, the LT made several phone calls to Senior NCO's who were in admin and they all told him the best person to ask was the NCOIC who was at the event because he knew the reg and was certified at the P.E.C. Honor Guard Course.
The LT after the 6th or 7th call and getting the same answer had an adverse reaction and looked at me and said they all gave me the same answer to ask you.......
The LT then said that he would therefore counterman me and make the final say so. Big mistake for him, I then told the LT since it was now his word and order not to allow the team to perform at the event he would be the one to explain to the requester why the team did not perform.
Later that night the requestor and the State Governor asked me what happened and I respectfully told them please ask the LT he gave the order.
The next day my NCOIC and 1stSGT called me in and told me that the requestor and the State Governor called and made a complaint and the CSM was extremely livid and wanted heads to roll so I explained to the 1stSGT and CSM what happened and I was sent on my way later I found out the LT had had his butt handed back to him along with his butter bars on a silver platter by the Battalion Commander and the CSM with a formal reprimand on his record at the request of the Governor.
Moral of this story is NCO's should always lead the way and train the new butter bars to listen and follow the experienced NCO's and learn other wise those I know everything butter bar know it all's will get sent back with the small children and delinquents who think the same way just because they wanted to jump in over there head and get that bar which doesn't guarantee them to be all knowing once it gets pinned on. NCO'S lead from the front and teach your new LT's so the don't end up like the LT that got himself in over his head with the Battalion Command and a Governor. And please no matter how much it hurts you to be to the one who knows the regs because your supposed to doesn't mean your gonna be able to stop a new LT or a pvt2 from shooting themselves in the foot perverbelial way cause there gonna do it anyway just because they have to test the waters for them selves to learn it may take a few times and may take a cranky CSM and Battalion Commander to set them straight and when that happens short leashes come to mind to help correct the problem along with a cork under the nose to help the learning and training process.
NCO's lead the way and know they are more professional and knowledgeable.
If a correction has to be made on the spot make it quick, direct, and to the point and quietly and not embarrass anyone in front of others be polite be professional and they will follow while you the NCO leads the way and set the example but if they are still bent on going and doing a thinking they are above the S.O.P. or policies and you did you job to try and correct the problem you have done your job and it is now their failure for not complying with policy.

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Dec 28 at 2017 3:15 PM

FN Charlie Spivey — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 15:15:52 -0500

We picked up a newly minted Ensign out of the Acadamy while we were in Vietnam. On the way home, we were coming up on the International Dateline. We had also picked up a couple of Enlisted personnel as well, none of which had crossed the Dateline before, or at least while aboard ship. They were considered as having sneaked in the back door and would have to unbdergo the initiation as we all did. It went fine for the Enlisted guys, there were two I think, but the Ensign decided that he was above all of that and really pitched a fit. It go so bad, that the Captain secured it ( the two enlisted had been done ). When we got home, it wasn't long before he got transferred. Word had it that it was to some Isolated LORAN Sta. in the middle of no where. Hopefully the one outside of Thule Greenland.

Response by CMSgt David Morris made Dec 30 at 2017 12:20 PM

CMSgt David Morris — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:20:58 -0500

First, I do not use the word "react," because it assumes lack of thought before taking action. As most all of our police, fire, and special tactics personnel do, in both military and civilian sectors, I "respond." In such a case, to prevent any chance of escalation in a Commissary setting, I'd tell the 2LT to have a great day, and then later, without his or her knowledge, I'd snap a few photos and provide them to the appropriate chain of command, with a note that my professional offer of advice to remove the headset while in uniform was met with, "that rule does not apply to officers."

Response by SSgt Thomas Hirschey made Dec 30 at 2017 4:18 PM

SSgt Thomas Hirschey — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:18:43 -0500

I had many during my career, call tattle tailing if you want but I would address them and if they didn’t want to listen, I would have a chat with the commanding officer about what I saw and how unprofessional it was.

Response by SGM Steve Richards made Jan 3 at 2018 1:17 PM

SGM Steve Richards — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:17:19 -0500

This type of action is totally un-becoming of an officer and he should be immediately be reported to his commanding officer. It's apparent to me that this young officer has a lot to learn, as most Butterbars do (no offense). In my career, I have trained several young LTs and there education always seems to outweigh thieir military experience. Hopefully, this young officer be correct his actions and learn that rules, in fact, do apply to him.

Response by SSG Nathan Blair made Jan 6 at 2018 12:37 AM

SSG Nathan Blair — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:37:55 -0500

I would love to give you the hypothetical I would do this or that, I can only relay MY experience. When I was a young soldier (Army) and training to be a crew chief on Blackhawks, we picked up a couple of squads of infantry on a mission on post (post withheld for identification purposes). They failed to radio ahead they had 12 combat equipped troops. I proceed to secure the troops on my side as my squad leader and flight crew trainer did his side of the aircraft. I return to my window and there sits a shiny butter bar lieutenant in my seat. The pilots radio are we ready to go. I replied negative sir as I'm motioning this lieutenant to vacate my seat, he is vigorously refusing by hand gestures indicating he was staying put. I clicked the Mike and say sir he's refusing to move. My squad leader (E-5) comes around to my side of the aircraft, with one hand unbuckles the lieutenant, grabs the top half of his body with the other hand by the collar of his BDUs, grabs his belt with the hand he unbuckled him with and tosses him over his head about 6-8 feet from the aircraft. He keys his mic tells me to get in, jumped in on his side and says, let's go. We took off with that lieutenant yelling, kicking and shaking his fists at our aircraft. Our pilots radioed to the infantry hq that they might want to send a vehicle to pick up Mr butter bar I'm in charge lieutenant. The lieutenant tried to make something of it, our flight crew had to submit statements. In the end the lieutenant got transferred to another battalion because he lied to his CO. We got an apology from the infantry Battalion Commander and I learned the true power of a Sergeant. The guy was like awesome to me after that.

Response by PVT Leighton Bader made Jan 7 at 2018 8:12 PM

PVT Leighton Bader — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 20:12:51 -0500

Tell a 1st sergeant, if that doesn't work suck it the hell up, he out ranks you.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 7 at 2018 9:49 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 21:49:29 -0500

Ignore him/her to the extent I could, then jack them up when the conditions were right. Nothing worse than an arrogant 2LT. MAJ Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SSG(P) Dan Keene made Jan 7 at 2018 10:09 PM

SSG(P) Dan Keene — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 22:09:19 -0500

What is a headset, like radio headphones?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2018 11:31 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 11:31:00 -0500

There are 2 ways to approach this. from an NCO standpoint. "With all due respect, sir, AR 670-1 applies to all US Army soldiers, on and off duty, in and out of uniform, on and off military installation" is one approach. The second approach is rank structure. If I am not mistaken this is a CPT address the deficiency of a 2LT, in which case the 2LT has been instructed by a higher ranking Officer to fix himself. It doesn't matter if the CPT is in the same chain of command, general military authority applies here. The CPT did the right thing and attempted to correct a problem, the 2LT failed to correct himself, therefore the CPT has an obligation to inform that 2LTs chain of command, as he clearly is prepared to do.

Response by SP5 Rich Goulet made Jan 9 at 2018 9:29 PM

SP5 Rich Goulet — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:29:16 -0500

Don’t send them to a combat zone.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jan 10 at 2018 5:53 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:53:43 -0500

Find out who they are, command, and CO and report the conduct. About all you can do.

Response by SSG Anthony Butler made Jan 11 at 2018 12:13 PM

SSG Anthony Butler — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 12:13:10 -0500

Do an article 138 on the LT

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 1:29 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:29:23 -0500

Response by COL John Hudson made Jan 15 at 2018 7:51 AM

COL John Hudson — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 07:51:18 -0500

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." Always worked for me during my 30 year career. An event occurred during my second tour in Iraq. Walking toward the Presidential Palace in Baghdad, I had a Marine Sergeant Major approaching. He looked right at me, an Army Colonel, turned his head and continued as if I did not exist (note, this was NOT a non-salute area). I politely and with respect stopped him, requiring an explanation (of which he had none and acted like, "Who in hell are you to confront me?"). I pointed out proper military courtesy was in full effect and expected him to demonstrate recognition of any Service's senior field grade officers (I was a full Colonel at that moment) with a proper military salute. He ignored my statement and continued as if to walk away...that did it. I demanded his name and unit, and it took a direct order before he reluctantly threw up a half-hearted salute. That attitude and lackadaisical effort earned him a one-way ticket to our Two-star who locked his heels and promised to return him to CONUS if any further demonstration of that type of behavior was seen. A General-level message was immediately issued to ALL CONCERNED about proper military courtesy and we saw no more of that during my remaining time there. Oh, for the record, my father was an E-9 Chief Master Sergeant (Air Force) and my brother was an E-9 Master Chief Petty Officer (Navy) - I had then and still have the highest respect for all Enlisted service members and have no doubt that had the two of them encountered that Marine, he would have lost one half of his back-side to each one of them for exactly that same reason!

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Jan 18 at 2018 6:41 AM

Sgt Neil Foster — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 06:41:00 -0500

Tell him that he is a military officer, not a high school diva.

If he wants to play that game quote regulations, find out who is commanding officer is and tell them.

Response by SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates made Jan 21 at 2018 11:34 AM

SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 11:34:38 -0500

First of all, he would outrank me. I'd speak directly to his behavior and tell him that I'd find it very difficult to see him as a leader and worthy of my respect if he can't follow the same rules that I have to follow. I'd thank him for not being in my CoC and suggest he consider that SMs in his own line of leadership may feel the same as me. Those below him may not cooperate with his leadership and those above him may undercut him as a result of it. What if someone took a photo of him acting this way and sent it to his CoC? Not saying it would be me necessarily.

Response by SPC Joe Davenport made Jan 22 at 2018 11:53 PM

SPC Joe Davenport — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:53:05 -0500

In addition to getting his or unit information I would ask where they earned that bar! Knowing that I would ask point blank if ANY of the officer of NCO instructors told them the rules don't apply to you? Sir or mam, I know this is new to you but it is the UNIFORM that says wether you can jam your tunes NOT wether you are "at work". I had the good fortune to serve under two STUNNING 2nd Lt.s (one OCS and one direct commission) who had a solid grasp of how things like that worked and when and just how hard to come down on screw ups. They also knew when and which NCOS to listen to hard and which ones were often a waste of time.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2018 7:59 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 07:59:40 -0500

At JBLM, the Corps commander mandated that all military personnel will wear APFT uniforms if in the gym between 0530 and 0800 on duty days regardless if in leave, pass or whatever. Better be in uniform.

The Corps CSM sees a young woman in civilian work out gear and asks her rank and unit; a 1LT. Asks her if she is aware of the order, she admits she is but doesn’t agree with the order. He asks her if she’s like to go discuss it with the CG and she declined.

The Brigade Commander did get to discuss it with the three star. Minor face ripping.

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Feb 9 at 2018 8:47 AM

SGT Walter Lester — Fri, 09 Feb 2018 08:47:44 -0500

The Lt has mentors no matter how inexperienced he is or how young. His rank has a lot to do with his situation with the soldier. If he is in uniform on post or off post rules still apply. If he teaches his mentors and soldiers to do or act like he does he needs to practice what he teaches.

Response by PO2 Patrick Dwyer made Feb 10 at 2018 2:45 PM

PO2 Patrick Dwyer — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:45:18 -0500

Try to inform his command."Doesn't apply ? lmao.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Feb 19 at 2018 10:06 AM

SGT James Murphy — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:06:17 -0500

I don't know about you but we all picked up a bottle of Jack Daniels and walked over to the Admin Buildings and somehow his files got distributed in 5 other mail pouches going to 4 different countries duty station.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2018 3:43 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:43:23 -0500

Having dealt with this before, I will say that I have a boss for a reason. Now if no one is in immediate harm or potential loss of life then I am not about to lose my military bearing in the commissary. I have addressed the situation, if the Officer behaves in a way unbecoming of their rank then that is on them. But it will be addressed when I provide my boss (typically an O5 or above) with their name and a description of the transpired events. That Officer will be in front of someone that they cannot as easily blow off.

Response by Capt David Bays made Mar 2 at 2018 4:42 PM

Capt David Bays — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 16:42:52 -0500

As a former 2LT, I always appreciated when anyone politely pointed out when I was not wearing the uniform properly.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 2 at 2018 6:22 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 18:22:25 -0500

I give the my name and unit and request the same. Then I tell them I will be in touch with their commander, and if they want to, please contact mine- but I will be briefing mine the second I leave that 2LT.

Response by MAJ J Alti made Mar 10 at 2018 4:56 PM

MAJ J Alti — Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:56:44 -0500

I never knew any 2LT that would be that disrespectful. They might disagree but never have a response like that.

Response by MAJ J Alti made Mar 10 at 2018 4:59 PM

MAJ J Alti — Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:59:42 -0500

I've never known any 2LT's to be that disrespectful. They might disagree, but never be disrespectful. How about come up with a more realistic scenario?

Response by SSG Guy Gould made Mar 22 at 2018 10:15 PM

SSG Guy Gould — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:15:17 -0400

Provided the lieutenant was in uniform at the time, my response, at the point where the lieutenant became unprofessional and he forfeited his position and authority, would have been, "Sir, I appreciate your candor. However AR 670-1 applies to you just like it applies to everyone else" all the while noting his unit patch, name, and shooting a video on my cell phone for his commander.

Apparently, this Second Lieutenant had not been properly run in. The last Second Lieutenant that was welcomed into a platoon that I was a part of found his desk chained to the outside of the company area per orders of the platoon sergeant. When the lieutenant asked about his desk, the platoon sergeant said he could move it back in to the office when he provided evidence that he would be a welcomed asset to the platoon (a team player).

Response by SGT Michael Evans made Mar 25 at 2018 1:00 PM

SGT Michael Evans — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:00:03 -0400

Same thing I USED to tell them. I had more time in the damn latrine than THEY had in SERVICE and NO, I will NOT DIE because of their STUPIDITY.
Simply start with this line " SIR, No disrespect to your RANK AS AN OFFICER but SCREW YOU as a PERSON and YOUR IGNORANCE "

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Mar 26 at 2018 3:13 PM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:13:09 -0400

Been there and done that. "Excuse me sir my I remind you that...". I was told it was none of my business. Being a Senior Chief Petty Officer I asked the "gentleman" very quietly if he would like to discuss the matter in a more private setting. He was fabigasted and asked why. Note, we were both in uniform at a Exchange mall. I put my hand on his shoulder and quietly whispered that i would glady accompany him to the Command Duty Officer and there he could explain why he was behaving in a blatant manner that was prejudicial to good conduct and order in the UNited States Navy. He blinked and ask if I could do such a thing since I was only a senior chief and he was a Ensign. I assured the clown I could and would and if he thought I was only a senior chief and he did not have to listen, OK. Since he was a student and recent graduate of OCS. I gently said I would see him at his CO's office tomorrow at 09830. He stopped what he was doing and walked away. Next morning he was marched into his CO's office at 0830 and there his CO (an 06) and I were sitting enjoying a cup of coffee. Needless to say he learned very quickly the Navy adage "listen to the chief". I anly hope he really learned from the incident. Maybe the tears he shed helped. SCPO(SW) USN Ret.

Response by SSG John Morgan made Mar 27 at 2018 12:38 PM

SSG John Morgan — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:38:42 -0400

By demonstrating tactical and technical proficientcy I would get thier attention that I am the real deal and they usually followed suit,not bad people just need a little guidance,thats all.

Response by SrA Matthew Oneil made Mar 30 at 2018 3:27 PM

SrA Matthew Oneil — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:27:35 -0400

DONT CALL ME SIR I WORK FOR A LIVING

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Apr 1 at 2018 10:57 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Sun, 01 Apr 2018 22:57:11 -0400

My answer would always be the same, if the 2nd LT is in uniform that head set is definitely out of uniform and I would get his name unit and name of his commanding officer. And then report him for his uncoming behavior as an officer.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Apr 2 at 2018 2:31 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 02:31:27 -0400

I remind this 2d Lt. that the rules apply to all ranks, both enlisted and officer. Then if this young man is in uniform, I write down his name and ask which unit he is in. Then report to my unit first sgt about this officer, give him/her the information I collected.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Apr 2 at 2018 11:51 AM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 11:51:16 -0400

Oh I'm not sure about today but when I was a NCO correcting Lt's behaviors were considered part of the job. They can threaten belittle whatever but you go find a senior NCO if you aren't one and they will gladly "explain" to that young officer why it behooves them to comply with regulations, quoting said reg if needed.

Response by SPC Steve Willis, PhD made Apr 3 at 2018 3:47 PM

SPC Steve Willis, PhD — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 15:47:17 -0400

My exposure to O-1s in the 70s left me with the solid impression that butterbars cannot pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel. Your mileage may vary! ;-)

Response by CPT William Jones made Apr 8 at 2018 11:36 AM

CPT William Jones — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:36:36 -0400

I’ve walked both sides of the fence, enlisted in ‘83, commissioned in ‘88. I had a 2LT threaten me, an E-3 then, with UCMJ for not having something he never gave me. Took it straight to Top, and he straightened out the 2LT. Never forgot that, and always stayed close with my platoon sergeants and Top to keep me honest with the troops.

Response by Cpl Corey Hallowell made Apr 14 at 2018 5:33 PM

Cpl Corey Hallowell — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 17:33:07 -0400

Been there done that. Told my cwo3 and he told him basically that he's not gonna tell me how to do my job and that, as a Pfc, I could basically tell him to fuck off if I wanted

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2018 9:38 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:38:09 -0400

IG.

Response by SP5 Tom Brown made Apr 19 at 2018 9:44 AM

SP5 Tom Brown — Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:44:45 -0400

Had one of those in basic at Ft Polk in the '60s..... fresh out of OCS and wanted to show EVERYONE he was a Lt..... he later died in Vietnam.... felt sorry for him because instead of respect..... he earned disrespect....When I became a Lieutenant, I tried to be the opposite.... have been retireddecades but my troops STILL call me LT.....

Response by CSM Lynn Chrisman made Aug 22 at 2018 11:44 AM

CSM Lynn Chrisman — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:44:10 -0400

As a retired CSM I have handled this by being respectful and reminding the 2LT who I report to

Response by Cpl John DeConti made Aug 22 at 2018 5:53 PM

Cpl John DeConti — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:53:40 -0400

Even as a corporal I have corrected a 2nd LT (privately, calmly and politely)... It may just be a head set but the troops are supposed to be led by example. I won't mention her name but I found her with hands in her pockets in Okinawa at a motor pool with some other officers. When she walked off from the rest of them I put my hands in my pockets and spoke to her about it.. She got it... Never happened again. Not only that she was appreciative of the concern... Because at the end of the day its corporals fault when my platoon looks like a shit sandwich.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2018 8:58 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 08:58:36 -0400

One thing to keep in mind, officers are only as good as the senior NCOs who trained them as 2LT or 1LTs. Being a senior NCO is more than being a mentor to your suboridnate. It’s being a mentor to junior officers. A senior NCO will find a solution to fix the situation. It’s what they do. We have to bring these future leaders up correctly. This young officer could be your future brigade commander. His effectiveness could stem from a simple on the spot correction about headphones in uniform.

Response by CSM Tee Oden made Aug 28 at 2018 8:48 AM

CSM Tee Oden — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 08:48:54 -0400

As a young E4 Specialist, I had this experience which could have gotten out of hand. I was called to assist the communications section with a problem. Upon my arrival, I was briefed by the SFC of the situation. Even though I held a different MOS, I built radio systems as a hobby. After troubleshooting the tank, I discovered ezposed wires were shorting out the entire system. At that point, 5 radios had burnt. I asked, why 5 radios were allowed to burn before asking for help? The SFC advised the new Plt Leader gave the directive. I removed the tank from service and began taking the turret apart. In the middle of the repair, I overheard yelling and cursing outside. The 2LT was yelling at the EMs to put this f**king tank back on line. I respectfully introduced myself to the 2LT and advices him the CDR requested this vehicle be fixed ASAP so I directed the tank be offline until the repairs can be made. At this time,, the 2LT became verbally abusive towards me. I advised the EM to leave the area as I seen this issue is escalating. At the time, military bearing began to go out the window and I adviced him that I will not stand here and argue with you. Until you wear Signal Flags, don't tell me anything about the electrical systems of the tank! As this was said, the Brigade SIGO walks over to stop the confrontation. After listening to the situation, the SIGO corrected me regarding how I handled the situation and advised me if this should occur again, to excuse myself and inform the SIGO or Commander. The SIGO then turned to the 2LT and schooled him on military bearing and professionalism. After the repairs, the CDR completed a statement of charges for the 2LT to pay for 4 524 radios he allowed to burn knowing their were major issues. $$$ Karma is a mother! Respect is everything! Keep your cool and report any unprofessionalism using your chain of command.

Response by SPC Amanda Morse made Oct 2 at 2018 7:42 PM

SPC Amanda Morse — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 19:42:30 -0400

Keep your military bearing, take note of the 2nd Lts name and unit patch. Report it to his chain of command. Or go to your chain of command.

Response by SFC Bosun Frusher made Dec 14 at 2018 4:05 PM

SFC Bosun Frusher — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:05:48 -0500

When dealing with 2nd lts as described in this thread I found the best way to deal with it was to “allow” them to go about their merry way knowing that sooner or later they be back asking for help. Sfc ret

Response by Cpl Ronald Hart made Jul 12 at 2019 11:38 PM

Cpl Ronald Hart — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 23:38:09 -0400

being a very short timer at camp horno, I WAS CHECKING OUT and driving myself around Pendleton
to do this chore. 2nd Lt. told me to stop driving my car..I immediatly went to the co. office and
REQUESTED MASS--NEEDLESS TO SAY--I started driving again.............

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made Aug 26 at 2019 4:26 AM

MSgt Steven Harris — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 04:26:42 -0400

It is quite common to find 2LT from the academy and new in their units with this type of attitude and response. So the first thing is showing respect to the officer, next you did right to address the code violation, if in uniform. But what you do next is dependent on where he belongs, your unit or somewhere else. Out of uniform there is no regulation requirement, he is right. It is done all the time by people. Another officer is a peer and can talk to them more harshly on correction if warranted. but an lower ranking enlisted person is out ranked despite their experience level so they must be diplomatic in such situations. However, a SNCO that is different ballgame and they can and will clarify their authority and position on the matter with the inexperienced and foolish 2LT. The rules are different in reality, as we all know at schools vS regular bases. RHIP is not a myth. Higher ranking individuals get away with allot in all the branches. I didn't like it either, but I learned to pick my battles that I could win against the system. In truth, that 2LT could cause more trouble for a lower ranked enlisted person than enlisted could cause for him. However SNCO's have their own chain of command who can quickly correct such misunderstandings! My golden rule is life is not fair is Karma is a B!!! and what goes around always comes around! So if he/she does push the rules it will bite them bigtime in the future! I am a by the book kind of person but I learned there are a million regulations that we soldiers must abide and we can't know the all so I politely inform people of their ignorance as said and hope they grant me the same courtesy when I screw -up on something. You said it was a 2LT so there is automatic ignorance of regulations and proper attitude right there.LOL

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Sep 5 at 2019 5:32 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 17:32:31 -0400

PACESETTERS SIR! oh Lt your rank is upside down.

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Oct 19 at 2019 2:55 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:55:29 -0400

When I was a trooper, we avoided talking to officers at all costs except in the line of duty. What kind of army are you morons running?

Response by SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) made Oct 19 at 2019 7:07 PM

SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:07:44 -0400

I would then remind him that military customs and courtesies apply to everyone who wears the uniform and then carry on.

Response by SPC Ryan Vanlaanengregory made Oct 21 at 2019 1:06 PM

SPC Ryan Vanlaanengregory — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:06:53 -0400

Buy your stuff and move on with your life, be more concerned with your LT who's probably jacked up your leave form and lost all your training certificates.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2019 6:09 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:09:37 -0400

As a SPC I would just smile, say “Roger that sir”, wall out of the commissary and call my CO who loves railing 2LTs who have a since of entitlement. My rank does not allow me to be rude nor does his rank allow him to exude rudeness to me. “If the correction doesn’t work then your job as a junior enlisted soldier has been achieved, you spotted a deficiency, tried to make a correction and were rudely ignored, let someone with more rank handle it.” MY BDE 1SG

Response by SSG Brian Edwards made Oct 21 at 2019 6:34 PM

SSG Brian Edwards — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:34:26 -0400

I was a damn good soldier but I never felt the need to be a uniform corrector while I was i was in the army. In the eleven years I served that is one of the dumbest things I seen happen while being at the commissary or px is when some body wants to be the uniform police. It's fine if it's something major I would expect it but when I seen somSGM chewing on some newbie be it a lot. Or private out in public the only fool is them just my opinion but I can now say it I'm not in no more

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Oct 21 at 2019 8:38 PM

CPT Robert Holden — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:38:04 -0400

Rules apply to everyone everywhere. But one should always be cautious and polite when addressing a superior officer . Plus 2nd LTs can be a bit full of themselves . I was much more humble because I was an e5 before I went to OCS. Regardless the rules apply to everyone

Response by CPT Jim Titus made Oct 21 at 2019 11:56 PM

CPT Jim Titus — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:56:21 -0400

As a new 2LT, I remember another battalion’s CSM privately addressing my uniform infraction in a terse manner in our company area. I corrected the infraction and stewed on an NCO addressing me like that. I realized he did the right thing. As time progressed, I realized his position as CSM compared to me as a 2LT. I learned from that.

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Oct 22 at 2019 8:28 AM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Tue, 22 Oct 2019 08:28:38 -0400

I was a 63H cross trained 63W(tank mechanic cross trained for wheeled vehicles) wich meant I was a detachment from a support battalion to a line unit. One tried to pull me and two others off of our job while we were elbow deep in truck repairs for some BS detail. I watched four E5’s and my E6 section chief, their E8 shop NCO, both the CW3 from the line unit and the CW3 from my support BN jump his shit! I guess he whined to the battalion commander afterwards. Within a week he was reassigned to another unit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2019 12:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:07:41 -0500

Whenever given a uniform correction even if the advice was wrong I have always thanked the person regardless of rank for looking out for me. Before retiring my favorite piece is cold weather gear was my brown sweater. Many time I was approached and told it was not authorized. I would thank the person for their correction and if I had the time for a teaching moment I would politely ask them what made the sweater, worn under the uniform jacket, unauthorized. Most of the time it was just what they had been told, the famous them and they, I would then explain that while I appreciated their looking out for a fellow Soldier that the Sweater was in fact still authorized and where to find the regulation and updates,/alleracts about uniform wear.
If the young LT does not want to listen I have plenty of numbers on my Cell Phone that I can send a picture to who will get his/her attention

Response by CPT William Jones made Nov 18 at 2019 12:03 AM

CPT William Jones — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 00:03:56 -0500

I was at pilot graduation for my son at Ft Rucker. His stick buddies dad was a BG and wore his uniform to the graduation. We had met before at a couple of activities during the 11 month course. Our kids were taking some advance training. After wing pinning etc we retired to dining room for lunch and the Bg was sitting across from me. I looked at him carefully and something was looking funny. Closer checking reveals' one of his ribbons has slipped off his rack. I pointed. it out for him. we looked and couldn't find it close to where he was. He was embarrassed but no one else all day told him his class A uniform was messed up. Even his sons and daughter noticed his problem all were military officers . He fussed at them for not pointing out his GIG. He bought me a extra desert.

Response by CW4 William Kessinger made Nov 22 at 2019 10:47 AM

CW4 William Kessinger — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:47:11 -0500

Rules do apply, even more so as an officer. You must set the example before you can lead. Troops will not readily follow a leader they do not respect.

Response by CPT Don Kemp made Dec 1 at 2019 7:25 PM

CPT Don Kemp — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 19:25:33 -0500

It has been a long time since I was in, but walking around the commissary with a head set on seems like NUNYA.....as in NUNYA bidness.

Response by SFC Donald York made Dec 7 at 2019 1:11 PM

SFC Donald York — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 13:11:44 -0500

Any of his subordinates have a right to address this Lieutenant in a respectful manner about his unprofessional behavior because he himself has superiors, but, don't ever embarrass him in public. I think this would more humbling to him.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Dec 12 at 2019 12:57 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:57:05 -0500

Besides wanting to cold cock this poor excuse for an officer, I would do the same thing. Loudly follow this sad sack where ever he/she goes. Exhalting his/her discrepdency all the while until we come upon a SgtMajor, captain or General officer.

Response by SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez made Dec 16 at 2019 12:41 AM

SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 00:41:05 -0500

Maybe ask him his name and unit then contact his unit and politely inform them one of their officers was not aware of that rule.. If he refuses then take his picture and post it on the base, division, battalion, unit, etc. Facebook page along with the Reg stating the proper rule. If you are lower rank do nothing at least you tried to help him. Most likely someone with a higher rank will see him too and say something.

Response by SPC Julio L R. made Dec 26 at 2019 9:02 AM

SPC Julio L R. — Thu, 26 Dec 2019 09:02:35 -0500

Why bother?

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Jan 5 at 2020 11:07 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 23:07:43 -0500

Squaring away a 2nd/Lt. is above an enlisted persons paygrade. It up to the CO. or another officer. You might mention it to an NCO. who you are friends with. . The so called officer would not be rude with his Co. or a higher ranking officer. If they are its not the same Army or Marine Corp. I knew. Semper Fi.

Response by Sgt Robert Kemp made Jan 9 at 2020 9:33 PM

Sgt Robert Kemp — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 21:33:56 -0500

I have counseled more than one young officer to grow up and earn the respect of both those under, and over him.

Response by SMSgt Cary Baker made Jan 17 at 2020 10:22 AM

SMSgt Cary Baker — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:22:05 -0500

Take this up to your Senior NCO. They should take care of a young LT.

This is very common with a few new 2LTs - they are young and just out of college - they need guidance just like anyone else. Good Senior NCOs will mentor their young officers while respecting their decisions - even when their decisions are wrong. I'm retired SMSgt - many times as a TSgt, MSgt, and SMSgt - I had took a young officer behind closed doors and respectfully spoke with them.

Response by SPC Jeff Woody made Jan 17 at 2020 10:55 AM

SPC Jeff Woody — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:55:17 -0500

With proper respect and courtesy then followed by affirmative action from his command as unprofessional action of unbecoming an officer.

Response by SFC Michael W. made Jan 17 at 2020 11:29 AM

SFC Michael W. — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:29:59 -0500

Respectively inform the 2LT about what's stated in AR 670-1 since I have probably addressed subordinates about a similar situation. I would "ask" for his name and unit (which he would probably refuse to give me) as I attempt to find another higher ranking officer or senior NCO in the commissary to quickly resolve the matter in a more unpopulated area.

If need be, I'll pull out that cellphone which has become almost as powerful as the Skillcraft and both photograph and record the 2LT actions. I'm quite sure at that point the 2LT will come to his professional senses and "stand down".

What I would not do is let it go unnoticed or unchallenged because of rank. Doing so would be the same as saying it's okay to be unprofessional.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2020 12:27 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:27:06 -0500

I would make the correction and move on, you can't fix the whole Army today, you can't make that person who outranks you care all at once.

13 or so years ago i was in Kuwait as a Junior CPT just as the ACUs came out with velcro name tapes. I would correct at least 3 people a day, many of them senior to me, that had their name and US Army reversed. I had so many adverse reactions from some people (such as officers and CSMs saying my name tapes must be wrong) that i would just walk up to them and say quietly that their name tapes were on the wrong side and walk away. I did have one Major chase after me to thank me, "Ive been walking around all day like that".

Pick your battles

Response by SSG Bruce Garrido made Jan 21 at 2020 6:37 PM

SSG Bruce Garrido — Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:37:23 -0500

If you know your right? And not make correction by bringing it to the higher ups in that commisary, Your as wrong as he is.

Response by LTJG David Fisher made Jan 23 at 2020 10:56 AM

LTJG David Fisher — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 10:56:18 -0500

Well start by documenting each offense if you can. Keep notes on the behavior with dates and times and the situation and if possible, get someone who was there to initial the date/time of your note taking. Called "contemporaneous notes". That is NOT their agreement, merely, their establishing the time/date of your notes... nothing more.

Is he merely a poor leader (bad enough) but does he endanger anyone or demean others publicly. Senior officers need clear evidence and proof to act. Otherwise they will defend the chain of command.

Ask to speak with the 2LT ***privately*** and tell him your concerns. The language you use is vital: do not confront him. His poor leadership behavior is probably rooted in self-image issues and you cannot confront him as it will trigger strong self defense response and he'll not hear a word. You really have to be tactful. Keep it short, easy to understand, and on the feeling and emotional level. "I'd feel great to do more for your orders, if I could understand better how you lead. This is risky if you are not tactful. Perhaps best not to do this.

Do not say anything that is NOT true for you. Do not say "others feel the same way" as that is a direct threat. You won't fix this issue, but you can lessen the negative impact.

Instead, tell him about how you feel about the issue without blaming him for anything. You are attempting to reach an emotional connection and not a "proof of a crime" slapped in his face. Let him know how you feel and how you would like to feel when working with him. You want to follow his orders and for the division (whatever group it is) to work better and to accomplish more. This gives him an out and does not threaten his self image.

Do not try to accomplish too much. He will not apologize as his self image will not allow that. Give him an example of one case in which if he said "this and this" it would work better for him (NOT for you, but for him.)

You are dealing with someone whose self image is poor and you cannot repair that. Lacking that, go to senior officer (not necessarily next in the chain) and show and talk about your notes and make sure you keep referencing your respect for the chain of command and that perhaps some ***minor*** adjustments coming from seniors could help. You have to be careful not to appear to be a threat to the chain of command by "ratting" on his fellow officer.

"Minor adjustments"??? You want to make it easy for Sr. Officer to get on board, not a big deal but something needing some minor adjustments. Then enables the senior officer to fill in the blanks as it IS a big deal or you would not have come to him, but, you let him arrive at that conclusion.

If offender is endangering anyone, then you really do have to talk to Sr. Officers as soon as you have some notes and proof.
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Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 25 at 2020 2:02 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Sat, 25 Jan 2020 14:02:33 -0500

I state that he is not exempt from installation, organization nor Army Polices. Make note of their name and provide it to your Company Command.

Response by SSG James Wilcox made Jan 29 at 2020 6:07 PM

SSG James Wilcox — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:07:46 -0500

Too easy. You call the E4 mafia

Response by MSG John Endersbe made Feb 3 at 2020 4:04 PM

MSG John Endersbe — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 16:04:47 -0500

When I re-enlisted as an E7, a second lieutenant admin type noted I had an unbuttoned pocked and loudly insisted I button it before he signed the reenlistment. I did. As he turned to sign, I noted his back pocket was unbuttoned. I, equally loudly, insisted he button his pocket before signing. I thought his clerk was going to swallow her tongue. Had he balked, the colonel would have signed.

Response by CPO Bill Feller made Feb 10 at 2020 5:39 PM

CPO Bill Feller — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 17:39:36 -0500

Well if I know his XO I gladly go and tell him of the poor example his JO is displaying to the Troops and then wait for the yelling to begin as it’s all gonna be one sided. When we had middies onboard for the summer we had this Midn 1st class who liked to hide during drills. The Chief of the BoT let the E-6’s run the middies. And this guy was Helo’d off as soon as the skipper could arrange with a letter of reprimand for his ROTC Commander. Come to find out later he was dropped from the program.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Feb 21 at 2020 2:25 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:25:09 -0500

before one of my deployments, my unit was standing in line to have new equipment issued. The civilian who ran the facility specifically stated that only Majors and above and SGMs and above were permitted to skip the line. Right after that I had two 2LTS come up to and tell me that I needed to move down so they could skip everyone else in the line. I repeated the instructions of the civilian and told them they had to go in the back of the line like everyone else and when they told me that they did not have to because they were officers, I quickly called out to a Captain who was in line behind me and let him know what was happening. They were quickly put in their place. If an officer is acting unprofessionally you should report it to someone in your chain of command. First, try your squad leader or PTL Sergeant, and if that does not work report it to your 1SG. You can report it to your commander but that would be a last resort. You can use your commander's or 1SG's open door policy which is spelled out in AR 600-20 (Army Command policy). We had a PSG and a LT fired from our platoon because of their behavior and incompetence.

Response by SFC Jeff Lapp made Feb 24 at 2020 12:20 PM

SFC Jeff Lapp — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:20:04 -0500

New battery XO 2nd Lt. on his first live fire exercise with an 8 inch Artillery unit. I was the gunner on the Battery base piece. The XO strolled up and informed me he was going to check the lay of my gun. I replied "yes Sir. please do". He proceeded to pull out his M-2 compass and shoot an azimuth, quickly he called out "Sgt your gun is out of safe range". I calmly replied "it is not Sir". He was starting to get in his feelings. I asked him to recheck his findings after he took off his Steel Pot (giving up my age), M-16, and move out from under the 15,600 lb howitzer tube, move about 50 meters in front of the gun, and shoot a back azimuth. Upon his return he quietly said " your gun is safe, thank you Sgt". He did end up being a great XO, we just need to teach them correctly.

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Feb 29 at 2020 10:34 AM

SGT Timothy Posemato — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:34:41 -0500

I was a Sgt in a 81mm squad, we were setting up for a fire mission when a brand new "butter bar" 2LT came up and told me what we were doing was wrong, in the academy they taught us this. I politely informed him that he wasn't in the academy anymore, he was in the real world, and many things they teach you don't apply out here, those are under ideal conditions. He became loud and demanding and said as a Sgt, I never correct him, a 2LT. The CO was within ear shot and in no uncertain terms that he was a new 2LT and if one of his Sgts said or was doing something he better not interfere because he had the years of experience and he knew what he was talking about. That 2LT eventually made Lt and turned out to be one fine officer.

Response by SPC Don Goffaux made Apr 19 at 2020 9:57 PM

SPC Don Goffaux — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:57:31 -0400

To start with I would politely ask him what Company he was assigned to on post & ask him if you can be transferred there & get or ask his name if in PT uniform before making any remarks. . . & after politely remarking on his screwed up fashion sense & they get rude with me . . . I would say with all due respect Sir/Maam your ate the fuck up if you think that would fly with the Post Commander & Command Sgt Major
And if from your unit take it to Battalion Command Sgt Major. . .
If their not from your unit you can take your concerns directly to the Post Command Sgt Major & really F- their day up!
But remember the keywords WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR / MAAM !
That is your get outta trouble trump card!

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Apr 20 at 2020 1:57 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:57:35 -0400

An E-2 is more of a problem as he is more of a permanent addition to a platoon. You can smoke and E-2. On the other hand, a butterbar's addition to a platoon is usually much shorter, as few as a few days, but serve a rotation with your platoon of about six months to a year before they rotate him somewhere else. We have had good butterbars and bad butterbars. But our NCOs knuckle down, practice discipline and find a work-around. All of us know the butterbar will be gone before we know it and replaced by someone else. In life, and even in the Army or Marines, you will be faced with and deal with so many different kinds of leadership. Some good, most okay, and some bad. Never forget your butterbar is being rotated through your unit and whether you like him or not, he is still CO. The platoon has to be good enough to shine past his immaturity.

Response by LTC Barry Hull made Apr 22 at 2020 8:46 PM

LTC Barry Hull — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:46:22 -0400

The part I don't like about this tread is as usual, we all like to bash 2LTs. Just about every story has to do with a failing LT. To me, that is an unprofessional bias and a correction many need to make. (Since we are on the topic of making corrections) Being a new LT (Ensign) in any service has got to be the most difficult transition any soldier makes. Likely the most educated in his/her unit but the least experienced and still ultimately responsible for the success and failure of his/her unit/platoon. So, a 2LT is an easy target and that is why your stories focus on them (IMHO) because each of you feel superior and some are jealous of the rank and privilege. As someone rightly pointed out, perfection is not a rank. We all strive to be the best we can everyday, or we should. So, IMHO this thread should be about the proper way to make a spot correction of a superior, regardless of rank and not focus on a 2LT. And the bottom line there is to be professional. Respectfully state your case. If the superior does not want the advice, don’t lose sleep over it. Especially if they are not in your COC. Stay on the high ground. Let them have the low ground. You have done your job and provided advice (hopeful sound). It is up to the superior to make the decision to take it. Secondly, never forget that every 2LT is a potential Company, Battalion, Brigade Commander, and on up. Higher level commanders are not born, they are made and nearly every one starts as a 2LT. A good NCO will help to professionally groom new officers. If they aren’t they are failing. I still remember my first PSG and 1SG. They both took an active interest in my development and did more than some of my Company Commanders. Those were the NCOs looked for when I became a Bn Cdr.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2020 11:39 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 May 2020 11:39:28 -0400

To start with, a 2LT has a collage education but that don’t mean he has any common sense. I’ve seen both in officers and enlisted. First is to segregate the OfficeR or enlisted from the surroundings. Many “act out” for attention or to establish their position. This already is a bad situation. So separation is key. Many will not act the same one on one. If it is a one on one situation, and I’ve experienced, I told the officer in a tactful way, “sir, I find your actions unbecoming”. Yes, I had one become more irate. So from there I let it be said and when through the chain of command. Don’t get in a contest with rank, make notes, go through the chain of command and I’m sure it will be resolved.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2020 2:26 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2020 14:26:53 -0400

Approaching this Butter Bar with respect, I would calmly, firmly and dutifully explain that I have worn this uniform since before he was in grade school. I'm here to tell you the rules do apply to you and that it is my duty to correct your behavior.

I respectfully ask for the name of your commander. Here is the name of my commander. If you do not make yourself right or refuse to give me your commander's name, I will make it my job to have your behavior corrected. Since I have more than twenty years of honorable service, I have nothing to lose. You on the other hand, may want to consider your future... sir.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2020 6:16 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2020 06:16:46 -0400

Move it up his chain of command

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 21 at 2020 6:33 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 21 May 2020 18:33:31 -0400

One of two things would happen (assuming I am a Jr. Enlisted soldier and not a CW3), Plan A, find the first Officer or Senior NCO and ask them for assistance in this matter or plan B, if I knew his unit I would snap an image of said LT, and ensure his unit got a copy of it along with a note on how you attempted to correct his/her transgression and they effectively blew you off. As a CW3...I don't think I can print what my action would be...lol

Response by SPC Tim Cook made Jun 3 at 2020 6:44 PM

SPC Tim Cook — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 18:44:41 -0400

Be as polite as possible, but correct the problem. If the person in question, be it 2Lt, PFC, or bird Colonel refuses to correct it, make note of the situation and walk away before it becomes your problem.
As a SPC4 in the National Guard, I had my fuel Hemmet set up to refuel trucks at the end of annual training. There was a long line of trucks waiting. A Major in a hummer rolled up demanding that I stop fueling a truck, and fill him up. I told him that as soon as that tank was filled I would get to him, but that he would either have to put out his cigar or walk 200 ft away while I was fueling. He got up in my face and started screaming at me that lowly pukes like me don’t tell officers what to do. I got lucky that our battalion CO, a newly promoted O6 heard the whole thing. He ate that major a new asshole!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 1:16 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:16:23 -0400

Wait for when you guys do land navigation. When he asks for help, tell him that different land nav rules apply to them as an officer

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 11:16 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:16:19 -0400

1. He's blind and listening to a book about Risk Assessment
2. Working and earning a commission = wearing a headset while shopping
3. You don't need to do anything; he'll get what's coming
4. The new TOOL Album!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2020 9:54 AM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:54:39 -0400

As a Chief, we're taught that we are to lead Junior sailors, and mentor and train officers. I've encountered more than a few Jo's with strong wills and bad attitudes. Sometimes, the best way to correct bad behavior is to have a private conversation. No matter how insignificant the action, wrong is wrong, so if you see behavior that you don't think is right, make sure to address it quickly, and privately. For any good SNCO, that means developing tact and explaining the "why" behind the "what". Sometimes it doesn't go as planned. I had an officer who I worked for who was extremely quiet during Commander Update Briefs. We were exercising in Hawaii, and the generators matched this Officer's tone and drowned out every word he said. Despite our O6 Captain asking him to repeat himself frequently, he didnt adjust his voice for volume. I pulled him aside and advised him that he wasn't being heard and that he needed to speak up to ensure the Commander had a clear understanding of the message he was conveying. He shrugged it off and told me he was being perfectly loud enough. I argued the point, albeit professionally, and he continued to speak quietly at the future briefings. I wasnt successful with him.

Conversely, I had a young LTJG who I worked for as an SEL (he was an OIC of a det of 30), who was a spitfire. The guy had a tendency to go high and right whenever something didnt go the way he wanted. I pulled him in and explained that his temper was causing an issue for our junior guys and it was causing him to lose effectiveness in his command. He took the reproach and listened. He asked that each time I see him losing his cool, to let him know. Each time going forward, I would see him catch my eye when he would just about get out of shape. After a while, I didnt have to say anything, he just caught my gaze and adjusted fire based upon my facial reaction to his tone.

The first officer retired, his rank terminal.

The second officer is going strong, and is very likely going to put on O4 soon. He's developed into a great officer and has learned to manage his temper.

Sometimes, speaking up has an effect, sometimes it doesn't. Our individual commitment to each other, one which strives for continued development and improvement, has to be exercised regularly. You never know how it's going to turn out.

Response by LCpl Richard Applegarth made Dec 27 at 2020 10:55 AM

LCpl Richard Applegarth — Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:55:29 -0500

First, as an enlisted man I would not take it upon myself to correct an officer in that environment. If it were in a combat situation and an officer was putting my life in jeopardy because of his or her unprofessional behavior, I would address it, but not in this situation.

Response by SFC Charles Hough made Mar 11 at 2021 8:28 AM

SFC Charles Hough — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:28:19 -0500

I would probably begin to embarrass him at this point by yelling and reminding him/ her that’s why young Soldiers are undisciplined by the piss poor examples they are setting..... but the right thing would probably be to inform his Chain of Command and let them fix the issue.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Mar 20 at 2021 4:57 PM

LTC John Wilson — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:57:39 -0400

I would once again tap him on the shoulder. Wait till he takes his earphones off and remind him that he is not to wear headphones in uniform in public. I would also Get his name, Rank and Service number and his unit. If he listens, I don't need the information, if he doesn't, I will report him to his Commanding Officer forthwith.

Response by SPC Brad Coons made Mar 21 at 2021 5:18 PM

SPC Brad Coons — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:18:07 -0400

WTF?!?!? Shopping with a headset on is against the UCMJ?
Perhaps this guy is talking to his wife about what groceries to buy. Perhaps she usually does the shopping and he is trying to ask his wife about what aisle he needs to look in. WTF is wrong with you people? I'm guessing that working out in a post gym would be the same. I had a CPT at 121 Evac in Yongsan, Korea deny me to question an assault victim because I didn't have my creds (new in country). That didn't work out too well for him. See the difference between Rank and Authority?

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Mar 21 at 2021 6:29 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:29:06 -0400

As an NCO, I would respectfully ask to have a word in private, and then explain to him that having academic courses in leadership does not mean he really leads anything, and that we NCO's can make or break him, and drive home the point that his primary role is to learn how what he learned in school is applied in a practical sense. That a platoons worth of NCO's have a combined 30+ years of experience on working as a team, and practical application of everything he is learning, from property book management, to MOI's, Con-ops, Op-orders, terrain walks, risk assesments. There is really no aspect of his job that at least two, more likely four, of us NCO's have not done.

If this does not work, and help that 2LT remove his head from his fourth point of contact, Then we can go one of two routes. The first, we speak to the Commander. The Second, we allow that 2LT the rope to hang himself. I have found that 2LT's that suffer from Napolean complexes usually hang themselves fairly quick, and get banished to the 3 shop.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Mar 22 at 2021 7:11 AM

PO1 John Johnson — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:11:26 -0400

Introduce him to the CSM?

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 22 at 2021 1:39 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:39:40 -0400

I'd do my best to make the correction. If the 2LT decided to be an ass about it, I'd "quietly" remind them (at first) that us leaders need to be professional and set the right example for these younger troops. If that still didn't work, then I'd turn up the volume until the problem gets fixed. I'd probably received a DA 4856 about it, but I can live with that if I'm doing what I can to make sure that my peers, seniors, and subordinates know what right looks like and call out wrong when I see it. (I'm writing it this way because it has happened to me a lot, especially while assigned to Fort Wainwright, Alaska and Camp Hovey/Casey, South Korea.)

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 22 at 2021 2:03 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:03:37 -0400

Simple. Ask him to identify his unit. Next, talk to the unit CO. The LT had his chance...

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 23 at 2021 5:24 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:24:22 -0400

Really, yo really want to know what any leader would and should do. That LT. Would most definitely wind up in an O6’s office at a minimum.

Response by Sgt Rocky Kemp made Mar 23 at 2021 6:08 PM

Sgt Rocky Kemp — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 18:08:31 -0400

Different approach ... I was a PFC just checking in to a squadron at Cherry Point. I was bogged down with a seabag, and footlocker, headed for the barracks from supply. A 2LT pilot was walking towards me and stopped when I said "Good Morning Sir". He stood in front of me and I realized he was waiting for a salute. I dropped my gear and gave him a crisp salute and he returned it, then grinned and said, "Can I give you a hand with all that stuff?" I served with him for several years after that including Japan. He was the first black officer and pilot I encountered in the USMC. He still has my respect and I think of him often and fondly. He retired as a LtCol.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 3 at 2021 3:06 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Mon, 03 May 2021 15:06:15 -0400

There's a rule against headsets???? If they are breaking the Commissary rule, then I would refer to the Commissary Officer to handle. I am not the Commissary MP nor the Commissary Protocol Officer if there is such an animal. As far as the rest of the world is concerned you courteously make mention to the officer, if they continue, then you can place him or her on report and let him people pull his sheets taught.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 22 at 2021 2:30 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Sat, 22 May 2021 14:30:50 -0400

The 2LT is abandoning his rank by publicly showing off his lack of military bearing and dismissal of military traditions. The rude reaction to correction is also abandonment of military traditions, and the behavior is violation of “ART 134 - Service Discrediting Conduct” and “Behavior Contrary to the Good Order and Discipline of the Armed Forces.”

He needs to be yanked up by his “stacking swivel” and counseled (officially) by the unit Commanding Officer, before he does any more damage to the “SPECIAL TRUST AND CONFIDENCE” that he bears as a commissioned officer.

The way to the Commanding Officer’s ear is through the Senior Enlisted Chain of Command.

In the Marines we address grievances through the Chain of Command, and in the case of exceptionally grievous behavior, any member of any unit at any level of military authority may “REQUEST CAPTAIN’S MAST” that makes the allegations of misconduct a part of the Unit History. To avoid inflicting a stain on the historical record of the Military Reporting Unit, the grievance will be headed off at the appropriate level of Senior Enlisted Leadership (SGTMAJ, 1STSGT...ARMY CSM).

Anyone who assumes their public displays of offensive and vulgar behavior doesn’t understand that as a leader, your actions are under scrutiny and judgment at all times; this is the privilege of the commission in the first place.

Response by SP6 M. R. Teeters made May 23 at 2021 11:56 PM

SP6 M. R. Teeters — Sun, 23 May 2021 23:56:40 -0400

As an old bastard, I would say,

"Okay, LT, just thought I'd mention it...sense of duty and all that nonsense. It really is no big deal and I am sure the troops you will be leading someday into combat will make note of your disconcerting tendencies and come up with a way to rectify them. After all, they have your back. Have a thoughtful day, Sir."

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made May 28 at 2021 2:04 PM

MAJ Phil Bundy — Fri, 28 May 2021 14:04:26 -0400

I'd see what was going on, and then I'd tell the 2LT to remove his headset. If he gave me any guff, I'd lock him up in parade rest right then and there, and I'd dress him down in front of all to see.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jun 3 at 2021 10:02 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 22:02:31 -0400

The "Butter Bar" has a Commander. Make an appointment to see him. Now, I take it "Junior" was in uniform. If the "LT" was in civilian clothes, what was he violating?

Response by PO2 Walter Savell made Jun 17 at 2021 7:12 PM

PO2 Walter Savell — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:12:19 -0400

My dad (Lcdr )told me that until I got two bars, I should check EVERYTHING with my Chief. I never got two bars but I did get the two chevrons below my crow as a PO2. I was told if I reenlisted that I would go to ROTS as a PO1 until commissioning. I chose not to go to Nam and continued college as a civilian.

Response by SMSgt Cary Baker made Jun 30 at 2021 7:55 PM

SMSgt Cary Baker — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:55:19 -0400

As Senior NCO, if I witnessed a 2LT being unprofessional to anyone, the LT and I will be going behind closed doors and my conversation will be very directive concerning his/her behavior. If a LT is being unprofessional to you - start addressing it with you supervisor.

Response by PO1 Chad Alcock made Jul 6 at 2021 2:03 PM

PO1 Chad Alcock — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 14:03:48 -0400

I was fairly fresh to my Command in Lemoore, and a new Navy PO3 to boot, when an E5 and an E6 from another work center but housed in the same shop as i was, started going at each other in the middle of the shop in front of everyone. but at this time I had approximately 7 years of service prior, with 6+ in the Army. I asked both Petty Officers to accompany me to the "break room" and proceeded to explain to them that was not the way to act in front of subordinates. They had put on quite a show. My reaction to, and how I handled the situation, later went on my eval.

Also while in "A" school, I attended the Navy ball at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola. I don't recall how I ended up in a conversation with a Marine Colonel but I pointed to a missing button on his shirt in his mess dress uniform and informed him of it. He checked to see if it was still there and rebuttoned it exclaiming that he was glad that it was still there because the damned things were expensive. Should have seen the faces on the other junior enlisted. They were all amazed that I would dare to correct an officer. If an officer, or anyone in a leadership position, cannot stand to be corrected by those they "lead", they should not be in the position.

Another time, fresh out of the Army and on my way home, I stopped at my brother's place in Corvallis where he was attending ROTC. He happened to be having a party that was all ROTC cadets. Most of them took the time to talk to me to ask how they could succeed in the military. I explained to listen to you enlisted folk, they are going to be the ones to teach you how to do your job.

Response by LTJG Danny Boncich made Jul 6 at 2021 4:50 PM

LTJG Danny Boncich — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:50:22 -0400

Ok, so this story is *a lot* more egregious than headphones in the commissary, but it's still a great story:

A classmate of mine (sadly) was a Division Officer on the carrier with me. I'm intentionally going to leave out details about the ship and his name, only out of concern for his family. I did not actually witness this, but all the different accounts that I heard about the incedent were nearly identical; so, I believe it to be true.
So, one sunny afternoon, ENS "Entitled" came across a E-2 in the hangar bay who was not wearing a hard hat. Instead of kindly reminding the young man about safety protocols, ENS Entitled decided to verbally set him on fire. Very loudly. In full view and earshot of the entire hangar bay. A Master Chief witnessed it from the other side of the hanger, then broke the sound barrier to intercept ENS Entitled and proceed to "surgically create a new bodily orifice" for him. When ENS Entitled tried to pull rank, the Master Chief exhibited extraordinary restraint and walked away. Within the hour, ENS Entitled was summoned by the XO. XO significantly expanded the new orifice that Master Chief had started, and then he took his division away. They still let him stand watch, but only as conning officer; he had no chance of making OOD after that. I haven't heard from him since (and don't want to).

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Jul 10 at 2021 1:48 PM

1LT Howard Foss — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 13:48:39 -0400

here goes.
fort ord summer 1968. i was the g-4 facilities officer and capt. big john (6'-4",ss ,bs, cib, wings, two tours) were monitoring the reserve training at camp roberts.
we decide to go to the officers club for lunch (wooden building with ac)
so in comes this 2nd lt ( 5'-5", 40 lbs overweight) with this drill instructors hat on with a gold bar in the middle of his hat, a big ass green belt with this huge belt buckle, bloused pants, and wait for this, a swagger stick that would make monty jealous.
big john ,"what kind of a clown outfit do you have on?"
" you will unblouse your pants, unless you are going to jump today, secure a baseball cap, like the rest of us, get rid of that god awful belt and buckle, and wait for this, if i see you on this base with swagger stick again, i will stuff it up your ass sideways"
true story. fast howard

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jul 10 at 2021 11:13 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 23:13:50 -0400

In any case, the recommended procedure is as follows:
1. Obtain evidence of the infraction. A photo is good; most cell phones have a camera. Motion video is best, but in this specific case a photo will work
2. Politely inquire the LT's unit, unless you know what it is; in that case, confirm it ("Are you in the...?")
3. Identify the infraction; do it quietly and if the LT acknowledges and corrects (or maybe even just acknowledges) end of story
4. If LT's response isn't professional or the LT refuses to correct, get the heak away and proceed to...
5. Proceed to LT's unit (recommend the Shirt or A1), show documented evidence, ask if this meets their standards (no name-calling, no finger-pointing, keep it professional)

Response by SP5 John Clark made Jul 22 at 2021 12:35 AM

SP5 John Clark — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 00:35:40 -0400

1968 Americal Division Chinook company.A major was transferred from another Chinook company to our company to become our new Commander. I heard him say He was going to get another R&R even though he had one at his previous company. ( only 1 R&R per year tour) I contacted a NCO at the division R&R office, they canceled his not authorized R&R. I later heard him say someone does not like him !!

Response by SGT John Ball made Jul 29 at 2021 3:55 PM

SGT John Ball — Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:55:46 -0400

I once corrected a young 2nd LT. For having his hat on sideways and his shirt unbuttoned. Stated to him about AR 670-1 and how dare me as a JR. NCO correct him on his wear of the uniform and I did let him know about general military authority and he just rolled his eyes and finally said to me, SERGEANT!! It's the end of the duty day so who really cares. The wayward LT. Wanted to know who my commander was so I told him and where my unit was too. I was called into the commanders office the next morning with the First Sergeant, Captain, CSM, LTC, and the wayward LT. I explained to my command as to what occurred the day before and the LT said that's how it happened. Needless to say, I thought my LTC and CSM were going to have a stroke. My COC thanked me for a job well down and said that will be all Sergeant and close the door on your way out. I did see the LT try to stand up, but my BC told him, NO, YOU WILL STAY, and we will have a discussion as to why AR 670-1 applies to everyone 24/7. Needless to say, that LT got his ass handed to him by my COC! They were pissed off and passed news of the incident to his COC! That LT didn't have a good day. Yes, I was only an E-5 (P), but was always willing to call out uniform violations. I made an on the spot correction on our Division CSM, but he would walk around jacked up at times just to see who would correct him and I got a 4 day pass out of the deal. Another time, I spotted a LTC hurry out of a building without his hat on and I respectfully reminded her she was out of uniform because she didn't have her hat on. She was embarrassed, but thanked me for stopping her and got another 4 day pass out of the deal. So, new LT's are not above being corrected by any rank.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Aug 7 at 2021 2:21 PM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 14:21:18 -0400

With respect if possible find an Ofgicer of higher rank to handle it. If not note name and unit take a pic for evidence and go see their CSM

Response by Capt Joseph Olson made Aug 17 at 2021 10:46 PM

Capt Joseph Olson — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 22:46:46 -0400

Once upon a time, I watched two fighter pilot First Lieutenants brace and ream a buck sergeant (dates my service, yes?) for failing to salute them on the walkway into the BX.
When they finished. I said in my quiet command voice, learned from my O-6 father, "Lieutenants. A moment please."
After the turned and observed my silver RR tracks. I said "where are your covers?" As expected, the leader responded "we are pilots and do not wear them on the flight line". I said "Correct but have you lost your way?" The answer was "What Sir." I then pointed out that the BX was a 1/2 mile from the flight line. And inquired how they were going to get there coverless. Both responded "Buy a new one, Sir." I said "Good plan. Don't forget your rank insignia." Then after a two count, I said "There's more."

I then pointed out a unforgivable lack of situational awareness for an officer. "Are you aware that it's mid-december, the sergeant was carrying 2 bags of obvious Christmas decorations, and his wife was next to him carrying a small infant." When they said "No, Sir" I remarked ... so . . . you would miss a "Flogger" [MIG 23] coming out of the sun too. No response to that. So I dismissed them.

I was a JAG officer (line in the AF) and expected to get some chaff but silence ruled.

Response by PO2 Stephen Brownell made Aug 20 at 2021 3:50 PM

PO2 Stephen Brownell — Fri, 20 Aug 2021 15:50:55 -0400

I would report it to his command and if that don't work I would go old school ?

Response by MSgt James Slawson made Aug 27 at 2021 12:25 PM

MSgt James Slawson — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 12:25:51 -0400

As with the E-2, unprofessional is unprofessional no matter what. Ask to meet with the 2LT and remind him or her of their role and how they are currently being looked at as being. A good Officer would respect the meeting and take notes to be a better leader to produce better followers.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Sep 5 at 2021 2:25 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 14:25:30 -0400

Every now and then I had to let an officer know he was an officer and gentlemen by an act of Congress and that I respected the rank on his collar but any other respect he or she had to EARN.

Response by 1SG Scott Heise made Nov 7 at 2021 7:21 PM

1SG Scott Heise — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 19:21:55 -0500

I provide my ID and remind/inform the lieutenant of the regulation or policy that governs headsets (presumably 670-1 and post policy), and request (under general authority) that they(?) comply with the appropriate policy. Should they fail to comply, or become belligerent, I would offer to allow the MPs to address the issue and that they could work out the finer points of selective compliance with their chain of command - a COA that is not likely to appeal to the lieutenant.

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Nov 13 at 2021 10:44 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 10:44:03 -0500

Remember that everybody has a boss.
Use the chain of command to get this Lt's attention

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2021 1:27 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:27:44 -0500

I would remind the 2LT to correct his infraction. If he still refused or was rude, I would take his name and unit. I would call his first line supervisor and apprise him of the situation. No matter what, you keep it professional and don't take the low road. ***Story time. I was eating in the DFAC at BIAP (US air base in Baghdad) when I notice a SGM with his name tags switched. He was siting with 4 other SGMs. None of them said anything to him. I was a LTC at the time. I went up to him, pulled him aside and told him his buddies were messing with him because they weren't telling him his name tapes were reversed. He thanked me, switched his name tapes, and proceeded to chew out his 4 friends for not noticing. ****Bottom line. Be professional and be persistent. When a standard is not enforced, it is no longer the standard.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 20 at 2021 8:12 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:12:21 -0500

As a specialist I would take a photo, and then ask him where he bought them, to disarm him, then ask him what unit he was in. Then forward the picture to his CSM.

As a captain I would take the photo, then I would explain to him that he is in fact subject to AR 670-1, and that he will remove the items immediately. I would then ask for his unit and forward a complaint to his CO, with said picture.

if he refused to remove them and was flip about it or refused to give unit information, I would call the MP's and ask them to detain said officer for refusing a lawful order, failure to obey order or regulation, and disrespect to a superior commissioned officer.

I feel like officers, adn NCO's, always get away with shit, and everyone always comes down on the enlisted. If you really want to set an example you officers would quit covering for each other and start hanging people out to dry.

You want to inspire your men, hold officers to a higher standard than the enlisted are held.

Response by Sgt C S made Nov 20 at 2021 11:18 PM

Sgt C S — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 23:18:51 -0500

I'd continue with, " All due respect, the regulations are for all of us who serve." As an out ranking officer, depending on just how rude the Lt's response was, I'd start out the same way, then tell the lieutenant they'll have more success in their career if they check that attitude at the door.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Nov 21 at 2021 5:24 PM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 17:24:27 -0500

Note his Name and unit and go to his First Sergeant.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Nov 22 at 2021 12:00 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 12:00:20 -0500

Headset? What the hell's going on? Ignore the asshole and as soon as possible thank the post commander for lifting the headset restriction like 2LT Asswipe told you. Then every time you have to salute this jerk...smile.

Response by BG Peter Palmer made Nov 22 at 2021 3:01 PM

BG Peter Palmer — Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:01:09 -0500

As a former E2 at the end of Vietnam war and later as a 2LT in mid 70's I think it is important that both groups (E2s and 2LTs) are young and still learning. Their brain regions that regulate this kind of behavior is also growing at this time. From a neuroscience perspective their frontal lobes for rational decision making may not be fully developed and based on their upbringing, training and education they may not make the right decisions or come across correctly for the given situation. Also their Limbic system (emotional brains) ware fully developed and can both go over active when they perceive some kind of improper slight or action. Frontal Lobes help regulate the response but again may not be fully developed for either group. So taking deep breaths, or count to 10 before you act or respond is a good technique too. One key aspect of the Army is we assign senior enlisted as Plt Sgts (whose frontal lobes based on age and training is probably fully developed) to not only serve in that role but also mentor the new butter bar on what he/she should be doing and saying. Both groups make mistakes and need to learn from them. So as a former E2 I now figure I was a training aide from my LTs so they could learn from their mistakes and hopefully become better commanders later on. You need to always respect the chain of command as long as what they are doing is legal and morally correct even if they aren't doing in the most appropriate way. Then work the NCO's to let them help mentor the LTs. 1SGs and Company commanders of course play in this role as well.

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Nov 23 at 2021 6:18 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 18:18:33 -0500

Apply the reward his parents failed to give him. Take him over my knee and spank him.Today's military is grossly deficient in discipline.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Nov 25 at 2021 9:29 AM

SSG Eric Blue — Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:29:16 -0500

I'd remind him or her that as an officer in our military, they should be upholding the standard for these young troops they intend to lead. You know, the whole thing about "if you can't do and show the right thing here at home station, how do you expect the troops to do and show the right thing when deployed" discussion. Of course with technology now, it's much easier to put that 2LT on blast. So THAT is probably what I would ALSO do.

Response by PO1 Mark Dozier made Nov 25 at 2021 11:23 PM

PO1 Mark Dozier — Thu, 25 Nov 2021 23:23:48 -0500

At that point I ask his name and unit. Then I leave, call the MASTER CHIEF of the command and put it right to C.O. of the unit. None of the panty waisted crap following and hoping to run into someone senior. My old chief would have my butt if I slacked off good disciple.

Response by SSG Greg Jetter made Nov 26 at 2021 3:51 PM

SSG Greg Jetter — Fri, 26 Nov 2021 15:51:49 -0500

All you need to do is record his name and rank , ask to see the post SGM and pass it on to him or her , by days end the LT will be standing before the base commander or his CO explaining why he is a shit head. simple as that . OR has the Army changed so much ? When I was in as a NCO I was taught that we had to train young officers , have things changes so much now ?

Response by SGM Willie Sanderson made Nov 26 at 2021 11:04 PM

SGM Willie Sanderson — Fri, 26 Nov 2021 23:04:04 -0500

Look at his rank, name plate and unit insignia. You now have all the information you need to report hi to his unit of assignment. Even though you don't have the first name you have enough. Any senior NCO you can find should be more than happy to check out the situation and get it corrected. Unless you are a Senior NCO just respectfully notify the lieutenant of the observation and find that NCO or Senior Officer and give it to them. If they are a good leader they will correct this for you and thank you for the observation. Don't push the situation yourself. Tread lightly but remember it is your responsibility to report this to your chain of Command immediately.

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Nov 26 at 2021 11:56 PM

SSG Robert Velasco — Fri, 26 Nov 2021 23:56:37 -0500

If a green butter bar latches onto your hide,and you don't submit, you're toast! He has no idea about the consequences and neither do you of what is allowable! Dont make eye contact and be professional as a soldier should be. Stand straight and don't make any gestures but be sure to only answer a question when asked in the quickest shortest manner possible. Maybe seeing you're willing to take a verbal beating without trembling will gain traction and he'll leave. Never try to explain yourself because it's not in his interest to allow you!

Response by SPC Andrew Toombs made Nov 27 at 2021 5:27 AM

SPC Andrew Toombs — Sat, 27 Nov 2021 05:27:47 -0500

Working in Communications and knowing that LT usually means L (OS) T ... The given the scenario, I would hinder/obstruct him in such ways that it looks accidental and when he opens his Mouth to say a disrespectful remark (let it not be Rap Music he is listening to). I would state, "Sir, unless that is an online course you are reviewing because you were too busy, I high recommend you take time off and re-evaluate your self centrist circumstances you just put yourself in. Every Field officer is the biggest liability on the war field, and forbid you are polluting your mind with RAP, "(AS)" Corrupt RAP is (CRAP), Try a different Operating System, (saying the sound "Oooh, Sooo") OS, you not so LOST. (If it is a West Point Grad), Sir, it makes no point to be the example you are, the concern liabilities within your Demonstrated Representation is like, What's the Point? Not even a Course Compass could save you from the Reprimand you so well deserve. So here is the Real Acronym of LOST, Lost On Stupid Thoughts, .. so you say, "Liability of Stupid Thoughts? Need help? You need us more than we really need you, is there a translation error? " ...

Response by SSG James Stodola made Nov 29 at 2021 10:19 AM

SSG James Stodola — Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:19:53 -0500

Although this should be an easy answer, it is not. My first urge would be to stifle my laughter at this arrogant little kid, as this would accomplish nothing of value. I would politely get his attention and explain my concern to him in the most respectful manner possible, while trying to mentally get him name. If he blew me off with what was stated in the question, I would then thank him for his time and move on. I would then take this to my chain and start the climb until I found someone who cared about this. I was in for 34 years and saw so many individuals who really should not have been in but sadly they somehow made it. I was not an officer, I have respect for them and the job they do, but would not want to be one. I have seen many like this with this type of attitude, and sadly many in the senior NCO ranks as well. My experiences with 2nd Lt's is much like; I would listen to their comments, orders, or whatever, thank them and then go do my job, my way, the way that works correctly, not what this untrained, inexperienced little kid told me how to do it. I have the pleasure of seeing CSM's flat out ignore them on many occasion with great delight. Not the right thing for the CSM to do but we all know how those pesky CSM's can be. I don't have an answer as to why they are like this other than they must be getting this air of superiority from the Officer training schools, is my only guess here. I have worked with and for officers that I would follow without question into hell and back, and with those whom I would almost vomit trying to listen to. You get all kinds in the big world of the military and you have to learn early on how to deal with them or just ignore it and move on. The one thing you must always remember is Be polite, Be respectful, and Be professional in dealing with these types, that way you will always come out of the encounter the bigger man.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2021 10:29 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:29:58 -0500

I've had to correct a Major at a civilian/Federal training facility. He was in uniform, I was not. I identified myself, cited the somewhat blatant uniform issue. He made a lot of excuses, I stopped it right there and offered corrective actions. I later heard from a friend in his class that some asshole Colonel was giving him shit about his uniform. Even field grades can be unprofessional.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Dec 1 at 2021 9:54 AM

SSG Rick Miller — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 09:54:13 -0500

How would I react to a 2LT being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement? Not very well I'm afraid. Once I made the on the spot correction, and the butter bar just blew me off, I would then remind said butter bar that he/she was setting a piss poor example of a soldier. Then I'd walk away, so as not to lose military bearing with an arrogant ass. Only once have I ever lost it with a 2LT, and that was when he told me, and I quote, "If NCOs were as smart as officers, then they'd be commissioned, too." It took a minute to realize this little shit was serious, and that's when I lost it. My response was "We are called the backbone of the Army for a damned good reason, and that reason is to keep our troops alive when dealing with an asshole like you. If NCOs were as stupid as 2LTs, then the casualty rates would be ten times higher" Got one of the most thorough and deserved ass chewings of my life for that one starting with the 1SG, then the Company CDR, then the SGM, then the BN Commander. Each one ended with that was completely out of character for you, and it better never happen again. I was lucky I didn't get NJP at minimum. It wasn't too long after the LT in question was "strongly encouraged" to resign his commission and find alternate employment.

Response by CW2 Gale Dorman made Dec 3 at 2021 5:44 PM

CW2 Gale Dorman — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:44:11 -0500

The first thing to remember is who you are. That sounds strange but when you address anyone of a higher rank, it is best to approach them never raising your voice, but possibly after you have saluted them say something like excuse me Sir, he or she will most likely respond. With their response you can judge what you should say next! If you find a uniform deficiency, or something that may possibly embarrass the individual, look at their name tag. You are going to use their name to your advantage! As an example: CPT, Staff Sargent etc., their name used, I have seen you before and you are very attune to Army Regulations. Others are looking at you for how they wear their uniforms. We are all professionals are we not? They will give you a quizzical look and may be ask what is up. This is where you can say something like can make a comment to you without upsetting you? Or Would you like to know something is wrong with your uniform? If they say sure, you can say we all have made minor mistakes but example " Your rank is upside down, would you like me to fix that" and if you can go ahead and fix it. If you cannot then they will probably tell you "Thank Your" and go to a tailor or whatever needed to be fixed and get it fixed. If they do not have time to talk with you, then you can casually say your rank is upside down, but just keep on walking, do not yell, do not make a lot out of it! WHY? You tried, You, were Professional, they have supervisors who will pounce on them and not be so kind as you were. The upside is if you plan to stay in the service, that person you tried to help may be your next CSM, Platoon Sgt, your commander, your Chief Warrant Officer! They will remember a voice that gave them a chance to fix an issue, who took time to help another professional. If that individual in the future is your evaluator and decided on whether you get a promotion or not ..... it goes on. As an Enlisted, Private to SFC, then became a Warrant Officer - Chief Warrant Officer. I always made an extra effort to salute those who outrank me according to my situation, I'm I in a professional school, In the Pentagon, I think you get the idea. If the mood of your organization makes it know that you are not to salute then at specific times or specific people then you do not have to salute as this may be combat situations, war games etc. Your series of rank may also hold a special value within a select group. You as a private do not have to salute CSM, but sometimes a good handshake is really appreciated and that personal acknowledgement "Good Morning CSM" it can bring a smile, Check Regulations for changes. Never, even when you are in a leadership position, yell at someone. Exceptions are very rare, but be were what you seed you feed and what you feed and come to haunt you another day! Good Luck!

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Dec 19 at 2021 11:47 AM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:47:58 -0500

An O-1? Give the 2LT enough rope to strangle his career. I never hesitated to do that no matter the rank. The highest one I toppled like that was an O-6.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Dec 19 at 2021 2:47 PM

SPC Julio R. — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 14:47:48 -0500

I HATED CHEESE DCKIN' BUTTER BARS THAT THOUGHT THEIR DOODOO DIDN'T STINK AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TACTFULLY TELL THEM WHERE TO STICK THEIR PEDESTAL ATTITUDE. I WASN'T A SPC 4 3 TIMES FOR NO REASON OR WAS IT 4 I FORGET. THERE ARE JUST TIMES WERE YOU HAVE TO JUMP ON THAT GRENADE FOR THE SANITY OF THE REST OF THE PLATOON OR SQUAD. YOUR RANK MEANT NOTHING TO ME SO AS LONG AS YOU TREATED US WITH RESPECT AND MADE SURE WE TOOK CARE OF YOU AND YOU THE SAME. I HAD NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THE RANK BUT NOT THE INDIVIDUAL DEPENDING ON HOW THEY CARRIED THEMSELVES. YOU COULD TELL WHO THE ONES THAT THEIR WIVES RAN ALL OVER THEM WERE BECAUSE THEY WOULD TAKE IT OUT ON US OR TALK TO US THE WAY THEY WISHED THEY COULD TALK TO THEIR SPOUSE OR PARTNER. OR THE ONES THAT HAD THEIR EGOS FAR UP THEIR BEHIND. WE ALL PUT ON THE UNIFORM ONE LET AT A TIME MAYBE 2 IF YOU ARE SITTING DOWN. SO DON'T CAME AT ME SIDEWAYS EXPECTING RESPECT IT IS EARNED. I HAD ONE NEW BOOTY BUTTER BAR THAT DIDN'T LIKE HOW I SOLDIERED HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THT DIDN'T TAKE A LIKING TO MY 8 PLUS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OVER HIM AND HOW I BUILT UP A REPOR WITH THE NCOs THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE, I MEAN HE WAS A MONTH IN AND HE HAD HIS RICH PREP SCHOOLBOY ATTITUDE WITH HIM STILL. REGARDLESS THEY MOVED HIM FROM OUR PLATOON BUT IT DIDN'T MATTER HE STILL RAN HIS MOUTH AND I PROCEEDED TO RUN IT RIGHT BACK CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED, BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE I HELD MY COMPOSURE EVERY TIME WHILE HE LOST IT AND MADE SURE HE LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT HIS RANK WAS AND WHAT MINE WAS. AT THE END OF THE DAY ALL HE DID WAS BARK, IF HE WOULD HAVE PURSUED THE PAPERWORK ATTACK THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SORRY FOR I HAD WITNESS AFTER WITNESS THAT COULD BACK MY STORY UP AND MADE SURE HE HAS POINTED A FINGER TOO. IT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT A BLACK EYE TO THE UNIT SO MUMS THE WORD.
I LEFT THE SERVICE WITH MY BACKBONE IN TACT BECAUSE I WAS A TACTFUL SOLDIER WHEN IT CAME TO RESPONDING TO UNPROFSSIONAL SOLDIER(S), NCOs AND or OFFICERS.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 19 at 2021 7:34 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 19:34:31 -0500

If I was the company commander I would give him a good ass chewing because you can't build esprit de corps, trust, and loyalty acting like an asshole. I would talk tell the PLSGT to report any deficiencies of the 2LT as time progresses. As leaders we need to take care of our soldiers and love them.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 2 at 2022 10:46 PM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 22:46:13 -0500

I think that every enlisted soldier has had problems with butter bars. I was in for only 2 years but had to deal with 2 of these assholes. but I have had good ones too. In Nam the bad one got good when he realised that he needed to work together with the rest of the squad. After returning to the states I had a real asshole. The only way to remedy the problem was to ETS, which I did. Now no more asshole butterbars in my life. I'm glad to have served But the military life wasn't for me.

Response by Sgt Eric Akey made Jan 7 at 2022 8:14 AM

Sgt Eric Akey — Fri, 07 Jan 2022 08:14:44 -0500

Obliviously I can assume every answer would be lock his ass up and on.....but at same time even salty SGTMAJ are required to render salutes to the boots. Therefore the correct action depending on your rank, to grab your superior and allow the chain of command to handle it. 1st Sgt was my last line of defense before captain so I'd grab a witness Marine and get a plan. This can really bite you in ass depending on chain of command attitude at higher levels.

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Jan 30 at 2022 11:02 PM

SPC John Tacetta — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 23:02:50 -0500

As enlisted, just roll with it. That's certainly above my pay grade.

True story.

We got a brand-new LT from West Point who really thought he was the cat's meow. Jump wings, Ranger Tab and an ego to match, all in a heavy infantry unit.

We were on maneuvers one day and the command track I was driving ended up on the wrong side of a firing range (seems he misread the map). Now, as drivers, we had been given very specific orders from-on-high not to cross any ranges and this one was pocked with craters that had to have been 30 feet across: some really big stuff was being dropped and the range was so chewed up that you couldn't cross without going in and out of the craters. The LT "instructed" me to cross the range in order to get into position in a timely fashion. I had a bit a "discussion" with the LT about the standing orders, but after some back and forth he became exasperated and said "I'm giving you a Direct Order to cross the range." Now this was the first and only time I ever got a Direct Order, but you know: Direct Order. Yes Sir!

Needless to say, it was a bumpy ride: my squad mates were getting bounced around like ping pong balls and I was fully expecting to run over some UXO at any minute. Well, about halfway across, I got a call over the intercom that they thought the LT was dead. Turned out the command hatch had let go and slapped the LT down for the count. When I got to the LT he was babbling incoherently, so those helmets do save lives afterall. We radioed for assistance, but had to continue across before we could get to the Medevac. So, I guess there is a little bit of justice in the world.

Ps.: I was threatened with an Art15 for crossing the range, but my squad mates confirmed the Direct Order and I was promptly sent on my way. Not sure what happened to the LT with regard to discipline, but he always showed me a little respect afterwards.

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Feb 1 at 2022 4:29 PM

LCDR Jerry Maurer — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 16:29:07 -0500

Does there exist an O-1 in any service that does not possess a strong sense of entitlement?

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2022 7:08 PM

1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 19:08:37 -0500

Diving into semantics just to help frame a mindset: I recommend responding, not reacting.

Responding and following up with tact portrays the good order and discipline that our military desires, requires, and should portray.

We know that the 2LT is just beginning their military service journey, and it’s up to their team (whatever unit/service/wingman etc.) to help sharpen them for success.

If I was tactfully/professionally addressed with a correction to be made, I owe thanks to that person to have the courage and the energy to reach out to me.

A similar question was asked during our First Sergeant symposium (prior-E here). You do what’s right with moxie you have.

It’s important how you respond - you may have other junior members watching nearby learning firsthand how business should be taken care of.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2022 9:58 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:58:39 -0500

I hunt down his parents-l and kneecap both of them for doing such a terrible job raising the brat. Then I find a way to become his senior rater. That first OER counseling goes something like this: “Son, part of my job is to protect the Army against detritus like you.”

Back in the real world, have a word with his 1SG. He’s got the commander’s ear. Unless the commander is similarly brain dead, he’ll crush the maggot… and if he’s any good, he will work with the PSG to try and salvage the Army’s investment by mentoring the brat into something resembling a useful human being.

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Feb 10 at 2022 9:18 PM

SPC Brian Bay — Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:18:05 -0500

He's at the commissary, during off time (on the way home from work I assume) and he's likely decompressing from being the officer's version of a private. Is this fight something that's really worth picking? Even if I were an NCO, getting groceries from the commissary and someone came up to me, I'd likely ask them if they really are that "Person" (because, pronouns) that they feel the need to be on a vigilant lookout for even the tiniest of transgressions on a constant basis? Are they the "spot-check sniper" looking for that star-spangled-awesome combat commissary engagement where they brought down another soldier? Perhaps they should create a proficiency badge, composed out of a rendition of AR 308-67 with the oak leaf wreath for all of these garrison ninjas out there.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2022 5:57 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:57:23 -0500

Maintain your professionalism and reiterate to the 2LT that he is outside of the regulation. I recall a random OCP in-ranks hospital inspection I was conducting in Germany. I inspected an entire platoon before arriving at the last troop. As I was inspecting the soldier, he asked me a question. He said, "Sergeant Major, were you aware that your name tag is upside down"? Talk about embarrassment. This soldier noticed an infraction with my uniform that 25 soldiers before him missed. I thanked him by giving him the rest of the day off. He was my driver. Afterward, I did what 1SG Case did. I immediately got my name tags sewn on to avoid embarrassment again. The world we live in is full of people who grew up with little to no home training. They were bullies, arrogant, stuck-up, entitled, and a**holes before they joined the service and they brought that attitude with them. It takes time to change the mindset of some people to conform to thoughts and standards that are greater than them. The 2LT is no exception. He needs to be brought down a notch and humbled. A slice of humble pie will serve him well. Just remember to remain calm, cool, collected, and professional.

Response by SPC Alex Snow made Feb 16 at 2022 2:32 PM

SPC Alex Snow — Wed, 16 Feb 2022 14:32:07 -0500

Open door policy. You tell your chain you are going to use it. You speak with the commander and tell them you tried respectfully to correct the deficiency and you believe you were treated with disdain and disrespect for doing so. Then let it go.

Response by GySgt Richard Madrid made Feb 18 at 2022 6:43 PM

GySgt Richard Madrid — Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:43:31 -0500

Well being the Grumpy Gunny that I am, I would take the boot Lt aside and square him away.if that didn’t work we would be talking to the Company CO. Before the Boot got embarrassed

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made Feb 19 at 2022 7:04 AM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 07:04:28 -0500

With great power comes great responsibility...I learned early on how to get entitled Lt's to bend to my will through use of those of higher rank that I knew. Point out that I was a platoon sergeant that had an in with the Bn/Bde/Post CSM/CO usually was enough to get them to un×#+* themselves

Response by SPC Richard Rauenhorst made Feb 20 at 2022 9:47 AM

SPC Richard Rauenhorst — Sun, 20 Feb 2022 09:47:23 -0500

I am a gentleman and it did not take an act of congress. I would politely mention something to him.
Given his response I would do what our group did in Vietnam, take the situation to his superior officer.
Everyone has a superior.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2022 1:32 AM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Feb 2022 01:32:02 -0500

I personally don’t understand the obsession with trying to police earpeaces thst male driving safer and talking on the phone less obnoxious…BUT…entitlement isn’t a rank problem. It’s a parenting problem.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2022 5:34 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 17:34:30 -0400

Politely tell them they should repeat CST

Response by SSG Kenneth Nichols made Mar 13 at 2022 6:54 PM

SSG Kenneth Nichols — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:54:26 -0400

I remember General Powell telling about the time he saw a 2lt had a PVT keeping saluting him because he failed to. General Powell reminded the Lt that a salute has two parts. It must be returned.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2022 3:58 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:58:38 -0400

Unless I'm just coming off duty, or am on a lunch break, I'll be doing my shopping in civvies. I'm there to shop, not to muster. But this young LT is presumably in uniform, representing his unit by the patch on his sleeve, and so on. I pull out my ID, holding a thumb over my name (but *not* my rank).

"The rules apply to *all* of us, Lieutenant, every time we put on that uniform. Let's set the example, all right?" And unless he continues to make an issue of it, I'll just nod and let him square himself away, and leave it at that.

Response by SSG(P) D. Wright Downs made Mar 14 at 2022 7:42 PM

SSG(P) D. Wright Downs — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:42:10 -0400

I would tell them they are probably correct as I have been around a long time and have a hard time keeping up with all the new changes, find out where they work and inquire about how they like their duty and how is the Army treating them so far? Then, when I am having coffee with the BN CSM (or the Command’s or Post’s depending where I worked) I’d bring up the subject of the new troops and get him on the subject. I’d tell him of the incident and let him take care of it.
I found that using the ear of the of the most senior person you have available, in a friendly manner, is ver effective. Do it over a regular cup of coffee and it is just discussing business. I made it a point of being invited to having coffee with my senior enlisted folks up the hall, over in the command building, or wherever they were. Being on Special Staff or letting them know I was eager to learn from them was always a boon for me.
I did on a couple of occasions made a ruffel for an over zealous 2LT and then interviewed him regarding his serious faux pas when I heard he had really dissed me…now that was fun. I tried to be professional and to treat all others professionally. I felt that it was also up to the 2Lts to learn to treat their NCPs with respect, too. We were the ones who were there to guide them.

Response by MSG Scott Bradley made Mar 15 at 2022 11:05 AM

MSG Scott Bradley — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:05:47 -0400

If the 2LT was not in my command, as a Master Sergeant I would not engage with the 2LT. As a CSM that would be a different conversation. I do not see the need to be a Karen every time you step out of the door - stay in your lane, If it is not your lane, then refocus your energy.

Response by SPC Timothy Spangler made Mar 15 at 2022 4:58 PM

SPC Timothy Spangler — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:58:44 -0400

I would simply find out what unit he was in, go to his CO, and report him. If that didn't work out, I would proceed to go further up the chain of command. Even if that means contacting my Congressman to investigate why my report is being dismissed.

Response by SSG Robert Burton made Mar 16 at 2022 2:20 AM

SSG Robert Burton — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 02:20:12 -0400

I was a 19D, 19K30 M1A2 Heavy. Through my 10 years I spent in the Army I was either on the Company Commander or Executive officers tank. With that being said a butterball or 1st LT always had to have their ass handed to them one-way or another. Don't get me wrong I've several LT's that were awesome and cool and knew what they were doing. I've had no issues of setting there ass straight. Back when I was in the Army 83-93 2/11th ACR, 3/67 Armor, 3/66 Armor and 3/66 2nd armor division (FWD) DS/DS. 2nd or 1st LT looked up to the E5 and E6's. That was a whole different army back then. Remember this sooner or later you'll probably end up in war together. You know what I mean. War is hell and it would be on his ass if he didn't listen to what your trying to teach his dumb ass or let him take one in the back.

Response by SSG Archie Martinez made Mar 17 at 2022 12:27 PM

SSG Archie Martinez — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:27:44 -0400

Accountability at times requires tough love as they say. Soldiers (regardless of enlisted/officer) are subject to this high standard of accountability and therefore believe locating this individuals chain of command to alert them of such an instance would be appropriate.

Response by SP5 Norman Hoffman made Mar 17 at 2022 4:02 PM

SP5 Norman Hoffman — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:02:06 -0400

When faced with a situation in basic training For lock and load a recruit jumped the trigger and nailed my thumb. My sergeant made me go to 2nd lieutenant and get permission to go to hospital to get my thumb pinned. Lt. asked me to wait till tomorrow and I cursed him out, due to the pain and he reluctantly acceded to my request.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Mar 17 at 2022 5:34 PM

MAJ Glenn Lasater — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 17:34:30 -0400

Since I would've been senior to the young Lieutenant, I'd simply and quietly direct him/her to remove the headphones. I'd then explain why such behaviour is unacceptable and emphasize that, as a leader, he/she is responsible to set the example and therefore is held to a higher standard.

Response by LTC Patrick Mulloney made Mar 17 at 2022 6:22 PM

LTC Patrick Mulloney — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 18:22:29 -0400

Ask the 2LT who his commander is. Also get all his information that you can; full name, unit, PLTN SGT, Fort/military base he is stationed at. If he will not provide any of this information at least get his last name. Remember to write down the time and date of the event, where the event happened and exactly what was said, might also get a picture of him with his headset on with your cell phone. Once the 2TL is finished and he goes to his car copy down his license plate. You can then find out all the info you need to properly report this young officer to his Commander from the MP's.
As a LTC I am sorry you had to go thru this. This 2LT has failed in military bearing and other areas of professional conduct. It is apparent this officer needs to familiarize himself with AR-670-1

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Mar 18 at 2022 4:02 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:02:39 -0400

I wouldn't say a word... If the dumb ass wants to look unprofessional then let him.

Response by SSgt Jamie Godfrey made Mar 18 at 2022 5:57 PM

SSgt Jamie Godfrey — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:57:39 -0400

Politely remind them of policy and bid them a great day! If the 2LT is in my unit, I will refer the matter to an officer in their chain of command regarding the matter and keep smiling

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 18 at 2022 10:59 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:59:46 -0400

Respect his rank, should that person have a higher rank, give that person the respect they're entitled to, then write his or her name down and had it over to your Command, see where it goes, you did your best to bring up the discrepancy, sooner or later a 1st LT, CPT, or a spouse of a Commander will address it to that person or a Retired, so someone will get his or her attention and it wont be Good

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Mar 19 at 2022 11:33 AM

1SG Chad Mcdaniel — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:33:52 -0400

So there I was! It was probably 2017 I'm doing Physical Training, as I'm running down the road on post I see a CPT playing music (using his phone). I can't quote a reg or current policy, but I know at that time you were not allowed to even have your cell phone during Physical Training (III CORPS policy). So I run up beside the CPT is obviouse he's new on post, so I explained the policy. The CPT uses the excuse we are a loud to use head phones etc in the gym etc where I came from etc etc. I restated the policy and just so happened about the same time I'm reiterating the policy my Division Commander happened to be running by so I said I don't make the policy I simply enforce them; however, you could always refer any questions to BG (name left out on purpose) who just so happens to be that man right there. And I just went about my business. Bottom line I made the correction I can't punish the CPT (obviously enlisted have no true authority over an officer) but I did my job.

Response by SGT Christopher Shankle made Mar 19 at 2022 4:09 PM

SGT Christopher Shankle — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:09:31 -0400

It doesn't matter if it's the Chief of Staff. If something is wrong you have every legit reason to correct them. Just be tactful.

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Mar 20 at 2022 8:45 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:45:11 -0400

I would pull him/her aside and have a private discussion about their conduct.

If the Lt. Ignored me, I would address there conduct and their reaction to my corrective action.

Most commanding officers listen to SNCOs, and have their back with dealing with Jr. Officers.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Mar 29 at 2022 2:17 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 14:17:30 -0400

Ask the Lt what unit he is from and approach their command and explain to his or hers CO and 1SG. See how quick the LT's attitude is changed. Chain of Command also includes theirs too. If you cannot get the correct response from the LT, then you follow up with their Chain of Command. No unit wants to feel that their leaders are unapproachable and entitled. You don't want to get into a shouting match. If there is a senior officer around at the moment get their attention and address the issue.

Response by 1SG Danny Vorreyer made Mar 30 at 2022 10:46 AM

1SG Danny Vorreyer — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:46:35 -0400

Its one of things you have to get past. Back in the day, we didn't talk to Officers....Salute and move on. When I left service after 35 years in 2011. LT's seem to be very agressive, self serving and don't have much leadership skills. True leaders get things done by providing direction, resources and followup. Now its get it done....Bye....Those leaders I call Sea Gulls, they do a whole lot of yelling and screaming and steal all your french fries, then in a blink of an eye there gone. They don't provide as above, task, conditions or standards. I think Enlisted in general are absolutely more challenged than years past. The equipment is very technical. The most advanced items in my ground pounding days was a Compass, a simple radio, A1 Rifle, and Rope. Being new as a LT is a stressful time. Screw up's are easy but some get you out. I am not supporting crazy LT's, but I have to follow them to the grave. I may not like them, but there is an Oath. LT's don't have to follow Enlisted. If the LT is smart they will listen but the buck stops with them.

Response by PFC Bryan Pflug made Apr 12 at 2022 4:56 PM

PFC Bryan Pflug — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:56:55 -0400

I would let it go. If he continues this behavior in public it’s only a matter of time before a senior officer sees this and puts him in his place. You did your job and respectfully pointed out the deficiency.

Response by SSgt Mathew Cummings made Apr 12 at 2022 5:06 PM

SSgt Mathew Cummings — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:06:52 -0400

As a Company Guns, Platoon Commander, Platoon Sergeant and even a Sergeant, I took them aside, out of any prying ears or eyes distance, and had a professional direct conversation about the matter. While respectful, I explained how and why their conduct needed to cease. If that didn't work, I talked with their RO or my RO to escalate the matter.

Response by CAPT Jim Murphy made Apr 12 at 2022 5:54 PM

CAPT Jim Murphy — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:54:10 -0400

I’m sorry, but as a retired Navy CAPT, I find these conversations frightening. Maybe it is Army custom, but I don’t remember such pettiness in the Navy. Just saying.

Response by PO1 Robert Wikert made Apr 13 at 2022 7:06 PM

PO1 Robert Wikert — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:06:22 -0400

This story my be a little off subject, but maybe not. I was night crew supervisor as an E-6 on board an A/C Carrier. We had a new crew member as we pulled out for a 6 mos. cruise, an E-8, who decided that our military bearing sucked. A little background, the crew of our shop for the most part had been working together for 3 years, so we were all on a first name basis E-2 to E-6 anyway. He decided he didn't like that and at quarters his first morning informed the crew that Petty Officers were to be addressed that way and E-2 and E-3 would be called Airman so and so. Was he correct, yes, from a statutory standpoint, what he didn't take into account was what he would do to unit morale and cohesion. But I digress, my story has to do with this same E-8, as quality control supervisor one of my tasks was to look at and correct mistakes from the small ships that made up the entourage of the Carrier when they sent us film to process for intelligence purposes. The Navy in their wisdom had sent the small ships some very touchy film, that required very precise cold storage and handling. So, I was tasked by the E-8 to type a letter and send it to the various ships. I did so, and left it on his desk when I went to bed at 6 in the morning, he usually came in around 8. When I came into the lab at 6 in the evening I looked on my desk and found my painstakingly typed letter with a big red indelible circle around a word and scrawled across the letter the words spelled wrong please correct. Just to clarify, this happened before computers so I was typing this by hand with an electric typewriter. Well, first of all, I am an excellent speller and always have been, so although I was certain that the word was spelled correctly I looked it up to be sure and retyped the letter. This time though, I made myself an extra copy. I again left it on his desk, and went to bed. The next morning, again on my desk with a cryptic note, "I told you to correct the spelling" and again the red marker circling the word. Needless to say I would have been very pissed off, had I not made an extra copy. The next morning I left the letter on his desk, along with the dictionary, and the offending word circled in red marker and a note, "Please check this out before destroying my work, I won't type it again." and I signed it, Petty Officer 1st Class Wikert. Never heard another word about it.

Response by SFC Timothy Benson made Apr 14 at 2022 1:46 AM

SFC Timothy Benson — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 01:46:12 -0400

Private, learn to pick your battles. This is about none of your business, As a E2, you got more than your fair share of day to day issues, remember the difference between you and he , you got promoted!

Response by PO2 Eric Lozaga made Apr 14 at 2022 4:18 AM

PO2 Eric Lozaga — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 04:18:15 -0400

If you don't want to cause a scene, and the officer is being a douche, you can always just pull out your phone and take pictures, then send it to his chain of command and post it all over the internet for everyone to see. Anonymously of course.

Response by PO2 Eric Lozaga made Apr 14 at 2022 4:18 AM

PO2 Eric Lozaga — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 04:18:25 -0400

Response by SP5 Christopher Brock made Apr 17 at 2022 11:02 PM

SP5 Christopher Brock — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:02:23 -0400

I simply say excuse sir how can I correct other Soldiers if your doing the wrong thing, and I say it politely but I say a little loudly so others notice, and so far it has worked every time, because nobody wants to be “That Guy”

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Apr 17 at 2022 11:44 PM

PO1 David M Burns — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:44:44 -0400

as a Master Sgt I would demand his name and unit while looking right in the eye as I am sure someone did in ocs!

Response by MAJ Karen Wall made Apr 18 at 2022 11:42 AM

MAJ Karen Wall — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:42:47 -0400

I've been a "butter bar" and was fortunate to not have anyone dislike me! I'm in agreement with the comments here about being polite and professional. AS I moved up in rank, I did start to really notice just how entitled some of the 2LTs (new officers) were and would treat subordinates as lower class people. I eventually reached O-4 and still tried to be kind whenever I had to correct someone. I was raised by an NCO, and it was ingrained into my head that I'm not better than anyone else, no matter the rank, and don't be an idiot just because I have some rank!

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Apr 19 at 2022 12:21 PM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:21:11 -0400

As a young Sgt I had mentioned to a colonel that his drivers whip antenna on the vehicle knocked out our comms line. The colonel proceeded to remove large portions of my posterior loud enough to shake the building. My ops SMG came out and ripped the colonel's driver a new one. Our G-1 LTC came out laughing at me for getting chewed out for doing something right, but not to worry (That LTC would eventually become my commander as a BG years later). Later that day the BG came in and I had just got our comms back up and was working on a task that the BG needed me to do. I heard him ask the SMG to contact the Commander of the 210th FA BDE and transfer the call. I never knew before that moment how much my Corps Arty commander had my young E-5 back, until I felt the building shake again with my Commanding General ripping the colonel's front, rear and all sides on my behalf. I honestly didn't know he knew, but you bet I made sure that general never had to worry about my performance. The moral of the story is, Karma has many ways of correcting Lieutenants who think they are above the rules, and even a crusty old colonel.

Response by SA Michael Moore made Apr 20 at 2022 4:08 PM

SA Michael Moore — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:08:55 -0400

Don't

Response by MSgt Jeffrey Eastep made Apr 21 at 2022 7:05 AM

MSgt Jeffrey Eastep — Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:05:26 -0400

On a related note, have you ever noticed that folks who like to correct others on uniform issues are often wrong themselves because they actually didn’t READ the reg carefully? Here’s a case in point. 2001, Air Force. I’m a MSgt (E-7) wearing the blue pullover sweater. Ever since it came out in 1982, you were required to wear a tie with it since it was a v-neck. FINALLY they relaxed that and you no longer had to. I was in military pay taking care of business when a female E-4 behind the counter rather loudly in front of about 15 people said “where’s your tie, Master Sergeant?”. I replied (equally loudly) “what’s your name and who is your supervisor and may I see them?” Needless to say the room got very quiet as she provided the information and buzzed me into the back office.

Her supervisor said “again??” Apparently she delighted in doing that and had been told repeatedly to focus on her WORK, rather than what customers are wearing. This time it got her a letter of reprimand.

The term didn’t exist back then but apparently she was an early “Karen” lol.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 23 at 2022 6:46 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Sat, 23 Apr 2022 18:46:48 -0400

Don’t worry army karma will catch up to them. It caught up to me and it was not pretty.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2022 10:09 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 May 2022 22:09:19 -0400

Simple, I would first politely tell him that he is out of regs. If he tried the “I’m an officer, and the regs don’t apply” comment, I would then identify myself, place the soldier at the position of attention, get the soldiers unit, and commanding officer, and report his deficiencies for his chain of command to correct. Before executing I would give him the option to correct himself first….. usually they do the right thing.

Additionally, I would give a little mentorship on how the regulation applies to all soldiers.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made May 20 at 2022 9:21 AM

TSgt Chuck Mankin — Fri, 20 May 2022 09:21:52 -0400

Which military are we in? Old school, pre 2020 or today?
Old school rip the damn headset off his head and crush it.
Today's military just smile and apologize for bothering him.

Response by Sgt Joe Savino made Jun 28 at 2022 1:46 AM

Sgt Joe Savino — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 01:46:50 -0400

There is an enlisted answer to this wait at a hair pin turn for that butter bar to drive by. And salute him as he enters a hair pin turn. You will smile think of me as he goes bouncing across a field with his hand up

Response by SFC Donald Lockwood made Jul 3 at 2022 5:21 PM

SFC Donald Lockwood — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 17:21:55 -0400

I agree with 1SG Case, Here is my story; While heading to the mess hall, A 1ST LT was leaving the mess, as we passed I smartly brought up my salute with "ALL THE WAY SIR", he failed to salute. Low and behold was the BN Sergeant Major and He torn that LT a new butt as I turned The LT saluted but SGM kept ragging on him. This all happened in 1969 at my favorite training area, Baumholder!
Love it all men! SFC Lockwood

Response by PO3 Howard Bailey made Jul 10 at 2022 4:01 PM

PO3 Howard Bailey — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 16:01:45 -0400

I was a Navy Sea Bee, and we had one of those. So, one day, behind our tents a dozer dough a hole
and a water Buffalo filled the hole with nice clean dirty water, and we gave him a good
scrubbing. Supprizing how well that worked.

Response by PO2 Joan MacNeill made Jul 11 at 2022 9:02 PM

PO2 Joan MacNeill — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:02:35 -0400

You did your part; you have thicker skin, move on. If he is a chronic jerk, his seniors will pick up on it, and take appropriate measures. Maybe the MPs will snag him instead. I had one of those in one command (an Ensign, same thing). He was borderline, didn't offend often. so I don't know how that eventually affected his career. I'm sure some seniors make a few allowances for youth, and wait and see, with maybe a hint or two of advice. You could compare new officers to freshly hatched fish: not all survive. I like "young 2LT". I've heard of older 2LTs, but mostly in movies or literature.

Just thinking of Academy Midshipmen. At some point they spend time in the summer with real sailors on real ships. That is supposed to be a lesson in real life. Most learn where they stand, and with any sense it carries over to their New Officer times.

One consideration is how public this demonstration is. If he is really noticeable about it, some sort of immediate response, courteously, is in order to set an example for the troops, then probably some kind of seeking therapeutic discipline from above for his derriere.

By the way, was he shopping for queen makeup?

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jul 12 at 2022 1:35 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 13:35:37 -0400

If A 2 LT Was A Problem,
Perhaps A Full Bird Could Explain The Situation To Him.

Response by SPC EOTrees Myles made Jul 17 at 2022 1:31 AM

SPC EOTrees Myles — Sun, 17 Jul 2022 01:31:58 -0400

As we read this we all agree that this 2LT is arrogant but being as professional as you could be, once he's reminded that he's unbecoming as a officer, trust me someone with much higher rank would notice and set this arrogant unprofessional officer at attention and give him the what for and what should he be acting as. Trust me if wouldn't fail that he's not being noticed. I would keep professional and always together, cool as a breeze.

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made Aug 14 at 2022 12:26 PM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:26:51 -0400

You did your job by informing him of the problem.
Break contact and carry on.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Aug 15 at 2022 7:05 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:05:34 -0400

I would do what any good NCO should do in he is wearing headphones. I would draw him by my side and out of sight and sound of others in the Commissary and quote to him with respect and intimidation the army regulation on the wearing of headphones. I would explain why he cannot wear headphones on duty. Furthermore, I would give him a PD class on leadership and setting standards. If all else fails, get his Name Rank and unit and call his command and let them deal with it.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Aug 29 at 2022 2:13 AM

CDR Tom Davy — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:13:48 -0400

I'm a Commander. I'd talk to him privately and educate him on the spot.

Response by SPC Michael Terrell made Aug 29 at 2022 2:21 AM

SPC Michael Terrell — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 02:21:48 -0400

I had more than one of them tell me that rules didn't apply. One was dressed down by a full Colonel, the other by a Two star Army General. You never try to intimidate people in mission critical work.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Aug 29 at 2022 9:57 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:57:21 -0400

WHAT Would I DO?
Somewhat Depends.
But It Helps To Know What Direction He's Looking In,
And Whether Or Not He Can Actually See Who
Smacked His Head With The Base Ball Bat.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Sep 1 at 2022 7:33 PM

SFC John Gilmore — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 19:33:07 -0400

I remember when CSM Gaweda (505th PIR) said "Not every soldier has an officer, but EVERY soldier has a sergeant"...and let's face it... the care and feeding of Lieutenants is NCO business. They may end up as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs one day, so we as NCOs have what I believe is a duty to correct and mentor them even if it isn't easy.
Many years ago (when 81s were at company level) I ended up as an E-5 PSG. We got an Lt just out of IMPOC who knew everything in the world about mortar gunnery if you know what I mean... with an attitude!
We were practicing for the upcoming mortar SUEs and working on laying in the guns. I asked the Lt if he had declinated the Aiming Circle (he hadn't of course) and he gave me a ration of fecal matter for daring to question his competence. When we laid the guns... they were pointing exactly backwards.
Back in garrison the next morning, this young Lt found a 4" wide red line painted around his desk in the CP. When he asked "sergeant, what is this??" I replied "Sir, that is a Lieutenants line, also known as the line of decision". I explained that when he crossed that line into my AO he'd better start listening...or expect a round 2 mils outside the safety fan at the next live fire.
He turned white and sat down.
Years later I ran into him as a LTC, and after salutes were exchanged he shook my hand and told me that the Lt's line was the best thing that ever happened to him.
Never be afraid to correct, never fail to mentor.

Response by SGT Jerry Palmer made Sep 2 at 2022 6:37 AM

SGT Jerry Palmer — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:37:19 -0400

Yes, you follow him when he gets off post an tap on his shoulder then, slap the fire outta his ass, until he becomes compliant. Let me know and I would be glad to help you. The treeline is how we use to do it. He will of course bitch up and tell daddy, But enough times he will stop. Never admit guilt unless they show you proof. That's how you deal. When you go to the field is also a good time. Gets real dark at night time in the woods. Pota-Potties get strapped shut and tipped over, you know how it goes. Many ways to deal.
SGT(RET)

Response by SFC Rick Brooks made Sep 2 at 2022 5:04 PM

SFC Rick Brooks — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 17:04:38 -0400

my thought would be to ask since when do uniform regulations change 670-1 describe proper use and wear of Uninform. I would also ask who he belongs to then approach his CSM with the situation

Response by 1stSgt Tim Martin made Sep 3 at 2022 9:47 PM

1stSgt Tim Martin — Sat, 03 Sep 2022 21:47:58 -0400

I have had this happen as a 1st Sgt. Air Force. I politely and quietly explained to the Lt. that the rules applied uniformly regardless of rank. The person who signed the regulation was a Major General, so if he wanted to discuss the rules with him he was welcome to. I also explained that he was much better off with me providing guidance than to be corrected by one the the Colonels on base, who would certainly not be polite, and with them it WOULD make it back to his Commander. The Lt. saw the light. What I told My NCO's: Polite, Professional, Prepared.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Sep 3 at 2022 10:41 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sat, 03 Sep 2022 22:41:12 -0400

hide his GPS before the next field problem

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Oct 7 at 2022 11:56 AM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:56:54 -0400

It's been sooooo long since I was in uniform. Once I returned from Vietnam (Dec 1968) I was able to side-step my orders when I was 6 days late reporting to Benning to be a Drill Sergeant. (read that AWOL). Obviously, I wasn't late because I was afraid of physical harm, my problem was that I felt that my personal integrity couldn't handle the thought of training troops for a war that didn't seem to make any sense to my inner self. When it seemed to my dad (ex-Navy pilot WWII) that my leave was being stretched a bit, he asked me "When are you due at your next duty station?" I told him that I should've been there last week. He said "Bob, do you realize that this means you're AWOL?" I told him I'd leave in the morning. The thought of being AWOL was very heavy on my mind and I just didn't know how to handle it. It was top-of-mind for about 8 hours as I drove from Detroit to Georgia. Somewhere during that drive I remembered that a buddy had written me a letter a few months earlier that he was stationed at 3rd Army HQ in Atlanta, so I pulled up to a phone booth in Atlanta, called the Base locator and in a few minutes the familiar voice was on the line. I told him I was on my way to Benning, and that I didn't have the heart to look the young soldiers in their eyes, knowing what I was training them for, and did he know of ANY jobs at Ft. McPherson that I might do. A couple clicks on the line and a gruff voice announced "This is Command Sergeant Major Booton, how can I help you son?" He invited me to his office at 0800 the next morning where I was to arrive in uniform with my records. He blew through the records, every so often stopping and looking at me, until he looked at my current orders when he stopped, looked up at me with the look of a guard dog in anger and he loudly said "Son, do you realize that you're AWOL?" Thank God I had hours to contemplate the answer while driving from Detroit. I looked at SGM Booton and said, "Command Sergeant Major, I think that's a matter of perspective." BOOTON: "A matter of perspective?" (louder now as he stood leaning over his desk at me) "A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE? Would mind telling me how you being AWOL is a MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE?"
Trying to remain cool and calm I told him that somewhere in that folder of records it should also say that I had an additional 30 days of leave coming to me in the next six months before my service ends. I told him that I didn't think it would be such a big deal to correct that number to 23 days, and everything would be square. He then walked to a desk across his office and set my records on it. He turned around and said, "This is your desk, you're working for me now, I'd suggest you get over here and get to work." I just became the Radar O'Riley of the 3rd MP Group, CI.
While there I spoke to MP's all over the 3rd Army. Some MP NCO's (several different bases) were being exposed to green new butter bars who went out of their way to "punish" these NCO's when they had important plans, by putting the NCO on a duty that any other NCO with equal rank and MOS could do, just to show them who's boss. Esprit d 'corps was not very high in the units where this was evident. When I got such calls, I arranged for off the record 3 day passes after speaking to the "buddy NCO" who pledged to fill in for the duty. Because the passes were from HQ, the butter bars were afraid to object... and after just one, they each learned that as big a deal as they imagined themselves to be, there is a tall ladder of BIGGER deals who can rain on their parades. The CSM figured out what I had been doing. He dressed me down and discussed what I had been doing with the LTC, who took me to lunch and told me that the Esprit d 'corps of the command had jumped measurably in the past couple of months. He didn't admit that he knew exactly what I had been up to, but it was time to give me the customary "stay in the Army speech" and offered me more than two years salary if I'd sign-up for 3 more years.

To make a short story long, when you see something that pisses you off, and you believe you might feel better by making a scene at that moment... resist your urge - it'll pass. Don't sweat the small shit. Save your maneuvers for back-door solutions that'll teach lessons to those who need to learn them. It then becomes a quiet mind game, and the satisfaction becomes immeasurably higher... but only YOU know the score.

Response by Sgt Jason Hughes made Oct 8 at 2022 9:12 AM

Sgt Jason Hughes — Sat, 08 Oct 2022 09:12:32 -0400

Heh, kids these days.

Response by SFC Antonio Clinkscales made Oct 10 at 2022 4:33 PM

SFC Antonio Clinkscales — Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:33:14 -0400

That's too easy... I participated in a Post wide courtesy patrol. Our whole job was to make on the spot corrections, and report to the CG any issues. Basically people like this example. I would simply inform him that none of his superiors including the Full Bird that I worked for would appreciate his blatant disregard for the rules, as they "do" apply to him and every Soldier serving in our military today. If he persisted, I had a direct phone number to the CG... Too easy... You don't want to listen when being corrected, your bosses boss, has a boss... You can answer to him.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Oct 12 at 2022 1:02 PM

CDR William Kempner — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 13:02:03 -0400

Having been in similar situations, there's three ways to go around this. First thing is to identify yourself and who you are, and then explain the issue. (You could be ANYBODY -and I have often been appalled at comments to me from those who didn't know what they were talking about.-, or had a beef for some reason unbeknownst to me- I looked like their ex, or their wife ran off with an Ensign or something like that. Lol. ) If you explain it most people would at least listen. Second, If you are senior, it's easier. If you aren't maybe get the person's name and unit. I had an Army major come up to me in an PX one time (I'm Navy,(was O-3) and was TAD, and I was in the magazine section, bothering no one) unannounced and tell me to remove my cover! For USN, wearing a cover inside an exchange or commissary is acceptable, and I told him so. He called the Navy liaison office and complained!! (lol) The MCPOC had me stop by, and told me the situation. I told him to tell the major to pound sand-I wasn't doing anything wrong, nor was i bothering anyone. The MCPOC laughed and said "I know, but we have to live with them. " I nodded and said, "Got it." Nothing further. As for entitled young O-1s, usually they learn quickly or don't get to hang around very long.

Thirdly/Lastly, you have to ask yourself; "is it worth it?? Sooner or later, someone will probably make a correction for this young person. Why put yourself in that situation? Just saying.

Response by CMSgt Frank Dailey made Oct 13 at 2022 8:11 AM

CMSgt Frank Dailey — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:11:45 -0400

First this would not happen, second if ever a young officer were to ever utter such insanity. I would clearly identify myself as a Senior Enlisted Leader and identify who I work for, and ask for his name and unit. I would then walk away. The next morning when the LT and his commander are invited to visit my boss (3 Stars)... Now I must admit there is the need for situation awareness.

I once had a great mentor who served as an professor at a Military Academy, he was confronted and spoke to with such distain and disrespect over the trivial matter of having his hands in his pockets while walking across a windy snowy parking lot. Earlier he had spied a young cadet doing tours without gloves. He had given his gloves to the Cadet and accepted walking with his hand in his pockets to the car.

In the case of the professor, he took the CSM's correction under advisement and agreed to correct the issue immediately. He then stood there and waited. As the CSM began to leave, he said ahmm, "Sergeant?" "I believe you forgot a few things...." The CSM looked at him with a pretty ugly stare... Came to attention and provided the first Salute he neglected and the Col waited returned his salute and said "dismissed."

Within the book We were Soldiers , The author explains that his CSM is one of the most intense and incredibly powerful leaders he knew. He then went on to tell the story of a Platoon Lt who insisted that all his men fall out in their dress uniforms with all ribbon and medals. All but the Platoon Sgt a crusty bull of a man he did not place his regalia on his uniform. The LT dressed him down and sent him back to correct the issue. He wanted to see what this man was truly made of by the awards and decs he had. A few minutes later the sergeant reappears dressed in only combat boots and not one but two Medals of Honor. He walked up to the LT and stood there waiting for a response. The Men who knew his history, knew he never wore his medals because he hated being saluted, except for that day.

The moral to the story is do not jump to conclusions, treat everyone with respect, recognize you may not have the full picture. Remember we all have a person we report to and if we are in the wrong, admit it, correct the issue at the soonest possible moment and there is always the chance you might be saluting a dude wear only combat boots and a smile!

Response by 1SG Daniel Frawley made Oct 16 at 2022 8:36 PM

1SG Daniel Frawley — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:36:47 -0400

Ah, 2LTs. So he states as an officer those rules dont apply, I have to presume he has an integrity issue. What other rules dont apply? The fun part comes when you watch his expression change as you take down his name and unit...easily identifiable by unit patch, etc. Or more fun call the MPs bc he is obviously a spy or terrorist. As a 1SG never had an officer speak to me like that without regretting their birth.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Nov 8 at 2022 5:05 PM

SPC Martin Meyer — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 17:05:57 -0500

I had a problem with a brand new butter bar straight out of the academy. I was getting short so my attitude was not the best and he did not like it. Problem is when he took over the platoon he did not review the records of the soldiers under his command and to me that is a grievous error. All may not agree with me on that but in order to command and earn respect you should have a basic idea the troops you are commanding. I was dragging my butt that day and he called me to the side to tell me how wonderful he was, what a great future he had on the outside, and also he was a boxing champ in his class. I just gave him a dumb look. My thoughts were to tell him you have 40 elite paratroopers under you command and there is only one of you if we go into battle you need us more than we need you. We had a highly experienced platoon sergeant and great squad leaders with plenty of experience. I kept my mouth shut and let him spew his rhetoric at me and just turned away and went about the remainder of training for that day. I had 30 days left on my enlistment and this particular butter bar was one reason I decided not to reenlist.

Response by CPT Ray Doeksen made Nov 10 at 2022 12:30 PM

CPT Ray Doeksen — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:30:51 -0500

It's not going to be the same "whether Officer or Enlisted" - your approach ought to take into account the rank differences. If you are a junior enlisted, find a senior enlisted within the 2LT's chain of command. Let them decide how to handle it. If have another officer that you can trust, let them know, quietly. Regardless of how correct you are, it won't go well if you piss into the wind like that. That 2LT is going to dig their own hole, don't worry, but let someone else apply the corrective action. The mission of the scout is not to engage the enemy, but to find them.

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Nov 10 at 2022 3:25 PM

Lt Col Brett Meyer — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 15:25:49 -0500

I would remind him that all soldiers are held to a certain standard and that as a leader, it is up to him to set the example.

Response by SCPO George Caddy made Nov 12 at 2022 8:35 PM

SCPO George Caddy — Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:35:46 -0500

My take is a little different because as a E-3 and below, even if you are correct, you can't win. If you bring attention to the 2LT to a more senior officer or very senior NCO the 2LT will only blame you for his/her shortcoming. Better to more on and hope you are never under his/her command.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Nov 13 at 2022 8:49 PM

CPL T.A. Nelson — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:49:55 -0500

1SG is right and I made the mistake of not addressing an issue quietly, that pretty much put a target on me. Some one of a higher rank would have to address the situation...

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Nov 13 at 2022 9:59 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:59:45 -0500

Butterbars gonna butter.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Nov 13 at 2022 10:00 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:00:07 -0500

Butterbars gonna butter.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2022 2:56 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:56:21 -0500

I would remind him that AR670-1 applies to everyone regardless of their rank or pay grade

Response by Capt Guy Ingram made Jan 2 at 2023 9:11 AM

Capt Guy Ingram — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 09:11:55 -0500

As an Enlisted person, unless they are of sufficient (Master Sgt, Sr Master, or Chief Master), I would ask him politely to remove the headset. If I was ignored, then a quick call to the XO of the squadron First Sgt would be in order. As an officer, I would pull the 2Lt aside and have a short conversation. If the attitude was severe and i was ignored, a short call to the Squadron Commander would be in order. In my opinion, the key is to advise the officer of the problem, and if they decide to ignore you then you have to find someone they will not ignore. the CO is that person, administratively.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Jan 2 at 2023 7:22 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 19:22:52 -0500

As an enlisted type I didn't say much to them when on duty and even less off duty.
When standing quarter deck watches I had the loaded 45 ACP not the OD.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2023 11:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 23:43:18 -0500

I was an E6 assigned to 3rd Ranger Bn and I went to post finance to take care of something. Post finance was in the same section of blogs that inprocessing was. I passed a 2LT and rendered a hand salute and gave the standard greeting for us which was “Rangers lead the way”, he responded “my ass they do”. I was taken back and pointed out that he was being rude but he said he was an officer and could respond anyway he wanted. All I did was lol at his name tag and his unit patch and when I got back to the Bn I told the BN CSM about it who called his Brigade and let them deal with it. 2 hours later that 2LT was at our Bn apologizing to the BN CDR and getting yelled out.

People corrected me after OCS and. Always thanked them for pointing out something I missed. There’s no reason to flex your rank if your wrong, take the correction and move on.

Response by SSgt Ricardo Lugo made Jan 27 at 2023 8:57 PM

SSgt Ricardo Lugo — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:57:14 -0500

As I recall the arm forces of our nation has an outstanding history of good leadership training. This type of problems should not be happening in are 21 century military carriers. Both Officers and Enlisted receive compatible training of professional warriors' doctrine; there is no excuses. Hopefully are soldiers continuing to move united in a mature spirit of professional warriors of our nation. So, God help us and God Bless America.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Jan 28 at 2023 7:10 AM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Sat, 28 Jan 2023 07:10:49 -0500

Well, after politely explaining myself several times to a new female butter bar during morning formation (she was trying to make me break formation to pick up trash, police call was after formation), I finally said, "Ma'am, you can go fuck yourself." Cost me a stripe but it was worth it. Even the battalion commander was on my side, but of course he had to do it. She was just trying to throw her weight around on one of the biggest Marines there. I was short and didn't really give a shit. Back in my day the were few women and we didn't tolerate their crap.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Jan 28 at 2023 5:06 PM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:06:03 -0500

There are many answers to this question
Try to "on-the spot" correct him.
Pull him to the side and try to talk to him one on one. If you are lucky this might work.
Sarcastic humor, sometimes works.
Take it up the chain of command, if you can find someone to listen.
For the enlisted, there are few options, if the LT isn't willing to listen.
What can you do?
As a team, you can show him/her, how you can make him a success or break him.

When being an A$$:
Embarrass him in front of his peers.
Show minimum effort, when the LT is doing an inadequate job.
Cold shoulder him, when he trys to fit in.
Nothing looks worse than a collective revolt (Civil Disobedience).
Remember, there is a fine line to insubordination.

When doing a proper job:
Show full respect.
Go the extra mile.
Mentor and give positive feedback.
Treat him as one of the team.

You can do much more character building with a new LT (any leader, really) as a team, than individually.
Individually, your options are limited.

Response by SPC Richard Rauenhorst made Jan 29 at 2023 10:08 AM

SPC Richard Rauenhorst — Sun, 29 Jan 2023 10:08:57 -0500

My response now in retrospect would be. "Sir, I am a gentleman without an act of congress."

Response by SGT Rich Levesque made Jan 30 at 2023 8:48 AM

SGT Rich Levesque — Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:48:38 -0500

Walk away.

Response by SP5 Michael Ingenito made Mar 1 at 2023 12:02 PM

SP5 Michael Ingenito — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 12:02:55 -0500

the old saying "Let sleeping dogs lie" someone else who out ranks the 2 LT will enlighten them.

Response by SN Lawrence Worthen made Mar 6 at 2023 12:54 PM

SN Lawrence Worthen — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 12:54:04 -0500

In my day, you sucked it up acted like a man and followed orders as usual.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Mar 9 at 2023 11:02 PM

SGT John Schmelzkopf — Thu, 09 Mar 2023 23:02:27 -0500

I remember at Fort WeGotcha, I was SGT and had a E-3 real shy, Introvert type, good kid, well one day I told him to get a hair cut. My policy was always make note to follow up in a reasonable time frame, well two days later still no hair cut. He was terrified, I calmed him down and after a while he finally told me he was broke and after a while why. Seems an E-7 from another Platoon kept borrowing his money and not paying him back, I gave him the money and told him if anything like that ever happens again to tell me ! I found that E-7 shortly after and he made the mistake of thinking I was "Just" another E-5, I didn't even bother with the "In all Due Respect for your Rank" crap. I simply said "You have two choices, we find PFC XXX and you pay him all his money and tell him you are sorry will never happen again, or We find (SGM) xxxxx. He made a wise move and Paid up, from what I heard others got their money back over next few days. By that time I was sick of the ARMY BS, the way they were allowing Druggies to do their thing, the Vietnam Degrace. My first day there I was unpacking in my NCO room, SP-5 Roomie sees me going to take a shower and warns me not to use the NCO Latrine an EM was shooting up there and I'd get jumped. Well sure enough, he was still tied off when I walked in, I put him in head lock and pounded his face all the way to the Orderly Room and CQ. I still carry a scar on my chest where chewing on me, lol.

Response by MCPO Bryan Mosher made Mar 11 at 2023 1:48 PM

MCPO Bryan Mosher — Sat, 11 Mar 2023 13:48:20 -0500

As the command master chief I would inform him that it is not a suggestion or a recommendation. Don't let this misunderstanding of the rules jeopardize your career. Now remove the headset in public.

Response by MAJ Gregory Moon made Mar 13 at 2023 10:20 AM

MAJ Gregory Moon — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:20:15 -0400

In most cases if the officer involved blows you off take it to their unit. Remember that uniform policy is not uniform. It can and does change Commander to Commander, Unit to Unit and base to base. Take care on how and when you correct. I got a chicken crap correction at the Frankfurt O-club. I was walking my wife in the rain I held an umbrella over her not over me. A more senior officer talked behind to his wife but clearly loud enough for me to hear that soldiers didn't use umbrellas. Message fail. Also a Ft Benning in the 80's They made a policy that soldiers in BDU's could not go into fast food restaurants at lunch time off post. After a visit from the local chamber of commerce the CG quietly stopped enforcement. I say all this to tell you not to get overly self righteous about uniform policy. Use common sense to deal with other soldiers. Understand what you can and can't accomplish. That means and E2 correcting an office has a even chance of getting blown off. Unfortunate but real. As an officer the same thing can happen as soon the soldier is out of sight.

Response by SPC Daniel Brown made Mar 14 at 2023 12:45 AM

SPC Daniel Brown — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 00:45:13 -0400

i would respect only his rank, and wish him a good day and walk away defusing any futher situation. He will learn in time respect is earned not demanded.

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Apr 30 at 2023 3:53 PM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:53:50 -0400

Back in the 80s we had quarterly team building events at the E Club when officers would attend for speakers (Steve Garvey once) or bands. The officers would have a set time when they had to leave around 6-7:00. We had a new 2LT who was having fun bonding with the troops but over indulged. When it came time for the officers to leave, he hit the head and took off his butter bars. He then came out and announced he was continuing the party as a Private. When I was able to get a quiet moment away from the other troops, I told him it’s cool he’s bonding with the troops but he’s not setting the best example being out of uniform and drinking so much. He said “I appreciate your concern, Corporal, but I’m a grown man and responsible for my own actions.” I left him to do his thing and called it a night, watching him order another round of Cuervo wearing a US Cavalry officer’s cover, circa 1870ish (no idea where he found that!). Next morning, he was hurting especially after standing tall before the Major since the word was out before the E Club closed that night. He thanked me later for trying to help and I found that he later went on to be an exemplary officer. Bottom line? Approach them respectfully to point out their error, but like the man said, he’s a grown man and responsible for his own actions. I wouldn’t push it beyond the initial correction.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made May 18 at 2023 11:54 AM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Thu, 18 May 2023 11:54:40 -0400

A long time ago, when I was at Infantry Officer Basic Course, while walking toward the Ft. Benning commissary, a senior NCO kindly reminded me that my sunglasses should not be hanging in the open from the chest pocket of my fatigues. I tucked them away in the pocket. A senior NCO took the time to save a new lieutenant from getting corrected in a worse way. Now, that's professional.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made May 22 at 2023 7:46 AM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Mon, 22 May 2023 07:46:15 -0400

I was a senior NCO when I was at a basic training base and watched a 2nd Lt standing on a coronor waiting for basic airmen coming by . He was shouting at them for not saluting him , he continued to wait for each airmen to come by when I walked up to him and saluted him and ask . Lt don't you have a better area to hang out at . He replyed "Yes Sargent "and off he went .

Response by SPC Terry Martin made May 22 at 2023 11:32 AM

SPC Terry Martin — Mon, 22 May 2023 11:32:02 -0400

IF I was an E-2, I'm not sure I would confront an Officer pointing out his flaws!

A couple of thoughts, real-life stories. I was working in a Motor Pool at Fort Knox, and a new OCS 2nd Lieutenant had just been placed in charge of the Motor Pool. On his first day, he came into and commenced telling our Buck Sergeant Motor Pool Sergeant how to run his pool. The last thing I witnessed was the 2nd LT driving out of the yard with the Buck Sergeant running behind him, yelling at him! The Buck Sgt. was not disciplined.

In Pirmasens, Germany, I was an E-4 working directly under the Battalion Commander. I was the Chief Clerk. A 2nd LT didn't like how I wrote up something for the Major. I took the paper into the Major and explained that the 2nd LT was unhappy with it. He said, "Send him in." I advised the 2nd LT that the Major would like to discuss it with him.

The door closed, but I could hear the reaming going on. "Whatever that SP4 types up for me is as good as coming from me!" The 2nd LT came back by me and humbly said, "It looks good!"

Response by Dale Climie made May 22 at 2023 1:42 PM

Dale Climie — Mon, 22 May 2023 13:42:58 -0400

Personally, I would just blow it off: you did the guy a favor. No regrets for the sh** storm that will descend upon his head when he tries that crap in front of an O5.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2023 4:05 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 May 2023 16:05:07 -0400

I used to think that we were the unit that our Wing chose to break in new officers. Since we were only a flight, we would often get a new commander (more like an OIC) or a new maintenance officer who was still a "butter bar." Luckily, I was an E-7 and could get away with "M'am (or Sir), we need to talk." or "... can we talk in your office?" And I would respectfully give them "motherly advice" that was backed up by my years of service. I never had of of them get insulted or upset with me.

Response by SFC Greg Dunn made May 23 at 2023 7:13 PM

SFC Greg Dunn — Tue, 23 May 2023 19:13:14 -0400

Sir can I speak with you for a minute............ That's how I started the conversation with young Lt Sullivan, and thankfully he was smart enough to listen to an old soldier. We're still good friends I have been out for 14 years, he is now Lt Col Sullivan and has had a great career, but he was a know it all "I graduated from West Point "yadda yadda pain in the ass at first.

Response by SFC Kenneth Schob made May 26 at 2023 11:40 AM

SFC Kenneth Schob — Fri, 26 May 2023 11:40:39 -0400

I would remind him that he's a 90 day wonder and he needed to get his head out of his duffel bag and in his spare time to do some reading with the Army regulations. Then I would await my punishment for correcting him.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Jul 6 at 2023 6:28 AM

SGT Erick Holmes — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 06:28:57 -0400

If you flash forward now on me being in it would be a conversation. The best thing that you can do is talked to your squad leader then your platoon leader then you section sergeant and just keep going up the chain until the issue is fix or if you are about the same age or older have a conversation. Respect the rank but just have a conversation. The 2LT may not know what he is doing. Let's just assume that he doesn't and sometimes a conversation is all that it takes to make a person realize they need to change their ways

Response by SFC Lawrence Born made Jul 7 at 2023 6:05 PM

SFC Lawrence Born — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 18:05:23 -0400

The last half of my career was as a support NCO/ Senior NCO in 2 different SF Groups. Any 2LTs (or God forbid Jots in the summer) we got were also support folks. If the they had issues and refused to accept gentle advice/correction I would simply nod and then take a walk to their section actuals office to explain and give them a heads up. I never had to do that twice. The only time I had to make a public scene was when we had a POS ring-knocker who thought it was a good idea to berate a 42L Specialist (very competent and respected at his job) in front of me for something that the LT was completely wrong about. I tried to step in quietly but was scoffed at and given the "talk to the hand" gesture. I went and got the 42A Major and asked him to come out into the shop with me. Out loud in front of the shop I explained what was transpiring and asked him to please unfornicate his LT........he was so hot you could have fried and egg on his head. The initial sentence was something to the effect of "Specialist Smith has been here for 2 years, deployed and is a valuable asset and YOU are NOTHING yet.....in my office NOW!!" Most of these situations could be avoided if during OCS and at the academies they would give some humility training and get away from the practice of blowing the "your the best of the best" smoke up their rears. My last civilian job was as a DCSA Special Agent with most of my duties dealing with USAFA. I know first hand how the academies work and it is pretty embarrassing. There is a LARGE portion of those schools who are average at BEST but they are all given the royal treatment, HUGE amounts of resources to "ensure success" and brain washed to believe they are special. About 25% are rock stars, about 50% are mediocre and about 25% are athletes and "special populations" that are well below average and would never be successful at any university on their own.

Response by SSgt William Blanshan made Jul 9 at 2023 7:15 AM

SSgt William Blanshan — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 07:15:45 -0400

Well, he's wrong, of course. The rules apply to officers even more than enlisted men. Officers are supposed to set the standard. You could report him to his superior. I've been dressed down once 0or twice in my career, and the officer was never rude or condescending. I've dealt with a newbie second louie in a combat situation and he realized he was way out of his depth and asked me for advice. He was FNG, but had his head on straight. It was his first rodeo.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jul 16 at 2023 1:29 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:29:31 -0400

Honestly? If some jackals 2LT is walking around and no one else has corrected that little shit before I do, as an E4... I'm not waiting for their command to get involved... I'm pulling the very next highest ranking NCO I can find...

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Jul 17 at 2023 9:21 PM

1SG Rick Seekman — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 21:21:53 -0400

tell that young butter bar to meet you out back!

Response by PFC Stanley Klatka made Jul 18 at 2023 12:02 PM

PFC Stanley Klatka — Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:02:07 -0400

Let him fall on his face. Then teach him.

Response by SP5 Gerald Santomassimo made Sep 10 at 2023 10:51 AM

SP5 Gerald Santomassimo — Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:51:21 -0400

Unless he was in my unit, I would do nothing. I'm sure that eventually a ranking officer will notice and correct him.
If he was in my unit, I'd be cordial and tell my Sergeant Major. They have a way with "correcting" junior officers that is second to none.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 24 at 2023 11:08 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 23:08:26 -0400

That's when you would have to get the Company Commander involved.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Sep 28 at 2023 11:24 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 23:24:37 -0400

Depending on the severity of the infraction and on JUST HOW RUDE the BUTTERBAR was, you walk it up the chain. As a Marine, it is OUR beloved Corps. We are ALL Marines and WE police ourselves. Not that it has not happened once or twice in 247 years but, I believe such things are more prone to happen in the Army.

Response by MSgt Charles Ibaugh made Oct 24 at 2023 1:22 PM

MSgt Charles Ibaugh — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:22:26 -0400

As an NCO I was doing a bag drag inspection per my Col's direction. I had a junior officer who was missing his duffle bag and had all his gear in personal bags. When I asked him where it was I was told "I'm not buying a bag they didn't issue me"

After finishing the inspections I notified my Col of the results, discrepancies and of said officer's attitude and comments.

The Col brought him into his office and dressed him down for the attitude and was very irate over the way he responded to my inquiry. Since I was doing what the Col directed me to do, the Col considered it as disrespecting him.

Response by SPC Byron Watts made Nov 17 at 2023 12:15 PM

SPC Byron Watts — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:15:41 -0500

The old saying used to be with all do respect to your rank sir, you are out of line. You have to respect the rank but not the person.

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Nov 17 at 2023 1:36 PM

LCpl Stephen Arnold — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:36:19 -0500

I was walking to the comm center for a message run one day as a young Lance Corporal of Marines. I walked by a 2d lt and saluted with the appropriate greeting "Good morning/afternoon, Sir" whichever it was. He looked right past me without so much as a middle finger in my direction. I shrugged it off until I heard "LANCE CORPORAL" in a very serious, gravely and deep voice. It was the Master Gunnery Sergeant who had an office in my building, an he was standing with the LT at parade rest. I returned and addressed him, "Yes Master Gunnery Sergeant?" He responded, "You know, LIEUTENANT, I know I've been out of basic training one or two years, but I somehow missed the part where a young Marine renders a salute, a show of respect, is blown off without a proper response, and that that is somehow a proper exchange of courtesies." The lieutenant apologized, to the Master Gunnery Sergeant, and stated "Sorry, I'm having a bad day". MSGYT said 'Don't apologize to me, apologize to the young Marine you disrespected", and the lieutenant did so, to his credit. I felt a start over was in order, so I saluted him and said "Good morning, Sir" and he replied "Good morning, Lance Corporal." He turned to the Master Gunnery Sergeant, awkwardly awaiting a salute, and Master Gunny looked at him and said " That is all, lieutenant." His hands never left his pockets.

Now I know that last response was inappropriate, so the doo gooders here don't need to blast me for it. I sure as hell wasn't going to correct a Master Gunnery Sergeant who cut his teeth in Vietnam especially since he was sticking up for me. I learned that much in the Corps if nothing else.

Response by CMSgt Bob Stewart made Nov 20 at 2023 10:20 PM

CMSgt Bob Stewart — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 22:20:36 -0500

As an E-9 (CMSgt) I have actually had to speak to officers through the grade of O-6 on proper wear of the uniform. I've had to "help" 2LTs understand they are no different than and E-1-E-4, except for their status of an office and likely know far less. I have explained, sometimes in not so nice of terms, that they need to go the clinic and have the procotologist remove their heads from the dark place had been residing. But as a Chief, that 2LT was going to listen, my job at that point was to keep them from embarrassing themselves further.

Response by CMSgt Bob Stewart made Nov 20 at 2023 10:25 PM

CMSgt Bob Stewart — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 22:25:23 -0500

As an Air Force E-9 (CMSgt), I have had plenty of opportunities to help Os up to O-5 understand the proper wear of the uniform. Once at Ramstein a smart-alec captain pushed back and I asked him if he wanted the mechanic working on his airplane to decide which rules to follow when fixing the jet. I reminded the captain (now this was at the check out in the Ramstein shoppette) that the rules are there for a reason and if you can't follow the simple rules, how can I trust you to follow the hard rules? That ended the conversation. The ideal situation is to be polite and professional, but I have found some times where I've had to step on that O because they simply didn't know how to take constructive feedback. If it happened in public, that use usually their fault, thinking they were somehow above the rules. What are those core values? Integrity, Service, Excellence? Yeah, those are pretty simple to follow...well, not really, because so many in our Air Force continue to fail, daily.

Response by CPL Stephen Hemmert made Nov 20 at 2023 10:38 PM

CPL Stephen Hemmert — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 22:38:42 -0500

I was a two year soldier of Vietnam War who had volunteered for the draft. There were many times I saw someone flex their muscles or rank for minor infractions. Why? Because, they could. And, did it without considering the consequences. I was assigned to Fort Dix NJ after getting discharged from St Albans' Naval Hospital after being treated for combat wounds. I had a profile excusing me from physical calisthenics. My duty section Sr NCO expected me to return to my duty section to tackle the brigade's backlog of work. When I did not return I told my NCO that my company commander told me, knowing my restrictions, to pickup cigarette butts (Me, a non-smoker). Yep, I followed the CO orders. My NCO said he'd take care of it, and, called his boss, the brigade commander whose was a colonel. The Colonel was the CO's boss. He reamed the CO out. When I got called into the CO's office, it was apparent from his watery blood shot red eyes he had been taken to task by the Colonel. Yep, the CO was within rank. I did as ordered. The CO was rifted from the army shortly thereafter. The army was rifting officers, so it made someone's choice easier. Yep, assert your rank or the regulations.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Nov 24 at 2023 7:45 PM

1SG Clifford Barnes — Fri, 24 Nov 2023 19:45:03 -0500

Where are your NCO’s. I still there job to make sure these types of behavior don’t happen. I am a Retired 1SG and would put the 2LT in his place. You have to be professional remain cool calm and respectful don’t get into a shouting match or s team or yelling match. Speak to him the way you want to be treated. It will turn out properly. Make sure your Ncoic, PLT SGT, and 1SG in in the loop Hooah

Response by SPC Marvin Ramsey made Dec 9 at 2023 4:37 PM

SPC Marvin Ramsey — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 16:37:19 -0500

In late 1974 at Hohenfels, Germany we were having breakfast when our platoon leader came over to our table to say good morning. We noticed he had failed to put on his rank and corps of engineers insignia. Being the smart asses that we were we greeted him by saying good morning private! He came back a minute later wearing his cap (not appropriate indoors) with his 2LT bar prominently displayed. We immediately said good morning, Lieutenant! He was a very good platoon leader by the way.

Response by SPC Kyle Smith made Dec 13 at 2023 12:55 PM

SPC Kyle Smith — Wed, 13 Dec 2023 12:55:00 -0500

As a civilian - flick him in the nose.

Response by 1LT Gerald Watson made Dec 14 at 2023 12:35 PM

1LT Gerald Watson — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 12:35:38 -0500

I would ensure that he knows that there are bigger problems in the world than wearing the wrong color of socks. Being a Nam vet, I have utmost respect for warrant officers, many of whom flew medivac choppers that would do anything to save a fellow soldier. While in Nam, there was one soldier who when he saw me approaching would walk out of his way to avoid saluting. One day I asked why he did this. His response was that he did not like to salute officers. I told him that being from the south, he can just wave and ask how am I doing. Too many people worry about s**t that means nothing. While teaching at the community and university level, I told my students that I was not their mama and that I did not care who their daddy was and that their paid tuition only earned them to attend class and work their ass off. I failed no one- their lack of effort was the reason for their failure

Response by PFC Thomas Pendley made Dec 17 at 2023 7:41 AM

PFC Thomas Pendley — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:41:45 -0500

I remember a time in 87 when my dad was an E 7 in Daegu SK. He was list In thought when a 2nd lt stopped him and asked him if he stopped saluting officers.(He was only a few years older than me) My dad thought for a second and said to him " I don't know whether to salute you or burp you. The 2nd lt looked like he was about to cry lol. If you want to fix a 2nd lt, sic a NCO on him.

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Dec 21 at 2023 7:55 AM

SGT Jody Beach — Thu, 21 Dec 2023 07:55:30 -0500

Shake your head, tell LT to have a good day, walk away....... The power of his pin is mightier than your rank.... However keep in mind "Karama is a Bitch" .... Knowing that you can smile in your head and be happy that justice will happen.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 1 at 2024 6:58 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Mon, 01 Jan 2024 06:58:59 -0500

Pass it up the Chain Of Command.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Jan 17 at 2024 10:32 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:32:34 -0500

There are tons of personnel in the armed forces who exhib a higher sense of judgement than other temperament types. If you've had the courage to speak up and the jerk (oh, typo... 'officer') doesn't like it - move on. Karma will catch up to that person. I'll probably catch some heat for this, but where was the harm? How much damage was done by wearing headphones that the OP is worked up over it? Everyone makes mistakes, some people just want others to be corrected for the speck of lint on their uniform - but please ignore my wrinkled dress blues.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jan 24 at 2024 6:14 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 06:14:28 -0500

Well, I Know They Hate It When You Call Them "Sir",
Then Ya Toss'em The Obligatory Salute.
While Laughing At The Same Time....

Response by SSG Bob Robertson made Feb 12 at 2024 10:10 AM

SSG Bob Robertson — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:10:41 -0500

What we did back in the 70's as NCO's was never give them any advice, then watch them screw up. Trust me they always do. When they ask us, we would just say "sir I don't know, I have never been in that situation. "Then sit back and watch them get their butts chews by their superiors and laugh.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Feb 12 at 2024 6:44 PM

1SG John Millan — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:44:58 -0500

You can’t fix stupid. Let it go, he’ll crash and burn eventually.

Similar to the E-2 question, how would you react to a young 2LT who is being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement?