Soldier failed the APFT but then passed within 90 days but at the time they passed had obtained a temp profile excluding the cardio event?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:02:59 -0400

So the issue is the soldier was obviously flagged for failing the initial APFT. He then obtained a temp profile for severe leg pain. He took another APFT within the 90 day window and passed, although he was excluded from taking any type of cardio event. His command is still stating that the flag is in effect, but everything I can find in AR 350-1 Appendix G, G-9, sections 6-9, state that is he passes the events he took then the flag should be lifted. And it was command approved for him to follow the profile and not take any of the cardio events

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 27 at 2016 1:07 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:07:08 -0400

Perhaps Im missing the obvious... But can you help us understand what your question is?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 1:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:07:13 -0400

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 27 at 2016 1:10 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:10:59 -0400

Normally SM with temp profile are not given a record APFT
"A-38. Alternate aerobic events assess the cardio respiratory and muscular endurance of Soldiers with permanent medical profiles, or long-term temporary profiles that cannot perform the 2-mile run"

and "A-41. Soldiers with temporary physical profiles must take a regular three event APFT after the profile has expired. Soldiers with temporary profiles of long duration (more than three months) may take an alternate aerobic event as determined by the commander with input from health-care personnel. Once the profile has been lifted, the Soldier must be given twice the length of the profile (not to exceed 90 days) to train for the regular three event APFT. If a regularly scheduled APFT occurs during the profile period, the Soldier should be given a mandatory make-up date for the APFT."

There are always exceptions, APFT score needed for an evaluation report coming due. APFT score needed for a school, said school will except a alternate APFT score

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made Apr 27 at 2016 1:21 PM

CPT Mark Gonzalez — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:21:26 -0400

The commander ultimately decides what is a diagnostic and a record. If you go thru all the regs they will actually start to contradict themselves on this issue as you have an AR, TC, and an FM. There is a provision used for people on long-term temporary profiles where they could be allowed to take a record AFPT. I know personally I would never allow this as if it was truly a long-term temporary profile at the 365 day mark the provider needs to convert to a P3. I would also contend that the only way to overcome the flag is to pass the entire APFT and not a partial. Under ordinary events you don't even have people on temporary profiles take any portion of the APFT, but a commander could have them take some events for diagnostic purposes.
So maybe the CO CDR blessed it and the S-1 and BN CDR shut him down. Rare for his boss to overrule him, but possible. Most likely what occurred is a more junior leader gave the OK, but when the CDR heard about it he said no. Once you open Pandora's box to allow for someone take a record APFT missing an event you can't shut it. This would be ludicrous as people would seek out temporary profiles for the event they failed.
The Soldier needs to get themselves healthy and overcome the flag by taking a full APFT. If not they better hope those profiles turn into a permanent with a medical separation as the other option is to bar them from re-enlisting and separate them that way.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Apr 27 at 2016 1:24 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:24:54 -0400

as you discovered, unless the Temp profile was given for more than 3 months, he was not authorized a alternate event record APFT. The flag would stand. If a separation action was being initiated, Id bet the commander would be advised he should wait till the temp profile and required recovery period was up, give a recorded AFT and then move forward from there.

And there is still some grey area.. .. If the Sm gets a 4 week temp profile, and then a 2 week, and then a 4 week, and then a 1 week, and a 4 week..... was he given a Temp profile for 3 months? Or did he accumulate several shorter profiles that totaled more than 90 days..and are they the same thing as far as APFT is concerned?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 3:13 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:13:49 -0400

if the sm had a profile at the time he/she should pass the flag should be lifted period

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2018 6:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 18:25:11 -0400

I'm facing this very issue now. Failed the apft, ended up back on profile for much of my 90 days, my commander didn't know I couldn't take a record on a temp profile. Now I'm passed that 90 day mark, on a 6 week profile, and have no idea what is going to happen.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2018 2:15 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:15:14 -0400

Pretty slick move by the Soldier, but the flag will stand since the
profile was temporary, not long term or permanent.
Real question is: Who permitted a record APFT without the cardio event based on a temporary profile?