Spouses/dependents wearing your uniform components in public?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:50:33 -0500

We have all seen it, spouses wearing their "sponsors" pt jacket, fleece jacket etc while walking around in public. I would really like to know why it is that "YOU" as the service member allow your spouse to wear a part of your uniform in public. Do you not have any pride in your uniform or your profession, or do you just not care that they do it? I would never let my wife wear my PT Jacket or anything else of mine that is essentially INITIAL ISSUE OR TA-50 in public. If she wants to support what I do and it is cold out, I'd get her an Army hoodie, not strip my name tapes off and let her walk around in MY Army issued fleece jacket. There is a discussion about Soldiers walking around in uniform after COB and "how wrong that is". So why do people think this it is OK to let their spouse wear their uniform and announce "my family is in the Army" or "give me special attention". And knowing that dependents are REALLY not so much subject to 670-1/ UCMJ in that aspect, is there any input as to what can be done about it besides walking away disgusted.<br>

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 11:06 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:12 -0500

My wife wouldn't wear my uniforms because they are too big, but if spouses want to wear our uniforms, who cares?  It might look silly, but the last thing we need in the Army is more arbitrary rules to enforce.<br>

Response by SPC David Wyckoff made Feb 22 at 2014 11:18 AM

SPC David Wyckoff — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:18:58 -0500

<p>I haven't been in for a long time, but I can't really recall seeing that many spouses wearing their S/O uniform in public. Maybe I just didn't hang with out other soldiers all that much or maybe its a newer thing.</p><p>My wife never wore my uniforms. In fact, bless her heart, she only tried once to wash and iron them. While I was in I washed and ironed my own as well as maintaining my Class As. Back then I had a set of boots and an ironed uniform I wore to first formation. After that I changed into my work uniform or coveralls, whatever was required.<br>I still don't wear my uniform unless I am wearing the whole thing for a parade or special occasion. I have worn camo pants and shirts to hunt in, but they are usually surplus from another country. </p><p>Just my personal opinion, but if I'm going to wear a soldiers uniform then I should wear it correctly. </p>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 12:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:37:26 -0500

Free country..... As long as they ain't trying to impersonate

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 2:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:56:55 -0500

Personally, I don't think it's right, at least not in public. My wife has put on my fleece cap when it's been really cold but only because hers was not available at the moment. My professional clothing is mine to wear and maintain, not my wife's. A couple times she has tried to put on my patches and flag after a washing, which I do appreciate, but I like to do those things myself since I am a stickler for details. Think of it this way: Would you wear your spouses police/firefighter/doctor/nurse clothing, which is usually very specific to those jobs, in public?

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Feb 22 at 2014 3:08 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:08:01 -0500

I understand two things: <div>1. They'll do whatever they want and no one can stop them.</div><div>2. I believe they do it without meaning any harm therefore I don't blame them.</div><div><br></div><div>I find it disrespectful when civilians nonchalantly wear a uniform I earned the right to wear and a uniform I take pride in. If a leader tells their soldiers to take pride in their uniform but then doesn't discourage their overweight wife from wearing a PT shirt (contradiction in itself) then as far as I'm concerned it brings discredit upon that leader. </div><div><br></div><div>We can't stop them, but we can tell them it's part of a uniform and not to be worn as casual wear. Just my opinion...</div>

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 3:14 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:14:25 -0500

<p>I agree.  My wife does not ever wear my military gear(PT, fleece, anything).  One, it looks goofy in civilian clothes anyways, two, we don't need to draw extra attention to the fact that we are military, and three, there is no reason to do so.  She has civilian clothing and jackets.  Most installations have some sort of rules for the uniform after COB.  I know Ft. Wainwright and Ft. Richardson have the Blue book which limits off post wear to 0500 to 1900.  There are exceptions about stopping at gas stations, etc to get essentials in order to get home.  Fort Drum was the exact same way.  </p><p><br></p><p>Folks who where that military gear in public like that are merely attention hunting.  There is no reason when we are supposed to be quiet professionals.  We should not be out seeking attention.  </p><p><br></p><p>Just my thoughts.  I completely agree with you brother.  </p>

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 5:03 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:03:28 -0500

<div>SSG Broadbent,</div><div><br></div>That would be so wrong in my generation.  He would have to shave his legs.  My own cover, blouses, and skirts would look very odd if he could even fit into them.  <div><br></div><div>His uniforms would look extremely baggy and just awful on me.  His cavalry hat and silver eagles would look completely out of place.  This is totally insane.</div><div><br></div><div>I think either of us wearing the others uniform parts<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "> would be completely wrong.  <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">How could anyone even think about even trying this today?</span></span></div><div><div><br></div><div>Warmest Regards, Sandy</div><div><br></div></div>

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 5:03 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:03:37 -0500

I dislike it when people do that as well.

There are two distinct options on reversing that trend:

1)
Post commanders could write JAG-blessed-off-on-this policy letters that prohibit that kind of personal dress on post and hold Soldiers accountable for their dependent's actions in conjunction with frequent courtesy patrols through the entirety of the military reservation (to include housing).
There is a "no earphones if you are moving from point A to B in any shape or form" policy on Fort Lee that fines the individual in question and which can lead to mandatory pedestrian safety classes that the service member must attend with the dependent if the dependent has been found in violation of said policy.
The hard core courtesy patrols are the other necessary part of such an intrusive policy. The abovementioned earphone policy is hardly enforced because no one checks the hotspots for that kind of activity. There is a post housing policy against tethering dogs outside and I have run out of fingers counting the tether-spots I can see from my back patio. Any policy that is not enforced might as well be null-and-void.

2)
Mentor Soldiers to tell them that this is a big no-no for being a professional. They may not be able to control their spouse but they can hopefully talk to them about what their actions mean to their career. The senior positions in the military come with an unofficial requirement to have your own home in order and to serve as "example family" for your organization.

I think number two is a lot easier and it is something that has been neglected in some units. A lot of Army culture faux passes are because Soldiers don't know the rules or don't know why the rules are important.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 5:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:21:11 -0500

I can't speak for Active Duty folks, as I could see where a spouse wearing military garb could throw someone off on post or something, but being a Reservist, I wouldn't ever say anything against my wife or daughter wearing my fleece or PT cap.

She obviously doesn't wear my ACUs or anything like that, but I have three fleece jackets. There's no reason why she can't show her support for the military or the unit. She's definitely not trying to impersonate or pretend to get support or satisfaction.

You don't see people saying that they're looking for attention when they have the boots and hearts stickers on their car [Half my heart is in Iraq] or whatever other significance they represent. The same goes with service men and women who wear the KIA bracelets. It's support. It's respect and memory. That's how I view it.

It's said, time and time again that your family is one of the biggest supporters and advocates of this profession, so to make a mountain out of a molehill just seems to be silly.

That picture SSG Woods showed is just ... wrong, lol. And it's Walmart. It's almost expected.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Feb 22 at 2014 5:39 PM

CSM Michael Poll — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:39:49 -0500

The only time my wife would wear any part of my uniform is if there is an emergency ie stuck in the cold.  She has my marshmello suit in her car in case of breakdown.  She never wears anything else of my uniforms.  She knows that she shouldn't and does not want any controversy.  I have a great wife.  She deserves better.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 5:50 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:50:29 -0500

<p>If you have deployed, then you know how fast you want to get out of a uniform as soon as you are able to!  WHY anyone would WANT to wear our uniforms when they don't have to is beyond me.</p><p><br></p><p>While AR 670-1 does state that the PT uniform can be mixed with civilian clothes, again, WHY would anyone WANT to?  The IPFU is not warm by any stretch of the imagination, is NOT stylish at all, and makes way too much noise simply by moving any part of your body.</p><p><br></p><p>As much as spouses would like to think that they are "in the Army" just because they married into it, they are NOT entitled or allowed to wear the uniform or any part of it if they have not served honorably themselves.  </p><p><br></p><p>The ONLY issued piece of my gear that my wife might wear is the black fleece jacket that is now outdated and no longer authorized for wear.  Those have no identifying insignia of any kind, and they are warm and comfortable to wear on a cold day.</p><p><br></p><p>If you as a Servicemember allow your spouse (who has not served) to wear your gear, especially with rank and/or branch tapes, then you are wrong as well.  Allowing failure is failure as a leader.</p>

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2014 5:04 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 05:04:47 -0500

I've been looking at all the repsponses I have to agree with the majority. I also believe that it's silly for spouses to wear parts of the uniforms. Everyone sees in the Clothing and Sales that they have all kinds of clothing that a spouse can wear to support their Soldier. I got it, they are proud of us and they want everyone to know, but this uniform that I put on everyday is something that we all earned through our blood, sweat and tears. However... having said that, my wife, as alot of spouses have shared the hardships over the years with all these deployments and training. I will buy my wife one of our Battalion t-shirts for her to wear if she likes.

Response by MSG Cameron Davis made Feb 23 at 2014 6:57 AM

MSG Cameron Davis — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:57:06 -0500

I don't really care what family members wear (my family does not however wear my uniform articles) as long as they are not trying to impersonate a Soldier. That said, I really don't want to hear excuses from Soldiers when they are missing their PT gear (or something) and then I see their spouse wearing it at the supermarket. Actually what really bothers me is spouses who wear their SMs rank. Nothing worse than a spouse trying to push you around because their SM is higher in rank. Join the Army if you want Army rank I say and SMs, get your souses under control!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2014 11:18 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:18:03 -0500

My teenage daughter has decided she wanted a multi-cam top and a fleece.  We have come up with a few good compromises:<div>1. She does not wear rank. (leaves it fuzzy or a blank square)</div><div>2. Branch says Army Brat (verses U.S. Army) </div><div><br></div>

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Feb 23 at 2014 1:29 PM

Maj Chris Nelson — Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:29:42 -0500

<p>I have only seen 1 specific case that I was ok with and actually thought that there was a twist of humor and I was cool with it.... the new Fleece jacket.  Husband was wearing his appropriate (rank/name etc).  Wife was also wearing one....in place of the name was a name tape with "WIFE".  No rank.  I got a kick out of it.</p><p><br></p>

Response by COL George Antochy made Feb 25 at 2014 8:07 PM

COL George Antochy — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:07:08 -0500

I wasn't going to comment. This is just wrong and disrespectful to those that serve. The uniform should always be worn with pride. But it also speaks of our generational differences. Pride and a sense of right and wrong do not exist in a 'me' generation. The good news is that there are many in this generation who do not prescribe to everything this generation stands for. There is hope for the future. 

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2014 10:06 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:06:10 -0500

I've used pt pants for snowboarding in a pinch, they keep the wet out and the warm in pretty well with some silk-weights underneath. If a spouse has to wear parts of your uniform at least let it be for utility.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Feb 26 at 2014 6:43 AM

1SG Michael Blount — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:43:44 -0500

Bottom line - if YOU didn't earn it...don't wear it

Response by SGT Kevin Smith made Mar 1 at 2014 8:48 PM

SGT Kevin Smith — Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:48:07 -0500

The problem as I see it, is that the PT shirt and jackets are available inside the Military Clothing Sales stores and most if not all Military Surplus Stores near all the Military bases I have been on, so unless these items are restricted, it will be hard to enforce the issue of Family members wearing jackets or PT Uniforms.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2014 2:09 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:09:48 -0400

hate it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2014 2:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:12:02 -0400

I am slightly at a disadvantage in this regard due to the fact that my spouse is also Active Duty Army. That being said should he choose to wear any portion of my uniform I would most likely give him extra points for being able to pull it off as I am quite a bit smaller than him :). If my spouse was a civilian, however, I would not allow him to leave the house with anything on that was part of my uniform. This includes my fleece, my gloves, my pants, my brown t-shirts or any portion of my physical training uniform. I think it is disrespectful and quite frankly lazy of the spouse to throw on something uniform related. I believe that any spouse who wears a portion of the uniform in public is an embarassment and should be immediately corrected regardless of AR 670-1 not applying to their civilian status. It comes down to a matter of respect to me. Respect for your spouse, their position in the military and their dedication to our country. If a spouse truly wants to wear a portion of our uniform then I am well aware of a location that I can take them to that will afford them the opportunity to wear it properly.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2014 2:11 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:11:29 -0400

I am glad my wife is too small for my stuff. But it doesn't reflect well I think. I also can't stand when people pajamas in public. To me is seems like they want attention. A lot of the Army clothing we are issues are inferior to civilian attire. I will never wear my army PTs while off duty. If I can I will wear my civilian gym clothes when I can for my PT. As least the don't have that arm bad that is made out of the soldiers ACU top.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2014 2:20 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:20:38 -0400

My wife wears my camouflage utilities...but usually when its just us. ;)

but seriously she only wears my old cammies when doing yard or stuff around the house so she doesn't get good clothes dirty. I have asked her not to where anything like that around town. I cant control what she wishes to do, but she actually hates wearing anything MC around bases, she wont even go into a store at the mall if she is wearing that brand of clothing. Weird right?

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2014 11:51 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:51:49 -0400

I had a situation like this. For some reason, people decide that wearing the ACU Jacket is a fashion trend and wear it like it is a coat. I have also seen a ton of people wearing the PC like it was a baseball cap with their civilian stuff. I am not really sure why it pisses me off, but it does. It is blatant disrespect towards our uniform. I understand people may go through surplus stores looking for cheap clothes and what not, but really? You couldn't find a regular shirt to wear or a regular hat? I tried to correct some guy one day and he decided to get an attitude with me. I wasn't disrespectful or anything. I just went up to him and said "Sir, I don't know if you may realize this or not, but wearing this uniform may offend certain service members because we take pride in this uniform and you are wearing it in this manner". He proceeded to be a douche bag. Long story short, there is no way to correct people deciding to try and look "cool" by wearing components of our uniform. Why they wear them? I have no clue...it looks absolutely stupid wearing ACUS with civilian crap. It is one of those pet peeves we will have to get over.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2014 5:40 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:40:02 -0400

I'd say let's call them out on stolen valor :-O

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2014 11:55 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:55:11 -0400

Not sure how high these cases are in the Army but in the Navy...no way would I let my wife wear any article of a uniform. They have special sections at the Exchange where spouses can buy clothing items that support their significant other. I've earned the right to wear this uniform. It's sacred and something I don't want anyone to misuse. This goes for the woman who are taking risky or provocative photos in their spouses uniform and sending to them or in some cases posting on a website for other people to see and get easily offended. Simply put, if you want to wear my uniform...sign up.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Jul 12 at 2014 3:38 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:38:29 -0400

I have no problems with it as long as they are not trying to represent themselves as a Military member and do it tastefully. Since most of the Military clothing is available at any good surplus store or pawn shop outside any base it is hard to restrict them or anyone else from wearing parts of the uniform. Most Military Regs. are not enforceable on family members.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2014 4:30 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:30:49 -0400

Personally, both my wife and I do not agree with this practice. She is very proud of my military career and what i accomplish but there are better ways to respect and represent what i have accomplished.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2014 1:47 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:47:24 -0400

I am glad my spouse does no such thing. She is supportive but does not the whole social concept and stereotype that the culture has created, AKA the "dependa". Iunderstand that a spouse is very supportive of their husband/wife and which to display it, however their are a myriad of ways they can do that. I've seen them put stickers on their car, blow up their social media outlets with pictures of their significant other. Thats fine, as long as their is nothing unethical or illegal or immoral being done, I am fine with it. but to wear their uniform is another. UCMJ covers it as well as Federal law.
Federal laws concerning the wear of the United States Military uniforms by people not on active duty are published in the United States Code (USC).
Specifically, 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772.

Response by SSG Jason Deters made Jul 16 at 2014 8:01 PM

SSG Jason Deters — Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:01:17 -0400

I was at a movie one time and saw a young female wearing an Army PT shirt. She happened to sit right behind me and after the movie I asked about her shirt. I said "Hey cool shirt! I've got one at home just like it. Where did you get it?" She said, "I got it from my boyfriend... where did you get yours?"
..................................
"I EARNED IT!"

It was a little silly but somehow felt like a win.

Response by SPC Krystal Smith made Jul 16 at 2014 9:58 PM

SPC Krystal Smith — Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:58:01 -0400

OK I do have to say that sometimes its not always a spouse wearing the things I still have my old PTs and I do wear them every once in awhile normally just around the house to clean or do laundry but if i need to run out I don't worry about changing. I also have a fleece jacket that I still wear because its warm. I also have to say my husband is still in the military so I got to play both parts for awhile and I know how everything should look. Yes all my patches are gone. I don't see a problem with it unless the are destroying it like the one picture and all patches are off.

Response by PFC Wilfredo Sanntiago made Jul 16 at 2014 10:22 PM

PFC Wilfredo Sanntiago — Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:22:49 -0400

If you did serve you should not wear the uniform.

Response by TSgt Jamie Richardson made Jul 17 at 2014 10:25 AM

TSgt Jamie Richardson — Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:25:13 -0400

My question is are you certain its the dependent in the first place? I got real sick and tired of people assuming my spouse was the ad member. And are you certain that its the sponsors uniform and not one she got down at the goodwill or army navy store?
No my spouse never wore my uniform pieces, until they were worn out then they became hunting gear

Response by CPT Laurie Fazekas-Carey made Jul 17 at 2014 3:11 PM

CPT Laurie Fazekas-Carey — Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:11:06 -0400

There may be some of these alleged "spouses" (clearly it was wives or daughters shown in the picture) who are actually wearing their own PT's or whatever, from when they served on active duty. I still have my woodland pattern gortex jacket, and I wear it all the time in the winter in MD. Am I not supposed to because 'everyone will think it's my husbands'? If they are concerned, they can feel free to ask me. I will tell them whose it is. Besides, he has his own that he wears.

Response by PFC Kaylynne Linden made Jul 17 at 2014 5:29 PM

PFC Kaylynne Linden — Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:29:40 -0400

Small issue as everyone has responded, yes. I do however have to agree though in adding in my input that being a current or former member of the US military is an honor and a privilege to most and I have been discharged for years now and it still angers and disgusts me that people find it right to do this. (whether in public or not)

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2014 9:32 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:32:31 -0400

Well....Lets see here!! I have witnessed little kids in a small towns (names of which I don't remember) in Honduras, Central America wearing US military uniform items. I'll have to go with SGM Brainard "99 problems and this not one of them"!! Honor isn't judged by who you let wear your uniform items nor should it be. Did you consider that the individuals that do this maybe honoring their loved ones? I can speak from the dependent wife's point of view. I did wear my husbands Army PT shirts...granted it was not in public...I did this because I missed him! I guess my point is that you can't judge the reasons why nor should you waste the time to find a reason why?! Until people start getting arrested for it...just leave it alone!!

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2014 8:07 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:07:54 -0400

They do it because they want other people to know what class they belong in and how much respect their husband has for his wife (or visa versa). I wouldn't let my wife wear a pt shirt or even a tan tee because I respect HER! It is embarrassing for her to be seen in public wearing those things. It is annoying and it really just shows that you have no respect for yourself anymore; that you have become the STEREOTYPICAL, husband's credit card in hand, ARMY WIFE! Don't be like this. Husbands: Don't let your wives be like this.

Response by PV2 Ana Waters made Jul 18 at 2014 9:13 AM

PV2 Ana Waters — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:13:19 -0400

Honestly, I believe there is a reason why for the exchange to have a "pride" section.....so for spouses to wear the uniform....eek. I'm dual military so I don't have a problem with us having our own :) But really? (I saw the PT dependa below.....omg)

Response by PO2 Jennifer Heraty made Jul 18 at 2014 9:35 AM

PO2 Jennifer Heraty — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:35:24 -0400

I agree that spouses should not wear the uniform in public. I do remember once I was in the exchange in p.t. gear just to get a bottle of water before the PRT. I was stopped by an LT in uniform going off about how I should not be wearing the uniform in public since I did not deserve to wear it. Out of respect I let him rant about it, did not talk back. Right after he was done an Master Chief who was in Iraq with saw me. He asked me " When did you get back from deployment?" I told him 3 weeks ago. The LT asked me " Sorry for the rant, but why didn't you tell me you were active duty" I smiled and told him in a lower voice 'Well, Sir there is a spouse about 3 people you and I figure you did not want to say it again when you saw her."

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2014 10:35 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:35:18 -0400

How about hell no, don't wear it!!!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2014 1:10 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 01:10:10 -0400

I literally stare them down with a glare and shake my head - every single time. It's trashy, but there's nothing we can do about it. I will, however, call out my own soldiers if I see their wives out and about with uniform parts and pieces on.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2014 6:41 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 06:41:26 -0400

While it may grate at the nerves, there are so many other ways to apply your experience and knowledge to improve the lives of those around you without seeming like you're nitpicking. I understand that as an NCO the standards are our job and that professionalism is number one, but sometimes you have to pick your battles, and chewing a service member in front of his spouse for allowing him/her to wear issued gear is not the best way to change behavior, though it is a good way to create a bad and uncomfortable situation.

Response by Sgt Christine Tanner made Jul 19 at 2014 7:59 AM

Sgt Christine Tanner — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 07:59:30 -0400

When I was in the service this was something that was strictly forbidden, did this change, or is it just that they are breaking the rules? I agree with you the Army hoodie you let your wife take once you had names off is something that is allowed, but not everything else.

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Jul 19 at 2014 10:20 AM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:20:43 -0400

My husband wears my old brown Ts (and some times my tan Ts) for yard work and to fix the car. While I get annoyed its not because he is not military, it's because I keep having to buy more D**B T's.

Response by SSgt Erica Sims made Jul 19 at 2014 3:04 PM

SSgt Erica Sims — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:04:05 -0400

What about those of us that are veteran's with our own gear but are also dependents? I have my own gortex jackets etc that I occasionally wear in public. Am I one of those dependents you don't think should be able to wear something available at surplus stores, or am I a veteran that is wearing my own gear? Who are you to judge?

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made Jul 19 at 2014 8:01 PM

TSgt Julie Miller — Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:01:58 -0400

I agree here... there are so many other clothing items we can provide for our families to wear in support of our military.... You bring up a valid point in that we, active duty military, may not wear certain uniform combinations off duty and even when doing so, we must adhere to uniform dress and appearance standards.... Retirees must also adhere to specific uniform dress and appearance standards so crossing the line should not ever be allowed... Besides, every military BX and/or clothing sales store has items specifically for non uniform wear.... I see so many civilians wearing uniforms sold at Army/Navy surplus stores that it begs the question of security... and appropriateness...... So yes, I do agree with you on this and no it's not a trivial issue ... it is in fact a true social issue that needs to be addressed now...

Response by PO2 Katie Bechtel made Jul 20 at 2014 1:19 AM

PO2 Katie Bechtel — Sun, 20 Jul 2014 01:19:34 -0400

It's pt gear, not a uniform. As for wearing a piece of the uniform...maybe her husband is on deployment and it makes her feel closer to him. Maybe she lost him to the war and it keeps her sane. I would wear my baby's old blouse, name & rank still on when he was away. I can honestly say that the people I ran into when doing so knew it was about feeling closer to him. Don't judge what you don't know.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2014 11:58 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:58:02 -0400

My wife wears my fleece jacket here and there because it is cold here in Washington. She doesn't wear nametapes, she doesn't wear rank. She has an older version of the PT shirt that I got at a Goodwill prior to enlisting that she really likes to wear when doing house work. It is something the dependent can get off post on there own and there isn't a policy at Clothing and Sales that stops a dependent from buying uniform parts. For me it should be worn with proper respect. The picture posted by SSG Woods shows a lack of respect. Should someone that isn't military be out walking around in ASUs. No, not at all. When it comes to PT shirts and pants, I don't think it is a problem, long as they don't look like "Peoeple of Wal*Mart standard."

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2014 9:31 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:31:44 -0400

A spouse wearing a pt jacket, wrong. A spouse where a uniform blouse with rank and names on it or even no rank or name, wrong. But a fleece with no rank, no patches, I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not a camo fleece. And that thing is comfy as hell.

Response by CPT Angela Stock made Jul 22 at 2014 4:53 PM

CPT Angela Stock — Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:53:46 -0400

I don't like it, but last time I checked (which was several years back) they sold PT gear and other gear to anyone who wanted one in the PX. Even if you can't get on base you can get one at any army/navy surplus store. Until that stops, we really can't stop them :/

Response by PO1 Eric Corralejo made Jul 24 at 2014 10:18 AM

PO1 Eric Corralejo — Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:18:13 -0400

In 20 years of Naval Service the one thing that was constant was that all of the Sailors I worked for and with were diverse like no other place or business could imagine. This in my opinion is part of the Military's strength. However it is also a part of our weakness some spouses and i have seen both think that this is some how honoring the service or service member. I agree with you buy them something from the Mil Pride section at the Exchange or PX they always have better quality anyway.

Response by SPC Jennifer Warren made Jul 26 at 2014 7:57 AM

SPC Jennifer Warren — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:57:47 -0400

I am a spouse but I was also in the army and after I turned in my TA-50 there was a black sweater and also a green sweater that I was able to keep so yes I do wear it when it is cold, I understand your frustration but what are your views on that I am a spouse but wear my old gear??

Response by SGT Stephen Wanser made Jul 26 at 2014 10:01 AM

SGT Stephen Wanser — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:01:32 -0400

Have you all forgot what it is you are supposedly fighting for? For you to think you have a right to tell a civilian who does not fall under the uniform code of military justice what they can and cannot wear while NOT on a military base...this is not a 1938 in Germany people....get your act together, you guys are disgracing YOUR uniforms by attempting to limit the civilian's rights when you have 0 authority. Uphold the constitution. UPHOLD AND DEFEND, not trample.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2014 10:25 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:25:45 -0400

I don't approve of anyone wearing a military member's uniform, except the member themselves.
Now: I can understand the want to have that "connection" with a member, but to what limit?

My advice, would be to ask the member for a non-functioning (beyond repair/extremely faded) uniform and turn it into a purse or nap sack, have the service members name tape on it still, alignment with the branch stripe on it, that way you can carry it around in a respectful manner without calling unnecessary attention to yourself.
I also find it irritating when contractors (civilians) are where ing pieces of the Navy NWU to work. I understand that the uniform item is thick and durable, but it IS a regulated uniform item. I may not wear the Best looking uniform due to wear and tear, and depending on the job I am working on, but darnit it's my uniform and some civie working 9-5 all pierced up with long hair and a beard shouldn't be able to wear it on a government installation.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2014 3:51 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:51:36 -0400

I think this speaks to a larger issue of family members getting recognition for the service of others. It irritates the crap out of me when I hear people say "I have a (brother, cousin, husband, etc) in the (Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, CG)". I just want to yell "well whoopee for you! What have YOU done for your country?" Yes, family members sacrifice in order to support their service member, and it's okay to be proud of THEIR service, but what i see many dependents doing is beyond pride. They are taking credit or at least something close to it. I get tired of seeing the "Army Wife" stuff. You don't see their husbands wearing shirts that say "base housing daycare provider's husband" It's just a way to draw attention to herself for HIS accomplishments. If you want the recognition, ship yourself off the basic ladies!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2014 8:39 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:39:55 -0400

I believe the soldier should be held accountable sir since it is his/her issued equipment being used against regulation and when the soldier signs for the equipment they agree to take responsibility for the equipment sir. I think that should include uniforms as well sir.

Response by LTC John Duff made Jul 26 at 2014 11:13 PM

LTC John Duff — Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:13:32 -0400

The Army PT uniform is authorized to be mixed with civilian attire therefore spouses may wear that part of the uniform if worn appropriately as advertisement for the Army.

Response by SGT Jessica Russell made Jul 27 at 2014 12:31 AM

SGT Jessica Russell — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:31:53 -0400

Here's the thing, bro. Spouses are not bound to military rules, and I for one, am so unbelievably proud when my spouse chooses to represent the honor of our union, and the strength of our community; with apparel. Who the hell cares? Why is it anyone else's business, and; to the OP, you sound like a mentally manipulative, counter productive, control freak ASSHOLE. Get over yourself.

Response by Cpl Grace Brown made Jul 27 at 2014 4:34 PM

Cpl Grace Brown — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:34:25 -0400

Agreed. I feel like it's disrespectful of the spouse to wear it and the military member to let them. If you can't have pride in what you do and what you stand for, quit. Pack your shit and go away.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2014 10:46 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:46:33 -0400

I cannot believe I am reading this. SSG Woods complaining that somehow a military spouse wearing a P.T. shirt jeopardizes the honor of the U.S military and threatens her “right to wear the uniform.” Is there a policy against that? If so, then I suggest we search every civilian business that sells them to the general public and shut them down. I am guessing that there is not and this is just a way that this spouse is showing her support for her husband. I don’t think she is parading around in full dress uniform pretending to be a soldier. I know there is a policy against that. Then SSG Woods you go on with a personal attack mocking her weight. Is this what the military teaches its soldiers to do? Attack citizens with whom they personally disagree shopping in the market? You explain how educated you are (President Delta Tau Alpha Honor Society) and have earned the right to wear that uniform. I don’t doubt that a bit and I bet that spouse’s husband has earned that right too. How many times have you deployed to combat? In your photo you have a backdrop that appears to be a deployment zone. Is that your “Combat Photo”? Being a CW4 with 28 years in I have four combat tours and still going. I know that there are those with less time in the Army than I and more deployments. Being in Public Affairs I would bet that war is hell remaining on the FOB (assuming you have deployed) taking college courses. The occasional rocket and having the internet shut down from time to time is known for its PTSD effects. Maybe you need to get your head out of academia for a bit and see what “real” soldiers are doing. They work hard, provide for their families and on their off time do what they want. You write that you want to become a SGM and a good leader. I sincerely hope that before that happens you spend some time with the soldiers and understand what it takes to be a good leader. To really be a good one you will need to earn the respect of your soldiers and publicly attacking their spouses with your opinion is not a good way to do it. PAO plays a very important role in the military and has its place. And you, being in a position whose duty it is to publicly represent the soldier need to really think about what is right before you go off and print it to the world. I also hope you find a way to apologize to this family for your incredibly stupid remarks and get it off a public website.

Response by SPC Kathleen Harris made Jul 27 at 2014 10:55 PM

SPC Kathleen Harris — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:55:42 -0400

I have an old WAC Jacket, that doesn't fit me anymore. I gave it to my daughter to wear...it's okay...she refused to take it, it was too ugly for her taste. Is that allowed?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2014 11:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:28:52 -0400

When it's cold, my hubby loves the PT jacket. (Why, I don't know. I hate the noise it makes.)However, he is former Army himself. And he is in pretty good shape. When he shaves, is indistinguishable from every other soldier. No problems here. He also kept his fleece, name tapes and all...and I wear it during the winter over my ACUs. I don't have much comments on spouses that aren't prior service. Doesn't cross my mind unless a see a three-hundred pound woman rocking a PT shirt. The extent of my outrage is, "Eh. So wrong."

Response by PO3 Linda Townsend made Jul 28 at 2014 1:58 PM

PO3 Linda Townsend — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:58:43 -0400

Speaking as a Navy Veteran & as a Marine spouse & sister. I have worn Marine corps PT gear in public,( the track suits) but I also wore it within standards ie my hair in a bun etc. while my husband & sister were both serving at Paris Island as Drill Instructors. I was never told by their CO's etc that I could not wear it on the contrary they appreciated the fact that I carried myself with pride and kept within standards. I just respected the fact that it was a privilege for me to wear it. I do wear some my husband's clothing that only he should wear because he earned ie Martial Arts Ins etc, but he is retired now and when I wear it I wear it with pride and if people ask I tell them it's his. I think it's all about what the spouse wears and if it has a rank on it etc. I don't agree with a rank on a spouse because we don't have a rank. also if the exchange/ PX sells these items for them to wear then you can't really say much to them for wanting to fit in. Sometimes they want to know what it's like or they are just following suit to what others do.

Response by SPC Kolby Sill made Jul 28 at 2014 6:04 PM

SPC Kolby Sill — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:04:56 -0400

Anyone can get army pt gear at the military store off base at any installation. Doesn't necessary mean it is their spouses' uniform. Any other uniform worn by your spouse out in public should be backhanded.

Response by PO3 Jacob Henry made Jul 28 at 2014 6:08 PM

PO3 Jacob Henry — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:08:22 -0400

I would let my wife wear certain pieces of my military uniforms if she respects the uniform and what it stands for.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2014 8:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:26:22 -0400

I have read some of these post on here. What I feel is that if some one wants to stop people (spouses/dependents) then something needs to be done with the shops that sell the uniforms to the civilian public. Being stationed in Alaska for 2 years, I seen a lot of Alaskan National's walking around with the white VB boots all day long. Same thing as a PT shirt. They can go to their neighborhood store and buy this stuff. So if it needs to be stopped for the dependents, then something needs to be done to the stores for the civilians.

However, I also feel that with the quality of the soldier coming out these days, there needs to be more focus on standards of discipline rather than worrying about dependents.

Response by CPL Raymond Copelanddoherty made Jul 29 at 2014 6:38 PM

CPL Raymond Copelanddoherty — Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:38:37 -0400

Really, Guy you are bitching bout that.HaHa! Im laughing at you, although my wife only ever worn my pt shirt. Anything else was a little too much for me. Back to me laughing though. How could you complain bout that, when Ft.Sill seems to have a problem with uniform other than spouses wearing a jacket. How bout yall tell your female soldiers to put their hair up during pt. WOW! Another thing fo yall where pt belts or vests. Also how bout some regulation on what is on the vest or belt, if its rank ok, but badges (not pt badges), and drawings wtf! What Happened to Name and Rank. Come on yall active duty soldiers not some ROTC!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2014 8:30 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:30:09 -0400

Bottom line, they're civilians, so they can wear what they want.

That being said, I would never let my wife wear my uniform components as part of her wardrobe because I feel that it would reflect poorly on us and that it would be tacky, to say the least.

Response by Sgt Randall Ham made Jul 29 at 2014 11:04 PM

Sgt Randall Ham — Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:04:16 -0400

It's up to the man or woman wearing the uniform to police this. They should have enough pride in their uniform and what it represents to know what's right. Personally I would never allow it. 29 years since I served at Parris Island and I still don't let anyone who hasn't earned it wear my DI cover.

Response by CSM Tony Bowen made Jul 30 at 2014 12:05 PM

CSM Tony Bowen — Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:05:22 -0400

Unless things have changed, I'm pretty sure that Soldiers are authorized to wear part of or all of their PTU while in civilian clothes. Been out for three years but I haven't heard of any changes. With that being said and considering I went by AR670-1 it should not be a problem to anyone if the Soldier or the Spouse wears it. Now if we are talking other uniforms I say read the regulations and what is acceptable by Army Standards for the Soldier to do, it should be acceptable for the spouse also. That's just my two cents. I pose two questions to you on the picture that we are using. One) Is that a dependent or are we assuming? 2) If that was a model looking civilian or Soldier and it was a shot from the front would this even be brought up? Just asking!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2014 8:21 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:21:42 -0400

My son is a future soldier and was given a flight top from a friend. When he told me he was going to wear it with his jeans out and about, I immediately told him that he was not authorized to wear that in public. that item was for flight missions only. I also explained to him and provided the regulation that governs the proper wear of the uniform. Even wearing a tan t-shirt with black Army PT shorts is unauthorized. He needs to know before he goes in that there are rules and regulations to be followed, that he represents the Army and people don't see him, they see the Army as a whole based on his behavior/actions and appearance. The PX and clothing store provide many items for the family member to wear to show their support of their serving military member--the SM should step up and redirect their family's military pride in that direction.

Response by SSG Christopher Chartier made Jul 31 at 2014 2:41 PM

SSG Christopher Chartier — Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:41:05 -0400

If you are the type of "soldier" who cares so much about a physical fitness uniform's appearance that it bothers you to see someone walking around in the same sweats, your priorities need to be realigned. That thing should be filthy and covered in sweat every morning when ur done, it isn't a pretty uniform, it's government issued work out clothing so u can't cry about not having any to work out in. They have already been authorized for civilian wear, and you need to get a hobby. Maybe try working out for once instead of pressing your gym shorts. http://www.armystudyguide.com/study-guide-online/online-study-guide.php?cat=41
Seriously, at the very least, study your regulations before complaining. Your embarrassing all of us, not just yourself.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2014 12:00 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:00:40 -0400

The PT t-shirts don't bother me. Unit t-shirts and sweatshirts are ok. Even the thermals if it's cold out I don't mind. Outer parts of the duty uniform, no. Absolutely not. Not OUTSIDE the house anyway...

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Aug 2 at 2014 12:22 AM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:22:18 -0400

As you wear the uniform, you support the rights of those at home to enjoy their freedom. As a former Marine I wouldn't expect the lady to WANT to wear any of my more dressy uniform components (anything that might include my ribbons/medals) but if she wants to run around in PT Gear, I guess Id be happy she was actually PT-ing. That said...Marines weren't wearing any camouflage out in public for a long long time (I don't know if that's changed since I've been out) and I'd suggest maybe its a matter of perspective...most Marines eye roll the idea of any camo being worn off base other than to-and-from-work, and we find the service-members themselves looking sloppy in it. I also might interject the general fashion rule about not wearing what you quite obviously do not fit into. Generally if dependants are wearing any of these things, its a tribute to your service, and in my opinion should be worn in a much more respectful manner than I sometimes see...but I wouldn't ban them from wearing it at all.

Im going to add that if the wife is running around town, and she is a Hottie, she probably doesn't look as sloppy in your gear, and if she is instead a plumper, then your issues are more severe than her fashion.

Response by SPC Garrett Muttart made Aug 2 at 2014 11:46 AM

SPC Garrett Muttart — Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:46:41 -0400

I've seen civilian personnel wearing complete uniforms around here looking for handouts. So where does the OK its fine for my spouse or siblings to where it around town stop? I now work for the NOSe and were not allowed to where our government issued uniforms out on the town. Take pride in your uniform you earned the right to wear. And then with all the hostility now a days do you really want to make a loved one a target? The whole reason you don't wear your uniform around town is so you don't stand out in a crowd. It's like training in a field environment and an officer getting rather heated because he or she wasn't saluted, to which I would retort sniper check..... usually got a rise out of the officer but that was the point. Don't bring uneeded attention to yourself or your loved ones is just good OPSEC!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2014 5:17 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 05:17:34 -0400

My husband use to be in so I'm glad he doesn't try to wear pieces of my uniform. I guess he just knows better. Some spouse are proud to their soldier but doesn't know its inappropriate to wear pieces of the uniform. Also there is so many spouses doing it, a new soldier may see it as the "norm" and not stop their spouse.

Response by MSgt Kelli Simpson made Aug 4 at 2014 3:59 AM

MSgt Kelli Simpson — Mon, 04 Aug 2014 03:59:14 -0400

I am all for tradition, however, one thing that chapped me the most was when the Fighter Wives would turn flight suits into stripper dresses and parade around in about a quarter of the flight suit and 6 inch heels. My eyes would hurt from rolling as they would prance around all drunk and trying to hang on anyone that they could get their claws into.

Response by CSM Tony Bowen made Aug 28 at 2014 10:27 AM

CSM Tony Bowen — Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:27:21 -0400

12–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation,
unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off
the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an allpurpose
uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.

Response by Cpl Matthew Wall made Sep 1 at 2014 5:53 PM

Cpl Matthew Wall — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:53:42 -0400

I think this comes down to the specific branch. In the Marine Corps we can't wear cammies or pt gear outside of the base. However, in the Army you can wear whatever you want and go where ever you want outside of the base. Now I know that there are Marine WAGS that wear dress blue coats and so forth, but don't see a lot of them wearing it around in public. I think if they see their husbands or boyfriends doing it then they think it is ok to wear pt gear outside of base.

Response by SPC Frederick Jameson made Jan 1 at 2015 7:36 AM

SPC Frederick Jameson — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 07:36:12 -0500

Army vet

Response by 1SG Bobbie Dobbins made Jan 1 at 2015 8:43 AM

1SG Bobbie Dobbins — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:43:06 -0500

It drives me crazy.....the spouses were not deployed in a dangerous area ..they were at home shopping...having lunch with friends and complaining how hs rd they have it....give me s break.....dual military and the kids were with grandparents because both of us were deployed. ...stop wearing the uniform.....you did not earn it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 9:24 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 09:24:24 -0500

the grey army pt shirt is replicated and sold in many army surplus stores and so are the pt pants/jacket. I understand the whole "you didn't earn it dont wear it" concept when it comes to service uniform with name tapes, rank, and/or unit crest but some of yall getting butt hurt about a t shirt you can find at the salvation store. bottom line, if you dont know if the person wearing it is a spouse or an actual retired soldier that "earned" his things, your just speculating. if it doesnt violate a military base dress code "on base" or violate any laws "off base" hate it all you want you cant do anything about it. a sanitized fleece is just a fleece.

Response by PFC David Mills made Jan 1 at 2015 10:54 AM

PFC David Mills — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:54:36 -0500

Sometimes it's at the request of the soldier as a means to show support and to give them the extra push to stay sharp and get home.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 12:35 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 12:35:12 -0500

They serve at home and support their spouses by taking care of the family while we are deployed. While I can agree that they are not actively serving by being in harms way but they are just as proud of us for doing so for them, our families and ultimately our country.

Response by 1LT Dustin Broek made Jan 1 at 2015 5:35 PM

1LT Dustin Broek — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:35:48 -0500

My wife never wore any part of my uniforms but if she wanted to I wouldn’t have stopped her. I deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan five times with the 2nd Ranger BN when I was enlisted. Each time she stayed home with little information about what I was doing or where I was at. She would receive notification from the FRG about injuries and deaths with no communication from me. When I could call and talk to her I couldn’t talk about anything that had happened or what I had experienced. I can’t imagine the stress and terror she experienced. You go ahead babe and wear whatever you want.

Response by PO3 Robert Patrick made Jan 1 at 2015 8:33 PM

PO3 Robert Patrick — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:33:08 -0500

Well said

Response by CPL Darrell Meadows made Jan 1 at 2015 10:59 PM

CPL Darrell Meadows — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:59:31 -0500

Cause camo is sexy

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 11:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:22:19 -0500

Up here at Drum, SMs are authorized to wear fleeces, gortex, etc. when in civilian attire (all name tapes and rank must be removed of course). It's a bit odd but authorized, I think it has to do with the extreme climate up here but I still can't help but wince every time I see a soldier in Walmart wearing jeans, a gortex, and a pt cap.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 1:37 AM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 01:37:11 -0500

I could not agree more with this post. Want to claim something? Take the oath.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 8:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:46:51 -0500

Hello,
I understand how some spouses feel being that I was one. I got it that some of them feel that the are serving too. not quite true spouses in all reality you are supporting your spouse thru whatever he or she is going thru in what ever branch. However that does not give you the right to wear the uniform any which way you can. Honestly you take pride when the 1st and 15th come around so why can't you take some pride if you are going to prance around in one of your spouses uniforms. Take some pride in that. He or she is the one doing the hard work you are that home support system. face the truth about it. You don't like it raise your hand and change it. it is 2015 A New Beginning.

Response by PO3 Stephanie Grawcock made Jan 2 at 2015 10:55 AM

PO3 Stephanie Grawcock — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 10:55:18 -0500

When you are MARRIED to someone in the Armed Forces, you are part of the Armed Forces family, you my sweet darling of a troll are not in fact part of the military and therefore should not be wearing the uniform that was ISSUED to me in boot camp. Get out of here.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 11:34 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 11:34:02 -0500

I really dont think it matters... my wife Has taken photos in blues coat... she doesnt claim to have served

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 11:46 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 11:46:21 -0500

I have no problem with my wife walking around in a jacket if there is no rank or military affiliation displayed on it. But I do have an issue with spouses saying "we" are in the military unless they are both actually serving. It is one of the biggest issues I have with military spouses. You support those serving but you do not really serve. If you did you would not need to be told anything about how the military works and they probably wouldn't have the family support centers because those of us actually serving don't have enough time to explain and reexplain once they change everything.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 12:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 12:00:31 -0500

I seriously don't get that. Old Navy sells better jackets for less than $20. And they don't look as bad as your spouse's over sided fugly fleece.

Response by PO3 Don Schaum made Jan 2 at 2015 7:13 PM

PO3 Don Schaum — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:13:43 -0500

Get a grip

Response by PO2 Thomas Jones made Jan 2 at 2015 8:33 PM

PO2 Thomas Jones — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 20:33:07 -0500

Agreed!
How about certain singers and their interpretation of how the national anthem should be presented??!!!! Insulting

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 9:28 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:28:37 -0500

Is it that big of deal. Is it in public? Outside of closed doors?

Response by PFC Ron Cattera made Jan 3 at 2015 8:49 AM

PFC Ron Cattera — Sat, 03 Jan 2015 08:49:48 -0500

Get over it. It is what it is. It makes me sad to see our military men and women wearing uniforms and representing the country in places they should not be such as the middle east.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Jan 4 at 2015 2:38 AM

SSG Tim Everett — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 02:38:40 -0500

My (ex-) wife, a former soldier herself, knew better.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 8 at 2015 2:56 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:56:22 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member, I can promise you that my wife has never, ever worn any of my Army gear, and it's not even because I forbid it. She never had any desire to do so and never did. Ever.

Response by SFC(P) Tobias M. made Jan 22 at 2015 12:48 PM

SFC(P) Tobias M. — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:48:40 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member the spouse my not be subject to AR670-1 but the SM is. If you see that the spouse is with the SM you can make an on the spot correction. If the spouse is alone there is nothing that you can do as he/she is not in the service and you never know. They could have went to an Army Surplus store and purchased that very item.

Response by SPC Maxwell McManus made Apr 22 at 2015 12:46 AM

SPC Maxwell McManus — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:46:02 -0400

Take it not as disrespect. Although I do not disragard the fact that at times it does appear to be that way. I ask you look past it and ask yourself. What has that family been through and what might they be going through? If you had a child and they asked to were mommy's or daddy's cover would you slap the child and say, "How dare you disrespect that uniform!" No you would not so why do you jump so eagerly to shout disrepect at this? Am I, a disabled veteran, shameful to you because I no longer keep a high and tight but still wear my dog tags so that I may remember the amazing life I lived as a soldier? I guess my point is this. Everyone is going to say that they earned the right to wear that uniform. That is a lie, they earned the right to be an american soldier. Uniform or not that is what they should be proud of. Take pride in the lives you protect, save, and remember the lives that you couldn't. Honor the values you swore to uphold. Never go back on the oath you took. In doing all those things we demonstraight the soldiers we are and can be. It is when we stop doing those things that we lose the right to call ourselves American soldiers.

Response by SGT S Sharpless made Apr 23 at 2015 1:32 PM

SGT S Sharpless — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:32:44 -0400

I personally don't like it and its inappropriate. I would never let my husband walk around in parts of my uniform that he has no business wearing or the right to wear. When I see the spouses who do this I think to myself...
"Hmmm you couldn't find anything else in your closet to wear"
"You let your wife come out in your pt uniform, wtf."
"REALLY?!"
These are things that I think of because its just ridiculous.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Oct 7 at 2015 11:05 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 23:05:03 -0400

Myvwife wears MOPP 4 gear shopping SSG Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2015 11:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 23:16:12 -0400

Fleece, PT's among other item are authorized for wear with civilian clothes by service members so why not spouses

Response by SFC Stephen King made Nov 2 at 2015 11:40 AM

SFC Stephen King — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:40:25 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member This is common I am also not in favor of the practice. However, their freedom is what we fight for. I am encouraged by your view and glad to see that the pride I have is being paid forward.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Nov 2 at 2015 11:42 AM

Capt Mark Strobl — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:42:39 -0500

Taking this scenario at prima face, there's no harm. Maybe they just buried their uncle and their aunt gave away his old jackets? Who knows? At the end of the day, they weren't "poising." They weren't causing trouble. They're just kids... Certainly, their fashion statement doesn't jibe with our personal/professional standards. But, that's not our issue.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Nov 2 at 2015 11:46 AM

SSG Warren Swan — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:46:15 -0500

Remember not to get wrapped up in the BS. If you get torqued looking at this, you're the one that's going to pay for it with unessicary internal agression. You spoke on it, and expressed your feelings, and frankly, you did a LOT better than many of the yahoo's who are hell bent on "making em famous" who have a lot more rank on their chests.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Nov 2 at 2015 11:49 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:49:01 -0500

If it's on a military member it's called a uniform, if it's on a civilian, its called clothing.
There are no "rules" for clothing, and in many states few rules for a lack of clothing...lol
Unless the civilian is attempting to portray a US military member by wearing the uniform item... who cares, it's just a piece of cloth, the person bearing it is what makes it a uniform.

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Nov 2 at 2015 11:52 AM

Cpl James Waycasie — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:52:44 -0500

I wore an old Army shirt for a jacket in High school. It belonged to my Vietnam Vet Cousin.. He gave it to me and told me to wear it with pride of what he had done. I wasn't trying to play off I was anything. It was considered "cool" to wear one in 1978 and no one was trying to pass off any stolen valor or anything. Actually it promoted conversations about the military because most students that wore one also knew stories from the family member that gave it to them. I joined the U.S.M.C. in 1979 and earned my own uniforms and stories. My brother ( 12 years younger) would wear my long wool dress coat to school. Corporal chevrons and one hash mark. This sparked conversations about the Marines and stories I had shared with him. Two of his friends later joined the Corps. Maybe that helped influence them. As long as they are not trying to steal honor or pass themselves off as the real deal, what is the harm?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2015 11:53 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 11:53:33 -0500

Well, it is an old BDU blouse so they aren't trying for any "perks" as it were. While I do not personally like it when those that haven't earned it wear the uniform in any way shape or form, but in this kind of case it is their right to do so. Oxymoron in a way what I just said, but thems the beans nowadays.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 2:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:33:14 -0500

Right of the top as a casual thing, no.
My wife has never asked and i only offered once, after a wedding reception while waiting for a taxi when the temperature dropped more than twenty degrees. I'll take the hit for letting her wear my dress blues jacket.
Truth be told I feel bad wearing BDUs when working around the house and no one's used those in a decade.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2015 7:45 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:45:30 -0500

This question popped back up in my e-mail digest. I revisited my original response. I have a slightly different take now.

I seriously don't care. If it makes the spouse, dependent, family member, boy/girlfriend happy and the Soldier doesn't care, why should I? They're not guilty of stolen valor. They're wearing something that associates them with their loved ones military service. It's a symbol of pride, of a common culture, and the concept of the Citizen Soldier drawn from the common populace rather than a separate warrior caste.

So, I wholeheartedly support pink haired girls in ponytails wearing the APFU jacket and pants.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 15 at 2015 8:22 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 20:22:54 -0500

No...

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 15 at 2015 8:28 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 15 Nov 2015 20:28:54 -0500

Its not very professional looking and inappropriate.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 3:59 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:59:29 -0500

My wife will, on occasion, wear some of my old, obsolete items (ie BDU field jacket or black fleece) in public. As long as the item is no longer in use by the military, I don't see an issue with it.

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 27 at 2016 9:10 AM

Maj John Bell — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:10:10 -0400

Its not that I am not proud of my service, but the only uniform items I wore when I got out were green wool socks, PT socks, U-trou, and Green T's, and then only around the house. I don't even have bumper stickers on my truck. Never wore my combat boots after EAS. I just figure I'm not sacrificing anymore. I don't mind service members wearing issue items within certain limitations, its just not for me. But I don't like it when those who haven't served wear it like its some sort of fashion statement.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 11:00 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:00:37 -0400

I'm out of the army and I wear a lot of my old shit in public I have a construction company and they make good work clothes my wife is active duty Air Force and wears parts of MY old PT uniform nothing that's part of the new one because that's what I wear to work out in but then again I'm out of the army and I don't see a problem in wearing retired uniforms

Response by Wendy Bouridou made Apr 20 at 2017 11:14 PM

Wendy Bouridou — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:14:13 -0400

First off.. i would never sport my spouses issued items in the public. But after his 20 plus year carreer, when away for weeks, months at a time he will leave something so i can feel close to him while hes gone. Especially on deployments. Jackets no, pt wear, no.... a hoodie yes and a few other items and a t shirt that smells like him i do cuddle with on lonely nights.

Response by LCpl Celina Virginia made Apr 29 at 2017 6:49 PM

LCpl Celina Virginia — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 18:49:34 -0400

Or they can be a female Veteran who's not as lean but twice as mean, wearing their own shit in Public. Just because she has a vagina doesn't mean she didn't serve. Stop assuming every chick is a dependa.

Response by Brennan Wells made Jul 14 at 2017 4:10 PM

Brennan Wells — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:10:08 -0400

As a former dependent (21 years, through college), I have a number of my dad's old gear. My favorite is his old M65 field jacket. No rank, no insignia other than a name tape and USAF. The other one in my dad's USAFA field coart from class of '64. I don't feel like I'm misappropriating gear, much less borrowing his rank or position. I like to wear them to USAFA football games to show my support for him , and for the AF.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2017 9:06 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 09:06:39 -0400

This is a simple case of stay in your own lane. You can't control what the family members of a SM does. What I allow my wife or child to do is none of your concern. If I'm not breaking a regulation by letting them wear something that they can legally go buy on their own then what business is it of yours? If your concern is about whether they have "earned it" or not then you need to put that to rest right now. Military families earn way more than they're ever given credit for. With out her and what she does day in and day out, I wouldn't be able to do what I do. So, if my wife wants to wear my fleece and that bothers you, just look the other way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 1:12 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:12:13 -0400

If a spouse had had to live life, while ur on deployment, or they have to live with certain restrictions, if u have a secret job, so they. Any know anything about what u do for a living, children have to go a year or two without seeing the parent, and then are expected to integrate relatively quickly, I think they have earned alittle leaway

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 1:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:18:55 -0400

No issues as long as uniform does not have rank or tags; anyone can buy PTs. But, who on their right mind would like to wear Army PTs?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 1:39 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:39:44 -0400

I won't let mine wear my uniform items, but if she wants to wear the hoodie with my unit logo on it then that is fine. She is just as much part of that family as I am.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2017 2:06 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:06:17 -0400

Lighten up. In the AF regs, the fleece and PT jacket are both acceptable to wear with civilian clothing (provided you remove name/rank patches), and both can be purchased through civilian channels, so I'd struggle to find the BFD here. If it really bothers you that much, then the problem is probably with you... and you need to figure out how to get over it.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Sep 19 at 2017 3:30 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:30:22 -0400

@ SSG V. Michelle Woods; it's like the Preacher orating to the choir the same ol'-
Same ol' sermon.. most are nodding off..

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Sep 19 at 2017 3:38 PM

SGM Joel Cook — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:38:48 -0400

My wife doesn't like to wear those kinds of uniforms so not an issue. However she does like some gear that serves a purpose. She specifically asked me to buy her a military camouflage rain jacket from clothing sales, for use camping, fishing, hunting etc. Technically I guess that is out in public as we often go camping with friends. The second bit of gear she asked me to get her is the mosquito headnet. She has three of those. No rules against this type of wear so if it bothers you that is just unfortunate. Unfortunately my wife gets 1000 mosquito bites to my one. As far as military family members wearing PT T-Shirts or jackets it doesn't bother me at all as long as they are clean and presentable. I am not a fan of any civilian wearing a field or dress uniform, for that matter. However since there are no laws prohibiting it as long as US Army nameplate has been removed, I will just deal with it. For a while around 2005 every kid in Killeen High School was wearing a BDU shirt to school periodically. It was a fad and they got over it mostly. My son commented that many kids just grabbed their parents BDU shirt out of the closet and wore it to school with US Army nameplate, airborne badges and like items still attached. Eventually the ROTC instructor put the word out to all teachers that this was unauthorized wear for civilians and shortly after it subsided.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Sep 19 at 2017 4:10 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:10:22 -0400

'Scuse me Michelle, I sneezed and hit that post icon:
I've been home on in leave in the past
and been to the mall in Uniform with my woman friend on my arm .. we'd be walking around and I've seen a soldier out of uniform.. blouse unbuttoned, cover stuck in his pocket like a kerchief.. I hessitate saying anything .. not my branch of service.. Prob'ly just flip me off.. I'll chance it.. First I make sure my AF uniform is properly buttoned(pockets).. I hand off my AF bomber jacket with my leather name patch to my lady and go over to them.. And nice like I say with some sternness thrown in : Do you think Pfcs that you could tuck your shirt in and button your blouse properly and look more soldierly and act more soldierly and take your cover out of back pocket that's hanging like a farmer's kerchief and store it properly? They look me up an' down and across and The niceness has gone out of my eyes.. I'm waiting.. Then I see him coming... he's sprinting now.. and he arrives.. I step back, they're all his now..
he's a CSM.. with a rack of ribbons like Audy Murphy... He tore them a new opening in their carcasses and did it w/o raising his voice above a whisper. Then he stood back as they straightened themself out. And then the CSM is back in their ear again.. and steps back.. the
First pfc spoke up: I apologize SSG for my improper behavior and sloppy uniform, please forgive me SSG and I'll be on my
way .. the 2d pfc gave me basically the same line.. and went off and joined his comrade.. the CSM said he was embarrassed by their uniforms and their behavior.. and apologized.. No CSM, No apology from you, it's their immediate leader that's responsible for their cutting up, if he had done his job, they wouldn't have done what they done.. Oh, by the way SSG we don't where our cover indoors.. I didn't argue.. he backed me up.. (in the AF, courtyards, even indoors are considered outdoors in the Malls, unless that's been changed... they were considered out of doors back in the 70's and 80's. We continued our walk heading down to where we entered by J.C. Penny's. My friend had stuffed my bomber jacket in the shopping bag..
I just left it there..

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Sep 19 at 2017 4:14 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:14:08 -0400

I meant wear not where .. darn word correct again !

Response by SSG Steven McDanield made Sep 20 at 2017 4:23 PM

SSG Steven McDanield — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:23:58 -0400

You know, This has gone on forever. Remember, Don't sweat the petty stuff, but its OK to pet the sweaty stuff.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Aug 9 at 2019 12:36 PM

SFC Tracy Scott — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:36:03 -0400

For me this is a big NOGO, but of course it happened multiple times around the house and mainly was a pt shirt, while I was deployed.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2019 12:07 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Oct 2019 00:07:10 -0400

What about when you are in public and she gets cold and you have nothing else? Is it disrespectful to let her borrow you uniform jacket for a couple minutes until you get to the car? I just need to know what is wrong with that we left the house right after drill and she wasnt expecting it to be cold and when we left the movie it was really cold so I let her wear my jacket and some lady ripped it off of her and said she was disrespecting the uniform.

Response by SSgt Paula L Glover made Nov 15 at 2019 10:54 AM

SSgt Paula L Glover — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:54:53 -0500

Family SHOULD NOT WEAR any of the military clothing.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Sep 1 at 2021 3:48 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:48:01 -0400

Interesting question, sergeant, now let me ask you three questions:

Have you ever read the law that prohibits civilians from wearing military uniforms (yes, there really is one)

Do you even know what items are prohibited for civilians (I assume not, since you are having a hissy fit over PT jackets which are NOT legally uniforms despite being included in AR 670-1)

Are you even sure that the "PT Jacket" you saw someone wearing was an issue item (not the identical item available from several retailers) and that the person was a spouse (not a service member wearing it improperly, or perhaps a veteran or other civilian). Was the jacket issued, or bought from the PX for $65, or on Amazon for $55, or bought used for $30 (same jacket all these ways).

I'm glad you married a slave, but most soldiers wives and dependents are not nearly as subservient as you imagine.

Spouses and dependents wearing military gear on post may well be inappropriate and perhaps even contrary to some installation or unit policy, but I greatly doubt that there is any installation or unit where this "problem" is the most significant issue limiting military readiness and effectiveness.