Statistically speaking, which training center has more recorded training-related deaths, JRTC or NTC?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 May 2016 12:15:33 -0400

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2016 12:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 May 2016 12:50:13 -0400

I have yet to attend training at either of these, but I'm headed to JRTC in a few months so I'm interested to see some of these answers. So far, I've heard of at least 4 deaths at JRTC since 2000 from friends of mine who were there when they happened.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2016 12:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 May 2016 12:51:38 -0400

This is a tough one. I was at NTC as a Medical OC for 2 years during my time there were two training related
deaths. But we also had several OC
deaths that were non training related so training deaths was low
but non training was higher. Its tough to say probrably need more data to confirm.

Response by CPT Joseph K Murdock made May 15 at 2016 2:09 PM

CPT Joseph K Murdock — Sun, 15 May 2016 14:09:34 -0400

The only reason I would pick NTC is its trees, underbrush, and swamps.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made May 15 at 2016 2:24 PM

1LT William Clardy — Sun, 15 May 2016 14:24:05 -0400

Speaking from experience, the NTC in its early years averaged at least one death per rotation (and that wasn't even counting the traffic fatalities on Irwin Road), so I'd say it's got the JRTC beat hands-down.

Response by SPC Cedar Bristol made Nov 10 at 2016 12:21 PM

SPC Cedar Bristol — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:21:18 -0500

I was just googling this because I talked to someone who was there (NTC) in the early 70's and told of a single training exercise that killed something in the neighborhood of 10 soldiers. Can anybody help with links or pointers as to where I would go to look for documentation of that?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2018 2:41 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 May 2018 02:41:36 -0400

We had 4 die at the rotation that I went on. In separate accidents. And a few soldiers lost fingers and stuff like that.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Nov 9 at 2018 3:09 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:09:21 -0500

Use the power of the CAC and go to the Army Readiness Center aka the Army Safety Center and pull stats.

My inclination would be NTC has more due to more vehicles rolling. JRTC has airborne operations which may skew it. I was OPFOR 94-98 and we had a few deaths, mostly Blufor. 92 was a bad year, I believe that was the Brad platoon that flipped over of the Colorado wash. Several TCs killed among others. During my time: Several rollovers. OC crushed by an AVLB. Augmentee 5 ton rammed an ambulance head on in Barstow rd at EOM killed the medic. Two OCs earned Soldiers Medals trying to save a tanker trapped in the drivers compartment during a vehicle fire. Crew bailed and left him.

Preponderance if deaths were POVs on 10 mile stretch.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Nov 9 at 2018 3:45 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:45:18 -0500

Excuse me - Photograph not of either NTC or JRTC.
That would be the ITC (Iraqi Traning Center)