Teaching about NCOERs in WLC/ALC?

2014-02-02T03:19:10-05:00

I am Curious about how everyone feels about the amount of (or lack of) training/information that is provided to up and coming soldiers/NCOs in ALC and WLC about NCOERs...

I have been through both and have at most received 2 hours on NCOERs. These are a large part of a NCOs carreer progression and its hardly covered. I have not learned anything about writing them, and nothing (in the NCOES's) that tell me what my rights/responsibilities are. Anyone else feel the same way?

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Feb 2 at 2014 5:45 AM

2014-02-02T05:45:26-05:00

I understand and share your frustrations. I do believe that there should be training on the Evaluation process in WLC and especially in ALC. I am a little bit dated because I attended PLDC and BNCOC and we did not have anything like that back in the day. It was mostly trial and error and a lot of research the first time you wrote an evaluation. With that being said, if you want, drop me a email ( [login to see] )and I will be happy to shoot you some training material that may be useful to you.

Response by MSG Michael Shannon made Mar 9 at 2014 10:47 AM

2014-03-09T10:47:18-04:00

SGT,

I manage an AKO suite in my free time (between
22-2400). Go to AKO and do a search for
"The NCO Room" (no "" in the search). In there you will find a WLC Preparation
folder that will have some NCOER Training in for your unit. You will also find a leadership mentorship
SOP and WLC Preparation CMP/POI that I developed to assist Soldiers at the unit
level prior to attending training. I
agree that training of this nature is done at the institutional level however
ownership does need to be placed on unit leadership. These schools are only so long and cannot
teach a Soldier everything they need to know.
It is up to us as NCOs to take ownership of our Soldiers and truly
Coach, Counsel and Mentor them. We must
be first in line to expand our sphere of influence. A Soldier who writes an NCOER will only write
one as well as their predecessors. Here
are some tips with your own career with regard to your NCOER. Look at the rated blocks and pick a project
that will give you quality / quantity bullets (Volunteer at a shelter, build on
the products in my AKO suite and present them to your leadership, etc…). Don’t
wait till E6 to work on being an E7, the board will see NCOERs from your E5
days. Ensure you cooperate in the writing
of your NCOER and be sure nothing is missed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2014 1:44 PM

2014-08-05T13:44:57-04:00

I know that this is an old thread, however I want to add some information that may help.

Some steps to get classes added to any NCOES are to contact the training developer for the course. Each MOS has a Center of Excellence that is responsible for designing the material that is taught in the NCOES class.

Another way is to completely fill out the end of course critiques that the course has. I have gone and spoken with a few 25C ALC classes, and they tell me what is good and what is bad about the course. However, when my section reviews the EOCCs, there is no suggestions or feedback at all. Many times, without comments training developers can not justify to the Centers of Excellence or TRADOC improvements that should be made.

Finally, critical task site selection boards (CTSSB) are another way to influence change in the NCOES course. The downfall to this is that many of the surveys that are sent out about the MOS are ignored. How sad is it that a 10% response is considered a good goal when each person within a MOS is sent the survey.