The Conscious-Incompetent https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A conscious-incompetent is a person who is aware of his or her own shortcomings. To those who think this can only be negative, pull up a chair, because conscious incompetence does not have to be a bad thing.<br /><br />To qualify my observation, I have my experiences. First, I was prior enlisted (4 years) which doesn’t always equal better. However, I made mistakes and learned a lot, so it was a good thing. Second, I spent most of time as a LT (O1 and O2) filling CPT (O3) billets. Third, I pinned CPT in January of 2007 and then left Active Duty where I joined the National Guard. This prolonged my time as a CPT already, and then I transferred to another unit where promotion rates are slow. That said, I have been a CPT for 8 years and served in CPT billets for 10 years. Those years combined with experience as a SGI and service in 7 different brigades and 8 different divisions gives me a large depth of experience.<br /><br /> I began as an active critic of incompetence, but over time I have shifted to be a passive critic of arrogance. I will assume everyone understands that both (incompetence and arrogance) occur at different degrees. I have met great leaders who were incompetent, but what distinguished them from the not-so-great was their character and disposition towards others. There are ways that shortcomings in competence can be overcome.<br /><br /> First, I have seen some leaders find themselves in situations where they did not have sufficient understanding for whatever reason. The path to success came through admitting to the right audience that they didn’t know what that needed or should know. The way in which obstacles and barriers were overcome was by the leader seeking education through self-development and enlisting advisers.<br /><br /> Second, I have seen some leaders find themselves situations where they realized, due to limitations of time or intellectual capacity, they would never understand. The path to success came through the leader leveraging those who could understand to advise and inform his or her decisions. Despite these leaders’ “incompetence” they actually demonstrated their ability (competence) in leading an organization by leveraging the people they lead.<br /><br /> Learning (self and organizational development) and leading (influencing and leveraging others) are things we look for from all leaders. These basic skills paired with humility can help an incompetent leader attain competency through Mission Command. From these leaders, I learned the value of humility. Humility is one those things we discussed with students in the Captain’s Career Course. Great leaders may have great confidence but their confidence is only justified if it is obtained by starting a process with humility. The reason conscious-competent leaders sometimes fail is because they may be micromanaging and/or they have shut down the internal feedback and initiative desired in great organizations. If a conscious-competent leader misses the opportunity to learn from others due to arrogance, it can cause a leader to never realize his or her ignorance. Lack of insight can increase chances of a mistake, and lack of feedback can result in missing opportunities to make a course correction on the way to disaster. <br /><br />A historical example: We can’t be sure about what occurred during conversations between General Lee and General Longstreet at Gettysburg. What we know is General Longstreet’s advice against General Lee’s plan to attack up the middle of the Union’s line. General Lee’s plan involved General Longstreet marching his men across a long, open field and up a hill to a well-defended Union line. Many theorized that the arrogance of the conscious and very competent General Lee caused him to disregard very good advice. Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:42:59 -0400 The Conscious-Incompetent https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A conscious-incompetent is a person who is aware of his or her own shortcomings. To those who think this can only be negative, pull up a chair, because conscious incompetence does not have to be a bad thing.<br /><br />To qualify my observation, I have my experiences. First, I was prior enlisted (4 years) which doesn’t always equal better. However, I made mistakes and learned a lot, so it was a good thing. Second, I spent most of time as a LT (O1 and O2) filling CPT (O3) billets. Third, I pinned CPT in January of 2007 and then left Active Duty where I joined the National Guard. This prolonged my time as a CPT already, and then I transferred to another unit where promotion rates are slow. That said, I have been a CPT for 8 years and served in CPT billets for 10 years. Those years combined with experience as a SGI and service in 7 different brigades and 8 different divisions gives me a large depth of experience.<br /><br /> I began as an active critic of incompetence, but over time I have shifted to be a passive critic of arrogance. I will assume everyone understands that both (incompetence and arrogance) occur at different degrees. I have met great leaders who were incompetent, but what distinguished them from the not-so-great was their character and disposition towards others. There are ways that shortcomings in competence can be overcome.<br /><br /> First, I have seen some leaders find themselves in situations where they did not have sufficient understanding for whatever reason. The path to success came through admitting to the right audience that they didn’t know what that needed or should know. The way in which obstacles and barriers were overcome was by the leader seeking education through self-development and enlisting advisers.<br /><br /> Second, I have seen some leaders find themselves situations where they realized, due to limitations of time or intellectual capacity, they would never understand. The path to success came through the leader leveraging those who could understand to advise and inform his or her decisions. Despite these leaders’ “incompetence” they actually demonstrated their ability (competence) in leading an organization by leveraging the people they lead.<br /><br /> Learning (self and organizational development) and leading (influencing and leveraging others) are things we look for from all leaders. These basic skills paired with humility can help an incompetent leader attain competency through Mission Command. From these leaders, I learned the value of humility. Humility is one those things we discussed with students in the Captain’s Career Course. Great leaders may have great confidence but their confidence is only justified if it is obtained by starting a process with humility. The reason conscious-competent leaders sometimes fail is because they may be micromanaging and/or they have shut down the internal feedback and initiative desired in great organizations. If a conscious-competent leader misses the opportunity to learn from others due to arrogance, it can cause a leader to never realize his or her ignorance. Lack of insight can increase chances of a mistake, and lack of feedback can result in missing opportunities to make a course correction on the way to disaster. <br /><br />A historical example: We can’t be sure about what occurred during conversations between General Lee and General Longstreet at Gettysburg. What we know is General Longstreet’s advice against General Lee’s plan to attack up the middle of the Union’s line. General Lee’s plan involved General Longstreet marching his men across a long, open field and up a hill to a well-defended Union line. Many theorized that the arrogance of the conscious and very competent General Lee caused him to disregard very good advice. MAJ Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:42:59 -0400 2015-07-06T14:42:59-04:00 Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jul 6 at 2015 2:45 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795121&urlhash=795121 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Enlightening! Thanks for sharing! SCPO David Lockwood Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:45:22 -0400 2015-07-06T14:45:22-04:00 Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jul 6 at 2015 2:51 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795131&urlhash=795131 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Very true and demonstrated almost daily....the best leaders understand their own limits and surround themselves with professionals that have the expertise in areas they might be lacking. CSM Michael J. Uhlig Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:51:12 -0400 2015-07-06T14:51:12-04:00 Response by MSG Brad Sand made Jul 6 at 2015 3:07 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795153&urlhash=795153 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes Sir. MSG Brad Sand Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:07:12 -0400 2015-07-06T15:07:12-04:00 Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 3:08 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795155&urlhash=795155 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s necessary to understand your own and other&#39;s capabilities and determine what you and others will do as a leader. <br /><br />&quot;I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent — their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy — they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent — he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.” -Von Hammerstein-Equord COL Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:08:16 -0400 2015-07-06T15:08:16-04:00 Response by SFC Terry Clay made Jul 6 at 2015 3:19 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795180&urlhash=795180 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have veterans from all branches and all walks of life show up at my door with some of the most amazing questions. Some you can answer right away, others require some digging. I learned my first year working here in the VA, that I don&#39;t know all the answers, but just like with Rally Point, I have surrounded myself with people that I can reach out to for answers. I simply refuse to pass the buck. SFC Terry Clay Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:19:00 -0400 2015-07-06T15:19:00-04:00 Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 6 at 2015 3:35 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795235&urlhash=795235 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="84196" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/84196-11a-infantry-officer-jfhq-la-milpac-region-v">MAJ Private RallyPoint Member</a>, thank you for posting such a well thought out question with significant background. <br />I too was enlisted before becoming a commissioned officer and learned from my own mistakes and others. I served as a Captain from 1984 to 1993, ,as a Major from 1993 until 2000, and as a Lieutenant Colonel from 2000 until 2008. I saw many people promoted around me and a number who left the service who were very capable but frustrated with various aspects of the personnel system primarily. <br />Most people excel at one of more things. The best leaders I have worked with a for new their own strengths and weaknesses and new the strengths and weaknesses of those who supported or worked directly for them. Good leaders seek advice, incorporate or reject that advice, make decisions in timely fashion while giving subordinates time to plan [1/3 to 2/3 rule], adjust the plan as necessary during execution and support subordinates including providing guidance and direction before, during and after the execution. <br />Unfortunately, I have seen a number of soldiers who were promoted above their level of competence and floundered at that higher level. I saw this more in the USAR after 9/1/2001. For some reason the Army decided that certain groups of people were not represented in sufficient numbers at the higher levels of primarily commissioned field grade and senior NCO's to a lesser extent. I saw one fellow officer who was promoted to Colonel who excelled at preparation for and coordination of high profile events but who had very few other skills. She had a wonderful promotion ceremony in the Hall of Heroes in the Pentagon and after that had no significant duties or accomplishments. Another officer was promoted to Colonel at roughly the same time. A couple years later he was convicted of defrauding the government by claiming BAQ and TDY while living with his sister nearby and claiming that he was staying far enough away and commuting from a distance that justified TDY. <br />Neither of these officers that I served with was outwardly a bad officer. We served together in the Pentagon following 9/1//2001. I was mobilized soon afterwards and the others had extended TTADs after their mobilizations were not extended. On the other hand my mobilization was extended to the then maximum allowable time 2 years and 180 days. LTC Stephen F. Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:35:54 -0400 2015-07-06T15:35:54-04:00 Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 3:52 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795288&urlhash=795288 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Err...I thought you meant incontinence at first, but you are correct! SGM Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:52:44 -0400 2015-07-06T15:52:44-04:00 Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 5:03 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795512&urlhash=795512 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I enjoyed your post, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="84196" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/84196-11a-infantry-officer-jfhq-la-milpac-region-v">MAJ Private RallyPoint Member</a>. I've never looked at incompetence that way, so thanks for schooling me on it. I have looked at humility and arrogance quite a bit in my 40 years of active duty and (Army) civilian service, and I think you are spot-on, on that point. Besides turning others off with their arrogance, which very likely stifles feedback, arrogant leaders are usually closed to input from others, especially subordinates, and that is often their undoing. In that regard, it's a perfect storm: the arrogant leader doesn't want any feedback (except cheers) and the people around the arrogant leader are reluctant to provide feedback.<br /><br />I've said before that among the few general officers I've worked with over the years, the very best ones were the ones who were humble and listened to input/feedback. CW5 Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:03:37 -0400 2015-07-06T17:03:37-04:00 Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 5:40 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795590&urlhash=795590 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree with the assessment of incompetence or more rather the perception that one might be. Similarly I thought myself perhaps in over my head in the weather field although I did love the science and even the observing side of the skill. But my doubts were and are a positive motivator and in spite of that I worked hard enough to be more competent. I was in my element working Phds and Master Degree contemporaries. <br /><br />I am not sure this is entirely the same as what you talked about but my doubts provided the cynicism to progress beyond a follower. On one of my APRs CINCMAC said my review of an event and my proactive approach was one of the best he had seen in a long time. Here I thought I might be smart enough. What's more, a severe anxiety disorder challenges me and the remedy to try harder against that. Not wanting to be defined by a limitation to rise above it. Now if I can only live up to my own ideas of myself. SSgt Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:40:50 -0400 2015-07-06T17:40:50-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 7:49 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=795811&urlhash=795811 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Wow, this is really good stuff here. I can say I greatly enjoyed reading this. I would agree with your points you have made. It is far too often that this is the issue with a poor leader. As a leader we should be able to speck of our short comings. For me as a PL in a Mechanized Infantry Platoon I have never performed a Gunnery. My knowledge is extremely limited. I hope to get some more time on a Bradley or go to Bradley Leaders Course at Benning. But just ignoring it and faking the funk when it comes to Gunnery is not going to help or make me look better. I believe that being up front with your short comings is more of what leadership is about. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:49:42 -0400 2015-07-06T19:49:42-04:00 Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Jul 6 at 2015 9:37 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=796051&urlhash=796051 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I assume the term comes from the adult learning model that states that a person moves through 4 phases when acquiring a new skill:<br />1. Unconscious incompetence - I don't know what I'm doing, and am unaware of the fact. Straight up ignorance. It ends once I am made aware (and care).<br />2. Conscious incompetence - I don't know what I'm doing, but I am aware of the fact. This is where learning starts.<br />3. Conscious competence. I know what I'm doing, but I need to work to get it right. This is the skill-building level.<br />4. Unconscious competence. I know what I'm doing, but I don't need to give it any particular attention.<br /><br />A good example is driving a car (the first phase was back when we had never even thought of driving a car, or my sister today. :-)). Remember the struggle to figure out what you were doing, that has morphed (unless you're my sister!) into being able to drive 100's of miles for hours without being consciously aware of all the little things that you have to do successfully to make that happen. <br /><br />Conscious incompetence is neither good nor bad in itself. As a stage in learning, it is indispensable. It is also a great place to stop when you either lack the ability or inclination to tackle a particular skill directly. I really like what Marcus Buckingham has to say about reinforcing your strengths and finding others who compliment your weaknesses. In my case, I have let my computer programming skills (I was a computer programmer by trade for just under a decade) atrophy to the point where a high schooler with a decent brain can code circles around me. It just isn't worth my time. Likewise, I dislike yard work - and am not very good at it. However, it turns out that there are people who will happily take my money along with that task. :-) COL Vincent Stoneking Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:37:03 -0400 2015-07-06T21:37:03-04:00 Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Jul 7 at 2015 1:07 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=796358&urlhash=796358 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Very interesting, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="84196" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/84196-11a-infantry-officer-jfhq-la-milpac-region-v">MAJ Private RallyPoint Member</a>. Thank you.<br /><br />As a corollary to "conscious incompetence" is the FAILURE MODE and our tendency to accept that failure mode.<br /><br />In many high-stress, high-tech fields - especially those that require highly technical and rapid analyses of complex stimuli - confidence can be over-powering and have horrible consequences. My own field - nuclear plant operations - and that of commercial piloting quickly come to mind as examples.<br /><br />There is a classic example from a cockpit voice recording. I apologize, but I forget the details. The short story is that the pilot is taking certain actions to stabilize the aircraft. The confident pilot is backed up by the flight engineer in these actions. All the while, the junior co-pilot is telling the pilot he's wrong, and the actions will increase the problem. The last recorded voice is the co-pilot, saying "I told you so. I told you so. Now we're all dead."<br /><br />"Confident incompetence is more powerful than unconfident competence."<br /><br />We train our operators - brutally - to always speak up and always support your position until your concerns are addressed. In all command structures, sometimes a decision has to be made - right now. Such is reality, but we never want it said that all aspects of the situation weren't fully considered. In this regard, there are two undeniable (and, some would say, undesirable) components to "do or die" training...<br />1. All real learning is emotional. It has to suck so bad you never want it to happen again, or it has to make you feel so good that you want it that way all the time.<br />2. You don't practice until you get it right. You practice until you CAN'T get it WRONG.<br /><br />So, the point of all this... There is as much danger in a lack of confidence as there is in an abundance of incompetence. Leaders need to allow (and teach) their people to dig deep for confidence when they know they're competent.<br /><br />I'll let General Longstreet back me up on that one.. PO2 Steven Erickson Tue, 07 Jul 2015 01:07:49 -0400 2015-07-07T01:07:49-04:00 Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 12:24 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=1120839&urlhash=1120839 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Some of our best leaders recognized that they didn't (and couldn't) know everything, but were smart enough to surround themselves with SMEs. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:24:23 -0500 2015-11-20T00:24:23-05:00 Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 20 at 2015 3:58 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/command-post/the-conscious-incompetent?n=1122149&urlhash=1122149 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My career consisted of being a Machinist, Helicopters, Tanks, Finance, DFAS, Disaster Preparedness and Relief, Corps Budget Operations Officer. I created flow charts of external customers and how to help them. I also created flow charts of internal operations to support our customers. MAJ Ken Landgren Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:58:48 -0500 2015-11-20T15:58:48-05:00 2015-07-06T14:42:59-04:00