COL Sam Russell 1785694 <div class="images-v2-count-4"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-102779"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fthe-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=The+Evolution+and+Implementation+of+the+Logistics+Officer+Corps&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fthe-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AThe Evolution and Implementation of the Logistics Officer Corps%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/the-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="bf1328161111ff789d2585e2e72e042f" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/779/for_gallery_v2/0c8577a7.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/779/large_v3/0c8577a7.jpg" alt="0c8577a7" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-2" id="image-102780"><a class="fancybox" rel="bf1328161111ff789d2585e2e72e042f" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/780/for_gallery_v2/048e8b0c.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/780/thumb_v2/048e8b0c.jpg" alt="048e8b0c" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-3" id="image-102781"><a class="fancybox" rel="bf1328161111ff789d2585e2e72e042f" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/781/for_gallery_v2/130d4dda.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/781/thumb_v2/130d4dda.jpg" alt="130d4dda" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-4" id="image-102782"><a class="fancybox" rel="bf1328161111ff789d2585e2e72e042f" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/782/for_gallery_v2/8da6868d.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/782/thumb_v2/8da6868d.jpg" alt="8da6868d" /></a></div></div>[From my 2012 Army War College Strategy Research Project...]<br /><br />It has been four [now eight] years since the Secretary of the Army created the [Logistics] LG branch, and now is the right time to reflect on this new branch. How did the logistics community get to where it is today? Has the Army&#39;s implementation of the LG branch gone as planned? Has the advent of the LG branch created any unintended consequences? If so, what are they, and what has been their impact? Should the Army address these unintended consequences, can they be corrected, and what is the next logical step?<br /><br />The Army’s implementation of the LG branch in 2008 was not an end state, but rather the latest milestone in an ongoing evolutionary process to improve how best to sustain our fighting forces and develop our logistics leaders. The implementation required detailed planning that was able to capitalize on an impressive body of scholarly work by officers who spent the previous decade contemplating if and how best to establish a logistics officer corps. The implementation plan was able to capitalize on earlier evolutionary changes such as the dual-track [Functional Area] 90 Logistician Program that provided multifunctional experience to officers at a time when new tactical formations placed a greater demand on logisticians having a breadth of experience across all logistics functions. The revised Combined Logistics Officer Advanced Course [CLOAC] and later Captains Career Course [CLC3] similarly provided timely multifunctional skills and education to a generation of captains. With the Army’s modular transformation adding additional FA 90 positions to the force structure, and with [Combined Arms Support Command] CASCOM converting more and more functional positions to FA 90 positions, logistics officers were ready and waiting for change by the time the Army implemented the LG branch. <br /><br />However, the implementation had some unintended consequences. Due to vague initial implementation guidance the personnel requisition process created an environment where career managers lost visibility of logistics positions that required functional skills and experience. The Army’s FY 2012 change to DA PAM 611-21 solves this problem provided personnel requisitions display the newly established functional logistics Secondary Qualification Indicators, and units recognize the functional requirements as annotated on their authorization documents. [In the four years since this paper and identification of this issue, HRC still only creates 90A00 (vice 90A88, 90A91, and 90A92) positions, ignoring the MTOE and TDA authorizations for hundreds of functional OD, QM and TC specific positions] <br /><br />Another unintended consequence is that some unit commanders now view all logistics officers as multifunctional and regularly employ basic branch OD, QM and TC lieutenants in positions for which they have no institutional training. The [Sustainment Center of Excellence] SCOE can solve this problem by revising the program of instruction of each of the OD, QM and TC Basic Officer Leader Courses to ensure lieutenants arrive at their first duty assignment with an elementary understanding of all the logistics functions. <br /><br />Finally, TRADOC and the SCOE would better serve the logistics officer corps if they redesigned the Army’s premier logistics university to provide advanced degree-awarding programs as was originally articulated 45 years ago at its inception. <br /><br />LG branch implementation has been successful, widely accepted, and provided great benefit to the Army. There is always room for improvement, and the history of the evolution of how we sustain our fighting forces indicates that more change is yet to come.<br /><br />[you can download and pdf and read the full paper here...]<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851">http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851">GetTRDoc</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">t%aàìÏÒº[à1ÎÀyÆá!@ endstream endobj 701 0 obj /Metadata 101 0 R/Outlines 155 0 R/Pages 691 0 R/StructTreeRoot 162 0 R/Type/Catalog endobj 702 0 obj /MediaBox[0 0 612 792]/Parent 692 0 R/Resources/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject/Rotate 0/StructParents 0/Tabs/S/Type/Page endobj 703 0 obj stream hÞSÛjÛ@ýy/awgïcÑBÚ&amp;ÔÅYd&quot;I)éßwvH184eÏ9 +, ;@{PÀ&quot;è</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> The Evolution and Implementation of the Logistics Officer Corps 2016-08-07T08:59:20-04:00 COL Sam Russell 1785694 <div class="images-v2-count-4"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-102779"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fthe-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=The+Evolution+and+Implementation+of+the+Logistics+Officer+Corps&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fthe-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0AThe Evolution and Implementation of the Logistics Officer Corps%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/the-evolution-and-implementation-of-the-logistics-officer-corps" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="3e731b96ce9b8f8f84b464a32c531466" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/779/for_gallery_v2/0c8577a7.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/779/large_v3/0c8577a7.jpg" alt="0c8577a7" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-2" id="image-102780"><a class="fancybox" rel="3e731b96ce9b8f8f84b464a32c531466" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/780/for_gallery_v2/048e8b0c.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/780/thumb_v2/048e8b0c.jpg" alt="048e8b0c" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-3" id="image-102781"><a class="fancybox" rel="3e731b96ce9b8f8f84b464a32c531466" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/781/for_gallery_v2/130d4dda.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/781/thumb_v2/130d4dda.jpg" alt="130d4dda" /></a></div><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-4" id="image-102782"><a class="fancybox" rel="3e731b96ce9b8f8f84b464a32c531466" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/782/for_gallery_v2/8da6868d.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/102/782/thumb_v2/8da6868d.jpg" alt="8da6868d" /></a></div></div>[From my 2012 Army War College Strategy Research Project...]<br /><br />It has been four [now eight] years since the Secretary of the Army created the [Logistics] LG branch, and now is the right time to reflect on this new branch. How did the logistics community get to where it is today? Has the Army&#39;s implementation of the LG branch gone as planned? Has the advent of the LG branch created any unintended consequences? If so, what are they, and what has been their impact? Should the Army address these unintended consequences, can they be corrected, and what is the next logical step?<br /><br />The Army’s implementation of the LG branch in 2008 was not an end state, but rather the latest milestone in an ongoing evolutionary process to improve how best to sustain our fighting forces and develop our logistics leaders. The implementation required detailed planning that was able to capitalize on an impressive body of scholarly work by officers who spent the previous decade contemplating if and how best to establish a logistics officer corps. The implementation plan was able to capitalize on earlier evolutionary changes such as the dual-track [Functional Area] 90 Logistician Program that provided multifunctional experience to officers at a time when new tactical formations placed a greater demand on logisticians having a breadth of experience across all logistics functions. The revised Combined Logistics Officer Advanced Course [CLOAC] and later Captains Career Course [CLC3] similarly provided timely multifunctional skills and education to a generation of captains. With the Army’s modular transformation adding additional FA 90 positions to the force structure, and with [Combined Arms Support Command] CASCOM converting more and more functional positions to FA 90 positions, logistics officers were ready and waiting for change by the time the Army implemented the LG branch. <br /><br />However, the implementation had some unintended consequences. Due to vague initial implementation guidance the personnel requisition process created an environment where career managers lost visibility of logistics positions that required functional skills and experience. The Army’s FY 2012 change to DA PAM 611-21 solves this problem provided personnel requisitions display the newly established functional logistics Secondary Qualification Indicators, and units recognize the functional requirements as annotated on their authorization documents. [In the four years since this paper and identification of this issue, HRC still only creates 90A00 (vice 90A88, 90A91, and 90A92) positions, ignoring the MTOE and TDA authorizations for hundreds of functional OD, QM and TC specific positions] <br /><br />Another unintended consequence is that some unit commanders now view all logistics officers as multifunctional and regularly employ basic branch OD, QM and TC lieutenants in positions for which they have no institutional training. The [Sustainment Center of Excellence] SCOE can solve this problem by revising the program of instruction of each of the OD, QM and TC Basic Officer Leader Courses to ensure lieutenants arrive at their first duty assignment with an elementary understanding of all the logistics functions. <br /><br />Finally, TRADOC and the SCOE would better serve the logistics officer corps if they redesigned the Army’s premier logistics university to provide advanced degree-awarding programs as was originally articulated 45 years ago at its inception. <br /><br />LG branch implementation has been successful, widely accepted, and provided great benefit to the Army. There is always room for improvement, and the history of the evolution of how we sustain our fighting forces indicates that more change is yet to come.<br /><br />[you can download and pdf and read the full paper here...]<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851">http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA561851">GetTRDoc</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">t%aàìÏÒº[à1ÎÀyÆá!@ endstream endobj 701 0 obj /Metadata 101 0 R/Outlines 155 0 R/Pages 691 0 R/StructTreeRoot 162 0 R/Type/Catalog endobj 702 0 obj /MediaBox[0 0 612 792]/Parent 692 0 R/Resources/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject/Rotate 0/StructParents 0/Tabs/S/Type/Page endobj 703 0 obj stream hÞSÛjÛ@ýy/awgïcÑBÚ&amp;ÔÅYd&quot;I)éßwvH184eÏ9 +, ;@{PÀ&quot;è</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div> The Evolution and Implementation of the Logistics Officer Corps 2016-08-07T08:59:20-04:00 2016-08-07T08:59:20-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 1785774 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go Ordnance! Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2016 9:46 AM 2016-08-07T09:46:26-04:00 2016-08-07T09:46:26-04:00 CPT Tom Monahan 1810409 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I attended QM OAC in '84 as a voluntary RA branch transfer from FA. One thing I noticed is the non-combat arms peers weren't prepared to be maneuver or fires S-4s or BDE staff. The secondary identifier is critical to get the right knowledge and experience into staff slots in combat units. Likewise it is just as important in getting the right knowledge into depot and TDA support slots. <br /><br />Bottom line, experience is just as important as knowledge. Just picture a Maj who grew up as an IN LT, FSB Co CD-R, BDE S-4 and a MSB SPO going to a slot that was 90% GSers and had no combat or training mission. At the same time take a Maj who was TDA in depots or Corps Support Commands all their time. Would they be the first choice BDE Task Force S-4 or FSB SPO? Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Aug 16 at 2016 1:04 PM 2016-08-16T13:04:13-04:00 2016-08-16T13:04:13-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 1869484 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sir, I think the unintended consequences are that MCoE is now advocating and SCoE is doing quite frankly nothing in terms of developing tactical Logisticians. The trend today is to put Infantry or Armor CPTs in as the FSC Commander. The SPO of MG Wentz&#39;s and LTG Perna&#39;s day is foreign to today&#39;s BSB CDRs and there is no synergy from the BDE 4/ SPO down to the FSC/ BN S4 level. <br />If you could I would recommend visiting NTC during TD 06- 10 just so you could appreciate the utter confusion of logistic doctrine and execution from a Divisional perspective. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2016 11:50 PM 2016-09-06T23:50:26-04:00 2016-09-06T23:50:26-04:00 2016-08-07T08:59:20-04:00