The heads will roll. Have you ever seen soldiers punished who shouldn't have been?

2015-06-30T19:30:48-04:00

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/30/convicted-killer-thought-fellow-escapee-was-slowing-him-down/21202921/

Official: Prison chief, 11 others put on leave after escape

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Jun 30 at 2015 7:38 PM

2015-06-30T19:38:02-04:00

Not often at all. It does happen occasionally though.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 30 at 2015 8:07 PM

2015-06-30T20:07:20-04:00

It's kind of like the Navy: the Commanding Officer is ultimately responsible for what happens on their ship.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 30 at 2015 9:10 PM

2015-06-30T21:10:40-04:00

Yeah, me, NJP'd for something that I absolutely did not do and I guess I'm unnecessarily bitter about it since it was like 12 yrs ago but it felt like a betrayal from leaders I was suppose to trust.

Response by SSG Melvin Nulph made Jun 30 at 2015 10:20 PM

2015-06-30T22:20:14-04:00

So glad it didn't happen as often in the military as we see its done in the civilian world. But I did see it and of the few I seen one refused to re-up, another made 1SG, and Fox went on to be a CW 3 or 4 with an attitudes to prevent it from happening to others.
Knowing the people you hang out with helps but doesn't prevent this from going on, how often do we really know someone that well when we PCS every 2 years or so?
I believe one reason we do not see it that much in the military is because of the leadership we have. They help prevent it for the most part.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2015 8:47 AM

2015-07-01T08:47:36-04:00

Sure. And we have a duty to say something if we believe there is miscarriage of justice which happens when emotional reactions slant the 'facts'.... You don't become the hero of leadership by challenging decisions--during or after a case; it does help to create a record in case a pattern develops. Sometimes, as PO1 Miller expressed, the person at the top has ultimate responsibility for an outcome, and must accept it, no matter how remote the action might be. That can help to send a message of accountability and create a clean slate, although the situation can be politically exploited.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jul 1 at 2015 1:15 PM

2015-07-01T13:15:43-04:00

CPT Private RallyPoint Member I totally agree with the internal investigation and some paid leave for the immediate guards that were responsible for that portion of the facility, but I don't agree with personnel getting laid off until the investigations proves there was leadership issues that led to the escape.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Apr 28 at 2017 10:20 AM

2017-04-28T10:20:48-04:00

Had an E6 "good ole boy" that would do that. If he didn't like you, for what ever reason, he would start picking on you. He would just eat a person up until that person didn't give a "F" and then he would start the process of Captians mast until he could get you discharged for behavioral reasons. He was a real piece of work

Response by SPC Joshua Bender made May 12 at 2019 5:01 AM

2019-05-12T05:01:48-04:00

Honestly, its kind of rare in my own experience usually the punishment is well warranted. I've seen it a couple of times though, once in Ft. Hood with the 157th we had a 1st Sgt. who was on the warpath on dirty vents, when we had a really bad black mold problem, which they later had to move everyone and decontaminate the buildings. I almost got an article 15 for point it out after the third time, and did get smoked for "making up excuses". I had already checked the ventilation system, and informed my chain of command that it wasn't being maintained after I noticed the mold problem. There were no air filters in the slots on the units, the drip pans wern't draining properly, and had no shock tabs in them. It had to have costed them thousands to fix an issue that could have been prevented by a little upkeep.

I've also seen an NCO who was bi-polar and, later was put on suicide watch wig out on his soldiers, screaming obscenities at them and smoked the crap out of one. We had just got him from replacement, not sure what his situation was but he turned up AWOL later and was dragged back after someone found him passed out on the road, which is what got him on suicide watch. I left the unit before I found out what happened to him.

Response by SGT Steven Smedsrud made Apr 11 at 2020 2:00 AM

2020-04-11T02:00:43-04:00

I’m a 2 time Army Basic Training attendant, once for Armor and once at Ft Swill OK. As many may know during BCT you are placed with a Battle Buddy during the trainings duration. My BB was the nephew of the Secretary of the Army, but during training no one knew this fact. Together we endured so much punishment, at the time I thought it was because he was a total space cadet but only after graduation did we learn who he was. I was in damn good shape after 13 weeks.

Response by PO2 John Harker made Jul 5 at 2020 12:56 PM

2020-07-05T12:56:05-04:00

Yep. I went to Captain's mast as a witness in a disrespect case. Of all things, disrespect has got to be the stupidest thing to call for NJP, but oh well.
The accused, an E6, had requested income tax assistance from the base legal department, as had a few hundred other sailors. During the initial phone contact, there was a mix up and he was written in as a CO and given head of line privileges.
They started working on his taxes and realized soon he wasn't a CO. He told them he'd be glad to go back and wait in line, but the Chief and the Lieutenant who were in charge of the tax prep office declined. Instead, they accused him of impersonation and harassed him until he finally yelled at one of them. That was his mistake, and that was the only charge to get past XOI. He was given 45/45 and half a month's pay x2... then one of the folks who helped pin the charge on him had the gall to ask for his help on some car repairs!

Response by 1LT Brian Tychonski made Sep 6 at 2021 9:58 AM

2021-09-06T09:58:02-04:00

Yes. After a thorough investigation, which included his commanding officer claiming responsibility for his subordinates not being properly trained in the use of their cold weather gear, I concluded that a SSG was NOT derelict in his duties over a subordinate developing a minor case of trench foot from using his Mickey Mouse boots incorrectly. The Bn CO wanted to crucify the SSG over a previous accident where his howitzer driver had broken a mirror by hitting a tree on a tank trail. When I refused to change my findings, I was transferred to another unit and someone must've changed them because I found out later that they had attempted to give the SSG a field grade Article 15 and he had enough years in that he quit rather than accept it