The new Army promotion system: the Army wants NCOs with more military education. Any thoughts or changes?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:15:07 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 3:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:30:30 -0500

There are a lot of things that are similar to the old system that we had used before. This new system is harder for the soldiers that have been deployed multiple times. However we are moving out of that time and more into a garrison time fewer young soldiers will of had deployments. I think that once Solders have time to adjust to the new system it will work out just fine. Some Solders will feel some pain in the change. I am happy that there are more points for college now, but I am sad that they took away the deployment points completely.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 5:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:42:32 -0500

Sounds good! More knowledge you have the more you can teach someone else! But my question is this , why do they say we have no money for schools but want us to have that knowledge?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 12:14 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:14:03 -0500

A peacetime Army is an "educated" Army. In a wartime Army, well, we just need bodies to fill slots. Not as bad as in WWII or Korea when you had 20 year old Master Sergeants, but the GWOT Army has let the 90's standards slide just a teeny bit. I just think it is funny that people see this as a new thing when in fact it is a normal ebb and flow that can be traced back to the post WWII era.

Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made Dec 31 at 2015 2:20 PM

SGT Kristin Wiley — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:20:51 -0500

I don't think the Army can support the military education requirement. My MOS had ALC backlogs for years due to being a star MOS. Now our points are at 798, and according to the ACT tracker less than 8% of E-6s have ALC and less than 4% of E-5s. So now we have 92% of all E-6s that NEED to take ALC to retain their rank, as well as 96% of E-5s who have any interested in getting promoted. I just don't see how ALC for my MOS can support the amount of personnel that need to take the course with the current amount of class offerings. They will need to invest a lot more resources and personnel into NCOES to make this happen with any degree of efficiency.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jan 6 at 2016 5:59 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 05:59:17 -0500

I believe the military should look at the fact, that people that were deployed had first hand training on combat, and survival, more than they would learn from military education. If anything these people could give the classes on the subject. My DI's were Vietnam vets and we learned a lot more from them then from a manual.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 9:26 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:26:34 -0500

The Army can't afford more military schools. Hell, they can't even get soldiers MOSQ. What the Army wants and gets are completely different. More time in schools means less time training, managing, working, and more time away from families. They have raised requirements every period between major operations, resulting in mass exodus and loss of experiential knowledge. With tensions so high in the world, the demand for war veterans sharing their knowledge is high. We are not in peace time....

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 9:26 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:26:40 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 1:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:18:32 -0500

The army needs more educated personal. the problem with promotion is that must of the Army Schools that give Promotion points you can't get; Why? because cost Money... Me bean 13 years in the Army must of my Point are max... but were i fail is Army Education... 14 pts. (10 CLS and 4 Generator Operator)... that is all. All Reserves and previous schools don't give promotion point any more.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2016 6:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:35:53 -0500

If the Army wants NCOs with more military education, they need to prioritize funding for resident courses and major training events instead of treating military education as an afterthought like they do now.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2016 9:11 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:11:49 -0500

This sucks for a reservist. There's always budget constraints and slotting issues.

Response by SPC John Lebiecki made Jun 29 at 2016 3:55 PM

SPC John Lebiecki — Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:55:21 -0400

I think this is a great idea! Give the leader more insight on the military style on how things need to be done to keep their teams proficient and able to go to combat.