The rebel flag found in barracks inspection; what action would you take?

SFC Seth King — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 08:16:47 -0500

Leaders,

I conducted a barracks inspection today. One of my Soldiers, not white, had a modified rebel flag hanging in his room. On it was an eagle and written "these colors don't run".
While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there, is there anything that specifically says yes or no. AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.
Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 6 at 2014 8:20 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 08:20:27 -0500

It's up to the Commander to determine whether he considers it a violation or detrimental to good order and discipline.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 9:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 09:01:48 -0500

I get tired of the whole "rebel flag" argument/ debate. To me it just represents a state flag, and the people of the south. I see the General Lee, people with big trucks and no teeth when I think of it, TBO. The whole race issue behind it is old and I personally get tired of hearing about it. Every day someone new has a problem with that flag because it "represents slavery" smh, sigh, uggh, so annoying. The only issue I have with the scenario you gave is that the flag was MODIFIED with a statement written on it, either blatant or subliminal. That statement to me, shows an agenda. If it was just the flag hanging there, so be it. But when you start showing an agenda or trying to "put a message" behind it, then it becomes a problem. It is sending a message that THAT person is trying to say something, and along with that message, comes the trouble that a COC is trying to avoid. It seems as though that "not white" person was trying to "stick it to the man" by hanging that flag and saying "these colors don't run", interpreted as, "Im (whatever color they were) and I am not afraid of you" (or something similiar) To me, that is his message and I wouldn't allow it. There is no need for that crap. Then of course one would have to see if that is his HOR, or if he has a personal history of living there, family there etc. Of course there could be more to it, but questions would have to be asked to find that out, or look in their pers. data sheets etc. But if they are from NY or something and have no family or ties in the south, I would have to consider the first option I stated here.<br>

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 4:31 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 16:31:25 -0500

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Response by SGT Michael Smith made Mar 6 at 2014 5:05 PM

SGT Michael Smith — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:05:09 -0500

Why is this even as issue? Some states in the US still have part of the rebel flag in them. It's a 1st amendment issue. Besides the fact that it's in his room. I'd be more concerned if my soldier had a clean room than possible controversial viewpoints. <br>

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 6:58 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 18:58:46 -0500

If he belonged (or you believe him to belong) to some extremist group, and the flag (any flag) is a direct representation of said group... issue. By regulation. If the roommate hasn't griped, no issue in good order and discipline in my opinion (no other Soldiers are required to share that space and if they don't like it, they should chose not to visit that Soldier's room again. It's not a SHARP thing where we are telling people to remove things from view and it isn't an EO issue either when there are (at least with the known information) none of the five protected categories being infringed upon by simply having that flag in his (somewhat) "personal" space and without gripe from the roommate.<div><br></div><div>At the MOST (again, based only on the details provided) I would counsel the Soldier privately IOT make him aware of what others' perceptions might be and to warn that if an issue arises from it being there, the Commander has the authority to have him take it down IOT preserve the good order and discipline... talk with him and gain insight on what that flag represents to him and what, if any, message is intended by having it up.</div><div><br></div><div>Until something more has become of it, just based the flag alone, I'd say counsel (so it's on paper if something DOES become of it later)... and then leave it be. If TRADOC Reg 350-6, Fort Gordon Regs and BDE Policy Letters don't address it, let it be. SJA is another great resource for this question.</div><div><br></div><div>Good Luck!!</div>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 7:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 19:20:03 -0500

the confederate flag itself isn't a symbol of racism its a way of life and a piece of American history and ive seen a few black soldiers have them too, as long as it isnt a swastika it should be fine  

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Mar 6 at 2014 7:20 PM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 19:20:52 -0500

As long as no one is complaining, but you should still keep an ear open for any other issues...

Response by Cpl David Hall made Mar 6 at 2014 10:01 PM

Cpl David Hall — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:01:16 -0500

I know the army does things a bit different but your making a mountain out of a molehill; If no one has actually complained and there is no account of racism then personally as an NCO I would let it be. It is a bit odd and out of the ordinary but giving the attention to it is exactly what the person wants/needs. Just my two cents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2014 10:08 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:08:14 -0500

You already said it... The commander needs to determine if it should be removed. It may not be offensive to me but it may be to you.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Mar 7 at 2014 3:00 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:00:13 -0500

The issue i might see with it is this. A person of rank for whatever reason walks into the barracks room, see's the flag and flips out. The CO and the SM might have said it's good to go, but that person of rank doesn't know that and someone ends up doing unneeded pushups and someone else becomes really embarrassed. If the door is open and someone walks by and sees it, they might file and EO report. That's how I see it objectively without even thinking about what it might or might not stand for.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2014 3:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:22:40 -0500

http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_15.pdf<br><br>AR 600-20 Prohibits soldiers from the following in regards to extremism (page 9. 600-15, para 2-3: Prohibitions)<br>- Participating in public demonstrations or rallies<br>- (Paraphrasing for brevity) Attending a meeting<br>- Fund raising activities <br>- Recruiting or training members<br>- Creating, organizing, or taking a leadership role in an organization or activity<br>- Distributing literature<br><br>None of that applies to your soldier, but as you yourself have said in the next paragraph (page 9. 600-15, para 2-4: Command Authority) 600-15 gives commanders the authority to essentially do as they please with this exact situation according to their judgement.<br><br>SFC Seth K, by the sounds of it you already have your answer. Your commander is the one that has the authority to order the flag removed or to allow it to remain. Apparently it's completely up to his or her judgement.<br><br>My personal thoughts on the matter is that the flag should remain. It harms no one, is out of public view, and depending on the soldier could be a source of heritage. This obviously depends on the context of the soldier, as to me all that would get disregarded the instant I perceived any kind of racism in the soldier. <br>

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 7 at 2014 5:58 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:58:29 -0500

When I was a young Soldier, back in the late '80s, this was an issue and the Garrison CDR at Ft. Carson made it a blanket policy that no "Rebel" flag could be displayed in any barracks room or actually displayed on any vehicle on post. It irritated some people, but at the same time it prevented any unintended racial problems and ensured that there were no issues where one command was ok with it and others may not have been. 

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2014 3:35 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:35:03 -0400

<p>SFC, </p><p>While I agree that the flag in question is not racist, lets look ast what it is or was..Its a CON FEDERATE flag.  It was used by those that wanted to brake from the Union.  Therefore technicall, these people were terrorists of the time.  Now as Soldiers, we have sworn an oath to the defend the UNITED States of America.  How can you say you ae a defender, yet display a "Rebel" flag.  I can say this because as a 17 yrd I had one tattooed on my shoulder.  I have had Soldiers throw the "Race" card on me and then while attending civillian Police Academy..I had to write a report on its Origns History and meaning.  The instructor was a former Marine and made the point of being a Soldier with a rebel flag.   I have since covered it up with something more patriotic because as I advanced in my military career and as as LEO on the civillian side, I did not want that stigma.  Maybe if you point  out  those points to the SM, or as someone sugested have the writhe a paper on it, he may have a better understanding.</p>

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made May 5 at 2014 5:30 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Mon, 05 May 2014 17:30:02 -0400

The Confederate flag offends some because of what it represents. Ok that's fair.

Let's not forget the reprehensible and atrocious things that happened in this country under the USA flag (child labor, Japanese concentration camps, segregation).

I'm just pointing out there is a much larger picture here.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made May 5 at 2014 5:34 PM

1SG Michael Blount — Mon, 05 May 2014 17:34:17 -0400

Solid judgment and acting for the good of the order trump any regulation I can think of.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 5 at 2014 5:44 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Mon, 05 May 2014 17:44:57 -0400

Not a Big Fan of the Stars and Bars but a modified version was our command logo onboard USS Arkansas CGN-41. So I can't say anything about anybody else using it. Now my prfered logo was the Razorback with a Dixie Cup that I proudly wore.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made May 5 at 2014 8:44 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Mon, 05 May 2014 20:44:56 -0400

The underlying sentiment is the key element - what is the owner do and say other than the flag? Modern life notwithstanding, it is time to get beyond that in any event.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made May 5 at 2014 9:32 PM

SSG Gerhard S. — Mon, 05 May 2014 21:32:20 -0400

Just a few thoughts. First of all, Sgt Newman is correct, and SSG Woods makes the salient point that the American flag has some stains of the same color on it as well.

Secondly, what should be done if a soldier of Japanese descent displayed a Japanese flag in their room. After all we fought a war with the (then) racist Japanese as well. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in barracks rooms as well. Where should the line be drawn? How do the French feel about a Cinco de Mayo celebration when it celebrates the defeat of their forces?

The point is, the things that can potentially offend someone are legion. It is important to note that inanimate objects are not, of, and in, themselves "offensive". To be offensive, someone has to CHOOSE to be offended.

I understand I'm not citing any regulations so I'm not answering the original question, and I DO believe that the line has to be drawn.... I would draw that line closer to the Nazi flag than to the flag known as the Stars and Bars, or which Sgt Newman accurately pointed out, is known as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made May 6 at 2014 12:06 AM

SGT Craig Northacker — Tue, 06 May 2014 00:06:16 -0400

I am old enough to remember the nasty problems in Berlin in the 1960's, then watch race riots at Fort Polk in the early 1970's. Those were ugly times - and we were all Americans in a war in Viet Nam.

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made May 6 at 2014 12:41 AM

SPC Christopher Smith — Tue, 06 May 2014 00:41:44 -0400

I have a "Rebel" flag tattooed upon my right shoulder. I know the history and meaning of my flag. Although history was written by the victor, the South has a strong and proud history. If someone has an issue with a symbol that is a strong part of our cultural and military history they should crack open a book.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 1:01 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 01:01:52 -0400

I think a simple conversation would largely resolve the matter. It may be anything from "it was a gift" or "it looks cool" to something much deeper or more profound. Because of civil war and its toll on many parts of the South, the confederate flag still holds deep value as a symbol of their own roots, even if they are not white. Either way, I can't imagine the Soldier would respond negatively should the question of "why's that there?" come up.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 4:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 04:41:21 -0400

As long as they just showing Southern Pride and nothing else, I see no problem with it. I own a few confederate flag items myself.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 1:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 13:04:03 -0400

This has always been my Question on the matter:

If we tell Soldiers they can't have a Confederate flag because of what it represents. When is the Army going to rename Forts Benning, Hood, and Bragg to name a few? All are named after Confederate leaders, who defended the things that flag really represented.

My personal opinion, Leave them be. The flag has many meanings to many people. Unlike the Nazi flag which is a universal symbol of hate.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 8:12 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 May 2014 20:12:11 -0400

SSG Vickie Woods:

The Japanese in the internment camps were not worked to death. There was also something of a precedent for Japanese immigrants helping downed Japanese aviators. I wouldn't really compare our internment of the Japanese to "concentration camps." It certainly seems harsh on face value, but it's hard to judge through a 21st century lens when America was fighting for survival.

Regarding the original: If you take down the CSA flag, then all non US flags should come down or it appears your discriminating solely against southerners. I personally had a Lion Rampant in my barracks room when I was a private. That doesn't mean I was racist against Englishmen.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made May 7 at 2014 8:11 PM

SPC Brian Jones — Wed, 07 May 2014 20:11:25 -0400

My commander attempted to take my Ga State flag (pre the last redesign) thinking it was a "rebel flag" at least till he noticed the letter I had received from my congressman with the flag.

While I do understand the reasoning behind the reg. Where does freedom of speech end with something like this? What if one of the pagan sects were to place a pentacle based flag up, now you would be messing with several freedoms that are granted.

Response by SFC Seth King made May 7 at 2014 9:25 PM

SFC Seth King — Wed, 07 May 2014 21:25:07 -0400

I love how two months after I post this everyone starts actually debating this.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made May 14 at 2014 8:59 PM

MSG Floyd Williams — Wed, 14 May 2014 20:59:31 -0400

This is a united country it should only be one flag that is "Old Glory." That one flag represents all Americans regardless of your heritage, it is the only flag I acknowledge.

Response by SSG(P) Auston Terry made May 14 at 2014 9:28 PM

SSG(P) Auston Terry — Wed, 14 May 2014 21:28:41 -0400

As with most command responses it's incredibly subjective. If I have a Soldier who is from Georgia and has a Georgia State Flag in his room can I or even should I ask the Commander to force him to remove it? The current version, not the one with the battle flag. It's a symbol of the same nation SGM Cousins was talking about, but it's basically an obscure reference.

You have to consider all the options, the Soldier isn't white, but race isn't a metric of whether or not something or someone is/is not extremeist or racist in nature or content. If you know that flag is meant to offend or represents extremeist leanings its your duty to solve it at the lowest level and advise the command of your opinion of the best approach guided by DA PAM 600-15

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 15 at 2014 3:39 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 15 May 2014 15:39:53 -0400

I would consult the EO rep, counsel the soldier and tell the soldier to take the flag down until I got good information and guidance for CYA.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2014 9:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 May 2014 21:30:19 -0400

What about a pirate flag, Jolly Rogers ? Arrrrg!

Response by SFC L Barone made Nov 21 at 2014 10:26 AM

SFC L Barone — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:26:27 -0500

SFC(Ret) Sir it is your discretion! With that said has anyone complained about it? In 1986 I had a similar flag without writing hanging on my wall, I was asked to take it down! I did so while nobody complained about it my Platoon Sgt felt it may be viewed inappropriate by someone! The thin skins of today's Soldiers who the hell knows what might be offensive! What is the Command policy on displaying anything in the barracks?

Response by SPC Phillip Ludlow made Dec 24 at 2014 4:01 AM

SPC Phillip Ludlow — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:01:59 -0500

i wish to place among you this SFC Seth King (1) that there are many flags of the confederate states, and (2) its a matter of heritage.

My family, the Ludlow family of Mobile Alabama, fought in the Civil War, WW2, the Korean war, Desert Storm, and The Iraq War. We hold our heritage high. we have ( as i have seen and shall do) hold the line.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mobile_Bay

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Dec 24 at 2014 10:53 PM

SSG Daniel Deiler — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:53:13 -0500

Not sure why common sense "says it shouldn't be there." Common sense says it has every right to be there as it is that particular Soldiers room as it is neither illegal or immoral. It does not erode at the good order and discipline of the unit as it is not on display in the units common area.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 7:17 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:17:30 -0500

I'm tired of preemptive action in the army that has the sole purpose of avoiding the slim chance that someone might eventually be offended. How about we try this:
Person A: "That offends me because of this"

Person B: "My bad. I'll change this"

Crazy right.

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Jan 23 at 2015 7:54 AM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:54:36 -0500

I believe you just answered your own question. If there hasn't been any disruption to good order or discipline caused by this flag then you have no right to remove it. You can remove it, but, if it were me I'd take it up my chain of command as it hasn't caused a problem. It is commands that try to be PC and take care of "problems" when there is no problem to begin with that is what's wrong with the military today. I understand trying to be proactive, but there is a such thing as fanatical pro activism and that isn't a good thing. Kills morale.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 11:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:03:52 -0500

Live and let live until someone says something. Why stir the pot if you don't need to? Let them express themselves unless it's harming morale.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 11:08 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:08:04 -0500

For those who have no problems with the "rebel" flag, would you have problem with this one?

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Mar 2 at 2015 3:31 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:31:57 -0500

Anyone has the right to be offended by anything. However, the fact that you are offended does not necessarily mean someone did anything to offend you. The world would probably be a more peaceful place of everyone lived by this rule.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:52 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:52:14 -0500

If his roommate doesn't care, then nothing. If *I* am his roommate, and I didn't have a choice in the matter, then we have an issue.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 9:58 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:58:26 -0500

As long as the item is not a safety issue, a health violation, or a strictly prohibited item, then leave it be.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Mar 5 at 2015 10:08 PM

SGT Francis Wright — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:08:47 -0500

Give the soldier a counseling; advice that it may be found inappropriate or insensitive. Get the counseling statement signed, and placed into his file.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 21 at 2015 9:45 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 21:45:09 -0400

I have and Would have it removed. I would do IAW 600-20. To me it means hate and possibly extremism. It means bad things to many. Not good for good order discipline.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Mar 21 at 2015 10:32 PM

SSG Gerhard S. — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 22:32:06 -0400

To solidify this issue I would point out that a few weeks ago I spied a "Confederate" Flag flying above an embattled building in the Ukraine. Do any here believe that flag was hoisted to signify slavery? Clearly, the flag was emplaced to signify the idea of State's rights, of sovereignty, of the right to dissolve oneself or one's state from a voluntary union as the Ukraine did on 16 July 1990.

Response by PO1 Stephen Caldonetti made Mar 21 at 2015 11:13 PM

PO1 Stephen Caldonetti — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 23:13:29 -0400

It still is part if country's history. I have no problem with, and I know people who hate the flag and what it stands for, but like I said, there are many who have had ancestors who died for that flag and it should be accepted as part of our American heritage, good or bad. Now if it was a Nazi flag, then I would write them up and reprimand that service member because that is a true symbol of racism, and that should not be tolerated.

Response by TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn made Mar 23 at 2015 7:08 PM

TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:08:34 -0400

Wow what a can of worms you opened up!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 7:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:08:52 -0400

So, you have a Soldier who's not the "a-typical" redneck with a Confederate Flag.

I had seen one before, it didn't say "these colors don't run," but instead "heritage, not hate." And I believed him, because I asked him about it.

If it's not in a Policy Letter, it's about context. If no one else has a genuine issue with it, don't make an issue of it. And if an issue is being made of it, be as light as possible.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 7:08 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:08:57 -0400

Doesn't sound like any issue at all. Looks like your the only one having a problem with it. If he isn't saying or doing anything disruptive or derogatory to people then it would be a non issue.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 9:21 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:21:09 -0400

Given the circumstances and current political climate I would have the Soldier take the flag down. While the interpretation of the Confederate flag as a symbol is not universal, it's not worth a 15-6 investigation to prove that in my opinion. With that being said, this type of behavior can become a slippery slope relatively easily.

I'll give a personal example. I've been looking at getting a tattoo to honor my Viking heritage. After doing my research, I've come to find out a small group of white supremacists have adopted a fair amount of Norse symbolism. The symbol I was interested in, Thor's Hammer, has been a religious and cultural symbol for centuries and a racist symbol for far less. I would guess most people have no idea of the potential racist symbolism, but it would only take one person being offended to create a massive !@#$storm. In short, I'm not going to get the cultural tattoo I want because of one small group of ignorant morons.

As a force we should be able to make common sense judgments about the intent versus possible symbolism. I know in doing my research I was personally shocked by the amount of potentially "offensive" symbols out there. However, until we have support in this from our senior and civilian leadership I would focus on CYA.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 9:28 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:28:46 -0400

I wouldn't do anything. If it is in his room and it doesn't have any thing derogatory on it (which I don't personally think "these colors don't run" is), then I don't see that is an issue.

I wouldn't think this goes against good order and discipline either.

Response by SSgt Randy Saulsberry made Mar 23 at 2015 9:35 PM

SSgt Randy Saulsberry — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:35:59 -0400

No action. As a decedent of slaves obviously that flag is offensive. But at the same time that flag doesn't only mean "I'm a racist". Sure to some that's what they like the flag for but in my opinion, as someone that grew up in the south, that flag just represents southern pride. I equate it to how my black community uses the word nigga. Yeah to white racist and white people in general from the past that word was a negative slur towards black people. We as a culture have taken the original word dropped the ER added the letter A and use it as a term of indearment to one another and as a sign of brotherhood and togetherness. So if we can take something negative, flip it, and use for something positive, why can't that be the story for that flag.

Response by 1SG John Willis made Mar 26 at 2015 9:00 AM

1SG John Willis — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:00:50 -0400

Personally I am offended by the confederate and rebel flags because of what I feel they represent. But that's a personal matter. As a citizen of this country I recognize everyone's right to free speech and expression. As a member of the armed forces I recognize that we all are held to a high moral standard and that it's up to the Commander to maintain good order and discipline within his or her command. That being said I think it should be handled on a case by case basis. If the flag isn't causing a problem with unit cohesion and the Soldier works well within the team concept, I would probably first inform the command of said flag but recommend that no action be taken. Because remember that is the Commander's call to make. We as NCO's are here to advise the Commander on Soldier issues. Just my two cents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 5:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:25:02 -0400

AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline
If it is inside your so called private room and your not trying to hide anything and if you really know the true meaning behind the flag or symbol I don't have a problem with it.
While in Germany I had one on my wall and my neighbor had picures of Malcum X we got along great.

Response by SPC Laura Snow made Jul 14 at 2015 10:14 PM

SPC Laura Snow — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:14:13 -0400

No discipline and let him keep it under restrictions that he don't display it for it could be offensive to others

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 14 at 2015 10:21 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:21:39 -0400

None necessary as there's no AR that forbids it.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Jul 18 at 2015 7:42 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:42:46 -0400

From my point of view if there are complaints made about the flag the Soldier should remove it or the commander can use their discretion to remove it. We are all in the adults and should handle ourselves accordingly. I personally own a Confederate Battle Flag do I fly it or display it prominently, no but as a citizen I am entitled to own it. It part of history and history good or bad is that history and you must learn from history less you will repeat it. You cannot simply take a flag down and end racism it not a flag that is racist it is people that are racist. However, I digress and I will stop my rant.

Response by Sgt Jamie Grippin made Aug 18 at 2016 1:42 PM

Sgt Jamie Grippin — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:42:00 -0400

So long as it was not displayed i would do nothing. Its part of our history and pretending it never happened serves no one. I don't think is should be hanging from a government flag pole but as a symbol the south for an individual to relate to I have no problem with. No one is trying to bring back slavery or defend it. If anything we need to remember it so it doesn't happen again.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2016 2:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:52:53 -0400

It's all perception. So if it stinks to you, SFC, then have him take it down. He doesn't necessarily have to get rid of it, but in order to maintain good order and discipline, have the soldier take it down to avoid further issues in the future.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2016 1:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:27:04 -0400

If it's in his barracks room, I wouldn't give it much thought. Maybe pay a little more attention to his action and how he carries himself around *ALL* soldiers - is he making racist jokes or remarks? If not, and the regulation doesn't *SPECIFICALLY* state that a soldier can't have Confederate flags in his or her barracks room, I'd leave it be.

Response by SPC Scott Vaughn made Aug 30 at 2016 5:28 PM

SPC Scott Vaughn — Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:28:35 -0400

I have experience with this very issue. While living in the barracks in New Ulm, Germany, I proudly displayed a Texas flag and a Confederate flag on the walls of my side of the room. My roommate, PFC Hughes, a good soldier and friend who happens to be of color, proudly displayed a Malcomb X flag on his side of the room. We both agreed that the flags were a part of our heritage and acceptable.
During his first inspection, the new "Top" (also of color) told me to take the Rebel Flag down. I did. After the inspection, Hughes and I discussed how all 3 flags were up for more than a year, and flown through MANY inspections with no problems at all. He mentioned that nothing was said about the Malcomb X flag. I asked Hughes if he had my back, and I put it back up. Upon re-inspection of my room, 'Top' invited me to his office to discuss my insubordination. After a lengthy discussion between Top and CO (also of color), about racism and insubordination and 'what that flag stands for', I was ordered to take the flag down and leave it down. I was then asked if I understood the order and had any question about it. I told them i did in fact understand the order. I did not understand the reasoning behind it, however. So, I had to endure another lecture about racism and what that flag stands for... blah blah blah. I was allowed to listen, and not have an opinion.
Early the very next day, a man sporting a star on his collar (IG I assume), knocked on our door and requested a visit with Hughes and me. He asked to see how the flag was displayed, so Hughes and I put it back up. He asked our opinions about the inspection and recent 'flag issues' during a wonderful hour-long very informal visit. As he was leaving, he stopped at the door and assured me that if I never mentioned it, I would not hear another word about removing any of these three flags. He was correct...
Every situation is different... if there is no problem, do not allow there to be one. If there is a problem, be fair. Avoid stereotypes, and clarify misconceptions. Truth, Honesty and Unity are cousins.

Response by MAJ Mary Rahill made Sep 1 at 2016 10:41 PM

MAJ Mary Rahill — Thu, 01 Sep 2016 22:41:40 -0400

Have it taken down

Response by SPC Jason Lloyd made Sep 2 at 2016 9:14 PM

SPC Jason Lloyd — Fri, 02 Sep 2016 21:14:53 -0400

None

Response by MSG Stanley Bridges made Sep 4 at 2016 10:19 PM

MSG Stanley Bridges — Sun, 04 Sep 2016 22:19:34 -0400

Get rid of it

Response by SSG Carl Sensabaugh II made Apr 10 at 2017 6:26 PM

SSG Carl Sensabaugh II — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:26:21 -0400

I had a Confederate flag in my barracks room. My roommate was a well educated black man and when the 1SG was inspecting the room he asked if my roommate if he found it offensive. He told the 1SG that he did not because he knew what it actually stood for. (I had asked my roommate prior to the inspection if he would have an issue with it and he told me no)

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Apr 11 at 2017 8:02 PM

SGT Mathew Husen — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:02:17 -0400

I would do nothing, as long it is not a nazi flag, who cares

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 11:40 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 11:40:50 -0400

This flag has different meaning to different people. This flag has never represented the confederacy. It was a battle flag for Northern Virginia. A lot of the issue over this flag comes from ignorance.
Personally, I wonder why anyone would want to hoist a flag that has been on the losing end time and time again.

Response by 1SG Stephen Burgess made Apr 17 at 2017 12:46 PM

1SG Stephen Burgess — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:46:22 -0400

That's why the commander gets the big bucks.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 17 at 2017 3:05 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 15:05:22 -0400

They took up arms against the United States and killed American soldiers. You have to establish ownership, it could have been planted. Use it as a learning experience, line them up. Have your soldier holding his flag and explain that this is not the CSA, future offenses will be punished. Have each soldier sign up that he/she had the class. Keep the flag

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 3:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 15:14:51 -0400

It's a barracks room. Sheesh. Does anyone come into my garage off post and deem my pirate and rebel flag offensive? No. It's a soldiers home.
Soany soldiers have that flag tattooed on thier body. Stop looking for trouble. You can't walk into someone's "home" /barracks and be offended. It just doesn't work that way.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 4:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:18:52 -0400

What about the Malcom x and Che tshirts

Response by PO1 Daniel Christian made Apr 17 at 2017 4:54 PM

PO1 Daniel Christian — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:54:34 -0400

What exactly does the "NOT WHITE" have to do with anything. A Soldier had a flag hanging in his barracks! Unless you are some kind of pussy liberal POS, who cares? Was his bunk made proper, were his uniforms hung proper, were there unauthorized cooking appliances... these are things that an inspector should be looking at, not how an American Soldier decides to display his heritage. The military really got stupid!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 6:16 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:16:02 -0400

If there's a regulation against it, I've never heard of it. Would be the same as hanging a Puerto Rican or Italian flag.

Response by Cpl Zach Wellborn made Apr 17 at 2017 6:29 PM

Cpl Zach Wellborn — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:29:51 -0400

Nothing. It's not illegal, dangerous or threatening. It's also a historic marker so there's that.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 6:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:34:07 -0400

I have seen this type of thing once before. As a young soldier working in a BDE HQ living in the barracks I for a time shared a room with a soldier who was from Alabama and was black. I am white and from NY. Both of us had decorated our respective portions of our barracks room with flags and such. He had a Confederate flag and an Alabama state flag hanging. I had a NY state flag, a Korean flag that was given to me and a Jolly Roger. During a room inspection I was told that I had to take down the Confederate flag because my roommate was black and it was offensive. This was by the Company Commander. My roommate spoke up explaining that he didn't find it offensive and that the flag was his. Never heard anything else on the matter

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 8:54 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:54:30 -0400

If a commander determines that the flag is disrupting good order and discipline, the commander can order it taken down. It shouldn't be done arbitrarily, or because someone else at another base gave the same order. A good commander will explain, through the NCO chain, the reasons that decision was made.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Apr 17 at 2017 8:56 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:56:24 -0400

Anyone sniffling? Any little hearts broken? So what?

I fail to see the problem. As a General once told me while I was on the trail, "Sergeant, you're pole vaulting over fly shit".

Response by SSG William Jones made Apr 17 at 2017 9:23 PM

SSG William Jones — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:23:18 -0400

Fair question...

Response by SSG William Jones made Apr 17 at 2017 9:37 PM

SSG William Jones — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:37:02 -0400

Check this out...

https://youtu.be/zDH5o1gUamU

The Truth Concerning the Confederate Battle Flag

For 224 years America was a country of slavery under the stars and stripes of the American flag. Why then should a person feel hate toward a flag that flew b...

Response by SMSgt William Hassiepen made Apr 17 at 2017 9:37 PM

SMSgt William Hassiepen — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:37:54 -0400

Nothing, I'm sick and tired of all this PC garbage. So its in his room, so what? Now the military has become "sensitive"? Geeze, this isn't the military I served in for 22 years. Please stop the wussification. So someone is "offended" so what!

Response by SSG William Jones made Apr 17 at 2017 9:39 PM

SSG William Jones — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:39:39 -0400

Check this out...
https://youtu.be/zDH5o1gUamU

The Truth Concerning the Confederate Battle Flag

For 224 years America was a country of slavery under the stars and stripes of the American flag. Why then should a person feel hate toward a flag that flew b...

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Apr 17 at 2017 11:18 PM

PO3 John Wagner — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:18:27 -0400

This worried you why?

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 18 at 2017 12:15 AM

COL Charles Williams — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 00:15:09 -0400

SFC Seth King As I have done before, I would ask them to take it down. I would ask them, if you were reporting to your commander for UCMJ and they had this flag hanging behind their desk, how would you feel?

Response by Cpl Phillip Brame made Apr 18 at 2017 10:04 AM

Cpl Phillip Brame — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:04:49 -0400

Barracks inspections used to be done every Thursday during my time. Even though the BOSS program was in full effect I did them under Health and Welfare Inspections. Once again this shows a lack of discipline and good order that is supposed to be enforced by the NCO. There should be no flags other than the American flag flown or displayed on the military installation.

Response by SFC Stephen Williams made Apr 18 at 2017 10:16 AM

SFC Stephen Williams — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:16:34 -0400

Are you going to go to an NCO's home and remove his /hers flag....

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 18 at 2017 1:39 PM

PO1 John Miller — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:39:36 -0400

Is the Gadsden Flag racist?

Response by LTC David Cushen made Apr 18 at 2017 7:59 PM

LTC David Cushen — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:59:12 -0400

The correct publication reference is DA Pam 600-15, Extremist Activities, and even though it was published in 2000, it is still an active and applicable document. I recommend using it along with AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, and the 'reasonable person standard' to determine whether or not to remove the flag, and document the course of action in writing. The written article above doesn't provide enough content or context for me to render a verdict. The Soldier's race or ethnicity should be irrelevant. While it is important to understand the Soldier's perspective on the meaning of the flag, it is also important to understand the impact the flag may have (or is having) on others and on the unit, directly and/or indirectly. From the Soldier's perspective, there may be no connection to extremist groups or ideologies... still, more weight must be given to the impact rather than the intent. As an example, in one of my unit's formal briefing rooms, we had artwork displaying several battle scenes from different eras. One of them was a scene that neutrally highlighted Nathan Bedford Forrest--Confederate general and KKK member. It negatively impacted several Civilian and Military personnel. The intent was to display military artwork and history... the impact was a negative reaction within the unit. The artwork was removed.

Reasonable Person Standard: A phrase frequently used in tort and Criminal Law to denote a hypothetical person in society who exercises average care, skill, and judgment in conduct and who serves as a comparative standard for determining liability.

The decision whether an accused is guilty of a given offense might involve the application of an objective test in which the conduct of the accused is compared to that of a reasonable person under similar circumstances. In most cases, persons with greater than average skills, or with special duties to society, are held to a higher standard of care. For example, a physician who aids a person in distress is held to a higher standard of care than is an ordinary person.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2017 1:42 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:42:15 -0400

Take that one down, and someone better be taking a whole lot of others down!!! Discipline that member, and I can think of others who should be, BUT AREN'T BEING, court-martialed.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 12:54 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:54:06 -0400

No action required IMO, unless it's part of a shrine to white supremacy (I'm being intentionally facetious) or something otherwise against regs. It's personal property and unless there are regs against it I can't see where any actions are required. If in doubt consult with Adjutant or JAG within the unit to determine the Commander's policy. If there are Army regs or the Commander has established policy then they must be adhered to, but absent that or any indications of prejudicial conduct, I'd see it as a non-event. Commanders can establish policy or orders if they so choose, such as no unframed posters on the walls and most anything else, so get clarification. Although some have used the N VA Battle Flag as a symbol for some bad things in the past, at face value it's just a flag. Despite much rhetoric the Flag has great meaning to many people all over the country, and not all of that is hate. People collect things for many reasons. History buffs, Civil War buffs etc. Judgement is key but that also pertains to any over-reaction. The only dumb question is one that doesn't get asked, because it is never answered. Thanks for sharing and good luck.

Response by CPL Bryan Thornton made Apr 20 at 2017 3:13 PM

CPL Bryan Thornton — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:13:12 -0400

The rebel flag was a flag of a violent enemy to the nation. That's all it is. Our oath was to this nation and its flag.

Response by PO2 Marc Gunter made Apr 25 at 2017 8:37 AM

PO2 Marc Gunter — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:37:00 -0400

I had this "discussion" with a base commander back in the '80s in SC. I was told to remove the Confederate flag license plate from my truck (I am of southern heritage). I argued to the base CO that if I have to remove the symbol of my heritage, I wanted all Puerto Rican, Cuban, African, British and other non-US flags removed as well. He must have figured that was a battle he didn't want to fight because he let the Stars and Bars stay around.

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Apr 27 at 2017 9:53 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:53:35 -0400

Does it really matter nowadays? Freedom of Speech is no dead. No matter where you go, say, or do, some snowflake is offended. Those Fascists on College Campus today who are rioting over what someone said, or will say are our future leaders, and the Military will get their fair share. As POGO said: " we have me he enemy, and it is us."

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2017 1:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:24:21 -0400

If the soldier lives in a situation where they share a bedroom and has a roommate who is offended by it I would have them take it down to maintain good order and discipline. If not I would leave him alone. That flag represents different things to different people. if he doesn't display racist or discriminatory actions/words in any other situation I would leave him alone.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Apr 27 at 2017 3:27 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:27:16 -0400

I don't see what the big deal is. I don't see people getting bent out of shape about hundreds of rebel flags hanging in museums. Hell, I have a German military beer stein with a swastika from WW2 sitting on my fireplace mantel with other beer steins I've collected and I'm not a racist. So why make a big deal out of someone hanging a rebel flag in the privacy of their own room when no one has complained about it? There is nothing sinister about a rebel flag. It represents fighting men who fought honorably and valiantly for their country. Fort Bragg is named for Confederate General Braxton Bragg. Yes, some people may be offended by it, but here are some words of wisdom to live by: Just because you're offended by something someone has done, it doesn't necessarily mean they have done anything to offend you.

Response by MSG O'Connor Pat made Apr 27 at 2017 3:43 PM

MSG O'Connor Pat — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:43:15 -0400

As a soldier I swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. I believe that displaying the Confederate flag is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution, being the freedom of speech. The Uniform Code of Military Justice has statutes to address behavior and actions of soldiers that are a detriment to the good order of our forces.

Response by Cpl Phillip Brame made Apr 27 at 2017 8:37 PM

Cpl Phillip Brame — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:37:40 -0400

Does this sound familiar to anyone here who believes that the confederate flag being displayed in the barracks or barracks rooms, UNIT COHESION? Offensive is like beauty it is in they eyes of the beholder. Just 1 soldier who finds that flag offensive affects one of the very principles that makes any Army Strong. UNIT COHESION.

Response by CCMSgt Joe Dehorty made Apr 28 at 2017 6:41 PM

CCMSgt Joe Dehorty — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:41:19 -0400

I find that most people do not know that the CSA had four different flags, with each flag denoting the number of states in the CSA. 7,9,11, and finally 13.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America) Non of which were the Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Northern_Virginia) which most people refer to as the "rebel" flag or "Confederate" flag. As a native Virginian, I try to educate as many people that I can.

Flags of the Confederate States of America) - Wikipedia

Response by SGT Jack Stevens made May 4 at 2017 8:17 PM

SGT Jack Stevens — Thu, 04 May 2017 20:17:40 -0400

Really, when did PC become the way of thinking in the military. Barracks inspections, is this not your soldiers homes? Do you have married soldiers who live off base? Are you inspecting their quarters? As long as no other soldiers are complaining, he isn't shoving it in others faces, I'd leave it alone. Cause I'm sure this is a can of worms you don't want to open.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 12:09 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 May 2017 00:09:06 -0400

"common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there"
Really?
What "common sense" says that and who are the "some"?
Is this simply a concession to the obsession with "political correctness" that has "mysteriously" invaded the armed forces (and every governmental dependency) during the socialist period of government encompassing 2008-2016?
I realize the question was posted during the apogee of that socialist period - 3 years ago - but it still amazes me. I suppose any Japanese-Americans who might have in their possession a Japanese flag should also be singled out for ostracism and flag confiscation. Oh! And our fellow citizens from Puerto Rico who have a Puertorrican flag (which is also co-opted by communist/socialist/fascist pro-independence groups) should probably be given the same treatment. Oh! And... ... ... Well, let's stop there, although I could go on and on.

I just think the whole thing is getting so ridiculous. If we are going to apply the wimpy "Oh! Oh! I'm offended!" criteria to the Army too, then I guess we shouldn't be surprised if some soldiers decide they don't want to fight because they are "offended" by all the violence and mayhem they are exposed to in different locations. It's pathetic... and disgusting.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 8:16 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 May 2017 20:16:15 -0400

My counter-question is, "Do those who are offended have the final word on something they deem offensive?"

There is a difference between words and symbols. Words usually mean exactly what they say. So I would have no problem at all banning T-shirts, posters, and so on with words like, "Kill the _____".

Symbols are different. To some, the Confederate flag is a symbol of states rights, the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, and the idea that the Federal government is supposed to be our servant, not our master. Someone may wish to fly a Mexican flag, as a symbol of pride in their race, which just because a person is proud to be what they are, isn't any kind of challenge to someone from another race.

I often wonder how the perpetually butthurt will perform on a battlefield. Perhaps their best use might me to send them to the enemy, with a petition that they quit being meanies. Might work, and even if it didn't, it would make for a more cohesive unit.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made May 10 at 2017 9:23 AM

SSG Wally Lawver — Wed, 10 May 2017 09:23:29 -0400

nothing.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made May 12 at 2017 9:43 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Fri, 12 May 2017 09:43:19 -0400

None as long as the soldier was only displaying in his locker and not trying to make trouble with it.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made May 12 at 2017 11:19 AM

SSgt Michael Cox — Fri, 12 May 2017 11:19:19 -0400

What is the post commanders orders about the flag.

Response by MSgt Jason McClish made May 12 at 2017 8:36 PM

MSgt Jason McClish — Fri, 12 May 2017 20:36:43 -0400

It would take me a long time to read all of the responses, but it looks like you answered your own question in AR 600-15 para 2-4. Yes, you conducted the barracks inspection, but it's the commander's decision on whether or not it's ok. The way I see that is, an enlisted person will never need to worry about it as it takes a commissioned officer to make he decision.

Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2017 1:36 PM

AN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 May 2017 13:36:25 -0400

Ok if I put a black panther flag up in my baracks room we will see how that will fly with the upper chain of command

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2017 6:48 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 May 2017 18:48:17 -0400

Back in bootcamp, I was one of the Religious PO's, there was one for every religion within the Division, and every night a different RPO would conduct prayer, always praying to the lord, leaving that open to anyone and everyone's interpretation, no one was ever ofended. Back in the fleet, a lot of the guys liked their rebel flag, but no one was ofended. If the CO wants to avoid trouble he can strongly suggest to remove it, but at the end it is really a matter of either climate or perception.

Response by LTC Ken "Stoney" Stonebraker made May 20 at 2017 9:08 AM

LTC Ken "Stoney" Stonebraker — Sat, 20 May 2017 09:08:28 -0400

As former commander of several diverse units, I have supported what my men and women needs to maintain their moral in trying times whether is was a flag, symbol or poster. Because every individual serviceman has a history and heritage that can be identified within the history and diversity of our great nation.
I am tired of a few being offended of others history, heritage and beliefs. The military, law enforcement, firefighters and EMTs truly understands what sacrifice, commitment and brotherhood really means. They make sacrifices for the welfare of others daily, thus let's enjoy the simple freedom of cherishing our own heritage and history.

Response by LTC Ken "Stoney" Stonebraker made May 20 at 2017 9:11 AM

LTC Ken "Stoney" Stonebraker — Sat, 20 May 2017 09:11:50 -0400

Response by MSG Mamerto Perez made May 21 at 2017 7:56 AM

MSG Mamerto Perez — Sun, 21 May 2017 07:56:58 -0400

I know the Southern States like the Confederate Flag. So do I, as a Mexican American but there were issues about the African Americans and I can relate to them. As a Army Retiree, I know it is against Regulations to have other flags that the US Flag.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made May 21 at 2017 12:24 PM

CPO Bill Penrod — Sun, 21 May 2017 12:24:56 -0400

Get rid of all Confederate flags, monuments, memorials and purge these things from the history books. What do you have to prove slavery..........nothing. Be careful what you wish for because it might come true in ways you can't imagine.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2017 2:11 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 May 2017 14:11:08 -0400

No complaints, in his barracks room - what's the issue?

You're quoting the wrong regulation - 600-15 isn't active anymore. You should be using AR 600-20 Army Command Policy. The applicable paragraph says this - "Commanders have the authority to prohibit military personnel from engaging in or participating in any other activities that the commander determines will adversely affect good order and discipline or morale within the command. This includes, but is not limited to, the authority to order the removal of symbols, flags, posters, or other displays from barracks, to place areas or activities off-limits (see AR 190–24), or to order Soldiers not to participate in those activities that are contrary to good order and discipline or morale of the unit or pose a threat to health, safety, and security of military personnel or a military installation" Para 4-12 (8)c http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r600_20.pdf
The issue at hand is "good order and discipline or morale" and I don't think you've met the test for taking action.

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Response by 1SG Jay Vanderford made May 23 at 2017 3:45 PM

1SG Jay Vanderford — Tue, 23 May 2017 15:45:40 -0400

First and foremost, no action necessary, its American history and only represents oppression to racists, of which, we do not condone in the military. It holds an important part of American history and Slavery was merely a small part of the civil war, in fact, over a millions people remained legal slaves for years after the civil war ended.

here is a short excerpt I hope paints a picture, yet, please research on your own, most true history has been redacted out of our school system, bu the very folks that created it.

What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America?

A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery.

In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.

A key issue was states' rights.

The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.

Another factor was territorial expansion.

The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.

Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence.

The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal. His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.

Feeling excluded from the political system, they turned to the only alternative they believed was left to them: secession, a political decision that led directly to war.

Secession is the thing I would focus on here, and I say that simply because as you look around the news, and you see people that no longer support this country and its elected officials it stands to reason that maybe, its because we allowed political correctness to hide our history, and as the saying goes, thought that history is bound to repeat itself in so doing.

So rather than take a racist view of the Confederate Flag, it should be viewed more as the South wanting to secede from the Federal government and have their own rules. Perfect sense would tell us that were this flag an actual racist symbol, then in that same thought, anyone opposed to it would surely not support the democratic party, I mean, the founders of the KKK, in fact, the late Senator Byrd led the local KKK chapter.

Flash forward, which party again has taken to violence to stop people that support the President? who was out in full force disrupting voters at the polls, violence again was mounted against the people that were voting for a Republican candidate (Freedom Party as it was known in the day). So banning, skewing or redacting our history bad or good can only lead to repeating it, I would do nothing, our military should net become so politically correct it can no longer function, we are not for everyone and making changes to accommodate everyone can only weaken our ranks.

Response by SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop made May 25 at 2017 9:39 AM

SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop — Thu, 25 May 2017 09:39:02 -0400

We keep saying we are defending the rights of others. What about a soldiers rights. The flag was in his room, not at a rally on base stirring up dissension. Common sense should prevail. He has a right to hang the flag up in his room.

J. Bishop "Audy Murphy", SFC, Retired

Response by SGT Matt Voll made May 26 at 2017 7:52 PM

SGT Matt Voll — Fri, 26 May 2017 19:52:13 -0400

Finally some common sense!! The "Stars and Bars" have a historical reference and is very much a part of AMERICAN history. Those who ignore it are doomed to repeat it.

Who cares. For many Southerners it's a sense of pride, not racism (I live in the North). This is one I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over

Response by Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller made May 27 at 2017 9:53 AM

Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller — Sat, 27 May 2017 09:53:57 -0400

Do nothing if people don't like it don't go in his or her room, as long as there is no reg prohibiting it.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made May 27 at 2017 11:10 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sat, 27 May 2017 11:10:11 -0400

Current political correctness (2017) would require you, the Commander, to ask the service member to take the flag down. The Commander should probably turn the issue over to the senior enlisted person. Let the First Sergeant meet with the service member and discuss the reasons for displaying the flag and how it might make other people feel uncomfortable. Emphasis should be on the "one team, one fight" theme.

Response by SFC Ssg Sabin made May 28 at 2017 3:24 AM

SFC Ssg Sabin — Sun, 28 May 2017 03:24:29 -0400

Wow! This is the new politicly correct Army? I would have ripped it down, stood eyeball to eyeball with the soldier, and proceeded to explain to him using as many four-letter words that I could think of, and then some, why that flag will never be seen again IN MY BARRACKS! Then have him report to the 1st Shirt and explain to him why he's there. But that's just me.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made May 28 at 2017 7:24 AM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 28 May 2017 07:24:33 -0400

Leadership means you represent and protect ALL soldiers ALL of the time. Anything that's not GREEN or RED, WHITE and BLUE, should come under strict, non emotional scrutiny. Personal beliefs and preferences aside, you have the obligation to maintain good order and discipline among your troops. The UCMJ governs U.S. military personnel, and one's freedoms and liberties in the military are NOT the same as they are in the civilian world. Having grown up in Southern California, the son of the descendants of Union soldiers from the Civil War, and then attending undergraduate school in the South was a HUGE awakening for me. From living in a totally integrated society, who in 1980 may be discussing the Vietnam War, to living in a still fairly segregated society, whose casual conversations about "war" more often than not were about "The War Between the States," was tough to grasp at first. There were "Old South" parties on fraternity front lawns, where the Sons of Confederate Soldiers wore gray costume uniforms, and their dates wore hoop skirts, and the house employees, all black, wore period costumes and served mint juleps to the guests. Yes, this was in the early 1980's. On Old South Day, the celebration included a parade down University Avenue, which cut through the center of campus. Did this represent all Southerners? Did this represent the University? Whom did it exclude? Whom did it offend? In the barracks, a home away from home for soldiers from all walks of life, all races, creeds, religions and backgrounds, I believe the watering hole philosophy must be followed, no matter the leader's or individual's personal feelings on the subject. The Watering Hole means EVERYONE should feel safe at all times. There should be no hazing, no bullying, no physical or mental or emotional abuse. We are ONE TEAM, the GREEN TEAM, and anything that goes against that, even PERCEIVED, must not be tolerated. Being on a team means taking care of each other, looking out for each other, caring for each other and helping each other. Remember that in the military PERCEPTION is REALITY. Officers and others can be prosecuted under the UCMJ for perceptions of inappropriateness, relationships especially. My advice would be individual counseling of the soldier. I would explain to the troop just what I mentioned above, and them tell him he needs to keep personal items that may be offensive to his teammates to himself. Period. I would document the counseling session and then move on.

Response by COL John Hudson made May 28 at 2017 10:47 AM

COL John Hudson — Sun, 28 May 2017 10:47:20 -0400

From the IG Desk. Regardless of anyone's feelings on the matter, service members are permitted to have or display aspects of their personal beliefs, so long as those items do NOT invite any aspect of controversy, division, or are in opposition to UCMJ guidance. If that occurs, the issue would need to be addressed by the Commander and adjudicated in accordance with specific UCMJ guidance and local Command policy. Your "not white" comment is interesting...was there a 'racial' aspect not in evidence here; complaints perhaps from another service member? Absent anyone complaining or any violation of UCMJ guidance or local policy (or additional detail from you), I see nothing here to prevent the service member from his/her display.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made May 28 at 2017 1:00 PM

SFC Charles Temm — Sun, 28 May 2017 13:00:23 -0400

Not a damn thing.

I'm a proud Yankee and my ancestors fought against those who flew the various flags of the rebellion but I have no prob w/those who would fly it today as long as they do their duty and don't fly those flags over the national.

For those whose feelings get hurt something as simple as a flag owned by a fellow trooper, you may be in the wrong business, go into politics-it's a growth industry for such people.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 2:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 May 2017 14:12:37 -0400

Personally, I couldn't care any less, because the Conferate flag is not a universal symbol of slavery. The Nazi flag, that would be different since it blatantly represents hatred.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 28 at 2017 2:32 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sun, 28 May 2017 14:32:24 -0400

SFC Seth King Perhaps you might try SPEAKING to the solder if you wish to have any intelligent, reasonable and relevant information to base a decision on..
First, there is no such AR http://www.apd.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/AR.aspx
Second, assuming you misspoke and meant DA PAM 600-15, Extremest activities ...Yes para 2-4 states "Command authority
Commanders have the authority to prohibit military personnel from engaging in or participating in any other activities that the commander determines will adversely affect good order and discipline or morale within the command. This includes, but is not limited to, the authority to order the removal of symbols, flags, posters, or other displays from barracks, to place areas or activities off-limits (see AR 190-24), or to order soldiers not to participate in those activities that are contrary to good order and discipline or morale of the unit or pose a threat to health, safety, and security of military personnel or a military installation"

Please answer for us, your position that the flag you found meets the criteria cited above. .. Pretend your speaking to a commander with the authority to order that flag removed.. State your case to that commander here...
SUPPORT YOUR POSITION HERE
Remember your feelings do not count, and as the flag itself is NOT a specific, known, tangible symbol of any recognized extremest activity, in that such mere possession would likely indicate the SM is in violation of DA PAM 600-15.
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Be a leader and not a Sergeant.. TALK with the SM, find out what the flag mean to him? What does it represent? Then and ONLY then, if his actions or words indicate the flag is a symbol of an extremest activity he advocates, supports or participates in you should approach your commander and say to him(her) what you wrote up above to my question.

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Response by CPO Bill Penrod made May 28 at 2017 4:25 PM

CPO Bill Penrod — Sun, 28 May 2017 16:25:57 -0400

By removing statutes of Confederate heroes and not flying the flags. Folks are trying to change history and they might just do that and without evidence that slavery ever existed.

Response by 1stSgt Daryl Allen made May 28 at 2017 8:36 PM

1stSgt Daryl Allen — Sun, 28 May 2017 20:36:25 -0400

As a young Airman at my first duty station I had hung a 3'x5' Confederate Flag on my wall. It never created problems until a visiting General Officer wanted me to put a frame around it. According to regulations a frame wasn't required but from that point forward there was issues with some of the residents in our dorm. I removed the flag and secured it in my wall locker until I left. It is heritage not hatred.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 1:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 01:11:52 -0400

I'd take it down if it's against the regs.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 9:17 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 09:17:45 -0400

I wouldn't have an issue with this but I would have to look a the overall picture. The flag is just that, a flag. If the soldier has a other items that might be questionable like a magazine to a questionable group or membership then I would look into it more. If it is just a flag then I wouldn't really worry about it. I was a member of the 120th Infantry. They are a National Guard unit out of North Carolina. Their lineage traces back to the Confederacy. They fought for the South. So it is not uncommon to see people from NC take pride in that. I don't really see an issue with that.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 10:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 10:06:25 -0400

Is it appropriate for military personnel to display in military facilities? In my opinion, no. If they want to display their heritage using something other than an official State flag, then they can wait until they ETS or rent an apartment/house.

Its a touchy situation. People can say it is/is not racist all day long, but the meaning of that particular flag comes down to individual perspective; of which our personal intent does not negate. If you ask a neo-nazi about the meaning of the Nazi Flag, they will give you a much different answer than that of a holocaust descendant (I know I know, Godwin's Law). Just because the bearer doesn't have ill-intent in mind, doesn't mean that those whose histories were negatively effected under the defeated battle flag won't feel some type of way about it, and possibly not place full trust in the Soldier bearing it; thus covertly affecting good order and discipline in a mixed ethnicity unit.

Just my opinion though.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 3:24 PM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 15:24:16 -0400

Check the rules and regs. I don't see anything that says you cannot have a "rebel" flag unless a command instruction states otherwise. It's a part of the country's history. I do not see anything inherently "racist" about it. These men and women are serving their country and take an oath. Anyone who has beliefs that one American's life is more valuable than another's based on their race is betraying that oath. This flag has nothing to do with that.

Response by Sgt Mark Moreland made May 30 at 2017 9:01 AM

Sgt Mark Moreland — Tue, 30 May 2017 09:01:36 -0400

Leave the soldier alone! Lord knows these guys and ladies go through enough already and since its inside his room, he's not harming one person! Besides, all the services don't apply the rules fairly to everyone anyways! Here lately I've read a lot of troubling articles about officers doing heinous things and not getting punished like an enlisted person would, which by the way isn't fair at all! Just because they wear something shiny on their collar doesn't make them better than the enlisted soldiers and for this even being a issue or you making it an issue is RIDICULOUS! If you inspected the officers quarters and found that you wouldn't of even brought this to anyone's attention! Please tell me why it is that any officer can get caught for lets say a DUI and nothing is made of it, but if it were an enlisted soldier they'd of been run up the flag pole by being NJP'd! Just like the couple Generals who did some heinous things, they were only forced to retire and were able to keep every benefit there is and once again, had it been an enlisted soldier they'd of gotten a dishonorable discharge and lost everything and reduced to a private! So, what I'm saying is leave this soldier alone and start thinking about how you treat the enlisted soldiers so much more differently than you do your officers before you make him take his flag down or give him either a Page 11 or NJP, because you know you wouldn't reprimand one of your own officers which by the way is totally wrong! I say let the man keep his flag up since its in his supposedly private space except for field day inspections because after all you stated that he wasn't white which I totally think you were wrong for even telling us what his race was, well you basically did by saying he wasn't white! Did you ever think that this could be part of his heritage and something he believes in with all his heart? I just don't get why it is that most officers think there better than the enlisted soldiers just because you went to college and you never experienced what recruit training is and walked a mile in Senior Staff NCO's boots or for a matter of fact any of the enlisted man's boots! Military rules don't apply to officers like they do the enlisted men and women and everyone knows that, because of they did those Generals who got into serious trouble would of gotten what the enlisted soldiers would of got and that's kicked out with a dishonorable discharge and loss of all benefits, not just a slap on the wrist by being made to retire while still getting paid every month and if you think that's not true go back and look up and read about some of the top brass that's gotten into trouble and see what punishment they got and then tell me if it was an enlisted soldier if they'd of gotten a slap on the wrist! Hell no they wouldn't have, they'd of lost everything! So, please research this information before you do something or make a hasty decision regarding the enlisted soldier and him having a flag in the barracks room that he lives in.

Response by CPL Cathy Bair made May 30 at 2017 3:59 PM

CPL Cathy Bair — Tue, 30 May 2017 15:59:50 -0400

The Confederate flag is part of our military history. It's only offensive to ignorant people who need to read up on American history. The soldier has a right to have the tattoo . Most military personnel have flags or unit crest tattooed on there body. No tattoo should be visible while in uniform

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made May 30 at 2017 6:23 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Tue, 30 May 2017 18:23:02 -0400

I would be more concerned. If it was an ISIS flag.

Response by PO1 Mike Chamberlin made May 31 at 2017 8:02 AM

PO1 Mike Chamberlin — Wed, 31 May 2017 08:02:11 -0400

Tell them they lost and to get over it.

Response by SFC Marino Aquisap made May 31 at 2017 5:50 PM

SFC Marino Aquisap — Wed, 31 May 2017 17:50:57 -0400

As long as the display has no racist, religious, ethnically disturbing print on the flag, then respect the owners display, AR 600-15 para 2-4 is vague and can be interpreted per se by the soldiers leadership by their feelings and not the established rules and regulations. Also, the soldier should visit the post trial defense service to defend his/her self in case allegations will be brought up. I'm an American of Filipino descent and a 25 year Army retiree and don't see any problem with the display considering I grew up in the south with the confederate flag displayed around the great southern states. It's a matter of southern heritage for all Americans of all shades who grew up in the south, hence it is not a flag representing prejudice. Now, if it was a black lives matter flag, white power flag, brown power flag, terrorist organization banners and political partisan i.e. communist party related, then yes, as a senior leader I will take those toxic flags down and have the service member counseled by his/her immediate supervisor. Overall, we do have published Army regulations that do get specific concerning possible infractions including the UCMJ.

Response by SGT Rob Saylor made May 31 at 2017 8:49 PM

SGT Rob Saylor — Wed, 31 May 2017 20:49:14 -0400

Nowhere in the constitution does it say that you have the right to not be offended. I'm pretty sure army regulations don't say that either but I could be wrong considering how wussified our country has become. And I'm curious, just how could a person who is non-white (your words) having a confederate flag be deemed offensive? I could see if he were white since apparently being born white automatically makes you a racist in this county but seriously?????

Response by SPC Paul Vaneizenga made Jun 1 at 2017 7:25 PM

SPC Paul Vaneizenga — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 19:25:39 -0400

If it doesn't affect the mission, then it is not a priority. Move on to a more urgent priority.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2017 10:31 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:31:48 -0400

Since this post has more or less become a post on the flag itself and not your question about what to do in your situation I'll jump in. In my opinion, too many people fly the rebel flag because of "heritage" and they really have no idea what they're talking about. I was born and raised in the deep south (Mississippi) and I love it here. There is plenty for us to be proud of. But we cannot just glaze over the fact that 200 years ago our fellow southerners bought and sold human beings as if they were cattle and then fought a war to preserve their "right" to do that. Like it or not, this flag represents that time in American/southern history. No, it wasn't the official flag of the confederacy but so what? The Totenkopf wasn't the official symbol of Nazi Germany in WWII but I think we'd all understand if Jews took offense to it. I take offense to it and I'm not even Jewish.

Regardless of how you personally feel about the flag, you can't ignore that it is now used by racists groups who actively hate our brothers and sisters in arms because of the color of their skin. Would you be ok with someone flying the ISIS flag if they said "Oh I don't support them but I'm from the middle east and Islam is part of my heritage"? I doubt it right? You'd probably tell them to pick another Islamic symbol. One without direct ties to a group that hates us for being us and wants us all dead. Same goes for the rebel flag.

If you are a southerner and feel the need to display your pride in your heritage (there is certainly a lot to be proud of for sure) can you not pick a symbol that doesn't offend you're brothers and sisters? For me it might be a picture of the Mississippi river, a catfish, etc. Something other than a symbol that was extracted from a time when we were at our lowest and that is currently used by groups like the KKK? Just a thought.

Response by SSgt Vas Vasquez made Jun 2 at 2017 12:33 PM

SSgt Vas Vasquez — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 12:33:06 -0400

I would "SALUTE" it with a good sharp strong salute and yell hoorah!! WHAT DOES "MODIFIED" MEAN ANYWAY? All flags EVER flown in defense of "THIS" Country's founding are emblematic of the struggle of the people who fought for its construction. As such, deep respect and reverence should be given to"their" sacrifice for helping to make this the greatest Country in the world...EVER! We do not want flags from any other Country flying in the presence of the brave soldiers fighting for OUR Country; this is why we take down enemy flags when we overrun their positions. Let the flag stay!

Response by PO2 Lisa Maloney made Jun 2 at 2017 8:30 PM

PO2 Lisa Maloney — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:30:43 -0400

That flag should of been removed from all states and government own and operated buildings when the North won way back then. The rebel flag represent the beliefs of those who disapprove of what the United States of America stand for today, freedom, liberty and justice for all. You can try feeding the bullshit that its a cultural thing, but it stand for hate back then and still to this day. The rebel flag should be burn and gotten rid of, and should be openly shown anywhere public.

Response by SGT John Hamby made Jun 3 at 2017 11:59 PM

SGT John Hamby — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 23:59:04 -0400

my personal thoughts on this would be to leave it alone as long as no one is offended & if the flag is not prominently displayed.
and like all the other posts, i agree 100% that it is completely up to the Commander & their discretion as to whether or not it is detrimental to order & discipline.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:20 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 02:20:30 -0400

administrative separation chapter. immediately.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 2:21 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 02:21:30 -0400

So is it ok to get a tattoo and fly the North Vietnamese flag???

Response by SGT Charles Wheeler made Jun 4 at 2017 5:24 AM

SGT Charles Wheeler — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 05:24:42 -0400

Saw some in Korea and Ft. Lewis in the early '80's. No one seemed to care.

Response by SSG Howard Dennard made Jun 4 at 2017 9:49 AM

SSG Howard Dennard — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 09:49:07 -0400

By "Rebel" Flag I presume you are referring to the Confederate Battle Flag. There is a lot of wrong information being taught as the truth about the War between the States. I would suggest a knowledgeable study of the subject before one states unverifiable half truths concerning the war, a study of the Declaration of Independence might also be advised. You might also ask the individual what the Flag means to him. To me, one whose southern roots go back to before the Revolution, the Flag has great cultural and historical meaning.
It is also my understanding that personal items might be on display in individual rooms, except during announced inspections.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Jun 4 at 2017 12:19 PM

1LT William Clardy — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 12:19:40 -0400

I would not base my actions on whether or not other soldiers might be offended, SFC Seth King.
Instead, I would sit the soldier down and explain to the soldier that, for very sound reasons, a soldier's right for political free speech must defer to the need for good order and discipline in the military. I would then warn him to seriously think about what statements he (or she) is implicitly making, as a soldier sworn to defend the Constitution, by displaying the flag of a failed insurrectionist group, the leaders of which were Constitutionally disenfranchised and prohibited from ever holding public office again.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2017 8:12 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 20:12:33 -0400

Violating civil rights because of someone's ethnicity, nationality or heritage is illegal.

The whole PC roadway goes both ways.

Also not that if 2 or more people even conspire to violate someone's civil rights... Then can face up to 10 years in federal prison.

GREAT caution should be used when jumping on the PC bandwagon! Because it could cost people a great financial loss as well as their freedom.

Response by Sgt Daniel Finley made Jun 6 at 2017 11:55 PM

Sgt Daniel Finley — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:55:34 -0400

In my opinion, whether or not the flag offends someone else is irrelevant. They are barracks, not apartments. The flag comes down. Not because it's a confederate flag, but because it's not an American flag, state flag, or Marine Corps flag (or whatever branch of service applies). Truth be told, I wouldn't allow ANY flags to be hung on the walls in the barracks.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster made Jun 7 at 2017 12:28 AM

PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 00:28:07 -0400

I would be MORE worried about the soldier that shows drunk for duty, the NCO that can't control temper, the command that endangers lives by failing to listen to anyone, properly train their soldiers and use common sense than a Confederate Flag. What is going on-when does our soldier's have time to train between Powerpoint slides, lectures on things that are common sense? I agree, that there is a time for talking about issues such as crimes, conduct,Drill and Ceremony, but GET TO TRAINING! Our enemies don't care about anything but harming those on the frontlines of defense.

Response by GySgt Craig Averill made Jun 7 at 2017 1:51 PM

GySgt Craig Averill — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:51:39 -0400

First of the Confederate Flag stood more for the Articles of Confederation and State Rights than it did for slavery. They were called Confederates because they Supported the Articles of Confederation and not the NEW Centralized Government and the desire for the Centralized Government to step out of the parameters of the Constitution and dictate to the Sovereign States what they can and can not do.

Here are some FACTS;
1. The Emancipation Proclamation was not written until 1862, almost 2 years AFTER the Civil War started and only when Lincoln was losing support and had to come up with another reason to gain people's support.

2. Lincoln wanted to ship all the Blacks back to Africa.

3. The first slave owner in the Colonies was a Black man.

4. Thousands of Blacks owned slaves.

5. White Influenced U.S. was the first country to abolish slavery, at a cost of over 600,000 Lives, followed by White Influenced Europe.

6. Slavery still exists in Black and Muslim countries.

7. Probably more than 95% of the Confederates who SERVED that flag never owned a slave.

8. Blacks Volunteered and served the Confederate Flag as well.

The Confederate Flag strands for many things and I would suggest people look up what it stands for and just because uninformed Liberals have no clue and want to erase history, doesn't mean the rest of us need to follow their ignorance.

By the way, my family settled Vermont and served the North and I have ancestors who were killed in Bull Run, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania and wounded at a couple of others.

I say leave the flag alone as the ones who served that flag had just as much loyalty and patriotism as those who served the North.

P.S. Read the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and l;earn that the Centralized Government was CREATED BY THE PEOPLE to be a COLLECTIVE VOICE and a COLLECTIVE FORCE in Foreign Issues Only.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2017 4:17 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:17:52 -0400

I'll be short and sweet with my opinion but if someone wanted to hang up an ISIS flag apparently they are within their legal rights. Though this would infuriate me and hopefully all of America there is nothing we can really do to force them to take it down. This isn't the exact case but given the recent banning of the flag most would take offense to seeing a rebel flag. The point could be argued both ways but at the end of the day two things separate the decision to take action on this soldier. One, it is in his room where only him or those inspecting his room would see it. Two, at the end of the day he is a United States soldier and is mandated to act as such apart from personal opinions or preferences. I do not know of an official instruction or regulation forcing the flag down but I know that it would be more supported by the military if the soldier was told to take it down rather than keep it up. On a final side note, this comment does not represent my personal opinion of the flag but instead just a outside view looking in.

Response by Cpl Lee Trammell made Jun 7 at 2017 5:38 PM

Cpl Lee Trammell — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:38:57 -0400

had one in my room back in the 80"s never heard a peep , but now with the sissy crap flowing they would have a a heart attack , i got 3 tatted on me and i bet they would whine and cry about that too , i m sick of how sissified the military has become and how they worry about offending someone hell we are trained to kill not trained to whine n cry

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Jun 9 at 2017 12:01 AM

PO1 Joseph Glennon — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 00:01:34 -0400

Back in the 1950's, Congress passed an Act declaring the soldiers who fought in the Confederacy to be United States veterans.

Most of the peoples of the South (Confederacy) fought because they saw the Union army invade, burn, and destroy Virginia - that's why they call it "The War of Northern Aggression" ...

(The Union's) Congress itself, after the Secession - when they declared war on the Confederacy - specifically stated that the war was *not* about slavery. The Southern states didn't decide to secede because of slavery, or because of a threat to dissolve the vile practice. They rebelled for the same reasons that the Colonies rebelled against King George - namely, taxation without representation.

The Civil War didn't become *about* slavery until the Union started to lose. You can look up Lincoln's own words about slaves, if you need to; but, basically he was indifferent. His only desire was to "preserve the Union" - not let it disintegrate under his watch. He pulled in the abolitionists, who were more or less unconcerned up to this point, and published his Emancipation Proclamation - which, in reality, didn't free any slaves at all. It wasn't directed to any states except "those few rebellious states", over whom he had no official say about, at that point.

Many in the North who had slaves, still had slaves until 1865. But, on the whole, only about 3% of the whites in the United States had any slaves at all... and, about 5% of blacks in the United States had slaves.

But, again, most of the people who were fighting, were fighting because they saw "a foreign power" invading their lands, burning their crops and cities, murdering and raping their neighbors and their families. In a similar situation - say, if Canada or Mexico invaded and started doing the same things, wouldn't *you* fight?
Because of that, I wouldn't chastise someone who had something (the Confederate battle flag, for instance) in *their room*, unless it specifically violates "specific written policy."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2017 12:42 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 00:42:04 -0400

Tired of ppl bringing up the subject of the swastika as a hate symbol. Yes, it was perversly used for a brief moment of time for one groups superiority over others. However, the symbol has been used for millenia not for hate. The opposite is true. Even today, the Jains use it and they are the most pacifist of all people. It is also on Buddhas chest, Roman standards, Gaelic and Druids symbology. If you are unaware, please educate yourself and those around you. No reason to continue the same cyclical speech.

Response by SSG Caurnest Hebert made Jun 9 at 2017 8:01 AM

SSG Caurnest Hebert — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 08:01:45 -0400

I had my Fathers American Flag with holes and tears from his tour in Korea plus I had the Rebel flag on my wall,also had a Noid stuck to my window and my Ewok in BDU's with parachute (Which jumped with me ) hanging from my ceiling. What's wrong with this ? Nothing !! As long as it's not an ISIS or enemy flag hanging on the wall (that would be wrong) but hving a captured flag for a keepsake is fine. If you'd ever inspected my 2nd wall locker i guess i'd be in jail now a days,I had different uniforms from different countries and things. Soldiers need relief tha AR670-1 said nothing about it in my time.

Response by PFC Albert Warford made Jun 9 at 2017 2:36 PM

PFC Albert Warford — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:36:53 -0400

I believe there is still a certain about of free speech expected in a persons personal space and no punishment should even be considered.

Response by Sgt Diane Jankowski made Jun 9 at 2017 9:12 PM

Sgt Diane Jankowski — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 21:12:10 -0400

I would do nothing unless I felt that, the soldier was exhibiting some other offensive or discriminatory behavior.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jun 10 at 2017 4:00 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:00:39 -0400

Sp 4 Byron Skinner…Limiting my response to the actual question I can't see any problem. AR's leave this up to the unit commander to determine the appositeness or in-appositeness of the said decoration. The last I heard about such a situation is that the Commander has no obligation to give a reason, it is an order, all he or she has to say is remove it…In regard to the reason give to justify the Confederate Battle Flag being displayed most of the responses are pure myth. Fact in the 152 yeas since the end on the Civil War most of the Histories have been written by southerners, and the current group of Civil War Historians are from the south…In response to War crimes done under the stars and strips, yes the happened but unlike most countries we don't his them andHistorians with the exception of the Internment of the Japanese information is freely available…In regard to the Japanese few people of ever heard of the internment camp at Crystal City Texas, Nothing has been published in regard to the espionage system orating from 1919 to Pearl Harbor. A letter dated February 19, 1942 from the Commander of the 11th. Naval district to President Roosevelt outlining this along with the location radio transmitters in Seattle and SanDiego that sent information to Japanese merchant ships off the US coast that relayed the information to Japan, is now classified. There is some rather fascinating history on this with question of the flow of Japanese into Mexico on December 7th. and the most likely reason of all is how many of these people involved in espionage were going to move into sabotage. I asked this question to a great grand son of a known espionage ager in San Diego if he though that his family who was in the landscaping business would have turned to sabotage. His answer was "…good question, I really don't know." Although all of the official records from the FBI were destroyed after the trials of the 1980's I think it is a reasonable assume,prion that of 120,000 people, many undocumented, the arrived in Canada and migrated south are seasonal farm labor, would have formed japanese resistance Units, how many wet trained by the Japanese Navy in espionage.

Response by MAJ Dick Farnsworth made Jun 12 at 2017 4:52 PM

MAJ Dick Farnsworth — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:52:19 -0400

Is there a "right" to not be offended? I'm certain many guys have a picture of their wife or girlfriend in their room, but what about gay soldiers? Do they have a right to a picture of their "significant other?" What about all the straight people that offends? Sorry, folks, there is no right to not be offended. This is the US Military; we will do things to other armies that will offend many and we will have things done to us that offends many. The operative question is whether the offended person is willing to resort to illegal action to stress his or her feelings. If so, is there a responsibility to placate the "aggrieved" party? Since any illegal action is first, the culpability of the perpetrator and only secondarily the responsibility of the command, the command has a duty to insure that offense not be carried to an inappropriate level. Command may prohibit such "inflammatory" items, but what is to be deemed "Inflammatory"? I enjoy the shooting sports, but there are many who believe possession of guns is offensive (e.g. "snowflakes".) Their right to not be offended is superseded by the purpose of armed forces, thus the first "chink" in the "no offense" doctrine is established and that doctrine thus falls.

Response by SGT Rey Mori made Jun 16 at 2017 2:03 PM

SGT Rey Mori — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:03:19 -0400

Rebel Flag is American history, leave the PC to the civilian world

Response by PO1 Roger Waddle made Jun 16 at 2017 6:51 PM

PO1 Roger Waddle — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:51:30 -0400

Leave the kid alone unless you get specific complaints from others, and just a side note don't let the power go to your head

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jun 16 at 2017 7:19 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 19:19:05 -0400

I WOULD HAVE TO CALL HIM OR HER ASIDE AND DISCUSS THAT IT'S NOT APPORATED AND HAS TO BE NOT DISPLAYED.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
USA VET

Response by MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP made Jun 18 at 2017 10:15 PM

MAJ Keith FitzPatrick, CPIM, CSCP — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 22:15:11 -0400

I think it all comes down to whether or not the Army has classified the rebel flag as a racist symbol that it banned. I don't think the the DoD has banned the flag so the soldier has a right to display it.

Response by Sgt David D. Smith made Jun 21 at 2017 12:03 AM

Sgt David D. Smith — Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:03:46 -0400

Sgt. David Smith (USMC). Personally I would have no problem with this flag as long as it did not interfere with our mission and no one in the unit was offended. Yes the southern states during the Civil War and the states above the Mason Dixon Line were still using slave labor after the war was over, so that can't be a reason to be offended by this soldiers flag. I believe that the inscription on the flag says it "All".

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2017 1:59 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:59:46 -0400

Are there complaints? Is it unsafe, unsanitary, illegal, disrupting the good order and discipline of the unit? If the answer is "no" then leave it be. This is the soldier's personal space. (And why is skin color relevant in any way?)

If you're concerned, have a polite conversation about the meaning of the symbols and how they may be percieved by others. Mentor the soldier in the world of "grown up rules." Maybe the soldier just likes it because it looks cool and hasn't considered anything else. Maybe the soldier sees it differently.

For thought: It is also possible to disrupt the good order and discipline of the unit by over-exercising authority and control in situations that really don't matter that much.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 4:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:17:17 -0400

there is nothing wrong with the flag, if you people would learn the history of the rebel flag and instead of seeing it as a symbol of slavery. I have multiple flags types rebel and confederate and they are no means racist. I've found worse in barracks rooms. my thoughts on this are have him take it down for inspections and then they can put them back up.

Response by Cpl Thomas Kifer made Jun 25 at 2017 12:56 AM

Cpl Thomas Kifer — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:56:28 -0400

I would do a little investigation first. Is he/she a good soldier? Do they portray strong leadership skills? Are they respect within thier unit? Then O would call the soldier in to see what they had to say. What does that flag represent to them. See where thier loyalies are. Do they wish time were as they were during the civil war. Do they believe in equality for all of mankind. As an NCO IN THE Marine, sometimes I had to wear unofficial hats to determine weather one of my subordinates walk one way but thought another. While in peace time, probably manageable. But if they are considered to go overseas or in a combat situation, one needs to wonder what his true beliefs are.

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Jun 25 at 2017 10:41 PM

Sgt Frank Rinchich — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:41:10 -0400

The flag is part of our history, regulations on displaying the flag (1) should not be displayed on any government facility. as all artifacts concerning our history should be displayed in a museum and information about it should be inscribed near it telling the story. (2) anyone wanting to fly this flag on his personal property including motor vehicles should be his or her rights. it should not be a commanders issue as to what flags that can be displayed, we fight under only one flag , that's the stars and stripes that should be the only flag flying on federal property, the problem we have today is no laws concerning our flag, there is only a short book written on flag etiquette. the Stars and stripes is such an important part of out country there should be laws covering it. But we don't have the congressmen ( women) with balls enough to make a law covering the symbol of our country. We fought under this flag for over 200 years, it deserves its place in our laws. ( Now I deliberately left out other flags that can and should fly on government property and I think everyone knows what I am talking about.

Response by SSgt Jerrol Olson made Jun 25 at 2017 10:44 PM

SSgt Jerrol Olson — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:44:42 -0400

Ensure it was dust free and move on. Next.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jun 26 at 2017 5:55 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:55:42 -0400

If it's not displayed nothing, if displayed ask that it be taken down and put away. If found hanging up again, it would be confiscated.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2017 4:36 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:36:31 -0400

Put charlie daniels and party.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2017 9:10 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:10:39 -0400

Forget about it, move on, HOUAH

Response by PO2 David Kitchens made Jul 1 at 2017 1:37 PM

PO2 David Kitchens — Sat, 01 Jul 2017 13:37:11 -0400

Remember that the United States is a Republic. Which means the rights of the minority are protected. The US Military is under no obligation to do that. The key issue here is, "to maintain good order and discipline".

Discipline is defined as, "the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience".

The overall responsibility for what that means rests solely on the Base Commander. This gives the individual commands a great deal of flexibility in dealing with problems as they arise.

Response by SSG Waldo Yamada made Jul 1 at 2017 2:50 PM

SSG Waldo Yamada — Sat, 01 Jul 2017 14:50:15 -0400

Personnel quarters are for enlisted to feel at home. Was in a dual quarters, single, back to WWII type settings. Privacy still should be the utmost importance for a soldier to at least feel in peace and a little getaway after close of business. I'm pretty sure now the contractors are the one's managing the quarters under the E-8's behest. If it is messing with Moral/Welfare of the personnel then it should be rectified. Neat/tidy/shouldn't smell bad. That's all, race,color,creed shouldn't be impeded on.

Response by SPC Jamie Smith made Jul 2 at 2017 3:48 PM

SPC Jamie Smith — Sun, 02 Jul 2017 15:48:54 -0400

I would recommend the soldier for promotion.

Response by SGT Ronald Hearn made Jul 6 at 2017 7:28 PM

SGT Ronald Hearn — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 19:28:10 -0400

I am from the south and wore one on my jacket breast pocket for years I did not place it there except for one reason being Southern....No race creed or affiliation I even wore it in Germany and got no flack for it, so it's mostly the context of it's use The KKK totally got it wrong saying and using it as a symbol of white power and hatred, Saying it has no place is like saying don't crack a book and learn from history to not repeat the wrongs now righted, teach your kids right and get to know the soldiers under you before you blow it out of proportion :)

Response by SSG Kevin Brown made Jul 7 at 2017 10:41 AM

SSG Kevin Brown — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:41:42 -0400

The answer to the question depends on respect, civility and empathy. The view of the confederate flag depends on the lenses in which you are looking from. There are many who revere the flag because it represents their ancestors who fought to preserve the Confederacy. There are many who revere the flag because it represents racists and separatist viewpoints. There are many who witnessed/are witnessing this flag being flown by racists and terrorist groups; therefore they view this flag as a symbol of hate, murder, oppression and terrorism. The problem that I have is that the first group does not speak up when this flag is being used in the second and third way. If this flag was simply a symbol of war history - I could "somewhat" understand. But unfortunately, my living mother can still remember when this flag was used as a terrorist banner. There is no way that we would allow an ISIS flag to be flown in a barracks room.

Response by SSG Patrick Thomas made Jul 7 at 2017 12:51 PM

SSG Patrick Thomas — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:51:35 -0400

Personally, being a "shoe box" historian and having researched the "War" for many years here is my take as a former NCO. As long as its not hiding a mark on the wall that the Soldier made, hiding anything else behind it, and all the roommates have no problem with it. There is no problem.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Jul 7 at 2017 9:15 PM

1SG Clifford Barnes — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:15:57 -0400

Nothing there is nothing wrong with it be in the barracks hooah

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Jul 7 at 2017 10:46 PM

SGM Joel Cook — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 22:46:48 -0400

I never had much of a problem with the Confederate Battle Streamer. Then one day I saw it displayed with the words "Fear This" displayed underneath it. That I had a problem with and conferred with my Commander about the sentiment intended that people should fear that flag. That is a wrong thinking person who would inspire fear in that flag. I am in total support of people loving that flag but fear I can not abide. My Commander made him take it down as we witnessed it. He also took the time to explain the fear aspect of the flag and fear's connection to the KKK, Jim Crowe, Racism and other despicable relationships.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2017 10:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 10:59:22 -0400

I am of Puerto Rican heritage and our flag is a strong symbol of pride and culture. The Confederate flag has the same meaning for some. I do recognize that hate groups have used this flag as a symbol of their identity thus the flag is associated with their atrocious act's. The same could be said for the Puerto Rican flag which was used by separatist groups during the 50 and 70s. As leader's we need to use common sense when enforcing these policies and take a look at the individual circumstances and Soldiers, and then make a determination on what the course of action should be. We can't jump to judgment based on our life experiences and prejudice.

Not every person who display's a Confederate flag should be considered a racist, just like not every Soldier who displays a Puerto Rican flag is a separatist. Instead of focusing on the symbol focus on the Soldier and find out why the feel the need to put that symbol on display. If it detracts from good order and discipline than it needs to come down, but what is good for one symbol should be the same for all. So if a flag that highlights one culture comes down, then they all do and only flags that unite us like the stars and stripes can go up. Otherwise, we have set a double standard.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 9 at 2017 11:46 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:46:28 -0400

Why the uproar- there SFC- is it banned by regulations- I don't think so. Is it a part of our history- Yes just as the "Don't tread on me" and numerous other flags. Same for flags of other nations. I do believe that membership/connections with racists groups (KKK, Black Panthers, Communist Party, etc.) are forbidden by regs. If you are more worried about offending others than doing your job, then it's time to find a different job- not throwing rocks by any means. I do suggest that you privately talk to this person and see why that have that flag, and the reasoning behind it before jumping to conclusions. If they are racist reasons, then you have a problem and talking to Commander/JAG may be in order.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2017 5:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 17:44:51 -0400

In this old soldiers opinion there are a few flags and only a few flags only that should be displayed in a barracks and those being American, state the base is in , the Army flag and unit. End of story. If the wish to display a different countries flag then join that Army. As far as the Army of Virginia's battle flag be proud of that heritage but display it on down time or on leave. This one sided being offended by a piece of our nation's history is down right rediculous. But back to the point keep it simple keep it uniform.

Response by 1SG John B. Enlow made Jul 9 at 2017 8:14 PM

1SG John B. Enlow — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 20:14:24 -0400

What do Army Regulations say about displaying the 'Confederate flag' (which was actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia)? I personally don't like the idea. As I said in response to the question about alcohol being allowed in barracks, it will, one day, create a problem for the 1SG and Commander - a problem they don't need.

Response by SGT Terry Bacus made Jul 11 at 2017 1:17 PM

SGT Terry Bacus — Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:17:11 -0400

Article 15 the dumb ass. To fly the flag of a defeated enemy of my country in a military barrakces is an insult to all whom have served and are now serving.

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Jul 11 at 2017 10:52 PM

SGT Linda Burgess — Tue, 11 Jul 2017 22:52:31 -0400

Why remove history? Use it as an opportunity to teach, not chastise or shame.

Response by LTC Armond Simmons made Jul 13 at 2017 2:55 AM

LTC Armond Simmons — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 02:55:35 -0400

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Response by MSG Mamerto Perez made Jul 13 at 2017 12:35 PM

MSG Mamerto Perez — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:35:12 -0400

I always like the Rebel flag when I was growing up in the 50's thru High School. It was after the racial movement that I felt that to the some Southern people meant hate. Now, I really believe that it is not pride but Hate. As a Mexican-American and Army Retired I really believe in equality. So if that is the case why can't I fly the Mexican Flag.

Response by COL Jack Taliaferro made Jul 13 at 2017 2:09 PM

COL Jack Taliaferro — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:09:33 -0400

The leader must determine the effect on good order and discipline. Make a decision based on that.

Response by AA Joseph Moody made Jul 13 at 2017 3:55 PM

AA Joseph Moody — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:55:15 -0400

If we banned everything that offended someone, we would eventually have to genocide the human race as life itself is offensive to some people.
But that aside, 99% of the people who have an opinion on a flag, have at best an incomplete and surface deep understanding of the history of it. And this goes for any flag. Ask a Native American about broken treaties sometime, And yet as a whole they support the American flag.

I've always found it odd the expression when I see something that is like "it stands for X" Who do we think we are that we can take any symbol and reduce it down to one word? Even doing that with the Nazi flag is an act of utter self centered narcissism. And doing so while it feels good, it also deprives us of several teaching points when it comes to history.

But The thing I found the most scary about both studying German history pre WWII is the same thing I found terrifying about watching prison documentaries, it is not that those people are so inhuman...it is the fact that they are as human as the rest of us. and that any one of us, if we had been there may have done the same thing.

Reducing anything to just one word is a sign of a lazy mind and a lack of self reflection. We owe it to ourselves to understand the history and meaning behind a symbol, not just what it means to us, but what it meant to the people who carried it. It feels good to think of people as evil but at the end of the day, good and evil is just a matter of spin of the editors hands when they write the history books.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2017 10:28 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:28:35 -0400

I saw a make America great again hat in a room, what happen if someone is offended by?

Response by Bob Smith made Jul 15 at 2017 8:11 PM

Bob Smith — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:11:50 -0400

Barracks inspection? I see people drive around post with one flying out the back of their truck.

Response by PO2 Carl Menger made Jul 16 at 2017 6:05 PM

PO2 Carl Menger — Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:05:15 -0400

The point is that the Confederacy fought an armed insurrection against the United States. That flag is the symbol of a force the military these men serve in had to fight and die to defeat. Plus you add the racial aspect to it. You my not intend it to represent your hatred of black people,but we all know there are those that do. Nobody in Germany flies a Nazi flag and gets away with, "I'm just saluting the skill and courage of Erwin Rommel." Proud of being a southerner? Have a banner made that says so. Otherwise secede again, this time we'll just wave goodbye.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jul 20 at 2017 2:09 AM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 02:09:14 -0400

easy fix - recommend to Commander to issue a unit policy letter that flags of any kind are not to be displayed in the barracks with the exception of the current US flag, folded, in a display case.

this way, no soldiers can be offended and have to run to their safe spaces or cry harassment, or whatever the current offendatrons want this month

Response by PFC Eric Parrish made Jul 20 at 2017 3:09 PM

PFC Eric Parrish — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:09:52 -0400

The constitution does not guarantee you protection from being offended. Moving on!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2017 3:31 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:31:15 -0400

That is his private space, but I can see why others might get offended. I have no problem as long as he does not run in formation with the flag.

That is another reason I always chose to live off post. It also allow me to buy everywhere I moved, then leave with a rental property paid by using BAH. I look forward to move again in 6 months or so, and will buy my next rental/primary resident close to a nice Starbucks to save Wi-Fi cost. The Zillow book taught me to look for places where new Starbucks sets up shop, since that company pays millions on research to find out exact where the next "gentrification" will be. I love that "Zillow Talk" book. Troop, we need get financially educated, you all.

Sorry I side tracked. The barracks are still government quarters, and as such, the personal freedom of expression might have to conform with local barracks policy. Just my two cents.

Response by GySgt Craig Averill made Jul 21 at 2017 3:19 AM

GySgt Craig Averill — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 03:19:18 -0400

It is a CONFEDERATE FLAG and represents the states who preferred the Articles of Confederation over the NEW Centralized Government.

Each and every state is the same as a country, as they have their own Governments, their own Constitutions and their own Declaration of Rights. For the 12 years the United States was under the Articles of Confederation, the states were totally sovereign and had just their own militias. When the framers created the Constitution, it was for clear and defined reasons why the Centralized Government was being formed and that was to be a COLLECTIVE VOICE and a COLLECTIVE FORCE in FOREIGN ISSUES only.

The Civil War started as soon as the Centralized Government started to overstep their Constitutional Boundaries and their DEFINED and DELEGATED AUTHORITY. States did NOT want to be told what they could or could not do by a Centralized Government that had no DELEGATED AUTHORITY to do so, within Domestic Issues.

They were called CONFEDERATE STATES as they preferred the Articles of Confederation over the Constitution.

Understand 1000s of Blacks owned slaves, slaves were in the North, Lincoln wanted to ship them all back to Africa and the Emancipation Proclamation was not written until 2 years after the War broke out and only when Lincoln was losing support. Lincoln felt if he made it a slave issue, then he would gain the support needed to continue.

The Confederate Flag stands far more for STATE RIGHTS over Centralized Government Dictatorship than it does slavery.

Look at us today, the Centralized Government has formed all kinds of Domestic Agencies that are NOT Authorized as per the U.S. Constitution. IE Dept of Labor, Dept f Education, Bureau of Land Management, etc etc May I suggest for starters you all read the U.S. Constitution and pay close attention to Article 1 Section 8 Clauses 1 thru 18 that define the authorities of the Legislative Branch. Then read the 2nd Paragraph and the last paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, then you will see how abusive our Centralized Government has become to the Constitution and to our Sovereignty.

The men and women who served the Confederate Flag did so with as much patriotism and Honor as those who served the Union flag. No! It is not a symbol of Slavery but a symbol of STATE RIGHTS and 99% of those who served the Confederacy Never owned a slave.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2017 9:46 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:46:03 -0400

Well I guess it comes down to the barracks policy. It doesn't sound that serious because it wasn't flying anywhere outside or anything and it was in his barracks but then again don't know the barracks policy of displaying pictures paintings or flags.

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made Jul 21 at 2017 10:01 AM

SSG Michael Burdiss — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:01:55 -0400

Shake their hands.

Response by Capt Jim McLaurin made Jul 21 at 2017 10:35 PM

Capt Jim McLaurin — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:35:32 -0400

Ask him where he is from? Heritage is no crime.

Response by MAJ Wiley Winter made Jul 22 at 2017 3:33 PM

MAJ Wiley Winter — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:33:31 -0400

Unless the soldier was using it as a racist symbol, read your history books and don't be so damned sensitive, you're in the Army, for crying out loud!

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 23 at 2017 8:09 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:09:21 -0400

Better that it is that and not antifa. There are different rebel flags.. and reasons behind them. People get antsy over such minuscule things that barely mean anything . They need that do some deep reading in the history book oks b fire casting their opinion w/o knowing the facts .

Response by SGT J M Porters made Jul 25 at 2017 7:44 AM

SGT J M Porters — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:44:34 -0400

Being political correct is not the issues. As the NCOIC you should check to see if it is a violation of policy. If not let it go. We are comrades at arms trying to be forged together as a unit. Did you know that a majority of the southern command were fellow cadets at West Point? Let me ask you this question what would you do if you found a red,black, and green flag in the barrack? Would it warrant the same scrutiny?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2017 9:46 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:46:57 -0400

"These colors don't run"? I don't know of I'm taking it wrong but to me that sounds racist and isn't allowed in the army. If two black soldiers are conversating among themselves and a soldier of a different race hear them say n*gga that can report them and those black soldiers would be in trouble. So just cause you consider a rebel flag "history" doesn't make it ok.

Response by GySgt Craig Averill made Jul 27 at 2017 5:31 PM

GySgt Craig Averill — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:31:20 -0400

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Response by GySgt Craig Averill made Jul 27 at 2017 5:39 PM

GySgt Craig Averill — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:39:20 -0400

People seem to be offended so easily nowadays and sometimes over NOTHING.

Does the Confederate Flag really bother you or do you just want to complain about something?

Steve Hughes says it best below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

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Response by SFC Lloyd Byrd made Jul 27 at 2017 10:44 PM

SFC Lloyd Byrd — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:44:37 -0400

I was born and raised in Kentucky, ok let the jokes fly, but in all seriousness, if no policy from the command forbids this flag, or no paragraph of the AR600-15 restricts this flag then there really isn't anything criminal or wrong with what the soldier in question has done. As many here who have commented, and in a very intelligent manner explained, being offended resides with in the individual and not any inanimate object. Not down playing the hurt people feel when an issue offends them, but any symbol at any given time can and has been used to inspire many emotions, fear, hatred, loathing, offense, love and spirituality, and the emotional list goes on and on. These same symbols can be both cherished and hated, it all depends on the individual.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jul 28 at 2017 8:51 AM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:51:15 -0400

I think you nailed it, SFC Seth King, when you wrote that "a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline". It's the commander's call, not yours, so I would counsel you to discuss the matter with your commander.

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 28 at 2017 9:16 AM

CPO Glenn Moss — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:16:46 -0400

Is there a command policy about it? If so, what does it say?

Is there a problem being caused by it? If so, address the problem and enact whatever solution is required to fix it.

If there IS a problem...well, this is often how command policies come to be.

Response by PO1 Mike Dean made Jul 28 at 2017 9:34 AM

PO1 Mike Dean — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:34:44 -0400

Suffice it to say these days, if that were a gay pride flag that would be forced to removed, there would be Hell to pay. No harm no foul as long as it's not a Nazi or ISIS flag and nobody sharing the room is complaining.

Response by SPC John Chambers made Jul 28 at 2017 11:59 AM

SPC John Chambers — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:59:34 -0400

My roommate had a Rebel flag hanging on his side of the barracks, although it had been modified with the words "Heritage not Hate". Our 1SG asked if it offended me and I said no and they let him keep it.

Response by MSgt Vernon Anderson made Jul 28 at 2017 12:04 PM

MSgt Vernon Anderson — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:04:28 -0400

Absolutely nothing! Cannot re-write history - a shame that the Liberal left are allowed to desecrate things that have been declared as veterans graves. This political correctness has to stop.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2017 11:17 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:17:27 -0400

Let's look at this from a formal, military customs perspective:

Would we allow a soldier of German descent to display a Nazi flag?

When you lose a war, you capitulate. Without conditions. Period.

That means no flag. No songs. No whining about how someday you will "rise again. You STFU while the winner writes the history books.

Don't like it, tough. Keep your traitorous BS to yourself, or get out of my Army and go join a white supremist militia somewhere.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Jul 31 at 2017 3:36 PM

SSG Will Phillips — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:36:32 -0400

I would take no action as I had one myself in my room. This did not mean I was a racist. It was a battle flag and part of my heritage. Back then we were all green in the Army and we all bled red.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2017 6:43 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 06:43:33 -0400

fist bump and move on if the room is in good order.....how a soldier decorates their living quarters is on them. If it is dirty tell them to clean it up, and if its clean tell em good job. You are there for a health and welfare check, not to see how they have the room decorated.

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Aug 3 at 2017 1:46 PM

SPC Sean Martin — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:46:57 -0400

To each is own. The "Rebel" flag is part of American history, and if the offends you; well then, I believe that you have the problem. It's like anything else, if it is used as a definite, or obvious negative way, then by all means ...have it removed.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2017 2:34 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 14:34:04 -0400

I would tell them to replace it with their bed sheet, the last flag of the confederate army. (The white flag of surrender.)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2017 9:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:24:05 -0400

Leave it alone, the flag is in that soldiers room that is suppose to be his or her private space. Regardless of the opinion of many of what it may represent. It is in fact the opinion of the individual displaying said flag that is what's important. We have been a country of freedoms for our entire history, just because one may not like it doesn't make it wrong. The Flag is not in a public or common area it should have zero effect on the unit or this individuals ability to perform his or her duties. The southern states have a long and honored history. let the individual person make the choice, the Union Jack is not necessarily synonymous with one being a racist.

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Aug 5 at 2017 9:12 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:12:57 -0400

As an NCO one day at Ft Carson came across the same situation. New trooper with a rebel flag sewn on to his duffle bag. Stopped him on the spot. A black trooper came walking up in civies and immediately called him white trash. The black trooper was wearing a Malcolm X hat. Me, I had CQ for the day. Situation got intense quick! I pulled out my knife and order the Confederate flag removed off the white soldier bag, then turn my attention to the black troopers ball cap which I order removed. Policy are in place on such things that create instability in any unit. Both items are considered hate items, both are removed in order to keep peace. Wasn't gonna argue with either of them on base. They tried, I shut it down and lock heals quick! While on post they will follow the laws of the base, and policy. Off base I had no control. Anything that threatens unity among troops must be dealt with immediately. While in uniform I saw only one color, GREEN! I enforced it. Bottom line they gotta depend on one another in time of need, personal opinions keep to yourself!

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Aug 6 at 2017 10:58 AM

SPC Brian Stephens — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 10:58:11 -0400

I would take no action whatsoever unless it violated specific military guidelines that prohibit that flag from being there as a personal object.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Aug 6 at 2017 2:25 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 14:25:54 -0400

"If you want to know who your masters are, simply find out whom you are not allowed to offend" . Supposedly a quotation from Voltaire, has been attributed to many. The "masters" being the easily offended of every stripe, race, and gender. Not whom many will think I mean it to apply to, just what I said and nothing else.

To answer the base question, I would make sure the person displaying it realized what crap could fall on his neck over the fully legal and constitutional display. Because we all know it will. This is self-censorship, but it is your duty to look after your troops, and i would say that comes first. If the person realizes what they are doing, applaud their bravery in sacrificing a career for an ideal, the ideal being the first amendment.

My first experience of this rebelophobia came about in the 1980's when you would see hats sold in the BX with the "X" for Malcolm X, who espoused the overthrow of the US government by violent means (ring a bell?) and it was ok to wear them on USAF bases, and about the same time the Confederate flag was becoming career-threatening to display in any form. I didn't actually give a shit, I had to ask a friend who was wearing one of the "X" hats what it meant, but it did rather force the question "If they can wear their "X", why can't I wear mine?"

As I said, i didn't care. He didn't become less of a friend because he was wearing that, even after he explained why he was wearing it. At this distance in time, I do wonder if he would have turned on me had I worn my "X" though.

I wouldn't have. My radar was tuned to compliance with the norm. When I left north Alabama to join the USAF in the 1970's, it had not yet recovered from the War. Most of the wealthy people I went to school with were descendants of carpetbaggers, I had no idea at the time, but it's easy to check, and I have. They owned all the businesses, their kids had cars, and would go to college. Not my social group, the only way to claw ones' way out of that hole was to join the military during the Vietnam war, which I did (didn't go there). My future without the military would have been pumping gas or flipping burgers and i for damn sure wasn't trashing my career for a symbol, or anything else, really.

Forced self-censorship works, well, it did for me, and i see it working all around me, it's unconstitutional and illegal and very entrenched into our institutions, especially the military. The 1st Amendment is dead, and this sort of thing is what killed it.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Aug 6 at 2017 2:37 PM

MSG Don Burt — Sun, 06 Aug 2017 14:37:04 -0400

You say "room" and that to me means an individual's home away from home and thus is able to display whatever he/she wants to in good taste, political or otherwise in a sense of privacy. If no SOP was ever established, then that's not the individual's fault and you should leave it alone or create an SOP.

Response by PO2 Steven Hardy made Aug 8 at 2017 9:33 AM

PO2 Steven Hardy — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 09:33:40 -0400

You should do nothing. If someone is so easily offended by history, there clearly don't have what it takes to be in the military. If it supports other evidence, that you already have, of this person being a racist, then you can add that as to the body of evidence. The Confederate Battle Flag itself, does not denote anything other than an appreciation for a part of this country, and it's culture and history.

I'm from Boston, Ma. by the way.

Response by SGT Dwane Ott made Aug 8 at 2017 8:04 PM

SGT Dwane Ott — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 20:04:00 -0400

Leave it be a part of American History not flying it out in plane site leave it loan

Response by 1SG Jim Wagner made Aug 9 at 2017 3:27 PM

1SG Jim Wagner — Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:27:49 -0400

Number 1, if you are a SFC, grow some balls. No-one is coming to inspect my house. What if I had a confederate flag at home and crazy bdsm sexual apparatus. We wouldn't even be thinking about this conversation. I am a Yankee from the Pacific NW and have a rebel flag tattoo. It I to honor my stepdad, a retired Navy E8 that was not. and raised in the south. He was also a Southern Baptist Deacon and Preacher with his own congregation, had a gay brother and a gay uncle. He wasn't racist, did have a bone of hate in him and was proud of his heritage. Stop being so damned politically correct. Be happy that you have one of America's finest volunteering to serve and living in your barracks. Train him to be a killer of the enemy and stop trying to make a non issue something that it is not.

Response by MSgt George Sims made Aug 10 at 2017 1:54 PM

MSgt George Sims — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:54:04 -0400

I'm Black, retired MSgt. The flag doesn't offend me...however my typical response is this...if I don't know you, and see you flying or otherwise display this flag I conclude you're not interested in socializing with me or anyone who looks like me, so I'm inclined to leave you in peace....

Now, on the subject of flags that DO offend me, former military members who decide to fly a tattered and obviously unserviceable U.S. flag from their vehicle...I even confronted one of these individuals and was told it's his American right to display that flag as he sees fit...

Response by LT Michaline Schalton made Aug 10 at 2017 2:24 PM

LT Michaline Schalton — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:24:20 -0400

The Confederate States of America seceded from the United States and specifically stated in their secession documents that they did so to preserve slavery. This is not revisionist history written by the victors; it is real documented history written as it happened. I don't understand why, in this age of inclusion and equality, anyone would embrace this emblem of division, racism, and hatred. No amount of "heritage" or "culture" makes it right to wave a symbol that represents one human owning another human. Slavery is not something the South should be proud to have supported, especially since so many of the largest slaveholders paid poor free men (who were, ironically, too poor to afford slaves) to fight the war for them. And when many tried to sit it out, they were drafted or killed. My family is from the South and I know our family history well from this era. There are many things to be proud of, but slavery is not one of them.

Response by TSgt Mario Guajardo made Aug 10 at 2017 2:29 PM

TSgt Mario Guajardo — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:29:43 -0400

If it's in a barracks room I don't see a problem

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Aug 10 at 2017 8:04 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:04:32 -0400

That's a hard call this day and age! People are so politically correct it's retarded. If the flag is creating trouble or bad feelings in the unit, remove it. No one cares and the unit works well together then keep it. Once you enforce a crack down on this area then fairness must apply to all areas.

Response by Andy Van Der Plaats made Aug 13 at 2017 5:26 AM

Andy Van Der Plaats — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 05:26:22 -0400

After what occurred yesterday I think it's going to be a lot harder for someone to use the line that it's just part of our noble history. I hope the backlash doesn't get to out of hand and that each incident is dealt with on a case by case basis.

Response by SGT Terry Bacus made Aug 13 at 2017 6:25 PM

SGT Terry Bacus — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:25:20 -0400

They would walk point the rest of their anti USA lives.

Response by SGT Terry Bacus made Aug 13 at 2017 6:28 PM

SGT Terry Bacus — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:28:14 -0400

Posting the banner of a defeated enemy of the USA, why not a Nazi flag also. Ad a NV flag along with the rising sun

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Aug 13 at 2017 8:03 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:03:44 -0400

I say if the flag represents an attitude by the owner of such a flag that is detrimental to unit cohesiveness then it should be removed. The Stars and Bars were a legitimate flag of the Confederacy and if the individual is celebrating his heritage and the fact his family served in the Civil War then leave it be. The Confederate Flag never in my mind celebrated slavery and if the owners of these flags do not espouse that practice or disrespect then they can and should be left alone.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2017 3:02 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:02:27 -0400

My understanding is that there were two different flags as I had an ex that did a barracks inspection and had this issue. Until I dug around, I thought there were only two. If the "rebel" flag and the "battle flag" were not official flags of the Confederacy and are synonymous with racial division and hate, then why don't more people with southern pride use one of the three official Confederacy flags? I am not in agreement with sanitizing history and trying to remove every image, name, and statue as it does a disservice to this nation. I am not in agreement with the argument that someone is displaying southern pride, when in fact, they know they are using a symbol that racist groups in the US use. I think some people are more about the bandwagon than they are about actually educating themselves. I don't care if the roommate had an issue or not, a flag on your body is not the same as one hanging in the barracks and I would have it removed, especially in light of recent events. I am full of southern pride but you had better give me a better reason for allowing the rebel flag in the barracks.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-Dixie-flag-Rebel-flag-and-Confederate-flag

What is the difference between Dixie flag, Rebel flag and Confederate flag? - Quora

Response by PFC Don Friends made Aug 15 at 2017 9:17 AM

PFC Don Friends — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:17:47 -0400

wave it and be proud of our nation's history

Response by SSgt Justin Huett made Aug 16 at 2017 7:30 AM

SSgt Justin Huett — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:30:41 -0400

Absoultley none, if no one has complained about it and he/she is a model service member there has been no cause for action. By removing it, it could cause adverse reaction and cause more harm than the flag ever did. After all it is in his room, if someone else is offended don't go in the room or better yet get educated.

Response by SPC Todd Olson made Aug 16 at 2017 2:21 PM

SPC Todd Olson — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 14:21:47 -0400

May I just point out that it is called the Battle Flag of the Confederacy not a "rebel flag"

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Aug 17 at 2017 5:28 PM

1SG Dennis Hicks — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:28:06 -0400

For a moment lets forget what it is, when I was living in the barracks I had centerfolds on the wall which would cause some serious issues and the end of my career today, Shortly after we got a commander that established SOPS's for hanging anything on his walls. While I don't think that the regs have been relaxed that much these days a commander can set policy for what goes on HIS/HER walls in HIS/HER barracks. If I were the 1SG I would tell the troop to put it away. These are not dorm rooms and Soldiers do not have the same freedoms as civilians so you have to keep that in mind. I would recommend UCMJ on the troop as that would be asinine. I would also do this with those with ANTIFA/NAZI/BLM and assorted other banners/flags.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Aug 17 at 2017 5:55 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:55:03 -0400

Simply request it be removed, we serve a United States military and pride in ones culture is agreeable so long as it does not turn into public forum and bias

Response by SSG Julius Williams II, EdD made Aug 17 at 2017 7:27 PM

SSG Julius Williams II, EdD — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:27:18 -0400

It's ironic that is only one United States of America and the Rebel flag represents a divided States of America!

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Aug 17 at 2017 7:31 PM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:31:18 -0400

I guess I'd ask the first question where is this and what type of organization? Second question why are you conducting room inspections? Thought that was out since barracks are controlled by housing or at least here at Fort Hood, TX. I personally don't see an issue since his room is his home. I'd ask the third question what did you do?

Response by CW4 Robert Augur made Aug 17 at 2017 8:28 PM

CW4 Robert Augur — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:28:40 -0400

Observations:
1. That you mention the service member is "not White" is not relevant but speaks volumes of your thought process.
2. PC has no business in the military.
3. The regulation states, according to you, "...a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.".

Questions:
1. Why are you inspecting barracks rooms if you do not know your unit standards?
2. Would you ask this same question if you found a Rainbow flag, Black Panther Flag, USSR Hammer and Sickle?

Conclusion: Be a leader and make an informed decision based on your unit standards.

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made Aug 17 at 2017 10:43 PM

SSG Michael Burdiss — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 22:43:13 -0400

Hand shake

Response by SFC Larry DeFord made Aug 17 at 2017 11:43 PM

SFC Larry DeFord — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:43:37 -0400

If that item is in violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice, then it should be removed.

Response by SCPO Ysmael Ramos made Aug 18 at 2017 12:15 AM

SCPO Ysmael Ramos — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:15:05 -0400

History is history and written by our forefathers and should stay as it is. That was that generation and now for us is to read it and if it was offensive to some we just don't repeat it this day and age but leave as it is because that generation during Civil War saw as a cause whether good or bad. Should we start stripping what is written about every general, president, or American that is written in history that may offend someone or a group of people. Leave the flag alone it represented history in some way or fashion and you know you can not please everyone. If this was happening 10, 20, 30 years ago it would be no problem waving the confederate flag. People are now so sensitive just about anything. IE.. Did America really go the moon? Should we strip Neil Armstrong of that and condemn NASA. Come on. Maybe we should do away with nukes they kill a lot of lives and they have no preference of the color of your skin. Its just man pushing the button for deterrent. How will our future generations look at that in 100 years. A little overboard to explain but its infinity.

Response by SGT Chris Hotchkiss made Aug 18 at 2017 1:07 AM

SGT Chris Hotchkiss — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:07:11 -0400

I'd have him take it down until he files the proper request chain to approve it. Making sure that I let him know that I don't have a problem with it, but he has to follow reg's. Heritage and pride in ones history is important, as long as it is used appropriately. the second any abuse comes of it, its done for good.
If you want your men to follow you, you have to show them fair respect. now, if it was something promoting hate, on the spot I would correct, remove, and counsel.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 4:45 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 04:45:18 -0400

As a mixed guy who isn't even from the south, I'm gonna say that I wouldn't do a thing. Sure, I have ancestors who were slaves, but those times are long gone. A colorful piece of fabric has zero capability, or intent to inflict harm on a human being. For Southerners, the battle flag is a source of pride and representative of their fighting spirit, unlike the national ensign of the Confederacy, which stood for southern freedom and southern rights, such as slavery.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 7:42 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:42:56 -0400

It depends I own a rebel flag but I don't openly hang it in the barracks because it was against policy but here at home I still don't hang only because I don't have enough wall in my room to hang it on.

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made Aug 20 at 2017 9:39 AM

Sgt Michael Clifford — Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:39:24 -0400

I don't understand why any patriotic American would want to recognize the flag/symbol of individuals who committed treason by taking up arms against the United States. While I understand that many of the senior officers and soldiers were honorable men who were fighting for their home state it still remains that it was treason.
I also noted that in recent demonstrations individuals were carrying the NAZI swastika. How can an American have anything to do with such a disgusting symbol of a criminal regime.

Response by SGT Chris McDonald made Aug 20 at 2017 10:37 AM

SGT Chris McDonald — Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:37:14 -0400

If the Command has no policy stating specfically that the flag can not be there, leave it. It the policy says no Confederate Flags then tell the soldier it has to come down and provide him/her with the command policy.

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Aug 21 at 2017 12:17 PM

SP5 Norman McGill — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:17:15 -0400

As long as the flag doesn't stand for something treasonous then I wouldn't worry about it. If the trooper isn't forth coming with an explanation of the flag then I'd be keeping an eye on him and check out his background. Maybe he and the flag need to be removed.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Aug 21 at 2017 2:46 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:46:35 -0400

Nothing, as long as they can have what they like on their walls. I believe that people are getting too rapped up in this thing that is heading the news. What happened in this country in the past is just a part of our history. Our history, just like any other country has it's dark moments. In the military we study history so we do not make the same mistakes. Pretending something never happened does not do this country any good. History is history until certain people take them out of our schools and public everyday life. That is a shame.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2017 2:38 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:38:08 -0400

No big deal to me, I know the origin of the flag. Of course you would have certain people offended not knowing the history.

Response by PFC Albert Warford made Aug 25 at 2017 1:34 PM

PFC Albert Warford — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:34:30 -0400

What! Stop pushing this crap about the "Rebel Flag". It is just another distraction!

Response by TSgt James Carson made Aug 27 at 2017 12:58 PM

TSgt James Carson — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:58:46 -0400

The rebel flag as most have seen is a battle flag actually. As long as the flag is properly displayed and the persons displaying it aren't making trouble on or off duty with it, leave it alone. It's the military that needs to lead the way of getting along and stopping all the nonsense of political correctness.

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Aug 27 at 2017 9:39 PM

SP5 Norman McGill — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 21:39:03 -0400

If the regs say it's up to the CO then it's up to the CO. let the CO make the decision.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2017 9:45 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 09:45:37 -0400

Unless there arises an issue with the flag enough to cause disruption, I would leave well enough alone. Maybe caution the soldier on making the call to take it down if it does become a problem in the future.

Response by SSG Cardell W. made Aug 28 at 2017 9:53 AM

SSG Cardell W. — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 09:53:42 -0400

Easy fix. You're a soldier. Order: NO FLAGS. Move out smartly.

Response by SSG Cardell W. made Aug 28 at 2017 9:56 AM

SSG Cardell W. — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 09:56:59 -0400

Easy fix. ORDER: Effective immediately, NO FLAGS.
Carry On, Smartly.

Response by SFC Michael Spellman made Aug 29 at 2017 11:31 AM

SFC Michael Spellman — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 11:31:44 -0400

Pretty much the exact same thing happened in my unit in the mid 90's at Ft Bragg! At that time, the issue of anything associated with the Confederate flag was a big deal and sensitive subject. A Soldier that was in my platoon is Italian and had an Italian flag on the inside door of his wall locker, which could only be seen when it was open....so it wasn't in full display!

My company commander at the time simply put out a policy within the company that stated, "Only the America n flag can be hung anywhere within the company area". The Soldier was obviously not happy and others within the unit voiced their personal opinion as well. However, when the dust settles...it's the ultimate responsibility of the commander to ensure good order and discipline. If he had opened that can of worms and allowed that Soldier to keep his flag up, the door was left wide open to who knows what kind of flags to be displayed. The commander made the right decision. Soldiers feelings or freedoms of expression never Trump the commanders responsibilities, no matter how much you disagree with their decisions. As a junior NCO at the time, I didn't agree with it at first, but I understood the commanders intent!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2017 5:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:33:41 -0400

I remember a good show back in the day called the Dukes of Hazzard. The general Lee dodge charger had a rebel symbol on top. No big deal.....

Response by SPC Chip Quinteros made Aug 30 at 2017 12:07 PM

SPC Chip Quinteros — Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:07:18 -0400

Many years ago in the Ft Hood barracks, my roommate asked me if I cared if he hung a Confederate Flag on his side. Maybe due to me being hispanic, he felt the need to ask. I didn't care, and I don't care now. We lived next door to 2 of my buddys in my platoon, who are black, and they questioned me if he was racist. I didn't know if he specifically was, all I knew was that he fit the stereotyoe of the Southern Mississippi boy with a rough background of hanging around bikers. It wasn't my place to say though. I let people draw their own conclusions and I draw my own. If someone wants to display certain objects, that's on them to accept the consequences of peoples perceptions. Our 1SG saw it during room inspections and said he needed to take it down. My roommate respectfully argued his right to display his heritage. It stayed up. We all pick our battles. I guess it depends on how much free time we have to actually be bothered by it.

Response by SSG Brian MacBain made Aug 31 at 2017 4:53 AM

SSG Brian MacBain — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 04:53:07 -0400

I would say that if he/she has a roommate and does not bother him/her and if this soldier is a hard working keeping his nose clean from trouble, let that soldier be, if it is not affecting his work nor others. If the CO decides to move it, I would question if this from CO personnel beliefs.

Response by SGT Christopher Lachcik made Aug 31 at 2017 8:31 AM

SGT Christopher Lachcik — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:31:52 -0400

Nothing. Not an issue honestly.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2017 3:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Sep 2017 15:20:38 -0400

If this is a real question can we quit asking why the retention rate is so low. We weed out solid soldiers who want to work and serve so we can save someone's feelings from being hurt. I know that may not be this specific case. But let's get real it's a battalion flag from the civil war, it was the flag my family fought under in that batallion. This is simply put someone leading based off emotion rather than what's best for his soldier.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Sep 4 at 2017 11:42 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 04 Sep 2017 11:42:57 -0400

That is still up to the commanding officer. The confederate battle flag has the red, white and blue colors of the USA, is offensive to many, but it no longer means a seccession of north and south. While stationed in Thailand during the Vietnam War, our section had a picnic table with the confederate flag painted on it. Everyone who came to our area, said it was cool and well done. Both blacks and whites from the northern and southern parts of the country. Myself, I'm from NYC, a republican, hate segragation, but can be found to be very tolerant of every race, color, religion and sexual preferance. But put the Nazi swastica, and you offend not only me, but everything I stand for.

Response by SSgt William Mavis made Sep 5 at 2017 11:13 AM

SSgt William Mavis — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 11:13:24 -0400

what common sense? you do Nothing because there is nothing to do

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Response by Clayton Benignus made Sep 7 at 2017 7:50 AM

Clayton Benignus — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:50:44 -0400

The Military's purpose is to break things that need breaking, not to be offended. There are certain flags that do represent repugnant philosophies, such as the Nazi Flag, whose purpose in a barracks would be to be a target for abuse for the soldiers to let off steam, but even the Nazi Flag had a decorative purpose to keep tally of kills. I would treat the Confederate Flag like I would treat the Union Jack, once hated flags, but generally rehabilitated due to historical events. For a unit of 50% or greater of Southerners, it's a morale builder. For a unit composed of Yankees, it loses value as a morale builder. A Union Jack would serve as a memento to service time in Great Britain or to welcome British dignitaries, just as the Stars and Bars could.

Response by 1stSgt Mack Housman made Sep 7 at 2017 8:25 AM

1stSgt Mack Housman — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 08:25:33 -0400

SMH. This is the individuals room. Albeit, it's owned by the government and you're charged with ensuring it's cleanliness and safety. In my opinion, you're overthinking this. If the individual has their own room, who cares. If the individual has a roommate and the roommate is OK with it, who cares. We are all soldiers, sailors, airmen or marines...not politicians or the PC police. Who is this individual hurting or offending? I'd, respectfully, think you'd have better things to do with your time focusing on BIG ISSUES than this trivial garbage.

Response by Sgt Diego Rodriguez made Sep 7 at 2017 10:09 AM

Sgt Diego Rodriguez — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 10:09:34 -0400

Like look at it thia way, in a marine barracks the orders to hang stuff up was that it cannot be offensive (which is pretty broad considering what is considered offensive) in nature. Like look at it this way you and some others may not find it offensive which is good and all (stars and bars don't really bother me if you're wondering) but some one else might (dumb I know). It all depends if some one says "hey I'm offended by that" then its screwed.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Sep 10 at 2017 12:51 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Sun, 10 Sep 2017 12:51:17 -0400

Guess my Klingon flag was OK then,my neighbor had a crossed bones flag he took to Desert Storm,the OTHER guy's Imperial German flag was ordered hidden from view..these are wildness symbol soldiers use for amusement.I knew a guy who always had an ORC Uruk-hai flag he had made that dragged around with him.

Response by CMSgt Gary Fichman made Sep 10 at 2017 11:51 PM

CMSgt Gary Fichman — Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:51:29 -0400

I would take no action.

Response by PFC Mary Galvin made Sep 12 at 2017 9:58 PM

PFC Mary Galvin — Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:58:45 -0400

Only the American Flag should be present. the United Nations has every flag in representation for World order. We as Military represent our One Nation Under God, so I feel the American Flag is the only one that should be present in any barracks. The sentiments of our diverse background as Soldiers is separate from the truths we must uphold as America as One Nation. USMC 1971

Response by SrA Tom Doupe made Sep 19 at 2017 8:32 AM

SrA Tom Doupe — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:32:52 -0400

A good number of people would say that the Confederate flag was a symbol of treason, in addition to the attempt to maintain the use of slaves as a means of supporting the southern economy and production cycle.

It was only as a gesture of attempted reconciliation that the north basically granted amnesty to Confederate soldiers rather than brand them war criminals. I know that brothers fought brothers, but people make choices and have to live with them.

I feel like the Confederate Flag has no place being displayed by members of the US military forces. The only flag of the United States is the stars and stripes - period.

Response by PO1 Ciro Lopiccolo made Sep 19 at 2017 5:12 PM

PO1 Ciro Lopiccolo — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:12:51 -0400

The fact that it was where it was says that all that live there already knew about it and it did not make a difference to them. Let it be.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2017 9:28 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:28:04 -0400

"Common sense" might be to educate yourself and subordinates on the history of the war. Just because some use it as a hate symbol doesn't mean others do (that would be profiling) it's in HIS barracks room. To say a flag is the cause for lack of "good order and discipline" is ridiculous. You should focus your energy else where.

Response by SFC William Bethea made Sep 21 at 2017 8:53 PM

SFC William Bethea — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 20:53:45 -0400

Make them take it down. Your actions have to be equal and fair across the board. There is no this or that, they are soldiers, who voluntarily signed up. Treat each soldier the same. If it is wrong for one it is wrong for all. It is not easy just the correct way.

Response by LTC Michael Garrison made Sep 23 at 2017 10:47 AM

LTC Michael Garrison — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 10:47:29 -0400

Many of our military personnel come from the South and the flag is a battle symbol and one of regional pride. Most will not have a problem with it and any action regarding it be determined by the attitude of the flag holder and the people around him.

Response by SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) made Sep 23 at 2017 4:00 PM

SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:00:58 -0400

None. It is not a problem in my eyes as I know the actual history behind it. The whole flap about this flag is propaganda driven and, to be honest, sad.

Response by SSgt William (Bill) Pangrass made Sep 27 at 2017 3:23 PM

SSgt William (Bill) Pangrass — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:23:18 -0400

Absolutely nothing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 10:12 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:12:34 -0400

Ignore it, the flag has not hurt anyone.

Response by SGT Gregg Cummings made Sep 28 at 2017 1:24 PM

SGT Gregg Cummings — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:24:45 -0400

Nothing

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Sep 28 at 2017 4:18 PM

SMSgt Jeff Kyle — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 16:18:06 -0400

My recommendation is to leave it alone unless it is actually a discipline issue.

Response by Cpl Amilcar Mendieta made Sep 28 at 2017 6:58 PM

Cpl Amilcar Mendieta — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:58:47 -0400

No more than any other symbol other than the Nazi swastika, the Revolutionary War is part of American history there should be no shame in it

Response by MAJ Philip Crabtree made Sep 29 at 2017 11:25 AM

MAJ Philip Crabtree — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:25:11 -0400

I would take ZERO action unless you are compelled by witch hunts. Why would you say the flag probably shouldn't be in the barracks? Will you say the same thing about particular religions or political opinions? This is America. We don't have laws criminalizing flags.

Response by SPC David Sudekum made Oct 1 at 2017 1:09 PM

SPC David Sudekum — Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:09:36 -0400

I would do absolutely nothing. Unless the flag was causing an issue, and it apparently was not or the Company First Sargent or the Platoon Sargent would have been involved, there is no issue. I would however counsel the individual that the flag might cause problems and if it did they would have to remove the flag until then however they should be able to keep it displayed if they so choose to do so.

Response by SGT David Flynn made Oct 3 at 2017 6:28 PM

SGT David Flynn — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 18:28:04 -0400

Same thing I did when I inspected a soldiers room and found 1 2nd SS Panzer Uniform and 2 Wehrmacht uniforms in his wall locker. Make sure everything is in order and move on. (Guy was a Reenactor and had top notch stuff and was working on a Fallschirmjäger kit).

Response by LTC William Bridgeman made Oct 5 at 2017 11:52 AM

LTC William Bridgeman — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:52:59 -0400

"If the Civil War is more alive to the Southerner than the Northerner it is because all of the past is, and this is so because the Southerner has a sense of having been present there himself in the person of one or more of his ancestors. The war filled merely a chapter in his…[family history]…transmitted orally from father to son [as] the proverbs, prophecies, legends, laws, traditions-of-origin and tales-of-wanderings of his own tribe….It is this feeling of identity with the dead (who are past) which characterizes and explains the Southerner." - William Humphrey

Response by Robyn Morrow made Oct 5 at 2017 2:46 PM

Robyn Morrow — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:46:36 -0400

I bought one for my son and nephew who both live in the barracks. It’s a history item not a racial item. If people all see it as racial then they need to go reread history.
My son’s PL got all high and mighty challenge my son that if he didn’t do a report on what the rebel flag stood for then he would have to take it down.
My soon knew what it stood for and told his PL about the history. His PL allowed the flag to stay in the barracks and never challenged it again.
When people are uninformed they always assume instead of finding out the facts first.

Response by SrA Vern Cox made Oct 5 at 2017 2:56 PM

SrA Vern Cox — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:56:23 -0400

It's a personal pride deal and is harmless in and of itself. It's a part of US history, like it or not and that "not white" soldier could have in fact grandparents who fought for the South. It's also a signal of a "Face-off" demeanor when approaching an adversary as an intimidation tactic. He may also be keeping it around simply because it's an old habit. I don't believe for one minute he means any harm but as you said, it's at your discretion. If the rest of the unit appears to have no problem, than why not?

Response by SGT Jon Creager made Oct 5 at 2017 8:00 PM

SGT Jon Creager — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:00:15 -0400

Nothing absolutely nothing. Why freedom of speech. Yes it does in fact apply. In honor of the soldiers ancestors. Confederates are classified as soldiers too. Maybe you shoul dread some history and stop the bull shit political correctness crap.

Response by Cpl Kevin Willoughby made Oct 7 at 2017 10:39 AM

Cpl Kevin Willoughby — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:39:30 -0400

Personally. Imo one can only be loyal to one flag..choose which one ..it boggles my mind how that simple concept escapes regardless of the stains on the American flag if a person joins our military then its the American flag not the confederate flag thats worn on the uniform and represented on our bases. Furthermore imo no military base should carry the name of anyone that attacked the American Flag those based should never had been named as they were in the first place.Imo only flag to represented or displayed should be the one flown. The American flag ! In war you take the opponents flag and it doesn't get flown by the losers. One would or perhaps should expect for any true soldier with The American flag on their uniform to understand this concept. American soldiers are what they are ..confederate soldiers have no place imo in our American forces.. to me its a contradiction of loyalty its brings about the question of where your loyalty lies and that should never be a question that comes to mind when addressing any soldier in the American forces.

Response by SPC Michael Clark made Oct 7 at 2017 9:23 PM

SPC Michael Clark — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 21:23:52 -0400

I know the history of that flag... but, let's put things into a different perspective.

Let's say it was an Imperial Japanese flag with the same message about "these colors don't run"... or better yet the NAZI Germany flag... or even the hammer and sickle of the USSR.

Point is we are service members of the United States of America and are not supposed to show or have any allegiance to foreign enemy states.

Finally, to those from the South that claim they know they history... tell me what do the Articles of Secession say? What was the primary reasoning?

That flag stood for the oppression and subjugation of humans.

P.S. What would you say to a troop of Middle Eastern descent that had an ISIS flag on the wall?

Response by CCMSgt James Helms made Oct 14 at 2017 11:10 PM

CCMSgt James Helms — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 23:10:32 -0400

Something that I did not read in the several comment posted is why did the soldier feel he needed to post the flag? In my very long military career experience I found that when a military person felt the need to post any symbol, he/she had a personal reason for doing so. Was it to get attention or was it a sign of passive aggressive behavior? What was his intended message? I don't buy the flag was posted out of pride, if it was, pride of what? Remember, all human behavior is driven for some type of desired goal -- regardless of how self-defeating it may be.

Response by SN James MacKay made Oct 15 at 2017 8:28 AM

SN James MacKay — Sun, 15 Oct 2017 08:28:29 -0400

As long as it wasn't specifically banned, no problem.

Response by LTC Shaun Darragh made Oct 17 at 2017 10:45 AM

LTC Shaun Darragh — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:45:10 -0400

Company Commanders and First Sergeants have to be trusted to know their men (and women). Southerners have a long and proud tradition of service in the US Army. The mere presence of a rebel flag is not, per se, evidence of racism. If the flag is not out there to intimidate African-Americans, I would leave it. If, on the other hand, the soldier flying it is known for negative views of African-Americans, or if the presence of the flag invites such comments from others, I'd order it removed. Soldiers may have the right to free speech, but within the military that right is not as unhampered as it is in civilian live. There are limits, and the good order of any company rests upon the shoulders of its leadership

Response by Sharon Lee made Oct 19 at 2017 5:58 AM

Sharon Lee — Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:58:21 -0400

Flag out... Keep the peace, save it for home.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 2:52 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:52:22 -0400

Are you shitting me ? Carry on with that BS. Shut the fuck up about a rebel flag already. If you or any of your people are offended by a flag suck it up buttercup. Are your people ACTING like a bunch of racists ? Most likely not. While there can be no tolerance for racism, their must not be any tolerance of race baiting either. NO ONE gets to play the race card. Race is only a problem if you let it become one. Treat everyone fair. Make sure they treat each other fair and they will respect not only their leaders but each other. I have found many times that my people will properly address the race issue when given a chance. It wasn't ever tolerated among us. If you think they need help then so be it. Motivate, train and educate to the goals you need. But don't look for a reason to show how you're not a racist. The easiest way to divide is to draw a line between the numbers.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 21 at 2017 3:30 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:30:36 -0400

My reason for not having a great love of the Confederate Flag, it represents a rebellion that was defeated, with great cost in lives. Below is the statue for the Civil War Dead in Scituate, Rhode Island. On that Statue are the names of the those who didn't come home. My ancestor is on there, he served in the 2nd Rhode Island Light Artillery, died of disease in McClellan's Peninsula Campaign 1862. I can't help but think what his family had to go through during those times, because the leaders of the rebellion thought the enslavement of men was fair, and just. For those who argue the read the history book case, read Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander Stephens Cornerstone speech:

" Many Governments have been founded upon the principles of certain classes; but the classes thus enslaved, were of the same race, and in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. The negro by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite-then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is the best, not only for the superior but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances or to question them. For His own purposes He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made “one star to differ from another in glory.”

Response by SSG James N. made Oct 22 at 2017 9:30 AM

SSG James N. — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:30:41 -0400

The OP obviously has a snowflake issue here with that question.
1: The flag is NOT a hate symbol. Go ask any Irish, or Scot's Irish background GI how that flag came to be and what it really represents.
2: It's a private space, not yours. Does your CO come to your house and tell you what to put on your walls? No. Leave it be.
3: I've seen the look of pure confusion on a black female 1SG's face when she came upon that flag on a room wall. The first one she looked at was the white GI, but as it sunk in, who's part of the room it was in, the black GI started giggling, and in a high Tennessee drawl, asked the 1SG if she was OK, said she looked like she seemed off a bit. She looked again, me, I'm noting the various hip hop posters that go from Compton all the way to the latest stuff, and I just start trying to hold it in as I see what's going on. 1SG wanted to scream RAYCISS but how could she? She was speechless trying to figure out this fog in her brain. I asked the GI why he had it. He gave the stock answer, Heritage. We come from the Tennessee hills, this is who we are. I was born and raised California country. My kin folk came from those Tennessee hills. Seems me and the GI both had a common area of ancestry.

The bottom line is, that is a flag the south sees as part of their history, part of who they are, and not a KKK or neo Nazi hate symbol. I got a few raised eyebrows as a young Marine when people saw my swastika on a white cloth, outlined in Japanese characters. Some white GI's, and some black GI's are ignorant to these things, have no clue because they simply do not crack enough books and learn. They allow their brains to stagnate in misinformed and misguided ignorance propagated by ignorant GI's at all levels, both black nd white.
Next time you see a kid, black or white with a rebel flag tattoo, or one on his wall, do your damned due diligence, and get to know the individual, and know who they are, where they come from before you start telling them to take stuff down, or worse, call them RAYCISS and begin the deteriorating process of their spirit into exactly what you want them to be by pressing your ignorance onto them and fulfilling your own sick prophesy of who you are, not them.(I watched that black female 1SG call a kid rayciss so many times, he became everything she said he was and it was all aimed squarely at her, no one else. The BNCO moved the kid when I stopped by and gave him the low down, and 1SG was removed for cause over that and a multitude of other EO violations)

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Oct 22 at 2017 2:31 PM

Cpl Brett Wagner — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:31:49 -0400

How about when a service member speaks to another in a foreign language so those around them don’t understand? Maybe they are plotting against the US government? What do you do then? NOTHING because I’ve been through it. It someone has their feelings hurt maybe you just send them for a diaper change?

Response by SSG Clayton Blackwell made Oct 22 at 2017 5:05 PM

SSG Clayton Blackwell — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:05:40 -0400

No, you should leave the issue alone. I get it's government space, but it's the soldiers living area. If someone comes in and is offended by it, that is their issue to work out.

Response by SN James MacKay made Oct 22 at 2017 11:00 PM

SN James MacKay — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:00:09 -0400

After reading many posts, and responses to them, it's obvious that to most, the question was missed. It was posted as a hypothetical instance, intended to provoked a response from class participants.

Response by SFC Robert Salmon made Oct 23 at 2017 4:30 PM

SFC Robert Salmon — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:30:50 -0400

Our society is becoming so hyper-sensitive to offense. They become so sensitive to offense, that they find it perfectly acceptable to repress another's First Amendment rights, be it my opinion on a cultural issue, or a belief based on my faith (religion). We are beyond the slippery slope. A college empties into a street and prevents an individual from speaking on their campus, just because the individuals beliefs do not correspond or support the majority of the college population. Somehow that is deemed "acceptable" and "right". It's pure garbage. THAT is fascism.
Now along with the offensive firearm, we have another inanimate object causing offense. I suppose someone could comment, what about the Nazi flag? Well, good question. Personally, I detest that flag, but freedom is freedom. Freedom for one, is freedom for all. That is the beauty and that is the beast of freedom. Not everything you are going to see is going make you happy. Not everything you are going to hear - you will agree with. But we cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater. We have to get past our own personal biases and look at the big picture.
Freedom. I believe in freedom. Personal freedom.. I served my country because I believed that was a way for me to contribute and give back to this great nation, and support that. But if we are going to protect individual freedoms, we are going to have to get past our own personal tastes, and support the individual's rights at any cost. We are sacrificing the very things the Bill of Rights was created to protect on the altar of "collective acceptance". If I have a certain belief about something that doesn't line up with a certain demographic's beliefs, I am no longer a man expressing his individual or personal beliefs, I am now a member of a hate-group, and I should be not be allowed to express my views. This flag is the same thing. It is an expression of an individualistic viewpoint. It's origins may be vested in a larger viewpoint, but as my possession, it is expressing MY viewpoint. It should not be suppressed just because a person or a group of persons finds it offensive.
Our society is raising up a generation of people who do not know how to deal with an offense, other than silencing it. That breeds weakness and doesn't teach a person how to adapt and deal with adversity.
And sorry, didn't mean for this to be all rantish.

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made Oct 23 at 2017 4:40 PM

SPC Tommy Dean — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:40:55 -0400

“I” would look at it and say out loud. American by birth, Southern by the grace of God. Then go on about my business. I don’t have a clue what you would do.

Response by 1SG Darryl Walker made Oct 24 at 2017 10:30 AM

1SG Darryl Walker — Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:30:29 -0400

Strong and proud history???? Dude, what books have you been reading. The South had a history of enslaving, killing, and using Africans as farm equipment. If you are proud that your slave masters were killing and oppressing your ancestors...well...yeah...you're lost.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Oct 28 at 2017 9:06 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:06:09 -0400

Nothing unless there is a specific directive banning such items. Is it a good idea to have it? Tough question to answer as it is a part of our history. Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

Response by SPC Ronald Umphress made Oct 28 at 2017 11:24 AM

SPC Ronald Umphress — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:24:57 -0400

The flag is an inanimate object therefore it cannot be racist. People are animate objects, therefore can be racist. Flags can be hijacked by racist people and therefore associated with racism. I say let people have their flags. Same thing with the "confederate" statues. They are not saying these people were the "best" at what they were doing, just that they were Generals, Captains, etc. during that time period. You can not hide away your History or it could be repeated in the future.

Response by PO1 Wayne Merritt made Oct 29 at 2017 6:14 PM

PO1 Wayne Merritt — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:14:29 -0400

Yea, ban all flags, take down monuments, have tranny's homosexuals and lesbians, and paint all ships, tanks and airplanes pink and we can all have marshmallows and hot coco while America gets sucked down to hell.

Response by PO1 Wayne Merritt made Oct 29 at 2017 6:16 PM

PO1 Wayne Merritt — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:16:07 -0400

Response by TSgt Dave Beem made Oct 30 at 2017 8:11 AM

TSgt Dave Beem — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:11:31 -0400

If he's from the south, and it wasn't on the outside of his door, and his roomanate (if he has one) doesn't object, then I can't see why you couldn't just leave it alone. If you got several complaints about it, then I'd have the base commander set a policy of no "rebel" flags are allowed anywhere on base. You do NOT want to single that kid out. If it's a basewide rule, you're just enforcing the regs.

The south has a military history, after all. Many southern families have a very PROUD military history. Many of those families lost EVERYTHING during the civil war, and I mean everything due to things like Sherman's march to the sea where he burned everything in his path. (not giving a damn whether or not those civilians even took part or supported the war or not).

To me, tearing down a civil war memorial is like editing Mark Twain's books because they have politically incorrect words. Just because the confederate side LOST (though there's a core of folks in the south who refuse to accept that fact, even today), doesn't mean their soldiers weren't brave, or weren't heroes. In fact, Confederate soldiers at times had more HONOR than the union soldiers had.

The same people who get angry when they see a confederate flag, or memorial are also the ones who would LOVE to remove "IN GOD WE TRUST" from every history book, monument, textbook, etc in the entire US.

That flag is a part of our history AS A NATION. Not just the southern states. And the civil war wasn't just about SLAVES either. in the beginning it was actually a side issue.

And the constitution DOES say that if the government, supposedly OF THE PEOPLE, does not or stops serving the needs of the people, then the people have the right to overthrow said government. That's the idea behind the right to keep and bear arms. However, in this day and age, you'd better WIN if you try it. Remember that the ONLY country that had 100% gun control was Germany, under Adolph Hitler. Done specifically so nobody could overthrow him.

I think it is sad that freedom of speech (and thought) is slowly being undermined. That young man of color might even be PROUD of that flag. Because his parents WERE slaves and after slavery ended they made it on their own. He may also realize that if his parents had NOT been slaves, he'd probably be stuck in Africa, caught in the middle of all the genocidal maniacs who rule some of those countries.

People also seem to forget history. Specifically the fact that most slaves were NOT captured by American whites, but MUSLIM slave traders, or they were captured by opposing tribes and were then sold. I do NOT condone slavery. But I DO take issue with the way the media portrays the live of a slave. Yes, you had some sadistic bastards who treated their slaves horribly. But a slave WAS a pretty substantial investment back then. Nobody wants to HEAR about slave owners who treated their slaves WELL. Many slaves were much better off than they were in Africa, even being slaves here. IF they had decent owners. Of course they were nearly always better off being free.

But that young man who has the confederate flag in his room might be descended from blacks who fought in the first or second world war, or for that matter EVERY war since the civil war. And his marking the flag (these colors don't run) might allude to HIS ancestors who fought. His dad might be a Vietnam Vet. (or hell, even a gulf war 1 vet..which makes me feel pretty old..lol)

I think the best thing you could do is simply ASK the boy why he has it in his room. Because just having a confederate flat on the wall in your room doesn't mean you advocate slavery. Neither does a confederate memorial to their war dead from the civil war. They simply convey sacrifices and the heroism of men who fought in a war. I personally have NEVER met ANYONE who had a problem with a confederate flag. You don't have to be WHITE to consider yourself a REBEL.

So just go ASK the kid WHY he has that flag pinned up on his wall Don't put him on the defensive. Show a genuine interest into why he has it. Let him speak freely. What he says just might surprise you.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 2:10 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:10:50 -0400

If an item doesn't encourage disloyalty to the United States or the Army then I think it's fine.Just my thoughts as a lonely SPC...

Response by TSgt Lars Eilenfeld made Oct 30 at 2017 2:35 PM

TSgt Lars Eilenfeld — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:35:54 -0400

When you start limiting based on feeling then don't be surprised if they tell you to take down an American Flag because some snowflake is offended. If it's not specifically in black and white writing then it should be permissible. It's a slippery slope.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Nov 1 at 2017 7:44 PM

SSG Brian G. — Wed, 01 Nov 2017 19:44:54 -0400

Really it is simple as asking the following questions with regards to any flag or item found in a barracks inspection:
1) Is the item causing a problem with those in the room?
2) Is the item modified in such a manner as to be specifically offensive? IE Racial epitaphs, coarse slogans, sexist meanings?
3) Is the item causing division within the ranks of the squad, section, platoon etc.?
4) Is it tasteful and tastefully displayed?

If the answer is yes to any of the above then exercise command prerogative and use the chain of command to have it stowed. Back in the late 80's, early 90's I was stationed in Germany and it was nothing to walk into a quad bay and see a rebel flag, a German flag, a French flag, even a Korean or Japanese flag.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Nov 2 at 2017 7:50 PM

SGT Scott Henderson — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:50:58 -0400

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Remember your "two basic responsibilities": Accomplishment of the mission; welfare of your soldiers- IN THAT ORDER. Unless having this glad is affecting either of those; there's nothing to be done

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 6:07 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 06:07:52 -0400

Has somebody complained that they were offended? If not, non-issue unless Command decides it is. If so, it needs to come down. For the AF, EO policy is very clear: offense is in the eye of the beholder, regardless of intent.

Response by Cpl Steven Brewer made Nov 4 at 2017 4:41 AM

Cpl Steven Brewer — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 04:41:29 -0400

I don't know if there is anything specific, but common sense would dictate that such items should not be displayed.
I'm so tired of hearing how the rebel flag is about "Southern Pride". Think of what it's called: the rebel flag. Rebels are traitors to the U.S.

If the flag was solely about Southern Pride, white-supremacists wouldn't use it in their rallies.

The truth has been glossed over for many in the South.

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/10/25/16545362/southern-socialites-civil-war-history

How Southern socialites rewrote Civil War history

The United Daughters of the Confederacy altered the South’s memory of the Civil War.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Nov 5 at 2017 3:30 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:30:54 -0500

Nothing; but that's me.

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Nov 5 at 2017 5:57 PM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:57:24 -0500

Instigators of peace and good order can keep bruhaha chaos going with the written Constitution, but the attacks on individuals who don't conform is illegal. Our Constitution rights are being violated daily.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2017 10:08 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:08:59 -0500

The US flag has flown over slavery longer than any other flag, including the Confederate flag. More importantly, the Confederate flag is an American flag, just like the Gadsden flag ('Don't tread on me,' the Betsy Ross flag and every US flag flown in front of US formations since 1776). Having pride in one's state or region of the country is only a problem, when that pride takes precedence over service to country.

For those, who continue to attribute slavery with the Confederate flag and the south, I must ask, 'how do you come about this attribution?' No one alive today, has experience slavery first hand and has no foundation for claiming reparations or that others, specifically whites, must feel guilty for their heritage. Otherwise, there are Irish, Scots, German, Slavs and many others, who can reach back into their family history to find offense. If we reach back far enough, nearly every Christian and Jew can reach back to Egypt and find reason to blame the current generation of Egyptians.

So, if the actions of the individual are not counter to the good order and discipline of the unit, then a flag, hung in his or her room is trivial. More important is building the resilience in our soldiers to survive the traumas of war, the skills to survive and the continued desire to serve our country, in and out of uniform, in our communities, in our government and irrespective of our differences but for the common good. We have so few leaders and politicians meeting this high standard.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Nov 6 at 2017 4:47 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Mon, 06 Nov 2017 16:47:55 -0500

It's the same OL . "Lets not celebrate vulgar warriors symbols"mentality that some brass from larger cities balk at.
However Confederates ARE American vets BY law and we celebrate the battle flag they bore in combat alone.
WHAT others make of it isn't an issue until politics roll in.

Response by PO1 Barbara Jackson made Nov 7 at 2017 5:53 AM

PO1 Barbara Jackson — Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:53:51 -0500

If it is in a private room and no one has complained about it no action should be taken. Soldiers give up so many of their rights that how they decorate their barracks room should be their choice.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 8 at 2017 2:16 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 14:16:37 -0500

You have to talk to the individual. People should be judged by actions, not status.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Nov 10 at 2017 4:07 PM

SGT Bryan O'Reilly — Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:07:28 -0500

Great question. If that was the end of it. I would confiscate it and send it home. I would tell the soldier that we who defend freedom do not have the luxury of ignorance. We are bound by oath to defend the content and the freedom our founders framed. Equality, long sought and hard won is the air of freedom. He may have a personal historic or family interest. He can send it home. The symbols of vanquished empires are relics that belong in a museum but the only flag I want waving is the Star spangled banner.

Response by MSgt Thomas Mason made Nov 13 at 2017 10:01 AM

MSgt Thomas Mason — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 10:01:07 -0500

"Prejudicial to Good Order". A military phrase to identify misconduct not otherwise covered elsewhere in military law. If it has the potential for causing conflict it should not be allowed.

Response by MSG Eddie N. made Nov 14 at 2017 6:33 AM

MSG Eddie N. — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:33:43 -0500

So now I'm going to date myself. When I was stationed at Ft Hood, C Co 91st EN BN, 1st CAV, we had that same issue...this was 1995 - 1998. It's not a new debate. During a room inspection the flag was found. A black Soldier complained even though you could only see the flag if you were in the room. It could not be seen from the door way. During this same time some Soldiers had the X flag from Spike Lee's film "X". White Soldiers complained to the commander that the X flag offended them and that it stood for white hate. It got to the point that everyone was complaining about flags, posters and anything else that was hanging in a Soldier's room. Ft Hood had a policy that any racist, extremist, anti-government symbol could not displayed on post. This included rebel flag stickers on cars. After several IG complaints from both sides our commander took this approach, Only the American flag could be hung on the walls of your room. Any state flags, rebel flags, "X" flags, etc could only be hung on the inside back wall of your wall locker.

Now on a personal note. I am a Yankee by birth, born in the Bronx, Puerto Rican by blood. I was raised in the semi-south, Miami, FL. I crossed over West Dixie Hwy on a daily basis. I was not offended by that road. I grew up watching the Dukes of Hazard and not once did I look at the General Lee and thought that car was racist. Hell I wanted a Rebel flag belt buckle. I now live in Charleston, SC, where the first shots of the Civil War rang out from. There are streets named after Confederate Generals here. Am I offended? No. Am I protesting downtown? No, I have better things to do like work. A symbol is only as powerful as you let it be. Hell if you're offended by it, steal it. Imagine the looks on racist if the rebel flag was now the new symbol of BLM.

Response by MAJ Jim Hollingsworth made Nov 15 at 2017 10:15 PM

MAJ Jim Hollingsworth — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 22:15:43 -0500

I would leave it be.

Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Nov 19 at 2017 11:55 PM

TSgt J.L. Brown Jr — Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:55:51 -0500

No response needed, it's a part of history.

Response by SGT David Ford made Nov 21 at 2017 9:32 PM

SGT David Ford — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:32:37 -0500

I would disallow the modified version of any of the flags that have flown over our country.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 6:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 06:19:39 -0500

The War between the states was not just about slavery but about and host of other things as well. Slavery existed in North America under British rule for about 150 years, than under the United States for about 80 years, and under the Confederacy for only around 4 years. So why don't we
protest the other flags as well?

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Nov 25 at 2017 6:48 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:48:41 -0500

While I am not offend by someone displaying the flag in their living space, I do object to the flag's display by any government agency or department at any level. It is the flag/symbol of a failed insurrection which sought to keep African Americans enslaved. I traveled extensively in Germany and maybe I missed it but I sure didn't see a statue of Hitler or the swastika dispayed.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2017 11:45 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:45:55 -0500

This will come down to an argument. The winner will be the chain of command. That’s how it usually goes, so get guidance from your Company 1SG, who will obviously need the same from the CO. Get it in writing, document all actions and execute with prudent follow up. There is no wiggle room here, and you don’t want to be on the wrong side of this in today’s environment. If for some reason the Cmd team has no position, contact JAG.

Response by SPC David Willis made Nov 27 at 2017 10:11 AM

SPC David Willis — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:11:20 -0500

Strictly technically speaking, its the flag of a treasonous group of states that waged open war against the country represented on our right arm.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made Nov 27 at 2017 11:09 PM

CPT Alfred Smiley — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:09:44 -0500

Interesting question. During the long history of the U.S. Armed Forces, we have fought England (twice), Mexico, the CSA, Spain, Germany (twice), Italy, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, and several handfuls of other small countries, non-state insurgents, and terrorists. All, including the CSA, have killed U.S. soldiers on the battlefield. Even so, I'm not sure I would have a negative reaction at face value to seeing any of those being displayed, UNLESS they are a CURRENT enemy (e.g., ISIS). If, on the other hand, I felt that any flag was disrupting the cohesion of my unit in any way, I would instruct that the flag should be taken down.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2017 3:37 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:37:06 -0500

Flags and symbols aren't problems. They could be, but not necessarily are, symptoms of a problem. The problem may be with the person displaying them. Is this person causing race-related problems in the unit? Does this person exhibit behavior contrary to order and discipline? Are there complaints? If no, then this flag might be nothing more than an affectation. If yes, then taking down the flag is only the first step in solving the much greater problem. Resist the urge to be politically correct, and look at the soldier and how that soldier relates unit values.

Response by CPL William Brown made Nov 30 at 2017 5:14 PM

CPL William Brown — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:14:19 -0500

I'm an author currently finishing a historical novel about the Border War that took place before, during and even after the Civil War, and doing my research I found on a trip to that region a number of atrocities and massacres that took place that we were never told about in school, and I'm originally from that region. When the North invaded the south, they burned homes, farms, schools and even some churches. When those men that were against the war rose up to protect their homeland many of them died. If you and I had been living there at that time we would have done the same. Would that make us rebels or would that make us a patriots? The flag has special meaning and it should never be a crime to own one.

Response by Sgt Jake Middlebrook made Nov 30 at 2017 7:41 PM

Sgt Jake Middlebrook — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:41:53 -0500

I would take no action. It is not my job to be offended on behalf of others. In fact I strongly feel much of what is wrong involves people being offended on behalf of someone else often some hypothetical person who may or may not actually exist.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Nov 30 at 2017 9:02 PM

CPL Brendan Hayes — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:02:19 -0500

To reluctantly throw my hat into the ring (as a Northerner no less), there is an issue with the "rebel" flag. While some people may argue that this is because of what it represents, it is hard to ignore some of the less than noble events in our country's past. So, why differentiate between the two? As near as I can tell, it deals with the appropriation of the "rebel" flag by extremist groups.

The "rebel" flag has become a very recognizable symbol for a number of hate based groups. As has been mentioned in previous posts, the swastika has been around a lot longer that Nazism. However, when that symbol was appropriated by the Nazi Party, the meaning behind it changed forever. While it may seem like I am using extremes, I am only trying to make a point. I'll use something with which I have personal experience.

I am of Irish descent. As part of my upbringing, I was taught to treat everyone with respect but to always take pride in who I am and where I came from. As a result of this, I had an Irish flag in my barracks' room. When I started getting tattoos, most of them were related to my heritage. After a couple of months, I was called into my C.O.'s office and asked to explain my tattoos. I had no idea, up to that point, that Celtic iconography was an identifier for white pride groups.

The unfortunate truth is that even the most benign items can be appropriated by individuals/groups and turned into symbols that represent something loathsome. I am still proud of my heritage and my tattoos reflect that, but I also accept that I may have to explain them from time to time.

The "rebel" flag can certainly represent pride in where you are from; unfortunately, it can also represent something far more sinister as well.

...at least that's how I see it.

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Dec 1 at 2017 2:32 PM

Sgt Carlos Barrera — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:32:17 -0500

absolutely none; if the service member has it, is his prerogative.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2017 8:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Dec 2017 20:55:41 -0500

in 1989 had a 1sg make me take down a iron maiden banner (trooper) because it has a rebel flag. yes he was black. i liked the band and still do, and was not making a political statement or any statement other than i liked the band. 20 yrs latter i would fight this. the battle flag is part of our history and should be left alone. no you cant use it as a advocate for ethnic division as that is against proper military order but just because someone dos not like it in a persons room is not grounds to make them take it down

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Dec 7 at 2017 10:28 PM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:28:13 -0500

I would retire this post. Get a life , move on.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 1:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:27:38 -0500

The Commander makes that determination..

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2017 8:38 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:38:22 -0500

What violation is there? There isn't any protection in the Bill of Rights to being offended. If one can say to another, grow up and remove the flag, there is the same right for the person who owns the flag to say, grow up and ignore my flag.
Commanders, have a right by regs to remove items that cause disruption. Disruption only occurs when there are certain parties that can not maintain self discipline. Unfortunate that Commanders and First Sergeants have to babysit - but a Rebel Flag, or what people are familiar with "The Confederate Naval Jack" does not mean slavery is coming back or that the person who has one is wanting it to come back - or agrees with the southern slavery mentality. What I see is no different than someone expressing a form of individuality. No different than someone who expresses rebellion in clothing, hair color or lifestyle.
In the word of a few great leaders - if you are offended "Suck it up and move on"

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 18 at 2017 7:19 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:19:46 -0500

My ancestor is on this Monument in a small Rhode Island town for his service in the 2nd Rhode Island Light Artillery. A battery of the Second was the battery that made the stand at Dunkard's Church at the Battle of Antietam. My Ancestor's battery fought in McClellan's Peninsula campaign, from which he did not return. So my impression, I hope Snuffy has a fire extinguisher, because that thing is going up in flames. there is no place for the flag of insurrection in our billets, there is no place for the flag of racism and hatred. For any one to say it is otherwise I challenge you to read Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens cornerstone speech. May your ignorance be lifted.

Response by Sgt Jon Mcvay made Dec 21 at 2017 7:29 AM

Sgt Jon Mcvay — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 07:29:09 -0500

The Confederate flag was designed with the cross of Saint Christoffer. As is the Spanish,Scottish, British, and Norwegian flag. Now if any of these flags offend you because of it's design then you should remove it. I would think your first action would be to tell that person to remove the flag. It's just a flag it hurts no one.

Response by SGT Josheua Cooke made Dec 21 at 2017 12:20 PM

SGT Josheua Cooke — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:20:14 -0500

The soldier in question would be made to write "The South will not rise again" legibly on lined paper no less than 1000 times followed by an oral essay on why he as a US soldier only has allegiance to one flag.

Response by SSG John Passmore made Dec 24 at 2017 9:20 PM

SSG John Passmore — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 21:20:52 -0500

The Civil War was an armed insurrection by an illegal band of men against the The United States of America. You now serve the United States of America to support its Constitution. Any support or self identification or sympathy toward that illegal government is treasonous. Just as treasonous as support to the Soviet Union, Nazi German, Al Qaeda or ISIS. If you choose to honor or respect an entity and the flag for which it stands, who was or still is an enemy of the United States, please leave our Military and Nation. You have dishonored us all.

Response by SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ] made Dec 25 at 2017 12:26 AM

SFC James William Bolt [ 40 Yards ] — Mon, 25 Dec 2017 00:26:37 -0500

Let get real the Stars and Stripes that we served under . Has It share of stains on it . The bombing during WW2 the two A bomb that kill all those people in Japan . They were going about they daily life when hell came down from above. We use that excuse to make it right that they were warned The winners writes the history of the war .People can do a lot of things to make themselves feel good by the action they take . sign 40 yards

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2017 9:22 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:22:27 -0500

This shouldn't even be an issue. As leaders, we waste enough of our time dealing with Soldiers that actually cause real and substantive problems in our units. The last thing we need to do is get distracted by some ridiculous media driven impulse to purge our society of illiberal symbols. We need to focus on real problems, and this isn't it. Give the Soldier back his flag.

Response by TSgt Giff Coran made Dec 29 at 2017 9:56 PM

TSgt Giff Coran — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:56:33 -0500

I feel the flag is hanging in his or her personal space, it’s just that, their personal space. Job performance and ability to work with any race or sex is what a soldier should be judged by.

Response by SSG Robert Edwards made Dec 30 at 2017 5:50 PM

SSG Robert Edwards — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:50:07 -0500

The flag stays until someone files a complaint, then you must arbitrate in order to come to a mutual agreement.

Response by SSG Robert Edwards made Dec 30 at 2017 5:55 PM

SSG Robert Edwards — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:55:00 -0500

The flag represents an individuals view as part of their heritage. Do not exercise your authority, wait until someone complains. Remember it was in their room. Once the complaint has been filed arbitrate a solution.

Response by SPC Robert Conway made Dec 30 at 2017 10:49 PM

SPC Robert Conway — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:49:36 -0500

It should be removed, by regulation. Any good commander should be aware that the divisive nature of that flag is counter to good order and discipline.

Response by Maj Ken Brown made Dec 31 at 2017 1:31 PM

Maj Ken Brown — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:31:56 -0500

This is a difficult question. On one hand, the southern boys I served with were some of the most patriotic men I've ever met. Their pride in dixie was second only to their pride in the United States: albeit to them, United States was always referred to as plural. On the other hand, sensitivity training rejects the idea of setting oneself apart via certain symbols: i.e., the double "S" rune used by certain scout snipers who used it to set themselves apart from other Marines.

The Raider battalions in WW2 were criticized for setting themselves apart. However, their combat performance was exemplary. Disbanding them and the para-marines was based on egalitarian reasoning, not combat logic.

Remember, being proud to be a southerner does not make one a racist.

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Dec 31 at 2017 2:01 PM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 14:01:46 -0500

Rebel Flag, being the Stars and Bars of the Confederacy or the Satire Flag designed by PGT Beauregard? There is a distinct difference between the two, a history student can tell one that. If it is the battle flag which has been used by extremists as a rally symbol, I would question the Soldier's reason to display such an item. Most specifically I would ask him or her to write an essay covering the meanings of the combined symbols what it may mean to both the general public and him or her self. Historically the Confederate battle flag is square, with differing sizes assigned to Infantry, Artillery, and Cavalry. The Battle Flag of Tennessee is the more commonly seen device in a 3x5 banner. I feel that more aptly you have a training and educational moment now, considering most younger soldiers don't understand the full function and purpose of the devices from inception and development of a battle field standard during Napoleonic type battles, to becoming war trophies of various regiments of the Union Armies, and the return of various symbols to the Southern States those symbols well after Reconstruction. As for my personal opinion if the Soldier is unaware of the history and full meaning of the flag's combined symbologies regardless of cultural or ethnic back ground, then learning the lessons is a better course of action than punishments, and having the soldier loose 2 or 3 nights social time while writing a well researched essay that would need to pass muster in a College level class should be incentive enough to consider other means of expressing their spirit. Educating the soldiers is more productive than having them push down the earth till you get tired.

Response by Sgt Tyler Erman made Jan 1 at 2018 6:49 AM

Sgt Tyler Erman — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 06:49:27 -0500

Hahaha wow times have changed from just a few years ago.

Response by SFC Steven Raymond Thompson made Jan 2 at 2018 11:47 PM

SFC Steven Raymond Thompson — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:47:31 -0500

For what it's worth, Ssgt Seidel, That isn't the Stars and Bars. It is the Confederate Battle Flag. The 'Stars and Bars' is The 1st National Flag of the Confederacy. Blue field with Stars, Red Bars at top and bottom, and white bar in center.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2018 4:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:16:11 -0500

The same arguments could be made of Nazi Germany"s flag: it represents those who valiantly faught for their country willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice for something they truly believed in, displayed a great warrior ethos in doing so. and it is part of my ancestory..... except for 1 difference, the Nazi army was not lead by Generals who swore to defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

Response by SFC Gaspar Garrido made Jan 5 at 2018 4:34 PM

SFC Gaspar Garrido — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:34:20 -0500

As a former NCOmm, I would leave the flag be. We had this issue when I was stationed in Fort Eustis, VA. We had a NCO displayed these colors on his front license plate of his POV and our CSM wanted it removed. First of all, the POV belongs to an individual so this is considered private property and no the CSM could not have it removed. This rebel flag displayed on the car was not doing us anything wrong. Now in the barracks, the topic might become a hot issue. As I stated before, just let it be, my personal opinion.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2018 11:18 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:18:17 -0500

I respect freedom of speech, but I will personally judge you and hold a bias. It's the flag of traitors and slavers, if that's how you'd like to be seen, thanks for letting me know. I do like rebels who stand for freedom, like the founding fathers. Neo-confederates only stand for their "right" to oppression.

Response by SGM Chad Trangsrud made Jan 8 at 2018 10:41 PM

SGM Chad Trangsrud — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 22:41:41 -0500

I would have to say if it is in there room and not made a show about it let it go there are lots and lots of flags and it in there area so to speak and then, then sit the person down and tell him that

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Jan 9 at 2018 9:37 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 09:37:32 -0500

I see good reasons to tell them to keep it out of sight and good reasons to ignore it. However, unit cohesion is the number one goal for any unit so its best if it is not around. The last thing any commander or NCO needs is a fractured unit split along racial lines or any other lines for that matter.

Response by SSG Dale London made Jan 12 at 2018 12:03 PM

SSG Dale London — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:03:25 -0500

However much I may or may not sympathize with any given sentiment, the Commanding Officer has scope to say what shall or shall not be displayed within the barracks. The army is not a "free speech" zone and soldiers have no right to self-expression in the unit environment. If the CO says "No Rebel flags," displaying one constitutes disobeying a direct order and may be punished by Article 15 or Courts Martial.
This is not a "snowflake" or "political correctness" issue. This is a simple matter of doing what you're told.

This is the same rule that applies to pornography, or anything else that may be construed by the CO as contrary to good order and discipline. It is his or her call. End of story. If he or she is offended by the flag, guess what, it's his or her unit and he or she is boss. Take it down.

If you feel very strongly about it, take it up with the CSM, who may or may not give you a dime and tell you to call your mother to tell her you're in the "Real" army now.

Response by MAJ Bradley Hayes made Jan 12 at 2018 8:59 PM

MAJ Bradley Hayes — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:59:38 -0500

For most of the 20th-century, the “Rebel Flag” motif was incorporated into numerous patches and insignias of both national guard and active duty units (including the US Army Rangers). It was not until the NAACP boycott, created in the 1990s (many would say in order to stir up controversy in order to justify its post-Civil Rights continued existence) that it became a “political” issue. When I was in the 29th Infantry Division (of Normandy fame), our Color Guard still carried the Confederate flag as part of our unit colors. Even today, units who trace their lineages to former Confederate units display battle streamers for their Civil War campaigns with the gray over the blue (those who trace their lineages to Federal units have the blue over the gray). By the same token all Civil War veterans are fully recognized as American War veterans - the VA-issued headstones for Federal have a rounded top whereas Confederate ones have a pointed top.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 13 at 2018 12:58 AM

LTC John Griscom — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:58:44 -0500

North won; wrote the history; made the South look bad. 'Nuf said.
Francis Scott Key's grandson, along with other Maryland officials, was locked up at Fort McHenry and other places for 14 months without being charged with anything.

Response by William Smith made Jan 13 at 2018 4:14 AM

William Smith — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 04:14:51 -0500

i don't think that this is a question of what that flag means to anyone, either good or bad
If it was a green piece of paper and yet disruptive to good order and discipline or unit morale as a whole then you can correct that. in fact you have a responsibility to do that.

Hopefully whatever the flag means to that individual the good of the team comes first and they can agree on that point at least. It does not seem like a violation per se. If it did not disturb anyone it would not be a problem. It is only a violation to not take it down when told to do so.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 14 at 2018 12:45 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:45:52 -0500

SFC Seth King ATW. As I have done in the past, I would tell them to take it down.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jan 14 at 2018 4:52 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:52:48 -0500

If you'd had complaints about it, if it was causing problems with the troops, of course remove it. If it was just your own sensibilities that were offended, I don't see where you had the authority to remove it under the existing regulations as explained here.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jan 14 at 2018 5:00 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 17:00:25 -0500

If you were getting complaints about or it was causing problems with your troop, then of course remove it. If it were your own sensibilities that were offended, under the existing regulations as explained by yourself I don't see where you had the authority to remove it.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jan 14 at 2018 5:09 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 17:09:11 -0500

I have to bring this up again. The flag isn't my point here. It is who wanted to keep slaves and who all have slaves. We must not forget that Linclon was a Republican. And it was Johnson and his great society that has done more harm than good. Trillons have been spend on intercities but no positive results have been seen. This troubles me, race relations arn't getting much better and we are still going downhill. The Democrats and their little group of Nazis along with the press and make law judges ae hurting us now. Throw in Hollywood and we have it on all sides. The day I turn to a actor for advise is the day I want someone to shot me.

Response by CPO Charles Mabry made Jan 18 at 2018 11:43 AM

CPO Charles Mabry — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:43:59 -0500

Here's a thought. Why don't we all act like adults and stop being offended by everything. Clearly there is hate associated with the confederate flag, but there is love and pride as well. It means different things to different people. Let's judge our soldiers, sailors, airman, and marines by their actions and not by a flag that they have. 1SG Willis is on the right track in my opinion. Case by case basis. When I was stationed in Gulfport, MS this issue came up quite a bit. My CO did exactly that - case by case. He would recommend that his sailors didn't fly the flag, but left it to their discretion - as long as it didn't impact the mission.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Jan 18 at 2018 9:34 PM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:34:01 -0500

The Confederate flag is part of the 121st ARCOM patch. I wonder if they will initiate a change?

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 19 at 2018 10:14 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 10:14:29 -0500

Back in my day we didn't give a shit, but then again we were all patriots and put the United States first. Didn't matter what color or religion or political affiliation, we were all proud ass Marines, the way God intended it to be.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Jan 19 at 2018 10:15 AM

SrA James Cannon — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 10:15:52 -0500

No action needed. As long as the guy isn't using the flag as part of some KKK rituals, who cares? There are plenty of folks who display the flag just to show that they are from the South. A lot of country music fans from all over the country display it as part of the country music or even rural lifestyle culture.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Jan 21 at 2018 11:50 AM

LTC John Griscom — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 11:50:44 -0500

In 1970, during an IG inspection, the IG found an American flag painted on the wall in the dayroom. Instead of the union with stars, a peace symbol was painted there. The IG gave the unit commander two hours to correct the situation or fail the inspection,

Response by Cpl Franklin Holbrook made Jan 21 at 2018 10:37 PM

Cpl Franklin Holbrook — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:37:28 -0500

Not a gaaawd damn thing!

Eventually you’re going to find a RAINBOW FLAG -then ask yourself WHAT do I do?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2018 1:28 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 13:28:42 -0500

Many of you are missing the entire point the South lost the war and then after the loss there came a guerilla campaign of fear violence and intimidation lead by the losers of the civil war to oppress the newly freed slaves via the kkk black codes and Jim Crow the banner of this movement is the confederate flag even more than 100 years later it still is a ingrained banner of fear and intimidation I lived in southern states most of my adult life and know that it is frightening site to marginalized people that already fear the police and the legal system readiness to act on their behalf to protect them plan and simple it needs to die if you want America to heal kill the flag

Response by Megan Pioch made Jan 28 at 2018 4:58 PM

Megan Pioch — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:58:13 -0500

I think you're wise in looking for official guidance vs interpretation of "Free Speech". In some of the articles I've read, part of being in the military is that you become a unit. "Self" isn't conducive to the mission of the military. People join to serve and represent the United States of America. They are bound by the the Articles and rules set forth in order to maintain unity and structure. That's why all wear the same uniform; all are required to attend and pass Basic Training; all are taught to work as a unit. That's what keeps people alive in combat. Even as civilians, retired military personnel are seen as representatives of the Branches they served. Your behavior is a reflection on the Group - good or bad. (The military doesn't like "bad" - only badass). As a leader, YOU are responsible for how others perceive YOUR Group. If you allow your soldiers to have certain things, it might cause an issue later on. From my interactions with military leaders on deployments, none of the Sgts or other leaders I've ever known have ever gotten in trouble for being a hardass and following the Rules. There are, however, leaders who get jammed up because their soldiers went off script. Respectfully -

Response by SFC David Boyd made Jan 30 at 2018 7:02 AM

SFC David Boyd — Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:02:09 -0500

You are actually talking about the Army of Northern Virginia Battle Flag. The was carried by units in that army during the Civil War.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Jan 31 at 2018 2:57 PM

SFC Mark Klaers — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:57:38 -0500

I call my platoon together and explain to them that though this might be offensive to some, we're going to let it go, because there are much more important things to deal with. That once we "close a door", we're closing EVERY door. Think about that long and hard before you become "offended". Consequently, if this gets out of hand and you start doing things for "the shock value", I will shut it all down. Be adults, be tolerent and above all else...be a soldier.

Response by Cpl Johnathan Yother made Jan 31 at 2018 8:09 PM

Cpl Johnathan Yother — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:09:49 -0500

Barracks are supposed to be maintained in a uniform and orderly fashion, personal displays of any flag (no matter the flag), hanging pictures, etc. disrupt that uniformity.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2018 12:54 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 00:54:11 -0500

I hate to tell you, but, the Confederate flag represents racism, oppression, and treason. Sure people were opressed under the American flag, but, if you look at the history of the American flag and the Declaration of Independence, the goal is to be more perfect. That’s why Amendments are aloud. Thomas Jefferson and others had several reservations about slavery. Eventhough they had slaves they were conflicted. The civil war was absolutely fought over slavery. The government of the confederacy founded on the principal that blacks are inferior and should be subjugated. I’ve ready many books on this and they all have the same conclusion. I will concede the point that not all the soldiers who fought on the side of the south agreed with that sentiment, after all the war was waged and championed by a rich aristocracy who wanted to maintain there fortunes. Many white people didn’t like slavery in those times because it prevented them from being able to find work. Why hire someone, when they own people who will do the job for free. So not only did slavery oppress Black people, but, white people as well, including some of those confederate soldiers. But just because they fought for the confederacy and weren’t racist or only fought for personal reasons does not negate the fact that the men who conceived of that Confederate flag started a war for it, and had planned to govern under that flag or rather under the official flag( stars and Bars or Confederate flag was not the official flag of the confederacy it was the “Battle flag”) did not do it for racist reasons. Read the “cornerstone speech” by the Vice President of the confederacy. Just because they happened to be on the wrong side of history doesn’t mean we can’t do away with that racist symbol. There may have been Nazis that weren’t racist and fought valiantly, but nobody, except racists, are proudly waving swaztikas around. The military should absolutely change the name of the military bases named after Confederates however, too many people normalize Confederate, flags and the like for it to become a priority. But, just be cause there is a Fort Bragg, Fort Lee, Fort Hood, etc. does not mean that the Confederate flag is not racist. It’s just evidence that we have quite always be fore we have that “more perfect union.

Response by PFC Bill Homans made Feb 1 at 2018 11:22 AM

PFC Bill Homans — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:22:11 -0500

Never having been an officer or senior NCO I never had to think about such decisions. To a leader since my service, it's an interesting question.

The UCMJ doesn't have anything on the books about this I guess, but let's take another example: suppose you carried on this inspection and found a banner, or a bumper sticker, or something, of a swastika, or some other symbol that you knew was from a neo-Nazi organization.

If I were the inspector, I would follow my chain of command's directives, but I would dern sure confiscate the banner and bring that troop to the orderly room ASAP! The worst that can happen to me in such a case will be to get countermanded. I would be confident that bringing possible neo-Nazi sympathies within my unit would not result in a negative report when it was time for me to get promoted.

A Confederate battle flag? Well, I grew up in the South (North Carolina). I grew up in the last two decades of Jim Crow.

I'm a Southern man by choice (Mississippi now), but no matter that I hear the argument of those who call the flag merely a symbol of verifiable history, I also hear the one that says that the history represented by that particular flag has long ago become a history that should be transcended and moved on from, just as Germany has steadfastly done after World War Two.

And besides, I also hear the argument that hundreds of thousands died so that we are (flaws aside) a freer, better country today. Slavery-- and racism-- was and is intrinsically BAD. I also hear and see that here in my nation, people I still consider my enemies foreign and domestic, by the history of my family and by the oath I took, are empowered by the symbol.

And I hear those arguments louder than the one of the Confederate Recreationalists.

A lot of fellers (and gals too) have rebel flags tattooed on themselves. Of course, the military can't order them to have the tattoos removed. The finding of such a thing in my unit might end up being a teachable moment for my platoon, or company, or whatever unit I held authority in. However, I don't think the Army etc. have designed such a training moment, and it has never happened in the ranks, or I reckon someone wouldn't have asked this question here.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Feb 1 at 2018 6:58 PM

LTC John Griscom — Thu, 01 Feb 2018 18:58:06 -0500

Had a guy from Massachusetts tell me how much he hated the South because of slavery. I asked him who owned the ships that brought the slaves to America, Most of the ship owners were from Boston.

Response by CH (LTC) Grant Speece made Feb 3 at 2018 9:51 PM

CH (LTC) Grant Speece — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 21:51:18 -0500

There is a regulation against having the Confederate Battle Flag on a military installation. I would warn them that they have a week to get rid of it.

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Feb 4 at 2018 1:51 AM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 01:51:37 -0500

I would not take Any action. As long as it’s not the Nazi flag or Isis flag, I have no issue with it. In my book, it is nothing more then an old battle flag of our history. It does not hurt anybody. It does not come down and rap itself around your neck to chock you out. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.....

Response by PO3 Curtis Tower made Feb 4 at 2018 4:26 PM

PO3 Curtis Tower — Sun, 04 Feb 2018 16:26:04 -0500

Barracks are military quarters serving as housing for those from many diverse backgrounds. That being said, members of the United States military must be able to demonstrate cohesive and objective unity in the furtherance of their particular mission. This comes back to the saying that we are here to protect democracy, not practice it.
In another vain and in the interest of civil conversation, so long as no one was explicitly offended by a flag that has, for all intents and purposes, no country to represent, then as long as these weren't open bay barracks, AND his bunk mates weren't complaining, then it could be deemed a non-issue. Of course, it's your call initially, then your superiors may have THEIR opinions, and so on and so on...just my .02.

Response by SSG Katherine Likely made Feb 5 at 2018 1:48 AM

SSG Katherine Likely — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 01:48:57 -0500

I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. i BELIEVE THE SOUTH HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR FLAG AND THE AMERICAN FLAG. I've KNOWN SEVERAL BLACK PEOPLE WHO OWN REBEL FLAGS AND there history tree found that generations pass fought for the Yankees. NOT Everyone has to agree on everything - freedom of speech. I believe that some people were riled up because they are haters. Where does the hating stop and the rights begin and end?

Response by SSgt Freddie Jackson made Feb 6 at 2018 1:35 AM

SSgt Freddie Jackson — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 01:35:27 -0500

It is apart of our Country's heritage. Personally, as a "Dark Green Marine" I don't have a problem with it. I would rather see a Rebel Flag rather than some other Country's flag that you'll constantly see being displayed for example in California.

Response by MGySgt Gerry Sweeten made Feb 6 at 2018 8:36 AM

MGySgt Gerry Sweeten — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 08:36:18 -0500

Is he or she a good soldier? If so , so what!!!!

Response by MGySgt Gerry Sweeten made Feb 6 at 2018 8:38 AM

MGySgt Gerry Sweeten — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 08:38:50 -0500

If that individual is expressing themselves in a manner that is not detrimental to the overall effectiveness of the unit, so what?

Response by PO3 John Faria made Feb 6 at 2018 10:15 AM

PO3 John Faria — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 10:15:26 -0500

The Air Force Commandant made what I consider the best speech on a similar area, If you are racist
get the hell out you don't belong here.

Response by PFC Robert L. Gonzales made Feb 6 at 2018 4:00 PM

PFC Robert L. Gonzales — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:00:12 -0500

Good point was made about a Confederate Flag tattoo. What do you do about that, when the display is permanent. It is NOT a symbol of racism but merely one of geographic pride much like the Lone Star State Flag (which nobody dares comment on) who btw fought for the South...give the insanity a break.

Response by PO3 Jed Dunkin made Feb 10 at 2018 5:09 PM

PO3 Jed Dunkin — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:09:21 -0500

Well Sarge as a Vietnam Vet I believe all Military has sacrificed and paid a price so that we will all have freedom for what we believe in, so if this soldier has high regard for his southern heritage and culture and the AMERICANS who fought for the south then he should be able to have his flag. After all by his service he has earned that right.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2018 5:53 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:53:31 -0500

interesting SFC Seth King

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2018 3:03 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:03:43 -0500

Tell the Soldier 1SG needs to know and he/she should consult the Command and the EO rep. That covers you, and the Soldier. I'm all for the 1st amendment but some troops just need this kind of drama in their life.

If one Soldier is offended, in my opinion it should come down.

If the Soldier had a poster of a unicorn farting rainbows I would find that offensive but it would not raise to the level that a confederate flag would. So common sense is a factor here too.

Response by SGT Carl Blas made Feb 11 at 2018 4:18 AM

SGT Carl Blas — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 04:18:35 -0500

When my CO found items like that during inspection, he would always inform the individual(s), "There's a time and place for everything, any personnel items don't belong in the barracks, nor on your person." After that, you belonged to TOP's disposition.
Note: Usually the incident was taken care of, and everyone lived happily ever after. Salute!

Response by SGT Aric Lier made Feb 16 at 2018 8:54 PM

SGT Aric Lier — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:54:51 -0500

promote ahead of peers

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 11:40 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:40:41 -0500

Response by MSG Charles Turner made Feb 17 at 2018 12:37 AM

MSG Charles Turner — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:37:27 -0500

None, What is wrong with someone having a Historical Flag? Now, if someone is inciting Issues or problems, I can see the problem. But that Flag is Part of the US History. Many Brave Men Died for what they believed in. It, no more that the, Union Jack or Flags from other nations (and US Territories as Puerto Rico) is not a issue in it's self, although many would like us to believe so.

Response by SPC Clay Wilson made Feb 18 at 2018 9:36 AM

SPC Clay Wilson — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:36:30 -0500

People can use any emblem/flag/etc to claim that it stands for one thing or another. My question is why does "common sense" dictate that the flag should not be there? Is this a form of tolerance or intolerance? Case in point: I had a confederate flag in my room in our barracks while stationed in Germany. My roommate, had a multi colored flag of the continent of Africa. My commander gave us a room inspection and ordered my flag to be removed while nothing was said to my roomate about his flag. My roomate ended up with article 15 charges against him because of his response to the order given. Did he go too far? Problably. Whom believes that morale in our platoon/company/ battallion improved over these actions?

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Feb 19 at 2018 3:46 AM

Capt Christian D. Orr — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 03:46:45 -0500

I would leave it the hell alone; fuck Political Correctness and sensitivity, it's undermining our military and our country as a whole!

Response by MSgt Hamish Barrett made Feb 19 at 2018 3:08 PM

MSgt Hamish Barrett — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:08:44 -0500

Since it is modified is it still a Confederate flag? Many states have been owned by other countries & those flags are still flown. The Confederate flag should be no exception. I cannot stand the French but, I do not complain or get offended when I see the flag. I look at it like the Wars of the Roses or Cavaliers vs. Roundheads during the English civil wars. In each war there was a loser. That does not negate the patriotism of the loser.

Sometimes a situation will escalate because of the attention it gets. I recommend leaving it alone.

Response by PO2 Gerry Tandberg made Feb 26 at 2018 11:56 AM

PO2 Gerry Tandberg — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:50 -0500

This seems to be a gray area depending on the circumstances. Several courts across the nation have upheld restrictions by government to prohibit the display of confederate flags in cemeteries. Other courts, however, have allowed the display of the confederate flag atop state buildings. While someone has the freedom to fly the confederate flag on his or her property, there is a possibility that the government can restrict this display in a public place. I might suggest a soldiers room is his domain, and not a public place, therefore should be OK. When I was in the Navy in the 1960's and stationed in the Southern States the Rebel flag was commonly displayed everywhere. The Rebel flag and the war between he states was more about states rights than it was over slavery.

Response by Pvt Lee Chrastil made Mar 5 at 2018 4:23 PM

Pvt Lee Chrastil — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 16:23:23 -0500

Is this really a question that needs answered? Is the military really this PC now? What kinda soldiers are we training? I am without words to describe my utter and complete disappointment that this is what the military has come to.

Response by PO1 B Lu made Mar 6 at 2018 11:41 AM

PO1 B Lu — Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:41:27 -0500

Yeah, sure, remove the flag. But then remove all other flags because someone might take offense to them. Remove Puerto Rican flags, Jamaican flags, French Flags, every flag so no snowflake gets offended. History, not hate. Try learning the difference.

Response by PO1 B Lu made Mar 6 at 2018 12:05 PM

PO1 B Lu — Tue, 06 Mar 2018 12:05:57 -0500

Pretty pathetic that our military is so set on flag training, diversity training, transtestical training, sensitivity training, instead of training for battle and war. Meanwhile, Russia just launched a new ICBM that can't be touched, while the U.S. military trains about being inappropriately "touched".

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2018 5:48 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Mar 2018 17:48:42 -0500

Your ability to be offended shouldn't restrict someone else's Right to free speech. I am not from the South, and don't particularly care for the area (it's too damn hot). But Abraham Lincoln granted a full pardon to all Soldiers and units in the Confederate Army (except the high command), "Let us at all times remember that ALL American citizens are brothers of a common country, and should dwell together in the bonds of fraternal feeling." That means their history is your history too.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2018 7:21 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:21:47 -0400

I flew a Confederate flag on my truck. I had a dark green Cpt come up to my truck and insisted that I must be associated with the KKK. He filed a EO complaint against me. I was a LCpl at the time by the way.
Later on in the week, I got called into the office of higher-ups and they asked me, verbatim, "Are you an American?"... "Yes, Sir."... "Do you support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America?"... "Yes, Sir."... "Did you take that flag down off of your truck?"... "Yes, Sir."... "Then go to your barracks room, and put that flag back on your truck, that is your right."

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2018 7:27 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:27:35 -0400

Let's remember that we all support and defend the Constitution, even the 1A, so we cannot pick and choose which ones apply to us just because of differences in opinions.

Response by Capt Michael Halpin made Mar 21 at 2018 12:32 PM

Capt Michael Halpin — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:32:46 -0400

I wouldn't take any action, unless someone brought me a copy of the reg saying Confederate Flags are not permitted in the barracks. Then I would study the issue. Short of that I would take no action nor would I worry about it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2018 6:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 06:06:16 -0400

http://www.confederate-flags.org/

The problem is perception, not the flag. That very same flag was my High school flag. It was originally General Lee's battle Flag. And was never used as a flag for slavery or the South. The link above has a history lesson on these flags.

As I said the problem is only in perception of others.

Flags of the Confederacy

Army of the Potomac Army of the Peninsula Army of Northern Virginia Western Armies 1861 to late 1863 Western Armies late 1863 to 1865 Department of South Carolina, Florida & Georgia Department of Mississippi & East Louisiana The Hardee pattern Battle Flag The Cassidy pattern Battle Flag

Response by PO1 Jim Fuller made Mar 22 at 2018 7:07 PM

PO1 Jim Fuller — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:07:53 -0400

Correction... It is Lee's Battle Flag. It was never a Confederate Flag. And at this point in time it is Grant's Flag. Lee presented it to Grant at his surrender. Grant was generous enough to allow Lee's officers to depart with sword and pistol, his men their horse. I'm sure those who display the banner now do so for their fondness for U. Grant otherwise they raise a failed semaphore...

Response by PO1 Michael Steffens made Mar 22 at 2018 7:17 PM

PO1 Michael Steffens — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:17:57 -0400

Let it be

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2018 9:14 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:14:30 -0400

Thumbs up. But I might be bias and from the south. I have come to notice that it has a different meaning to me than all those liberals. I find it difficult to believe that black people I knew who were proud to display the flag really thought it was a symbol of slavery. But that’s just my experience and you can hate me for it and I don’t care.

Response by PO1 Michael Garrett made Mar 23 at 2018 3:48 PM

PO1 Michael Garrett — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:48:44 -0400

I have read many comments concerning this question and I have to say that most of them do not address the question which was posed by the SFC.
The rebel flag found in barracks inspection; what action would you take?
As a Southerner, I am proud of my Confederate heritage. However, I am not defined by it. I took an oath to the United States of America, as did every Southerner. We support and will gladly give our lives to this country when called upon to do so. We proudly serve along side people from every state and territory of the US.
Finding a Confederate flag is no big deal. Should those individuals with rebel flag tattoos be ordered to remove those tattoos? What did the SFC do with the individual? Was the flag owner punished? Was he told to get rid of the flag? How far is society willing to become politically correct? Who defines this society? In one aspect, we are still fighting that war to this day.
My question for the sergeant and for the rest of you is why only now (within the past two years) has the issue of the Confederacy become important? It did not matter in the past. Few people paid attention to it, nor did they care.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Mar 23 at 2018 7:05 PM

CPT Jeff Robinette — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 19:05:26 -0400

Would it be offensive onnyiur eyes to censor free speech?
In my eyes censorship in any form is morally wrong in a free society. The 1st Amendment covers political speech. It was never meant to censor anyone's political or casual thought.

Response by SPC Mike Davis made Apr 3 at 2018 7:07 AM

SPC Mike Davis — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 07:07:28 -0400

I would promote the guy! Who is the silly girl? Being a warrior is a man's job! Get a real man to lead.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Apr 3 at 2018 9:26 AM

SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 09:26:00 -0400

During the short time I resided in the barracks, I displayed the Puerto Rican flag even during inspections, and it didn't bother nobody. If it offended anyone, I never knew because it was never brought up to me. But in my opinion, when you are a member of the United States military, we kinda gave up some rights. We lived by high standards, and have to conduct ourselves accordingly. So, if I was ever asked to take it down, I would've regardless on how proud I am been where I'm from. Flag or no flag, I was still and am a puertorican, I didn't bother nobody and the mission was taken care of and accomplished. It is just my opinion on the matter.

Response by PO2 John King made Apr 9 at 2018 11:01 PM

PO2 John King — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 23:01:56 -0400

None

Response by LCpl Stephen Sharp made Apr 11 at 2018 2:40 AM

LCpl Stephen Sharp — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 02:40:32 -0400

The Soldier is in the ARMY, His/her "modified rebel flag is a BATTLE FLAG NOT a political statement.

Response by LTC Richard McClure made Apr 11 at 2018 7:41 PM

LTC Richard McClure — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:41:18 -0400

I spent about two years as an enlisted Soldier in West Germany back in 74-76. I was in the 519th Transportation Company at Patton Barracks in Heidelberg. I had a Confederate flag on the wall of my 4-man barracks room. Our room was always the best room in the barracks, appearance-wise, so pretty much any visiting dignitary would be paraded through it on an inspection tour or visit. One day a visitor (don't remember his name, he was a 2-star general, a black guy) was touring the barracks, escorted by our O-6 Garrison Commander. When they walked into the room, the Colonel just about fainted (so the First Sergeant, a tough little guy named Chester Zamskie, told me), Before the General could say anything, the Colonel told him that he would have me remove that flag immediately. The General looked at him and asked "Why? Are you having any race problems?" The Colonel replied that "No, no problems at all." The General then told him to leave it alone, and if problems did arise to ask me to take it down.

Bottom line, if there are no real problems, leave the Soldier alone. If problems arise because of a flag or other emblem, then work with them to resolve any issue. Some people are so easily offended

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2018 10:27 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:27:48 -0400

Nothing at all but say put that away before some liberal $hits their pants.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 11 at 2018 11:04 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 23:04:32 -0400

Hi Five the offender and go buy him a Moon Pie

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2018 10:32 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:32:34 -0400

It’s theres not mine and I think they should have the freedom to express themselves. I am not from the south but if they want to fly there rebel flag as much as I fly my California flag we should all get along

Response by SFC Hess John made Apr 12 at 2018 3:43 PM

SFC Hess John — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:43:17 -0400

Heritage , ours as a nation. Nothing wrong with it.

Response by SSG Anthony Newman made Apr 12 at 2018 7:52 PM

SSG Anthony Newman — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:52:39 -0400

I’m sorry but, If a person is so damn weak that a flag or object alone can hurt you or your feelings.
Stay Your ass at home!!!
You have no reason or business being in the Military if You allow petty shit or objects such as a flag to hurt or offend You.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2018 9:03 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:03:39 -0400

I had a rebel flag hanging in my barracks room and my 1SG made me take it down. When I questioned him about the rule he told me to do some research on the ARs.. the only thing I found was that it is up to to commander whether or not you can have a rebel flag hanging but if the commander makes you take your flag down because it could offend someone the command team has to make all SM take their flags down that are not either a state or the American Flag.

Response by PO1 Edward D'Antonio made Apr 13 at 2018 12:53 PM

PO1 Edward D'Antonio — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 12:53:54 -0400

Unless official complaints are turned in nothing should be done.

Response by SGT Steven Dillman made Apr 14 at 2018 9:01 PM

SGT Steven Dillman — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:01:43 -0400

When i was station in germany i had the American, German, Confederate, Missouri, North Carolina, and nra flags hanging on my side of the room. I am white and my roommate was black. Nothing was ever considered bad, racist, or disrespectful. I guess is their actions that follow when a flag is flown in a barracks room?

Response by CMDCM Richard Moon made Apr 15 at 2018 5:39 PM

CMDCM Richard Moon — Sun, 15 Apr 2018 17:39:48 -0400

Context is important. If it's identified to a specific individual as a symbol of racism as evidenced by behavior, that's one thing.

There is literally nothing that could be displayed that isn't "offensive" to some, and by that measure you might as well have a policy that says nothing can be publicly displayed - ever and anywhere. Leaders don't promulgate and enforce such inane policies - I hope.

i once had a Soviet flag in my spaces. I displayed it for a reason and as a reminder. Trust me when I say it evoked a number of conversations, but it was never intended to show my support of what was an evil regime and an implacable enemy. What people who confronted me on it were discussion on why they were our adversary and what that meant to them - personally.

If you or anyone else in the chain of command attempts to make this an issue - when I think it's clear that it isn't the issue you thinnk it is - be prepared for heavy seas. You'll have deserved it because it's wrong to ascribe your values (or the perpetually offended's) to something that probably means something else entirely to someone else. I then refer you back to my comment - remove everything, everywhere as potentially offensive.

Response by SFC James Heath made Apr 18 at 2018 2:49 PM

SFC James Heath — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:49:06 -0400

What would your reaction be if the soldier were white. The standards are not changed and apply equally to both.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2018 6:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:16:04 -0400

I'd say "Nice flag" and carry on with my day.

Response by SPC Richard M. Padgett made May 1 at 2018 12:29 AM

SPC Richard M. Padgett — Tue, 01 May 2018 00:29:09 -0400

I personally believe it would violate the soldier's heritage. As much as civilian try to be all inclusive and eliminate anything deemed offensive, the military has to be above that because soldiers come from all walks of life, background, history,etc... It could keep going for quite awhile. 'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.' ~George Santayana

Response by PO1 Michael Hyland made May 1 at 2018 1:18 PM

PO1 Michael Hyland — Tue, 01 May 2018 13:18:58 -0400

A barracks is not a college dorm room

Response by SrA Robert Hubbard made May 1 at 2018 1:28 PM

SrA Robert Hubbard — Tue, 01 May 2018 13:28:22 -0400

Isnt it up to the CO of the barraks if the flag should be removed or left hanging? I dont recall any specific article/code which specifically states that the CSA flag must be removed. Also note, if it is removed, then no flag should ve allowed since no matter where the flag originates from, it offends someone.

Response by SGT Clayton Magee made May 1 at 2018 1:42 PM

SGT Clayton Magee — Tue, 01 May 2018 13:42:06 -0400

I write this from a different perspective than I suspect many will. My great great grandfather served in the Union army and those serving under the rebel flag would have killed him if they had the opportunity. Next, I nevertheless appreciate the incedible suffering the common soldier went through and the unbelievable courage the common soldier on both sides exhibited. They are worthy of every bit of respect that may be given them. I really wonder if today’s soldier would be willing to undergo such suffering and exhibit such unbelievable courage. The common union and confederate soldier deserve every bit of honor that can be given them.

However the flag is a different matter. Those serving under the confederate banner were supporting a cause that supported slavery and worse, fought against their lawfully formed government and its lawful army. We all know that is a treasonable act. There is no valid way around that fact. For the confederate soldier it was an act for which he was personally responsible and liable for. Fortunately the confederate soldier did not receive the punishment that he could have been given. The surrender to Grant and Sherman, and others, was on more generous terms than they could ever have expected, be they private or General. Thank our God for the wisdom that was present in the surrender days.

Because of the treasonable actions that the Stars and Bars exhibited, no American Soldier should wear that flag as a tattoo or as clothing.

Response by SGT Greg McCall made May 1 at 2018 2:31 PM

SGT Greg McCall — Tue, 01 May 2018 14:31:03 -0400

Such a contentious argument, filled with half truths, revisionist history and outright bad intel!

Seems obvious that with such a divisive and emotional issue, that commanders should act in the best interest of their units.
Good order and discipline are being effected, in dramatic and emotional ways
I would not allow anything to effect my units cohesion and combat readiness...

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made May 1 at 2018 3:34 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Tue, 01 May 2018 15:34:22 -0400

We are doomed if this is even a question

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made May 1 at 2018 3:36 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Tue, 01 May 2018 15:36:11 -0400

Why does common sense say it shouldn’t be there?

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made May 1 at 2018 3:51 PM

1SG Cj Grisham — Tue, 01 May 2018 15:51:36 -0400

What would I do? Nothing. People need to sack up and stop being offended at THINGS. If they are offended, that's a choice they made. It's ACTIONS that we leaders need to be worrying about.

Response by Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest made May 1 at 2018 3:58 PM

Maj Rev. Fr. Samuel WATERS - Traditional RC Priest — Tue, 01 May 2018 15:58:58 -0400

I would do nothing. It is one of many historical flags of our nation!!!!!! The flag represented a segment of our population at one time and men died under that flag fighting for what they believed in. Present day military personnel are asked to put their lives on the line for what they believe in als. If they find strength, courage and commitment in that flag and identify with the men who served under that flag then sobbed it!!!!!!!!

Response by SFC Maurice Ritter` made May 1 at 2018 4:56 PM

SFC Maurice Ritter` — Tue, 01 May 2018 16:56:36 -0400

It took Both sides to have the civil war in the USA. Brothers fought Brothers and Dads fought their own sons so that we have the nation that we have today. Blacks put together their own companies and fought for what they thought was right and It is time that we start remembering our nations history and how we have come together to keep one and other safe. In my 21 years of serving some of my best friends and ones that I put my life on line for where MY Black Brothers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 5:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 May 2018 17:25:07 -0400

Some of these contest are assine

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 5:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 May 2018 17:25:24 -0400

Some of these comments are assine

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 5:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 May 2018 17:26:20 -0400

“Us flag has blood on it to” is that a valid point???

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 5:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 May 2018 17:27:25 -0400

The confederacy committed treason and had to be promised that they wouldn’t be charged with treason to come back into the union

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made May 1 at 2018 7:38 PM

SFC Bill Snyder — Tue, 01 May 2018 19:38:44 -0400

If no one complained or filed a grievance what's the problem. Some of the comments seem to battle the War over again. Tell the Soldier not yo lying or display the flag in the public view and there is dust on the window sill.

Response by MSgt Curtis Rogers made May 1 at 2018 8:36 PM

MSgt Curtis Rogers — Tue, 01 May 2018 20:36:12 -0400

PO1 Joseph Glennon
The cause of the Civil War was Southern Secession. There is no armed conflict without it. The South undeniably seceded because of the threat to the institution of slavery. If you don't believe me read Mississippi's Declaration of Secession. In the first few paragraphs it plainly states that Mississippi seceded because of the Union threat to slavery. It states that Mississippi's economy is based on agricultural products and that blacks were the only people who could work the fields in their 'subtropical environment'. I am not making this up, read it.
Also, The Union never declared war on the Confederacy. The Union wasn't going recognize the Confederacy as a legitimate entity. President Lincoln asked congress for 'war powers' to use against the southerners in insurrection against the Union.
While the Confederacy saw a threat to slavery, Lincoln simply wanted the Union preserved. He states famously that if he could end the war without freeing a single slave he would. Remember also that slavery was still legal some of the Union during virtually the entire war. Though the South seceded to protect slavery the North did not take to the field to end slavery . . . Not at first.
The Emancipation Proclamation was a military decision. It became apparent by 1862 that without slavery, the South's ability to make war would be greatly reduced. It made good military sense.
All this does little to address the original post. I am originally from North Carolina and I would never display a Confederate Flag of any type. I see it as a symbol of a treasonous insurrection, but like you said the winners write history . . . Well at least they write popular history. I think this issue comes down to a matter of free speech.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made May 1 at 2018 8:49 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Tue, 01 May 2018 20:49:41 -0400

No reason to do anything. This is a symbol of a significant part of American history as well as representing southern pride.

Response by 1SG Larry Taggart made May 1 at 2018 8:56 PM

1SG Larry Taggart — Tue, 01 May 2018 20:56:34 -0400

The Question is being lost on those who are trying to defend and or attack the Confederate flag. As far as the question goes. You need to be careful. Have you conducted inspections of housing of your soldiers? If the answer is NO. Than you might want to completely research your authority to discriminate against your barracks soldiers and you housing soldiers.

Response by SGT Leslie Robinson made May 1 at 2018 9:26 PM

SGT Leslie Robinson — Tue, 01 May 2018 21:26:09 -0400

I lived in the barracks for 3 yrs and had a rebel flag on the wall the entire time..went thru several inspections including a IG inspection...never was a issue...

Response by SGT Jack Stevens made May 1 at 2018 10:41 PM

SGT Jack Stevens — Tue, 01 May 2018 22:41:57 -0400

SFC King, this has been apparently been a touchy subject since after Desert Storm. When i was serving and had soldiers whos rooms i inspected, i always kept in my the forward part of my mind. That the barracks room is this soldiers home. Ask yourself this, "Do you have a Master Sergeant, 1SG, or Sergeants Major inspect your living quarters on contunued basis? I would probably say no you don't. So as a rule thumb, when inspecting your soldiers baracks room. Mental Checklist, is the room clean, orderly, and if he or she has a room mate, ask the room mate first if whatever you may find offensive, may not be offensive to the roommate. Just a thought.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made May 1 at 2018 11:13 PM

SFC Larry Jones — Tue, 01 May 2018 23:13:40 -0400

I'm Southern born and bred. I had ancestors in the Confederate army. I know I had at least one who owned a few slaves. When he returned from the war, informed them they were free and could leave, they asked him, "Where are we gonna go?" I probably went to school with some of their descendants. History cannot be erased just because a few weak minded individuals don't want to deal with it. The Stars and Bars is a part of AMERICAN history. Suck it up, buttercups, and quit trying to erase the parts of history you think you don't like.

Response by MAJ Fred Peterman made May 1 at 2018 11:19 PM

MAJ Fred Peterman — Tue, 01 May 2018 23:19:00 -0400

I wouldn't worry about it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2018 11:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 May 2018 23:54:16 -0400

The problem is people in general get offended by EVERYTHING! It’s annoying AF I wish I was back in the 80’s sometimes

Response by SGT Bill Everidge made May 2 at 2018 12:47 AM

SGT Bill Everidge — Wed, 02 May 2018 00:47:47 -0400

I would think that if it's causing issues that are detrimental to unit cohesion and morale, or if it creates direct conflict between soldiers, common sense tempered by sound judgment dictates it should go. The question you should ask yourself is, is it heritage? Or is it hate? There's nothing wrong with a soldier expressing pride in their heritage. It's a judgment call on your part and I'm 100% certain you'll do the right thing by your people.

Response by SrA Dan Frady made May 2 at 2018 3:42 AM

SrA Dan Frady — Wed, 02 May 2018 03:42:23 -0400

I believe it falls under freedom of speech.

Response by Sgt Scott McCleland made May 2 at 2018 8:51 AM

Sgt Scott McCleland — Wed, 02 May 2018 08:51:08 -0400

These flags are not trophy flags that were captured during battle, i had respect for the battle flag, however, common sence is required.
If it is not ok to allow a flag other than Old Glory to be shown, then why do we the military use enemy tactics, such as Rommel, etc. If it is in private Quarters allow it, if it is in public quarters take it down ,,,espirt de corps.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 9:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 09:22:15 -0400

In Korea I had roommates that all went out and got cultural flags. We had Purto Rico, Africa, Confderate flags on the wall and everyone understood that it was all good. If we are going to start telling white Service members that they cannot respect their heritage then we have a huge problem within the military. Now if there are other underlying problems then they should be dealt with. We have all seen the war posters in bldgs and some depict Confederate units. There are U.S. Army regiments that still have Confederate battle streamers on the Regimental Colors because they were absorbed into the U.S. Army. Do we disband those units now? I would have thought the military personnel would understand more than GP that history, especially military history, was important.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 9:35 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 09:35:05 -0400

The rebel flag is a battle flag, but when you add the eagle to it the meaning changes to represent upper echelon of the KKK. As explained to me by the son of a grandwizard of the southern knights of the kkk

Response by SFC Joseph Lumpkins made May 2 at 2018 9:52 AM

SFC Joseph Lumpkins — Wed, 02 May 2018 09:52:17 -0400

When I served 1980-2002 it was pretty normal to see things like this, but in today’s snowflake culture someone is offended by something everyday, so based on that it should have not been visible

Response by PFC Jason Brown made May 2 at 2018 10:02 AM

PFC Jason Brown — Wed, 02 May 2018 10:02:12 -0400

Considering everyone that fought under that flag was officially considered veterans I don't see a problem with it.

Response by MAJ John Moran made May 2 at 2018 10:30 AM

MAJ John Moran — Wed, 02 May 2018 10:30:25 -0400

No Big Deal. The “Rebel Flag” is not a historical flag. It’s a 20th century invention based off the Battle Flag of the Army of No. Virginia. There is nothing intrinsically “racist” about it. It’s a flag created to celebrate Southern heritage. A heritage that, while true, included slavery, also includes 4 of the first 5 Presidents of the USA.

The flag is in his quarters, it’s not being shoved in people’s faces.

By an act of Congress, Confederate Veterans are US veterans, and the Rebel flag flies at CSA cemeteries next to “Old Glory”

If there was a specific complaint about the flag from another soldier, that would have to be dealt with on a case by case basis, But don’t go looking for mole hills to make mountains out of.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 10:30 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 10:30:39 -0400

Who cares what he has up. If isn’t causing an issue then let it go. We are big boys and girls in the service

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 10:34 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 10:34:24 -0400

When did leaders turn into pussies? Leave the flag alone, leave the Soldier alone.

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made May 2 at 2018 10:53 AM

PO3 Scot Fahey — Wed, 02 May 2018 10:53:56 -0400

No actions required.

Response by MAJ Frank H Staley made May 2 at 2018 11:07 AM

MAJ Frank H Staley — Wed, 02 May 2018 11:07:03 -0400

How about displaying an item that represents treason?

After the war, even Robert E Lee admitted as much and even advised his former charges to put it away . . .

Response by MAJ Frank H Staley made May 2 at 2018 11:12 AM

MAJ Frank H Staley — Wed, 02 May 2018 11:12:42 -0400

Additionally, having grown up in the south, literally almost ever racially derogatory experience I've had (& there have been many) involved someone clearly displaying the Southern Cross (the actual name of that flag) . . .

Response by SFC Roger Bruce Walden made May 2 at 2018 11:30 AM

SFC Roger Bruce Walden — Wed, 02 May 2018 11:30:34 -0400

We've bred an Army of whiney little children. It's only offensive to the weak willed.

Response by SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) made May 2 at 2018 11:33 AM

SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) — Wed, 02 May 2018 11:33:06 -0400

It is the military not daycare. Do you get so anxious if you see a BLM flag? How about an apartheid flag? No? Then get over it. Seriously when did our military need safe spaces?????? Who cares what color the soldier was???

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 11:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 11:56:42 -0400

Leave it alone. While yes, the issue of slavery was one of the primary reasons that southern states rebelled and sought to form their own nation, we need to keep in mind that Soldiers have regional pride from the areas where they may have been raised. Also too, as military professionals we have learned lessons from the former leaders of the Confederate States Army in the area of tactics that are still studied and in some instances used to this day. So long as there are no actual racial images or words displayed, I would leave it be.

Response by SGT Donald G Smith made May 2 at 2018 12:30 PM

SGT Donald G Smith — Wed, 02 May 2018 12:30:39 -0400

In 1968, while in AIT, a good friend in our unit, from the Detroit area gave me a small Confederate flag. I’m from the south. The Operations sergeant saw it and got upset. He ordered me to run around the building waving the flag. Our SFC saw me and demanded to know what I was doing. I explained, so he had a serious talk with the Operations Sergeant. He never mentioned my flag again. To me the flag was just a gift from a friend.

Response by CPL Johnny Whalen made May 2 at 2018 12:34 PM

CPL Johnny Whalen — Wed, 02 May 2018 12:34:19 -0400

I personally dont have a problem with any flag, other than isis. But what u do on your own time is your buisness an what u do on military time and property is another. But here again in the army so many things have changed so with that being said if it aint hurting nobody leave it alone.

Response by CPL Ray Eanes made May 2 at 2018 12:57 PM

CPL Ray Eanes — Wed, 02 May 2018 12:57:11 -0400

Leave it alone... many of us served to maintain our freedoms..... leave then alone!

Response by PFC Lacey Burke made May 2 at 2018 12:59 PM

PFC Lacey Burke — Wed, 02 May 2018 12:59:52 -0400

I'm pretty sure that officially it's the chaplains call. .. when people started doing offensive things against me for being Pagan, like leaving bibles under my pillow etc, it was the Chaplain who decided what crossed the line, same when someone spray painted racial epitaphs in the bathroom of the barracks.

Response by SPC Tommy Helton made May 2 at 2018 1:19 PM

SPC Tommy Helton — Wed, 02 May 2018 13:19:06 -0400

Snowflakes are everywhere.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 1:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 13:28:52 -0400

Nothing that is not a hateful flag or anything that is the Soldier's right

Response by 1stSgt C Youngblood made May 2 at 2018 1:30 PM

1stSgt C Youngblood — Wed, 02 May 2018 13:30:17 -0400

None

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 2:19 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 14:19:51 -0400

I personally don’t have a problem with it. There was a time n the Navy when guys from the south would get the Confederate Battle Flag on their cruise jackets.

Response by SGT Brian Lorkowski made May 2 at 2018 2:22 PM

SGT Brian Lorkowski — Wed, 02 May 2018 14:22:19 -0400

If there wasn't an issue, then where's the problem. I agree if the leaders are going to pass judgement, then they need to be specific and explain in the regulations.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 3:09 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 15:09:22 -0400

Objects have only the meaning which people impart to them.

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made May 2 at 2018 3:48 PM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Wed, 02 May 2018 15:48:24 -0400

Response by PFC Aaron Cox made May 2 at 2018 3:48 PM

PFC Aaron Cox — Wed, 02 May 2018 15:48:24 -0400

Stick to forcing them to take down Ethnic supremacy articles. If you have one in your unit... then you have a problem with vetting at the recruiter. If you have someone who is offended by an American born flag. Remind the entire unit we are all one color (o.d. green) and one ethnicity (United States Service personnel). We stand together as one or we die together as one because one or more forgot this fact.

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made May 2 at 2018 4:00 PM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Wed, 02 May 2018 16:00:11 -0400

I read many comments here before deciding to add my two cents. I remember the change to the regulations that covered these issues. In the immediate aftermath a Confederate flag issue came up. I was the EO NCO at the time and my commander chose to ignore my advice on the matter. Needless to say he made a big deal about it and totally embarrassed the soldier who had it. Within a week I had 10 EO complaints against several soldiers in the unit, enlisted and officer, one Major had a Puerto Rican flag in his car window, our 1SG had a Texas in his office, two senior NCO's had bumper stickers with the Gaston Flag and I even had a complaint against me for my West Virginia flag. I actually encouraged it to show the commander who needed to learn that just because someone lives in the barracks does not mean you can step all over their personal space. By the way I was also the BOSS rep at the time. It ended up with JAG becoming involved and made it's way to the attention of the post CSM, wouldn't know how, who was the post BOSS rep. Needless to say the CO addressed the unit and all said offensive flags were no longer a problem within our unit. So what I'm saying is know what an order can affect before you make an arbitrary decision.

Response by SGM Bob T. made May 2 at 2018 4:09 PM

SGM Bob T. — Wed, 02 May 2018 16:09:04 -0400

As long as no other soldiers in his unit are offended...

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made May 2 at 2018 4:11 PM

SPC Larry Weigel Jr. — Wed, 02 May 2018 16:11:17 -0400

Now, which Confederate flag is causing issues? This I'd like to know - since no one actually knows what flag they're talking about.

Response by CW3 Lysle Seelig made May 2 at 2018 4:22 PM

CW3 Lysle Seelig — Wed, 02 May 2018 16:22:46 -0400

None.

Response by SGT Ken R made May 2 at 2018 4:38 PM

SGT Ken R — Wed, 02 May 2018 16:38:37 -0400

Seems that "Good order and discipline" was not a problem until you came along. Leave him alone.

Response by SGT Mack Forgey made May 2 at 2018 5:09 PM

SGT Mack Forgey — Wed, 02 May 2018 17:09:32 -0400

A large portion of the military is and has been comprised of Southerners. The Confederate battle flag has been unofficially display by Americans in all branches over the years. There were no complaints before- from anyone- before the recent agitation by activist pressure groups. At some point this foolishness must stop.

Response by SGM Tom Keyser made May 2 at 2018 5:22 PM

SGM Tom Keyser — Wed, 02 May 2018 17:22:10 -0400

One of my soldiers, not white. Is the question about a questionable article or something else?

Response by SFC Grant Rosen made May 2 at 2018 5:28 PM

SFC Grant Rosen — Wed, 02 May 2018 17:28:07 -0400

For the barracks, it is the CDR's discretion, as long as it does not contradict Army policy or regulation. Check with your unit EO representative for current policies and guidelines concerning flags.

Response by CWO2 Bill Kerr made May 2 at 2018 5:47 PM

CWO2 Bill Kerr — Wed, 02 May 2018 17:47:05 -0400

While everyone interprets their history and make salient points in history it doesn’t solve this man’s dilemma. You know the answer. It’s politically correct to not have the flag in the day and age we live in. Do you want you, your unit and everyone in the chain of command be the butt of CNN, every far left organization, even the Military Times and then an investigation? It’s a crap thing to do but it is government/military owned and operated quarters. Every flag, standard, colors come down with the exception US, current military and unit flags. This leaves no room for interpretation and fairness across the board. Not even state flags because again it gets into the enslavement and or abuse of different races. Not other country flags for the same premise. Contrary to PC the barracks, any quarters, any facility aboard a base is NOT your personal space. If you want to express your love of state, other entities, countries etc do it at your house, you pay for that is your personal space. You can see by where this conversation went on historical abuses anyone can interpret and take issue with a variety of other flags and can bet your ass you’ll have a few barracks lawyers which will do exactly that if you remove only one or certain flags.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 6:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 18:50:36 -0400

Everyone should be fighting for the cause if you are Soldier the Confederate flag still represents a lot of racist groups that in itself should bar it from any military barracks because the military represents all nationalities

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made May 2 at 2018 7:01 PM

SSG Matt LaFramboise — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:01:19 -0400

There are at least two reasons why people embrace the battle flag or the stars and bars, which was first used by the army of northern Virginia.

The first, which is a kind of surface explanation, is that they imagine that in that context the flag is a representation of Southern history, Southern heritage, and Southern culture. They tie it to questions of state’s rights, and the absence of federal oversight.

People see it as a symbol of the South as a bound and discrete place. A part of the heritage that’s being celebrated with it is that the South is the South, that the region has clear borders that might collate with the borders of the Confederacy. It’s bound up, in this sense, in the question of the South as a once nation.

But I also think that people invoke the flag because they want to endorse on some level, even if secretly or subconsciously, the very rationale for the Confederacy. When people say 'heritage not hate,’ they are omitting the obvious, which is that that heritage is hate. When someone says it’s about history, well, that particular history is inseparable from hate, because it is about hate. It’s about racism, and it’s about slavery.

But what is far more problematic is that there is no way to separate the fact that it is on all of those flag poles and on those license plates, that it's on t-shirts and coffee cups and other paraphernalia, precisely because it was resurrected in the 1940s and 1950s as part of a massive resistance campaign against the civil rights movement. It wouldn’t exist in our national popular culture without this moment, when African Americans fought for their equality, and the battle flag was recovered and redeployed as a symbol of opposition to it.

What was once a very blatant, full-throated defense of white supremacy has now become this gesture to heritage and history that is presented as though it has nothing to do with the civil rights movement. But it has everything to do with the civil rights movement.

Wearing the flag or celebrating it, putting it on your car window or coffee table in your house, it's a reminder to everyone, to every guest, to every person who sees it, black or white, that you are a stakeholder in the Confederate history of the South, and therefore the defense of slavery and racial prejudice. No one is immune to this.

Even to say that it’s about heritage not hate, is to recognize that for many people it is inextricably about hate. You can’t filter out the racism and leave what’s pure and historical in the flag, because that purity doesn’t exist. Some things are so primitively stained or tarnished by history that that can never be set side. The flag is a perfect example.

The Southern culture is an amazingly rich and fascinating thing, but to choose the flag as what you’re going to trot out to celebrate great grandpa's role in the army of Northern Virginia all the way down to your Auburn, MI roots are only useful if you want to implicate your ancestors and their war to defend slavery.

Marginalization of not speaking up and stopping it means you accept it and justify the Confederacy cause; which in their succession documents were to own slaves and keep the social structure it supported.

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made May 2 at 2018 7:03 PM

SSG Matt LaFramboise — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:03:19 -0400

Response by SFC Christopher Wheadon made May 2 at 2018 7:07 PM

SFC Christopher Wheadon — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:07:47 -0400

At one time it came down to visibility and intent. While deployed I led an S6 section of eight Male soldiers. A spouse sent us a Hooters calendar for the section. It originally was on the wall behind the door to our shop so when the door was open as it was sitting or daily scheduled customer service period, it would not be seen. I smelled that often display could be taken as an EO or SHARP issue (as in hostile work environment for females), so it was not openly displayed.

Unless the is a complaint about said flag, then there is not an issue. Although while Active Duty you do have severe limitations placed on what regular citizens consider their Constitutional Rights, service does not deny you those rights, and leaders should not deny Soldiers those rights. Leaders should acknowledge it, discuss it with the Soldier, and if an issue arises be able to mediate between the two opposing views. Not everything will be covered in a regulation. Army Command Pvt gives Commanders broad authority to be able to maintain morale, order, and discipline. But just because a commander CAN do something doesn't mean they SHOULD.

As leaders we have to bethe reasonable voice in the room, even if that rationale choice doesn't necessarily mirror our personal feelings.

Response by Lt Col Phil Henning made May 2 at 2018 7:18 PM

Lt Col Phil Henning — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:18:08 -0400

Ok. As a former commander-if a single occupancy room and not visible from the outside it’s a judgement call. As others have commented, where does it stop. There is guidance on anti/American groups which advocate the overthrow of our Government or disparages the Chain of Command that display or other signs of support is clearly prohibited. No matter what we think, the Installation Commander has broad authority on what can and cannot be displayed anywhere on the base/post. Flags, garments, decals posters et al is coveted. If the Commander prohibits the Confederate flag then it must go.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 7:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:21:44 -0400

nothing wrong with the flag. South shall rise again

Response by SPC Kevin Stack made May 2 at 2018 7:33 PM

SPC Kevin Stack — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:33:57 -0400

Were there shoes lined up? Did they wax their floors? Was the bathroom clean? Was their wall locker in correct order? If so then next room please.

Response by PVT James Day made May 2 at 2018 7:45 PM

PVT James Day — Wed, 02 May 2018 19:45:03 -0400

Army regs says confederate dead are still U.S. Veterans...So.....

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 8:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 20:15:23 -0400

It's just a southern thing, yall wouldn't understand.

Response by SSG Erik McKinster made May 2 at 2018 8:30 PM

SSG Erik McKinster — Wed, 02 May 2018 20:30:55 -0400

Your first problem was stating "Not White". The fuck is that? Back when I was leaving Marines and soldiers we were all green.

So, you have a "non white" showing a little southern pride and I bet you're fricken head about exploded, huh? Question: remember when all those "non white" soldiers had those "modified" American flags with Obama's face in place of the Stars? Bet asked that question here too, right? POG problems...

Response by SGT Scotty Byrd made May 2 at 2018 8:45 PM

SGT Scotty Byrd — Wed, 02 May 2018 20:45:03 -0400

When I was a pvt. in Germany I had the same flag hanging in my room and no one ever said a word about it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 8:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 20:48:12 -0400

AR 600-20 governs this as well. I will tell you having been an EO for several years that you as a Commander have the authority tonsay it cannot be displayed in open view. But with restrictiins comes further restrictions. As others have stated, where do we draw the line?

I had a Commander who did just this and said a Confeserate fkag had to be taken down. The Soldier complied and took it down. This policy lasted all of a week when the same Soldier saw someone else with a flag displayed and asked to speak to the Commander on the open door policy. He simply informed that Commander that by having to remove his flag but others were allowed to keep theirs that he was being targeted due to him being a white male and his ancestorial history and roots. His flag was an actual battle flag handed down by family from ine family memeber who served under it. So he simply said that if he cannot have his flag all flags should be removed or his be allowed as to not discriminate against him.

Yhe Commbder called IG and Corps EO and changed it allowing him to place the flag back up.

Response by MAJ Victor Alarcon made May 2 at 2018 9:02 PM

MAJ Victor Alarcon — Wed, 02 May 2018 21:02:58 -0400

The Rebel flag should not be authorized in any US Government Facility.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 9:07 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 21:07:23 -0400

Get over it, it's a flag in his room. Give the guy a break. Although General Lee also admonished the flag as well after the war.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments-2017-8

Here's what Robert E. Lee thought about Confederate monuments

After the Civil War, Lee received several letters requesting support for the erection of Confederate memorials.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 9:28 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 21:28:38 -0400

Wtf if they aren’t required to have uniformity it’s not against any rules. We had Puerto Rican flags, Rebel flags, African flags, and state flags on walls and in Wall lockers. It was never a problem.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made May 2 at 2018 9:32 PM

CW3 Michael Clifford — Wed, 02 May 2018 21:32:10 -0400

A number of years ago (about 30), I initiated a criminal inquiry into a group of soldiers (led by an E6) belonging to a white suppremist group and all wearing death head rings. I had also received information that the group spread the normal tripe about minority soldiers. Within three days of the imitation of my inquiry, I was ordered by a senior CW4 (an African American male) within the CID to close my inquiry, citing the soldiers constitutional right of assembly, even groups which we detest. To say the least, my warrant officer associate didn’t like my attitude when I eluded that we weren’t to investigate asshats until they lynched a minority soldier. To say the least I lost the battle and had to walk away rather dejected.

Response by SFC William Garwood made May 2 at 2018 9:42 PM

SFC William Garwood — Wed, 02 May 2018 21:42:59 -0400

It is a Historical battle flag.

Response by SGT Breck Wilson made May 2 at 2018 10:12 PM

SGT Breck Wilson — Wed, 02 May 2018 22:12:54 -0400

My personal opinion is if it's not your barracks room then mind your business if it offends you then don't go there. Why have leadership stood by and allowed the Army hell military as a whole become so politically correct and soft. Especially if you look at the history of said flag/symbol along with the saying there should be nothing to be offended over.

Response by SPC Robert Aiken made May 2 at 2018 10:31 PM

SPC Robert Aiken — Wed, 02 May 2018 22:31:32 -0400

If it's his living quarters and if no one else living in that room is offended then there shouldn't be a problem. I had an American flag hanging on my barracks wall and if it offended anyone I would tell them they don't had to enter my room.

Response by TSgt F Mendez made May 2 at 2018 10:38 PM

TSgt F Mendez — Wed, 02 May 2018 22:38:50 -0400

It's the dudes room, don't get him in trouble just have a chat with him. Next time drop the hammer. I've herd of inspections that when the first Sgt walks in things giggle at them, I'll leave that to your imagination lol.

Response by TSgt Daniel Wareham made May 2 at 2018 10:41 PM

TSgt Daniel Wareham — Wed, 02 May 2018 22:41:28 -0400

If any flags are allowed in the varracks, than all flags are allowed. I've been in rooms with the Pan-African Flag on one side and the Rebel flag on the other

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 10:46 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 May 2018 22:46:20 -0400

Leave the flag alone.

Response by CW3 Stephen Mills made May 2 at 2018 11:01 PM

CW3 Stephen Mills — Wed, 02 May 2018 23:01:48 -0400

An inanimate object can only offend if you choose to let it offend. Let the soldier have his flag.

Response by LCpl David Draper made May 2 at 2018 11:19 PM

LCpl David Draper — Wed, 02 May 2018 23:19:56 -0400

Fly it below the stars and bars, just as long as there are not any swastikas.................

Response by SCPO Donald Smith made May 2 at 2018 11:41 PM

SCPO Donald Smith — Wed, 02 May 2018 23:41:20 -0400

Thank God it wasn’t a jelly donut!

Response by CPL Mike Thompson made May 2 at 2018 11:46 PM

CPL Mike Thompson — Wed, 02 May 2018 23:46:02 -0400

Seriously, if the Army is worried about flags that are part of American history, it has wandered off course and is not only intolerant but hypocritical. When I was a soldier, I had an aeronautical chart of my home state on the wall (I was a licensed pilot before I enlisted). During an inspection, the first sergeant ordered me to take it down. Chicken shit like that was a big reason I didn't reenlist.

Response by MSG Robert Marietta made May 3 at 2018 12:26 AM

MSG Robert Marietta — Thu, 03 May 2018 00:26:29 -0400

If it was my call. I wouldn’t allow any flag to be hung in the barracks or rooms. It’s not regulation so it doesn’t belong. So, I don’t understand the controversy.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 12:51 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 00:51:43 -0400

The judgement call should emphasize good discipline. Is there a discipline problem? Things to consider would be if its hung above the federal or state flag or, if the modified flag a symbol of an extremist group? Key word being modified.

Response by SSgt Mark Cofer made May 3 at 2018 1:31 AM

SSgt Mark Cofer — Thu, 03 May 2018 01:31:45 -0400

Would anyone notice if you hung up the “First” flag of the CSA - the Bonnie Blue? How about the “actual” flag of the CSA, the Stars and Bars?

Symbols only have the meaning we ascribe to them through the perspective and context. A rebel flag is a symbol of hate because we have seen it repeatedly in that context. It is not as prevalent in positive contexts. It’s prominent at cross burnings, not barn raisings. In the end though, it’s not much more than a decoration.
Nonetheless, I believe it is the Commander’s discretion.

Also, all the answers about it being the troop’s room - that is not the case. The room very much belongs to the commander, who is provided it by the next echelon commander and so forth. That is why inspections are even allowed. There really is little to no expectation of privacy or individuality in a barracks. The commander has every right to make you paint the room neon pink and install plastic furniture if they feel like it (and can get it past the next echelon, etc)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 3:43 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 03:43:18 -0400

In my opinion it’s like the swatiska . We all know that symbol has a variety of different meanings and pre dates nazi Germany. However due to WW2 the symbol took on a new meaning . I’m pretty sure if any command team saw a flag with a swatiska on it they would lose their mind. The rebel flag in my personal experience has taken on a new meaning regardless of its origin.

Response by Cpl Will Labrosse made May 3 at 2018 5:53 AM

Cpl Will Labrosse — Thu, 03 May 2018 05:53:16 -0400

I think common sense and people need to grow up after all you are serving to protect the rights of US citizens one of the rights is free speech. If the military is so thin skinned to be hurt by someone else's free speech and can't have an in formed discussion to the point of agreeing to disagree then perhaps the military has become a bunch of whining entitled babies since I got out. Perhaps those serving now should look long and hard at why they are serving and not get so butt hurt over another's opinion. Perhaps officers need to serve as e1 for a few years instead of being "educated" idiots that think their degree trumps common sense.

Response by SSG James James made May 3 at 2018 6:17 AM

SSG James James — Thu, 03 May 2018 06:17:49 -0400

The only flag that should be displayed on a Army Base is the flag of The United States of America !

Response by SFC Pete Meyer made May 3 at 2018 6:40 AM

SFC Pete Meyer — Thu, 03 May 2018 06:40:30 -0400

The military sure has become a hot bed of PC pansies .....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 7:26 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 07:26:40 -0400

When I was young in the Army I had a rebel flag in my room, my roommate had the Israeli flag ( the Star of David) and there was no issues back then. During a room inspection the commander ask my roommate if my flag offended him (it did not), but he never asked me if his flag offended me ( it didn’t) so if your going to enforce the regulation on one you need to enforce it on everyone. Just my opinion though.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made May 3 at 2018 7:29 AM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Thu, 03 May 2018 07:29:11 -0400

121 ARCOM patch is a modified Rebel flag

Response by SPC Doug Cathers made May 3 at 2018 8:21 AM

SPC Doug Cathers — Thu, 03 May 2018 08:21:53 -0400

I had a plain rebel flag in my room while stationed in Germany. During a “walk through inspection by the Sgt Magjor of our battalion he told my Top that he didn’t think my flag had any purpose hanging on my wall. My 1st Sgt told him that he had absolutely no problem with this flag, and asked the Sgt M “ if you take this flag are you going take the African, French, Mexican and so forth flags from the barracks?” The Sgt M said “good point “ and left to carry on. They both were black.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made May 3 at 2018 8:48 AM

1SG Frank Boynton — Thu, 03 May 2018 08:48:02 -0400

The Rebel flag has followed Americans in every war we’ve fought in since Vietnam. Probably more but my personal experience was Vietnam and forward. There was no racism associated with it and all colors of people fought under that flag. Putting political correctness aside, the flag was a rally cry that said here stands the rebels. Come and try to take this flag. Vietnam, Granada, Desert Shield/Storm. That battle flag flew.

Response by TSgt Olen Cannon made May 3 at 2018 9:15 AM

TSgt Olen Cannon — Thu, 03 May 2018 09:15:16 -0400

Too many whiny babies in this country these days... Now, they're in the military too.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 9:15 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 09:15:54 -0400

Some people get offended because of the US Flag now.

Response by SGT Steven Jones Sr. made May 3 at 2018 9:29 AM

SGT Steven Jones Sr. — Thu, 03 May 2018 09:29:44 -0400

As a retired army NCO I was against the rebel flag. Since there is only one flag of this nation then it should only be displayed. Yet be aware of the history of the rebel flag.

Response by Sgt Ronald Paden made May 3 at 2018 9:34 AM

Sgt Ronald Paden — Thu, 03 May 2018 09:34:25 -0400

I think the key words are “his room” this soldier is not offended by it and anyone invited that enters ‘‘his’ room that is offended just has to leave said room. As for “good order and discipline” it might be time for a class on tolerance of differing views. This was an exhibit of pride not hate
This soldier has limited privacy in his life. Their room is a place to have his/her private space, the only place in his/her life in the military that they control.
That being said, how would this story be handled if it weren’t a “not white” soldier?

Response by SrA Paul Morris made May 3 at 2018 9:59 AM

SrA Paul Morris — Thu, 03 May 2018 09:59:23 -0400

My roommate and I had two hanging in our room. Had good friends that were of all races that would hang out in our room. Nobody had any issues with it at all. This was early 90’s.

Response by Sgt George Kovach made May 3 at 2018 10:43 AM

Sgt George Kovach — Thu, 03 May 2018 10:43:19 -0400

Not really a cause for concern in my opinion. People are offended for all manner of reasons. Whatever happened to mental and spiritual strength? You see this in civilian life all over where people focus on symbols of our past to generate discontent today. Its a flag nothing more. It is not ansymbol of oppression. If so then flags from every Nation on this planet should be banned. We all carry dirty laundry. Deal with it.

Response by CSM Jeff Butler made May 3 at 2018 10:44 AM

CSM Jeff Butler — Thu, 03 May 2018 10:44:07 -0400

The answer is- your Commander decides !

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 11:04 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 11:04:52 -0400

Only a civilian, but there's a simple way to put this. The "Confederate flag" or the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, isn't a symbol of racism. It's a symbol of states' rights. Anyone who makes it a racial issue over slavery obviously hasn't taken US History in high school. Just remember Sergeant, people choose to be offended.

Response by SPC Nanette Porter made May 3 at 2018 11:57 AM

SPC Nanette Porter — Thu, 03 May 2018 11:57:45 -0400

My father would tell me that to forget our history and our haritige would mean we are doomed to repeat it. Now I am older I understand more about what he meant. We take away all this stuff from our history because it's offense we are doomed to forget about what happened before and we will end up doing it again and as SSG Woods pointed out there are a lot of dark things in this countrys past that I for one do not wish to repeat.
Now I also know that there is a lot of pride in the suthern flags and I say flags because there is more than one and I respect them all as part of this countrys history. Now each person has different haritige and comes from different places and according to our law's they can fly there flag as long as it is lower than the US flag. Now I know some people don't think any flag should be displayed but the American flag but we are a land of meny diverse people that come from everywhere and again we must not forget our history our haritige where and what we came from. So that we can keep fighting for a better tomorrow. I agree that they can display there flag below the Amarican flag but most forget to display the Amarican flag at all.
Which is said because that is where they are that is what there family faught for and died for.
At my house we display a lot of different flags but nun more proudly then the US flag. And history is a major part of my children's lives.
As for should it be in a bct setting well if pictures from home are considered conterban then yes I would say that would be as well his/her focus should be on bct and what little time he/she has left wrighing home to family and friends.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 12:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 12:30:05 -0400

The Confederates were traitors who fired upon U.S. Troops. End of story.

Response by CPT Don Kemp made May 3 at 2018 12:32 PM

CPT Don Kemp — Thu, 03 May 2018 12:32:11 -0400

As long as there was no inappropriate behavior from the flag owner, I wouldn't do a darn thing.

Response by SFC Bob Lilley made May 3 at 2018 12:39 PM

SFC Bob Lilley — Thu, 03 May 2018 12:39:03 -0400

Seems as if the glag is in the SGTs room hanging on the wall its the same as any poster or painting. His room to decorate as he wishes.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 12:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 12:47:44 -0400

During a bout of snow and strong winds I moved my motorcycle to my bks room. The poow didn’t have a problem with. There was about 7-10 riders that did this in whidbey. Luckily we were not room inspected.

Response by A1C Lexas Granger made May 3 at 2018 12:49 PM

A1C Lexas Granger — Thu, 03 May 2018 12:49:21 -0400

As much as we have freedom. The only flags that anyone should have in the military is an American flag, and your branch’s flag. I also think if you’re into other organizations and beliefs, then leave it at home away from the Barracks.

Response by SGT Bill Stewart made May 3 at 2018 1:04 PM

SGT Bill Stewart — Thu, 03 May 2018 13:04:04 -0400

I think today's army needs to get the sand out the vag and carry on as in the old army initially was in. This truly sickens me this is even a factor of buisness

Response by SPC Justin Niles made May 3 at 2018 1:30 PM

SPC Justin Niles — Thu, 03 May 2018 13:30:09 -0400

As a Confederate reenactor and as a former infantryman I can ask this was the battle flag displayed in a window? Was said soldier making racist comments? I agree that the line has to be drawn in that same breath have it drawn with nazi flags. And let's not forget the flag prior to the Confederate flag that was full of slavery and violence was the American flag.

Response by SGT Mark McDonald made May 3 at 2018 2:24 PM

SGT Mark McDonald — Thu, 03 May 2018 14:24:09 -0400

Just a matter of southern pride. No harmful intentions.

Response by Cpl Douglas Hamilton made May 3 at 2018 2:57 PM

Cpl Douglas Hamilton — Thu, 03 May 2018 14:57:28 -0400

I say as long as no complaints are fielded from any member of the unit, I say let it be until such time

Response by SgtMaj Anthony Goss made May 3 at 2018 3:15 PM

SgtMaj Anthony Goss — Thu, 03 May 2018 15:15:20 -0400

Simple, tell them to take it down. My policy for our battalion, the ONLY flags the wi be displayed were the American flag, Marine Corps flag and the POW flag and it wasn't open for debate!

Response by 1LT Dale Burch made May 3 at 2018 3:38 PM

1LT Dale Burch — Thu, 03 May 2018 15:38:08 -0400

Political correctness has gone so wrong that you have no choice but to address it....
The bully political culture that seems to only go one way has become so pervasive...
No middle road...
No common ground...
When I was younger, a black teenager and a white teenager could have a beer together sitting on a tailgate of a pickup truck with a rebel flag and a rifle in the back window...
Our confederate fore fathers are being written out of history...
Their monuments torn down and graves desecrated for being loyal to The South.
Loyalty to The South did not mean loyalty to slavery then and it still doesn't....

Response by HN Kurt Hines made May 3 at 2018 3:45 PM

HN Kurt Hines — Thu, 03 May 2018 15:45:35 -0400

I had 4 great grandfathers who fought for the Confederacy. Three of them died for it. I was born a Yankee but I have no problem withsomeone who is proud of where they come from. The Stars and Bars are not the equivilant of thr Nazi Battle Flag. Anyone whose says it is is ignorant, lying and probably both.

Response by SrA Michael Burdick made May 3 at 2018 3:56 PM

SrA Michael Burdick — Thu, 03 May 2018 15:56:14 -0400

At this moment in time the “stars and bars” has become a disputed symbol of either southern pride or racial persecution”. Erring on the side of caution to prevent animosity within the ranks, I would suggest that the flag be taken down and stowed if it is a point of contention.

Unity is a cornerstone of any military unit. Anything that disrupts that unity has no place. Some would say that having it taken down causes strife. I say this, if you are actively doing something offensive to others vs taking offense at something someone does, the person performing the offensive action is the one who should be considerate and stop.

Response by Cpl Charles Fournier made May 3 at 2018 4:02 PM

Cpl Charles Fournier — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:02:10 -0400

It is his personal space and he should be able to have what he or she wants......

Response by SGT David Wyatt made May 3 at 2018 4:13 PM

SGT David Wyatt — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:13:21 -0400

when you say and the term is abhorrent rebel flag do you mean the battle flag of tennesse or perhaps the one from the army of northern virginia or do you reference one of the national emblems of the confederacy? i ask because we in the old confederacy have allowed hate groups to lay claim to the first two and i doubt 10% of the population could identify any of the last group. if nobody is bitching thne wtf does the army not give you enough fuck all else to worry about? hell i had a framed picture of jeff davis on a barracks wall in 4 duty stations over 10 plus years nobody said boo. one cdr liked my picture of lincoln (murderer that hes was) the 1sg with him from georgia just said yes sir it us a fine picture looked over an grinned. even had ole jeff sit in my place at a dinning in while i had duty. and let us not forget all confederate veterans are u s veterans by act of congress. essayons

Response by PO1 Bud Hall made May 3 at 2018 4:19 PM

PO1 Bud Hall — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:19:04 -0400

Just a note to clarify...the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is now copy righted by one of the organizations of decendants of veterans of the CSA soldiers & sailors(I've forgotten which one). This flag is also often eroniously referred to as the "Confederate Flag"(whatever that is/was?). It is not the "Stars And Bars". The "Stars And Bars" was actually the first of the three national ensigns of the CSA. And, this battle flag actually morphed through several variations in use durring the course of the war, as other units adopted it and as more states joined the CSA.

Response by SGT David Nicholas made May 3 at 2018 4:34 PM

SGT David Nicholas — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:34:17 -0400

Well since this was originally a military flag and that soldier does not condone or act in a racist fashion, he or she should be allowed to have it and display it accordingly as long as the CO doesn't object

Response by MSgt Jim Colyer made May 3 at 2018 5:17 PM

MSgt Jim Colyer — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:17:46 -0400

Simple answer. If something in a person's room offends you, you have a choice to go in that room or not.

Response by SSG Donald Hammond SR. made May 3 at 2018 5:31 PM

SSG Donald Hammond SR. — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:31:49 -0400

I use to have one hanging in the window of my room when I was a private and no one told me to take it sown

Response by SGT Dale Burke made May 3 at 2018 5:45 PM

SGT Dale Burke — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:45:57 -0400

My opinion: If its in his/her personal area, and not creating dischord with others, there's no justification for requiring its removal.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 5:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:50:36 -0400

Let’s not forget the atrocious things that happened in every country by every race,color, and creed. I’ve seen flags from numerous countries other than my own, I despise seeing any of them hanging in my country, but if you pull one down, you have to get them all. But , to answer the question, I need to research that

Response by SMSgt Glen Swain made May 3 at 2018 5:55 PM

SMSgt Glen Swain — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:55:08 -0400

It is history will they rewrite it

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 5:59 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:59:57 -0400

Had an NCO not even in my company tell me I needed to take my confederate battle flag down... I said I would as soon as a soldier down the hall removed his Malcolm X banner... Malcolm had advocated for the overthrow of the United States... Big Sarge (not) in charge and the misguided captain with him decided to beat feet after our 1SG got wind that somebody other than him and his CDR were looking around 1SG's floor of the barracks... never heard anything else about it

Response by PO2 Raven Attwood made May 3 at 2018 6:16 PM

PO2 Raven Attwood — Thu, 03 May 2018 18:16:06 -0400

I think you should ask up the chain for clear policy guidance.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made May 3 at 2018 7:13 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:13:13 -0400

Had a Arizona flag in my room. Always asked what it was

Response by SGT Aric Lier made May 3 at 2018 7:15 PM

SGT Aric Lier — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:15:59 -0400

learn your state flags..... there are modified, but most likely a state battle flag.... no its Not racist. just stop with that bull shit

Response by PO1 Ilene DeChurch made May 3 at 2018 7:32 PM

PO1 Ilene DeChurch — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:32:45 -0400

No problem with it!!! He/She's fighting for their right to say so!!! Heritage, Not Hate!!!

Response by Cpl Joe Driscoll made May 3 at 2018 7:40 PM

Cpl Joe Driscoll — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:40:20 -0400

People need to get there head out of their ass, that is an American flag and represents HISTORY even if the socialist democrats are trying to rewrite this era.... Leave it alone and educate

Response by PO1 Anthony Fuller made May 3 at 2018 7:54 PM

PO1 Anthony Fuller — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:54:25 -0400

That is a handgernade I would not jump on! I have a good historical knowledge about the "Stars and Bars", and it has formed a negative opinion of it.

B-U-T, I also have a cultural understanding of it and say while it has been used and abused by some Allot of folks cling to it for heritage. And I am not going to get any traction explaining "Reconstruction" and the events that brought it to the forefront of a issue to a Kid that grew up with it at every event he went to growing up in the south. It while has a FUBAR history has become a symbol of southern life.

So we unF' our history taught in schools and explain it without attacking it it can fade away. If we have people continuing to demonize it it will be clung to. Nothing makes a man fight harder than if he thinks you are disrespecting what he identifies as himself. God knows I would fight like a cornered bobcat if someone challenged my heritage....

Response by LTC Richard Peppe made May 3 at 2018 7:56 PM

LTC Richard Peppe — Thu, 03 May 2018 19:56:35 -0400

Interesting. If this article was in an old style barracks it would probably be taken down. If in a private two person suite well that could be an infringement if the commander takes it down. Also you say it was a modified flag. What was modified. Was it the confederate battle flag or the confederate flag. There is a difference.

Response by SGM Danny Seaman made May 3 at 2018 8:24 PM

SGM Danny Seaman — Thu, 03 May 2018 20:24:52 -0400

It boils down to this. Does it offend anyone, and what does it mean or stand for in the eyes and beleifs of the soldier displaying it.
It can and us the Commanders decision.
However, making the soldier take a guidon down that was flown by the CSA can get your wings clipped. Your now associating or labeling a soldier to a belief or misunderstood association of what the guidon originally meant versus what some associate it with such as slavery. The ingnorace occurs on both sides.
Best thing to do is ask them to take it down and hope that they will.
Case and point, this occurred several years ago at FBNC and a determined CSM made a soldier take his flag down. The CSM was relieved for violating EO, and the Battalions Nazi flag brought back from WWII outside the commanders office was taken down.

Response by SSG Paul Newman made May 3 at 2018 8:27 PM

SSG Paul Newman — Thu, 03 May 2018 20:27:17 -0400

Leaving the racial connotations out, the Confeederacy, was an enemy of the U.S.Army. Traitors responsible for the deaths of over half a million Americans. Has no place on a U. S. Installation except a museum. Same as flags with swastikas, rising sun, NVA, or hammer and sickle.

Response by SSG Kyle Stromgren made May 3 at 2018 8:50 PM

SSG Kyle Stromgren — Thu, 03 May 2018 20:50:11 -0400

I had black roommate who accurately liked the confederate battle flag and had pinned it to the wall. Well the overreacting 1st Sgt had called me and my Ncoic in and threatened me with an AR-15 for having it on the wall. He didn't want to believe me when I told him it was my roommates till he called him in, then he was just baffeled when my roommate said it was his went to his locker and opened the door just to show it was on his side of the room. Hell I had a Hawaii state flag on my side of the room.

Response by Cpl Sean Farquharson made May 3 at 2018 9:21 PM

Cpl Sean Farquharson — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:21:29 -0400

Is the soldier in question a problem? Has anyone complained of racist remarks or heard same soldier use racist slurs? Odds are if none of these things are an issue.....then its not a racist thing, and the officers/senior enlisted in question are looking to make a bullet point on their evaluations at the expense of their lower enlisted- which I call a Slimy Creature issue.

To be fair, I had both the Scottish National Standard (white and blue- "Saint Andrew's Cross") and the Scottish Battle Standard (Red lion rampant on a gold background) in my room. It was a heritage thing (I trace my heritage back to Jacobite Highlanders) and it only became an issue once when we were looking at a possible exchange with the British Royal Marines.

Response by SFC Barry Brooks made May 3 at 2018 9:37 PM

SFC Barry Brooks — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:37:48 -0400

What a big deal. Let soldier have their freedom of speech. As long his respect his leaders and the military, I don’t see no problem. SFC ( Ret) the Army see green.

Response by Sgt Art Ferris made May 3 at 2018 9:47 PM

Sgt Art Ferris — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:47:03 -0400

Red, white and blue don't bleed. Hope there isnt any snowflakes in the barracks.

Response by CPL Robert Clifton made May 3 at 2018 9:48 PM

CPL Robert Clifton — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:48:27 -0400

Tough one
I myself have never been offended by a rebel flag. I’m also a white male so my opinion shouldn’t matter right. Wrong
As you go through life you will see offensive things and you to will have to learn how to deal with or ignore offensive things if you start taking down peoples private things inside their own room because someone is offended you have to put up with a constant list of grievances from offended assholes let’s face it I’m offended by just being forced to listen to rap musuck with way offensive lyrics and the constant use of the word nigger offensive offensive offensive

Better to teach them to filter out the negative shit look for what’s good even in a racist pig white male

Response by Sgt Art Ferris made May 3 at 2018 9:49 PM

Sgt Art Ferris — Thu, 03 May 2018 21:49:23 -0400

I hope there aren't any snowflakes living in the barracks. We should not forget or shove history under the rug

Response by CW4 Steven Bowyer made May 3 at 2018 10:03 PM

CW4 Steven Bowyer — Thu, 03 May 2018 22:03:52 -0400

Americans fought and died under two flags in our Civil War. I had great x 3 Uncles that fought on both sides. Neither were slave owners. Their grandfather was a Revolutionary War Vet. A completely American family. I fly both flags to honor these men.

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made May 3 at 2018 10:13 PM

SGT Joseph Miller — Thu, 03 May 2018 22:13:01 -0400

This is the problem with the USA today where people want to ban things because it might offend others. Yes this commander could outlaw the Confederate flag as it's his barracks but he also opens himself ,the unit and the army to a first ammendment violation as the Confederate flag is not illegal to own or fly and there are organizations out there that just love to file suits against the military for religious or constitutional abuses and it's not worth the headache that would probably wind up in the supreme court one day and have them say that the command had no right to order its removal. Now the commander could probably get around this by banning all flags, pictures ,posters or any other decoration to be hung on barracks walls and that would solve it but it would also punish every other soldier staying in the barracks.

Response by SPC Erik Thompson made May 3 at 2018 10:53 PM

SPC Erik Thompson — Thu, 03 May 2018 22:53:16 -0400

The war was always about slavery. Every secession document mentioned it and it was the primary concern in the majority of the documents. The South was allowed to revise history, to say it was about states rights, a term almost never heard prior to the war, and a state's right to what? Allow ownership of human beings as Chattle. The war of "Northern Aggression" is again a revisionist history. The South fired upon the Union first at The Citadel and then again at Fort Sumter. The flags are treasonous. The represent former Americans at war with their nation. They are shameful. Just recently, in Charlottesville, the BFNV was flown in a March RIGHT NEXT TO Nazi flags. Read the Cornerstone speech and discover, perhaps for the first time what our traitorous ancestors really stood for.

Response by CPL John Goodman made May 3 at 2018 10:54 PM

CPL John Goodman — Thu, 03 May 2018 22:54:49 -0400

You know the way it is in and by today's standards you can't shake a stick without someone getting offended in my opinion if the item is not showing anything graphic or showing any lude or derogatory slang or phrases let it fly , but that's just my opinion.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2018 11:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 May 2018 23:24:27 -0400

As long as the soldier behaves properly, does not make a scene, does not drive a decisive agenda, and hasn’t had any complaints from his room mate or neighboring soldiers..I’d let it go.

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made May 4 at 2018 12:31 AM

Cpl Gabriel F. — Fri, 04 May 2018 00:31:06 -0400

The political correct are always in search for new world order causes. For a long time now hey have decided to demonize one of the Confederate Battle Flags at any cost. History tells us the flag of Saint Andrew inspired The Confederate Battle Flag. Some of this political correct crowd will follow the leader right off the cliff on he issue of the flag. Take for example the field grade officers of the new Marine Corps. A volunteer with a tattoo of a Confederate Battle Flag has to request a waiver and explain the tattoo. If that is done the volunteer will be turned down anyway. The military is counting on the volunteer not doing anything.

Now if you are Southern, proud of it and know your history there is something wrong with you. You must be a racist. You will wear that label. Well driving fast and race like hell at every opportunity plus racing from point A to point B is my forte. Showing one of the early battle flags in any form is a automatic you are not in line with the new world order politically correct beautiful people. All must be in line with the new world order politically correct people. Everyone that is anyone must believe the same.
Racism is a belief in the superiority of one's own race. Not just a Caucasian problem citizens. The Imperial Japan elite taught Japan should rule the world due to their race superiority. We all know the political movement that allowed the then new world order to take over the German government. In 1938 they confiscated all firearms from citizens of Germany. Made everyone safer and no fighting back. The new world order will tell all what to believe and when you should believe it. Showing one of the early battle flags in any form is a automatic you are not in line with the new world order politically correct people that know what is best for you. Again, all must be in line with he new world order.

Consider the thinking of the past 158 year ago. Not the movie versions. Not the rewrite history version of that changed to suit today's thinking elite. The time when states would hang you for being a horse thieve, cattle thieve, rapist, murder. How did citizens think and live a century and a half ago. Death was common the slightest infection could kill yet folks wanted to live. Think about how the armies fought with old European military tactics with improved weaponry of 158 years ago. Honor kept you on the field lined up in formation. Confederate soldiers often went into battle with only two or three rounds then charged with bayonets. Now can you truly believe that 700,000 Americans died on both sides to free the slaves or to keep the slaves. Slavery was wrong we all got that. The laws of the United States of America governed over the slave states 158 years ago. Slavery did not end in the world after the War Between the States. The issue was the Confederate States of America would be their own country for a number of reasons and the United States of America would not allow this for a number of reasons. The battle flag represented order and pride in battle. Units supplied there own.

Former Confederate States were under marshal law until 1875. Any man that served in the Confederate Army was suspect and could be denied his rights even if he took he oath of allegiance. The federal government officials selected appointees from former slaves that could be controlled for political office. Laws that suited and profited some passed. Judges were appointed to hear cases against citizens and sheriff's appointed to enforce the laws. Property was stolen as records were controlled by federal officials. Taxes were levied without due process. Arrests and convictions made without due process. Any woman that showed any so called disrespect towards a federal official or soldier of the union would be treated as a common street walker. (Prostitute) No Confederate flags allowed, no rebel songs allowed, no gathering of former Confederate soldiers allowed. In all of this there was still unity of the southern citizen. Later as marshal law was eased then ended there was still the terrible pain of ruin with loss of life. Worst of all was the fact that tens of thousands fallen Confederate soldiers were unaccounted for. Soldiers that left to fight for their country never to return. Their families not knowing where or how they died. Many died in prisoner of war camps buried in mass graves. The union possessed the ways and means to give medical care and feed the captured soldiers. But then they were just rebels after all. Doctors boasted of how many died. Their contribution to the war effort.

Mostly it was the Southern Women that started groups to raise funds to build monuments to honor all the Confederate dead in all the unknown places they died. Then there was that Confederate Battle Flag. Something that could remind them of the sacrifice made by these soldiers and the citizens of the Confederate States of America at memorials and cemeteries. The soldiers had lived, fought and died together with a Confederate Battle Flag. The U.S. Congress once passed a law regarding all Confederate soldiers to be considered Veterans of the country.

Confederate soldiers are officially considered American veterans and have the same protections as Union soldiers because of an act of Congress called Public Law 810 and other federal laws.

Response by LCpl Christopher Pickett made May 4 at 2018 1:34 AM

LCpl Christopher Pickett — Fri, 04 May 2018 01:34:21 -0400

I am familiar with dozens of African-American's who have some type of Confederate flag either at home, or in their vehicle, or wherever they want. Unless the soldier behaves in a racist manner while having the "rebel flag", leave it be. Most people that I know, and I am in Arizona, have pretty much no negative opinion of the "Rebel Flag". It is only those whiners who desire all the attention, or complain about everything being against them, or those who see racism in every aspect, that seem to have an issue with the flag. To punish a soldier for having the flag in his barracks locker and has no behavior issues, would severely damage morale, in a time where morale is already very low, but what do I know, been out of the military for 15 years this July.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 3:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 03:12:01 -0400

To answer your question, the commander is the one who will determine if the flag does not bring good order and discipline. If the Soldier who has a roommate that has stated they feel uncomfortable it is the commander who will bring it up to legal and then legal will advise the commander whether it is okay for them to order the take down of the flag.

Response by SGT Thomas Wilt made May 4 at 2018 3:22 AM

SGT Thomas Wilt — Fri, 04 May 2018 03:22:49 -0400

I had one (confederate flag) hanging in my room my commander had no problem with it , I was at ft Bragg

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 3:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 03:35:54 -0400

That flag has more negative history behind it than anything especially as a minority. I’m not so sensitive to it that I believe it should be completely obliterated. But some have to understand what else that flag has been used for. As a solider you should be mentally tough and not get ass hurt about a flag. But also understand that some of your fellow warriors may look at you differently knowing you support that flag.

Response by GySgt Jerald Miller made May 4 at 2018 7:24 AM

GySgt Jerald Miller — Fri, 04 May 2018 07:24:34 -0400

That flag was used by and is still used as sign of hate against people of color by KKK. Black people has suffered from. That flag is offensive to people of color, as the swastika flag is to Jewish people

Response by GySgt Jerald Miller made May 4 at 2018 7:31 AM

GySgt Jerald Miller — Fri, 04 May 2018 07:31:51 -0400

That flag at one time did represents southern heritage but racist use it as symbol of hate as the KKK, Aryan Nation, and other white supremacist groups.

Response by SPC David Houser made May 4 at 2018 8:14 AM

SPC David Houser — Fri, 04 May 2018 08:14:40 -0400

McCain can pose for a picture with ISIS holding weapons wearing a Syria flag lapel pin but "your" soldier can't have a United States Confederate flag? Something wrong

Response by SSG Matthew McClain made May 4 at 2018 8:21 AM

SSG Matthew McClain — Fri, 04 May 2018 08:21:26 -0400

Leave it alone. If it's in his private quarters and he's not making a big deal of it or going to extreme levels of flashing it around and acting a fool with it. Then there is zero issue here. If the CO wants it gone then that's a different story. Till then let him express who he is in the privacy of his own quarters.

Response by Sgt Lee Humiston made May 4 at 2018 9:13 AM

Sgt Lee Humiston — Fri, 04 May 2018 09:13:28 -0400

Keep out of peoples personal lives... The Confederates were accepted by Congress as Veteran’s years ago... Give it a rest...

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 9:24 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 09:24:51 -0400

The rebel flag , or some people call it the Confederate flag, isnt the Confederate flag , it's a battle flag , in fort Lee where I did my ait, they sold these small rebel flags, the one that you should be offended by looks like a white flag with the battle flag on the top left corner with a red strip on the right to show it's not a surrender flag .

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made May 4 at 2018 9:30 AM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Fri, 04 May 2018 09:30:18 -0400

“Not White” doesn’t mean they aren’t part of the Heritage. If you read history, western Confederate units had free Black soldiers and they weren’t segregated like the union. Also, the Cherokee and Chawkta nation’s aligned with the confederacy

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 10:11 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 10:11:21 -0400

It's hispersonal space and the Condederate (not rebel) flag reminds us of our history. It sounds to me like you want to get this gut in trouble over seemingly nothing. I dint gave one nor would I get ine, but as long as ges not hurting or planning to hurt anyonr, wtf is the problem with it?

Response by SGT George Thomas Gagnon made May 4 at 2018 10:48 AM

SGT George Thomas Gagnon — Fri, 04 May 2018 10:48:22 -0400

No issues. Heritage and pride

Response by Cpl James Campbell made May 4 at 2018 10:52 AM

Cpl James Campbell — Fri, 04 May 2018 10:52:21 -0400

While this is obsurd. If its in this persons room leave him be. You try an play devils abvocate and claim better welfare for eveeyone while tearing down individuals. You loose everything.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made May 4 at 2018 10:56 AM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Fri, 04 May 2018 10:56:44 -0400

As a Mulatto I often struggle with history in regards to the "Civil War." At some point and time one of my great grandfathers may have owned my other great grandfather. WTF? Americas history, though sometimes rather dark and dismal is what it is. I applaud the south for its pride and heritage ;however, we were a Nation dived on the premise of one race being superior to another. The "Rebel flag" represents a time in American history which we should never forget, but which should not be relived or celebrated. When my son who is in the Army deployed to Afghanistan he left from Ft Little Rock AR. We were flown in via military charter to say our good-byes. We got in late and were on our way to a "Waffle-house" across the street. Outside of the hotel was the Arkansas state flag with remnants of the "rebel flag." At first I was in shock/fear, thinking what the hell am I doing here? Then I remembered, I served and fought for that flag, and now my son is going to as well. We serve for "FREEDOM(S) and a old flag from a time gone bye is just an expression of freedom of speech. Yea you may not agree with it but it is a right you signed up to defend for EVERYONE.
SUCKS DON"T IT!

Response by Mike .Cheshire made May 4 at 2018 11:38 AM

Mike .Cheshire — Fri, 04 May 2018 11:38:20 -0400

Not serving, nor have ever served. I have much respect for all branches, and first responders, but I feel the leadership fails when they tell firemen they can't have an American Flag on their trucks, and tell soldiers, sailors, etc that can't hang a flag in their own space. If the marine, or whoever is being inappropriate, or hateful, something not becoming, take appropriate action. If it is something that no one in that barracks is offended by, leave it be.
God Bless all Our Forces.

Response by Sgt Daniel J. Daly made May 4 at 2018 1:13 PM

Sgt Daniel J. Daly — Fri, 04 May 2018 13:13:05 -0400

Seems to me that a solder should have any flag he or she wishes as long it’s in the prvicy of his area. Now I know the barracks are rooms. So I think it could be displayed there.Also if the room is shared than the others would have to be ok with it. Myself it wouldn’t bother me what ever they had.

Response by CDR Charlie Patterson made May 4 at 2018 1:16 PM

CDR Charlie Patterson — Fri, 04 May 2018 13:16:33 -0400

Some very good points made here. Most subjects cannot be dealt with in terms of right and wrong, there almost always being those areas in the middle. Sadly, race seems to be a black or white issue (pun intended) with little gray area. Therefore, in order to maintain good order and discipline, along with unit cohesion and therefore effectiveness, I believe the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia, along with the Confederate States of America flag, Japanese, etc etc should not be allowed in barracks areas. I would go a step further - I know a lot of people disagree with this- and say that if such an illustration is tattooed on your body you either have to have it removed, tattooed over, or you’re discharged from the service. Keep in mind that serving in our armed forces is not a right but a privilege, and that the purpose of the military is to kill the enemies of our nation and blow up their stuff. Being able to do that to the absolute best of our ability is the goal, and ensuring that we do is the responsibility of our leaders. I’m a southerner with a fierce pride in our southern heritage. But there are other ways to laud the virtues of the “southern way” than to display the flag of an army which engaged in armed insurrection against the United States.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made May 4 at 2018 2:07 PM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Fri, 04 May 2018 14:07:59 -0400

Response by SFC John Mckague made May 4 at 2018 2:32 PM

SFC John Mckague — Fri, 04 May 2018 14:32:42 -0400

I love the history of the Civil War. If for an inspection it should have been taken down If it was just a walk through for cleanliness leave it along. Does that upset his bunk mates if so it should be taken down. I was in Vietnam and a guy from Arkansas had the state flag over his cot it was not a problem. We all like it since it was not OD and it gave him a feeling of home

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 2:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 14:49:43 -0400

Was the Confederacy about “states rights” or was it about slavery? Why are we even debating this? Several states published their Declaration of Causes. Why don’t we just read what they say there reasons are?

Here is an excerpt:

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.”

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 3:17 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 15:17:08 -0400

Did anyone complain before, did it make a difference in this soldiers performance, is it derogatory in any fashion, if the answers are no. Then who cares.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made May 4 at 2018 3:25 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Fri, 04 May 2018 15:25:47 -0400

The Commander is the only legal authority to determine what is and is not allowed in the Barracks, usually through his CSM and policy letters - bottom line - if there isn't a policy letter regarding it - then he gets to keep it.

Response by TSgt James Hadley made May 4 at 2018 3:33 PM

TSgt James Hadley — Fri, 04 May 2018 15:33:33 -0400

Wow, let’s see if I have a Christian Flag in my room it may offend some but would it be wrong. I maybe offended if there was a rainbow flag in someone’s room but in this day and age nothing that I could say would mean anything. Yes, some rights are “suspended” in the military but in this case nothing racial is mean’t, the service member is not under suspicion for any other wrong doing right? Let them hang the flag.... if it was an ISIS flag then that would be a different story.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 3:59 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 15:59:46 -0400

If the Soldier was from Mississippi and displaying his state flag, would you be asking this question?

Response by SFC John Ring made May 4 at 2018 4:22 PM

SFC John Ring — Fri, 04 May 2018 16:22:48 -0400

Keep the flag up

Response by MSgt John Cusolito6 made May 4 at 2018 5:11 PM

MSgt John Cusolito6 — Fri, 04 May 2018 17:11:55 -0400

Is it in bad taste. No. Does it offend someone? Who cares, it's his room. Is it vulgar? No. 'nuff said

Response by SGT Michael Boston made May 4 at 2018 5:18 PM

SGT Michael Boston — Fri, 04 May 2018 17:18:10 -0400

Its obvious not a problem to those in the room or that floor of the barracks. I just know during my time things was allowed but come inspection those things had to be taken down all rooms were uniformed. But in the context of this articule, I don't see a problem at all.

Response by SGT John Meredith made May 4 at 2018 5:20 PM

SGT John Meredith — Fri, 04 May 2018 17:20:29 -0400

Have you ever heard of the atrocities that the Japanese were committing before we were bombed at Pearl Harbor? At that time and date who's to say you wouldn't have been in favor of it then. These camps were not concentration camps. They were not torture or forced labor camps. And a many of Japanese were able to work outside the camps. The Japanese were beheading people, mass killings, severely tortured and even used for cruel chemical experiments. The Japanese were as bad as the Nazis.Am I saying internment camps was right? Maybe at that time. This has zero to do with the Confederate flag. The Confederate flag and the Civil War are a part of our history that nearly destroyed us as a nation. It tore families apart. It's apart of our country's history that last far far beyond the end of the war.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made May 4 at 2018 6:38 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 04 May 2018 18:38:01 -0400

This is a very simple answer since there where a big issue back in the 80 & 90 with this flag the Army restricts it. Today the problem we have is to many show flacks therefore they will cry. This flag can’t be compared with other as the PR flag when this island had fought in every war there is a big difference. The flag has being misrepresented due to some individual therefore is n’t authorized.

Response by SSG Aaron Springer made May 4 at 2018 7:02 PM

SSG Aaron Springer — Fri, 04 May 2018 19:02:00 -0400

You know what, it is his room and since most rooms are single rooms any more leave it be. I hated when the army started this trip about what you can or can't hang on your walls. In to the theory it's government property in the army you have to live in barracks till you are married or e7 unless they got 90% occupancy. I knew people who were in there for 10 years. Barracks suck. It's his space. Unless it is in a common area leave it alone

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2018 7:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 May 2018 19:39:58 -0400

The fact still remains, it's the commander's company, what are his (her) written policies? Don't like it? Take your offended ass to JAG and they'll help you read the policies. Still not happy? Should have joined the Boy Scouts

Response by SPC Scott Hobbs made May 4 at 2018 7:45 PM

SPC Scott Hobbs — Fri, 04 May 2018 19:45:23 -0400

When did all this change? In my days, you couldn’t display ANYTHING on barracks walls. If you wanted pictures of loved ones, they had to be in your wall locker. Perhaps permissiveness has given birth to a whole new set of problems? Just a thought.

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made May 4 at 2018 8:19 PM

Cpl Gabriel F. — Fri, 04 May 2018 20:19:25 -0400

The political correct are always in search for new world order causes. For a long time now they have decided to demonize one of the Confederate Battle Flags at any cost by any means. History tells us the Flag of Saint Andrew inspired The Confederate Battle Flag. Some of this political correct crowd will follow the leader right off the cliff on he issue of a flag. The latest target of the politically correct new world order is the POW/ MIA Flag they state is a racist flag. This will be more difficult
because it is not 158 year's old.
Field grade officers of the new Marine Corps made some politically correct decisions on tattoos. A volunteer with a tattoo of a Confederate Battle Flag has to request a waiver for the tattoo in order to be processed for enlistment. The volunteer will be turned down of course. The military is counting on the volunteer not doing anything.

Now if you are Southern, proud of it and know your history there is must be something wrong with you according to the politically correct new world order. The politically correct have decided you must be a racist and offensive. You will wear that label because the politically correct know what is best for all. Well for me driving fast and race like hell at every opportunity plus racing from point A to point B is my forte. Showing one of the early battle flags in any form is a automatic sentence you are not in line with the new world order politically correct beautiful people. All must be in line with the new world order politically correct people. Everyone that is anyone must believe the same. Flag bad, flag offensive no exceptions.

Racism is a belief in the superiority of one's own race. This is a definition and not just a one race problem citizens. The Imperial Japanese elite taught Japan's people should rule the world due to their race superiority. Then Imperial Japan attacked the United States.
Then there is the political movement of the Nazi that took over the German government. By 1938 they had confiscated all firearms from citizens of Germany. Made everyone in the new government safer with no fighting back by citizens. Then proceeding with the murdering of Jews with lots of other people all the while killing their own German soldiers for lack of a functioning brain. Then the United States had to go to war.

The new world order will tell all what to believe and when you should believe it. Showing one of the early Confederate Battle Flags in any form is a automatic you are not in line with the new world order politically correct people that know what is best for everyone. Plus you are offensive. Again, all must be in line with he new world order and politically correct.

Consider the thinking of the citizens 158 year's ago. Not the movie versions. Not the rewrite of history changed to suit the corrected version. Think of a time when states would hang you for being a horse thieve, cattle thieve, rapist, murder and assorted other violations. One trial and you are executed or in prison. No welfare, no federal government programs, no social security or medicaid. Very limited news or communication beyond your community. Just family and maybe a church were your support system in bad times. When that failed just you.
How did citizens think and live a century and a half ago about the world around them. Few ever traveled 50 miles from the place of birth. Death was common in child birth. The slightest infection could kill yet folks wanted to live.

Now consider how the two armies of America that fought against each other with 200 year old European so called honorable military tactics in the beginning of the War Between the States. With the improved weaponry of 158 years ago this was a blood bath. Causalities were beyond anything seen. Honor kept you on the field lined up in formation. Confederate soldiers often went into battle with only two or three rounds. Knowing they would be out of ammunition next came the planned bayonet charge. Insanity now but this was 158 years ago.
There were citizens of the North that fought for The Confederate Army and Southern citizens that fought for the Union Army. Truly the War Between the States divided families, divided states as well as the country.
People of color known as POC on the senses role, Freemen and former slaves fought for The Confederate States. Another fact of history being denied. The documented fact is the Confederacy paid all soldiers at the same rate. The Union Army paid their "colored troops" at a lower rate.

The majority of soldiers and citizens did not own a slave. To believe nearly 700,000 Americans on both sides died with many more maimed for life from April 1861 to May 1865 to free the slaves or to keep the slaves is simply not true. Slavery was wrong we all got that now. The laws of the United States of America governed over the slave laws in place 158 years ago. Slavery did not cause the formation of The Confederate States. Slavery was not the cause of the war. Slavery did not end in the world after the War Between the States. The Confederate States of America would be their own country for a number of reasons. The United States of America would not allow this to happen for a number of reasons. The Confederate Battle Flag represented order and pride going into battle. Not slavery. Units supplied there own battle flag.

Former Confederate States of America were under marshal law until 1875. With the everything in ruins during this "Reconstruction" period any man that served or any citizens that sympathized with the Confederate Army was suspect and could be denied rights and due process even after taking the oath of allegiance. The federal government officials selected appointees from former slaves for political office. The appointees could be directed as needed in passing laws that suited and profited federal officials. During this "Reconstruction" property was stolen as records were controlled by federal officials. Taxes were levied without due process. Arrests and convictions made without due process. Military martial law order stated any woman that showed any disrespect towards a federal official or soldier of the union would be treated as a common street walker. (Prostitute) No Confederate flags were allowed, no rebel songs allowed, no gathering of former Confederate soldiers allowed.

In all of this there was still unity. Later as marshal law was eased then ended there was still the terrible pain of ruin with a massive loss of life. Worst of all was the fact that tens of thousands fallen Confederate soldiers were unaccounted for. Soldiers that left to fight for their country never to return. Their families not knowing where or how they died. Many died in prisoner of war camps buried in mass graves. The union possessed the ways and means to give medical care and feed the captured soldiers. But then they were just rebels after all. There are accounts of Union Army doctors boasting how many died under their care. Their contribution to the war effort.

Mostly it was the Southern Women that started groups and banded together to raise funds to build monuments in honor of all the Confederate dead. Soldiers that did not return home from all the unknown places. Dying without a proper burial and no place for the family to gather and grieve.

Then there was that Confederate Battle Flag. The flag would remind them of the sacrifice made by these soldiers and the citizens of the Confederate States of America at memorials and cemeteries. The soldiers had lived, fought and died together with a Confederate Battle Flag.

The U.S. Congress once passed a law regarding all Confederate soldiers to be considered Veterans of the country.

Confederate soldiers are officially considered American veterans and have the same protections as Union soldiers because of an act of Congress called Public Law 810 and other federal laws.

Response by SSG Mike Prewitt made May 4 at 2018 9:03 PM

SSG Mike Prewitt — Fri, 04 May 2018 21:03:22 -0400

I personally don't have a problem with the Rebel Flag, but in an effort to maintain unity, cohesion and neutrality within the platoon, I would have requested it not be displayed. Remember, we are soldiers of one nation under God. We defend the constitutional rights of all people who sleep under our protective blanket and afford them the rights of freedom of speech and choice. Unfortunately, our soldiers in uniform relinquish those rights, for the most part, when they sign the dotted line to join. Freedom of speech and choice among the military creates a level of disrespect and limits the level of discipline required to maintain a unit's integrity. My opinion anyway.

Response by SSG Paul Mulvany made May 4 at 2018 9:19 PM

SSG Paul Mulvany — Fri, 04 May 2018 21:19:03 -0400

Simple answer, the commander.

Response by SP5 Chase Cullen made May 4 at 2018 10:15 PM

SP5 Chase Cullen — Fri, 04 May 2018 22:15:12 -0400

There's no provision in any Army Regulation that specifically prohibits the possession or display of the Confederate flag in one's personal quarters...period. Tread lightly SFC.

Response by PO3 John Ramirez made May 4 at 2018 10:45 PM

PO3 John Ramirez — Fri, 04 May 2018 22:45:43 -0400

I think the flag was fine.

Response by Sgt Bud Snyder made May 4 at 2018 11:16 PM

Sgt Bud Snyder — Fri, 04 May 2018 23:16:56 -0400

We were not allowed to hang anything on our barracks walls so ther was never an issue problem solved

Response by SrA Branon Lamphere made May 4 at 2018 11:26 PM

SrA Branon Lamphere — Fri, 04 May 2018 23:26:22 -0400

I think troops that want to carry a REBEL flag or any other enemy flag should be punished accordingly.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made May 4 at 2018 11:54 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Fri, 04 May 2018 23:54:10 -0400

I WOULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS:
Option One: Leave it alone and acknowledge that every Soldier has a right to be proud of his/her heritage, and to remind them of home.

OR
Option Two: Order that ALL FLAGS with the exception of the flag of the United States or a Division Flag/Armed Forces Flag be taken down without exception. That is ALL States, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Free Africa, any national flag except the US Flag, evenif it is to "Celebrate Heritage" A rainbow to celebrate the freedom to Blow Goats and Cross dress while having a lovely Tea Party...ALL FLAGS come down.

My heritage is as dear to me as anyone. I am an AMERICAN first. I don't throw in a Hyphen. I am not a European-American, a Native- American, ANYTHING! Just an American.
By the Way, you should have to BE BORN THERE and be FROM there to claim it. So an American that was born in California to Korean Parents is NOT an Asian-American...They are a Californian! Same goes for Africa, Antarctica, Poland, where ever...If you were not born there you are not that.

Response by SPC William Smith made May 5 at 2018 12:24 AM

SPC William Smith — Sat, 05 May 2018 00:24:07 -0400

When I was in the Army(1970-1973), you could not hang symbols of the confederacy on the walls or display them in any manner. So many state flags from southern states had confederate flags on them, so all state flags were banned. I'm from South Carolina, I had a 3'X5' state flag on the wall over my bed. During inspections, it was written down as a "Dark Blue Tapestry With A White Palm Tree And Crescent Moon" It's not a crescent moon, it's a curved piece of armor that was worn around the neck at one time. That crescent became the symbol of South Carolina's Military Forces fighting the British in the Revolutionary War.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made May 5 at 2018 1:30 AM

SSG Will Phillips — Sat, 05 May 2018 01:30:21 -0400

The walls in my barracks room was covered in several years worth of Playboy centerfolds. It was a great distraction for inspections. But I am sure the mamby pamby PC Army would not allow that now.

Response by SFC Killo Serafin made May 5 at 2018 3:23 AM

SFC Killo Serafin — Sat, 05 May 2018 03:23:16 -0400

I say leave the flag alone !

Response by SSgt Robert Aarnes made May 5 at 2018 4:21 AM

SSgt Robert Aarnes — Sat, 05 May 2018 04:21:28 -0400

When you enlist you take an oath. It is explained that you give up some inalienable rights

Response by Cpl Patrick Ramsey made May 5 at 2018 9:10 AM

Cpl Patrick Ramsey — Sat, 05 May 2018 09:10:20 -0400

In the spirit of good order and discipline I think that it should not. Displaying any other flag or color than a unit guidon, your branch of services color, or the US flag shouldn't be allowed.
I don't care about your personal heritage. You're part of the United States Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, etc.
You salute that flag. Not the CSA, Puerto Rican, or any other countries colors.
I'm not saying forget your heritage, but you need to understand your present situation. It's kind of hard to get a unit of troops to be cohesive when they wish to divide themselves based on where they come from.

Response by Cpl Patrick Whitwam made May 5 at 2018 9:59 AM

Cpl Patrick Whitwam — Sat, 05 May 2018 09:59:43 -0400

When I signed up as a Marine I gave up my rights and was governed by the UCMJ. In order to maintain order it should be removed. I’m Irish by heritage and did not wave the the Irish flag. Freedom of speech is NOT a right afforded to you while in Service to this country this UCMJ was formed to maintain order. If you want that freedom of speech and religion serve honorably and don’t re-enlist. Anything that is divisive to the cohesion of the unit isn’t up for debate.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 10:38 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 May 2018 10:38:48 -0400

As long as he’s not promoting an extremist group I don’t see why he shouldn’t be allowed to have it

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 10:48 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 May 2018 10:48:47 -0400

If it’s in their barracks room it shouldn’t matter. I wouldn’t want an NCO coming to my apartment telling me what I can/can’t have as decor. That’s the soldiers personal space and anyone that enters can leave if they are offended.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made May 5 at 2018 10:50 AM

SSG Gerhard S. — Sat, 05 May 2018 10:50:03 -0400

A few of you have been critical of my mention of the Puerto Rican flag. If you read my statement, I hope you will see my intent was to illustrate that I don't think there is any problem with hanging such a flag. One suspects, though, in order to make decisions uniform, and frankly, easier for commanders, a "No flag" policy could prevail. The question being, where is the line to be drawn?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 11:23 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 May 2018 11:23:39 -0400

I have a confederate flag in my room hung up and none of my NCO has said anything about it other than the obligatory jokes about being a southern. I have had one SSgt tell me that it might be smarter to remove it on field day, just to cover my ass and make sure that no one takes it

Response by SPC Charlie Coleman made May 5 at 2018 1:34 PM

SPC Charlie Coleman — Sat, 05 May 2018 13:34:11 -0400

I had a small Army of Northern Virginia in my barracks rm when I was on active duty. Every one knew I was a civil war reenactor. And that my plt.Sgt kept my P1853 Enfield at his quarters. I find it strange that the Southern Battle flag is the only one that gets singled out.

Response by SSG Janhoi Reid made May 5 at 2018 3:14 PM

SSG Janhoi Reid — Sat, 05 May 2018 15:14:09 -0400

You know I get the Heritage not Hatred argument. However what always seems to be missing is the fact that Heritage is intertwined with Hatred. To ignore or downplay the fact this is an ensign that was flown by traitors in support of a state wishing to enshrine slavery within their nation, as well the chosen flag of groups such as the KKK, Aryan Nation etc is to be willing obtuse. Now, I have many a friend who is neither of those and do in fact have tattoos, decals or the flag itself up in their homes. But to ignore how it is viewed and the connotations and history behind it is simply ridiculous.

Response by PV2 Terry Carney made May 5 at 2018 3:18 PM

PV2 Terry Carney — Sat, 05 May 2018 15:18:08 -0400

As much as I am a proponent of 1st Amendment, value espirit de corps first. As the inspecting NCO/Officer you have the discretion to have the soldier remove it then refer the matter to the CO or 1SG. Let them be the heavy to write out the SOP on standards for their barracks. Unfortunately, in this day and age of political correctness (eye roll) you have to avoid the appearance of indiscretion. It would also go a long way with the soldier to pull them aside and explain how that could affect espirit de corps and save him from getting his ass handed to him/her should the wrong comrade see it and take offense. This is what I would do.

Response by CPT William Jones made May 5 at 2018 3:18 PM

CPT William Jones — Sat, 05 May 2018 15:18:23 -0400

Something no one that I have seen mentioned a few things pertinent tot he slave issue that seems to still upset many people.1. The people shipped out of Africa were taken by other Black people and transported to the west coast of Africa and impounded by Black people and then sold. 2.The ships were owned and crewed by Europeans and Northern white (Yankee) people. 3. They were brought to the new world and sold in all colonies (later states).4. during the was until it was over the Northern states still had slaves. 5. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only addressed slavery in the states fighting the Union. So in the real world slavery was in all the states at one time then later some started making slavery against the law. If Europe and the Yankee ship owners and captains would not have brought the People from Africa to the New world the south would not have had the blacks for slaves. HOWEVER THAT ALL ENDED 200 YEARS AGE SO GET OVER IT AND TRY HARD TO ACCEPT THE WORLD AS IT IS AND TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER. GANGING UP ON ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE AND DECLARUNG THEIR HISTORY SYMBOLES IS/ARE BAD IS RACIST ALSO. Just because you are black, brown, yellow, green, or any other color or ethnicity does not exempt YOU from being Racist or Anti as you are accusing others of being. And simply by getting worked up and trying to force another to change to they way you want is bigoted behavior in and of itself.

Response by SSG Kenneth Randolph made May 5 at 2018 3:43 PM

SSG Kenneth Randolph — Sat, 05 May 2018 15:43:03 -0400

I currently live in MS and the state flag debate still continues today for change. Before moving to MS, I served 12 years on active in the army. I've had fellow comrades to display their flags on the wall, rebel license plates on the front of their vehicles, coffee mugs with the Dixie label. Nonetheless, whenever we were in the field training or back in garrison at the motorpool, we united as a team and it was all about accomplishing the mission. When I was stationed in Camp Casey, soldiers would wear t-shirts that stated, It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand. Clearly it wasn't a unified message for soldiers to wear off duty. BN sergeant major which is black took the necessary action to address his concerns to the entire chain of command. Needless to say, soldiers discontinued wearing the t-shirts because it was the right thing to do in the best interest of the army. Fast forward up to the MS flag debate. I'm not overly concerned rather MS citizens decide to vote on keeping the current flag with the rebel symbol or removing it. At the end of the day, it boils down to how people treat each other and if the citizens are doing things in the best interest of the state of MS.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2018 5:01 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 May 2018 17:01:47 -0400

This is what’s wrong with the Army. We’ve become oversensitive to other individuals feelings. Let me ask you this. What harm is this flag directly causing? I’m not talking about “harm” that stems from what others perceive as offensive because that is entirely subjective in nature. What flag a person flies should be of no concern to anybody but the person flying it. Let’s stop being sensitive to such petty issues that only cause problems when people think they shouldn’t be allowed in the Army.

Let’s just take this situation to it’s logical end. Suppose people start taking offense to the American flag like they have to the many variations of the flags flown by our confederate ancestors. Are we going to acknowledge these hurt feelings and start removing that flag as well? Someday further down the road people will be in charge who don’t think exactly like you do. Perhaps they have the exact opposite beliefs concerning what is offensive. I’d hate to see your line of logic used for opposing intentions.

Response by SrA James Cannon made May 5 at 2018 5:30 PM

SrA James Cannon — Sat, 05 May 2018 17:30:42 -0400

The flag is in a soldier's. Leave it alone. The rebel flag in one form or another had been around the U. S. military for over 150 years. Leave well enough alone. To do otherwise is to be a lowlife communist.

Response by SSgt Dennis Wieder made May 5 at 2018 5:47 PM

SSgt Dennis Wieder — Sat, 05 May 2018 17:47:46 -0400

It's history just like monuments that offend certain people. We need to pull together as one nation and stop all this bickering.

Response by SSG Robert Melton made May 5 at 2018 6:04 PM

SSG Robert Melton — Sat, 05 May 2018 18:04:14 -0400

I think the Military and my Beloved Army needs to quit pandering to the minority and grow a pair. Basic needs to go backed to 70's and 80's style basic where discipline and respect were taught. We need to get away from bs feel good training and go back to mission oriented training

Response by SSG Juan Serrano made May 5 at 2018 6:18 PM

SSG Juan Serrano — Sat, 05 May 2018 18:18:28 -0400

To the person stating that they've seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in soldiers room, would you be offended if it was a state flag? Puerto Rico by no choice of our own by the way, was taken by the United states in 1898. therefore it is United states territory, we have fought, bled and died for the United states of America, so if us flying our flag offends you, think about those sacrifices. We might speak Spanish but that doesn't make us less American than you m, we are proud of both flags. comparing us flying our flag to some redneck racist flying the Confederate flag is highly offensive to me.

Response by PO2 Terrell Courson made May 5 at 2018 7:06 PM

PO2 Terrell Courson — Sat, 05 May 2018 19:06:48 -0400

To make a point, wasn't the Betsy Ross flag of 1776 the first "rebel flag"? I'd take absolutely no action because we need to stop with the social experimenting of our troops!

Response by SPC Russell T. Andrews made May 5 at 2018 8:02 PM

SPC Russell T. Andrews — Sat, 05 May 2018 20:02:17 -0400

Ban one flag you ban all flags except the Stars and Stripes.....

Response by 1SG Gary Bacon made May 5 at 2018 9:12 PM

1SG Gary Bacon — Sat, 05 May 2018 21:12:01 -0400

JMO, but for me, it depends on the barracks. If it's a personal room, not a real problem. If it's a multi soldier room, depends if the roommates are offended, and if it's open bay barracks....it's a no go.

Response by MSG Melvin Miller made May 5 at 2018 9:13 PM

MSG Melvin Miller — Sat, 05 May 2018 21:13:13 -0400

If even one person is offended, it should come down to preserve order in the unit.

Response by SSG David Thompson made May 5 at 2018 10:03 PM

SSG David Thompson — Sat, 05 May 2018 22:03:10 -0400

Whatever the official 2018 southern heritage explanation of the Virginia battle flag may be, it is still the flag used by the KKK, as well as the one added to the Georgia state flag in the 1950’s to illustrate the legislature’s opposition to civil rights.

Response by CPL Charles Houghton made May 5 at 2018 10:06 PM

CPL Charles Houghton — Sat, 05 May 2018 22:06:46 -0400

If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be in command of a latrine

Response by Cpl Les Jordan made May 5 at 2018 10:25 PM

Cpl Les Jordan — Sat, 05 May 2018 22:25:31 -0400

There is a slippery slope here. Many people find symbols like the cross offensive. I would probably talk to him/her and ask to voluntarily take the flag down.

Response by Cpl Les Jordan made May 5 at 2018 10:32 PM

Cpl Les Jordan — Sat, 05 May 2018 22:32:02 -0400

Symbols only have as much weight as we allow them to have. Heritage is in the hearts of good people and racism is in the hearts of evil people, neither is in a flag!

Response by PO1 Raymond Sauter made May 5 at 2018 11:20 PM

PO1 Raymond Sauter — Sat, 05 May 2018 23:20:33 -0400

They say he or she wasn’t white which should be irrelevant anyway. How is this Soldier’s relationship with other soldiers of differing racial and ethnic origin? If there are no other issues, perhaps they should let this person be proud of his or her Southern culture and STFU? Soldiers got enough crap to put up wit these days! Cut this one some slack!

Response by SPC Kc Beck made May 5 at 2018 11:49 PM

SPC Kc Beck — Sat, 05 May 2018 23:49:43 -0400

Uh, if that were the case half of coscom on ft hood in 2005 was in the wrong including the black troops, I had a half dozen rocking the stars and bars, most from Mississippi and Georgia some had proof their grand great great grandfathers were black Johnny rebs.

Many of our Louisiana black guys were both descendants of black freemen slave owners and black southern troops.

I learned a lot of black southern history from these guys, so it’s not cut and dry!

Response by David Kipple made May 6 at 2018 6:43 AM

David Kipple — Sun, 06 May 2018 06:43:13 -0400

Rights are surrendered when commited to the service of your country. Rules are put in place to promote discipline and order. If the rules stated that no flags of any kind are to be kept displayed or maintained in the barracks then the flag is removed and discipline for having broken the rule is enforced.

Response by CSM John Ross made May 6 at 2018 7:12 AM

CSM John Ross — Sun, 06 May 2018 07:12:20 -0400

If you ban one you must ban them all , many state and rebel flags were flown in Vietnam and we all carried firearms and guess what we didn’t kill each other over them , it seems it a sign of the times , As a soldier you need to get thicker skin to survive, tuffen up butter cup

Response by SP5 Robert Cole made May 6 at 2018 7:27 AM

SP5 Robert Cole — Sun, 06 May 2018 07:27:39 -0400

The flag is our haritage .if you are going to ban it what is stopping from taking the US Flag to .its got to stop somewhere . This the greatest notion I've had the privilege to serve. I think if your afended by our costumes leave this is our country.

Response by SPC David Willett made May 6 at 2018 8:29 AM

SPC David Willett — Sun, 06 May 2018 08:29:09 -0400

The biggest problem with inspections is that the ones that live in the barracks are not allowed to inspect those other soldiers that live in on post housing. How do the barracks people know what the people that live onpost are living under the same conditions. Just a thought.

Response by SSG John Conley made May 6 at 2018 9:07 AM

SSG John Conley — Sun, 06 May 2018 09:07:33 -0400

Kind of obvious. Just like you stated AR 600-15. para 2-4. The commander

Response by SPC Justin Ness made May 6 at 2018 10:08 AM

SPC Justin Ness — Sun, 06 May 2018 10:08:30 -0400

That flag was a battle flag flown by an enemy of the United States and the men flying that flag did so while killing U.S. Army soldiers so heritage or not it has no place on a U.S army post.

Response by MAJ Thomas Amsler made May 6 at 2018 10:29 AM

MAJ Thomas Amsler — Sun, 06 May 2018 10:29:28 -0400

Room. Huh. I lived in a squad bay. That being said, I think that as long as a universal standard is applied across the board, a commander's judgement should suffice. I grew up in the south- when I was a kid, a confederate battle flag on your t-shirt meant you were a Lynyrd Skynyrd or ARS fan, not necessarily that you were a racist or closet Klansman. However, times change, and symbols change their meaning. I would no more display a confederate flag today than I would a Daesh banner- not because I personally believe its meaning has changed, but because I'm not going out of my way to piss people off. "Manners maketh man".

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 10:44 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 10:44:41 -0400

If the soldier just displays the flag in his room, that is one thing. If, he is spouting out racial slurs on or off duty then you have to do something. For some the flag is heritage but it is also known as a symbol of racism and in the slurs then you have a different issue.

Response by PO3 Bo Hunt made May 6 at 2018 11:18 AM

PO3 Bo Hunt — Sun, 06 May 2018 11:18:33 -0400

Who or what determines if it is a violation? You answered it yourself when you quoted the regulation. It is up to the Commanding Officer. If they believes it shouldn't be there, it is their call and should not be questioned. This goes for any flags that are not unit, branch, or the colors.

Response by Cpl Rob Stark made May 6 at 2018 11:18 AM

Cpl Rob Stark — Sun, 06 May 2018 11:18:37 -0400

Issues like this are the main reason why the military has retention issues. When I was in, one of my fellow Marines was asked to take his American flag down because it was against protocol. I was once told to change my sheets and comforter because they weren't standard issue (The only bed cover we recieved was a blue dust cover)

Response by LCpl Chad Swetmore made May 6 at 2018 2:17 PM

LCpl Chad Swetmore — Sun, 06 May 2018 14:17:48 -0400

I believe it clearly states the commander is to make that decision at his/her own discretion.

Response by SSG Ronald Lindsey made May 6 at 2018 3:15 PM

SSG Ronald Lindsey — Sun, 06 May 2018 15:15:48 -0400

Back in the 80s in west Germany one of our troops had a WWII German battle flag and while the command thought it a little odd they still let it go, as for the stars and bars that is usually the Virginia battle flag and not the flag of the CSA so unless it is in your face I see no real problem

Response by PO2 Mark Kelly made May 6 at 2018 6:21 PM

PO2 Mark Kelly — Sun, 06 May 2018 18:21:05 -0400

Troops have a heritage. You stop one you have to stop all. We are a nation . we are all different. We must serve together and allow everyone their rights to express themselvs as long as it doesn't cause conflict in the ranks

Response by SSgt Nicholas Merchant made May 6 at 2018 6:43 PM

SSgt Nicholas Merchant — Sun, 06 May 2018 18:43:23 -0400

We are not to decide what something represents to anyone based on what it represents to us.

My only interraction with anything like this is from my two roommates one black one white on from Mississippi one from alabama one flew ole miss flags one flew alabama flags both had rebel flags they only faught about the college flags.

Response by PO1 Jeremy Johnson made May 6 at 2018 7:49 PM

PO1 Jeremy Johnson — Sun, 06 May 2018 19:49:02 -0400

The item obviously posed no problem as it was, otherwise it would have been brought to the attention of someone before the inspection. It posed no threat to the cohesion of the unit, so prompting it's removal would be counterproductive.

Response by CPT Melanie Ryan made May 6 at 2018 8:13 PM

CPT Melanie Ryan — Sun, 06 May 2018 20:13:55 -0400

The CSA was an enemy of the United States and swearing allegiance to the Confederacy is treason.

Response by CPT Melanie Ryan made May 6 at 2018 8:14 PM

CPT Melanie Ryan — Sun, 06 May 2018 20:14:44 -0400

The CSA was an enemy of the United States, and it’s mem committed treason

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 8:46 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 20:46:00 -0400

So, who cares. When did common sense say it shouldn’t be there? Maybe some people should get the fuck over it. There have been people enslaved under different cultures and countries and rulers for centuries. Maybe some people should think they weren’t or have been the only people ever enslaved and get over it because other people’s families, in their history, have once been slaves, serfs, and peasants at the mercy of lords and kings.

Response by PFC Eric Stosius made May 6 at 2018 8:49 PM

PFC Eric Stosius — Sun, 06 May 2018 20:49:51 -0400

Was it causing disorder or a discipline problem. Or was it just picked out cause it's trendy

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 9:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 21:19:18 -0400

Try AR 840-10

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2018 9:34 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 May 2018 21:34:54 -0400

It is impossible to be a patriot AND support rebels. Similar to flying the flag of any other enemy of the united states.

Response by Sgt John Nichols made May 6 at 2018 10:02 PM

Sgt John Nichols — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:02:46 -0400

I think when society feelings are by flags is a society that is failing. We never had this problem until 8 years ago. Politically correctness came into view. Now everyone has a cause...the homosexuals...the transgenders..criss dressers and les ians...also includes black lives matter...and several other causes thst think they are special due to race or sexual preference. I say if you dont like it dont look at it..if you do not like someone then dont hang around with them. If you dont like a confederate statue then go find a starue you do like and look at it. Its simple. This nation was divided like i have never seen before during the obama regime. America needs to come bac and that means putting people in office who really care about this nation. Term limitations so the elected officials cant get to corrupt and forget where they came from. Start askinf your kids what they are being taught in school and make sure it is not the opinion of a far left socialist...start standing up for your selves and screw the obama politicial correctness of not hurting someones feeling. Nust saying

Response by SSG Kim Crea made May 6 at 2018 10:09 PM

SSG Kim Crea — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:09:57 -0400

When I was on Ft Lewis they were finding dead hookers in wall lockers. A rebel flag is pretty amateur in my book.

Response by SGT Shawn Shields made May 6 at 2018 10:18 PM

SGT Shawn Shields — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:18:30 -0400

Everyone commenting history and the flag and what it means. Does anyone know why the Virgina battle flag is the popular "Southern" symbol? Can you answer when it began that tradition?
Answer: the KKK used it and it became symbolic with their movement and associated causes.
So twist history as you like but those are the facts. I would believe you more if you actually rocked the "Confederate" flag or original state battle flag. But let's be real, we know what it stands for, you just dont have the backbone to stand with it.

Response by Sgt Pete Danza made May 6 at 2018 10:25 PM

Sgt Pete Danza — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:25:00 -0400

Just tired of those who see something they don't like and say it's racist or what ever. It's obvious that the commander should remove ALL flags to be fair. They live in government housing or BEQs or what ever they call it now. Ya got to do what they say. No matter how stupid some folks are for being offended. They should do what was done for years. DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T LOOK AT IT!!!! Way too many folks no matter what rank they are, complain about every little thing.

Response by SGT Wayne Price made May 6 at 2018 10:29 PM

SGT Wayne Price — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:29:56 -0400

Response by SGT Wayne Price made May 6 at 2018 10:39 PM

SGT Wayne Price — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:39:46 -0400

It is sad for adults to just think that the Confederate flag is for racism. It is not for racism. This is like saying a gun kills people, no the gun is being used as a tool but is not the Killer. The Confederate flag is being used as a tool to show racism. It is not its intent to be used in this manner. This world has got so bad that it has to blame an object, in order to feel better about the situation or the people in the situation.

Response by SSgt Rory Thomas made May 6 at 2018 10:58 PM

SSgt Rory Thomas — Sun, 06 May 2018 22:58:12 -0400

In fairness all flags other than your company and US flags should be removed. This will not show favoritism and it will show that the CC has a zero tolerance. Also send out a memo addressing some items that are not offensive to you but may be to another as long as your in the barracks/CC's house fair order and courtesy will be required

Response by 1SG Bob Baker made May 7 at 2018 12:05 AM

1SG Bob Baker — Mon, 07 May 2018 00:05:51 -0400

It is the flag of American soldiers and sailors by order of Congress. That said, I have been retired for almost 30-years and the Army now is far different than the one I left

Response by Sgt Daniel Rangel made May 7 at 2018 12:42 AM

Sgt Daniel Rangel — Mon, 07 May 2018 00:42:38 -0400

Im offended by rap artists who sing about abusing women and using abusive language. I was offended by the Dixie Chicks when they abused our CIC. I’m offended by people who burn the American flag. But I get over it and allow them to use their 1st Amendment right. Everyone is so, get over it you PC freaks! What's next, banning the music someone listens to, the color of the car they drive, whether they dip their fries in ketchup or pour ketchup on top of them? Get over it! The enemy is outside our borders and we are destroying ourselves from within over this petty bullshit!

Response by SGT Anthony Shore made May 7 at 2018 4:53 AM

SGT Anthony Shore — Mon, 07 May 2018 04:53:47 -0400

The Confederate flag? Or, the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. I dont think i have ever seen the Confederate flag hung, flown or tattooed anywhere. Either way, its not about its history or what it "used" to represent, its about what it has become associated with thanks to white supremacist groups and as such, may be questionable for display in any location. Im sure the regs have plenty to say about association with extremist ideology

Response by PO2 Joseph Lucas made May 7 at 2018 6:19 AM

PO2 Joseph Lucas — Mon, 07 May 2018 06:19:53 -0400

What exactly does the stars and bars “represent”. If you want to say it is the flag of a vanquished enemy and is, therefore, inappropriate, I’ll buy that.

Response by SFC William Dinwiddie made May 7 at 2018 7:54 AM

SFC William Dinwiddie — Mon, 07 May 2018 07:54:23 -0400

When i was on active duty as a sgt it was commom to see soldiers with confederate flags on tge inside if tgeir lockers.mostly a southern thing.

Response by CPL Aaron Eagen made May 7 at 2018 8:10 AM

CPL Aaron Eagen — Mon, 07 May 2018 08:10:12 -0400

A flag that ahould have been outlawed at the end of the civil war along with the democrat political party and all of its icons used for it.

Response by SFC Phillip Allen made May 7 at 2018 8:13 AM

SFC Phillip Allen — Mon, 07 May 2018 08:13:02 -0400

The flag itself isn’t a big deal, it’s in the soldiers’ room, not on public display, then I say no issue, leave the flag alone, it means different things to different people.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2018 9:32 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 May 2018 09:32:19 -0400

Can you post a picture of the flag? Often times people think the "rebel flag" is the wrong flag. The most common occurring flag I see on anything is General Lee's battle flag. Also, ignore what my thing says I'm not a SPC, I'm a SSG I just haven't changed it.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made May 7 at 2018 9:49 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Mon, 07 May 2018 09:49:34 -0400

The Confederate flag was a staple of souvenir shops in the south were pride in being from Dixie was taken with a grain of salt. We all know that the stigma attached today is a result of political correctness run amuck . The mere fact that todays officers or NCO's are questioning it means the PC police are winning. Today, you can't drink a Corona without being accused of cultural appropriation, but a classroom removes an American flag because it may offend someone is where we are at. Guessing the inspectors would leave a rainbow flag in someone's room because of fear of being labeled homophobic. Maybe, just maybe, you should use sound judgment and what you know to be true instead of growing a yellow streak in fear of PC tactics.

Response by SPC C J Devalcourt made May 7 at 2018 10:44 AM

SPC C J Devalcourt — Mon, 07 May 2018 10:44:57 -0400

Ppl CHOOSE what they are offended by. Therefore it's not really the object that's offensive but what they think the object represents. I agree that the line would have to be drawn at things that go against what our country stands against, like the Nazi flag, and other symbols that represent oppression, communism, Marxism etc.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2018 11:11 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 May 2018 11:11:29 -0400

From a leadership/good order and discipline perspective. The kids race doesn't matter. The flag, though controversial, isn't affecting good order and discipline, therefore I'd allow it. However, I'd inform the said individual that if at any point it becomes an issue he will loose. Command cohesion is more important to you than his right to display a flag.

Response by PO1 Glen Cook made May 7 at 2018 12:07 PM

PO1 Glen Cook — Mon, 07 May 2018 12:07:54 -0400

I would leave it alone. Remember Confederate soldiers were made US veterans by Congress. It might be somebody's heritage you are messing with. Not enough info.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2018 1:36 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 May 2018 13:36:42 -0400

Freedom of speech and expression. It's one thing if he's waiving the flag in the face of others in a detrimental way, it's a whole different matter to simply have it in the barracks.

Why is this a question?!

Response by SSG John Lambert made May 7 at 2018 3:42 PM

SSG John Lambert — Mon, 07 May 2018 15:42:14 -0400

What an absolute load of crap, to compare that traitorous rag to our own nation’s symbol is the problem. Let’s see, I’ve never seen anyone flying the “Rising Sun” WW2 flag, Puerto Rico is actually like flying a state flag, and the Mexican war wasn’t about enslaving a race of people. If there heritage means so damn much to them then have them research what state they’re from and then fly that state flag. That an turn over every regulation and policy letter till you find a reason to get rid of it.

Response by SFC Joe Rappise made May 7 at 2018 4:02 PM

SFC Joe Rappise — Mon, 07 May 2018 16:02:48 -0400

who gives a rat's butt...his room...his flag...as long as he's not running around spewing hatred who cares...ps: if your going to read some of these comments...bunch up you panties....you've got some really stupid remarks here...

Response by SFC Joe Rappise made May 7 at 2018 4:08 PM

SFC Joe Rappise — Mon, 07 May 2018 16:08:23 -0400

hey people this is the actual flag of the Confederate States of America

Response by SSG Ssg Carlos made May 7 at 2018 4:23 PM

SSG Ssg Carlos — Mon, 07 May 2018 16:23:34 -0400

I had a rebel flag in my room and I'm from Texas has nothing to do with race it's heritage and state pride

Response by PFC Timothy Bloyd made May 7 at 2018 6:19 PM

PFC Timothy Bloyd — Mon, 07 May 2018 18:19:20 -0400

has the soldier done anything out of line that would bring dishonor or discredit the military? Does the soldier have a southern heritage? What's his precise words of the meaning of the flag to him?

Response by PFC Robert Lee Gregory made May 7 at 2018 7:09 PM

PFC Robert Lee Gregory — Mon, 07 May 2018 19:09:18 -0400

Flag doesn't represent anything but southern pride. If u feel this flag represents racism, well, you are just an idiot. Learn your history.

Response by CW4 Jim Klugiewicz made May 7 at 2018 7:33 PM

CW4 Jim Klugiewicz — Mon, 07 May 2018 19:33:41 -0400

I sure would not remove it. I may have been raised in Chicago but I learned of the pride the Southerners have in their heritage. They make great warriors, good hosts and have a rich and varied history. Forgetting their history, or suppressing it would be a horrible mistake. They may have to rise again.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2018 7:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 May 2018 19:33:55 -0400

I don't see an issue

Response by CDR James Terrell made May 7 at 2018 9:20 PM

CDR James Terrell — Mon, 07 May 2018 21:20:33 -0400

As a commander I would have the Confederate flag removed from the wall. It is a flashpoint for some, and will be a distraction.

Response by AN Kenney Boles Sr. made May 7 at 2018 9:47 PM

AN Kenney Boles Sr. — Mon, 07 May 2018 21:47:13 -0400

In the United States Military there should be one flag and that is Old Glory,end of story!!!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 4:23 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 04:23:48 -0400

People make mountains out of mole hills..is a flag hanging in someone’s private living colors really disrupting “good order and discipline” not in the least bit..he’s not harming anyone leave them be

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made May 8 at 2018 6:07 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Tue, 08 May 2018 06:07:49 -0400

If it is a room and the roommates and or others have complained do nothing. That is why rooms have doors. If it is in a common area then have it taken down. One problem in this whole debate is that we take it all out of context and is filtered thru the prism of history. An example, brought up in the pre Civil War South you would have a different view of those brought up now. Take it a step further, your family owned a large plantation with slaves what would your view on slavery be. Or if you were a slave what would your view be. All this renaming, covering up, taking down, and destroying symbols of something has, in this Norther's opinion gone overboard. Of course look at post-WW2 Germany. There the swastika was and I think is still banned. What if during your inspection you found a "black" power flag or a PLO flag. Then what...slippery slope and it is getting more slippery every day.

Response by SFC Richard Galli made May 8 at 2018 8:12 AM

SFC Richard Galli — Tue, 08 May 2018 08:12:30 -0400

"That flag" unless the troop is seriously some kind of racist [that is as far as I will go] can be heritage. To balance this debate, I will ask "what flag flew over the Washita, Bear River, the Marias, Sand Creek, Wounded Knee & a dozen more massacres?" In Africa, they say "wash your hands before you point at me" I am from 1923 immigrants to Montana & hardly have a dog in the fight.... but in my time I have seen the brothers I served with - black white brown - from NY MA or PA.... & TX AB GA etc & a cannot conceive them killing each other, but they did, in their hundreds of thousands. I would remind anyone of "all of the above" and what we are NOW.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made May 8 at 2018 10:29 AM

MCPO Mark Burns — Tue, 08 May 2018 10:29:03 -0400

If a command deems it offensive then have them take it down, It is not against the law to have that flag in one possession/. it is just knee jerk crap.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made May 8 at 2018 10:51 AM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Tue, 08 May 2018 10:51:07 -0400

Wondering what setting is this? Is it TOE unit, school, what? I know at Fort Hood barracks are run by housing so no barracks inspections to my knowledge

Response by SGT Mark Saint Cyr made May 8 at 2018 10:58 AM

SGT Mark Saint Cyr — Tue, 08 May 2018 10:58:45 -0400

If a soldier had the confederate flag tattooed on his chest and decided to run around post with out a shirt on, I'd tell him to put a shirt on, and that would be the end of it. In his quarters? If he's a one man room, or multiple and the others don't have a problem, then I say no problem.

This kind of censorship can be detrimental to some soldiers. Like it or not, it has been part of history in America for 150+ years, and getting rid of copies of it, because some folks are now calling it akin to a Nazi flag, won't make what happened before that flag came along, go away.

So long as where the soldier has it, isn't infringing on the rights and liberties of others, then let him enjoy it.

I myself had a Confederate Battle Flag hanging in my barracks while I was on Active Duty, but those times were more accepting of what different people thought and did, and had thicker skin. To me, this is just knee-jerk reactionism, of trying to make something go away, when the symbol isn't the problem.

Some folks just need to grow thicker skin.

Response by SGT Clayton Magee made May 8 at 2018 12:05 PM

SGT Clayton Magee — Tue, 08 May 2018 12:05:37 -0400

clayton Magee

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 12:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 12:53:09 -0400

Contact a EO rep and do some research to see if this symbolism is in support of a extremist organization acknowledged by the DA.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 12:57 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 12:57:13 -0400

If the commander has a signed policy then you must inforce it. If not then who cares if it’s in his personnel room. On Ft Riley I’ve seen them flying behind people’s trucks and many window stickers of the confederate flag. As long as there is not a written policy by a Commander then like I said it’s the Soldiers right to fly the flag.

Response by PO1 Jeff Craddoc made May 8 at 2018 1:07 PM

PO1 Jeff Craddoc — Tue, 08 May 2018 13:07:17 -0400

When I joined the Navy in 1979 my first set of dress blue crackerjacks had both the American flag and the Stars and bats sewn inti the cuffs so when on liberty the flew tigether. The American flag was always on my right cuff so that no matter what my salute or hand over my heart was respectful of the American flag.

Response by TSgt Michael P Reed made May 8 at 2018 2:14 PM

TSgt Michael P Reed — Tue, 08 May 2018 14:14:34 -0400

Not a darn thing. If it is in the troops room then no ones silly prejudice should be allowed into the matter.

Response by SPC Denton McLaughlim made May 8 at 2018 2:49 PM

SPC Denton McLaughlim — Tue, 08 May 2018 14:49:43 -0400

What does the race of the possessing individual have to do with it? That should not be a factor.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 3:41 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 15:41:37 -0400

My buddy and i had one up while in our school house last year and through the 7 months we were there not one inspecfion did anything happen to us nor did anyone say anything about it.

Response by SSgt Ken Shefveland made May 8 at 2018 5:11 PM

SSgt Ken Shefveland — Tue, 08 May 2018 17:11:00 -0400

I would like to think that those serving today are strong enough to understand that tearing down or banning the symbols of our history does not erase that history. Leave those symbols in place as continuous reminders of our mistakes in history so we don’t have to revisit them...again.

Response by SSG Thomas Locke made May 8 at 2018 7:46 PM

SSG Thomas Locke — Tue, 08 May 2018 19:46:38 -0400

First sergeant,,,,,,he is the top NCO of that battery/company ,enlisted soldiers are his responsibility,,

Response by SGT Ken R made May 8 at 2018 8:41 PM

SGT Ken R — Tue, 08 May 2018 20:41:14 -0400

Common sense also would say that offense rap music that encourages drug use and violence should be banned on post. I am betting no one will do anything about that, sure don't wanna be called a racist...

Response by PV2 Wayne Grinnell made May 8 at 2018 8:45 PM

PV2 Wayne Grinnell — Tue, 08 May 2018 20:45:01 -0400

You answered Your own Question.....The Commander has the choice. If He is a By the Book Officer
Ruled by Public Opinion then it would probably come down. Most Good Officers would listen to their SGT's Opinions and decide what is needed to provide Good Troop Morale. If You let this Guy have a Flag then This guy can play the Music he likes. Or as the Army has already done allowed Religious Headgear on some of the Soldiers.

Response by SPC Jonathan Fretwell made May 8 at 2018 8:52 PM

SPC Jonathan Fretwell — Tue, 08 May 2018 20:52:12 -0400

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2015/06/25/should-the-military-ban-the-confederate-flag/

This is a Grey area. Keep in mind the US Constitution and the oath we all swore too. Depends on the context of the situation. In my eyes, we are all one color, green. However, the confederate flag is a flag on some state flags, at some military schools and bases, and Part of American history.

Should the military ban the Confederate flag?

The Confederate cause is deeply ingrained in American military history, making the country's current debate over whether to retire the

Response by PV2 Christopher Graham made May 8 at 2018 8:55 PM

PV2 Christopher Graham — Tue, 08 May 2018 20:55:49 -0400

While I understand that some might find different flags offensive, I also understand that everyone has a right to express their heritage. I had a rebel flag (actually the battle flag for the Army of Northern Virginia) in my barracks room. It's a FLAG! No more racist than our own. What about people who insist on flying a Cuban flag? Isn't it against Army regulations to fly a flag of another country? But I don't hear anything about that!

Response by SSG Eric Schonhorst made May 8 at 2018 9:23 PM

SSG Eric Schonhorst — Tue, 08 May 2018 21:23:08 -0400

I can’t believe an NCO could be so petty. You should be ashamed of yourself that you have an issue with something so ridiculous. What ever happened to common sense and thick skin?

Response by Sgt Frank Eckman made May 8 at 2018 10:56 PM

Sgt Frank Eckman — Tue, 08 May 2018 22:56:04 -0400

Personally when my Marines were conducting field day, I had no problem with a Confederate Battle Flag being out, now for inspection the next day I informed them to have it put away until after the inspection was done, Stationed in Japan 50% of the rooms had he IJN flag (Rising Sun flag) hung in their rooms, granted some could articulate that it was a JMSDF Naval Ensign instead of the IJN flag that oppressed so many on Main land Asia. I don’t know US Army regs but I know the Marines can bust you for offensive material being displayed.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 11:00 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 23:00:39 -0400

While no one thing says it’s not appropriate it’s is what “some” would refer to as racist and indicative of slavery. The best option is to direct the Soldier to remove it!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2018 11:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 May 2018 23:52:24 -0400

I agree that there should be a more clear line drawn in regards to this issue. I see different flags all over the place in vehicles tattoos in houses in barracks on desks. No matter what you do there will always be someone who feels offended. You can’t please everyone no matter what you do. I think a better use of time would be making sure your troops are living in a good clean manner and not waste time worrying about inanement objects. Let them be proud of their heritage. I remember back in my Marine Corps days we hung an American flag inside our sleep tent and got introuble because they said if an Iraqi worked came through they would feel offended. All I could say is WOW REALLY?????

Response by SSG Cecil Vaughn made May 9 at 2018 12:14 AM

SSG Cecil Vaughn — Wed, 09 May 2018 00:14:24 -0400

Follow the regs and shut up.

Response by SFC Dean Allen made May 9 at 2018 1:06 AM

SFC Dean Allen — Wed, 09 May 2018 01:06:25 -0400

Simply "finding" a flag is not a problem. Neither do I have enough information to recommend a course of action. Here are some things to consider. Was the flag in question causing any offense to members of the unit? Would ordering it removed cause the soldier in possession of it and possibly others to suffer lower morale?
Remedial actions might vary, depending upon the circumstances. Troops offended by the flag need more education on American history. My own great-grandfather fought for the Confederacy and we often displayed the CS Battle Flag (actually the rectangular Naval Jack) from bunkers when I was with the 101st Airborne Division in I Corps in 1969.
A big part of my reaction to the flag would be the record, actions, and intentions, of the soldier who owned the flag. Did he have any intention to offend anyone? Does he have a past record of causing problems with others? Is he a good soldier respected by his peers?
Unless the command was actually suffering real problems related to "good order and discipline" as a result of this flag, I would not make any big deal over it or remove it. Conversely, if the soldier who owned the flag had a reputation as a trouble maker, or by his actions or statements, indicated an intention to purposely offend others, then it would be a very different matter.
I would be a lot more concerned with knowing all my soldiers were proficient in assigned jobs and we were getting our mission accomplished; rather than if they were politically correct, or not.
The bottom line is to not over react, use common sense, and keep the focus on getting the mission done and maintaining morale and esprit de corps. (The flag might actually be supporting the latter.)

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made May 9 at 2018 6:33 AM

LCpl Cody Collins — Wed, 09 May 2018 06:33:01 -0400

The line should be drawn at the ISIS flag. I've read new stories where we have muslims serving in the United States armed forces. If they Hang an ISIS flag in their room, That should not be allowed. Any flagged as part of American history should be allowed. If you are Jamaican, puerto rican Japanese, British, Canadian, Or Israeli. You should not be allowed to fly your national flag while in the United States or in a government facility. What you do at home is your business but when your are on government property, Only the stars and stripes should be allowed.

Response by SSG David Primeaux made May 9 at 2018 7:11 AM

SSG David Primeaux — Wed, 09 May 2018 07:11:46 -0400

DO Nothing .....

Response by CPT Wes Marsh made May 9 at 2018 8:43 AM

CPT Wes Marsh — Wed, 09 May 2018 08:43:07 -0400

I guess I would consider if the Soldier was/had been involved in any disruptive situations with his platoon members and then proceed from there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 9:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 09:06:24 -0400

After all is said, the commander of any unit has final say. It’s his to determine and to keep cohesion in his unit.

Response by Cpl Ray Frigerio made May 9 at 2018 9:57 AM

Cpl Ray Frigerio — Wed, 09 May 2018 09:57:12 -0400

Strange question. Your "not white " trooper could be a descendent of rebel soldiers (many Hispanics and native Americans did fight you know , in addition to some blacks) . Either way , is your concern rooted in requisite "good order and discipline"? Or are you simply afraid someone will be offended ? You already know what you should do based on that last question , I think.

Response by MSgt Brian Dady made May 9 at 2018 10:03 AM

MSgt Brian Dady — Wed, 09 May 2018 10:03:33 -0400

While these are all valid points, perhaps we should remember that offense is taken not given. They member was not (I assume) hanging it in a common area as SSG Gerhard pointed out it's not a Nazi flag. Perhaps we can allow the service member a little individualality in a world demanding uniformity just my $0.02

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 10:03 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 10:03:47 -0400

Their is a DEOMI policy that covers what Flags, symbols and even tattoos that are banned and considered hate as according to the DOD/ Army's EO policy. Commanders at every level have discretion to enforce this policy based on what they perceive to be offensive or what is outlined by their EO/ EOA advisors

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 12:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 12:15:03 -0400

I've been in this situation before when I used to live in the barracks a couple years ago. I had an all American confederate battle flag hanging above my bed. When we did barracks inspections my Smoke who was black ( who is from Alabama) would walk straight to it, put his hand on it, look at the flag then look at me, then he just walk away. No ugly confertation, no accusing anyone being racist, nothing. Anyone know why? Cause we are grown ass men who decided to protect our country and the individuals around us no matter the color of their skin or the religion they believe in. So act like it and stop being these pussified snowflakes that get offended over a Fucking flag. Grow the fuck up and carry on.

Response by SP5 Earl Booty made May 9 at 2018 12:21 PM

SP5 Earl Booty — Wed, 09 May 2018 12:21:16 -0400

The true rebel flag is pure white. They lost. About time they get over it

Response by SSG Tom Pike made May 9 at 2018 12:34 PM

SSG Tom Pike — Wed, 09 May 2018 12:34:12 -0400

If you told everyone to take every flag off the walls and then left them as bare eggshell while walls someone would be offended by the color of the wall.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 2:53 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 14:53:17 -0400

It's not a violation.... if the commander orders the removal and the lawful order is not followed, then THAT would be a violation.

Response by CAPT Duane Kalember made May 9 at 2018 4:57 PM

CAPT Duane Kalember — Wed, 09 May 2018 16:57:35 -0400

Should be removed, especially with the comment. With out the comment, it is ok, part of our history

Response by Cpl Gabriel F. made May 9 at 2018 5:05 PM

Cpl Gabriel F. — Wed, 09 May 2018 17:05:44 -0400

The result of shooting events, protesters photographed with a version of the Confederate Battle Flag, has the government and its compliant media now pushing for the removal of the “racist” flags of the CSA from every venue they can. There are calls from politically correct progressive new world order to remove statues and memorials of Jefferson because he once owned slaves, Remove Confederate monuments to the dead. We tend to concur with James Webb-Secretary of Navy And Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan who said: “To tar the sacrifices of the Confederate soldier as simple acts of racism, and reduce the battle flag under which he fought to nothing more than the symbol of a racist heritage, is one of the great blasphemies of our modern age”.
The government’s position is that the war between the states was all about “racism”, “hatred” and the moral battle to free the slaves and promote equality between men. Politically correct see it is time to reinvent the past and if you don’t jump on board, you’re a terrorist, a racist and you advocate ‘hate’.
President Woodrow Wilson was correct when he stated: “It was necessary to put the South at a moral disadvantage by transforming the contest from a war waged against states fighting for their independence into a war waged against states fighting for the maintenance and extension of slavery and the world, it might be hoped, would see it as a moral war, not a political and the sympathy of nations would begin to run for the North, not for the South.”
Thus, you are expected to believe, but never actually look into, the contemporary myth, created and perpetuated by the government in its schools, books and other media is that the "Civil War" was fought to defeat slavery. The people and states of the South were intent upon keeping the blacks in bondage and that these southerners were cruel and brutal savages who required and deserved total destruction in order to change their evil ways.
When one reads remarks such as those below one can not but ‘feel’ the “racist” and “hate filled” mindset of the period:
“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races [applause]: that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, [sorry, he meant “African Americans”] nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
The ‘reinventions of history demand that you believe the war against the South was required to put down ‘white supremacists’ such as the speaker above. The comments above were not stated by the President of the evil Confederate States, Jefferson Davis or one of his treasonous military officers such as General Robert E. Lee, General Stonewall Jackson or some other Satan's spawn of the Confederate States ? No. They were spoken by "Old Honest Abe Lincoln, the “Great Emancipator” on September 18th 1858 in his speech in Charleston, Illinois. President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation of 1863, ‘freed’ only the slaves of the Confederacy but NOT those in the North. Was Lincoln a virulent racist ? By that times standards or today's standards ? Lincoln was a founding member of the Illinois “back to Africa” movement called the “American Colonization Society” A little different than the Nazi plan to send all the Jews east for “resettlement” blacks were to be sent back to Africa but all are supposed to forget that. In his inaugural address of 1861, Lincoln stated that he had “no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” All are supposed to forget that.
In spite of Lincoln’s historical remarks coupled with the fact that he never really “freed” the slaves those ‘reinventions of history continued today by the politically correct still insist that it’s the Confederacy and its flags that are symbols of “hatred” and “racism”. The Confederacy, and all it stood for, was “racist”. The war, according to the ‘federal’ government was all about freeing the slaves, establishing equality and freedom and the rule of law.
One might ask these history challenged, liberal politically correct progressive new world order fact blind individuals that if the War Between the States was all about slavery, why on earth did the U.S. Congress pass the CORWIN AMENDMENT on February 28th 1861. The proposed Corwin Amendment to the U.S. Constitution would have the U.S. Senate approve it without changes and the the President Lincoln on March 2nd 1861 personally signed and endorsed the Corwin Amendment and forward it to the States for approval by their legislatures? The Corwin Amendment would have shielded the States and their institutions from future abolition or interference by Congress. Specifically, the Corwin Amendment read:
“No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.”
If the war, which was about to be launched in a mere 41 days by the North and Lincoln, was about slavery why, on the eve of such a moral crusade, would the North attempt to codify slavery, by Constitution Amendment and why would Lincoln, in his first inaugural address say of that proposed Amendment, that would enshrine slavery into our Constitution, that “I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”
When the Virginia Compromise Delegation asked, in March 1861, “Why not let the South go in peace?”, Lincoln replied: “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” This, in spite of the American Declaration of Independence of 1776 which states: “Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed… Whenever government becomes destructive to life, liberty, or property [i.e., the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it… It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” But the Southern states were the federal ‘cash cow’.
Tariffs were the real issue of the day and had been for decades. South Carolina threatened succession in 1832 not over slavery but tariffs but never went forward at that time. The Manchester Union Democrate which is today the Manchester Union Leader stated in February, 1861: “The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing… it is very clear that the South gains by this process and we lose. No…we must not let the South go”. Were the war really about slavery, hate and equal rights why would the famous author, Charles Dickens an Abolitionist said in 1862: “The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states.” so, it was clearly a ‘revenue’ issue. Indeed, Lincoln reminded congress during a July 4th, 1861 address (paragraph 5) the war was about taxes “My policy sought only to collect the Revenue. A 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861.” According to Major General John B. Gordon CSA, later a two term US Senator, Governor of Georgia and the first Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans stated in his book Causes of the Civil War that it was an “undeniable fact that at any period of the war from its beginning to near its close the South could have saved slavery by simply laying down its arms and returning to the Union.”
Were it “slavery”, why would one suppose that Ulysses S. Grant, Lincoln’s Commanding General Union Army would write in a letter to The Chicago Tribune in 1863 saying: “Should I be convinced that the government designs using its soldiers to execute the wishes of the Abolitionists, I pledge to you on my honor as a man and a soldier, I would resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side.” Ulysses S. Grant would refuse to free his family’s slaves until until after the war and the passage of the 13th Amendment. William Mack Lee, servant of General Robert E. Lee, stated for the record that “All of his, General Robert E. Lee’s, servants were set free ten years before the war, but all remained on the plantation until after the surrender.”
Were the war and the Confederacy about “slavery” and “racism”, why would one suppose that Frederick Douglass, the famous leader of the Abolitionist movement, warned Lincoln that unless Northern slaves were guaranteed freedom and land bounties, “they would take up arms for the rebels.”
Why would Frederick Douglas, an intelligent guy one would believe, think that slaves from the North would defect and flee to the Confederacy to fight on their side if the Confederacy cause was racism ?
The ‘facts’ were that over eighty percent of the South’s military were neither slave holders, or had the remotest interest in slavery. Some even say that slavery was an issue involving less than 2% of white people in the South who had slaves. As such, history and the facts state that the war not fought over slavery. Nor were all people of color slaves. According to the 1860 United States census there were over a quarter million free people of color within the Confederacy and that number grew as the war progressed. Union General William T. Sherman, a slave owner wrote in his book, ( A Soldier’s Passion for Order,) stated he was ‘astounded’, during his “March to the Sea” which was intended to terrorize Georgia’s civilian population by killing civilians, burning, destroying and stealing everything in his army’s path to break the southern resistance, how many plantations he found, then burned, that were owned and operated by blacks.
People of color were not just plantation owners and merchants they were uniformed soldiers defending the Confederacy. Frederick Douglass reported, “There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army. Real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels.” When enlistment was opened to all people of color 83% of Richmond’s male slave population volunteered for combat duty in the Confederate Army and a special ball was held in Richmond to raise money for uniforms. They were not alone. These African American men, people of color were fighting for racism and slavery ? No.
If the Confederacy was all about “racism” and “hatred” why is it that the first military monument in the U.S. Capitol that honors African-American soldiers is the Confederate monument at Arlington National cemetery. The monument, designed 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate who wanted to correctly portray the “racial makeup” in the Confederate Army and a uniformed black Confederate soldier is depicted marching in step with white Confederate soldiers.

Confederate President Jefferson Davis said, at the time that: “I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming; for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence.”
The above facts being noted, the federal government, the schools, their books and their shills have continued to perpetuate the myth of southern “hatred” towards blacks and institutionalized “slavery” which the historical record shows ended in the south before it ended in the north, to justify their war of oppression – beating the Confederacy into submission to the central government and occupying it with military troops for twelve years under marshal law for economic reasons. This was then called "reconstruction" “Freedom” and “the Union” was saved and only required Lincoln to order the suspension of the Constitution; its writ of habeas corpus for the duration of the war in the North was gone, which netted around 20,000 political prisoners. Just for comparison, Mussolini rounded up only 12,000 in his day. Nearly one in every 1,500 citizens of the Union including the editors of some 300 newspapers were arrested without trial. The arrest of the Maryland legislature who, on August 7th, 1861 were incarcerated in the prison at Fort McHenry resulted in Secretary of War, Simon Cameron’s remarks: “The passage of any act of secession by the Legislature of Maryland must be prevented. If necessary all or any part of the members must be arrested.” The Baltimore Mayor and a host of others were also arrested without charges; Lincoln even wrote an order for the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who had ruled against suspending the writ of habeas corpus. Thus was “freedom” saved.

You WILL NOT read history books and form your own opinions.
You WILL NOT research a subject that your government has rendered their interpretation of.
You WILL NOT contradict your government because that demonstrates a lack of “tolerance”, “hate” and “racism”.
If you ‘do’, the ‘terrorists’ win.
If one does not know these facts it is because the schools run by the government did not allow them to teach actual history. In 1864, Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA one of the majority that did not own slaves, warned: “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late. It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision. It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties. The statement of General Cleburne have become so accurate considering what utter nonsense we are now witnessing.
In his book 1984: George Orwell wrote": “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered…History has stopped. Nothing exists except the endless present in which the party is always right” Clearly, we have arrived have we we not ?
In spite of historical facts we are listening to nitwits and pundits of the politically correct new world order going full force over the Confederacy’s Battle Flag because they are too indoctrinated by the myth of taught history. Open a few history books and historical documents. If these foolish people read or studied a history book rather than Facebook they would know the war resulted from northern instituted tariffs and taxes that crippled the southern states economically and their State’s Rights to see to their own destiny and NOT, NOT the hatred of people of color. Removing flags and taking down monuments to southern soldiers because some damn fool is claiming now in this day and time to be offended by myths perpetuated by the politically correct new world proves the saying that “stupid never goes out of style.” "Life is hard. Harder when you are stupid"
The Confederate flag represents resistance to what was back then a growing federal tyranny that refused to ‘listen’ to the People of the south. Sound familiar citizen ?

Response by SGM Jeff Baker made May 9 at 2018 5:28 PM

SGM Jeff Baker — Wed, 09 May 2018 17:28:27 -0400

If he had an Africa flag they woul say it’s ok. It’s his room. The flag isn’t hurting anyone! He is proud of the South and where he came from.

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made May 9 at 2018 6:16 PM

CPO Lou Oliver — Wed, 09 May 2018 18:16:25 -0400

To answer the question, one must first ask a question. Did any one complain about this flag, or more importantly the behavior of the person who owned the flag? If the answer to these questions is no, then there is no problem. If someone complained about the flag did they also complain about the owners behavior? If not the person complaining may well be more of a problem than the flag, because that person may be carrying a chip on their shoulder. At any rate one needs to get to the real bottom of any complains. If there are no complains, you do not need to kick the dog, as they say, "Leave a sleeping dog alone," least you get bitten.

Response by SFC Everett Lunday made May 9 at 2018 6:29 PM

SFC Everett Lunday — Wed, 09 May 2018 18:29:44 -0400

No action required.

Response by PFC Kenneth Smith made May 9 at 2018 6:47 PM

PFC Kenneth Smith — Wed, 09 May 2018 18:47:10 -0400

No matter what someone will always be offended by something in today's society.

Response by SGT Scott Swinford made May 9 at 2018 7:09 PM

SGT Scott Swinford — Wed, 09 May 2018 19:09:00 -0400

Remember that what is commonly referred to as the "rebel" or."Confederate" flag is actually the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Would this even be a question if it was the battle flag of the 1st Illinois or the 1st Michigan. The Civil War is part of our history. An important part I believe because it proved that our country is able do great in the cause of freedom. We learned from that part of our history and it is a mistake to bury. If you fail to learn from history we are destined to repeat it. If we hide that history it will be forgotten.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 7:18 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 19:18:45 -0400

Had there been complaints to the offending soldier about the flag, prior to the inspection?

Response by SSG Richard StJohn made May 9 at 2018 7:51 PM

SSG Richard StJohn — Wed, 09 May 2018 19:51:10 -0400

While it is considered as a racist symbol by many, there are others who realize that the White Supreamist have appropriated the "Southern Cross" Flag and defiled its memory. This flag was never used as the Flag of the Confederacy, it was developed to provide Southern troops a reference to where their lines were. It was discovered that the "Stars and Bars" Flag was to simular to th Union Flag and in the heat of battle many troops were going the wrong way on BOTH sides.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 8:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 20:07:11 -0400

Let the young soldier hang the flag of a nation that doesn't exist anymore. It's not everyday you get to meet people that actually like losing.

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made May 9 at 2018 8:12 PM

SGT Jim Humphrey — Wed, 09 May 2018 20:12:05 -0400

Vietnam. I assume we are discussing the, battle flag, not the "confederate flag" . History is not something to be discarded without careful thought.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2018 9:53 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 May 2018 21:53:15 -0400

Inform them that on behalf of the United States Army, you accept their surrender. Then, have the soldier retake their oath of enlistment - an oath to bear true faith and allegiance, and support and defend the Constitution - every day until they take the flag down.
The battle flag of the army of northern Virginia is not "heritage." It's not grits or NASCAR or hunting or moonshine or barbecue. It is the battle colors of an armed rebellion against the United States. It's not even the flag of the whole Confederacy. Just the armed insurrection part that killed other Americans so they could keep owning people.

Response by CW4 Scott Mayer made May 9 at 2018 9:58 PM

CW4 Scott Mayer — Wed, 09 May 2018 21:58:32 -0400

None what so ever ... Especially if it wasn't being displayed. Lame Army BS ...

Response by SGT Eric Aimerson made May 9 at 2018 10:41 PM

SGT Eric Aimerson — Wed, 09 May 2018 22:41:56 -0400

Why is this even a topic of discussion, look at it, laugh about it, move on. Our guys have enuff issues to worry about in the job itself much less what we nitpick about.

Response by SSG Steve Latta made May 10 at 2018 1:43 AM

SSG Steve Latta — Thu, 10 May 2018 01:43:43 -0400

The Confederate Flag as the Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia came into being to STOP the confusion between the flag of the states in rebellion and the flag of the invading army. Though slavery was part of the reason for secession,the most of people of the South fought because they felt that they were an independent nation and the Union Army was an invading force. Those who have not studied the cause of the War of Northern Aggression fail to understand the feeling of that time.
The Confederate States of America was a short lived exercise in the new idea of the right to chose their own form of government. The idea of self governance that existed in the people should NOT be confused with the political ideology of the government.
Disregarding the simple minded racist that use the St. Andrews Cross as a sign of hate, the majority of Southerners see it as a symbol of the independent nature of our Reble forefathers that fought the Crown of England.
To some it is a sign of hate, to others it is a sign of independent. It is no more racist then the flag of Puerto Rico was in the 60’s.
A piece of cloth means different things to different people. The person displaying the flag should be asked about what it means to them before it is judged offensive.

Response by PO1 Ronald Parker made May 10 at 2018 1:49 AM

PO1 Ronald Parker — Thu, 10 May 2018 01:49:37 -0400

Let it stay but bring up to seniors that barracks regulations need to state what personal items may be placed on walls.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 2:12 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 02:12:27 -0400

There is no regulation on what can be displayed in the barracks. That is all commands discretion.

Response by Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter made May 10 at 2018 6:26 AM

Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter — Thu, 10 May 2018 06:26:13 -0400

I'm sure you could find some books to burn too during the inspection, like maybe a Bible or Quran. My Great Grandfather was a CSA soldier as were my two Great Uncles. Your idea that any type of rebel flag or anything rebel is evil or racist, is a slap in my face and the face of history. I'm an American through and through, but my family comes first and my culture is as good as any other in this country.

Response by SFC Nick Quello made May 10 at 2018 7:24 AM

SFC Nick Quello — Thu, 10 May 2018 07:24:50 -0400

We had two soldiers sharing a room. Mind you this was back in the 90’s on Ft Bragg. One was white one was black. During a room inspection. There was flags hanging on the wall above both soldiers bed. The kicker was. The “Rebel flag” was over the black guys bed and the “Malcom X” was over the white guys bed. When the 1SG ask what the hell was going on. They replied “ both flags have an X 1SG, we’re just spreading the love”. We all got smoked. But the flags stayed up.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 12:48 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 12:48:13 -0400

There is no clear right answer here, just as there is no clear winner. It beings up several questions, though...
We need to ask ourselves; At what point is it OK to be offended? At what point does being offended become offensive?
As Soldiers, do we need to consider ourselves stronger than this? Does this fragile outrage reflect upon a deeper weakness?
Is it worth it to ignore what some of us perceive to be a divisive symbol?

Don't look for a correct response to this, the answers will be as diverse as those of us answering the questions.

My (softball) opinion is that this shouldn't be the catalyst for punishment or policy, but would better serve as a catalyst for discussion to better understand the feelings and motivations of each other.

Response by Sgt Stan Mourning made May 10 at 2018 1:34 PM

Sgt Stan Mourning — Thu, 10 May 2018 13:34:38 -0400

I do not find the Confederate flag offensive because I understand the history and I have to agree with the above soldiers.

Response by SGT Cris Martin made May 10 at 2018 3:06 PM

SGT Cris Martin — Thu, 10 May 2018 15:06:06 -0400

My initial reaction would be a calm “soldier, please keep this sort of thing down & stored for barracks inspections. These are military quarters, not off Post apartments...” and leave it at that. In today’s world everyone is so overly sensitive and butthurt over the littlest s#it it has gotten ridiculous and interfering with the good order and discipline of nearly every unit in the Military because everybody has to watch what they say or how the address someone or look at another soldier, you get the picture. What happened to the days of “we have no racism in the Army, we are ALL (insert service uniform colour here)...”

Response by PO2 Dan Shulla made May 10 at 2018 3:31 PM

PO2 Dan Shulla — Thu, 10 May 2018 15:31:32 -0400

I'd probably have a Haudenosaunee flag hanging and would be real pissed of anyone ordered me to take it down just because someone else might not like it. What if a Lakota soldier wanted a Lakota flag up? It represents our native Nations. If I was conducting the inspection and someone had the flag you described, I might be inclined to let it be.

Response by SGT Linda Moss made May 10 at 2018 5:08 PM

SGT Linda Moss — Thu, 10 May 2018 17:08:01 -0400

If you make them take that one down then you should make any one with any type of flag take those down also. Any flag can be offensive to some one that want to take offense. The stars a bars are about heritage not hate. Would you say anything if it was a gay pride flag ? Would you say any thing if it was Muslim related flag? If you say no then there is your answer . It seems that is ok to discriminate against one group because another group does not like something.

Response by Cpl Michael Porter made May 10 at 2018 5:35 PM

Cpl Michael Porter — Thu, 10 May 2018 17:35:24 -0400

Does it really matter? In the corps the line was drawn wherever our leaders decided. More often than not, those restrictions were far more strict than the UCMJ. Service members must understand that we agreed to temporarily suspended our constitutional rights when we signed up. Your life belongs to the branch you're in, then the chain leading all the way down to your individual unit. If company Commander says no rebel flags, well then that's an order. If Commander allows rebel flags, then you can't be offended. Don't like it? Then get out if the military ASAP and you won't have to deal with it anymore, or don't sign up in the first place.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 6:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 18:46:42 -0400

We had this topic come up during either a EO class or something else, as a leader you no longer have the right to tell a solider what he can or cannot have in his room, not saying we can’t do health and wealth and welfare but if it’s not illegal we can’t say anything, since the barracks is not considered private housing whatever the soldier has in his room that one might see as offensive, the room belongs to him

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 6:53 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 18:53:22 -0400

I think the issue that needs to be addressed here is like of sight. Could anyone walking past that soldier's room see the flag with little effort? If the flag is not displayed to the public, and does not suggest the soldier is involved in illegal activity, then I see no problem with it. The barracks are subject to inspection in keeping with good order and discipline, but commanders should make every effort to keep barracks rooms as close to "private residence" as possible. Health and welfare inspections are a part of barracks life. They just are, and it's for good reason. That being said, soldier's should still be able to feel that they are living in their own space, even if it technically isn't.

Response by Cpl James Maedgen made May 10 at 2018 7:55 PM

Cpl James Maedgen — Thu, 10 May 2018 19:55:33 -0400

You didn’t want me in 1968 when I came home from Nam, so I don’t want you now!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2018 7:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 May 2018 19:55:54 -0400

My point is simple, you give a room to a Soldier and tell them to make it their home, but then put decoration restrictions on them? If something in my home offends you, you are more than welcome to leave.

Response by Cpl Aussie Kimble made May 11 at 2018 1:28 AM

Cpl Aussie Kimble — Fri, 11 May 2018 01:28:48 -0400

you have an issue with a rebel battle flag from a dead country?? does that even begin to click in your brain?? to many its part of their history and are proud of where they came from. if you have an issue with a flag then you seriously need to check yourself. and obviously need to open a book and learn the truth about the civil war not the dressed up school book version.

Response by SPC Earl Shaffer made May 11 at 2018 2:01 AM

SPC Earl Shaffer — Fri, 11 May 2018 02:01:42 -0400

I have never heard of any other flag besides the confederate flag being controversial. What about the Africa, Japan, mid east, ect. Flags. It is a piece of cloth like any other flag. I think it is a person's mentality that defines whether it is racist. There are many injustices against many different groups, but only one is considered unacceptable

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 3:32 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 03:32:02 -0400

It the SM a trouble-maker? Does he get along with others even those of other races? If yes, then no problem. If no, then maybe the military isn't right for them in the first place. I had some E-4's in my platoon, one who had an Africa flag and a picture of Malcom X with a sniper rifle looking with a curtain slightly pulled the side and with the quote "by any means necessary", and another E-4 with a southern flag (he was from the boonies in WV). They got along great and worked well with each other.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 5:32 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 05:32:38 -0400

Commander discretion if he doesn't want it there it has to go

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 10:54 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 10:54:07 -0400

The Flag is like a AR RIFLE it is an object and cannot be racist or kill people. It has to be held by a racist or a killer. That's all I have to say!

Response by Sgt Drew Pointkouski made May 11 at 2018 11:41 AM

Sgt Drew Pointkouski — Fri, 11 May 2018 11:41:19 -0400

Go back to open squadbays, then there is no room for personal decoration, likes or dislikes - you are all one unit, living together as one!
However, in the case above, if the two soldiers are friends, get along, hang out together, and already agreed to each other's flags, then there is no problem that needed "fixing!"
But for unit cohesion, go back to the open squadbay!

Response by CPT Ret Butler made May 11 at 2018 12:23 PM

CPT Ret Butler — Fri, 11 May 2018 12:23:15 -0400

Having lived in the barracks when I was a PFC, I learned very quickly that thin skin and giving others the power over how I choose to feel - is stupid. The true reality of being a soldier is accepting each other and working together. The stars and bars is no different than any other national flag. Creating an issue instills mistrust and feeling devalued. You tell me what is to be gained by creating a divisive atmosphere in a barracks environment.

Response by Sgt Roy Hale made May 11 at 2018 12:26 PM

Sgt Roy Hale — Fri, 11 May 2018 12:26:56 -0400

Just because the soldier is “not white” does not mean that he or she can have something on their walls that is offensive to others. Starts to break down unit cohesiveness, starts to break down the chain of command

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 2:06 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 14:06:04 -0400

With it being commander's discretion, it technically is not a violation until the commander deems that it should be removed to maintain good order and discipline. If the commander feels that it can disrupt that he/she can order to have it removed. There's not a whole lot of argument room on this one.

Response by MSgt Marty Whitbeck made May 11 at 2018 2:13 PM

MSgt Marty Whitbeck — Fri, 11 May 2018 14:13:27 -0400

IF this flag was personal and displayed in a private bed room, THEN what's the big deal... This world has gone BATSHIT STUPID, with the Political Correctness B.S.

Response by SrA A.A. Hall made May 11 at 2018 3:00 PM

SrA A.A. Hall — Fri, 11 May 2018 15:00:35 -0400

People need to grow up & stop being sooo offended at everything! Remember you can't please everyone all the time. This is so redundant! I'm so sick & tired of everyone always being offended. This kind of crap needs to stop. It's even intruding into our freedom of speech & other things as well.

Response by SFC Pete Meyer made May 11 at 2018 3:28 PM

SFC Pete Meyer — Fri, 11 May 2018 15:28:31 -0400

It’s a real shame that the military I once served has become a bunch of PC cry babies..

Response by SSgt Robert Scott made May 11 at 2018 3:39 PM

SSgt Robert Scott — Fri, 11 May 2018 15:39:03 -0400

It’s bullshit leave it be!

Response by PO2 Hauke Powers made May 11 at 2018 4:17 PM

PO2 Hauke Powers — Fri, 11 May 2018 16:17:26 -0400

I am of pure German descent...naturalized American...many time I had the US /GERMAN flag combo on my desk with never a comment or rebuke...most of the time the flags brought up polite and interesting conversations about my family...never had a single issue with ANY senior Petty Officer OR Naval Officer concerning the flags....if the flags were in his PERSONAL room AND there was NEVER an issue raised about the flag, let it slide with a conversation with the trooper concerning his PERSONAL opinion about the flag...having grown up in the South after immigrating to this great country, I learn quickly the Confederate Battle Flag was more of a pride issue than a race-related issue back when I was coming up as a kid and teenager....in fact, most Southerners will tell you they HATE the Battle Flag being used by racist elements in this country. Do a discreet survey within the barracks and see if ANYONE is ill at ease with the aforementioned flag...if there is even ONE NEGATIVE ISSUE, kindly explain to the trooper the situation and the Army Regs that go with it..God bless you for being open to this issue...

Response by SGT Juanita Coover made May 11 at 2018 6:48 PM

SGT Juanita Coover — Fri, 11 May 2018 18:48:53 -0400

If you start to take every single thing that offends anyone everyone's room would be empty. For the love of God, stop this crap already.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 7:38 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 19:38:46 -0400

Stop looking for problems that don’t exist !
What is wrong with you you people.
Read the constitution!
You took an oath to protect it .
Not be the moral police and make drama out of stuff .

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 8:34 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 20:34:42 -0400

To keep it simple no flags should be display no matter what it is ..

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2018 8:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 May 2018 20:53:53 -0400

rebel flag???? I think you should get the name right..its the southern battle flag. I spent 6 years active army ,many sites ..the battle flag in many barracks. no problem. stop trying to get rid of history.. I have a battle flag in my den.. I live in Michigan. retired 26 years active and reserve service.

Response by PO1 Lee Keller made May 11 at 2018 9:31 PM

PO1 Lee Keller — Fri, 11 May 2018 21:31:28 -0400

Used to be(IAW) the Div.O.s hand book if regulations clearly stated it's legal for an individual to the associated with organizations of choice as long as said individual did not use his/her military affiliation to enforce said organizations. These organizations include religious beliefs and political beliefs i.e. black panthers naacp kkk etc .

Response by SP5 John Hayes made May 11 at 2018 9:43 PM

SP5 John Hayes — Fri, 11 May 2018 21:43:39 -0400

Ignore it!

Response by Bryan Miller made May 11 at 2018 11:47 PM

Bryan Miller — Fri, 11 May 2018 23:47:29 -0400

So what? This person obviously loves their country enough to serve. The Confederate Flag (Stars and Bars) isn't the Confederate Flag. It's the Battle Flag of Tennessee and Virginia. People don't even know what they are being offended by.

Response by SGT Daniel Price made May 12 at 2018 4:30 AM

SGT Daniel Price — Sat, 12 May 2018 04:30:45 -0400

It's a command decision. I would have the offended parties give a valid and factual reason as to why it should be removed as well as the offending party. Take the two written statements and make a judgment basedon the validity of the facts and history directly linked to the individual. It is immoral to punish a soldier over an opinion if the is a direct tie to the history of the flag. It is also immoral to allow the flag to remain if there is a direct tie to a negative history of the flag. The decision must be made with supporting facts from both sides and if possible a compromise be made. Have the flag in the soldiers room but not visible from a window for example. There are professional ways to deal with this that does not alienate one soldier or the other. There should be some flags strictly not allowed ie the nazi flag but for ones like this, there needs to be a genuine reason to force its removal.

Response by TSgt Steve Troudt made May 12 at 2018 6:30 AM

TSgt Steve Troudt — Sat, 12 May 2018 06:30:38 -0400

The regulations usually spell out those things that are detrimental to good order and discipline, and as such it is a subject that usually requires a judgement call on the part of the NCO leadership. As pointed out previously, that flag is a battle flag out of history, we can neither change nor erase history, just merely accept it for what it is and move on. Our people need to develop some thicker skin.

Response by Sgt Marc Cerminaro made May 12 at 2018 8:24 AM

Sgt Marc Cerminaro — Sat, 12 May 2018 08:24:11 -0400

I say that you have to stay within the regulations set down in UCMJ concerning any issue that concerns the military and its personnel....this is the law for anyone who signs that paper that makes you part of the greatest military force on earth...it is not a social club or a fraternity it is the United States Military

Response by SFC Chet Crowell made May 12 at 2018 9:11 AM

SFC Chet Crowell — Sat, 12 May 2018 09:11:50 -0400

Talk to the Service Member, it’s not difficult. Then listen to the Service Member’s response, again not difficult. Make your judgement on what to do by the conversation you just conducted. Speak, ask, listen, do! Good Leadership can work like this over and over again.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 9:27 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 09:27:53 -0400

You found it during a barracks inspection. This says to me that more than likely the soldier has had this flag for a while now, especially if it was openly displayed when you found it. That the soldier has been in possession of it for a good while, and perhaps had it openly displayed for a good while, and no one has reported that he was in possession of it, and that they were, in fact, offended by it, I would say it is no risk to good order and discipline.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 9:44 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 09:44:36 -0400

You will never be able to satisfy everyone nor can you go through life worrying about what offends some. Live your life and don’t intentionally hurt others. In the end you can’t control how others feel.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 10:12 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 10:12:48 -0400

I would tell them they can keep it up. But I’d require them to articulate, with historical citations, what part of the South’s wartime causes they support. Based off that response, I would decide whether they are fit to assume a leadership position in a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural armed force. If they are not fit to lead, they are not fit to serve.

Response by SPC Whittney Bierilo made May 12 at 2018 11:42 AM

SPC Whittney Bierilo — Sat, 12 May 2018 11:42:02 -0400

The rebel flag is part of US history. Should Betsy Ross’s be taken down if seen because it represents treason, intersection, and insurgency?

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made May 12 at 2018 12:25 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Sat, 12 May 2018 12:25:29 -0400

When i was active this would have been a non issue. As soldiers you do give up some rights civilians do not. My advice would be to take it off base. Of course in a close knit unit the Confederate battle flag would not have been an issue unless leadership made it one.

Response by MSgt Don Smith made May 12 at 2018 1:41 PM

MSgt Don Smith — Sat, 12 May 2018 13:41:16 -0400

Lets remember that this is a personal living space, if leadership feels it is inappropriate for government quarters then they should give him the opportunity to remove the item or move off base.
Some are offended by the gay flag flying on base quaters to each their own it should be up to the base commander i would think!

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 1:59 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 13:59:59 -0400

Why the author had to add “not white”

Response by 1SG Brian Francis Patrick Milby made May 12 at 2018 2:14 PM

1SG Brian Francis Patrick Milby — Sat, 12 May 2018 14:14:39 -0400

I would advise that soldier that the flag however modified is unacceptable as an ornamentation or decoration in the company area.

Response by CWO2 James Mathews made May 12 at 2018 2:33 PM

CWO2 James Mathews — Sat, 12 May 2018 14:33:47 -0400

In my view the rebel flag is simply a reflection of your view of history and the world around you. My Great garandfather served in the Confederte 11th Cavaly and later as an infantryman. I reenacted for a year, with a Confederate unit in several activities. I have a Confederate flag in my home. In my view if the flag obviously raises no real complaints within the unit, then I see no problem and a a platoon leader I would have let it stay. If there were complaints registered about the flag, The I would schedule the flag holder and the complainer and myself to have a conference to see how serious the complaint was. If their were several complaints, or if there was a visible determination that the flag was causing any kind of problems within the platoon, then I would have it removed, and discuss the removal with the holder of the flag. Considering that the Confederate Battle Flag is a symbol of a part of American history, and considering that by law all Confederate soldiers noe enjoy the honor of being American veterans, As a platoon leader, I would ensure that I had all the information available from the platoon before making a final decision, and that all in the platoon had the information about the laws regarding Confederate veterans and Civil War symbols. Respectfully Submitted, J.L. Mathews TMCM (SS), USN (Ret.).

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 12 at 2018 5:29 PM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 12 May 2018 17:29:39 -0400

You know, quite honestly, one could debate the whole topic of right, wrong, good, bad, till oblivion and the end of time...the real point, at least as I see it, is that whenever one starts hanging up stuff like that, inevitably, it's somehow gonna wind up possibly being bad news...I realize that on-installation quarters are held to be a home, to whatever extent, I get that, however, the moment one starts down that slippery slope, there's inevitably gonna be an argument about it somewhere along the line, somehow, for the simple reason that human opinion, being what it is, just isn't always gonna agree...if someone has such thoughts, whatever, they're their thoughts...acting on them, displaying them, however, is always inevitably going to foment an argument, sooner or later, so, for that reason, at least to my mind, the best thing someone can do is just simply keep them to themselves...I know I'm likely not gonna be agreed with, I expect that, however, if you're living on Uncle Sam's turf, showing stuff like that is just like waving a red flag in front of a bull, or pulling a tiger's tail, sooner or later, there's bound to be an objection...now, whether that was thought of in advance or not, that's a separate matter...however, if, as I'd said, you're living on Uncle Sam's dime, he's the landlord, you know? That's what I think, in any event, honest...when I was in a BOQ, we knew that, as with all on-installation quarters, we were periodically inspected, so if somebody put up a poster, trust me, it was kept as innocuous as humanly possible, honest...some nature picture or something, never anything controversial...me, I obviously never put anything on Uncle Sam's walls, period....

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 6:17 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 18:17:28 -0400

Remember when you would only get in trouble for being and idiot? What happened to that army?

Response by Don Messer made May 12 at 2018 7:36 PM

Don Messer — Sat, 12 May 2018 19:36:34 -0400

Its JUST a flag. Its historical. It does NOT stand for slavery, or discrimination, or any other leftist hot button issues.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 8:06 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 20:06:24 -0400

Leave it. Its a US flag and part of our history.

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made May 12 at 2018 8:20 PM

SSG Fred Campbell — Sat, 12 May 2018 20:20:54 -0400

Yeah, let’s make the military politically correct, that’s a great idea!!

Response by MSgt Michael Webster made May 12 at 2018 8:46 PM

MSgt Michael Webster — Sat, 12 May 2018 20:46:15 -0400

I have no problem with the rebel flag or Confederate flag as even Congress recognized Confederate soldiers. The Politically Correct behavior is getting extreme. If the Soldier was creating problems with it would be one thing but if it was displayed in the confines of their own room I would have no problem with it. I look at no differently than a banner for your college or favorite sports team. I look it as Southern states pride and not just because a small minority have used it to advance it as a shame tactic. The majority of my military friends would not have an issue with it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 9:17 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 21:17:02 -0400

leave it alone no snowflakes were bitching

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2018 9:44 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 May 2018 21:44:41 -0400

There is no reason to mess with the flag. If you are getting no complaints about the flag or the Soldier leave it alone. You knew nothing about it until you did an inspection. The Soldier is not flaunting any type of racism and just because that flag is there doesn't mean they are racist. Leave it alone make a note to self and if something comes up in the future then possibly do something. Otherwise make an MFR and move on. Also do not start a witch hunt looking for this Soldier to be racist.

Response by MSgt Scott Darnall made May 12 at 2018 10:09 PM

MSgt Scott Darnall — Sat, 12 May 2018 22:09:34 -0400

If some military member is so distraught by something as simple as a flag, perhaps we should be looking into the toughness of our military members.

Response by MSgt Scott Darnall made May 12 at 2018 10:13 PM

MSgt Scott Darnall — Sat, 12 May 2018 22:13:46 -0400

Well said. Thank you, for your service and your comments.

Response by CPL Daniel Martin made May 12 at 2018 11:05 PM

CPL Daniel Martin — Sat, 12 May 2018 23:05:52 -0400

My roommate and I had Confederate flags on two walls in our barracks room back when I was in and it wasn't an issue. Why would it be now? Seems to me if you are offended that you are the problem.

Response by SGT David Barton made May 12 at 2018 11:07 PM

SGT David Barton — Sat, 12 May 2018 23:07:50 -0400

OMG! This country has gotten sucked so deep in the butthole of political correctness that it is nauseating! Look at pictures from Korea and Vietnam where units flew the Confederate battle flag from tanks and other vehicles! No one complained then! Nowadays everybody is offended by something and has to raise a super-commotion to get attention. If something offends you, providing the object or person who owns it isn’t doing physical harm to you, the solution is simple,... look the other way! I have to do that daily with everything from music with trashy lyrics to bumper stickers, protestors, and signs that disrespect our Nation. I have to because it’s protected under the Constitution, and guess what, so is the soldier’s display of a modified Confederate battle flag in his wall locker! On another note, the rectangular flag bearing the Saint Andrews Cross or “X” with 13 stars positioned diagonally WAS NOT nor IS the Confederate flag, it was the battle flag (or guidon) of the Army of Tennessee. And before anyone associates it with KKK or other racist organizations, consider this,... those hate groups fly the US flag also! Are you gonna ban that flag, too? I think not!

Response by CPL James Mellar made May 13 at 2018 3:38 AM

CPL James Mellar — Sun, 13 May 2018 03:38:17 -0400

When I was stationed in Germany, there was a story of soldiers, getting a passes to enter East Berlin, where they would purchase Russian, and East German, flags, so they could deface them and hang them in their rooms. The story had it the commanders of their companies had the flags removed on some legal grounds. I used to know what those grounds were, but I've forgotten.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2018 4:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 May 2018 04:12:06 -0400

I lost my grandpa and an uncle in WWII. I served over 10 years for the Stars and Stripes. I'm offended when players of the nfl kneel for our national anthem. My great grandmother was full blood Comanche she spoke no English and rarely went to town. The flag I love and freely defend it again took her family religion and way of life. I believe in what our flag stands for. Even our past actions have dark stains

Response by LTC Russ Smith made May 13 at 2018 7:11 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Sun, 13 May 2018 07:11:21 -0400

It's important for officers and NCOs to remember that when you walk into a soldiers barracks or room that is their home. You need to respect their privacy up to a point. In a health and welfare inspection the type of flag they have stuffed in a wall locker or even hanging on the wall is really none of your business. You're there to make sure that the Army's equipment i.e. beds, bed frames, furniture etc. is being maintained properly. You are not there to be the thought police.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2018 9:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 May 2018 09:01:07 -0400

I agree that it is offensive to a great many people but I also believe that for many southerners it is part of there heritage.It is a very hard line to draw it is a piece of history that everyone in the military should understand.it is a BATTLE Flag after all

Response by SPC Joseph Durham made May 13 at 2018 10:06 AM

SPC Joseph Durham — Sun, 13 May 2018 10:06:55 -0400

All the states had proclamations of state rights to justify the war. All used the issue of the day being slavery as the state's right to enforce. That does not mean the war was over slavery. It means the war was over state's rights to enforce it or not. Why did President Lincoln feel the need to announce the emancipation proclamation after the war started? It's because the Federal Government wanted all countries to know that this was an internal matter that we had to resolve ourselves. It wasn't about slavery. It was about who controlled slavery. The states with their proclamations or the Federal Government with it's proclamation. The South had delegations going around Europe asking for help. And indeed they were going to get help too. Once Lincoln made his famous announcement, that help was delayed until the war was over and there was a victorious South that needed goods and services the North provided.
Now the Southern Flag had nothing to do with slavery. Literally. It never flew above a state or Country. It flew above a military. Funny how all of the people here are in the military and don't know why that is so important. Every Military that ever was had one thing in common. Military is a nation's tool to enforce it's policies. Not to make virgin policy on it's own. I am absolutely shocked that you all didn't know that. So having a Southern pride in a Union Jack has more to do with military than any of you could possibly phantom.

Response by SFC George Gain made May 13 at 2018 10:21 AM

SFC George Gain — Sun, 13 May 2018 10:21:25 -0400

I believe this problem were having is because of the Obama Administration. He created a divide in this Country that caused everyone to be offended. When I was stationed in Alaska at Fort Richardson, from 1985 to 1987, I hung a Confederate flag in my barracks and never heard a word. My 1SG was black and so were some in my platoon. We have become so sterile and are erasing our history for a few people who seems to be able to over ride the majority. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. We all need to stop being so PC.

Response by CW3 Joseph Riley made May 13 at 2018 1:29 PM

CW3 Joseph Riley — Sun, 13 May 2018 13:29:45 -0400

The starts and bars is part of history. I'm not from the south, but I'm tired of people trying to change history by eliminating parts of it because they get butt hurt over things that have been around for 150+ years. Get over the PC BS and let the soldier keep his/her flag. My opinion is that it is more patriotic than offensive.

Response by SrA A.A. Hall made May 13 at 2018 2:21 PM

SrA A.A. Hall — Sun, 13 May 2018 14:21:29 -0400

If others are allowed to display their country's flag and it's ok to do so, then this flag shouldn't be considered offensive either. If it doesn't have specific wording that's derogatory towards a person, place, race, then it shouldn't be considered offensive.

Response by MSgt Alfred Lagrimas made May 13 at 2018 2:27 PM

MSgt Alfred Lagrimas — Sun, 13 May 2018 14:27:05 -0400

I wouldn't go so far as making it a violation, unless such person has been warned that there is no place for this, not in open display. Be more than you all can be, be considerate.

Response by MAJ Mike Yeksavich made May 13 at 2018 4:48 PM

MAJ Mike Yeksavich — Sun, 13 May 2018 16:48:20 -0400

I did not see a flag situation get out of hand before PC set in. I did see a soldier at White Sands get almost killed after he had a few to many to drink and put on a white sheet and ran around the barracks saying he was Ku Klu Klan.

Response by MAJ Mike Yeksavich made May 13 at 2018 4:51 PM

MAJ Mike Yeksavich — Sun, 13 May 2018 16:51:07 -0400

I never experienced a flag issue but did see an issue with a soldier having a carved hand making either peace sign or a V for victory sign, depending on how you looked at it. I also experienced a solider at White Sands Missiile Range after a few to many drinks running around the barracks with a sheet over him yelling "I am Ku Klux Klan." He experieced some trauma

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2018 6:41 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 May 2018 18:41:15 -0400

Its a southern flag. It stands for southern pride. Whats offensive about it?

Response by SFC Daniel Helms made May 13 at 2018 7:48 PM

SFC Daniel Helms — Sun, 13 May 2018 19:48:29 -0400

I have come to learn that people sport the “Rebel Flag” for many reasons. While there are some who see a representation of hate, there are some people who a from areas of the country where Southern Heritage runs deep. Others use the flag as a symbol of personal rebellion. I personally can not stand racism towards anybody, but people should be allowed to enjoy the 1st Amendment Right freely. That is as long no one is overtly threatened with violence. The moment you start stripping people of the rights you become a tyrant, even with noble intentions. This is the real world there is always something offensive about everyone. It is time for people to grow out of the idea is safe spaces and learn to absorb their own fears.

Response by CPL Brendan T-beau made May 13 at 2018 7:56 PM

CPL Brendan T-beau — Sun, 13 May 2018 19:56:02 -0400

Whatever “offensive” point you felt this flag made is severely lessened by that fact that the soldier is not white. Focus your energy on more significant issues and allow your soldiers to feel as though their barracks are home, if all that means is to fly a southern flag that wouldn’t have been an issue 10 years ago. Our military does not stoop to the level of the weak minded and that begins with those in command. That soldier stands beside those of every race and background proudly. Don’t assume he feels hatred toward his own.

Response by CPL Aaron Mixon made May 13 at 2018 8:30 PM

CPL Aaron Mixon — Sun, 13 May 2018 20:30:22 -0400

I would first ask did the CO or company previously have a memmo or written order on this particular situation. If not the CO can order this and he can come up with that effective date and give a few days to become compliant.

Response by MSG Robert Reiser made May 13 at 2018 11:16 PM

MSG Robert Reiser — Sun, 13 May 2018 23:16:07 -0400

Leave it hang.

Response by SP5 Jeff Roberts made May 14 at 2018 5:41 AM

SP5 Jeff Roberts — Mon, 14 May 2018 05:41:05 -0400

If one flag or poster is not allowed none should be. It should not be up too one NCO or Officer.
I am from the south and a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and support the Confederate Battle Flag but my allegiance is pledged USA. I am not racist and was called to active duty in 1968.

Response by MCPO Larry Wilske made May 14 at 2018 9:02 AM

MCPO Larry Wilske — Mon, 14 May 2018 09:02:53 -0400

Agree with the Confederate flag or not (I personally don't) every Confederate Soldier was granted full Veteran Status making them as big a part of our Union as anyone else. It's part of our history (albeit a dark part), and should not be eliminated.

Response by SPC Gerald Barber made May 14 at 2018 9:49 AM

SPC Gerald Barber — Mon, 14 May 2018 09:49:08 -0400

Nothing wrong with it! Displaying a part of History and Haritage!

Response by SSG Gilbert Tinsley made May 14 at 2018 11:08 AM

SSG Gilbert Tinsley — Mon, 14 May 2018 11:08:23 -0400

Let it hang. If it offends let them look the other way

Response by SFC Sara Zlateff made May 14 at 2018 12:45 PM

SFC Sara Zlateff — Mon, 14 May 2018 12:45:38 -0400

This is an easy one. There should be no PC debate folks. Command dictates room appearance and order. Period. That being said......
I was in a couple of units that said: if it wasn’t issued it will not be seen. Every soldier had two wall lockers, lockable drawers under the bed with a night stand and lamp. Also a foot locker and a small desk and chair. One locker was just for issued uniforms, equipment and footwear. Rucks and duffels on top. The other locker, drawers and foot locker were for personal items. Granted the rooms looked sterile. Two people per room usually divided by the lockers. You were allowed to have a bedside alarm clock and store books, magazines in the night stand. I found the base lending closet would issue some items to barracks living, framed pictures, ottomans, lamps, rugs etc. Showing the hand receipt and a smile, I got away with it for about two years.
Fast forward many years later when I was the one inspecting, things had relaxed and as long as it was clean and orderly, I was good with it. I drew the line at using any type of flag as window covering.

Response by SPC Lillie Johnson made May 14 at 2018 2:35 PM

SPC Lillie Johnson — Mon, 14 May 2018 14:35:07 -0400

I’m from the South. I see that flag (and all the statues that are being removed) as heritage not hate. I’m not racist, I know the South lost the war, I did well in American history. I am sorry that a few hate groups use that flag to try to spread hate, but punishing everyone for what a few do is just helping their cause and spreading hate. I’m a proud Southerner even though I am no longer living in the south but I am more proud to be an American and a veteran. I have flown the ‘rebel flag’ but to me it is a banner. A show of Southern pride. In my heart there is only one flag and I went to war for that flag. The Stars and Stripes, the American Flag

Response by SSG Greg Roberts made May 14 at 2018 2:51 PM

SSG Greg Roberts — Mon, 14 May 2018 14:51:36 -0400

I would just let Darwinism take it's course. If the guy wants to put up a Dixie flag, and nobody notices, then fine. If the owner of the flag ends up getting the piss beat out of him for it, then that is fine too.

Response by Cpl Eric White made May 14 at 2018 3:31 PM

Cpl Eric White — Mon, 14 May 2018 15:31:57 -0400

A country song comes to mind when I read this article. A tear in my beer. Simply put there are always going to be opposing ideas regarding ones heritage. I grew up in Arkansas where there was a lot of racism. My best friend in the Marine Corps was a black guy from Yonkers, New York. When we joined the military color dissolved away in my eyes. We were family and nothing less. I would live and die for those I served with whether they be black, white, yellow, purple, whatever. Times have changed in our society trying to condemn everything that some idiot used as a symbol to breed hate. I am thankful for all who served but there comes a time in which we need to stop getting caught up with getting offended over trivial issues and be a cohesive war fighting machine that is the United States military.

Response by SPC Benny Jackson made May 14 at 2018 4:07 PM

SPC Benny Jackson — Mon, 14 May 2018 16:07:50 -0400

Couldn't said it any better Than SPC Christopher Smith .

Response by SMSgt Tim Shuey made May 14 at 2018 4:38 PM

SMSgt Tim Shuey — Mon, 14 May 2018 16:38:17 -0400

None, it's an issue of the soldiers 1st Amendment rights.

Response by TSgt George Rodriguez made May 14 at 2018 5:28 PM

TSgt George Rodriguez — Mon, 14 May 2018 17:28:18 -0400

Too many people consider the Stars & Bars a symbol of hate. Its not hate but Heritage. Its a part of our history. To deny history is to repeat itself. Many a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman have had relatives who fought in the war of aggression on one side or the other. After all these years no one has ever brought the attention of the Civil War out. Why now? My opinion (and only my opinion) is to divide this country for someone else to come in and take control. Too divide and conquer is one of the rules of war. You don't know where your going if you don't know Where you've been. Too honor ones birthright is not a sin. God Bless America and God Bless those serving now and those that have previously served this nation.

Response by Vicky Riley made May 14 at 2018 7:12 PM

Vicky Riley — Mon, 14 May 2018 19:12:33 -0400

Leave it there the person has a right to his believe.

Response by SSG Ric Muñoz made May 14 at 2018 10:15 PM

SSG Ric Muñoz — Mon, 14 May 2018 22:15:03 -0400

I'm a former NCO from the Army. I dislike the term "politically correct", and as for me, I'm Latino; Mexican-American. I'm also a proud member of the Sons of the Confederacy because my great-great grand uncle, who also was Mexican, fought for the State of Texas under the Confederacy States of America. That being said, as an NCO, I always took note of the subordinates and with whom they hanged out. If they only hanged out with their race, and also were stand-offish to other minority races, I knew there was a situation that needed to be dealt with. Before all of these issues with the Confederate flag came about, I too had the flag flying from my patio. I hung out with black, white, Latino and Asian with no problem. I had an issue with one black NCO once. I told him his mind was warped by the un-truths taught, and sat him down to show what he didn't know; black men who VOLUNTEERED for the Confederacy Army. I also showed him a great deal of other things unknown to him from that era. All that being said, the commander has the final say whether we agree or not. He's signed for the barracks, and if he/she says it has to be taken down, it's a lawful order. Our feelings are not taken into consideration. Soldiers are here to preserve democracy, not to practice democracy.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2018 10:27 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 May 2018 22:27:22 -0400

Tough one. What would you have done if said soldier WAS white? If it would have been something different than what you did or didn't do in this case, then you are not being fair and impartial. Until you get clear guidance from your Commander, and it is ordered to be removed no matter who it belongs to, then leave it alone. Having your commander put it in writing approved by higher command would be in the best interest of protecting the unit from bias of "being offended dictates action" issues. Their squad leader is ok with it and lets it stay, but you are not, so you say to remove it, does not make a cohesive and trustworthy team. Get it in writing before you do anything, and do the same thing, no matter what color skin they have or where they are from.

Response by Cpl Phillip Brame made May 14 at 2018 10:28 PM

Cpl Phillip Brame — Mon, 14 May 2018 22:28:07 -0400

You know you young soldiers kill me with you sence of privilege. 1st you all have to realize that the space that you reside in is not yours but belongs to the US Army and therefore fall under Army regulations. This not your parents home where you may have been able to plaster anything you may have wanted to all over their walls. 2nd in the Army I was in 1989-2005 you were always informed at those morning formations of all pending room inspections and were therefore given time to clean the place (field day). At that time squad leaders or section leaders would go through your rooms and determine what was appropriate or not. 3rd disrespect should not and can not be tolerated by any soldier directed at any soldier, that is a servere blow to good order and discipline which are watch words for any soldiers. Clean up your act young men and woman the civilian word is taking notice.

Response by PO3 Mick Dunn made May 14 at 2018 11:01 PM

PO3 Mick Dunn — Mon, 14 May 2018 23:01:47 -0400

Ask the owner of the flag what he believes it represents AND what does he think others will think it represents and what would their reactions be towards him and could he still be trusted to stand side-by-side with others in his unit because of this?

Response by SSG John Smith made May 15 at 2018 12:05 AM

SSG John Smith — Tue, 15 May 2018 00:05:14 -0400

History is multi-dimensional no matter who was the victor. As previously noted anyone can find something to be offended about.

Response by Sgt Daniel J. Daly made May 15 at 2018 2:16 AM

Sgt Daniel J. Daly — Tue, 15 May 2018 02:16:41 -0400

I don’t see a problem. This is this solder’s room I take it, then who his he offending. Don’t make trouble where there isn’t any.

Response by SPC Nathan Yoncher made May 15 at 2018 5:15 AM

SPC Nathan Yoncher — Tue, 15 May 2018 05:15:15 -0400

The flag is in the soldiers room, not flying in the courtyard. if they want to remove it they better remove all flags from the barracks. If someone takes offense they should be able to articulate why their offended about a flag in someone else’s room. Commander has discretion for a reason.

Response by PO1 Michael Withrow made May 15 at 2018 7:33 AM

PO1 Michael Withrow — Tue, 15 May 2018 07:33:33 -0400

you mean the battle flag of northern virginia? what exactly is your problem with a historical flag?

Response by CMSgt Bob Stewart made May 15 at 2018 8:27 AM

CMSgt Bob Stewart — Tue, 15 May 2018 08:27:32 -0400

And the problem is? Who was offended? Did it prejudice good order and discipline? If not, leave it alone. Do you remove posters of Malcom X or Louis Farrakhan? Do you take down maps of Africa or posters celebrating black pride? If not, leave it alone.

Response by SSG Esperance Dawson made May 15 at 2018 8:30 AM

SSG Esperance Dawson — Tue, 15 May 2018 08:30:00 -0400

When I was on active duty in the Marine I had on my desk the American flag, the Marine Corps flag and the Palestinian flag. No one had a problem with it. That was back in the late 80's early 90's. I just do not understand how a confederate flag became so offensive to some people. I migrated to this country and took it upon myself to learn what the flag represent, and respect it.

Response by MSG Edward Flint made May 15 at 2018 9:31 AM

MSG Edward Flint — Tue, 15 May 2018 09:31:16 -0400

I really fail to see an issue

Response by SP5 Michael Chambers made May 15 at 2018 10:10 AM

SP5 Michael Chambers — Tue, 15 May 2018 10:10:00 -0400

Just a thought. The US Supreme Court has ruled that flags are covered under a citizen's first amendment right to free speech. Google it, I don't recall the exact case. The case for limiting free speech is generally agreed to be that the speech in question must present a clear threat; ie you can't yell fire in a crowded theater if there is no fire. I doubt that even a lawyer could provide a firm argument that "offensive" language presents a threat to anyone's safety. That leaves military authority under moral and good order. If it presents a significant problem you may find yourself having to post a letter from the commander regarding the issue. But be forewarned, you will have to stand behind your order to violate soldier's first amendment rights and explain why.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Stone made May 15 at 2018 2:15 PM

SPC Jeffrey Stone — Tue, 15 May 2018 14:15:15 -0400

If you live in the barracks you’re going to have to except the bullshit policies and wishes of some egg head commander. Your energy should be spent on becoming a better soldier getting promoted and moving the fuck off post. The other alternative is to get out and become a civilian so you can think for yourself out loud. I did two years on active duty ( so I could get the army college fund) I faced the same dilemma about the time I was going to reenlist. Having a redneck NCO barge into my room after work hours just to fuck with me a few times made the decision easy for me. I got out and never looked back. I’m not telling anyone to not re-enlist. I am telling you to break it down into simple terms and decide if you want to put up with being told how to think and being subject to their bullshit 24 seven is for you. The crap will only get worse the longer you stay in. We did not have the political correct bullshit when I served. No one gave a shit if a closet homosexual was offended by a fag joke. We did had to be mindful of off-color jokes around females. ( no problem with that ) I remember within weeks after Clinton got elected the bullshit in the military got real thick. Someone found a three-year-old video of some Marines getting blood wings after their tenth to jump in the Marine Corps and getting awarded their special Marine Corps jump wings ( Honduran jump wings btw lol)

Response by SPC Michael Caldwell made May 15 at 2018 2:41 PM

SPC Michael Caldwell — Tue, 15 May 2018 14:41:06 -0400

Google "Confederate Battle Flag Vietnam."

Response by MSgt Daniel Armstrong made May 15 at 2018 2:58 PM

MSgt Daniel Armstrong — Tue, 15 May 2018 14:58:21 -0400

My advice, stop being pussies. Dismissed.

Response by PO2 Douglas Starr made May 15 at 2018 3:20 PM

PO2 Douglas Starr — Tue, 15 May 2018 15:20:59 -0400

pooh. dumb question. it's one country

Response by SSG Shafter Baker made May 15 at 2018 4:40 PM

SSG Shafter Baker — Tue, 15 May 2018 16:40:03 -0400

Um, can't you read? It clearly says the COMMANDER......

Response by MAJ Bill Reinhardt made May 15 at 2018 6:32 PM

MAJ Bill Reinhardt — Tue, 15 May 2018 18:32:15 -0400

1st Amendment protects this IMHO! A soldier’s personal effects and property are protected by a higher regulation than ARs! But personal judgement and exercise of common sense by the soldier is expected!

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2018 6:33 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 May 2018 18:33:58 -0400

Well when we determine what is racist based on our own beliefs is wrong. People think the NO saints emblem was racist. If the guy had his flag hidden and out of view than that soldier went the extra mile to keep from offending

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2018 7:40 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 May 2018 19:40:12 -0400

If it's not a health and safety hazard, then leave it the hell alone...

The Army should not be the 'PC Police'.

Response by SGT Larry Stacey made May 15 at 2018 8:06 PM

SGT Larry Stacey — Tue, 15 May 2018 20:06:58 -0400

I am just wondering if the question of it being ok to have it displayed as it is, is covered by I believe the constitutional amendment that says that all soldiers from the Confederate army were to have the same rights as the northern army soldiers had. They would be able to get medical care, etc., and that all statues pictures etc. Were protected under this amendment. I don't know if I worded it right but I did see the article on Facebook. So according to that, if I'm correct in what I read, then they can fly the Confederate flag. As for the other flags, that is a different matter. Maybe some of my more knowledgable soldier buddies will know how to find out if I'm right and will be able to publish the article so we can all see what I've referred to.

Response by Sgt Vernon Strickland made May 15 at 2018 8:55 PM

Sgt Vernon Strickland — Tue, 15 May 2018 20:55:20 -0400

and so? I carried both the US and Confederate flags with me through two tours in VN!

Response by SGT Ken R made May 15 at 2018 11:43 PM

SGT Ken R — Tue, 15 May 2018 23:43:12 -0400

Rap music offends me..ban that first.

Response by SGT Bryan Cyr made May 16 at 2018 12:40 AM

SGT Bryan Cyr — Wed, 16 May 2018 00:40:30 -0400

I would not take any action due to the fact that 1 it is heritage 2 if you take that flag down then everyone else un the barracks who have flags should have there's torn down also because who knows what flag is racist to who. I for one kept a Canadian flag and an American flag in my room when I was a soldier. Because I was born in canada and joined the U.S. Army. So I supported my history.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2018 8:10 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 May 2018 08:10:36 -0400

So I have a Norse Odin-son flag, and ran into a similar situation. But the flag was in my room, not visible to the public, and falls under the religious category. The Dixie flag has been nothing but a flag to me l so I say go for it.

Response by TSgt David Desmarais made May 16 at 2018 9:31 AM

TSgt David Desmarais — Wed, 16 May 2018 09:31:59 -0400

This is a challenging call. 1) it's the soldier's "residence" 2) The dorm is communal living, doors may be sometimes open meaning others might see it and take offense. 3) does the flag serve or detract from an team environment? Unless its causing a rift between soldiers, I would monitor the situation and let it pass.

Response by TSgt Edwin Henry made May 16 at 2018 12:05 PM

TSgt Edwin Henry — Wed, 16 May 2018 12:05:59 -0400

This a very difficult and touchy thing. I understand people are proud if their heritage. Just display the American flag that is what they took the oath of enlistment for protect and uphold the American people. We are not so and so we are all Americans.

Response by SSG Lewis Fronk made May 16 at 2018 3:12 PM

SSG Lewis Fronk — Wed, 16 May 2018 15:12:14 -0400

Lots of soldiers had many different flags in our barracks 82 to 96 never was there a problem EVER! Rebel, East Germany, Puerto Rico etc!
common since dictates. No Common Areas but soldiers room ok!
I'm old school if the flag offends you stay the hell out of that room. Stay in your own AO.

Response by SGT Carl Brown made May 16 at 2018 3:44 PM

SGT Carl Brown — Wed, 16 May 2018 15:44:04 -0400

I say don't fall for the PC agenda. We all know that there is no room in the military for Political Correctness and to so many people the flag is not about racism but about heritage.

Response by SGT Carl Brown made May 16 at 2018 3:47 PM

SGT Carl Brown — Wed, 16 May 2018 15:47:51 -0400

I say that the commander should not get into the PC agenda. We all know that there is no room in the Military for Political Correctness and that is what this issue is about. To a lot of people the flag is about heritage not racism that the left pushes on the country. Leave it alone and let the soldier hold on to what is dear to him.

Response by PFC Jesse Kiepke made May 16 at 2018 4:56 PM

PFC Jesse Kiepke — Wed, 16 May 2018 16:56:58 -0400

Advice from a former barraks rat, leave it. If it causes issues in the future or you receive complaints then revisit the situation. Always remember these three things: 1. This is still America, freedom of expression is what are here to protect. 2. People can be offended by anything, if they choose to be (yes it is a choice). 3. Just follow the regs and the golden rule.

When I was in, shortly before I went to Afghanistan, I bought a Ka-Bar. I was married at the time and living in the quarters so no biggy. I brought it with me and used it to open ammo boxes, cut seals, and carried it on tower gaurd. About six months in Top saw it and freaked because she doesnt like knives (she was offended). She banned me from using it. Well I went through a divorce while I was there, got a medivac, and came home to the b's with my knife. I kept it in my nightstand next to my rack. Never brought it out or showed it to anyone, out of siggt out of mind, as I was fixing to ets and thought nothing of it. It didn't cause disciplinary issues or any other kind of issues but when the rest of my unit came back an E5 from another squad did a barraks inspection and snooped in my closed nightstand. She freaked out, confiscated it, and chewed my ass (she was offended).

Moral of the story... that flag most likely will never be an issue unless you make it one. I my story helps in some way.

Thank you for your service and have a great day!

Response by SCPO Gene Littig made May 16 at 2018 7:13 PM

SCPO Gene Littig — Wed, 16 May 2018 19:13:41 -0400

Give the owner an atta boy!

Response by SGT Steven Eberly made May 16 at 2018 8:06 PM

SGT Steven Eberly — Wed, 16 May 2018 20:06:48 -0400

The rebels flag is part of our history as a veteran and a civilian both must stop using it as something bad. It part of American history.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2018 10:38 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 May 2018 22:38:06 -0400

There is to much time on your hands if this is an issue.

Response by Sgt Raymond (Blake) Boyles made May 16 at 2018 10:54 PM

Sgt Raymond (Blake) Boyles — Wed, 16 May 2018 22:54:39 -0400

I proudly displayed my “Rebel” Flag in my NCO room in the BEQ at HQMC in Washington, DC for over 3 years ‘83 -‘86 and the issue or the flag never came up. All who knew me also knew that my Dad attented the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) and my mother worked for the university. Ole Miss Rebels. We had the Colonel Reb as mascot and the flags would fill the stadium. No one, black or white (in those days) affiliated the flag with racism! Now everyone is offended by everything! SMH

Response by Anna Zugibe made May 16 at 2018 11:07 PM

Anna Zugibe — Wed, 16 May 2018 23:07:12 -0400

My son is a soldier and I’m from the south and my younger son has a rebel flag hanging in his room he’s 12 and just like he says heritage not hate that’s what he sees my families blood was shed for that flag just like so many American soldiers blood has been shed for the American flag

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2018 4:52 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 May 2018 04:52:53 -0400

God damn it people let's stop getting so damn butt hurt all the time! It's not even the rebel flag; it's a battle flag and a piece of American history and culture wether people like it or not. Also in AIT this happened and the captain realized that there is nothing he can do in that case because it still doesn't have terrorist affiliation.

Response by SGT Justice ( joe ) Rader made May 17 at 2018 7:33 AM

SGT Justice ( joe ) Rader — Thu, 17 May 2018 07:33:58 -0400

Every1 should be able to express their own belifes and desires

Response by SCPO Mark Dotson made May 17 at 2018 7:52 AM

SCPO Mark Dotson — Thu, 17 May 2018 07:52:43 -0400

I really don't see the reason we should keep trying to hide or refute our history, good or bad under the auspices of not trying to offend someone's delicate sensibilities. To attempt this is folly! History is what it is. Stop trying to judge history with the ridculous current social and cultural norms of today!

Response by SPC Ken Sawyer made May 17 at 2018 7:57 AM

SPC Ken Sawyer — Thu, 17 May 2018 07:57:50 -0400

A modified battle flag stands in a different box in my opinion. What I mean by that is i wouldn’t have an issue with it being taken down. Since congress gave confederate soldiers the statues as America Veterans I would have issue with a battle flag taken down. It was an American flag that was flown In combat period. People need to stop reading bs into everything they see. As far as I am concerned you honor your enemies in combat. And what I mean is that in most wars the guy in the trench had no hand in starting the war it’s just his job to do the bidding of his government. They are following orders same as every fighter wearing your colors. ( that’s not to say that there aren’t dishonorable units and individuals on the other side he’ll both sides will do some awful shit in the name of war) now that I drifted a little off subject the battle flag is a US flag and deserves respect

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2018 10:27 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 May 2018 10:27:35 -0400

Personally I don’t see a problem with any of it at all. There’s no problem with the flag. There’s also no problem to be had with the phrase written upon it. I myself am from the south, specifically Alabama. The flag itself doesn’t represent rascism. it represents a heritage. So many of my friends of color have rebel flags. They don’t find it offensive one bit. If they don’t then nobody should. Too many people these days get offended so easily because they’re being raised up weak and soft. Grow up. Get over yourself. Be an adult. Nobody cares about your opinions and what offends you.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2018 1:02 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 May 2018 13:02:10 -0400

SFC Seth King the biggest issue is "is it an issue?" Did anyone complain prior to you finding it? If not let it go until there is an issue with it. It does not matter the race of the individual involved or if it was a rebel flag that wasn't modified. The issue is if anyone has an issue with the flag in the individual's room. If it did not cause an impact on the good order and discipline of the unit then there is no issue let them have their flag.

Note: just because it is a "rebel" flag does not mean it is a flag of hatred but could be historic, for all we know they could be a reenactor (obviously if modified that would not be the case for this). However, straight up only used for hatred flags such as ISIS or Nazi there is a bigger issue that needs to be investigated. Once again maybe the Nazi flag was one that their grandfather captured during WWII...if not well there is probably an issue.

Response by LCpl Jonathan McCurry made May 17 at 2018 2:02 PM

LCpl Jonathan McCurry — Thu, 17 May 2018 14:02:26 -0400

If it was in a platoon size squad bay it should not be allowed just as playboy pinups, offensive pictures and words are not allowed. If the flag was in a two person room it would be OK

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made May 17 at 2018 2:02 PM

SGM Harvey Boone — Thu, 17 May 2018 14:02:48 -0400

No I would have told him/her that he /she could hang it at home but not in the barracks because I wanted no conflict with those who are too ignorant to realize what it stands for. It was probably the West Virginia state flag.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 17 at 2018 3:41 PM

MSG Danny Mathers — Thu, 17 May 2018 15:41:04 -0400

An E-7 should already know the answer. Tell him/her to get rid of it and quit worring about some stupid personal right issue. The room belongs to the army; not him. An SNCO should have an answer to every question a soldier under him can ask.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2018 3:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 May 2018 15:50:48 -0400

i don't think there is anything wrong with it. I've had many soldiers with it in their room/tattoos etc.

having said that, I think it's stupid because it represents wanting to keep slavery. yes there are many other small reasons why the civil war came to be, but the actual reason is slavery. i personally look at it as the same as having an isis flag, but I don't deem anything, not my job.

Response by PO2 Bill Kaminski made May 17 at 2018 11:36 PM

PO2 Bill Kaminski — Thu, 17 May 2018 23:36:49 -0400

Here goes as you can very well see by my last name, the Polish people having had the most populous of being gassed by Nazi Germany, am I offended when I see a neo-nazi, or a white supremicist with swaztica tattoos? No. I laugh. Why do we let history define who you are as a person. History is being rewritten today. In reference to a confederate flag, seriously while there may be some older folks that may use this as a means of being mean spirited there a majority of others who just have a feeling pride. As one other poster posted you can only be offended if you let it offend. You are in the military move beyond the little petty things. Don’t let those items you deem as offensive define you as a Marine, Sailor, Soldier, or Airman.

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made May 18 at 2018 1:31 AM

CW3 Dick McManus — Fri, 18 May 2018 01:31:53 -0400

Confederate Flags and Forts named after war criminals

US Fort Leonard Wood and Fort Chaffee were named in honor of General Leonard Wood and General Chaffee were war criminals during in the Philippine American War.
U.S. Army operates posts named for ten Confederate. Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said there is no discussion underway about renaming the posts.

Fort Lee, Va., just south of Richmond, honors General Robert E. Lee the South’s commanding officer by the Civil War’s end. The War Department created Camp Lee within weeks of declaring war on Germany in 1917. The Pentagon promoted it to Fort Lee in 1950.

Fort Gordon, Ga., honors Lieut. General John Brown Gordon was one of Lee’s most-trusted officers. The post began as Camp Gordon in 1917; it became Fort Gordon in 1956. “Generally acknowledged as the head of the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia, he was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1872,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia (Gordon denied the charge). “By the time of his death in 1904, Gordon had capitalized on his war record to such an extent that he had become for many Georgians, and southerners in general, the living embodiment of the Confederacy.”

Fort Benning, Ga., honors Brigadier General Henry Benning. He was a Georgia lawyer, politician, judge and supporter of slavery. “In the wake of President Lincoln’s election, Benning became one of Georgia’s most vocal proponents of secession,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia. “On November 19, 1860, he delivered a speech before the state legislature urging immediate secession. The Army established Camp Benning in 1918; it became a fort four years later 1950.

Fort Bragg, N.C., honors General Braxton Bragg: When the War Between the States broke out, Confederate President Jefferson Davis made Bragg a brigadier general. He then took command of the Confederate Army of Tennessee from the summer of 1862 to the end of 1863. He was a full general commanding nearly 40,000 troops. His career is remembered by most historians as a series of continuous calamities and blunders; often resulting in disaster.

Fort Polk, La., honors Lieut. General Leonidas Polk. It was established in 1941. Polk’s immediate superior, General Braxton Bragg, of Fort Bragg fame. Before being killed in action in 1864 during the Atlanta campaign, Polk committed one of the biggest blunders of the war. He sent troops to occupy Columbus, Ky., which led the Kentucky legislature to appeal to Washington for help, ending the state’s brief try at neutrality.

Fort A.P. Hill, Va., honors Virginia native Lieut. Confederate General Ambrose Powell Hill commanded the Third Corps of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, which he led in the Gettysburg Campaign and the fall campaigns of 1863. The Army created the post six months before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. A Union soldier from Pennsylvania shot and killed Hill in Petersburg, Va., a week before the end of the Civil War.

Fort Hood, Texas, honors native Confederate General John Bell Hood. The post began as Camp Hood in 1942, becoming a fort in 1950. In 1864, at the age of 33 was promoted to temporary full general and command of the Army of Tennessee at the outskirts of Atlanta. He was decisively defeated at the Battle of Nashville by his former West Point instructor, Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas. Hood was wounded at Gettysburg, losing the use of his left arm. During the Battle of Chickamauga, suffering wounds that led to the loss of his right leg.

Fort Pickett, Va., honors Confederate Major General George Pickett. Pickett’s 1863 charge at Gettysburg has been called “the high-water mark of the Confederacy” before ending up a Union victory. It became a fort in 1974 and now is a Virginia Army National Guard installation.

Fort Rucker, Alabama, honors Confederate Colonel Edmund Rucker. At Nashville Rucker lost his left arm. He was commissioned a brigadier general but the commission did not arrive before the war ended. Fort Rucker was originally the Division Camp before being renamed Camp Rucker in 1942. It became Fort Rucker in 1955.

Camp Beauregard, La., honors Louisiana native and Confederate General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard. It is a major training site for the Louisiana National Guard. Beauregard was the first brigadier general in the Confederate army. Dispatched to defend Charleston, S.C., his troops began shelling Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, launching the Civil War.

Fort Bragg, N.C., honors General Braxton Bragg: When the War Between the States broke out, Confederate President Jefferson Davis made Bragg a brigadier general.

US Navy ships

USS Robert E Lee
USS Stonewall Jackson
http://time.com/3932914/army-bases-confederate/

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Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2018 1:41 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 May 2018 01:41:29 -0400

Fuck that ,Us Army fought the Confederate in the 1860s and we crushed them. Let’s hang up USSR flags if we are going to allow such a traitorous emblem into the barracks.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made May 18 at 2018 8:36 AM

SSG Gerhard S. — Fri, 18 May 2018 08:36:13 -0400

One wonders.... IF the Battle flags of the Confederacy, or of the Army of Northern VA is so offensive, should the Flags of the following States be deemed "offensive" and therefore prohibited as well?
Alabama's flag still has the Southern Cross on a field of White.
Georiga's State flag (the new one) has the exact same lay out, and colors as the original Confederate States of America Flag. The distinctive large red/white/red stripes with a blue field in the top left corner.
Florida's flag, also has the large southern cross.
What if someone finds these flags offensive? Are State's flags acceptable, or not?
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Response by 1SG Robert Shaver made May 18 at 2018 7:55 PM

1SG Robert Shaver — Fri, 18 May 2018 19:55:40 -0400

As a graduate of The Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute (DEOMI). The Confederate flag is not something you can just take away because it offends someone. You may be surprised to know the War between the States Or Civil War was never about slavery. You would need more information as to why this person displayed the flag. If it is because of his/her heritage then the flag stays. That action the Commander should defend! But if it is determined it is because of some racial discrimination then there should be so other actions taken and the question of should that person be in our military. You CAN NOT by the regulations of the Department of Defense take away anyone's heritage.

Response by SSgt David Marks made May 19 at 2018 2:16 AM

SSgt David Marks — Sat, 19 May 2018 02:16:35 -0400

I consider the confederate flag part of American history and it should not be hidden, that is IF its just a confederate flag. If there are additional emblems on it, it would need to be reevaluated by bringing it to the commander and let him/her issue the determination. If you have your cell phone on you take a picture of it.

Response by SSgt David Marks made May 19 at 2018 2:46 AM

SSgt David Marks — Sat, 19 May 2018 02:46:40 -0400

The rebel flag usually displayed is the Confederate "Battle Flag", I'll bet if you would display "The Confederate States of America" flag no one would say a word.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2018 3:39 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 May 2018 03:39:44 -0400

Why should it matter? It's a flag.

Response by SSG Dirk Horwedel made May 20 at 2018 7:42 AM

SSG Dirk Horwedel — Sun, 20 May 2018 07:42:06 -0400

Rereading other comments on this subject and yes they have good points. How would one view a Nazi flag hanging in a barracks room? I bet you would say it's offensive take it down. I am not offended by either flag but I was never discriminated against or harmed because my religion or race.

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made May 20 at 2018 11:21 PM

SSG Bill Cooke — Sun, 20 May 2018 23:21:30 -0400

Nothing.

Response by SPC David Paine made May 21 at 2018 9:07 AM

SPC David Paine — Mon, 21 May 2018 09:07:18 -0400

I would Congratulate him for his/her relatives (past) service, and tell them to carry on soldier.

Response by SPC Joe Hurst made May 21 at 2018 11:22 AM

SPC Joe Hurst — Mon, 21 May 2018 11:22:03 -0400

I have found that people don't see an issue with the flag just because of the civil war, it is more that extemest groups currently use the flag to represent racism and white superiority. Those groups are what people have a problem with and the rebel flag represents them.

It would be like a Muslim soldier flying an Isis flag. it would be extremely inappropriate, because isis uses the flag to represent them, even though the words and symbles on the flag don't have any terroristic attributes.

If isis never existed that flag could easily be said to have religious significance and not be an issue, but because of the group that is using the flag, it has extremely negative connotations

Response by Maj Gary Gault made May 21 at 2018 2:28 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Mon, 21 May 2018 14:28:23 -0400

The Rebel Flag is a Historic one and part of US history so leave well enough alone. Remember that President Lincoln did not consider the southern states to ever be separated and so reconciliation was the order of the day. How about now? Could we please be reconciled with our history finally? History is What Happened whether we like it or not!!!

Response by MSgt James White made May 21 at 2018 4:57 PM

MSgt James White — Mon, 21 May 2018 16:57:50 -0400

The USAF considers the Rebel Flag a dispariging “expression”. I understand the reasoning but also realize these were Americans that died both for and against. Respect the feelings of others is where i come down.

Response by CPO Charles Helms made May 22 at 2018 6:27 AM

CPO Charles Helms — Tue, 22 May 2018 06:27:42 -0400

The flag was in his room and not for the rest of the platoon to see!! Also the soldier in question was not white!! Therefore I see no harm, no foul!! Why is it everyone should be denied their rights to appease others!! If we keep denying the heritage of others because it offends them, we will eventually lose our identity!!

Response by SSG(P) Jonathan S. made May 22 at 2018 3:26 PM

SSG(P) Jonathan S. — Tue, 22 May 2018 15:26:52 -0400

this is a none issue and i dont understand why its been brought to the public forum

Response by SGT Louie Santana made May 23 at 2018 2:18 AM

SGT Louie Santana — Wed, 23 May 2018 02:18:03 -0400

If it’s not causing any issues then it should be left as is no harm done.

Response by PO2 James Boyce made May 23 at 2018 1:37 PM

PO2 James Boyce — Wed, 23 May 2018 13:37:17 -0400

Nothing about the history of the South, what happened during the Confederacy, etc. really matters in this scenario. It is fundamentally no different than someone having the flag of any country, or state for that matter, in their barracks. If a soldier has a Puerto Rican heritage, or an Irish heritage, or a Greek heritage, or is a proud Texan, and on and on and on, and has the accompanying flag or imagery in their barracks, it categorically bears no difference than someone with a flag of the confederacy. So the real question is, is THAT acceptable or not acceptable?

When I served I had absolutely no interest in imagery of my heritage hanging about in my Q. But that's me. Regulations should either allow the presence of flags outside of the U.S. flag or it shouldn't, and it should not differentiate between which ones are acceptable and which ones are not. End of story. What else is there to discuss?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2018 2:30 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 May 2018 14:30:05 -0400

I had a Soldier, "not white" (using the original poster's term) that had a Confederate flag beach towel he used while we were at the MOB site. It was hanging on the foot of his bunk drying while we were out of the barracks. A soldier from another unit, a Reserve unit conducting their demob, saw it, walked in his barracks bay (some of my guys were in there sleeping so it wasn't really "unsecure"), stole his towel and threw it in the trash can in the hallway.

Later it was found in the trash, and everyone was questioned about it. Our 1SG went to the 1SG of the other unit who was sharing our hall and latrines and asked him about it. One of his SSG's, "not white", stepped forward and said he did it and it was racist and offensive. After his admission he got to meet the other "not white" soldier in my platoon and explain to him why he stole his towel, along with my "not white" company commander, "not white" CSM, and "not white" BN Commander. He was pretty embarrassed and was reprimanded for the theft.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2018 2:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 May 2018 14:46:35 -0400

I always remember the adage (we are here to protect democracy, not practice it). With that being said: when it comes to display of pride, and this could be a flag, a trophy, a coin, family crest and the list goes on and on, it truly comes down to taste and respect. Very difficult when it comes to "feelings" since there are 7.2 billion different feelings for 7.2 billion different people on the planet. Is it fair to make someone feel embarrassed by their pride in something (withstanding the illegal, racist, etc.)? I "feel" it really does come down to this - more freedom is better than less freedom. IMHO...

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made May 28 at 2018 1:11 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Mon, 28 May 2018 13:11:00 -0400

My great-great grandfather was a Brigadier who commanded the 1st Louisiana Regiment in the Civil War. I entirely understand the South's heritage and history. But the Stars and Bars flag can be a divisive symbol. I would offer that we are now members of one army, the United States Army. We have fought our civil war, and the symbol of what was once an insurrection should not divide us now. So I'm not sure it's a violation but it might operate against unit cohesion and good order in some circumstances.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made May 29 at 2018 1:42 PM

CPT Alfred Smiley — Tue, 29 May 2018 13:42:01 -0400

The idea that the Confederate Flag represents “Southern Heritage” is really odd. The history, accomplishments, and traditions of the South began over 400 years ago with the establishment of the first permanent English colony at Jamestown, VA in 1607. The CSA occupied a brief 4-1/2 years of that 400+ year history.
Both before and after the CSA, the South accomplished a lot of really cool things.
Pre CSA (pre-1861):
• Patrick Henry “Give me Liberty, or give me death” (a Virginian)
• George Washington (a Virginian)
• Thomas Jefferson (a Virginian)
• Battles of Kings Mountain, Guilford Courthouse, and Yorktown (American/French victory at Yorktown secured victory in the American Revolution)
• George Rogers Clark (a Virginian)
• James Madison (a Virginian)
• The “Virginia Plan” (basis for the US Constitution)
• The Louisiana Purchase
• Lewis and Clark (two Virginians)
• James Monroe (a Virginian)
• Battle of New Orleans (War of 1812)
• Andrew Jackson (a Tennessean)

None of the above figured in secession or the creation of the CSA.

Post CSA (post-1865)
• Coca Cola (Atlanta, GA 1886)
• Pepsi Cola (New Bern, NC 1893)
• Cuba Libre or Rum and Coke (Tampa, FL 1898)
• Kitty Hawk – first motorized, manned flight (North Carolina, 1903)
• Sergeant York (Tennessee)
• Audie Murphy (Texas)
• William Darby (Darby’s Rangers, Arkansas)
• Kentucky Derby
• Nashville Country Music Association (too much talent to list here)
• New Orleans Jazz
• Memphis (more music talent plus BBQ)
• NASCAR (Daytona Beach, FL)
• Kennedy Space Center & NASA (Florida)
None of the above resulted from secession or the creation of the CSA.

Now with all of the above to the credit of the South, why would anybody pick out the four short years of the failed CSA and use its flag as a symbol of “Southern Heritage”?

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made May 29 at 2018 2:53 PM

CPT Alfred Smiley — Tue, 29 May 2018 14:53:43 -0400

We all take an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. Then, oddly, the Army never provides us any training or even orientation as to what’s in the Constitution or its purpose in the nation today.
If you take the time to read the Constitution and get beyond its dry syntax (many of the Founding Fathers were lawyers, after all), you will find the following in Act. III, Sec. 3:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them …”
(There’s more, but I’m stopping there to emphasize the point.)
The soldiers who wore grey on the battlefield were not U.S. Army soldiers. Their State Legislatures had renounced the United States of America and formed a new and separate government, in effect, a separate country. The newly independent nation-state of South Carolina initiated the first combat action of the war by firing on the U.S. Army garrison at Fort Sumter. As the war expanded, hundreds of thousands of U.S. Army soldiers would sacrifice life and limb in the conduct of the operations handed down to them from the War Department and the Constitutional Government of the United States.
It seems incredibly incongruent that modern U.S. Army soldiers would honor the flag of an army that killed and maimed so many U.S. Army soldiers in the past.
Most people are also unaware that the Confederate battle flag had fallen into almost total disuse in the years following the surrender of the CSA. It wasn’t until many years later, in 1948, that the flag became prevalent again, when Strom Thurmond resurrected it as the symbol of his pro-segregation States Rights “Dixiecrat” party during his bid for the presidency. From 1948-1968, when George Wallace ran for president, the Confederate battle flag was the symbol pro-segregation/anti-civil rights act politics. After the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the defeat of George Wallace in 1968, the pro-segregation party fell apart. Beyond 1968, the Confederate battle flag was picked up as a popular icon for the South, so its current popularity only dates to the mid-20th Century, not to the Civil War itself.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made May 30 at 2018 1:40 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Wed, 30 May 2018 13:40:00 -0400

do nothing

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made May 30 at 2018 1:54 PM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Wed, 30 May 2018 13:54:04 -0400

Ok yall understand a few things up front, I am grouchy semi-broken retired knuckle dragging barbarian form the deep south.

I would explain to the SM I have been around the globe and served under lots of different Generals, COLs etc... but I have only served under one flag, The American Flag. No other! I would explain where his pay check is coming from, who is paid for the uniforms and training, and the room he is staying. If he had a house off post and he wanted a confederate flag he could have it but not on a US Military Installation. I would explain how we as American Soldiers had a mission to take care of our Nation and its citizens and that flag somehow did not support that. I would continue by saying if there is some confusion I did not clarify he could check back with me at X hour in my office.

Yea everyone has a right to think and feel how they want but the bottom line is at the end of the day we are Americans and we need to act like it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 4:09 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 May 2018 04:09:11 -0400

The commander determines whether it is a violation. In your room? I don't believe I'd care. Because even though it is up to a commander, he/she must be able to determine without their own bias, if this flag truly is bothering the unit.

Response by LTC James McElreath made May 31 at 2018 4:47 PM

LTC James McElreath — Thu, 31 May 2018 16:47:56 -0400

My last assignment at Ft Knox, the company commander, nor his subordinates were allowed to inspect anything within the barracks. This was supposed to foster the belief that those living in the barracks had a since of privacy in their living space. There were NCO's assigned to perform walk throughs of common areas.

Response by SGT Frank G made May 31 at 2018 6:05 PM

SGT Frank G — Thu, 31 May 2018 18:05:55 -0400

Wall to wall counsel, end of issue.

Response by SSgt Paul Murray made Jun 3 at 2018 2:21 AM

SSgt Paul Murray — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:21:33 -0400

I was on a motorcycle ride called the Trail of Tears which commemorated the time the Indians were displaced by President Andrew Jackson and sent to the West to Oklahoma territory. As I pulled off to watch all the bikes going across the bridge a large percentage flew the flag that committed the greatest atrocity toward a nation. The American Indian.

Response by SGT William Benson made Jun 3 at 2018 2:37 AM

SGT William Benson — Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:37:55 -0400

The term"rebel flag" is a misnomer. The Battle Colors of the Army of Northern Virginia (which is what folks call the "rebel flag") was a strictly military standard, having the same political ramifications as any of the Service Colors of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines. It wasn't until after the war that the flag was usurped by bigots attempting to convince newly freed slaves that they were seeing the ghosts of dead Confederates.
The Army of Northern Virginia was a professional, capable, and effective army, and the tactics of Lee and his Generals are taught to this day in our Service Academies. Fact: the South lost the war; in the aftermath of Reconstruction, and the effort of putting the South back together, some Southerners feel that they have little to cling to, and one of those things is the Battle Standard of the Army of Northern Virginia.
So, as a small unit leader, you should strive to know your people, and if you have a soldier (sailor, airman, Marine, etc.) displaying any controversial icon or colors, you should know why that soldier displays those colors. If he is a descendant of a veteran of the Army of Northern Virginia, then he may have every right to have pride in those colors. Any Non-Commissioned officer of any worth should know if they have a soldier with extremist ideas, and THOSE soldiers should be identified and dealt with.
(Also consider that many active duty personnel participate in living history, so before you go "high and to the right" because a trooper has a full issue of Waffen SS field gear and uniform, make sure of the circumstances; he might be a bone fide re-enactor with no other place to stow his gear.
Or they may be rebelling against this latest wave of political correctness that has hobbled reason and the art of civil debate...
Bottom line: Know your people. If you have built the team, offensive icons have no power.

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Jun 5 at 2018 8:17 AM

SGM Gerald Fife — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:17:53 -0400

I don't think the flag would be of a bother if it were in a room occupied by the owner of the flag. That being said, if the flag were in an open barracks bay, I would ask him to put it away. I believe we sometimes get carried away with PC. I remember back when I was in a Sr NCO Reserve course in 1983, there was a particular story the instructor, he was also the school commandant, was telling. Long story short, I said I didn't care why the man did what he did, he is guilty. He confessed. The instructor asked me if I wanted to stay in school or go home as an incomplete. So I went along to get along. So here I am 45 years later telling you all about it. Shortly after we graduated I read in the Chicago newspaper that the Commandant of which mentioned was in an automobile accident and burned to death. I hope you can find some relevance in my ramblings.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Jun 5 at 2018 9:17 PM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Tue, 05 Jun 2018 21:17:19 -0400

I would say any flag other than the United States flag is not allowed. You are a United States Service man not a Confederate Service man. The Confederacy ended on August 20,1866 and does not exist. SO the flag has nothing to do with the USA any more.

Response by CPT Samuel Carlson made Jun 7 at 2018 7:29 AM

CPT Samuel Carlson — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 07:29:04 -0400

I would follow command policies regarding the display of the Confederate Battle flag. Personally, I am not offended by the Confederate Battle Flag since it was developed during the Civil War to reduce confusion on the battlefield. The Confederate National flag looked too much like the Union National flag causing friendly fire incidents on the battlefield. I am offended by the racist groups that adopted a soldiers' battle flag to represent them. Most Confederate soldiers and sailors were fighting for their families, town, or county. The Civil War wasn't initially just about freeing the slaves. That justification for the war came much later during the conflict. If I recall correctly, there were four Slave States that fought for the Union.

Response by CPL Joey Weaver Jr. made Jun 7 at 2018 8:19 AM

CPL Joey Weaver Jr. — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 08:19:20 -0400

The U.S. fought a Great civil war. American on Americans. Brutal, and ugly, but it is part of History. Many men died on both sides, and given, the North Prevailed. But Men and women from the south hold on to the history. They now as everyone does who enters the military, take an oath to protect the constitution. So with that said, its like jewish people who hold onto the people they loved who perished. Let the southern man at least have and show respect to the fallen of his then country. We are now united again. Let it go, as long as it is not a racist statement, it should be allowed. We as Americans can never forget how we got to where we are. Many southern boys fought valiantly in Europe and in the Pacific, as well as Korea and Vietnam, and now in the Mideast. Lest I say more for the patriotism.

Response by COL Thomas Ficarra made Jun 7 at 2018 3:22 PM

COL Thomas Ficarra — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:22:04 -0400

First off, good for you in keeping up with the barracks inspection. I remember having those when I was in a young PFC in Panama. What a pain but at least everyone felt the pain. In that light, as long as your fair across the board, and no one has paraphernalia that is derogatory to the US or the Army, degrading to others or disrupts the good order and discipline of the unit, they shouldn't complain. The Army's a mix bag of nuts. You never know what flavor your going to get in your platoon or company. But the concept is that we are intermixable like a Chex bowl. We need to make sure everyone is ethically, morally, and legally comfortable in their surroundings. Granted, there will be that one nut that complains about everyone. That's when you take them out back and have a serious conversation about the boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later we won't listen to them anymore. Ok, we will be there will be a lot of eye-rolling. Pick your battles. As far as the flag Soldier? I would probably first have a platoon/company level class on army values and army policy on what is appropriate. I would ask the Soldier off line to voluntarily remove the flag, or at the minimum, move it so its not in "public view" when passing his room. I would have, of course, documentation in the form of an AR, unit SOP, policy letter, commander's letter, etc to support this case. Keep the SJA involved to make sure you are in the right.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2018 7:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:27:46 -0400

If there's no official complaints about the flag, don't light the match. Just leave it alone until it becomes an issue.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jun 9 at 2018 9:55 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sat, 09 Jun 2018 21:55:21 -0400

Damn... this is the shot that's going poppin in the military right now? Oh holy mother... they're are massive issues going on and this has to be one minute one? Good gracious... I'm half white and Hawaiian, would you be offended if I had a Hawaii state flag and a white power flag? That's who I am... fuck outta here

Response by MSG Larry Caldwell made Jun 11 at 2018 7:15 PM

MSG Larry Caldwell — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 19:15:41 -0400

I agree with Ssg Seidel. Soldiers come from many different walks of life. I’ve even seen a pirate flag flown by a Cav platoon in the field (an OP 4 platoon). Psychological effect was something else! But seriously, as long as it doesn’t offend someone or an important inspection coming up, it shouldn’t be a problem. We are serve under the one flag that counts. Besides if it does start to be a problem, then you can drop the “hammer”. Make sure your soldiers know your policy on it.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Jun 12 at 2018 9:18 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:18:53 -0400

As long as you don't wave a white flag when we fight together, then I don't care what flag you fly on your lawn or hang in your room or display on your car. I have seen Irish, African, Italian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Canadian, Jordanian, Confederate, and Christian flag displayed in barracks rooms - and those same troops always worked well together like brothers and had each others backs everytime. Racism exist only in the minds of those who push the agenda of racism - and these troops proved that.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jun 12 at 2018 10:30 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:30:31 -0400

Yep, this is a unit commander's decision. If the commander says take it down it has to come down. the base commander can also put out a memo about certain items in the barracks.

Response by MGySgt Jerry Suarez made Jun 24 at 2018 11:31 PM

MGySgt Jerry Suarez — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:31:32 -0400

Leave it alone unless there is physical evidence that it is detrimental to good order and discipline just leave it alone. Sometimes we cause things to get blown out of proportion.

Response by CW4 Bernard B. made Jun 28 at 2018 2:34 AM

CW4 Bernard B. — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 02:34:38 -0400

I regularly have the discussion (argument) with people who think that saying the Civil War was ultimately about slavery is "revisionist." Ironic, since revisionism would have us believe it was purely about state's rights. I think my new counter-argument will be, "83...83 is the number of times the word 'slave' was used by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia when they approved their Declaration of Causes of Seceding States."

Response by MSG William Hesser made Jul 5 at 2018 12:34 PM

MSG William Hesser — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 12:34:52 -0400

The Confederate flag is part of American history. I would ask them if they had a Gadsden flag as well, as it was our first unofficial 'national flag' through the Revolutionary war with England.
We didn't adopt the 'Stars and Stripes' until after the Revolutionary war, in fact is was just before the Civil war that the 'Stars and Stripes' was officially adopted. In fact several of the early battles at the beginning of the aggression of the Northern states against the Southern states the Gadsden fag was still being used.
Bottom line the Political Correctness is doing more damage to our nation than most want to admit. There is a 'move' to eliminate all facts of our past to keep from 'hurting feelings' while in fact as a nation there are always 'growing pains' that we overcome and by learning from them we are less apt to repeat them.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 11:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:04:13 -0400

The first issue is the fact that you think "common sense says it shouldn't be there". Common sense would tell some people that Islamic flags shouldn't be there. Herein lies the problem...the "common sense" in both statements above are not "common sense", but personal belief. EVERYONE needs to learn the difference. And UCMJ says you cannot issue orders for things you "think" will happen.
We all have an anus...so should we all be restricted to barracks because it is probable someone will have an accident?

UCMJ Article 90 (ii) Authority of issuing officer. The commissioned officer issuing the order must have authority to give such an order. Authorization may be based on law, regulation, or custom of the service

(iii) Relationship to military duty. The order must relate to military duty, which includes all activities reasonably necessary to accomplish a military mission, or safeguard or promote the morale, discipline, and usefulness of members of a command and directly connected with the maintenance of good order in the service. The order may not, without such a valid military purpose, interfere with private rights or personal affairs. However, the dictates of a person’s conscience, religion, or personal philosophy cannot justify or excuse the disobedience of an otherwise lawful order. Disobedience of an order which has for its sole object the attainment of some private end, or which is given for the sole purpose of increasing the penalty for an offense which it is expected the accused may commit, is not punishable under this article.
(iv) Relationship to statutory or constitutional rights. The order must not conflict with the statutory or constitutional rights of the person receiving the order.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 11:10 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:10:45 -0400

I agree with what you wrote...and we'll worded. The only time I have ordered someone to remove a flag was downrange. In uniform, carrying a weapon with the US flag on his shoulder, and a Puerto Rican flag on his weapon stock. In uniform only one flag should be displayed. Show your personal loyalty to your heritage on off duty hours. We are all Americans (or serving American interests), regardless of OUR heritage.

Response by SSG Judy Segrest made Jul 16 at 2018 10:30 AM

SSG Judy Segrest — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:30:55 -0400

Although, I am reading many interesting comments from each of you, no one has said anything about the saying THESE COLORS DON'T RUN. What does it mean? Try to explain it to the person next to you. Ask someone to explain the phrase to you. Our answers will likely have similar notions of vague patriotism and bravery, but will not be the same. Is it related to the idea that "colors" of the flag "don't run" in the face of a challenge, or the U.S. doesn't run from necessary wars? Is it related to draft registers in the 1960s who fled out of the U.S.? When the context isn't given to what colors aren't running we have to make an assumption or an educated guess. "Run". What are we or 'these colors" running from? From ISIS? The enemy? The war? Could be. Who knows? "These colors don't run" lack the necessary qualifications to make any sense at all. It's the perfect representation of the hollowness of patriotism. Now, does the sign, THESE COLORS DON'T RUN, in anyway, cause a disturbance? I would have to answer no. If these words are displayed with an eagle or/and the U.S. flag, my answer would still be no. BUT, since, the writer describes a modified rebel flag, I would have to take it down. We have not agreed to disagree.

Response by SPC Gary Shoup made Jul 18 at 2018 11:23 PM

SPC Gary Shoup — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:23:17 -0400

It is a Heritage that should not be forgotten, Black and White Americans have died for this Country. It's History.

Response by SGT Lisa Fields made Jul 21 at 2018 4:04 PM

SGT Lisa Fields — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:04:25 -0400

Don't rock the boat. Unless said soldier is causing issues along the racial divide ignore it.

Let play a scene for you group of Joe's sitting in barracks.
2 White, 1 Indian, 1 native American 2 black.
All laying in bed or spread out along the floor wrapped in their fav blankets.
On my bed was me in my my little poney and my next door neighbor good ol boy wearing cammo PJs wrapped in a reble flag blanket with that same saying.
All laughing together watching cartoons.

My nco another good ol boy walked around proudly with his heritage card in wallet showing his ancestor fought for the Confederates.
These two individuals are still among the most trusted people in my life. With said nco being more sensitive to blantant racisim than anyone I've known and skull dragging more than one person for improper attitudes towards me along those lines.

That flag hanging in that soldiers personal space is not grounds for any action on your part. That soldiers actions are the only thing that you should consider.

Response by SSG Ryan Rink made Jul 21 at 2018 7:35 PM

SSG Ryan Rink — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:35:31 -0400

Okay the war was because racism (for you slow people, secession had nothing to do with it), the Flag is racist (only if your black), the North didn't own slaves and Jim Crow is Jesus. (Hands balled in fist trying to get a big truck to blow his horn).
Now one of you for or against, change it or continue to live your miserable life in the past.
Here I'll help you, shut up and move out, you can't change the past and if you can well Jim Crow it's nice to meet you.
The only way to change it is not repeat it, now what are you willing to do to move forward.

Smartass replies from any race or rank, well I'll give it to you before your post. FU and meet my friend the middle finger telling you that your number 1

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Jul 21 at 2018 10:41 PM

SSG Michael Scott — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 22:41:37 -0400

It is part of America’s history. It is a go!

Response by PO2 David Allender made Jul 22 at 2018 9:55 PM

PO2 David Allender — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:55:00 -0400

I would ask them to remove it and not show it any more. That it is offensive to some people. If there is a 2nd time then I would get tough with them.

Response by SGT Cyndi Weaver made Jul 24 at 2018 9:39 AM

SGT Cyndi Weaver — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:39:17 -0400

I believe that we can't be ruled by what others may find "offensive." For eight years, Americans have been told a certain group takes "offense" at pretty much all our country's values and we had to stand by while laws protecting illegal immigrants and so called "refugees," have deprived us of our inherent rights. The biggest, and most insane, is the banning of displaying our Nation's flag outside our homes.A ban put in place by certain home owner associations, for fear of "offending" a certain group from countries not friendly to the US. It is fine for them to fly their flags, threaten Americans in public, and use our Constitution for their gain at our expense. Where is the logic in this?
If someone is offended by our laws, they have that right, but we also, as Americans, should have more of a right to keep our values and traditions, to display our flag proudly, and not stay silent when we are threatened.
My ancestors fought for the Confederacy. The Confederate Flag, though offensive to some, is not about slavery. It was all about defending our Southern Country, but I understand how some consider it a symbol of an institution that was already dying when the War broke out. But to others like myself, it is a reminder that our families fought and died for a Cause. It is a part of American history and a reminder of the sacrifices our families made; the same sacrifices made by the Yankees. Why should we let that go because someone takes offense?
If that flag was found during barracks inspection, and no one had complained, then it should be left alone.
Just my opinion, but I am really tired of hearing how we "offend" others while what we have to say doesn't count.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 10:58 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:58:23 -0400

Common sense actually says that you have no business assuming that it shouldn't be there...

Response by SrA Christopher Gatzka made Jul 26 at 2018 1:03 AM

SrA Christopher Gatzka — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 01:03:48 -0400

It's culture related. I wouldn't have done a thing about it. I don't know much about it. But I know enough that those who have that flag aren't really negative people. Just because they display the flag doesn't mean their bad people. Some people find it as southern heritage. Maybe in the 1800s it was bad to be related in that flag. But for the most part I don't think it is. I use to get mad when I saw someone display that flag when I was in high school on their truck in El Paso TX. which was sorta weird. But you learn a bit more and you become more wiser about things.

Response by SFC Bob Brown made Jul 26 at 2018 5:16 AM

SFC Bob Brown — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 05:16:29 -0400

The battle flag is part of military history and should be allowed anywhere. .....The flag of the confederacy actually is more like the Georgia State flag has changed to in order to get away from the battle flag.....leave it alone....USARMY Retired......

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jul 27 at 2018 3:12 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Fri, 27 Jul 2018 03:12:22 -0400

Nothing, just remind him it offends some people.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 11:37 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:37:10 -0400

The japs are still racists

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2018 1:17 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:17:03 -0400

I would suggest the following course of action: calm the F down. The rebel flag has only recently been a product of pop culture as a symbol of “hate”. Maybe he’s a historian. Maybe he’s a non conformist. Regardless, it’s his prerogative. Judge a man on his actions and performance.

Response by SSgt James Tadlock made Aug 2 at 2018 2:53 PM

SSgt James Tadlock — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:53:38 -0400

Born and raised in the south. Lived in Charleston, lived in Savannah during the 50's, lived in Montgomery during 50's. Went to on base military schools Bentwaters England. History is great. I love history, but we should learn from history. The ocean is eroding Old Fort Sumter away. I think that there should be all the respect in the world for the soldiers of the Civil War, but for Heaven's sake let it go. It's over folks. Oh, I forgot; born and raised up in Mississippi.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 7:37 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 19:37:09 -0400

Based on this video, being expressed by a active duty USMA professor for PragerU, I would say remove it. In addition, to that AR 600-20 would tell you that perceived racism is enough to take action.
https://youtu.be/pcy7qV-BGF4

Was the Civil War About Slavery?

What caused the Civil War? Did the North care about abolishing slavery? Did the South secede because of slavery? Or was it about something else entirely...pe...

Response by SFC Joh Williams made Aug 6 at 2018 7:41 AM

SFC Joh Williams — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:41:12 -0400

Do nothing, it is a part of America’s history

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2018 2:43 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 14:43:22 -0400

I would let the flag stay. The War between the States was fought primarily about state's rights. The southern states had the right to secede. The president of the US and the northern states disagreed. The southern states' battle flag is a proud reminder that the federal government is not supposed to be all-powerful.
Nevertheless, it is necessary that the US abolished slavery. The US was one of the earlier countries to abolish slavery. Middle Eastern and African countries are among the last to adopt legislation abolishing slavery.
My perspectives are as follow. I am first generation of either family line that is born in the US. According to ancestry.com genetic testing I have 23% american indian, a lot of southern european ancestry, and a touch of Senegalese ancestry. Probably my ancestors include slaves. Most of us have slave ancestors. I have lived in a dozen US states and worked in half of them. I have lived in the US, Europe and the Middle East (not in a military role, but on the economy). I was born in Oklahoma and eventually retired from USAF reserve as O-6. Richard Peralta

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2018 12:33 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:33:07 -0400

I thought a little more about this after my previous post. I would take a walk with the soldier, and try to understand why the trooper wants to post the flag. Probably their motivation has nothing to do with racism. If racism is a reason, help the trooper understand the harm of racism for the constitutional republic that is the U.S., and how it might drive away potential friends. If racism is not a reason, consider giving the soldier the opportunity to describe the flag's personal significance, to other barracks residents. A strong and moral rationale will increase mutual respect.

Response by MSG Biran Colwell made Aug 12 at 2018 12:10 PM

MSG Biran Colwell — Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:10:48 -0400

The rebel flag is a part of History, The Civil War and our society is destroying history like it is a disease. When does the madness STOP. So do we get rid of the American Flag for the same reason, NO. Our Nation and Military are getting soft, if not liked they protest. I see NO Violation, I hope to see an Understanding Command. Best of luck and Gods Speed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2018 11:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:38:17 -0400

It sounds like senior NCOs need to get to know their soldiers better. Have a conversation with the soldier and discover the intent. Knee-jerk reactions rarely solve the problem and usually cause friction and strife. If soldiers are old enough to sign and take the oath, then they are old enough to be treated like adults. You know...the whole dignity and respect concept.

Response by PO3 John Faria made Aug 13 at 2018 3:38 PM

PO3 John Faria — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:38:07 -0400

A few weeks ago somebody got attacked because they were wearing a Foreign Flag.Puerto Rico Flag attacker didn't know it is an American Territory. But Why bother learning anything just hate what you can't even define.. you too ignorant and intolerant to learn.Hate for the sake of hate.

Response by PV2 John Rieger made Aug 14 at 2018 12:34 AM

PV2 John Rieger — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:34:16 -0400

I mean there are those that would say the dukes of hazard is a racist movie because the car has the confederate flag on it. The people who also make that point are ignorant to history. Point being, lets say you remove the flag. Now you have a probably pissed off soldier and for what reason, because you thought it might be offensive and/or disruptive to the unit. If we as Americans tried to avoid disrupting, angering, or vexing in any way other people we would all just sit in our houses all day. You can't try to "fix" something that isn't broken because inevitably you break it. So my only thing I guess I have left to say is that unless you have someone come forward with the flag being a problem then there isn't anything you should do.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2018 2:50 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:50:17 -0400

It’s US history. I wouldn’t do anything at all.

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Aug 16 at 2018 11:25 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:25:36 -0400

As long as it is not in the Public Domain (common areas, etc.,) just carry on.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Aug 16 at 2018 4:06 PM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:06:17 -0400

A flag, any flag is just a piece of cloth with a pattern sewn on it. Individuals give it it's purpose meaning, and reason. To argue over its relevance is trivial. See it for what it is, not unlike a bumper sticker it's an individual exercising their first amendment right. Right or wrong, smart or stupid it's their right as a free human in America. What would piss you off more a Rebel Flag or an Islamic one, Sharia law or American law? Choose your battles carefully it may be personal to you, but is it personal to this country. If you wear a uniform you defend all aspects of this country past, present, and future. I don't give a poo if I saw a flag with sponge-bob square pants and the nation of Bikini bottom. The only flag I worry about is the one with the 50 stars 13 stripes. The one I was raised to say a pledge to, the one I took an oath to defend!!!

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Aug 19 at 2018 9:18 AM

SFC Ken Heise — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:18:33 -0400

Absolutely nothing.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2018 5:50 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:50:01 -0400

FREEDOM OF SPEECH DONT CARE ASLONG AS YOU ARE NOT DOING RACIST SHIT I COULD CARE LESS

Response by MCPO Katrina Hutcherson made Aug 20 at 2018 4:25 PM

MCPO Katrina Hutcherson — Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:25:16 -0400

Nuff said...

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made Aug 21 at 2018 2:27 PM

PO3 Mike Hayden — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:27:37 -0400

We have at one time or another been at war or in conflict with many countries. Even those now considered our allies. If you rule out one flag you had better rule them all, or you will have issues.

Response by Col Jeffrey Swegel made Aug 22 at 2018 1:26 AM

Col Jeffrey Swegel — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 01:26:25 -0400

It’s NOT “the” confederate flag! It’s the battle standard of Lee! The Confederate flag is the “stars and bars”. The entire conflagration is a result of people who don’t understand history.

Response by COL William Oseles made Aug 24 at 2018 8:06 PM

COL William Oseles — Fri, 24 Aug 2018 20:06:56 -0400

You can very quickly go down the rabbit hole with this one. If you start banning one flag because it offends someone you need to ban all flags as they can offend someone.
Perhaps another route to take is to get people to discuss them instead of banning some of them as offensive while leaving others hanging.

Response by SSgt Ron Lindsey made Aug 26 at 2018 10:35 AM

SSgt Ron Lindsey — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:35:03 -0400

Marine Corps barracks had the minimal adornments possible and made all effort for uniformity. Sergeants and above had individual room and had more liberty of adornment earned by their position but it was still limited.

Response by MSgt Joe Marcom made Aug 26 at 2018 5:21 PM

MSgt Joe Marcom — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:21:04 -0400

I am familiar with the flag, and understand that some individuals and cultures will take offense at anything associated with Rebel history. But if neither the individual nor the flag (in its present location) are disrupting discipline, I would advise letting the flag remain. No culture or heritage should be singled out for what may be seen as an act of retaliation.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Aug 30 at 2018 9:04 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:04:36 -0400

If I find it during a barracks inspection and the barracks rules do not go against it and have had no complaints NOTHING. If you visit someone else's home and they have that flag what would you do? Get up and leave if you don't like it would be the answer I would hope. Barracks rooms are unmarried or unaccompanied Soldiers homes if the landlord ( Commander/1SGT) have rules you follow them if not then shouldn't be a problem until someone that lives there has a valid complaint. I never try to fix something that's not broke.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2018 2:33 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Aug 2018 14:33:34 -0400

i would just verbally councel him, and tell him he needs to remove the flag because although many folks don't have a problem with it, many do. If he didn't comply ASAP, then further discipline, and letters of counceling/reprimand would follow.

Response by SGT Jess Daniels made Sep 1 at 2018 10:18 AM

SGT Jess Daniels — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 10:18:21 -0400

Ok, AR - 600-15,para 2 states basically that the commander can have certain flags removed for good order and discipline. This flag should be seen as part of history. We should always remember our history no matter the different perceptions, lest we repeat history. We cannot hide from these things, we should learn and never forget.

Response by SGT Jess Daniels made Sep 1 at 2018 10:23 AM

SGT Jess Daniels — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 10:23:53 -0400

I would also like to add that there are many people who live in our great nation, but take offense to our flag. These people came here to enjoy the freedoms that we have here. But are offended of are flags, there for our nations flag has been removed in certain areas so to me, it is not just a southern history problem.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Sep 1 at 2018 6:43 PM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:43:08 -0400

Before the military forbids Confederate flags perhaps they ought to rename military installations named after Southern Generals?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2018 10:23 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Sep 2018 22:23:08 -0400

I would do nothing. Of course, I also didn't make it past CPT.

Response by LTC James McElreath made Sep 4 at 2018 1:50 PM

LTC James McElreath — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 13:50:23 -0400

Their should be a unit SOP reguarding what is allowed to hang on the wall. This sop can require you to place a cover over it etc. This sop should include several things like cleanliness, conduct in the building, consequences for not following the SOP.
Many posts are taking the barrack's responsibility from the commander in favor of a military landlord (the base) tenant relationship.

Response by SFC Roger Senatore made Sep 5 at 2018 3:51 PM

SFC Roger Senatore — Wed, 05 Sep 2018 15:51:39 -0400

None.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2018 9:59 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 09:59:50 -0400

This flag is part of our American history and I see no reason to deny this soldier the display of it in his room and it is not displayed above the U.S. Flag (stars n stripes) on the other hand the display of foreign countries flags should should be highly discouraged

Response by MSgt Darren VanDerwilt made Sep 12 at 2018 10:25 AM

MSgt Darren VanDerwilt — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:25:08 -0400

Give me a break, worrying over silly little things like a soccer mom. So, what would your reaction be if it were a Soviet flag? That banner flew over some of the most heinous acts of the 20th century, and there's still a large percentage of our population that thinks socialism is grand. Japanese internment, Trail of Tears, and Wounded Knee, are just some of the events that took place while our own Stars and Stripes fluttered in the wind. Sadder still, the red, white, and blue, is supposed to stand for something more. I say, leave it alone.

Response by PO1 James White made Sep 12 at 2018 11:18 PM

PO1 James White — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 23:18:45 -0400

If the room is clean, everything is properly stowed, there is no fire threat, nothing unhygienic, the rack is made, the trash is out, then why bother with a flag. W

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made Sep 14 at 2018 6:47 PM

LTC Dallas Powell — Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:47:05 -0400

The Confederate flag represents treason first and foremost.

Prove me wrong.

Response by PO1 Robert George made Sep 16 at 2018 10:37 PM

PO1 Robert George — Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:37:26 -0400

Judging by the comments it appears some folks didn't read the whole thing. It was a non-white soldier. What should that tell you? If folks want to get butt-hurt over anything, they'll find something one way or another. I would leave it alone but caution the soldier that some folks may not see it the same way he/she does and conduct themselves accordingly. Damn shame people want to scream and shout rather than discuss and accuse. I've found that the folks that want to lay blame and shame are usually exposing their own prejudices.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 3:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:15:14 -0400

Simple rule of thumb any leader should follow, if you can possibly offend 1 person then you probably shouldn't do it. I don't pretend to know the regulations of what is allowed to be displayed in a barracks room (such as porn) but if it plays by the same rules as a public workplace then I'd say if the potential exists to have an EO or SHARP complaint then it fosters a negative or potentially hostile environment.

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made Sep 18 at 2018 5:42 PM

LTC Dallas Powell — Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:42:09 -0400

Soldiers should not be displaying Confederate flags in the barracks, period. There was actually an official Army policy on this once upon a time -- but I don't recall if it was ever rescinded. If so, carry on.

However, true enough as some have pointed out, the victors write the history. In this case, that's a good thing -- because we don't want traitors to take up arms against the Nation, we don't want racism to exist in America, and more importantly we don't want people to own slaves.

There are plenty of other books out there written by Lost Cause sympathizers and apologists (i.e., not the victors of the war) who say the Civil War was all about States' rights, or economic disparity with the North, or tariffs, or that Southern plantation owners couldn't keep up with supply and demand without slave labor, and every other excuse under the sun to deflect from the real truth which is the undisputed fact that slavery was the primary reason for secession. Sure, the vast majority of Southerners were not slaveholders. Sure, the average Confederate Soldier couldn't have cared less about slavery. Sure, Lincoln emancipated the slaves our of political expediency. So what? All of that is true but none of that matters as much as the real reasons the States seceded in the first place. Without slavery, there would have been no war -- given the climate of the time, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that everything else could have been solved politically. (And let's not forget that European nations abolished slavery without sacrificing >600,000 people to do it.)

There are also plenty of people here who say the Stars and Bars was co-opted by racists as a symbol of hate and it really only means Southern heritage. This argument is also completely without merit. The KKK was started by Confederates who were still fighting the war, and that racism still exists today in the white supremacists all over the South. But if that flag was once used by the Army of Northern Virginia indisputably to advance the cause of slavery (by taking arms up against the Union), how in the world can anyone with any ounce of education whatsoever say that Southern heritage doesn't include slavery? That part doesn't make sense to me, any more than unsweetened tea has any roots in Southern culture. I grew up in the South with grandparents who used the n-word and redneck schoolmates who flew the Confederate flag from their cars. None of it made sense to me then, and now that I'm educated about the War it baffles me that people don't really know what they're doing when they say that Southern heritage and pride have nothing to do with slavery or racism.

And don't tell me that the Confederate statues weren't erected for anything else than blatant racism. All of them were, and every single one belongs in museums and not in the public square, period. Just ask the organizations that erected them during the Jim Crow era, then look up what Robert E. Lee himself said about them.

Yes, the War was about States' rights -- TO OWN OTHER PEOPLE. No amount of dithering and deflection disputes that fact. So if you want to display your second-place trophies at home or your traitor flag on your body when you're not on duty, go right ahead. But Confederate flags have no place in the barracks. it is quite simply unprofessional for any Soldier in the United States Army to display it in anything other but its proper historical context.

The reasons we in the US want those symbols gone from the public are the same reasons the Germans don't allow any Nazi symbols anywhere but museums. We need to teach our children not to forget what real oppression looks like, so they and their children don't allow those mistakes to be repeated.

Response by CW3 Lysle Seelig made Sep 19 at 2018 3:24 PM

CW3 Lysle Seelig — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:24:43 -0400

Unless it is causing problems in the ranks I would do nothing.

Response by SPC Donald L Wilkins made Sep 24 at 2018 12:39 AM

SPC Donald L Wilkins — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 00:39:44 -0400

Not White!

Response by SPC Donald L Wilkins made Sep 24 at 2018 12:48 AM

SPC Donald L Wilkins — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 00:48:40 -0400

What book are you reading. Read A people’s History of the United States.

Response by Cpl Robert Masi made Sep 24 at 2018 7:04 PM

Cpl Robert Masi — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:04:52 -0400

Take no action. No need to take action. The fact that this is a question is proof the PC Disease is in the military now

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2018 12:06 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 00:06:47 -0400

Did someone just comment on this post by comparing the flag of Puerto Rico to this situation with a Confederate flag? You do realize that Puerto Rico is a US territory don’t you? Are you saying display of a US territorial flag is somehow questionable?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2018 12:15 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 00:15:24 -0400

As for a Confederate flag found on display in an installation barracks, it falls under the situation of maintaining good order and discipline. If something is a disruptive influences then that is what would form the basis of the response. I would recommend getting official guidance on the matter from chain of command.

Response by TSgt Bobby Alston made Oct 2 at 2018 6:59 PM

TSgt Bobby Alston — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 18:59:53 -0400

The rebel flag no matter how spin it or how much you want to claim it's your heritage, it was involved in treason against the United States of America. TREASON: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. I think that pretty much explain what the south and those territories that joined them was trying to do. Later the rebel flag was synonymous with hate, bigotry, racism and racial oppression. A symbol that was used by the KKK in their many lynching. So if you are making an argument for, the reason a treasonous racial injustice flag should be hung in a dorm room than one you are already showing your true colors and two why not argue to hang a swastika flag in the dorm?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2018 5:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Oct 2018 17:16:38 -0400

SFC King, overall the answer is simple. If there are no laws, regulations or local (unit) restrictions, this is a non-issue. If the Soldier in question does not display or declare racist activities or group affiliations, there is nothing to do. If falls under a right of expression. If there is further need to question, use the chain of command elevating it to the CDR and 1SG, or even BN CDR and CSM. The other routes available are the JAG or the IG to ensure the Soldier in question is within regulations.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thom made Oct 7 at 2018 6:51 PM

Cpl Ernest Thom — Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:51:15 -0400

You are men. If you allow our history to make you all butt hurt then you need to grow a set! It's a flag! It's a flag that good men fought under! Brothers fought brothers, fathers fought sons, neighbors fought neighbors but in the end Americans fought Anericans! Its American history! Again, if you're all butt hurt over a flag then you are part of the problem!!

Response by SPC Ray Hicks made Oct 8 at 2018 3:46 AM

SPC Ray Hicks — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 03:46:47 -0400

When I first started WOC at Ft. Wolters , TX . In typical military fashion , every one of us were herded out to the staging area where we were given the shake down standing at attention behind candidate Lee Merit . As he emptied his duffle bag for inspection I caught myself " bee dee eyeing " his belongings Oh holy mother I thought the guy had a full sized ..get this Nazi Garrison flag a Nazi flag in Texas 1969 ? this fool won't survive the day . Later I asked him how he pulled it off. As Luck would have it our soon to be new company commander turn out to be a WWII collector as well . one lucky SOB . thank goodness I didn't have any hobbies wtf was that guy thinking? but in all fairness a soldiers prive space should be exactly that "private" preventing him from his history military would cause more individual discord and loss of moral but if he is flaunting it to create racial issues amongst other soldiers is another issue that could lead to overall all loss of unit cohesiveness that can be a problem when my life and possible survival rests in my brothers hand . flags have to take a back seat . whats next ? pink berets ?

Response by Sgt John Fort made Oct 9 at 2018 4:47 PM

Sgt John Fort — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 16:47:48 -0400

If you do not have 100% acceptance then it is something that should not be in a room. If you want to find out if good order and discipline will be affected simply have an old fashioned bull session with your troops where they can ask or answer questions. Respect must always be maintained on both sides of the issue. Most units will find them probably offensive due to the stigma attached even with the alternative history that is offered to justify the use.

Response by LTC James McElreath made Oct 18 at 2018 3:20 PM

LTC James McElreath — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:20:25 -0400

Yes, It may be offensive to some, the soldiers that observe this to be a problem should speak up. If it is offensive to some, than it may be prudent to have the flag owner at a minim cover the flag with a drape. I had personally observed this done but this was for nudity. One might even go so far as to have the soldier place it inside his locker. To outlaw its presents will be challenged by the owner. The soldiers commander will probably need t view whatever is on the walls in his barrack's. Fort Bragg took the barracks away from the commander and his chain of command for the benefit of the soldier. They assigned NCO's living in the barracks to become building fascinators. If there is a building issue all involved meet and discuss a remedy. This was done so the soldier living in the barracks had the ability to call their space home so to speak, without command influence.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Oct 24 at 2018 6:45 PM

SPC Martin Meyer — Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:45:35 -0400

The Civil War Period of our History like all history should be studied and not buried because it was an important part of the history of this country and fought for many reasons and yes slavery was one of those reasons. There were a number of heroes and leaders who served under the Confederate Flag and the American Flag during that time. If we fail to study history as in planning if we fail to plan we will fail. If we fail to study and recognize our history we are destined to make the same mistakes over again instead of moving forward.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2018 10:27 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:27:18 -0400

I can tell you that when I was stationed in Japan, I saw so much disrespect from the Japanese forces toward their own flag during retreat. I think it is because of all the atrocities that occurred during WW2 which was started under the name of the Emperor. I think it is amazing that we continue the practice of stopping whatever we're doing when outside in the open, face the flag or the direction the music National Anthem is coming from, stand at attention with a sharp salute when our nation is also guilty of many bad things done under that flag. I think for us, the idea is though we did some pretty aweful things as a nation, we try to learn from that history and learn to be better than that. We are not a perfect nation be any means. However, these United States have so much going for it that if anyone attempts to invade and take it from us, there are enough of use who wear the uniform and don't who will not think twice to defend it. It does not matter the ethnicity, language and culture of the defenders. We are proud of our home.

So what should be done about the Confederate flag? I think it ought to be left exactly where it is unless it is truly becoming a distraction that causes undue degradation of comradary and unit cohesion. I think we are better than what some believe concerning that flag. Besides, we need reminders of how history with the hope that we will never repeat the terrible history again. If we continue the systematic removal of such reminders, it will only me a matter time that we will see the ugly history become forgotten and then resurface with people wondering how did we get here.

Response by CPO Robert Peirce made Oct 30 at 2018 12:14 AM

CPO Robert Peirce — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 00:14:43 -0400

Leave it alone to do anything is political correctness. That's out now or has anyone told you. Just ask the President.

Response by SPC Bernard Palmer made Oct 31 at 2018 11:15 PM

SPC Bernard Palmer — Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:15:51 -0400

The issue is not with the flag or history - it is with the current pervasive miss understanding of history as perverted by the education and political systems.
That said re-education and training will take too long. So requiring the owner who (one would expect) has a better understanding of history and politics than the offended party to removing the item temporarily (understending it will be years not days or weeks until proper resolution is possible) until the damage to society can be properly repaired is the COs only real path of least resistance at this time.
Unless other portions of the UCMJ and other pertinent policy are being violated which I doubt - no disciplinary action should be necessary.

Response by PO3 Sonny Simms made Nov 3 at 2018 11:13 AM

PO3 Sonny Simms — Sat, 03 Nov 2018 11:13:26 -0400

Nothing should be done. These men fought and died for their units and beliefs. Every military unit has a duty to listen to their superiors. All this PC crap was unheard of then and is now hurting our country.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Nov 7 at 2018 7:09 PM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:09:19 -0500

I had a Confederate flag in my room I was in the barracks waiting on quarters any way we had a big get together. A couple of weeks later we had another get together and I noticed there was a young lady missing so I ask about her. I was told that she considered the flag racist and would not come in the room as long as it is hung up. That's not the way I thought of it but, I took it down right away. The stars and bars people fly is not the flag of the Confederate States the flag most people know is a battle flag only carried by a few battalions. I don't have one now and have not had one since.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Nov 7 at 2018 7:19 PM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:19:22 -0500

Congress in not sure of the date made all veterans of the civil war veterans of the United States north and south.

Response by SFC Jim Erickson made Nov 8 at 2018 10:50 AM

SFC Jim Erickson — Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:50:37 -0500

Were there are specific complaints referring to the flag? Did we need to get Butt hurt over this? Leaders have better places to apply their leadership. Focus on the mission, the task at hand inspections. If you need to bring attention to the flag turn the lesson into a team building symbol, something for all to take pride in.

Response by SGT S C made Nov 9 at 2018 1:07 PM

SGT S C — Fri, 09 Nov 2018 13:07:54 -0500

The flag represents treason. The rebellious acts of the south against the U.S. Government. Was this week or in your history book?

Response by SGT James Colbert made Nov 11 at 2018 9:58 AM

SGT James Colbert — Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:58:00 -0500

i used to work for that 3 star shown in the picture when she was just a "full-bird" Colonel and when she made ASG. I would ask him if it was his, then follow-on with, why is it altered, then i would ask him to take it down. I would have to seek information from the reg and probably the counsel of my chain of command and the Command EO. If he is in violation, i would have to give the verbal warning, followed by a counselling statement about what we talked about, but we wont sign it..i would shelve it..and say in 15 days , it isnt gone, then we go forward with the paper.

Response by SPC Derrick Rage made Nov 13 at 2018 12:55 AM

SPC Derrick Rage — Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:55:48 -0500

I wouldn't do anything. We're the Army, we're here to WAR not sit around and be offended by everything. The enemy doesn't give a shit about your feelings which means you need to train yourself to be stronger than words/symbols and the only thing that can hurt you is dying. That flag does not mean automatic racism or oppression, I'm a northerner and I know this.

Response by PO1 Keith Calhoun made Nov 14 at 2018 9:22 AM

PO1 Keith Calhoun — Wed, 14 Nov 2018 09:22:29 -0500

Its the same as hanging up the Rising Sun . If you want to display the stars and bars do it at home. I am white and lost relatives on both sides , Virginia and Ohio . It is not a flag of freedom .

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made Nov 15 at 2018 12:15 PM

PO3 Mike Hayden — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:15:19 -0500

It really depends on regulations if you can hang one flag, then you should be able to hang the other as nearly all the flags in use today can be linked to some type of atrocity. If you ban one you need to ban them ALL.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Nov 18 at 2018 2:21 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 14:21:40 -0500

Take one-take em all
Leave one-leave em all
You’re either hero or zero

Response by Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux made Nov 25 at 2018 6:34 PM

Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux — Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:34:29 -0500

I don't believe the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was known (historically) as "the Stars and Bars". It might be called that in the present, but I believe the Stars and Bars was the C.S.A. national flag, having a blue field in the upper left corner with a circle of white stars representing the states in the Confederacy and - I think - three horizontal stripes: red, white, red. I think the design of the flag changed three times. Note that I am going from memory here!

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Nov 27 at 2018 7:01 PM

Sgt Robert Gardner — Tue, 27 Nov 2018 19:01:03 -0500

I would do nothing but then I’m not a thin skinned cry baby either.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Dec 1 at 2018 10:05 PM

CW3 Jim Norris — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 22:05:33 -0500

The BS that soldiers worry about astounds me. This politically correct crap destroys unit cohesion, and esprit. The southern culture and warrior ethos should be respected, not denigrated. More Americans died stopping slavery than any two other wars combined. Proud men served on both sides of that conflict and to somehow say that Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson or Pickett where somehow corrupt and should be disrespected is the ultimate folly of the "what just happened now" Americans who know little and understand less about our ongoing struggle to remain Mankind's Last Great Hope on this planet.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Dec 3 at 2018 4:12 PM

SGT Rafael Morales — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 16:12:08 -0500

When I was in Vietnam tanks, jeeps, trucks and other vehicles many times had small confederate flags on the antennas. I even saw a couple of jeeps where there was a flag and the driver was black. I was a damnyankee from NY at the time and never got upset about it, nor did I ever hear any complaints from black soldiers. It was a show of southern pride that was not meant to be offensive and nobody took it as such. Please get a life.

Response by MAJ Stephen Barnard made Dec 6 at 2018 12:19 PM

MAJ Stephen Barnard — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:19:29 -0500

The living space may be owned by the Army, but it's allocated as personal space, and the Soldier living there should be allowed his personal possessions and displays of personality. I suggest your common sense here is wrong, and action is only required if someone sharing the living space complains - and even then, while people have a right to be offended, people also have a right to cause offence. Ask yourself if you're considering a military barracks or a prison cell.

Response by SFC Guy Patten made Dec 6 at 2018 3:59 PM

SFC Guy Patten — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:59:59 -0500

Would have no problem with it.

Response by SrA Jeremy Moody made Dec 9 at 2018 1:35 PM

SrA Jeremy Moody — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:35:17 -0500

I’ve read history books and the flag is racist! No sugar coating needed. Southerners wanted slavery and used the rebel flag for their stance on “rebelling” against the law called the Emancipation Proclamation. If you want to display your bigotry please by all means it’s covered under the 1st amendment but don’t come crying when your ass gets beat by fellow Americans who know exactly what that flag represents.

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Dec 11 at 2018 8:48 PM

SGM Harvey Boone — Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:48:12 -0500

Nothing if it weren't being use to discredit the country like a kkk or something its history nothing more you have to know history to respect such which is a real problem in today's society.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Dec 15 at 2018 9:48 AM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:48:37 -0500

At this point in time the Flag has to go. Suggest the individual keep it on his footlocker but not on the wall, recognizing it may offend some of his fellow troops thus becoming disruptive to the team, it's morale and discipline.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Dec 15 at 2018 10:51 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Sat, 15 Dec 2018 22:51:50 -0500

The Confederate Flag has been ruled on already as protected not only by the First Amendment - freedom of expression / freedom of speech - it is already recognized by the Department of Defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the U.S. Supreme Court - as it is on the state flag of Mississippi, flown not only as a flag within the union but also flown throughout military bases across America along with all other state flags. It is also the flag flown over the graves of all deceased Confederate Soldiers and Sailors at military battlefields in the north and south and in other places across the U.S. Therefore, if a military leader were to take negative action against a Soldier for displaying a Confederate flag, I believe the military leader would receive a letter of caution from JAG and would be instructed to refrain from such behavior that could amount to a list of charges against the NCO or Officer. Back in the 90s, I served in an ROTC unit whose unit crest contained the Confederate Flag. If there had been a problem, the U.S. Army would not have allowed this crest to become official within the Institute of Heraldry. The issue is that people choose to assign their feelings of racism to all sorts of objects, things, words, beliefs, etc.... I had Soldiers who had flags of the African continent, the country of Mexico, the country of Russia, the country of Great Britain, the country of Ireland, the country of Jordan, the island territory of Puerto Rico, the states of Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Texas, North Carolina, New York, Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, California, Arizona, Tennessee, Virginia, the country of Canada, the country of Israel, the country of Vietnam, and flags of different Native American tribal nations, etc. In addition, not once did I have a Native American Soldier inform me that he or she was offended by our U.S. flag, nor did they ask to be removed from having to wear the U.S. flag on their uniform. Given the history of the U.S. Army Cavalry against Native Americans, you would think they would take issue with the American flag, but they not only wore our nation's flag with pride, some of them fought and died for it. None of my troops ever felt the need to kneel before the flag, but they always rendered the proper respect and salute for our flag. When I served in different countries and when we hosted allied nations, we always stood at attention and saluted the national anthem being played before their flags. Bottomline, if I made any one of my troops remove their flags from their rooms - then I would have to make all of them remove their flags. The important thing was that we all wore the same flag on our uniform into battle and each of us were ready - and some of them did lay down their lives for all despite our differences, we all served as Soldiers united in a common unit, a common cause and in the United States Army. As Soldiers - and especially as leaders, we are supposed to rise above the civilian B.S. that divides our nation, and we are supposed to respect our differences because we are sworn to protect and defend this nation, our citizens, and the heritage of all Americans.

Response by TSgt Alex Barkey made Dec 17 at 2018 5:04 AM

TSgt Alex Barkey — Mon, 17 Dec 2018 05:04:38 -0500

The commander can and should make the decision after he/she have reviewed the regulations and have spoken with legal. Also with the political climate of our country almost anything can be offensive to some. But you said the person was a non-white so it gets kinda wierd from there too. I'm from SC so folk in this state have been dealing with the CSA flag and the mentality of some people who display it. But also seen a few people who are black displayed it too. I feel in order to defeat racism first you need to understand it education yourself and people who acting racist too. Try to get to know them and let them know you. Through education and communication with other people fear and hatred will be defeated one person at a time. Just my own opinion. I hope I explained my point of view adequately.

Response by SGT Jason Yago made Dec 22 at 2018 1:07 PM

SGT Jason Yago — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 13:07:10 -0500

I think that why they are flying it MUST be considered. I also don’t think as a leader of soldiers fighting for our FREEDOM you should restrict your soldiers right to express himself freely as long as there is no hateful reason behind its possession

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Dec 22 at 2018 3:29 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 15:29:53 -0500

I feel we spend to much time worrying about little things like this when there are so many important things to deal with. To answer your question “Nothing”! Ponder these thoughts..... I hate slavery. But the Romans used slavery longer than America, Americans almost completely wiped out a race (Indians). But we worry about a flag?

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Dec 22 at 2018 10:17 PM

Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. — Sat, 22 Dec 2018 22:17:40 -0500

I would have ignored it if everyone else is entitled to have personal items. He or she has already taken an Oath to Defend the Constitution (etc.). I might have smiled and said, when are you going to add a flag representing the other 37 states to your collection.

Response by PO1 Michael Trinidad made Dec 24 at 2018 12:56 PM

PO1 Michael Trinidad — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 12:56:47 -0500

I was not born in America but came here with my parents as a child to realize the American Dream. I also grew up in a time when I was NOT permitted to participate in certain activities and events because of the color of my skin. I also experienced diacrimination first hand when my Mastecheif explained that my evaluation scores were low so that other white shipmates could get promoted. It is difficult for some to truly understand this experience unless you have lived it. Now, let's review the basis for these beliefs that have fueled my experience. These same beliefs are at the forefront of those who still support a time when minorities had their place at the back of the bus, entering through the rear of an establishment and viewed as an inferior race. I respectfully request that one should open their eyes and see the true colors of the Rebel flag. I will sacrifice my life to defend any of my fellow servicemen and women without blinking an eye. Color blindness is a wonderful thing.

Response by SSG Thomas Kretz made Jan 9 at 2019 11:31 AM

SSG Thomas Kretz — Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:31:21 -0500

Stupid to even talk about it. Get over it,it’s History and History needs to stay public so we may learn from the past. GOD help us all.

Response by MAJ Seth Goldstein made Jan 10 at 2019 10:30 AM

MAJ Seth Goldstein — Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:30:12 -0500

The 1st SGT in my reserve unit at Camp Parks (2012) had a Confederate flag sticker on his car. I mentioned it to a few soldiers and no one seem to care. Shortly thereafter, a soldier who was recently off active duty said something about it and I told him what I had experienced. For whatever reason white power and hate groups have adopted that flag as their symbol and that's why it's inappropriate. It enviably will cause a hostile work environment.

Response by CDR Anthony Parr made Jan 18 at 2019 6:13 PM

CDR Anthony Parr — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:13:42 -0500

It's the Confederate Army flag, not the flag of the Confederacy that some have a problem with. And only because we allow them to. As a Southerner it's part of my history, as I have Confederate ancestors. Since we understand ALL of the history of the War Between the States, we don't have an off base opinion of the flag. Leave history alone and eventually old history fades into the past like anything else. Only the ignorant don't want others to have their history.

Response by Maj Dov Kawamoto made Jan 21 at 2019 6:46 AM

Maj Dov Kawamoto — Mon, 21 Jan 2019 06:46:56 -0500

Having the benefit of a Mississippi education I can say with confidence “Damn straight... they surrender”

Response by GySgt Thomas Lieb made Jan 23 at 2019 1:46 PM

GySgt Thomas Lieb — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:46:12 -0500

The history of the war between the states was originally "written" by the South, when every speech, news paper item and Article of Secession declared the conflict (and subsequently the war) was about the right of the superior race to own, enslave and engage in the trade the people of the inferior races. Therefore, this is essentially what the rebel flag stands for.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jan 25 at 2019 8:21 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Fri, 25 Jan 2019 20:21:04 -0500

unless you've had complaints about it; I'd leave it alone. Although it seems to be up to you removing it just appears to be a real nice way of creating dissension .

Response by Maj Martin Smith made Jan 27 at 2019 1:07 PM

Maj Martin Smith — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:07:22 -0500

We are the only country in the world where the flag of a defeated armed rebellion against the parent state is allowed to be publicly displayed. While I am at it, why are there no Army forts named after Marshall, Eisenhower, Patton and Ridgeway for starters instead of officers who participated in an armed rebellion against the United States?

Response by SGT Patrick Brandt made Jan 27 at 2019 2:46 PM

SGT Patrick Brandt — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:46:29 -0500

The soldier should be reprimanded based on the erroneous statement on the flag, as those colors did, in fact, run. (they surrendered)

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Jan 27 at 2019 5:57 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:57:53 -0500

When you say "Rebel" flag, which flag are you referring to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
The flag I can live with because it can be used as a teaching tool for: History, The US Constitution, Civics. It frustrates me more that very few people are willing to talk about Che' Guevara and what he and Fidel Castro did to a nation, yet we see many service members of Latin American decent wearing some apparel and not aware of his politics.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Che-Guevara

Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia

Three successive designs served as the official national flag of the Confederate States of America (the "Confederate States" or the "Confederacy") during its existence from 1861 to 1865.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 11:35 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:35:03 -0500

The same thing I would do for every barracks policy violation. Usually barracks policies state what can, or can't be hung or displayed in reference to flags. If you are going to be strict with this SM's flag, make sure you are fair and impartial. If it does not violate the barracks policy, you can only communicate your opinion with the SM, on how this might cause a problem with soldiers that view this flag in a different way.

Response by Sgt Tom Verify made Jan 28 at 2019 12:18 PM

Sgt Tom Verify — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 12:18:13 -0500

The rebel, or confederate, flag was a symbol of a violent rebellion against the Federal government that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American citizens on both sides of the issue. No brainer. It should not even be legal to have on. I was born and raised in the south.

Response by CPT Phil Bronner made Jan 28 at 2019 2:28 PM

CPT Phil Bronner — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 14:28:18 -0500

Apparently, your young trooper may have a better handle on history than many of his peers!
Mr. Lincoln's War was to "preserve the union" (in violation of the Constitution.) The States created the Federal Government and agreed to the Constitution, which LIMITED the powers of the federal (not national) government. There was no prohibition for states to LEAVE the union. The war need not have happened, and over 1 million casualties would not have occurred, had Lincoln accepted that fact. Free blacks were militia members in southern states. In fact, Obama's friend Louis Henry Gates' 3-year search for a black veteran of Gettysburg found only one, but he fought for a Louisiana Infantry Regiment, was wounded on Day 2's attack on Cemetery Hill and lost an arm! The usual history, if taught, glosses over, or completely ignores that slavery was still legal in DC, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, "West" Virginia (unconstitutionally created in 1863), and Missouri. In fact, in 1862, Lincoln's IRS began taxing slave sales in those states to help "fund the war." The Emancipation Proclamation ONLY freed slaves in the Confederate States of America, (not the northern slave states!). Which is kinda ballsy if you think about it....freeing slaves in another country! And it wasn't until then (1863) that free blacks were allowed to join the Union Army (something free blacks were doing in the "rebel" army since 1861.) Slavery wasn't really an issue for Lincoln for the war, until horrendous losses caused a need for manpower, which also included the first draft, (4th amendment anyone?) and subsequent riots in major cities.
The so-called "Confederate Flag" is not the "National" flag of the Confederacy..but the Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Other Armies (such as the Army of the Tennessee, etc) each had their own battle flag. The war was fought by Americans. On both sides. Many of the actions of the "victors" were reprehensible and are glossed over by the "education" system. You need to do your own research on this period, for sure. Had there been no Constitutional violations in pursuing an unjust war, it never would have occurred, and a battle flag would not, today, be an issue. Any soldiers stationed at Forts Benning, Bragg, AP Hill, Lee, Hood, Gordon, Polk, Rucker, Pickett, or Camp Beauregard should probably realize that all those posts are named for Confederate military leaders. (Despite attempts in Congress to erase that history!) We need more educated people with thicker skins. Where ignorance reigns, everyone gets wet!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 4:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:01:15 -0500

Personally, I find severe misunderstanding about the Rebel Flag, and the tainted history publicized about the Civil War. The vast majority of those that are protesting Confederate Flags, Statues, and other Monuments are totally ignorant to the REAL HISTORY of that War. Confederate Soldiers were AMERICANS and were officially recognized as such. Their battles and monuments are just as important to US History as those of the Union Army. As far as what I would do about the Flag in the room, I would ask the soldier about the history of his flag and why he displays it. Then I would thank him for the information, tell him to carry on, and leave the room

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 10:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 22:02:29 -0500

Unless there is an installation or unit policy prohibiting it, no.
Commander decides what is detrimental to the good order and discipline of the unit.

Response by SFC Steven Raymond Thompson made Jan 28 at 2019 10:58 PM

SFC Steven Raymond Thompson — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 22:58:01 -0500

SSG Gerhardt Seidel, the flag in question is the CSA BATTLE FLAG, (without the eagle and wording, of course) not the Stars and Bars. That is actually the nickname of the 1st National Flag, of which there were 3.

Response by PO2 Mario Lofaro made Feb 2 at 2019 11:26 PM

PO2 Mario Lofaro — Sat, 02 Feb 2019 23:26:00 -0500

Let's just look at where this b.s. started! It started with a president and his ilk doing their damndest to split this country 7+ ways from Sunday. How's about we reset the damn clock on all the b.s., and move on smartly. I'm retired now, but when I was in uniform, I knew that I did not have a right to not be offended now and again...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2019 4:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Feb 2019 16:07:40 -0500

i wouldve told them its cool since its in their room but outside that aint something i would approve of cause it offends my people nothing about that flag gives me a "southern heritage" vibe when you have certain groups of people that fly the flag and do things to my kind so yea

Response by SrA Jason Adams made Feb 5 at 2019 8:43 PM

SrA Jason Adams — Tue, 05 Feb 2019 20:43:20 -0500

If you start making people take down the "confederate flag" you should also make people take down Mexican flags, Japanese flags, British, French, etc. Anyone's flag the US has ever fought against should be taken down. While you're at it, there are lots of bases that need to be renamed because they were named after confederates. Where does it end?
Before you do all that though you should research the real reasons the American Civil War was fought. Yes, part of it was slavery, but only 4% of people in the south owned slaves. Why were all of the other people fighting? Surely not to keep their slaves because they didn't own any.
Someone else said in a previous reply that you should do nothing, inform the Commander of it and advise him/her on whether or not the flag is causing any problems among the other soldiers. Let the Commander take it from there. It's their job to decide, your job to inform.

Response by PO1 Mary Vermont made Feb 7 at 2019 6:18 PM

PO1 Mary Vermont — Thu, 07 Feb 2019 18:18:54 -0500

None its his room. If someone doesnt like it stay out of his room

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Feb 14 at 2019 2:51 PM

SSG Greg Miech — Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:51:53 -0500

The flags, patches, decals mementos one displays can always be insult to someone due to their personal background and current events. A battle flag may represent the strong history of one's beliefs or what their family fought under, however another group may have used it as symbol for their hatred or beliefs others are not necessary the beliefs of the person displaying the flag. Other than causing a health or fire code violation I do not see a problem with the person displaying their ideals for it is one of the rights we have. If it is an open three man room perhaps a compromise of a confederate flag in the door of the locker. Some beliefs will always insult someone or for those looking for the power to make changes through their complaints.

Response by SFC Joseph A. Anderson made Feb 17 at 2019 1:03 PM

SFC Joseph A. Anderson — Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:03:18 -0500

This country has become so politically correct now days that it is crazy. Who gives a rats ass as to who has what flag displayed in their room. As long as it is not a current enemy of the United States, what difference does it make. There is no harm in a flag. Because I grew up in the South, we had the REBEL flag along side the US Flag. They both were the same to me. Flags. Just that. Flags. I joined the US Military because I love this country and want to preserve our way of life and the freedoms I grew up with. I see each day that they are being taken away and it disturbs me. Yet here we are discussing a flag. Really? We have much more to discuss. Just my two cents.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Feb 26 at 2019 4:47 PM

SSG Ken Gilder — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:47:41 -0500

This is from the "Bill of No Rights." Authorship has been attributed to several individuals:

ARTICLE II:
You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the World is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Feb 26 at 2019 4:48 PM

SSG Ken Gilder — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:48:03 -0500

Duplicate post removed.

Response by PO1 Douglas Shonk made Feb 28 at 2019 10:55 PM

PO1 Douglas Shonk — Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:55:20 -0500

NONE. “PC” mentality.

Response by PO3 Rod Arnold made Mar 1 at 2019 2:19 AM

PO3 Rod Arnold — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 02:19:57 -0500

In my opinion PC does not belong in the military. If the Confederate flag is hurting feelings I say suck it up buttercup. That flag is part of our history. Whiney hurt butt military personnel probably shouldn't be in the military!! Like I said it's just my opinion.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 3 at 2019 9:00 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 21:00:01 -0500

A tattoo of the CSA's battle flag is a personnal preferance. Yes, others will be offended in many ways. Yes your commander can quote the regulations. But I remember going thru race relations class back in 1974, while stationed at Little Rock AFB, in Arkansas. The instructor told of a time when he coached high school football, one if his players had a confederate flag sewn on his uniform jersey. The player thought it might offend the opposing team. His team was from Alabama and they were playing a team in Kentucky. The coach told this player "You're from Alabama, right?" "Yes." The player replied. "Then" said the coach "go out there, and show them your pride in your school, your state and your country". Although the flag represented several states that divided themselves over several issues with the federal government. They still clung to the colors of red, white and blue. They might have called themselves southereners, but they were still Americans. The instructor of the class is black in skin color, but he too was from Alabama. I say keep your flag in a frame, remember that your an American citizen, have pride in both your state and country.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 8:02 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 08:02:39 -0500

I was born in Delaware and raised in Virginia. I Joined the Marine Corps in 1963 and retired in 1987 with the Rank of GySgt. I carried the Confederate with me to every duty station including the 3 tours I did in Viet Nam. Today, my flag is folded along with the Stars & Stripes and lies on the back seat of my car when I travel. It's our history and my right as an American. If someone on the Left has a problem, It's their problem, NOT MINE.
Semper Fi

Response by PO3 David Davis made Mar 7 at 2019 6:52 PM

PO3 David Davis — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:52:48 -0500

If its the Virginia Battle flag. its not a rebel Flag. no one fly's the Confederate flag that i have seen. it is a distinct difference. i would not do anything. a Virginia Battle flag was hanging on the wall in my buddies barracks. fair game.

Response by LTC Audrey Macleod-Pfeiffer made Mar 7 at 2019 10:56 PM

LTC Audrey Macleod-Pfeiffer — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 22:56:45 -0500

I would check with JAG before taking any action to remove it. I would also ask the NCO's if anyone in the barracks reported being offended by the flag. However even before that I'd ask what does the actual symbolism and statement mean. The Eagle represents the US, the rebel colors with "these colors don't run" tells me the soldiers represented by this flag are not going to run when serving their country-they will stand their ground. Could others interpret it as the South will rise again-so again I ask what is the flag saying?

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2019 7:26 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 07:26:19 -0500

Anyone defending this flag because of what has been done under our own flag is ridiculous. There are no statues or memorials for Benedict Arnold in this country FOR A REASON. Traitors should get no such treatment, especially with a flag and what it represents. We STILL are split as a nation because the old Confederate mindset is being pushed as if it's heritage only. BULL! The flag of those who were traitors has no place in our armed services, PERIOD.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Mar 8 at 2019 12:21 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 12:21:39 -0500

A non-white (hard to interpret) displays basically a poster that notates bravery, maybe his families geographical location, there is no defamatory statement or other vulgarity, there is no radical behavior displayed by the soldier, and it is hanging in his room, I would leave it. If you find the poster/flag a bit troubling you may let the Soldier know your thoughts on the matter. However, I would leave it to his option whether to take it down. Something that may be underlying your concern over displaying the flag, is there racial divisiveness in the unit? If there is then the best way to work through it is head on and not through sensitivity training, but open organized discussion and debate between the NCOes. This is where you will get a true sense of the depth of any racial divisiveness. It also may reveal organizational or personal bias. Through this process I discovered situations that I was blind to, if for no other reason than we have always done it that way.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2019 2:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 14:02:37 -0500

From my perspective the proper action would have been to ask both soldiers to remove their flags or to allow both flags to fly.

Corrections made must be equal and impartial and in both cases it would have not favoured any one group.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Mar 8 at 2019 3:52 PM

SGT Daniel Myers — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 15:52:49 -0500

I could care less that a person have a good old johnny reb flag anywhere PROVIDED he's not an evowed racist, then I would have a moral obligation to take the flag down and kick his ass back to his mama's womb! I loved living in the south, the customs, the way of life everything about it, and will get back there again one day. People need to realize this whole civil war and the politics behind it, came from the people who were unwilling to free their slaves in the first place! Those people of course were the democrats who fought tooth and nail the republican bid to free the slaves. The republicans were aslo seeking to arm the slaves for their own protection because a splinter group created by the democrats known as the KKK, was terrorizing them and killing them. That group would later come to be known as the NRA.

Response by SPC Les Darbison made Mar 8 at 2019 7:11 PM

SPC Les Darbison — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 19:11:10 -0500

Good order and Discipline is always a part of leadership. ( Thinking ) someone might have their feelings hurt isn't leadership, you know in this instance the flag has nothing to do with racism. Why are you perpetuating the PC policies that are destroying free speech and individual freedom? And I find your comment this trooper wasn't white as offensive. Are you saying if a white person had this flag it would be racist? This was the flag of the Democrat party up untell just a few years ago. PPL erase too much history. The freedom train was run by white PPL, White PPL fought and died to end slavery. And White Christian Conservatives voted for and won civil liberties for all Americans in the early 60ties.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2019 9:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 21:40:28 -0500

If the commander hasn't posted his policy then there is nothing wrong. If his or her roommate has not said anything then just check room to make sure it clean and orderly and walk out.

Response by SN Brian Huddleston made Mar 9 at 2019 11:13 AM

SN Brian Huddleston — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 11:13:56 -0500

You know, back in the 70s when the stars and bars was on the hood of the "General" in Dukes of Hazard, a show I loved as a kid, I did not think it was a racist symbol. Yes I am a Southerner and this was rural Arkansas. But now is a different time and place and American culture has changed somewhat, as well as military culture since my time in the late 70s and early 80s. These days, the only folks I know or am acquainted with that still think it is a good idea to wear or display the stars and bars either don't know and don't care that is widely viewed as a racist symbol, or they appear to me to be actual racists. To be clear, I don't know any of the folks posting here and am certainly not implying that everyone that currently is still actually flying the stars and bars is unknowing, uncaring, or racist.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2019 12:34 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 12:34:14 -0500

It is not a violation unless there is written policy from your Company et not authorizing items to be hanged on the walls? If pictures poster, American Flags et can be hanged then so can the Confederate Flag. The last Regime created the Hate environment and labeled the Flag as Hate. It is Heritage, My GGGrandFather was 4th AL Calvary, Col AA Russell, He left the country and started a coffee plantation rather than swearing allegiance to the butchering Union. Shame to see the Socialist activity in this country but our Kids are be indoctrinated in schools and by our Government.
Apologize for the History but the Hate labeling seems to be one sided. Let it Hang!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2019 3:16 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:16:50 -0500

Flags comming down, despite what it represents today,which is not positive it was a flag of treason of its time. Honestly hanging a swaztika is about the only thing i would consider worse.

Response by Cpl Corey Hallowell made Mar 9 at 2019 3:24 PM

Cpl Corey Hallowell — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:24:56 -0500

None. When i was in you could walk into alot of rooms and see flags hanging. I had an oregon flag hung in my room. Whats it matter if someone is proud of where they are from.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2019 1:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 13:56:46 -0400

My unit still considers the flag as our battle flag to this day and everyone was proud of it. We are still called Morgan's Men.
The real point I want to make though is the civil war wasnt fought over slavery. It all started over taxes. The North was basically doing the same to the South as the British was doing to the colonies. I'm sorry if this does have any merit for this conversation, but I like to be know the war had nothing to do with slavery at first. It really was discussed until a couple of years in, if memory serves. Then it was thrown into Lincoln's reelection campaign.

Response by SGT Terry Walton made Mar 10 at 2019 2:36 PM

SGT Terry Walton — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:36:10 -0400

I had ancestors that were officers in the Army of Northern Virginia. The point of comparing the Puerto Rican or Japanese flags as the same is a false equivalent. Both those places exist and do not mean what they may have meant in the past. The Stars and Bars no longer signifies a current regime or army. And you can stop with the false lost cause stuff. I have read just about every book published and took many classes on the Civil War. For the South it was all about being able to keep slaves. Their economy was agrarian and heavily dependent on slave labor. The individual CSA soldier fought because he was already in the state militia or was conscripted. People identified with their state rather than country back then. But if you want to show the Southern flag you should show the one that really mattered, the last one they flew. The white one.

Response by SPC Kevin Musa made Mar 10 at 2019 4:31 PM

SPC Kevin Musa — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:31:49 -0400

Freedom of expression and speech is important. However in the army they own you you are their property. Just remember that. I served, I know.

Response by Jack McCracken made Mar 10 at 2019 8:26 PM

Jack McCracken — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:26:40 -0400

Does the fact that the “Rebel” flag is, historically and specifically The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, raised for the purpose of waging war against The United States factor into this, aside any other political, social or racial implications?

I’ve seem comparisons made to the

Puerto Rican Flag-a huge and glaring false equivalency. The Flag of Puerto Rico is the official flag of a United States territory, making it an official Flag of The United States. It is not a foreign flag.

Some states due indeed feature the “Rebel” flag by their own prerogative as states. What symbolism (or lack thereof) is implied by the decision to do so falls upon law makers within these individual states to determine...for their own glory or peril or neither. But it is outside the prerogative of the federal government of the United States to decide this for them. While in the case of PR, entirely the sole prerogative of The United States.

So, no...the Puerto Rican flag isn’t in the same category. I’m admittedly no expert but because of the legal status of Puerto Rico’s flag, it wouldn’t surprise me if it could be legally (and ethically) problematic for a commander to unreasonably restrict its display.

The Confederate flag does not fall into any such category.

A state flags featuring it?

Maybe...probably.

One could possibly make a similar case, vid-á-vis The Union Jack, The Spanish Flag, The Japanese Flag, The Nexican Flag or at least some versions of them.

After all, these flags once opposed the United States in battle as well...

The UK and Spain are NATO Allies now, so prolly not a problem, right?

Would it be ok If one displays the national colors of his/her ancestral homeland but not “battle flags” once flown in combat against us?

If so, maybe the National Flag of The CSA might be more appropriate for a present day member of The United States Military to display to show their affinity for their precious and sacred Southerness?

Japan is an ally now. But the “rising sun” war ensign? It is flown next to our flag in Naval exercises, still the flag of the bad guys?

And so on and so forth.

This all becomes tedious fast.

The trouble is, our symbols matter and as sucha little tedium matters particularly, if we’re deciding what we’re all about and why.

I understand the arguments in favor of displaying The Confederate Flag.

I understand (most) of the arguments against it.

Unfortunately, i find the fact that the Rebel flag flew for a specific purpose (all other arguments aside), e.g. as the War Flag of an army formed specifically to wage war against the United States of America to be enough a reason to render in inappropriate for use by members of The US military, on US federal government property while serving in any official capacity.

But no one ask me, soooo...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2019 12:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 00:23:39 -0400

I would nit take any action as during my time in servuce it was common in about 80 percent of the barracks rooms in every unit I had the privilege to be assigned to serve

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Mar 11 at 2019 2:35 AM

1SG Michael Farrell — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:35:52 -0400

This particular case is definitely odd. It's impossible and ignorant to not discuss the issues of slavery with the issues concerning the Civil War. For the South, the war was about fear of slavery being forbidden at sometime in the future. The Union was most interested in preserving the Union and as Lincoln said, "If I could save the union by freeing all the slaves, I would; if I could preserve the union by freeing some of the slaves, I would; if I could preserve the union by freeing all of the slaves, I would." Chance for an actual discussion and a bit of actual education in thsis one.

Response by SSG Mark Lawless made Mar 11 at 2019 10:28 AM

SSG Mark Lawless — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:28:47 -0400

Regardless what flag was used, once it was modified it was no longer a flag. I see no problem with it.

Response by SFC Patricia Zechel made Mar 11 at 2019 10:42 AM

SFC Patricia Zechel — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:42:27 -0400

If AR 600-15 says a commander has the right have certain flags and ect removed to maintain good order and discipline, then that commander should follow through on what the AR states.

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Mar 11 at 2019 12:45 PM

SSG Kevin McCulley — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:45:19 -0400

Since bring a communist can get you commissioned... Nothing

Response by MSgt William Shimmin made Mar 11 at 2019 2:03 PM

MSgt William Shimmin — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:03:35 -0400

Is the flag presenting a Tangible negative impact; has anyone made a compliant against the display(within a persons living quarters), articulating with justification in how the flag has caused them personal harm, created a negative work environment, negatively impacted their daily ability to function, prevented them from accomplishing a goal/task, or is it simply a matter of political correctness being pushed based off Federal EEO description of "in the perceptions of the receiver"?

YOU state: "While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there". Your statement alone speaks to bias (personal perception), being the litmus test. The DOD as a whole is rife with broad subjectivity in interpretation of regulation when it comes to EEO policy and regulation due it's fluid social nature and external influence by politicians.

Response by SGT David Racette made Mar 12 at 2019 1:45 AM

SGT David Racette — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 01:45:47 -0400

It is my understanding that the Rebel Flag as it is referred to is a battle flag of the confederacy, not a flag of a nation or country, was conceived solely as a battle flag.
Some would say it promotes hatred, and is racist. YET several Back soldiers who fought for the confederacy didn't see it as that, AGAIN it was just a battle flag, since the war ended ideas have changed as to what the flag represents. It doesn't piss me off ,like seeing people flying flags from other countries,

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Mar 12 at 2019 4:12 PM

SGT Robert Martin — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:12:51 -0400

How this is even a thing baffles me. I don't see the Army removing battle streamers from unit guidons. I'd be upset if they did. Our military has done more to spread freedom, and protect those in need than any other military in history. This country may not be perfect, but we try daily to get as close as possible. Your flag isn't nor has it ever been racist. There have been groups both good and, bad that have tried to claim the rebel flag as their own. The " rebel" flag on your shoulder means what you want it to nothing more or less. Since it isn't visible when your in uniform it should be a non-issue. If it gets brought up I'd go with "quit watching me shower, and you won't see it anymore"

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2019 7:18 PM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:18:31 -0400

People do need to read the history about the true meaning behind the so called rebel flag. There's much more to it besides hate, etc. Yes, read a book.

Semper fi,

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2019 10:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:02:13 -0400

I dont think of that as an issue, I mean our barracks in the past have hosted every state flag, the de zavala Texas flag, the Confederate battle flag (what everyone seems to know as the rebel flag) and even the actual stars and bars (the actual flag for the Confederate states, stars in a ring on a blue field with three stripes, red, white, red), come and take it, dont tread on me, you name it. Nobody cared. Regs leave it up to commanders discretion so as long as it isnt an issue then it isnt an issue.

Response by PO1 Richard Norton made Mar 13 at 2019 12:25 PM

PO1 Richard Norton — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:25:31 -0400

If its in the persons room and not specifically forbidden then I don't see the problem. As was mentioned above; what may be offensive to some may not be to others.

Response by Sgt Mathew Larsell made Mar 13 at 2019 1:35 PM

Sgt Mathew Larsell — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 13:35:10 -0400

Its still a part of state flags in many states of the south. So how is it ok to have it emblazoned on state flags, State ID's and State License plates for example, but not something someone can posses on their person? I guess ignorance is bliss

Response by CPO Mike Riley made Mar 13 at 2019 11:09 PM

CPO Mike Riley — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:09:02 -0400

Absolutely none! It's time to grow up.

Response by Lt Col Tom Best made Mar 14 at 2019 11:43 AM

Lt Col Tom Best — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:43:59 -0400

It's not a rebel flag... it's a Confederate Battle Flag. And it represents the proud service and sacrifice of those who fought for the Confederacy. Yes, indeed, it's time for people to understand the slavery was not the central issue leading to war. It was the culmination of four decades of intense sectional conflict, and reflected deep-seated economic, social, and political differences between the North and the South. I am dismayed by the fact that so many are ignorant of actual American history.

Response by PO2 Roger O'Day made Mar 14 at 2019 3:28 PM

PO2 Roger O'Day — Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:28:50 -0400

I’d be willing to bet that Reg is not very old.
I wasn’t Army.
The colors are Red White and Blue.
Politics tells me the Reg was written with that specific flag in mind.
But they did infact leave that door open.
If the soldier is not a jackwagon, and is only displaying it in his room, I believe I would leave it.
If someone gets offended by it, I would get a reason.
Weigh it out and decide.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Mar 17 at 2019 11:52 AM

SFC Jim Ruether — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:52:56 -0400

I would get some Tennessee Rye Whiskey out and drink a toast to Gen Robert E. Lee!

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Mar 19 at 2019 2:30 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 02:30:54 -0400

Stop being a pussy. This question offends me. Does the Hawaiian flag offend you? Commie-fornia flag offend anyone with how anti American they are? NY flag? Fuck sake

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2019 11:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 23:29:18 -0400

Lol, get a grip.

Response by SFC Domingo M. made Mar 25 at 2019 10:49 AM

SFC Domingo M. — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:49:54 -0400

If the flag was in his/her personal belongings it should be nobody's business. If displayed and someone complained, then you should seek a remedy, until then, some things should be off limits.

Response by Nancy Ashley made Mar 26 at 2019 2:42 PM

Nancy Ashley — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:42:47 -0400

I sent some of the facts of history to you, but you don't seem to want to know anything except the pablum dished out by the winners of the spoils who wrote the textbooks. I sent facts that are documented in many writings and archives, but you seem only to want the party line and to believe that the victors were kind, principled men. I'm surprised that your being in the Military that you have little perspective as to what people are capable of who have killed many people and are called the victors for doing so. They didn't stop after the last gun shot. They carried out their abuse and hate for Americans who were Southerners, including freed slaves, and it's documented many times in many situations. It's just not documentation that most people want to see. I've spent a lot of time telling you what I have read that is documented by names, dates & places, quotations by those who wrote about the events of abuse after the "war" was supposedly over. It's once again the situation in which most people reside...no one wants to think that "winners" are anything but good moral American people who gave the Americans of the South a spanking and then welcomed them into the place in which the morally superior reside, everyone picks up where they left off and lives somewhat happily ever after. I dare you to read the Southerners' research that is documented and footnoted, and there is much to digest. There are other places to read such subject matter, but the writings to which I refer are a great start with much documentation as to names, places, and quotations that were derived from documents of the day. I challenge you to get out of the party line and read about many horrific events meted out against fellow Americans including the slaves themselves...yes, by the North. It's your turn to open your mind and read truth that is not pretty especially after decades of cleansing of actual historic events so as not to have to accept that there have been and still are Americans who would cut your throat and mine in a heartbeat if it furthers their hateful agenda. You're missing the truth, and truth does set us free though is usually unsavory.

Response by SSG Andrew Queale made Mar 28 at 2019 1:34 AM

SSG Andrew Queale — Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:34:05 -0400

It seems you have answered your own question: ask your CO.

I once had a comander refuse to allow a soldier display a Che Guevera flag in his barracks room. That was it, case closed; "The Man" said get rid of it. I enforced that command.

Response by SSG Michael Langley made Mar 29 at 2019 2:11 AM

SSG Michael Langley — Fri, 29 Mar 2019 02:11:19 -0400

Although this may not change any minds, I have to speak as a former US History teacher. In the declarations of succession it was stated that the primary reason for succession was the preservation of slavery and the continued domination by the so called white race. The concept of the Noble Cause was exploited in the post reconstruction era as Jim Crow laws returned many blacks to de facto involuntary servitude. Racism was not limited to the South and the revisionist history claiming the South was trying to escape the tyranny of the North was readily embraced, with slavery being relegated to a footnote in most textbooks. I had ancestors who were slaveholders. I carry no guilt, but do not see them as especially noble. Regardless of what the battle flag might mean to you individually, it was carried by defenders of slavery and represents a dark and hateful period of our history. "It may be offensive to some" is an indication that one should think hard before condoning it.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2019 8:22 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:22:57 -0400

NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!

Response by SSG Timothy Lanham made Apr 3 at 2019 10:44 PM

SSG Timothy Lanham — Wed, 03 Apr 2019 22:44:17 -0400

If you remove one flag you should ban all flags

Response by PO1 James White made Apr 6 at 2019 12:22 AM

PO1 James White — Sat, 06 Apr 2019 00:22:39 -0400

Not a damn thing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2019 8:01 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Apr 2019 08:01:50 -0400

I guess the barracks would be out of uniform and flunked.

Response by SGT Darryl Dykes made Apr 18 at 2019 3:59 AM

SGT Darryl Dykes — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 03:59:40 -0400

As long as the soldiers occupying the room are okay with it then no problem. Should one of the soldiers have a issue with it then the owner of the flag no matter what the flag represent, agreement would have to be made among them. When the situation requires squad leader to settle the situation then the flag would have to be placed out of public view in the owner's locker on inside of door.

Response by SP5 George Traylor made Apr 18 at 2019 4:42 PM

SP5 George Traylor — Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:42:24 -0400

None, to each his own, even in public display as long as the Stars and Stripe is above it.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2019 6:41 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 18:41:19 -0400

The seat of government in the USA is Washington DC. The southern traitors created their own illegal government on American soil. The rebel flag should not be “your” flag because it is the symbol of all the deaths of US military service members that died supporting the USCON and the BOR. Never forget that the south supported the states’ right to own other humans... They just propagandized the war as one of legal interpretation. The right to own other people is immoral but the rich landowners decided abolition would cut into their wealth too much. Get over it. My flag is the stars and bars, not some symbol that represents slavery and oppression.

Response by SrA Ryan Johnson made Apr 22 at 2019 12:31 PM

SrA Ryan Johnson — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:31:12 -0400

wouldnt do a damn thing.

Response by SrA Ryan Johnson made Apr 22 at 2019 12:34 PM

SrA Ryan Johnson — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:34:37 -0400

I wouldn't ask to have it removed unless someone complains about it.

Response by Sgt Byron J. Hendrix made Apr 22 at 2019 7:29 PM

Sgt Byron J. Hendrix — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:29:12 -0400

The Confederate Battle flag should not be considered offensive. It means the person is proud of his heritage.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2019 8:59 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:59:31 -0400

If POLICY states, no flags or banners are allowed on walls, then take it down. Otherwise, if there is NO PROOF to be racial, sexually offensive and within good taste, i.e. middle fingers, cuss words gang related, go for it. I've read the history on the Rebel Flag in HS back in the 90's, so should people who don't know the true meaning of it. I say leave it.

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Apr 22 at 2019 10:55 PM

SPC Alejandro Martinez — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:55:21 -0400

Burn the rebel flag, that's what I would have done.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2019 8:24 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:24:16 -0400

Make them put up the actual flag of their traitorous cause, the white flag of surrender.

Response by Belinda Broadwater made Apr 23 at 2019 10:24 AM

Belinda Broadwater — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:24:14 -0400

We as Americans have too realize whether we like it or not that time in our history cannot be erased, but we can look back and say yes that was a dark part of our history, it doesn't matter whether you're African-American or White American, it's a part of our history! I'm Native American, Cherokee and Blackfoot, you don't see me saying that we was done wrong when my ancestors had to walk the Trail of Tears! It's sad to say but racism is alive today because people won't leave the past behind them, it's over with and needs to remain in our past history!

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made Apr 23 at 2019 12:28 PM

PO2 Bull Halsey — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:28:11 -0400

Tough call for a leader.
People/military hold icons of meaning as parts of our own person, heritage and beliefs, and that is profoundly important to all of us. If you are religeious, you might remember the first commandment and understand the importance of its clarity of regulations.
There are multitudes of flags,, icons, jewelry, tattoos, WORDS, and options for "offense" (a divisive word) in all cases. We each are truly one of many, each supporting the many, and alternativiely, the many supporting the individual.
The practice of people being "offended" over the importance of the individual is simply a power play, in some forms resulting in contemporary beheadings. These people are divisive!
Anyone choosing to be offended should be challenged, not pandered. It is not a military behavior.
After all, when in the military, one becomes the United States!
But, disdaining the individual's private preferences is nothing less than sustaining the division of the individuals among the whole. A Nazi flag is an Enemy Flag. A Stars and Bars is an American Flag and represents a deeply held American heritage no matter how one chooses to interpret it, and the nation has no place in destroying that heritage for one portion of the population over the other; look at the practices of ISIS and the Taliban. That is what we are practicing today within this very confused country.
In an age when a soldier can have tats for their favorite Gang on their body, we are no longer able to indivduate who is right and who is wrong. Soon, Democrat or Republican icons might also be essentially banned (as they putatively already are is some parts of the country).
I believe that the primacy of the American Flag is a heritage we should bring back especially to our Military, schools and public places and back into our communities.
We have allowed far too much personal offense to erode our national identity. We are one individual each, all dedicated to one nation, and that should be maintained, starting with service to our nation and our community/unit.
That being said, a barracks and military property needs an American Flag, a unit pennant and nothing more, and the personnel should understand why. This is an opportunity for education about priorities.

Response by PO1 Bob Zimmer made Apr 23 at 2019 12:39 PM

PO1 Bob Zimmer — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:39:40 -0400

If the unit commander determines that this is an inappropriate item to display, I would expect that all members of the unit have their living quarters inspected to verify that they are not being displayed. That includes married personnel quarters both on and off post.

Response by SSG Calvin Grant made Apr 23 at 2019 3:20 PM

SSG Calvin Grant — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:20:32 -0400

Props to SPC Christopher Smith. I submit to you that when slaves were brought to this country, it was done so under the good ole' red white and blue but yet here we are honoring it. The Confederate flag is seen as a symbol of hate and racism by who? Emancipation Proclamation was directed towards specific states that did not want to join the union, a union that had no intentions of freeing their slaves. Is the flag creating disorder and a lack of discipline ? I know a lot of non-whites that flag and or hang the Confederate flag because we say in US History that this flag represents hatred and racism does it? Considering my statement above. Why then is the US flag still flying?

Response by Michael Morton made Apr 24 at 2019 3:18 PM

Michael Morton — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:18:04 -0400

I am not opposed to the display of the "Confederate Battle Flag" or the display of the "Southern Cross Of Honor". I am the great great grandson of a Union Army Combat Veteran (Battle of Nashville) & Pensioner, i.e., Alexander Miller Jr. (records show him as a Pvt., or Cpl, or 5th Sgt.). He served in Company "A", 17th U. S. Colored Infantry Regiment, 1st Colored Brigade, United States Colored Troops. He mustered in on 24 Nov 1863 and mustered out 25 Apr 1866, and, drew his pension from 1895 until his death in 1920. I am the son of the late Major James "Jimmie" D. Morton, U. S. Army [Ret.] "Buffalo Soldier" 10th U. S. Cavalry Regiment (re-designated 510th Heavy Tank Bn. Nov. 1950, and, also, re-designated 3rd Medium Tank Bn., 35th Armor Regiment May 1958, Mannheim, Germany). I am also known as an "Army Brat". The descendants of Honorable CSA Veterans ought not be barred from displaying the above stated items.

Response by SPC Keith Armon made Apr 24 at 2019 8:19 PM

SPC Keith Armon — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 20:19:33 -0400

Talk To The OWNER IS PRIVATE...ASK DEM TO PLEASE REFRAIN SHOWING THIS ACTIONS..

Response by LCpl Michael Harrell made Apr 25 at 2019 9:05 AM

LCpl Michael Harrell — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:05:32 -0400

Anyone who has paid attention to historical events would know that the rebel flag, the original was actually the US flag. When speaking of the civil war, the rebel flag was actually based in deep Christian values. That war has been misquoted for being fought over slavery, which is so far from the truth, international commerce was the actual cause, but if we go around letting no feeling getting hurt then we weaken our military and put our country in jeopardy.

Response by PO2 Ed Williams made Apr 25 at 2019 9:52 AM

PO2 Ed Williams — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:52:14 -0400

Don't do anything. The Confederate flag has a long history of pride and heritage for most Southerners.

Response by SSgt Scott Sowder made Apr 25 at 2019 11:50 AM

SSgt Scott Sowder — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:50:32 -0400

Nothing. The "Rebel" flag was a battle color for the CSA. There is NOTHING inherently racist or demeaning about a flag! Grow up ppl!!

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Apr 25 at 2019 10:53 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:53:53 -0400

Get over it, there a reason that flag was assembled, history is the main, the life's lost, what it stood for, the American flag is the same, it's stands for all the conflicts this country was involved in, if it offends someone don't look at it, I've seen flags from different regions that stand for that soldiers home state that are proud to display, my ancestry is Hispanic but I have yet wave or display a Mexican flag, but I was born here in this country, so I'm proud to display the US American flag and Texas flag, do be proud, and someone has an issue just get over it, move on

Response by Andrew Paladino made Apr 25 at 2019 11:00 PM

Andrew Paladino — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:00:35 -0400

The civil war was not that long ago. I know people who knew veterans. Stop flying the flag of an enemy nation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2019 12:17 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 00:17:16 -0400

Just like with sharp and EO, it’s all perception. I’ve told Soldiers it’s probably best to remove calendars with models or women posing just simply because if someone sees it who is offended it could turn into a bigger issue and not having it up is just the easiest route, I don’t find an issue with it personally. I joined the Army an went to MEPS and during my tattoo screening was almost not allowed to join because I have a tattoo of a confederate flag. They raised a huge fit and questioned why I had it and this an tbat. Not until someone higher, station commander or whatever, came down to make the call. He was not white mind you, took one look at my tattoo and turned away and asked “is this really why I came down” and turned and walked away. 10 years later, I’m still in lol.. It was nothing to do with racism in the least bit and some quickly jump to that conclusion, about that and other things people display. Ultimately like my first statement it’s all about perception and while I wouldn’t have made him take it down, I would strongly impress on him that it could lead to an issue and taking it down might just be more simple than going through what could come.

Response by SPC David Postell made Apr 26 at 2019 6:30 AM

SPC David Postell — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 06:30:48 -0400

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a rebel flag. It's a flag that means something to him. If you're in a leadership role and automatically jump to "muh feelings" before learning anything else you are going to create uncessary problems.

Response by PO3 Jeremy Parker made Apr 26 at 2019 7:42 AM

PO3 Jeremy Parker — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:42:26 -0400

Would you allow a flag from another military that oppposes the US Goverment I.e. Russian taliban and such. Because that’s what the rebel army was.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 26 at 2019 1:10 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:10:43 -0400

Sorry for the double posting.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 26 at 2019 1:12 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:12:03 -0400

If there are no problems from the soldiers, don't create one. Leave it alone and move on. It means different things to different people and apparently those displaying it consider it worthy of display.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Apr 26 at 2019 2:07 PM

PFC James Edward VERNON jr — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:07:06 -0400

THE FLAG IS JUST THAT, "A FLAG". THE ATTITUDE OF THE OWNER IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. DOES THAT "INTERFERE" WITH HIS OR HER DUTY ? IF NO, MOVE ON. IF YES, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME "CONVERSATION". BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT, BUT DO NOT LET THAT BELIEF BOTHER YOUR "JOB OBLIGATIONS". A LOT OF BROTHERS / SISTERS DIED FOR THAT FLAG, TOO.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Apr 26 at 2019 4:00 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:00:35 -0400

SFC Seth King as a senior NCO you must know the rules the if the Commander allow it who care who get offended. The Army or any NCOIC must never deal with who get offended, religion or heritage. This my be a Soldier who his great grandfather served during his time therefore what is the Commander policy when it comes to this matter! We had a Soldier with the same flag in his barracks but our Bn policy was if isn’t a America flag isn’t allowed. Each Commander deal with this situation different but in your situation review policy from top to bottom & make a decision for the good of unit. Don’t deal with who get offensive because isn’t the army way.

Response by CPO John Moore made Apr 26 at 2019 7:12 PM

CPO John Moore — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:12:02 -0400

In my opinion, if it's in his room and he the only living in that room leave the flag up 9if he shares the room with some else and that person doesn't mind the flag let it stay on the wall. ( was on a navy ship (as a civilian worker going from east coast to west coast). the after engine room did get all the praise that the other engine room did. they painted a black on the control board (and called themselves "the black sheep" everyone in the space was alright with it, but someone who didn't even work in the space bitched to the master chief of the command. when the dust settled the black cheep painting was painted over. I thought the people in that engine room got screwed by one person. that is the way it is nowadays one person can screw it up for a crew over their dislikes. I feel sorry for these cry babies (who had to have a safe pace so they can go cry).

Response by SPC Phillip Sheppard made Apr 26 at 2019 8:44 PM

SPC Phillip Sheppard — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 20:44:16 -0400

"If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War"
George Washington

Lincoln to those words to heart and he went to war with people who abandoned their oath of office as Soldiers, Congressman, Senators and citizens.

Response by PV2 Michael Miedzianowski made Apr 26 at 2019 10:40 PM

PV2 Michael Miedzianowski — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 22:40:22 -0400

The Confederate Flag has NO RACIAL Discrimination it was a Flag that has MILITARY HISTORY and as such should not be taken away and or destroyed like our Monuments and other historical artifacts , I am from the North and I am PROUD OF ALL OF THE U.S. History because if it wasn't for the History where would our country and its people be ? If something OFFENDS you walk away or better yet grow up because the Military isn't for whiney babies !

Response by SSG Ken Steinhoff made Apr 27 at 2019 9:28 AM

SSG Ken Steinhoff — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 09:28:26 -0400

Freedom of speech does not mean just your freedom of speech. There is always more then one side to the story. Keep an open mine and listen to the other side. Otherwise our freedom becomes a dictatorship.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Apr 27 at 2019 10:07 PM

SPC Henry Francis — Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:07:38 -0400

“Have them removed to maintain good order and discipline” does not say anything about a “violation”. If there is a standing order that soldiers should not possess that flag (which is doubtful) then it is s violation; otherwise, it is not. Black and white oppose that flag. Black and white claim that flag is part of their heritage. A relatively tiny group of whites have a racist view of what that flag means. Just deal with problematic racial attitudes when they manifest themselves and don’t assume what that flag represents apart from accompanying overt racist manifestations.

Response by PFC Angela Kucera made Apr 28 at 2019 12:58 PM

PFC Angela Kucera — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 12:58:36 -0400

This has been an article 15 violation charged up to treason ever since I can remember. I agree the flag represents many things to many people...I myself have nothing against it...but the mindset of serving one flag has to be preserved. Its been 30+ years since I was in...and so much has changed in the military since then. However...we serve one flag. Period.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Apr 28 at 2019 6:18 PM

PVT Raymond Lopez — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 18:18:12 -0400

When I was a little boy there was an organization called the John Birch Society who swore the that fluoridation was a Communist plot to destroy the minds of America’s youth well now I know the Birchers were right after all!!!

Response by SPC Cory Thomson made Apr 28 at 2019 8:51 PM

SPC Cory Thomson — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:51:46 -0400

My battalion had a rule book for the barracks and in it they stated that you could not display any flag other than the US flag and one of its states or territories. You could also display any flag for your MOS, division, brigade, batt, etc. at current time I believe that every state has removed the confederate flag from its flag, although when I was in they had not. People can be as proud of where they come from as they want, however that flag does not represent freedom, nor does it reflect the values of current day America. In exactly the same way the Nazi swastika does not represent current day Germany or the former rising sun represent current japan. The people who waved and defended those flags and the ideals they represent are dead. They engaged in a war with us because they were unwilling to move forward with us and to change their ways. Or because they lost and were defeated. America is far from perfect nor is the surviving union completely free from its own horrible deeds, but we cannot change the past, all we can do is to live in a way that is representative to the ideals we stand for. That flag is not one of them. I would no more tolerate it anymore than I would a swastika. Racism bigotry and separatist ideals have no place in America and no place in our future.

Response by Sgt Scott Sullivan, CCNP, CCNA, Security+ made Apr 29 at 2019 11:43 AM

Sgt Scott Sullivan, CCNP, CCNA, Security+ — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:43:22 -0400

The most important thing to remember about the confederate troops is that most were not slave owners, they simply put politics aside and fought for their home states. Did any of us only enlist when the politics were in our favor? I guess my point is that just because you are in the military, doesn't mean that you share "all" of the political views off your elected officials or the people that influence them either money. I think it is unfair to question a person's patriotism based on a skewed understanding of history.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Apr 29 at 2019 5:44 PM

Sgt Jay Jones — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 17:44:01 -0400

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, John Anthony Walker, Benedict Arnold, and other individuals to include the entire Confederacy are/were guilty of treason. I for the life of me cannot understand why any active duty military person would want to "honor" these individuals who sought to overthrow the Government of the United States. If I was a commander of this unit, my policy would be; "Other the flag of the United States of America, or State Flags of the United States and it's Territories would be allowed. No, other nations flags would be authorized.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Apr 30 at 2019 2:10 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:10:50 -0400

As a former combat infantry Marine, I would say if someone is that easily offended, they should not be in the military. Perhaps technology has removed them too far from our basic purpose...killing people. I'm afraid a lot of service members today (including Marines) would have never survived the boot camp I went through, or infantry training school for that matter. My DIs and instructors would have slapped that "run and cry to mommy" crap right out of their heads. I often imagine WWII vets are looking down from Heaven shaking their heads at the off point and politically correct military of today. Your enemy will show no mercy and could care less about your feelings.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made May 1 at 2019 11:33 AM

1SG Ernest Stull — Wed, 01 May 2019 11:33:32 -0400

The cmdr would make the final decision, it his or her company so the cmdr. is the final approving authority and it should be in the company sop as to what can or cannot in the barracks.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2019 2:33 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 May 2019 14:33:05 -0400

There are a lot of things that many people do not agree with but I would say it depends on how it means. The rebel flag has many history and is associated with a terrible point in the south's history but I have also heard other points of why it should not be illegal. I have also heard that it represents the blood of christ etc. and it is apart of southern history (I am southern myself though atm I live in the north 14 years born and raised in GA so yes I do know how important and serious people take it) so I would say ask him what he means by the flag and I would do a company/ platoon etc. survey to see if anybody would be offended by the reason why he has it.

Response by Cpl Sherman Watson Jr made May 1 at 2019 6:14 PM

Cpl Sherman Watson Jr — Wed, 01 May 2019 18:14:59 -0400

This is a Violation

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made May 10 at 2019 2:00 PM

SSgt Michael Cox — Fri, 10 May 2019 14:00:40 -0400

I think if there aren’t any complaints about it and it isn’t obscene leave it alone.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2019 4:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 May 2019 16:10:30 -0400

Does the flag as represented cause disorder and a break down of discipline in the barracks? Is it being used to intimidate other Soldiers? What context is it being represented? Common sense has to apply, not knee jerk PC reactions.

Response by SFC Randy Bealer made May 12 at 2019 3:50 PM

SFC Randy Bealer — Sun, 12 May 2019 15:50:34 -0400

I have a question in order to clarify. Was it:
A. The Stars and Bars - First Confederate National Flag?
B. The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia - Red with Blue cross and white stars?
C. Thompsons Flag - Second National - White with Battle flag in the Union?
D. Third National - Second with Red Bar on end of fly?

Response by CPL Gerald Fredrick made May 14 at 2019 11:07 AM

CPL Gerald Fredrick — Tue, 14 May 2019 11:07:52 -0400

I would make the owner read the history of the Civil War and what happened. then I would make him explain in a report to his barracks what it represented. And when done remove it. This is the United States Military not the Military of the Confederacy.

Response by PO2 Russell Houston made May 14 at 2019 11:14 PM

PO2 Russell Houston — Tue, 14 May 2019 23:14:30 -0400

The "Stars and Bar" {rebel flag) is a battle flag, so ask yourself what if there was a NATO flag or the flag of Mexico, Assumption that it is to some a symbol of racism may apply, to some however see it as heritage

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made May 15 at 2019 4:09 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Wed, 15 May 2019 04:09:06 -0400

This question is five years old. It was a stupid question then. It's a stupid question now. Please RallyPoint, do some pruning. Questions should expire after an allotted time.

Response by SrA James Cannon made May 19 at 2019 11:38 AM

SrA James Cannon — Sun, 19 May 2019 11:38:50 -0400

Leave it alone, and allow your folks to have some sort of freedom of expression in their personal space. If you start trying to be the PC police you are going to end up destroying unit morale. If you start down this road, it will be the rebel flag this week, something else a month from now, etc. Leave it alone. Don't cause a problem where there isn't one.

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made May 19 at 2019 11:58 AM

SSgt Richard Kensinger — Sun, 19 May 2019 11:58:37 -0400

Great ?. Here is my clinical response. What does the flag represent to the individual and to the squad members. In the AF during basic we were referred to as "flights". as a squad leader group cohesion is so vital, especially when deployed as a group in combat. If it diminishes group morale and cohesion, I would take the necessary action accordingly.
Rich

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made May 19 at 2019 3:46 PM

SrA Brett Stratton — Sun, 19 May 2019 15:46:37 -0400

Simply put? Confiscation and minor punishment. It's not that big a deal, but it's still contraband nonetheless.

On a separate note, while I don't believe the Confederate flag should be flown anymore, I also believe it's of significant historical purposes. Hang it on your house's wall or display it at museums or historical locations. But people need to remember that while one side of that flag is "Southern Pride", it also represented an era where we were at our most divisive. We musn't forget, but we can't dwell on it either. I think that's the balance people are having the most difficulty with.

Response by CW4 Russell Cowley made May 20 at 2019 2:34 PM

CW4 Russell Cowley — Mon, 20 May 2019 14:34:22 -0400

We need to stop being offended by so much anymore. Not one person living today was oppressed under a standing confederate flag, not one person living today was a plantation slave, not one person living today was an owner of a plantation slave, not one person was a displaced indian by the horse soldiers and for sure non were alive to witness any of it; BUT, everyone seems to attach themselves to one of them in an attempt to get what they want! Everyone is offended by something and it is getting to the point that it is effecting simple human socialization and the ability to live together without some kind of hate.

Response by LCDR J Elsner made May 23 at 2019 8:30 AM

LCDR J Elsner — Thu, 23 May 2019 08:30:38 -0400

There must be guidelines or policy for you to follow. If it's a personal call to make it a "violation" then the guidelines are ambiguous. The policy/guidelines should be crystal clear to provide no room for interpretation by the room inspector.

Response by SPC Ryan Conour made May 23 at 2019 10:53 AM

SPC Ryan Conour — Thu, 23 May 2019 10:53:44 -0400

My question to your question is where do we draw the line and who decides that? I see arguments for and against this flag, along with other flags such as the Japanese flag. Do we allow all of these flags to be displayed but then demand justice when a Reichskriegsflagge or the flag from the Third Reich is displayed containing the swastika? Recognize your hypocrisy if you decide that one flag is okay while the other is not.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made May 23 at 2019 12:31 PM

Sgt Den OBrien — Thu, 23 May 2019 12:31:46 -0400

I'd shave their heads and send them to Nam.

Response by SGT Edward Valiket made May 23 at 2019 2:23 PM

SGT Edward Valiket — Thu, 23 May 2019 14:23:39 -0400

I wouldn`t do anything, it is part of our history and I get damned tired of people trying to rewrite history and hide the facts

Response by SSG Tim Esplin made May 23 at 2019 2:37 PM

SSG Tim Esplin — Thu, 23 May 2019 14:37:39 -0400

None, Americans have first amendment rights

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2019 3:59 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 May 2019 15:59:58 -0400

I JOINED THE ARMY FROM MAINE, FOR 6 YEARS WE HAD THE BATTLE FLAG FLYING IN ALL OF MY DUTY STATIONS, NO PROBLEM EVER.... GUESS WE AT THAT TIME HAD A HISTORY LESSON A FEW TIMES... TODAY THE TRASH WANTS TO DESTROY HISTORY.

Response by PO3 Stephen Schneider made May 23 at 2019 4:21 PM

PO3 Stephen Schneider — Thu, 23 May 2019 16:21:06 -0400

The "southern heritage" argument falls flat. This is the battle standard of an army of traitors who actively sought to rip our nation apart. Remove it.

Response by SPC James Fitzpatrick made May 24 at 2019 8:52 AM

SPC James Fitzpatrick — Fri, 24 May 2019 08:52:27 -0400

I don't know the legal ramifications under UCMJ, but it may well be kept in mind that the 'rebel' flag (probably the Confederate naval jack, as most people don't know what the real Confederate flag looks like, anyway) was just that: a flag of rebellion against the United States. But suppose you found a flag of another country that was hostile to the US? Suppose you found a Mexican flag? Or one of these rainbow colored "African-American" flags?

If I were you, I'd cover my ass and refer the matter the First Sargent or Company Commander. You might also get the (private) opinion of your men.

Response by Sgt John Norman made May 24 at 2019 9:20 AM

Sgt John Norman — Fri, 24 May 2019 09:20:44 -0400

You are a member of the US MILITARY loyal to the flag of your country. The Stars and bars represented a group of traitors our Army defeated that tried to split our country.

Response by CPL Kenneth G. made May 24 at 2019 9:20 AM

CPL Kenneth G. — Fri, 24 May 2019 09:20:57 -0400

allow them to keep it

Response by LT Jon Jewett made May 24 at 2019 12:33 PM

LT Jon Jewett — Fri, 24 May 2019 12:33:29 -0400

But what if it was an African-American displaying the flag in memory of the some 60,000 African-Americans who fought for the Confederacy? Would THAT be racist? How about if it was an indigenous first people, a descendant of Stand Watie a general in the Confederate States Army?

Response by PO3 Mack McLendon made May 24 at 2019 5:03 PM

PO3 Mack McLendon — Fri, 24 May 2019 17:03:18 -0400

The proper name of that flag is The Confederate Battle Flag.
It was used as a unit-designator by several units, mostly attached to the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee.
Unless someone rejects the principle that people are entitled to a government of their choosing (as Thomas Jefferson so eloquently stated in the Declaration of Independence), there is no rational objection to the Confederate Battle Flag, or any other Confederate symbol.
The thirteen-striped United States flag is more objectionable than any Confederate flag:

Possible African-American objections to the thirteen-stripe flag:

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, many thousands of Africans were transported to slavery in the New World.
* No Confederate-flagged ship ever made a slaving-run.

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, the African slave trade (importation of Africans to be sold into bondage) was authorized for 32 years (1776-1808).
* The Confederate constitution prohibited the African slave trade.

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, slavery was authorized for 89 years (1776-1865).
* Under Confederate flags, it was authorized for four years.

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, the military services were segregated until after World War II.
* Confederate military units saw many different ethnicities – including thousands of blacks – serving cheek-by-jowl and receiving the same pay and allowances.

Possible Jewish objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, an Army Order (General Order No. 12) was issued by Ulysses S. Grant 17 December 1862 forcibly removing all Jewish people from parts of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
* The Confederate States of America never practiced anti-Semitism. To the contrary -- the Confederate forces included Jewish officers and enlisted men, and from the beginning, the Confederate cabinet included Judah Philip Benjamin, a Jew. (The first Jewish US cabinet member, Oscar Straus, served under Theodore Roosevelt.)

Possible Native American/Indian objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, Native Americans/Indians were cheated, forcibly removed from their ancestral lands, and massacred wholesale.
* Native Americans/Indians received no such treatment at Confederate hands. To the contrary -- Native Americans/Indians played a vital role in the Confederate Army. General Stand Watie, a Cherokee, was the last Confederate general to sign a cease-fire with the US Army.

Possible Japanese-American objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, American citizens in the 1940s were forcibly removed from their homes and herded into concentration camps solely because their ancestors had been born in Japan.
* The Confederate States of America never put anyone into a concentration camp based on his ethnicity.

Possible objections to the thirteen-stripe flag in general:

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, atrocities were committed against noncombatant civilians during the 1860s -- atrocities to rank with those committed by the Germans and Japanese during World War II.
* No Confederate unit ever committed atrocities against noncombatants.

> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, rations and supplies – which were plentiful – were denied to Confederate prisoners of war.
* Confederate regulations called for Yankee prisoners of war to receive the same rations and supplies as Confederate soldiers. When those rations and supplies could not be had – thanks to Yankee blockades of Confederate ports, and the Yankee Army's scorched-earth policy, the Confederate soldiers starved and suffered along with the Yankee prisoners of war.

> Yankee troops guarding Confederate prisoners of war abused them and shot at them for sport.
* Confederate troops did not abuse Yankee prisoners of war.

> The thirteen-stripe flag is the favored flag of the Ku Kluxers.

Response by PO3 Mack McLendon made May 24 at 2019 5:13 PM

PO3 Mack McLendon — Fri, 24 May 2019 17:13:07 -0400

The proper name of the flag in question is "The Confederate Battle Flag."
Rather than being the national flag of the Confederate States of America, it was used (in various forms) as a unit-designator by various Army units in Confederate service, mostly those attached to the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee.
Anyone who disagrees with the idea that people are entitled to a government of their choosing (as Thomas Jefferson eloquently stated in the Declaration of Independence) would certainly find Confederate symbols objectionable, because that was the principle that prompted the secessions of the Confederate States. Other than that, there is nothing whatsoever objectionable about any Confederate symbol.
The thirteen-striped United States flag, on the other hand, is highly objectionable:

Possible African-American objections to the thirteen-stripe flag:
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, many thousands of Africans were transported to slavery in the New World.
* No Confederate-flagged ship ever made a slaving-run.
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, the African slave trade (importation of Africans to be sold into bondage) was authorized for 32 years (1776-1808).
* The Confederate constitution prohibited the African slave trade.
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, slavery was authorized for 89 years (1776-1865).
* Under Confederate flags, it was authorized for four years.
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, the military services were segregated until after World War II.
* Confederate military units saw many different ethnicities – including thousands of blacks – serving cheek-by-jowl and receiving the same pay and allowances.

Possible Jewish objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, an Army Order (General Order No. 12) was issued by Ulysses S. Grant 17 December 1862 forcibly removing all Jewish people from parts of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky.
* The Confederate States of America never practiced anti-Semitism. To the contrary -- the Confederate forces included Jewish officers and enlisted men, and from the beginning, the Confederate cabinet included Judah Philip Benjamin, a Jew. (The first Jewish US cabinet member, Oscar Straus, served under Theodore Roosevelt.)

Possible Native American/Indian objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, Native Americans/Indians were cheated, forcibly removed from their ancestral lands, and massacred wholesale.
* Native Americans/Indians received no such treatment at Confederate hands. To the contrary -- Native Americans/Indians played a vital role in the Confederate Army. General Stand Watie, a Cherokee, was the last Confederate general to sign a cease-fire with the US Army.

Possible Japanese-American objection to the thirteen-stripe flag:
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, American citizens in the 1940s were forcibly removed from their homes and herded into concentration camps solely because their ancestors had been born in Japan.
* The Confederate States of America never put anyone into a concentration camp based on his ethnicity.

Possible objections to the thirteen-stripe flag in general:
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, atrocities were committed against noncombatant civilians during the 1860s -- atrocities to rank with those committed by the Germans and Japanese during World War II.
* No Confederate unit ever committed atrocities against noncombatants.
> Under the thirteen-stripe flag, rations and supplies – which were plentiful – were denied to Confederate prisoners of war.
* Confederate regulations called for Yankee prisoners of war to receive the same rations and supplies as Confederate soldiers. When those rations and supplies could not be had – thanks to Yankee blockades of Confederate ports, and the Yankee Army's scorched-earth policy, the Confederate soldiers starved and suffered along with the Yankee prisoners of war.
> Yankee troops guarding Confederate prisoners of war abused them and shot at them for sport.
* Confederate troops did not abuse Yankee prisoners of war.
> The thirteen-stripe flag is the favored flag of the Ku Kluxers.

Response by Sgt Louis R B. made May 24 at 2019 5:58 PM

Sgt Louis R B. — Fri, 24 May 2019 17:58:43 -0400

If it's your Heritage no problem

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2019 12:52 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 May 2019 00:52:08 -0400

You’re kidding, right. Your only action would be to kick it up stairs. You don’t have enough rank to do anything more. With such a question, I don’t you have enough rank to be conducting inspections.

Response by FN Mike Coughlin made May 25 at 2019 10:52 PM

FN Mike Coughlin — Sat, 25 May 2019 22:52:09 -0400

Lately it has become too much at anything from the south is considered racist or anti-American. Quite the contrary rebel flag with a battle flag. true history will tell you that President Lincoln raised an Army against the South I was marching upon the South. The South had to raise an army to defend itself it is in our constitution the defend our homeland from any enemy foreign and domestic. They saw the north as a domestic enemy with the new President Lincoln LED party then and now the Republican party. General Lee was a great leader he was a West point graduate and stood his ground as a noble soldier of the United States even though it was in Gray. But who cares what the color was that was chosen. They were all American soldiers and Patriots. That is the bottom line of it with the rebel flag. Only recently through everybody needing to have it as a vote of cry cry cry and their pity pads that the flag becomes something that they declare is racist. I fear for my country because what's going to happen in the next 50 years. Shall we start altering the stars on the flag also taking away from a stripes the thirteen original. I served during the Cold war. We're up against the hammer and sickle, has this memorial day weekend comes about. Does everybody forget the rising sun flag? Is anybody forget the Nazi flag? Does everybody forget the North Vietnamese flag? Or we going to allow the isis flag to be flown above our state capitals one day for political gain and cry cry cry the pity pad. I've seen the rebel flag fly high on Army tanks as we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. I was damn proud that those flags flew with the American flag. Those scumbags that attacked our world trade center pentagon and flight 93. Heard the rebel yell. I fly my American flag crowd at home I fly my p o w flag crowded home. iFly my United States Navy flag proud at home. And I do fly a rebel flag at home for all those to tell them kiss my ass I'm a proud American and I will raise up if need to rise foreign and domestic. Shuffle all those with their Penny pads on everyday go fuc yourself. Girls military officers they find that flag in the barracks leave your personnel alone they were great men that died on the many battlefields in America. Does anybody forget Gettysburg? That's one just to name a few where hundreds of thousands of men died for what they believed in America and both I say again both sets of statues all throughout that town and battlefield. And nobody not nobody touches them. the enemies are broad and they're eventually coming into our homeland so let that rebel flag stand with the American flag. It's a sign of strength in our country. Not racism as others would say.

Response by MSgt Wayne Owens made May 25 at 2019 11:01 PM

MSgt Wayne Owens — Sat, 25 May 2019 23:01:46 -0400

If you are the 1st Sgt, or whatever, responsible for, the barracks, remove the flag. The old saying "prejudicial to good order and discipline" has been, is, and will be misused forever as a catchall. The rebel flag would have a different meaning had the outcome been different. I don't particularly care for the flag of Mexico that I see a lot of at local soccer matches, but I keep it to myself. I would never use the Confederate flag but don't piss me off by slamming me for where I was born and raised.

Response by HA Jace Gallagher made May 26 at 2019 4:02 AM

HA Jace Gallagher — Sun, 26 May 2019 04:02:49 -0400

I wouldn't say or do anything immediately. Watch the soldier and his/her interaction with peers and others off base if possible and see if there is any indication of racism (or any off putting behaviour) or if it is just because of southern pride. Once intent is determined, talk to the soldier and remind them of possible misunderstandings. Observe first and then act based on your judgement based on your observations.

Response by MSgt Gregory Balint made May 26 at 2019 8:24 AM

MSgt Gregory Balint — Sun, 26 May 2019 08:24:58 -0400

We must maintain solidarity within our Ranks. Embrace those morals and ethics of our free democracy. The stars and bars represent and government and society that did not hold the truths of our constitution. I would ban that flag and any other symbol which would represent any discord with the American Constitution.

Response by MSG Neil Richter made May 26 at 2019 10:16 AM

MSG Neil Richter — Sun, 26 May 2019 10:16:06 -0400

Did anyone ask the solider, what the meaning of the flag means

Response by SSgt Bradford Cosway made May 26 at 2019 5:55 PM

SSgt Bradford Cosway — Sun, 26 May 2019 17:55:49 -0400

The ”rebel” flag is not what may sensationalist media types have made it out to be. I was raised in Hawaii, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I do, however, know what some make it out to be. Should we allow a minority to control the majority? Or allow the feelings of a few to infringe on the rights of the many? I'm not of that mindset.
That being said, (I was at one time in charge of a 500 man dorm) I would let it pass as long as it is in a dorm room and not in a common area. Being on an eagle with the aforementioned epithet, it’s obviously patriotic.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made May 26 at 2019 10:22 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Sun, 26 May 2019 22:22:09 -0400

When I was an instructor at the MP School I walked into our office one morning and saw a neatly folded Confederate flag on the desk of of one of the desks of an instructor. Since the desk belonged to the only black instructor in our office, I naturally thought it was a dig at him. When he came in I told him I didn't know where it came from and hoped he didn't take offence. He then said "That's my flag." South Carolina born and raised. That's MY Flag man! " I will never again make a judgment about the Confederate flag.

Response by Col Robert Wallace made May 26 at 2019 11:21 PM

Col Robert Wallace — Sun, 26 May 2019 23:21:32 -0400

The Confederate Battle Flag, mistakenly called the Rebel Flag, is part of our nation's history, good or bad. It is a shame that modern day "know-it-all" people don't really know our nations'f history or how the flags, on both sides, came into being. In the case presented, it was a so-called modified rebel flag hanging in the soldier's room. My response - So What? Is the "behind closed doors" a violation of good order and discipline? I think not To repeat - read up on our nation's history & the origin of flags.

Response by CSM William Payne made May 27 at 2019 12:15 AM

CSM William Payne — Mon, 27 May 2019 00:15:55 -0400

It is the commander’s prerogative to determine what may be offensive and therefore threatens good order and discipline. This flag would most assuredly be in violation of AR 600-20, because I can guarantee that there would be Soldiers that would be offended by that flag.

AR 600-20

4–12. Extremist organizations and activities
c. Command authority. Commanders have the authority to prohibit military personnel from engaging in or partici- pating in any other activities that the commander determines will adversely affect good order and discipline or morale within the command. This includes, but is not limited to, the authority to order the removal of symbols, flags, posters, or other displays from barracks, to place areas or activities off-limits (see AR 190–24), or to order Soldiers not to participate in those activities that are contrary to good order and discipline or morale of the unit or pose a threat to health, safety, and security of military personnel or a military installation.

I am a tried and true Southerner, who had several of my ancestors that fought in the Civil War for the Confederacy. I also grew up in Virginia and I am a great lover of history. But I learned years ago that there is a time and a place for everything. Mostly not on military time or property.

In an Army that’s very success is predicated on melding civilian individuals of all races, genders, sexes, religions and political affiliations into one comprehensive unit, if we are going to succeed in that endeavor, we need to go the extra measure to ensure all of our Soldiers feel that they are part of an inclusive environment.

Arguments that the American Flag is offensive to some people is a Red Herring argument. It is the American Flag under which we fight, we follow into war, is on the shoulder of our uniforms, our dead are brought home under and buried beneath. If you are offended by the American Flag, being a member of the Uniformed Services of the United States should be the last profession in which you choose to serve.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2019 7:52 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 May 2019 19:52:16 -0400

If I found that flag in any of my troops room, I would counsel them and have them remove it. Immediately. Displaying the Confederate flag is tantamount to a direct rejection of the oath we all took to defend the Constitution of these United States. The CSA fought against and in open defiance of that same Constitution and of the rightful federal government that all of us now support.

Response by SSG Gregory Dutson made May 27 at 2019 10:25 PM

SSG Gregory Dutson — Mon, 27 May 2019 22:25:36 -0400

That's a traitor flag.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made May 28 at 2019 11:12 AM

SPC Robin Price-Dirks — Tue, 28 May 2019 11:12:36 -0400

Ok! I grew up a few miles away from Atlanta, Georgia. When I joined the military I was young, naïve and quite possibly dumb. My southern accent was so thick that my friends called me "Dixie", among other southern bred people. I was graced with all kinds of rebel flag items as good luck charms and shows of affection. Not one of my very southern direct family line served in the confederacy. My Grandfather was born 2 years after the Civil war. According to him we are all Gods children no matter the color. The confederate flag was just a symbol of a rebellion that was more about money than anything else with the side benefit of freeing slaves. African American as well as Irish indentured servant slaves were freed. That flag has been flown by people of a variety of races, for a variety of reasons. I still possess a rebel flag, which is folded and stored away, as is my Untied States of America flag. The only flag I fly currently is my ARMY flag that I display in my bedroom and my hubby flies his Marine Corps flag beside it. Equal billing, same height, same size. I am not proud of the fact that slavery was popular among the rich and privileged in my home state. You can't choose where you are born or what color you are. We are all born equal in Gods eyes, what we do with it is what is important. I am however proud of the fact that my friends went out of their way to give a gift to me symbolizing my nickname and thought of me even as I was walking out of my home for my service in the Army. Almost all of those friends are gone home to God and I kept most of their gifts in remembrance. So no I wouldn't part with those things. Most of them are in my past. I still once in a while get called Dixie altho I no longer sound like an inbred hick. Most of my family is buried in the south. I live in Colorado near my last duty station, Fort Carson. I also no longer get harassed about my nickname or threatened by persons who believe in their own superiority and wear granny's sheets. Sorry just sayin' people have reasons for what they do and say and not everything is a dig on belittling or the purpose of offending people. When did we all get so offended over everything?????

Response by SPC Erik Sletten made May 28 at 2019 11:32 AM

SPC Erik Sletten — Tue, 28 May 2019 11:32:39 -0400

There are 2 sides to every coin, on one hand it is a sign of the strength of the individuals resolve. When used as such a symbol i believe it can sttengthen the individuals mental ability to preform. My ancestry lies with the Norwegians and their ancestors, the vikings. I myself use this mentality to strengthen my resolve to America. On the othervhand, it could be more of a "The South will rise again" which is a bit extreme. I would evaluate the individuals actions in this situation. Do they seem a bit extreme themselves? Extremists can be judged by character. So what is his character and what does it imply? I hope this helps

Response by MSgt Billy McDonough made May 28 at 2019 1:25 PM

MSgt Billy McDonough — Tue, 28 May 2019 13:25:15 -0400

I would remove it and counsel them against further associations with traitorous groups who sought to violently overthrow the government & Constitution of the United States. I would further counsel them on its association with racism and how such views are not compatible with military service. (Here come the flames heheh)

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made May 28 at 2019 1:41 PM

SSG Alfred Woods — Tue, 28 May 2019 13:41:36 -0400

Nothing should be done. This is easily construed as a sign of hate, but this can also be an art piece, with combination and representation of ones own family history, being the soldier is non-white. The Eagle, symbolizes strength in the nations military of which he\she is serving. If there is no history or has been any negative information in the soldiers files, which would give cause for the commander have the flag removed, then the flag stays. Even if the soldier was white, there are many white soldier who would consider this to be offensive.

Response by SMSgt Maureen Chatham made May 28 at 2019 9:47 PM

SMSgt Maureen Chatham — Tue, 28 May 2019 21:47:40 -0400

I belong to a Southern National Guard unit. The flag represents "fighters". We had one in Iraq, no one was offended.

Response by Caitlin Williams made May 28 at 2019 10:41 PM

Caitlin Williams — Tue, 28 May 2019 22:41:36 -0400

I mean it’s not uncommon for people coming from different backgrounds to have stuff signifying their country or state or background? Plus it’s in their barracks. Thats like knowing someone’s racist yet they don’t conduct themselves in a manner towards whomever they are racist towards but you’d find racist stuff in their belongings (happened to husbands roommate) they weren’t able to do anything

Response by SrA Delvon Russell made May 30 at 2019 9:52 AM

SrA Delvon Russell — Thu, 30 May 2019 09:52:09 -0400

As a commander, your judgement would be to prevent any controversy that may arise. It may seem harmless, but as we know people tend to have their own opinion and belief regardless of what the truth my reveal about our history. Once enlisted we are a family who took an oath to defend our country both foreign and domestic. The American flag is our universal flag that we all pledged too.

Response by PO2 J Michael Wells made May 30 at 2019 12:19 PM

PO2 J Michael Wells — Thu, 30 May 2019 12:19:11 -0400

What is wrong with an HISTORICAL AMERICA FLAG? I would say as long as it is an Historical American Flag then leave it be. Offensive, The MILITARY needs to get over being "OFFENDED" YOU ARE IN THE MILITARY....NOT a Country Club! What if I said... the "Don't Tread On ME" flag, (which is an actual Historical American Flag, )Offended me". Would it be removed. The "REBEL" Flag is an Historical American Battle Flag. GET OVER IT! The Military is made up of Americans from all over this Country, all different backgrounds, Histories and Experiences. I think you should PROMOTE Historical American Flags and LEARN the HISTORY instead of being OFFENDED. GET OVER IT! If you are in the Military, you are GOING to get offended. GET OVER IT! BUNCH OF WIMPS!

Response by PO2 J Michael Wells made May 30 at 2019 12:20 PM

PO2 J Michael Wells — Thu, 30 May 2019 12:20:53 -0400

This STUPID INSIGNIA is WRONG for a P.O.2 FIX IT!

Response by MAJ Seth Goldstein made May 30 at 2019 3:23 PM

MAJ Seth Goldstein — Thu, 30 May 2019 15:23:22 -0400

We can argue about this flag being part of history or what it represents. However, to me that's all irrelevant since some White Nationalist Hate Groups have adopted that flag as their symbol. Before retiring from the Reserves I noticed our 1st SGT has a confederate flag sticker on his Jeep. He grew up in CA so I was not sure why he had the sticker but also no one seemed to care. A few months later, a CPT came to our unit from Active Duty and the first thing he said was why does the 1st SGT have a confederate flag sticker on his jeep? So at the end of the day there's a significant percentage of people who feel negatively about that flag and that's what truly matter.

Response by SSgt Paul Muffuletto made May 30 at 2019 5:03 PM

SSgt Paul Muffuletto — Thu, 30 May 2019 17:03:25 -0400

One cannot serve two masters!

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made May 30 at 2019 11:27 PM

CW2 Jalistair B — Thu, 30 May 2019 23:27:21 -0400

Why would common sense say it shouldn't be there? Since when did the military become politically correct? Is the rebel flag now illegal? If so, when did this happen. Are we now a military of feel good where we need time out cards, safe spaces, play-do and bubbles to make sure that we don't offend anyone? What will happen in a combat situation when other people are shooting at your troops, will they be offended and hold up their stress cards then?

What action should you take? Absolutely none.

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made May 30 at 2019 11:29 PM

CW2 Jalistair B — Thu, 30 May 2019 23:29:14 -0400

Oh, nevermind. I see this was posted in 2014, back in "Obama's" army. Now the "PC can't offend anyone" attitude makes sense!

Response by SFC William Allen made May 31 at 2019 5:56 AM

SFC William Allen — Fri, 31 May 2019 05:56:04 -0400

I say that so long as it doesn't cause a problem, what the heck. Some people are just trouble makers and you know who they are. We had a SFC who was a reverse racist and lazy to boot try to cause trouble by demanding a confederate flag be taken down. Even the company commander, who was black told him to stop causing problems where none existed. I am a civil war reenactor and I really know what the flag means. I love flying an American flag and if someone wants to put up a Confederate flag, so long as they themselves are not causing trouble, let it fly!

Response by PO1 Cb Step made May 31 at 2019 8:06 AM

PO1 Cb Step — Fri, 31 May 2019 08:06:52 -0400

I would probably not have it displayed. It creates a a spirit of divisiveness and disunity.

Response by MAJ James Woods made May 31 at 2019 2:10 PM

MAJ James Woods — Fri, 31 May 2019 14:10:39 -0400

A soldier displaying the rebel flag as a personal item in their barracks room is no different than a coworker hanging a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag in their cubicle at the government office. It’s just a reflection of their personal identity but not a reflection of their behavior or expected behavior. Don’t treat it as a big deal but treat it with the same level of respect of any other flag. Don’t fall into the sand trap of bad assumptions.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2019 2:19 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 May 2019 14:19:41 -0400

"Lest We Forget"

Response by SFC Michael D. made May 31 at 2019 4:44 PM

SFC Michael D. — Fri, 31 May 2019 16:44:57 -0400

Very touchy subject. Just curious, what did you end up doing?

Response by PO3 Mike Bek made May 31 at 2019 8:09 PM

PO3 Mike Bek — Fri, 31 May 2019 20:09:32 -0400

It's a historic flag. It waz a battle flag. Other than that there's no other real meaning. So there shouldn't be a problem. It's still an American icon in history.

Response by SSgt Eric Bainbridge made May 31 at 2019 8:50 PM

SSgt Eric Bainbridge — Fri, 31 May 2019 20:50:29 -0400

To maintain good order and discipline, I would remove it as this is a symbol of hatred. It’s being removed from state houses for the same reason across the country. I’d remove this flag the same as I’d remove a Nazi flag.

Response by SSG Phil Miller made May 31 at 2019 9:02 PM

SSG Phil Miller — Fri, 31 May 2019 21:02:29 -0400

Who gives a crap. We are not Nazi Germany or Russia. That is a symbol of the Democratic party. If they want to be reminded that they lost the war every day when they wake up, then let them have it.
We let everyone else come into our country and fly their flags even though they supposedly wanted to escape their country.
Don't be an SJW just to be an SJW. No one likes SJWs.

Response by PFC Donnie Harold Harris made Jun 1 at 2019 4:13 PM

PFC Donnie Harold Harris — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:13:12 -0400

YOU SAY IN tHE SOLDIERS ROOM? NO ONE SEE IT EXCEPT YOU? oN A 1 TO 10, I WOULD GIVE IT A TWO. BECAUSE IT IS UP TO YOU.

Response by LtCol Palmer Brown made Jun 3 at 2019 10:11 PM

LtCol Palmer Brown — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 22:11:29 -0400

If flags are allowed in the rooms, I say let it be. Enough of this PC crap where all the snowflakes are offended by the mere sight of a flag or symbol. We are here to fight and win wars - 'nuff said.

Response by SSG Tim Gilliam made Jun 4 at 2019 3:36 PM

SSG Tim Gilliam — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:36:21 -0400

Pull you head out of the politically correctness and look at your military history for answers, to fault a military member for having this flag is outrageous. My old unit has an ISIS flag in their display case. Does that make them bad because they display the flag of our enemy? If we followed your line of thinking, half the military bases in the United States would have to change their name, hundreds of roads on military bases would have to change their names. Where does it stop, do you want to dig up confederate soldiers from military cemeteries? I wonder, would you show the same indifference toward a Black Panther Flag (the raised fist)? How can displaying a flag in a semiprivate or private barracks room, effect the order and discipline of the troops? When you cast dispersion on others, look hard at yourself. If nothing else, history teaches us that the Civil War deeply divided this nation. As a military member, you had better respect for an enemy that was out gunned, out manned, and still managed to hold off the best this nation could through at them for four years. There is a lot to be learned from the journals of Robert E. Lee. These symbols and names don’t exist because we despised our enemy, they exist because we admired the way they fought us. As we came back together as a nation, they are part of our military history. The Southern Cross, Robert E. Lee’s battle flag is prominently displayed in military museums. The Southern Cross is heritage to some, history to others but it still speaks of a divided nation. If your going to ban it, your justification must be sound. You’re walking a dangerous line with our constitution and freedom of speech. That is why, it is so vague in the regulations and UCMJ.

Response by SFC Gregory King made Jun 11 at 2019 10:28 AM

SFC Gregory King — Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:28:36 -0400

In 1987 During a Barracks inspection a "Soldier in uniform" had the Confederate Flag Nailed to the Wall above his Bunk...According to Military Code of Conduct See above AR 600-15, para 2-4... The Commander imposed the Military Law according to promoting "Good Order and Discipline" The Soldier was "Offended" Acted Out" and was disciplined accordingly. The "Incident was not "Swept under the Rug.It was addressed in Company Formation.explained and "Rectified. End Of Issue..Tighten Up Your Bootstaps and "Move On...P.S. (Same procedure with Flag of Black Panthers and any other Enemy of the State...

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made Jun 14 at 2019 9:54 AM

SP5 Wilbert Jennings — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:54:36 -0400

One can not serve two masters nor can they serve two nations. True the South has a strong history buy the confederate flag to decedents of slaves find it offensive and so would I If I were one of those decedents. America in the North has had a concern with slavery as well but the war wasn't all about slavery it was about the North's unfair taxing and policies towards the Southern States. We are not drafted into the new military and when volunteering to join and asking permission to do so one must accept they joined them and them didn't join him or her. No flag but the Stars and bars should be flown on American soil.

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made Jun 14 at 2019 9:56 AM

SP5 Wilbert Jennings — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:56:44 -0400

Our soldiers ask to join. they are not drafted and in doing so agree to the Code of Conduct and in doing so accept that our Flag is our flag and no other should fly over any American State or territory.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Jun 14 at 2019 2:14 PM

SFC Michael D. — Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:14:35 -0400

He gave an order, you followed it. I respect the fact that you actually are taking time to research it. I salute you.

Response by SFC Don Kehote made Jun 27 at 2019 6:44 PM

SFC Don Kehote — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 18:44:45 -0400

Don't waste time on wall decorations. Is the soldier up to speed on their war fighting skills should be the salient question. Would you be posting on R.P. if it was a gay rainbow flag, a Black Panther flag, the American Nation of Islam flag? Let your conscience and NCO abilities guide you.

Response by PO1 Glen Cook made Jun 27 at 2019 8:11 PM

PO1 Glen Cook — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:11:39 -0400

One of the lost points is that ALL Confederate military people are American Veterans. Ignorance can always find a reason to be angry. Our job should be to educate the ill-informed. Confederate Flags are "still" standards that people bled and died for in the history of this country. Might I suggest those that are whining to take sometime and ponder the message of the Gettysburg Address.

Response by LCpl William Howard made Jun 27 at 2019 10:52 PM

LCpl William Howard — Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:52:09 -0400

I wouldn't do any punishment'

Response by PO2 Kevin Reynalds made Jun 28 at 2019 12:11 PM

PO2 Kevin Reynalds — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 12:11:00 -0400

It was in his private area? As long as it’s not a commie flag, he’s good. His rights too. If anyone gets offended, close the door!

Response by SGT Debra Jahnel made Jun 28 at 2019 2:44 PM

SGT Debra Jahnel — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 14:44:08 -0400

I would take no action, but I would advise the soldier that complaints from his barracks mates might involve its removal to a private location (inside a locker/closet) or elsewhere, regardless of the soldier's color.
As others have said, connections to our personal heritage should not be banned or overlooked - they make us who we are. We are America!

Response by Sgt Marbury Keys made Jun 28 at 2019 3:25 PM

Sgt Marbury Keys — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:25:11 -0400

I would not mind the flag, if it was not used to in still fear and hate against people of color.
This or that incites me and with respect to Army regulations - good order and discipline must be maintained.

Response by Capt Michael Wilford made Jun 28 at 2019 5:31 PM

Capt Michael Wilford — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:31:05 -0400

Every slave ship that sailed to America did so under the US flag. The “Rebel” flag, or, as properly called, the Confederate Battle Colors, is no more racist than any other inanimate object. Only those who are ignorant to history try to say otherwise.

Response by PO2 Steve Tindall made Jun 28 at 2019 7:35 PM

PO2 Steve Tindall — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 19:35:20 -0400

Since it has been modified whether by an eagle in the center or by the picture of Hank Williams Jr in the center then it doesn't violate any known regulation. Unless there had been complaints or cause I'd leave the flag alone.
There have been plenty of instances where after major engagements the victorious troops unfurled The Stars and Bars to signify their Southern Pride and the commanders not only allowed it but encouraged it to help moral and unit cohesion.

Response by LCpl Steve Zupan made Jun 28 at 2019 8:57 PM

LCpl Steve Zupan — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:57:36 -0400

Is the gay pride flag, a legit flag, compared to the Rebel Flag?...#SetItOff

Response by LCpl Steve Zupan made Jun 28 at 2019 9:16 PM

LCpl Steve Zupan — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 21:16:37 -0400

Millennial snowflakes...."oh dear!, I got sand in my pucy!"....

Response by SGT Thomas Cornfield made Jun 28 at 2019 10:34 PM

SGT Thomas Cornfield — Fri, 28 Jun 2019 22:34:23 -0400

People can burn the USA flag and the supreme court said it was free speech!!!! whatever you want to call it, a Flag is a Flag and freedom of speech . I would tell him to put it in his/hers personal area, and not in public view

Response by SSG Dave Mathews made Jun 29 at 2019 6:42 AM

SSG Dave Mathews — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 06:42:52 -0400

When I inspected my troops, I gave them a small latitude for personal items, I never discouraged Esprit De corp and I know they are human before anything else. If it wasn't blatant un-reg then I had no problem. I always tried to educate my younger officers to be more sensitive to their soldiers bonding methods !! As PLT Sgt, I used my soothing and educating ways to keep the peace !!!!

Response by SPC William Snyder made Jun 29 at 2019 8:53 AM

SPC William Snyder — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:53:27 -0400

So for all of those who say the Confederate battle flag is part of their history, would you get a swastika tattoo or flag if you were of German heritage? The Confederate flag was designed by William T Thompson who was an avowed white supremacist . Each southern state's Articles of Secessation included a statement concerning maintaining the superiority of the white race. For the rebel flag fliers who tell us we should read some history, maybe they should do so as well.

Additionally, the so called rebel flag was the battle standard for a force fighting against the United States of America. If you display that flag you are basically violating your Oath of Enlistment.

Response by Cpl Michael Littleton made Jun 29 at 2019 10:11 AM

Cpl Michael Littleton — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:11:34 -0400

I think you answered your own question. First it’s in his room. It’s not in a open barracks. Second you would not be asking if it was a Modified Nazi Flag! So per regulations it can stay put as is. But if you are worried about it? A compliance officer would say if you have to ask. Then it goes.

Response by Cpl Thomas Wiklanski made Jun 29 at 2019 11:39 AM

Cpl Thomas Wiklanski — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:39:44 -0400

It's heritage, not hate. The Confederate flag is an honorable part of history. Those who are offended by it should be counseled and educated as to its heritage, history and meaning...
It is interesting to note that slavery existed under the American flag for far longer than that of the Confederacy. It might be of interest to some that blacks fought for the Confederacy as well. In those days, one was considered to be a part of and fought for one's state, NOT the federal government.

Response by COL Kasey Warner made Jun 29 at 2019 8:59 PM

COL Kasey Warner — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:59:59 -0400

I would determine the owner, explain to him and her that the Confederate flag is prejudicial to good order in the barracks, and return the flag to the owner with an order not to display it in the barracks or elsewhere on the military post.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2019 9:31 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 21:31:50 -0400

Lets go back to being a tough nation, and having a tough skin. Lets be a nation of leaders and doer! Seen too many people offended over nothing. If you don't like something, just suck it up! Now all I hear is an opinion about almost everything. When I went through boot camp which was a long time ago the, if you needed an opinion, you have been issued it. Today I see SGT's getting flagged for calling a PVT a buttercup and it being offensive and /or having sexual meanings. Really? We received a lot of abuse back then and I'm sorry it made us tougher and maybe even smarter. If we disagreed we'd go to the gym and put on the gloves and beat the hell out of each other and then have a beer. Really don't care if you agree with me, but I bet I will get a few of those opinions everyone seems to have. Non ducor, duco.

Response by 1LT Kurt Mccarthy made Jun 29 at 2019 10:22 PM

1LT Kurt Mccarthy — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 22:22:43 -0400

The Rebel Flag is simply Southern Heritage. Dont let CNN spin your ideas of what the Rebel Flag actually represents. It's in his barracks room and yes it does offend some people. However, it's not out in the open and I dont see the problem unless a Soldier specifically complained to you about it. You're crossing the boarderline between being a leader and being a dictator... Just my 2 cents.

Response by Sgt John Meister made Jun 30 at 2019 5:20 AM

Sgt John Meister — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 05:20:41 -0400

Wow. Trying to stir the pot? Separate groups? Cause anger and hatred? Do you want that in this forum?

Bringing up controversy like this where, if you know anything about anything, there are strong feelings on both sides of the argument, is very deceitful.

It is the same tactics used by communists, socialists, CNN, and others to divide people. Your post is hate inciting and not worthy of discussion in this forum in my opinion.

Response by SrA Zo Evans Sr made Jun 30 at 2019 3:45 PM

SrA Zo Evans Sr — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:45:16 -0400

The Rebel Flag to me doesn’t symbolize racism. I have friends who have it tattooed on them. It’s a southern flag that has more meaning than what the media is trying to portray it as.

Response by SrA Zo Evans Sr made Jun 30 at 2019 3:48 PM

SrA Zo Evans Sr — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:48:45 -0400

Shit! The General Lee from the Dukes of Hazard has the Rebel flag on it! WTF?!? So, are the powers that be gonna remove that too?? Seriously...

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2019 5:08 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:08:54 -0400

Burn it. Publicly. There's a lot of apologists and also those saying that it's historical, or equating it with Japanese or German historical flags: I'd like to remind everybody that both countries changed their flags after their just defeats. Some crap was said about our own flag: but then, we're in the service of the Union in the US Army and that comes with acknowledging our faults as we fly our colors, not running up the colors of a flag that only existed in one war for one purpose. The Army of Northern Virginia fought for States rights to own slaves full stop. It is purely a symbol of hate only to be flown in historical context (gravesites, reenactments, movies, etc). This isn't a "sensitivity issue", this is a loyalty issue. Confederate apologists and lost cause revision has retroactively attempted to downplay the reason for the war and also damaged our community fabric: it has also been used in modern context to promote social practices that keep us divided by race. It is still am enemy flag and a hostile concept to that of a free and united republic. At present, the flag is increasingly associated with current racist hate groups. It has never been on the right side of history. I say burn it on the anniversary of the surrender at Appomattox. The only reason the rebels were permitted to retire with any dignity was due to the interests of the time and the desire to bring about the end of the war, not because the rebel cause had any shred of merit: they all were traitors. It's a traitor's flag and should NEVER be flown in a US Army barracks, the US Army won and deserves the fruits of a just victory and the full and uncompromising loyalty of its soldiers. There is not room for second loyalties to racist separatist provincial traitors and their ignorant lackeys.

Response by SrA Kevin Daily made Jun 30 at 2019 6:29 PM

SrA Kevin Daily — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:29:41 -0400

its the flag of an enemy

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2019 9:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:02:53 -0400

If the soldiers room is clean what's the problem it's a deep part of U.S. Army history West point has monuments to Confederate West point officers and at least 10 US forts and installations are named after confederate generals Fort Hood, Benning, Picket, Bragg and it goes on even units that fought on the Confederate side get to have the streamers for it on their Guidons. Is it only ok for the Army to be proud of its Confederate family history? As long as the SM isn't wearing one in uniform of flying one at work and it just stays in his room or in his off duty life what's the issue. And if you're making the soldier take it down because of some PC its racist thing you're only fueling that soldier with hate for whatever lesson you think you're teaching your average "racist" who flies the Confederate flag does to be a Rebel and is expecting and wanting the push back. The whole because it's racist thing turns into a real slippery slope if it was a Mississippi flag would you have them take it down, if you had a soldier from Israel and that soldier wanted to hang up an Israeli flag would you let him or would you tell him to take it down because a muslim soldier could easily be offended by it? Where does the line of not wanting to offend anyone because of precised PC racism stop.

Response by SGT Eugene Brooks made Jul 1 at 2019 3:21 PM

SGT Eugene Brooks — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:21:33 -0400

I think the Flag of the South, with or with out embellishment should be and always be a free choice of the user. We all know that the south will never rise again so display of the flag should remain with the dis player. If anyone has a problem with it too bad.
In Vietnam I flew a rebel flag as you call it over my hooch and it was never a problem with anyone. There was an American flag on one of the infantry fox holes near by that received several holes from bullets fired at it by who ever was shooting at us. My flag never received a single round. Was it respect for the Southern flag or we because old Charlie didn't hate the southern States as much as the the United States. And before you claim this as a racist statement be aware I am an American with native American heritage. If anyone has a right to fly any so called rebel flag it would be any NATIVE American not a transplanted European. Thank you for your Service and when you are ready to return to Europe let me know and I am sure I can find a way to help you on your way.

Response by FN Christopher Tiboni made Jul 1 at 2019 6:30 PM

FN Christopher Tiboni — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 18:30:14 -0400

It can be be there, please the United States Constitution, Amendment # 1 for further reference.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2019 6:30 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 18:30:27 -0400

"Who or what determines that this is a violation." You answered it yourself. The commander should be the one to make that determination. It is His/Her command and overall responsible for good order and discipline.

Going into that decision though is a much more convoluted topic and will vary from CO to CO. It could be a CO who personally feels one way or another about the Confederate Flag. It could be a CO who wants to balance command opinion vs free speech of said individual. It could be a CO who wants everyone to feel that putting on a uniform doesn't relieve you of your free speech. He/She may also take into account that the flag (in this case) was in a barracks room and not being made into a public statement.

Note: You said AR 600-15 is the instruction, however a google search shows this as "Personnel - General Indebtedness of Military Personnel " and nothing to do with good order and discipline. If you go to the Commanders Handbook, (http://www.kansastag.gov/AdvHTML_Upload/files/Commanders%20Handbook%20-%20Final%20as%20of% [login to see] %5B1%5D.pdf) and on page 43, section C, you will find what you're talking about there though. Try to ensure you have the correct documents and if you have an instruction, link it as well. If Google led me astray (I'm Navy so I don't know Army regs), please feel free to let me know.

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Response by SSG Richard Brue made Jul 2 at 2019 6:06 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 06:06:04 -0400

After the fal of the wall, I had an East German (DDR) flag on my wall for years. As long as the soldier doesn't have it hanging intimidation or hate, there should not be any problems. JUst make sure the soldier know that the unit commander can make him take it down without a reason. He may want to take it down during room inspections if anyone thinks there are going to be problems.

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made Jul 2 at 2019 8:04 AM

SSG(P) Ell Pizarek — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 08:04:26 -0400

SFC King, you noted that this flag was modified. Have you ever considered instead of going to such efforts of finding a way to removing it, get to know your soldiers and ask him what the meaning of the modifications are and what it means to him. You have to consider the dynamics of the unit. If you don't see any diversity issues and you remove this flag, you could cause a riff that will only be resolved with your departure. Talk with the soldiers it's quicker, less offensive, and you might learn something.

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made Jul 2 at 2019 8:13 AM

SSG(P) Ell Pizarek — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 08:13:43 -0400

There should be a building management department the same as if a major plumbing issue occurs. The mold needs to be cleaned, but the cause needs to be identified and resolved. It could be much larger then you or your coc could imagine.

Response by SSG Rob Hanson made Jul 2 at 2019 4:08 PM

SSG Rob Hanson — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:08:51 -0400

Corporate decisive propaganda strikes again. Here's some advice, teach your soldiers to think for themselves and not be lead by the psyop that is our foreign owned media.

Response by SFC Kory Schaubhut made Jul 2 at 2019 5:35 PM

SFC Kory Schaubhut — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 17:35:39 -0400

IMO it matters whether the soldier has a roommate and how the roommate feels about it, if any kind of way. If there's no roommate, I might just comment on it tactfully. Like you said, the Commander determines it. You might go with, "Take it down for now and I'll let you know whether you can hang it up again."

If nobody's currently offended in any way, the main thing you don't want to happen is for it to become an issue in some level of inspection higher than yourself. My best guess is your commander would say to take it down, but you never know. Certainly, a soldier could keep it up in his house (i.e. not the barracks). So there should be some kind of expressed reason to have him take it down.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Jul 3 at 2019 12:40 AM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:40:57 -0400

For me it would be no big deal. But it seems that we make a big deal over something that has nothing to do with the heritage of ones believes. You have to be bias to all individuals and I know its hard to accept or reject with your believes. A flag is a symbol of ones salvation and if it makes him or her happy to display it with no recourse from other barracks personnel then leave it alone. Single Military Personnel has little or no privacy where they live at. Its their safe haven from reality.

Response by A1C Jacob Klemp made Jul 3 at 2019 12:52 AM

A1C Jacob Klemp — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:52:51 -0400

After reading many comments I've concluded that some consider the flag offensive, some see it as a source of pride, and some are indifferent. So what we're really talking about is not whether the flag should be taken down for being offensive or not, but rather, whether the offended or the proud have more of a right to be accommodated.

For most of my life the rule was "You have a right to offend and be offended", but over the last 5 or so years it's "You have the right to NOT be offended and you DON'T have the right to offend." It's way easier and more fair to let everyone be offended/offensive than to try and prevent it, so I say let all flags, statues, monuments, honorary names, etc. stand and, maybe once people accept that that's just the way it's going to be, they'll finally learn to be tolerant and many of these issues (like the original post) will suddenly be non-issues.

Response by A1C Jacob Klemp made Jul 3 at 2019 12:56 AM

A1C Jacob Klemp — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:56:20 -0400

Response by SP6 Zz377zz . made Jul 3 at 2019 9:04 AM

SP6 Zz377zz . — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 09:04:14 -0400

I would take none, what if someone had the British flag hanging in their room?Someone who went to war with us twice,killed many Americans,kept millions subservient world wide.

Response by CPO Paul Klein made Jul 3 at 2019 12:01 PM

CPO Paul Klein — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:01:02 -0400

Unless the military is going to become thought police, nothing should be done about the flag. Too many politically correct people are working to destroy or rewrite American history to conform to their standards and beliefs. Unless this individual has acted in an unprofessional manner, leave it be, it will only hurt your credibility.

Response by SSG Jaime Ramos made Jul 3 at 2019 1:13 PM

SSG Jaime Ramos — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 13:13:08 -0400

This link will show you why that flag does not belong in a diverse force...to some of you, it may represent "southern pride," to some it represents bigotry
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The KKK to start neighborhood watch in nearly crime-free town

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Response by FN Kenneth Finks made Jul 3 at 2019 2:26 PM

FN Kenneth Finks — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 14:26:46 -0400

Burn it in front of the one who bought it and have him in front of company with back turned to him

Response by PO1 Robert Chalmers made Jul 3 at 2019 5:35 PM

PO1 Robert Chalmers — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 17:35:13 -0400

Back in the early 1980's I had a Confederate flag in my room in the barracks. It was a six-man room, and 2 of us were White, 3 were Black, and the sixth was Hispanic, so actually I was in the minority in that room. None of my roommates ever complained about it, especially when I mentioned that I had relatives who fought on BOTH sides of the Civil War. But none of their visitors ever complained to me, or my roommates, about it. We each did our own thing and had things that we felt represented our families, our backgrounds, and things that we just plain liked , and we didn't hassle each other about it.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2019 9:33 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:33:39 -0400

Unless it is visible to the whole world, let it go.

Response by Maj Neil Cosentino made Jul 4 at 2019 6:57 PM

Maj Neil Cosentino — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 18:57:18 -0400

The Flag of Traitors ... if you do not believe in the Constitution leave the county ...go to
Russia they love Republicans, especially their GOP RED iPOTUS

Response by Cpl John Cogswell made Jul 5 at 2019 5:17 AM

Cpl John Cogswell — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 05:17:00 -0400

Very simple for me. Presuming I am in the troops chain of command, I would politely and informally ask them to personally remove the flag for me. If they offer resistance, then I know their loyalty is to the flag and not me. If that flag is not the flag under which we serve, then it has been made clear to me that a personal request by me to maintain good order and discipline by that troop has less value than his preference to display the flag.

At which I point I would have it struck, and consider the Marine's conduct marks accordingly for the next quarter.

I would also explain my logic and reasoning to the Marine and ask if they had any questions about it.

They are free to pursue shattering off base and fly whatever rag they choose the domicile of their choosing, but not in my barracks.

Response by SPC Kenneth Berry made Jul 5 at 2019 5:59 PM

SPC Kenneth Berry — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:59:20 -0400

Ok, Ya'll want to talk about the Stars and Bars as a hate flag or even a flag for slavery. The northern States thought that the southern states were to independent and wanted them to be dependent on they for some goods and they thought the southern states should give them their product cheaper. When the south said no they thought of what they could do to bring the south to their knees and that is when they came up with releasing the slaves, but not all the slaves just the ones in the south.The northern states that had slaves it was ok to keep. Read the history you will find that the north had it fair share. It was about someone telling another what they can do and what they can't. Slavery did not come about until the north knew it would lose the war if it did not do something. I was born in the south, raised in the north and I'm a heinz 57, which means I have alot of different ancestry.

Response by PFC Rob Swofford made Jul 7 at 2019 9:25 AM

PFC Rob Swofford — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:25:24 -0400

they lost. might as well have a nazi flag and say it reprensents their "German" heritage. it's a flag of an enemy of this nation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2019 9:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:36:27 -0400

If his or her roommates didn't care about the flag neither would I.
I had a Alabama flag on my wall when I lived in the barracks.

Response by SFC Matthew Del Rossi made Jul 10 at 2019 9:08 PM

SFC Matthew Del Rossi — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 21:08:04 -0400

A crazy idea talk to 1SG concerning this and see what the company command stance is.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2019 5:55 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 05:55:57 -0400

Burn that flag to ashes. Burn it publicly, too. That flag is a traitor flag, the flag of the traitorous Confederacy who revolted against the U.S. over bullshit reasons and in desiring to preserve slavery in the nation. The Civil War was hugely disastrous and cost the nation over 600,000 lives because of the hubris and stupidity of the Southern states in seeking to turn traitor against the nation rather than sort out their differences through legal or legislative means; the rebel flag is a direct assault on the American flag, the Constitution and the *United* States which every soldier has sworn to represent and defend with their lives. If I had my way, that stupid flag would be outlawed across the country and burned, every last one of them. You can't call yourself a patriot of the U.S. and yet wave the flag of traitors with pride.
Committing treason against the nation used to carry severe penalties, but the South has persisted in keeping their treasonous past alive through symbols such as this. It sure as hell has no place in the military of the United States. You wouldn't allow your soldiers to display a Nazi flag in their barracks, would you? Then neither should a Confederate flag be present.

And if any of you butthurt Confederate sympathizers are thinking I'm just brainwashed or presenting a biased narrative, I'll have you know I'm a credited historian and I know more about Southern culture, traditions and history than you and most Southerners ever will. That flag is worthless, treasonous to the nation and should be destroyed.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jul 12 at 2019 8:53 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:53:30 -0400

my AR 600-15 is on indebtedness of soldiers...

Maybe it is DA pamphlet.

2–4. Command authority

Commanders have the authority to prohibit military personnel from engaging in or participating in any other activitiesthat the commander determines will adversely affect good order and discipline or morale within the command. Thisincludes, but is not limited to, the authority to order the removal of symbols, flags, posters, or other displays frombarracks, to place areas or activities off-limits (see AR 190-24), or to order soldiers not to participate in those activitiesthat are contrary to good order and discipline or morale of the unit or pose a threat to health, safety, and security ofmilitary personnel or a military installation.

2–5. Command options

Commander’s options for dealing with a soldier’s violation of the prohibitions include--a. UCMJ action. Possible violations in connection with participation in extremist organizations include but are notlimited to:(1) Article 92, violation or failure to obey lawful general order or regulation (for example, participation indemonstrations, distributions of literature without approval, or unlawful discrimination).(2) Article 116, riot or breach of peace(3) Article 117, provoking speeches or gestures(4) Article 134, general article, specifically, conduct which is prejudicial to good order and discipline or servicediscrediting.b. Involuntary separation for unsatisfactory performance or misconduct, or for conduct deemed prejudicial to goodorder and discipline or morale.c. Reclassification actions or bar to reenlistment actions, as appropriate.d. Other administrative or disciplinary action deemed appropriate by the commander, to include counseling, basedon the specific facts and circumstances of the particular case.

I would tell him to remove it, and explain to him that he could face an article 15 for "extremist" activities. If he argued with me, i would take it to his Squad Leader, if you are his squad leader, i would take it to the Platoon SGT, and ask to see the first SGT, who can then get strait to the CO, if needed.

You don't want to jump the chain of command, but it is ultimately the Commanding officer who makes the determination, and the PLT Leader might get but hurt, but this is really "enlisted" business, you just need to know the policy first before you take corrective action. But, i would start with the soldier, and see how receptive he is to being a decent soldier.

Sometimes letting them know that it is unacceptable is enough for them to pull their head out of their ass.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jul 12 at 2019 9:00 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 21:00:06 -0400

The rebel flag, is not conducive to good order and discipline.
Anyone can understand how it could be seen as offensive.

It doesn't matte that the American Flag has blood on it, it is now, and always has been, the symbol of the Union.

"These colors don't run" really? Then why did they lose.

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made Jul 14 at 2019 11:20 AM

SGT Lance LeBerte — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:20:39 -0400

Leave it, until some pansy gets their feelings hurt and complains, then maybe suggest counseling for the whiner

Response by PO1 Paul Godfrey made Jul 16 at 2019 12:08 AM

PO1 Paul Godfrey — Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:08:33 -0400

The Confederate flag is only a symbol of pride and heritage, but here is a idea! We all can pretend the Civil War never happened which means my Great Great Grandfather didn't get killed in Atlanta and my other Great Great Grandfather wasn't wounded at the battle of Gettysburg. But let's get real, the Civil War was fought over States rights, slavery was one of the issue. Quick read a history book before our history is wrote out!! American by birth, Southern by the grace of God. To many people want to put another word in front of American such as Native American, African American, HELL we all are Americans and the Confederate flag is part of every Americans heritage. I do hope I haven't hurt anyone feeling but if I have I guess you will just have to get over it.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jul 25 at 2019 5:16 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:16:29 -0400

Depends on your EO policy. Some people think, "WHO CARES?!? IT'S JUST A FLAG!" But the EO prohibits paraphenalia that is considered extremist, in poor taste, or goes against maintaining good order and discipline within the unit. Some units let them fly, others are like "TAKE THAT CRAP DOWN!" Soldiers have also complained to me with "it's my personal space, Sergeant." I reminded them that "it's a space on-loan to you from the government, which is a privilege that can be suspended."

Response by LTC Charles Lauderdale made Jul 27 at 2019 1:21 AM

LTC Charles Lauderdale — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 01:21:44 -0400

Damn, don't think I would survive very long in this here modern military. I commanded a mechanized infantry company in Vietnam up in the highlands with the tall grasses on the plains and thick trees and brush in the foothills. We flew all manner of flags from every antenna, but mostly state flags. Do you know how many soldiers come from states with confederate flags or portions of the same in their state flags. Guess I getting too old to participate in a revolution to negate all this PC and Progressive BS? Hey, if you guys would let me take a nap about mid-afternoon and don't make me carry the M-60 bet I could carry my own ruck. What do you say? Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Aug 7 at 2019 6:52 AM

CPO Leonard Orth — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 06:52:35 -0400

All but one reply to this post/question, that I read, are excellent examples of ignorant chest thumping by true American patriots.
It doesn't matter what each of you believe about your favorite non-racist (wink, wink) symbol of hate and intolerance. The world has come to view your favorite racist symbol of hate and intolerance as, well, a racist symbol of hate and intolerance.
You shouldn't want to hang despicable, racist symbols of hate and intolerance in your barracks room because you're better than the racist rednecks back home. Problem is you aren't. And you are getting plenty of horrible advice and reinforcement from other racist rednecks.
Remember your General Orders from boot camp? #6 the one about receiving and obeying the orders of the Commanding Officer and down the food chain?
Be better than the sniveling racist you are portraying yourself as now.

Response by LCpl Shareem Goodlet made Aug 7 at 2019 6:27 PM

LCpl Shareem Goodlet — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 18:27:06 -0400

If you have to come up with "what abouts" then that tells everything needed to be heard. The Confederate flag has no place. Flags from countries of heritage is different. And yeah, the current flag has a lot of negative history but we all signed up to serve IT, NOT the Confederacy. It's a flag used by racists and neo-Nazi's alike as representation of the hate. WAY too many ppl are trying WAY too hard to be "anti-PC".

Response by SGT Peter Wilks made Aug 8 at 2019 3:50 PM

SGT Peter Wilks — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:50:52 -0400

SFC King, do nothing. What is to be done? If you confiscated the flag, you run the risk of infringing on the soldier's first amendment rights. If he took the issue to court, he would probably win. But this would be a waste of time, energy and resources that could be better spent training that soldier in some activity that matters.

Response by PFC Steve Cox made Aug 8 at 2019 5:46 PM

PFC Steve Cox — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:46:27 -0400

The flag of the Confederacy was ordered stricken from display at the end of the Civil War - not because they lost but because of the effect it had in the South during the reconstruction era. That did not mean it was not flown, but once all the CSA army veterans were gone there was no point to displaying it. I believe this example you are writing about should not be on display or in the personal effects of the soldier who it belongs to. It should be taken down and the soldier should be allowed to send it home. If the soldier does not want to comply then it can be ordered taken down and disposed of because it does and will provoke controversy in the ranks, and as such is bad for troop morale.

When I was serving during the Vietnam war, the only flag that was displayed on post was the garrison flag at post HQ. No one I know had a personal flag, except for one soldier who had it tattooed on his right deltoid. That was only exposed in the shower, and believe me no one looked or cared.

I would say that this modified Confederate Flag is not good for troop morale and the controversy around it should end with it being taken down. No ceremony, just take it down respectfully and fold it like you would any US flag. Then retire it and leave it at that.

Response by PFC Joshua Dill made Aug 8 at 2019 9:26 PM

PFC Joshua Dill — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 21:26:09 -0400

Commander's discretion then right?

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Aug 9 at 2019 2:21 PM

SGT James Hunsinger — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 14:21:14 -0400

I am from the South. My family is from the south. I had relatives fight on both sides of the Civil War. I had relatives die in Sherman's March to the Sea. What my family didn't have was slaves. They didn't fight to keep something they didn't have. PERIOD! They still served with honor and fought for their land, their farms that got burned to the ground and their families as Sherman made his march committing what would be by today's paradigms, war crimes all the way.

Unlike some, I don't try to apply today's societal paradigms to the past. Sherman did what he had to do to end the war. I'm ok with that. Plus I didn't live through it so I don't feel the need to play the victim in something I was never a part of.

Anyone who knows me personally knows I am not racist in any way, shape or form. I won't use the cliche of "I have black friends." Instead, I will tell you I have African American, Asian, Hispanic, and Pacific Islander brothers and sisters that have stayed under my roof, taken many meals with me and who I would die or kill for.

I had a Confederate flag on my motorcycle and in my barracks room. I had a commander tell me I needed to remove both. I refused. I told him that as long as other soldiers where flying other nations flags in their rooms and in their cars I would not remove mine. I told him I would take an Article-15 first and then demand a court martial instead. The EO representative told him he would probably lose anyway. That was part of my home state's flag and represents pride in my family heritage. I don't give a damn what anyone else says it means to them. I don't allow my views and values to be dictated by others. If my flag means slavery to you, well, I'm sorry about that. I can only tell you it is not what it represents to me and many others and I was willing to risk my army career at that time for that ideal. If you can't accept my explanation then that is a YOU problem and you need to go work it out with yourself.

Response by CPO Bc Barnard made Aug 9 at 2019 3:41 PM

CPO Bc Barnard — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 15:41:15 -0400

Unfortunately personal opinion is used in too many cases even when regulation is clear. I remember at one command where an inspector, (female) had all male barracks remove any pinups or pictures including a picture of one Sailor's girlfriend posing in a bikini. Later while inspecting the room of 2 female sailors she allowed them to keep pin ups of naked men. When her recorder asked why this was allowed she responded that she did not find these pictures to be offensive. This is a pretty simple case of right and wrong, the issue is much more complicated, how about Naturalized citizens that hail from Italy, Japan or Germany, there is great pride in their heritage and they often have flags hung in honor of it, should these be removed because we fought wars against these countries? Of course not and the South has given this country a majority of those that have chosen to wear the uniform so we shouldn't disallow their pride in heritage even if at this time it is under attack like never before.

Response by CPL Glynnda White made Aug 9 at 2019 5:08 PM

CPL Glynnda White — Fri, 09 Aug 2019 17:08:52 -0400

as a person in authority you must as a leader leave politics, especially your personal politics out of this...what do the regulations say about hanging flags in a barracks room....the military is not about political correctness but about readiness....does having this flag in the room affect the readiness of this soldier? THAT is your concern. The politics of this person is NOT your concern....from the reading of your question it sounds as if you have already decided the soldier is in violation or lacks common sense simply because the person has a point of view you don't appear to agree with....if this is your stance, you do not belong in a leadership position and should step down....leadership is about leading, not keeping everyone politically happy. Different people have different viewpoints, but in the military all are together for one purpose....readiness, the protection and service to this nation.

Response by LTC Dr Anna Payne made Aug 10 at 2019 6:54 AM

LTC Dr Anna Payne — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 06:54:36 -0400

I believe it is a shameful part of my history. The south enslaved human beings in order to earn a livelihood. Thise slaves from Africa were valued by southern people as 3/5th of a person. That is not the part of the history of this country we should be proud of. As a white American, I am not. The Nazis also had a flag and it is a part of the German history. The German people are not proud of that symbol of hate and violence against a group of people. We should not emulate the Confederate flag as an American symbol. It is just a flag that should be left in history books as a reminder of how cruel we were as a nation in the beginning.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Aug 10 at 2019 2:26 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:26:28 -0400

As a Washingtonian, I would have no issue with that flag. If there is an issue, I would consider switching the roommates.

Response by SSgt Phil O'Hearin made Aug 11 at 2019 2:47 PM

SSgt Phil O'Hearin — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:47:34 -0400

I'd stick with the bases policy regarding the particular display of certain items; otherwise butt out.

Response by SSG Severin Parra made Aug 11 at 2019 3:28 PM

SSG Severin Parra — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:28:37 -0400

I personally don't like it, but if it's inside his room and out of public view there's virtually nothing you can do about it. BOSS will have your ass if you do, it's getting increasingly harder to tell Joe to even keep his room clean let alone how to decorate it.
There's entire bases named after Confederate generals as well; something to consider.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2019 5:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:07:20 -0400

you basically represent a group that went against the same country you signed up to serve ? lmao

Response by SN Robbie Malone made Aug 11 at 2019 7:33 PM

SN Robbie Malone — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:33:22 -0400

I would see what does the UCMJ says and other regulations, since we are under those laws that regulate the military. Or maybe the person keeps it and not have it on display. but, no matter even if we are in the military we still have civilian thoughts and mindset, freedom of speech, religious freedom and what we been taught and cherish.You really can't wipe that out.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Aug 11 at 2019 9:41 PM

SGT Thomas Seward — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:41:20 -0400

One of my platoon mates in Germany bought an original Nazi banner and a WW2 German Army tanker officers uniform from the old German that wore the uniform and took down the banner in Nuremberg. Other guys had Nazi Army helmets and uniforms that they had picked up.
I have some 5 Reichs Mark coins with swasticas on them, some East German marks that I brought out of East Berlin, and a couple of Nazi Army NCO shoulder boards.

All of this was in the barracks and seen on inspections. The 1SG and CSM had stuff in their offices and would sometimes try to buy stuff for their collections.

This was in the early 80’s, and lots has changed, but none of this made any of us Nazi’s or Nazi sympathizers. It made us collectors.
FYI Over the years I’ve added Iraqi, Honduran, Nicaraguan, Cuban, Soviet, French, and Iranian military items to my collection.

Response by SPC Paul Adams made Aug 11 at 2019 9:52 PM

SPC Paul Adams — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:52:37 -0400

You have better things to do than worry about the Battle flag hanging in his barracks room. Now if hes flying the flag of a different MOS, say hes an MP flying sigcorps or Engineers then yes rip him a new one. But a flag is a flag.

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Aug 11 at 2019 10:41 PM

CPO Lou Oliver — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:41:11 -0400

"to maintain good order and discipline" If no one is upset there is no problem, don't create one.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 2:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 02:27:07 -0400

Once the flag fell into the hands of the KKK and the atrocities they committed it has an attachment to racism and terrorism. Regardless of what it’s history represented. Same thing with the Nazi symbol, it once stood for peace but now, it was attached to something evil as well. If there was a compassion for others, this wouldn’t have to be explained.

Response by SFC Robert Mercantini made Aug 12 at 2019 8:01 AM

SFC Robert Mercantini — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:01:13 -0400

I have no love for anything from the confederacy. I’m from NJ we won. However to identify racism with the confederate flag now is to identify the raised fist with its beginnings. And no it did not start with people who identify as oppressed.

Response by CW4 Thomas Shefflette made Aug 12 at 2019 11:24 AM

CW4 Thomas Shefflette — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:24:52 -0400

Having been both a drill instructor and a company commander, I see nothing wrong with either the Confederate Battle Flag or a modified version of it. Since what everyone wants to call the "Rebel" or "Confederate" flag is actually neither there is nothing wrong im my eyes. People need a history lesson and actual see the true Confederate States of America flags (there were multiple during the war) and what the CSA army and navy flew. Let's look at it all with open eyes and look at it with an open mind.

Response by SP6 Bryan Evans made Aug 12 at 2019 1:08 PM

SP6 Bryan Evans — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:08:14 -0400

Had a squad leader once who was a Nazi. Had a Nazi flag, Nazi memorabilia, cool little Nazi models. Nobody seemed to care. Times change.

Response by SP6 Bryan Evans made Aug 12 at 2019 1:10 PM

SP6 Bryan Evans — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:10:38 -0400

Had a squad leader once who was a Nazi. Had a big Nazi flag, Nazi memorabilia, little Nazi toys and models. Nobody cared. The dude next door was a black guy who busted Too Live Crew and was a member of the Muslim People's Front. Nobody cared. Times change.

Response by SFC Brian Chambers made Aug 12 at 2019 7:43 PM

SFC Brian Chambers — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:43:58 -0400

Its American, and it was approved by congress in fact many including one William veron Chambers csa, drew a va pension so it apart of america! No foul!

Response by SGT(P) Matthew Kremer made Aug 13 at 2019 1:21 AM

SGT(P) Matthew Kremer — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 01:21:41 -0400

It depends if there are policies/rules regarding the flag. If not, the punishment would seemingly be discriminatory based upon the opinions/feelings of the individual's Command.

Response by Brian Hope made Aug 13 at 2019 9:45 AM

Brian Hope — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:45:57 -0400

In the current climate being pc af is the order of the day. That being said, overlooking the flag would be kool on you. I’m sure as a soldier you have so much on you with all the expectations of you and your performance and having that one thing in your personal belongings that reminds you of home or whatever is crucial to the morale of the the person concerned and to the unit as a whole. And really how much harm is it causing? Also I am the type of person who doesn’t want to cause a scene which it would most likely do.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Aug 13 at 2019 11:15 AM

SGT Charles Bartell — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:15:34 -0400

This is anther look for something to be offended about thing.
It is o.k. for people to put up any flag they want. That offends any one that is white.
But if that same flag offends some one that is not white or a lefty then the world will end.
All you fucking crybaby's that want to be offended. There is some thing seriously wrong with all of you.
Just all all you ass clowns that think. it is o.k. to be Prejudges ageist any one. That includes all you black people that still blame every body that is white or what ever they are of keeping you down or back.
That is the stupid shit that keeps all of this hate and discontent going.
All of you need to get over your self's and just try to get along.

The reason this shit still keeps going on. Is all most all people focus on what makes us different vs. what have in common.
Most of our people have fought in wars learning to hate our enemy's then after those war's end most learn to work and live together, even like each other.
I know that most of you will still want to be offended and play the political games. I truly feel sorry for you because you will never be happy unless people hate and blame each other.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2019 2:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:27:46 -0400

The civil war was about slavery. Period, end of discussion. We should not celebrate losers. https://youtu.be/pcy7qV-BGF4

Was the Civil War About Slavery?

What caused the Civil War? Did the North care about abolishing slavery? Did the South secede because of slavery? Or was it about something else entirely...pe...

Response by SP5 George Traylor made Aug 13 at 2019 5:24 PM

SP5 George Traylor — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:24:12 -0400

Im from the south and Its ok just not flag by itself on a pole, at your mountain retreat is ok, I raised my hand in the induction ceremony under the red white and blue. cool question. thks.

Response by SGT Patrick Jackson made Aug 14 at 2019 12:14 AM

SGT Patrick Jackson — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 00:14:44 -0400

Nothing racist or bad about it. It is called History. Can't run from it.

Response by CDR Henry Baker made Aug 14 at 2019 11:39 AM

CDR Henry Baker — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:39:17 -0400

It can legitimately called a symbol of treason's despite some people's viewing of it as a sign of regional/familial heritage/pride. Due to that, the best course of action is to pull them aside, explain how it is viewed that way by a MAJORITY of Americans, and have them remove it.

Response by SrA Harold Lee made Aug 14 at 2019 12:13 PM

SrA Harold Lee — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:13:03 -0400

Our society is much more diverse than 150 years ago. So, should an Islamic flag fly beside US flag or the Japanese or any other flag of nations we defeated, simply because we have thousands of their country men/women as citizens living in our country? Some of us have no "Pride" attached to our being here beyond being born here and our ancestors fighting and dying for this country with only the American Flag/ Old Glory/ The Star Spangled Banner as our symbol of Hope and Allegiance. And we are darn proud of it.

Response by SGT Terry Bacus made Aug 15 at 2019 10:59 AM

SGT Terry Bacus — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:59:04 -0400

I would explain to him that flag or symbol represents an enemy of the United States and was employed by traitors when they killed USA troops. It is no more appropriate to show than a NAZI or Japanese flag.

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made Aug 18 at 2019 4:36 PM

SrA Brett Stratton — Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:36:34 -0400

Just my two cents, but the key words that stuck out to me was "modified" meaning this is not an official flag, but a very personalized one. If it was me, I'd have it removed for that reason alone.

And this is also my personal opinion, so grain of salt: The "Rebel", aka "Southern Pride" flag, is also a personal flag now and not an official one and should be removed anyway. All it does is demonstrate pride and nothing else. I also feel that Civil War relics like these belong in a museum or somewhere similar and displaying this also perpetuates division for too many to be acceptable now. You don't need a flag to display southern pride. You're southern, be proud! :)

Response by SGT Jeremy Stokes made Aug 21 at 2019 9:39 PM

SGT Jeremy Stokes — Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:39:16 -0400

The great thing about the military is that it forces people with different cultures to live and work together. That being said I suggest that anyone who wants to display the Confederate flag read the “Cornerstone Speech.” This speech was given by Alexander Stephens the VP of the Confederate States. It clearly outlines their views.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Aug 22 at 2019 1:18 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:18:41 -0400

This is one of those things that some BUTT HURT ASS CLOWNS just want to make a problem.
How many of you out there remember when the "Rebel Flag"and Noose was found in the Special Forces barracks at FT BRAGG years back.
Good old Bill Clinton went on T.V. making a big deal about it and how the White Racist would be caught and Dealt with harshly.
Then it was discovered that the Black Soldiers door that theses where put on.
Was done by the same Black soldier.
Never heard what happened to him.
My point is that some people just can not deal with people getting along.
Regardless of skin color.
The thing I find funny about all these people that like to call everyone they do not agree with racist is that we all are one RACE. HUMAN.

Response by GySgt James Hart made Aug 23 at 2019 7:35 PM

GySgt James Hart — Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:35:58 -0400

We swore a oath that this isn’t the flag we swore to. Also remind the Flag is part of our history but the South lost and now the Flag we salute today has never lost.

Response by PO2 Harold Lovett made Aug 24 at 2019 4:40 PM

PO2 Harold Lovett — Sat, 24 Aug 2019 16:40:08 -0400

The flag represents Southern Heritage, not hate. Only the deranged people think it should be a symbol of hate and racism. The soldier's civil rights may be at stake. This is a sticky situation so you may want to ask legal about it. I heard of a Bradly Armored Vehicle commander having a photo of Erwin Rommel inside of his Bradly Fighting vehicle and a captured Iraqi Solder ask him why he had a photo of a German Nazi in his vehicle. The solder replied that if he had read Rommel's book that maybe he would not be a prisoner. The soldier was not saying that he himself was a Nazi but that Rommel was one of the greatest tank commanders ever and his book was one of the greatest ever written on tank warfare. Even General Patton read his book. That like saying the N word. Is there an Article in the UCMJ that says it is against the regulations? I don't even think that it is against the law. Most people don't even know the meaning of the word. The definition doesn't even state a color only of a shiftless and lazy individual. That means any race can be a N word, not just blacks. Look it up in Websters Dictionary for yourself. Why do people always make something out of nothing. Remember that people's opionion is like butt holes, everybody has one.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2019 2:03 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:03:03 -0400

They lost the war. They need to get over it and stop living in the past.

Response by SrA Lawrence Baiocco made Aug 27 at 2019 11:17 PM

SrA Lawrence Baiocco — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:17:59 -0400

None,

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2019 1:05 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 01:05:47 -0400

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member I’d respond in the actual thread, but the good SGM blocked me as a result of that conversation. Please note that he never answered several questions, particularly regarding the Crittenden Compromise, the abolition of slavery in the Northern states well before any potato famine, or how the Constitution merely tolerated (as opposed to ‘enshrined’) slavery.

I found it especially amusing that after I questioned his plagiarism, he called my responses ‘diatribe’, and by doing so, totally exposing his lack of understanding of the word ‘diatribe’.

All in all, one of the more enlightening/unfortunate rallypointing experiences.

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Sep 2 at 2019 10:43 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 10:43:26 -0400

If that was the only thing wrong (in your mind) in the room, fell lucky he is a squared away soldier. Forget about it. Like they say in that TV Commercial, "Whats in your Wallet?" BTW, there aint no law about displaying the Stars and Bars in public or private.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2019 8:18 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:18:39 -0400

If it wasn’t openly displayed, do nothing . The soldier has the right to his heritage. If openly displayed, determine if anyone has issues, and go from there.In dealing with people from all walks of life, we have to remember everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to express it. As long as it causes no major problems it should be allowed to remain.

Response by SSgt James Connolly made Sep 26 at 2019 1:41 AM

SSgt James Connolly — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:41:25 -0400

It is part of southern heritage and pride,there are many things other than the southern flag that cause muse more discipline problems than just the flag and warrant stricter control,human relations,respect to the U.S.Flag and the rest of the Armed Forces,Duty to our country.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Sep 30 at 2019 9:31 AM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:31:52 -0400

Wow! People! Get over it. Why is it a dark green soldier/sailor/airman/ Marine can have a license plate that states “100% Black “ and it’s not considered racist or offensive but the Northern Virginia Battle Flag is? I had a Harley Davidson rebel flag that I had to take down because of someone’s interpretation of it. It had a Harley Davidson eagle stretched out over it partially obscuring one of the stars. That fact that the star could be seen, it was considered racist and had to be taken down. This was in the late 80’s early 90’s. I am a collector or WW 2 memorabilia of the German soldier. I have Wemacht equipment that is sprinkled with Nazi emblems. That is how it was manufactured. I am not Goose stepping and praising the Nazi regime. I find it no different than someone who collects Spartan/ Roman or any other collection. If we don’t put a stop to this petty ass bullshit of offense, where will it stop? This is history. Nations who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Response by SGT Joe Downs made Sep 30 at 2019 11:55 AM

SGT Joe Downs — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:55:57 -0400

There are many ways to adjudicate and answer this, NO one way being the most "correct". Throughout history there have been misdeeds and atrocities committed under the "colors" of EVERY Nation, including the Church. The "Stars and Bars" or "Rebel" or "Confederate Flag"; call it what you may, just happens to be the flavor of the moment it seems. Where do we draw the lines to determine what is right or wrong, and where do the best interest of the Government and the Individual meet or separate? Our Constitution gives us certain rights and Army Regulations and U.S. Code at times clash with those "rights". We have allowed certain "freedoms" in individuals personal spaces, their living quarters and the like, however we wear a "uniform". NOW, does uniform mean uniformity? Yes, to a degree it does. We have regulations that define that. SO, in a sense, shouldn't "uniformity" also apply to all the "spaces" on a Military instillation, to include what is allowed in personal spaces? In order to maintain good order and discipline and to represent our Values, Codes and Ethics it may be necessary to restrict or regulate certain items. Does it infringe on personal liberty? Sometimes is does. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one". We must have Regulations, Orders, Discipline, and consequences for infractions or disregard of the rule of law or we have nothing other than a "rabble" and anarchy will prevail. Regulations are for the guidance of the Commander and as such they must insure that nothing impacts the successful completion of the Mission. I am a Tennessean, proud of my State, and proud of being a Southerner, however I was born in Germany and transplanted here. I am first a Christian by faith, An American by decree of Law, a triple Veteran by Choice, (Active, Reserve, ARNG) and Thankful for every prior and current Service member. We are ALL "Brothers In Arms" and as such we should be supportive and mindful that while we all wear a "uniform", we don't all think alike. I would rather not offend my Brethren than to feel the need to massage my own desires and feelings. If responsible Command Authority decree's that an object is offensive to "Good Order and Discipline" then I am bound by my Oath to uphold the same. No matter my "personal" feelings. You asked for "thoughts", well these are mine. Neither 100% right or 100% wrong. Just this old soldiers two cents worth.

Response by TSgt Robert Wayne made Sep 30 at 2019 4:35 PM

TSgt Robert Wayne — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:35:08 -0400

My personal take on this is...the barracks room is that member's quarters. He or she should be able to display anything they want. You can't go into someone's home or appt and tell them to take that flag down because it might be offensive to a visitor. The only reason to make them take down any flag/poster/parachute etc is the way it is hanging and whether the material is fire resistant. You must think of fire safety for the occupant and for responding firefighters.

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Sep 30 at 2019 8:17 PM

PO1 Don Mac Intyre — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 20:17:12 -0400

Define "Rebel flag".
That just might be your problem.

Response by PO3 Ronald Smith made Oct 1 at 2019 1:06 AM

PO3 Ronald Smith — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 01:06:10 -0400

We flew confederate & American flag on our river boat in Nam. It’s part of our heritage. We had 4 Yankees an 3 rebels. It was a black man who wanted to fly it.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Oct 1 at 2019 6:03 PM

SSG Jeffrey Monk — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 18:03:55 -0400

Personally I wouldn't do anything unless there was a local level order stating otherwise. As a Boss Rep while at Ft Drum I had to fight for my soldiers to allow it in their rooms. In the end all flags had to be taken down in the rooms. Stuff got so crazy I was looking forward to my PCS to Ft Benning. Out of the six bases I've been stationed Ft Drum was the only base where it became an issue. Once the wars kicked off, NCO's had to much on our plates than worry about a flag hanging in personal space.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2019 6:43 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 18:43:22 -0400

I will tell the Soldier that they need to take it down and put it away just like if I was seeing a bikini poster

Response by SPC Nancy Detwiler made Oct 1 at 2019 7:23 PM

SPC Nancy Detwiler — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 19:23:03 -0400

It’s part of our heritage as Americans, just as the Betsy Ross flag. I have, nor have ever had, any issue with the Rebel flag. I realize it might be offensive to some as a Confederate flag, as are the statues of Confederate soldiers, but it’s still part of US history. I never found offense at the Mexican flag, or any other nation that is a part of the heritage of our troops. Would someone be offended by the Norwegian flag?

Response by SSG Marc Crusan made Oct 1 at 2019 7:23 PM

SSG Marc Crusan — Tue, 01 Oct 2019 19:23:14 -0400

I hear what you are saying and this is a touchy subject. In short, the flag of a fallen nation isn't displayed on a military installation out of respect for the soldiers that paid the ultimate sacrifice. I do believe that the flag is a big part of our heritage and history. Unfortunately it has also been branded a symbol of racial suppression. Hope This Helps.
-SSG Marc C. RET Inf

Response by SSG Shauna Holmes made Oct 2 at 2019 8:03 AM

SSG Shauna Holmes — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 08:03:48 -0400

The klan adopted said flag. In fact, that is the VERY reason for the Confederate flag is considered a racist symbol.
The countries oldest continuing organization whose SOLE mission is to spread violence and fear amongst descendants of former slaves, immigrants who are NOT white and (quite sure) those whose religious beliefs aren't Christian and those with alternative sexual orientation.
So if you want to kick and scream about "heritage" remember, America got an unwanted Christmas present back in 1865 in the guise of "purification of the white race". Unfortunately, people still adhere to that ideology amd show via actions and speech.

So yeah, the Confederate flag got hijacked and is still used perversely.

Response by 1stSgt Jack Vier made Oct 2 at 2019 5:18 PM

1stSgt Jack Vier — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 17:18:11 -0400

The flag represents a major part of American history so no action should be taken.
JD Vier CMSgt, retired

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Oct 2 at 2019 10:09 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 22:09:23 -0400

To that person the rebel flag is part of his or hers history. The flag is no longer a threat. Just leave it alone. That flag was not hurting anyone by hanging there in the baracks. If some one has sensitive feelings about this, then they need to go see a counselor about it.

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Oct 3 at 2019 8:44 AM

CWO3 Warren Gaudreau — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 08:44:08 -0400

As offensive as this may be to some, it would be nice if the people who fight for our constitution share in it's rights.

Response by MSgt Ray Hill made Oct 3 at 2019 11:00 AM

MSgt Ray Hill — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 11:00:40 -0400

The "REBEL" or "Confederate Battle Flag" has a meaning to a lot of people that is "Offensive!" I would think that if one was representing/celebrating their "Southern Heritage" (not sure what heritage they're representing) I would think they might use the "Flag of the Confederacy." For me both are offensive because like the Swastika flag of Hitler's Germany, they represent a "culture" (owning other human beings, killing them, and denying them human-based rights) that should not be condoned.

Response by PO3 Luther Brackeen made Oct 3 at 2019 11:41 AM

PO3 Luther Brackeen — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 11:41:46 -0400

I am a veteran of 4 yrs. active duty with the US Navy; 2yrs active reserves with US 3rd. Army. I wore a navy civilian blazer with the Confederate Battle Flag with a gold flou e lee sewn over it that obscured a portion of the flag while on active duty. Some black guys in the same barracks as I threatened to take it off of me; so I stopped wearing it when they were around. This is what's necessary.

Response by MSgt Van Sullivan made Oct 3 at 2019 11:50 AM

MSgt Van Sullivan — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 11:50:05 -0400

It's their personal property and has a patriotic statement on it in private display . Leave it alone. If a complaint were to arise, the plaintiff should state their case. Let a common sense decision be made and then deal with it accordingly. Grow up people !

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2019 1:42 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 13:42:05 -0400

There is no room for a flag, the United States has defeated, to be anywhere near any United States military base. If that flag is celebrated in any way, I want to see it be burned. As I do the third reich as well! There are certain things, that are traditionally associated with intolerance and racism, the military forbids these things. It’s that simple.

Response by SPC John Decker made Oct 3 at 2019 2:41 PM

SPC John Decker — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:41:46 -0400

I would ask roommates, if any, if they were offended. Had there been complaints from roommates? If the answers are no, I would leave it be.

Response by COL Michael Custer made Oct 3 at 2019 4:21 PM

COL Michael Custer — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 16:21:50 -0400

One basic fact ought to be mentioned. That Rebel flag was flown by people who would be fighting the very soldiers in that barracks. It is inappropriate for that reason as well as an insult to soldiers of color in our Army!

Response by CPL Derrick Grady Sr. made Oct 3 at 2019 10:21 PM

CPL Derrick Grady Sr. — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 22:21:19 -0400

Fly what ever flag you want to until inspection time and then it have to come down. The only flag that represent the USA in the Red, White and Blue with the 50 Stars no other flag really matter. To each its own.

Response by COL Frank Siltman made Oct 3 at 2019 11:01 PM

COL Frank Siltman — Thu, 03 Oct 2019 23:01:10 -0400

Unless the Soldier is causing problems and there is provocation over the flag leave it alone.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Oct 4 at 2019 1:59 PM

LTC George Morgan — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 13:59:15 -0400

It's part of American History and should be lest alone. It was insane to take it down in the first place.
Next you'll be taking down pictures of Trump.... Oops: Hang on, that would be a good thing!

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Oct 4 at 2019 9:25 PM

MSgt Joseph Holness — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 21:25:19 -0400

"While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there"...……….And why not? Just because a bunch of over-sensitive liberal A*SHOLES and sjws get "all offended " by it doesn't mean it should be banned. Funny how other "flags, symbols, tattoos and icons" of a non-white questionable origin / meaning never get banned or berated. Truly both the military and the civilian sector in this country play by the "double-standard". I have a tattoo of the Roman Eagle on my left shoulder honoring my Italian Heritage and was told a few times that it was a Nazi symbol and racist. I would simply reply: "Study World History with an emphasis on the Roman Empire". Now this was before tattoos on military members became a taboo like they are today. Time to Stop treating the "White Military Members and their various ethnic heritages" as being all racist and of no importance.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Oct 5 at 2019 1:21 AM

SPC Franklin McKown — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 01:21:25 -0400

None.
I had a Klingon flag,does that make me a suicidal berserker?

Response by SFC Nancy Hawk made Oct 5 at 2019 7:07 AM

SFC Nancy Hawk — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 07:07:58 -0400

Discussion with the owner. It must have been there awhile. Just a note and move on.

Response by SFC Timothy Sr made Oct 5 at 2019 4:25 PM

SFC Timothy Sr — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 16:25:11 -0400

I was a platoon sergeant for a number of years (Armor). If it's not bothering anybody then I would think it very un-American to dictate to another that they can't have a Rebel flag. The Confederates were far from Nazis - and they are a part of our US military history that one can be proud of if they want to. Some of the South's bravery and heroism and tactics are still worthy of appreciation even if their cause was lost. I retired a few years back from the army but it seems that more and more the US military is loaded down with too much PC Policing. You want a rebel flag? So long as it's not bothering some thin-skinned soldier - Have a rebel flag. It should be your right as an American - and especially as an American serving.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Oct 6 at 2019 7:19 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Sun, 06 Oct 2019 07:19:12 -0400

To me it's not about displaying it, but about what you do with it or how you behave around others as one who represents said flag. Now instruct them you will get back with them on the matter while you get command guidance or do your due diligence and research it..

Response by SGT Richard McArthur made Oct 6 at 2019 8:24 PM

SGT Richard McArthur — Sun, 06 Oct 2019 20:24:20 -0400

If it is a discernibly rebel flag, it should be removed. It is, after all, the flag of a treasonable entity waging war on the United States of America.

Response by 1SG Bernhard Mattulat made Oct 7 at 2019 7:38 PM

1SG Bernhard Mattulat — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 19:38:38 -0400

An "offensive flag"? Really? As every senior NCO who has ever done an open locker barracks inspection knows, one finds all manor of "things" in a locker that raise the eyebrows, are mystifying, and sometimes comical. Wait 'til you find TWO sets of uniforms, one male, one female, with two different nametags, and then two sets of underwear, male and female. Then find out that the male "roomy" has been sleeping in the same room while his male buddy "gave shelter" to a female soldier. What's worse, the two were acting as if they were man and wife while the other guy tried to get some sleep! They were married, but not to each other. When asked whose birth control pills they were, the male soldier replied: "They're mine". A flag? Worry about the harmful contraband and activities of your people, not there locker décor! (We "cooked" the guy before we shipped him off to join his wife in Korea.) If "stupidity" was an offense we would have discharged him! An announced "open wall locker inspection" and this Nimrode leaves his guests clothing in the locker! Nuff said.

Response by Sgt Mike Ripple made Oct 10 at 2019 11:20 AM

Sgt Mike Ripple — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:20:02 -0400

Do not be a pussy and cave to the people who would rewrite history it is a part of our history actually pick up a book and read what we did to our own at that time I have been to many of the battlefields read the original history not the liberal revised one. We burried the Confederates in mass graves without even marking them. We never gave them proper respect if the war was today we would be more Confederates than union. Go to Dover TN and visit some battlefields go to the surrender house. It's a crime we didn't treat our kin to the respect of the family dog so if you remove or have the flag removed you are part of the problem not the solution. Mike from wisconsin

Response by PO2 Selmer Meland made Oct 15 at 2019 7:39 PM

PO2 Selmer Meland — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:39:13 -0400

It is our American history. We lost more Americans including those flying the rebel flag. It is nothing to be ashamed of unless you need to be politically correct.

Response by SGT Montana Crawford made Oct 20 at 2019 7:36 PM

SGT Montana Crawford — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:36:49 -0400

I don't understand why an American Soldier would want the flag of a traitorous regime that killed 360,000 good American Soldiers just so they could own Africans.
It's either ignorance or belief in white supremacy that drives your Soldier.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2019 12:19 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 12:19:21 -0400

None. We should stop looking for reasons to be offended. Gadsden flags are now on the chopping block (don't treat on me), as well as the Betsy Ross style flag... It's ridiculous. As long as it comes from a historical and heritage perspective, leave it alone. Stop erasing history we don't like, learn from it.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Oct 29 at 2019 4:18 PM

SFC Benjamin Varlese — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:18:19 -0400

Not illegal nor indicative of racism unless something else was found to suggest the soldier had ideological principles that ran counter to the Army Values . The commander can always prohibit such flags but the memorandum had better pass the JAG smell test to avoid the possibility of an IG complaint for any of a myriad of reasons

Response by MAJ Mike Yeksavich made Oct 29 at 2019 5:29 PM

MAJ Mike Yeksavich — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:29:53 -0400

Is good order and disciipline actually effected? If not I would ignore it

Response by SP5 Sydney B. made Oct 30 at 2019 4:49 PM

SP5 Sydney B. — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:49:36 -0400

I have no problem with that, as it is a large part of the U. S.'s history. Those who object to the flag either don't know history or feel as if it is more of a symbol of hate and a racial slur(which it is not).
As long as there is no one with those feelings in the barracks, determined by questioning all individuals, I see no reason for allowing it to remain. As for the tattoo, that's your personal choice and there's no problem with that either.

Response by CPO Charlie Kessler made Oct 30 at 2019 7:26 PM

CPO Charlie Kessler — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:26:58 -0400

If it does not specifically violate an order, then there is no reason it can't stay up. If you have problems with things like that, do like the old school folks did. No posters, photos, flags, etc., up during an inspection. Living in the barracks is hard, and anything is a potential offense. Flags from other countries, flags from political groups, Jewish symbols, Christian symbols, Muslim symbols, holiday decorations, posters, pictures, and let's not forget music. All of it could be banned in the name of good order and discipline.

Response by CPO Charlie Kessler made Oct 30 at 2019 7:28 PM

CPO Charlie Kessler — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:28:52 -0400

If it does not specifically violate an order, then there is no reason it can't stay up. If it is a hindrance to good order and discipline, then mandate it come down. If you begin to have problems with things like that, do like the old school folks did. No posters, photos, flags, etc., allowed on the walls.

Response by CPL Diana Rosgallio made Oct 30 at 2019 10:43 PM

CPL Diana Rosgallio — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:43:51 -0400

When I think of the rebel flag, I think of plantations, southern hospitality, fried chicken, southern bells, all the good things about the south. The bad things, I’m glad they’re gone.

Response by SFC Nancy Hawk made Oct 31 at 2019 9:45 AM

SFC Nancy Hawk — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:45:40 -0400

I would ask the others if it bothers them. I would do some fact checking instead of hoop jumping. I.e. if the complaint was someone who happened in the area. Was not assigned. Good leadership is not always about jumping.

Response by MAJ Peter Fraser made Oct 31 at 2019 4:48 PM

MAJ Peter Fraser — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:48:27 -0400

As long as it is displayed properly and is not offensive I find no problem with it. As part of Command and General Staff we studied the Civil War from both sides because there were examples of leadership and tactics one can learn. It is our history, learn from it. I am from Ohio and not the south so I respect both sides,

Response by Timoteo Suazo made Nov 1 at 2019 9:41 AM

Timoteo Suazo — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:41:02 -0400

My cousin, David Berry, served in Vietnam where he lost both his legs. He returned home, went to college, became head of the V.A. In South Carolina, pioneered educational opportunities for disabled vets in South Carolina, received the B’nai B’rith award, and was given South Carolina’s Citizen Of The Year award for all of his volunteer work he did for all people with no regard towards race, creed or color. There wasn’t a shred of bigotry or racism in the man. David Berry also carried a Confederate Battle Flag with him to Vietnam as a reminder of his home and the fighting heritage of his ancestors. This very same fighting heritage and honor that he intended to carry with him into battle in Vietnam is the same that military members from the South have carried with them, along with our Flag, in every war the US has fought since the Civil War.
So, not being a member of the military, and never commenting on the articles I read because it isn’t my place to do so, I am making this one exception.
Despite the bad rap our Flag has gotten by the abuse of those who hate, the reality is that most people in the South who have a Confederate flag do not hate, and are not bigots or racist. Why this person has a Confederate Flag should be determined, and whether or not the Flag is removed from the barracks should be based solely on your rules governing contraband on base, without any attempt to portray the Flag and its owner as racist, which most likely they are not.
In a world where the Confederate Battle Flag will always exist, it bewilders me that any person would rather believe that every person waving this Flag is a hate filled racist bigot intent on doing them harm, rather than rejoicing in the fact that most people they might meet who have this Flag are not hate filled racist bigots and intend no person any harm, except for those they intend to harm on a battlefield in defense of the USA.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Nov 1 at 2019 3:19 PM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:19:02 -0400

Not sure why an issue from more than a year ago ends up in my e-mal. The solution is complicated.

In short, we are military members who have what is best described as modified First Amendment Free Speech rights. That means that display of such a flag may be more of a Code of Conduct issue and an UCMJ Article 88 violation. So, for order and morale, it might be prudent to recommend that the soldier in question simply take the flag down but, as private property, I wouldn't just confiscate it.

Remember, the Confederate Battle Flag was first proposed as the flag of the Confederacy. It was later more effectively used as the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia as a means to identify those forces on the battlefield. Much later, it became associated with racial violence, "Anti-American causes," and even the Dixiecrats political party.

Before you act, however, I impress on you that knowledge is power. Therefore, I would first research if your unit has a history that involves the Civil War. I would also keep in mind that the Confederate soldiers, sailors and Marines because U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. So, in one sense, that flag is part of the U.S. Army's history.

These days even the Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" Flag seems to evoke similar emotions even though it is the first flag of the Marine Corps.

Therefore, this insight, properly framed, should help you chose a proper course of action.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2019 4:02 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:02:46 -0400

Not my choice for a flag, but not against regs. So let it be.

Response by PO2 James Speed made Nov 1 at 2019 5:03 PM

PO2 James Speed — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:03:16 -0400

In my opinion WAAY too much has been made over flags. My ancestors fought on both sides of that horrible conflagration. One of my ancestors, Joshua Speed was Abraham Lincolns best friend for many years. His brother James Speed was the US Attorney General under Lincoln. Yet - Joshua was a plantation owner and slave owner in Farmington Kentucky...Lincoln actually came down twice and stayed with him during the war. Joshua released his slaves when the Emancipation proclamation was made.. his slaves stayed as paid workers. This Country has gone down so many divisive roads over the years. But, unless someone is walking around with a bald head and sporting swastika and or white supremacist tats all over I wouldn't worry about it.

The flag is a DEAD FLAG.. in fact, that wasn't the flags most Confederate armies used anyway. This crap that someone is OFFENDED at anything and everything is a bunch of crap. Hell, I'm offended when I read the newspaper. We served this country NOT that people wouldn't be offended.. we served this country for Freedom of Speech.. even if the speech PISSES us off. We have NO expectation that we can walk around with a smile and never see something we do not like.. that is NOT even a remotely sane idea. People have the RIGHT to piss us off, RIGHT to offend us.. we have the same right back. SO.. unless this person is taking names to join some alternative hate group.. just keep on walkin.

Response by PO2 James Speed made Nov 1 at 2019 5:07 PM

PO2 James Speed — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:07:37 -0400

Response by PO3 Mary Adams made Nov 1 at 2019 6:49 PM

PO3 Mary Adams — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 18:49:07 -0400

I live in Alabama and the flag is on the license plate. I, as a veteran, see nothing wrong in displaying any flag. If it is in a personal space, not visible to others, I see no reason for disiplinary action. On the other hand, if it is in an area that others can see and is offensive, then I would consider it a violation.

Response by Kenn Evans II made Nov 1 at 2019 7:03 PM

Kenn Evans II — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:03:08 -0400

If it is a modified rebel (US) flag, does it conform to the historical standards of the flag and flag etiquette? If not, request the owner to put it away. Its forbearance would not be acute and accurate for its display. The Rebel Flag is original Betsy Ross flag, designed with the stars in a circle to symbolize equality between the original 13 colonies--equality that we were not receiving from the Crown. The flag was a symbol of strength and unity, as well as rebellion against the tyrannical King George and the Kingdom of Great Britain. The Rebel flag as a "Stars and Bars", "The Stainless Banner" "3rd National Flag of 1865"; the battle flags of the Army of Northern Virginia and Army of Tennessee are all US Historical National Flags and all soldiers of CSA are U. S. Soldiers by an act of Congress ratified in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958 The flags and soldiers are accepted.

Response by SGT Robert Deisbeck made Nov 1 at 2019 7:16 PM

SGT Robert Deisbeck — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:16:19 -0400

I like this topic as it is something the service encounters on the reg. Having done many barracks inspections I've seen flags of all countries and I feel a soldier has every right to fly the flag of their choice. Just because you are an American citizen or service member doesn't mean u cant honor the past/ancestors or even your own culture/heritage. As leaders in the military we use symbolism in our routine day to day functions to instill pride and discipline among our ranks. And that's what I feel the take away is here is these are symbols, not opinionated weapons or tools meant to cause disdain(as if they were than I'm sure feelings across the board would be different). If a symbol offends u, its because u chose to let it do so, or in some cases you may just not be educated on the full meaning of the symbol. Personally i like the touch that service member has, of adding the eagle to the confederate flag with that saying. I'm not born and raised from the South, but i got some family that is and i know they fly their flag.

Response by CPL Daniel Martin made Nov 1 at 2019 9:23 PM

CPL Daniel Martin — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:23:03 -0400

My question is why are you even worried about it? Is it hurting you? Are you on a power trip? Not get enough attention at home? That barracks room his his home. If he/she isnt a total shitbag then why Jack with them unless the questions above are the reasons.

Response by Lt Col Robert Farnette made Nov 2 at 2019 9:37 AM

Lt Col Robert Farnette — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 09:37:50 -0400

The Confederacy was a scheme by rich guys to get poor largely illiterate guys to die for their fortunes. I had a similar situation in a barracks where one group of blacks had a black power poster
hung up, and the whites across the hall displayed a Confederate flag on their wall. Our Wing Commander wisely ordered both of them to keep their damn doors closed. Thus, he stilled conflict
while preserving the freedom of expression of both sets of boneheads.
R.L. Farnette LTC USAF JAG (R)

Response by 1SG Timothy Wallace made Nov 2 at 2019 7:17 PM

1SG Timothy Wallace — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 19:17:47 -0400

Why are you even asking this question? No action taken.

Response by PO3 Charles Streich made Nov 2 at 2019 7:36 PM

PO3 Charles Streich — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 19:36:55 -0400

One should read history where the North Invaded the South. Show me the Treaty Where the South Surrendered in 1865. It has been occupied since then.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Nov 3 at 2019 1:37 AM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 01:37:09 -0500

NONE. No action.. That flag is like the Gadsen Flag, just another symbol the left wants to remove from the present and erase from history. They claim it is a symbol of racism.. That is a load of bull and anyone that bother to do some research would find that out.

I am from the North, Wisconsin in fact, so I don't fly the flag. But it represents part of our history, good and bad and erasing those lessons will only speed up the process of us repeating those same mistakes.

BTW, if the military starts disregarding the 1st Amendment entirely, starts banning things left and right because some liberals is 'offended', there won't BE a US Military because moral will drop and people will just stop signing up eventually. The military needs to stay OUT of the "political correctness" and the "woke" crowd politics. PERIOD.

If you start choosing things to ban, what's next? We go back to segregation in the US Military? Blacks over there, Whites over here, other cultures in their own section? The military is not supposed to see color or anything else and it needs to remain that way, to include things regarding history, heritage, faith and more.

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Nov 3 at 2019 8:10 AM

SGT Thomas Price — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 08:10:11 -0500

We have an armed force that pays for transitioning from one gender to another and you want to discuss this? We have much bigger problems.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Nov 3 at 2019 3:20 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 15:20:27 -0500

We had an issue in our barracks in Germany. People were using all kinds of flags for their curtains. Rebel flags, Army banners, banners of all kinds, political ones, black power flags, Puerto Rican flags, Mexican flags, & so on. Some uppity type driving past got upset with one of them. The order came down that all flags & banners had to be removed. We had no racial or other issues in our unit but it was how it appeared to others. It was an issue for the command. The banners & flags were okay in the barracks just as long as they were not visible to the outside. It is far better to order all banners & flags to come down within a certain time period. To demand something as simple as a rebel flag be removed immediately is now pushing your own political agenda.

Response by SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala made Nov 3 at 2019 7:04 PM

SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 19:04:15 -0500

I ran into this situation in Daly Barracks in Germany in 1984. In protest I hung up the "divine wind" Japanese rising sun flag from WWII. The commander asked me to take it down, and asked if I knew what that flag ment and that was an enemy flag. I advised what it ment, and that i will be glad to take it down when the other flag comes down, since both represent a former enemy of the union both flags were taken down and old glory was the only one allowed as a rule from then on.

ps. I was making a point about freedom of speech, you can fly any flag you like deeply i dont care, but do not complain when other flags are flown. or contrary point is made,

Response by SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala made Nov 3 at 2019 7:07 PM

SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 19:07:56 -0500

pps Flags only matter when bullets are flying, and rockets are in the air...otherwise live and let live

Response by PO1 Michael Brouty made Nov 3 at 2019 8:27 PM

PO1 Michael Brouty — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 20:27:04 -0500

I find no problem with U.S or Confederate flags. We may have fought a Civil War but we are ALL Americans. These P.C types that don't like the Confederate flag ..TOUGH SHIT !

Response by MAJ James Woods made Nov 3 at 2019 11:44 PM

MAJ James Woods — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 23:44:17 -0500

The flag is just a historical symbol that means different things to different people. What matters is your character. And a commander must have evidence or cause that the flag or other items impact good order and discipline of the unit or environment. There are other symbols that are far more offensive than the Rebel flag of the Confederacy. Yes all it takes is one complaint by someone to make it an issue for the chain of command but even the complaint has to be valid to justify a commander's inquiry and action. Just a thought.

Response by SGT Martha Cain made Nov 9 at 2019 6:03 AM

SGT Martha Cain — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 06:03:30 -0500

As one who followed my first, 1sg, a respectful 3-5 steps behind & to the left ; clipboard in hand...he would, respectfully, fold, & hand to the owner, reminding them of their oath of enlistment & that they are living in a barracks, exemplified by one true flag we serve. If it was back, next inspection, it was confiscated like all other "contraband". This same first shirt, was known for kicking in any locked barracks door, automatically, at the smell of incense w/ cost of a door~$68-, annotated, on the clipboard.

Response by TSgt Brenda Freestone made Nov 9 at 2019 9:24 PM

TSgt Brenda Freestone — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 21:24:33 -0500

Why shouldn't it be there? It is not illegal to have a rebel flag, it a symbol of our heritage. And your soldiers color should have NO bearing on this.

Response by SSG Jeff Carlisle-Tierno made Nov 11 at 2019 5:27 PM

SSG Jeff Carlisle-Tierno — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:27:04 -0500

I grew up in the backcountry of Mississippi- the only state still to display the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia as part of their state flag. And I wish to hell they’d get rid of it.
That flag really has no place anywhere other than a museum. Even then, it’s still not the correct flag.
And some of you with the “read a book” comments only manifest an often wiling ignorance on the matter.
Fact: slavery was a major factor in the decision of the Confederate states to secede - their own declarations of secession from the Union point that out.
Fact: that isn’t the flag of the Confederacy in the first place. You “read a book” sorts really need to practice what you preach when it comes to the question of exactly how the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia came to be promulgated as the flag representative of the Confederacy. Pro tip: it won’t match the ‘heritage not hate’ narrative.

When people continually gloss over these things and play little Orwellian ‘memory hole’ games with the facts of the matter, it’s often done with such sense of zeal that’s a bit disconcerting.

Folks… for all the ‘Southern Pride’ sorts especially - you can express such a disposition without reverting to a symbol of oppression and sedition and of a vanquished foe of the United States - the same country you took an oath to be allegiant to. That flag represents nothing to be proud of. Period.

Response by MSgt Lee Hartwig made Nov 14 at 2019 2:02 AM

MSgt Lee Hartwig — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:02:52 -0500

The service member has it inside their living quarters, and last I checked they have a right (within reason) to freedom of speech. Symbols mean different things to different people. For example, the rebel flag when seen on the roof of the General Lee on the show The Dukes of Hazzard invokes fond memories from me, but I'm less for it if I see it as a flag mounted on someone's wall. Unless it was actively eroding good order and discipline (e.g. a fight broke out over it in the barracks or a formal complaint was filed), I would probably leave it. I was an acting First Sergeant for a while and saw stuff like this before in the dorms. For those who would disagree, let me put it another way... If it was on the wall inside a home in base housing or in a residence off post, would you act differently?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2019 9:42 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:42:54 -0500

none. as long as no one is complaining about it

Response by CPT Samuel Carlson made Nov 15 at 2019 2:38 PM

CPT Samuel Carlson — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:38:26 -0500

Which 'Confederate' flag was it?. Was it the Confederate Military's Battle Flag or the Confederate National flag? The Battle Flag was the Confederate Military flag to help identify Northern or Southern troop formations in battle. Early in the war, The Confederate National flag was often confused for the Union Flag (and vice versa) The Confederate Battle Flag was created to reduce that confusion.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2019 3:02 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:02:41 -0500

I would take no action at all, as this is an expression of the soldiers 1st Amendment right to free speech. As the world has gone crazy and everybody is so offended, as a Commander I would speak with the soldier about his intent. As to the maintaining good order and discipline, I would consult the JAG office for guidance in the matter. If you need guidance always consult with JAG because higher command authority can be prejudiced in their decision.

Response by PO1 Sharon Anderson made Nov 20 at 2019 6:12 AM

PO1 Sharon Anderson — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 06:12:12 -0500

Not a thing, flag is a flag...learn the history of them...and if someone is offended give him or her a history lesson...too much "i'm offended garbage today".

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Nov 24 at 2019 10:53 AM

SrA Ronald Moore — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:53:35 -0500

Should not only what pertains to you carrying out a mission be around you,in the barracks.

Response by SPC Dwight Turner made Nov 24 at 2019 10:57 PM

SPC Dwight Turner — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:57:33 -0500

it can offend others but out of respect wether on your arm or wall it needs to come off or if on your arm covered up

Response by PO3 Nicholas Richards made Nov 25 at 2019 1:29 AM

PO3 Nicholas Richards — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 01:29:54 -0500

Why shouldn’t a rebel flag be in a barraks? Correct me if I am wrong but it was a battle flag just as the US flag is. Now for all of you causing division amongst the American people thru racism and having it stay an issue even though none of us were alive then means your going to say no it shouldn’t be there Because it is a sign of racism.

Response by SPC Ricky Poe made Nov 25 at 2019 2:47 PM

SPC Ricky Poe — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:47:06 -0500

The history of the Rebel flag needs to be looked in this case because it has never been use by any unit by the confederacy and it is best if you look up the real history of the Stars and Bars before making a rash determination of the person and why he has the flag there. Because it is his room and he is entitled to his right in his room under the UCMJ with in certain circumstances.

So I suggest that you be wise in your pross here.

Response by MSgt Victor Moss made Nov 25 at 2019 7:54 PM

MSgt Victor Moss — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:54:14 -0500

If flying the flag of the losing side of war is OK, then I suppose those who fly that flag would say that the Nazi flag is OK as well. It's really no difference.

Response by SGT Martin Jandres made Nov 26 at 2019 8:33 PM

SGT Martin Jandres — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:33:30 -0500

The rebel flag just used to represent the south and the culture
A loss to the south yet still a symbol of it. The current liberal agenda has deemed it offensive as statutes of men who were our history

Dont pay it any attention unless it causes an issue then nothing should be displayed that could be deemed offensive

The liberals set the rules on this with the media assist
Who are they??

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2019 2:40 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:40:18 -0500

So, the rebel flag, as so many have called it, does not accurately represent the south during the war. It is a battle flag, and therefore needs to be seen in context. The current connotation involving that flag is to empower the anti black, gay, and pro slave movements during the rise of the KKK, Jim Crow laws, and such. It's not about southern pride. It's about overtly racist and white national tones in our history.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2019 8:21 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:21:52 -0500

I had this exact issue when I was a USN O-1 nearly 30 years ago. Had no one cared, I wouldn't have done anything. But the reason it became an "issue" was that some did care. I banned the flag and all other Confederate symbols. At the same time I also banned the very popular (at the time) "X" hats as well as the parody "YZ" hats. Personally I don't believe that the Confederate battle flag represents racism any more than the UK Union Jack represents royalism and over-taxation. But symbols mean different things to different people and when it comes to good order and discipline, if we can't all act like adults we all get treated like children.

Response by SGT Jeremy Cribb made Nov 27 at 2019 11:47 PM

SGT Jeremy Cribb — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:47:41 -0500

Surely there’s more subjective things to cover other than heritage. When I was in a while ago, the flag thing had some bearing to it, but not much. What I was told was as long as all roommates agreed, then there was no need for command involvement. Get back to that, and focus on more pertinent issues that actually affect the soldiers outcome and deal with real $#!t that NEEDS to be dealt with.

Response by CWO5 Howard Stallings made Nov 28 at 2019 9:23 AM

CWO5 Howard Stallings — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:23:51 -0500

We don't display the flag of countries we fought and defeated anywhere except a few who later became allies and those flags are flown at the UN building only.
The Civil war is over and the Confederacy lost. We don't show flags or statues of British or German or Italian or Japanese Generals so why bother with Confederate generals? Or flags...I would never get a tat of someone who wanted to go to war with my country

Response by CPO Mike Riley made Nov 28 at 2019 11:07 AM

CPO Mike Riley — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:07:32 -0500

If everyone could just grow up it would help.

Response by Capt Neil Wyman made Nov 28 at 2019 12:35 PM

Capt Neil Wyman — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 12:35:51 -0500

For many, and rightfully so, the confederate flag is a symbol, indeed advocacy, for the darkest period in the history of this country - slavery and its aftermath of Jim Crow, lynching, the Klan, and discrimination. What is a black soldier supposed to think and feel when he is forced to confront this symbol on a daily basis? Further, the flag is a symbol of rebellion and treason that cost the lives of over 600,000 men. If the confederacy and all it stood for is a proud symbol of your heritage the shame on you. Neil R. Wyman, Capt., USAF 1968-72

Response by SSG Terry Cummings made Nov 28 at 2019 12:47 PM

SSG Terry Cummings — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 12:47:16 -0500

I can only say what I think remove it .or if you think it's in your mind ok you might want to talk to your next chain of command.

Response by SPC Brandon Israel made Nov 28 at 2019 5:31 PM

SPC Brandon Israel — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:31:48 -0500

I would admire it and say its pretty cool. Mine has crossed rifles and motorcycles on it. I agree with others, some people need open a history book

Response by Sgt Gregory Annas made Nov 28 at 2019 6:29 PM

Sgt Gregory Annas — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:29:06 -0500

Was it a Rebel flag or a Confederate Battle Flag...Very few people know the difference...even Southerners...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2019 8:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:38:45 -0500

What you most likely found was Gen Lee’s battle flag and not the Confederate flag. Learn your history before you jump to conclusions

Response by MSgt Jesse Tiede made Nov 29 at 2019 10:20 PM

MSgt Jesse Tiede — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:20:26 -0500

Well, I really doubt that anybody still in uniform in this maxi PC military we have these days will care much for my perspective, but, here goes...
SFC, you have a job to do, and a hell of a lot of little "girlie babies" in uniform to take care of! You have your pension and stripes to protect, so, by all means, go draconian, and yet further suppress the Civil Rights, what few they have, of your troops, and demand that this "Offensive" (to whom, by the way?), intolerant symbol of past History be disposed of as quickly and as totally as possible! After all, YOU don't want to get read out by the "Old Lady" you now serve! And, it IS the current "PC" way, after all!
It's so very sad that our Leadership has to bend to the will of a few Social Justice Warriors, willingly or not. Funny, but, I thought my generation of military actually defeated the Socialists/ Communists. Couldn't tell it by the people embedded so deeply into the Upper Echelons of our Government, though!
As for the problem at hand, in MY humble opinion, which means nothing to anyone but ME, it ain't none of your damned business! BUT(!), if you have subordinates who want to bitch about what another Soldier holds near and dear to their heart, well, grow a freakin' pair, Top, and handle your business! So many of these "So-Called Soldiers" that are "serving" in Today's Military, DO NOT belong there! I am SO thankful that I don't wear the uniform, anymore, and I can choose whether or not to step on a military base! That way, I don't have to tolerate all this PC CRAP any more! I feel for those of you still in uniform, but, all I can say is wearing the uniform is a Privilege, and is still 100% voluntary! If you don't like what's going on, do your time, and get out! That's what I did when, as I was told if I didn't like the way things were, I should promote up and change it! Well, I DID promote up, and, guess what, the PROBLEMS were so far above me, in the Officer Ranks, Senior NCO Ranks, and even the Civilian Ranks, that I cut my career plans short, and got the hell out!
Like I said earlier, Top, you got a problem, and it's something that should NOT be a problem.
Man, I LIKE this venue! It's a GREAT place to vent...

Response by Cpl Bill Broom made Nov 30 at 2019 10:19 AM

Cpl Bill Broom — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:19:07 -0500

I have 12 paternal and about 20 maternal ancestors who fought for the CSA. They were not slave holders and some were share croppers. They fought because their state had been invaded, their crops were stolen, their homes burned and looted and women and children were left to starve or die of exposure. The same flag flown by the invaders was carried to the West where it represented a government that set out to systematically commit genocide against the Native American population. Therefore, I do not see where the "Rebel" flag would be a symbol of hate any more than the USA flag, but a symbol of Southern pride.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Nov 30 at 2019 12:15 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:15:36 -0500

It falls under American military history.
It's only becomes offensive when you have the radical lefties come and start crying about it being or anything else they think meets their own criteria of offensive and this is only because there are those who want rewrite American history in their own image because everything offends or is racist to them so they end up suing everybody and their dog so if you want to know where to start putting these radical lefties out of business start with the ACLU you know the American Criminal Liars Union that's where you start and then you back track it back to the financial backers which a lot of which will go back to the congressional lefties in Washington you know the deep state swamp.
So ultimately being able to displaying the rebel flag is the commanders call and there should be an SOP or a memorandum of understanding stating what is appropriate and not and the reg referenced, but a soldiers room is theirs but held to a standard of neat and orderly.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Nov 30 at 2019 4:57 PM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:57:49 -0500

Leave it alone. It isn’t a big deal unless you make it so his comrades already know he has it and if they have resolved any issues then don’t make it an issue

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 30 at 2019 8:17 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:17:19 -0500

If it were displayed on he wall on his room. I would have him remove it. If it was on the inside of his locker , then ok. But once you have said person take it down. All flags, gay pride flags, BLM flag has to come down, everyone but the Stars and Stripes.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 30 at 2019 8:20 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:20:42 -0500

Black people were treated like sh#t under both flags. So you know how most feel about any of this.

Response by Amn John Coupland made Nov 30 at 2019 9:43 PM

Amn John Coupland — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:43:54 -0500

To me, the Confederate Flag represents a history only. Not the direction of current or future events. Try as they may, some bleeding heart groups will NEVER be successful at erasing the memories of what has already occurred! This flag does not represent racism, oppression, or any other negative ideas. It was the flag of a Nation divided by a Govt imposing sanctions against the will of it's people. It represented the rights of people to live their lives as they saw fit, without infringing on the rights of others. Every cause, fight, or war has had it's own symbol to represent the strength and courage of the people willing to fight and die for their cause. Again, this is history that can never be changed. The most important lesson is in learning not to make the same mistakes again!
The real battle here is, where do we draw the line on what's acceptable and what isn't.
Thank you for your time.

Response by MSgt Ed Larson made Nov 30 at 2019 9:50 PM

MSgt Ed Larson — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:50:29 -0500

It say ban all flags

Response by SGT Kenneth Partyka made Dec 1 at 2019 6:43 AM

SGT Kenneth Partyka — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:43:54 -0500

I'll ask this, in fairness sake. What if someone has a "gay pride" flag up. That is easily as offensive to some. I take great issue with removing the Stars and Bars. After all, it is a MILITARY FLAG, not one condoning slavery. The country is WAY too PC and everyone is offended by something. My comment always is, "I served to protect our rights to say/do this. Where did you serve?". I Always get a blank stare. I know I dont answer the question but the answer "should be" - you do nothing

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made Dec 1 at 2019 7:46 AM

SFC Clifford Brewer — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 07:46:02 -0500

Doing my active duty term a Rebel Flag could be displayed in the barrack period or seen else where. By doing so it stop many fights between the Soldiers. Soldiers felt threatened by the Rebel flag.. the only flag was the American flag

Response by Sgt Don Whiteley made Dec 1 at 2019 10:26 AM

Sgt Don Whiteley — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 10:26:04 -0500

Back in the day, when we found "Black Power" flags hanging in wall lockers, we were told we couldn't ask them to take them down. I'm not a racist nor am I trying to be divisive, but if we allow one race to keep a questionable flag, would we not become racists if we said another group couldn't? There will be those that say there is a difference, but in reality, both flags represent a degree of hatred and intolerance.

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made Dec 1 at 2019 1:31 PM

SrA Brett Stratton — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 13:31:46 -0500

I can only go by my memory of Basic back in 2005/2006. Back then, we were not allowed to hang ANYTHING. We were not permitted anything personal of ours in the Barracks that was not issued to us. So for me, I'd confiscate it and they can have it back after Basic is completed. Once we were in Tech School we could hang whatever, so they could hang their flag in their room then. But for Basic? Nope. Doesn't matter if it's the US flag, Confederate flag (personally, I think those should be hung in museums across the country), or even the state flag: If it's not issued to you, you can't have it in the Barracks.
Again this was over 10 years ago so I have no idea if things have changed or not.

Response by SSG Roland Shelton made Dec 1 at 2019 6:47 PM

SSG Roland Shelton — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:47:44 -0500

The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, was the St. Andrew's Cross. The stars and bars was an entirely different flag.
This battle flag is part of American military history and deserves a place in it.

Response by SGT Calvin Rhea made Dec 1 at 2019 8:27 PM

SGT Calvin Rhea — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 20:27:20 -0500

The rebel flag is offensive for it was / is used as intimidation towards Those of color . Now what are the regs on displaying flags of any nature. I know during inspections the rooms, lockers etc must be uniform so all non military items were taken down in my day. And why would a solider put something of that nature or display or a military base?

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Dec 1 at 2019 9:21 PM

PO1 John Hudson — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 21:21:27 -0500

Whatever current regulations are should be followed. Our personal opinions may be otherwise but have no place in our actions as military members.

Response by SSgt Cynthia Hamilton made Dec 1 at 2019 9:55 PM

SSgt Cynthia Hamilton — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 21:55:00 -0500

I'm a vet. I'm a southerner. This country is being divided by the tweeter in chief. The stars and bars has to go. The far right has to see that our military is not trumps tool. It's the American fighting machine.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2019 11:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 23:51:52 -0500

Does it fit into the team ?? The unit ? Questionable. He can keep it but he can't hang it and it needs to stay out of sight.

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Dec 2 at 2019 12:34 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 00:34:33 -0500

In today's society somebody is offended by something, thus everything is offensive. If somebody's offended by it, they do not need to go in to that soldier's living area. It shouldn't make a difference if the soldier is white, black or brown. I'm retired and it used to be that we are all green, and we all defend the red, white and blue. I served with several African Americans who flew confederate flags in their barracks. The Army has to not let this being offended thing lead decisions. If everybody in the Army, or the military in general starts taking this being offended attitude, it's over.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2019 1:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 01:02:07 -0500

Oh My Fucking God......
Give it a Fucking Break!
who the Fuck cares if it was a Rebel Flag????
Fucking Liberal Pussies ....
have to start Trouble every where that has no trouble

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made Dec 2 at 2019 7:25 AM

SPC Nancy Greene — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:25:47 -0500

Nothing! IMHO ! If I had an Irish Flag or My Nana’ Catholic Cross hanging on the wall, would you make me take them down too !

Response by CW4 Steven Bowyer made Dec 2 at 2019 11:02 AM

CW4 Steven Bowyer — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 11:02:01 -0500

I would do nothing. I personally am sick and tired of political correctness guiding actions away from common sense. A non-white soldier with a confederate flag. Different. However, we had black men fighting in the Confederate Army and we have descendants of them, so... Regardless, a soldier proud of his family heritage displaying a flag in his living area is A-Okay with me (Could be a State flag, Mexican flag, Irish Flag, etc.). Now, if this causes some issues with other soldiers, we might want to have a closed door session with all concerned parties to come to an amicable solution. Perhaps a history lesson is needed on both sides of the matter to come to this solution. If the soldier is obviously flying a flag to be antagonistic, then we have a problem to deal with. Bottom line though, the Confederate flag in my opinion is not a symbol of hate, though unfortunately it has been a symbol for those that do hate. Political correctness has reached a point that anyone can be offended by anything and it is time that we all get thicker skins and quit getting upset by symbols, words, etc. As long as we speak to each other and treat each other with respect and do our duty as soldiers, we will be good.

Response by SGT Warren Crutcher made Dec 2 at 2019 6:28 PM

SGT Warren Crutcher — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:28:14 -0500

If you previously informed the service member to remove the flag then there might be an issue of Lawful Order. If nothing has been said to the Service Member prior to this inspection then you could ask him or her to remove it if it offends you. Other than that I don't know that it actually violates and rules or policies. I had a soldier that had a Rebel Flag tattoo on her calf, She was black, No one seemed to have an issue with it.

Response by SGT Warren Crutcher made Dec 2 at 2019 7:03 PM

SGT Warren Crutcher — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:03:36 -0500

Ok for those of you who seemed to be confused and are stating falsely that the Stars and Bars is the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia, If you look it up it was NOT that flag. The Battle Flag of Northern Virginia is as described: Blue field in the Upper Left Hand Corner, In the Blue field are 13 stars in a modified almost A like pattern with three stripes, two being red and one being white which is in between the two red stripes and was flown by the Confederate Army primarily in the North Eastern campaigns under General Beauregard Under Robert E Lee The Stars and Bars was flown by the Confederate Army in what was known as the eastern Theater. These two flags were flown by two separate entities of the Confederate army itself. There was a third flag that covered the entire confederate army which also used a Blue Field with the stars in a circle with the same three red and white stripes. So just a bit of informative history in case you didn't want to take the time to look it up. Or you can look it up to verify my information if you wish. I just don't like people spreading false knowledge about this whole flag issue and just further fueling the hatred fire when there is no need for it.

Response by LCDR Bruce Sheppard made Dec 2 at 2019 9:08 PM

LCDR Bruce Sheppard — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 21:08:08 -0500

in the Real World i suspect someone would complain, then THAT would be an interesting decision to make. while i am aware that there are a small percentage of Americans that rally around that flag as a symbol of racial superiority, most folks i know feel that the Stars and Bars have Nothing to do with racism, as is popularly taught by the usual whiners and anti-Americans

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Dec 3 at 2019 5:53 PM

MSgt Frank Askins — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 17:53:39 -0500

You can't please ALL the people ALL of the time and you can't please SOME of the people ANYTIME! You don't have to look hard to find someone who is offended by _________ (fill in the blank). If this is in the individual's personal space and you are concerned about it, why don't you start by having a conversation with the individual to ascertain why he has it on display. You might be surprised by the answer!

Response by Sgt Tara Smith made Dec 3 at 2019 6:36 PM

Sgt Tara Smith — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:36:55 -0500

It is a symbol championed by the KKK. For those saying history and heritage and read history, I have and the South was very clear on what they were fighting for. They were fighting to ensure African Americans were not seen as fully human and therefore okay to abuse and use as slaves. So that is the heritage you are supporting with the Confederate flag and make no mistake about it. You are saying you agree people of color are not fully human and should be slaves. That is what the Confederate Army was fighting for plain and simple and to deny that is simply to be rewriting history to fit your fucking ignorant narrative.

As for what about Japan and what about what America has done. That is a bullshit whataboutism argument and intellectually dishonest. America has done some unsavory things and we continue to have systemic racism, but to say we have made no progress at all after we defeated the South is asinine and that is what your idiotic whataboutism is arguing. Did we say hey let's just let the Nazis do whatever to the Jewish? No we came together with other Nations and took war criminals to trial.

GTFO with this but..but my heritage bullshit. Explain how your heritage ties back to a bunch of traitors who wanted to leave the USA and the constitution behind in favor of keeping slaves and the belief that people of color and not fully human and explain how that ties to you personally now. FFS

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Dec 3 at 2019 7:22 PM

SPC Stewart Smith — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 19:22:15 -0500

Anything anyone says or does is going to be offensive to someone somewhere.
The offense is in the meaning behind the actions. If the 'offender' has the intent to offend then the flag should be removed or the 'offended' need to grow thicker skin.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Dec 3 at 2019 11:50 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:50:39 -0500

Words have definitions, if the regulations give commanders discretion as to what is allowed to be flown or put up on the walls of the barracks abide by the regulation.

Response by MAJ Victor Alarcon made Dec 4 at 2019 1:22 AM

MAJ Victor Alarcon — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:22:12 -0500

Get rid of any and all flags other than the Flag whose Constitution you Swore to Defend Against All Enemies Foreign and Domestic. It is WRONG to fly any other flag other than the Stars and Stripes anywhere in a military installation. That’s all I have to say about that.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2019 8:27 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:27:17 -0500

I’m no leader, but I feel if the soldier is flying a confederate flag on the back of his/her truck it could be offensive to some individuals. ( which is totally understandable ) on the other hand, having the flag in the privacy of his/her room should be okay.

Response by SPC P. John Zimmer made Dec 4 at 2019 8:28 AM

SPC P. John Zimmer — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 08:28:24 -0500

I am an authentic Yankee and I wouldn't have a problem with. I do hate the false claim "the south will rise again", WAKE UP. The south lost the North won get over it and move on. If some pencil pusher in DC really wanted to get stupid with the rules they could get that classified as sedition.

Response by Maj Scott S. made Dec 4 at 2019 1:49 PM

Maj Scott S. — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 13:49:26 -0500

Personally, I'd start with a question in a formation: "Who here thinks it's a great idea to hang a "Loser Flag" in our barracks?

Response by CPT Jim Lee made Dec 4 at 2019 2:58 PM

CPT Jim Lee — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 14:58:59 -0500

Who cares.. ? It is not something worthy of attention.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2019 4:15 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:15:15 -0500

I would advise the individual to remove it in the interest of 'good order and discipline in the ranks' further advising the individual that just as the barracks is not a bordello to display pornography it is not place to air their individual 'thoughts', 'feelings' or 'beliefs' either. Further, that the flags existence has been noted and that if he/she chooses not to follow my sage advice, that if/when it becomes an 'issue', the full weight of the UCMJ will be brought to bare on all concerned.
"Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc...." is not the issue. Those are 'rational' questions and the DoD has thrown that to the wind. 'Logically' and 'rationally' we have sworn to support and defend a Constitution that guarantees freedom of speech and anyone who has a problem with his/her flag has the problem, not him/her. However, that is not the case now, is it?

Response by SSG Dale London made Dec 4 at 2019 8:36 PM

SSG Dale London — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:36:15 -0500

From where I stand, two issues stand at odds: freedom of speech and command perrogative.
In the civilian world, Freedom of Speech would rule. In the Army, command perrogative wins. You don't have freedom of speech in the army. If you don't believe me, just call your 1SG an a-hole, or go to a political rally in uniform.
The CO's edict rules supreme unless the decision is arbitrarily aimed only at one individual or group, at which point it becomes an equal opportunity issue. Thus: in the absence of a complaint, I would do nothing. If someone complained, I would have ALL flags save the US flag barred from display in the barracks. It may sound draconian but it is fair across the board.

Response by PO3 Pete Gandy made Dec 5 at 2019 2:49 AM

PO3 Pete Gandy — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:49:03 -0500

So what. If he/she is from the south it probably means something you can't even understand if you are from the North. It is not a threat to you or any one just because you are not from the South. Get over it. It's not a danger to anyone.

Response by PO3 Pete Gandy made Dec 5 at 2019 2:53 AM

PO3 Pete Gandy — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:53:08 -0500

So what?

Response by SPC Linda Chandler made Dec 5 at 2019 10:38 AM

SPC Linda Chandler — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 10:38:52 -0500

Let me first say that I really feel we have become over sensitive to so many things who knows what right and wrong is. If it doesn’t go against the AR and the commander has talked with the soldier And believes this was not
In a way to get back at someone or hurt someone I feel that it should stay as long as it does not offend anybody. I also feel that with the way people feel about every little thing gay straight black white green brown purple whatever religion you are whatever you believe in whatever faith you have, we have to start believing in ourselves again. We have to stop identifying with every little thing and believe that the people that we serve next two are the same good people we saw before we knew everything about them. I may be wrong but this is just a thought.

Response by TSgt Daniel Johnson made Dec 5 at 2019 10:46 AM

TSgt Daniel Johnson — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 10:46:36 -0500

It’s his room let it be. Ignorance is not the same as common sense. If we follow the logic your ignorance claimed as common sense. We would not allow Muslim or Christian pictures, religious items to be displayed. As a proud son of the South I’m aware of how our flag has been demonized, denigrated, misrepresented and been misused in certain extreme cultures. It sickens me.

Response by CPL Bill Peterson made Dec 5 at 2019 4:26 PM

CPL Bill Peterson — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:26:44 -0500

No big deal unless already directed different. Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines that fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, Approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Army/ Navy/ Marine Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans. Additionally, under U.S. Public Law 810, Approved by the 17th Congress on 26 Feb 1929 the War Department was directed to erect headstones and recognize Confederate grave sites as U.S. War dead grave sites. Just for the record the last Confederate veteran died in 1958. So, in essence, when you remove a Confederate statue, monument or headstone, you are in fact, removing a statue, monument or head stone of a U.S. VETERAN. The same is true for a flag.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2019 9:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 09:19:50 -0500

Nothing at all. Only a liberal fool would find anything wrong with it or be offended.

Response by SSG Raul A Jaramillo made Dec 7 at 2019 10:19 AM

SSG Raul A Jaramillo — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 10:19:15 -0500

Not a damn thing, Have a drink with the Son of a Bitch!

Response by SFC George Simons made Dec 7 at 2019 1:03 PM

SFC George Simons — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 13:03:53 -0500

I think l would ask the soldier if desecrating the flag really upheld what it stood for.

Response by SSG John Lalli made Dec 8 at 2019 1:49 PM

SSG John Lalli — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:49:44 -0500

Have we forgot a certain right guarennted by OUR Constitution? Freedom of EXPRESSION.

Response by SSgt Phillip Roberts made Dec 8 at 2019 3:07 PM

SSgt Phillip Roberts — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:07:07 -0500

KICK THAT MF OUT OF THE MILITARY WITH A DISHONORABLE 214 AND KICK THEM OUT---the confederate flag represents NOTHING MORE THAN RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND HATE FOR THE COUNTRY---AND IS NOT SOMETHING SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE IN THE BARRACKS!!! What if a person of German descent who joins up has the Szwatiska on his/her arm?? Or, a person of Japanese descent has the Rising Sun from 1942 on their arm?? Are you saying that the ASSININE rebel flag should be considered ABOVE THE FORMER?????!!!!

Response by SA Carrington Bibuld made Dec 8 at 2019 3:08 PM

SA Carrington Bibuld — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:08:14 -0500

Sorry to tell you, Sgt. Gray, but you're wrong. I looked up the Stars and Bars. According to USFlag.org and the Brittanica, CSA began using the S&B in May 1861. The stainless banner is adopted in 1863. As to 'states rights' the right was to maintain a slave based economy. That is, the right to own people as one owns cattle. This is taught at West Point.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 5:46 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:46:07 -0500

None. Eat a dick and move on.

Response by MAJ Wiley Winter made Dec 8 at 2019 6:48 PM

MAJ Wiley Winter — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:48:36 -0500

Good order. If it causes an issue within the organization it has to go. Otherwise, I would let it stay. But, then, I’m a g-g-grandson of a Confederate veteran!

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Dec 8 at 2019 6:59 PM

MSG Allan Davis — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:59:55 -0500

Our military has been taken over by snowflakes.

Response by SFC Herve Abrams made Dec 8 at 2019 11:38 PM

SFC Herve Abrams — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:38:18 -0500

There are several Confederate flags. Regardless of which is displayed, this is what those flags represent according to the words of the Vice President of the Confederate StatesOf America:

In what’s now known as the “Cornerstone Speech,” Stephens told a Savannah, Ga., crowd in 1861 that “our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas [as those of slavery foes]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
He went further: the battle over slavery “was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

It’s my opinion Confederate flags should only be displayed in museums and pictured in history books. They deserve no place of honor and should be considered symbols of hate. Alexander Stephens made it abundantly clear the Confederacy was established to support white supremacy and the subjugation of people of color. The same sentiments are expressed in the Articles if Secession of many of the Confederate States.

Response by SP5 Robert Hayhurst made Dec 9 at 2019 11:22 AM

SP5 Robert Hayhurst — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:22:02 -0500

I tried to let my soldiers express their liberties as long as it didn't violate any unit policies What rebel flag was it the usa or csa one?

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Dec 10 at 2019 9:57 AM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:57:07 -0500

The American flag is authorized on a military reservation. The confederate flag is not. Flags from foreign countries,confederate flags or others are allowed in your offbase abode. The south lost the war.

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made Dec 19 at 2019 3:54 PM

SGT Jim Humphrey — Thu, 19 Dec 2019 15:54:00 -0500

Do we erase all so called "offensive history" I found some street names in the concrete of my small Eastern Oregon Town (Where Doolittle Trained) I could only post one but there are many. The streets were numbered during WWII so as not to offend. The names still exist on the streets. History.......

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2019 8:14 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:14:39 -0500

No different than finding the flag of Nazi Germany, or Communist Russia. People who celebrate the losing side are highly suspect.

Response by LCpl James Murray made Dec 24 at 2019 2:35 PM

LCpl James Murray — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:35:23 -0500

Not good for moral.

Response by SPC Julio L R. made Dec 26 at 2019 8:50 AM

SPC Julio L R. — Thu, 26 Dec 2019 08:50:36 -0500

Has anyone cared to ask; Why those words were depicted on the flag? What is the meaning behind them? At any rate, follow the AR. Keep it personal. Expressed Pride can be very damaging to oneself and others. The Military family should be a whole in itself; unbiased. Divisional conflicts within the Military are bad all around at all levels.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Dec 30 at 2019 8:11 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 08:11:16 -0500

When I lived in the barracks I had one, I see nothing wrong with SM having pride in heritage. Mistreating anyone because of race color sex or so on will never be tolerated

Response by SrA Tracy Leviner made Dec 30 at 2019 2:28 PM

SrA Tracy Leviner — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:28:12 -0500

I was stationed at Ramstein , West Germany from 1985 to 1989 and this is the flag that hung in my room . At one time I had 3 roommates in what was supposed to be a 2 man room . Anyway , I had at one time my roommates as follows : Black from Michigan , Mexican from El Paso , Texas and White also from Michigan . We all partied together and were brothers . We had an inspection once with the new Colonel and our Sgt Major who was from Tennessee . The Colonel told me I had to take down the flag . My roommate from Texas had the Mexican flag over his bed and nothing was said to him . The Sgt Major turns to my Black roommate and says does the flag offend you ? He said no , Tracy and I go to the Number One Club all the time which was a predominately Black club and he is cool and can even Rap like crazy . He asked the Mexican and he said no he has his flag and I have mine , we are both cool with each other and we are on the same squad . He asked the white guy from Michigan and he said no problem , Tracy likes everyone , he is proud of his heritage and had several ancestors in the Civil War . I have 5 that fought in regiments in S.C. and N.C. The Sgt Major looks at the Colonel and says Colonel the boy can keep his flag up , next room ! This is a picture of me and one of my friends who was from N.J. and he was half Black and half Puerto Rican . He knew more about the KKK than anyone I had ever met and he knew I was not like that and he took this picture to show his support of me and my flag . He said show this to anyone who doesn't think a Black man doesn't support your right to fly your flag ! I still keep in contact with lots of my Army brothers and miss them all .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2019 1:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 01:41:50 -0500

Neither it nor the Confederate flag belong in military barracks, quit trying to hold on to and justify the racist past. The civil war was about slavery, plain and simple. Now all of you idiots need to read the RIGHT history books. Not the ones slanted to what you want to believe. The military needs to weed people out who believe these is nothing wrong with displaying the Confederate flag... period

Response by Sgt Edward Allen made Dec 31 at 2019 10:10 AM

Sgt Edward Allen — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 10:10:06 -0500

Why would I have it removed. Even though I'm not from the South, I understand its historical significance. Now, if there was a white power sign next to it, or other hate related articles, then I would reconsider. If anything, I believe it gives an opportunity for others to open a dialogue to discuss our history and to gain understanding.

Response by SGT Walter Drumm made Dec 31 at 2019 12:28 PM

SGT Walter Drumm — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:28:30 -0500

If it hasn't lead to or fostered other conduct problems or disciplinary issues then don't make an issue of it

Response by CPO David R. D. made Dec 31 at 2019 2:13 PM

CPO David R. D. — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:13:18 -0500

I would do absolutely NOTHING, as long as the room meets all cleanliness and safety policies.

Response by Cpl Donny Jordan made Dec 31 at 2019 9:46 PM

Cpl Donny Jordan — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:46:58 -0500

I have strong feelings about this. Rebel flag is honored by millions for the right reasons. Thousands died for that flag. It wasn’t about slavery in the beginning, it was way of life It only became about slavery in the end so the north could gain popularity. We all talk about people’s rights, what about there rights. They died fighting for what they believed in. The same with prayers in schools. If you don’t want to pray then step out in the hall. The ones who want to pray should have that right. But that’s not what they want to hear. It’s their way or no way. I served in USMC to protect all Americans rights, not just the select few that what it only there way.

Response by SPC Sean Kennedy made Jan 1 at 2020 6:23 AM

SPC Sean Kennedy — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 06:23:06 -0500

In this military environment you’ll have to have the flag taken down, the political correct culture is paramount and if I were a leader I would have no choice but have the service member not display the flag in the barracks, if it’s their housing then fine, but in the barracks no one can be offended so flags gotta go, sorry :/

Response by Ralph Howard made Jan 1 at 2020 11:52 AM

Ralph Howard — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 11:52:14 -0500

Mind your own business is a good rule.This is personal property & personal expression-not externally exhibited-Prohibit this, then you'll know your reenlistment chances with this soldier...

Response by Sgt John Morley made Jan 1 at 2020 9:30 PM

Sgt John Morley — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 21:30:20 -0500

NO ACTION AT ALL ! MYO BUSINESS !

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made Jan 2 at 2020 11:50 AM

SSG Matt LaFramboise — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 11:50:27 -0500

There are at least two reasons why people embrace the battle flag or the stars and bars, which was first used by the army of northern Virginia.

The first, which is a kind of surface explanation, is that they imagine that in that context the flag is a representation of Southern history, Southern heritage, and Southern culture. They tie it to questions of state’s rights, and the absence of federal oversight.

People see it as a symbol of the South as a bound and discrete place. A part of the heritage that’s being celebrated with it is that the South is the South, that the region has clear borders that might collate with the borders of the Confederacy. It’s bound up, in this sense, in the question of the South as a once nation.

But I also think that people invoke the flag because they want to endorse on some level, even if secretly or subconsciously, the very rationale for the Confederacy. When people say 'heritage not hate,’ they are omitting the obvious, which is that that heritage is hate. When someone says it’s about history, well, that particular history is inseparable from hate, because it is about hate. It’s about racism, and it’s about slavery.

But what is far more problematic is that there is no way to separate the fact that it is on all of those flag poles and on those license plates, that it's on t-shirts and coffee cups and other paraphernalia, precisely because it was resurrected in the 1940s and 1950s as part of a massive resistance campaign against the civil rights movement. It wouldn’t exist in our national popular culture without this moment, when African Americans fought for their equality, and the battle flag was recovered and redeployed as a symbol of opposition to it.

What was once a very blatant, full-throated defense of white supremacy has now become this gesture to heritage and history that is presented as though it has nothing to do with the civil rights movement. But it has everything to do with the civil rights movement.

Wearing the flag or celebrating it, putting it on your car window or coffee table in your house, it's a reminder to everyone, to every guest, to every person who sees it, black or white, that you are a stakeholder in the Confederate history of the South, and therefore the defense of slavery and racial prejudice. No one is immune to this.

Even to say that it’s about heritage not hate, is to recognize that for many people it is inextricably about hate. You can’t filter out the racism and leave what’s pure and historical in the flag, because that purity doesn’t exist. Some things are so primitively stained or tarnished by history that that can never be set side. The flag is a perfect example.

The Southern culture is an amazingly rich and fascinating thing, but to choose the flag as what you’re going to trot out to celebrate great grandpa's role in the army of Northern Virginia all the way down to your "country" roots are only useful if you want to implicate your ancestors and their war to defend slavery.

Marginalization of not speaking up and stopping it means you accept it and justify the Confederacy cause; which in their succession documents were to own slaves and keep the social structure it supported

Response by SN Ronald Sizemore made Jan 2 at 2020 1:23 PM

SN Ronald Sizemore — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:23:37 -0500

Remember the rebel flag only has the meaning that society applies to it. If the media applies slavery to the flag, then we are required to think if this is true or not. Without slaves ( workers ) all business in the south would have gone under. Slavery should not have been permitted to start, however when it was banned too many people depended on it. The rebel flag also means that the people will not let the government destroy them.
Don't get me wrong, I hate slavery, but slave ships should have been banded and a new way of doing business addressed in the south. The flag represents people banning together to stop the government from destroying their only way of life. Again SLAVERY SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED!

Response by CPL Gary Dishman made Jan 2 at 2020 8:46 PM

CPL Gary Dishman — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 20:46:27 -0500

Just give that person a warning and tell him are her that it should be kept in their wall locker as in outta sight and out of mind . I had a Stars and Bars tattoo on my forearm and nobody said a word about it nor did anyone make it into a big deal but I did have ancestors that fought for the Confederate Side so that flag is apart of my Family history . But also if he are she has to take down their flag then everyone in the barracks should have to remove their flags also and make it a point that if any flag is to be hanging on anyone's wall it should be the American Flag and once they have their own home off base then they can fly it as high as they want just like mine in my front yard.

Response by Capt Thomas Weber made Jan 2 at 2020 9:01 PM

Capt Thomas Weber — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 21:01:27 -0500

The US Supreme Court recently affirmed the 1st amendment and our right to free speech. Being offensive is a right granted by the Constitution that we swore to support and defend. If you want to charge this Solider with a violation of the USCMJ, that's different and acceptable.

Response by SGT Russell Trulson made Jan 3 at 2020 1:10 PM

SGT Russell Trulson — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 13:10:06 -0500

People should do their history. The flag in question never flew in any combat or was recognized as a flag of the southern states. It was used as a component of other flags but not by itself. Goes back to people believing what they think not what they know. Soldier should be allowed to keep it as long as it is respectful

Response by Sgt Jim Mullins made Jan 3 at 2020 1:50 PM

Sgt Jim Mullins — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 13:50:52 -0500

Civil War Southern flags, monuments, etc. is history and should be honored. My ancestors fought for both sides in the Civil War. Both were good people and did not own slaves.

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Jan 3 at 2020 7:39 PM

CPT Tommy Curtis — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:39:43 -0500

It is another country's flag.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Jan 4 at 2020 12:20 AM

SPC Jimmy Rooks I — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 00:20:43 -0500

That's usually decided by the Commanding General, but they frequently delegate to subordinate officers!

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Jan 4 at 2020 1:07 AM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 01:07:51 -0500

The modern display of flags used by and associated with the Confederate States of America started in response to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s and continues into the present day. Their revival began with Senator Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats in reaction to growing public support for racial equality, alongside opposition to civil rights in 1948.[1][2]

A modified version of the "Southern cross" used as the battle flag of General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia has become the most popular and is now the most widely recognized symbol of the Confederacy. Displays of flags associated with the Confederacy have long been controversial. Many Southerners associate the Confederate battle flag with pride in Southern heritage, states' rights, historical commemoration of the American Civil War; opponents associate it with historical revisionism and glorification of the Civil War (i.e. the Lost Cause myth), racism, slavery, segregation, white supremacy, attempted intimidations of African-Americans and treason.

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Jan 4 at 2020 1:23 AM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 01:23:12 -0500

Another note, someone said that the Victor wrote the history of the south; this is not true it was written by the defeated in this case The "Daughters of the South" spent years rewriting history. They were responsible for most if not all of the Confederate statues being erected. The flag is not about heritage, it represents a revised version of our history. There are many sites detailing that period in our history. That is also when the states rights narrative for the Civil War started (aggression of the North).

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Jan 4 at 2020 1:32 AM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 01:32:58 -0500

Someone also mentions what if a soldier of Japanese decent displayed the Japanese flag, the answer would depend on which flag he displayed. The WWII flag is a different flag than that of Japan today.

Response by AN Eduardo Dominguez made Jan 4 at 2020 12:04 PM

AN Eduardo Dominguez — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:04:15 -0500

People from the South had previously used this flag as a symbol of racism against blacks and minorities. I believe only the flag of the Unied States should be displayed every where. The South lost to the North move on. There is no more slavery in this country.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 7:16 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 19:16:47 -0500

While there is some ambiguity currently associated with the Confederate flag, there is zero ambiguity concerning the flag's origin and the fact that those who fought under it were considered traitors to the United States of America. While there is some legitimate historical context from a southerner's point of view, we must also consider the alternate context. For example, Robert E. Lee was one of the most important cadets to have graduated from the US Military Academy. The home he lived in at Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, NY still stands as a testament and historical marker to his service. While he is best known for serving as the Commander of the Confederate Army, in the museum at West Point you will not find any images of Lee in a rebel uniform. While he did not get erased from US Army history, he was a considered traitor the moment he donned a gray uniform.

If someone enters military service with a tattoo of a rebel flag on their body and they were still accepted into their component, I don't have a problem with that. However, if you get such a tattoo after joining, you may find yourself in a bit of trouble because you agreed to follow a set of rules and regulations. Unfortunately the R&R often change, but we all agreed to abide by them even if we don't know what they are. Any symbol that results in the breakdown of good order and discipline should be banned. If someone wants to display a rebel flag in any duty area on a military installation, and that member's command or higher authority deemed it as offensive and banned it, that member is subject to military discipline and should be punished accordingly.

In this situation the only "book" that matters is the UCMJ and the only flag that matters is the American flag we all serve under. While some may consider this unfair, fairness has nothing to do with it, because you gave up certain rights the moment you raised your hand to swear an oath. What you do as a civilian is your business, but what you do as a military member is my business. if I found a rebel flag in the barracks, I would confiscate it, bring it to the Commander's attention, and give him or her my recommendation. We joined the military to support and defend the Constitution, not to use it as a shield. That said, you can enjoy keeping any legal historical artifact you desire upon your separation from military service. In fact, I served to defend your right to keep it, but until you separate I suggest you leave your artifacts at home.

Response by A1C Robert Underwood made Jan 4 at 2020 8:15 PM

A1C Robert Underwood — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 20:15:44 -0500

If it is a room type dorm I think no it is his or hers, open dorm I think not unless everyone is OK with it. Everyone is offended by something unless it is hurting someone leave things be.

Response by MAJ Kevin Kells made Jan 5 at 2020 1:53 PM

MAJ Kevin Kells — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 13:53:24 -0500

I understand you conducted a barracks inspection. These are government quarters. How often, if ever, have you conducted inspections of soldiers living on post in other government quarters? I am sure that you will find questionable items there as well. The point is, all government quarters are governed by the same regulation; however, they do have different command structures and subsequently different interpretations of those regulations. I am an advocate of equity and fairness and I also recognize the need for good order and discipline. I don't think the soldier's decor choices for his/her own living space amounts to any detriment to good order and discipline.

Response by Capt Richard Winslow made Jan 5 at 2020 6:10 PM

Capt Richard Winslow — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:10:23 -0500

This type of thing is the personal property of the individual, and should be permitted as long as there is no problem in the barracks associated with it. If there is a problem, then the situation needs to be dealt with involving the persons that are part of the problem situation.

Response by Capt Richard Winslow made Jan 5 at 2020 6:11 PM

Capt Richard Winslow — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:11:20 -0500

It's a personal situation and should be handled in that manner, not as a general policy.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jan 5 at 2020 8:43 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 20:43:59 -0500

My great-great grandfather was a Brigadier General in the Confederate Army, commanding the 1st Louisiana Volunteers. I'm proud of my family and our history of past military service. We also had relatives serving in the Union Army in the Civil War as well. Given all that history, I would not allow that flag to be displayed in any barracks that I owned. There are standards of appearance, behavior and conduct in a military barracks, it's not an apartment house. Yes, there are cultural and historical issues, good and bad, involved with the battle flag of the Confederacy. But we serve in units that are the linear descendants of the Union Army, and we represent the Army of the United States of America and ALL of its citizens.

Response by SGT David Priode made Jan 5 at 2020 11:16 PM

SGT David Priode — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 23:16:24 -0500

Back in 1984 when I was stationed at Ft.Stewart C 2/34 Infantry 24ID. Our 1SG (TOP) picked my room to be the room inspected by the public/family members on soldiers life in the barracks. Well I had a big rebel flag with a skeleton on it and it hung on the ceiling over my bunk. My roommate also had a flag hanging over his bunk as well which was a bottle of Jack Daniels. We both had posters on the room walls of women in bikini's (no nudity) and pics on wall lockers, this was allowed as other rooms was similar to our's with flags and pics etc.. we just kept our room cleaner... lol.. Well the Plt Sgt informed us during formation what we had volunteered for (lol). So my room mate and me hauled ass up to our barracks room and took everything down. Well TOP did a final floor inspection while we was downstairs in formation and came out the barracks hollering and throwing his hands up in the air calling our names. Top took us aside and told us we had 10 minutes to put the room back to it's previous condition with pics/posters up and the flags back up, when I tried to ask a question TOP stopped me and told us he could show any old room that was bare and drab but he wanted the people to see how we really lived. So we hustled back upstairs and put everything back in place and then reported back to TOP we had finished. And the walk through was then made a few minutes later. At that time I was young (18) and the rebel flag for me was not a flag of hate but represented the southern soldiers who had died. But not one soldier I served with complained about the flag, and if they had complained I would have removed it. There was several other confederate flags in other rooms as well. We had a really great company with really great NCO's and we had one of the best 1Sgt that I ever served with. I still treasure all those memories.

Response by PO2 David Clark made Jan 6 at 2020 9:37 AM

PO2 David Clark — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:37:31 -0500

Depends on the Chief or Gunny's politics

Response by 1SG Sal Alvarado made Jan 6 at 2020 2:51 PM

1SG Sal Alvarado — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 14:51:21 -0500

It's a non-issue. I'm offended by people who whine and cry and go after good career soldiers because of their perceived injustice. Fuck them crybabies. Un-fucking-real! I'm glad I'm out. Shut up and train for what really matters in our line of work

Response by PVT Michael Strong made Jan 6 at 2020 8:36 PM

PVT Michael Strong — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 20:36:07 -0500

I would ask for a written explanation and give 24 hrs. I would then use my considerable talent at presentation to bring into focus the recent efforts coming out of US Universities to Weaponize symbols and do as the Taliban did with the giant Buddhas and eliminate reality by eliminating real history.
(Why do Democrats still use the name of a party that fought against the USA and fought for SLAVERY and created the KKK? ) This is a real question.
The key is intent. Intent determines the individual outcome.

Response by SGT William Faitella made Jan 7 at 2020 7:59 AM

SGT William Faitella — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 07:59:21 -0500

I had a an old style Russian flag in my barracks room while stationed in Germany during the Cold War. I had a small sign on it that read Communism suxs with pictures I took while going thru East Berlin. The Bn Cmd liked it and gave me the day off every time he saw it.

Response by CPO John Moore made Jan 7 at 2020 8:27 AM

CPO John Moore — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 08:27:18 -0500

Get over it and move on. The battle flag is part of the history of this country. just the different version of the American flag. what would they have said if it had been a flag of some country of the illegals in this country? I had a battle flag on my jacket when I was in the UDMC back in the mid '50s not one went through the roof over it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2020 8:49 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 08:49:36 -0500

I would take no action, too many leaders now day are too wraped around the axial when it comes to the "offended" , we need to get over this "PC" crap and get back to preparing our men and women in uniform for battle,

Response by PO2 Daniel Lauderdale made Jan 7 at 2020 9:13 AM

PO2 Daniel Lauderdale — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 09:13:53 -0500

I don't see a problem with it. But it should be across the board other countries flag, nor Malcolm X, che, communist nor Muslim flags ,should be allowed; remove any flag except for the American flag, unit flag, branch flag or sports team.
Other nationalities join our military for citizenship they are Americans now a should show loyalty and patriotism to the USA.
They should not be allowed to display patriotism to their nationality.

Response by SPC Michael Mullins made Jan 7 at 2020 10:51 AM

SPC Michael Mullins — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 10:51:01 -0500

In my opinion it is a private space for this soldier and unless the soldiers room mate or room mates object to the flag it is not affecting good order and discipline, Overall freedom of speech is one of the sacrifices that we make while we are serving in the military so yes , the commander, not an NCO but the commander can order the soldier to remove the flag, however as a commander i would hope that you know that should you take that action you will most likely have at the least a congressional inquiry in regards to the decision. I would expect this because any barracks lawyer will make a fairly valid argument that this is a command overstep as this is a private space and the same restriction wouldn't be made to a soldier living off post or in on post housing.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jan 7 at 2020 2:00 PM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:00:26 -0500

Here in the USA we have a number of rights. In some cases they combine sometimes they collide. Two of those rights is the right to be offended at anything. Another right is to act stupidly. I would add the right to be intolerant but that has become less a right and more of a way of living.
If flags must be removed because they may offend othrs then ban all flags other than our nations.

Response by MSgt Charles Scudder made Jan 8 at 2020 11:30 AM

MSgt Charles Scudder — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:30:06 -0500

Freedom of speach

Response by Sgt Anthony Breaux made Jan 8 at 2020 1:09 PM

Sgt Anthony Breaux — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 13:09:56 -0500

People carrying the Stars and Bars shot and killed American soldiers carrying the Stars and Stripes. It’s a traitor’s rag and I will never understand why anyone who had taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, would want to be associated with it.

That having been said, free country. As long as no one else complains —

Response by Sgt Teresa Chero made Jan 8 at 2020 9:21 PM

Sgt Teresa Chero — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:21:04 -0500

Take it down..Tell the kid if he wants a Rebel flag get an org one..the one ppl died for in the revolution

Response by LCpl Charles Stacker made Jan 8 at 2020 9:55 PM

LCpl Charles Stacker — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:55:07 -0500

I'm not a bit surprised that some people wrap themselves in the rebel flag after all it justifies their feelings about what and who America should stand for . No coincidence the same people flying the rebel flag are the same ones attending trump rallies and screaming build the wall , lock her up and other asinine slogans . You can tell a lot about a person by what they choose to hang on the wall . Yeah hide behind the first amendment if it makes you feel better but you're not fooling anyone you are what you are .

Response by LCDR William Maslanka made Jan 9 at 2020 9:07 AM

LCDR William Maslanka — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:07:40 -0500

Not a Damn Thing! As long as it wasn't displayed inappropriately .

Response by SPC Keith Jordan made Jan 9 at 2020 9:30 PM

SPC Keith Jordan — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 21:30:22 -0500

That person in this country has every right to have something like that Rally Point. If I found out I would not have anything to do with this person.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jan 10 at 2020 4:22 PM

1SG Michael Farrell — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:22:04 -0500

I'd prefer to leave my soldiers alone if what they were doing wasn't immoral, illegal, unpatriotic, offensive to God and man, or plain stupid. However, I would ask them occasionally if I found something like that about why they had the Confederate Battle Flag on their wall, and make them explain it. Problem is, if the idea of military heritage is supposed to be an excuse for anything, is it OK for soldiers of German or Austrian lineage - or in their forces, for that matter -- to tattoo lightening bolts on their shoulders? The Waffen SS is a great part of German military heritage, look at the battle for Kursk? I'd also ask them if they knew what Robert E Lee said about that flag when he was asked by one his officers. "Take it home, wash it, and put it in a drawer."

Response by SPC John Stout made Jan 12 at 2020 8:22 PM

SPC John Stout — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:22:51 -0500

First of all get over the Flag thing It is a large part of OUR American history good or bad

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2020 7:27 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:27:26 -0500

Report them to the Empire. No body ranked lower than a Grand Moff should deal with this rebel scum.

Also blame Rallypoint's email system for directing me to this 6 year old thread.

Response by Capt James R. Lee made Jan 27 at 2020 7:50 PM

Capt James R. Lee — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 19:50:13 -0500

Take it down; you're not representing the confederacy now. You are representing the United States of America and we have ONE flag. BTW, my name is Robert Lee and I'm from and live in the south.

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 30 at 2020 10:39 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:39:45 -0500

My thoughts initially is to raise the issue with your COC, and see where it goes. I'm sure in this day and age if you did that it will get the required traction and response will be swift. In the determination of "Commander's discretion" if the commander does not know what to exercise said discretion on then to him/her there is no problem. Now for a bit of personal history, this is the "back in my day" speech where a lot of the young ones tend to look up and then then roll their eyes to the right and left... Back in my day we had those types of folks that did have personal pride in their rebel roots, we took those things in stride and from time to time we joked on each other over it. Sometimes people would get upset, sometimes a fight might break out over it, but back ten it was mostly out of fun where we would poke at one another over these things. We had a guy with an Italian flag tatoo on his arm because he was proud of his Italian roots. We poked at him a lot over it and he didn't like it at first, but then he would poke back at us for other stuff as well. Eventually we get over it. And turns out in a tigh group like that those are the same people in a pinch when you need it the most pull up next to you ask you if you need help or roll their sleeves up and take a post back to your back ready to get your ass out of a tight spot without even a second thought. In the end that's where everything comes together. We didn't have to agree with one another or walk on eggshells around each other to be brothers and sisters then. And most of them are still my brothers and sisters today even. Except they are a little on the odd side if you ask me. After all the North clearly won the damn war and everyone knows it, and no one in their right mind eats grits, that's just nasty!

Response by SSG James Wilcox made Feb 5 at 2020 10:24 PM

SSG James Wilcox — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 22:24:53 -0500

I was stationed at Fort Bragg in the mid 90's (94-96) and we had just this thing come up. It got pretty heated at the time. We had people jumped at the IHOP on Bragg Boulevard because they were the right ethnic group. We had the sniper shooting during PT on Ardennes. We had a soldier shot multiple time during the PT rush arriving onto post. Drive bys on post. POV inspections were almost a daily event. At first they were confiscating "rebel" flags. Our first sergeant returned all the flags because freedom of speech, He knew his soldiers and there wasn't anything on the policies that prohibited them at the time. The BOSS program was in its infancy and He said until its policy, hes not violating anyone rights, just don't do stupid shit on his time.

Response by SSG Harold Goodman made Feb 6 at 2020 1:24 AM

SSG Harold Goodman — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:24:11 -0500

Not a damn thing, it was an America Flag.

Response by SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. made Feb 6 at 2020 1:22 PM

SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:22:44 -0500

There is a reason God allowed me to serve with honor and retire in 2004, that reason is I'm not politically correct and truly believe it's the down fall of our society. I'm discussed by what has become of our military and society with everyone being offended because of words, needing cry rooms, and over all butt hurt if you don't get your way! 99% of this problem can be traced back to leadership in the military and civilian world being infiltrated by far left liberal ideology. That being said, I'm sure this post will be removed because someones feeling will be hurt.

SSG. Douglas M. Ducote Sr.
United States Army (Ret.)

Response by SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. made Feb 6 at 2020 1:26 PM

SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:26:09 -0500

There is a reason God allowed me to serve with honor and retire in 2004, that reason is I'm not politically correct and truly believe it's the down fall of our society. I'm disgusted by what has become of our military and society with everyone being offended because of words, needing cry rooms, and over all butt hurt if you don't get your way! 99% of this problem can be traced back to leadership in the military and civilian world being infiltrated by far left liberal ideology. That being said, I'm sure this post will be removed because someones feelings will be hurt.

SSG. Douglas M. Ducote Sr.
United States Army (Ret.)

Response by Sgt George Reissman made Feb 6 at 2020 2:21 PM

Sgt George Reissman — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:21:51 -0500

apparent;y there was no problem with the order or the discipline or you would not have had to wait until the inspection nor apparently there was no one offended or they would have made it known, so it appears as tough AR 600-15 has not been broken---move along and find a real problem

Response by Sgt Marbury Keys made Feb 6 at 2020 2:26 PM

Sgt Marbury Keys — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:26:07 -0500

It is not about the flag in as much it is about those, whether is an individual or group that have used the flag in defiance or to intimidate black people and other minority groups.

Response by CPL Toriano Bullock made Feb 6 at 2020 4:03 PM

CPL Toriano Bullock — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:03:59 -0500

The confederate flag is a traitorous piece of garbage! It's that simple.

Response by CPL Mark Kirkpatrick made Feb 7 at 2020 6:29 PM

CPL Mark Kirkpatrick — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:29:30 -0500

If you are going to be firm, fair, and consistent, you either have to remove all except for the US flag or leave all as they are. We do not have the luxury of choosing what we like based upon our personal prejudices. Doing so will bring you down to the level of the 1996-2000 1/377FA 2nd Platoon.

Response by Deborah Alexander made Feb 7 at 2020 6:54 PM

Deborah Alexander — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:54:29 -0500

Per my husband who has served 22 years...
The commander does. The President of the United States gave him the authority to determine what is good order and discipline. To these rest of the peanut gallery... that flag has multiple meanings. For some people it was the South's battle flag, to others it represents southern heritage, and to the majority of the rest, it represents hatred, bigotry, racism and white supremacy. If you want to brag about the beat down the south took in the war that changed the course of history, go for it.

Response by SGT George Reimuth made Feb 7 at 2020 7:48 PM

SGT George Reimuth — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:48:04 -0500

This is by no means a delicate matter that is at hand . well first the solider must be counseled by not only their commanding officer but also by the bridge commander as well . I think the solider must out of respect for their barracks that they live in is to remove the item .as so not to show offence . religion, cultural ethics have their place in history . but also respect the military branch of service you show honor, and pride to thank you for serving this great country , but please remove the rebel flag .

Response by SPC John Gifford made Feb 7 at 2020 8:34 PM

SPC John Gifford — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:34:54 -0500

I feel that the people from the South should have the right to be proud of their heritage. Even though I am against slavery the confederate flag is part of their past and should not be denied them.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Feb 8 at 2020 8:20 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:20:47 -0500

Nothing except talk to the person and be sure he knows what the meaning of that flag is and how it could impact his fellow soldiers. Since the flag was not a real Confederate Battle flag what's the BIG deal. If someone had made a complaint then you might have to deal with it. Best way I would get the complainer and the complainee together and hash it out. Might be a little snowflake touchee feelee but that's life today in the #metoo tribal atmosphere. Of course you might have put your career on the line so to CYA I would again CYA by documenting the infraction. You might want to go up the food chain to ask what the definite guidance would be. AT sea one day we were operating in a Carrier group and every day a Russian frigate would pull along side. My division, being snipes, navy steam engineers who worked in the hot dark engineering spaces were at quarters (daily morning muster) topside. Well I guess it was the fresh air. When I dismissed them they went to the port side and broke out a old sheet that they made into a banner. It said F--K You Commies. I turned a blind eye and walked away. The next day the Russians came along side and mooned us. This went on for a few days and then both sides just waved. It was in the Med during one of the Israeli wars. At the end we took the motor whale boat over to the Russian and dropped off two gallons of ice cream and a ship's plaque. We got nothing in return. Bottom line if you make a mountain out of a something that is not even an ant hill sometimes it will come back and bite on your butt. This all written I retired in 1988 as a senior chief petty officer after 23 years. Today's digital, social media navy who knows how long I would last. But like I told them at my retirement ceremony - it's now your Navy shipmates.

Response by SSgt Glenn Martin made Feb 8 at 2020 12:25 PM

SSgt Glenn Martin — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:25:35 -0500

I'd Hang It Up In The Day Room!

Response by PO2 Arnold Kaminski made Feb 9 at 2020 1:19 PM

PO2 Arnold Kaminski — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:19:53 -0500

FIRST, the so-called "rebel flag" is NOT the Confederate Flag (pictured), but was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, a single regiment which was a very small part of the entire Confederate Army. The ANV happened to be one of the regiments commanded by Gen, Robert E. Lee, who was soon named Commander in Chief of the entire Confederate Forces. Gen. Lee adopted the ANV flag as his personal standard, so historians (erroneously!) refer to it as "The Confederate Flag"
SECOND, only about 10% of the citizens of the confederacy were actual slave owners, most likely the wealthy and elite....NOT the rank and file infantry soldiers who were merely conscripted to defend their home territory. The majority of these hapless souls didn't even own any land, let alone own any slaves! That means that 90% of the Confederate Army were not necessarily "pro-slavery", but were fighting out of sheer desperation.
Personally... I'm against subjugation of ANY kind, especially slavery. But, to base your feelings on ignorance of the facts and to form your opinions on well-spread lies, well, that's allowing yourself to be mentally "chained and shackled"!

Response by SSgt Marvin Brungardt made Feb 9 at 2020 2:16 PM

SSgt Marvin Brungardt — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:16:57 -0500

It has been a long time since I did a barracks inspection. With that in mind I don't know what personal items are allowed to be displayed. In the Marines the squadron barracks had to be uniformed. Was not allowed personal bedding or anything hanging from the walls. You could however have personal items hanging inside the locker that didn't house your service uniforms. (That is where we kept our personal bedding also). We are all allowed our personal beliefs but keep them to ourselves it is our job to represent our service in the best possible way in any atmosphere that is viewed by others (Seniors, peers or civilians). My suggestion would be to talk with fellow inspectors (nco/snco's and officers) and come up with a standard for all to follow. It should be a standard all can follow and not single 1 person out for taking it to an extreme.

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Feb 9 at 2020 8:28 PM

CPL Mark Garrigus — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 20:28:16 -0500

Recommend charges of aiding and abetting the enemy. Court Martial and execution before a firing squad for treason.
That would the end of that kind of nonsense. I have found that all that have that flag are cowards. They would do the right thing and burn the rest of that enemies flag.

Response by LCpl Dennis Frizzell made Feb 10 at 2020 1:31 AM

LCpl Dennis Frizzell — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 01:31:12 -0500

Look to past the south lost but Lincoln and others honored their stand and that they fought to the end ( in my family we had ancisters fight on both sides and they came together and honored each other) but it is not proper to display in barracks at home it is okay.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Feb 10 at 2020 10:07 AM

MSgt Don Dobbs — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:07:34 -0500

It's not a Rebel Flag. It is the Flag of the Confederate States Of America. Realize that we have the right to express ourselves in any way we see fit as long as it causes no injury to anyone. The individual has the right to display the flag in His or Her room. I more than likely would ask where he or she got it so I could get one for myself. We all serve this country to defend that very right along with other rights. As far as the Commander having the power to remove this flag I disagree since the flag is displayed inside a room which is ones PRIVATE domain and not on display for all to see.

Response by SPC Richard Zacke made Feb 10 at 2020 11:43 AM

SPC Richard Zacke — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:43:35 -0500

It's a damn sham that because some skin heads and clansmen have wave the rebel flag around that it has become so divissive. Some of our oldest and most historic cities are pulling down statues as if this were Iraq! I was born and raised in the south ( Florida ) and we never had these problems until the ME TOO, BLACK LIVES MATTER and all the others that are springing up everywhere. Can't we get along as a united country? This is simply foolish were talking about erasing HISTORY for heavens sake. Remember the first admendment? Just as SPC Scott Vaughn mentioned I would proudly allow a person of color put up a Malcom X flag and not just because he was a great American but because he has that right! You erase history and we will eventally relive the sins of our past, allow them to be reminders of where weve have been and where we are going!!! GOD bless AMERICA!

Response by SSgt John C Jeffords Sr made Feb 10 at 2020 11:50 AM

SSgt John C Jeffords Sr — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:50:00 -0500

I would leave it,it's part of history.

Response by SSG Luke Kirkwood made Feb 10 at 2020 12:24 PM

SSG Luke Kirkwood — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:24:45 -0500

It's kind of like having a sports illustrated calenders with beautiful women on it. It can offend people. Untill it causes a problem I wouldn't do anything.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2020 12:51 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:51:40 -0500

Nothing. I would take no action because I don't care. The "rebel flag" is a symbol of southern pride. I myself had a Great Great Grandfather who fought in the Army of Northern Virginia. I think people need to get over the race baiting and soft feelings and respect that others don't always feel the way they do. We don't need to get offended over trivial things like Flags unless it is our national flag that is being disrespected.

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Feb 10 at 2020 6:51 PM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:51:41 -0500

366,184 views, SFC Seth King,SGT Robert Pryor and nobody but 2 people have an opinion. Well, I'll comment again. AS LONG AS THERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED. IF THIS IS THE CASE, PUNISHMENT, THEN WHY AREN'T US CITIZEN FLAG BURNERS PUNISHED? THEY ARE HELPING THE COUNTRIES THAT HATE US DEMEAN THEMSELVES, THE FLAG BURNERS. Often times, individual agenda fuel when an offense is good or bad, right or Wrong, or politically correct or politically incorrect.

Now give me some vote ups, nice responses, great responses, salutes, endorsements - make me happy! :0)

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2020 7:07 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:07:15 -0500

Since everyone is telling everyone else to learn a little bit about history, what if I told you it were Democrats founded the KKK? Boy, that would blow your whole CNN liberal fantasy world to pieces.

Response by Sgt Don Price made Feb 14 at 2020 9:38 AM

Sgt Don Price — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:38:19 -0500

Your non-white soldier is being too sensitive. Sounds like a chip on his shoulder. I understand slavery connotations but to many the flag doesn't represent that at all. It is heritage, it's defiance in the face of adversity. Sounds like people need to sit down and have a talk.

Response by Paula Seymour made Feb 19 at 2020 11:55 AM

Paula Seymour — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:55:29 -0500

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-confederate-flag

Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag | American Civil War Museum

By John Coski Historian “Heritage, not Hate” is the familiar bumper sticker defense of the Confederate flag. It has evoked equally pithy responses, such as “Your Heritage is Hate” and “Heritage of Hate.”

Response by Paula Seymour made Feb 19 at 2020 11:55 AM

Paula Seymour — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:55:46 -0500

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-confederate-flag

Myths & Misunderstandings | The Confederate Flag | American Civil War Museum

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Feb 21 at 2020 10:00 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:00:29 -0500

To me this does not sound like a problem. There should be nothing wrong with a person displaying his/her pride in where they came from. If removed what would be next ,item supporting sports teams?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2020 7:47 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:47:42 -0500

It’s American history, when those that don’t know or want to erase our history, cause it to repeat itself. What I can’t understand is how there’re so many supporting the Democrats running on communist ideals? Like erasing history.

Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Mar 1 at 2020 11:40 AM

MAJ Jeffrey Johnson — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 11:40:24 -0500

I outlawed rebel flags and regalia as a company commander in 1982. My troops supported me in this decision in a light attack, infantry company.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Mar 5 at 2020 2:23 PM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 14:23:46 -0500

Funny how the only people who are allowed to celebrate their heritage are people who can be offended. The offended never mention their own backgrounds real history. Italians ignore Rome's slave holding past...Chinese, Russia, Spain, Japan...all held slaves throughout history and those who actually SOLD slaves were black. They get a pass.

Response by SPC Rob Henkel made Mar 5 at 2020 9:33 PM

SPC Rob Henkel — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:33:24 -0500

If someone is offended by this flag, then that person should not go in that room and look at it. If I am offended by a television program, I do not ask the government to require that television shut down operations immediately... I just change the channel. This "politically correct" crap has gotten WAY out of control. Stiffen that upper lip, use your freedom of speech to offer your opinion and move on, Soldier!! Quit making this country a POON version of what we once were - Think the 1950's era!!!

Response by SPC Rob Henkel made Mar 5 at 2020 9:36 PM

SPC Rob Henkel — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:36:37 -0500

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke

If you remove items belonging to history - Proud moments AND sad moments alike - it will happen again.

Response by PO1 Raymond Sauter made Mar 6 at 2020 10:28 AM

PO1 Raymond Sauter — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:28:57 -0500

I don’t believe it is the actual civil war and confederacy so much as how the flag has been used afterwards! The KKK and other white supremacist groups prominently display it during rallies and so forth. They were flying all around while George Wallace was giving his “separation now, separation forever” speech!

Where was the outcry of the “proud southerners” when the Confederate Battle Flag (they claim represents their heritage) was regularly used in such a manner?

You say the Confederate flag represents your southern heritage? Ask your typical black southerner if it represents his? I would say many would be polite about it and likely respect your right to display it but truth be known, it likely bothers them! Are they allowed to be “proud southerners” as well?

I am a southerner and I am white and the main reason I choose not to display the confederate confederate flag is that I don’t want to have to explain to everyone that I am not a racist for doing so!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 11:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:25:05 -0500

Let's just ban everything that offends someone. When do we finally draw a line and say enough is enough.

Response by SGT Milton Pridemore made Mar 6 at 2020 1:03 PM

SGT Milton Pridemore — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:03:08 -0500

Promote him.....Easy!

Response by Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez made Mar 6 at 2020 6:04 PM

Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:04:37 -0500

As long as that person showed not threat towards any one.that are entitled to their view and opinions, why create a wave.issue is dead.

Response by PFC Carmine F made Mar 6 at 2020 7:29 PM

PFC Carmine F — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 19:29:03 -0500

I recall having a Virginia battle flag hanging in my barracks back in 1991, but then again most people back then didn't have crepe skin. We seemed to have worn ours a bit thicker back then.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 6 at 2020 7:56 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 19:56:46 -0500

Well for one, it is a historical flag that has been misused by other than those who fought under it. Truth be known, there were at least two battalions of Black troops who fought for the South and were given their freedom to do so. Secondly, the American flag has been misused as well. Is it making a statement of personal values, family history, or personal pride. Slavery was under the Stars and Stripes far longer than under the Confederate flag. Does the flag represent a hate group? If so, ban it, if not, accept it for historical value. My unit flew three flags in the Gulf War (1st), and our men flew them with honor for freedom and liberty. One of them was the Stars and Bars. No one will ever be totally happy with any flags... JP

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 6 at 2020 8:15 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 20:15:03 -0500

Awww Hell, just ban everything that is not US Army issue or whatever. Political correctness will break down unit cohesiveness and teamwork. I would not ban a flag that a Marine posted just because he decided to join the Marines after one tour in the Army. Likewise for any other branch of service, or country. People have pride in where they came from and family roots they have. Does that flag change the way the person fights for this country or their performance. If so, handle it according to regulations for that specific situation. Gunny

Response by CPL Billie Tester made Mar 7 at 2020 3:08 PM

CPL Billie Tester — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 15:08:51 -0500

Heritage

Response by LtCol Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 7:05 PM

LtCol Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 19:05:16 -0500

It's about good order and discipline, but... that doesn't mean you automatically do anything about it. Someone has already mentioned the history aspects, so I won't repeat, but will point out that it is not a flag of slavery. Do a little research of the owner and have a chat with him/her to find out why they chose to have it or present it? Also, do a little research on your unit and find out if anyone else has any ill feelings about it. You may find that no one else cares/offended, so stop wasting efforts and move forward. If someone feels offended - and there's a lot of that going on these days with the younger crowd - you need to seek a balance. I'll wrap this up by saying hasty decisions often lead to bad decisions; don't side with one service member and cut the other off at the knees because someone is offended. It's about compromise and cohesion when building/maintaining a strong team.

Response by CW4 Bernard B. made Mar 7 at 2020 7:37 PM

CW4 Bernard B. — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 19:37:01 -0500

If You want to reference an actual history of the causes of the U.S. Civil War, I recommend you read the source documents, the various states articles of secession. See below for a link.

83...

I regularly have the discussion (argument) with people who think that saying the Civil War was ultimately about slavery is "revisionist." Ironic, since revisionism would have us believe it was purely about state's rights. I think my new counter-argument will be, "83...83 is the number of times the word 'slave' was used by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia when they approved their Declaration of Causes of Seceding States." If it was not about slavery, why did they mention it so often?

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/reasons-secession

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html?utm_term= [login to see] fe

The Reasons for Secession

The Civil War Trust's history article analyzing the reasons for secession as set forth in the Articles of Secession and Declarations of Causes issued by the Southern states.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 9:17 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 09:17:00 -0400

I really think that "our" opinion is not the issue nor the answer. What does Command say? That's the bottom line and I follow that directive regardless what I believe. As to an opinion answer, being prudent and understanding that one need not "bear" flags to show colors don't run.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Mar 8 at 2020 4:38 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 16:38:54 -0400

I would make no comment. It is not illegal to show pride in your heritage. I may take issue with a public display however.

Response by COL James Morrison made Mar 8 at 2020 11:44 PM

COL James Morrison — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 23:44:56 -0400

We should remember that the Confederate flag symbolized an effort to keep people in bondage and therefore is contrary to the American ideal of equality for all. It does not belong anywhere but in a museum.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 8 at 2020 11:57 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 23:57:10 -0400

Let your Commander handle this. That's what they get paid to do. Don't get caught up in the symbol itself. If it doesn't feel right, run it up the chain and let the officers handle it...its all about the perception. In the grand scheme of things, the unit's moral and esprit decor are at a premium.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Mar 9 at 2020 12:11 AM

1SG Brian Adams — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:11:27 -0400

Esprit de corps...

Response by Cpl Andrew Talbert made Mar 9 at 2020 8:21 AM

Cpl Andrew Talbert — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 08:21:07 -0400

UCMJ and or top brass/SNCO is what determines if any formal action can be taken. I'm the Corps, the commandant just ordered all Confederate flag and paraphernalia to be gone. So of you were a Marine you have action you'd have to take. Otherwise, my personal opinion is that the culture the south fought for was to preserve the way of life. Which happened to be built by slaves, ergo their way of history and what they were fighting for included preserving slavery. So I'd encourage my men/women to take it down. But without official orders, that's all I would do.

Response by PO1 Michael Garrett made Mar 9 at 2020 8:54 AM

PO1 Michael Garrett — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 08:54:41 -0400

I have mentioned here and elsewhere, how this issue did not exist prior to 2017. I believe the election of 2016, convince some to use race to divide this country. The Confederate Battle flag is really an irrelevant matter. I live in Pennsylvania and I see nearly as many vehicles with the Confederate Battle flag on them as I have in the South.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Mar 9 at 2020 2:51 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:51:33 -0400

I feel that if the United States recognizes the Army of the Confederacy as U.S. Veterans, then their battle flag should be recognized also. Far too many people do not know what the Confederate flag looks like. They mistake the battle flag for it. They also (IGNORANTLY) believe that the Civil War began because of slavery or that it was fought over slavery. It was NOT. It was started due to , and fought over, States Rights. Unfortunately, our country is overflowing with under educated, ignorant, politically correct (correct ???) panty waste dipshits, who think that removing signs of history will change history.

Response by SSG Tim Esplin made Mar 9 at 2020 3:47 PM

SSG Tim Esplin — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:47:46 -0400

I think it's ridiculous that those sworn to defend the constitution have their freedom of speech questioned by silly politically correct people. I want all my soldiers to believe strongly in something including the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the fighting spirit of American history

Response by SGT Bob Knox made Mar 9 at 2020 5:51 PM

SGT Bob Knox — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 17:51:37 -0400

It's all part of our history

Response by SGT Charles Brewer made Mar 9 at 2020 8:00 PM

SGT Charles Brewer — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 20:00:32 -0400

AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline //// Who or what determines that this is a violation. Read first line.

Response by Capt William Twaddell made Mar 10 at 2020 4:13 AM

Capt William Twaddell — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 04:13:33 -0400

As an avid amateur historian, and having lived in the South three times, I read through many of the responses (not all 1594!) and am amazed at how many of the respondents are apologists for slavery in the then-not-so-United States. As the U.S. Armed Forces have fought for freedom (yes, often imperfect) at home and around the world, how is it that some U.S. of A.'ers are nostalgically pining for those days of kidnapping, enslavement, untold deaths onboard slave ships, frequent rapes of women, beatings, lynchings and Lord (probably only the Lord) knows what all else? Jefferson Davis himself said, "African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing." That statement alone condemned him and all who hold with him. Really, ladies and gentlemen, here we are in 2020 and some people are gleefully downplaying the horrors of slavery, as though it were a quaint, minor, footnote in Southern culture.
I take the incomplete statement from the Declaration of Independence literally, "All men [and women] are created equal..." Lift yourselves up, brothers and sisters. This change must take place in each and every one of us. Wearing the Stars and Bars on your shoulder as a tattoo might mean someone is seriously out of touch. Well, then, get back in touch and let's move on from here. God bless us everyone!
Picture to follow.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 10:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:46:01 -0400

Short of a command decision, Ignore it. I understand up we give up some rights, but there is no harm done at this point, and he still has some liberties for personal possessions.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made Mar 10 at 2020 1:35 PM

SFC Aubrey Campbell — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:35:12 -0400

AR 600-15 gives commanders the authority to remove certain flags to maintain good order and discipline. In 1984, while stationed in Aschaffenburg, Germany as a Sergeant E-5, I roomed with another Sergeant E-5. One day, he put a "Rebel-Confederate Flag" on the wall near his bunk. Upon entering the room, I (being Black) and he (being White), asked him to take it down because it offended me. He refused. Back in those days, it did not take much to start a fight! We began fighting like "Mad Men" for what we believed in. After the fight, we silently contemplated our thoughts.

Why were we fighting each other...after all, we were soldiers fighting together for the current cause (Russian aggression into West Germany?) Later, I told him it was alright to leave his flag hanging...after all it was on his side of the room. About two weeks later, he approached me out of great respect and asked to be my friend, and that he would take his flag down because it offended me. I accepted the friendship, and we agreed to have each others back no matter what.
Moral: True change only comes after battle and mutual respect for one another. It is better to not ask someone to take something they cherish down, but that they take it down to make a friend. No Fear Engineer!

AR Campbell
SFC Retired

Response by PFC John Roscoe made Mar 10 at 2020 2:28 PM

PFC John Roscoe — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 14:28:06 -0400

Well, looking at the composition of today`s military, and remembering that the Confederate flag(s) were banners that literally represented a "...domestic enemy..." to the country and constitution you have sworn to defend, I`m certain that, "...but, - " is not an adequate defense for commemorating or celebrating it.

Response by PFC John Roscoe made Mar 11 at 2020 7:31 AM

PFC John Roscoe — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:31:12 -0400

I do not give a flying fornication why anyone committed treason, armed insurrection and mobilized regular armed forces against this country- YOU try to explain your justification for doing that at your court martial. Following that, explain to your command why you perpetuate commemoration of those that did just that, by displaying their symbols.

Response by PFC John Roscoe made Mar 11 at 2020 7:50 AM

PFC John Roscoe — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:50:31 -0400

Obviously, just from this forum`s response to the subject, this topic is of serious impact on troop morale and force cohesion. The Joint Chiefs need to take a definitive stand and implement policy in the same manner as they did in desegregation of the military and in insuring and protecting the right and privileges of all whom are to serve, without regard to race, religion or political affiliation: AS LONG AS IT DOES`NT CONFLICT WITH THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE CONSTITUTION. WE have only one banner, one country, one loyalty- period.

Response by MSgt Ulysses McDowell made Mar 11 at 2020 11:14 AM

MSgt Ulysses McDowell — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 11:14:30 -0400

I think you have to have orders that state something to the effect that all items placed on a wall or other places that can be seen in gov quarters must be approved by the OIC, etc. Otherwise, where do you stop, semi-naked models, etc?

Response by SN William Golden made Mar 11 at 2020 12:45 PM

SN William Golden — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:45:08 -0400

Ask him to stow it away. It's obvious this person is NOT offended by it. He is allowed to have his beliefs ...

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Mar 11 at 2020 2:58 PM

1SG John Highfill — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:58:18 -0400

That’s a tough one has a Soldier aproached you or the COC about being offended ? I think I would have a sit down with the Soldier and try and see if there are some underlying issues with the flag then say if there are complaints it will have to be moved

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Mar 11 at 2020 3:55 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:55:20 -0400

hmmm... the 1st Amendment comes to mind first... but... free speech is limited in the Military... however... a reminder to all... being offended by a piece of cloth is personal choice... AND...
While you argue and fight over a Rebel Flag on display in a U.S. Military Barracks... do please keep in mind... that BY LAW... as Our TRUSTED Public Servants Trade OUR Nation to China (how many time did we hear "China is the Enemy!" during the Impeachment?)... for DONATIONS TO THEIR RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGNS... Our Enemy?
Currently, there are a very large number of U.S. Metropolitan Cities who have giant methane production plants being built next to them... by Chinese Indentured Servants (slaves), guarded by Chinese soldiers, with the Flag of the People's Republic of China flying over them, while Chinese Investment Corporations are now in control of over 70% of OUR Prosperity... by Laws that were dictated to we the people?
How are we an Independent Nation... when our Trusted Servants have legislated our Country to our enemy China, while they try to put our lawfully elected President into prison, for lawfully exercising his authority to Enforce our Laws Faithfully, and protect U.S. from our enemies?
I think we have much bigger problems to worry about than Confederated Flags that say "I will defend my Country" ... when we have ENEMY FLAGS FLYING IN OUR OWN COUNTRY... BY LAW >(

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Mar 11 at 2020 8:49 PM

Col Dan Ketter — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:49:11 -0400

Really?? With all that's going on today its harmless Are you willing to give him authorization to live off post?

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2020 10:57 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:57:57 -0400

If there are no regulations or articles stating it cannot be displayed what is the issue? If the Commander deems it to be removed to maintain good order and discipline then it's his duty to do so. I personally don't have any issues with the flag and think people need to realize there are other things to focus on. When it comes to offensive items displayed I would hope the Commander would use good judgement in their determination and not go with the whims of CNN.

Response by SPC Dennis Lynch made Mar 12 at 2020 3:56 PM

SPC Dennis Lynch — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 15:56:28 -0400

It doesn't sound like there was a complaint....just let it go.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Mar 15 at 2020 9:52 AM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 09:52:18 -0400

Leave it alone, There are some hills you don't want to die on. Unless there is something that the other soldiers are complaining about it is a nonissue. You can never totally satisfy "political correctness " we don' t need to restart the Uncivil War, that would really ruin unit cohesion. We should be leaders in the military of a society of folks who may disagree on some issues but showing the rest of the country that you don't have to be disagreeable.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Mar 16 at 2020 8:48 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:48:39 -0400

Don't stir the pot. Move on. If the soldiers are not complaining about it, leave it alone.

Response by SN Tony Frazer made Mar 16 at 2020 10:49 AM

SN Tony Frazer — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 10:49:10 -0400

My personal view is, why would you want to fly the flag of the defeated?

The south still holds a grudge against the north. I have been called a yankee many times when I travel down south. It was done, not in a good natured way, but in very derogatory and passive aggressive way. That's mature!

Get over it. The south lost. The south is not going to rise again. Fly your silly "rebel" flag, it doesn't offend me, but stop playing the victim and crying about it. America has enough snowflakes already.

Response by PO3 Claude j Hilliard made Mar 19 at 2020 10:38 AM

PO3 Claude j Hilliard — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:38:12 -0400

Racist

Response by SMSgt Clayton Cortinas made Mar 20 at 2020 10:20 AM

SMSgt Clayton Cortinas — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:20:47 -0400

In reference to SSG Farr's previous note, W.T. Thompson was not the designer of the Confederate flag. The final design was chosen after several committees argued over the flags similarities to the northern Union flag. However as the owner and editor of the Savannah Morning News he did, indeed, promote the flag as a symbol of white supremacy. This, in and of itself, is enough to make the Stars and Bars offensive to anyone who champions equal justice under the law. To some of the other missives in this discussion, please don't even try to use southern pride as a defense of slavery and it's resultant racism. And yes, some terrible things have done under our flag but we get past it and continue to evolve as a society.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2020 4:01 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:01:17 -0400

I ask you was it the "Confederate Flag" or the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virgina?? There were several different flags the CSA approved during the war. Do you even know the difference? Not throwing any shade here but I would venture to say the soldier may not even know the difference. If I had a piriate flag in my room or a college flag of my favorite team I suppose someone would be offended by that as well. What about a rainbow flag. If I go on I'm sure there is a flag here that will offend everyone. Is this really a "hill worth dying on" or mabey we as an organization should focuse on things like our actual jobs rather than what someone chooses to keep in their room.

Response by Maj George Martin made Mar 25 at 2020 6:41 AM

Maj George Martin — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:41:44 -0400

Religious symbols are offensive to me, as a matter of ignorance. In private space,whatever. SCOTUS has determined display of symbols is protected speech. My great-grandfather was a Sergeant in the 57th VA, and I honor his choices. Failure to do One's job in support of mission might warrant supervision, but not expression of belief (as long as not malicious).

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Mar 28 at 2020 5:25 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:25:19 -0400

SSGT V. Michelle Woods - The USA did not start a war in which some 500,000 soldiers (both sides) died - and started that war for the express purpose of protecting slavery.
So you point out bad mistakes made by the USA to somehow justify that? Child labor was common in all industrialized nations and still goes on in many countries today. Segregation was vile, but was not out-and-out slavery. The Japanese concentration camps were a disgrace, but the people were not killed or forced to do labor for someone else.
It’s almost incomprehensible to me that you could justify, in your own mind, such a comparison.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Mar 28 at 2020 5:29 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:29:56 -0400

The Confederate flag (all versions) was the flag of any enemy nation that attacked the USA without warning. NO different than the Japanese in WWII. No one would approve of a Nazi flag or the WWII Japanese flag, so why do we continue to see Confederate flags as representing something good?

Response by PO3 Martin Harris made Apr 8 at 2020 5:41 AM

PO3 Martin Harris — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 05:41:44 -0400

when some one would say a "rebel flag" there are many different forms of this flag. the one that IS offensive is the "WAR FLAG" , which I agree should not be flown ! there are other flags with much the same look as a part of the flag. I lived in Alabama for 20 years and have seen many, lived in Tennessee for 5 years did not see a lot. I was raised in Florida and lived here for close to 50 years and can say there is part of a 'rebel' flag in the Florida State Flag. I know because I have one that was presented to me by a governor of Florida when I was wounded in Viet Nam ! I do , at times , hang this flag along side Our true flag "Old Glory" ! I do NOT fly or have a "rebel war flag" !

Response by PO2 Rob Waldrop made Apr 8 at 2020 7:40 PM

PO2 Rob Waldrop — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 19:40:10 -0400

I have to agree with SPC Smith. As a veteran and a Southerner, I have taken the time to READ and understand that history is written by the victors. But under US law, both Confederate and Union soldiers were considered to have honorably served, and be entitled to burial in US Military cemeteries. I am way beyond FED UP with "political correctness" and "don't offend". I find attacks on history and people who were defending their homes to be dishonorable and disgusting. The South did nothing wrong except stand for state's rights, which was intolerable to the money-grubbing Northerners and their goal to keep the South subordinate to their agendas.

Response by SSgt Defonsio Daniels made Apr 9 at 2020 1:54 AM

SSgt Defonsio Daniels — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 01:54:25 -0400

The problem is how and what that flag is used for to show what it represents and that’s hate and divide. I’ve personally never seen it used to Unit the people of the “UNITED” States of America. As a child my introduction of that flag came with from a person wearing a white hood over his head streaming racial slurs. However I could understand this flag don’t mean the same to some, but the many outweigh the few. I would have them take it down, explain my reasoning or history a long hearing their reasoning for having it up and try to sympathize with their beliefs.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Apr 9 at 2020 10:46 AM

PO1 Don Rowan — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 10:46:05 -0400

None.

Response by SSG Benjamin Prestbury made Apr 9 at 2020 11:44 AM

SSG Benjamin Prestbury — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 11:44:00 -0400

Is it a violation to have a symbolic item in the barracks? if so, continue to allow it but always watch your back. If it is not allowed, have the soldier remove it. Harm could come as a result of it. My company in the 34th armor division had a soldier who drank excessively and would come back to the barracks and beat out his frustrations on his locker. We began to isolate him. Eventually he got a medical discharge.

Response by MGySgt Tommy Martinez made Apr 9 at 2020 12:02 PM

MGySgt Tommy Martinez — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:02:09 -0400

The only flag I would let Marines put up would be the American flag. I wouldn't let Marinesnput up state flags at all only American or the Marine flag. I would tell them I don't let them put the Confederate flag up so I won't allow other flags such as the Puerto Rican flag. I told them the only 2 were American or service flag.

Response by Cpl David Jenks made Apr 9 at 2020 12:09 PM

Cpl David Jenks — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:09:38 -0400

leave it alone

Response by LTC Barry Kimmons made Apr 9 at 2020 12:48 PM

LTC Barry Kimmons — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 12:48:16 -0400

Why would a person want to celebrate a culture, advocating owning another individual? My blood is red, just like those who want to celebrate that culture. The same blood spilled on the battlefield, to protect the Soldier fighting next to you. and for America. However, those flying the Confederate Flag to celebrate a southern culture avoids that question.

Response by Heidi Christensen made Apr 9 at 2020 10:33 PM

Heidi Christensen — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 22:33:09 -0400

I have no authority here since I am not a Veteran. I am the great-great granddaughter of a Confederate soldier, and understand how powerful ensigns can be. While I have read the UCMJ, I am not sure if there is a provision for displaying ensigns from an enemy nation. The CSA has killed more Federal soldiers than any other enemy to date in a standing war to the extent of my knowledge. Many consider us an enemy nation, and in every way, we are a foreign nation compared to the rest of these United States of America.

I quit the United Daughters of the Confederacy, because the material aid to Veterans they provided when they chartered in 1894 is more my duty. Very little of that is done in their ranks now, so I struck out on my own to do my best by America's Veterans. Before there was a Veterans Administration, there were women who volunteered to help wounded Veterans from both Union and CSA sides. The misery and sorriness resulting from the American Civil War left many wounded, destitute, and burnt the Southeastern United States to the ground. Women soldiered on cooking, cleaning, mending, counseling, and any number of duties to help America move forward. So it is with many women today, as this is the best of feminine nature to nurture those who are vulnerable.

The Saint Andrews Cross, Scotland's national ensign, is a deeply spiritual symbol to many people, myself included. That's why as a Navy widow, and a woman who strives to be ladylike in all matters, yet fails often, I have grown weary with what I believe is the idolatry of these CSA monuments and especially abuses of the flag. When I see an ensign from the CSA plastered with images of nude women and vulgar language with racial epithets, my heart breaks. The poetry of our beloved Southland, its beautiful people with their pleasant easy manners and helpful ways, sultry breezes, Spanish moss draped elder Oak trees, Momma's pecan pie, lyrical genius, air pregnant with honeysuckle and magnolia are all more powerful symbols of our shared heritage than an ensign.

The worst trouble us rednecks have about this flag is from rednecks themselves who go rogue and violent. This sorriness is what strips us from our ethnic identity on the world stage, making us seem like the uncola people, tragically white, genocidal maniacs whose reactive minds punish others because we know we have completely recessive genes. Yes, there is plenty good in our culture, but it's found in so much more than an ensign. I know we hate stereotypes, but the truth is many of us Appalachian Americans, like most everyone on Planet Earth, are inbred and this is the cause of much of this rail headed behavior. Please stop marrying people on your same moonshine route. Please.
Cousins can only marry so long before everybody comes out acting like a rodeo goat eating gun powder. Check marriage records in rural Appalachia and see if I'm wrong. Judges have to deny second cousins marriage licensure still, so one might argue that we really don't have marriage equality. Or one might argue that said Judge is a legal and genetic genius who has prevented the misery of children raised on hatred, shame, and with no identity save rebel, and no human touch save a good strong beating every day. White people are not bad, but we cannot deny that breeding to close within our family tree is only trouble. Ted Bundy himself was the product of his grandfather being his father who raped his blessed Mother. Inbreeding creates violence.

Mother of God, please hear my prayer and bless our youth for welcoming a Bride or Groom from every nation so long as they love one another and raise their children well. Please graft another branch on to our family tree. Some of us rednecks are hell bent for leather to fight more than feed themselves and their family. I know because I was raised by them and broke away from them as best I could. I love them still, but they are wrong. The Southland is statistically still the most violent region of our country, so we must consider how our thoughts and words translate into actions, habits, and character.

Yes, I am proud of my family, but not to the point of being sorry and ugly acting. This sorry behavior creates more misunderstanding over history than all the history books every could. Let's think about the future and stop arguing over the past. Now it seems to me this young man holds a certain privilege I don't, given that his intent was to steel his resolve to serve these United States of America and generate an esprit de corps. I say let him have his flag. Many of my neighbors in South Carolina born in Nigeria know our Constitution and Military history better than those born on American soil. Many born here have become complacent and sorry. This is unacceptable and must stop now.

General Robert E. Lee himself, who surrendered at Appomattox 155 years ago today, urged us not to make idolatry over this conquered nation known as the CSA, and would likely prefer us to behave honorably toward one another instead of fight over symbols. I say treat us rednecks with some firmness, as Robert E. Lee said of our brethren held in bondage. Let so-called people of color show the CSA ensigns as they wish. This is Heidi Christensen and these are my thoughts. Thank you for listening. Above all, thank you for your sacrifice to protect us and make the world a better place. I love you so very much.

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Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 10:58 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:58:50 -0400

Ya. Just teel him nice to remove it as inappropriate for the situation. I sure they underztand . But don't be a hole about it

Response by SPC L Carlton made Apr 10 at 2020 11:18 AM

SPC L Carlton — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0400

Maybe use it as a training tool, share VP Stephen's Cornerstone Speech, or have them read the Declaration of Causes for Secession. Maybe have them read the CSA Constitution and under this line in Article I : "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Response by SPC Stacey Miller made Apr 10 at 2020 1:54 PM

SPC Stacey Miller — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:54:47 -0400

It’s a patriot pride thing. He’s proud of his or her service and country. Leave it be

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 2:40 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:40:56 -0400

Absolutely none. It is not a flag for racism. It is a military flag. A US MILITARY FLAG. The same US Military Flag that was granted protection by congress in the late 50's. Anyone who views it as some terrible thing is ignorant as hell. Do some history research.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 3:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 15:32:55 -0400

To me itd be the same as a soldier displaying a swastika. You don't display a flag of an ideology responsible for the greatest act of treason against the United States in history, while claiming to serve the US. Pick one. If the confederacy is that important, leave the service of your country.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 7:27 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 19:27:32 -0400

Look, in the past I was called a racist and hated on by others for flying this flag. The reason people hate the Rebel flag is simply because they dont understand history. And from what ive seen it has mainly been white folks to throw a hissy fit over it. I have many colored friends and they fly the Rebel flag high because they understand. They have knowledge of what happened. People refuse to pick up books anymore and learn history. They’d rather stick to social media to decide what they like and dont like.

Response by TSgt Alejandro Cuervo made Apr 10 at 2020 10:28 PM

TSgt Alejandro Cuervo — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:28:32 -0400

While I would not be offended, there should be absolutely nothing being displayed during room inspections or barrack inspection. Even inside members' wall locker or footlockers, at least that was the norm while I was in service. This came about once female Officers or SNCO started to conduct inspections and there was playboy centerfold being hang.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2020 12:18 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 00:18:48 -0400

It's not a flag you would find at Garrison. If you for whatever reason own the flag, leave it at home and don't bring it to the barracks. The military history of this flag is not the United State's, it belongs to the Confederate states and their constitution. It is a symbol of the separation of those states who were pro-slavery and who were not. Even today, it is used with white supremacy. I would not advise my soldiers to display it

Response by GySgt James Ogilvie made Apr 11 at 2020 1:29 AM

GySgt James Ogilvie — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 01:29:00 -0400

We have to many piss ants ( left commies ) these days. And we let them ride over us disregarding our American heritage. The flag represents a part of our history and it's a shame we have too many liberal teachers and professors teaching a different history in the schools. The minority rules over the majority in most cases and we let it happen - famous giants from the war between the states are removed from books, statues, and lost to our future generations. Too many rules and regs for political correctness -- right ( who makes them ) ??? I would just say because of the present day, tell the lad to fold it neatly and put it away for inspections and keep it ready to fly when kicking ass over in the sands / jungles or hills,

Response by SrA David G made Apr 11 at 2020 12:20 PM

SrA David G — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:20:40 -0400

You've answered your question in your post. "AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags et removed to maintain good order and discipline." As you state the commander decides.

Response by SPC Daniel Stilwell made Apr 12 at 2020 12:36 AM

SPC Daniel Stilwell — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:36:07 -0400

If you think it's racist the army is not for you or the army got very soft since I left. My Sargent had good ol boy tatted on his arm, a few guys in my squad had a "rebel" flag tatted on their arms, and I even had a cross on my neck that I had a wavier for. No one had a problem with any of it cuz we did our jobs and never had a problem with any other soldier. People who have problems with this stuff probably need to get out of the army and find a new profession. My opinion, but seriously next you'll be offended with the American flag on your uniform.

Response by LCDR George Goforth made Apr 12 at 2020 10:24 AM

LCDR George Goforth — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:24:03 -0400

Have if removed if you, as the person in charge, feel that the modified flag has the potential to disrupt good order and discipline among the workforce the same as you would other items that you feel might be offensive to some. However, keep in mind and be careful not to not pick and chose what you feel is or is not appropriate, as as there is lots of religious, historical, sayings, and pictorial items that could be considered sensitive based on gender and race. The best course of action is to enforce AR 600-15 as related to this without prejudice and make no exceptions.

Response by CPL Dennis Clark made Apr 12 at 2020 5:38 PM

CPL Dennis Clark — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:38:22 -0400

It is part of our history and only the ignorant and uneducated would think it symbolizes racism. I even know black families who believe in flying the rebel flag. I put that flag on equal grounds with "Don't Tread On Me." I take my hat off to anybody who believes in flying the rebel flag, and I salute any soldier who does so. We fight for constitutional rights, even if we may disagree with some of them, there is no law broken, and people have a right to fly that flag. Just like many people are judgmental against Muslims in our great country but we fight so people have the right to be whatever religion they want to be. If the flag, itself, is not trying to kill people, there is nothing wrong with it. If it offends someone, and makes them cry, then they don't belong in the military and need to go back home to Momma.

Response by SSgt Paul Mimeault made Apr 12 at 2020 5:39 PM

SSgt Paul Mimeault — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:39:37 -0400

It’s his room. It’s not a common room or a place where others are required to be. Soldiers are within their rights to express themselves under the first amendment also.
As long as it doesn’t interfere with the mission it’s fine imo.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Apr 12 at 2020 8:32 PM

SSG Ken Gilder — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:32:03 -0400

Nothing. Unless there is a reg specifically barring the Confederate battle flag, and unless there is evidence that the flag is being used as a symbol of racism, freedom of expression applies.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Apr 12 at 2020 9:11 PM

SPC Jesse Davis — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:11:48 -0400

Don't glorify traitors, keep that ignorance at home, and don't let that poisonous ideology affect his performance.

Response by MSG Jay Jackson made Apr 13 at 2020 1:23 AM

MSG Jay Jackson — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 01:23:51 -0400

Would all of you who display the rebel flag or battle flag of NVA proudly display the hand cuffs that were made for negro woman, negro child? How about the freeman tags that freed slaves had to wear? That part of the southern heritage also.

Response by LTC David Howard made Apr 13 at 2020 8:44 AM

LTC David Howard — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:44:19 -0400

Symbols and even language change over time in their general meaning and use. While some may see the Confederate battle flag as merely a historical artifact, or cultural symbol of their family's past, today it is generally seen as a symbol of white racism. To that degree, the display of this flag could reasonably be interpreted as being disruptive to good order, discipline and unit morale. While this flag, if on display in a history museum would be appropriate, it is not so in a barracks. If a soldier is the grandson of a Nazi, and wishes to display a large photo of his grandfather in full Nazi uniform and regalia, would that be allowed or would it be viewed as a symbol of anti-American white nationalism? What the intent of the display may be does not necessarily negate the impact of that display on others, and on the unit as a whole. If were the commander involved, I would order the flag removed from display, while not objecting to the soldier retaining that flag itself.

Response by SFC Anthony Williams, Sr. made Apr 13 at 2020 3:36 PM

SFC Anthony Williams, Sr. — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:36:05 -0400

The rebel flag has no place in a military barracks.

Response by LT Mike Jennings made Apr 13 at 2020 5:32 PM

LT Mike Jennings — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:32:43 -0400

Most people have heard "diversity is our strength" so long that we just nod our head in agreement when we hear it, but that is garbage. It is not even close to truth. Unity is our strength. The military indoctrination process is designed to take a whole bunch of free people from diverse backgrounds and create unity by collective oppression. The point isn't to remove our diversity but to put is aside so that you can deal with the outside threat. The process causes us to get to know the person next to you and to rely on that person. Soon you begin to get to know the person and start to fight the outside threat because you care about the person next to you and that person cares about you. That person also helps to keep you from harm in the same way. This is how military community is created, and it is radically different from the PC garbage we've been hearing about diversity since the early '90s. Our PC world makes us think that we can't achieve unity unless we never say or do anything that offends people. Troops have been offending each other for years! It's part of the process. The military is tough-person territory. You're in a business that may require you to kill people and order others to their death if necessary, and if seeing the rebel flag causes a flower to wilt, thank God it happened in peacetime and not in front of the enemy. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't respect people. Of course we should, but respect is a 2-way street for the offended and the offender. America has come to embrace the victim culture, and all too often, an offense is overblown and used to dominate the offending party or crush diversity from establishment opinion. It's the most perverse form of though control ever used in America.
This reminds me of a story from my early high school days. Growing up in PA not too far from Gettysburg, I knew who won the Civil War, and I was proud to be a northerner. One summer, I went to a camp with kids from all over the country, and I came in contact with a proud rebel from TX who seemed to want to be sure that everyone knew that. He even chose to fly a flag above his bunk. One night, my friend and I stole the flag and burned it in the courtyard. We took a picture of it burning and dropped it off on his rack. The kid was devastated. I thought he was going to cry - maybe he did - I can't remember, but what I do remember is that I felt awful. This guy was just proud to be from the south. It was his family heritage, and he was out of his element for the first time in his life, too, which was likely the real reason he was so "loud" about being a rebel from the south.
The moral of the story is that I was offended by this act, and in my own victimhood, I justified taking someone else's property and destroying it. Beyond that, I used that offense to destroy the other person's spirit, and that was wrong. Our troops should be proud of their heritage and history, and even if that history may have been in conflict with our own history, none of us are responsible for the sins of our fathers (or mothers). And by extension, none of us are responsible for the sins of any person or group of people of which we were not personally a party to the act. Therefore, nobody has the right to disparage the heritage of anybody else. We don't control where we were born or when we were born, but if we want to be proud of where we come from, we should be. Overall, America is a noble nation, but she's not perfect. That doesn't make me any less proud to be an American because America tries to get it right as best she can and much more often than the rest of the world. History demonstrates that. It's always easy to second-guess decisions you didn't have to make to address situations you didn't have to endure. So let's take a chill over symbols of our heritage, and let's remember that there are people in this world who don't care if you love America or not. They still want to kill you just because you are. And if you really want to know how these people got this way, it's because they created a culture that says that their being offended by who you are (American, Christian, Jew, etc.) is more important than your life. This is a slippery slope.

Response by SrA David G made Apr 13 at 2020 7:17 PM

SrA David G — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:17:05 -0400

The flag that sets off so many people is the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. (The bars and stars x flag.) It is not an official flag of the Confederacy. It never flew over any official building of the Confederacy.

The official formally approved flag of the Confederacy looks nothing like the flag usually be complained about and misidentified as the "Confederate Flag.

One of the main underlying issues of the US Civil War was slavery. None of the slaves brought to America from Africa came here under the flag of the Confederacy. Almost all came here under the United States and United Kingdom flag.

The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia represents the heritage of the Confederate Army and the love of the states by those free Americans that lived there.

The civil war ended in 1865. None of us or any of our relatives lived during the civil war. We argue and even fight over a symbol none of us created and no one that complains nor any of their relatives were alive to be offended by the civil war or its symbols.
The eleven states that succeeded from the United States did so to form their own country much in the manner that the 13 Colonies succeeded from the UK. The 13 Colonies won their battle of independence. The 11 states of the Confederacy lost their battle for a new country and independence from the United States.

Response by COL Louis Jordan made Apr 14 at 2020 12:19 AM

COL Louis Jordan — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:19:01 -0400

Interesting discussion but a bit flawed. Would anyone feel comfortable with your soldiers displaying the Nazi swatzika? Both stand for the same thing. The original 13 states of Confederacy ceded from the Union to maintain the institution of slavery. In fact, it is in their articles of cessation so the “states” rights” argument is BS, historically inaccurate, and an attempt to maintain white supremacy ( The Cause). If you read “Mein Kampf” the thesis is the same about supremacy of the German race. The Japanese battle and ISIS flags fall into same category. Defeated enemies.

As NCOs, if you come across this again, put together a class on the real meaning behind these symbols. You could also add in that “Make America Great again” was originally the slogan of the American Nazi Party in the 1930’s Our soldiers are getting hit with a lot of fake information.

Response by Lt Col Robert Van Hee made Apr 14 at 2020 7:28 AM

Lt Col Robert Van Hee — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:28:49 -0400

Crack open a book? Good idea. You can start with any book that covers the goals of the Confederacy. Like it or not, there is only one flag of the United States, and it is the only flag to which you should showing any loyalty. Crack open a book yourself.

Response by Gordon Flick made Apr 14 at 2020 5:42 PM

Gordon Flick — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:42:46 -0400

I’m proud to be a Confederate-American. Every Southerner from 1861 to the current day has gone to war with that piece of home with him. The Battle Flag went with some of the bravest and most honorable troops ever to be deployed, whether they were white, red, black, brown, or yellow, we all wear gray. Leave it be. Southerners represent a large number of servicemen. If you remove it, you’ll have more than half your men mad at you.

Response by LTC Nathan Hines made Apr 14 at 2020 7:34 PM

LTC Nathan Hines — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:34:09 -0400

Nice topic! Having read many of the responses to your post...I will add this. AR 600-20 Army Command Policy...gives the authority to the Commander to make the call. Therefore there is no one size fits all answer. The Commander has been given the responsibility to build an "elite team of fighting men-women" (Heartbreak Ridge reference).

So, whatever he/she deems is beneficial or detrimental to that is up to him/her. It's like the commander who likes to run 10 miles on Friday with his officers...most don't like it but guess what...on Fridays they will run 10 miles or not which would mean they fell short of that particular "standard." What about 180 points on the APFT...that's the Army standard but the commander thinks that 270 might be a better gauge to identify those that are super Soldiers. So in his unit you definitely want to track as above average as he has set the stage for Soldiers to compete in that area which can in most situations make any organization better.

Leave all the personal stuff at the door...do what's best for overall unit cohesion which sometimes means personal sacrifice as well as biting your lip. But don't be dismayed because sometimes Commanders get checked by their higher commander in your favor. It's all good! :-)

Enjoy your time in the service and don't get caught up in your personal feelings so much or chasing things down rabbit holes! Make friends for life! Some command decisions you won't like and others you will LOVE! You will definitely miss it when you leave!

GarryOwen!

I know 7th Cavalry has its issues with their treatment of Native Americans in the 1800's but I loved my time with 1st and 3rd Squadrons! Those things were wrong but I can still respect -MY- time (not anyone else's time) in the unit when we didn't do any of those things. Plus I will always love my Native American brothers and sisters!!

Response by SSG Jason Penn made Apr 15 at 2020 1:53 PM

SSG Jason Penn — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:53:10 -0400

A barracks room is considered personal space.... His room is not on public display, meaning that it is considered a private area. Therefore, it is reasonable to say that the average person would not see what he has on display. He is just as free to display that rebel flag as another is free to display a Puerto Rican flag.

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made Apr 16 at 2020 10:09 AM

MAJ Phil Bundy — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:09:38 -0400

If there is a possibility of it causing a disruption, have the soldier remove the flag as per AR 600-15, para 2-4. The soldier also might want to read some history concerning the "rebel flag," its origins, and what it stands for today. Additionally, the idea that the Confederate battle flag "doesn't run" is certainly not accurate as there were many battles during the Civil War when those colors ran, especially during the spring of 1865. Beyond all this, why would you want to hang a flag of a failed rebellion against the Constitution and country you've sworn an oath to protect?

Response by LCpl Folsom White made Apr 16 at 2020 4:02 PM

LCpl Folsom White — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:02:52 -0400

I’m Native American, Choctaw to be more specific. I took the oath to serve our country, defend our constitution, and be loyal and faithful. I stand at attention and render the appropriate salute to our anthem and colors.
However, I don’t for one minute believe our flag and constitution stand for everything that is righteous and just in the world. They presided over the conquest of my people and all the indigenous tribes of this continent. My great uncle and great grandfather served as officers in the 1st battalion of Choctaw mounted rifles, and the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma served the CSA. I’m proud of my family’s service and proud of my heritage. I’m also a proud American.

Response by SPC Dwight Turner made Apr 18 at 2020 10:36 PM

SPC Dwight Turner — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:36:51 -0400

personally it can offend others order from south they removed it from states since army commander should take charge of everything I myself find it offsenive then having lived on border state Missouri which brothers fought for both sides i'll leave it at that

Response by 1SG G.p. Clements made Apr 22 at 2020 4:29 PM

1SG G.p. Clements — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:29:24 -0400

The Confederate Flag was a symbol of a nation that had seceded. The Civil War was about states rights, not slavery. So much in history has been lost today because of the failure of this country’s education system.
- 1SG Retired

Response by Col Robert Wallace made Apr 24 at 2020 11:02 PM

Col Robert Wallace — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 23:02:18 -0400

SFC. Before anything is done about finding a modified Confederate Flag in a barracks inspection, people need tp read & learn the United States Civil War History. What is commonly called "The Rebel Flag" is, in actually the Confederate States Battle Flag. It wasn't until after the Civil War when the Democrats organized the KKK (fact, not hearsay) & adopted the Battle Flag as the symbol of "Rebellion" to instill fear into the Colored race & thus called it "The Rebel Flag". Too many people just accept what they were told since childhood instead of doing factual research on a subject.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Apr 25 at 2020 12:22 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:22:45 -0400

Sounds like petty bullshit to me , on it's own means nothing but someone found that flag cool and bought it . Why don't you concentrate on the important stuff , was the place Clean and orderly ? Are your troops fully trained and ready to deploy ? Are your troops physically fit ? Stop trying to be a PC asshole and force your political opinions and view on your subordinates , your making yourself and all the other NCO's look bad . get your shit together sarge .

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2020 2:19 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:19:41 -0400

The CMC just took a firm stand on this and I suspect other members of the JCS will follow suit.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2020 3:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:33:59 -0400

So would having a 69 charger that looks like the general Lee , would that be a no go ?

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Apr 28 at 2020 10:50 AM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:50:04 -0400

It's in the soldier's room. Leave it alone. Now if that some soldier is walking around the barracks and slinging racial slurs that's another story. I had a friend when I was stationed at Ft Mcclellan as an Instructor that was black. One day I came into the office and saw a Confederate flag on the corner of his desk. I immediately thought that someone was messing with him. So I took the flag from his desk and put it in my desk drawer until he came back. When I pulled it out and showed it to him and was apologizing he said, "No, That's my flag! I'm proud of it!" He was from South Carolina. For those of you that don't know, the Confederate flag flew over the SC state capitol until July of 2015. To southerners, the confederate flag is not about racism, it's about cultural pride. Most southerners don't look at the Civil War as about slavery as they see it as a war of sovereign rights. Many southerners refer to that war as the Northern War of Aggression. It's all in your point of view. By the way, I'm from the Washington, DC area. My Great Great Uncle was a Union Sharpshooter and was wounded at the Battle of Bull Run.

Response by MAJ Terry LaFrance made Apr 29 at 2020 12:21 AM

MAJ Terry LaFrance — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:21:24 -0400

when in doubt contact EO

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2020 2:24 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 May 2020 14:24:07 -0400

My $0.02. The regulation places the burden on the Commander for a reason. While in command it is your responsibility to assess the situation and determine if "good order and discipline" (an intentionally vague term left open to YOUR interpretation) is being effected by the display.
The more important question is do you have a tight knit, cohesive, element? Are there any racial tensions? Is the owner of the flag accepted by everyone? Does anyone feel ostracized? Ect.
If there are problems with cohesion, the perhaps the flag is an indicator of something under the surface.
The easy answer, and in my humble opinion wrong answer, is to have ALL flags other than the US flag removed.
Personally, I would gather everyone together and have a conversation. Ask the soldier what the flag represents to them. Ask if anyone is offended/has a problem with the flag. If someone TRULY has a problem they will speak up. Then I would make it known that they have the option to use my open door policy, at ANY time, to voice their problems or concerns, on ANY topic.

Response by SFC Daniel Eliseuson made May 3 at 2020 4:59 PM

SFC Daniel Eliseuson — Sun, 03 May 2020 16:59:32 -0400

Do nothing

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made May 13 at 2020 8:29 AM

SSG Red Hoffman — Wed, 13 May 2020 08:29:27 -0400

I think the thoughts concerning the ‘rebel flag’ mentality has gone too far. This is on the same line of tearing done historic statues and disowning certain members of society...some good some bad...who were part of making this country the great place that we have all come to love. Personally, I would not give that flag a second thought. I might say to the soldier to be careful to make sure this doesn’t offend anyone and leave it at that.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Jun 2 at 2020 5:12 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 17:12:49 -0400

Nothing; there is technically nothing wrong with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 3:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 03:31:24 -0400

towards every person from the South. First it was the Confederate flag then it was the Confederate Monuments now it is Christopher Columbus then they removed the Texas Rangers Monument when a country destroys its own history they are doomed to fail. My question what is next Arlington or the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers? Where do we stop? I have ancestors that fought on both sides of the Civil War when it was over the Federal Government made all Confederate Soldiers Veterans of America. LIke I said where does it stop? To everyone from a Southern State we see the Battle Flag as Southern Pride not Hate.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Jun 14 at 2020 8:33 PM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:33:24 -0400

unless there is a specific order against from the command and by the CO, there would be no legal basis to do anything

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Jun 14 at 2020 8:39 PM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:39:04 -0400

unless there is a written order by the CO or regulation you can cite... The is nothing you can do because it would be a capricious and arbitrary order that doesn't come from the CO or the UCMJ

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Jun 14 at 2020 8:41 PM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:41:29 -0400

Also, you have to remember... in today's climate. as in ancient times.. if you enforce arbitrary orders, you can end up with mutiny, assassination, and or lynchings if you piss your subordinates off too much... you should know that the guy behind you in battle can easily be pointing his weapon at you from behind

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 12:09 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:09:05 -0400

This is a bit long, so go ahead and skip it if you feel so.

I am from Texas. I am of Scottish descent (by name) and Irish descent (by the majority of my blood).

I love Texas. I love our country.

But this is foolish. The confederacy lasted 5 years, and people want to call it heritage! This wasn’t generations on a land fighting for survival and/or independence from tyranny. It was, almost quite literally, “I’m gonna take my ball and go home because I don’t like your rules!”

And before ya’ll jump down my throat: I know the war was about federal control. Yes, I know that the emancipation proclamation wasn’t until halfway through the war. And yes, the way our country handled slavery was both unbeholden and (if you’re like 90% of southerners) un-Christian. While the articles of confederacy had some (/some/) merit, those issues are still represented today.

I’m a maintainer. I’m thick skinned and hard willed. But I would never, EVER have that flag in my office, home, or anywhere. I need my subordinates to know that they can come to me with /ANYTHING/. I refuse to let some figment of ideology separate myself from my subordinates or superiors.

And you should, too. If you have any respect for your peers, your brothers/sisters, or the Oath, you wouldn’t display that.

But I digress.

Response by SSG Rob Lawrence made Jun 19 at 2020 3:37 PM

SSG Rob Lawrence — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:37:00 -0400

The Army is still weighing in on the matter of Confedrate flags on display. The Marine Corps and Navy have already banned them from public display. Not sure if that includes a soldier’s room or not.

Response by MAJ Damajah Arnold made Jun 22 at 2020 7:14 PM

MAJ Damajah Arnold — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 19:14:08 -0400

Being a former teacher, and firmly on the side that actually won the War of the Rebellion, I’m curious to where you got your propaganda about Southern history and culture, much of which has been factionalized by writers and Hollywood. Without regards to who benefited from the Indian Removal Act, slavery, the odious crimes committed in the South during Reconstruction, the leased convict system, peonage, sharecropping, Jim Crow, and the struggle for civil rights, I’m hard pressed to find anyone who can defend the “good” about Southern culture, while ignoring the impact that culture had on real human beings. No one alive today had anything to do with what happened long ago, and no one should be forced to carry the guilt of their ancestors, but when you adopt and associate yourself with the symbols of a amoral oligarchy that exploited poor whites and enslaved blacks, you might be able to understand why the millennial generation is rejecting your attachment to those symbols.

Response by SMSgt Christopher Gray made Jun 26 at 2020 9:59 AM

SMSgt Christopher Gray — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:59:14 -0400

If it offends, remove the flag, this is government property not personal. Hang it at home or on your personal property is okay with me.

Response by TSgt Don Dollinger made Jun 27 at 2020 3:11 PM

TSgt Don Dollinger — Sat, 27 Jun 2020 15:11:50 -0400

Once the rebel flag morphed into a symbol of racism due to the Civil War being fought partly over slavery it's symbolism cannot be ignored. I'm white and once had to order a southern black airman to remove rebel flag decals from his pickup truck. Similar to the swastika which is actually an ancient religious symbol in more than a few ancient Eurasian religions once it was assigned that symbolism it became devisive and ordering it removal is a no-brainer.

Response by SGT David Beardslee made Jun 29 at 2020 9:15 AM

SGT David Beardslee — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:15:42 -0400

Who cares. This is obviously his choice and may be his heritage. People need to educate themselves with history and not based on hate or race. Next you will try to ban Coca Cola because it was invented by a confederate officer who had slaves.. What happened to fighting for our Freedoms?????

Response by SSgt Rick Zambrana made Jun 29 at 2020 9:40 AM

SSgt Rick Zambrana — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:40:21 -0400

Anything that might provoke a hostile work environment should be delt with, if you feel this might bring a racial issue, ot other cultural issues, then it needs to be brought up and delt with.

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jun 29 at 2020 10:32 AM

MSG Felipe De Leon Brown — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:32:39 -0400

By rebel flag, do you mean the Confederate Battle Flag? If so, then the individual's leader(s) need to have a conversation with the soldier of his/her reasoning.
To many of us, any flag that represents a deliberate rebellion against the United States is an offense. It is even more and especially offensive when the flag is one of a government who pursued genocide against others that was based of bigotry against a "race", religion, ethnicity and so forth.
Commanders have the obligation to maintain order and discipline. All uniformed members of the United States Armed Forces take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution. Displaying any flag that represents treason to the United States is not, in my opinion, representative of one's fidelity to our Oath of Enlistment.

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made Jun 29 at 2020 11:46 AM

MSG Harvey Kane — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:46:35 -0400

One should keep one's religious, political, heritage whatever that is, etc to oneself! A good NCO is in touch with his/her troops and knows what causes dissention in the unit. When one enlists as the saying goes, give your soul to God because your ass is mine!

Response by Sgt Earl Newton made Jun 29 at 2020 12:11 PM

Sgt Earl Newton — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:11:07 -0400

ITS IN HIS ROOM Nothing it is his personal space and for all you that see RACE everywhere you probably are a RACIST

Response by Sgt James Gross made Jun 29 at 2020 4:38 PM

Sgt James Gross — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:38:12 -0400

Displaying the flag itself as far as I am concerned, is an individual right. If the person viewing it is offended, I would consider it a personal problem or bias. To me it is a part of American history.

Response by PO3 Maximillian Tsane made Jun 29 at 2020 5:50 PM

PO3 Maximillian Tsane — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:50:19 -0400

If you want it removed it is up to your discretion. There is no violation as no flag is illegal. That would be a violation of the first amendment

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2020 6:08 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:08:27 -0400

Abolish all flags! And fight wars against everyone who has a flag because clearly they are morally inferior and must be exterminated. Clearly, I'm being sarcastic. Let's worry more about if our soldiers can shoot well and do their jobs and less about what is hanging on their walls.

Response by SGM William Heath made Jun 29 at 2020 8:48 PM

SGM William Heath — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 20:48:46 -0400

Has everyone forgot our chivalry liberties. Confederate flags are not about race but heritage!. If we forget history we are domed to repeat it.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 30 at 2020 12:08 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 00:08:02 -0400

We have become the United States of the Offended. I think that people, especially Soldiers should abstain from being too political. I dislike and distrust Democrats AND Republicans. I took an oath to the CONSTITUTION.
SOLDIERS should STOP identifying with their Hyphens. They should not be a Something-American. Just be an American Soldier. The Army SHOULD be COLORBLIND, GENDERBLIND and so on. That will never happen until Big-Army takes the lead and eliminates all references to Race, Ethnicity and Gender in its promotion and assignment practices. There should be NO EO Goals, and no factors aside from ability, performance and conduct evaluated for awards, promotions and assignments.
If you strain and have an aneurysm at a Confederate Flag, but the institutional discrimination perpetrated by DA Selection boards does not bother you, have another think about things.

Response by Stephen Bracken made Jun 30 at 2020 7:20 AM

Stephen Bracken — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 07:20:29 -0400

I would start humming the intro to the Dukes of Hazzard

Response by Cpl Rose Flores Dugan made Jun 30 at 2020 8:04 AM

Cpl Rose Flores Dugan — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 08:04:06 -0400

In my opinion the tattoo as long as it is covered while you are in uniform then I would not worry about. I’m not the doing the inspection. For your future and well being you should tattoo it with something else. This society is okay with a man marrying a man or man becoming a woman. But it’s not okay to have a tattoo of your choice. Think about this could affect your career in the future. Your tattoo is based on your opinion. These days the only people who can afford an opinion are the rich and politicians.

Response by SPC David Link made Jun 30 at 2020 9:02 AM

SPC David Link — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:02:37 -0400

The Confederacy, when used within or in reference to North America, generally means the Confederate States of America. It is also called the Southern Confederacy and refers to 11 states that renounced their existing agreement with others of the United States in 1860–1861 and attempted to establish a new nation in which the authority of the central government would be strictly limited and the institution of slavery would be protected. Secession from the existing Union led to the American Civil War, a bloody, four-year struggle that left much of the South in ashes and ended its hope of creating a new confederacy of states on the North American continent.

Slavery is and was offensive!!! The Confederacy fought against the principles that everyone should have or doesn't! It doesn't matter what color the person was who had the rebel flag was... Slaves fought in the civil war ultimately to continue the practice of slavery... This should never be ok... As it goes against the constitution... Sometimes you must look outside of what you are comfortable with and truly examine how it affects others... For example I hate wearing a Mask during the epidemic... But i wear it to protect others and myself! #simpleasthat

Response by SPC David Link made Jun 30 at 2020 9:09 AM

SPC David Link — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:09:31 -0400

The Confederacy fought to maintain slavery... Why does this need to be debated any further?

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Jun 30 at 2020 11:20 AM

SFC Terry Bryant — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:20:41 -0400

The problem with America and the flag is what people are told. Not what actually happened. For one political side to tell the other that you are wrong not because you are wrong but because we say so is divisional and flawed. People in this country have a right to believe what they want. If I prove to you that 2 plus 2 is 4 and you refuse to believe that for what ever reason that is your RIGHT. For anyone to claim you are wrong no matter how sound your evidence is tyrannical and no better than owning a slave. If someone wants to have a rebel flag or a black panther flag that is their right as long as you are not using it to incite violence or spread your ideology on a military base. That is the basis for approving or disapproving symbols. There are some on the left for instance who believe the cross is a lie and a focal point for the murder of millions in the past. But on the same token they can't decide what it's meaning is for individuals. That is a right we in this country have and should always have. Freedom of expression refers to the ability of an individual or group of individuals to express their beliefs, thoughts, ideas, and emotions about different issues free from government censorship or free from opposing groups of people. People who supported Hitler living today have that right, as long as their hate does not infringe upon others rights. It is that simple.

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Jun 30 at 2020 11:23 AM

1LT Howard Foss — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:23:04 -0400

back in the 60's I had a mish mash of us and ra's (draftees and regular army), there was the American flag in front of every tent. today is a whole different world.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2020 1:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:34:47 -0400

I had this very conversation with one of my Soldiers this morning. And I’m going to say to you the same thing I told him. As Americans we fight for the freedoms that our country has today. If that flag is in his room, his personal space, then why shouldn’t he have his freedom to do so? I know many people of color that aren’t offended by this flag. And everyone’s interpretation of this flag is different.
So the action I would take is this: Don’t be a fucking cunt about it. Who cares. Mind your business and move on.
Stop all the bullshit that the general media is hyping up.

Response by A1C James Cain made Jun 30 at 2020 4:58 PM

A1C James Cain — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 16:58:43 -0400

To deny the history of slavery associated to the confederate flag tells me that some people are concealing their racism with the tired old excuse of it is my history is a KKK excuse. Number one you did not fight in the civil war and you have never met anyone nor has your parents or grandparents. If you are supporting keeping that flag you should be disciplined. There is no ro in the military for relics of the past that causes pleasure for some at the expense of the pain it causes others. If you support flying the confederate flag you support what it means today and yesterday, the support of racism.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2020 5:19 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:19:37 -0400

I would ask them to hang his/her bed sheet in place of the rebel flag and explain that it is the true final flag of the traitors that attacked the United States of America, I would tell him/her that they didn't have to be a loser. Also I would remind him that he swore allegiance to and to defend and protect the United States of America.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2020 6:48 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:48:27 -0400

Bullshit. I call Bullshit.

Response by Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez made Jul 2 at 2020 2:20 AM

Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:20:11 -0400

Myself, a leader would take party involved aside,request they purchase a box, and mail to someone responsible to safe,until person was discharged, and having nothing else said. As it still free country and the flag can still own by said person.

Response by SPC Donald Hudson made Jul 2 at 2020 4:17 AM

SPC Donald Hudson — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 04:17:17 -0400

Idiot's and ignorant people always justify there own agendas for self.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jul 2 at 2020 10:07 AM

1SG Robert Rush — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:07:03 -0400

This whole thing about removing part of our history because it offends a few other is nonsense! This is our history, some good and some bad, but it is what it was! I know that some groups want to erase or change parts of our history. This is very childish. Those of you that have served in Iraq know that ISIS did the very same things. They destroyed sites that were thousand of years old. The people that are doing this things in the civilian sector should not affect our military sector. They are doing this out of nothing but politics. As we all know, the military is to be Non-political. It is unfortunate that politics is being shown in our military leadership today. The military as a whole needs to get back to the basics. We get our orders from the chain of command. And that starts at the top with the President of the United States. As an Officer or Senior NCO, whether or not we agree with the orders we have been given, as long as they are lawful orders, we must carry them out to the letter.

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Jul 2 at 2020 1:33 PM

MSgt Danny Derden — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:33:25 -0400

A wise man would tread lightly rather than rushing to judgement or even a ruling on the matter. I had an E-3 who lived in the barracks, he put up a Confederate Battle Flag on the wall over his bunk, it hung there for weeks and we never heard a word about it. He had some buddies over to his room for a little partay and the next day a complaint was filed with the First Sgt by one of his party goers...who happened to be Black...the complaint included the 'fact' that my E-3 was clearly a white supremacist. Of course I was called in on the matter and "Yes I knew about the flag" was my answer when the obvious question was asked. "Didn't see a need to do more than address the obvious which was make sure that anyone who sees it knows what it means to YOU." Evidently that point wasn't made well enough for the guy who complained. Anyway the First Sgt brought up the whole racist/white supremacist thing (he was a damn Yankee of course and didn't 'get the Southern Heritage thing ain't always about skin tone') I let him ramble and posture and make his threats for a while...love to play the Command Structure like a fish whenever the opportunity presents itself (ain't life grand)...and then I nonchalantly asked the First Sgt and Commander (who had come in to participate in the butt chewing (don't they always) "Have you happened to have met my troops fiance?" Of course they wanted to know WTH that had to do with anything and then I dropped the MOAB...She is BLACK and I mean of the dark variety and true Ebony Queen (female type)...Their eyes bulged out and their jaws dropped and then I said "So I'm not sure how the white supremacist racist thing is going to play when she shows up to vouch for his character..." They dropped the issue...another win for the HammerHead. I like to win...especially when the other guy thinks he already has. I had my troop keep his flag up for a couple more weeks and then I told him to take it down, his point was made, I kept his ass out of hot water that time but there wouldn't be a second time. He understood.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Jul 2 at 2020 3:40 PM

SPC Brian Mason — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:40:20 -0400

It's a battle flag for a regiment in the Civil War.
Without going on about the correct history, it was NOT over just slavery. Lincoln was in fact against making slavery illegal. A fraction of people at the time had slaves and some of them were black.
I know there is another battle flag which has it in a smaller area on the upper L corner. If the soldier is displaying signs of racism and all that then that should be stopped. I am from the South as well. Erasing history b/c people get offended is very pathetic and childish. Those who erase or ignore history good or bad will repeat it.

Response by SPC Paul LaBelle made Jul 2 at 2020 6:39 PM

SPC Paul LaBelle — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:39:49 -0400

How would those of you defending the display of a confederate battle flag feel about a soldier hanging an Isis flag in their barracks room? Americans have fought and died under the Isis flag. Confederate soldiers killed more Americans than Al Queda and Isis combined.
So why is one acceptable and the other an insult?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2020 10:24 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:24:48 -0400

The commander decides. Period. If it were me, it would come down immediately.

Response by Lt Col Leslie Bryant made Jul 3 at 2020 12:49 AM

Lt Col Leslie Bryant — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:49:31 -0400

Destroying our history does not make it go away! If only means we will repeat the mistakes we made! And do we really want to repeat the mistakes it has taken decades or a century to learn. Do we really want to forget our values of freedom, liberty and democracy that our great country was founded upon and others are willing to die to reach.

Response by PO3 Irvin Lammie made Jul 3 at 2020 6:34 AM

PO3 Irvin Lammie — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 06:34:53 -0400

Don't care what color the soldier is, it is immaterial. Remove the flag, bad symbol. We fought a war to defeat that symbol and that flag, got to go. People just don,t get it. The confederacy succeeded, became an enemy of the Union, we fought to preserve the Union. The main cause of the confederacy was immoral, preserving slavery. What part of this don,t you understand. There is good history and bad, good tradition and bad. Give it up, move on, statues must come down, bases need to be renamed, they should have never been named after Confederate Generals to start with. Remember the Confederates were the enemy and they were the losers in that war. End of story, good God this is 2020, can we finally put this to rest.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2020 11:25 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 11:25:54 -0400

Always hilarious to see people defend this “flag”

It wasn’t flown for that long as it is so how much “heritage” can it symbolize? Not to mention that it represents losing traitors who fought to maintain the status quo that included owning human beings.

Same people would tell African Americans to get over it when slavery is mentioned as a building block to this country and the reason that there’s still inequality.

Your “heritage” is racism. Plain and simple. Now if you acknowledge that and stand firm in those beliefs more power to you. Thanks for being honest. But hiding behind “it was my family who fought in the civil war so it means something to me” is preposterous

Response by SP6 Zz377zz . made Jul 4 at 2020 8:51 AM

SP6 Zz377zz . — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 08:51:06 -0400

P.C. has to stop somewhere,most ironic thing was a friend of mine from Tennessee,Rebel flag on his back with Southern Pride,when questioned he said it meant to him you keep fighting no matter the odds,and that we had to push back against a domineering government,he was black.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2020 8:58 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 08:58:05 -0400

A good Leader (SNCO\NCO) should know their people and as long as it's not causing any issues, than why bother?
A barracks room is probably the only personal place a Service person may have.
If it's not causing any issues, then overlook it
If someone says they find it offensive, then address why. Mostly, it'll probably be a case of telling the offended person to grow up and mind their business.

Response by CSM Barbara Meek made Jul 4 at 2020 11:43 AM

CSM Barbara Meek — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 11:43:12 -0400

We should leave the issue of the Confederate Flag at Rest..,just as we should accept the fact that our country was divided worse in 1861 than it is now.... we fought a bitter war amongst ourselves, and many AMERICANS lost their lives, and people were freed so they could finally take responsibility for themselves .... with continued help from their fellow Americans.

Response by SPC Scott Kauffman made Jul 4 at 2020 3:00 PM

SPC Scott Kauffman — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 15:00:01 -0400

The rebel flag mostly seems to offend those people who aren't very fond of white people to begin with. The flag itself is not about hate, but heritage. Just like someone from the north may be proud of a "yankees" flag, someone from the south may be proud of a "rebel" flag. Flags don't hate, people with hate in their hearts hate.

Response by PO3 Glenn Roland made Jul 4 at 2020 3:35 PM

PO3 Glenn Roland — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 15:35:28 -0400

If it's up for Barracks Inspection... Take it Down and Council the Young Man on the Appropriate time and Place for such Decorations. As long as it doesn't Violate the AR's. As for another Squad Member or Platoon Member getting Offended by a Piece of Colored Cloth... Enhance his Training Schedule so His Hours on Duty are Filled with Mental Learning and Physical Education. In my 27.5 Years We would NEVER have involved the CC. Back then If I Offended you, we went back of the O-Mess, and Got Unoffended. No NCOs or Rank involved.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2020 9:37 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 21:37:20 -0400

This was an interesting and lively discussion and now it may be resolved to the end the debate.
We'll see what happens, but no matter the outcome we were all trained to follow orders, not debate them.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/01/confederate-battle-flag-would-be-banned-at-all-dod-sites-under-house-plan/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Air%20Force%20DNR%207.1.20&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Air%20Force%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup

Confederate battle flag would be banned at all DoD sites under House plan

Lawmakers included the prohibition in their draft of the annual defense authorization bill on Wednesday.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Jul 5 at 2020 6:58 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:58:31 -0400

A very responsive subject that everyone has an opinion on. Myself included. It is an American flag and it has lots of history attached to it, good and bad. Same with the Stars and Stripes. My uncle said that they flew it on his submarine when attacking Japanese shipping in surface attacks. They did it to confuse the Japanese as to who was attacking them. My Australian Aunt made one for each of her six children. To honor their father who fought the Japanese under it. That flag has history we should recognize and remember. Heck, just ask a Scotsman, Irishman, Welshman, or a Frenchman how they feel about the British flag. You will get much the same responses. JP

Response by SGT Paul Turnbull made Jul 5 at 2020 10:29 PM

SGT Paul Turnbull — Sun, 05 Jul 2020 22:29:12 -0400

Honestly, every flag has a history, and with that history comes a dark period. Many southerners are proud of their heritage, but not of their history that involved slavery. Many states still incorporate a part of the rebel flag on their state flag. Labeling the rebel flag as a symbol of hate isn't fair. We haven't banned every state flag of states that had slaves, so why this one. Let it go as long as the SM isn't flaunting it in an inappropriate manner.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Jul 6 at 2020 10:34 AM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:34:41 -0400

Too much is made of the Confederate flag . I would do nothing allowing freedom of speech forgetting people are allowed to burn the American flag as freedom of speech is their a difference here .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2020 3:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:15:21 -0400

Nothing. The Army has stated they haven't made a decision and as such, no regulation. Doesn't matter if you like it or not.

Response by CPO John Moore made Jul 6 at 2020 3:39 PM

CPO John Moore — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:39:17 -0400

You can see what all this PC crap is doing for the people of this country along with the government has gone to hell in a handbasket over this PC bull shit. You will never be able to please ever one (Look at Jesus he was a peace-loving man, but in the end, his own people put his to death because they didn't like what he was teaching and they didn't understand and didn't want to understand his teaching. The people of the United States is just like that. When the people in the military realize that they are living and working under a different set of rules the sooner they will understand that one flag means nothing. (I wore a battle flag patch on my leather jacket for a long time, I got it in Japan in 1956. I was called "Reb" by my fellow marines because I was from the south and not one person threaten to burn down the EM Club or the base chapel over it. People in this country need to grow up as start acting like human vice mad dogs.

Response by SFC Les Branscum made Jul 6 at 2020 4:34 PM

SFC Les Branscum — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 16:34:11 -0400

I retired in 2007 after 30 total years in 2 branches and National Guard. This issue didn't become one until the last 20-30 years of political indoctrination by the left in high school and college. MANY heroes of WW1 and 2 had fathers and grandfathers who fought for the Confederacy. Audie Murphy, General Patton and Alvin York come to mind immediately. I have studied the causes of that war at some length and can say unequivocally that secession was legal and therefore Confederates were NOT traitors. Lincoln cornered the Confederates into firing on Ft. Sumter so he would not look like the aggressor. Slavery wasn't the only reason for secession and the attitude Stephens showed in his "cornerstone speech" was the same attitude most whites in the North had, (BTW, slavery was only one out of eight points Stephens made in his speech). Also, not everyone in the South thought the way Stephens did.
Bottom line, I would leave that soldier and his/ her flag alone.

Response by PO2 John Duke made Jul 6 at 2020 7:40 PM

PO2 John Duke — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 19:40:48 -0400

Nothing. Period.

Response by MSG David C. made Jul 6 at 2020 10:39 PM

MSG David C. — Mon, 06 Jul 2020 22:39:46 -0400

Let's look at it this way! First off it's not a Rebel Flag, it's a Warrior Flag that has a personal meaning to that person. The fellow Warriors have not indicated a problem with the display of your Warrior's flag. Our Military is built on History and Traditions, just because civilians want to change history by tearing down anything that reflects what our Country went through, mainly slavery. I would think our Warriors are better then that, you trust the person on your right, left, front and back no matter what color skin you trust they have your back and not just during time of war. As a Leader, if it's not affecting morale, then let it go, make the Warrior understand if it becomes a problem then it will have to go.

Response by SGT Walter Drumm made Jul 8 at 2020 4:42 PM

SGT Walter Drumm — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:42:44 -0400

Do your flow chart.
Against barracks SOP? Yes=it comes down.
No= informal counseling.
Does it cause an issue(s) during duty hours?
Yes=Formal/written counseling statement.
No=let it go.
Another soldier complains?
Does complaining soldier live in same barracks room/area? Yes=Group session, preferably informal.
No=Tell complaintant to mind his/her business.
This is one of those situations where it's unlikely everyone will be happy or satisfied at the end. As a leader it's important to pick your battles and advise your soldiers to do the same.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Jul 8 at 2020 6:14 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:14:08 -0400

Nothing. It’s an historic symbol of an American war.. It’s a reminder of our cultural differences and yet we are united by a deeper tie. Let not get crazy like the civilian world and understand the deeper personal issues of our somewhat fractured country .

Response by SSG Ralph Geigner made Jul 8 at 2020 11:27 PM

SSG Ralph Geigner — Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:27:20 -0400

I have enjoyed CW CSA history since 1961, Most interest in the many CSA Flags, uniforms, weapons and cannon, sad TERRIBLE what is going on with these many anti military USA history people are doing ! Monuments etc I hope the many CW Battle sites will not be attacked ! many battle sites are wide open at night ! People that know NOTHING about history at all and most don't care as many so called public servants ! RATS etc. I was a reenator for 9 years CSA, until back issues stopped me. I would think ? the flag issue would be a command decision ? or so long as in a room would be alright.
I hope the many great military bases with CSA names will not be changed ! I enjoyed your information ! Go Army retired

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Jul 9 at 2020 4:37 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 16:37:12 -0400

Being an issue of “maintaining good order and discipline” I guess the questions must be asked, has anyone who lives in the barracks complained about it or has expressed concern that it’s there? Has the owner shown any outward sign of hostility or racism to others? If the answer to one of these is a “Yes”, then the flag should be confiscated. If the answer is “No” (i.e. all is well), then let it go but file the incident away in case it ever becomes an issue in the future. Even in the barracks a certain amount of freedom of expression must be allowed for morale purposes, as long as peace among the “barracks rats” (I used to be one) is maintained.

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Jul 11 at 2020 8:45 AM

1SG Alan Boggs — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 08:45:39 -0400

As an NCO its my job to enforce regulations and standards. Any forbidden items found during a barracks inspection would be delt with in the manner prescribed by the commander. Period. I dont make regulations, i enforce them.

Response by PV2 Michael Miedzianowski made Jul 11 at 2020 9:14 PM

PV2 Michael Miedzianowski — Sat, 11 Jul 2020 21:14:13 -0400

I say if it is in the persons room and the roommate has no qualms about it let things be as long as it isn't causing a problem within the quarters .

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Jul 18 at 2020 3:56 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:56:50 -0400

You already answered your question: "AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline."
Are you the Commander?
Has the Commander ordered that certain flags will not be flown in their barracks?
Has the Commander addressed flags at all?
If the answer is no... then it's not your place to second question the Commander's Policy.
If you believe it's an issue that needs to be addressed... take it up with the Commander.
If the Commander doesn't have an issue with it... WHY DO YOU?
ESPECIALLY when we have people calling themselves U.S. Citizens who choose to disrespect THE Flag of the U.S., AND THE REPUBLIC (U.S.!) FOR WHICH IT STANDS...
Many of whom have raised their hands and SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT THAT FLAG AGAINST ALL ENEMIES????
Being in Possession of, Displaying, Wearing, or even having tattoos of a Flag of ANY Country... IS NOT AGAINST ANY LAW OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...
--> FIRST AMENDMENT >(
IF Traitorous $#@$%@#$ who prefer our Enemies over U.S. are ALLOWED to freely hate U.S. ...
THEN WE CAN HAVE ANY FLAG WE WISH DISPLAYED... AND I HOPE SOMEONE, ANYONE, DOESN'T LIKE THAT >(
--> THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...
--> NOT NAZI GERMANY, NOT THE U.S.S.R., NOT THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, NOT IMPERIAL JAPAN, AND MOST CERTAINLY NOT IMPERIAL SAUDI >(
TAKE A KNEE TO THAT FLAG... IMO... YOU BOW TO THE CROWNS OF THE WORLD...
JUST LIKE OUR CONGRESS... WHO SCREAMS THAT CHINA IS THE ENEMY, AND NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW...
--> WHILE THEY TRADE OUR NATION'S PROSPEROUS BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY... TO CHINA... THE ENEMY... BY LAW >(
--> A REBEL FLAG IN THE BARRACKS IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES...
WHEN THE CHINESE FLAG FLIES IN OUR BARRACKS... BY LAW...
--> THEN YOU THE PROTECTORS OF OUR FREEDOM HAVE SLEPT ON THE JOB...
--> FOR OUR ENEMY NOW OWNS U.S. ... BY LAW >(
BECAUSE YOU THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE DANGER... AS YOU CHOOSE TO RE-ELECT THE TRAITORS... WHOM YOU KNOW ARE GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO ALL OUR ENEMIES... BY FAKE UNCONSTITUTIONAL TREASONOUS LAW >(
WAKE THE $#@% UP!
DUTY - HONOR - COUNTRY
THAT ... MEANS ... WE THE PEOPLE... OF THE UNITED STATES... OF AMERICA...
--> NOT OUR ENEMIES WHO WEAR CROWNS AND OPPRESS THEIR PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY >(
OUR LEADERS ARE ADHERING TO CHINA, RUSSIA, JAPAN, BRITAIN, AND THE INVADERS SOUTH OF OUR BORDER... LOVING THEM OVER U.S. ... AS THE SUPREME COURT RULES THAT DACA... LEGISLATED HUMAN TRAFFICKING FOR THE PURPOSE OF SLAVERY TO THE WEALTHY... IS NOW A LEGAL FAKE LAW THAT COMPLETELY OVERRULES ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION FOUR... "THE UNITED STATES... SHALL PROTECT EACH OF U.S. .... FROM INVASION, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND INSURRECTION"!!!! ...
--> AND HE 13TH AMENDMENT THAT CLAIMS SLAVERY SHALL NEVER BE USED IN THE U.S. BY ANYONE >(
--> ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY THE SLAVES WERE FREED!!!
WE NOW HAVE LEGALIZED SLAVERY FOR THE RICH... BY LAW!!!!
WAKE THE $#@% UP!!!
STOP BEING DIVERTED BY B.S. PROPAGANDA ABOUT REBEL FLAGS... BLACK LIVES MATTER... TRUMP IS A CRIMINAL FOR DOING THE JOB COMMANDED BY THE CONSTITUTION... THAT NANCY PELOSI HAS THE RIGHT TO COMMAND THE U.S. CONGRESS, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE SUPREME COURT, AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA >(
SHE DOES ... NOT >(
SHE REPRESENTS 30,000 U.S. CITIZENS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA... AND DIRECTS THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES... AND NOTHING MORE >(
OBEY YOUR OATHS TO PROTECT THIS NATION FROM OUR ENEMIES >(
SHE IS A MEGALOMANIA PSYCHOPATH WHO BELIEVES SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO COMMAND WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...
JUST LIKE KSHAMA SAWANT, LEGAL IMMIGRANT, WHO INITIATED, INSTIGATED, AND LED AN INSURRECTION AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF HER DISTRICT, AND CITY!!!!
--> U.S. LAW (Insurrection Act of 1807) SAYS SHE LOSES HER CITIZENSHIP, AND GETS PERMANENTLY BANNED, ON PAIN OF DEATH BY HANGING FOR HER CRIME OF HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...
AND YET... SHE STILL RULES SEATTLE >(
GO AHEAD... KEEP RE-ELECTING THE DEATH OF U.S. ... WHILE YOU WHINE ABOUT A FLAG THAT OFFENDS YOU >(
--> YOU ... ARE ... FREELY ... AND LIBERALLY ... GIVING IT ALL AWAY >(
MORONS

Response by SPC Jose Davila made Jul 20 at 2020 1:37 AM

SPC Jose Davila — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 01:37:16 -0400

Although we all understand that this particular flag now represents racism and hate, we also understand that it is part of our history. Therefore, it should be proudly displayed in a museum. You can debate the issue all day and get no where. Case closed.

Response by SSG Mike Zientek made Jul 26 at 2020 1:57 PM

SSG Mike Zientek — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 13:57:57 -0400

Commander determines what is acceptable, based upon Unit climate and morale.
Short story;
1988, I was stationed in Kaiserslautern, West Germany, 66th Maint Bn, 21st SUPCOM.
I had just gone on a week long Army sponsored tour of Communist East Berlin and Democratic West Berlin. The tour changed my life, made me much more appreciative of our American way of life. While in East Berlin I purchased a small communist flag as a reminder of how good I have it. During a barracks inspection, my Det. 1SG and the BN CSM asked me why I had this flag hanging on my wall locker. I told them “It is a daily reminder of how thankful I am to be an American Soldier.” 1SG lowered and shook his head and whispered “Fuckin Zientek”. Passed the inspection with flying colors.

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Jul 26 at 2020 3:06 PM

SSG Paul Headlee — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:06:49 -0400

What's it hurt? When you remove everything that a certain group doesn't like, I think the fancy word for it is totalitarianism...

Response by CWO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 1:17 AM

CWO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 01:17:11 -0400

Know the history behind the flag before you hate it!

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Aug 1 at 2020 10:17 AM

PO1 Don Rowan — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:17:57 -0400

Nothing.....I'm not a child.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Aug 1 at 2020 1:23 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 13:23:13 -0400

Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2020 12:20 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 00:20:32 -0400

good question. I think this whole movement has gone a little too far. Sure, there are problems with our government, police, people in general. The thing is we have a very unique culture and society here in the United States that there are established channels to resolve this counter-culture. As far as the question goes, I would probably counsel the offending party and see where things went moving forward.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2020 12:45 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 12:45:27 -0400

Wrong he should put it up u do not give in to that treasonous crap called Political Correctness. Which is there just to try to take our constitutional rights away from certain people, and those that live behind political correctness then will do what ever they want and when they do real wrong they say u cannot do that its against my rights.

U do NOTHING. Its a flag that is a part of our American history. If it was the Nazi flag I would have a talk with him about why he was putting that flag up. If it was to bring back the The Third Reich or show he believed in or is a Nazi Party supporter or whitehead thats one wrong thing and it should come down if its to remember what happen because of that flag I would leave it.

The Confederate flag is American History and it does not matter if it offends its in HIS room and so he should be smart enough to only have people in that its not a problem to its his right.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2020 4:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 16:45:47 -0400

Ask the Commander what their thoughts are on it. Either they'll support them putting it away or they won't. I think doing something opposite their opinion wouldn't be the best choice. It's written right there in the AR. Personal opinions, beliefs, and the like shouldn't matter, neither should their race.

Response by SP5 John Clark made Aug 2 at 2020 5:27 PM

SP5 John Clark — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 17:27:04 -0400

Remove the flag, show it to next in line above you, follow what they reply. Do everything in writing

Response by CPO Ralph Housand made Aug 2 at 2020 9:13 PM

CPO Ralph Housand — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:13:03 -0400

you fiy your flag, i'll fly mine

Response by CPO Ralph Housand made Aug 2 at 2020 9:18 PM

CPO Ralph Housand — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:18:02 -0400

Color does not matter, southern is southern. You fly your flag, I'll fly mine. This is just what divides us. LET IT BE PEOPLE !! 23 years navy and I never had this problem. I treat people the way I want to be treated.

Response by PVT Rocky Susshine made Aug 3 at 2020 5:57 AM

PVT Rocky Susshine — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 05:57:37 -0400

So what.
. Rebels were soldiers once.I just ordered a 2 by 3 Rebel Flag.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2020 10:20 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:20:03 -0400

Not flying the confederate flag is agreeable. But trying to remove private property and rewriting our history is not agreeable.

Response by SP5 Randell Anderson made Aug 3 at 2020 12:54 PM

SP5 Randell Anderson — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 12:54:45 -0400

I think the Flag should stay, it is part of our history and as such has an importartant message to learn from, I don't think that history should be destroyed, but learned from.

Response by 1SG Timothy Lincoln made Aug 3 at 2020 4:29 PM

1SG Timothy Lincoln — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:29:17 -0400

We were told to remove all flags many years ago. None in the barracks. No rebel flag license plates! Do I agree? Nope. But I follow orders unless it's a safety or moral issue. I'm from Alabama for Gods sake! But orders are suppose to be for the good order and discipline of the unit. To me this symbol represents soldiers on the battlefield. hundreds of thousands died over this symbol. oh yea. They too followed orders. But somehow there are people making this symbol into the worse of the worst. Again. Nope. Soldiers people. Brother fighting brother on a battlefield. dying for a cause. BOTH SIDES. oh yea again. That's where soldiers do their jobs. On the battlefield. lay off the crap about what the symbol means to YOU and do some research for yourself. Lay off the folks who still see this symbol like I do. Lay off me! I've never owned a slave. Neither has my father, grandfather, great grandfather. BUT MY 7TH GENERATION GRANDFATHER INVENTED THE EMACIATION PROCLAMATION! AND SIGNED IT TOO! So lay off.
Do your job and follow orders.
Lincoln, 1SG US Army (retired)

Response by PO2 Rob Waldrop made Aug 3 at 2020 6:27 PM

PO2 Rob Waldrop — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:27:45 -0400

Ultimately in my opinion, Americans died on both sides and it was in defense of the rights the Constitution conferred at that time. While I recognize that in pursuit of good order and discipline the current command structure disagrees, no blacks were transported or sold under that flag, and to a lot of us Southerners, it represents the fight for states' rights that were being trampled on by a tyrannical administration in pursuit of it's own agenda. I'd say no to it being in the barracks, but please remember that Americans died for both flags and both sides deserve respect.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2020 6:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:34:26 -0400

Wow the new army, my enlistment was from 1978 to 1986, after which I went to the Reserves and served to retirement 2004. However, transitional thinking of today's thinking of young soldiers today is really different. But having an already defeated flag in his room? Well during inspection there should be a display SOP only to be seen! Personal property should not be seen!

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Aug 3 at 2020 6:40 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:40:15 -0400

To be honest, I believe the "perpetually offended" will always find something that offends them. Some would not be satisfied, if placed in a sterile white, undecorated world, with "cookie cutter" peole in it who all agreed with their every word. It's past time to stop allowing 1's or a few's, "offenses" to dictate what the rest of us believe, enjoy, or say. The right to do so is WHY our forefathers wrote the Declaration of Independence, fought the Revolution, and then wrote the Constitution. That flag, especially if not on prominent display, harms no one; if it gives its owner some sense of comfort or his own history, where's the harm in allowing it to remain?

Response by SFC Richard Quistorff made Aug 4 at 2020 9:20 AM

SFC Richard Quistorff — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 09:20:35 -0400

Very simple in my world - tell the person they can have the flag but since this is the US Military Barracks it cannot be posted on the walls there. I am sure they would be fine with it.

Response by SFC Bill Hag made Aug 4 at 2020 10:33 AM

SFC Bill Hag — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 10:33:13 -0400

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Aug 4 at 2020 10:55 AM

LCpl Richard Lally — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 10:55:24 -0400

Like so many people The Flag of The Confederacy is STILL a version of The American Flag. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it

Response by PO1 Doug Taylor made Aug 4 at 2020 11:10 AM

PO1 Doug Taylor — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 11:10:49 -0400

ask his fellow soldiers living close to his room if they have an issue with it? Don't make it an issue!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2020 11:15 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 11:15:24 -0400

Announcing "I'm Offended" is admitting that you cannot control your own emotions, so you want everyone else to do it for you.
Also:
How does it feel to be so weak that words (or images) harm you?

Response by PFC Stephen Marchisen made Aug 4 at 2020 9:03 PM

PFC Stephen Marchisen — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 21:03:44 -0400

Free speech. To defend it is part of our oath. What if it were an English Flag. Or Mexican. Would you think it should be removed. Last time I checked a whole bunch of Southern Americans served this Country well. Are they not allowed thier heritage also?

Response by PFC Stephen Marchisen made Aug 4 at 2020 9:31 PM

PFC Stephen Marchisen — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 21:31:14 -0400

The American Revolution was settled in a Southern State. Virginia. I am sure Some Ameran Southeners participated. That event ensured are right to form into a Nation and establish the Constitution. What part of that history should we undo?

Response by A1C Karyl Parks made Aug 4 at 2020 10:53 PM

A1C Karyl Parks — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:53:24 -0400

write up, explain the history and that the confederate flag is ANTI-GOVERNMENT

Response by LCpl Bill Wylie made Aug 5 at 2020 10:58 AM

LCpl Bill Wylie — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:58:11 -0400

See SecDef Memo dated July 16, 2020. If the flag is within an area of common view it must be taken down.

Response by SFC David S made Aug 5 at 2020 4:13 PM

SFC David S — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 16:13:48 -0400

this is a very old post, and AR 600-15 has been rescinded. Article 134 of the UCMJ is also useable in this case, but was it meant as disrespect or is it and example of a proud southerner that love their country and this is his 1st amendment right to show their patriotism? tough call...

Response by PFC Stephen Marchisen made Aug 5 at 2020 6:05 PM

PFC Stephen Marchisen — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 18:05:54 -0400

Who does the SECDEF subordinate too?

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Aug 5 at 2020 7:05 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 19:05:44 -0400

OMFG. I would play "Sweet Home Alabama " , and not worry about it.

You think think the fools who might have a problem with it, will do anything positive now? Much less ,in the next war?

Go join the real Army , and stop thinking about the BS attitudes of PC (ANTI-WHITE) douche bag racists and pc liberals .You are helping them to control everybody(including yourself) , by worrying about such crap. The people who make a point about such crap should not be in the military , as they are the ones that are are too busy worried about such crap rather than doing their actual jobs they joined for. Usually they are just making cover for themselves being lazy az-holes, who don't want to do a dam thing, for whatever reasons they make up as they go along being worthless.That is what I saw , by the end of the 1980's, I don't even want to think how thick the PC-BS is now.

"In Birmingham they love the governor,
Boo-boo-boo
Now we all did what we could do
Now watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell the Truth"

Get It?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2020 7:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 19:09:54 -0400

The Only Flag that should be displayed is the "Star's and Stripes", Just as it is worn on uniforms. There is only that US flag that is the of symbol Honor, Duty, Country.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2020 7:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 19:31:03 -0400

Per the DOD memo as of 16 July 2020, any flags other than those listed in the memo (it is a very short list) cannot be displayed on DOD property, including in the barracks.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Aug 5 at 2020 8:51 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:51:17 -0400

Follow policy and service regulations and move on.

Response by PO3 Charles Brooks made Aug 5 at 2020 10:48 PM

PO3 Charles Brooks — Wed, 05 Aug 2020 22:48:01 -0400

It’s hard to decypher all of this political bs jargon for me, but in the memorandum from the pentagon it is reportedly no longer authorized. I’m guessing the part about rejecting divisive symbols? Because it has the little tidbit about the colors never running (sure) it might be argued as an art display, but the barracks aren’t private property. The soldier should remove the flag; keep it if they want or move off post when able if that big a deal to them. Welcome to the military.

And arguing about the history of a divisive symbol is ridiculous. The swastika is a Native American symbol for good luck but I doubt anyone would be ok with it hanging up in the barracks. If it’s polarizing and reasonably likely to cause conflict or disorder in the unit, it should go, simple as that. The soldier in violation’s race is irrelevant.

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Aug 6 at 2020 2:41 AM

MSG Clyde Mills — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 02:41:36 -0400

Retired MSG. Speaking here, as pointed out by the very Commander in Chief himself he believes it’s freedom of speech to own a Rebel flag as do I. That flag represents so much History from over actions taken on and off the battle field from over 200 years ago. How can anyone just dismiss the knowledge of its history just because it mind offend someone. Lot’s of things in this world offend people, but you don’t see those things being completely taken down and done away with and hidden because someone is mad about it.
To many of these younger generation people have been crying and whining way to much and the older generations are giving in to them to shut them up. Instead of standing up to these bullies and doing the right thing and doing the correct thing and protecting our great American History or if we keep letting this young generation keep pushing us. There will be nothing left of all the sacrifices our ancestors died for to make America what it stands for in the first place.

Response by SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) made Aug 6 at 2020 10:39 AM

SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 10:39:10 -0400

So what?

Response by SFC John Jett made Aug 6 at 2020 10:46 AM

SFC John Jett — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 10:46:11 -0400

This whole Confederate flag thing and renaming Army posts is rediculous. The leadership in the Pentagon kneeled down and kissed the boot of the BLM terrorists. It's pathetic. I encourage all men of Southern heritage to leave the US Military and protest and picket recruiters in southern states.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2020 11:28 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 11:28:36 -0400

The Secretary of Defense recently published new guidance on the display of flags in DoD. Info is available at: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2278101/secretary-of-defense-dr-mark-t-esper-guidance-on-public-display-or-depiction-of/

Secretary of Defense Dr. Mark T. Esper Guidance on Public Display or Depiction of Flags in

Defense Secretary Dr. Mark T. Esper provided guidance to defense senior leaders and commanders on the public display or depiction of flags in the Department of Defense.

Response by SGT Donald Morris made Aug 6 at 2020 7:00 PM

SGT Donald Morris — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 19:00:01 -0400

well our military has banned those flags and i dont agree.... but you have to obey in the military

Response by TSgt Denise Moody made Aug 7 at 2020 12:23 AM

TSgt Denise Moody — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 00:23:32 -0400

IMO, the flag(s) of the Confederacy is the flag(s) of a defeated enemy and should not be flown anywhere. But especially not on any military base. Since it's come down that the confederate flag has been banned from military bases I would tell the soldier in question to get rid of it in x days. If it's not gone, at least a letter of reprimand. I would also have a barracks meeting to reiterate the order and that any solider found to be displaying the banned flag(s) will receive at least a letter.

It's been mentioned other flags of former enemies are displayed. Well, those countries are still in existence and are no longer enemies, they are allies. That is a big difference. The confederacy no long exists. I put that flag in the same category as the nazi flag. Both should only be displayed in a museum.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2020 11:48 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 11:48:34 -0400

I think the regulation is ambiguous and vague for the specific reason of culture;It changes over time, and the Military also must be adaptable. I could dredge on about how the confederacy is a domestic enemy of the United States and how they lost and other things, but I already made comments about that and isn't the point of the conversation here.

Others are right to point out that symbolism is weird and strange and is varies among the troops across the globe. There is symbolism in our very units. Think about all the patch designs there are, and how they portray certain things. I remember a specific Apache wing patch that was given out my unit under the 82nd after the 20070-2008 Surge. It showed Apaches flying above dead bodies with the Iraqi flag and the words "death from above". 21 year old me thought that was cool! What if an Iraqi family survived the horrors of the Iraqi campaigns and immigrated to the United States, one of their children joined the Army, and saw that patch. Would they be rightfully upset by it?

Our country is going through some trials that are testing the very nature of what it means to be American. I am a white male that had it slightly hard as a poor family, but well enough to be grateful for each day since. I do not know what it is like for others, especially minorities who have a certain grudge against confederate symbolism. It is my duty to give them the basic respect they deserve, not because I am a white male who has it easy, but because that's what it means to be an American. We are a nation of immigrants, here to establish our piece of the pie in all the freedoms afforded. And as a service member I defend that with my life. As an NCO, it is my job to understand and work with my Soldiers, as they can come from anywhere in the world, both literally and historically.

The C.S.A. was an enemy of the United States, and they lost. Their symbolism is a big deal in today's cultural development, and now they are associated with being hateful, racist, and disrespectful. The Military does not represent any of those bad traits, and it should be in the best interest that commanders do what they can to steer away from it. If someone wants to display their confederate "pride", then they should do a better job representing a good light of it, because for now, that's not what a big chunk of Americans think. Right or wrong, it is our job to defend them and their ideology as is their right defined by the constitution that we swore to uphold.

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made Aug 7 at 2020 4:57 PM

SFC Osvaldo Vazquez — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 16:57:00 -0400

Us it offensive to you?... or to who?... has anyone said anything!? If not and only found it when you did inspection, are you the one with the problem? If so how big of an issue really is?...

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Aug 7 at 2020 5:05 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 17:05:41 -0400

No action. It's time to concentrate on war fighting skills and not lunatic political correctness.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Aug 7 at 2020 5:06 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 17:06:48 -0400

No action. It's past time to concentrate on war fighting skills and not the lunatic political correctness that has gutted the Army and military as a whole.

Response by AA Franklin Akers made Aug 8 at 2020 9:24 AM

AA Franklin Akers — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 09:24:13 -0400

As a disabled Vietnam vet and one of the lucky ones that made it all in one physical piece. I was willing to DIE for my country at the age of seventeen. So I say, if, you do indeed believe that then I recommend that you make your way down to the local town auction square and pick you up nice "slave" family for your needs. Oh yeah, and on your way you might jus run into #45, however, he won't be walking cause of his "HEEL SPURS"! Now that embarrassing!

Response by PVT Charles Campbell made Aug 8 at 2020 1:39 PM

PVT Charles Campbell — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:39:34 -0400

THEY SHOULD NOT REMOVE STATUES OF THE PAST IT IS SAD TO SAY THEY DO NOT NO THERE HISTORY THAT IS WHAT MAKE TODAY A SAD DAY IN AMERICA..WE NEED TO LEARN FROM IT AND GROW FORWARD

Response by Maj Walter Kilar made Aug 8 at 2020 4:33 PM

Maj Walter Kilar — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 16:33:58 -0400

It is interesting to go back and look at the responses based on timeline. Before recent events the opinions here split maybe 50/50, possibly 60/40 in favor of not taking down the rebel flag found in barracks inspection. Now it appears to have swung maybe 70/30 in favor of taking down the flag. Maybe the question should be, "Pretend no DoD guidance existed governing the display of the 'rebel flag'. What action would you take?" My guess is that the answers would be a bit closer to 50/50. The way this question was worded in 2014 has taken on an entirely new, contextual meaning given recent events in March through August 2020. (I sure hope I do not have to back and read this post again a few years from now, so I will cap it at August 2020.)

Getting my time machine and responding to the original question posed by SFC Seth King in March 2014, my response would be to do nothing. In 2014 we as Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines were afforded limited expression of First Amendment rights in the barracks, to include "rebel flags".

Going back to the future in my DeLorean and stopping in 2020 for some insane reason, my answer would be, "For heaven's sake, get rid of that thing! Even if I support your First Amendment rights, Uncle Sam is curtailing that right to some degree and it is not worth drawing attention to yourself. However, if this is a hill you want to die on, I will support you when we have to go see the CC over this matter. Be prepared to fix bayonets on this hill."

Response by PO3 Brad Phillips made Aug 9 at 2020 6:38 AM

PO3 Brad Phillips — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 06:38:10 -0400

If take all that may give a soldier pride of their heritage. Reminders of where their family came from and the pride of that family. Then you remove the foundation of pride that they have as a soldier. Yes we work as one, like a well oiled machine. But if 1 bearing gets chipped. It can ruin the efficiency of the machine. Pride should never be broken. Reformed, made stronger, yes. But never broken.

Response by SGT George Stephens made Aug 9 at 2020 4:46 PM

SGT George Stephens — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 16:46:20 -0400

With many bases now cracking down on it and saying that the Confederate Battle Flag is banned from the installations, I'd approached this with an educational response and at least have a conversation about it. Then politely suggest they take it down because of the policy on post.

Now, if you don't have a policy stating that it isn't allowed then okay, still have an educational discussion about it just so the soldier knows you see it and that you at least want them to know the background of the stars and bars. This said, if it was a Nazi flag or ISIS/ISIL then I'd raise a red flag and see what's up.

Morally, just see it, educate the person about the history, and charlie Mike. There's bigger things to worry about and inanimate objects are just that. Objects and someone that's offended has two choices, get pissed off and fight or they can have a civilized discussion like human beings. Which let's face it, in today's society, won't happen.

Response by PO2 Matthew Stacy made Aug 9 at 2020 8:57 PM

PO2 Matthew Stacy — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 20:57:15 -0400

I realize this is a very old question, but I'm if the same question where to asked today som answers may have changed. I'm not a hundred percent sure on this but I think there might be orders from as high as secdef, or at least the joint chiefs to not fly anything like that.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Aug 9 at 2020 9:26 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:26:44 -0400

Nothing! Just because they have a flag from our past. For all you know the flag was there great grandfather’s and flew over there house.

Response by Sgt John Lauer made Aug 11 at 2020 10:21 AM

Sgt John Lauer — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:21:15 -0400

Having grown up in the North, I never heard any talk of the Civil War unless it was in a US History class. When I went down south for boot camp, that's all the southerners talked about. Apparently they did not get the part that the southern states attacked the Government of the US and started a war to allow slavery to continue. That's treason in any country. The Confederate flag is a symbol of that treason and should not be revered.

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Aug 12 at 2020 4:11 PM

PO3 David Mabo — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:11:59 -0400

Well, the SecDef has set policy
Defense Secretary Esper effectively bans Confederate flag from US military bases
Esper's guidance authorizes the displays of the American flag, state and territories flags, the POW-MIA flag, the flags of other countries, unit flags, senior leader flags, unit flags, and flags flown for protocol purposes.

The Navy and USMC have banned the flog.

https://news.usni.org/2020/07/17/secdef-esper-memo-on-displaying-flags-on-u-s-bases

SECDEF Esper Memo on Displaying Flags on U.S. Bases - USNI News

The following is the July 17, 2020 memo from Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, Public Display or Depiction of Flags in the Department of Defense. SUBJECT: Public Display or Depiction of Flags in the Department of Defense The mission of the Department of Defense is to provide a combat-ready military force to deter conflict, and, …

Response by CPL Richard Runion made Aug 14 at 2020 9:41 AM

CPL Richard Runion — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 09:41:41 -0400

I would have them fly it High and Proud !!!!! Heritage not Hate !!!!!

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 16 at 2020 12:29 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:29:59 -0400

Not even a white SM, leave em alone. History doesn't dictate Karen's of the world

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Sep 3 at 2020 12:43 AM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 00:43:38 -0400

I remember Telling My CO, that it wont be LONG BEFORE THE LEFT STARTS COMPLAINING THE AMERICAN FLAG IS BIGOTED AND RACIST . WHY she ASKED? I said THE AMERICAN FLAG FLEW OVER SLAVERY LONG BEFORE THE REBAL FLAG EVERY FLEW OVER SLAVERY.
yes the American FLAG FOUGHT TO FREE THE SLAVES, but that will not matter to those who wish to destroy America.
Once you are Satisfyed it not a racist issue, not a Southern STATE Flag, I would JUST Tell the IndIVIDUAL that due to the POLITICAL Climate he must remove the Flag. that some will find it OFFENSIVE.

he does not have to like it, but if he wants to advance and move up in the ,Millatry he have to adjust, just like many of us had to do. He will have to learn to pick what hill he wants to die on. i.e.: what battles are worth fighting and what are worth just walking away from.

i myself do not think putting my military career on the line for a southern Democratic flag is worth it. especially for a Southern Democratic Flag.
many American citizens do not relize that it was the Democratic states that Succeeded from the Union that fought against the united states of america, in order to keep slavery. the south loves to say it was about states rights, yes it was it was about the right of the southern states to keep Slavery!
it is truly sad that nothing has changed for the democratic Party. they are trying to destroy america today.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2020 9:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 21:58:01 -0400

Obviously, there is a political bias here. Has the soldier done anything wrong? It is as simple as that.

Response by MSgt Karl Mayfield made Sep 4 at 2020 8:51 AM

MSgt Karl Mayfield — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:51:04 -0400

Last time I checked the barracks is where are younger troops are required to live, its their home, you would not go into a NCO home off base and ask this question. You tell the troops to trust you then you go in their home and they get in trouble, not because its dirty but because of a political, religious or other world view you don't agree with. These people come from the outside world we don't grow them in a lab, we need them to work together in the field, not debate cancel cultural or the newest fad. I'm a war vet, I didn't care what flag hung on the wall in their room or religion, or any other issue when we were fighting together, people are leaving and suicide levels are up because people don't trust you.

Response by MSgt William Broussard made Sep 4 at 2020 3:08 PM

MSgt William Broussard — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 15:08:47 -0400

I would suggest as the SFC, if you are responsible for barracks inspections and the reg states that it is up to the CC to determine which flags/objects are acceptable, then it would be a smart move to find out what the CCs policy is and go from there.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2020 5:41 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 17:41:08 -0400

I would do absolutely nothing, the Confederate or "Rebel" flag is an American icon and was flown by Americans and is still flown in one form or another on many southern state capitals.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2020 9:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:22:56 -0400

It's the flag of a long dead, hostile foreign country. Full stop.

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Sep 4 at 2020 10:20 PM

MSG Brenda Neal — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 22:20:26 -0400

I've heard the war was more over state rights than slavery if that is being implied. If the other side also had slaves so an underlying issue seems more the cause. I'm no history expert but I'm a descendant of the Irish who were treated brutally and my Hungarian relatives were overrun by Nazis who took over their farm house, burning the furniture for firewood. We all have a story and a past, something we can't erase. Pride and revenge doesn't go hand in hand. I'm proud of what my family overcome or attempted to achieve at their point in history. People need to take stock in being better at what we do now and learning from the past, not trying to condemn someone elses history.

Response by CSM William Payne made Sep 4 at 2020 10:40 PM

CSM William Payne — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 22:40:18 -0400

We, you and I, do not get a say in what does or doesn’t offend other people, specifically our military comrades. That is determined by the perceiver, not the sender. An off color joke may be funny to 99 Soldiers, then there’s that one . . . . It’s all it takes.

Given the official guidance handed down by the Secretary of Defense, I would say it is well within the commander’s discretion to determine whether to allow the flag to remain. Regardless if it’s within a Soldier’s private billeting area or not.

Another poster commented on someone of Japanese descent having a Japanese Flag. National Flags of our allies are permitted. You cannot fly a Nazi Flag, but you can fly the current flag of the German Republic, our ally.

Commander’s are responsible for Good Order and Discipline within their units and have the authority to enforce whatever standards within the policy to achieve it. Given today’s climate, If the commander chose to ban the flag, in my opinion, I cannot perceive of any valid recourse the Soldier would have to file a complaint on this issue. The commander can just say they only allow flags approved by the SECDEF.

I say this as a proud southerner. Back in the day, the Confederate Battle Flag was a symbol of that Southern Pride. Unfortunately it has been co-opted by undesirable individuals and / or groups with whose association has redefined it forever.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2020 11:28 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:28:15 -0400

It is all a matter of context: was the flag prominently displayed as in an offensive manner? what is the character of the Soldier? How professional is he/she?
You should always look at the "whole person" concept. Also, remember that 'pamphlet' named the US Constitution: four pages of parchment; an additional 17 printed pages to the basic Constitution and another 17 pages of amendments. Somewhere in that little 'novel' there is a note about "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." In other words, the military is an arm of the government, a Soldier is a US citizen, and as such, the Soldier has a right to any opinion, no matter what it is, as long as it does not impair, affect, disturb or impact another Soldier. As a leader, you go and figure out that fine line.

Response by Capt Michael Tomasic made Sep 5 at 2020 7:48 PM

Capt Michael Tomasic — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 19:48:24 -0400

The Declaration of Independence doesn't qualify "All men are created equal" adding that it applies only to those that are white. Nonetheless, our heritage includes the taking of lands and waterways from Native Americans. It also includes the capture, buying and selling of other human beings, effectively including not only Africans but Asians as well. What is consistent throughout the past 500 years is the Roman Catholic Church, in particular, seeking to convert these populations to Christianity, in the New World as well as Africa and Asia by the French and the Spanish. The Spanish colonized North and South America with the French primarily in Canada and the Northwest of North America. Those seeking to avoid the imposition of the Church of England settled most of the initial 13 colonies, and they were not seeking to convert to the Church of England, but to escape it to establish their own mostly Protestant practices of religion, primarily in all but Maryland, which opened to Catholicism. The introduction of the tobacco, sugar and cotton crops in the South gave rise to a different form of farming from the traditional English crops grown in the North, such as grain, and subsequent maize or corn. The smaller fruit and vegetable Northern crops were grown on smaller farms than the much larger Southern crops that were not only grown on larger farms, but also in larger state land masses than existed in New England. Accordingly, the greater land masses required greater numbers of labor, hence the use of chattel rather than persons, that is "slaves", humans who were literally owned by other humans. Two hundred years later, by the mid 1800s, the economy in the South was so tied to slavery, that the white population could not survive in the same manner without the outright, continuing ownership of human beings as if they were pieces of machinery to keep well maintained and disposed of when the parts no longer worked well. Beginning 50 years before the Civil War, the Irish and other Roman Catholics from Europe began to immigrate, primarily to the North. In part, because of the central power of the papacy, the Catholic religion provided a more universal attitude toward slavery which came to be universally condemned within the religion which sought to convert African and Asian nations, and could hardly profess to claim Jesus Christ loved all equally, yet made one race the ruler of all others. So, the rise of abolition began to increase in the North while remaining the economic basis for the South. When the North refused to balance the admission of additional states as free states with a commensurate addition of a slave state, the Southern states sought to leave the Union. The North refused, the South "rebelled". Many whose family began in the South consider the "Civil War" to be the "War between the States". If Grant had not defeated Lee, the latter would most certainly have been correct, but Lee lost and the original compact, our Constitution prevailed to unite all States under it. The symbols of that defeated rebellion are inimical, they are contrary to the lives lost seeking to preserve that document, that Union. Not quite a hundred years later in Europe, Hitler came to power in Germany. He too asserted white supremacy and of course claimed that the Jews were the lesser human beings than his Arian race. Like Lee, Hitler was defeated but not before millions of Jews and other lesser human beings were slaughtered and their bodies burned or piled into mass graves. Today, the neo-Nazis are on the rise in Germany, other parts of Europe and also in the United States. Would it be appropriate for the swastika and Iron Cross emblems of Hitler's tyranny to be accepted along with his philosophy of the superiority of the Arian race? I think not. That is why our nation defeated Germany. Likewise, it is why the United States of America defeated the slave owning states from seceding, a moral and ethical decision that All men are created equal. Accordingly, it is an affront to our nation to honor the "rebel" generals and politicians whose opposed our nation and inflicted such a tremendous loss of human life for the "States Rights" to maintain slavery, the outright ownership of a living soul, a living person, a mortal made in the image of God which we have declared in our founding purpose to have been contrary to God's will. The flag of the Confederacy, the statues commemorating Souther generals and battles, the military installations celebrating rebels are not merely as President Trump would state, Losers, they are a reminder of a period in our history in which men and women, many in ignorance, and many of good will and intent, failed to understand, accept and honor the belief that in this country, All Men Are Created Equal, and if one cannot accept that conclusion, they are not worthy of participation in our democracy and the protections that it offers as our oath requires. MICHAEL S. TOMASIC, ESQ., Captain, USAF, retired SEA combat vet.

Response by SGT Arthur Cranston made Sep 5 at 2020 8:18 PM

SGT Arthur Cranston — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 20:18:11 -0400

I think ar 15 because of the order on flags

Response by SGT Arthur Cranston made Sep 5 at 2020 8:19 PM

SGT Arthur Cranston — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 20:19:15 -0400

should be given an ar 15 for not fallow orders . but I do fill for him

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Sep 6 at 2020 12:16 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 12:16:50 -0400

A lot of people find the confederate flag offensive, me included. But, this is a soldiers room, his home. He should be allowed to display whatever he wants. The soldier has first amendment rights. My suggestion is that you educate this soldier on the flag’s historical and current ties to hate groups and how it affects others when they see it. The decision to take it down should be his. In the mean time, you need to consider whether or not this soldier can treat all of his fellow soldiers fairly w/ dignity and respect. If not you need to counsel him and take that into consideration when he becomes eligible for promotion.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Sep 6 at 2020 12:32 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 12:32:20 -0400

A lot of people find the confederate flag offensive. But this is a soldier’s room, his home. He should be allowed to display whatever he wants. The soldier still has first amendment rights. My suggestion is that the soldier be counseled on the flag’s current and historical ties to hate groups. The decision to take the flag down should be the soldier’s.

In the meantime you need to to determine whether or not this soldiers can treat all of his fellow soldiers fairly w/ dignity and respect. If he cannot you need to counsel him and take that into consideration when the soldier becomes eligible for promotion.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2020 1:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 13:38:39 -0400

This is a policy issue. If the Commandwr says they don't want them in there, and the soldier has it anyway, its a violation. If there is no such policy, well then soldier Is good. This can barracks or post or unit policy.

Response by SSG William Zopff III made Sep 6 at 2020 2:42 PM

SSG William Zopff III — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 14:42:01 -0400

When we volunteer for military service, we also voluntary forgo/wave most of our rights and protections as citizens, adopting the rights and privileges of a soldier/sailor/marine/airman. If a regulation exists and/or is created to maintain good order and discipline, we are bound to follow those orders and regulations. Tattoos are a private embellishment, for what ever reason. While flags and posters are a public display, even in our own rooms. A service member that violates orders and regulations can expect to reap the consequences.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2020 2:44 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 14:44:16 -0400

Would you take action if it was a gay pride flag or Blm? I suspect not, so you shouldn’t single this one out. Flags can’t be anything

Response by SSgt Michaelle Lancaster made Sep 6 at 2020 10:24 PM

SSgt Michaelle Lancaster — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 22:24:15 -0400

You should crack open s history book. Treason is relevant even today. You should be ashamed

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Sep 7 at 2020 1:19 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 01:19:58 -0400

Unfortunately, ever since President Clinton started Social Experimentation with the military, and further carried out at a much greater level by President Obama, anybody who is offended by anything can stir an issue of sensitivity. Military commanders generally set forth policies and regulations for what is considered offensive behavior, and displays which should also stipulate the level of punishment. From what I have heard, the Pentagon, and the DEFSEC instituted a ban on Confederate flag display on all military bases and vessels. I would imagine that your action to the violation during inspection should be addressed at that level at that time. If I was still in that position, I would advise SM to remove it from display immediately and tell them the possible repercussions that may follow.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Sep 7 at 2020 4:20 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:20:08 -0400

The Confederate Battle Flag was never to be used again as a symbol of goverments or to rally around according to surrender terms Lee signed. It is the flag of traitors and losers, plain and simple. Why would anyone in US Military show or support the flag of traitors and losers? Its offensive on so many levels, and has nothing to do with being proud of your heritage. So Russian Immigrants should fly Soviet Flag? Same for Chinese??

Response by FN Mushroom Montoya made Sep 8 at 2020 1:08 AM

FN Mushroom Montoya — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:08:56 -0400

If a soldier of German descent had a WWII Nazi flag displaying the swastika, claiming that his grandfather fought proudly for German, would that be acceptable? I think not. Remember, the Confederacy was an enemy of the United States. The Southern states went to war against the US in order to keep slavery. The issue is not a state flag, the issue is a flag of an enemy of the US.

Response by SGT Quentin Moore made Sep 10 at 2020 1:31 PM

SGT Quentin Moore — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:31:32 -0400

If there is no standing order that says you can not have it then no problem if there is then it must com down

Response by PO3 Elizabeth Campbell made Sep 11 at 2020 11:59 AM

PO3 Elizabeth Campbell — Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:59:33 -0400

While I may not believe it should not be restricted, one may suffer the consequences of having a flag that does not stand for America first.

As for the Confederate flag, I'm from the south, that flag does NOT stand for me. It stands for slave owning, democrats plantation owners that rebelled against America. The first REBEL was Satan. That's the flag used when they went into battle. That flag does NOT represent honor and respect. It represents southern democrat slave owners who wished to continue abusing other God created humans, for their own pleasure.
That's the real history.

Response by Col Robert Wallace made Sep 13 at 2020 6:34 PM

Col Robert Wallace — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:34:44 -0400

Just what is a "Rebel Flag"? I don't know of any country claiming such a flag. Unfortunately, ignorance about the US History runs wild because people do not read. What people call the "Rebel flag" is, in actuality, the Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America, much as the Union Flag of the Northern States is called the "Stars And Stripes"; "Old Glory" and now our "National Flag" It was not until the Democratic Party began the KKK to control people by fear and adopted the CSA Battle Flag as representation of their movement against the "Rebels" who defied them. Hence, the symbol of the proud history of the CSA has been forever misaligned by those seeking power over the people and is now regarded as a "hate symbol". This hate has now manifested itself against our National Flag by groups in our country who want to change the way we live to the same as in their country, yet they left it for a better life in the USA but continue to desecrate our flag. What has ever happened to "common sense", patriotism and just plain factual knowledge?

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Sep 21 at 2020 9:46 AM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:46:54 -0400

Best for everyone to start boning up on their history from different sources.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Oct 20 at 2020 3:23 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:23:54 -0400

I would take none and don't see any reason to. This PC crap has gotten way out of hand.

Response by Cpl Markus Wolff made Oct 24 at 2020 3:03 PM

Cpl Markus Wolff — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:03:07 -0400

I wonder when people are going to start bad mouthing WWII vets for demonstrating with Nazi flags. This whole country has gone ridiculously nuts over the confederate flag. In my best Marine vocabulary "Fuck Them"! I wish the country could grow up & move forward.

Response by PO3 Theresa Dixon made Oct 24 at 2020 3:08 PM

PO3 Theresa Dixon — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:08:51 -0400

The Virginia battle flag is NOT A HERITIGE. CHRIST ALMIGHTY. DO NOT ALLOW IT IN THE BARRACKS. Disgusting.

HERITIGE is a puerto rican flag, an Irish flag, Native American ceremonial or cultural items, african flags or cultural items. Not the battle flag of a state that declared war against the USA.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2020 2:14 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 14:14:03 -0500

As a former Commander, I'd have it taken down. I'm from NY but spent the last 45+ years in SC. I understand the historical reference and hate that it has been turned to a "hate speech" issue, but the mainstream media has portrayed it as such and so it therefore is, like every other falsehood they push on the followers. Oddly enough, a friend of mine when I was an E in the barracks live in the Puerto Rican part of the Bronx NY. He had a PR flag on his wall and the Shirt made him take it down. Yo. Shirt. It is a US Territory!

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Nov 7 at 2020 6:45 AM

SFC Zohn Tennyson — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 06:45:05 -0500

Leave them the hell alone.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2020 10:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 10:25:14 -0500

You have to look at the policies. AR and EO gives references, but all in all, if offends other soldiers it has to come down along with the other flags. I understand where you are coming from.

Response by MAJ David Wilson made Nov 7 at 2020 10:56 AM

MAJ David Wilson — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 10:56:15 -0500

Immediately have a counseling session (with the 1GST present) and explain good order and discipline within the the Unit. Explain we serve in the US Military and support all Americans. We do/say nothing that would be taken offensive to any Race, Creed, Color or Political Party. Develop a conversation with the Soldier (to gain his/her understanding of the issue. Explain that they can come and disduss these issues with myself and the 1SGT any time. Listen to the Soldier.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2020 6:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 18:25:37 -0500

No, those colors surrender!
Haha!
Also...that was not a flag during the War of Northern Aggression (lol)

Response by SSgt Ryan Sylvester made Nov 7 at 2020 10:43 PM

SSgt Ryan Sylvester — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 22:43:49 -0500

I have... incredibly strong feelings about flying these particular standards that have very little to do with the slavery/racism issue. I will politely decline to state that opinion because the conversations that would follow would very likely breach any sense of decorum. Suffice to say, it is just my opinion, and not instituted in law. The fact is, there are no laws that prevent anyone from displaying or flying those standards. As long as there is no prohibition in local regulations, which I don't think this would qualify as a contraband item, it would be their right to display it.

Response by CPO John Moore made Nov 8 at 2020 1:37 AM

CPO John Moore — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 01:37:18 -0500

While you are at it why not pull the Stars and Stripes down as a hate flag. (take a good long hard look at what has happened in this country as it grew into what it is today) (that not a very pretty picture). The flag of the CSA is part of the history of this country that will never change. (the battle flag was not a flag of the CSA government it was a battle flag).

Response by SGT Edwards Donny made Nov 8 at 2020 2:23 AM

SGT Edwards Donny — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 02:23:02 -0500

Victors do write the history but the Confederate Congress wrote this; “art 1 sec9 p4: no bill or ex post facto law or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.” The writers of that document deliberately added that section to explicitly protect slavery.

Art 4 sec 3-3; “the confederate states may acquire new territory...in all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists...shall be recognized and protected by congress... and the inhabitants ...shall have the right to take into such territory any slaves in any of the states or territories of the confederate states...” the people who wrote this constitution believed it was ok to own other human beings, and fought a war to protect that right. That’s not any heritage I want to be associated with

Response by SMSgt Robin Wright made Nov 8 at 2020 12:56 PM

SMSgt Robin Wright — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 12:56:28 -0500

His room is his home. I would take no action. Common sense does not dictate "this shouldn't be there." I don't care what the AR says, this flag has not disrupted you "good order and discipline." It obviously bothers you, so maybe you should do some self-reflection and figure out why. Read the history of the flag and focus on the patriotism in "these colors don't run." You obviously have a patriotic soldier here, who is reminding himself of what's important to him in his own "home."

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2020 6:48 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 18:48:44 -0500

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/07/17/confederate-flag-effectively-banned-from-military-installations/

Confederate flag effectively banned from military installations

Defense Secretary Mark Esper's guidance lays out which flags can be flown in public, and the criteria don't support the Confederate battle flag.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Nov 8 at 2020 9:00 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:00:47 -0500

No action should be taken.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Nov 9 at 2020 2:46 PM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:46:33 -0500

Soon our National Flag will be replaced by the hammer cycle emblem. So if a soldier is going to have our Flag what will the commander do since our armed forces will have to defend socialism and communism now.

Response by Cpl James Graves made Nov 9 at 2020 6:20 PM

Cpl James Graves — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 18:20:46 -0500

I'm glad I was in the Marine Corps a long time ago, 1967-70. I don't recall any of this sort of nonsense. I also don't recall anyone having anything that was contraband (except in boot camp). My thinking is that if no one has a real problem with it then let's find something more important to do. I guess in my day it might have been someone wearing a shirt that had SDS in large bold letters. That would have been Students for a Democratic Society not safety data sheet for some of you. That would certainly have been not allowed. But so far as the rebel flag goes, I would just move on. Probably wrong by today's standards but not in the 1960's.

Response by SPC Rob Hunker made Nov 10 at 2020 12:56 AM

SPC Rob Hunker — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 00:56:45 -0500

Someone will always find something offensive. If you don't like what you see, go somewhere else where you won't be offended. When we were on field ops, we would pick on one person until they were ready to fight, then we would pick on someone else. We had a saying, " F-you if you can't take a joke". We did not take things personally back then, but we had a lot of fun. Good Times!

Response by MSgt Jeffrey Forer made Nov 10 at 2020 4:58 AM

MSgt Jeffrey Forer — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 04:58:41 -0500

It should def. be reported as hate speech at the very least

Response by MSgt William Harper made Nov 10 at 2020 7:59 AM

MSgt William Harper — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:59:10 -0500

I would suggest finding out where the flag was purchased and share the information with the Unit’s members.

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Nov 10 at 2020 2:45 PM

SGT Timothy Posemato — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:45:19 -0500

When I made Sgt, I was the Jr. Squad leader, so, I got assigned "problem" guys, from retraining brigade, Leavenworth, local stockade. They were considered rebels. So, we all got rebel flags tattooed on our arms, these guys only worked for me, they refused to answer to any other squad leader unless the others spoke to me first. We were the best 81mm crew in 3rd corps. That was 1979. Of course the flag didn't "offend" anyone back then. I wish people would study the history of the flag.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Nov 10 at 2020 7:28 PM

SFC Terry Bryant — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:28:24 -0500

The only thing that makes the rebel flag a racist symbol are the people who say it is. The only people who say the rebel flag are the people who are told so by their hate filled leaders. The world IS full of hate and discontent. Most times it is perpetrated by the intolerant and the ignorant. Those two adjectives are not mutually exclusive either.

Response by LTC Anthony Broussard made Nov 10 at 2020 10:40 PM

LTC Anthony Broussard — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:40:36 -0500

I would have told the soldier “some” find it offensive. So, keep it inside his locker out of “public” sight.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2020 7:40 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:40:50 -0500

In these highly triggered times.it is a flag
If the roommate is ok with it.Then let it be.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2020 9:44 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:44:18 -0500

The first few educated comments are written with common sense. It disappoints me when I see a 'dislike' as it reminds me that this # is a tiny % of how many ignorant/dumb people there are.

Response by A1C Cheryl Post made Nov 11 at 2020 1:44 PM

A1C Cheryl Post — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 13:44:44 -0500

The REBEL FLAG is part of our history. White people have to remove our history yet black history gets to keep the street names, black history month, and statues. Why would you discriminate against the REBEL FLAG? Let it be and move on to the next room. It is in his private quarters.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Nov 11 at 2020 4:13 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:13:04 -0500

None. You still have a right to the 1st Amendment. As long as it is not being outright displayed or used while in Uniform, there is NOTHING wrong with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2020 4:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:22:50 -0500

Its characterized as offensive content. At some installations you have them in your car either. I would educate the Soldier of the fallacy of "these colors don't run", talk to the room mate, and let the commander decide. I'm from the South too and used to fly those colors loud and proud. Once I went to the EO course and further educated myself I saw things differently. "These colors don't run"? Yes they do, in fact, they surrendered. Last ag the CSA flew was the white ag of surrender.

Response by PO3 Lemuel Yates made Nov 12 at 2020 8:30 PM

PO3 Lemuel Yates — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 20:30:15 -0500

I see people throwing out the Puerto Rican and Mexican flag as ways to bolster the argument for the rebel flag. That's a fallacious argument at best. Those are flags of ethnic groups. Feel free to have an Irish, Scottish, British, etc... flag to celebrate your ethnic heritage. The rebel flag is none of that, and it shouldn't be an argument. You chose to serve in the US military then you shouldn't have flags of traitors to America. I won't mince words because that's what they were. You being proud of it is your personal ideology that nobody can control, but it has no place in the United States Armed Forces. Leave it back home because all that should be brought with you to this US military is that representative of United States of America.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2020 8:39 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:39:23 -0500

If it isn’t on “public” display but within the room who cares. Why even bother with it. At what point do we as a force stop pandering to people’s feelings about objects and teach our replacements to stop being so offended by everything? Sticks and stones right? Point is if he isn’t saying or acting out anything not in keeping with conduct of a soldier then who gives a damn.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Nov 15 at 2020 7:52 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 19:52:38 -0500

If you display a "rebel" flag in your room, you're inviolation of both DOD and base directives. Yes, it symbolizes your southern heritage, and it's part of your culture, but it also symbolizes a period of great divide of the US as a whole.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Nov 16 at 2020 12:07 AM

LCpl Sidney Green — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 00:07:11 -0500

None. What's in the barracks stays in the barracks and its no one else's 0concerne. As long as the item didn't cause a major disruption, I would ignore it completely.

As to the second point of "offensive to some may not be to others." That logic will only take you so far, as nothing would be considered offensive. Instead, I use the reasonable majority. If have of a reasonably objective group would find it objectionable, then I'd consider it objectionable.

Response by SFC Joe Walsh made Nov 16 at 2020 8:05 AM

SFC Joe Walsh — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:05:29 -0500

I would treat it the same as a black lives matter flag. I would order it to be removed. Regardless of the intent, it will cause discord and will affect unit cohesiveness.

Response by PV2 Joseph Prudhomme made Nov 18 at 2020 10:26 PM

PV2 Joseph Prudhomme — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 22:26:14 -0500

It is freedom of speech that constitutionally, cannot be subdued. Would you ask the same question if it was a white soldier? Or assume something different???

Response by SSG Ruben Maldonado made Dec 4 at 2020 7:21 AM

SSG Ruben Maldonado — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 07:21:37 -0500

Southern Heritage should be respected. However , when the flag is represented by hate groups , ie: the Klan, or supremacists, it raises eyebrows.

Response by SGT Todd Miller made Dec 8 at 2020 6:22 PM

SGT Todd Miller — Tue, 08 Dec 2020 18:22:09 -0500

When I was in, I lived in the barracks for several years. Nobody had a flag on the wall. We were lucky to have a picture of family or maybe a small piece of artwork on the wall. Nothing offensive like pornography, etc. The sergeants would just take it and you would never see it again. Nobody ever questioned their authority. Those who did suffered. Discipline and order are very important. It's so ingrained that it makes it tough when you're back on the block. No order, no chain of command, no discipline, how do we fight other countries economically with a shoddy management structure? I still work like I'm fighting.

Response by SFC Daniel Perez made Dec 15 at 2020 7:36 AM

SFC Daniel Perez — Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:36:41 -0500

Wow. There is a lot of confusion going on here.

AR 840-10 chapter 1-8

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2020 10:33 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:33:12 -0500

I saw a few people mention atrocities that occurred under our national flag. Therein lies the issue. It's our flag, everyone that was born or naturalized an American citizen. It's not all peaches and cream but we take the good and bad together...because its ours. The rebel flag is not ours nor do I know of any other flag we have defeated in war that people fight to identify with.

People who assert that the rebel flag is a part of our history and I need to pick up a book could stand to follow their own advice. That flag is a much a part of my history as an American Soldier as the Nazi flag, the flag of the Vietcong, the flag of ISIS and ISIL, and that of the Taliban. They were all enemies that shed, and continue to shed, the blood of brothers and sisters who fight on behalf our national flag. Some of you will say but Americans died under the rebel flag in defense of their states...cute. My oath says I will support the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. They were enemies. Slice it up however you want to. We've had all kinds of traitors the last two decades and I've heard no one say yeah they helped our enemies kill us but they are still Americans. The fact that flag is called the rebel flag is enough. Who were they rebels against? Old Glory that still stands...we don't want to see the banner of treason in public. Keep it at home and celebrate it as much as you want. Our flag beat your flag. That's the history.

Response by PO2 John Harker made Dec 21 at 2020 11:56 AM

PO2 John Harker — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:56:51 -0500

None so long as it wasn't causing issues. If it was, I'd put a stop to the issues themselves, maybe by moving the personnel away from one another or directing the owner to put the flag away.
In a typical two or three person to a room barracks, though, it should not be an issue at all.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2020 3:37 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:37:35 -0500

He wasn’t flying the battle flag of Northern Virginia from the barracks flag pole. I would ignore it and move to the next room u less you want to sanitize and remove all sense of individuality from their personal living space. If you take one flag you will have to take them all. Unless you think he actually is a white supremacist and that is one clue in a long line of others? That would mandate further action.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2020 10:06 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:06:41 -0500

The confederacy belongs on the ash heap of history. Its constitution explicitly defends in perpetuity the right to own black people as property.

Every single US citizen who supported the Confederate cause was a traitorous loser who fought for the right to own human other human beings and nothing more.

Those who survived passed down a romanticized narrative which attempts to obfuscate and sanitize a legacy of treachery, racism, and slavery.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2020 11:36 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 11:36:27 -0500

If someone can burn the American Flag and call it freedom of speech that we then protect, then why should we then censor any other flag?

Response by SFC Steven Barry made Dec 22 at 2020 11:02 PM

SFC Steven Barry — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:02:11 -0500

No action whatsoever. Grow up.

Response by Sgt Edward Padget made Dec 23 at 2020 6:57 AM

Sgt Edward Padget — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 06:57:12 -0500

In the 80's and 90's there flags from all over. I personally had a Rebel flag with a picture of Hank Williams Jr. on it. No one ever said if it was offensive to them or not. I remember seeing sports team flags, state flags, musical artist flags everyone had a flag to fly! Black airmen during this time period were part of a "Mother Africa" movement that was going all around the world so it wasn't uncommon to see a flag with a silhouette of the continent of Africa on it. I never gave it much thought to be honest and I don't think they did either, honestly everyone was just trying to find their place in the world. Even if it did offend someone or myself it was understood by all of us that it was right to have freedom of expression so we all respected each other's ideas whether we agreed or not.
Fast forward nearly 30 years and times have changed. The military I experienced doesn't exist anymore whether I agree or not. I think congress recently passed some sort legislation in respect to what flags can be displayed in government owned dormitories and the like. I'd refer to that and enforce whatever the ruling states. In respect to flags that are altered I'd probably act on the side of caution. To me, anything I could identify as a flag that was against regulations would have to fall under the ruling. Just because you take a flag and add something to it doesn't make it okay.
SPC Smith brought up the point of saying people should educate themselves and crack open a book. I believe unfortunately we are past that. Current education, community belief, urban legend have solidly put the Confederate Battle Flag in the racist category for all of eternity because the majority of those people feel like the confederate states were fighting for the sole purpose of keeping slavery alive. Changing those minds would be akin to getting people to believe that the Nazi flag was once of symbol of peace, hope and prosperity and should be viewed as such.
So while I may disagree with the governments stance on flags, I'd say the smart money is on doing whatever the current regulation states in regards to flag. If service men and women are willing to sacrifice a part of their right of Freedom of Expression in order to feel safe or equal or whatever then this is the price.

Response by SGT Garry Barnett made Dec 23 at 2020 9:18 AM

SGT Garry Barnett — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:18:29 -0500

My observation would be this:

Whether it is a violation depends on unit climate. If it causes a disruption or divide in the unit/squad/section (as the case may be), it would be. If the only ones who know it's even there are those who are routinely in the room, and they have no major issue with it: no violation.

Just my two cents.

Response by Sgt Randall Dunkley made Dec 24 at 2020 1:53 PM

Sgt Randall Dunkley — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 13:53:09 -0500

I would ask the individual "Why is that flag defaced?" Some others may have a problem that the flag you have has been vandalized. There are a few "Confederate Flags" and the usual one we see is actually a Naval Ensign. If one hung up a "Bonny Blue" i'm sure it would go unnoticed by most. Besides it is private property and in a soldiers own quarters it is to his or hers satisfaction until a formal inspection is scheduled. It's all John Wilkes Booth's fault. It was Vice President Johnson (D) who junked Lincoln's plans for a peaceful reconciliation with the Southern States and in it's stead adopted a vendetta style of treatment of the South. It's to the Democrats everlasting shame that the Carpetbaggers were ever let loose to pillage the Southern States. We all live with that legacy today.

Response by SPC Benjamin Hartog made Dec 24 at 2020 5:48 PM

SPC Benjamin Hartog — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 17:48:59 -0500

Life can be ugly and slavery was the quintessential manifestation of man's inhumanity to man. Anyone possessing an emblem of slavery's horrific legacy whether it is a flag, tattoo, the written word or an ideological stance should reassess the premises the emblem is based on. Lynching a man and castrating and mutilating him publicly for his putative violation of the draconian Jim Crow laws remains one the the cruelest episodes in American history. Southern slaveowners who professed Christianity while subjecting their slaves to constant denigration and dispossession did not harbor an Augustinian perspective on life but practiced a form of Roman paganism that was in complete discordance with the liberating mission of Christ. Perpetuating this sacrileges heritage by displaying mocking reminders of a system that dehumanized and reduced slaves to mere chattel undermined any notion that men and women were sacred embodiments of God's image. Adorning oneself with symbols of persecution and oppression clearly indicates how morally and psychologically primitive the owners of such despicable signs of degradation are. It reminds me of a reunion of former SS officers celebrating the depredations of the Nazi regime even though Auschwitz remains an indelible stain on the sordid history of mankind. Fealty to such a twisted worldview is indicative of a mentally that has the moral sensitivity of a salt water crocodile and should be banished in perpetuity to Dante's 5th Circle of Hell. SPC Benjamin

Response by PFC William Reynolds, Jr. made Dec 25 at 2020 6:38 PM

PFC William Reynolds, Jr. — Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:38:53 -0500

Counsel on policy if any written.

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Jan 7 at 2021 7:13 PM

CPO Albert Kennison — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:13:05 -0500

Best course of action would be to not have any flags in your barracks with the exception of your unit or battalion flag. That way there would not be any questions of offensive nature. Remember the barracks is still GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.

Response by Maj Neal Jackman made Jan 7 at 2021 10:44 PM

Maj Neal Jackman — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:44:31 -0500

My first question would be what is the state of order and discipline in the unit at present? If everything is running smoothly and you have a high degree of combat reediness, leave well enough alone. If there are problems, find out what the source of the problem is. Is it the flag, an attitude related to the flag, or perhaps a leadership problem. Give unit members a chance to express themselves in an open, no retribution environment and see where it goes. Start at the squad level and report up the chain with the findings.

Response by CPL Roy Murphy made Jan 7 at 2021 10:55 PM

CPL Roy Murphy — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:55:31 -0500

I appreciate the conundrum. I am a Kiwi and we have indigenous rebel flags. Most of us are mixed race- Europolynesian. If I found such a flag I would ask the trooper to remove it off-base, no questions asked about private property. [Note- most of us here have papers in US Civil war history and are aware of the sensitivities!]

Response by MSG David King made Jan 20 at 2021 8:56 AM

MSG David King — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:56:29 -0500

Wow, there's all kinds of cerebralists here. I'd say "nice flag."

Response by SGT(P) Troy Williams made Jan 20 at 2021 10:55 AM

SGT(P) Troy Williams — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 10:55:21 -0500

Here is the quote from the .an who created the flag so everyone knows what it's creation was intended to mean.

Response by SSgt Tony Wilson Sr made Jan 21 at 2021 10:43 AM

SSgt Tony Wilson Sr — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 10:43:12 -0500

The "banning" of certain historical items (flags, statues, people's names, etc) is nothing but progressive group think to spin our nation's history into creating a docile populace. However in the military, there are regulations that must be adhered to to maintain order and discipline. Whoever conducts these "Health and Welfare" inspections has to take into account the soldier's rights to possess said items that have historical context as long as there are NO COMPLAINTS or SPECIFIC REMARKS, RULES or REGULATION forbidding said possession. Each post, camp, or base has a certain amount of autonomy in that regard. Mu attitude as this goes, if it ain't broke, no one is complaining then leave it alone.

Response by SSgt Paul Millard made Jan 21 at 2021 1:55 PM

SSgt Paul Millard — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:55:21 -0500

I believe the barracks are considered Federal property and chain of command would have full control of what is allowed on that property. Soldiers do not own their room. As you say this should be removed to maintain discipline and order,, or just good old common sense. This doesn't need to be a big mess just a quick conversation with the owner if he gets all upset, then it simply becomes a lawful order he must follow, simple as that.. What next, are we going to allow soldier to sport crips and bloods colors on their uniform because its their history

Response by SPC Steve Bryant made Jan 21 at 2021 3:25 PM

SPC Steve Bryant — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:25:39 -0500

Old post, still relevant. If you are a leader that has even one soldier take offense, feel not welcome, lose effectiveness because of what that symbol says to them, can you be a more effective leader? Just because an opinion is unvoiced, that doesn't mean the sentiment isn't there festering. Make the right choices, even if they are hard for you. The military isn't about you.

Response by CWO2 Eric Johnson made Jan 21 at 2021 11:11 PM

CWO2 Eric Johnson — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 23:11:28 -0500

After 25 years of service and a Dept Head, I can understand a member's personal views or opinions. Keep this in mind going forward, you are government property and you represent your branch of service as well as the US government. A barracks displaying personal heritage, religion, and personal flags is not setting good military standards, and could reflect on a member's evaluation after properly coached.
Hopefully I helped?

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jan 22 at 2021 7:09 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:09:27 -0500

This was only changed this past year.

Response by AB Mike Bonner made Feb 9 at 2021 10:40 PM

AB Mike Bonner — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 22:40:54 -0500

I would put this soldier up for promotion. He or she has shown leadership by not being like a sheep following the flock.

Response by Sgt Doug Todd made Feb 18 at 2021 3:17 AM

Sgt Doug Todd — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 03:17:55 -0500

The Flag most often referred to.as "The Confederate Battle Flag" is actually the flag of "The Army of Tennessee" and is rectangular like most other flags. Lee's flag was more nearly square! (Not important -- just a note for those who want to be offended.)

Response by SFC Edward Sneed made Feb 18 at 2021 1:02 PM

SFC Edward Sneed — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:02:58 -0500

If this soldier is (non-white), then apparently, he/she doesn't know the significance of this item. But regardless, any non-military paraphernalia is prohibited amongst the troops, in order to keep dissension at best, away from the soldiers duties and responsibilities to his/her service.

Response by SFC Joseph Trippodo made Feb 18 at 2021 1:22 PM

SFC Joseph Trippodo — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:22:42 -0500

A word to the perpetually offended youth of today (yes, not every single one of them, but most) Sooner or later you will get a real War of survival and won't have to invent injustices and slights of the ego. Full on Racism is wrong and should not be tolerated by the Command or peer soldiers. A flag is not offensive unless its a Nazi flag , USSR, or a KKK flag. those are declarations of hate, everything else is just a reason to complain

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2021 5:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:28:28 -0500

There is no violation

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2021 5:43 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:43:44 -0500

If SPC Christopher Smith with the traitor tat is ever under me in the chain I’d remove him from the military immediately.

Response by SSgt Randall Matheny made Feb 18 at 2021 5:51 PM

SSgt Randall Matheny — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:51:17 -0500

Are you his commander? If not, the commander should decide. It is in his room, for his pleasure, so if he is not antagonizing others with it, there have been no complaints, my advice is to let it ride for morale's sake with an admonition that if complaints arise it must be packed.

Response by SGT Larry Beal made Feb 19 at 2021 12:19 AM

SGT Larry Beal — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:19:51 -0500

Southern people love the south and the flag of their ancestors

Response by Sgt Lee Dutra made Feb 19 at 2021 5:26 AM

Sgt Lee Dutra — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 05:26:20 -0500

W hat should you do? Smile, turn around and leave.

Response by Cpl John Salerno made Feb 19 at 2021 9:14 AM

Cpl John Salerno — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:14:34 -0500

This is a symbol of our history and should not be banned. Also was this being forced upon others? If not leave it alone, this is a freedom of expression, (remember the reason we serve or served, was to preserve freedom). If violent groups can destroy and loot and are deemed as freedom of expression, then why is this not? Who was harmed, if any one was "offended" too bad, who is not offended at one time or an other? History point, the south's rebel flag was that of the democrats who wanted slavery. Question, if this was a blm banner, would we be having this dialogue?

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made Feb 19 at 2021 2:19 PM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:19:05 -0500

One of the things we fight for is freedom of speech. I suppose the commander or 1SG would be the one to make a decision as to whether the flag was in good taste or not. I don't support any white supremacist movement, and think that the Confederate flag is a memory for days gone by. That being said, I would have to ask what their thoughts were by hanging the flag in the barracks. Ideally, the best situation would be to get the soldier to take the flag down on their own, by convincing the individual of the impact the flag will have overall, and attempt to persuade the individual that there are better ways to demonstrate their sympathies, like voting or letter writing to their congressperson.

Response by PO2 Dan Burke made Feb 19 at 2021 2:40 PM

PO2 Dan Burke — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:40:16 -0500

Short and sweet historical truth, The civil war was all about state's rights. The northern states had rammed through congress stifling tariffs on all manufactured goods. Look at Lincolns first campaign issues. Slavery was not among them. Raising the tariffs was. Secession started after the tariffs were passed shortly after Lincoln was inaugurated. This was the impetus to the rebellion. If slavery was the cause, we would not have had our tattered record on civil rights in the north and south. Memorial day was set up to memorialize Northern and Southern dead. The union flag and confederate battle ensign represented their given dead.

Response by SMSgt Billy Cesarano made Feb 19 at 2021 6:46 PM

SMSgt Billy Cesarano — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:46:04 -0500

What are you there inspecting? If you can't site a regulation being violated than it's none of your twisted brainwashed communist induced tyrannical mentality business.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2021 9:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:40:53 -0500

According to the Memorandum by the SecDef on July 15, 2020, as long as it is not in a public (common) area of the barracks, the Soldier is allowed to retain the flag. There's technically that you can do.

Response by 1SG Charles Souza made Feb 19 at 2021 11:35 PM

1SG Charles Souza — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 23:35:17 -0500

Political correctness has become insanely powerful. Commanders can permit or prohibit items or decorations in barracks. However, since everyone is searching for something to offend them, the answer is simple: barracks painted light green, with no decorations. Period. As a retired Army Combat Arms NCO, I am appalled by this stupidity.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Feb 21 at 2021 3:42 PM

1SG James Matthews — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:42:59 -0500

Shake his hand.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Feb 22 at 2021 11:30 AM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:30:12 -0500

My experience was that 99% of times someone found offense to what someone else decorated their barracks room with was more about their prejudices than the person displaying what they wanted to see. Be it sexy posters (and yes women put up beefcake posters) or confederate flags. My policy always was if it isn't straight out offensive or vulgar then it's your home not mine

Response by Maj Larry Carmon made Feb 22 at 2021 8:04 PM

Maj Larry Carmon — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:04:33 -0500

It’s time has passed. It’s a battle flag for the losing side. Not allowed on Government property.

Response by SSgt Ricardo Lugo made Feb 22 at 2021 11:12 PM

SSgt Ricardo Lugo — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 23:12:26 -0500

As a soldier of the United States of America; we must understand that we train together from different social culture back grounds. Are priority as an warrior we must be able to operate by DOD internal regulations; that unify us in the vision and mission of defending are nation in time of peace and war. As an responsible soldier we must discipline are life; when we leave in barracks whit others members of the unit. Some of are culture back grounds have issues with others back grounds; having this knowledge we must be able to maintain a standard policy in reference of barracks procedures; for the overall welfares of the troops. Remember we join the Arm Forces of the United States of America to serve God, Family and Country. That's the real purpose of are call as an warrior of are Nation. So God Help Us.

Response by PO3 Gregory Gore made Feb 23 at 2021 1:25 AM

PO3 Gregory Gore — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:25:14 -0500

It is just a tattoo and his family grew up the south for a long time

Response by AN Ron Wright made Feb 23 at 2021 1:50 AM

AN Ron Wright — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:50:49 -0500

PC run amock they will destroy all of history if we do not stop the Bullshxx

Response by LTC Ray Rhodes made Feb 23 at 2021 1:05 PM

LTC Ray Rhodes — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:05:50 -0500

Disregard the flag and go onto the next room. "These Colors Don't Run" is a motto that your men should adopt. "Wokism" will be the death of our Army only if we let it!!

Response by LTC Ray Rhodes made Feb 23 at 2021 1:09 PM

LTC Ray Rhodes — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:09:23 -0500

I would tell the soldier "Good Motto" and drive on to the next room. That flag is a part of our heritage and the story behind it is one of which we should be proud. If some of the poor l'll darlings are upset by it - - tough defecation! I say this based on my experience over 25 years as a Regular Army, Airborne, Ranger Infantry officer.

Response by SGT Frank-John Limiero made Feb 23 at 2021 2:19 PM

SGT Frank-John Limiero — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 14:19:50 -0500

Maybe what one believes about what a flag represents is not the same as the other. To use PC as a means to change that is wrong. Should the Black soldier with a Confederate tattoo on his shoulder cut it off to meet with an opinion of another that may be different than his own? History about the Civil War can't be changed by those who wish it so. Today we are suppose to be all Americans. That war is over!!!

Response by George Avery made Feb 23 at 2021 3:51 PM

George Avery — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 15:51:55 -0500

How would you justify confiscating it while holding true to your solemn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States?

Response by SGT Jasmine Wilson made Feb 23 at 2021 11:17 PM

SGT Jasmine Wilson — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 23:17:15 -0500

If it can be offensive to others then it is regardless if someone has complained or not. As Soldiers we represent the nations best and in order to include all good order and discipline is required. Since it can offend others it is not good order and discipline.
Sgt wilson medically retired.

Response by CPL Ricardo Young made Feb 24 at 2021 11:12 AM

CPL Ricardo Young — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:12:17 -0500

I will never understand why you guys cry so much over a fucking Flag!! No fucking way its that important to risk losing your damn military career over. Dont give me no freedom bullshit or heritage or rights shit. When you join the military all of that shit is subservient to the Chain of Command and the Constitution. Yet you freely and eagerly agreed to these terms, yet want to have a damn hissy fit over a treasonous traitorous FLAG!!! Gtfoh with heritage, yes plenty of you are hidden racist/white supremacists and thats why you are crying over a rebel flag. And please don't try to equate it with a "COUNTRY or STATE" Flag. It wasnt even a state flag during the civil war. And as its the battle flag of NORTHERN VIRGINIA, why the fuck all the rednecks in Texas, SC, NC and all those other fucking hillbillies crying over it??? Why not display your STATES TRAITORS flag. I am sure they had battle flags as well. See you all want to UNITE under the rebel flag because you know it was adopted by the KKK, and white supremacist to terrorize and oppress people pf color. So dont play the heritage shit, when you know damn well what that flag means to reasonable people. Just proudly wear your racists beliefs on your sleeves, just like the racist ass insurrectionist did on January 6. I got more respect for them because they aint hiding behind no heritage bullshit.

Response by CW3 Steven Hill made Feb 24 at 2021 3:38 PM

CW3 Steven Hill — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:38:05 -0500

Check and see where the troop is from. It’s just a Battle Flag used in the Civil War so soldiers in the smoke of battle could tell who was friendly and who was enemy. It has nothing to do with Racism, although some race baiters like to say it does. If he’s from the south Just tell him to hang it where only he can see it if anyone complains.

Response by SSgt Kevin Hopkins made Feb 24 at 2021 5:24 PM

SSgt Kevin Hopkins — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:24:34 -0500

bottom line is that the Confederates were enemies of the US

Response by SGT Kenneth Stowell made Feb 25 at 2021 3:29 AM

SGT Kenneth Stowell — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:29:49 -0500

Give the solder a promotion.

Response by SGT Kenneth Stowell made Feb 25 at 2021 3:34 AM

SGT Kenneth Stowell — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:34:52 -0500

Give the solder a promotion

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Feb 25 at 2021 9:23 AM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:23:22 -0500

I would suggest that the soldier conceal his flag while living in barracks. Many folks are uneducated and do not realize history of flag. Very few Confederate soldiers owned slaves and question becomes why did they fight? Was not for slavery. The politics of times becomes the effect on other people. Head off the confrontation soldier will lose.

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Mar 16 at 2021 6:20 PM

SGM Edward Sullivan — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:20:19 -0400

First of all, what flag are you describing?????? Are you talking about the Confederate States Colors or are you talking about one of the hundred or so Battle Flags of the different Regiments of the Confederate States Army???? That blanket prohibition by the USMC of “The Rebel Flag” is meaningless until the specific flag or Battle Colors is specified. The standard, uneducated description of “ The Rebel Flag” is specifically the Battle Colors of a Georgia Infantry Regiment , better known as “The Stars and Bars”.
Secondly, as of 1933, ALL folks who fought during the Civil War (War of Northern Aggression) are ALL US Veterans and each and every Battle Flag they fought under is an Official US Battle Flag. So therefore, seeing ANY US Military Battle Flag displayed in any soldiers living space would have NO RESPONSE from me at all, as long as it was correctly displayed!

Response by COL George Antochy made Mar 20 at 2021 4:06 AM

COL George Antochy — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 04:06:02 -0400

This is easy from a Commander's perspective. In today's environment the Commander has no choice but to have the possible offending item removed from the installation. This has no bearing on what the Soldier's intent is, nor what the Commander believes. In our current environment this property has no place in today's military. If the Soldier has objections he first should be sent to sensitivity training, and the local policy and regulations should be consulted. Sorry, but it is what it is, and it cannot be ignored.

Response by PO2 Frank Henry made Mar 20 at 2021 6:14 PM

PO2 Frank Henry — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:14:32 -0400

The Confederate flag is very offensive to me and most of my family members, especially the ones whom know and care about our families extended history. I get this feeling of anger that overcomes me on sight of it! I can't help but to think about vengeance for my ancestors!

Response by SGT William DavisWatkins made Mar 21 at 2021 2:27 AM

SGT William DavisWatkins — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:27:42 -0400

That's an enemy battle flag. It's no different from an Al-Qaeda flag. Counsel and report the incident to the chain of command. Make it clear what the expectations are. If the behavior persists, pursue a formal UCMJ solution. Racism destroys units.

Response by PFC Philip Osborne made Mar 21 at 2021 11:42 AM

PFC Philip Osborne — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:42:56 -0400

I feel that we learn as we get older how things need to change and there is ONE American flag ! I salute the Stars and Strips !

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 21 at 2021 1:49 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:49:26 -0400

Who owns it? If no one speaks up, remove it.

Response by LTC Paul Yingling made Mar 21 at 2021 2:30 PM

LTC Paul Yingling — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:30:22 -0400

Confederates committed treason in defense of slavery.

Any Confederate flag is a symbol of white supremacy flown by an enemy of the United States.
The flag comes down, and the troops get educated on the history of white supremacy.

Response by PO1 Milton Wiseman made Mar 21 at 2021 3:13 PM

PO1 Milton Wiseman — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:13:17 -0400

The commander has the authority, but if it is simply folded and in the members locker, why cause a ruckus? A private piece of memorabilia, not on display should be of little concern. Many members of the military are history buffs and collect things. History is just that, history, and wokeness has NO place in our military, now or in the furture. I always hated cultural history months, absolutely hated them. The men and women of the United States military have a common bonding thread, they are members of the world's greatest military with a great history and should celebrate that. One private or one general don't make our armed forces great, it is the collective men and women that make it great and always will. Flags, pins or free speech are part of that.

Response by SCPO Rick Hunter made Mar 21 at 2021 6:53 PM

SCPO Rick Hunter — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:53:05 -0400

Exactly the same action I'd take were I to find, and have found on several inspections, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuba, Texas (always a popular Flag), Philippines, Ireland or some religious flag. When I was in, didn't have to worry about finding a rainbow flag, back then the policy was, "don't ask, don't tell." Did some of the flags piss me off? Sure, some did, but that wasn't reason enough for me to order the Sailor to remove said flag. Quite honestly, I felt ever who had a flag was showing pride in either their home Country or Heritage. And isn't the Navy all about Heritage? On the other hand, yes, I probably would've gone all Senior Chief on a Sailor displaying a KKK, NAZI, Taliban, antifa or blm rag. Fortunately when I was in Taliban was Mujahedeen and were on our side killing Russkies, antifa and blm didn't exist.

Response by SMSgt Tom Burns made Mar 21 at 2021 11:23 PM

SMSgt Tom Burns — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:23:13 -0400

If it is in his/her private room, and you have not received complaints from unit members about the flag or its owner, I would not be too upset or make a big deal of it.

The Stars and Bars Flag is part of out history. Anyone can be offended by anything they don't like today, just get a grip.

Response by SSgt Steven Farmer made Mar 22 at 2021 12:05 AM

SSgt Steven Farmer — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 00:05:36 -0400

It's part of our nation's history whether your offended or not. I'm offended by alot of things that doesn't mean they should be banned. This PC, cancel culture needs to stop now. It's out of control and everything is being banned it's total B.S. perpetuated by the radical loons. If your offended then move to Venezuela.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Mar 22 at 2021 1:23 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:23:16 -0400

Holy fuck! How many can time does this shit have to come up with pussy ass NCOs with a stick up their Yankee asses. Holy fuck! How any you take an hour an learn something instead of being fucking offended by a piece of cloth with printed colors on it.

Guess what, no one cares if your offended. No one cares about the Confederate class tattoos or hanging on walls in rooms. No one fucking cares... asking what kinda discipline should occur is one a fish on ice. Get your pussy ass some education and get back to work

Response by Maj Ron Johnson made Mar 22 at 2021 5:56 PM

Maj Ron Johnson — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:56:49 -0400

This is not a communist nation yet and as long as the person with the flag is not doing anything wrong, what is the foul?

Response by Sgt Karla Wentworth made Mar 22 at 2021 9:42 PM

Sgt Karla Wentworth — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:42:56 -0400

I say leave it alone unless someone complains, I am so tired of the new 'cancel culture' It IS a part of OUR history and erasing history will Not change it.

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 22 at 2021 11:31 PM

CPT Keith Celebrezze — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:31:45 -0400

Article 15, chaplain visits for a month. Extra duty. They'll grow out of it. Don't ruin him. He's salvageable if the flag is the only issue.

Good luck.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2021 11:08 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:08:05 -0400

It is against the rules to display the flag in government housing and property. Personally I would simply confiscate it and move on. Mostly because I know that it does not represent anything outside of a state’s legal right to secede from the union whenever it wants. That being said it’s a government building and can’t be displayed. Some homework would have to be done on the exact rule and wording. A form of counseling and a simple confiscation would handle things apolitically if that’s even possible today.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2021 12:00 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:00:42 -0400

I know the old SecDef Esper had a memo that pretty much banned them on bases. If you want to contest the history of it, read the articles of succession

Response by Cpl Jeffrey Lovelace made Mar 24 at 2021 12:11 AM

Cpl Jeffrey Lovelace — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:11:11 -0400

It's a flag. I don't have a problem with it. I see it for what it is. A piece of history.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Mar 24 at 2021 12:43 AM

SPC Henry Francis — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:43:30 -0400

If there are no problems with the soldier or other factors indicating the intent of its display is anything other than benign AND there is not a regulation prohibiting its display AND if it is not a matter of contention among fellow soldiers... I would not do anything. If it’s display causes contention among the troops or in my best judgement may become a cause for contention I would have the soldier remove it. If there are problems with the soldier that have any association with the flag I would take appropriate corrective action and have the soldier remove the flag. Finally, if in my best judgement the presence of the flag could create an undesirable issue or be a liability for command I would have the soldier remove the flag. In any case I would advise the soldier of the reasons for its removal.

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Mar 24 at 2021 6:56 PM

SPC Will Thorson — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:56:22 -0400

Nazi flag is offensive to some but not all. Heritage doesn't count either. That flag came about around 1861 and ended 1865. It represents one thing. Slavery. You can try to argue about it all you want, try to say it something it isn't. It doesn't work. That flag represents a bunch of states that seceded from the union...aka THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to keep the foundation and the role of slavery. Alive. It's literally written in every states secession papers. 700,000+ Americans died to stop those under that flag from turning the US into a vile reprehensible. Slave state. That flag represents a hroup of people who butchered and enslaved those they thought were inferior and not worth being free. They used the bible as proof. So no. You can argue all you want about the flag. It doesn't change the history and you can't gloss it over because everyone knows. I honestly don't know how anyone with a straight face can say it's heritage and defend it. 10 years after the war ended...along comes him Crowe.the erection of monuments all over the US saying how the war was fought not about slavery but northern aggression. Putting statues of Lee and other generals and state representatives in front of state houses and court buildings in state that had nothing to do with the south. The "know your place" attitude that stayed for over a 100 years. How many african Americans were lynched in the south after the war+10 years? Up to 10,000. Just because they wanted something better. And when those African amerucans actually did something, along comes your heritage destroying and murdering to put those back down below where "they" belong. Every single time there is a nazi/right wing hate group match the confederate flag is out there for all to see. Then you have the "erasing history" excuse. That doesn't work either. Mo one gets their history from monuments . its from libraries and history books and documentaries. Glorifying 4 years of war and a 100+ years of keeping a race down isn't a heritage I would proudly proclaim. The biggest thing is this...you served in the U.S. military, you raised your right hand to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic yet wave around and proclaim a flag that represents the complete opposite of what the United States stands for and what you raised your hand to do.. No amount of excuses will change that.

Response by CPT David Annis made Mar 25 at 2021 10:44 AM

CPT David Annis — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:44:21 -0400

I would (and have previously) asked the soldier to take it down and stow it with his personal items, and to not hang it in the future.
If they have questions about it, I would simply explain that the Confederate Flag for many represent slavery, especially to the roughly 1/3 of our unit who are African Americans, and that causes an issue in our maintaining good order and discipline. In addition, unlike a recognized religious symbol or flag, supporting the Confederacy (who lost the Civil War) is not a protected class and also suggest a political affiliation, which is not allowed.
If they are still unwilling to take the flag down, then given them a direct order, give another warning in the future if you see it again, and if it continues, then go to the CO and request a non-judicial punishment (Article 15).
To be fair to everyone in the unit, you should do the same for any other divisive or political oriented flags, symbols, etc.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Mar 25 at 2021 11:57 AM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:57:27 -0400

None.

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 25 at 2021 12:14 PM

CPT Keith Celebrezze — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:14:34 -0400

Flags, like words, are not evil. Also, you said it was modified. Do you know that many many organizations make adaptations to that flag? Maybe some are white nationalist militias, granted... but unless the item has been weaponized against comrades, it's probably just some harmless heirloom.

It would be pretty terrible if you find out that that flag was his great grandfathers cavalry flag, mixed with his father's deployment flag. Man, would it be cruel to destroy that.

He's probably got a benign reason, LIKE that.

Good luck.

Response by Bernadette Ferriter made Mar 25 at 2021 2:47 PM

Bernadette Ferriter — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:47:43 -0400

omg...give us all a break from this nonsense!!!! Am sooo sick of the whole alphabet litany, the statue destruction, the masked fools and their dumb ass messages, their marches and their torches and stupid slogans....MOVE ON, NOT BACKWARDS. I have never even been to the South, loved Gone with the Wind, and treated my students equally. And love the United States military!

Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Mar 25 at 2021 2:50 PM

MAJ Jeffrey Johnson — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:50:54 -0400

As an Infantry company commander in 1982 I courts marriages the little bastard, successfully I might add. Later we found recruiting literature for a supremacist group in his pockets. Don't put up with this carp is the lesson to be learned.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Mar 25 at 2021 6:47 PM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:47:12 -0400

In my opinion the rebel flag represents the battle flag of defeated enemy of the United States and it belongs in a museum. That said, that's just my opinion, unless army regulations specifically forbid the flag being displayed then I would keep it to myself and leave it at that.

Response by SGT Gene Boswell made Mar 25 at 2021 10:40 PM

SGT Gene Boswell — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:40:38 -0400

I am white, spent 6 years in the Army. Personally I have the same History, family who fought for the Confederacy. But in the Military we are all One Color and its Important to remember that. There is no Black, White, Yellow we are all OD Green. The Person next to you needs to be your Friend, because he or she might be the one pulls you from in front of the next bullet or just plain Saves Your Life. Color & Gender should not be an issue in the Military. What's important is Life and Limb and the Mission. Gene Boswell

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Mar 26 at 2021 8:31 AM

Sgt Ivan Boatwright — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:31:52 -0400

I grew up a Confederate wannabe. When I was young, over three-quarters of a century ago, most of us had no understanding of the bad side of our history. Colonel John S. Mosby {The Grey Ghost} was my hero, as well as Admiral Raphael Semmes. Black people were looked down on because of lack of education and many of the ways they lived. I did not understand, which was partly my fault but was definitely the American system's fault. At age twelve, I sewed my own Confederate battle flag. I still have it somewhere today. The problem was, I was just as uneducated as the Black people were. I saw the Southern glory and excitement of being a battle-harden soldier. I did not comprehend the Black side of the equation. I lacked empathy. What was glory to me was shame and slavery for them. That was one hundred and sixty years ago. Their pain has never ended because it is rubbed in their face. The military side of my hero's accomplishments are still true and part of history, just as the slavery and abuse they felt and still feel today. Had Mexico taken over Texas and parts of America, we would be in the same place as the under-privileged. History is passed, and I left my child-hood glory days behind. I fought in Vietnam, and to many Vietnamese people, we were the nazi invading troops. We must allow our past to rest in peace as our history. We are all American, and we cannot push something that offends a large part of our nation.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Mar 26 at 2021 11:50 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:50:41 -0400

In the south, the rebel flag was worn by the victors and the heritage runs truly deep. However, this is historical and today, the same fabric can mean White Supremacy. As Commander, I would have it removed to maintain good order and discipline.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Mar 27 at 2021 3:02 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:02:54 -0400

How can you live in a free, open society with guaranteed freedom of expression without offending someone? What good is freedom without tolerance?

Response by SP5 John Fitzgerald made Mar 28 at 2021 3:57 PM

SP5 John Fitzgerald — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:57:51 -0400

American Flag and unit banners should be it. In common areas, no "Roll "Tide", Confederate, "Go Hoosiers", "NRA", "BLM", etc. Is there any strictly personal space in an Army barrack

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Mar 28 at 2021 5:37 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 17:37:03 -0400

NONE. NO ACTION what so ever should be initiated or anything else. While I am not from the south, many are and while some seem to think the flag is tied to racism, it is not. It was the first NATIONAL FLAG to represent the Confederacy as a nation. It was not create for anything that has anything to do with racism.

I am sick and tired of this woke bullshit and push to destroy history and heritage.. YOU LEARN from mistakes, you don't hide them away so they can be repeated again by generations that will never know it happened.

Response by SFC Dwight Beaver made Mar 29 at 2021 9:13 AM

SFC Dwight Beaver — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:13:39 -0400

Isn't that up to the base commander, the battalion cdr and company commanders.
Maybe what you found wasnt a rebel flag at all

Response by CPL John Raehal made Apr 1 at 2021 10:45 AM

CPL John Raehal — Thu, 01 Apr 2021 10:45:19 -0400

The Confedrate Battle Standard is officially an American, US Army Battle standard, just as confedrate solider are, were, veterans of the United States Military. Because the flag has been modified, it is not an official battle standard and thus it is up to you weather it should be removed or not, but if so then you should also ensure that all other modified standards are also removed, such as the Star and Stripes that have been done in black and white as a symbol of support ofr police officers. Also, if you decide to remove the flag, you should ensure that your SOP is updated concerning displaying such banners in the barraks so that this does not become an issue that can be contested, but a policy set forth by you as the commander and applied to all such flags regaurdless of politial nature - or what side of the political specturam such banners repersent, but remember that such a policy would have to be applied to all flags and banners within your barraks. Thuse if a soulider of Mecican American heritage wanted to display a Mexican National Flag in his barrakes room, or of any other nations the same standard should be used - and if we are not willing to acknowledge and display offical US Army banners,m we should not be displaying banners of other counties in our barraks.

Response by MSG Paul L. Ruiz made Apr 2 at 2021 5:53 PM

MSG Paul L. Ruiz — Fri, 02 Apr 2021 17:53:18 -0400

I feel that this would be a great opportunity for that soldier to give a class to everyone, on why the Rebel flag is important to them, maybe he had family members that fought in the Civil war for the south, but all of this is still our American history, and we should never forget the lessons that were learned through this time of trial, because if we forget this or the Americans that died, we forget a big part of how we fought and bled to become the Nation we are today!

Response by SGT Dennis Z made Apr 3 at 2021 11:36 AM

SGT Dennis Z — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 11:36:11 -0400

Do the same thing you would do if you found a Mexican Flag, Irish Flag, or any other Flag in a persons Barracks. And yes, we did have a war with Mexico, so don't say the we had a war with one and not the other. If Soldiers can have a Mexican Flag then all flags should be permitted, or it is just discrimination.

Response by SPC Bryan Holmes made Apr 3 at 2021 1:32 PM

SPC Bryan Holmes — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:32:16 -0400

So here’s my thoughts.... I am a History Major, and have visited many battlefields across these United States; especially Gettysburg one of my favorite places- that said, on private property, in a personal space not owned by the Government/DoD is ok with me. At a Military Museum, a Battleground, all are places to house a significant piece of history- but not in the barracks. I don’t think the individual needs anything other that a verbal or quick counseling statement- but if it is the 2nd, 3rd time something has been said the soldier is in the wrong. We don’t need division or conflict in our military. The soldier could have something in a locker, or in a private place to keep this trinket. But on a wall in public is not expressing his unit, command or the service very well.

Response by SGT Jerry Hoy made Apr 3 at 2021 6:43 PM

SGT Jerry Hoy — Sat, 03 Apr 2021 18:43:16 -0400

Nothing. Leave him/her alone.

Response by PV2 Terry Agee made Apr 5 at 2021 6:29 AM

PV2 Terry Agee — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 06:29:57 -0400

In the beginning of America, there were 13 stars. Only one remains now, Virginia. I would burn it for Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe. There are no alternatives!

Response by SrA Philip Franklin made Apr 10 at 2021 6:36 AM

SrA Philip Franklin — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 06:36:51 -0400

Fuk ur flag....

Response by SrA Philip Franklin made Apr 10 at 2021 6:37 AM

SrA Philip Franklin — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 06:37:11 -0400

And fuk ur tattoo....

Response by LCpl Michael Yust made Apr 10 at 2021 9:41 AM

LCpl Michael Yust — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:41:21 -0400

None, South will rise again against the democratic and liberal party

Response by LCpl Michael Yust made Apr 10 at 2021 9:43 AM

LCpl Michael Yust — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:43:37 -0400

Offend my ass!!!! We are Marines we were meant to offend

Response by LCpl Michael Yust made Apr 10 at 2021 9:46 AM

LCpl Michael Yust — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:46:01 -0400

SSG V Michelle Woods, Are you a Communist Liberal????

Response by Lt Col Stephen Wacksman made Apr 17 at 2021 9:17 AM

Lt Col Stephen Wacksman — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:17:01 -0400

If you are a member of the US military, the flag represents the country you volunteered to defend. There is no reason to be displaying any other nationalitie's flag. As for the Confederate battle flag, if you don't understand how controversial that is and why, here in 2021, there isn't much hope for you. The whole "states rights" really boiled down to the right to maintain slavery as it had become a vital part of their economy. It was never right or moral, much as some White Christian Nationalists want to rationalize. What part of Southern heritage is being defended?

Response by SGT Jeremy Cribb made Apr 22 at 2021 1:36 PM

SGT Jeremy Cribb — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:36:28 -0400

When I lived in the B’s back in 06/07, I had a confederate flag in the room. I had an inspection done and was asked why I wanted to display it, I gave my acceptable reasons, and my roommate was asked if he was bothered by it. He said he was not and felt the same way about it, and that’s all that became of that.

Response by SFC James Corona made Apr 23 at 2021 3:00 PM

SFC James Corona — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:00:36 -0400

First I would take it up with my Chain of Command and proceed cautiously and accordingly according to Army and UCMJ regulations.

Response by SrA Michele Burgman made Apr 24 at 2021 1:57 PM

SrA Michele Burgman — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:57:30 -0400

The swastika is a religious symbol, but, probably not a good idea to display that either.

Response by SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala made Apr 24 at 2021 3:11 PM

SPC Marcelo Medina Ayala — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:11:17 -0400

Freedom of speech is freedom of all yes? Had a situation like this in Germany 1984 one of my roommates had a huge rebel flag, so i got a huge rising sun flag and posted it on my side of the room. Upon inspection our captain complemented said roommate's flag then he came to my side and asked me if i knew what my flag meant, i said yes and told him, he asked me to remove it, i asked why? He said we were at war with the empire of japan, to which i replied we were at war with the south too, and i will take down my flag, if my roommate takes his down, Sir. He agreed to let both stay up as we have a right to our expression, I have seen soldiers secretly have SS and swastikas', i know when we are under fire much of these "differences" disappear. but freedom is freedom, they don't mess with mine, i don't mess with theirs

Response by SFC Donald Souza made Apr 24 at 2021 4:54 PM

SFC Donald Souza — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:54:10 -0400

? What is the unit's policy

Response by 1st Lt Joe Egolf made Apr 25 at 2021 2:29 PM

1st Lt Joe Egolf — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:29:12 -0400

Personal property and his right as far as I can see

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Apr 25 at 2021 11:47 PM

SSG Franklin Briant — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:47:00 -0400

I personally have no problems with the stars and bars. I am from Texas, it is part of our heritage and I am proud of it I am more offended by a pride flag than I ever will be by the rebel flag. It is not the flag but what the individual who use them for racist ideas. If the individual with the flag is doing it for heritage pride I have no problems with the flag personally but I would enforce the regulations that the unit or post may have. If we are banning flags then get all of them rebel, Nazi, other white or black power, and pride flags. My concern is most of us on this site have or are defending our right of freedom of expression. As long as you don't infringe on others there should be no problem. We are all audits if a piece of cloth offends you to the point of needing a safe place to hide why are you in the military. And you need serious mental help.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2021 8:08 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:08:57 -0400

My belief is that no flag should be anywhere on base except the one American flag flown in front of the Headquarters building. Anyone presenting any other flag is doing it for a reason and not to satisfy anyone else but themselves. Dissension among the ranks should not be tolerated.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Apr 27 at 2021 5:06 PM

SGT Gary Tob — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:06:05 -0400

Big deal. It's part of history. To many snow flakes around these days. If we had the culture of today during WW II we'd be speaking another language and a different flag

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2021 12:38 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 00:38:19 -0400

As a Southern African American man, I find it Crazy how some people just don't understand how offensive it is to people of color. They fought with honor yes, but a part of there cause was slavery, more specifically the keeping of slavery in the south. So I get very offended when I see people support something that even misdirectly represents something so hateful.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2021 6:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:22:47 -0400

Tell them to remove it since it was banned last year

Response by CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2021 9:53 PM

CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:53:50 -0400

I would always recommend in such a situation that you request legal review of the regulations to determine if this is a violation or not. Take this JAG opinion to the Commander and have him or her make a decision.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2021 11:20 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:20:48 -0400

I,m a 22yr vet ret first i would talk to the individual and try for him to understand what that could mean to others..at this time i would not take a demanding position. We are a unit we live,fightand back each other up..As a group we can work this out....they will be more important things in the future...Let us try together.....

Response by SGT ~ Hodg made Apr 30 at 2021 11:39 AM

SGT ~ Hodg — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:39:17 -0400

I would not do anything about the flag because I understand the history behind the flag. I would monitor the behaviors of that soldier a little more closely though because the meaning of that flag has been highjacked and distorted. I'd say nothing and do nothing until I saw behaviors that indicated the soldier needed discipline or reeducation on what is appropriate and what is not.

Response by SrA Douglas Collins made May 1 at 2021 8:26 AM

SrA Douglas Collins — Sat, 01 May 2021 08:26:46 -0400

It's a Flag... If you don't like it "tough" get over yourself and grow a brain... This is America! If you can't assimilate to America's ways., got back where you came from..

Response by SrA Douglas Collins made May 1 at 2021 8:28 AM

SrA Douglas Collins — Sat, 01 May 2021 08:28:46 -0400

so you can't vote a down?? only a up?? because you don't have enough points... screw this site

Response by SSG James Mielke made May 1 at 2021 1:11 PM

SSG James Mielke — Sat, 01 May 2021 13:11:29 -0400

First you need to clarify exactly what you mean by "rebel flag". It could refer to any number of flags, including the Gadsden Flag and the original Old Glory with her 13 Stars and Stripes.

For those who are commenting on the assumption that this question is referring to the Flag of the Army of North Virginia and that it symbolizes racism and advocates slavery, I need to remind you that a number of our Founding Fathers were also slave owners and all were considered rebels, George Washington among them, but they still fought for American independence from governmental oppression and are considered by most to be American heroes.

Back to the point; you also state that the soldier in question is "not White" and indicate that he likely lives in the room alone.
I would say that the fact he is "not White" would make having the flag definitely NOT a racist issue and most likely a matter of regional pride (assuming he grew up in a Southern state).
Also, if he lives in the room alone, exactly who is he offending? If he has roommates and they have not complained, again, who is he offending? You?
If your soldier is competent and professional in carrying out his duties and has no disciplinary or personal issues that would cause one to question his loyalty to America or make him unfit to serve, then drop the matter.

Personally, by bringing this issue into a social media platform, you are doing little more than stirring the pot and using the responses to bolster your desire to punish this soldier for your own self-righteous, moral shortcomings.
The one question I have about this is that you seem to indicate that you have just recently came across this flag on display in a recent inspection. Granted the military has changed since I retired but I would like to think that daily room and barracks inspections were still a thing used to maintain standards of living and personal discipline. I would hate to think that a fine E7 was getting sloppy in performance of some of his most basic leadership responsibilities .

Response by MSgt Robert Cunningham made May 1 at 2021 7:53 PM

MSgt Robert Cunningham — Sat, 01 May 2021 19:53:18 -0400

Since I was in basic training 1972 - new recruits coming we’re challenging

Response by SSgt Paulina Hicks made May 2 at 2021 12:33 AM

SSgt Paulina Hicks — Sun, 02 May 2021 00:33:24 -0400

Here is a little bit of history taken from books to Wikipedia. "The Confederate States of America dissolved in 1865, its battle flag has continued to receive modern display. The modern display began during the 1948 United States presidential election when it was used by the Dixiecrats, a political party that opposed civil rights to African Americans and supported racial segregation.[1][2] A further display of the flag was a response to the civil rights movement and the passage of federal civil rights laws in the 1950s and 1960s.[3]

The display of flags associated with the Confederacy is controversial. The Confederate battle flag is associated with pride in Southern heritage, states' rights, the historical commemoration of the American Civil War, glorification of the Civil War, and celebrating the Myth of the Lost Cause, racism, slavery, segregation, white supremacy,....

We have become so sensitiveand egotistical to all issues that oppose our personal views and beliefs that we (ourselves) are slowly killing our freedoms. Until the day I leave this earth I will continue to believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the freedom to live your life as you see it fit for you. At the end of this life, you will give an account to God for YOUR choices, for the life you choose to live, and not anyone else's. I do think protocols are needed with what soldiers can display in the barracks. After all barracks are government property. But also, leniency is needed; people have differences in how they display what they love. Remember many people are born in other countries who have US citizenship. Displaying a flag from the other country should not be seeing as a lesser love or appreciation of the US. If someone display the Third Reich, the Nazi flag; well then, the soldier's actions should come into question asap and some form of discipline/counsel should take place without a doubt.

Response by SPC Russell Carroll made May 2 at 2021 1:50 AM

SPC Russell Carroll — Sun, 02 May 2021 01:50:40 -0400

I was a State Corrections Officer for close to a decade. We had black inmates adopting Nazi symbols to show they were “bad ass” too. It should not be tolerated and investigate what was the purpose of that flag. Never tolerate anything that hampers the ideals we have fought for. If the soldiers want that flag let them do that when they leave the military.

Response by CPT Israel Yzaguirre made May 2 at 2021 3:33 PM

CPT Israel Yzaguirre — Sun, 02 May 2021 15:33:05 -0400

The flag is for a traitor military force. It is akin to someone having an NVA flag as a tattoo. As a child, I believed in rebels and Yankees, but today I am educated.

Response by PFC Ray Aquila made May 2 at 2021 5:43 PM

PFC Ray Aquila — Sun, 02 May 2021 17:43:06 -0400

In our current climate (state) of the nation one must tread very, very lightly. True, there are AR's one must follow. But, in the military or not. To commonly today, we all hear/see these words. "LAW SUIT." In my days in the military in the mid 1960's there would have been no question as to what would have been done. "TAKE IT DOWN." "OR COURT MARTIAL." That is a FLAG of an ENEMY to the US. Which it is. Which it was. End of discussion. Another factor, unlike my days in the military. This an all volunteer military. Quite different, Yes?

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made May 2 at 2021 7:56 PM

1LT Neal Schwartz — Sun, 02 May 2021 19:56:12 -0400

Let him have his flag, it's not "important" to some but "important" to others, is the way I look at it, rather than "offensive" think "important". What's really important are the 43 comrades of mine that came home in a box, rather than sitting in a seat, even my own medic that gave his life patching up others during a rocket an mortar attack. Look him up, Fred Harold Paddleford, 1st Battalion 83rd Artillery, Vietnam, 1969. I think about him everyday of my life. That's what's important to me.
1LT (Neal) Schwartz, 1st Battalion 83rd Artillery, "B" Btry XO and CO, Vietnam 1968-1969.

Response by CN Dennis Stender made May 2 at 2021 9:35 PM

CN Dennis Stender — Sun, 02 May 2021 21:35:01 -0400

The Confederate States of America was a defeated nation there is but one Union The United States of America any reference to the aforementioned is treasonous.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made May 2 at 2021 10:52 PM

SPC Paul Davis — Sun, 02 May 2021 22:52:23 -0400

Here's my 2 cents. This PC. crap is over the top. If a room is shared isn't it up to those who live there to figure out how to live together and get along? Yes they must maintain military standards , if they decorate their room and neither has an issue whats the problem? As long as military standards are maintained there shouldn't be any issues. Anything can be made offensive and racist. Don't make a problem if there isn't one.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made May 2 at 2021 11:11 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Sun, 02 May 2021 23:11:41 -0400

To me, too many are too sensitive today. First: it’s a Confederate Flag, not a “rebel” flag.
Second: Since it’s in his room, if his roommates (?) don’t have an issue with it, I’d leave it be. Good or bad, it’s a part of history. How will people learn from the mistakes made in the past if we Remove &/or destroy all of it?

Response by SGT John Hyers made May 3 at 2021 11:23 AM

SGT John Hyers — Mon, 03 May 2021 11:23:48 -0400

Simple correction. explain that it might offend others.. Ask to be put away.. The more we make things "violations" rather then on the spot corrections with a respectable talk with our troops, the more attention we bring to it from both sides of political spectrum. We need unity now, not more PC division and punishments handed out to show we are cracking down.. If people want the thought police rampant in the Mil with the woke world you will not have a cohesion.. but division.. and we know in the end where that got us in 1860...I am a civilian now, run hundreds of workers from all races and religions. Always kept peace saying by treating everyone fairly and with respect, only used the hammer to drive down the ones who didnt comply... Less paper, more talking

Response by SFC James Welch made May 3 at 2021 3:01 PM

SFC James Welch — Mon, 03 May 2021 15:01:45 -0400

Leave it alone.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made May 3 at 2021 5:02 PM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Mon, 03 May 2021 17:02:18 -0400

Excellent question and good comments from readers. I am a Southerner who agrees that while it may be offensive to some it is not a hate symbol. Question; is it ok to display the following flags?
-Puerto Rican
-Mexican
-Irish Republic
-Texas
-Protestant or Catholic

I think that a line can be drawn between these and hate symbols (Nazi, Communist Cuba, North Korean, Soviet Union, etc) and others.

I would not display a Confederate flag on my home but I am not offended if someone takes pride in their heritage. Though call, go with your first gut reaction.

Response by SFC Wendell Pruitt made May 4 at 2021 9:00 AM

SFC Wendell Pruitt — Tue, 04 May 2021 09:00:31 -0400

I have read through the comment section on this topic and was not the least bit surprised to read most of them, what the Majority seem to miss in crafting their answers is that this particular flag was adopted and used for years by multiple hate groups and nearly no one stepped forward to defend the historical aspect of the flag on those occasions, its to late to now try to defend it from a historical aspect. I was born and raised in South Mississippi in the 1960's where the only time this flag was displayed was when hate groups like the KKK held membership rallies, marched in protest of civil rights progress or were conducting a terror campaign against fellow Americans who happened to be Black.... My opinion is simple, In keeping with the thought of good order and discipline it should not be displayed in the barracks, It belongs in History books, museums and places where the true story is told, such as Battlefields memorials and cemeteries. It does not belong displayed on a wall in a U.S. Army Barracks.

Response by PFC Matt Ochmanski made May 4 at 2021 12:09 PM

PFC Matt Ochmanski — Tue, 04 May 2021 12:09:16 -0400

I would advise that some might not like the fact that you’re hanging the flag. But if you’re set on keeping it up! Get to JAG and find out the regs and be on your p’s and q’s. Someone might report it.

Response by SGT JoyceAnn Richmond made May 5 at 2021 2:42 PM

SGT JoyceAnn Richmond — Wed, 05 May 2021 14:42:55 -0400

I would simply take th e soldier aside and whisper to him, "You might want to take that down 'til after the command inspection. Then you can put it back up if you want to.

Response by SSgt Steven Farmer made May 15 at 2021 10:10 PM

SSgt Steven Farmer — Sat, 15 May 2021 22:10:13 -0400

It's American History. Plain and simple.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2021 9:15 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 May 2021 09:15:19 -0400

I'd say, "Nice flag," and move along. If, IF, he displays racist behavior, stomp that out with a quickness. Racism has no place in my Army. But not everyone is an uneducated ignoramus who believes everything the media tells us. The South has a rich, proud tradition and history, and while they were on the wrong side of it, I can still respect it. Besides, if we decommissioned every unit in the Army that ever lost a battle, we wouldn't have an Army.

Response by CW3 Peter Acevedo made May 30 at 2021 7:49 AM

CW3 Peter Acevedo — Sun, 30 May 2021 07:49:28 -0400

SFC King you have stumbled on an explosive scene. If you can’t defuse it, then ask for help from someone you respect and others respect. This isn’t always the best place for answers. You swore the same oath I did it was to defend the Constitution, not everyone’s feelings. I hope and pray you find your way through this minefield. Thank you for your continued service. Soldier on.

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made May 30 at 2021 10:32 AM

SGT Lance LeBerte — Sun, 30 May 2021 10:32:16 -0400

Why should it not be there?

Response by PO3 Kenneth Suvanto made May 30 at 2021 11:01 AM

PO3 Kenneth Suvanto — Sun, 30 May 2021 11:01:39 -0400

Wow! A lot of comments on this post. You don't even have to read History Books to learn...just read the comments in this post and you will learn history...I seen one comment about the Civil War being about slavery! The person who said that needs to read some history book or go back to school or better yet read this comment. The Civil War was about the south wanting to break away away form the north and become their own country...period. Then slavery became an issue so that they could have more reason to hate the south. I also want to post a couple of pictures...the first one with Hillary supporting the confederate flag (so the left knows about that). Then one of my favorites as I'm an American Finn...then, my favorite, the USA flag in my yard. Happy Memorial Day everyone and God Bless you and the USA!

Response by 1SG Kenneth Hills made May 30 at 2021 2:10 PM

1SG Kenneth Hills — Sun, 30 May 2021 14:10:46 -0400

Funny No one Answered the Question ??? I would pull the Soldier off to the Side and explain that in the Old days it would have been OK but in this New WOKE Army you should Probably take this down before Some libtard Woke brainwashed soldier see it !!! I would Also advise the Soldier to delete all Media account like Fakebook and twitter, tiktok and so on. if the Soldier plan on Making the Military a carrier and NO Tattoos they may offend someone, I would also tell the Soldier if they are religious to pray at home in private, some one may be offended that’s what I would do if I was still Active !!!!!!!

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made May 30 at 2021 8:56 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Sun, 30 May 2021 20:56:07 -0400

Nothing. A soldier should be judged on his character and duty performance and not the flag he pins to his room wall, especially if there are no regulations, etc. banning such wall decorations. Would people be as upset if he hung the SC state flag? The reason is that more Confederate soldiers fought under their respective state flags than the Confederate flag.

Response by CW2 Scott Quaife made May 30 at 2021 9:36 PM

CW2 Scott Quaife — Sun, 30 May 2021 21:36:57 -0400

Although there is nothing that bans this flag as of yet, it has strong implications from a time long ago that shaped the history of the US. I think if this soldier is displaying this as pride then so be it. Unless this individual has other motives and is using it as a symbol of hate.

Response by SSG James N. made May 31 at 2021 8:32 AM

SSG James N. — Mon, 31 May 2021 08:32:36 -0400

There is a reason Jefferson Davis was not prosecuted. We have the right to secede and rebel against our government if it becomes tyrannical. The argument is still economics vs slavery for the reason our civil war was fought, but the deeper you dig, you find it was big business in the north that would fail if the south was allowed to leave.

You find a rebel flag in the B's? So? I've seen black, tan, and light tan GI's, myself included displaying them with family history. We do not let less than 1% define who we are, nor do we abide their use of our flag for doing bad things.
My kin fought because crops were stolen, women were raped, and farms were burned down by blue belly scum. Slavery WAS SO NOT the issue when my direct descendants took up arms against tyranny. If your gut says racist, and you can PROVE it, go HAM on the SOB. But do not be like MSG Marylynn D. Hill and call every white tatted GI from California a racist when you have no proof nor any statements but the opposite. I now know where she lives. My turn

Response by SGT Walter Lester made May 31 at 2021 5:53 PM

SGT Walter Lester — Mon, 31 May 2021 17:53:01 -0400

I wpuld tell the soldier that he would have to remove the flag if someone complained about it being offensive. He could display it onside a locker.

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made May 31 at 2021 10:09 PM

SP5 Wilbert Jennings — Mon, 31 May 2021 22:09:58 -0400

Point is we are no longer the North and the South we are America and OLD GLORY is our flag. When enlisting we swore an oath to defend and protect our way of life as citizens of America not citizens of the North or South. I have lived in the Southern States and I understand their pride but they lost to the Union and reunited we stand divided we fall. WE have a domestic enemy dividing America as we speak and we need to be strong together or America will fail. A flag of another time or Nation isn't right .

Response by Cpl Thomas Washington made Jun 1 at 2021 4:40 AM

Cpl Thomas Washington — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 04:40:38 -0400

To maintain good orde sounds like a great idea. One stray minded individual, not even the flag bearer could cause divisions in the ranks. Explain the fact we are one “mean, green, fighting machine” and cannot afford to become unglued. Counselling would be the best option. I am black from the north, and highly respect every culture. When I was in uniform, on base, I am a mean green, fighting machine, yes, I love my Brothers no matter what color their skin is. Semper-Fi.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2021 8:46 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:46:18 -0400

None. But if you choose to have it removed, make sure you remove anything else that anyone would find "offensive," including the BLM flag.

Response by SSgt Kevin Hopkins made Jun 1 at 2021 9:02 AM

SSgt Kevin Hopkins — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 09:02:28 -0400

it employs controversy which is not conducive to any military unit

Response by SPC Rostyslaw Caryk made Jun 1 at 2021 4:10 PM

SPC Rostyslaw Caryk — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 16:10:29 -0400

Read the Declarations of Causes of Seceding States. If you don't want to plow through the full text, just do a search for the word slaves. That is the 90% reason for creating the Confederacy. If you have any reservations about "offensive", that should clear the air. The Confederates were traitors to the Union for the sake of keeping people as slaves.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

The Declaration of Causes made by Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 1 at 2021 10:51 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 22:51:36 -0400

Five year old post

Response by PO3 Scot StClair made Jun 1 at 2021 11:01 PM

PO3 Scot StClair — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 23:01:40 -0400

Still a free country, whereas Confederate flags have been ok under the 1st A? BTW those colors and the stars and bars don't run. Stars and stripes first.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2021 9:36 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 09:36:52 -0400

I couldn't tell you the official order on this however I do have a personal experience of this type of situation. I'm a white male from Pennsylvania, for reference. I had a confederate flag hanging on my barracks wall when I was stationed at Lejeune because I respect the history of the whole thing. Anyway my Major and Master Guns did a field day inspection and questioned me on where I was from and why I had the flag. I told them I appreciated the history behind it and they were satisfied with that answer. The Major, who was a strong supporter of Constitutional things, instructed me to give a class on the flag and it's history at some point. He never did ask me to in the end, but in no way was I ever punished for having the flag. I think they were just making sure I didn't have racist tendencies.

Response by SPC Edvard Svanoe made Jun 2 at 2021 8:36 PM

SPC Edvard Svanoe — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 20:36:15 -0400

If by "offensive" to some, I'd tell them to grow-up. If it was paraded around the BEQ ... problem. In someones private space... get over it. Same for crosses, Star of David, whatever. It's NOT the soldiers problem, it's the whiners. Thin skinned fools may freeze, grow up or get out. Wouldn't want the whiner on my 6.... ever.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2021 9:10 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 21:10:51 -0400

Military personnel do not have the privilege to make statements or display representation of anything other than what has been approved and ordered to do so. If a service member displays the American flag in the barracks that is your adrift and is not part of the doctrine. Whoever has that Confederate flag can most certainly keep it in his locker in her locker but displaying anything other than what is authorized and that's it there's no question. So let's ask the question should the military allow people to display the Confederate flag well no it's a state flag it's a battle flag it isn't even flown anymore hence it is rendered obsolete. It was the South's Battle flag what was the north Battle flag does that represent a pressures of economic you know Independence let me come on. Let's do one thing and the other thing I could see that is right and stop doing another thing that I think is wrong. Our states our government has no business defining any of us for anything other than human being citizen comrade service member that's it you don't get rid of racism by being racist it'll never happen. Anybody that owns a business anybody that manages someone's business you want the best you can have and it doesn't matter what culture they come from or some superficial bullcrap. So if you want to do anything that is right in this country there's only one thing else other than get rid of a firmative action and that would be anybody that owns a human being should be taken off our money I don't care who it is I don't care if it was Jesus Christ that owns slaves he should be removed and not representing I don't care what good he did. Maybe early on if he had granted freedom to the people he purchased as slaves but he benefited from there indenturment they're forced labor they're smashed culture they're isolation until the day he died. That was one thing that I really crashed an environment where nobody's bullied on because they're not with the click or some ridiculous superficial on better than you crap. I woke up to four guys and they're talking about homosexual guys and haha.. I stopped him and I said I believe it's one in four people are homosexuals they kind of looked at each other. And I said to the reason why we don't talk like that is because you made me absolutely abusing harming diminishing your battle buddy because it's got that weapon covering you and you just made him feel like a piece of crap. We do everything that we can to be family in the military to love one another because we may be dying next to each other and we have to count on each other we must be selfless to each other the military should leave the way to a world that doesn't matter what color you are what religion you are what sexual orientation follow the rules because the rules are there to create an environment that you will succeed as a warrior sailor and Aaron preparing you for durations away from home giving you the ability to cooperate amongst each other selflessly placing each other before yourself one team one fight every play every player and when you're done drinking from the cup of Truth bring it home don't let anybody change your mind we are all the same and we are all different dig it

Response by SPC David Hubbard made Jun 3 at 2021 11:08 AM

SPC David Hubbard — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 11:08:32 -0400

That is the flag of a defeated enemy. I could care less about the "history" some claim it holds. That is a flag of insurrectionists. You cannot be loyal to the United States as well as the states who tried to secede from the union. To those suggesting I and others need to "crack open a book," it would serve you will to do the same. The only Confederate flag that matters is the white flag of surrender. All those disloyal to the union need to leave the US Military and the United States.

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made Jun 3 at 2021 1:04 PM

SFC Clifford Brewer — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 13:04:26 -0400

I was born and raised up in the south and I can tell you concerning the Rebel flag there were bad people live and worship it they kill in name of this flag..and they made
sure they was in charged as I grew up I learned to respect with yes sir and no sir..a 5 or 6 year old had powerful even though we played with them..I worked hard not to be a racist ( back then one never grew up to be a man..we was labeled as boy ) I finally finished high school and moved away later joined the Army where racist was the same as I grew up but still didn’t let it change me as a person fast forward into a NCO supervise young soldiers and inspecting my soldiers room..found rebel flag hanging on the wall and the soldier who hung it was racist and I have the pleasure of a confrontation with him..he was white and I black the BDE/ Bn policy no rebel flag hanging in rooms or displayed on POV’s..we had racist soldiers hiding behind the rebel flag as my soldier was doing and night they did bad things but I turn him around before he got deep involved.. the flag came down off the wall..the flag can be good and evil it depends on the person state of mind..

Response by CPL Michael Moore made Jun 3 at 2021 8:07 PM

CPL Michael Moore — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 20:07:55 -0400

Simply follow the commander’s guidelines.

Response by SSG Shane McKee made Jun 4 at 2021 12:26 AM

SSG Shane McKee — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:26:26 -0400

If the troop in question was "white", would it be different?

Response by SPC Alisha Dick made Jun 4 at 2021 2:22 AM

SPC Alisha Dick — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 02:22:26 -0400

There is always something to take offense. For example, I was blocked by Microsoft for using my own name. I guess I can't even use my debit card to buy anything with them because it violates their community standards. They refuse to fix the issue and stand behind blocking me for using my name. My family served since the American Revolution, but their woke standards are more important. I forced a lot of sergeants and officers to reevaluate behavior after they went off the deep end thinking they were called a bad name when someone was simply using mine. My daughter was getting lectures about how horrible her name was from pre-school to fifth grade (this year). People will take offense to anything.

Response by SFC Matthew Del Rossi made Jun 4 at 2021 1:36 PM

SFC Matthew Del Rossi — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 13:36:42 -0400

None

Response by LTC Barry Ross made Jun 4 at 2021 4:29 PM

LTC Barry Ross — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 16:29:06 -0400

The answer is simple and is not subject to negotiation. Army barracks are federal property, not private property. Therefore, soldiers do not have an expectation of privacy, hence the inspection. So, the soldier must remove the flag.

Response by LTC Barry Ross made Jun 4 at 2021 4:34 PM

LTC Barry Ross — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 16:34:17 -0400

The answer is simple and is not subject to interpretation. U.S. Army barracks are property of the federal government. Therefore, there is absolutely no expectation of privacy for soldiers, hence the inspection. So the solider has no legal remedy and must remove the flag.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2021 10:07 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 22:07:22 -0400

Nothing. This is 100% legal, in a private residence, and protected by the Constitution - which you agreed to uphold.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2021 10:09 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 22:09:02 -0400

Was it impacting “order or discipline? Doubt it. Calm down, Beyoncé.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2021 9:25 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 09:25:50 -0400

Just something to consider...
How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591

How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it

In the Western world the swastika is synonymous with fascism, but historically it was used as a symbol of good fortune in almost every culture in the world.

Response by SFC Cynthia Eyer made Jun 5 at 2021 2:38 PM

SFC Cynthia Eyer — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 14:38:36 -0400

There's displaying and then there is acting upon the meaning one's interpretation of any iconic form. My policy was just that. Someone might be offended by a black Mother Mary, which doesn't mean race or nationality. It's a mystic icon. Should I require the person to remove it from their personal place. NO! I must also offer the same to all in their personal space. it's when their rights impede upon the rights of others that I am required to take action. Our world would be a much grander, more harmonious world if everyone recognized that their rights and rites end when they impede upon the rights and rites of another.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2021 2:24 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 14:24:50 -0400

This is a pretty easy one, folks. That’s not only the flag of an enemy force responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of our past brothers-in-arms but it also has been and continues to be brandished in opposition to many of the basic core values (brotherhood, loyalty) which our nation and military aspire to embody. And this isn’t ancient history; The re-integration of the Confederate banner into state flags was a direct response to the Civil Rights movement here in the US following the Second World War.
How would you react if you found a flag or banner used by ISIS or Al-Qaeda in a Soldier’s locker? Would we be respectful of the history and cultural roots of Jihadism? They’re just fighting to uphold their history and their culture, right? Hopefully we would be rightfully repelled and concerned about the loyalty and intentions of that Service Member and take appropriate measures.
Remember that we swore an oath to serve and protect the United States; honoring the Confederate and Nazi flags is a direct reproach to the freedoms that we pledge to uphold. As Christ said, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other.”

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jun 6 at 2021 8:26 PM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 20:26:18 -0400

The so-called Confederacy and it's soldiers were seditious traitors by anyone's definition. Why does any loyal American think it is a good idea?

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Jun 7 at 2021 12:01 AM

PO3 David Mabo — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 00:01:01 -0400

DoD effectively bans Confederate flags from military installations The U.S. military has now banned the Confederate flag from military installations without specifically mentioning the flag in its new policy change. SecDef made the rule. End of discussion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2021 10:47 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 10:47:18 -0400

I know that this has been up for a while, but I might as well put my opinion about it, since I am from the south, and my views have changed over the years from being exposed outside of the region. First of all, due to how old this post is, and the changes that have happened, you can't even have confederate flags on military installation, so this would already be illegal in this year(2021.) Facts aside, my own opinion, is that this flag can have the ability to be associated with hate groups, yes, but it also does symbolize part of the Souths history. I do not want to be associated with that though, and I despise those who unironically use this flag as a racist symbol, that it is indeed best to just get rid of it overall.

Response by TSgt Leigh Nichols made Jun 7 at 2021 11:02 AM

TSgt Leigh Nichols — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 11:02:02 -0400

And this type of petty BS is exactly why I retired in 2012...got sick of the crybaby BS.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jun 7 at 2021 2:16 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 14:16:29 -0400

I will preface this by saying that my great-great grandfather was a Brigadier in the 1st Louisiana Volunteers who fought for the Confederacy, and that my family has served nearly continuously in the armed forces of the U.S. since the Revolutionary War. I am proud of that record of service. That being said, the barracks is not an apartment building. While this is a complex historical period, with many difficult issues open to debate, my answer is simple: the flag of the Confederate States of America should not be displayed in the barracks of the U.S. Army, and I did not allow it in any barracks I owned. The Civil War is over, and we don't need to reopen those wounds.

Response by SSgt Maxwell Barrett made Jun 7 at 2021 7:37 PM

SSgt Maxwell Barrett — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:37:32 -0400

This month I was extremely proud to this post... How many of you are disgusted? Are you all bigots if you are?

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Jun 7 at 2021 9:45 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 21:45:26 -0400

Provide immersion or diversity training!

Response by Lt Col George Roll made Jun 7 at 2021 10:24 PM

Lt Col George Roll — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 22:24:18 -0400

Many troops from the South respect the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of their heritage not of racial oppression. I joined the Military from NY have never believed in any form of racism. I actually protested against acts of discrimination in South Carolina and Missouri when my military brothers were subject to it.
As a ltc unit commander I would not tell one of my troops to remove such a flag as long as he and his barracks mates were all OK with it and viewed it as a symbol of Southern Pride and not of prejudice or descrimination.

Response by 1SG Michael Lyons made Jun 8 at 2021 10:24 AM

1SG Michael Lyons — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 10:24:46 -0400

The commander decides.

Response by LCDR Alan Darr made Jun 22 at 2021 7:32 AM

LCDR Alan Darr — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:32:50 -0400

That flag was a very important part of our history and for many heritage. This current going PC is over the top. The Confederate Flag is now viewed as a negative. If placed in a position to incite issues--then it would have to be removed. The history can never be removed. The adage still stands--- remove our history from the books and we are doomed to repeat it.

Response by PO2 Dale Brown made Jun 28 at 2021 1:16 PM

PO2 Dale Brown — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:16:32 -0400

I am offended that you are offended. You should grow a thicker skin and quit being such a pussy

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Jun 30 at 2021 1:37 PM

COL Victor Hagan — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:37:56 -0400

I always find the discussion surrounding the Confederate Flag both interesting. Especially when it involves member of the US military. The Confederate Flag is no different than the Nazi Flag, Rising Sun Flag, North Korean Flag or ISIS Flag. The men and women that fought under each of those flags were enemies of The United States of America.

Response by SPC Brian Romine made Jun 30 at 2021 2:42 PM

SPC Brian Romine — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:42:12 -0400

Had a first 1st sgt tell me to take it down because it could be offensive. I yelled to a buddy of mine a few doors down (who was black) if it offended him. He responded with a colorful no. That was 20 some years ago. Ob a more recent note, did a little side job with a local high school kid. 4x4 pickup pulls in with a rebel flag flying from the bed and another on front license plate. Not an unusual sign in a small town. Out steps one of the biggest black kids I'd ever seen. Point is, you shouldn't automatically think the worst. After all, the swastika was actually an early Christian symbol before Hitler got hold of it.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2021 3:20 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:20:53 -0400

I would talk to the Soldier and have them take the flag down, stating that Confederate flags are not allowed on military bases, no matter how they are altered. Just verbal, doesn't need to go beyond that.

Response by MAJ Anne McGee made Jun 30 at 2021 6:14 PM

MAJ Anne McGee — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:14:58 -0400

Is there a Post or Unit Policy against flags or certain flags in the barracks? Has anybody complained about it? If the answer is, "No", to both questions then no reason to borrow trouble and make a big deal out of it. I found that soldiers typically police themselves and have no problem voicing their opinions to other soldiers they have a grievance with; it's only when both parties can't agree then you may have to step in and mediate. I can appreciate your concern, especially in today's "woke" climate, but be careful not to look for problems that may not exist.

Response by SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) made Jul 1 at 2021 4:33 AM

SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:33:15 -0400

Nothing to do. If that Soldier wasn’t threatening Anyone, posing a risk, or trying to unserp the good order and discipline of the unit it’s no different than any other political flag that any other Soldier hangs on their wall.

The less attention you give it the less negative impact it will have.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Jul 1 at 2021 10:30 AM

LCpl Richard Lally — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:30:00 -0400

I Believe that the "Stars and Bars" are an American flag even though it was designed during the bloodiest war in American History, IT was Brother vs Brother and not an invasion from abroad. Any modification would, in My Opinion, would constitute a club or novelty item from this Marines home town

Response by PO1 Bob Davis made Jul 1 at 2021 11:50 AM

PO1 Bob Davis — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:50:17 -0400

No action.

Response by Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux made Jul 1 at 2021 4:59 PM

Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 16:59:48 -0400

I'm going to jump in to this discussion although I'm an old man and served only a short time.
What is a flag? It is simply a symbol. The issue is what does the symbol represent to those who see it?
Take the multi-cultural "good luck" symbol of the "crooked cross" or, more commonly called, the swastika. While some get picky about which way the symbol points - one way is "OK", the other way is evil - I doubt that most people look closely enough at the symbol to make that degree of difference.
I think if I was in a position of authority, I'd have a small group discussion to talk about how each member of the group sees a particular flag, that is, what it means to them and how it will affect the function of the unit. To say that a battle flag necessarily represents a national policy is somewhat of a stretch. Did the shoulder patch of a U.S. Army Division (10th?) prior to World War 2 (a reversed swastika) symbolize Nazi sympathies?
We can't resolve issues which might impede the function of a unit as a unit by ducking those issues by simply banning symbols.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Jul 2 at 2021 7:31 AM

1SG Leon Espe — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 07:31:42 -0400

If regulations ban the display of foreign flags, then the display of the rebel flag would be in violation because when the South seceeded from the Union it became a foreign country.

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Jul 2 at 2021 8:41 AM

MSG Brenda Neal — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 08:41:24 -0400

I'm not sure what a rebel flag is. The south had a flag that represented a unity for them. This flag makes a statement about how people of color were subjected to abuse and how they now won't run. The eagle is a symbol of strength. If the soldier is defiant and abusive to others show him the errors of his conduct. If not, respect the flag and find a way to approach what everyone thinks of it. If it's in a locker or on display it can decided on without controversy.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2021 12:54 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:54:51 -0400

Wokeism permeates our armed forces today. Glad I’m not serving. Too much wasted time on petty BS!

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Jul 2 at 2021 2:56 PM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 14:56:17 -0400

removal and education until understanding of the inappropriate display . would black power, 1 percenter, proud boys, hells angels etal be allowed ?

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Jul 2 at 2021 6:13 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 18:13:13 -0400

None, adults shouldn't cry about things like skin, when they are preparing for war

Response by SGT Nickolas Ortiz made Jul 3 at 2021 10:06 AM

SGT Nickolas Ortiz — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 10:06:03 -0400

I love how you bowed to the Socialist Left with that asinine “While common sense “ bullshit and the “nit white” crap in your comment. 1. You’re a racist and 2. You’re week.

It’s a flag… period. Growing up, we saw that battle flag on the General Lee every week and loved the show… and it wasn’t about “race”.

If you can’t stand seeing the Battle Flag, do you get rid of the BLM flag? The LGBT flag? The Israeli or Palestinian flag? Do you get rid of the African symbolism flags?

To someone, they are ALL “offensive”… get rid of one you must get rid of all.

Response by SGT George Duncan made Jul 3 at 2021 11:57 AM

SGT George Duncan — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:57:51 -0400

have them send it home

Response by SGT George Duncan made Jul 3 at 2021 11:58 AM

SGT George Duncan — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:58:58 -0400

send it home

Response by CSM James Rollins made Jul 3 at 2021 3:39 PM

CSM James Rollins — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 15:39:02 -0400

If the rebel flag is off limits, then all other flags should be also. Only the American flag should be displayed. We all should be assimilated under one flag, The Stars and Stripes.

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Jul 3 at 2021 4:00 PM

MSG Clyde Mills — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 16:00:12 -0400

The way the (Woke Society) is today it would most likely be good advice to tell the soldier to put the flag away to keep the heat away. But in my honest advice to the soldier I’d also tell him that, that FLAG represents a part of HISTORY. Every seems to forget what items that represent HISTORY remind us of what the soldier’s fought for on both sides of the Civil war. That if he really wants to display the flag, it’s of his own free will covered under his 1st. Amendment rights to do so. But to also expect backlash from those higher up that might not like the displaying of the flag.

Response by SGT Dennis Bolin made Jul 3 at 2021 9:29 PM

SGT Dennis Bolin — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 21:29:54 -0400

Isn’t that a form of freedom of speech?

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Jul 3 at 2021 9:57 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 21:57:54 -0400

When I made E-3, I was given jobs that required me to make decisions, I think about 1/2 were bad decisions, one or two might had some damage but no injuries or deaths and I learned from them. As I advanced I got better but still sometimes I was still made wrong decisions, not one time was I ever disciplined or charged because this was the way the Military made leaders.
My supervisor made decisions that my mistake were good learning lessons, this sounds like a good teaching lesson that as a member of the Military something don’t belong in our military life.

Response by SGT Chuck Blake made Jul 4 at 2021 11:45 AM

SGT Chuck Blake — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 11:45:00 -0400

I think the standard should go back before BOSS when I was was in, you could not have anything outside of military issued items displayed, this is the MILITARY, remember you volunteered.

Response by AB James Pannone made Jul 4 at 2021 12:52 PM

AB James Pannone — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 12:52:38 -0400

1st Question: Has anyone complained? No. Let it alone, but inform the soldier that if anyone complains that you would have no choice, but to have the soldier take it down as per Army Regs.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2021 1:30 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 13:30:55 -0400

I think this was decided with the Confederate traitors' defeat, and to keep trying to hold onto tne idea of a Confederate resurgence is to betray the UNITED States uniform you wear, and the Union it represents.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Jul 4 at 2021 8:47 PM

SPC Jesse Davis — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 20:47:05 -0400

Sherman should have salted the damn earth.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2021 12:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 12:30:59 -0400

I believe there was a policy put out banning the display of the rebel flag. I could be wrong. And to everyone saying history was written by the victors, guess again. The way the civil war is taught today was implemented by the Daughters of the Confederacy in an attempt to remove the guilt of the south fighting for the right to own human beings. But I digress, is there not a disqualifying question on the enlistment questionnaire that asks if you have an allegiance to any group supporting sedition against the United States? The people defending the confederate flag are the same people who would have lost their minds when in 1948 when the military desegregated. Sugar coat it however you want, but it says something about your loyalty if you support the seditious confederacy.

Response by SGT Michael Swink made Jul 5 at 2021 12:57 PM

SGT Michael Swink — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 12:57:10 -0400

I view the Rebel battle flag just like I view the Nazi swastika. I know what they both stand for. As a true southern born and breed white male, I love the south. I love my country. I don't care for racisms in any form. I think the flag should not be displayed for public view.

Response by PFC Bart Smith made Jul 5 at 2021 4:23 PM

PFC Bart Smith — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 16:23:45 -0400

why did you enlist? for the freedom to voice your rights to free speech? history is history and you learn from that and move on

Response by PO3 Bernadette Hitch made Jul 6 at 2021 12:38 PM

PO3 Bernadette Hitch — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 12:38:38 -0400

All the flags and pictures people are trying to compare here are no comparison to a flag that stood for a group that went against the US Government, a treasonous flag. The Confederacy Was an Antidemocratic, Centralized State. The actual Confederate States of America were to inhibit or restrain the freedom of people. The Confederates built an explicitly white-supremacist, pro-slavery, and antidemocratic nation-state, dedicated to the principle that all men are not created equal. The confederate states army fought against the United States forces. People have a right to think and believe as they will of course and to display their flags however as an active duty military person or veteran of the United States forces, why would you want to display this flag knowing what it stood for. But if you still choose to, especially on a military base, yes it should be removed… has to be. It is literally a symbol of treason against the US government and country you’re a citizen of.

Response by SSG Randall Speck made Jul 6 at 2021 1:10 PM

SSG Randall Speck — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 13:10:36 -0400

Some still have the Rebel Battle Flag. I have one on my den ceiling. I'm not Racist, I just like the look and history of the underdog Southern Troopers. All my ancestors fought for the Union. That being said, the military has deemed it not to be displayed. OK, if one was found during an inspection, for now, I would not take action against the trooper. I would have him or her package it and escort them to ship it back home. If they refused, well we would have to see what the UCMJ says about that. In the past (70's and 80's) it wasn't a big deal. But in this cancel culture atmosphere I don't have a clue what the UCMJ says about it.

Response by CWO2 MaX Craft made Jul 6 at 2021 6:36 PM

CWO2 MaX Craft — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:36:35 -0400

The idea of having the flag does offend some people so I have no problem with the Top ordering it’s removal. Overlooked though is the Malcom X flag. Rules should be enforced equally across the racial spectrum.

Response by AA Charles Hadden made Jul 7 at 2021 10:28 AM

AA Charles Hadden — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 10:28:26 -0400

Maintain ORDER and DISCIPLINE, is not some freaks thin skin. Grow up and grow a pair or get the hades out.

Response by CPO Daniel Cassell made Jul 7 at 2021 10:42 AM

CPO Daniel Cassell — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 10:42:37 -0400

Treat it in the same manner as if you had found a "gay pride"flag

Response by MSG Michael Gay made Jul 7 at 2021 2:38 PM

MSG Michael Gay — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 14:38:22 -0400

Actually, prior to the largest moves forward in the Civil Rights advancement, mid 1960’s to mid 1970’s, the United States saw racial integration began to take effect. The U S Supreme Court ordered public School integration. President Eisenhower enforced that order in Little Tock Arkansas. From that point on the racists, mostly in Southern States, began using the “stars and Bars” flag as a symbol of racism. The more it was used for that purpose the more it invoked opposition. The “Rebel Flag” was mostly a symbol of Southern pride not racism. It symbolized grits, lazy hot summers, the Southern Drawl, ladies with a voice that flows like honey and a language of our own. We went huntin and fishin not hunting and fishing. Our racists were Democrats, KKK, some cops, Protestant, mostly the least educated, and were very much opposed to change and competition for jobs or higher social status. The “Rebel Flag” became a racist symbol for them and against Blacks and Yankees! An African American friend that was also a fellow Drill Sergeant said that Blacks should buy and display Rebel flags and bumper stickers. That would have been an ironic twist to the racist symbol. He did that then eventually took them off his car because no other blacks followed suit and rednecks got really angry.

Response by SPC Johnnie Robinson made Jul 7 at 2021 5:16 PM

SPC Johnnie Robinson — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 17:16:55 -0400

Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory therefore the Puerto Rican flag should not be offensive

Response by SN Joel Penhallegon made Jul 7 at 2021 7:11 PM

SN Joel Penhallegon — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 19:11:29 -0400

I would have no problem with finding it, if the individual has 0 issues with his/her chain of command. Provided there are problems, this could possibly be a sign of potential concern.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jul 7 at 2021 11:02 PM

LTC Charles Patchin — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 23:02:23 -0400

I believe it has now come to the point where no flag of any type, unit, group nation or formerly existing entity should be displayed anywhere so that no one can be offended. With the destruction of any emblem which one can take pride in will make everyone equally morally destitute. When the minimum wage is paid to an E-1 and only 35 hour work weeks are allowed for all ranks then, possibly, can the almighty dollar sign be uprated and saluted. But, that can only be accomplished when all advancement is conducted based on sex and race. Yee hah, mo fo.

Response by TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson made Jul 9 at 2021 2:22 PM

TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 14:22:19 -0400

Frankly, this is a non-issue that has been an issue since before I enlisted in 92. I retired in 12 as a section leader. Had one of my troops complained about it to me, I would have countered by telling them to come up with a reasonable argument against the display to challenge them to think and not be a snowflake. Furthermore, I would have had those responsible for the display to also make a reasonable argument to defend it's display. Ultimately, had I had a direct order to see to its removal, I likely would have questioned it and slow walked the execution of said order. The exceptions would have been if I perceived the display to have a malicious intent and thus not compatible with good order or if we were deployed OCONUS where I do not believe the display would be appropriate, given presence of foreign nationals.

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Jul 11 at 2021 9:07 PM

SGT Michael McMahon — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:07:54 -0400

I was born and raised in the North, and once I learned about "War for Southern Independence", I will defend the rights of Southerners as they are still being mischaracterized! I did my own research in history books, before they were blackwashed in the 21st Century, I know the real reasoning for that war, and it WAS NOT A CIVIL WAR, as a "Civil Wr"o seeks to take control of the nation, the Confederacy simply wanted to leave the union, like their grandfathers and great grandfathers did 85 years earlier! The primary cause of the War was that the Industrial barons in the North did not want to lose their power over the "primitive" agricultural farmers in the South, by paying for their point of view to control the Congress and the Presidency. Through the improper influencing of the Congress, the South was being taxed differently, were prohibited from conducting trade with the old world, and could only sell their Products to the North, and the Industrial barons set the prices so low to prevent the south to come out of poverty, and prevent them from being able to gain any influence in Washington, DC. The result of that was the need for the continuation of slavery in most of the Confederate States. with Georgia being the only Confederate State that banned slavery prior to the attack on Fort Sumpter. All that the South wanted was equal protection and rights under the Constitution, which the Northern States did everything they could to prevent!.

With all that being said (knowing the truth behind the flag), and being that I swore to Support and Defend the CONSTITUTION, and not to any individual or group of people, I would do nothing, as the attempt to wipe away any remnants of the War for Southern Independence, and to continue the narrative that it was solely and principally about slavery, is nothing less than Stalin and Lenin did in Russia/Soviet Union; Hitler did in Germany, or the Chinese Communist Party did in the late 1940's, and that is to erase and rewrite history to fit the desires of the Marxist Ideologies. Those Ideologies are a clear and present danger to the Constitution of the United States, which is the True Federal Government, and not the Partisan Politicians or Civil Servants who work for the True Federal Government. I say the Constitution is our government, as it is the only thing that prevents the partisan politicians from from becoming tyrannical, while defining the duties and limitations of all three Branches, protects the States from the people and Political Federal Government, Protects the People from the Political Federal Government and States, and Protects the Federal Government (both the true Government and the Political Government) from the States and the People. The Confederate Battle Flag, is the prominent sign to remind people of the need to protect the rights of all (States, Races, the majorities and the minorities of the Citizens), from being allowed to be trampled by anyone, without due process in a court of law, by a jury for his or her peers. So in conclusion the Confederacy stood for the what the Founding Fathers intended in the Constitution, while the Union and the Industrial Barons, stood opposed to the Constitution, thereby We all SWORE an Oath to support and Defend the Constitution, and that Servicemember is displaying a symbol of those who stood for the principals of the Constitution, while the other side was much like the British Crown to the Colonists! So No ass chewing, now Counseling Statements, no Nonjudicial Punishment and no Judicial Punishment is appropriate!

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made Jul 14 at 2021 10:13 AM

SSG Russell Busicchia — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 10:13:15 -0400

I realize that current attitudes will say it does not belong on display, but why? When I was assigned to the USASAFS Berlin some of us would use Soviet Union or East German flags as curtains. Someone might have used a Nazi flag, but I can't really remember. No one ever thought this was wrong and the command accepted it. As some of you have already mentioned the harm is in the eye of the beholder.

Response by Cpl Andrew Kotcher made Jul 16 at 2021 5:47 PM

Cpl Andrew Kotcher — Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:47:13 -0400

i personally wouldnt say anything unless there was racist literature in your room. if a rebel flag is no good then neither would blm, antifa, or rainbow flags be appropriate and any flags from any other country would be forbidden in my book as well. either we accept all cultures or none !

Response by SN Jeffrey White made Jul 18 at 2021 11:22 AM

SN Jeffrey White — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:22:17 -0400

None. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Quit being a victim of the leftist brainwashing ..

Response by SGT Thomas Carter made Aug 4 at 2021 1:45 AM

SGT Thomas Carter — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 01:45:11 -0400

The problem that I have is the revisionist wanting to change history and people taking offense to various things that have been on display for over a hundred years. If there was a problem someone should have spoken up a long time ago not now.. There are a lot of people that have value for the Confederate Flag and the Statues of military leaders who fought for the Confederacy. When these statues were first erected they had nothing to do about slavery.. They were trying to honer the individual that the statues represented. Often they were of a military leader that was from a specific state.
Nevertheless I would ask the individual what does the flag mean to him/her and if they new the original meaning of this flag/Which represented a rebellion of a few states that were trying to keep there rites verses handing them over to the federal government because before the Civil War the States had greater power the Federal Government and after the War the Federal Government had greater power than the States. I would depending on the previous questions were answered I would inform the individual that some people find this offensive and discretion should be used in how it is displayed?
If there are roommates I would speak to them privately and see if they have any objections to it being displayed, if there are no objections I would let the individual keep displaying the flag.

Response by SGT Desmond Strait made Aug 7 at 2021 4:39 PM

SGT Desmond Strait — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 16:39:21 -0400

Not too much worried about it...

Response by SSG Tim Aschauer made Aug 7 at 2021 6:12 PM

SSG Tim Aschauer — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 18:12:54 -0400

It's your soldier's giant morale patch. Let your soldier know about AR 600-15, and what the commander's opinion is. In my opinion, The Confederate soldiers were Americans too. Like it or not, it is a part of our history that must not be forgotten. Remember our history, or those who erase it are going repeat it.

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Aug 7 at 2021 7:05 PM

SSG Robert Velasco — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:05:09 -0400

Document the item and place in a plastic bag then push it up the chain of command!

Response by Peter Simonson made Aug 7 at 2021 9:14 PM

Peter Simonson — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 21:14:01 -0400

It was not a "rebel flag" ever used during the U.S. Civil War, therefore it should not be considered as a Confederate Flag. How would finding a Gadsden Flag or a "Come and Get It" flag from Texas be dealt with? This is the same thing.

I was not in the U.S. Armed Forces, being a 'sole-surviving-son' because my Father (U.S. Army, Retired, Major, Chaplain) died of service-related injuries from Korea. My niece retired as a Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army with 26 years service - However, I did serve as a certified law enforcement officer in the State of Florida for 23 years.

The last time I checked, the U.S. government recognizes Confederate soldiers exactly the same way as Union Soldiers - the U.S. Military needs to stop being "WOKE" and accepting the PC-correct liberal B.S.!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 7:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 07:22:22 -0400

First question for you is does it matter if this soldier is white or not. That implies you would treat the situation different depending on their race. Treating someone differently based on race , that my friend is the definition of racism.

Response by CPL Bruce Ailiff made Aug 8 at 2021 8:10 AM

CPL Bruce Ailiff — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 08:10:46 -0400

This was posted a year ago and the Communist rags that run this site are ginning up more division now? I really am going to have to disassociate myself from this forum if it is going to be nonsense!
Where is an image if the flag in question SFC? Is it the flag of the Confederacy or the flag of the Northern Virginian Army? What does it matter to you what a soldier keeps in their private space? A flag honoring one's heritage is not an offense or illegal. It was the Demoncrats that have twisted it into a hate symbol. I had ancestors who fought and died for freedom serving in the Northern Virginian Army and happen to have a framed one hanging over my fireplace. If that offends you, then grow a pair and grow up!
Man, what the Commies have done to our military! Bunch of snowflake pansies!

Response by CPL Bruce Ailiff made Aug 8 at 2021 8:12 AM

CPL Bruce Ailiff — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 08:12:54 -0400

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 1:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:10:18 -0400

When I was deployed to Afghanistan, on some FOBs billet space was limited so we were given rooms of troops who were gone on leave. I stayed in one adorned with Wiccan/witchcraft/Satanic flags, figures, books, etc. As I Christian, I could have been "offended" by this but as an American, I figure that troop has every right to believe in whatever he wanted. He wasn't hurting anyone so far as I could tell; he just had a different belief system. Ditto for Confederate flags. We can't assume anything; we don't know because we're not mindreaders. Unless a troop is specifically advocating for a return to slavery, an unconstitutional state of being, of course, then we have to assume as leaders that the troop is merely displaying a symbol of pride. There are many cultural differences between north/south/east/west. What about Native American cultural displays? Are whites 'offended?' And so on. We need to be careful not to overreact and to ensure that within reason, a troop's rights are protected.

Response by SPC Jeff Stassin made Aug 8 at 2021 2:21 PM

SPC Jeff Stassin — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 14:21:59 -0400

In todays age of B.S. you will politely ask for them to take it down and send it home. I was once told in 1995 that I couldn't have my high school repetition art with my name because a blocked letter name beginning with "J" looked close to a swastikas but was back wards, and it was my name in 4 quadrants mirrored on art paper, it even had a grade in red ink on it. I was told to take it down because it resembled something else someone saw, when it was far from it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 4:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 16:24:29 -0400

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Jul/17/ [login to see] /-1/-1/1/200717-FLAG-MEMO-DTD-200716-FINAL.PDF

200717-FLAG-MEMO-DTD-200716-FINAL.PDF

Response by Cpl Loel Larzelere made Aug 8 at 2021 4:31 PM

Cpl Loel Larzelere — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 16:31:12 -0400

For some reason, I missed the part in my (1960s-1970s) civics lessons where the Consitution of the United States guaranteed one the absolute right to never be offended.

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Aug 8 at 2021 7:46 PM

CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:40 -0400

If it is offensive to someone in the four many room then you could ask the owner to remove it. I always like the simplest solution the best.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Aug 9 at 2021 11:28 AM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 11:28:18 -0400

I can't speak to what this CO may do in today's "snowflake military" (sorry guys, but it really is; back in the '40s, '50s, '60s, people found more important things to get bent out of shape over than "feelings" about a flag, like the idiot who issued orders you should go out on patrol with no ammo in your weapon, for example), but I think it's past time to stop beimg so worried about the"feelings" of a few & start seriously worrying about the enemies arming up who couldn't care less about any of your feelings; who want you DEAD, just because you exist! This focus on minutia is going to get people slaughtered in a shooting war, & our civilianleadershipis utterly oblivious to just how close that actually IS, from more than1 quarter at present! If someone doesn't like the flag, he needn't look at it. Thereare "bigger", more deadly enemies lurking "out there" to worry about, than a flag!

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Aug 9 at 2021 12:45 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 12:45:37 -0400

If it not offensive let it stay, History witnessed many things both honorable and offensive and never complained.
The left wing crazies and the woke fad groupies and liberals would have everyone thinking the worst of each other and have anarchy rule running the show, we are Americans and we have a very special and uniquely rich history that the world has never seen and freedoms which are sot after by billions and you have all these crazy people trying destroy it.
simple answer if it doesn't offend it should stay but get a unit memorandum of understanding which lays out all the rules of what does and doesn't qualify and must have command approval.

Response by SGT Dale Myres made Aug 9 at 2021 2:50 PM

SGT Dale Myres — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 14:50:12 -0400

I would ask that the flag to removed as to not cause any uproar. I ancestors were on the Texas side in that conflict and I side with most of the ideas but in this witch hunting times, low profile is the better advice

Response by PFC Gary Bunch, II made Aug 9 at 2021 4:46 PM

PFC Gary Bunch, II — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 16:46:59 -0400

I would recommend that once you establish the exact violation, print it up and post it on the barracks/duty area read board for about a week. Once the order has been established to be a lawful order and publicly posted for a while-say a week, conduct a a health and safety inspection again, and if you find this "contraband" again, then you have grounds to write them up under the UCMJ, and even discipline them accordingly. Here's one that you should consult as it IS a violation of a lawful order: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/confederate-flag-military-bases-ban/2020/07/17/301e9b48-c832-11ea-a9d3-74640f25b953_story.html

301e9b48-c832-11ea-a9d3-74640f25b953_story.html

Response by SSG William Hull made Aug 16 at 2021 7:50 PM

SSG William Hull — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 19:50:39 -0400

Point in fact; the Confederacy did fight for the right to maintain slavery, they did in an act of betrayal, attack the United States with intent remove themselves from the United States control. The 'battle flag' of the confederacy represented those that supported and promoted slavery. The confederate flag has been proudly carried by groups and organizations as the KKK, the White Nationalists and other racist organization. Those are simply historical facts and the reason why some are uncomfortable with the confederate flag being displayed on government property.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Aug 16 at 2021 8:47 PM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 20:47:48 -0400

I wouldn't do anything. Its a flag that represents someone's heritage. It also has importance in US History. It is not a flag of hate as some idiots now claim.

Response by SSG Ryan Rink made Aug 17 at 2021 3:00 PM

SSG Ryan Rink — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:00:10 -0400

Just get over it, it didn't happen to you or in your lifetime. By trying to force and remove everything that offends you, that is what is wrong with race relations in America today. Race relations were a hell of a lot better Pre Barack Hussain.
And if its such a problem, why are there so many interracial marriages and relationships?
So the flag is racist and I want it removed and I protest all day for that to happen, then I go home to my white spouse. SMFH
How about shut your pie hole and do the job you raised your right hand too.
Come haters and racist, I got more

Response by SPC Floyd Hall made Aug 17 at 2021 5:26 PM

SPC Floyd Hall — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:26:46 -0400

Policy is there for a reason. Sometimes its quite stupid, sometimes its hurtful, sometimes its just.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 18 at 2021 6:52 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 06:52:04 -0400

"Not white"... what's the problem then? The Virginia battle flag isn't even the confederate flag. Freedom of speech, plus expression... you pansy ass "leaders" are looking and sounding like idiots these days. I'm sorry your troops have you commanding them.

Response by LTC Michael Dunnings made Aug 18 at 2021 10:06 PM

LTC Michael Dunnings — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 22:06:00 -0400

That flag represents a number of things and none are good inside todays military. First that flag represents traitors to our nation. They tried to break up our Union. Secondly this flag has been flown at every KKK rally since it’s inception. It is racist and if you have this tattooed on you, you are a racist! The Klan is a domestic terrorist group, bottom line. It is already a challenge to get soldiers to gel as one cohesive group and the last thing we need in our ranks are racist wearing the flag of the Klan… a domestic terrorist organization. When I was a commander that shit was not tolerated and it should not be tolerated now. I don’t need to open a god damn book to know that flag is bad for today’s Army. It is a domestic terrorist flag!

Response by TSgt Matthew Covey made Aug 26 at 2021 9:59 AM

TSgt Matthew Covey — Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:59:32 -0400

Honestly speaking, I am not sure what you speak of when you say the "Rebel Flag"? The Confederate flag had about three official versions. The Battle Flag of Virginia, which many consider the Confederate Flag (It's not) is exactly what it says it is...a battle flag. In fact, that battle flag was once used by the U.S. Navy and has significant historical value in learning about, along with the Army it is known to represent during the Civil War.
As for the regulations, they are written subjectively for a reason. As a commander or senior NCO, you need to take into account if it actually has a negative effect on moral and discipline. If it does, tell the soldier to take it down and store it. If it does not, leave it alone.

Response by SSG Rick Moncher made Sep 2 at 2021 8:14 PM

SSG Rick Moncher — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 20:14:21 -0400

Nothing

Response by SSG Alex Desha made Sep 16 at 2021 1:12 PM

SSG Alex Desha — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:12:20 -0400

Soldiers in my unit were told to remove any item that had a rebel flag on it, this was over a decade ago and the guidance clear. No excuse to have this anymore. One person commented about having a rebel flag tattoo. If I were the CO would give that person the option of a coverup/removal of the tattoo or they would be chaptered.

Response by SSG Alex Desha made Sep 16 at 2021 2:03 PM

SSG Alex Desha — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:03:47 -0400

Soldiers in my unit were told to remove all confederate related symbols. This was over a decade ago and the guidance then was pretty clear. No excuse to have any of this around anymore. Someone mentioned having a stars and bars tattoo. If I were CO I would offer them the chance to get it covered up/removed or they would be chaptered.

Response by Sgt Bobby Lewis made Sep 16 at 2021 5:24 PM

Sgt Bobby Lewis — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:24:25 -0400

That's a pretty simple one, you take it down. It is a symbol of "Southern Pride" to some and a symbol of "Racism" to many others. Nobody in the military has a "right" to hang anything in there room, so common sense would be to take it down.

Response by TSgt Linda Assenco made Sep 16 at 2021 7:00 PM

TSgt Linda Assenco — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:00:49 -0400

As a African American, I’m not offended nor do I associate the confederate flag to racism. I don’t think it should be a violation as other culture and ethnic groups are able to display and hang their own country flags. However, if the flag displayed the letters. KKK, then yes it’s associated with Racism and bigotry as this should be a violation of oath to serve and protect All people despite their skin color, religion, or culture. What kind of article violation did the person receive by having a confederate flag displayed during an inspection?

Response by CPL Jackson Xiong made Sep 16 at 2021 7:46 PM

CPL Jackson Xiong — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:46:19 -0400

Yes, let’s crack open a history book and examine the origin story. The confederate flag, which was the stars and bars, represents a blatant endorsement of slavery, of which the battle flag of N. Virginia, also equally endorsed. So you’re willing to tell me that your heritage rest in the endorsement of slavery? I’m not even mentioning what atrocities have been committed under each flag, as I recall the US Constitution clearly is a living document, which I might add you swore an oath toward. It has literally changed with its time and people, can you say the same for the confederate battle flag of N. Virginia? I also do not recall anyone celebrating the Cinco de Mayo in France, nor have I personally seen anyone celebrating the Pearl Harbor attack in the US. Context matters, if you want to point fingers then consider this for a moment. The United States won the Civil War in 1865 and supposedly established this funny idea of equality? Over a hundred years later, 1950-60s/ the American Civil Rights movement, African Americans are still fighting to end segregation and discrimination. So you tell me, did the idea the rebel flag stands for subside? Or are people still clinging to these notions and perceptions of this “antebellum southern lifestyle”? Furthermore, did you not-if you are in fact a US soldier- swear an oath to the Constitution, not the confederacy, to bear true faith and allegiance. Sure I can be proud of my national heritage, but it’s not remotely an analogous comparison to say your love of your southern heritage that explicitly endorsed slavery is the same as someone having pride in being from Nevada over Oregon. No one from either state has tried to enslave an entire ethnic group recently nor does it validate that type of mindset. So tell me about this profound southern history and how the rebel flag plays such a prominent role in it? Because the two are not mutually inclusive, unless you subscribe to “certain” ideas…

Response by TSgt John Brody made Sep 16 at 2021 9:49 PM

TSgt John Brody — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 21:49:03 -0400

Give him a pat on the back and a smile.
Anybody in the military that can't handle a rebel flag in the barracks shouldn't be in uniform...too much of a snowflake.

Response by PO1 Christopher Gómez made Sep 16 at 2021 11:23 PM

PO1 Christopher Gómez — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:23:40 -0400

The easiest response to this is that last year, SECDEF Esper put out a new policy on flags that effectively precludes the Confederate flag and other such flags as they are averse to “good order and discipline, treating all our people with dignity and respect, and rejecting divisive symbols.” (Disckstein, 2020). All other considerations are secondary to this policy.

As an NCO, I would have explained to my subordinate why they cannot display such a flag and then requested that they remove it. If they did not within a reasonable timeframe then I would make it a formal order and take appropriate disciplinary action if their refusal continued. I always tried to be fair, open, and honest with my troops and believe that treating everyone with respect is the best general policy. That being said, there are times you have to be more assertive.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/new-pentagon-policy-limits-what-flags-can-be-displayed-by-troops-effectively-banning-confederate-flags-1.637921

New Pentagon policy limits what flags can be displayed by troops, effectively banning Confederate...

The new policy comes after weeks of rigorous debate within the Pentagon’s highest levels about the Confederate battle flag’s place on America’s military posts.

Response by SPC John Donovan made Sep 17 at 2021 12:50 AM

SPC John Donovan — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:50:05 -0400

I see no problem with it. The Confederacy is a part of our history. I'd not salute the Confederate flag but why try to hide it?

Response by SGT Jeff Nolan made Sep 17 at 2021 7:02 AM

SGT Jeff Nolan — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 07:02:48 -0400

None, simple as that.

Response by SPC Kevin Moon made Sep 17 at 2021 7:53 AM

SPC Kevin Moon — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 07:53:39 -0400

Commanders directive would be the place I’d start looking for guidance

Response by SPC Kevin Moon made Sep 17 at 2021 7:54 AM

SPC Kevin Moon — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 07:54:05 -0400

Either that or bring it up to my senior for insight

Response by SGT Jack Baxter made Sep 17 at 2021 3:17 PM

SGT Jack Baxter — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:17:24 -0400

Just ask the soldier to please take it down so no one can make a big deal out of it. Sadly with today’s political correctness to many people have no tolerance and are looking for something to be offended by.

A simple common sense request with an explanation often works better that running to the book for a punitive solution.

Response by SPC Matt Crawford made Sep 17 at 2021 4:05 PM

SPC Matt Crawford — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:05:52 -0400

Piss your panties and Hoist up a Rainbow Flag in its Place?

Response by SPC Travis Hughes made Sep 17 at 2021 6:56 PM

SPC Travis Hughes — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 18:56:29 -0400

My thoughts are, stop being a pussy

Response by SSgt Mark Scott made Sep 18 at 2021 1:36 PM

SSgt Mark Scott — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 13:36:41 -0400

I would get creative and make that soldier do a book report on “A people’s history of the United States.” It’s fucking 2021. There’s nothing celebratory about a nation or confederacy built upon corruption and selling people into bondage.

Are you kidding me “who determines this is a violation?” The questions are why is it there, and why is this person in the service? Better yet, why are you even trying to justify this. You are showing your ineptitude. There are real problems in the world, one is not guess who gives a shit about soldier smuckatellies “feelings” being hurt?

If they feel they have the right to brandish something like that then you can show them the door and and thank them for coming. There is no place for that in any branch. Anyone who can’t deal with the ugly and complicated history of the US and the rest of the world has no right to try to change it so it suits them. The fact that you are saying that Bullshit of its not within these regulations, is bullshit. You can fucking make the change and set the example. It’s the fucking MILITARY not the March of dimes. Maintain some discipline.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2021 2:05 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:05:15 -0400

Do nothing. Unless there is a policy about flags being hanged in rooms, there is no violation. It is free speech, whether American, Mexican, Italian, Gadsden, GAY pride and yes, the Confederate battle flag (not rebel) flag. This is history and certain politics have used it a tool of division and hatred. A forced removal or punishment would be a violation of the soldiers 1st Adm rights. ALL or NONE!

Response by CPL Sean Browning made Sep 18 at 2021 3:33 PM

CPL Sean Browning — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 15:33:47 -0400

As a southern man , I understand the heritage meaning of the confederate flag. However , KKK And other survivalists , anarchists use the flag for radical reasons . I would have a confidential conversation with the soldier first to see where his loyalty lies. Secondly I would consult with commanders and Sargeant Majors on their impressions and discretion of policy regarding the flag . Most view the flag as heritage and nothing more while others view it with radical views it’s important to talk with the soldier first and gage wether innocent or guilty of extremist views secondly consult with the first Sargent or Sargent major and commanders on policy . Historically speaking blacks and natives fought on both sides of the civil war

Response by 2d Lt Scott Miller made Sep 19 at 2021 12:37 AM

2d Lt Scott Miller — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:37:08 -0400

If a member of the U.S. Armed Forces feels the need to display the Confederate battle flag as a means to celebrate and glorify a regime that seceded from the United States over the right to own people of color as property, then you might want to help them re-evaluate their priorities.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Sep 19 at 2021 1:35 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:35:40 -0400

Sounds liie the OIC has the final say. But if I ever screwed up and became an Officer and a
Gentleman I'd happy-dance all around the parade groundto have a soldier in my command who wnted to fight for anything. The Stars and Bars was the battle flag of the forces fighting for their rights which, (despite whiners dogma) was states' rights. Current dogma maintains slavery was the contention which it was not regardless of how I feel about slavery (it reelly really sucks). Let the flag fly, snookems.

Response by CW2 Michael MacInerney made Sep 19 at 2021 3:29 PM

CW2 Michael MacInerney — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:29:51 -0400

People are most often hurt by their impressions than reality. I never wore necklaces or had tattoos but they did not offend me. The Rebel flag may be offensive to some if it is displayed in certain ways, but so might other flags. The current political environment seems to make people judge badly because many just do not know what could be inferred as bad. So nobody quite knows who to trust, what will get them admonished/punished, and if a wrong word/mistake will ruin their career.

Response by PO3 Phillip Byron Smith made Sep 20 at 2021 7:23 AM

PO3 Phillip Byron Smith — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:23:54 -0400

the rebel flag was just the battel flag and not the actual flag of the southern republic.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2021 12:44 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:44:39 -0400

- is the flag representative of an enemy of the United States?
- unlike Japan the US has no treaty or partnership with the Confederacy rendering comparisons mute.
- The flag has been co-opted and used as a symbol of hate and oppression.
- I agree, read about it. All of it.
- here is a perspective you may have not considered:
I swore to defend the Constitution and your freedom to display any flag you wish. But for the life of me how do you not understand that when there are Confederate symbols being displayed outside of government institutions, an African American may have grave doubts in that that very institution.

or
another perspective:
Would you be ok with soldiers displaying a replica of the ISIS flag in honor of the bravery of ancesters but not their cause?

Response by PO1 Milton Wiseman made Sep 20 at 2021 9:25 PM

PO1 Milton Wiseman — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:25:14 -0400

Refer to the regulation, commanders discretion. It's their call, but ask yourself, should this be an issue? Has anyone complained? There are many issues that need to be dealt with, training, budget, equipment and the like.
Think how many soldiers have seen this flag and said nothing, it does not matter except to some WOKE inspecting officer of NCO, looking for some kind of recognition. If there is a issue, the authority exists to have it removed, otherwise let it alone. It is in the soldier's room. It's hard to believe we are even discussing this issue of no issue. Just a thought.

Response by PO1 Charles Mitchell made Sep 21 at 2021 2:55 AM

PO1 Charles Mitchell — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 02:55:22 -0400

Anything is offensive if the person thinks it is so. I have friends of different ethnic backgrounds in and out of the military that fly the “stars and bars” at home.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 8:47 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:47:31 -0400

Just read the history, and follow the regs, if it offends the order and discipline of the unit, rather its squad, Plt, or company? There must be a class or training session prepared and perform by the ones that want to display the rebel flag. And at the end of the presentation take a vote of yes or no to maintain the offense?

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Sep 21 at 2021 10:28 AM

SN Dale "CG" Veach — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:28:28 -0400

People need to get over the "implied" racist context of the rebel flag. MANY black fought for that flag as a part of THEIR heritage. History is just that...history. It's over. NOthing to see here, move along.

Response by MAJ Carlos Suarez made Sep 21 at 2021 12:27 PM

MAJ Carlos Suarez — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 12:27:48 -0400

The flag is private property. As long as it is not displayed in a public place, nothing should be done.
To some it is a symbol of history not racist but I understand that some would be offended, that is why it should not be displayed in public.

Response by SGT Jdhddjcott Wellerehdsnsjwdnss made Sep 21 at 2021 1:59 PM

SGT Jdhddjcott Wellerehdsnsjwdnss — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:59:32 -0400

Enough with the social experiment in the military. Nothing wrong with the confederate flag. Don't like it go cry somewhere else.

Response by Maj Tim Neylon made Sep 22 at 2021 10:02 AM

Maj Tim Neylon — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:02:28 -0400

The battle flag was flown by an adversary combatant nation established partly to continue subjugation and enslavement of blacks. Regardless of US actions/history, I feel the rebel flag should be consigned to the history books. I’ve yet to meet a true “State’s Rights” bearer of this flag.

Response by PO3 Francis Coughlin made Sep 23 at 2021 6:10 AM

PO3 Francis Coughlin — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:10:07 -0400

I agree.. Regardless of this so called new movement it is still American history and histiry should be respected

Response by SGT Jeremy Andrews made Sep 23 at 2021 8:18 AM

SGT Jeremy Andrews — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 08:18:34 -0400

Personal feelings regarding the “Rebel” Flag aside, are we no longer following the orders of the officers appointed over us? SecDef Mark Esper on 2020JUL17 put out an official DOD All Branch Memorandum effectively banning the Confederate Flag on all Military Installations. Again, I agree the Colors, Red White and Blue, do not Run, it is a personal subject to some on its meaning. That being said, when we took the oath, put in the uniform and laced up our boots it was under the Flag of The United States of America, not the confederate south, Ireland, Mexico, Poland or wherever anyone’s ancestors may be from. Professionally I would have counseled the soldier and told him to pack it away or dispose of it accordingly to his or her beliefs.

Response by SPC Kelly Weigel made Sep 23 at 2021 2:02 PM

SPC Kelly Weigel — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:02:07 -0400

Someone needs to crack open a book and it looks like it's you. I grew up in the south, and for a while even defended that flag...then I actually did research.

The Dixie flag represents the Southern stance on the Civil War and the southern stance was that whites where superior to African slaves not only in their eyes, but the eyes of their (Christian) God. The States didn't leave because they were being told what they could and couldn't have. They left because they fundamentally believed the white race was superior. Per their own words, the very definition of racism, drove their succession from the Union and that flag represents that view.

Jefferson Davis: "You too know, that among us, white men have equality resulting from a presence of a lower caste, which cannot exist where white men fill the position here occupied by a servile race."

Governor of Georgia the night before succession: "The negro is in no sense of the term his equal. He feels and knows this. He (white men) belongs to the only true aristocracy, the race of white men...he (white men) raises his children with the knowledge, that they belong to no inferior cast..."

Casus belli (justification for war)-

Texas: "all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator..."

Mississippi: "none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities to the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow to commerce and civilization."

Louisiana: "The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to reserve African slavery."

South Carolina: "has aided in some States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens."

Every State's justification for their succession specifically mentions slavery as their entire motivation for leaving. That's a fact.

Response by CPT Edward Baker made Sep 23 at 2021 5:39 PM

CPT Edward Baker — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:39:19 -0400

Why people choose to give an object so much power is beyond me. For a Southerner the flag is a part of southern pride. It represents the fact that they are from the south. It represents family members who where lost in the civil war. But for most it is just about being the Rebel and saying I live my life my way. If there is blame to be put on this then Blame " The Dukes of Hazzard."

To answer your question, it would all depend on the WHY. WHY does he or she display it. What does it represent for them? Only by understanding the WHY can you make a good decision. This is true for all questionable things, because, no matter what it is these days it will offend someone. Everyone has the freedom to do and to complain about everything. So bottom line, if it isn't negative to the mission and doesn't interfere with the mission then charge forward.

The Military, Army, I was a part of was about two things. We are not male or female, we are soldiers. We are not White or Black we are all Green. It was about Unity, we are stronger together.

I do hope that one day people wake up and realize, that as long as you give any object power over you there will always be people who use that power over you. The day we stop giving things, like the flag power, we take that power away.

As far as the history goes we will never know because we didn't live in that time. It doesn't matter who or what you read. No matter what it is, its written from their point of view. For ever positive there is also a negative and vise versa. At 53 years of age I have seen it change from one thing to another and it will change again. That is freedom.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Sep 24 at 2021 12:14 AM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 00:14:47 -0400

I really don't care which way you see it, WITHOUT a written policy or regulation, do nothing.
1st amendment still applies.
I might say something different, if there is a room mate who has an issue.

If there is an actual regulation or policy (I really don't know), tell him/her to take it down before he offends some whiney a$$ed B--- uh, birdbrain, and get themselves in trouble.
Have whatever policy or regulation on hand to support the action/directive.

Response by SPC Jasen E. made Sep 24 at 2021 12:47 AM

SPC Jasen E. — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 00:47:51 -0400

I'm very concerned with how the military plans on winning battles in stressful situations when so many lose their mind over a picture. How does being offended by a flag rate so high? The people who join the military today do know that they are joining a fighting force that is expected to go to truly hellish places where bad people are going to be shooting at them, right? If the bad guys are really smart, they would be reading rally point. This topic shows them that all they need to do to cause dissension in the ranks of the U.S. forces is use a megaphone to shout offensive things at our troops. We'll just go ape $h!t on each other. Not agreeing with every single person is just a fact of life. It's not a crime. It is what makes life worthwhile. I, for one, would be horrified to live in a world that thought, lived, felt, and understood everything exactly like I do. Some of my best friends are the ones I disagree with the most. I was taught to value those differences. The only view I want to press upon others is for people to just let people be who they want to be and live how they want to live and express themselves the way they want to express themselves. Those who don't like those things in others, move on.

Response by Sgt Barry Russo made Sep 24 at 2021 8:49 PM

Sgt Barry Russo — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 20:49:58 -0400

If we condemn the opinions of the loosing side we become a dictatorial society. I didn't see Rebels burning down towns, police departments, churches and municipal building. Is a Rebel flag worst than a Black Lives Matter sign? I don't think any Rebels living today had slaves.
I think everyone deserves their space. Leave the Flags of our History and Monuments alone.

Response by PO1 Michael Garrett made Sep 25 at 2021 12:25 AM

PO1 Michael Garrett — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:25:31 -0400

This is an interesting question now, even though it was first asked several years ago. Our current leaders are hell-bent on erasing anything that resembles Confederate history. In 1906, the US government agreed to take over maintenance of Confederate cemeteries. In the following decades, numerous camps and forts were established, with the names of Confederate generals. This was to show the the wounds of the Civil War were healed. Today, we have certain leaders who wish to create dissension. This issue is a very minor one and yet it is being used to divide and sow discord in society.

Response by PO1 Michael Garrett made Sep 25 at 2021 12:28 AM

PO1 Michael Garrett — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:28:39 -0400

Response by MSG Charles Kaiser made Sep 25 at 2021 10:29 AM

MSG Charles Kaiser — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:29:27 -0400

Sing Dixie and drive on in other words you have no clue

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Sep 25 at 2021 3:41 PM

1SG Michael Farrell — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:41:29 -0400

Thirty years ago, I found the Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia hanging on the wall of the room of a couple of my best soldiers. This had begun to looked at a bit crookedly but again, there was a real lack of direction. In the life of a soldier, it can be amazing how many things present you with those sorts of questions. In this case, I asked my soldier why he was displaying it and how he thought his fellow soldiers thought about it. Of course, the soldier wanted me to tell him what to do but I thought the point I was trying to teach was more important. Next inspection, he had taken it down. I wish I had known Lee's answer when asked the same thing after services in his church two weeks after Appomattox. "Wash it, fold it and put it away forever."

Response by CPT Daniel Rodriguez made Sep 25 at 2021 10:31 PM

CPT Daniel Rodriguez — Sat, 25 Sep 2021 22:31:45 -0400

It's the commander's responsibility to create the positive and productive atmosphere by establishing policies within the unit. The policy will dictate what is or isn't appropriate to maintain order and discipline.

Response by SSG Rene Uhler made Oct 27 at 2021 7:07 PM

SSG Rene Uhler — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:07:52 -0400

None I came from Germany I'm born and raised with German I immigrated in the 60s I made my sister ship in 1965 and I served my country from 1971 19 92 and I'm proud to be an American

Response by SSG Rene Uhler made Oct 27 at 2021 7:08 PM

SSG Rene Uhler — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:08:32 -0400

And I believe we do have the right a freedom of speech in this country and the confederate flag is just another piece of material emerging flag is the only thing that matters to me

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Oct 29 at 2021 7:58 AM

PO3 Dale Olson — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 07:58:50 -0400

I would ask the soldier to not display it per regs. Right, wrong or indifferent it's his personal choice.

Response by SrA Chad Proctor made Oct 29 at 2021 8:50 AM

SrA Chad Proctor — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 08:50:22 -0400

Big difference here is that the “rebel flag” was the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia. The civil war was an armed insurrection against the United States. I understand that flag raising some eyebrows. Yes the American flag has had its low point but you’re in the American military not an enemy or former enemy’s military where it could be found offensive.

Response by Cpl David Williams made Oct 29 at 2021 9:22 AM

Cpl David Williams — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:22:17 -0400

If the Confederate flag is found in a barracks and it offends, I would tell the offended party to grow up.

It is a flag. When you look at it, you put your meaning to it. If all you see is bad well then, don’t look at it.

I have a 30 foot flag pole in my front yard with a 4 x 6 Confederate flag on it and right below it I have my USMC flag flying. I fly it in Indiana. If it offends. It offends.

All these spineless men and women in the military these days concerns me. Our military needs more Col. Jessup’s and less of the faggity Tom Cruises.

China and Russia our dying to eat our lunch and we are concerned about a flag and whose feelings it may hurt. Man! Are we screwed.

David T Williams

Response by SPC Paul Watson made Oct 29 at 2021 10:42 AM

SPC Paul Watson — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:42:53 -0400

I think we must consider the times we are in today. Historically that flag was Divisive to the extreme of a civil war. Today it still Carries a heavy meaning of division. Today we need less division. It’s about as much of what that flag means to someone who sees it as it is to those who display it. In the military we are stronger with less division and more union.

Response by SFC William Linnell made Oct 29 at 2021 12:16 PM

SFC William Linnell — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:16:15 -0400

Morning. OK SFC. I believe the Confederate flag itself didn't start to become a problem until around early 90s which I noticed when I went back to Germany. And the big hype of Malcolm X was popular. So there were t-shirts, hat, posters, flags that were black with the silver X. Disgruntled people started complaining. It's great to know the Regs, FMs & TMs. But with the regs sometimes there's some grey areas and one must use common sense in handling it correctly. And as a SFC, I would advise to handle it at your level as much as possible. Especially when it's your Soldier. If it's a Soldier that isn't White/Caucasian, talk to them to find out why and what it means to him/her. If none of the other Soldiers bitched about it, then it's a none issue, so don't make it one.
I looked up your description of the flag and I don't see anything wrong with it. All its showing is the bars and stars with a Bald eagle which is America's Nation Bird/Symbol. And with "These Colors don't run" is I feel that Soldier is making a statement on their steadfastness and loyalty. No different then the yellow flag with snake and writing Don't tread on me.

I wish you Luck SFC. It's a great experience. :)

Response by PO2 Chuck Etheridge made Oct 29 at 2021 1:31 PM

PO2 Chuck Etheridge — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:31:50 -0400

I'm not sure the flag should spark disciplinary action, but I'm not sure the flag of any foreign nation (and the "Rebel Flag" is a foreign nation) should be on display in public places in a US military installation.

As has been pointed out, our armed services have military personnel of a variety of different races and ethnicities. If a Japanese-American service member, proud of his heritage, or a Mexican-American service member, proud of her heritage, displays the flag of another country in a personal space, it's an expression of that person's heritage.

The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, sometimes called the "Rebel Flag," was never the official flag of the Confederacy. However, it is one of the flags of a country that 1. rebelled against the United States, 2. attacked the US, and 3. killed US servicemen.

I think the larger question is if it's OK for flags for countries that were once hostile to the US to be present on the US military bases. It's not a simple question. At one end of the spectrum, people have their own heritage that they are justifiably proud of. On the other end of the spectrum, people remember fighting against foreign nations and what those conflicts were like. There are probably many perspectives in between.

My father, for example, went to his grave with bitter anger toward the Germans who'd killed his buddies in the 10th Mountain, his WWII unit that he was justifiably proud of. But he didn't hate all Germans. But he, and centuries of American service members, have fought to keep a foreign flag from ever being raised in or above our nation's capital.

When the "Rebel Flag," the flag of an enemy hostile to the United States, was raised in the US Capitol earlier this year, I was furious as a veteran who had served to protect the US and its flag from enemies. As someone who has Southern roots, I don't think we should ignore or varnish over all of US history, both good and bad (and there has been both).

I use my father as a guide. He would have said that, in personal spaces, people be allowed to keep and display flags represent their personal heritage. He wouldn't have been happy if someone had displayed a German flag, but he would have said he fought to defend the rights of people to disagree with him.
He also would have said in public places, places that officially represent the United States of America, foreign flags should not be displayed (unless foreign dignitaries were visiting). Since the Rebel Flag the flag of a foreign country, it should not be officially displayed.
I think his would be a reasonable compromise.

Response by Maj Howard Clarke made Oct 29 at 2021 4:56 PM

Maj Howard Clarke — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:56:22 -0400

So, what is your take on someone having a Nazi symbol on their body. Yes, it is part of history, but you need to ask yourself - what does it symbolize? Do we look forward and live in today based on what we've learned from the past; or do we continue to live in the negatives of the past - what do you gain from that? The world is changing and we need to adapt to the positives, not the negatives.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Oct 29 at 2021 8:10 PM

SPC Robin Price-Dirks — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 20:10:19 -0400

Because of my birth place (Atlanta, Ga.) and strong southern accent, not to mention my CB handle being "Dixie" I was given many items that had the confederate flags on them. None of this was racist just teasing fun, I even had a birthday cake with a rebel flag on it, tasted just like cake which I shared with everyone...............

Response by SSG Richard Bladl made Oct 29 at 2021 8:49 PM

SSG Richard Bladl — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 20:49:58 -0400

What is the big deal about the rebel flag it is part of this countries history and the few that dislike it have no idea what it stood for and the lives lost on both side. If someone complains tell them just don't look at it.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Oct 30 at 2021 8:35 AM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:35:34 -0400

You are correct what is offensive to one Maynotbe to other. Knowing that that flag is not the original flag does not take away my pain. When I see a black power flag I love it, at ft Campbell Kentucky we could not fly flags that saying proud to be black? But we constantly saw rebell frags in housing in the window and some flow in the wind? I inderstand completely that what's hurtful to one might bring joy to the other. So if someone is allow to fly are have anything except the American flag that would mean you open up more hate and division. It would mean you can fly flags with swastika or flags of our enemies are anti abortion or pro life and the list goes on. When the national anthem is playing if I were active duty could I Neal? As fare as religious beliefs you have to honor their beliefs but that has noithing to do with a flag, a rebel flag is not his religion! My personal opinion and I am allow to have is that any other than an American flag is treasonous. The south lost in their war against the south! The are the loosing team! Ti the Victor goes the spoils! Since he wants to honor the looser let him join them! No article 15 because he new the deed was wrong! Send him to work at the lynching memorial in Alabama or the holocaust museum, why holocaust museum (same ideology). Then send him home! It has noithing to do with his religion! I have a minor in religion and philosophy. You can't have a symbol that Offends the flyand bring up horror to so many. Ask Sgt major Thomas Moore whose brother was killed in kirby Mississippi how he feels about that flag! His brother was beat to death in the 60' while waiting for a ride! Ask Medger Evers family. Sort for the long post. Let the soldiers go the Army cannot Condon something that would bring division.

Response by PO1 Sharon Powell made Oct 30 at 2021 11:39 AM

PO1 Sharon Powell — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:39:46 -0400

I retired 20 years ago so I don't know what the regs say. But, this would seem to be the best step.

Response by Maj Rudolph Koser made Oct 30 at 2021 3:51 PM

Maj Rudolph Koser — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 15:51:13 -0400

This is known DoD policy to have these things removed and if you are doing inspections you should know that.

Response by SPC Ray Orvin made Oct 30 at 2021 9:18 PM

SPC Ray Orvin — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 21:18:13 -0400

No action taken! Because some states still have it on their flag example Mississippi

Response by CPO James McGachey made Oct 31 at 2021 8:29 AM

CPO James McGachey — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:29:23 -0400

If you're offended, put on your big boy pants and grow up. There is no guarantee that you can go through life not being offended.

Response by PO1 Michael Robison made Oct 31 at 2021 4:46 PM

PO1 Michael Robison — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:46:11 -0400

This issue always seems to pop up. My personal feeling would be that unless the person were calling for insurrection or the disruption of good order, I don't see how an inanimate object could be the "cause"of anything. People can be offended at many things. Some might be offended at your looks, your smell, your choice of music or a concert poster you may have hanging up of a band that they hate. My point is, unless we are saying or doing a particular thing we cannot possibly be responsible for making sure everyone else isn't offended.

There was a time in our even not-so-distant past where people used to be able to disagree. People used to be able to see things without being offended. People used to be able to be different and do so proudly.

We live in a country we're a great many of us have roots and ancestors who have come from many other places some of them closer and some farther away, but what unites us is being American.

This is no different for those of us who have familial roots here there are distant enough to have had family who fought on both sides of the war between the states. It would be a false pretense to exclaim that there was nobody in the North it's still hoped to embrace slavery and it would be equally false to say that there were those in the south who fought not for slavery but for their state.

The world was a much different place then and the state you came from meant a great deal more because federalism and our identity as Americans was such a new concept that there was not a strong national Bail Bond.

You fought for Ohio or you fought for Virginia. You fought for New York or you fought for Alabama.

Response by Lt Col Anders Bergmann made Oct 31 at 2021 5:10 PM

Lt Col Anders Bergmann — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 17:10:25 -0400

Definitely check and make sure the service-member is vaccinated (tongue in cheek). Otherwise do nothing. Political correctness is killing America.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2021 8:22 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 20:22:36 -0400

I believe the removal is in designated gathering places and buildings. It is a individual commands policy for inspections such as these.

Response by SSgt Richard Ringled made Oct 31 at 2021 10:43 PM

SSgt Richard Ringled — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 22:43:05 -0400

I would discuss why the flag was in the barracks and why they thought it necessary to bring it into the barracks. I would tell the person the flag is an important part of American History and it is ok to be proud of the flag. However because of the racial issues in America today they need to take the flag home and put it away while living in the Barracks. There is NO reason to be ashamed of the flag but it has no place in the Barracks.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Nov 1 at 2021 12:36 AM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 00:36:49 -0400

What action would I take? I hope the same action you'd take. Which is, NOTHING.

There is an active memo from DOD clearly specifying which flags are allowed for display in public areas.

That guidance specifically left out single room housing (ie barracks rooms for individual soldiers), so as much as I despise that flag and the pricks that still claim the heritage of a rebellious group, they are allowed to have it in their rooms.

Response by PO1 Thomas Kiss made Nov 1 at 2021 9:18 AM

PO1 Thomas Kiss — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 09:18:52 -0400

truth to power folks

Response by CPT Jera Anderson made Nov 1 at 2021 12:29 PM

CPT Jera Anderson — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 12:29:31 -0400

Well, this is now 2021 and the Gay Pride flag is flying over our nation's foreign embassies, endorsed by this Administration and Commander in Chief.
Guess that means the point of being butt-hurt about pieces of cloth are all moot now.
Right??

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Nov 1 at 2021 8:43 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 20:43:22 -0400

There are many good replies, so here is my two cents; what many call the stars and bars is not the real Stars and Bar, it didn’t show up till about 6 months before the end of the war.

No person in this country has been a slave or owned a slave, If your offended by the flag for slavey then you must be offended by the Democrat party for being the Confederation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2021 9:39 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 21:39:26 -0400

Remember precipitation is reality and I myself perceive it as a racist symbol so I find it very offensive

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2021 3:48 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 15:48:30 -0400

The bottom line is that flag represents heritage and tradition for many people. I personally know someone who owns a "rebel" flag that was carried into WWII by his great-grandfather. The viewpoint taken by so many in the country is that the flag only represents some vague form of racism and backwards culture, which is ultimately ignorant and culturally insensitive- something that a leader should strive their hardest NOT to be. Having the flag taken down would end up doing more harm to the soldier than the flag ever did to anyone else, and would impact your personal and professional relationship with them. I also would question if AR 600-15 is being used appropriately. How would removing the flag maintain good order and discipline? Would having it gone make anything in your unit better, or would it just make you feel better?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2021 1:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Nov 2021 13:25:39 -0400

I don’t fly the flag if traitors.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Nov 7 at 2021 10:49 PM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 22:49:54 -0500

In my opinion the Stars and Bars is no different than the Swastika and Rising Sun. All three are battle flags of defeated enemies of the United States. They're fine in a trophy case or museum, not so much in a barracks unless as mentioned, in a trophy case.

Response by MSgt James Bowers made Nov 8 at 2021 4:45 PM

MSgt James Bowers — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 16:45:47 -0500

The barracks are his home. If there are no known racist decorations then leave it alone. The history of that flag has been distorted and you should research the actual history.

Response by TSgt Mark Rinker made Nov 8 at 2021 7:49 PM

TSgt Mark Rinker — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 19:49:17 -0500

It is a battle flag nothing more, it’s part of the American history

Response by SFC Steve Ouellette made Nov 8 at 2021 8:16 PM

SFC Steve Ouellette — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 20:16:04 -0500

Uh, nothing, because I don't because I believe the 1st amendment does not only apply to what is convenient to many..... So many hypocrites will complain about that but claim other things are their right.... can't have it both ways snowflakes.... either there is freedom of speech, or there isn't, choose one

Response by SGT Mary O'Halloran made Nov 8 at 2021 8:41 PM

SGT Mary O'Halloran — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 20:41:57 -0500

You actually think the Union wrote the "history" now taught of the Confederacy? The "history" that makes heroes of traitors to the United States of America? What you call "history" is the simply the myth of the "glorious south" was allowed to flourish after reconstruction abruptly ended and Jim Crow began. Those same military leaders you still worship then became the leaders of the klu Klux klan. The history of the flag that you're so proud of, is that it was carried in battle against the military forces of the United States of America by traitors who had illegally seceded from the union. They were intent upon destroying the union so they could keep theeconomic advantages realized through slavery. You're proud of traitors and racists, and you've actually tattooed their symbol on your body. That's shameful.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2021 1:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 01:01:12 -0500

I have found stolen office supplies, drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and unregistered firearms.

A flag? Let me know when things REALLY get serious and you find an ISIS flag.

Response by CW2 William Melton made Nov 26 at 2021 1:46 PM

CW2 William Melton — Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:46:39 -0500

what do we do when we eliminat all history because a few don't like what they see or read. those who fail to remember will repeat the same mistake . is that what we want. if so then we need to delete all history. white and black and brown and yellow and red. now that we have done that how can we start over. well since yesterday is history then we have to erase yesterday. OMG where is this nation going . we cant remember or mention yesterday and we have no history books, and no monuments, no smithsonian no nothing. every day is a new day so we can repeat the mistakes we made as frequently as yesterday. oh well i wish to welcome every one to the new United States of NO HISTORY. brand new off the boat. sort of a stupid idea correct? maybe some one will agree and some wont but think about it . ne America and no history

Response by PFC Aaron Cox made Dec 9 at 2021 8:25 PM

PFC Aaron Cox — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:25:13 -0500

It is not the job of the military to be politically correct. It is the job of the military to protect and defend the constitution of the United States. It is the job of the Military to give hostile countries and parties pause to think twice before attacking our country and its people. Should they fail to conclude it is not in their best interest to attack our great nation and its people, then it because the job of the military to give them a damned good reason to regret their failure to take a better course in life. It should not matter whether or not someone has a Rebel Flag in their barracks. I would be more concerned if it was a flag of a terrorist organization, Chinese Flag, etc.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Dec 10 at 2021 5:02 AM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 05:02:48 -0500

No action, because the Confederate flag is still part of our military history. If the regs say Soldiers, Airmen, and Marines can't put up symbols relating to our history, counsel them and move on, get a freakin life!

Response by LCpl Michael J. Stokes made Dec 10 at 2021 5:53 PM

LCpl Michael J. Stokes — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:53:31 -0500

snowflake PC officers (like Milley) should be booted out of the service if commie propaganda to cause desention in the rank is discovered,charge the rabble rouser. we can't tolerate this PC crap. Or should we rely on cartoon lesbians to win our next war?

Response by SPC Alex Snow made Dec 10 at 2021 10:43 PM

SPC Alex Snow — Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:43:50 -0500

Who's room is it really? If the order is given, unless outright immoral or illegal, you don't and complain later. Take it up with JAG and IG if you need to. But when it comes to decoration in the barracks, pretty sure command will be given benefit of the doubt. Make a case direct to them. As many in this reply have said, there's a bigger picture. If one can have it, why not another? Better none than some. Why do we have the idea of the same uniform? Appearance. They say remove the flag, remove it.

Response by PO1 David Hedenberg made Dec 11 at 2021 9:45 AM

PO1 David Hedenberg — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 09:45:47 -0500

The war ended over 150 years ago. The combatants of the time made peace and went home. Maybe we should also. The flag has no legal standing and is just a rag. Let it go folks. The Union won and those who fought under Stars and Bars were restored to full American Citizenship and have since have defended her with their blood and honor.

Response by SFC Dennis Rodriguez made Dec 11 at 2021 11:30 AM

SFC Dennis Rodriguez — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 11:30:04 -0500

I never met a defender of the rebel flag that was not a racist. The confederate flag represents white supremacy. They were fighting for states right to preserve their peculiar (slavery) institution.

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Dec 11 at 2021 1:23 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:23:20 -0500

Comment on if the trooper knows the history behind his flag and determine if the flag should stay up or not per Army Regulation ONLY.

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Dec 11 at 2021 1:25 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:25:33 -0500

Ask the trooper his understanding of history of the flag and what it represents then make a determination per Army Regulation 600-15 ONLY. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

Response by SPC George Edwards made Dec 11 at 2021 9:13 PM

SPC George Edwards — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 21:13:18 -0500

Some twenty million Americans can trace their ancestry back to a proud history of the Southern struggle for freedom from unfair taxes by an unfair Federal government. One of their symbols is the flag that some call the Rebel flag. Perhaps it's time for our woke military commanders to allow those members who wish to display their flag alone. Most people could care less anyway.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2021 9:44 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 21:44:03 -0500

All the flags that were mentioned here the Supreme Court declares or a form of political speech protected by the constitution. People in the arm forces are not permitted to declare political speech. That’s a rule. I don’t know that the rule would outstrip the constitution.

Response by PFC Mart Harris made Dec 12 at 2021 7:32 AM

PFC Mart Harris — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 07:32:29 -0500

Proud of traitorous losers. You have a tattoo of a participation trophy you idiot.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2021 10:49 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:49:53 -0500

Mind your own business .

Response by CPL Henry Miller made Dec 12 at 2021 11:13 AM

CPL Henry Miller — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:13:14 -0500

Are we UNITED as in United States of America? My family from north and northwest VA split during the Traitors War. Some went North, some went South. What is my heritage?

Response by PO1 RIchard Petty made Dec 12 at 2021 3:26 PM

PO1 RIchard Petty — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:26:57 -0500

Read the article on what is a part to your question. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/07/17/confederate-flag-effectively-banned-from-military-installations/

Confederate flag effectively banned from military installations

Defense Secretary Mark Esper's guidance lays out which flags can be flown in public, and the criteria don't support the Confederate battle flag.

Response by SSgt George Sprague made Dec 12 at 2021 9:38 PM

SSgt George Sprague — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:38:00 -0500

I had one in my locker my whole time in the service and I had a Black room mate at one time. Of course that was in the 60's before the woke effect.

Response by Sgt William Brackett made Dec 29 at 2021 5:34 PM

Sgt William Brackett — Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:34:07 -0500

Nothing at all!
Much has been made about this and most of it is garbage!
Yes some groups use it for the wrong purpose!

Response by Capt John Schmitt made Dec 31 at 2021 6:48 PM

Capt John Schmitt — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:48:43 -0500

Freedom of expression, heritage, and religion/spirituality dictate that a preference toward tolerance must be favored in discernment & decisions of this sort. As a common and acceptable form of expression, nothing more than an advisory action is warranted.
In light of fairly recent politicization & gerrymandering upon the DOD; likely nothing other than government issued paraphernalia is acceptable within any government controlled space or area. A Prime reason to move off base at this era.
Typically not an option for jr. Ranks & while deployed, particularly in the Navy's Marine Transportation (Carrier Task Force) deployments. [ Imagining the flotilla of yachts providing "off ship" billotting options! ]

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jan 2 at 2022 5:46 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 17:46:22 -0500

SFC Seth King if the flag was the battle flag i might object to it. However there were a few CSA flags that included variants Flag of First Corps, Army of Tennessee; Garrison Flag of Fort Fisher, the "Southern Gibraltar” and the The Blood-Stained Banner, 3rd national CSA Flag, March 24, 1865

The Confederate States America had many flags including state flags, CSA Marine Corps Flag, various battle flags: Flag of the army of Northern Virginia [or "Robert E. Lee Headquarters Flag], Army of New Mexico, The "Van Dorn battle flag" used in the Western theaters of operation; Flag of First Corps, Army of Tennessee, and flags of native American Indian.
As a military officer who has studied the civil war for decades, and posted many civil war posts, and by God's grace I am a Christian
The history of Confederate States America is a part of the History of the United States of America. The Confederate States America Army of Northern Virginia led by General Robert E. Lee surrendered to LTC Ulysses S Grant; Confederate States America Army Of Tennessee led by CSA General Joseph E. Johnson surrendered to MG William Tecumseh Sherman; CSA General Edward Kirby Smith surrendered the on May 26, 1865; CSA Gen Braxton Bragg assumed temporary command of the defenses of Wilmington, North Carolina, and to include all of the Department of North Carolina and Southern Virginia. In November, with William T. Sherman's March to the Sea under way, Davis ordered him to the defenses of Augusta, Georgia, and then to Savannah, Georgia, Charleston, South Carolina, and in January 1865, the defenses of Wilmington again. Bragg's performance in the Second Battle of Fort Fisher was poor and he was relieved of command by Jefferson Davis. On May 1,he attended the final cabinet meeting and was instrumental in convincing Davis that the cause was lost. Bragg and a small party of his staff rode to the west and were captured and paroled in Monticello, Georgia, on May 9.'

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Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 2 at 2022 7:06 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 02 Jan 2022 19:06:10 -0500

Excuse me but could I jump in and offend some one here?
The 'war' was fought over states rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukKZIlTEDo

Bonnie Blue Flag

Response by SSgt Cynthia Hamilton made Jan 3 at 2022 6:11 PM

SSgt Cynthia Hamilton — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:15 -0500

Out it goes, and owner reported to whatever screening is in place to stop white supremacists in our military.

Response by SSgt Frank Howarth made Jan 3 at 2022 6:30 PM

SSgt Frank Howarth — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:30:40 -0500

My first reaction is to take it down, however there can be a rebel flag as a part of other flags.
The full stars and bars is offensive to my brothers and sisters of color. Personally, I don't think it should be displayed.

Response by SPC John Donohue made Jan 4 at 2022 12:48 PM

SPC John Donohue — Tue, 04 Jan 2022 12:48:17 -0500

Generally consider it protected activity by default unless there is some division. In civilian world clearly protected as free speech

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Jan 7 at 2022 7:11 PM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Fri, 07 Jan 2022 19:11:22 -0500

Ultimately, it's up to the commander. No commander can dictate a Soldier's personal beliefs, but they are the arbiters of what expressions of those beliefs may be detrimental to unit cohesion and morale. While the history of the "rebel flag" is not exactly what many modern groups would have the public believe it to be, such an item can be disruptive, regardless. If there's no evidence of the unit's morale being affected, I see no reason to have the Soldier remove the flag.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jan 10 at 2022 4:53 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:53:55 -0500

When I was a SSG filling in the Platoon's Sergeants place while he was at the old 6 month 19D E7 ANCOC School was told by my 1SG to have the soldiers take down any flags that were not the US Flag.
I talked to the 3 Section leaders (two M551 Sheridan, 1 Infantry and I was the Scout Section/Acting PSG). One was black, one was from Guam and one was Amerind. I told them what the 1SG wanted at the Health and Welfare the next morning.
The next morning the 1st Tank (the black Section Leader) came in and told I owed him $22.50. He and the other section leaders had went down to the local military surplus store and purchased 16 US Flags to replace the Rebel, Afro-American, Puerto Rican, and 7 State Flags.
The soldiers were allowed to keep their flags but we changed them out before the Colonels/Captain's Inspection.
As what we had done dawned on the 1SG (who was black) started to have a hissy-fit about the Afro-American flags but the the CSM (also black) stopped him and asked him, "Hasn't this platoon followed the Squadron Commander's (also black) orders?
Did you know that in the military you can be chewed out at the same time you're being raised up high? After that day I had acquired the prefect example of the expression, "Dammed with Faint Praise".

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2022 8:47 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:47:12 -0500

The DoD published policy on what flags can be used on military installations….the Confederate Flag didn’t make the cut, so it cannot be flown or displayed on military instillations, in any capacity.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Jan 11 at 2022 9:22 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:22:59 -0500

As an EO rep, I was told to enforce a no racist rebel flag policy. I tried to talk to the CSM and said if that is what they wanted, we would have to have a no flag policy. As brought up the other flags that were there. It is not a pick and chose enforcement policy. I tactfully informed him we would have issues. He would not listen to anything I had to say. So I informed soldiers to take pictures of other flags that were also up and nothing said. Then get as many as possible to call IG. Make complaints. Post IG would do nothing. Make complaints to post CSM. That policy got dropped in less than 6 months.

Response by CPL Christopher Thomas made Jan 12 at 2022 2:34 PM

CPL Christopher Thomas — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:34:30 -0500

I think we need to respect others history, heritage, and if the others in their barracks room have no issue with it, then there should be no reason for removal. We can label whatever inanimate object we want to offensive but that's a personal opinion and should not be allowed to overwrite someone's views or opinions. We as a society have become too sensitive with the cancel culture (censorship) that we can't have nice things and we sure as hell can't have adult conversations about them. I fly the Rebel Flag which it what the flag really is not the "Confederate Flag" as many call it. There is a diffeence, but that's for another history lesson. Let them keep it up..

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jan 14 at 2022 11:41 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:41:36 -0500

The battle flag of the traitors killing Americans to maintain slavery? Now you know who the racist troublemaker is. This rot spreads. Be vigilant.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Jan 14 at 2022 11:30 PM

COL Carl Jensen — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 23:30:21 -0500

I can't comment on it, I currently moved to rebel territory to get away from the damn Yankee snow and taxes.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Jan 14 at 2022 11:31 PM

COL Carl Jensen — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 23:31:47 -0500

Can't get this to delete.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Jan 30 at 2022 12:40 AM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 00:40:31 -0500

If the Nazi swastika had some decos like that flag, would u be comfy with it?
It's been well established that the primary basis of the Confederacy was to preserve slavery. IMO, IN NO WAY SHOULD CONFEDERATE SYMBOLS BE A PART OF THE U. S. military...!

Response by SPC Joseph Goodland made Feb 25 at 2022 4:38 PM

SPC Joseph Goodland — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:38:43 -0500

Are there any regulations forbidding you to support the flag?

Response by SPC Francis Center made Feb 26 at 2022 8:48 AM

SPC Francis Center — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:48:33 -0500

Tell Soldier to send it home.Simple as that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2022 3:36 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 15:36:30 -0500

It’s well past time that we stop justifying this. If you are displaying a Confederate flag, you are embracing racism. Full stop.

And before someone tells me it’s about history, let me preempt them and say that I fully agree. It is about the history of traitors who fought against the Union in an effort to maintain slavery.

None of that is to say that anyone shouldn’t be proud to be from the South. But it’s 2022 and the idea that we’re still “debating” the worthiness of a flag from the insurrectionists who tried to break apart the country is absolutely absurd.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2022 8:08 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Feb 2022 08:08:45 -0500

I'd have to ask that it get taken down. I understand the history of the flag, but it's not viewed that way by the general public.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2022 1:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:26:46 -0500

Sadly the “books” don’t tell the whole truth. I’m sick of hearing that the Union invaded and destroyed everything in their path as they “liberated” slaves!
As the Union had 4 legal slave states, why didn’t the Union army try and wipe out those 4 states? The Confederacy actually had blacks fighting for their cause and also paid them more than the Union paid their black soldiers!!
They love to spew racism, racist, white supremacist to fool the sheep into believing that “they” are the answer!
If only they would tell the real truth why the south seceded from the north!!
They wanted to be in absolute power just as they do now!

Response by CPO James Harrison made Mar 5 at 2022 9:58 AM

CPO James Harrison — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 09:58:10 -0500

The fool and the whore in office is a MUCH larger threat to our Nation than the rebel flag.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 5 at 2022 10:29 AM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 10:29:02 -0500

Glass house, glass houses.

Response by PFC Eric Stosius made Mar 12 at 2022 8:09 AM

PFC Eric Stosius — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 08:09:44 -0500

Just let it go

Response by SGT David Scafe made Mar 19 at 2022 8:35 PM

SGT David Scafe — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 20:35:36 -0400

Well first off if you go and read the articles of secession, the confederate constitution, or just the first page of the book “The Rise and Fall of the Confederacy” which was written by Jefferson Davis if memory serves me! And to SPC Smith history books in the south up until the mid 80’s had to be approved by the “daughters of the confederacy”! The victors didn’t write the history taught int the south the losers did. There is a big difference between someone having a German, Japanese, British, or even a Mexican flag hanging in their room over the “rebel” flag. Those are countries where people come from. Now you want to hang the Puerto Rico flag hanging in a room is the same as a state flag it’s a territory which is why you don’t need a passport to go there. I was born in Buffalo NY, most of my schooling was in Tennessee and Georgia. The confederate flag came from states that no longer wished to be part of the Union because they didn’t want to chance losing what they viewed as their property. Look it up read an actual book. Yes America isn’t and has yet to truly live up to everything we clam to be about and for. But let’s please stop diluting ourselves about what the confederacy was about and for! We wouldn’t and don’t tolerate Nazi symbols because of what they did and yes the confederacy wasn’t on that same level but they also weren’t for freedom for all. The Union wasn’t at the start also but it did come! Shouldn’t military bases be named after military members that didn’t turn there back on our country? Why isn’t there a Fort Benedict Arnold? He won a crap load of battles for the revolution! Why isn’t there a base named after Lawrence Chamberlain? His maneuver at Gettysburg is still taught. Stop idolizing people that turned their back on their country, and started the deadliest war in American history!! The south fired the first shots of the war!! Fact’s!! Please try and disprove what the south stood for.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Mar 25 at 2022 12:54 PM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:54:24 -0400

IMO, certain things are black or white. No amount of sugar coating makes fecal matter edible...

Response by SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb made Mar 26 at 2022 12:40 PM

SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 12:40:09 -0400

My opinion, if captured that flag doesn't mean anything to the enemy. We represent the USA . Want a flag stars and stripes represent US . All Americans are Yankees to the world . Nth and Sth doesn't mean shit to our enemies.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2022 1:00 AM

CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 01:00:48 -0400

The recent extremism training provided by Army leadership included the confederate (i.e., Rebel) flag as an extremist symbol. It is not allowed to be flown or displayed on a military installation.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 29 at 2022 4:33 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 04:33:00 -0400

I'd Simply Ask The Person With The Flag To Place It Elsewhere; So As To Not Bother Any Of The Others....Personally I See It As A Historical Piece Of Information, PERIOD... And It Grinds MY Ass Seeing What's Being Done To A Multitude Of Civil War Memorabilia, Especially All The Confederate Statues Throughout Our Nation.....Even Germany Retains Most Of It's War History & THAT Was During HORRIBLE Situations Which Included Torture And Murdering MILLIONS Of People...
For Those Disagreeing With My Statements, Please Allow Me To State
"Go Pound Sand Up Uris"....LOL...

Response by SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA made Mar 31 at 2022 6:44 PM

SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:44:49 -0400

If no one is complaining, there should not be an issue. If there is already an order or directive in writing, then, it should be taken down. But just because someone inspected and questions it, they should talk with their fellow leaders on what has been the on-going line of business regarding this particular flag. If you’ve been there longer than a few months, you should already know, because you should have already walked through the barracks before now and walked through this issue.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2022 8:33 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:33:33 -0400

Freedom of speech, and it’s just a flag.
Any NCO that takes negative action needs to get the shit kicked in and retake the oath

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 1 at 2022 12:51 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:51:18 -0400

The left is the most intolerant community in America. They have power and money.

Response by Cpl Brian Escobar made Apr 1 at 2022 6:22 PM

Cpl Brian Escobar — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 18:22:14 -0400

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Response by PO2 Joseph Fast made Apr 3 at 2022 9:32 PM

PO2 Joseph Fast — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 21:32:59 -0400

Nothing. keep your politics out of my military.

I do see the rebel flag as a failed democratic rebellion against the liberal republicans who kicked their rear ends, but if some idiot republican wants to fly that flag because "the south" even though that flag is a better description for democrats who wanted to keep their slaves, by all means fly that stupid flag. I will judge your intelligence, but I won't say anything to you.

I think the reason democrats hate that flag so much is that it's a reminder of their roots and what their policies actually accomplish to minorities.

Response by MAJ Luis Hernandez made Apr 5 at 2022 10:43 AM

MAJ Luis Hernandez — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 10:43:48 -0400

I would have a mandatory class on the real history of ALL CONFEDERATE Battle Ensigns and their significance as it related to the Fighting Traditions of the Confederate Army and how our modern Army has taken that Fighting Spirit and adopted it as its own. I would not tell the soldier to take down anything.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Apr 25 at 2022 1:15 AM

SPC Julio R. — Mon, 25 Apr 2022 01:15:00 -0400

RACIST, JIM CROW, TIKI TORCH CULT, MAGABOTS, YAL'QAEDA PATRIOTS AND BLUE ISIS GOONS

Response by Capt Ken Bergeron made Apr 28 at 2022 5:01 PM

Capt Ken Bergeron — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:01:35 -0400

I would have it removed for the good of the unit. Subsequently I would present the "cause" of the Civil War history to the entire unit. "Symbols" can be offensive and to allow this display would show I was unfit as a commander. In America today "all men and women are created equal".
KB Captain, USMC

Response by SSG Richard Hoffman made Apr 28 at 2022 11:41 PM

SSG Richard Hoffman — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:41:59 -0400

I would leave it be unless I started to receive complaints about it. I feel the Rebel Flag is part of America's history. I am also against the destruction & removal of Confederate statues. This is part of our history. Many good men on both sides lost their lives on the battlefield.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Apr 29 at 2022 4:57 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 04:57:38 -0400

What Would I DO?
Simple, I'd Simply Ask It's Owner To Keep It With His Other Possessions,
But Not Have It Displayed On His Walls.
I Doubt I'd Push The Violation Issues,
Even If It Were A Violation.

Response by COL George Reed made Apr 29 at 2022 12:25 PM

COL George Reed — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:25:43 -0400

Here's what the DoD Instruction says on the matter: "Military personnel must not actively advocate supremacist, extremist, or criminal gang doctrine, ideology, or causes, including those that advance, encourage, or advocate illegal discrimination based on race, creed, color, sex, religion, ethnicity, or national origin or those that advance, encourage, or advocate the use of force, violence, or criminal activity or otherwise advance efforts to deprive individuals of their civil rights." Take it down with confidence. There's only one flag that flies on our federal military installations and that is Old Glory.

Response by Sgt Pete Kondrosky made Apr 29 at 2022 1:06 PM

Sgt Pete Kondrosky — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:06:54 -0400

I never HAVE, nor currently have, a problem with the Rebel Flag.
Besides...it was the Democrats that started the KKK, and there is documented visual PROOF of that. Soooo... the so-called pretend issue, "OH, I am offended, and all THAT crap. is just THAT...CRAP and BULLS**T. !F any, the so-called "offense"...oh MY...HORRORS!" (and YES...EXTREME sarcasm) should be focused to the VERY party and its members that PRETEND to be offended...NOW!

The Rebel Flag is part of our HISTORY...get OVER yourselves...

Response by SSgt Craig Rice made Apr 29 at 2022 4:05 PM

SSgt Craig Rice — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 16:05:05 -0400

If it could not be seen unless you entered the room then let it alone. Privacy trumps undue and stupid inspections.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Apr 29 at 2022 5:21 PM

MSgt Earl King — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:21:53 -0400

It should have been removed, it's divisive and could cause trust issues, I don't want anyone in the fox hole with me who is not 100% covering my back. When this Black Power movement was going on, we did an inspection, one room had a Black Power flag , several of the other rooms had rebel flags, and racist stuff on the head walls. So which flag was ordered to be removed, the B P flag. I get so fed up with this he is just a good old boy stuff, that is just bull. I was told a story ,passed down about the slave masters, go to to church on Sunday morning with family, get back to his planation, go to the slave housing and pick a slave for Sunday Brunch.

Response by SFC William Ramsey made Apr 29 at 2022 6:17 PM

SFC William Ramsey — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:17:02 -0400

I would do nothing. The Confederate Army Battle Flag has changed over time and now truly represents Southern Pride. (Don't get it twisted, this is coming form a guy originally from Ohio)
I never lead with feelings. This constant whiny assed baby culture we have, I'm done with it. Grow a pair and suck it up buttercup. I have never been more happy to be retired from my beloved Army. It has grown so weak...

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2022 8:47 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:47:52 -0400

So please explain the "not white" part, and why you included that in your issue.

Response by SPC Jerry Snyder made Apr 30 at 2022 8:28 AM

SPC Jerry Snyder — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:28:58 -0400

That is why we live in America, No action needed

Response by PFC Arch Bishop Joseph Thornton made Apr 30 at 2022 6:06 PM

PFC Arch Bishop Joseph Thornton — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:06:44 -0400

The soldier should be allow to have the flag. We are a free country and our military should also enjoy it. To restrict them does not help order but allow it, gives the soldier pride.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Apr 30 at 2022 6:51 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:51:25 -0400

The saddest thing, about the question as well as many of the answers, is that WE the defenders of everyone's freedoms and Constitutional rights are NOT entitled to the same. I understand the necessity. Don't get me wrong. The other thing which I find not only sad and disgusting but totally reprehensible as well, is that we also defend not only the rights but also the PRIVELEGE of the "Woke @$$" cancel culture who have been so dang Brain Polluted that they cannot accept history and are attempting to change or erase it by destroying everything. Just blowing off steam here but, I would love to TRULY "trigger" a few of those fart blossoms. Exhale, hold and squeeze. A nicely executed but stroke would be mightily gratifying as well. Just saying. If I am going to dream, I am going to dream big.

Response by SrA Tommy Boyle made May 1 at 2022 12:25 PM

SrA Tommy Boyle — Sun, 01 May 2022 12:25:14 -0400

It’s a traitor’s flag. It has no place in the US military.

Response by Maj Giogi Chiappo-West made May 1 at 2022 3:26 PM

Maj Giogi Chiappo-West — Sun, 01 May 2022 15:26:40 -0400

If it is the Confederate flag you are talking about, I would ask the soldier to take it down and explain that this is not the place for it. Although some may cry "freedom of speech", that is not a violation of freedom of speech. In the military, we all stand for our country and all the rights afforded to us by the constitution. As such, we are also responsible to ensure those rights aren't abused. Though the confederate flag is part of our history, "supporters pride in Southern heritage, states' rights, and historical commemoration of the Civil War, while opponents associate it with glorification of the Civil War and celebrating the Myth of the Lost Cause, racism, slavery, segregation, white supremacy, intimidation of African Americans, historical negationism, and treason". As a member of the United States Air Force, I was always taught that I have no "personal" feelings, likes, or dislikes when it came to representing the United States. I was taught how the military wanted me to represent the United States. Anything else belonged outside of work as it would be considered unprofessional behavior. As a military Commander, it was my duty to ensure we represented the United States of America accordingly. The personal representation of one's own beliefs, even if pride of a state, does not belong in the barracks. If he wants to have pride in something, you can tell him to have not pride in "some" States, but pride in the UNITED STATES of America, and display the U.S. flag with pride.

Due to the different opinions and sentiments of peoples and the passion it encites in some, As a Commander I would definitely exercise my right to ask him to take it down for the reasons stated above.

Response by SSG Stewart Ritchey made May 1 at 2022 5:16 PM

SSG Stewart Ritchey — Sun, 01 May 2022 17:16:53 -0400

It's history - ignore it.

Response by COL Keith Chinn made May 1 at 2022 5:42 PM

COL Keith Chinn — Sun, 01 May 2022 17:42:17 -0400

BLUF: SFC King, Talk to JAG and your higher command team.
It does not matter what the politics are or what you think it may or may not represent. If the SM lives in government housing then they do not have the right to put up whatever they want. You as a leader must enforce the command policies and they must follow them. If the command team is abiding by higher policies and legal directives and the SM does not like their decision, then they can request to live off post if authorized. If not they have to suck it up until they can move out or get out of the military. The military is not there for them, they are there to serve their nation.

Response by SSgt John Baker made May 1 at 2022 7:27 PM

SSgt John Baker — Sun, 01 May 2022 19:27:20 -0400

The Civil war is over and part of American history. Leave it be. There is a political party doing their best to destroy our Republic ! This is just one of the dirty tricks they are promoting.

Response by CW2 Donald Loughrey made May 1 at 2022 8:33 PM

CW2 Donald Loughrey — Sun, 01 May 2022 20:33:05 -0400

This is where I know I'm a dinosaur.....it was quite common to see the Confederate Flag hanging in various Barracks Rooms when I was enlisted. A quick search revealed this: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/07/17/pentagon-bans-confederate-flag-military-bases-without-mentioning-it-name.html
I would imagine your Unit Barracks Policy would address it...if not...I would simply tell the Soldier that he may draw the ire of the Chain of Command if it remains on display. I find the whole topic ridiculous with so much to be concerned with these days but then...as I opened with...I'm a dinosaur.

Pentagon Bans Confederate Flag on Military Bases Without Mentioning It by Name

Military leaders have been pressing Esper to put in place a DoD-wide ban on the Confederate flag.

Response by SrA David Leiding made May 2 at 2022 12:55 PM

SrA David Leiding — Mon, 02 May 2022 12:55:26 -0400

I can see both side of the equation. However we all took an oath to protect the constitution. Just because we became military members doesn't mean we lost our constitutional rights, including the freedom of expression. Granted in many circumstances that freedom of expression is dulled down while we are in uniform. However our personal lives when off duty should not be. A barrack is a place of residence and as such the way it is decorated, as long as there is no property damage, should be left to the individuals. If the Confederate flag was above the US flag then something should be done. The Nazi flag has been mentioned. And I realize I might get criticism for this. By all constitutional right a person has the right to fly it. Doesn't make it right imo. As long as it is displayed in a private matter and that individual isn't showing the hate that flag represents while carrying out his or her duty, then there shouldn't be anything done due to that right of expression.

Response by COL James Olsen made May 2 at 2022 8:48 PM

COL James Olsen — Mon, 02 May 2022 20:48:06 -0400

The race of the individual displaying this flag is irrelevant.

The "Rebel" flag represents the flag of traitors to the Union cause. It represents wealthy landowners in the South that wanted to maintain the institution of slavery under the guise of "states rights." It represents one of the many flags of the loser. This is our history irrespective of how some choose to reframe the choice those in Confederate states made.

The display of this flag is in bad taste at best and demonstrates a deficiency in knowledge about our history that is likely a consequence of the education system where he or she grew up. Irrespective of my personal opinion, how this is handled is up to your commander. You can have an 'education session' with your Soldier first, or run it by your 1SG for guidance.

Response by MAJ Daniel Hammond made May 3 at 2022 3:32 PM

MAJ Daniel Hammond — Tue, 03 May 2022 15:32:09 -0400

According to the Department of Defense (DOD), a servicemember’s right of expression should be preserved to the maximum extent possible in accordance with the constitutional and statutory provisions of Title 10 of the U.S. Code, and consistent with good order and discipline and the national security. The Defense Department does not explicitly prohibit the display of the Confederate flag. However, if a commander determines that the display of the Confederate flag or Confederate symbols is detrimental to the good order and discipline of the unit, then the commander can ban such displays.
DODI 132506p has more information.
Army Regulation (AR) 670-1, Uniform and Insignia Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, prohibits soldiers from having any extremist, indecent, sexist, or racist tattoos or markings anywhere on their body. The Army has no specific prohibitions concerning the Confederate flag or symbols.

Response by SFC Rick Brooks made May 3 at 2022 8:18 PM

SFC Rick Brooks — Tue, 03 May 2022 20:18:17 -0400

not to start a fight but the rebel flag was not the the flag of the confederate states it was a battle flag to rally around if you look up EMBATTLED BANNER: THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE CONFEDERATE FLAG it will enlighten many. not that I don't understand it is offensive to many I just think we should understand the difference

Response by SPC Peter Kirk made May 3 at 2022 11:17 PM

SPC Peter Kirk — Tue, 03 May 2022 23:17:52 -0400

How about, grow-up?

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made May 4 at 2022 9:22 AM

SSG Clayton Lam — Wed, 04 May 2022 09:22:06 -0400

Nothing. It’s not against any Army regulations. If you or anyone else is offended by the flag it is because you choose to be offended. Don’t make an issue out of something that doesn’t need to be an issue.

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made May 4 at 2022 11:39 AM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Wed, 04 May 2022 11:39:59 -0400

Nothing it's in a private room not a open squad bay or work center

Response by Darren Thomas made May 4 at 2022 2:11 PM

Darren Thomas — Wed, 04 May 2022 14:11:44 -0400

If ya read history all the servants were brought over here via being sold by there own people under the American flag, while none were brought over here under the stars and bars!! Ya can not look at history though the lens of the present day!! To much political correctness going on!!!

Response by SGT Ryan Lahr made May 4 at 2022 11:26 PM

SGT Ryan Lahr — Wed, 04 May 2022 23:26:34 -0400

Best part of the us arked forces.. it's either with in regulations or not.. commanders can write policy at their descression for just these sorts of matters.. long story short check the regs than bring any concerns to your chain of command

Response by CW3 Paul Fitch made May 5 at 2022 10:59 AM

CW3 Paul Fitch — Thu, 05 May 2022 10:59:47 -0400

One must know history to appreciate what the "Rebel Flag" represents. It isn't slavery, it was economic oppression. It was the right of the individual states to operate freely under the Constitution without federal government interference. If you read and understand the Constitution, there are only 17 things that the STATES gave the "general government" authority over. The rest were retained by the states. Mal-interpretation of those 18 have led to a behemoth of an overreaching government that now controls almost every aspect of our lives.
I would applaud some one with the stones to stand for our Constitution and be willing to put his or her butt on the line to say so!

Response by Brig Gen Joe C made May 5 at 2022 2:21 PM

Brig Gen Joe C — Thu, 05 May 2022 14:21:00 -0400

I recommend you be equal in your decision. You noted the person was "not white". If they were, would you order it down? If so then you must have them remove the flag. You are going to need to make a gut call on does having that flag disrupt order and discipline? Nothing wrong with getting a second opinion from your peers...your superior only if you absolutely must.

Response by 1SG Alfred Webster made May 6 at 2022 1:46 PM

1SG Alfred Webster — Fri, 06 May 2022 13:46:44 -0400

I would order the soldier to take it down put it in acontainer so it would get soiled , then turn it in to the supply sgt for storage , or disposeof it him /her self . It has no place in a U S military barracks .

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made May 16 at 2022 9:23 PM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Mon, 16 May 2022 21:23:57 -0400

I would have told the soldier to take it down as it is counter to the good order and discipline of the Military. It is a flag that despite claims otherwise is a symbol of Treason and division. It has no place in the barracks

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Jun 2 at 2022 8:22 PM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Thu, 02 Jun 2022 20:22:53 -0400

Re historical symbols, humans,... Confederacy/flag etc. Ponder the statue, etc removals, name changes to respect the slavery period. The 2 sets of VICTIMS that usually come to mind r African and Indigenous Americans. Some of the historical reminders of the PREDATORS r being relegated to the dustbin.
Most sports teams had sub human mascots (lions, bears,... WHOOPS - Redskins, Indians). Some have changed - Cleveland mlb, Washington NFL, etc.
I have a problem with the mlb team where I live - San Diego. The Catholic missionaries (the padres) and their soldados were PREDATORS. Enslavers, rapers (gee, glad there is no more of that.!), torturers, murderers.
How is it that (name, other) changes come to the VICTIMS, but like in the case of the PREDATORS (the San Diego Padres mlb)... things just go floating right along..?

Response by SFC David Drury made Jun 6 at 2022 12:38 AM

SFC David Drury — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 00:38:17 -0400

As long as a roommate isnt offended.. i say carry on..

Response by SFC Gynell Britton made Jun 15 at 2022 11:33 PM

SFC Gynell Britton — Wed, 15 Jun 2022 23:33:57 -0400

That's a traitors flag that bore arms against this nation, totally unacceptable under any circumstance. It belongs in a museum to say the least and will always undermind good order and discipline! For anyone who has a problem with that should go join the CSA that doesn't exist anymore!

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Jun 29 at 2022 11:51 AM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:51:59 -0400

In 1971 my roommate hung confederate flag in our room. EEO NCO was walking around saw it questioned it. My roommate said it was his heritage and mind his own business. I was a yankee my family were union privates to generals. I did not care because they lost. But nothing was said about the black liberation flags and other stuff. So in my little world it was live and let live.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jul 15 at 2022 12:27 PM

1SG James Kelly — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 12:27:22 -0400

And the problem is?

Response by PO1 Stephen Potts made Jul 28 at 2022 10:44 AM

PO1 Stephen Potts — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 10:44:05 -0400

Stop bending over and taking it from the weak. If someone can't decorate to their taste without fear of hurting someone else's feelings then no one should be allowed to do anything that is not in black and white, rules to follow. I loved being in and serving my country but since obama we have been in a destructive path and we need to stop this train. You joined the military of free will. You knew what it was like and what was expected. If you can't handle it then get out, but don't make those who want to be there suffer because of you and your agenda. God bless America and the US Military. Hoo Rah!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2022 8:20 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Sep 2022 20:20:52 -0400

I would say that you need to look at the "whole person" concept. Is the Soldier a problem Soldier? has he made any racist or disparaging remarks? what kind of people does he hang out with? Now, on top of that, there is this First Amendment thingy that we should all respect, especially if it is NOT what we believe in. For example, you take down that flag, next, a Jewish kid has a flag of Israel; you take that down. Now, any Black person who has anything from Africa; that comes down. A Spanish kid listens to Spanish music: that has to stop. We are NOT a plain vanilla nations, we are all kinds of "Shades of Gray," and so it should remain.
As long as that Soldier does nothing to harm, disparage or cause any other issues that point to a problem; let it be.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2022 7:52 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:52:29 -0400

1. Every time I have seen a burnt cross (including 1sr hand) there has been a confederate flag. That should be offensive to all, not just some.
2. False equivalent: Japanese, British flags etc... These are flags of past enemies but current allies/ partners. The Confederate flag is a flag of an enemy of the U.S. and had to be dissolved - never been an ally or partner - just an enemy.
3. When proponents counter with "read a book. What book"? my retort: Read your oath of office. "Against all enemies.... The Army of Northern VA was an enemy of the U.S.
4. If one has a desire to exalt whatever quality they like by displaying the confederate flag, do it; just not on federal property, especially at U.S. military installations and when you swore an oath to the U.S.

Response by CPL Marcellus Jordan made Sep 2 at 2022 10:15 AM

CPL Marcellus Jordan — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 10:15:42 -0400

I don't have an issue with a person having it. I actually like it for two reasons...1. It allows me the ability to readily identify this person so that I can ask them their ideology associated with it. 2. If they are indeed prejudice and or racist, once again still their right, I now know and it allows me the opportunity to show them that not all of their beliefs about certain people are correct. FYI I am a Vet 1st & a Black Man 2nd who also happens to be a Republican. I PROUDLY dawned my uniform daily, fully knowing that although on paper I am equal? I suffer/Ed both prejudice & racism regularly some openly some not. Is It getting better? Yes and why? Because we are finally talking about it. The one thing that I know to be fact is this, it is ABSOLUTELY impossible for me to know what it is to be a Caucasian Male & Equally so Vice Versa. So when people throw around terms such as WP (as in Pride, not privilege) or BLM? I get it, but at the same time I am also aware that there is NO way that either side can fully understand the depth of where and why a person may align with certain things. What is occurring in todays society is exactly what needs to happen. The floor is opening for discussion which in turn I Pray brings a better understanding of each other. Lastly I believe that as an AMERICAN Fighting soldier I enlisted to represent the AMERICAN FLAG A flag that also has a tainted history but is still the representation of what was once a PROUD melting pot that built this GREAT country. So I believe ANY & ALL enlisted soldiers should leave their feelings, ideologies, prejudice & or racist beliefs and???? FLAGS!!! at home (not contradictory to my opening statement but a preference in an ideal world scenario for me) and when they wear that uniform ( time in service) their beliefs should be OD Green & Red, White & Blue! I want to know that the person next to me? I can trust and will lay their life down for me just as I have their six and will do the same, because what's important is that we win & make it home. May God Bless us all.~Forever Forward!

Response by PO2 Don Scott made Sep 2 at 2022 12:43 PM

PO2 Don Scott — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:43:36 -0400

The description sounds like a patriotic version of a flag of U.S. history. So why does "common sense" say it probably shouldn't be there? If there is no Reg. that specifies which flags are allowed, then there shouldn't be a problem. Especially since the woke military has allowed things like the rainbow flag.

Response by SPC Salvatore R LaRosa made Sep 2 at 2022 3:34 PM

SPC Salvatore R LaRosa — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 15:34:44 -0400

I am tired of the liberal woke crowd trying to erase history. It is just a flag and each person has his or her own opinion about it. I say it is Free speech. Get over the poor me I feel offended crap. Just saying!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Sep 2 at 2022 8:46 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:46:10 -0400

This is good stuff

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Sep 2 at 2022 9:07 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 21:07:23 -0400

This piece is a teaching moment. NCO's and leaders needs to know how to timely address understand and address these types of behavior. This becomes important for
leaders to appropriately and
timely address these concerns

Response by SMSgt SReeves337 . made Sep 3 at 2022 2:12 PM

SMSgt SReeves337 . — Sat, 03 Sep 2022 14:12:06 -0400

Inspections should be for cleanliness and order. The room is the individuals personal space. If that can’t be the policy then give them BAQ and let them live off post.

Response by SFC Luis Serrano made Sep 4 at 2022 8:41 AM

SFC Luis Serrano — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:41:50 -0400

Whatever the SOP says. The military is not a Democracy.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Sep 4 at 2022 3:09 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:09:17 -0400

I have been retired for a while, but this whole thing is BS. That is unless the military has become ultra political. Wake up, there are slot more pressing issues to deal.wigh the defense of our country.

Response by Capt Michael Wilford made Sep 4 at 2022 6:53 PM

Capt Michael Wilford — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 18:53:09 -0400

We are forgetting here that not one single slave ship ever sailed under the Battle Flag of the Confederate Army, which is ignorantly called the Rebel flag. This flag was NEVER the state flag of the Confederacy. Here’s the very cold, very hard truth. EVERY slave ship that sailed under American crews and leaders sailed under the US flag. So, if a soldier has a Confederate battle flag in their barracks room, so what? Are we going to punish Japanese flags, Russian flags, Chinese Flags, Mexican flags, Puerto Rican flags, or any other National or heritage flag because someone wants to be offended?

Response by TSgt James Warfield made Sep 4 at 2022 11:20 PM

TSgt James Warfield — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 23:20:07 -0400

SPC Christopher Smith, posted,
I truly believe he says it best in his pots. I notice by his picture he is also African American.... Who understands the history behind the the symbol. I remember in my Junior year American history class, when my teacher, stated the Civil War was not fought over slavery but states rights. I called him out on it, debated with him for months. Now I believe and see what he was saying, The emaciation was done after the war started. Here is a good web site to go to. Emancipation Proclamation (1863) - National Archives |
Let's be honest many wrongs done in past are righted because of political or economic reason more then moral issues
Many symbols like the Christian Cross, the rebel flag, I very own flag,,,
we should never erase history as it it's a means to teach us of our wrongs and what we get right.
To day we are so polarized in this country, all because we have people groups, and political leaders who wants to divide us with by having us believe certain symbols and certain groups are to hate.
This became so true by our current president who used a national site with red red back ground to insult half the American people. Also like SPC Smith said it's the victor who get's to decide to write the out come. Should we have lost the Revolutionary war, those who fought for this nation would be now taught as traitors.
I am glad the civil war kept us together however it also set us on the road to how our government should work,,,,, it gave more power to the Federal government and took away the power that the constitution gives to the states.
Bottom line, people should be allowed to display what the wish in the privacy of the home, and barracks is the home to single military men and women... who are forced to live in the barracks, even though their counter parts who are of the same age or even younger, has not such control over their homes if they are married.

Response by SGT(P) Jody Hall made Sep 5 at 2022 10:16 AM

SGT(P) Jody Hall — Mon, 05 Sep 2022 10:16:47 -0400

SMH...
That is personal property.
I understand what some "think" with all the politics that go on these days. However, this is a bit over the top I think to ask.
No you can't take it or make them get rid of it.
Jag would have a field day with it. It would bring tons of unwanted attention.
Focus on training and readiness. As long as overt behaviors are good you have no issue with it.
Now if his words, actions and such infringe on others that is different.
:D
I have to wonder what they are teaching in the NCO academy's now days...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2022 11:39 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Sep 2022 11:39:05 -0400

I wouldn't touch this one with a 10 foot pole sarge. Good luck.

Response by PO2 Robert Bauman made Sep 15 at 2022 2:48 PM

PO2 Robert Bauman — Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:48:05 -0400

If that's what YOU chose to believe, this is NOT an American Program and should be REMOVED from this SYSTEM!!!!!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2022 1:44 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Oct 2022 01:44:40 -0400

When History is erased... It tends to be repeated!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2022 1:53 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Oct 2022 01:53:09 -0400

When All The Guns Have Been Banned
When All The Words Have Been Censored
When All The History Has Been Erased
When All The Freedom Has Been Taken
Only Then Will You Discover Why
Our Founding Fathers put the Right To Bear Arms So High On The List

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2022 12:44 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Oct 2022 12:44:11 -0400

Our entire life is about learning, our history is a part of that. Hiding from it serves no purpose. Our lineage is what it is, no matter what side they were on.

Response by SGT Leonard Fraczek made Oct 9 at 2022 2:02 PM

SGT Leonard Fraczek — Sun, 09 Oct 2022 14:02:14 -0400

THE ONLY THING THAT FLAG SYMBOLIZES TO ME IS THAT I AM A "REBEL". I ENLISTED IN 1975 AND THE DUKES OF HAZARD WAS A POPULAR TV SHOW. I HEAR THAT THEY CAVED TO THE POLITICALLY CORRECT A$$ HOLES AND REMOVED THE FLAG FROM THE ROOF OF THEIR CAR. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, LOOK THE OTHER WAY....... I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UNDER "OLD GLORY" AND DEFY ANYONE TO REMOVE IT...

Response by AN Arturo Cianfano made Oct 10 at 2022 2:48 PM

AN Arturo Cianfano — Mon, 10 Oct 2022 14:48:44 -0400

In my humble opinion, NO FLAG OTHER THAN STAR AND STRIPES SHOULD BE FLOWN AT ANY MILITARY OR GOVERNMENT FACILITY. PERIOD!!! Personal effects or personal spaces (not government owned) is fine, just not in official spaces.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2022 7:11 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 07:11:25 -0400

I had a friend that was ordered to remove a Puerto Rico flag from his room...flag of a US Territory! The new "woke" position of the military makes such determinations almost certain. I'm afraid that would drive a commander's decision.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2022 4:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 16:55:50 -0400

Honestly, I say it depends on the circumstances, and why the soldier in question wishes to display it in their living quarters. While yes, some may argue that the confederate or rebel flag could stand for racism, or even for state rights. I would look less at the flag and more at the individual that has the flag in their possession. Plus, this is in their living quarters so it's not being openly displayed for the whole world to see. While barracks inspections are important, it's also important to remember that this is where that individual lives; it's his/hers home. We should not have a problem with what an individual soldier hangs up in his/hers home, but rather look at how they perform with others, and build that team environment that the Army and many other branches of the military strive and require. Personally, I would take no actions unless it comes out that the soldier in question is actually a racist.

Response by PO3 Caleb Taylor made Oct 12 at 2022 5:43 PM

PO3 Caleb Taylor — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 17:43:00 -0400

This might be a little over zealous, but this is my perspective:

No flag representing an enemy of the United States should be allowed. I think an important line in the sand is the current relationship with these nations. For instance, one could make an argument that a confederate flag in a barracks is just as inappropriate as a Japanese flag, because they were both our enemies at some point in history. However, I think this would be a flawed position since we are currently allies with Japan and I'd wager there are many Japanese-American service members. (And the same can be said about England) The confederacy is and forever will be an enemy of the United States due to the fact that their defeat lead to the end of their existence, which is why I think it would be inappropriate.

I think a counter argument to this is that all members of the CSA were still proud Americans as their following generations.

But I'm just a lowly E4, so what the hell do I know?

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Oct 12 at 2022 6:39 PM

CPL Larry Frias Jr — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:39:14 -0400

Salute that rebel flag ….American History

Response by 1stSgt George E Corwin made Oct 12 at 2022 10:06 PM

1stSgt George E Corwin — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:06:49 -0400

Nothing. The Rebel flag is a proud part of our heritage! However, to save our nation, vote straight Republican. It is out only hope for survival!

Response by PV2 Michael Holmes made Oct 12 at 2022 10:52 PM

PV2 Michael Holmes — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:52:49 -0400

This type of thing is only an issue if One makes it so. The U.S. Army is all up it's own butt with racial politics now? I was wrong in believing we put that behind us after the success of ODS/S.
What does the color of the persons skin have to do with it anyway? More strict punishment perhaps?
Take into account, as I understand by your comments, the item was displayed? I am nobody special but I think if you found it scarpered away somewhere like in the Soldiers pillowcase. That might be made an issue of.
Thanks, Mike.

Response by MSG Robert Weston made Oct 13 at 2022 11:33 AM

MSG Robert Weston — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:33:00 -0400

Depends on what is established by the command.

Response by SGT John Prolo made Oct 13 at 2022 11:41 AM

SGT John Prolo — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:41:25 -0400

You can’t have a rebel flag, but you can wear a bra underneath your clothes if you’re a dude. Hahaha…The military is woke and a joke!

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Oct 14 at 2022 1:50 AM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 01:50:36 -0400

I have been out of the service so long that I have no clue what any of the regs say because so many of them ahve been "adapted" to meet more modern ideology. If there is not a reg covering what flag a person displays, I would imagine it is because of the First Amendment. When it comes down to what is offensive these days, I would imagine that just about any flag could be considered offensive to someone. If in fact it does fall under Commanders Discretion, well, there you go because the Oath says to follow the order of those appointed above you.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Oct 14 at 2022 8:49 AM

SPC David Hannaman — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:49:00 -0400

My thoughts: the question was answered with "AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline."

If it's causing a disruption, order it removed. In other words, if it's causing soldiers to splinter into factions and fight about it, it's gotta go.

My grandfather was wounded in WWI, his PTSD had an impact on my family. If someone insisted in flying an Iron cross flag, I might take issue with it. Maybe we could talk it out, maybe they take it down out of respect for me and my experiences and what it symbolizes, maybe I look at it and realize that their flying it has zero connection to me, but if it comes down to an impasse, the flag of another country goes IMO.

Response by CMSgt Frank Dailey made Oct 14 at 2022 9:13 AM

CMSgt Frank Dailey — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 09:13:37 -0400

Well the specific Flag you speak of I am imagining is the Confederate Battle Ensign red field and blue St Andrews cross with 13 Stars. Because this flag has been associated with the Skin Heads and White National organizations it is considered contraband and has been Identified as unacceptable to good order and discipline. You have already pointed out the Regs give the authority to the installation Commander to remove such items.

If a person feels strongly about the significance of his heritage, it might be effective to point out that at no time did the Confederacy every fly that as a national flag. The two most recognized but actual historians is the Stars and BARS Blue Left hand field with 13 Stars and red, white and red stripe horizontally or the Bonnie Blue a Field of Blue with one White Star. These flags have no association with the groups who have used the other and actually show the education in Southern Heritage.

Response by PO1 Charles Coffee made Oct 14 at 2022 10:50 PM

PO1 Charles Coffee — Fri, 14 Oct 2022 22:50:16 -0400

This country (USA) been under many flags before it was the United States! I have ancestors that fought on both sides of the Civil War, others that came through Ellis Island, and another that was sent to the Colonies (USA now) as a British political prisoners, because he was Catholic! Every family has various cultural beliefs and convictions from families past! I had an Irish flag at one point during my career, displayed behind my rack. My roommate had a Confederate flag on the wall! No one was told to take them down. The barracks was our space to relax! I've even seen Black Power banners in the barracks! This is childish that someone has to comply, and remove a flag from a room, because someone that doesn't live in that room is offended! If you don't like it, don't look at it!

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Oct 15 at 2022 6:50 AM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 06:50:05 -0400

I'm so disappointed how the Army is becoming so "woke" That doesn't represent our great diversity. Instead of blanket condemnations the leadership should have looked at the mood and how people in the barracks were getting along. It is clear that everyone respected each other. Grow a set Top and stop harassing your troops for no reason.

Response by PO3 Bri Morris made Oct 15 at 2022 9:41 PM

PO3 Bri Morris — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 21:41:03 -0400

I’m from the actual area that that flag is from (Northern Virginia) and I would say that it depends. If it was in his closet or it had some sentimental value, I wouldn’t make it a big deal, but I would tell him to keep it stowed away because at the end of the day, that’s what General Lee said to do after the treaty at Appomattox. However, if he’s hanging it in his room- he can’t do that. He wouldn’t be able to do that in an apartment or he would have to deal with a landlord, at his house he would deal with neighbors or the HOA, and he definitely wouldn’t be allowed to hang it up in a college dorm. If he’s not paying rent, the only battle flag that he can display is the US flag. That’s just how I see it. State flags are fine too.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Oct 15 at 2022 11:39 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Sat, 15 Oct 2022 23:39:40 -0400

I think he should be able to keep it in his room. What happened to privacy and free speech? Back in the eighties I was an instructor at the MP School at Ft McClellan AL. One day I came into the office I shared with three other instructors and saw a "rebel flag" folded on the corner of a deck belonging to the only black NCO in the office. I assumed someone was trying to start trouble. When the black NCO came in to the office I apologized for it and told him I didn't know who put it there. He smiled and said, "That's my flag, I'm from South Carolina and I'm proud of it." Since then I never again made assumptions as to what offends some people.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Oct 16 at 2022 4:31 PM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:31:45 -0400

Honestly, you've answered your own question on who/what determines if that flag is a violation: Under AR 600-15. The commander. Starting with the company commander.

Many people have issues with the Confederate flag (even those who actually know the history). The Confederacy was, first and foremost, a "States sovereignty" type of government that many political scholars compare to the European Union: Many countries acting together. While the Union was a "Federal sovereignty" focusing on keeping the states united under a single governing body. The Military ramifications is that under the Confederate flag the current America would have 50 tiny Armies with a myriad of different goals instead of 1 Army with a united front. Even under the best conditions and with the best of intentions, a Confederate flag still represents division among the ranks.

Response by TSgt Robert Holmes made Oct 16 at 2022 11:29 PM

TSgt Robert Holmes — Sun, 16 Oct 2022 23:29:06 -0400

Theme of the day. The greatest threat to democracy is the white Christian male. He and his kind must be purged from the ranks. Hey Austin, how is that recruiting going?

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Oct 17 at 2022 11:16 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 11:16:40 -0400

The Rebs specifically fought to keep people enslaved. Their descendants lie about and attack Black Lives Matter. Other people under other flags are trying to improve themselves. The Confederates invaded our capital only recently. Anybody with that flag needs drummed out.

Response by Cpl David Chouinard made Oct 17 at 2022 5:03 PM

Cpl David Chouinard — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 17:03:36 -0400

I wouldn't say a thing. It's none of my business. If someone has a Rebel flag or any other flag for that matter, that's his business. I'm sure he/she has a reason for having it.

Response by SPC Brian Romine made Oct 24 at 2022 6:26 PM

SPC Brian Romine — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:26:51 -0400

Back in the 90s I had one in my barracks room. 1sgt told me to take it down because it might offend someone. (Mind you my roommate was Latino) I stuck my head out the door and hollered to one of my black neighbors asking if he was offended by it. His reply was "hell no!" 1sgt told me to take it down anyway. It was back up 10 minutes later.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Nov 4 at 2022 12:32 AM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 00:32:49 -0400

Bare in mind that the one person who is offended may be the one person you will someday need to rely on in a crisis.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Nov 4 at 2022 1:10 AM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 01:10:35 -0400

A military unit is only as good as the spirit that binds it together. When a member decides to go "in your face", whether it be visual (confederate flag, Japanese flag), or audible (loud rap, hip-hop, or country music), or heated political rhetoric, the cohesion becomes disoriented. If the Confederate flag is important to you, keep it folded and store it in your breast pocket close to your heart. If your brand of music gives you comfort, try ear buds. And if politics are your thing, bite your lip and keep it to yourself.

Response by Maj Ross Webster made Nov 10 at 2022 7:38 PM

Maj Ross Webster — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:38:36 -0500

NOTHING

Response by TSgt Don Dollinger made Nov 11 at 2022 5:22 PM

TSgt Don Dollinger — Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:22:30 -0500

Unfortunately, regardless of your personal feelings, since it has been deemed offensive to a race of people its got to go. Just like the rebel flag being deemed offensive so has the swastika which is actually an ancient religious symbol. I once had to order a black airman to remove a full back window rebel flag from his pickup truck. He deemed it as a symbol of his southern pride, still it had to go...

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Nov 12 at 2022 3:25 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:25:02 -0500

The commander can say what can be put up on the walls. No flags up, no pictures up, etc.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2022 4:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 04:39:57 -0500

Is America so threatened now by some of its people and soldiers trying to have a southern identity within the US? This hysteria around anything Confederacy this and slavery that has made the "Rebel" movement today from what was prior a romantic (classical definition of the word) movement that people were proud of but didn't call really for any political violence. Today though I can see with my own two eyes that the targeting of the peaceful and romantic confederation love is starting to be forced into more intentional modes of thought and rhetoric. If you punish it explicitly it will make more want it is what I'm trying to come across.

For instance I'm from ethnic German Stock from Bavaria and remained in Germany up until the end of the Empire. So I own a Kingdom of Bavaria, Prussia and the German Imperial Flag (2nd Reich), should I be punished because I personally own flags that have meaning to me, I think not. It would just make resentful soldiers towards their chain of command

Response by AN Allen McCormick made Nov 13 at 2022 10:38 AM

AN Allen McCormick — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:38:26 -0500

Well first I was never noncom or officer but as a layman I would say let it pass you would demoralize a man for his beliefs. As per laws it is banned for being offensive but the military is not an equal opportunity employer. Just my thoughts.

Response by SCPO Glen Dutcher made Nov 13 at 2022 12:06 PM

SCPO Glen Dutcher — Sun, 13 Nov 2022 12:06:59 -0500

The rebel flag was a symbol of bigotry, hatred, and traitors for roughly four years, hardly a significant part of southern culture. Sounds like you're the one who needs to read a book.

Response by PO1 Don Rowan made Nov 14 at 2022 8:39 AM

PO1 Don Rowan — Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:39:45 -0500

Nothing...as long as they're also standing up for the stars and stripes.

Response by SGT Aaron Stolz made Nov 14 at 2022 9:38 AM

SGT Aaron Stolz — Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:38:07 -0500

The books you should be reading are Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, (ADEA), and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, (ADA). All of which require your employer to create a workplace safe from intimidation and harassment. The only thing that matters is that your tattoo creates a harassing work environment for everyone else around you. I'd never have let someone with a terrorist tattoo join the military in the first place. Other than honorable discharge. Fraudulent enlistment.

Response by PFC Greg Ortiz made Nov 16 at 2022 5:39 PM

PFC Greg Ortiz — Wed, 16 Nov 2022 17:39:23 -0500

None. People should first learn history, the flag that is called the Rebel flag is in fact the Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the Rebel flag is called the Stars and Bars. In the Civil War their were numerous flags, most Armies and/or units had their own battle flag. Any person who finds a flag offensive, should honestly toughen up.

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Nov 17 at 2022 8:06 AM

CWO4 Carter Owens — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 08:06:05 -0500

I'd say it's a First Amendment right that protects that Flag. Same goes for the LGBTQ and or the BLM flag. But............. I'm pretty sure the Army has already made that distinctively clear what they think of that Flag. So, I'd tell the Soldier your sorry but to remove it from Government Property. ASAP. Before the Pentagon gets wind of this.

Response by SPC Akinshina Fanu made Nov 17 at 2022 12:21 PM

SPC Akinshina Fanu — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 12:21:42 -0500

The confederate flag is a traitorous symbol.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2022 8:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:24:19 -0500

The penalty for treason is death. The Confederates we're traitors.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Nov 17 at 2022 9:13 PM

SGT John Schmelzkopf — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:13:47 -0500

The big thing that bothers me is people forget some of these things were the "Norm" at the time they originated. I could state some facts here that would offend some. It would get a flame thread going, as most would not research the facts (some of which are being erased now). Erasing History is Stupid, it Dooms us to Repeat it, take the Fall of the Roman Empire, we are treading very close to repeating this! Robert E Lee was one of the Superintendents of West Point, some of the Finest Officers I ever served with were West Pointer's, https://mwi.usma.edu/west-point-robert-e-lee-problem/

What Should West Point Do About Its Robert E. Lee Problem? - Modern War Institute

In spite of the sight of the Stars and Bars flying from the radio masts of occasional automobiles coming out of Dixie, few fair-minded men can feel today that the […]

Response by CPT Scott Batz made Nov 18 at 2022 4:12 PM

CPT Scott Batz — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:12:42 -0500

This is in his room. He is not making anyone else look at it. Sometimes the resistance the soldier may give when told to take something down will just cause a lot more unhappy soldiers, wasting a lot of time . Rather than make a big issue out of nothing my thought is to walk on by.

Response by BG Mike Rowe made Jul 8 at 2023 2:09 AM

BG Mike Rowe — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 02:09:14 -0400

Who cares. They let transgender in now.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2023 7:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 19:20:29 -0400

It’s a symbol of hate. It has no place in our Army.

Response by SFC Robert Devincenzo made Sep 10 at 2023 12:47 PM

SFC Robert Devincenzo — Sun, 10 Sep 2023 12:47:12 -0400

I have a question for all the historians who's expertise on the civil war. How does blockading all the southern ports stop slavery?

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Sep 11 at 2023 1:17 PM

PO3 Michael MacKay — Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:17:49 -0400

Turn it around, you found a rainbow pride flag...what action should you take? Exactly. None. It is a freedom of speech protected activity, as long as you are not waving it around and politically harassing others which is a different issue. Having these is no reason for anyone to be singled out and "called onto the carpet" I know damn good and well command would cower in front of the liberal politicians before saying anything about a rainbow pride flag, so, the same should go for all symbols as such, perhaps not displayed openly in the barracks (as you mentioned, for good order, but where does that stop?), but not a violation to own.

Response by SSG James N. made Oct 12 at 2023 12:03 PM

SSG James N. — Thu, 12 Oct 2023 12:03:46 -0400

No way will I ever cater to the faux orders of the woke or the weak of heart. This is not in my blood. It was not in John Jams's blood, nor was it in his father's blood or his grandpappy's blood Our kin in the hills of lower KY and upper mid-TN fought not over slavery(they owned no slaves). They fought because blue-bellied scum came down and raped the women, killed men, stole crops, burned farms, and committed crimes against our folk that were unforgivable.
The only question I have asked both white or black GI's ith the flag of my kin, was, why do you fly it?
Staff Sargeant, I fly dis flag because I am country southern, no city thig from the north.
I fly his flag because my family died fighting for what was right Sargeant
I fly this because my family fought under it for good, not bad. It's out heritage, not their hate.

Me, I stood up against a black female 1SG(one Maralyn D Hill, a racist who hated white men and called we school trained EO's not fit for EO because only black females know EO) when she started up on a room inspection for one of my soldiers who had a small one on his table. I have only experienced such a high level of hate in the Army by people like her. I guess being white,in shape, and tatted means I must in her words, be some kind of racist(her initial meeting of me as I came in from a month's leave)

No issue with that flag at all. Only assholes use the flag for racist ideologies same s they do for the shinto sign of peace and luck, the swastika. Fuck the woke,and the weak of heart. Tese people are a cancer in the military, and diversity does not win battles. Strong people, strong of heart, strong of body, strong of spirit win battles.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Oct 14 at 2023 11:35 AM

LCpl Richard Lally — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 11:35:13 -0400

If it was altered that much, It was not a "rebel " flag. A crossed Stars and Bars represents a time of conflict between AMERICANs. The addition of the eagle and the words "These colors don't run " to me are a combination of about 3(three) other "flags". This is just a banner reflecting some sort of belief or creativity on the owners part

Response by SPC Douglas Hearron made Oct 14 at 2023 4:01 PM

SPC Douglas Hearron — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:01:31 -0400

Why would it be offensive? Unless someone is ignorant I guess ?

Response by Cpl Mike Nakanant made Oct 15 at 2023 10:25 AM

Cpl Mike Nakanant — Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:25:39 -0400

It would be wrong to confiscate the confederate flag from someone. I feel that would alienate an entire demographic of soldiers, Marines, sailors, or airmen. If a person happens to be plain racist and possesses a confederate flag, then you deal with the person, however, I don't feel that racism is displayed through the confederate flag as it would a Nazi flag.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Oct 15 at 2023 12:34 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Sun, 15 Oct 2023 12:34:27 -0400

What? Red, white, and blue are the Union colors. And they whupped the lazy traitor enslaving butts. As for Rebel tattoos: Whoa. That white ink is expensive. I mean, to fill in an entire surrender flag.

Response by SFC Michael Lindenbusch made Oct 15 at 2023 7:40 PM

SFC Michael Lindenbusch — Sun, 15 Oct 2023 19:40:26 -0400

Given that the DoD policy which would apply here is not stated to specifically cover barracks rooms (what is specified is "open bay" barracks) it does become a matter of discretion. As with most such issues, the first thing that should be done is to put in place a written guidance on what is prohibited. In the absence of such an official order the likelihood of enforcement being uniform is exceedingly low, and that kind of condition itself is bad for good order and discipline.

Response by Capt Robert Stozek made Oct 16 at 2023 11:53 AM

Capt Robert Stozek — Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:53:40 -0400

You can't please or appease everyone. Especially the WOKE who probably would object but can't tell you why. Though I'd probably say leave it alone, it might be best to ask the barracks mates if any of them have strong objections and why and have a teaching moment for both sides of the argument.

Response by CPT Arch Nissel made Oct 16 at 2023 3:48 PM

CPT Arch Nissel — Mon, 16 Oct 2023 15:48:18 -0400

NOTHING, there is no reason to advance WOKEISM by destroying historic items and prosecuting patriotic AMERICANS.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Oct 17 at 2023 8:28 AM

SFC Kevin Childers — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:28:32 -0400

Nephew got put out for Celtic Cross tattoos. I advised having his Rabbi contact the commander.

Offense is in the eye of the beholder.

Response by TSgt James Warfield made Oct 17 at 2023 8:54 AM

TSgt James Warfield — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:54:59 -0400

I have always stood strongly against any kind of racism. Treating everyone with respect no matter race, religion, sex.
However, I have never seen anything wrong with the what is called the confederate flag. As some one else has stated it's time people open a book and read the history of it, and not bias one done by the victors of the war. Before anyone starts to question my faith and and respect for my country the USA, get to know me first you will find it's very strong. I have for over 69 years been proud that my Great, Great , Great Uncle was Ulysses S Grant.
Also it's time to stop telling people what the can or can not have in the rooms. Do you go and inspect the homes of married troops, NO you don't. Inspection should be for health reason and health reason only unless, a troop is in basic or a special school.

Response by CPL Miguel Velez made Oct 17 at 2023 7:10 PM

CPL Miguel Velez — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 19:10:33 -0400

There should be more specifics on that AR-600-15, about displays of any flag as long it fulfills the uniformity of the guidelines, and may not offend anyone in the barracks. In the case that you display an X type of flag on base other than the American, is a dishonor, On my first deployment, my First Sargeant (FSGT), was so racist that he ordered me to take down" that piece of shit out" of my locker. It was my Puerto Rican flag! On my second deployment, My LTC Weekley asked me kindly to kill a snake that had terrified the FSGT, I did hunt the snake choked the dammed thing bit off the head, and cooked it while. everybody laughed about Sgt Townsend. Then came the retaliation with the FSGT, he ordered me to dig a 6 x 4 Ft deep trench hole, and once done he told me to "now fill it back up. I was not ashamed of what he did, KARMA got his rear. That night I heard him screaming nightmares with snakes all around his coffin. Don't blame me, I just did what was told to me.

Response by Sgt Jeremi Wright made Oct 17 at 2023 11:20 PM

Sgt Jeremi Wright — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 23:20:54 -0400

In the Marine Corp we're taught in boot camp that there's only one color, and that is GREEN. (LIGHT GREEN and DARK GREEN ). Now, as a "dark green marine ", I am a witness to fact that this flag has two faces,
and it can be viewed differently between two groups of people. No, both the north and south, but the light and dark green members. Not everyone in the South is proud of that flag. That very same flag was flown high and proudly while human beings were burned as they were hung from trees. Why is that something to be proud of? Why is that a heritage that one would want to participate in. That flag represents more then the "SOUTH", it represents "HATE, PAIN, BROKEN FAMILIES, and DEATH". So for many dark green services members, when that flag is on display, it will some cause some of us to be on edge. I understand that not all light green members are bad, but to represents a flag in an environment that would need absolute trust, you may not get it.
Dark green members from the South would surely wonder which side of this flag is this particular individual facing.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 18 at 2023 5:56 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Wed, 18 Oct 2023 05:56:02 -0400

None. It's the flag of the Northern Virginia militia and it's part of our nation's history. Last time I checked, it's still a free country, but if we continue to obsess over political correctness and allow Progressives to divide us over every stupid woke cause that seems to be more important than what really matters, we won't have our freedom for long.

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Oct 18 at 2023 5:19 PM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Wed, 18 Oct 2023 17:19:24 -0400

History is normally written by the victor but in case of the Civil War this was not the case. A good place to start finding why is "The Daughter's Of The Confederacy ". You can also just watch old movies about the Civil War which depicted Confederacy as a benevolent society. The daughthers also helped name the military bases in the south. They held fund raisers to fund building monuments. They also had an official checklist for southern states to use to check school text books to make sure the books didn't show the south in a negative fashion. This should be topic on its own. Also look into when states added the stars and bars into their state flags, and then look into the timeline of what was happening in Civil rights at that time.
Did not mean to hijack this thread but this is history and easily checked. I could be wrong...

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Oct 25 at 2023 6:34 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:34:14 -0400

Why do we make mountains out of mole hills? If the soldier keeps the flag in his locker or his room there is no viiolation and others cannot be offended. I sware, this modern liberal army is way out of control of soldiers and their pink tew tews

Response by Sgt Eugene Stewart made Oct 29 at 2023 8:12 PM

Sgt Eugene Stewart — Sun, 29 Oct 2023 20:12:20 -0400

I guess they have a right to have the flag, but they are on government property and if they have rules against such an item being displayed, then it needs to come down. If it is not displayed, then it is their business and the flag belongs to them. I think a warning should be given to whoever owns it and leave it at that if corrected. I am not for disrupting the life of a good soldier, but rules are rules. Good Luck.

Response by Brad Miller made Oct 30 at 2023 12:36 AM

Brad Miller — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 00:36:14 -0400

Well, first, define "rebel" ....

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Nov 3 at 2023 1:10 PM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Fri, 03 Nov 2023 13:10:14 -0400

I personally do not think a rebel flag belongs on a wall in the barracks. I understand the soldier feels that the message he is trying to convey may different than what people take on it.
There are many who feel the rebel flag represents the oppression of slavery and the system that supported it. To many it is a very powerful negative symbol. In the present day there are a lot of hate groups who fly that flag just to say F you to everyone. What if they wanted to hang the NAZI flag instead.
Now if someone in there own residence wants to hang those flags, that is there business. However, the barracks are a quasi public space. Do the fellow soldiers feel threatened or offended by the flag? If yes, the flag should be removed.
The soldier needs some education (not yelling at the soldier, but good honest education) about what that flag means to many people. If he or she still wants to fly the flag, that soldier should then be well informed that he may be making enemies out of his / her fellow soldiers

Response by SSG Steven Allen made Nov 14 at 2023 1:30 AM

SSG Steven Allen — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 01:30:14 -0500

Sounds like you have a problem with it. What is your negative thoughts toward it? You were very quick to point out he/she wasn’t white, as well

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Nov 14 at 2023 3:02 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:02:48 -0500

Every culture has a history, the South has one too. We may not agree with the have confederate statues on display in open public, however they could have been moved to a museum. History is history, and we all must learn from it.
Displaying of flags is a commander's call, unit cohesion is the responsibility of the commander and if those find offence and can cause disruption it is the commands job to resolve that problem.
First the civil war was not fought over or about slavery. It was about state rights and taxes. The confederates used the "stars and Bars" as a battle flag, while the official flag of the south was a Red, White and Blue flag, it had a square blue field with stars in a circle in a corner and with three bars, two red and one white bar running down the middle.
The Stars and Bars has been highjacked by extreme parties that use it as a banner of white superiority as well as the high jacking of Norse symbols for white superiority. The Norse were a mix culture of people. Yes, the Vikings took slaves on their raiding parties, however most slaves worked the slavery off over time and became part of the community.
We all must understand history and respect that history and stop extreme parties from high jacking that history and staining it.
My family history is from the northern Germanic region. Do I feel my history is being stolen by those that wish to use it for extremists' ideology, Yes. Just recently a group of extremists open a church using Norse Mythology to spread White Extremists views and ideology, I follow a Pagan religion path of Norse mythology and history and I am totally against this group and their misguided views! How long will it be that my religious belief is stolen from me and many others in my group and around the nation.
It not the flags or the symbols that are offensive it is how they are used that make them offensive. We as a whole must stop these kinds of groups in order to save our culture and our history. If such groups were to be stopped then people will understand there true meaning and then respect one and another's history.
I am totally against groups that use the star and bars for hatred of others, while on the other hand, I respect those of the South that have such symbols or flags that support their history and their culture.

Response by LT William Pellegrini made Nov 14 at 2023 3:15 PM

LT William Pellegrini — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:15:21 -0500

If someone wants to bow down and worship a Confederate Flag that's on them But before doing that they should take the time to read a few books on the subject of the Civil War. Bruce Cantton's trilogy is a good place to start. Why? Well he fills his book with all the things, primarily factual sources, that he used to write these three books. One chapter is important. It is a description of the meeting between Pres. Lincoln and the V.P. of the Confederacy, Alexander H. Stephens, is particularly enlightening. It removes any doubt over why the War was fought.
But the fact remains the South lost the war. At some time they have to come to gripes with that fact.

Response by SGT Jdhddjcott Wellerehdsnsjwdnss made Nov 14 at 2023 6:33 PM

SGT Jdhddjcott Wellerehdsnsjwdnss — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:33:54 -0500

No action needed.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Nov 14 at 2023 8:40 PM

SFC John Gilmore — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 20:40:11 -0500

This is an interesting conversation, and I would suggest that from all the various responses I've read that we have an answer to whether such a display is or would be divisive. On one hand we have pride in a heritage, and on the other hand an example of prejudice. Now before I stir the pot too much...my family came to the colonies in the latter part of the 1700s, fought in the Revolution, and some time later fought for both sides during the Civil War. Fine, I can respect and understand the choices my ancestors made, and honor their sacrifices both blue and gray. However, the flag I fought under...the same flag my father before me fought under, and the same flag several of my friends are buried under is not the Stars and Bars, but Old Glory: the Stars and Stripes. IMO, on a military installation that should be the only National flag displayed period. IMO that would solve a lot of problems. Just saying.

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made Nov 15 at 2023 4:51 AM

SGT Lance LeBerte — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:51:45 -0500

leave it alone, it's history, this constant fight to preserve someones feelings is cultural genocide

Response by MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow made Nov 15 at 2023 4:52 PM

MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:52:14 -0500

Nothing.

Response by SPC Gary Tessman made Nov 15 at 2023 6:41 PM

SPC Gary Tessman — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:41:52 -0500

The action you should take SFC is... retire if you still don't understand the meaning and purpose of what you're fighting for. It's outlined in The Constitution. Soldiers should defend our Constitution and protect us from all enemies (tyrants) foreign and domestic! We carried that flag with us the whole time during Operation Desert Storm along with the American Flag. Noone complained or gave commentary the entire time! I'd say focus more on being a leader and less on being feelings police "to maintain order" and uphold and defend the Constitution with your life!

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Nov 15 at 2023 8:13 PM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 20:13:42 -0500

It's the CO's call. But I would remind everyone in uniform that we are part of a team and we depend on "good faith" with each other. Our passion must be focused on the team. Personal items that elevate personal passions can damage the "glue" that holds the team together.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2023 9:27 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 21:27:15 -0500

Regulation wise, your answer lies within your post. Let it be the commander's decision and if it offends someone, then they can remove it.

Just ensure that standard is fairly enforced. So if someone finds the pride flag offensive, or a flag that celebrates native American heritage offensive, or a black lives matter flag offensive, that the commander also removes it.

I get it. The "rebel flag" was one battle flag of many for the Confederates during the Civil War, who opposed the country's union. It could be seen as an "enemy flag" by our history, but that's touchy because so could any native American flag, if they even had one, due to their opposing to our army.

That said, I personally would not care for these historic symbols because... well, honestly because the meaning of symbols evolve over time. Sure, the "rebel flag" was once a battle flag of the enemy. But now? It's mostly a symbol of southern pride in the bravery of their historic warriors. So I don't care for it.

I would only care for are any flags that represent modern tension or sides because that can cause a disruption of unit cohesion. If I had it my way, I'd just authorize the American flag in soldiers' barracks because that is supposed to represent all of us, even the dumb ones, anyways.

But I also believe in the first ammendment.

Response by Cpl Joe Castro made Nov 15 at 2023 10:51 PM

Cpl Joe Castro — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:51:49 -0500

The rebel flag has taken a bad rap due to it's ties to slavery. But those with a decent history teaching understand that the "Stars and Bars", have a much deeper history than just the civil war era. The flag is still flown by many in the black community in the south and many other parts of the country, as they see it as part of their history and know that it goes back further than just than that the "South shall rise again". If there is a policy in place already regarding the display of any other flag other than that of the U.S., or military branch flag, than yes, a reprimand is in need for violating such policy. If it was displayed in a non-racist display, which from the article, sounds like it was, and there is not a policy enforce, than a one on one consultation voicing a concern on how it could cause an issue within the ranks, and just take it down for the better good.

Response by CPO David Ransom made Nov 15 at 2023 10:57 PM

CPO David Ransom — Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:57:42 -0500

They found a Bonnie Blue flag?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2023 3:14 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:14:09 -0500

Sounds like you answered your own question citing the regulation. It is the commanders choice if it is allowed or not.

Response by SPC Kim Price made Nov 16 at 2023 11:58 AM

SPC Kim Price — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 11:58:48 -0500

Why can’t a Southerner be proud of his heritage ? Is today’s military telling recruits that they don’t want trainees with Southern roots? I’m Damn proud of mine because I know they fought for Freedom !

Response by SP5 James Stockton made Nov 17 at 2023 8:50 AM

SP5 James Stockton — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:50:33 -0500

I am not sure what army regs say about the confederate flag. It is as much part of the southern mindset as the NAZI flag is to Germany. The person should, indeed, read a book - specifically a history book. Suggest they start with the myth of the glorious lost cause. Also suggest they read the documents of succession written every state legislature that was part of the confederatcy.

Response by CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2023 6:27 PM

CH (LTC) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 18:27:00 -0500

Successful information operations and propaganda have vilified a huge portion of our history and created a very tragic division amongst us. Most of us are well-familiar with the fact that less than two percent of the southern population owned any slaves at all and these Confederate Soldiers who starved to death and died from disease and were killed on battlefields did not give up their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor so the rich plantation owner, who wasn't anywhere near a battlefield (if most of them ever even knew one) could own slaves and get richer. No, the vast majority of them were fighting because their homes had been invaded by Union Soldiers.

As for the politics, it is historical fact that Jefferson Davis and members of his cabinet were writing, and receiving letters from SECWAR Seward who had made many promises that Fort Sumter would be vacated and turned over to South Carolina (as it is the main defense for the city of Charleston). However, it was constantly observed that the fort continued to be resupplied by Union troops and the Charlestonians were led to believe, instead of vacating the Fort the Union was preparing to invade the city. Increasingly concerned about this, Jeff Davis and members of his cabinet made a trip to DC to meet with Lincoln or Seward They stayed for two weeks and neither Lincoln nor Seward would meet with them, so they went back, demanded the Fort be surrendered for days, were refused, and finally fired a few shells and it was surrendered. This was called by Lincoln an "insurrection" despite the fact that Seward wrote numerous letters to Davis saying the Fort would be vacated. This is what we call "perfidy" in Just War Tradition.

And speaking of Just War Tradition, the Union violated all four tenets of Jus ad Bellum when they invaded Tennessee and Virginia. The Confederacy also violated only one tenet of Jus ad Bellum (preemptory strike) by firing on Fort Sumter even though careful plotting by Confederate shells resulted in no Union Soldiers being killed by Confederate rounds. I've always wondered what would have happened had they never fired on Fort Sumter. Either way, the rest is history. Secession had a lot to do with slavery, but the war was most definitely NOT about slavery; it was about subjugation and control of sovereign states.

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Nov 18 at 2023 3:02 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 15:02:58 -0500

If a private room, not a open bay barracks, I would take no action.

Response by SGT Earl Curtis made Nov 18 at 2023 5:37 PM

SGT Earl Curtis — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:37:03 -0500

As a kid, I watched the dukes of hazard county. There was a rebel flag painted on the hood. A lot of the racist content was missing with it and represented just being a rebel. Kind of a James Dean type. As political correctness progressed the flag fell out of favor. We should always remember that it was primarily a battle flag for the South and later to represent the South. It is a part of history regardless of how we feel. I think that it is also important to understand how Blacks feel since I served at a time when Blacks became a plurality.

Most Blacks feel deeply connected to the oppression of Blacks by Southern Democrats whether it was the Civil War or the Jim Crow Laws or the beginnings of the KKK. For this reason, I would listen with care to the person who displayed those colors. And then inform the person that for unit cohesiveness, request that he/she (now I understand there is the non-binary) or them to remove from display themselves and place in a place where it will do no harm. Also, if there is any blatant racism expressed then that will have to be noted. As a specialist, I was asked my company commander, a captain, about someone who had used the N word in desperation dealing with a Black soldier who was just not working for him for some reason. As if the N word would somehow motivate the soldier. I knew all this background because I witnessed it. I simply told the Company Commander that even though that specialist was a skilled and knowledgeable vehicle mechanic and had the support of his immediate black NCO, he was totally lost in dealing with the new Army and how to motivate troops of a different cultural and race background.

I earned my E-5 Sergeant stripes under three years and feel that the whole context is as important as the few words or symbols that everyone is talking about. My prayers for you as you work with these difficult and ofttimes stressful situations and events.

Response by SFC Dr. Jesus Garcia-Arce, Psy.D made Nov 18 at 2023 11:07 PM

SFC Dr. Jesus Garcia-Arce, Psy.D — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 23:07:22 -0500

Nothing. we are in the nation we people for everywhere. When I was on active duty I use my Puertorrican Flag in my room, nothing happened .

Response by PO2 Mike Brinningstaull made Nov 20 at 2023 10:43 AM

PO2 Mike Brinningstaull — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:43:34 -0500

Any iteration of a rebel flag stands for traitors to our constitution and our republic. Reprimand and possible confinement should be taken.

Response by SSG William Zopff III made Dec 8 at 2023 4:29 PM

SSG William Zopff III — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 16:29:11 -0500

What matters is the Commanders Policy, if the Policy says no flags in the barracks room. Ask the soldier to remove the flag permanently, it doesn’t matter what someone else thinks! Most soldiers don’t have much personal space, if a Commander finds an item in a barracks room that is close to a challenge or is questionable; the Commander needs to interview the soldier and determine their intent. Even if the interview needs to happen at JAG or with a representative. Protect the Commander’s Policies and the rights of the soldier; STOP with the accusations. That flag may have some personal value to the soldier; if other soldiers don’t approve, don’t go in his room. Don’t assume the flag means something more about that person, God didn’t put us here to judge others.

Response by PO2 Mike Brinningstaull made Dec 9 at 2023 9:50 AM

PO2 Mike Brinningstaull — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 09:50:08 -0500

This flag is traitor propaganda not fit for the American idealism

Response by SPC John Dodge made Dec 9 at 2023 11:27 AM

SPC John Dodge — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 11:27:06 -0500

Are you sure it was not a state flag? Some states had the Stars and Bars in the union section of the flag.

Response by SrA Wendell Yancy made Dec 10 at 2023 3:42 PM

SrA Wendell Yancy — Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:42:43 -0500

The civil war lasted 4 years. The space force almost has more cultural significance than the confederacy at this point. Y’all need to stop defending enemies of the state. Especially ones that lost.

Response by SrA Wendell Yancy made Dec 10 at 2023 4:17 PM

SrA Wendell Yancy — Sun, 10 Dec 2023 16:17:21 -0500

The stars and bars style flag came back into popularity in 1948. It was used as the flag for the states rights Democratic Party which formed as a result of Truman and integration pushes for the military. So yeah, this flag in particular is especially problematic within the context of the US military.

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made Dec 10 at 2023 6:24 PM

CW3 Charles Morris — Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:24:00 -0500

I'd recommend 'cracking open' 'Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner's Reckonig with the Myth of the Lost Cause' by Brigadier General Ty Seifule, Professor Emeritus of History at West Point, to get another viewpoint on the South and the Confederate flag.

Response by Cpl Gerard Babin made Dec 13 at 2023 10:21 PM

Cpl Gerard Babin — Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:21:41 -0500

As a Southern Native I can tell you that many black brothers in arms understand exactly what the flag stands for and it has nothing to do with racism as they wear it proudly on their skin. Article 1 if the bill of rights gives freedom of speach and expression to all free born citizens. It may offend liberals but not black conservatives who understand and know what each thread of the confederate flag represents.

Response by PO3 Rob Laity made Dec 14 at 2023 3:08 AM

PO3 Rob Laity — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:08:22 -0500

After the Civil war President Lincoln "buried the" proverbial "hatchet" pardoning all confederate soldiers AND qualifying them as US Veterans. The Confederate flag is a historical flag. There is no more Confederacy. The flag a historical remnant of a past era. That said, however, it still elicits racial undertones when displayed in inappropriate settings (other than a Confederate cemetery or museum). I would order the flag removed from any Military Barracks as an inappropriate display.

Response by SSG Joseph Haggerty made Dec 14 at 2023 8:49 AM

SSG Joseph Haggerty — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:49:04 -0500

That’s a hard call in today’s environment. Don’t believe it is a direct violation, the company/battalion commander has a broad hand in what happens in their respective AO’s. I believe you should be able how to demonstrate your constitutional rights, as a volunteer soldier you agree to be part of something larger than yourself. Some liberties are curtailed or limited while part of a group. You must remain neutral while in the main line of the service and then be allowed to express your right. Unfortunately as a service member, cop or government worker in general, you have to be careful.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Dec 14 at 2023 11:33 AM

PVT Mark Whitcomb — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:33:17 -0500

Soldiers who fought in all wars kept flags from their defeated enemies. what's the problem??

Response by CPL Henry Miller made Dec 14 at 2023 5:26 PM

CPL Henry Miller — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:26:16 -0500

What was the goal of the Southern States?

Response by PO3 Derek Suddreth made Dec 15 at 2023 6:47 AM

PO3 Derek Suddreth — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 06:47:11 -0500

Several Southern states have 'modified rebel' flags as their state flags, including Alabama, Georgia and Florida. The 26th North Carolina Troops, CSA, carried colors very similar to the modern NC State Flag. Do we forget history and ban these flags also?
PO3 Derek Suddreth

Response by CSM Bob Stanek made Dec 15 at 2023 9:04 AM

CSM Bob Stanek — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:04:16 -0500

A simple question to your question... If you take that flag down, would you take down then a BLM, or a LGBT or a Trans or a State or another country flag or what about a unit flag from another unit? Where do you draw the line? Does the commander place it into their unit SOP that the only flag to be allowed to hang or flown in a specific area (rooms included) would be the US Flag and the Unit flag?

What if we push it even farther. In the 60s and 70s, it was very common that there were posters in all the rooms of women from playboy and hustler and other soft porn magazines. Would you make soldiers take them down now? My commander did along with other items deemed insulting by other soldiers (male or female). Basically, his thought was that if it was military issued, it wasn't visible.

Slippery slope as they say.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Dec 15 at 2023 8:17 PM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:17:31 -0500

Same as a German advocating for the Nazis. Jews "and other undesirables" in 1 instance, blacks in the other.

Response by Capt Clay Parcels made Dec 16 at 2023 8:32 AM

Capt Clay Parcels — Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:32:05 -0500

If not specifically prohibited, I would simply advise the person how some may view the flag and leave it at that. I have no problem with it personally but am obliged to advise anyone my command how they may be viewed by others.

Response by SP5 George Smith made Dec 16 at 2023 1:31 PM

SP5 George Smith — Sat, 16 Dec 2023 13:31:53 -0500

I’m sure someone will throw in the First Amendment, but…a big Bertha butt…what does the company commander want to see to develop and maintain a cohesive unit? I remember the old speech by Drill Sergeant about not caring if we were white, black, yellow, He only saw GREEN! That pretty much summed it up. We live and learn as one and that’s how we go to war. Plain and simple, Kowalski, plain and simple.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Dec 16 at 2023 2:21 PM

SFC Robert Walton — Sat, 16 Dec 2023 14:21:12 -0500

1st if you have not had any complaints it is not really an issue. If you have had a complaint Check in the CQ log and or the Commanders written rules of barracks rules that holds the presidents of what is not to be displayed.
It is a matter of History GOOD OR BAD. I am not a fond lover of erasing History. I also DO NOT believe removing one rights without a written rule from the commander.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Dec 17 at 2023 12:56 PM

LCpl Richard Lally — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 12:56:27 -0500

The "Stars and Bars" are a representative of a troubled time. I believe it is still a part of American History and should be respected as such

Response by PO1 Mike Smith made Dec 20 at 2023 6:46 AM

PO1 Mike Smith — Wed, 20 Dec 2023 06:46:33 -0500

I had a rebel flag (stars and bars) in my barracks room the whole time I was in the barracks. No problems back then. Study history to know all about the flag. Better that than a pride flag.

Response by SFC Bob Kreidler made Dec 20 at 2023 2:32 PM

SFC Bob Kreidler — Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:32:24 -0500

The Army should NEVER BE INVOLVED IN POLITICAL CORRECTNESS I was in when none of this mattered black white brown yellow didn't matter we were all brothers in arms and none of this matters in combat unity and obey orders period

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Dec 21 at 2023 11:02 AM

SGT Jody Beach — Thu, 21 Dec 2023 11:02:55 -0500

Let it be. That war ended 158 years ago. Whites and blacks fought against one another because the governing bodies and rich men decided that is how it would be.
Many people have families that were raised in the south and have deep heritage to this. If your going to ban the confederate flag then you need to ban all flags other than American flag.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Dec 25 at 2023 9:33 AM

1SG James Kelly — Mon, 25 Dec 2023 09:33:02 -0500

Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?

Stupid is offensive to me but I still have to 'put up' with it.

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Jan 14 at 2024 10:32 PM

PO2 Gary Riedl — Sun, 14 Jan 2024 22:32:22 -0500

Action? None.

Response by CPO Christian Wilson made Jan 16 at 2024 7:25 AM

CPO Christian Wilson — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 07:25:11 -0500

If trump wins, it will only get worse when he invokes the insurrection act and starts imprisoning those who oppose him.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2024 2:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:56:23 -0500

The confederacy lasted four years. If that’s all people who claim southern “heritage” cling to, then they are seditionist sympathizers and a threat to good order and discipline. I’m a proud North Carolinian and I view the confederacy like Germans view the Nazi period. It happened, nothing at all to be proud about, and I’ll do everything in my power to ensure it never happens again.

Response by SMSgt Steve Woofter made Jan 17 at 2024 8:45 AM

SMSgt Steve Woofter — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 08:45:17 -0500

This is a much deeper discussion than we can have here, but a few thoughts …..
To the people on here who claim “history not hate.” I missed your protest about misuse of your historical flag when: the Klan marched down my street in the late 80s screaming obscenities (you do know what the Klan stands for right), I missed your vehement protest when people proudly waved your historical flag as they screamed obscenities at young kids trying to get into school or when they burned the cross at Uncle Louis’s house. These just to name a few incidents when no one claimed their historical flag was being misused. The people waving your historical flag definitely weren’t carrying it for historical purposes and therefore the flag became a symbol to those on the other side of it, of, well,…. “HATE.”
I personally find the flag very offensive, but hey that’s just me. As a soldier and NCO I have seen bigotry go both ways. My job was and still is to try and do right by my fellow humans.
I have an interest in studying the history of the civil war, reading about and visiting over twenty battlefields, and studying the aftermath. I hope we NEVER repeat that again.
Those who want their flag, you obviously have it. But don’t be offended and complain because we’re not all behind you on it.

Response by SPC Glenn Norris made Jan 20 at 2024 4:57 AM

SPC Glenn Norris — Sat, 20 Jan 2024 04:57:16 -0500

I don’t know, the guys I served with had pretty thick skin can’t imagine any snowflakes making it through basic and remain so…

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Jan 20 at 2024 8:13 PM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Sat, 20 Jan 2024 20:13:49 -0500

What action would you take for a BLM flag? A pride flag? A MAGA flag? How does the command decide which are acceptable and which are not? The most common answer to this in the past has been “no flags in the barracks”.

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Jan 25 at 2024 10:55 PM

PFC Tim Arnett — Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:55:28 -0500

WHEN I SERVED IN THE 70'S WE ALL HAD TO ATTEND RACE RELATIONS CLASSES TO MAKE CLEAR OUR STREET SENSE DIDN'T AFFECT OUR MILLITARY COHESION. AS SUCH I NEVER SAW ANY ISSUES UNTIL THE LAST YEAR OF MY ENLISTMENT FROM THE NEWRER CRUITS, AND IT WASN'T GOOD. ALSO I LEARNED NOT TO BE POLILTICAL, ESPECIALLY NOT ENGAGING IN TALK, WHICH ATACKED OUR CURRENT POTUS. THAT SUGGESTION CAME FROM A BRIG GENERAL, AND I TOOK IT TO HEART. AS A SOLDIER OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY, WHOSE FAMILY SERVED UNDER THE FLAG OF THE SAME DURING THE CIVIL WAR, ALL I CAN SAY IT, WLL YOU SAY YOUR COLORS DON'T RUN, BUT THE UNION WAS PRESERVED AT THE COST OF NEARLY 700,000 IN A BLOODY CIVIL WAR. THE SOUTH LOST, AND NAZI GERMANY LOST AND JAPAN LOST. WHAT FLAG DO YOU FACE AT MORNING AND EVENING FORMATION? DO YOU WISH IT WAS THE STARS AND BARS, OR ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR NAITONS FLAG? IF YOU DESIRE THE OLD DEFEATED FLAG OF THE CONFEDERACY, THEN GET OUT AND START YOUR OWN NATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE COMMANDER HAS EVERY REASON TO KEEP HIS NUIT TIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS TRAINED FOR COMBAT DEPLOYMENT, SO WHETHER IT IS OFFENSIVE TO SOME OR NOT, IT SHOULD BE REMOVED.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 27 at 2024 1:45 PM

1SG John Millan — Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:45:15 -0500

Nothing. Grow up.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Mar 18 at 2024 8:18 AM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 08:18:27 -0400

That's their room. Not yours. If we look for trouble we usually find it, or wish we didn't.

Response by PO2 Joseph Basler made Mar 19 at 2024 3:14 PM

PO2 Joseph Basler — Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:14:32 -0400

It is a touchy situation brought on by the Media. I, as a patriot, do respect the confederate flag and do not object to its display. It is a part of our history and deserves recognition. It does not endorse slavery or supports this idea. Lets keep an open mind on American History and live together peacefully

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Mar 19 at 2024 9:48 PM

SGT Erick Holmes — Tue, 19 Mar 2024 21:48:59 -0400

I'm sure if you look really hard and had 30 people read the same AR-600 etc you will have 40 different interperations. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm pretty sure if people were reslly offended by it then Im sure it would have been taken down however, SSG Gerhard is right I also have some Mexican Soldiers and Puertorican flag as well and some haitian flags were hung. Again for me I never felt that it was offensive. Its your home. The place where you started. Yes the Stars and Stripes is your #1 flag to defend no matter what but what is wrong with having a little piece of home either tattoo on ya or hung in your barracks. I do see the Nazi flag as all kinds of offensive. As a man of a darker color (lord forgive me on this) I don't see the confederate flag as an offensive flag. It's history that I wasn't even apart of let alone even thought of. I do see both sides of it but I also have a lot of other day to day activities that consume my day and I don't have the time to worry about dumb shit that would offend. Sorry for cussing but its the truth. All in all having another countries flag hung in the barracks who cares. To me it makes me want to learn about my battle buddy even more. Take it for what its worth.

Response by CPL Ruben Calderon made Mar 19 at 2024 10:43 PM

CPL Ruben Calderon — Tue, 19 Mar 2024 22:43:59 -0400

If a person wants to hang a flag other than the American flag then they should wait until they ETS out of the stint to jeopardize morale, It is hard enough when you are stationed overseas and someone pulls out an Educadoranan flag or one from Canada and has a brawl because of indifferences, it has no place in our Military when being in the Military is hard enough believe me I know, it happen when I was stationed in Grafenveir, Germany some joker brought out a Nazi flag and all hell broke loose in the worst place called stab and jabs (1977), NCO'S are the backbone of the Army and need to be alert and supervise there men troops they know who they are and every thing will be everything.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Mar 20 at 2024 12:20 AM

SP5 Wick Humble — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 00:20:03 -0400

Is it remotely possible that the Confederate Battle Flag is there as a test of your/Army policy, or as a challenge? That could be sticky! Buck it up the line; first -- it could be a big issue. Then, ask the soldado in question if there is any offense meant to other troops, esp. ones whose ancestors were enslaved by the Confederacy, and if so could the message be communicated in a less provocative format. Third, mention some of the points expressed in these other responses, and how if offense was taken it might spin out of control -- or, how would that person feel if other flags, etc. were posted. Begs imagination!
I assume this wasn't put up to support any current insurrections, but only commemorate an ancient one, oc. Boy, glad it's not me!
As a E-4 graphic artist 81E20 in 1969-70, a senior non-com asked me to design a 'peace' flag that in actuality was the Nazi Kriegsmarine battle flag, with the 'stop the bombardment' peace sign substituted for the swastika -- of all things! I immediately suspected an entrapment by CID or someone -- this was the era of peace marches, etc. -- but would have declined emphatically anyway! I never heard any more about it, nor saw the SFC again, either. BTW, I think that the Japanese 'rising sun rays' banner is the Imperial Japanese Nave battle ensign, the national flag the simple red-dot hinomaru. Confirm?

Response by Sgt Brett Shaul made Mar 20 at 2024 12:19 PM

Sgt Brett Shaul — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:19:19 -0400

You look at the times prior to the Civil War, where did the military members serve? Army, Navy, Marines? But yet differences came to light and the Civil War began (we all have our beliefs on why it started but we're not going there now), so where did all these soldiers, sailors and Marines go to support their causes? Some so-called experts say the South were all "Traitors", and as someone posted, Lincoln stated these Southern states were never not part of the United States. Moving on as we Marines alway state "Once A Marine, Always A Marine", we fought as Marines on both sides (just like the army and navy), unfortunately I don't recall the history books mentioning this aspect as they probably didn't care about that, IDK? So me if someone doesn't like the fact that a Marine prior to the CW ended up fighting on the Southern side, its really too bad, they were not "renounced" as Marines, so basically just deal with it.

Response by PV2 Douglas Hainilne made Mar 20 at 2024 7:45 PM

PV2 Douglas Hainilne — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 19:45:37 -0400

Give him an immediate promotion. Note the names of all the people who want to erase American history and get them out of the service.

Response by SFC Chad Kozdra made Mar 21 at 2024 7:13 PM

SFC Chad Kozdra — Thu, 21 Mar 2024 19:13:38 -0400

What is a rebel flag? You mean a confederate flag? If so, it is a cultural flag and if it is displayed in the Soldiers room, it is his or her right. Remember you and I took an oath to the Constitution.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2024 6:16 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:16:45 -0400

Nothing. It's free speech inside of his own barracks room. Find something more important to complain about. Like it or not, one of the rights we all signed up to protect.

Response by SGM Buck Bowman made Mar 22 at 2024 9:39 PM

SGM Buck Bowman — Fri, 22 Mar 2024 21:39:44 -0400

Then when you see a black panther flag or Black Lives Matter flag or rainbow flag it’s and issue you know what that’ flag represents so why display it just asking for attention

Response by PO3 Linda Wood made Mar 23 at 2024 10:21 AM

PO3 Linda Wood — Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:21:01 -0400

The flag actually represent an insurrection against The United States of America. The Rebel Flag represents all those Who took this
Country to War to fight to keep Slavery! That's what it stands for plain & simple..Don't "Dress It Up & Take It Out for Dinner"..to try to make it more appetizing!? It's A No Go!

Response by PFC Charles Chambliss made Mar 23 at 2024 3:55 PM

PFC Charles Chambliss — Sat, 23 Mar 2024 15:55:06 -0400

As long as the flag in question is in the soldiers personal space,it shouldn,t cause any problems.Jonas Salk perfected the polio vaccine at the Tuskegee Institute,which was owned by a black professor.he was Jewish and not allowed to work in white owned laboratories.

Response by PO1 Douglas Bushee made Mar 24 at 2024 10:12 PM

PO1 Douglas Bushee — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 22:12:38 -0400

The flag was not on display for others to see. It was hidden in his room probably in a locker with his personal effects. Don’t see a problem.

Response by MSgt Harry Campbell made Apr 10 at 2024 6:26 PM

MSgt Harry Campbell — Wed, 10 Apr 2024 18:26:50 -0400

Sir I am not trying to be disrespectful, but you failed to answer the question. No one asked where you have a rebel flag on your body or the history of the flag. Actually, to each his own. The question was about finding one during a barracks inspection. What I like about this site is most respondents actually respond to the question asked.

Response by PO3 David Keck made Apr 25 at 2024 6:54 PM

PO3 David Keck — Thu, 25 Apr 2024 18:54:21 -0400

If today's military has no problem with a pride flag then they certainly should not have an issue with a confederate battle flag.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2024 10:32 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:32:49 -0400

"Hanging in his room". Is that a one or two soldier room?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2024 2:18 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:18:47 -0400

High five?

Response by Cpl Darrin Pruett made Apr 29 at 2024 4:10 PM

Cpl Darrin Pruett — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:10:04 -0400

Growing up in rural and small towns in the Mississippi Delta in Arkansas the "rebel" flag was commonplace. A lot of people had one on their front license plate, "whites", "blacks", and "natives."
Later on when I was at my first duty station in 83 I was stationed at El Toro and wore a t-shirt that had the flag on it. A young man in line with me at a fast food place turned and told me, "I like your shirt." I said thank you. He then repeated it looking a bit angry and said again with ba gruff voice, "I like your shirt." I thought it was a bit strange that he keeps complimenting my shirt, yet looks mad. When I went back to the barracks I mentioned the odd behavior to a Lance Corporal that was a bit older and he explained to me that the young man was probally offended by the flag on my shirt. He explained some people's viewpoint as to why the flag is offensive to them. So, I stopped wearing it, it wasn't that important to me. But, nobody mandated that I not wear it.
Now, if someone was to be offended from me wearing a cross, then that would be their problem.
I can see the military banning some symbols, such as nazi and other hate groups, but where do they draw the line? I heard about some men at a sports event was brained the another man just cause they were offended by the symbols on his clothes supporting the other team.
Does the military need to ban everything that someone finds offensive? Then what about when someone thinks the American flag is offensive too?
I read once that the military investigate military members that have "Don't Tread on Me" flags, or tattoos for being radicals. But, wasn't that from the revelutionary war days?

Response by SPC Stiv ChenRobbins made Apr 29 at 2024 9:04 PM

SPC Stiv ChenRobbins — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 21:04:25 -0400

"a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline." so was there an incident showing the flag had caused any disturbance of order or discipline? I mean, it sounds like it was up there and nobody was objecting to it... but then again if you want to force them to remove it, feel free. You have power over the person who hung it, you can use it. Just don't pretend you are somehow virtuous for doing so. You are doing what you want, because you want to.

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Apr 29 at 2024 9:33 PM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 21:33:01 -0400

The Rebel flag is also part of our history, and I would not take any action. It made me very upset renaming Army posts like Ft Hood to a different name.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Apr 30 at 2024 12:11 PM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:11:24 -0400

I think it would depend on where and how it was displayed or kept by the service member. I assume the flag in question is the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. This flag has been used as a racist symbol as well as a symbol of regional (Southern) pride. Since I am not a Southerner I would never have or display one, and I care about messages I send with symbols. The South certainly has no monopoly on racism, but it has an association with slavery and discrimination. Many African Americans consider these threatening or offensive, and I would rather not be part of such against any ethnic group. We are all Americans. I would try not to take offense to the "Rebel" flag, but I would suggest the person who displays it be sensitive to others who might.

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made May 1 at 2024 8:37 AM

Sgt Michael Clifford — Wed, 01 May 2024 08:37:08 -0400

The "rebel" flag is the banner of an enemy country. Today that same flag is more often being used to symbolize resistance to authority. It shold not be displayed in any US military facility. The owner should pack it up and send it home.

Response by SGT Joseph Bogart made May 4 at 2024 9:40 AM

SGT Joseph Bogart — Sat, 04 May 2024 09:40:12 -0400

This is a ridiculous question and one that would only be brought up by someone who is either easily offended or racist on some level. Stop pushing your personal views on everyone else!

Response by PO1 Cassandra Johnson Birzes made May 4 at 2024 6:56 PM

PO1 Cassandra Johnson Birzes — Sat, 04 May 2024 18:56:58 -0400

I am American ADOS (African Descendant of Slaves) from the south. If the room is not shared with others there may be some leeway: removed during official events. Otherwise it needs to be kept in a private locker.
I experienced walking into my first barracks room (shared with two others) seeing a large stars and bars flag on the wall. I was not offended. I was terrified and traumatized. Any sense of community evaporated. I tried to be re-assigned to a different room and was denied. I never felt safe. Fortunately my roommates weren't around much, and ignored me when on-site. Isolation in a communal space is traumatizing psychologically. For room inspections, I cleaned alone. Was it because I was the lowest ranking person or .....
Symbols act powerfully on the subconscious (like a reflex) for good or bad. If we are to share space what is displayed needs to reinforce shared values.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made May 5 at 2024 3:31 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sun, 05 May 2024 15:31:33 -0400

Our country has become a cesspool of political correctness, but only for someone's agenda. Thank goodness the IG stepped in and gave some practicality to the situation.
Never give up fighting for what is right.

Response by Maj Rob Drury made May 6 at 2024 12:08 AM

Maj Rob Drury — Mon, 06 May 2024 00:08:17 -0400

What "common sense" suggests that it shouldn't be there? That emblem is a symbol of a great southern heritage. I realize that there is a huge ignorant segment of our society that has somehow interpreted it as inherently racist, but I would hope that military commanders would not be guilty of that type of ignorance.

Response by Sgt Charles Riley made May 6 at 2024 2:27 PM

Sgt Charles Riley — Mon, 06 May 2024 14:27:38 -0400

I had a rebel flag over my bunk in Vietnam and it could be seen by anyone walking by the barracks. Some of the black dudes didn't like it and demanded I take it down. I told them to kiss my behind and it escalated to where our 1st Sergeant got involved. Luckily, for me, the 1st Sergeant was from WV as I am and he told them to stay the hell away from me and my barracks or they would spend some time in jail, LOL

Response by PO2 Stephen Brownell made May 28 at 2024 2:58 PM

PO2 Stephen Brownell — Tue, 28 May 2024 14:58:02 -0400

When I was overseas I had a total of 25 flags on my locker .I had Irish flag , Japanese, Mexican, Italian, French and more all I was asked is when I leave take them down .

Response by CPT Jim Lee made Jun 3 at 2024 1:06 PM

CPT Jim Lee — Mon, 03 Jun 2024 13:06:51 -0400

Much more important things to address than the TN Battle flag. Readiness, training status, qualifications… etc. waste of time , on a non-issue.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 16 at 2024 4:32 AM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sun, 16 Jun 2024 04:32:20 -0400

I Remember having this conversation before it was a big issue, a fellow Chief told a junior service member he could not have or fly the Democratic party Southern battle flag, on base I asked why?
I said the Democratic slave states were defeated, over a 130 years ago.

he responded because it was Bigoted, & Racist ,
I said ok,
but wouldn't make more sense to say the reason you cannot fly the southern battle flag is because the Elected Democratic controlled leaders in the south, Seceded from the union and that Treason

The southern battle flag Represented the Democratic party attempt to secede from the union , and the Democratic party battle for the Right of the Democratic controlled southern states to own and keep slavery, though out the Democratic southern states .
he replied the southern flag Represent slavey & Racism
I replied, yes that is true , this is your main reason?

He said yes, his main Reason was because the Southern Flag Flew over Slavery
my answer to him was , that the southern flag should be removed because it was Treason,

I then pointed out the Reason the Democratic controlled Southern slave states, Secede from the union, was for the Dem controlled southern states rights to keep and own Slavery !

I also told him the Reason the Democratic controlled slave states Seceded from the Union was to fight a Civil War for the Dem controlled Slave states Rights to own and keep slavery ,I SAID ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is read TO KNOW THIS IS A TRUE STAEMENT, just READ THE Democratic southern controlled states Declaration of Independence and Constitution, it in the 1st paragraph

yet I TOLD HIM if that was his only reason, to remove the Southern flag, was because it flew over slavery, that it will not be long, before someone START DEMANDING we remove the American Flag, because it Flew over slavery since June 14th, 1777, the American Flag Flew over Slavery up until April 12 1861 , when the United States went to war with the Democratic Controlled slave states. remember it was the Democratic Controlled Confederate States that attacked union troops at 04:30 April 12 1861

this Chief got upset with me, when I told him if his only reason for removing the southern flag was because it flew over states that Owned Slaves , that it would not be long before we have elected Officials demanding we remove the American Flag, for the same reason, he said what do I mean by that? I said the American Flag had been flying over states that owned Slaves since
June 14, 1777 , that ended when THE ANERICAN CIVAL WAR STARTED AT 04:30 ON APRIL 12 1861

I then said it will not be long before we have citizens and elected officials demanding we remove and destroy the American Flag, I made this statement around 2002 , sadly I have seen it come true

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2024 9:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Jun 2024 09:45:41 -0400

It’s a tricky situation. You don’t want rebel flags all over the barracks! The big thing in service is the word “Perception”. Every militia member should be able to live in the barracks with the sense of safety and and without a perception of discrimination. Even though it’s a black person that is not issue. If one feel a certain way we all have to promote respect among our fellow service members. Also living on post you live in a government building and it has rules and regulations that cover buildings on post. They need to get promoted or get a dependent and move off post and he can have whatever he or she posted in their own home

Response by SP6 David Ballard made Jun 17 at 2024 3:58 PM

SP6 David Ballard — Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:58:32 -0400

First choose your terminology better. It is the confederate battle flag, not a rebel flag. One could argue that the United States flag is a rebel flag, Just ask the British. The question isn’t whether or not there are they confederate battle flag hanging in someone’s room because that’s not the issue the issue is the persons individual and personal belief system in regards to that flag. There are always two sides to a story and a bigger picture to see

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Jun 17 at 2024 11:40 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Mon, 17 Jun 2024 23:40:33 -0400

Should we Ban every person who identifies or votes Democrat? After all they were the Slave owners, Confederate military, Founders of the KKK, Authors of Jim Crow law, Anti Civil Rights….. wait a minute that means we would need to ban 80% of blacks 40% of whites from military service.
Maybe what we should focus on is being AMERICANS with a proud and somewhat troublesome past and remember this is 2024 and time to move forward and live up to our Founders dream of a “more perfect Union”.

Response by LTC Gregg Powell US Army Ret. made Jun 18 at 2024 2:38 PM

LTC Gregg Powell US Army Ret. — Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:38:31 -0400

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Suspect you'd say the same about the Gadsden flag.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Jun 18 at 2024 2:52 PM

SGT Robert Andrews — Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:52:04 -0400

None ... If the person is actually from the south it's more along the line of heritage not racism. AND HAVING actually been accused of being racist being white from the south in a mostly black platoon totally unfounded My life was made miserable over 1 person thinking because I'm from the south I'm automatically racist.

Response by SFC Gregory Cruzado made Jun 18 at 2024 4:37 PM

SFC Gregory Cruzado — Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:37:54 -0400

No reason needs to be given. I’m the Chief of this tribe and I order you to take it down. Have the NCOIC of that soldier repot back to ensure that orders were complied with. Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill hill. We all know what it means let’s keep it moving.

Response by CH (MAJ) Nick Raphael made Jun 18 at 2024 10:21 PM

CH (MAJ) Nick Raphael — Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:21:14 -0400

Every soldier raises his or her right hand and swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The rebel flag is a symbol of rebellion against the Constitution. It is also a symbol of white supremacy, a notion that is completely at odds with America’s foundational idea of “all are created equal” Clearly and with no doubt about it a rebel flag has no place anywhere anytime on a US military installation.

Response by Maj Howard Clarke made Jun 19 at 2024 9:37 AM

Maj Howard Clarke — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:37:39 -0400

Leaders,
While personal expression is important, it's crucial to recognize when symbols negatively impact unit cohesion and morale. The Confederate flag, regardless of modification, carries historical baggage that's undeniably linked to slavery, division, and loss of life.
Our military history should be a source of unity, not division. Just as displaying the Nazi flag would be inappropriate, so too is the Confederate flag due to its associations. Recent removal of Confederate symbols from state properties and military bases underscores this shift.
As leaders, we foster an environment where everyone feels valued and respected. While cultural heritage is important, symbols that cause offense or undermine good order and discipline have no place in our ranks. The Soldier's background doesn't change the potential harm such a symbol can cause.
I commend your proactive approach to maintaining a positive command climate. Open communication and education about these sensitive topics are key to building a stronger, more inclusive military.

Response by Amn James Clark made Jun 19 at 2024 11:26 AM

Amn James Clark — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:26:12 -0400

As the flag has become a symbol for white supremacy, I would submit that it's detrimental to unit cohesion.

Response by CDR Mike Kovack made Jun 19 at 2024 1:18 PM

CDR Mike Kovack — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:18:21 -0400

I think any symbols of groups or organizations that have been traitorous to the United States should certainly be taken down. There's no question the confederacy was traitorous to the United States...

Response by Capt Gilbert Nelson made Jun 19 at 2024 4:13 PM

Capt Gilbert Nelson — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:13:15 -0400

I never had this happen, but one time my Colonel and I were inspecting and we found a nazi flag. The Colonel ripped it down, handed it to me and said take care of this! I called the young man into my office and the sad part about it was he didn’t understand why it was offensive.

Response by SSG Tammy Joy Partridge made Jun 20 at 2024 3:11 PM

SSG Tammy Joy Partridge — Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:11:44 -0400

When I was in that was a post commander policy. While sometimes it is a sign of pride it is also sometimes a sign of something else.

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made Jun 20 at 2024 9:31 PM

SGT Lance LeBerte — Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:31:00 -0400

I would take no action, if soldiers are "offended" by a flag.... then get rid of every flag other than ours. so, no Malcom X flags, no foreign flags, no pride flags, nothing

Response by SPC Julio R. made Jun 22 at 2024 11:40 AM

SPC Julio R. — Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:40:17 -0400

white supremacy running rampant in the service. the klanservative reich wing magasexuals are the only ones that will die for that insurrectionist flag. also idgaf what "rich history" bs you want to spill but that flag is garbage. traitors, if they had it their way their way jim crow would be rule of law. but the way some of these klanservative reich wing states make laws its seems nothings changed.

Response by PVT Alejandro Rivera made Jun 22 at 2024 2:43 PM

PVT Alejandro Rivera — Sat, 22 Jun 2024 14:43:24 -0400

The rainbow flag offends me as do pictures of democrats if fair is fair remove rainbow flags and then we'll talk about other flags if unwilling to remove rainbow flags only US and Army flags will be authorized in my barracks.

Response by SPC Max Waller made Jun 22 at 2024 10:28 PM

SPC Max Waller — Sat, 22 Jun 2024 22:28:52 -0400

study the works of the combat veteran who is 3 time recipient of the united States of America's Congressional Medal Of Honor Smedley Darlington Butler (1881 - 1940) and the combat Howard Zinn (1920 - 2010) - every flag from the past to the present has a proven representation of hypocrisies depending on research with how an individual to more than 2 people chose to support no matter the immediate to later consequences - the flags of the Confederate States of America including the united States of America represents supremacy and racism and hypocrisies that does not deserved to be showcased anywhere - there is no such thing as the lesser evil - 7:22 pm Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Saturday, 22 June 2024 leap year

Response by PO1 Papa Dukes made Jun 23 at 2024 10:34 AM

PO1 Papa Dukes — Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:34:28 -0400

The decision is totally at the Commanders discretion as per the regulations. He can simply ask it to be removed or have it removed.

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Jun 23 at 2024 12:34 PM

SrA Cecelia Eareckson — Sun, 23 Jun 2024 12:34:33 -0400

You went looking, and you found it. You were not acting in response to any complaint. So, you have no offense against "good order and discipline." Would love to see a follow-up.

Response by SGT Corey Sandberg made Jun 26 at 2024 1:33 PM

SGT Corey Sandberg — Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:33:28 -0400

What should be done? Nothing. Carry on.
What a strange question, or maybe I am unaware of some weird new rule the Army implemented about hanging inanimate objects on your walls? Also, "not white?" WTF does that mean? Is the answer supposed to vary for different soldiers? These petty things, and statements like that, didn't exist when I was in. We were all just 'green' back then, and just worried about your room being clean, healthy, and legal, not what objects you had in your drawers or on your walls.

Response by LTC Denis Sullivan made Jul 17 at 2024 4:55 PM

LTC Denis Sullivan — Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:55:20 -0400

Substitute that flag for the "Pride" flag. Ask yourself if you'd be in trouble for making a soldier remove their "Pride" flag.

Response by Pvt Robert Johnson made Jul 18 at 2024 2:27 PM

Pvt Robert Johnson — Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:27:38 -0400

You do absolutely nothing!! It’s part of our history and is in no way racist , that idea was created by liberals as a way to get the black vote and nothing more.

Response by SGT Nickolas Ortiz made Jul 18 at 2024 11:55 PM

SGT Nickolas Ortiz — Thu, 18 Jul 2024 23:55:44 -0400

There are much more important issues to address going against our Republic and our Military… FLAGS are irrelevant. It’s the latest “hate” the Left uses to hold people to an arbitrary agenda they have. So what? Who cares? I find ANY American Citizen flay a foreign flag repugnant. But I also support their right to be repugnant under the 1st Amendment.

Response by SPC Cory Thomson made Jul 19 at 2024 3:48 AM

SPC Cory Thomson — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 03:48:04 -0400

You want a failed rebellion flag, fine, keep it. Don’t display it on government property and you will be fine. When you’re not in the military anymore you are free to be as dumb as any other American citizen, until Uncle Sam releases you, you are bound by your oath and UCMJ to adhere to the laws and regulations of the military. You give up certain freedoms and liberties in order to make your self part of the military. Dress right dress, cover down, there are myriad reasons for why we do things the way we do them. Not all are obvious, and some may seem stupid. Some may only be because of tradition, navy plebs smash peanut butter with their heads while disparaging the army, it’s stupid and wasteful, but it’s a tradition. Saluting is an archaic tradition that serves to establish respect, but it’s outdated. It’s not the practical motion that it used to be but we keep it for many reasons. Not everything is plain at first glance but usually there’s a good reason for it. Adhering to a failed rebellion is not a tradition, it’s just dumb. You want to let people know where you are from, fly the state flag, fly the American flag, fly your unit flag. Don’t fly a racist failed offshoot of a part of the country.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jul 19 at 2024 6:14 AM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 06:14:38 -0400

I was in a unit years ago where we had "flag wars" in the barracks. A rebel flag in one room. A black power flag in another. Flags from different ethnic groups. You get the picture. When these flags started upsetting the cohesion in the unit, all flags & banners were banned. No exceptions. Problem solved. Our military had become too divided by telling telling the troops they are either special or not so special. The troops are all green, act that way.

Response by SGT Gary Meehan made Jul 19 at 2024 2:49 PM

SGT Gary Meehan — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 14:49:19 -0400

None What action would be taken if there was a pride flag found in the locker?None, so why is there a difference

Response by A1C James Perkins made Jul 19 at 2024 7:11 PM

A1C James Perkins — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 19:11:07 -0400

It's 'Freedom of Expression' so rightfully don't do anything at all. Would you ask what to do with the openly hateful flag saying 'Black Lives Matter'?. If the Rebel flag bothers you, apparently it does as you asked your question, you obviously need Sensitivity Training'.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Jul 19 at 2024 11:58 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 23:58:47 -0400

In the Navy, there was actually a regulation that said the United States flag couldn't be posted in a barracks room. How funny is that. So, unless there's some kind of regulation that specifically states what can and cannot be posted in a person's barracks room in the Army etc., then there's no real argument. Ya got to let it go. It's that person's personal assigned space. Stop being so nitpicky and personally sensitive. How many "offensives" things could be found in your space(s)? Simply look for cleanliness and neatness and move the hell on!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2024 7:41 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:41:52 -0400

Somehow, the Stars&Bars was NOT offensive in the late 1970s, when it was featured every week on a top 5 rated TV show Dukes of Hazzard????? As a Yankee, I have no problem with this flag. I do NOT believe anyone is flying it to support slavery. It represents States Rights, and, if it is meant as a protest, it is protesting current day federal violations of Constitutional powers.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Jul 21 at 2024 4:38 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:38:13 -0400

I had a Harley Davison Rebel Flag on my wall. The new commander who was also white found offense to it. I argued that it was a Harley Flag and not a Confederate flag ( as he called it) he counted the 13 stars in the flag and considered it a rebel flag. The common “Rebel” flag is from the Army of Northern Virginia. Anyhoo, I took it down to satisfy his delusions. Now what he did to my collectors whiskey decanter that I had in a sealed box was another story. The payback on that took him down a notch

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Jul 24 at 2024 12:54 AM

SSG Bill Moore — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:54:37 -0400

If you have a cohesive unit and they perform and fight as a team, I see no problems. A flag is nothing but a flag. Every country has a flag. It is the people who stand and unite for said flag that makes it worth defending.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Aug 24 at 2024 2:19 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:19:18 -0400

What is even meant by 'modified rebel flag'?
If it is in the soldier's room, and not visible to others, I am confused by what the problem is?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2024 10:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Aug 2024 22:35:35 -0400

The regulation you are citing is 100% accurate. However, you need to speak with your BDE legal office to determine what level command that regulation have been delegated down too. Normally this is a post or BDE policy NOT company or BN. I would first discuss candidly with your soldiers the potential implications, possible actions that could be taken if and when you determine what level that regulation is enforced at and what policy letter is written discussing it.

At the end of the day, you as a non commissioned officer are charged with maintaining good order and discipline. If the flag is visible from the hallway, an argument could be made that it could violate that and not need the flag policy to order removal. However if it is not CLEARLY. Visible from the hallway your only recourse would be the regulation and the correct method of enforcement.

Response by 1SG Marcus Whitfield made Aug 25 at 2024 8:42 PM

1SG Marcus Whitfield — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 20:42:11 -0400

“ Good of the Order” wow has that regulation gone out the window,,, specially with all the “Woke” crap going on and we are wearing our feeling’s on our sleeves and now a lil flag ??? How we have forsaken our true meaning kill people and destroy things ….

Response by SFC John Skaarup made Oct 27 at 2024 1:17 PM

SFC John Skaarup — Sun, 27 Oct 2024 13:17:13 -0400

If you're talking about taking any sort of disciplinary action against a soldier, you must stick to facts. What is meant by "a modified rebel flag"? Are you talking about the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, designed by William Porcher Miles? This particular flag is often mistakenly called the "Confederate Flag". The 'First national flag of the Confederate States of America', which looks entirely different, is embolized all over the place without inciting derision, because history isn't taught. The "Six Flags over Texas" includes the 'starts and bars' flag of the Confederate States of America, and no one cares. I go into this to ask if there are any other contributing facts to this soldier's discipline and performance? Unless there is a CLEARLY COMMUNICATED company policy against displaying it, ask for guidance from your 1SG. The fact that you're bringing this to a social media outlet raises my eyebrows.

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Nov 20 at 2024 8:19 PM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:19:35 -0500

As someone pointed out that the victor gets to write the history, normally this would be true. In the case of the Civil War the vanquished wrote the history with the help of Hollywood. Look up the first epic film "Birth of a nation" which played at the White house. Look up "Daughter's Of The Confederacy" who are responsible for most of the Confederate monuments. They also had a hand in naming the Army bases in the South. They formed textbook committees and pressured school boards to ban books that the UDC deemed “unjust to the South,” which was anything that shed negative light on the Confederacy. I know folks claim that it's their heritage. That's something that is hard to understand, that flag represented the right to own people as property. I have heard and bèn taught that war was about states rights, read the articles of secession which each state wrote their own. I have probably wasted my time in posting this, but you always hope people will do the research themselves. Hope you learned something.

Response by SFC Linvel Hunt made Nov 20 at 2024 8:23 PM

SFC Linvel Hunt — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:23:51 -0500

The Daughter's Of The Confederacy are still active today.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2024 10:30 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:30:07 -0500

None. The Confederate battle flag is also an American flag.

Response by PO3 Michael Smith made Nov 21 at 2024 10:54 PM

PO3 Michael Smith — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:54:18 -0500

Take no action. Instead of worrying about the feelings of others make your soldiers the best warfighters there are. Go back to fighting for the man next to you. The best of the best.

Response by MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2024 2:23 PM

MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2024 14:23:21 -0500

You answered your own question.

Response by SGT Brian “Doc” Burry made Nov 28 at 2024 9:56 PM

SGT Brian “Doc” Burry — Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:56:54 -0500

Freedom of speech and expression is not violated by having such a flag. If someone is offended then speak up and discuss the concern. But if it is deemed unacceptable by a commander, then following such an order is appropriate.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Jan 30 at 2025 1:01 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Thu, 30 Jan 2025 13:01:48 -0500

I would say as a Marine that for an inspection, if it was not issued to you in boot camp, it should not be on display for an inspection. If this person wants to display it other times, I have no reason to do anything further. Only once it becomes a disruption to the unit do action need to take place.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jan 31 at 2025 11:00 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Fri, 31 Jan 2025 11:00:24 -0500

Just came across this today. An interesting post inasmuch as there's been a significant cultural shift during the intervening years. Personally, I don't care much about what offends folks. That may be important to our "Woke" friends, not me. However, I might be interested in who salutes that flag. Thus there is no difference in my response to your question, then or now. I would use this incident as a teaching opportunity. Gather the troops and learn how much they really know about the significance of that flag and what it represents. Sadly, there is much ignorance. Although every state that joined the Confederacy clearing state in their Articles of Secession that they were inspired by their right to own slaves, most cling to the narrative conceived in later years that they were fighting for States Rights (not appearing in any State's Articles of Secession). The success of your lesson lies in whether or not the rebel flag returns to its place of honor or is replaced by the flag your subordinates should honor.

Response by SSG Ronald Robinson made Jan 31 at 2025 8:44 PM

SSG Ronald Robinson — Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:44:11 -0500

None. As long as the room is clean everything is presentable ( military items and civilian clothes stored properly) it passes inspection. Triple X porn would be a line not to cross.

Response by SSG Ray Miller made Feb 1 at 2025 5:48 AM

SSG Ray Miller — Sat, 01 Feb 2025 05:48:12 -0500

As 23 year Army Retiree, I find it mind boggling that you ended this query the way that you did, after you yourself, just quoted AR 600-15. It's not like we are talking about a soldier choosing to display a Jamaican, Mexican, African, American or German flag...but we're talking about a racially divisive piece cloth that has no positive connotation anywhere except in circles of hate, or ignorance. That, in and of itself, is detrimental to good order and discipline of a unit, especially when you consider that it was intended to be the visual of resistance in the confederates' war efforts against the country that you, and I swore to protect and defend!! You can't give me ONE example where an activity took place where that flag's presence enhanced positivity, except amongst the hate mongers possessing it. But I can give you hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands, of examples where it's presence represented hate and domestic terrorism!! But some people have been systematically programmed to be so culturally desensitized to it's history that they subconsciously normalize it being a part of "heritage" without questioning the heritage....kind of like displaying a nazi flag. Would you let that soldier hoist a nazi flag? If your answer is no, why? When you answer that question honestly, you have your answer to your original question.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Mar 14 at 2025 7:05 PM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Fri, 14 Mar 2025 19:05:47 -0400

Health and welfare inspections are to look for contraband. A flag with a rebel battle flag behind the statement, “These Colors Don’t Run,” U.S. more of a morale thing in what is supposed to be a private area. You’re walking a very thin line at that point. Besides, if it really offended someone, why was an inspection the first time you were aware of it. I would have just left it.

Response by SPC Charlie Robinson made Jun 8 at 2025 5:37 PM

SPC Charlie Robinson — Sun, 08 Jun 2025 17:37:19 -0400

Probably just fine if it was a pride flag.