Posted on Mar 6, 2014
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Leaders,

I conducted a barracks inspection today. One of my Soldiers, not white, had a modified rebel flag hanging in his room. On it was an eagle and written "these colors don't run".
While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there, is there anything that specifically says yes or no. AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.
Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I have a "Rebel" flag tattooed upon my right shoulder. I know the history and meaning of my flag. Although history was written by the victor, the South has a strong and proud history. If someone has an issue with a symbol that is a strong part of our cultural and military history they should crack open a book.
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SFC Howard Holmes
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Crack open a book? As in a History book? No Way, especially now. There is a movement to erase our history. If people read history books, they would realize what the Marxists and supportive organizations like ANTIFA and BLM represent, the history of Marxism and what happens to countries that turn Marxist. They would know that the actions that they are taking are exactly that of the Nazis building up to Hitlers takeover, including the attempts to fix elections, controlling the media, and my favorite when Hitler claimed, "They who control the youth, control the future." With all of the indoctrination being poured in to schools and especially universities. The "1619 Project" is cutting it's way through schools and being taught as fact when there are MANY inaccuracies in it. Just like the historians start slavery with the Europeans, but leave the black African Chieftans who caught members of weaker tribes and promoted and sold them to the Europeans. A vast majority of people with whom I speak and bring this up think I'm lying about it. I can go on and on, but if you think that many people are going to think anything different of you than you are a racist, good luck. We are living in a time where our history is full of lies. To close out, Kamala Harris' family were Jamaican slave owners, but you won't hear about that, yet statues of Andrew Jackson, George Washington, etc. are being torn down because they were slave owners. So don't count on people researching much history to understand your tattoo.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
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SFC Howard Holmes - Sorry Sarge, That is the most braindead argument in support of a Traitorous Battle Flag and White Supremacy I have heard in a long time.
NO person in the United States Military should be flying a flag from a failed rebellion. It is as disrespectful to those who died to maintain the Union as flying the Nazi flag is. The Rebellion known as the Civil War was a traitorous attempt to divide the country into two countries. That is what a REBEL is, so I would suggest YOU crack a book.
All you need to know about the Civil War was a published speech by the Vice President Alexander H. Stephens of the Confederate States given in Savannah GA in 1861.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech
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SPC Zac Halo
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You should give this a watch, if you wanna know more about your “heritage”. https://youtu.be/FMIOCj7a3tI
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
1SG Jeffrey Mullett
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SPC Zac Halo - Very Good post, I saw this video a month or so ago, and the man makes some serious sense. Kuddos. (I knew the "Rebel" flag was the southern Battle flag, not the flag of the Confederacy, but I actually had to look up the flag)
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Just a few thoughts. First of all, Sgt Newman is correct, and SSG Woods makes the salient point that the American flag has some stains of the same color on it as well.

Secondly, what should be done if a soldier of Japanese descent displayed a Japanese flag in their room. After all we fought a war with the (then) racist Japanese as well. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in barracks rooms as well. Where should the line be drawn? How do the French feel about a Cinco de Mayo celebration when it celebrates the defeat of their forces?

The point is, the things that can potentially offend someone are legion. It is important to note that inanimate objects are not, of, and in, themselves "offensive". To be offensive, someone has to CHOOSE to be offended.

I understand I'm not citing any regulations so I'm not answering the original question, and I DO believe that the line has to be drawn.... I would draw that line closer to the Nazi flag than to the flag known as the Stars and Bars, or which Sgt Newman accurately pointed out, is known as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
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SSG Gerhard S. - Yes. States and territories of the United States are on friendly terms with the United States last time I checked. And, correct me if I'm mistaken, the CSA flag has been removed from all state flags now.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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CW3 (Join to see) - Aren't the former CSA States on friendly terms with the US? Has the CSA flag been removed form all state flags now? There are overt elements of the CSA flag, and the Battle flag of Northern Virginia purposefully present in many State Flags. Florida and Alabama both contain the St. Andrews Cross, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas all incorporate the Red and White "Bars" reminiscent of the CSA, in their flags, and Hawaii, contains the Union Jack, the flag of a country Went to war against to gain our independence, and again when they attacked us in 1812.
My point was NOT to single out PR, but to point out that the waters are even murkier than one can imagine. My question then, as now is "where do we draw the line?

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Respectful regards, as always.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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CSA Flag for reference.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
1SG Jeffrey Mullett
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Point of contention, Puerto Rican flags are the same as STATE flags, since Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth of the United States. Flying a State flag is perfectly acceptable since we were never at WAR with Puerto Rico either.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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The Confederate flag offends some because of what it represents. Ok that's fair.

Let's not forget the reprehensible and atrocious things that happened in this country under the USA flag (child labor, Japanese concentration camps, segregation).

I'm just pointing out there is a much larger picture here.
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PO1 Alyssa Storm
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TSgt Chris Alvarez - Oh please don't give the world any ideas!! I love our flag, I love this country & all its imperfections. I think ppl just have too many sensitivities that we just can't keep up with. FREEDOM...means being able to EXPRESS YOURSELF FREELY. If someone doesn't like it, let them go somewhere else. This politically correct bullshit is getting ridiculous!
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Cherylrose Budd
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SSG Bob Teachout - if the British had won, most certainly that is how they would have been seen. But keep in mind they were fighting against tyranny, not to keep other people enslaved for profit...
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SSG Bob Teachout
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Cherylrose Budd - as was the CSA - the WBTS was a lot more than just slavery.
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SGT Jd Creager
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SSG Elyzabeth Cromer - Sorry but you lack knowledge of the things leading up to the Civil WAR. Do some research in the National Archives and L of C. you will find the union wrote the history and they lied.
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