Posted on Apr 8, 2014
SFC Jeremy Munger
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     As others have stated here, it is a matter of perception.  The articles that are stating that you now need a Masters to be competitive tend to focus on mid to high level positions and they are absolutely correct that an applicant will not be competitive for these jobs without a graduate degree.

 

     For now, a Bachelor's is still the standard for nearly all entry-level professional positions.  Of course, as a member of the military, retiring after 20 or more years of service, I've seen a tendency for the Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine to expect more than an entry level position and want the pay to be commensurate.  Although there are 'Green Friendly' companies out there that actively seek out retiring military for their management, organizational, and leadership abilities and do compensate them for the additional skills they bring to the table over a recent, 20 something college graduate, that is still the exception rather than the norm.  If you are retiring as a 20 year infantryman/tanker/mechanic/whatever with a bachelor's degree in business, most companies will only consider you for an entry level position because they see no translatable skills from your military service.  If you want to start at higher than entry level with that company, you are going to need an MBA.  It's the same for nearly any civilian position.  Even if you are applying for a DA Civilian position, most of the GS-11 or higher positions state a requirement for a graduate degree in the qualifications section.

 

     In the end, your expectations for position and pay after your military career will determine whether you need a bachelors or a masters degree and the majority of potential employers will thank you for your service but aren't going to credit you with squat in the application and interview process for your time in uniform unless it directly relates to there business model.

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Sir,

 

If I may piggy-back off of your suggestion #2:

 

QUANTIFY and QUALIFY!!!!!!

 

Knowing how many Soldiers you supervise can help demonstrate a congruancy between the position your are apply for and your experience. Knowing how many projects you managed, the scope and scale of those projects, and the end result can help translate what your skill level really is. Demonstrating how much inventory you controlled, moved, etc in either dollar amount or piece count can be very impactful.

 

Numbers are hard to argue with. It also helps demonstrate at what level you were performing. When I was in the civilian world, I was a mid-level manager. I often interviewed retirees or reserve-component servicemembers for positions. Thankfully, I knew the lingo...but those that could quantitatively communicate their experience always faired better. I may not know that a section leader in "X" unit managed 52 personnel and managed $73m worth of equipment. My experience may have been a section managed 5 people and had a few thousands of dollars worth of equipment. It also helped when these interviewees would move on to other managers who did not understand the lingo.

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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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Yes and no. Getting hired with a BA/BS is very difficult nowadays. Generally, each applicant is competing with 2 others who are equally qualified. I heard that on NPR as well as an increase in waiting time to hear back from an employer. Used to be 13 days, now it's 21. I am working on my Masters right now for two reasons: It's cheap since the Army covers a large portion of the class costs, and it will make me stand apart from other applicants who only have a BA/BS degree.
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SGT Craig Northacker
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one of my audit professors made the observation that many of his biggest clients never went to college, but hired a lot of college grads.
  My other observation, having put 4 children through college, is that colleges are a racket and often not worth the money they charge, but required when your kids want to go to medical school or get other credentials.
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LT Mike Finch
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Think about the Enterprise commercial where they are excited they hire more any NCAA athletes than anyone else.  A Bachelors degree qualifies you to say "Would you like to upgrade to a full-size".
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I  would argue that is a yes.   I am currently stuck in middle management going back to get my masters for that reason.
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No. My fiance just completed her Masters Degree in polymer chemistry and the distinction between Bachelors, Masters, and PHd are quite evident in the job hunting.

 

 

As for online degrees there may be a difference. Some online colleges are not even recognized as being "valid" degrees.

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SFC, I think what he was asking is a Master's now viewed like a Bachelor's degree used to be, which would degrade the view having a Bachelor's degree.
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If that is his intended question Sir, then I would have to say that it depends on the degree. Like I said, my fiance is a polymer chemist and there is a big difference in the two. However the general public has a vast majority of people with business mangement degrees or something along those lines. In those cases I would still not say that the masters degree is viewed the same as a bachelors used to be, it is just that the pool of people to choose from who have those masters degrees is larger than it used to be. And the job market is so competitive that employers can employ someone with a masters for less than they used to be able to.
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