Though regulations state no hands in your pockets in uniform, what are your thoughts on those who hold their belt buckle or waistline?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:40:16 -0400

A lot of yall aren't reading the full (Actual) question -

"what are your thoughts on those who hold their belt buckle or waistline?"

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Jun 23 at 2017 9:44 AM

SGT Edward Wilcox — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:44:12 -0400

Personally, I don't like it. If you having a hard time figuring out where to put your hands, then find something to do.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 9:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:48:11 -0400

Honestly, I've never seen the problem with hands in the pockets...

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Jun 23 at 2017 9:48 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:48:24 -0400

Starting my military career in an Arctic Light Infantry unit may have softened my stance but there were time it was just too freaking cold?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 9:52 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:52:22 -0400

It's like anything else. There are times where it makes sense and times when it doesn't. Wisdom to know the difference is key.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Jun 23 at 2017 10:08 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:08:59 -0400

If not specifically prohibited, where's the problem? I was never once even looked at when I did it, much less told not to.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jun 23 at 2017 10:15 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:15:54 -0400

Only Cowboys should hold their belt buckles.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jun 23 at 2017 10:29 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:29:34 -0400

Fidget spinner =D

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Jun 23 at 2017 10:39 AM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:39:14 -0400

Frankly, I couldn't care any less about the pocket deal, let alone holding onto your belt. I found the entire ban on pockets so trivial when I was in the army. Many of us didn't care; in fact, it was pretty much a running joke most of the time. I walked around with hands in my pockets all the time and when corrected by my seniors I apologized for breaking the holy law of the pocket and continued mission.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Jun 23 at 2017 10:43 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:43:08 -0400

I struggled for 30 years not to put my hands in my pockets. To this day I catch myself standing at a slack variation of parade rest because that's the only way I kept from doing it. So if someone has to hook a thumb in their belt loop, I have empathy for them.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 11:05 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:05:46 -0400

You can't take away my Air Force hand warmers!

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Jun 23 at 2017 3:00 PM

SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:00:26 -0400

I loved to say unhand your pockets....as to the why one couldn't or shouldn't do it that's a good question.

I think most folks are looking to the Army command policy when they say...you can add to but not take away.

One of my pet peeves was 1SG, platoon SGT, squad leader etc...denying leaves or passes without the packet going all the way to the appropriate approval authority.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jun 24 at 2017 11:10 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:10:45 -0400

No go too... Wait... There is no regulation that says you can't have your hands in your pockets? That was my worst habit and many an NCO told me to knock it off... My BDE CSM would stare at me... in a very disappointed manner...

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Jun 24 at 2017 8:15 PM

SGT Matthew S. — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:15:58 -0400

I've never had nor heard of an issue with having someone's thumbs hooked in belt loops or the corner of a pocket. Always seemed a reasonable compromise to the "no hands in pockets" rule, especially when at "Rest" or having been told to "fall out, but stick around" while waiting for a formation that is supposed to already have happened in the past.

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Jun 25 at 2017 11:28 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:28:39 -0400

Hands in pockets is sloppy and distracts from a property military appearance. The hand-on-buckle is equally unsat.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 12:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:16:08 -0400

I mean I really don't care as long as they can do the basics of shoot, move, and communicate that's what wins wars. Contrary to popular belief fresh shaves, haircuts and 350-1 training don't win wars.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 12:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:48:01 -0400

What makes for a more apropriate military appearance? Standing there oddly trying to do something with your hands other than put them in your pockets? Holding onto my belt buckle is a direct result of my many years in law enforcement, where I couldn't reach my pockets, as well it places your hands in a state of readiness, to draw a gun (and yes we carry concealed in the Guard now) or repel an attack. I wonder how many nay sayers will respond....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 12:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:51:56 -0400

I've been in 4 different units in the army thus far-all different. In the 82nd it was not acceptable to have your hands in your pockets. In the 82nd CAB it was a bit more acceptable. Now in 4ID, no one cares. Nearly everyone puts their hands in their pockets here. I think that's partially due to the fact that the standards are not highly enforced here. Honestly, we do so many other "unprofessional" things in uniform why should putting your hands in your pockets matter?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 12:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:54:58 -0400

Unfortunately it is in 670-1. 3-6, a.(4)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 3:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:02:39 -0400

I don't see how putting hands in pockets is even a valid concern these days, or even done anymore. After all, now one hand is usually holding a phone and the other hand is typing or swiping on the device. Both hands are too occupied to put into pockets (or belt loops or similar) :)

Response by MSgt Jason McClish made Jun 25 at 2017 3:04 PM

MSgt Jason McClish — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:04:22 -0400

The Air Force Instruction that governs this does mention no hands in the pockets, except to basically retrieve items or put them in there. I still haven't found to where the thumbs on the belt loop or belt buckle is prohibited. Some take a different approach by leaving their thumbs out of the pocket, having the other four in. This technically isn't prohibited as the whole hand is not in the pocket. I can understand not having the hand in the pocket while walking, but if stationary, I'm not fully buying off as to why that's prohibited. Leaders at all levels say that it looks unprofessional. Many of my civilian friends don't see a hand in the pocket stationary as unprofessional in appearance. I just follow the guidance as best I can and correct those politely that fall short.

Response by SFC Jim Farr made Jun 25 at 2017 4:02 PM

SFC Jim Farr — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:02:00 -0400

DOESN'T MAKE ME LESS EFFICTIVE

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 6:55 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:55:39 -0400

I remember being stationed in FT Carson back in the 90's. Being from the south, it took me a while to adapt to the extreme cold weather. Needless to say the army issued cold weather gloves didn't work. Therefore I'm all for sticking your hands in pockets or wherever to keep warm. At the end of the day, you're the one who will suffer from frost bite. Then to throw salt on the wound, then they would say common sense should have applied after its too late.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2017 6:15 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:15:31 -0400

I was stationed at Fort Sam Houston as a young private with only a few months in service. I was standing in the bus shelter waiting on the post shuttle to arrive. It was November, it was cold, it was 0600, I had my hands in my pockets. A formation runs by and the NCO leading the formation yells out, "Hey Troop, are your hands cold?" I quickly reply, "Yes, yes they are." He immediately stops the formation and starts running over to where I am. Just then the bus pulls up. Needles to say I got a stern talking to but it was short lived because the bus driver needed to get on his way.

Response by SGT James (Jimmy) Crone made Jun 28 at 2017 10:29 AM

SGT James (Jimmy) Crone — Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:29:33 -0400

Never did it but didn't think there wad anything wrong with it but when your assigned to a TRADOC unit you learn not to

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2017 1:43 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 01:43:49 -0400

I normally cant help it so to avoid it i just put my thumbs in my pockets. However, never truely understood it.

Response by LTJG Edward Bangor Jr made Jun 29 at 2017 3:55 PM

LTJG Edward Bangor Jr — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:00 -0400

The whole argument about hands in pockets always bugged me. I remember at one course I went through the instructors (all officers senior to me, multiple of them prior enlisted) told me my posture was off during some presentation I gave. Trying to keep my hands at my sides looked forced. Clasping my hands in front of or behind me looked closed off. The only time I looked "right" was when I hand one hand in my pocket and the other gesticulating like my Italian heritage dictates I do in conversation. So I think there's a time and a place for pockets. Cold weather, sure. Informal situations, why not? I'd say don't walk around outside or stand in formation that way, but it's overblown as far as regs go.

Semi-related: the NWU parka has "hand warmer pockets" despite it actually being a regulation to not put hands in pockets. Just some food for though.

Response by 1SG Wayne Cannon made Jul 9 at 2017 5:25 PM

1SG Wayne Cannon — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 17:25:26 -0400

Was there ever a reg. For that, guess I'm 21 yrs, retired 1SG, never had to quote a reg. Just nevet got really mad about it. Just corrected them and moved on. I was bad for just sticking fingers just inside back of pants. Until canos came out. Just one of those laughable things like walking on grass. But we called it AIR FORCE GLOVES.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2018 10:18 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:18:51 -0400

AR 670-1, Section 1.9 page 6 states.
While in uniform, personnel will not place their hands in their pockets, except momentarily to place or retrieve objects. Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped.
I may be old school but I believe it builds discipline and attention to detail. It's simple and easy to enforce. When my soldiers see me and if they have their hands in their pockets they just drop and knock out 20. Your soldiers will look more professional and disciplined. I enforce this rule thru out my enlisted ranks. When you lead by example there's no double standard. There's nothing I hate more then soldiers that look like turds.

Response by SPC David Willis made Apr 16 at 2018 9:26 AM

SPC David Willis — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:26:46 -0400

Putting hands in pockets to keep them warm? Unprofessional. Sticking your hands down the front of your pants and grabbing your junk to keep them warm? Totally professional and OK to the Army... and they cant figure out why we have a hard time adjusting to civilian work place.

Response by TSgt David L. made Apr 16 at 2018 4:24 PM

TSgt David L. — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:24:52 -0400

"Are your hands cold?"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2018 4:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:58:42 -0400

Nice question!

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 16 at 2018 5:38 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:38:12 -0400

Do they think that they're cowboy's or farmers?

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Apr 17 at 2018 9:07 AM

SMSgt Thor Merich — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:07:30 -0400

You will find many pictures of senior leaders, going back to Ike, of them having their hands in their pockets.

Except in a combat environment, where you need your hands to be ready for action, there is nothing wrong with having your hands in a pocket. That’s why many senior leaders just ignore the rule, they know it’s dumb and they have enough rank to get away with it.

If I am around my peers then I don’t Police myself too much. But if I am around junior folks, then I am always checking myself. I have to set the proper example.

Response by SPC Kendall Metcalf made Jun 21 at 2018 9:43 PM

SPC Kendall Metcalf — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:43:53 -0400

I for one did it all the time. It was just a sign I was up for task. That and I wasn’t playing on my cell phone.

Response by SPC Oakley Jones made Jun 22 at 2018 10:09 AM

SPC Oakley Jones — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:09:36 -0400

Anytime someone was caught, NCO would remind him/her this isn’t the Air Force. Haha!

Response by SrA Paul Morris made Jun 22 at 2018 11:59 AM

SrA Paul Morris — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:59:06 -0400

It does tend to make you look slouchy. That could be one thing. The other is in an emergency situation, having your hands in your pocket may delay your reaction time. I still catch myself not carrying anything in my right hand outdoors.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 12:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:35:49 -0400

Personally, no problem whatsoever with it. However, a few years back, someone stated that doing that was “framing” (the crotch area), and somehow that spread throughout the Army, so now at best it’s considered unprofessional, and at worst it’s considered sexual aggression. -.-

Response by PO1 Brad Holcomb made Jun 23 at 2018 12:47 AM

PO1 Brad Holcomb — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 00:47:33 -0400

Retired now and don’t care

Response by CPT Bobby Johnson made Jun 23 at 2018 2:46 AM

CPT Bobby Johnson — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 02:46:43 -0400

I’m a prankster and sketchy so I understand why people want my hands out of my pocket.

Response by CPT Bobby Johnson made Jun 23 at 2018 2:47 AM

CPT Bobby Johnson — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 02:47:39 -0400

Usually I’m pulling a middle finger out of my pocket.

Response by SPC Jerry Doc Daugherty made Jun 23 at 2018 7:04 AM

SPC Jerry Doc Daugherty — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 07:04:28 -0400

I use to have to ball my hands up into a fist which some seen as an aggressive stance! But most realized my way after talking to me to keep hands out of pockets! But I finally got use to keeping hands out of pockets, so all was good!

Response by SGT Errol Bankston made Jun 23 at 2018 7:57 AM

SGT Errol Bankston — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 07:57:25 -0400

Don’t put pockets on uniforms then.

Response by SSG Greg Beyer made Jun 23 at 2018 8:55 AM

SSG Greg Beyer — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:55:45 -0400

My CSM once passed unbeknownst to me and asked if my hands were cold.
Turning around I came to parade rest and replied "No Sergeant Major, they were quite warm in my pockets".
He looked at me and replied "carry on" and walked away.
In the middle of winter or any time situation and common sense come into play.
Dont follow regulations like a lemming over a cliff

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 11:30 AM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:30:26 -0400

Because we don’t any other serious matters to worry about

Response by COL A.j. Ball made Jun 23 at 2018 1:55 PM

COL A.j. Ball — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:55:10 -0400

It’s ok

Response by Sgt Brad LaChapelle made Jun 23 at 2018 3:07 PM

Sgt Brad LaChapelle — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:07:25 -0400

It took me years to finally realize I can now, as a civilian, put my hands in my pocket. I still refuse to use an umbrella

Response by PO1 James Davenport made Jun 23 at 2018 4:33 PM

PO1 James Davenport — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 16:33:11 -0400

I was just pondering this the other day. If the military doesn't want you to put your hands in your pockets, why even have pockets on the uniform in the first place. No pockets, no problem. Then maybe we can concern ourselves with other pressing problems, like how to defeat the enemy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 8:17 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 20:17:03 -0400

Who cares! There is a time and place for everything

Response by PV2 Dave Barnett made Jun 23 at 2018 9:11 PM

PV2 Dave Barnett — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:11:15 -0400

As a former Army em and then technician at UMass, I used to kid one of our West Pointer grad students about hands in his pockets. He gave me the impression it wasn’t the big thing it used to be...

Response by SFC Melvin Rogers made Jun 23 at 2018 9:59 PM

SFC Melvin Rogers — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:59:03 -0400

I was called once on having my hands in my pockets. I referred them to the regulation which specifically stated that the no hands in pockets rule applied when in formation. I received the old worn-out excuse that you can add to but not take away from a regulation. I then referred them to AR 1–1 which specifically states that Army regulations cannot be modified in anyway to include adding to our detracting from without the express Written permission of the executive agent for that regulation. After a short push up session I was never called on it again.

Response by CPL Brandon Kling made Jun 24 at 2018 8:45 AM

CPL Brandon Kling — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 08:45:55 -0400

When the military, as a whole, starts cracking down on truly unprofessional behavior, behavior like sexual assault, drug use, and sexual harassment (and not just transfer the SM in question to another unit), then we can start talking about how "unprofessional" hands in pockets appears to be.

Response by CPO Jeff Branum made Jun 24 at 2018 10:04 AM

CPO Jeff Branum — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:04:04 -0400

I have never understood this particular regulation. Of all the things the military has to worry about, this should not be one of them!

Response by CMSgt Gerald Wimberly made Jun 24 at 2018 11:16 AM

CMSgt Gerald Wimberly — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:16:46 -0400

Always thought it was a stupid rule. Did many a push up in basic for reaching into my pocket at the wrong time.

Response by SSgt Floyd Pat Gault made Jun 24 at 2018 12:03 PM

SSgt Floyd Pat Gault — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:03:42 -0400

Uniform code, either Everybody does it or everybody Don’t !!

Response by PO1 Ilene DeChurch made Jun 24 at 2018 2:48 PM

PO1 Ilene DeChurch — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 14:48:15 -0400

It looks sloppy & unprofessional!!!

Response by SFC Patrick Griffin made Jun 24 at 2018 4:56 PM

SFC Patrick Griffin — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:56:58 -0400

I retired at 21 yrs and change (due to stop loss) One of the stupidest rules was NO hands in pockets

Response by PO2 Killashandra Leigh made Jun 24 at 2018 4:59 PM

PO2 Killashandra Leigh — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 16:59:09 -0400

You put your keys, cash, and your wallet in a pocket, so they have a purpose. I never understood what the big deal was about not placing your hands in them.

Response by MSgt Jim Lorenzo made Jun 24 at 2018 11:07 PM

MSgt Jim Lorenzo — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:07:02 -0400

I still use my belt as a gig line and I still can’t ding myself to walk on any grass unless I’m cutting it...Lol...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 11:57 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:57:26 -0400

Lots of things I didn't agree with. Attention to detail starts small to help accomplish the big picture. Do what you're told when you're told. Or react to contact. It all starts small with drastic results

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Jun 25 at 2018 7:32 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:32:34 -0400

Hands on my hips was the method. Kept me out of trouble....

Response by SPC Craig Taylor made Jun 25 at 2018 8:39 AM

SPC Craig Taylor — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:39:40 -0400

To me, having your hands in your pocket looks sloppy! It looks lazy!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2018 8:43 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:43:46 -0400

At least they're not in their pockets

Response by SSG Erik McKinster made Jun 25 at 2018 12:36 PM

SSG Erik McKinster — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:36:40 -0400

So for years in my beloved Corps, those were called my Army gloves. So when I joined the Army, I damn sure wire them! LoL! Then, when I got in Cav, and I got that bad ass belt buckle for my re-up gift, I damn sure did the thumb hook... So I guess you put me down as a "Mind ya business, and no one gets hurt", Hahahaha

Response by SFC Chris Horvath made Jun 25 at 2018 12:59 PM

SFC Chris Horvath — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:59:27 -0400

I never had an issue with it and I did it a lot especially in the field. But I would tell my guys just be aware of your surroundings for the stupid rule police.

Response by SPC Phillip Hersman made Jun 25 at 2018 1:19 PM

SPC Phillip Hersman — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:19:52 -0400

Way back when, prior to my first deployment we went to a SERE-B class at jfk. The guy teaching had one hand in his pocket. At the time I was told that was something they actually teach instructors in leadership courses. I don't know if that's true, but I always thought the pocket ban was ridiculous. I can understand if you're in a tactical environment, but in garrison it makes no sense. I think it comes down to senior guys thinking "this is the way I did out, so you will too. Common sense be damned "

Response by SGT Harold Hubert made Jun 25 at 2018 1:32 PM

SGT Harold Hubert — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:32:50 -0400

I was one of the ones getting taper or pinched during my annual twst

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2018 5:12 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:12:35 -0400

Looks worse than putting hands in pockets in my opinion, because you have to pull your blouse back and I’m honestly all for putting hands in pockets. I am a cowboy, literally, and do it in civilian clothes however it looks completely ridiculous to put your thumbs or hands in your belt or waistline in uniform. Beltloops I can get behind that yes.

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Jun 25 at 2018 5:31 PM

PO1 Frank Reiffenstein — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:31:10 -0400

If you are in uniform,I believe that you should be uniform. You learn that in Bootcamp almost right away. It's sloppy looking.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Stone made Jun 26 at 2018 5:44 PM

SPC Jeffrey Stone — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:44:40 -0400

Sometime back when Jesus was a private some general officer or somewhere had a pet peeve about people putting hands in their pockets. Yes it looks sloppy and dress uniform around the public. In your combat uniform in some shit hole country this type of rule should not be enforced. It’s ridiculous. All it does is give some Junior NCO something to yell at a cherry private about to justify his existence and rank. Thank God I was a Medic in a Infantry unit. It kept me from getting screwed with. Eventually even the most fit people end up on sick call. The smart NCO’s knew better than to start a war with the medics. It’s a good way to get no sympathy from the Line Medic when you get blisters on your feet. Your profile may not get extended. You will have The most cherry medic giving you ALL your shots before you deploy. I mean ALL off your shots. Somehow your shot record got missed placed.

Response by SGT Larry Stacey made Jun 28 at 2018 5:46 PM

SGT Larry Stacey — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 17:46:26 -0400

I believe that the rule about keeping your hands out of your pockets is a good one. When ur standing in formation u are standing 'at ease, when walking, it should be as if u were marching, swinging ur arms backwards then forwards. I forgot how far ur supposed to go each way, (old age n a long time since I was there. I still won't put my hands in my pockets unless I'm retrieving my keys or getting out some change. But to walk with ur hands in ur pockets is sloppy looking and reflects badly on ur superiors. Sorry I said all this but it's my opinion guys. Airborne All the way!!

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jun 28 at 2018 9:40 PM

SSgt Max Gonzales — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:40:22 -0400

As long as they are not using these postures as a form of protest. WHO CARES!!!!

Response by LtCol Stan Hendrickson made Jun 28 at 2018 9:54 PM

LtCol Stan Hendrickson — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:54:48 -0400

As both a Marine Corps and Army vet (32 yrs) my pet peeve is seeing military at public events with either dungarees or utilities worn. Why not a uniform or civvies...impressions count

Response by LtCol Stan Hendrickson made Jun 28 at 2018 10:03 PM

LtCol Stan Hendrickson — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 22:03:55 -0400

As a 32 yrs vet of both the Marine Corps and Army my pet peeve is seeing military in public and public events in dungarees or utilities ....image of the military is important and it counts wear the uniform or civies

Response by PO1 Duane Mosier made Jun 29 at 2018 1:13 PM

PO1 Duane Mosier — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:13:34 -0400

Putting your hands in you pockets wearing white trousers leaves black msrks

Response by SFC Abel Candia made Jun 29 at 2018 11:22 PM

SFC Abel Candia — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 23:22:53 -0400

I OCS and after I had all but my left right pocket sewn shut. No problem with my hands on my pockets. I still catch myself when I have my hands in my pockets.

Response by 1SG Rob Smith made Jun 30 at 2018 2:17 AM

1SG Rob Smith — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 02:17:23 -0400

For me it shows a sense of boredom. Which leads to lazyness. Which leads to trouble. NCOS KEEP YOUR SOLDIERS RIGHT. IF THEY HAVE TIME TO HAVE THEIR HANDS IN THEIR POCKETS THEN THEY HAVE TIME TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR HANDS!

Response by SFC Gonzalo Garza made Jul 1 at 2018 11:58 AM

SFC Gonzalo Garza — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:58:07 -0400

We used to sew shut them old instructors trick to keep hands out of the pockets while giving a presentation

Response by SPC Tony Pacheco made Jul 1 at 2018 3:44 PM

SPC Tony Pacheco — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 15:44:11 -0400

The biggest problem I had with it is watching the very same leadership that jumps all over soldiers about it, walk around doing it. It is a stupid rule, but don't enforce it in others then disregard it yourself.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2018 4:33 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 16:33:30 -0400

Screw that rule. I have my hands in my pockets all winter long. Stupid rule that needs to go away.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 10:59 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 10:59:25 -0400

One of the best drill sergeants in the company when I went through basic did it...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 11:44 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 11:44:02 -0400

If I see one more AR 670-1 article, and people associating uniform standards with discipline, I'm going to lose it. The MOST disciplined (and lethal!) soldiers in the world (SEALS, Delta, ect) don't abide by 670-1. Discipline is acheived by enforcing standards, but when a "standard" is arbitrary and mind numbingly stupid, all it does is erode morale and hurt retention rates.

I'm far more concerned with soldiers being able to do their jobs in a proficient manner than being the 670-1 police. And if you're doing your job as a leader correctly, they shouldn't have time to sit around with hands in their pockets anyways.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 11:44 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 11:44:53 -0400

I really don't see the problem with hands in your pockets or holding your belt but at the same time I can see maybe not doing it sometime s but still I don't think it's bad at all

Response by SGT Jason Mouret made Jul 2 at 2018 12:10 PM

SGT Jason Mouret — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:10:23 -0400

Its called a loophole, don't be mad that Enlisted Soldiers find a way around every Regulation.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Jul 2 at 2018 12:12 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:12:17 -0400

I’ve always held my belt.

Response by MSG Tom Behan made Jul 2 at 2018 12:37 PM

MSG Tom Behan — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 12:37:28 -0400

My thoughts on this is that it should not be allowed. Not putting your hands in your pockets is all about looking professional, attention to detail, and self disapline. Will it help you win a war? Not directly, but attention to detail, professionalism, and self disapline do. I have never agreed with the policy 100%. I do however remember walking by a group of soldiers and seeing them with their hands in their pockets. I remember thinking to myself,. They look like a sloppy group of soldiers. Then I did my job as an NCO and corrected the group. I have seen soldiers with their hands on their belt buckle and belt loop as well and it too looks sloppy. I never let my soldiers do any of them.

Response by SGT Jedidiah Cotton made Jul 2 at 2018 1:19 PM

SGT Jedidiah Cotton — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:19:59 -0400

I did it so my hand didnt rest on the butt of my pistol, its kinda intimidating to me when an MP does that.

Response by 1SG Rudolph Watt made Jul 2 at 2018 1:24 PM

1SG Rudolph Watt — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:24:04 -0400

A lot of silly rules the army has is not for pissing soldiers off, it is done for discipline, if you don't have the discipline to do something as minor as keep your hands out of your pockets then you won't have the discipline to follow the big rules that does matter, then again I am old school military.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 3:44 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:44:06 -0400

Grew up with my hands in my pockets when I was just standing around my belt loop is the only thing that keeps me from doing it now!

Response by SGT George Crowder made Jul 2 at 2018 4:46 PM

SGT George Crowder — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:46:49 -0400

It's just how it was done when I first joined back in 91. Ft. Drum, sub zero weather, hands tucked in our pants at the stomach (like a backwards parade rest) because God have mercy on your soul if an NCO saw them in your pockets. It was a sign of laziness, or so we were told. Our patrol caps had ear warmers that folded down. Never got to use those either.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 4:54 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:54:05 -0400

Technically you shouldn’t do it because it can be considered framing which I don’t care for really but there are some sharp shooters out there that’ll make it a big deal and the soldier in question may get I trouble for something so small

Response by SPC Bruce Roberts made Jul 2 at 2018 4:56 PM

SPC Bruce Roberts — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:56:26 -0400

Chesty can do whatever he wants.

Response by Lt Col George Roll made Jul 2 at 2018 8:32 PM

Lt Col George Roll — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:32:44 -0400

I'm schizopherenic on this issue. As a military electronics technican we were taught to a avoid having high voltage pass thrugh my heart to keep one hand in my pocket while working with high voltage. As an Airman my First Seargent always keep my hands out of my pockets. Although pockets are sometimes refered to as "Air Force Gloves" even by the AF

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 9:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:35:19 -0400

What about belt loops?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 9:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:40:03 -0400

I had a CSM once tell me the Army issues you gloves if your hands are cold use them...good times

Response by Capt Ray S. O. made Jul 2 at 2018 9:51 PM

Capt Ray S. O. — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 21:51:39 -0400

Hands in pockets does look slouchy in Garrison, but when you are in the field and it is freezing cold, it shoulden't matter. Eisenhower and Bradley both often were foto'd with hands in pockets. About the only one who wasn't was Patton.

Response by MGySgt Steve Reep made Jul 2 at 2018 10:11 PM

MGySgt Steve Reep — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:11:12 -0400

Petty crap.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 10:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:23:26 -0400

I honestly think that it's one of the most useless rules in the regs. "Doesn't look professional" is what I was told as a PVT. How many professional people that wear a suit and tie have you ever seen with one hand in there pocket using the other hand to talk with? Ever been to a "professional" seminar? It happens every day. I know, I know. The answer is always the same, we are held to a higher standard. I follow it because I'm supposed to, but it doesn't mean that I agree on a personal level.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2018 10:26 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:26:57 -0400

I may only be a young private but it’s always hard to restrain my self from putting my hands in my pockets and always catch my self doing it. I wish it wasn’t a rule!

Response by CW4 Donald Garnto made Jul 2 at 2018 11:07 PM

CW4 Donald Garnto — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 23:07:55 -0400

It's called "discipline", something this younger generation has no concept of...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 12:50 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 00:50:32 -0400

If my hands can't be in my pockets, something has got to give. Show it to me in 670-1 where it says I can't and I won't. Period. Your petpeeves don't supersede governing regulations.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 7:22 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 07:22:54 -0400

Negative

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 8:25 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:25:42 -0400

I support it. There's no hard set reg and only one person I have ever worked with cared that we did it. Strangely enough it's one of the first habits I picked up from my first team leader.

Response by MSG Kevin Butterworth made Jul 3 at 2018 11:31 AM

MSG Kevin Butterworth — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 11:31:25 -0400

At times it should be ok, but rare

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Jul 3 at 2018 12:17 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:17:19 -0400

REALLY! we are going there now my problem is young soldiers leaving their buttons open on the zipper or fly. Then they tend to play with it. not cool in uniform seen that as platoon sergeant.

Response by SMSgt Arnie Gardner made Jul 3 at 2018 2:38 PM

SMSgt Arnie Gardner — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 14:38:03 -0400

Hands in pockets was a crazy rule. It was hard to keep from doing it in the winter. Aircraft maintenance wearing gloves was sometimes impossible.

Response by CPO Jerry Lawrence made Jul 3 at 2018 3:02 PM

CPO Jerry Lawrence — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:02:12 -0400

I believe the situation should dictate. If standing a public forum present a more stoic posture, but in working spaces who really cares, unless the CO, XO, Six, or other person in the chain is addressing you.

Response by PO1 Howie Nash made Jul 3 at 2018 3:27 PM

PO1 Howie Nash — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:27:19 -0400

It's just another talking point.....Seems in the Navy, it was only an issue once a year when the E-7 Selected were on the street.

Response by SSG Joshua Tanton made Jul 3 at 2018 3:42 PM

SSG Joshua Tanton — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:42:41 -0400

Either way I never saw any problems with it. However, if your hands are in your pockets you can’t be productive. But the rules are the rules.

Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 3:48 PM

AN Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:48:56 -0400

Fuck regs

Response by SFC Mike Kinsley made Jul 3 at 2018 3:50 PM

SFC Mike Kinsley — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:50:22 -0400

Why would anyone but USAF want to do it?
I understand the AF doesn't issue gloves. Just kidding.

It does not present a neat and professional appearance. I know how old and cliché that sounds but it is true. Today, 18 years after retirement, I still remove my hat when I go indoor, even Walmart.

Response by PV2 Michael Whiddon made Jul 3 at 2018 6:09 PM

PV2 Michael Whiddon — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 18:09:53 -0400

Know how many times I've been reaching into my pocket to get something and had some dickhead NCO yell at me for it. The only thing stupider than the rule is the jackasses that are all gung ho about enforcing it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 7:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 19:49:52 -0400

Hook ‘em . No hamds in pockets is stupid

Response by CPL Sean Stout made Jul 3 at 2018 9:49 PM

CPL Sean Stout — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:49:45 -0400

Depends on situation, if at informal position and not around senior ranks then ok, however if addressing anyone senior to you then no, straight parade rest or about which ever is deemed most appropriate. Thumbs have a tendency during parade rest however still not appropriate

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jul 3 at 2018 10:47 PM

SSgt Max Gonzales — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:47:15 -0400

On duty protocol is followed,in the barracks or your home who cares!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 11:36 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 23:36:14 -0400

Who cares?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 8:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 08:39:53 -0400

So dumb.

Can you shoot, move and communicate? Close with and destroy the enemy? Who gives a damn about hands in the pockets!

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 11:41 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:41:40 -0400

In the winter, or in the fiend.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 11:47 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:47:29 -0400

The fact that is even a question shows how gay the military has gotten, where else is someone supposed to put their hands? Do you guys even have a brain? If you have something that makes your life easier or better at your job you use it!!

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 1:21 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 13:21:30 -0400

First of why are you putting your hands in your pocket, your looking for something? For those who don't know a pocket is a small bag sewn into or on clothing so as to form part of it, used for carrying small articles not your hands. It looks un profesional and very lazy. Can you run with your hands in your pocket? How about engage in hand to hand combat? I didn't think so, so unless your hands are freezing (put some gloves on) keep your hands out or get out. Simple.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 1:22 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 13:22:41 -0400

Where is your belt buckle suposed to be?

Response by SGT James McDougal made Jul 4 at 2018 3:14 PM

SGT James McDougal — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:14:38 -0400

Well it really doesn't look professional especially in class As but I don't see where the problem is while in camos

Response by SPC Michael Jones made Jul 4 at 2018 4:35 PM

SPC Michael Jones — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:35:58 -0400

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 9:01 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:01:18 -0400

This is why people get out for stupid conversations like this. Grown men used to be in. Now I'm not to sure

Response by SFC Ralph Tuttle made Jul 4 at 2018 9:52 PM

SFC Ralph Tuttle — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:52:19 -0400

Still hook my thumbs in my pockets

Response by SPC Mark Kator made Jul 4 at 2018 10:28 PM

SPC Mark Kator — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 22:28:58 -0400

It was hard for me because on one hand, you aren’t allowed to put your hands in your pockets, but with the job having to work with high power, you were told to keep one hand in your pocket (to prevent you from holding something that could complete a loop and kill you). Many years later, I rarely have my hands in my pocket, but almost always have one hand behind my back holding my belt at the waistline. It was something that helped me from “breaking the rules” and having a hand in the pocket.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Jul 4 at 2018 10:47 PM

Sgt Frank Staples — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 22:47:37 -0400

There are some rules and regs that have no basis in common sense

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2018 10:22 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 10:22:35 -0400

Could care less about belt loops and buckles. If you're so preoccupied with whether or not Soldiers have their hands in their pockets or belt loops and what dumb shit is in AR 670-1, then you probably use that as a detractor from your inability to correctly perform any menial 10-30 tasks.

Response by SGT William Black made Jul 5 at 2018 10:55 AM

SGT William Black — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 10:55:37 -0400

I had a big fight with my hands in my pockets. With that said I don't think hands need to be in the pocket but hooking the beltloop is a good alternative. Its like saying gosh instead of other things

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2018 1:58 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 13:58:52 -0400

Discipline, without it... the force is questioned. Even in the most austere conditions... it is imperative we continue a mentality of discipline and leadership is key to it's continuation by example.. it just makes you a better person in the end... even after, in civilian life.. stereotypes by civilians these days have already begun.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2018 2:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 14:08:04 -0400

I’ve always enjoyed D&C. The professionalism that is demonstrated while in formation is a direct representation of the unit. With that being said, I completely understand no hands in pockets while in formation. However, anytime else shouldn’t be an issue especially in the field.

Response by Cpl Brad Cochran made Jul 5 at 2018 7:31 PM

Cpl Brad Cochran — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 19:31:09 -0400

As a Marine need I say more.

Response by PO2 Hauke Powers made Jul 5 at 2018 7:35 PM

PO2 Hauke Powers — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 19:35:34 -0400

I can see using pockets in BDU's...NOT in DRESS or Class A Uniform....except for the back right pocket for the wallet....that's what was drilled into my head...as far as the belt...leave it alone...it is doing it's job just fine holding up your trousers without any additional help from you...!!! God bless everybody !!!!

Response by SFC Charlie Broadus II made Jul 5 at 2018 8:23 PM

SFC Charlie Broadus II — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 20:23:55 -0400

Got no problem with it, as a former instructor we would put one hand in our pocket and have a pointer in the other

Response by CW2 Michael Artley made Jul 5 at 2018 8:43 PM

CW2 Michael Artley — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 20:43:15 -0400

Hands in pockets looks sloppy, like you are back on the block standing on the corner. The casual appearance does not present a professional appearance.

Response by SFC Jeremy Smith made Jul 5 at 2018 10:14 PM

SFC Jeremy Smith — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 22:14:31 -0400

I always did that I went from a drill to an SGL other instructors did not like it

Response by Maj Charles Bennett made Jul 5 at 2018 10:21 PM

Maj Charles Bennett — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 22:21:03 -0400

Got yelled at one time as a 2dLt for having my hands in my pockets. Really, really cold with no gloves. Never did it again. Mine not to reason why.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 12:59 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:59:32 -0400

No hands in pockets is one of the most asinine regulations in the Army. Why the fuck would you designe a uniform like BDU,ACU, or now the OCP and not allow soldiers to use the pockets.

Nothing more then over regulation by some nameless buracrate sitting in a cubical at the Pentagon framing up bullshit to justify his/her job.

Response by SGT Michael Smith made Jul 6 at 2018 1:54 AM

SGT Michael Smith — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 01:54:28 -0400

I still do this. Haha

Response by PO1 Mike Roberson made Jul 6 at 2018 2:50 AM

PO1 Mike Roberson — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:50:36 -0400

If the military don’t want your hand in pockets don’t put pockets on them and if god didn’t want your hand in your pockets yo get warm he would have made your arms shorter! This is my opinion!

Response by PO3 Jake Lucid made Jul 6 at 2018 9:29 AM

PO3 Jake Lucid — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:29:28 -0400

In an informal or work environment i would not correct my subs for it. In a more "classy" or "proper" environment i would advise against it and would say something to my subs on the matter.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 11:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 11:45:36 -0400

It's called discipline and for image. Civilians put their hands in their pockets and lean against walls not Soldiers. Stop trying to make Soldiers more like civilians.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 4:11 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 16:11:36 -0400

I've never seen a reg say no hands on pockets, just old school NCOs yelling about it haha. That point aside, soldiers already have an awkward time at points with that rule, where would you like their hands? Please and thank you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 4:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 16:15:12 -0400

As long as the rule is there we should follow it. But how are we supposed to tell our soldiers to keep their hands out of their pockets while their commander and every other officer has their hands in their pockets?

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 5:16 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 17:16:26 -0400

Worrying about hands in pockets is the same as worrying about scraping rat shit off the floor of the building that us burning down around you.

Response by CPL Vinnie Vinanti made Jul 6 at 2018 7:22 PM

CPL Vinnie Vinanti — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:22:21 -0400

Sticking your hands down your pants does not look professional. You get a ration of shit for playing pocket pool with your hands in your pockets, it looks like you are racking them up with your hands down your pants.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2018 8:17 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 20:17:16 -0400

If the weather is so bad I rather my soldiers be healthy first

Response by CPL Steven Atkinson made Jul 6 at 2018 9:14 PM

CPL Steven Atkinson — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 21:14:52 -0400

Use to hammered about hands in waist band. But usually did it to keep finger tips warm. Occasionally did it to piss off uppers. Haha

Response by SPC David Sumrall made Jul 6 at 2018 10:25 PM

SPC David Sumrall — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:25:51 -0400

Go full on Al Bundy

Response by SGT(P) Harry Clyde Jr. made Jul 7 at 2018 12:41 AM

SGT(P) Harry Clyde Jr. — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 00:41:48 -0400

My 2 bits. When I was SMA Hall came by to talk to as many NCOs that could fit in the Theater, this was 97 I think. He strolled up the eisles with a mike on. While doing so he had a hand in his pocket, we all saw it. One NCO quickly took a picture of this with a flash, he saw it and ask"Who took that?" Silence then he mocked " Sergeant Major of the Army has his hands in his pocket" then he said " What are you going to do about it?" Then in a mocking tone "Nothing". It got a chuckle. Later on when getting ready to leave, I was buy the door, he asked where the soldier was that took the picture, he was told that he may have left. SMA then says " I don't want to chew him out I want to get a picture with him." Now I"m guessing that he didn’t think much of that part of the reg.
Now, by reg I'm wrong on this, but during cold periods, especially when wearing gloves was not permitted, I would over look the hands in pockets as long as it wasn't constant but only out side and on who was present. We all have done it, and damn it sometimes finding that right coin or re adjusting your keys takes a while. Though it was common to put your hands in your trousers behind your back.

Response by SGT Tim Kulik made Jul 7 at 2018 12:42 AM

SGT Tim Kulik — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 00:42:51 -0400

To not have your hands in your pockets is a sign of readyness. Grab that belt buckle, it shows your ready to fight.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2018 10:14 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 10:14:16 -0400

I mean why not? Pockets, belt, belt loops who really cares?

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2018 2:06 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 14:06:38 -0400

One of my pet peeve
I hate it when jr sailors leaning on support equipment or have their hands in their pockets. Especially when the skipper is on his way to the plane
To me shows total disrespect. I smash that ass when I see it. Then I smash the first classes for letting it happen in front of them.

I guess I get it from the ole man He was in the Marines in the 50's

Response by MSG Charles Pecka made Jul 7 at 2018 2:07 PM

MSG Charles Pecka — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 14:07:01 -0400

Those were called SF gloves “hands in pockets”

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2018 3:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:06:22 -0400

I do it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2018 3:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:08:10 -0400

Nothing wrong with it. Just no hands in the pockets.

Response by SPC Phillip Dockter made Jul 7 at 2018 4:47 PM

SPC Phillip Dockter — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 16:47:00 -0400

Negative, keep hands unoccupied at all times if possible.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2018 7:11 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 19:11:54 -0400

The only people I've noticed that will say anything about it are E7 - E9. Not saying all of them care, but the large majority of "hey, get your hands out if your pockets" come from them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 4:33 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 04:33:47 -0400

Who cares...less than 24 months from now I can put my hands in my pockets, skip shaving and go outdoors without head gear. Hurry up retirement.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 7:57 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 07:57:18 -0400

The idea seems to stem from the idea that a Soldier with hands in pocket has nothing to do. Today, a Soldier is more likely to pull out a smart phone than stand around. I have no problem with hands on hips or holding belt. I am also pretty lax with the pocket thing. A few fingers is okay, just not the whole hand.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jul 8 at 2018 8:09 AM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 08:09:01 -0400

I came in back in 1979. Don't put your hands in your pockets, don't fold your arms, don't do a reverse parade rest with your hands. Holding your belt seemed like the only option. To some leaders, they would have us remove our arms completely to fanatically make things look tidier. In the real world they call that obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Response by SGT Richard Ledford made Jul 8 at 2018 8:51 AM

SGT Richard Ledford — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 08:51:19 -0400

Standing around with hands in pockets just looks sloppy like keys hanging off belt loops. I agree with enforcing it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 9:36 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:36:39 -0400

Because worrying about this is more important than Skill Level 1 proficiency, basic branch competency for Lieutenants, and DEFINITELY more important than weapons proficiency.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 12:24 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:24:55 -0400

I used to take pride in having cold hands, standing tall with chest out and shoulders back. Now, I think its a retarded policy, and it piles stress onto the team where better morale would be, otherwise. I only lasted 5 years, because of the military's shitty policy and protocol.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jul 8 at 2018 4:16 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 16:16:04 -0400

First, the reason why you keep your hands out of your pants pockets is to keep you from playing pocket pool. If you don't know what that is, you are way too naive.
As far as holding belt buckle .... never saw that. Holding the belt, yeah. I would put my hands inside my belt or hook my thumbs in it. Or, when at parade rest, stick my hands down the back of my pants.
I see no problem with it. Of course I'm a civilian now and will put my hands anywhere that is legal if I so desire.

PS. When you are standing on a pier and the rain is going sideways, anybody who objects to hands in pockets is an idiot.

Response by SPC Christopher Murano made Jul 8 at 2018 5:04 PM

SPC Christopher Murano — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:04:58 -0400

Look, everyone on this site either has or is currently serving, Many regulations make sense and others are just regulations with no rhyme or reason.

Response by Sgt Wallace Peterson made Jul 8 at 2018 5:05 PM

Sgt Wallace Peterson — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:05:01 -0400

Be a cool cowboy when you wear your hat & spurs, not in formation.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Jul 8 at 2018 6:24 PM

CSM Andrew Perrault — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:24:30 -0400

I've never saw a Soldier doing that, it would appear to me to look unprofessional, just stand at ease....

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 6:35 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 18:35:52 -0400

That’s my power stance. Have a patent on it.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2018 7:28 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 19:28:03 -0400

I think I’d just look the other way if I saw anyone either have their hands in pockets or in the belt. There are bigger fish to fry than stressing over something that has no use improving our ability to kill or supply those do the killing. In my humble opinion.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Jul 8 at 2018 7:38 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 19:38:10 -0400

Like how? Thumbs hooked in the buckle or in the belt? Why does anybody need to hold anything? Let your hands hang, or put them behind your back, NOT in your waistline. Stop being lazy, simple as that.

Response by SGT Art Corrales made Jul 8 at 2018 8:07 PM

SGT Art Corrales — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 20:07:13 -0400

I don't agree with the regulations but I had the discipline to follow the rules.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Jul 8 at 2018 10:32 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 22:32:12 -0400

I was told once that those who do that, it is because they were almost caught with their hands in their pockets. they think they are being slick but the sgt majors know all the old tricks

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 1:00 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:00:57 -0400

Had some fat E7 at a motor pool at Lewis in the dead of winter ask me if I was a cowboy... I was an E4 at the time so I guess you boys can imagine my response

Response by PO1 Michael Moe made Jul 9 at 2018 8:08 AM

PO1 Michael Moe — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 08:08:33 -0400

How about I don’t give a shit!

Response by MSgt Ronnie Kelly made Jul 9 at 2018 11:52 AM

MSgt Ronnie Kelly — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 11:52:26 -0400

It was always a struggle for me, grew up on a farm and hung out with all the older gentleman. It was just a natural thing to do. When I joined I was constantly being yell at about it. When I started my career as a flight crew member, it was kinda solved the flight suit, although covered with pockets there were none that worked. However when I became an instructor it became a very bad habit, my solution... I had my front pockets sewen closed. To this day I only go to them is if there is something I need.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 1:53 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 13:53:53 -0400

Worry about divorce and suicide instead of thumbs in a belt.

Response by PFC Aaron Cox made Jul 9 at 2018 6:27 PM

PFC Aaron Cox — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:27:50 -0400

Sounds like they need to tighten their gear before they expose 1 flag pole and 1 ass.

Response by Heather Dunkin made Jul 9 at 2018 7:03 PM

Heather Dunkin — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 19:03:31 -0400

Nope it just a bad as hands in the pocket

Response by SGM Robin Johnson made Jul 9 at 2018 8:43 PM

SGM Robin Johnson — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 20:43:57 -0400

"Hold their waistline"? As in standing with their hands on their hips? Why not, if a Soldier is not in formation we aren't supposed to be policing every aspect of how they sit and stand. Don't give anyone ideas or pretty soon there will be three authorized standing and three authorized sitting positions when not in formation, in some units. Full disclaimer, I often stood with my hands on my hips, and didn't realize it until my Soldiers took a picture of me standing on a little slope like that... plenty of jokes. I'm 5'2" and their theory was I was trying trying to take up more space....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2018 11:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:00:30 -0400

At DSS it was once explained that no where in regulation does it state specifically you cannot have your hands in your pockets yet it does state your are not allowed item protruding from your pockets and in so if your hands are in your pockets then your arms are protruding from your pockets! Lol, silliness that kinda makes sense to a rule that nobody really knows or cares why! They all just walk around saying, "I dont know, that's just how its always been". Common sense has left long ago for many soldiers. Most would rather be part of the sheep heard than dare be an opposing lion looking for real answers. After all is said and done, there's always more said than done.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jul 9 at 2018 11:46 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:46:58 -0400

When they decided it was still summer we put our hands in either the front of our pants or the small or our backs. Its cold, there is 2 foot of snow on the ground and our dumb asses are standing there with our sleeves rolled up. Anyway, hands in pockets is trivial

Response by Sgt Chris Hatridge made Jul 10 at 2018 8:19 AM

Sgt Chris Hatridge — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:19:41 -0400

In the Corps, we called having your hands in your pockets "wearing your Army gloves"... my guess is that way back when, some staff officer in charge of "little, annoying rules that really make no difference at all" decided that we shouldn't have our hands in our pockets (since the unwritten rule states that your pockets are to be empty and flat anyway)

Response by SSG Andrew Michael made Jul 10 at 2018 8:29 AM

SSG Andrew Michael — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:29:31 -0400

Make them wear pink latex gloves if it bothers leadership that much! Oh wait that might hurt some snowflakes feelings!

Response by 1SG Thomas Roman made Jul 10 at 2018 8:36 AM

1SG Thomas Roman — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:36:01 -0400

To this day I will not put my hands in my pocket. I never thought much about the rule, guess I was rules are rules, they didn’t need explanation.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2018 10:08 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:08:38 -0400

It’s ok

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2018 11:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:02:54 -0400

Who cares. It keeps me from doing the wrong thing.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Jul 10 at 2018 1:33 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:33:16 -0400

Not a big deal to me. I had some Army warrant run up on me because he thought he saw my hands in my pockets. I was actually pulling my car keys out of my pocket AFTER I had taken off my gloves. We had a testy little exchange but he was wrong and I wasn't afraid to say you were actually mistaken. Couldn't fit my gloved hands in my pockets which is why I had on gloves and I still had on my right glove because it was still cold. When people can't admit they made a mistake, apologize and move on it creates problems. He wanted my squadron commander's name which I provided but I never heard from him.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Jul 10 at 2018 1:33 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:33:55 -0400

Oh and there wasn't a don't care button.

Response by SPC Brian Prate made Jul 11 at 2018 10:04 AM

SPC Brian Prate — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:04:36 -0400

The hands in the pockets issue , in my military time, was meant for formations, in front of officers and when talking to upper enlisted. In all actuality, unless your at attention , rest, or parade rest, in those situations, your just as wrong. I.e., when a private speaks to an nco, they need to be at parade rest until that nco tells them to stand at ease. In essence, unless your off duty, or in the field by yourself playing pocket pool, you need to keep your hands out your daggum pockets.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2018 1:06 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:06:38 -0400

There’s no set standard it’s just custom and tradition.

Response by SSG Michael Langley made Jul 11 at 2018 4:14 PM

SSG Michael Langley — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:14:04 -0400

My detachment from Ft. Carson was working with the Air Force loading aircraft in December at Peterson AFB. Our SMG, who stayed in his warm office back at the fort, stated uniform of pile caps must have ear flaps up. As we were without gloves so that we could better pen our TCMDs, we were not to slip hands in pockets. Our Airmen co-workers had flaps down and hands in pockets, making sure they did not get frostbite. I had my troops copy the air force dress code, as it made sense. An NCO must take responsibility to the mission AND the troops. Sometimes we protect our troops from the chain of command.

Response by SSG Jason Wagner made Jul 11 at 2018 5:03 PM

SSG Jason Wagner — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:03:42 -0400

Why all the questions about regulations ?
Don’t trust what anyone tells you look up for yourself!
If you don’t know where to find it your wrong!!

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 11 at 2018 5:08 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:08:24 -0400

No issue.

Response by PO1 Zacharia Greenlee made Jul 11 at 2018 6:50 PM

PO1 Zacharia Greenlee — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:50:05 -0400

Stupid rule, was so liberating when I could finally do it after RELAD. On a boat, it makes sense though. Walking around with your hands in your pockets when there are so many things to trip you is really stupid.

Response by LCpl Tad Cunningham made Jul 11 at 2018 10:21 PM

LCpl Tad Cunningham — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:21:31 -0400

Hands in my pockets forever. Why the fuck else would I have pockets. The infantry taught me if you're good at your job and look disgruntled people just don't question it. Accept that one Gunny, First Sergeant, or Sergeant Major just depends on the rotation.

Response by PO1 Charles Babcock made Jul 12 at 2018 3:21 AM

PO1 Charles Babcock — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 03:21:53 -0400

i never gained the habit of putting my hands in my pockets except when very cold, even before i was in the Navy. Still don't do it now as its an uncomfortable position for me

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jul 12 at 2018 9:08 PM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:08:37 -0400

Not a very professional look

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 10:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:56:05 -0400

I feel like a redneck whenever I do it but i have to put my hands somewhere other than my pockets. Belt buckle it is.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 5:57 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 05:57:48 -0400

METT-TC dependent

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Jul 13 at 2018 1:35 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:35:30 -0400

Hands in a pockets is never acceptable as a Soldiers, thumb in their belt is much better.

Response by PO2 David Girten Jr made Jul 13 at 2018 6:47 PM

PO2 David Girten Jr — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:47:21 -0400

I actually don't have a problem with it. I maybe did it a few times while I served and was never spoken to about it. I also never saw anyone else get punished for it either.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jul 14 at 2018 6:48 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:48:19 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner Back in the we just had the laundry sew closed fatigue trouser front pocket and Class A informs pockets closed. It just part of the bull shit an drying to get at you don't let them. Hold belt buckle, something new.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jul 15 at 2018 5:26 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:26:41 -0400

Chose wrong occupation??

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2018 9:18 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:18:26 -0400

Yes. At the proper time

Response by PFC Flor Gomez made Jul 17 at 2018 2:35 PM

PFC Flor Gomez — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:35:18 -0400

Of course if your in combat your gonna use your freaking pockets...HELLO !!!....brain geniuses who question that rule. But in respect you dress in uniform to be uniformed and carry yourself in the proper manner and honor the uniform and your company etc...

Response by PO1 James White made Jul 18 at 2018 2:01 AM

PO1 James White — Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:01:01 -0400

Response by CW2 Jim Horton made Jul 21 at 2018 11:31 AM

CW2 Jim Horton — Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:31:38 -0400

The reg keeps the military from looking like a bunch of frat boys hanging out and dressed the same.

Response by PV2 Rooster Cogburn made Jul 23 at 2018 5:58 PM

PV2 Rooster Cogburn — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:58:44 -0400

Although it seems like a needless and pointless regulation, over half the regulations in the Army are the same way. The only purpose they serve is discipline...which isn't so pointless when looked at that way. To me, hands in pockets or on belt loop are about the same. Still requires you to hike up your shirt to accomplish, which looks tacky. Other than that, only the discipline aspect actually has any meaning to me.

Response by SGT Tim Evans made Jul 23 at 2018 6:17 PM

SGT Tim Evans — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:17:57 -0400

Thumbs in belt loops was my go to

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 5:56 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 05:56:30 -0400

If they have such an issue with pockets, dont put them on when designing and producing them.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Aug 5 at 2018 5:17 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 17:17:45 -0400

This ain't Buford Pusser county from (Walking Tall ). Hands in Pockets and hands resting on your belt buckle, shows a lack of self discipline and Decourm.

Response by SPC Nicholas Bettinger made Aug 27 at 2018 1:19 AM

SPC Nicholas Bettinger — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:19:10 -0400

It's so that you'll be able to grab your Weapon faster, and shoot your enemies in the face and eat their babies for breakfast.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Sep 10 at 2018 9:10 AM

SSG George Holtje — Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:10:23 -0400

Hands in pocket comes from a concept that the individual has nothing to do.
There is a story about J Edgar Hoover tearing into his agents for having hands in their pockets meaning they are listless bored and not focused.
It implies the same of soldiers. I was not ok with hands in pockets unless frostbite or stiffened digits was an issue(ie field environment in extreme cold)
A soldier with his hands in his pockets meant team leaders and my e3/e4 mafia needed to get that soldier moving on something.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Sep 27 at 2018 7:03 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:03:48 -0400

If you want to walk around like Hank Hill or Al Bundy, you're the one risking the wrath of those above. To me, it's slovenly. A service person should present an image of constantly prepared and ready to respond at a moments notice to any situation. That precludes 'pocket pool' and trying to point out the fact that one has genitals. You're Soldiers in the US Army, Marines in the USMC, Sailors in the US Navy, Airmen in the US Air Force and members of the US Coast Guard. That, ladies & gentlemen is a position of pride and distinction these days. Those of us who served under the spit and disdain of our countrymen are more than pleased at the improvement in regard but I'm disappointed in the somewhat lackadaisical attitude towards appearance and presentation. Yes I'm an old fart who has got his ire up. My 'rant' is almost over. I will leave you with one final thought and as a lifetime favor I ask you to give it serious thought. "You're walking through an inner city area known for gang activity. The first group is lounging around, scratching their anatomy, hands shoved ito their pockets, not really paying attention. The second group is alert, observant, hands free of obstruction. Which group do you take seriously?"

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2019 10:09 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:09:52 -0400

As long as they arent in their pockets, no problem

Response by SPC David S. made Jun 3 at 2019 2:01 PM

SPC David S. — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 14:01:57 -0400

Good article on all the flavors of the "Army Stance" from the belt grip to full blow Air Force gloves.
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2016/09/26/the-army-stance-what-it-says-about-you/

The Army Stance: What it Says About You

Shakespeare apparently once said that, “Clothes make the man.” Well, in the Army, we all have to wear pretty much the same thing: colorful pajamas. And there’s not much you can do to accessorize &#…

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2019 3:56 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:56:42 -0400

I was trained to not allow hands in pockets. Most of the time I don't care. When addressing someone take them out.
Also when its -20 degrees F here in WI and it's what I call "Operation Its Too Fricking Cold For This," hands in pockets. Its situational but I see the "image" of hands in the pockets doesn't show professionalism. And anyone higher above me always frowned upon it and reviewed it as inattentiveness. Apparently we can't be aware and alert....with hands in pockets. Weird.

Response by SSgt Dee O'Connor made Sep 27 at 2019 3:08 AM

SSgt Dee O'Connor — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:08:24 -0400

I'm from Texas, you see that on farms

Response by PVT Tony Notimportant made Nov 7 at 2019 10:52 AM

PVT Tony Notimportant — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:52:40 -0500

One of the dumbest and must one sided conversations. I’ll be walking by a officer with his hands in his pocket, talking to SGM. It’s that same old ass SGM who would rip me a new hole. For what..having a hand in my pocket. That’s like saying no you can’t have anything (notes,car keys,dip) in any pockets. It’s not like SM’s disrespect while talking to superiors and put their hands in their pockets.

Response by MSgt Mark Wood made Jan 9 at 2020 8:50 PM

MSgt Mark Wood — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 20:50:17 -0500

Were soldiers during WWII allowed to have their hands in their pockets? Reg?