To those that don't care about Stolen Valor, what makes you not care?

2016-01-27T16:55:59-05:00

Some people just shake their head when they see the news headlines, scroll past it, or lose their mind and share with the world. I would like to think deep down we all really do care about exposing phonies especially when they are wrongfully receiving benefits that the deserving need. There is a chain reaction that could be talked about forever on how the phonies hinder the process for veterans.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 4:58 PM

2016-01-27T16:58:55-05:00

SFC Private RallyPoint Member I agree with you. I don't think it is that we don't care, I think it's information overload. There's just so much coming at us at one time. I would give you an upvote but I'm all out of them today.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jan 27 at 2016 5:15 PM

2016-01-27T17:15:00-05:00

They aren't worth my time. They aren't worth my effort. They aren't worth my emotional investment. I have far better things to get angry about.

When they cause actual financial (fraud) or physical harm to someone else, go after them. Nail them to a wall. Other than that, I'm dealing with only so much sand in my hourglass and it's far too precious too burn on these $&*%*&(s.

Response by MSgt John Carroll made Jan 27 at 2016 5:15 PM

2016-01-27T17:15:37-05:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCnzi6L_BsM

It's Stolen and I Know It

http://rangerup.com presents our homage to Stolen Valor. Inspired by LMFAO's Sexy and I know It. Performed by Big Ol Band.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Jan 27 at 2016 5:30 PM

2016-01-27T17:30:24-05:00

I care, but I care more about the Constitution than my own feelings. We can't say "we're a free country, but you can't say or wear those things because it offends me." I'm just not a fan making laws that ban citizens from wearing certain symbols when there are groups of people offended by those symbols. It sounds contrary to everything we serve for.

Now if people want to expose phonies, I'm all for it. Let them be judged by the public.

When it comes to fraud, there are plenty of existing fraud laws to cover those cases. Those who commit fraud should be prosecuted under fraud laws.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jan 27 at 2016 5:32 PM

2016-01-27T17:32:31-05:00

SFC Private RallyPoint Member - Stolen Valor and Flag Burning both illicit the same response from me: It bothers me. But at the end of the day, it doesn't impact me. I've never caught a poser. But, I have spoke to some who've I suspected of not being truthful in explaining their military experience. In those cases, I've just discontinued the conversation, shook my head, and moved about my day. Just curious: What benefits are posers getting?

Response by SPC Randall Eichelberger made Jan 27 at 2016 5:34 PM

2016-01-27T17:34:55-05:00

Its not that I don't care, its that the Supreme Court has ruled it protected speech and I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, all of it, not just the parts I agreed with. Note this isn't the same thing as fraud, which is an actual crime, of which I don't support at all.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 5:38 PM

2016-01-27T17:38:55-05:00

I would have to say that it is not that I don't care about it (I do), but the possibility exists that the person is either NOT stealing valor, or the individual may have a mental illness that leads them to do that. While it may nit be the majority of those who commit stolen valor, I would rather let many actual stolen valor go that accuse one by mistake who actually earned the valor awards. Additionally, I feel that sometimes those who confront potential valor issues step out of line and bring discredit to their respective services. Just my opinion

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 5:59 PM

2016-01-27T17:59:56-05:00

The big flowers are a nice touch. Those must be foreign jump wings from Tonga or something...

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Jan 27 at 2016 7:38 PM

2016-01-27T19:38:34-05:00

There are two sides to this, as far as I'm concerned.

If you are claiming to have done things as a means to gain public spotlight (and I mean PUBLIC, which is not the same as "being in public" [a la Brian Williams]) or if you are out and out lying about your service to gain financial reward, I think you've crossed the line and should be called out as a liar or a cheater.

Now... If you're wearing ribbons or medals that you haven't earned but are NOT attempting to gain influence by those unearned medals (e.g., you're some poor SOB who's wearing a Trident with your Air Force dress uniform at your nephew's High School graduation), I don't believe that being chased down by some wild-eyed E-4 with a camera phone, interrogating the poor loser like he's some ISIS scimitar-wielding underwear bomber, then posting the humiliation of this poor SOB on the internet...
THAT'S going too far. The punishment does NOT fit the crime.

I hope that explains the difference in my mind. Intent of the "violation" matters to me.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jan 27 at 2016 7:49 PM

2016-01-27T19:49:28-05:00

The poser in the picture reminds of Muammar Gaddafi SFC Private RallyPoint Member. Not only his face but the sheer amount of bling he is wearing.

Response by 1SG David Niles made Jan 27 at 2016 7:56 PM

2016-01-27T19:56:53-05:00

I was going to pass this up and not respond...but I changed my mind.. What other people wear either earned or not takes nothing from what I did and earned. I don't need nor seek approval or recognition from others in regards to my service. I don't need to justify or explain what I have or have not done. I only have an issue with someone getting a concrete benefit from their fraud, i.e... Va medical, va loan ect

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 8:01 PM

2016-01-27T20:01:42-05:00

I care, but we need to be careful to not make a mistake and accuse someone of stolen valor that is not a phony.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 8:13 PM

2016-01-27T20:13:28-05:00

Anyone that never served can wear a uniform if they want. You can tell who your brothers and sisters are that know what to do should the SHTF!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 8:13 PM

2016-01-27T20:13:49-05:00

I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with this culture of SMs or Vets walking up to people and demanding proof of service. Lately there were two threads about 75 year old vets getting publicly humiliated by other vets. In one case the vet ( or maybe it was a soldier) wouldn't even believe the vets VA card, claiming anyone could print one out.

So that got me thinking how I would respond if someone saw me wearing either military related awards or badges on Veterans Day or say military badge related hats or Tshirts, and came up and started asking me questions. The truth is, in this day of identity theft and scams, I would probably politely tell that guy to f--k off. I sure as hell would never feel like I owe it to any stranger that walks up to me to produce my military ID card and DD214. Really, who the f--k do these people think they are?

This is the United States. I don't have to respond to "your papers please" from anybody, much less some soldier with a hair up his ass.

And as pissed as that would make me, I can't imagine how my dad would have responded when he was 75 if some twenty something "kid" walked up to him and basically demanded that he, a WWII and Korean War vet, prove to this stranger he is authorized to wear his CIB with star. Even at age 75, he would probably try and fight the guy.

So this whole blood sport of confronting and videoing and humiliating people just because they may be wearing a badge wrong has got to stop. It's unprofessional and unAmerican. As I said, I don't have to tell you where I went to basic, what Ranger School Class I was in, or anything else. It's none of your f--king business. You're a damn total stranger to me. Hell, I have no way of knowing if you are even a soldier yourself. So get out of my face and keep your vigilante bullshit away from me or my dad, or others like us. I'd rather a thousand clowns walk down the street in costume than one vet be humiliated by someone who probably hasn't served a fraction of the time the vet did.

There are laws about actually stealing goods or services by impersonating vets. Leave that to the stores. If they give military discounts to people without requiring appropriate ID cards or documentation, that's their mistake. IMO vets should stay in their lane and stop confronting people.

Response by SGT Michael Padgett made Jan 27 at 2016 8:27 PM

2016-01-27T20:27:27-05:00

Those individuals so called phonies deserve to be punished severely our veterans The ones served in direct combat deserve more than they get right now so if those phonies want to take credit for things they haven't done where metals they didn't deserve they should be sent to Fort Leavenworth and be punished for their crimes

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jan 27 at 2016 9:37 PM

2016-01-27T21:37:03-05:00

What a great costume! For what?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 10:46 PM

2016-01-27T22:46:12-05:00

I think people are not reading the part regarding benefits. Falsely receiving benefits is the issue. I understand there's law regarding freedoms speech and news stories of idiot kids wrongfully accusing older vets. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I specifically mentioned. Falsely receiving benefits.

Response by MSgt John Taylor made Jan 27 at 2016 11:05 PM

2016-01-27T23:05:17-05:00

Just about every occurrence, these wannabes tend to portray themselves as Rangers, SEALS, GB's, Marines etc. I have never heard of anyone pretending to be an Air Force crew chief! I have a great deal of respect for the above mentioned, but I don't really know the sacrifices and commitments that these folks have made to be able to call themselves "whatever."

For someone to make a false claim about being someone or something that I'm not, or don't aspire to be, tends to just sound like white noise to me. When I'm pressed to respond, naturally I hate to hear or see the lie, but it doesn't really resonate with me.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 11:19 PM

2016-01-27T23:19:50-05:00

I think the guy in the photo was in the Trump video about veterans.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2016 8:16 AM

2016-01-28T08:16:16-05:00

SFC-I respectfully suggest that it isn't so much lack of concern, as it is fear of becoming a worse element of dishonor and discredit than those guilty of Stolen Valor. Personally, I get a little queasy and feel more than a little disgraced whenever I see a video of some mental case wearing an ill-fitting uniform with incorrect decorations being berated by hyper-charged active duty folks...It's like making the whole of the Services one big joke.

Response by SGT Lamont Hilliard made Jan 28 at 2016 12:22 PM

2016-01-28T12:22:13-05:00

I honestly think that these FAKE veterans should be investigated and tried to the fullest extent of the law. The fact they are posing as something they never were. This is a insult to ALL VETERANS who have served and paid their dues, (boot camp, schools & deployments). It seems these posers are attempting to get instant gratification and sympathy for something they NEVER were. They should be held accountable. One day there FAKE military exploits will catch up to them. Karma will definitely give them what they deserve.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Jan 28 at 2016 12:42 PM

2016-01-28T12:42:00-05:00

Don't forget all the politicians who claimed to be combat tested and awarded medals that they never received. Some of these phonies are still serving in Washington DC and their home states. The late Colonel Mitchell Paige went after the guys/gals who falsely claimed they had received the Congressional Medal of Honor just to get more votes for their election campaigns. He told us about an Army nurse who ran for congress from Ohio and claimed she was awarded the MOH in Vietnam but she apparently was not aware that only one women was awarded this medal for her efforts in the Civil War.

Response by SGT Ronald Bacon made Jan 28 at 2016 1:37 PM

2016-01-28T13:37:34-05:00

I am with the Freedom to wear whatever they like thinking, but being able to wear it and telling people you are it is not the same. If I do not see someone actively lying about military service I have nothing to say. I am also far from an expert on spotting a fake.. I can tell the common stuff but if I (A Army National Guard Veteran) see a Navy Super Seal Capt. Major to the 3rd power I would not know this is not a thing. (Ok That I would, but my point) I don't want to be wrong and possible hurt the image of a fellow Veteran because of my actions.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Feb 11 at 2016 12:36 PM

2016-02-11T12:36:03-05:00

So here's the thing. There are already fraud laws in place. These laws, while varying from state to state, municipality to municipality, at the most basic level say that it is illegal to profit from lying. If you claim to be a vet to get a veteran discount, that is fraud. If you overstate your military experience and expertise to get a job, that is fraud. If you are swapping "No shit there I was" stories in the bar for entertainment, that is NOT fraud. If you are walking down the street in class A uniform with CSM rank, EIB, Combat badge (but no combat stripes), and an MP brassard, that is not fraud.

Stolen Valor act is an attempt to prosecute the last two cases for a "special" type of lying. Lying is not illegal (unless you profit, or are under oath). It should NOT become illegal just because of a specific topic.

Do I think it is reprehensible behavior? Absolutely. But I also think getting loud pipes on your car is reprehensible behavior, too. Just because I don't LIKE it, doesn't mean it should be illegal. The mere act of claiming to be a Soldier (or Sailor, Airman, Marine, Veteran) does not actually hurt anyone. As soon as you DO harm someone (by taking a job they could have had, by claiming benefits you are not entitled to, etc.) then there era already laws in place.

Will I call someone out and put them on the spot? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean I think they should go to jail for being a (expletive censored).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2016 1:14 PM

2016-05-23T13:14:16-04:00

I don't go around looking for them. The three I caught and confronted were posers. I caught two at the VA years ago, and one here on RP. It didn't make me mad or anything, it made me sad they felt like they had to embellish their service records. The two at the VA talked their way into being phonies. They were both there trying to get a disability for PTSD. The lies, and the embellishment of their time in the service was so obvious, a civilian would have been suspicious. It's almost embarrassing to listen to them because it's so obvious they are lying. One of them kept trying to get a former Vietnam vet medic to say that he picked him up on a battle field near Bon Song. The medic told him hell no he didn't do anything with him because he worked in a different part of Vietnam. All I did was go to the PTSD director and told her about their claims and that I was pretty certain they were lying. Whatever she did, I don't know, but they weren't there for the second part of the program.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made May 26 at 2016 12:18 PM

2016-05-26T12:18:00-04:00

they don't care because it might offend someone.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Jun 29 at 2017 3:17 AM

2017-06-29T03:17:11-04:00

Most people seem to have a misconception of what stolen valor really is. Just because someone is wearing a uniform or military insignia does not constitute Stolen Valor. The Stolen Valor Act of 2013, The Act makes it a federal crime to fraudulently claim to be a recipient of certain military decorations or medals in order to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit. Beyond that it is a misguided person looking for attention. To many people try to hard to questions anyone's service if it sounds the least bit suspicious and in more and more cases they have been falsely accused because of someones wrong information.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2017 11:22 AM

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I had a young and drunk NG 13F who had never deployed accuse me of stolen valor at a bar. I was wearing a shirt that was a shirt from one of the companies I had deployed with. I told him to fuck off, showed him my old CAC showing me as a SSG. He followed me outside to my bike and chose to get aggressive until he had a gun in his face. These people doing this need to watch themselves, they may run into the wrong person and get killed.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Jul 1 at 2017 11:39 AM

2017-07-01T11:39:00-04:00

If someone is simply talking trash.... (the no-sheet, there I was) I don't really care. I have a problem with someone embellishing their military career for personal gain. More specifically, people that make fake non-profits or GoFundme charities to line their pockets. They come up with this whole persona that has no basis in reality to prey on well-meaning people to give them money. Some of them, which I will not name literally make hundreds of millions of dollars a year doing this. If you want to put a SF tab on your uniform to impress your family at a wedding I don't really care. You have to look at yourself in the mirror every morning not me. I know what I did in my military career was not headline worthy. I served my country honorably, I make no claims about parachuting behind enemy lines or diving on a grenade to save my battle buddy in a foxhole. I signed on the dotted line. I tried to be the best soldier I could be. When I pinned on my stripes I tried to be the best NCO I could be. That should be enough for anyone.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 1 at 2017 12:07 PM

2017-07-01T12:07:00-04:00

Damn, would I love to say something about one of our RP members with regard to this image, but I am too nice and may get slapped down.

Response by SGT Eric Hawkins made Jul 1 at 2017 2:21 PM

2017-07-01T14:21:35-04:00

It bothers me to an extent. When a perfectly mentally culpable person puts on military garb or wears unearned awards, it burns my tail. However, I have seen some Veterans call-out people on FB or YouTube that are obviously mentally challenged. These people are harmless and are doing nothing more than engaging in "hero-worship."

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Jul 1 at 2017 8:53 PM

2017-07-01T20:53:20-04:00

Retired LECOS, myself , The retired Badge under my shirt reminds me I am retired No longer active. Stolen Valor is not something I can not arrest, cuff and stuff some one for....... 6 year Navy, myself, I am disgusted with stolen valor, but I remember a judge or two, think stole valor, is a version of Freedom of speech.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 1 at 2017 9:24 PM

2017-07-01T21:24:39-04:00

What's that on his head? The blue thingy. That has to be some kind of record.
I have always believed in the adige "never stand in the way of someone who is determined to make a fool of himself." I would have to engage him in a conversation to hear the story that goes with that outfit. I wouldn't confront him I would go along with the gag

Response by SPC Jeremy Gardner made Jul 1 at 2017 11:47 PM

2017-07-01T23:47:39-04:00

I have seen many takes on how different people deal with stolen valor. I have never had to deal with that and its very difficult to tell just by looking at some people if that is what they are doing. Stolen valor is a serious issue, but at the same time, where do you draw the line. As others have already said here, picking on a 75 year old Vet because you THINK he is lying is not acceptable. Picking on the putz that is wearing half winter camos and desert camos, well that is a little easier to tear apart. Question is should you? Once you start where do you stop? If you have mislabeled one vet already, how many others have to picked on wrongfully?

I prefer to stay back and let the authorities handle it as it is not my place to police peoples actions. If I see something out of place, or wrong I will do my due diligence and report it to the correct individuals, but I don't need, or feel the need, to get in someone's face. If it is an obvious case, report it to the appropriate authorities and go about your business. Confronting them yourself, is not a really good answer and could result in a much more violent confrontation.

Response by PFC Steven Hoffman made Jul 2 at 2017 10:45 AM

2017-07-02T10:45:24-04:00

I am an Army Veteran, have my VA card, still have hard copy pictures of when I served, and a digital copy of my DD-214. Though I don't go around accusing or questioning everyone I think is a poster, I do get offended by those who claim to have served when they haven't.
I have tun across Veterans who don't have or carry a copy of their DD-214 on their person, homeless Vets that don't even have a copy of it or a VA card (mostly they are Vietnam Vets), Falsely accusing a True Veteran to me is worse than , and more dishonorable than, those that lie about it. We that served know we served, those that pretend are just jealous they didn't have the guts or patriotism to do it themselves, let the Authorities punish them, and us stay true to our Brothers and Sisters in Arms, and our Country.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2017 12:04 PM

2017-07-03T12:04:27-04:00

While I don't like the fact that people steal valor, I also don't like the fact that people steal money/lie/etc. And it's not that I don't care, it's that I just don't have enough energy to spend some on every form of human deceit out there. At the end of the day these people are simply thieves. I want them stopped as much as I want the guy who hacked my bank account and bought some crap online stopped. I don't think that everything that's stolen is of equal value but like I said, I don't have the time needed to devote to every issue. I have my hot button issues for sure, this just isn't on the top of the list.

Response by 1SG Stephen Burgess made Jul 3 at 2017 12:17 PM

2017-07-03T12:17:49-04:00

I used to always caution Soldiers to be careful when addressing any stranger because you never know who you're talking to. They might be an "Audie Murphy" for all you know. I further cautioned them that if I personally ever witnessed one of them disrespecting a civilian/Veteran/Retiree I would break my foot off in their ass.

Response by SFC Hal Jeauxdevine, BSM w/"V", MSM, PH, Arcom w/“V” made Jul 3 at 2017 12:38 PM

2017-07-03T12:38:10-04:00

When I see someone not wearing a military uniform correctly or having improperly placed accourtrements, my blood boils. I first explain to them the errors and as I do that, I innocently ask questions like what unit they are with. If answers are incorrect, I let them know that they are bullshit and request that they "...cease and desist" !!

Response by SrA J King made Jul 4 at 2017 8:50 PM

2017-07-04T20:50:56-04:00

I personating a cop is a crime lying about your service is worse. The Supreme Court Or should I say the supreme weenies say it's ok because non of them have served. But they protect the dirty cops suppose to protect and serve the public all they do screw over the poor and oppressed with more oppression. Soldiers get put in jail for accidentally killing civilians in war zone but cops killing us citizen on the streets in the USA is look over. Veterans are the only public servants in country so why can we not be placed veterans in the that protected class

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made Jul 16 at 2017 11:32 AM

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There are enough active duty clowns already.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 16 at 2017 11:49 AM

2017-07-16T11:49:13-04:00

Never enough AD clowns.

Response by SFC Familia Gonzalez made Jul 23 at 2018 12:30 PM

2018-07-23T12:30:34-04:00

Well said... It’s really getting out of control. I had a guy (I assumed on active duty) ask me where I got my Master Blaster wings I had on a 82nd hat I use to wear. Oh, but it didn’t stop there. He went on to ask me where I got my CIB. The guy looked like he was maybe 20 years old, and he clearly wasn’t trying to startup a friendly conversation, but somehow he felt it was his job to walk up to a complete stranger and question his/her service. AATW.

Response by SSgt Matt Faust made Jul 23 at 2018 12:49 PM

2018-07-23T12:49:28-04:00

For me, it’s more about just letting things go. If I got mad at every little thing that someone did to portray the military in a negative light or to make our organizations appear unprofessional, I would boycott war movies, too.

As far as fakes abusing the system, there’s not much I can do there. We’ve got bigger issues to worry about that have a greater impact on our taxes and economy, not to mention that our system isn’t the only one that is manipulated.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2018 2:31 PM

2018-07-23T14:31:45-04:00

There is stolen valor and then there are the nut jobs that like to play dress up and try to appear impressive. Personally I don’t care for either, but stop confusing the two. Bottom line, as long as they are not getting some kind of benefit or handout that should be going to a real hero, leave it alone.

Response by SGT Sean Moore made Jul 23 at 2018 6:26 PM

2018-07-23T18:26:53-04:00

I’ve never been spot checked by anyone, but I have had casual inquiries as to how I’m a retired SGT/E5. Very simple & believable... I spent 7 years regular Army prior to 9/11 in a soft MOS where the promotion cutoff scores were usually maxed out just about every month and was assigned to units with high operational mission tempos, so there wasn’t a lot of spare time for civilian education. Especially before the internet provided online college courses. I’ll admit, I didn’t hit up the correspondence courses as much as I should have either. I ETS’d an E4 in 2000. 3 year break in service between regular Army & National Guard. Reclassed 19K Armor Crewman, did my first OIF tour as a 30/31 year old E4. Made SGT between first & second OIF deployments. 3 months after second deployment was in a wreck, put permanently in a wheelchair and had to medically retire with a total of 17 years service. 44 now and have to wait until age 60 to get reserve component pension, but got my retiree ID and the benefits that come along with it. Would have stayed in if not injured, otherwise no regrets. I didn’t do it to chase rank or medals. Just felt like it was my duty. With that said... fake asses piss me off too, I laugh and shake my head at the obvious ones and drive on about my business.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2018 8:12 PM

2018-07-23T20:12:24-04:00

When you accuse someone you could be wrong.

Response by SFC Martin Reddy made Jul 23 at 2018 8:42 PM

2018-07-23T20:42:45-04:00

I have been confronted twice since I retired. Wore SF crest ball cap. Over 20 years service in Special Forces. Retired from 10th Group in 1995.

Response by CPL Eric Bedford made Jul 23 at 2018 8:44 PM

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I agree that in defending the Constitution I accept everyone’s freedom of speech even if it offends me. I fully believe in freedom of speech no freedom from speech. The problem I have is these young boots who are going around and taking it upon themselves to be the “Stolen Valor” police and getting their 15 minutes of fame through Youtube and Facebook post. They should be careful as they are bordering on Conduct Unbecomeing and risk “exposing” the wrong person who will not let it go and getting this to their chain of command.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Jul 23 at 2018 9:05 PM

2018-07-23T21:05:15-04:00

Take the dude above as an example, he is so ridiculous in appearance that his intent is to make a mockery not some stolen valor attempt but a statement. I believe the same is the case of a lot of these idiots. A turd attempting to representing something he wasn't is smart enough to have the proper badges, ribbons and patches displayed properly. The other come under the category of idiot.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Jul 23 at 2018 9:17 PM

2018-07-23T21:17:19-04:00

I really don’t care if someone fakes their military service. What gets my panties in a wad is if they are receiving a veterans specific benefit from it. And then I don’t blame the individual, I blame the organization that is providing those benefits. They are the one who needs to do their due diligence to verify the individual actually served. You will never stop posers. I chuckle inside and leave it at that.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2018 10:32 PM

2018-07-23T22:32:08-04:00

If it’s blatantly screwed up (Budweiser on any non-Naval uniform) get em I say. If it’s two ribbons are backwards I say let em be because we’re all human and it happens

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Jul 23 at 2018 11:27 PM

2018-07-23T23:27:00-04:00

Us guys over 40 that have been out 20 plus years realize all it accomplishes is a scene that could end in public sympathy for the supposed poser and make us look like asses. It’s primarily the younger vets and active service that are on the warpath over posers, not that it doesn’t piss us off. What they fail to realize is how much the military can change in one generation, I got out in 1993 and the Army doesn’t use the same uniforms, wheeled vehicles or standard issue infantry rifle anymore! I’m a third generation veteran, both grandfathers and a great uncle were WW2 vets, 3 of my uncles were Vietnam, another was in the Navy 81-84, and I’m Desert Storm. Some of the old guys are exactly what they say, one of my Vietnam uncles is a Marine that did two tours and has three Purple Hearts. He was there for the Tet offensive, and his enlistment was extended because he couldn’t be extracted from Kai Son. If you seen him in his 30’s and 40’s you wouldn’t have guessed, he’s 5’9”, weighed 180 until he turned 50, and Mom tells me the Corp bulked him up that far, he was 120 pound kid when he left home. Nowadays he is well known in local veterans organizations that require a DD214 for membership, but when I was growing up he wouldn’t talk about it, and I heard other Vietnam vets hinting that they didn’t believe he even served because he didn’t have the build most associated with Marines. I did see an article recently where a retired Air Force NCO was attacked by three active duty airmen-their reasoning was his ribbon bridge wasn’t properly placed on his jacket, after 20 years out he probably forgot the exact measurement of the placing! Shit changes over the years and minds slip on regulations you haven’t had to think about for a few decades! And if it is actual stolen valor all you’re doing is creating a scene and the civilians will view you as the asshole!

Response by SPC Jonathan Fretwell made Jul 24 at 2018 2:47 AM

2018-07-24T02:47:47-04:00

Number 1, more than likely we are broke dicks who Uncle Sam could care less about. We’re just pieces of old turd that has been used up, cast away to the side, and useless. No one care about useless pieces of turd, the new soldiers with there coed basic training and stress cards are the new Army.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jul 24 at 2018 7:47 AM

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This guy looks dorky, what a nut case, brother SFC Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SPC Robb Brown made Jul 24 at 2018 8:42 AM

2018-07-24T08:42:43-04:00

Is he wearing a Waffen SS cuffband?

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jul 24 at 2018 9:15 AM

2018-07-24T09:15:07-04:00

I believe the laws in this case are sometimes not enforced,as they should be. I had my identity used and nearly lost my benefits. Had to take all my information to social security and prove that I was for real. I was told they had that person in custody.but they wouldn't let me have 20 minutes with him.

Response by Holly Blankenship made Jul 24 at 2018 10:28 AM

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The only ones I might call out would be someone wearing an Army Uniform and the ribbon for the Navy Cross. I might challenge that. But politely.

Response by MSG Jim Booker made Jul 24 at 2018 10:53 AM

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I knew a soldier, SGM no less, who was wearing unauthorized awards and badges while on active duty. When told to show proof he committed suicide.

Response by SFC Ken McClain made Jul 24 at 2018 11:27 AM

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A more mature approach is to just move on and accept those who feel unsatisfied with their life that they need to adorn themselves with such paraphernalia to gain attention. Obviously they are jealous of those who actually served and have some self esteem problem. I refuse to become part of a culture that believes they should take it upon themselves to police this kind of behavior or even give attention to those that want to make false claims of service. I know that I will not submit to any challenge to prove my service, then I do not go around wearing such paraphernalia that draws attention to myself either. Not saying it’s wrong to do so. Maybe at some point I may buy a hat to recognize my IRAQ service and wear it when I turn 70. Until then I use my military ID as a retired Reservist for discounts, unless I opt for AARP. Besides, I think many non-military types can see through the hoopla and recognize a fake when the see one.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Jul 24 at 2018 11:30 AM

2018-07-24T11:30:31-04:00

The man in the photo is a joke. Nobody in their right mind thinks he’s real. It’s the ones wearing medals for valor that are the true assholes!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 11:54 AM

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Most of the video’s aren’t actually stolen valor. They’re some idiot with a bullshit story. Stolen valor is receiving actual benefits they don’t deserve. People at the beach or at the bar yelling huge stories isn’t illegal. Annoying but not illegal.

Response by SSgt Luang Tom made Jul 24 at 2018 12:31 PM

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I generally keep quiet. However, when I see blatant display of mismatched or outrageous mix of ribbons and badges I do stop and ask a few questions...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 1:07 PM

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Everyone who served should care all is earned not just given but knowing when is the key don't accuse unless you are really sure

Response by WO1 Edward Stewart made Jul 24 at 2018 1:08 PM

2018-07-24T13:08:33-04:00

Vet to vet one should know. Any vet I know for example has to much pride to dress like a clown on parade like the one in the picture above

Response by SSG Vance Adams made Jul 24 at 2018 1:25 PM

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I’m my experience, those folks I’ve seen attempting to pass themselves off as Veterans, seldom need my input. More often than not, their need to be recognized and to gain attention is based upon lack of self confidence and fear that they will be judged as less for just being who they are. I’ve never seen any person who is falsely representing him/herself as being comfortable in their own skin and confident in who they are or what they represent. It is almost always self evident in that they wear awards, devices, ribbons, patches, and medals incorrectly. They look like jacked-up assclowns. You never see these people representing themselves as the “ Common Joe”, maybe an AAM, Good-conduct, OIF/OEF ribbon and a National Defense Ribbion and no combat or special skill devices. What you normally see is some skinny or overweight guy with zero bearing, slouchy and red checked, who is decked out like a present day Audy Murphy. Triple stacked SF/Ranger/Airborne/ tower of power, with an added “Sniper” tap just to show he’s a bad ass. You’ll see HALO wings, Combat Diver, Master Parachutist w/ Combat jump, maybe a EOD badge, and the utilmate; a CIB 3rd award!....never even seen one myself.
Or worse.....a CAB 2/3rd award.
We’re talking super bad ass OAF individual who can’t talk about it because his CIA background, and his DD214 and records were burned, lost, and are in a box at FT Knox. I’ve seen this guy at parades, Highschool reunions, and even various Veterans events.....to include VFW....that’s odd.
So, I normally keep my mouth shut and let the Jackass enjoy being a Jackass in front of people who do not know any better.
Where I do draw the line is when one of our own missrepents themselves! All who serve and have worn the uniform are honorable no matter what they did during their service. What’s worse, it’s typically a Senior NCO who’s guilty. That’s why DA photos are important.... it’s tiny and you can not see it w/o a magnifing glass....
but there it is...BSM or ARCOM w/V.... and there’s no Valor initial on their DD214.
What is disheartening is that after 17 years at war, nobody f’n cares anymore. Sure, there is the occasional “ Thanks for your service”...but long gone are those free meals, hugs, and drinks on the house we’d see back in 2003-2010 era. I miss the drinks.
Above all, I choose not to point these individuals out because I simply believe it’s a protected form of free speech. I don’t like it anymore than a KKK/ nazi / Alt right event, but I took an Oath to protect that right and it makes me feel proud that I defended that right. It tells me that things are well and safe in my beloved country.
That was long...and sorry for no spellcheck or poor grammar.
But those nazi guys are still going to get a punch in the face!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 2:06 PM

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I concur with LTC Mathews. I care but I have other things to worry about.

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Jul 24 at 2018 2:44 PM

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I avoid any conflict with any of those seeking attention, I would expect many of these characters have some mental health issues. Really the only time I have any contact with Veterans is when I'm at a VA Medical appointment and I know all these men and women are legit. I have never been challenged by any one about my prior service and if I were I wouldn't react to their challenge

Response by SGT Jack Baxter made Jul 24 at 2018 3:05 PM

2018-07-24T15:05:03-04:00

I see a lot bullying and intimidation going on today when people are being confronted by those demanding proof of veterans service. All this on video which is later posted on social media.

Some of those confronted appear to be mentally ill and others just dipshits. Who cares as long as they are not using their veterans status or lack of to defraud the system for personal gain.

I am 73 and received an honorable discharge many years ago. I was
not a career soldier. Upon discharge I was issued a standard DD214 and a certificate of honorable discharge. I was never given an ID card confirming service. It’s my understanding that such an ID was only given to retired career military. Perhaps this has changed today.

If I were asked to produce an ID I would have nothing to show. Hell, I don’t know I could still locate my 214 after all these years. That said I can say I would be offended by such a demand. This is the US where we are not required to identify ourselves to some asshole on the street trying to intimidate me. I would be inclined to respond with outrage and a go fuck yourself response.

Response by SGT Alex Enz made Jul 24 at 2018 3:14 PM

2018-07-24T15:14:18-04:00

Fuck that, let them wear that shit. You should see all of the stolen valor that's in the active army. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a seargent major add his own awards to his own ERB or even my own XO wrote his own awards just cause his helmet sensor went off.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 3:22 PM

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Most of them are probably those sad people in boot camp that got kicked out because they are out of shape or not cut out for the military

Response by SPC Tim Cook made Jul 24 at 2018 3:32 PM

2018-07-24T15:32:51-04:00

Both of my parents were in the Marine Corps. My father was a lifer. When he retired from the Corps both he and my mother went civil service at Ft Riley for 24 years. When he passed away I got his leather coat with a giant EGA and MARINES on the back. I was stopped many times by people questioning my authenticity. I usually just told them that I was not trying to claim Marine status, but rather was wearing it out of respect for both of them. If pressed I would let them know that yes, I too am a veteran. I served for 8 years in the KS Army National Guard.
In the three or four years that I wore it I only had one guy get pissed of and start yelling at me.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 3:36 PM

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I am with LTC Matthews. I was asked on a cmcruise recently about my desert storm medals I offered to show my dd214 that was the first step. The second would have a swift kick to his little nuts and a demand to show why he a the right to be insubordinate. Fortunately it descalted and the young man simply said he thought I looked too young to have been in DS. Either way, old vets don’t answer to young vets. It should be you g vet standing with old vets. Without them where would be. Sorry I have gone of in a tangent.

Response by SPC Jack Simpson made Jul 24 at 2018 5:25 PM

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Actually it is kind of an honor that those gutless phony imposters are so envious of real veterans they have to pretend they are also heroes.

Response by Cpl Bill Iliff made Jul 24 at 2018 6:30 PM

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I'm troubled on both sides. One, I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone unprovoked, confronting and in some cases, assaulting a complete stranger. As a Marine, I believe that people have the right to be left alone or disregarded in the sense that nothing they can do or say disrespects me in any way. I earned my title, served with honor and will again without hesitation should it be necessary. One the other side, I believe that poorly educated people who impersonate active duty, retired, disabled or honorably discharged military personnel should be reminded that it's not something that will be tolerated. This is also the exact reason why I believe no service should be allowed to wear a camouflage uniform in public outside of an authorized formation. That's how shit like this started.

Response by 1SG Leo Leal made Jul 24 at 2018 7:15 PM

2018-07-24T19:15:46-04:00

I just leave them alone. Some are not 100% mentally and confronting them is not the right thing. As long as no one is getting benefits through false representation, I could care less

Response by CPL Jon McMillen made Jul 24 at 2018 7:49 PM

2018-07-24T19:49:05-04:00

If they are receiving monetary benefits, ie actual stolen valor, I care. If it is just some moron telling made up tales, while wearing a fucked up uniform, I don't. They have to live with their own web of lies. My calling them on it won't change the type of person they are. They'll just alter their lie

Response by 1SG Rob Smith made Jul 24 at 2018 8:18 PM

2018-07-24T20:18:19-04:00

Stolen Valor, lets just say is it worth fighting that fight?

Response by SP5 Randy Hartley made Jul 24 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-07-24T20:30:09-04:00

What circus is that clown working for

Response by SFC Richard Pineda made Jul 24 at 2018 8:31 PM

2018-07-24T20:31:11-04:00

This mentality that service must be proven even when there is nothing really gained is troubling. Some of these people are clearly not dealing with a full stack and are harmless while others are scammers trying to suck the systems tit. Our reactions should very with the situation (scammer/report or slow/talk with them)

Do you have any idea how many people I hear say they’ve thought about going to the VA for something service connected but they feel guilty or unworthy. The judgement has to stop.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2018 9:08 PM

2018-07-24T21:08:31-04:00

I must agre with the LTC,walk up to me a demand proof I’m a vet and like LTC s dad I’m liable to knock you out! I’m a proud vet and if you can’t tell by looking at me then you probably never served anyway

Response by SFC Tom Kuleck made Jul 24 at 2018 9:39 PM

2018-07-24T21:39:03-04:00

Some of what I have seen is beyond the pathetic. Some of the ‘war stories’ I’ve heard almost beg to be confronted. Is it worth the drama? Doubtful. Most imposters have problems with self worth and image. If ya been there and done that... you don’t advertise. You deal with it.

Response by SPC Len Frisch made Jul 24 at 2018 9:39 PM

2018-07-24T21:39:06-04:00

As a Veteran, and a Probation Officer, I have been in Court when a Judge sentenced a stolen valor defendant. When the Judge started reciting the history of the Purple Heart, without notes, I was not surprised the defendant received maximum consecutive prison sentences. The Judge was paralyzed in a bicycle accident. I know that, at least in Reno, Judges take this issue seriously.

Response by PO2 Scott Surbrook made Jul 24 at 2018 10:15 PM

2018-07-24T22:15:28-04:00

Let them wear it. I wear a Texans jersey, but I'm not an NFL player. As long as they acknowledge that they are just practicing a hobby then there's no harm done. I they claim that they are legit even though they are not then I have no sympathy for whatever karma brings them. Military service is a sacred sacrifice that forever changes who you are. If you have never made that sacrifice, at least admit that you're just a fanboy. If you want to wear my blouse to honor servicemen I will lend it to you, but if you claim my service as yours I will destroy you.

Response by SSG Leo Curtis made Jul 24 at 2018 10:15 PM

2018-07-24T22:15:50-04:00

If they are getting benefits yes call them out but I have found that most of the time it is people who have mental issue. I can tell you first hand that since my injury in 2004 in Iraq the head trauma I recieved make me forget details and sometime I mix stories up. So don't judge a book by it couver.

Response by LCDR Tim McKenzie made Jul 24 at 2018 10:20 PM

2018-07-24T22:20:35-04:00

I doubt much false accusations happen. If I guy asked me to prove my service I’m sure I could convince him within 30 seconds because I would give an informed response. The posers are almost all easily detected. That being said, I’ve never outed a poser. I probably would do so with a sarcastic remark than by direct confrontation.

Response by SGT Brian Lorkowski made Jul 24 at 2018 10:55 PM

2018-07-24T22:55:56-04:00

I think the military should go back to only wearing the field uniform on base, like it used to be. It might cut down on the stolen valor issues. It is sad that civilians have to pretend to be soldiers because either they we to much of a wimp to join in the first place, they have the need for everyone to praise them and just to feel important. Being a combat vet I don't have that need, but unfortunately there are some soldiers presently serving, that do.

Response by Thomas Sellberg made Jul 24 at 2018 11:05 PM

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I can see it when they are receiving benefits they didn’t earn. However I don’t particularly care what someone does so long as it only affects themselves. I don’t like it but I also am not going to be the guy calling out vets wrongfully. Besides, you can usually tell who is for real and who is faking it.

Response by SPC Gary Rotter made Jul 24 at 2018 11:38 PM

2018-07-24T23:38:15-04:00

I tend to just listen and laugh at fakes.

Response by SGT Louise Hawthorne made Jul 24 at 2018 11:48 PM

2018-07-24T23:48:15-04:00

I dont appreciate the 'zeal' some have for exposing stolen valor.
I've been accosted by idiots before. Upon discovery I was legit, their only excuse was they didn't know some Gulf War Combat Veterans were women.
I gave them an earful, and the bystanders, too. Still it's up to us to educate the ignorant without causing conflict.

Response by CSM David Draughn made Jul 25 at 2018 12:27 AM

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Those who’ve never served neither appreciate nor understand why veterans get upset when one of these opportunistic clowns try to misrepresent themselves regarding their military service. I’ve met many of these clods. These guys and gals are disgusting.
They are cowards and bums without any shred of decency or character. People managed to expose several serving members of Congress while they were in Office. More than one mayor or city government official misrepresents themselves as well.
Sadly, wearing awards and decorations, save those for valor or a Purple Heart falls under “Freedom of Speech.”
We’ll fight this battle forever, I think

Response by SPC Stephen DeVisscher made Jul 25 at 2018 2:19 AM

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Stolen Valor is the worst of the worst. Call it !

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 3:59 AM

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There’s always gonna be “that guy” who wants to act like a soldier. Let him act and think he’s cool. As long as you know that it literally affects you in no way whatsoever you’ll realize it’s not worth the time you’ll take out of your day to question them.

Response by PO3 Dennis Stockinger made Jul 25 at 2018 4:12 AM

2018-07-25T04:12:32-04:00

Yes this is just a witch hunt i got my dad to be in a Veterans Day parade a few years before he died he is a Vietnam veteran and he had tears when a few people gave him a hug and said thanks he earned 2 Purple Hearts and a bronze star with a v and people was horrible if you would have hassled him he would probably kicked butt if I don’t get to you first

Response by SGT Daniel Nelson made Jul 25 at 2018 4:27 AM

2018-07-25T04:27:05-04:00

It has become freedom of speech to wear awards, ribbons and even uniforms. But receiving benefits of any kind is the fraud. And because it's so very low on the priority list to police officers... They are going to continue to get that free cup of coffee or half off on a burger.

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Jul 25 at 2018 6:49 AM

2018-07-25T06:49:19-04:00

I remember years ago when military camo fatigues became popular and high end fashion stores were selling them for big money. One night at a local club, this girl I knew walked in with camo pants and was showing them off to her friends and us and said: they are great and I only paid $100 for them....i told her I would give her a pair for half that...my cousin who was an ex-marine almost spit his beer out laughing.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 7:25 AM

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SFC, I don’t think it doesn’t bother a single person on this thread. To me it is not my job to go out and blast people for SV. I think as soliders we should be able to control our actions and carry ourselfs with professionalism no matter how upset something makes us. I just get upset when I see a real servicemember out there harassing a person that isn’t even worth a second of their time.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Stone made Jul 25 at 2018 8:02 AM

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Who cares if some moron wears a patch or a badge? I don’t get offended if some high school boy wears a shirt with Army, marines , Navy or Air force on it. Maybe the kid wants to join when he gets done with high school ? I can’t wait for some dickhead to come up and question my military service. Just try to come up to me and interrogate me with questions about where I served, when and where I went to jump school , Who is the sergeant major at the time. I can’t remember half the shit. I got off active-duty 25 years ago. I’ve done so much shit since then. For some people doing a hitch in the military is the pinnacle of their life. For me not so much. I’m glad I served. I don’t put bumper stickers or wear military related swag. (Maybe I should?) Some veterans are uptight. There’s nothing more annoying to me then the “professional veteran”. You know the guy that had multiple copies of every single sick Call visit. Who makes it his mission in life to get the highest disability rating possible out of some minor injury in order to mooch off his fellow countrymen/ tax payers. I have no issue with disabled vets that are truly disabled being compensated. Yeah, I know I went off on a rabbit trail.

Response by LTC Brett Weeks made Jul 25 at 2018 8:11 AM

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Too busy running my own life to police someone else’s...

Response by SPC Jeff Peek made Jul 25 at 2018 9:48 AM

2018-07-25T09:48:04-04:00

Yea, the thing I don’t get is the badgering. It seems in this case conversations are not started with veterans to thank them for there service or share commeradery with a brother or sister in arms. To me it appears conversations are being started solely to hash out weather the person your talking to was or is who they say are portraying themselves to be. I’ve got a lot of military tattoos. Where I’ve been, military units, Jump Wings etc etc. I had a younger man question my jump wings at my vocal VA only to find out he never made it past E2. Was in the Army only about 14 months and was what we in the Airborne jokingly call a 5 Jump Chump. He’s questioning a salty Former Paratrooper with 5 times more cancelled in the air jumps “no goes” than he has actual Jumps and trying to give me a hard time when he should be admiring me. I agree it’s all gone to far. It’s bullshit and shouldn’t happen. Worst part as short as his military service is I would never even dream of taking away from that. HE SERVED OUR COUNTRY HONORABLY. I for one think that’s great and applaud his service. A 60 second NORMAL conversation can be had with the majority of people on this planet and weather or not they were really in the military can deduced. It’s kinda pathetic. I don’t even think it’s aboiut caring if someone served. It’s about seeing. “Did I do better in the military than this guy and if so can I put him down to make my insecurities go away temporarily?”
It ain’t right and it’s gotta stop. Especially with our elderly veterans. Anyway, I’m rambling. Peace and AATW

Response by PO2 Roger O'Day made Jul 25 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-07-25T11:29:14-04:00

It’s funny, these uniform cops would have had strojes in the 70’s when everyone was wearing all kinds of stuff.
When Surplus stores were booming and selling everything.
If the guy is obviously trying to get a real benefit by wearing a uniform it’s easy enough tonspot but because a guy is wearing a shirt or a pin.
Sorry, that doesn’t rise to confrontation.
Someone asks me what my MOS is and I’ll tell them I don’t have one.
Or I maybask back.
What’s an MOS?
I was CG we don’t say that.
LOL.
I could condfuse the heck out of a jarhead or grunt.
And given I positively love confrontation. I may jump in with bith feet.

Response by PV2 Mark Zehner made Jul 25 at 2018 12:33 PM

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Don't really care unless they try to benefit from the act then they usually get caught up in their own lies.

Response by SFC Wayne Tuttle made Jul 25 at 2018 12:45 PM

2018-07-25T12:45:53-04:00

My feeling is if you want to challenge my service you better be able to produce Proof of your service. Because I know I’ll have mine in my wallet. Whether it be a retired ID card or a DD 214

Response by SSG Brent Reck made Jul 25 at 2018 1:47 PM

2018-07-25T13:47:39-04:00

Exactly! I’ve recently seen one where a 60-70 year old homeless man was wearing a woodland camo shirt with no tapes, rank etc. these two 18-21 year old jackasses completely humiliate him screaming “my buddy’s died for this uniform, take it off”.

Response by LTC Gene Moser made Jul 25 at 2018 1:48 PM

2018-07-25T13:48:52-04:00

I agree - it's better to let ten phonies go than to hurt or insult a real vet who may have made a mistake. But I think in the main a true vet can recognize another vet. I notice that the Vietnam vet in question had two Purple Heart medals on, instead of one medal and a star. Well, for one thing, he was coming from a vet reunion, right? Next, I saw once an NCO at a formal event who'd been awarded a decoration when National Guard NCOs didn't get many and he had his ribbons on AND the decoration medal itself. Now, when I see some guy wearing a slew of ribbons showing he's got the Good Conduct Medal from the AF, the Navy, and the Marines, the DSC as the fourth highest award, the CIB but no only Army award, upside down sergeant major's stripes and a 2LT bar worn sideways - I have a good idea the guy is a fake. Then, were I to be wearing my awards for some reason and some young sailors came up to me, with my beard and gut, and said, "You're a fake and we can prove it. What are our ratings?" I'd have no idea! Officers, yeah. Sailor from petty officer from chief petty officer, yeah - but rating and exact rank? Not a chance in the world. And if I asked them to explain to me what a mil is and what does it do, I'm sure none could answer that question.

Response by PO1 Michael Moe made Jul 25 at 2018 2:20 PM

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I was wearing my American legion post had the other day in on it I have 4 military badges two are from Iraq a first calve pin who took over from Old Ironsides, a miniature dolphin pin and a scuba pin. A former nook machinist mate who had just come back from the buffaloes decommissioning saw my fish and inquired in a friendly manner what’s all that stuff on your hat so I explained to him that I was in the Navy and the National Guard and I was on the USS Atlanta and that’s when he told me he was on the Buffalo had a nice conversation with a former submariner who lives in my hometown .

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Jul 25 at 2018 3:13 PM

2018-07-25T15:13:44-04:00

I am still the same Soldier I always have been even as a Veteran. So in saying that...let some young buck Sgt approach me about my proof and it will not end well if he does not move along at a double time. I would not nmbe humiliated he would be though bwahahaha. There are regulations about stolen valor and laws also. So if you come tasking me I am going to quote some refs about how I am going to get you some UCMJ if you persist. Not all old veterans lay down to tyranny from young troopers who think their 5 years in service comes close to things that some of us put up with.

Response by CPL Richard Nettles made Jul 25 at 2018 5:22 PM

2018-07-25T17:22:56-04:00

So this is something I've struggled eith for a long time... I finally came to the conclusion that i will not pry into someone's service to try to find out if they're actually a vet or not. But if they want to talk to me and share their experiences, I'm more than willing to listen. But if their story doesn't add up, and it's obviously apparent that they didn't serve, then i will put it on display for all to see... But i will only do that if i am 100% sure, and I won't pry enough to find out... I get questioned about stolen valor on a regular basis, because i got medically retired, and in order to force myself to accept it, i wear a retired army hat... People all the time pry for info because "I'm too young to be retired." It makes it so much harder for me to accept it, but at the same time, it forces me to admit it. So i take the good with the bad.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 5:23 PM

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I don’t always have proof I’m a vet. If they ask I’ll tell them. If they believe me fine. If they don’t I don’t care. I’m not going to show proof to a total stranger. If the vet didn’t retire or go to the VA for medical treatment, what way would he have to prove it? I never carry a DD-214 with me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 6:39 PM

2018-07-25T18:39:07-04:00

Yep there are enough posers currently in the ranks for me to be concerned with that some dotard at the local Safeway or restaurant. NCOs using positions of trust to be sexual predators. Officers caught misusing govt credit cards. Fraternization, mishandling classified material...openly protesting against the government in uniform..some douche canoe wearing a variety of ribbons of ever branch of the armed forces with a typing proficiency badge next to halo wings and presidents 100 tab while wearing three outdated versions of uniform and a gray or shirt under all of it is a joke and not worth the effort...because I know they are a joke and I'm guess most others do to.

Response by PO2 Hauke Powers made Jul 25 at 2018 6:41 PM

2018-07-25T18:41:56-04:00

Having seen SO many versions of folks using THE UNIFORM, RIBBONS, AND MEDALS, AND HEAD GEAR of our brothers and sisters, I just ignore them and walk away...even when a CUB SCOUT shouted out to one poser...how can you wear Navy ribbons on an Air Force jacket along with Army rank insignia ???? Sad...I just got tired of listening to all the BS that came out of their dough nut holes...Remember..WE, the ones who SERVED...KNOW what was earned, delivered, and paid for...let the fools wander around looking to very much the REAL WORLD as who they REALLY are..WALKING LIARS....remember, even in the REAL WORLD, MOST folks are savy enough to sport a red herring in the fish pool...I have seen OLDER vets shake their heads and walk away...I have seen military wives / spouses pull their kids away from these jokers and give them THE LOOK !!!..remember folks, God KNOWS the score...let HIM handle it....HE protected us when we needed HIM in our times of stress...HE will do the same for us in the face of these misguided fools...God bless everyone !!!!!

Response by SFC Marty Jones made Jul 25 at 2018 6:56 PM

2018-07-25T18:56:20-04:00

Please understand there are more pertinent things going on in this world than someone walking around with medals they didn't earn. Someone mentioned getting benefits from the VA. Trust and believe you can have documentation and the VA won't give you anything. A FAKE ain't gonna get diddly pooh.

Response by SGT Tj Casiano made Jul 25 at 2018 7:19 PM

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In my opinion, those service members or veterans calling out someone for "stolen valor"are really trying to prop themselves up, especially when they post it online. It's more of a self-gratification attempt, rather than a genuine effort to "weed out the fakers."

Response by CPT Toby Chaffin made Jul 25 at 2018 7:28 PM

2018-07-25T19:28:14-04:00

WTF. US Army Vietnam, 9th ID, 25th ID, 1st Cav. Also 5 SFG. What SOB said I was not a verified Vet. Come see me and I’ll shove my DD 214 up your ass!!!!

Response by CPT Toby Chaffin made Jul 25 at 2018 7:29 PM

2018-07-25T19:29:10-04:00

See above MF!

Response by SPC William Eastridge made Jul 25 at 2018 7:42 PM

2018-07-25T19:42:51-04:00

I care and on some occasions it hurts when i see one but like alot of other cets i wont confront but i have 2 reasons one what if hes legit and two i have five kids and multiple deployments ive already been gone long enough to know i dont want to lose anymore time with them then i already have

Response by PO3 Scott Schuler made Jul 25 at 2018 9:06 PM

2018-07-25T21:06:54-04:00

Ditto to the above. I don't have a cac card. Never saw one before, but a lot of younger vets think their reality is the only reality. News flash, we didn't have pcs on the nimitz the first time I went to sea, didn't know what a network was until they updated NAS North Island AIMD CMIS with a couple new systems in 95... the year I left the navy. I had a green id card and when I left I had a dd214 (in the mail) and a sea bag.

Response by COL William Keegan made Jul 25 at 2018 9:09 PM

2018-07-25T21:09:21-04:00

Some are cheats. Others are psychiatric cases with such low self esteem that their fragile sense of self-worth is bolstered by the facade.

Response by SPC Michael Terek made Jul 25 at 2018 9:25 PM

2018-07-25T21:25:03-04:00

A little off topic, but, this discussion has me thinking about how proud i am to be a veteran. The common thread in this discussion seems to be that none of us likes anyone who "poses" as a veteran, but, if they aren't trying to gain personally from it, then its not worth our time to call it out publicly. (Especially if we might be wrong about our accusations)

Here is a topic that most civilians would probably consider to be an understandable "triggerable" offense to those who served. Yet..... here we are having a calm and rational discussion on a topic that vitually none of us agree with.

This country is in desperate need of more conversations as civil as this one over inflamotory topics, such as this.

Response by SP6 Jeff Ralston made Jul 25 at 2018 9:58 PM

2018-07-25T21:58:15-04:00

These people are sad shells of human beings, unless they are fraudulently claiming benefits confronting them serves no purpose. I served a total of 17 years and three deployments yet i carry no proof of my veteran status it is better to just mind your own business except when there is fraud involved

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made Jul 25 at 2018 10:04 PM

2018-07-25T22:04:34-04:00

I would say this. Of all the stolen valor cases when have they stole actual benefits that Veterans need?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 10:22 PM

2018-07-25T22:22:41-04:00

You’re not begging for money.

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jul 25 at 2018 10:38 PM

2018-07-25T22:38:53-04:00

I don't really care about these people that's their right to say this the people that really piss me off is these people that misrepresent them selves and basically disgrace the service I was and still am very proud of the army and all the branch's my lineage goes back to the civil war both sides and God help the person who trys to intaragate me

Response by PO1 Donald Black made Jul 25 at 2018 10:55 PM

2018-07-25T22:55:09-04:00

Anybody can buy most awards. There are some that they can't get.

Response by PO1 Barbara Matthews made Jul 25 at 2018 10:58 PM

2018-07-25T22:58:16-04:00

I have only met one person who was pretending to be in the "101st Army National Guard" he started that he went to "Boot Camp in Great Lakes, Indiana" he was trying to score with me in a club. This was outside a military base. When I showed him my military ID he got up and left. I got a good laugh about it. He was only trying to impress women.

I was also glad that I looked girly enough that he didn't know I was in the Navy myself. I never really called him out I listened to him for as long as I could take it. His sorry was inaccurate and full of BS.

It's not that I don't care but if someone is determined to try to act like a vet then it is in them. It's not my place to be the Stolen Valor Police. I'm not about to approach a stranger and provoke him or her. I maybe crazy but in certainly not a fool. You just don't know how someone will react.

I don't care if random people believe I'm a veteran it not as long as it doesn't affect my benefits. I have nothing to prove. I know who and what I am and I sleep well at night.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 11:01 PM

2018-07-25T23:01:04-04:00

Really and truly I don’t really care. I served my time and I’m still serving my time in the US Prison Reserves I mean navy reserves. I’ll just give a slight nod to those guys who are wearing it. Now if you want to and I’ve had this happen tell me you were in then CF your own story, I’ll just say cut the crap, you weren’t in or you would know. I had a guy who claimed he was navy at work call me PO1 when I wore my FR coveralls that still had my rank on them and said nope not that high there Tom Dickin Harry, which he then proceeded to tell me how the pay grades work for the Navy albeit completely wrong and then tell me he was a CT3 in the Seabees as a construction technician 3rd class with 3 chevrons... I called him out face to face and politely asked him to step aside or I will assist you aside and don’t try to claim something you’re not. He wound up getting fired for lying saying he was a vet anyway so.

Response by SGT M. Andrew Velez made Jul 25 at 2018 11:37 PM

2018-07-25T23:37:11-04:00

It’s a tough call for me. Of course these stolen valor guys frustrate me. But here’s a real scenario. My dad’s a 72 year old, Vietnam Vet. 1st Infantry Divison, 28th Infantry 68’-69’. Lived through the Tet Offensive amongst other things. Came home with a bronze star and a Purple Heart. He’s the old guy you see walking around with his Vietnam Vet hat at the mall. HOWEVER, he’s got Alzheimer’s now, and he’s easily confused. He gets dates and times and days mixed up now. He can’t help it. But he loves his ‘Nam hats and he’s proud of his service. If someone approached him, they might get a strange random story out of him, or they could get his real history. It’s hot or miss if you didn’t know him you COULD think he’s faking. And he’s a little old man, I would be furious if someone were to accost him and berate him. So just a thought, or word of caution or I don’t know, a word to perhaps exercise some restraint out there. Posting a picture, my dad’s on the right.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2018 11:37 PM

2018-07-25T23:37:31-04:00

You can clearly tell when they go overboard with the army marine airforce and navy medals all in one. Or a mixmatch of random medals i just wouldn't pay them any mind but ill tell you it would irk me underneath.

Response by SPC Andrew Babcock made Jul 25 at 2018 11:47 PM

2018-07-25T23:47:10-04:00

Because we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That is what we were taught throughout our time in the military. It shouldn't stop when we transition out. Just because the enemy acts a certain way or commits certain atrocities, doesn't mean we should.

Response by HN Kurt Hines made Jul 26 at 2018 12:15 AM

2018-07-26T00:15:59-04:00

I went home on leave during the first year of my enlistment in the Navy. I was pretty miserable and pretty sure I had made a mistake. I was outside of a nightclub when this guy with long hair shows up in dress white jumpers. Someone asks him his rank. He said, and I quote: "I'm a first class chief petty officer."

I broke his nose.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 12:34 AM

2018-07-26T00:34:38-04:00

I say mind people need to mind their own business, and leave people alone. People are going to find themselves in alot of trouble messing with the wrong private citizen.

Response by HN Charles H. made Jul 26 at 2018 1:38 AM

2018-07-26T01:38:16-04:00

If you can't believe my VA ID, here's my old military ID. Or my Geneva Convention Red Cross ID.
And no, I'm not calling out someone out without proof.
I know one guy who lied to multiple people, telling us "he went to BUDS" and was found out, after a long investigation, had never been in the military at all. He used a forged DD-214.
Point is, until proven by a court of law, lie all you want too... The truth will catch up with you.

Response by CMSgt Donald Felch made Jul 26 at 2018 5:45 AM

2018-07-26T05:45:20-04:00

Four words: they steal nothing from me.

Response by SFC Walter Cook made Jul 26 at 2018 6:37 AM

2018-07-26T06:37:55-04:00

Its their reality and only their.

Response by MSgt Thomas Welch made Jul 26 at 2018 8:18 AM

2018-07-26T08:18:57-04:00

we have people that are too stupid to know what sex they are. and claim to identify with being a turkeybuzzard. so untill the turkeybuzzard get benafits from the VA, it can be what ever it likes even a CPL/LT,COL

Response by Sgt Silvano Wueschner made Jul 26 at 2018 9:09 AM

2018-07-26T09:09:23-04:00

I remember,?while attending U of Iowa, there were some homeless guys who had 214s - all of them photocopies. Turns out they were forged. Somebody had obtained a blank or photocopied an original. They were all braving about “The NAM”. Press them on when and where - their stories fell apart! One Idiot tried to bs us about the Tet offensive, I asked him - in 68, and he said “all of them!” They were mostlybpullingboutvtheir phony papers in bars where impressionable College kids were hanging out in hopes of getting them to buy them a beer or two! Pissed me off to the max! I have a USMC tat and when they spotted that they usually went in another direction.

Response by SFC Frank Quan made Jul 26 at 2018 9:09 AM

2018-07-26T09:09:46-04:00

If you spent anytime at all in the military, you can spot a liar misrepresenting themselves. Call thier bluff, speak your mind and walk away.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 9:17 AM

2018-07-26T09:17:05-04:00

A middle aged guy was staring at my Prius bc of the decals on Monday outside a grocery. He was wearing a boonie hat type thing and a T-shirt that had Special Forces Convention or reunion on it. He asked about my “Guadalcanal” decal and mentioned that I was too young to have been there. He was not really confrontational but seemed to be calling me out on it. I politely told him that the decal is The 1st Marine Division and the one with the big 4 on it is The 4th Marine Division. Then I pointed to the US Navy decal and the caduceus etc and told him that I was a former Hospital Corpsman. He seemed a bit confused but I was able to rattle off my pay entry base date and dates of service etc. in a collegial way so he must have assumed that I had been in.
He was either an army guy unfamiliar with navy ratings and USMC Divisions or he was a poser hoping to confront ME for being a poser. It was a bit of a strange exchange.
I commute a lot so I bought a hybrid when gas was 4.50 a gallon. I noticed people cutting me off or fuggin with me in ways that don’t happen in my truck or van. I put some cool decals on it to demonstrate that I was not a granola crunching douche driving around thinking about democrats and unicorns. (pirate flag, dive shop stuff, NRA decal and my old military units.)
I still think the guy was gonna confront me more about Guadalcanal.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 9:46 AM

2018-07-26T09:46:05-04:00

I care a great deal, but I keep that to myself most of the time. As much as I find it distasteful, it's also the right of every American to be a <expletive replaced> jackwang. It isn't my place to accost someone on the street for wearing a silver star tie pin or even a fully un-googled uniform (seriously, if you're gonna do it, at least Google the uniform and make it look right)
Now, if we're talking stories and yours is BS, I'll call you on it 100%, but that's about as far as I go.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-07-26T09:49:28-04:00

When I see fellow Veterans wearing their awards and decorations I take it at face value. That having been said most the ones I’ve seen being chastised are the ones who are wearing the uniform with awards and declarations in the wrong spot on uniforms. That I believe is where the real problems lie. Anyone who has served and wearing uniform knows how to properly wear their awards and decorations

Response by CPL Marc Bailey made Jul 26 at 2018 11:32 AM

2018-07-26T11:32:49-04:00

It doesn't bother me. Most are mentally ill and actually believe what they say. I ignore the younger generation if they question my FT Bragg Alumni shirt. If you don't know it means 11 Bang Bang I can't have a conversation. Only because only 11B would wear the shirt. I'm an old black booter BDU guy, I don't have time to defend myself to some young asshat. More enjoyable having a cold one and playing cards at the VFW.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 11:54 AM

2018-07-26T11:54:54-04:00

Another thing is I know w people that wear Military badges and shirts or hats etc. The ones I know who wear them do it to call respect to myself and others they are not out their trying to fake the funk. Its not our place to judge. If the person happens to be pan handling or looking for a freebie ask a few questions and move on no sense in making a scene keep in mind there are a lot of veterans out there that can barely remember their own name let alone what units they have been in. Yes it’s always fishy when the person isn’t totally accurate but again don’t judge

Response by PFC Jason Wilson made Jul 26 at 2018 12:04 PM

2018-07-26T12:04:18-04:00

I only wish one of you fuckers want to check me please come find me and grill my ass I welcome any of you

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 12:59 PM

2018-07-26T12:59:04-04:00

I had a young national guardsmen approach me in a gas station trying to pull this crap. I was on recruiting duty at the time. He was very rude and obnoxious. The look on his face when he realized he made a mistake was worth it though. But to be honest I have enough to worry about without getting worked up that someone’s is wearing something they shouldn’t be.

Response by LTC W S made Jul 26 at 2018 1:08 PM

2018-07-26T13:08:35-04:00

I’m more concerned about self appointed “guardians of valor” hassling elderly vets because of a perceived uniform violation. If you think a faker is getting benefits and preferential treatment, then turn them in and be prepared to back it up. Other than that, mind your own business

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 1:11 PM

2018-07-26T13:11:01-04:00

With respect, your question contains at least a part of the answer. I don't know veterans who "don't care" about SV...that includes myself...but I do know many that are growing weary of seeing YouTube videos of aggressive, young, unprofessional, obviously "alpha" type males "hunting" down people who are in most cases, so obviously phony...it's hard to imagine any of "them" are getting VA benefits out of the deal. This is particularly apparent when once considers how difficult it is for REAL veterans to get the benefits they are duly owed. I just can't accept that putting on a uniform and making up a story is enough to get a check these days.

The guy in your photo for example...isn't trying to fool anyone...he's just making a fool of himself potentially.

There ARE people who "professionally" expose frauds...their methods seem to be sound, their approach rational, their goal clear-to prevent financial gain through fraud. If some middle-aged guy is selling his "combat skills" as a former "Navy SEAL" as an instructor...and real SEALs expose him; I'm standing and clapping. If some bored barracks rats decide to pick on the fat guy in ACUs trying to get a free meal at the Sizzler...I find that whole scene in very bad taste.

Within in our own ranks...I think the Military has always done a good job of self-policing; at least I know it did when I was in. If a young service member decides to "award" themselves a Ranger tab before going home on leave...I'm pretty sure that's going to come out real quickly, and with some interesting results-results that hopefully compel that individual to continue on an earn it for real; not spend the rest of their life in shame for one instance of stupidity.

The negative side-effect of the "witch hunt" is that it forces actual veterans into potentially degrading/dangerous situations. If a wanna-be Stolen Valor commando thinks Gramp's story about being at Khe Sanh is crap because he's wearing the medals on his blazer in the wrong order...the older gentleman who hasn't served since Nixon shouldn't have to carry around his DD-214 like an ID card to back up his honor. Getting closer to home, I don't like the idea that some guy half my age, backed up by three of his buddies might someday question me....If they have a legitimate concern, there's a respectful way to ask for the verification they desire, and an appropriate time for them to decide one need not carry their entire service record around in binder just to avoid a fight.

Beyond that, no veteran I know wants to see our traditions, heritage and honor misused, let alone used as a catalyst for criminal fraud. Still, I'm not going to "loose it" if I catch a high school kid rocking a DCU blouse with gold oak leaves on it...I know another kid from long ago who liked to sport surplus in his wardrobe...and ended up earning it for real eventually.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Jul 26 at 2018 1:38 PM

2018-07-26T13:38:59-04:00

I think much of this depends on who's doing the posing, and why.I remember the old guy in Florida who was wearing the Medal of Honor at parades because it made him- a genuine WW II vet feel important. (sigh).He got fined, got community service hours and told "Don't do it again!" More pathetic than bad. On the other hand a few years back. There was some a@@hole connected to the Houston Mayor's circle passing himself off as a Brigadier General and wearing every medal from the DSC ON DOWN!! An FBI agent former Marine called him on it. A world class POS and douchebag. He was really an E-2(!!!) in the Texas ARNG. Using it for jollies and in Hope's of promoting himself. A jerk. We've all seen guys stretch the truth-maybe we did, but both of these were excessive.

Response by SP5 Ed Collins made Jul 26 at 2018 1:42 PM

2018-07-26T13:42:45-04:00

it pisses me off when someone claims they earned it , when you know they didnt

Response by CW3 Raymond Mead made Jul 26 at 2018 2:21 PM

2018-07-26T14:21:23-04:00

I'm 73 and was originally drafted for Viet Nam in 65. There are still a lot of us who remember how we were treated when we came home. And now we havr a bunch of fuzzy cheeked "heroes" starting this shit all over again. I saw one You Tube flick where some young person (I won't say vet or soldier because we don't act like that) was getting in a guy's face because he claimed to be a homeless vet. The kid is harping on how HE's being disrespected. He challenged the old guy becuse he mentioned being with the 5th Group at Ft Bragg and his MOS and job description weren't the same as the kid knew them. The Army has changed since many of us gray beards served. So have MOSs and job titles. And God knows after 40 most of us remember things differently, especially if we gappen to be living on the street. or "outside" as a lot of homeless vets call it. The kid yelled after him that if he had really been a Green Beret he would gave had his life together, or words to that effect. Well surprise, surprise; most of us are only one tragic situation from being in that same situation. As for disrespect, how about showing some compassion for the other folks? Until you've humped a ruck in the other guys boots you have no idea what he's been through. As for real posers, aside from being so fake that they are actually amusing, they have to have serious mental issues to want to pretend to have been in the military. But to all of you young troops who seem to think you're on a mission from God to.expose any of us old vets for stealing valor, if that is your definition of valor you might want to look again. In the meantime most of the old guys have been through enough shit to last a lifetime and they don't need any of yours

Response by SSgt Kevin Riggins made Jul 26 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-07-26T14:38:59-04:00

As I understand it, stolen valor is really about wearing decorations you didn't earn, which is punishable under federal law. The asshats that wear ranger tabs with PJ flash and seal pins , correct me if I'm wrong, are not breaking federal law. That being said, the people doing this crap should be called on it. We just can't get overzealous and go ape on everyone with decs we dont recognize or look like they dont be long but actually do Its a fine line sometimes.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 2:51 PM

2018-07-26T14:51:46-04:00

This is the first thread on here that's motivated me to actually post. I know what I did when I was in and I'm proud of it and that's good enough. The only reasons I could see caring about stolen valor is, you joined for the purpose of gaining valor, you live off that part valor and do not have anything else to your name, or you are insecure with what you have done and feel like your service is worth less due to these people. I may be wrong but if your service was truly selfless for your country there is nothing "Stollen Valor" can do to harm that.

Response by PO3 Jeff Nelson made Jul 26 at 2018 3:06 PM

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I used to let this bother me but not so much anymore. I’m more bothered by the people being belligerent and calling out these people in public. You’d better be 100% certain that the person you’re going to humiliate is in fact in the wrong. Not that anyone should be publicly humiliated in the first place. For a while there, it almost seemed like a witch hunt. Wanting to be like Don Shipley, who goes about it the right way.

Also, If you’re going to demand proof from someone whether or not they’re a vet, better ask everyone at a sporting event that stands to be recognized.

I personally would rather burn calories doing something else than calling out someone who is “stealing valor.” Always remember that you don’t know what that person maybe going through by wearing a uniform that they may or may not be authorized to wear.

Response by CPO Raymond Kurtz made Jul 26 at 2018 3:08 PM

2018-07-26T15:08:57-04:00

I don't condone.those that demand proof of service. We need to concentrate on those that are obviously imposters. Such as wearing a CIB on a Marine uniform. This is just proof that imposters make us all look bad.

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jul 26 at 2018 3:15 PM

2018-07-26T15:15:36-04:00

The only time I am bothered is when someone is collecting money through their act. Fraud is far different than someone who has a psychological problem and fakes their service to feel better about themselves

Response by PO2 Gary Maddox made Jul 26 at 2018 4:30 PM

2018-07-26T16:30:00-04:00

I am a 100%. Disabled veteran and I’ve been offered a fended by anybody coming up to me and accusing me of not serving this military after 20 years in service I swear an oath not once been many times to just county from foreign and domestic enemies and I don’t need any asshole come up to me and giving me any shit so that be said I Support everybody’s right to be stupid

Response by SSG Earl Corp made Jul 26 at 2018 6:24 PM

2018-07-26T18:24:11-04:00

I don’t go out of my way to root out stolen valor. I will strike up conversations with somebody wearing veteran gear. My wife thinks it’s hila whenever another vet and I size each other up before initiating conversation. Usually I’ll as what their MOS was an when and where they were stationed. If they can’t answer simple questions I break contact and move out. The only one I ever busted out was a 22 year old in 1995 who claimed to be an Air Force special operator who had parachuted into North Vietnam in lieu of going to Desert Storm.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-07-26T19:26:10-04:00

I would respectful walk away. But if he or she insist, then somebody call Police.

Response by SGT John Griep made Jul 26 at 2018 8:53 PM

2018-07-26T20:53:21-04:00

I have a develop my challenged neighbor who lives with his mom. His father was a Vet. Every Memorial day 4th of July, and any other Military Holiday, he puts on his dad's uniform and he waits for me to come outside so he can give me a salute. I salute him every time, and I even inspect his father's uniform to make sure e everything is squared away, then he goes with his mom to the cemetery to pay his respects to his father, his hero. I do not nor have i ever considered it stolen Valor, it is a man who loved his father and wants to remember him. Every time I see a guy on the corner with a sign saying he is a homeless Vet I give them a couple dollars, it is too hard for many Vets, and we make up a large percentage of Homeless I. This country, because we have been let down by the VA, and find itvhars to get back into society. I am not going to ask every guy qit a aign to show me his VA card or his DD214, i give thwm a xouple bucks and ask if they need anythig else that i can give them. To.me Stolen Valor is a person tgatvhad some made up story that he use a to get him something he could never get without that lie. That from my understanding is what the law is. It is not my job to roll around my city and police everyone that says he is a Vet. Besides I have talked to some of these 20 year olds that were in the service that lie about what they did when they were in, cause no one was a truck driver or a cook every one is Special Ops. That is just as bad in my eyes, you know who you are.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Jul 26 at 2018 9:04 PM

2018-07-26T21:04:23-04:00

That dude looks ridiculous!! I would be embarrassed to be seen on the same side of street!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2018 9:12 PM

2018-07-26T21:12:19-04:00

I agree that it is disrespectful, and down right ridiculous, LTC Michael M. said if someone walked up to me and asked me for proof of my service just be abuse they have a big head, I'd would lose my cool as calmly as possible...of that makes sense. I would never question someone's service unless it's for sure a fake. I saw a thread recently of a man that looked to be in his 60s, and was being berated by 2 guys that looked to be around 18(lower ranking enlisted) and the man said "I don't have to show you proof." I wasn't mad at the older man, I was enregaed at the soldiers though for wrongfully accusing and humiliating a man that could possibly have been a man more deserving of the recognition than them. Just my 2 cents and ain't worth much, but it's how I feel.

Response by MSgt Waylon Holan made Jul 26 at 2018 9:29 PM

2018-07-26T21:29:55-04:00

The law says we can not impersonate law enforcement officers (LEOs) just as it also illegal to impersonate a service member or veteran of our armed forces. Yet when it comes time to prosecute each of them the one that impersonated the LEO gets prosecuted but the one taking unearned credit for defending our country walks away with an undeserved "free lunch". All the while we have service members out there that have signed a blank check payable with there life. Not trying to down play LEOs, you guys and gals work hard at a job not just anyone can do and I'm thankful you're out there day and nite and you are getting your justice when you are wronged. When do we get our justice.

Response by SSG Charles Lovelace made Jul 26 at 2018 9:35 PM

2018-07-26T21:35:05-04:00

This is an issue that gets beaten to death daily. You are going to at some point in your life see someone who is obviously a poser, look laugh and then use it as a teachable moment for your kids. The medals, badges and tabs are all cool but those who wear the highest honors usually speak the least about it. I own a gunship now that I am out and I am amazed at how many people were SF, Ranger, Sniper, PJ, Spec Ops etc qualified that walk in the door. When they ask about what I did and I tell them I was a Supply NCO they seem shocked that I wasn't secret squirrel qualified like ALLL their buddies are. I just smile and say nope I had a boring old supply job and spent 18 years taking care of my Soldiers. I'm good with that let the posers pose and be satisfied knowing you made your difference.

Response by SSG Kenny Blalock made Jul 26 at 2018 10:07 PM

2018-07-26T22:07:46-04:00

I would be much more p.o.ed at someone harassing a true vet than I would at someone who never served but wore bloused jump boots and a CIB he bought at Ranger Joes.

Response by PFC Joe White made Jul 26 at 2018 10:33 PM

2018-07-26T22:33:10-04:00

Those of us who’ve earned the ribbons never did it for the recognition. Let em have their delusions of grandeur #brothers

Response by MSG Patrick Guillet made Jul 27 at 2018 1:36 AM

2018-07-27T01:36:02-04:00

I wear what I earned, I don't need to prove it anybody. Fakes are everywhere, mostly if there award are over rated then should be questioned

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Jul 27 at 2018 8:51 AM

2018-07-27T08:51:39-04:00

Stolen valor, yes it is sad. However, I think something should be done about the people that complain about just because I served, I don’t deserve special treatment. About two years ago, I was taking my youngest son to the movies, a lady approached me and started going off about , and I quote, “ what make a murderous bastard think he deserves a discount for all of the sh@t you’ve done!” I pushed my son behind me and told her , “ you have two seconds to get the f@ck out of my face!” There was a deputy from the county standing there. She looked at him, but he told her, “ sorry , I was in the Corps. “

Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Jul 27 at 2018 10:39 AM

2018-07-27T10:39:47-04:00

This photo is not stolen valor. This a Generalissimo of Cadets at a military prep school.

Response by CPT Tim Iund made Jul 27 at 2018 11:08 AM

2018-07-27T11:08:28-04:00

I have mixed feelings over the wear of unearned medals or awards. If a person is wearing unit insignia or a ridiculous number of awards to decorate his clothing, I’m ok with it. If he is trying to impress, propagate a false narrative of his military experience or to obtain commercial benefit due or offered to a vet. Then I say he should be called on it without a public display. Usually in talking to an individual and listening to his story will uncover inconsistencies. However, I have strong negative feelings for those who wear distinctive insignia of SOF units as these qualifications were hard earned and dangerous to maintain, and thus deserve our utmost respect, as do awards for valor. But to accost and berate a stranger without getting the full story is inappropriate.

Response by SFC Mark Hodges made Jul 27 at 2018 12:05 PM

2018-07-27T12:05:34-04:00

They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery but if fakers are getting vet benefits they didn’t earn then it’s wrong and denegrates those benefits and honor that true vets earned.

Response by PO2 Brian King made Jul 27 at 2018 2:21 PM

2018-07-27T14:21:37-04:00

I have enough shit to sweep off of my own doorstep. I don’t have the time or energy to commit to making sure every person I see in militraybrelated stuff is an actual veteran, not would I want to be the prick who does it to an actual veteran. People in general need to spend a whole lot more time cleaning up their own messes — and, if one is honest, there are plenty of those — than worrying about what others are doing.

I also agree fully with the comment above about believing in the Constitution. When I was a kid, I was walking back onto the base in Great Lakes, IL with my dad, who was in dress uniform. There was a protest about nuclear weapons going on right outside the gate (this was the early 1980s). A woman spit in his face and called him a baby killer. My dad calmly wiped the spit from his face with a handkerchief and said, “Ma’am, it’s men like me who give you the freedom to say that to me. Good day.” You just can’t pick and choose what rights you’re defending. We defend EVERYONE’s rights, not just those with whom we agree.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2018 3:15 PM

2018-07-27T15:15:02-04:00

If this culture of “prove your service” is difficult for you as a male, imagine how females feel.

Response by SFC Bobby Vann made Jul 27 at 2018 3:47 PM

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I care. Lost some brothers that earned those medals and to see these idiots wear them so they flourish in the limelight of the fallen heroes, makes me MAD AS FUCK!!!! A veteran has this personance about them that only veterans can see. It only takes a question or two or a crazy story to identify a fake.

Response by 1SG Melvin Vanlandingham made Jul 27 at 2018 4:42 PM

2018-07-27T16:42:06-04:00

I agree with the LTC!!!

Response by CPL Geoff Hathaway made Jul 27 at 2018 5:01 PM

2018-07-27T17:01:52-04:00

I won't wear any awards I didn't earn !!!! I will only ? Somebody's claim about service if I see something wrong or out of place with what their wearing !!!! I can not stand anyone that fakes military service and pretends to be something their not !!!! Wether it's for personal gain or Just attention KARMA will get them in the end !!!!

Response by SSG Shawn Ireland made Jul 27 at 2018 5:03 PM

2018-07-27T17:03:23-04:00

Stolen Valor is something that is terribly wrong and misleading to others who look on and try to figure out what the person is trying to say! I know as do many other veterans that while active and usually at ones first duty station or their first visit to the PX while in either Basic or AIT, some new recruits will see all the shiny medals and badges and decide they would look real good on their uniform and will be favored in some way for the vast experience that they have had while in service, though they have none. We referred to them as PX Warriors! Not to funny when in formation for inspection and Joe Private is decked out with a CIB, Soldiers Medal, Silver Star, and of course a nice set of Birds for your collar! One would think it unbelievably funny, but far from it. The entire company pays for this childish stunt. To me I consider it a slap in the face to every person who ever wore the uniform of any branch and even a greater sign of disrespect to those who fought and died in order to earn the right to wear a medal, badge or rank! Most veterans have some shirt or jacket with their patches and medals or ribbon rack and qualifications badges. This I have no problem with. I myself have made a M65 Field Jacket into a thanks to all branches of the military. I put only the patches and items I earned while serving. I wanted to show a special thanks to those who fought and have passed away. I looked through the web and found a Eighth CIB Patch. Though no one has ever earned this, it is the highest CIB there is. So as not to be caught up in the Stolen Valor, I decided to put a Black morning strip on it, The eighth CIB is gold and has three gold stars. The gold represents the fifth award and then each star represents another war. To date the highest CIB Award is three. I have read much but haven’t been able to understand why it goes to eight, it’s hard to wrap my head around. So I ensured not to make myself look like some super hero but to ensure I was able to cover as much as possible without it looking like North Korea’s Generals, with so many decorations that they have to pin them on their pant legs as there jackets don’t have room for dust to land on! Be proud of yourself and do your job to the best of your abilities and you will go far and if you stay in till retirement you will be pleased with your service and how your uniform represents that of which you did while you served. Kids want to play and wear patches, I’m fine with that. It’s those who are stealing from those of us who have served honorably and those who are still serving. The other side of this is most who do this don’t understand what they can put on that isn’t a red flag! Most give themselves away by wearing most anything they can find our go for the high rank and top medals as a new recruit. I don’t know about you but it is more than obvious. It’s just plain disrespectful to put it into simple terms.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2018 6:05 PM

2018-07-27T18:05:19-04:00

From my point of view, worn stolen valor and civilians wearing camo anything to support the troops, are the exact same thing to me: people that wish they served but for some reason didn't. Now, if someone opens their mouth about things their "service" when they didn't serve, or makes it clear that their intention is to make money from a uniform they didn't earn, I'll gladly call them on it.

Response by PO1 Jim Tullis made Jul 27 at 2018 6:21 PM

2018-07-27T18:21:29-04:00

Honestly I don’t care about the ones who are pretending to be something they obviously aren’t. Those of us who served can see through the BS. The people who never served, well if they get fooled so be it.

Response by CPL Robert Headrick made Jul 27 at 2018 6:40 PM

2018-07-27T18:40:24-04:00

My question is, what is "stolen valor"? Is someone upset because someone else is ballsy enough to step up and attract attention toward themselves and you are not? It use to bother me about these people dressing up and getting the attention that I thought I should get. Then I realized a true soldier/veteran does/did what they do because it was the right thing at the time to serve your country and not for the pats on the back or attention.
We were recently on a cruise ship in the Caribbean and there was a guy that claimed to be a survivor of Pearl Harbor. He met the age requirement but no one was able to contest whether or not he served and where. His family worked it more than he did.
I quietly go about my days and most that know me could not tell anyone if I served or not. In Texas you can have "VETERAN" put on for driver's license just by showing the DPS your DD-214.
FYI I served for almost 9 years in Germany, Ft. Campbell, and Ft. Hood. I also served in Desert Storm.

Response by MAJ William Roberts made Jul 27 at 2018 6:47 PM

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I have not called anyone out on these publicly but if questions arise in conversations or irregularities in wearing of a uniform (multiple service awards and medals or devices that don't match..Navy Air Assault or Army Seal Team member) I will call them aside and talk privately to them about it. If they arw receiving compensation or benefits and haven't earned them, the VA should be notified. Radical approaches aren't necessary but we should not tolerate theft of any kind be it honor or the benefits that rightfully belong in the hands of our true veterans. Be respectful but ask the questions...I have been asked many times and have had no problem talking about my service. Why is an Army officer wearing a Marine Corp good conduct medal and an air force award too...yeah hes faking it. I actually get told that a lot. Prior enlisted Marine, served at an Air Force Joint assignment and received AFOEA received NCO leadership training PLDC and NCO Academy before going to OCS so I wear that too....boy that ticked off a Sgt or two when I was a LT. Anyway don't jump to conclusions there are some strange stories out there. My 28 year career included 3 combat tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan so I am legit even if my uniform awards look stupid to you. Talk to them first and be respectful.

Response by MSgt Roger Brushaber II made Jul 27 at 2018 8:13 PM

2018-07-27T20:13:00-04:00

Just tired of people acting like it is one big reality show...just chill and keep trucking on

Response by SN Mike Smith made Jul 27 at 2018 8:57 PM

2018-07-27T20:57:15-04:00

Frauds piss me off, but I ain't out to check IDs. We who served know what we did and are proud of it

Response by 1SG Francis Gorman made Jul 27 at 2018 9:06 PM

2018-07-27T21:06:24-04:00

That is a problem that needs to be corrected and enforced.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2018 9:20 PM

2018-07-27T21:20:37-04:00

If someone needs to fake the funk to feel better so be it. However, if they are faking it receiving government benefits through false claims that's fraudulent and should be criminally punished. But free country and 1st amendment and all if you feel you need to be a posser to feel good about yourself have at it. Seen more vets make fools of themselves trying to call out another vet that it really hurts the community as a whole.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jul 28 at 2018 3:02 AM

2018-07-28T03:02:15-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner in principle I know I should just Ignore them. But there are some days when the young jerk off comes up and says prove you are a Veteran, I have no problem with that missing an eye, then I ask what was their Purple Bleeder was for. With any luck I can get the jerk to lay a punch on me. Its all over quickly at that point the scum is on the deck and when law enforce arrives here in California tell the arresting officer you are a senior. The punk get an extra 6 months for assault on a Senior Citizen and the judge can't suspend it. The Ass Hole will go to jail. Some California laws are OK.

Response by SFC Dan Abbitt made Jul 28 at 2018 8:03 AM

2018-07-28T08:03:56-04:00

Hollywood has made billions off stolen valor. John Wayne never served. Sylvester Stallone never served.

Response by Cpl Robert Haeusler made Jul 28 at 2018 8:11 AM

2018-07-28T08:11:28-04:00

While walking into the grocery store a man looks at my rear window with Iraq service and Marine corps stickers and sees a small sticker that says veterans against trump. He starts yelling in the parking lot at me that I'm a fake vet that I'm stolen valor. Every real vet would be fully behind trump. He's demanding to know when I served, where are my papers. I was 8152 security forces and 0351 antiarmor. Deployed to centcom Horn of Africa, Afghanistan, and Iraq but this knuckleputz wants to yell and scream stolen valor because I supported John Kasich and think Trump is devastating to American ideals. It's this behavior that makes me not give a shit about stolen valor or the "warriors" who feel the need to call them out.

Response by SrA Ryan Balser made Jul 28 at 2018 8:31 AM

2018-07-28T08:31:09-04:00

I have only run into one case of stolen valor, and my first reaction was not to grab my phone and "make him famous." That is a generational thing that I don't understand. The guy I met wasn't hurting anyone, he wasn't receiving any benefits, he was just walking. It is not my business or my place to get confrontational in public with this guy. If he starts to break the law, let the law handle it. Otherwise just keep on with your day.

Response by Cpl Marla Sly Doran made Jul 28 at 2018 8:34 AM

2018-07-28T08:34:55-04:00

It’s usually easy to spot a fake, when they don’t know what MOS is or when a Marine who is a woman tells me she graduated boot camp for San Diego.

Response by PO2 Tommy Hale made Jul 28 at 2018 8:35 AM

2018-07-28T08:35:46-04:00

I come across these jokers all the the time. Asking a few questions and pointing out inconsistencies is a pretty effective deterrent.

Most if these people have been doing for so long that they have begun to believe their own bullshit. It is really pretty comical. They always claim to be a CIA trained space ninja to have worked in a super double secret Spec Ops group. Nobody ever lies about being an clerk or mechanic.

That having been said, the YouTube warriors need to chill out.

Response by Pvt Scott Justice made Jul 28 at 2018 9:47 AM

2018-07-28T09:47:26-04:00

I am not the "Protector of the Valor Flame ",and neither is anyone else . I was raised to be respectful and polite . I talk to them as I want to be talked to ...after a couple of minutes it becomes obvious whether they served or not . I have heard some good stories from these folks , but if it's total b.s. I just say "see ya later " and walk away . They know it's bull crap , and now you know too .

Response by SSgt Catherine Cullen made Jul 28 at 2018 10:09 AM

2018-07-28T10:09:51-04:00

I would ignore them unless they were using it for profit

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 28 at 2018 10:59 AM

2018-07-28T10:59:57-04:00

I don't care about most because it seems to me that most people don't know what constitutes stolen valor in the first place.

If they're not actually reaping financial or other material rewards that are due to real veterans, why should I care beyond the nominal eye roll for posers?

Yeah...drop the hammer on those who are illegally taking advantage of government programs intended for vets.

But don't waste your time or energy on the rest.

Response by CPL Pennell Jester made Jul 28 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-07-28T11:29:43-04:00

It's pretty easy to identify a fake as they usually have their Valor out of order or an award not appropriate for their time frame. Your not going to be seeing a twenty or thirty year old with Vietnam Era awards or a 60 year old with a Afghanistan Service award. As far as I'm concerned anyone who has served this country in the Armed Forces deserves to be recognized for their service. I've seen some goofballs in the service who couldn't even spell Valor much less understanding it. Does the slacker who was in the rear with the gear deserve the same awards as his counterparts who were kicking doors just because he was in the same unit deployment? I think the whole stolen Valor thing has gotten out of hand. It started with some arrogant Navy SEAL who was outting people who claimed to be SEALS. Well after seeing in the news that an entire SEAL Team in Norfolk, Virginia tested positive for Cocaine on a random drug screening and hearing about several SEALS being investigated by CID as homicide suspects in the death of a SF soldier after they became suspected of stealing money from funds intended to be distributed to Afghanistan tribal leaders as part of an effort to ensure cooperation. In other words the SEALS were sent to deliver $100,000.00 to a Village Elder in Afghanistan for support efforts but only $20,000 would make it to the Village Elder while SEALS would send home the remainder of the currency. I'm really no longer impressed with the Navy SEALs and the ones I met in Hawaii were so arrogant and cocky it didn't leave much of a feeling of Valor for me. It's easier to just shake your head and think to yourself "What an Idiot" than to confront someone and be an ass about it. If some douche walked up to me me demanding to see a copy of a DD214 after I throat punch them for getting in my face they can walk out to the parking lot and see my vehicle tags called Valor Plates where you have to take your paperwork to the DMV with your service awards and DD214 to get your plates. Some of us are proud to have served and to have taken the Oath of service. I always thank fellow vets for their service rather than challenging their authenticity. We have a new generation of Libtards who have joined Obama's military and created a privileged and entitled Snowflake soldier who has to prove themselves not through their own merits but by challenging others.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2018 12:50 PM

2018-07-28T12:50:38-04:00

This calling out of stolen valour is becoming ridiculous.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2018 1:17 PM

2018-07-28T13:17:05-04:00

In my opinion there is a tremendous difference between calling out someone for wearing a service related ball cap, T-shirt or uniform item (that may have been a gift from a friend or relative) and someone that is intentionally wearing the uniform, unearned awards or badges to misrepresent their service for personal gain. Especially the glaringly obvious mistake of wearing cross-service badges, awards, etc. That being said, with the formation of the Space Force, I should be able to start wearing my Expert qualification badge as door-gunner on the Space Shuttle...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2018 1:59 PM

2018-07-28T13:59:42-04:00

I usually don't say anything, because they might have done something competely different what I did or know, but I do watch people how they act toward others and how they act themselves. You usually can tell but you never know.

Response by PO1 James Davenport made Jul 28 at 2018 3:19 PM

2018-07-28T15:19:00-04:00

I just laugh at the losers wearing uniforms with obviously ridiculous amounts of medals and ribbons. The ones that piss me off is the ones who fake documents and use them to get benefits like medical care, job preference, and benefits meant for veterans.

Response by SGT Brandon Kinney made Jul 28 at 2018 4:19 PM

2018-07-28T16:19:00-04:00

The problem is.......the culture today doesn't care if they are actually using it for any type of gain. They just want to be the next YouTube sensation. "Csm I accosted an ol man cause he was wearing a CIB and I didnt think that was right" o promote immediately...........said no one ever......we got bigger shit to deal with.

Response by PO2 Mark Leahy made Jul 28 at 2018 4:34 PM

2018-07-28T16:34:45-04:00

My biggest beef is with the ones who got booted out either BED or making up some bullshit to get kicked out, but then want the parade of thank you's. Personally, I don't wear or display anything that speaks of my service out in public. My time was over almost 20 years ago.

Response by PV2 Alonzo Symalla made Jul 28 at 2018 5:32 PM

2018-07-28T17:32:43-04:00

The charge of stolen valor on someone who is wearing military surplus is getting to be a problem. These "protectors" of military service would have went into convulsions on my college campus a few decades ago. Heck, still lots of people buying camo surplus clothes for hunting attire. Know what stolen valor is before making your little ambush video!!

Response by LtCol Stan Hendrickson made Jul 28 at 2018 5:38 PM

2018-07-28T17:38:58-04:00

Let the law take its course with the phonies

Response by SGT Dolly Daggar made Jul 28 at 2018 5:48 PM

2018-07-28T17:48:37-04:00

If you talk to someone for longer than three minutes you can tell if they are full of it or not. Stories and experiences are more valuable than metals or rank. I don't have jack to show for valor other than the respect of my brothers. Let them keep that stolen valor BS. Only uneducated, half witted idiots fall for it.

Response by Sgt Thomas Benner made Jul 28 at 2018 6:26 PM

2018-07-28T18:26:45-04:00

I've seen officially awarded Bronz Stars V and Purple Harts that should never have been awarded. If I have to recognize those officially phony awards why should I get upset at some crony trying to get free drinks with an honestly phony award?

Response by MSG David Jackson made Jul 28 at 2018 7:23 PM

2018-07-28T19:23:23-04:00

It bothers me the most when it's politician claiming stuff they did not really do. Some even served, which is great, however sometimes it comes out that they exaggerate or even lie about thier own service. Just be proud of what you did.

Response by SPC Ron Milburn made Jul 28 at 2018 7:28 PM

2018-07-28T19:28:45-04:00

It has driven me crazy since I was a kid. I come from a military family that has ALWAYS fought an some have died for this country. We have all had to be willing to risk it all for the Medals and Ribbons we have. To see others try to claim Service that they didn't even TRY to join is ridiculous. It should be a criminal offence rather they are or aren't doing it for personal gain. If I put on a uniform and pretend to be a policeman I go to jail so they should as well.

Response by SPC Marius Ziah made Jul 28 at 2018 9:19 PM

2018-07-28T21:19:43-04:00

Personally im more about actual fact. The fact is most of us that served are very subtle about how we repressent that fact. Like most things in life if your apart of something usually you dont try to advertise that you are. Im personally happy i served im cool with no one knowing but me and tbh if you ask me about it and you still think im faking it with no proof than thats that. I really dont have the interest nor the energy to prove myself or disprove anyone else. you wore the uniform you served the country job done. Nothing else needs to be said unless you want to brag lol and thats okay too.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2018 9:55 PM

2018-07-28T21:55:56-04:00

This post is useless. People have the freedom to put whatever buttons or other different shit on their clothing. You should pay more attention to shit that really matter in life.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2018 10:45 PM

2018-07-28T22:45:43-04:00

Don’t care because it’s a free country. You know, like the one vets worship and extolled before they waste their time chasing down these posers.

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Jul 28 at 2018 11:11 PM

2018-07-28T23:11:24-04:00

It has become more prevelant.

Response by SGT Michael Hartman made Jul 29 at 2018 12:13 AM

2018-07-29T00:13:58-04:00

To be honest I never have seen stolen valor in person. Just online. Rest assured though if I do see in person that fool will taste humiliation and maybe the concrete.

Response by SPC Bruce Hudson made Jul 29 at 2018 9:04 AM

2018-07-29T09:04:19-04:00

Let them make a fool of themselves, until they start taking benefits that should go to a real vet in need, there’s no reason to bother them. Imitation is a the greatest form of flattery and if you want to be me then fine, don’t try and take medical benefit or some such that’s actually important to a guy who really did get shot in the leg.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2018 10:11 AM

2018-07-29T10:11:43-04:00

I can't stand when low lives try to pose as service members or veterans, because no matter what you feel about it they are representing us. However, when servicemembers whip out their phones and start a giant scene in public it gives us a worse image than the person stealing valor. It is sad that people would stoop so low as to falsely claim to be war heroes when many of the legitimate heroes never got to leave the battle field, but there isn't much that can be done about it. Unless they break one of the few laws for stolen valor, legally they've done nothing wrong.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2018 10:19 AM

2018-07-29T10:19:25-04:00

I care because I had an uncle trying to reap the benefits and attention when he was nothing more than an abusive drug addicted A hole who was making a scene while his daughter lay in a hospital bed dying of liver failure.. at 26 years of age. He was never in the service, was a toddler during Vietnam.. yet he was trolling about with a veterans ball cap on. Getting sympathy on a a mountain of lies.
Would I call out someone, probably not unless well it’s painfully obvious their uniform or attire screams fake.

Response by SFC Dennis Shibley made Jul 29 at 2018 4:38 PM

2018-07-29T16:38:34-04:00

I support service members and vets it's not for me to question them

Response by Sgt John McGlaughn made Jul 29 at 2018 5:37 PM

2018-07-29T17:37:00-04:00

I'm a Marine veteran and There was a dude on a crotch rocket at a rest stop in Alabama as we were riding back from a biker rally in Georgia, with Marine stickers everywhere and hat patches up and down his sleeves. He may have been 25 and about 50 lbs overweight for being in Recon like he claimed. I just laughed and told him it's a free country but if you wear that shit around Force Recon Marines, they are going to tear you a new asshole. He pretended to be offended and rode off.
Not worth getting upset about imho.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 29 at 2018 7:23 PM

2018-07-29T19:23:35-04:00

Simple answer? Valor cannot be stolen. It is not a person, place or thing. It is intangible. You either have it or don't. No matter how many fakers there are in the world, the world's supply of valor is completely unaffected.

Response by Cpl Frank Doss made Jul 29 at 2018 8:03 PM

2018-07-29T20:03:17-04:00

I have more important things in my life to worry about. Like do I use 3 tbsp or 4 of egg whites in my Eggies?

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Jul 29 at 2018 8:20 PM

2018-07-29T20:20:01-04:00

These types of people are wantabees. They should get our disdain. Not, our energy. We have a lot of enemies to spend energy on. The VA, open border crowd, Marxists, Islaimic terrorists, debt, drugs, a lack of booze...

Response by SPC Ronald Henson made Jul 29 at 2018 8:58 PM

2018-07-29T20:58:58-04:00

It doesn't affect me one bit. Beck if people were to ask me military questions and such or about desert storm i would probably give inaccurate info after being out for 27 years.

Response by FN Michael Burke made Jul 29 at 2018 9:34 PM

2018-07-29T21:34:50-04:00

Imitation is the purest form of flattery

Response by Sgt Michael Hand made Jul 29 at 2018 10:00 PM

2018-07-29T22:00:31-04:00

Haven’t been accosted yet....and suspect I wouldn’t react “kindly” if I am.

Response by SGT Leigh Barton made Jul 30 at 2018 1:18 AM

2018-07-30T01:18:06-04:00

"Stolen Valor" is another way of persecuting someone with low self esteem. We have genuine vets with PTSD, homeless. unemployed, the list is endless. I ended up with a UOTHC behind 4 Honorables. This after coming home from an overseas tour to a divorce, a mother that just had her 3rd stroke, younger brother just short of his 18th birthday looking at foster care, and nobody bothered to put a hardship discharge on the table. The "Army" isn't responsible? I know that only too well. I knew it when I signed up. Why is attention being focused on something so trivial.

Response by PV2 Joseph BaruchI made Jul 30 at 2018 10:16 AM

2018-07-30T10:16:22-04:00

This asshole looks like an idiot

Response by PO3 Scot Fahey made Jul 30 at 2018 10:18 AM

2018-07-30T10:18:42-04:00

Retired officer comes with a carry permit. As current law protect the fools, I must avoid doing use of force paperwork, Somehow I am the villain for pointing out false valor. Mixed up world

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jul 30 at 2018 11:41 AM

2018-07-30T11:41:21-04:00

In the last 50 years I have come in contact with many want to be PX warriors. I have gone from anger to disbelief. Now days i look them in the eye, I have found those who are fakes look down and try to disappear. To those who are real they stand straight and smile. Those who are real have the honor of serving, those who are fake know they have no honor.

Response by SGT Rene Polanco made Jul 30 at 2018 12:00 PM

2018-07-30T12:00:49-04:00

I agree 100%, when I see someone stacked up in plubic and my kids tell me “he has one a little blue rifle too dad” I tell them he’s earned it, wether is true or not it’s none of my business.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Jul 30 at 2018 1:15 PM

2018-07-30T13:15:55-04:00

That photo isn't Stolen Valor, it is Mental Illness

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 1:59 PM

2018-07-30T13:59:53-04:00

Just not worth the time of day. I have other stuff to tend to. I feel the only ones really doing the confronting are boot ass soldiers who have nothing better to do with their lives.

Response by Sgt William Whitewolf made Jul 30 at 2018 3:53 PM

2018-07-30T15:53:59-04:00

Ignore them

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 6:37 PM

2018-07-30T18:37:17-04:00

I care more about people protesting while in uniform on the news or acting like a fool off post in uniform. If some loser wants to try to flex for the people of Walmart then so be it. We have better things to do then yell at a civilian. Yell at your privates for not doing there PHA's.

Response by SSG Gh Sebastian made Jul 30 at 2018 8:36 PM

2018-07-30T20:36:08-04:00

If they are degrading something they need to be punished. But if they are simply wearing it for whatever reason and not harming anybody leave them alone. It's some sort of mental disorder, doesn't affect me, got bigger fish to fry. Why worry about some kook.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 11:12 PM

2018-07-30T23:12:02-04:00

I don't care because why the hell would I?

I love my country. I am eternally grateful for the sacrifices of those who came before me and I'm proud to serve with my fellow service members. Seeing some jabroni wear a ribbon, badge, or uniform they didn't earn doesn't make me think any less of my service. So why would I care?

If someone is getting free food or some other favorable action because they are claiming to have served, sure that's wrong. But if they're just looking for attention, then who are they hurting? I just view it as freedom of speech, and it turns out the Supreme Court agrees.

I've also been acused of stolen valor before and I told those twazoles to get wrecked. I don't owe some overzealous nitwit with nothing better to do an explanation.

Response by SrA Branon Lamphere made Jul 30 at 2018 11:24 PM

2018-07-30T23:24:39-04:00

Somebody tries telling me that I never served I’ll pop him in his lil dick sucker

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Jul 30 at 2018 11:44 PM

2018-07-30T23:44:43-04:00

Most of them are harmless wannabes. Unless they are trying to gain financially or attenp to get government benefits it is not stolen valor. Just make believe, just like when we were children.

Response by SGT Charles Wheeler made Jul 30 at 2018 11:46 PM

2018-07-30T23:46:26-04:00

If I was a self-absorbed, narcisisstic type yeah, then I wouldn't care.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 12:21 AM

2018-07-31T00:21:34-04:00

I think it comes down to tact.

If I see something you will never see me pull out my phone to humiliate that's the first sign of ignorance.

I will simply ask very professional reasonable questions. Where did you serve? How long were you in? Things like that. 9 times out of 10 if they are legit I just shake their hand and carry on my day and potentially collect contact info if it comes to that. If they are homeless I may offer them a ride to the shelter or buy them a burger.

If they are a fake normally it becomes VERY obvious and slaps you in the face.

It's all about approach.

I have been the "Target" for stolen valor idiots that are just trying to make a name for themselves or be Facebook Famous. Not my problem.

There is a HUGE difference when you talk to these people. But of course I am all about the Facts. If you dont have all the facts do not go after someone because you are gonna get egg all over your face.

I can see the emotional caring or not caring about this. No one like to be a target. Thinking back on how it made me feel to become the target of these ignorant boobs was really heartbreaking.

In the same turn there should be some policing of our own to prevent the frauds from taking advantage of the communities they squat in.

Response by SSgt Larry Atkinson made Jul 31 at 2018 12:42 AM

2018-07-31T00:42:14-04:00

I'm kind of torn up a little on this subject. A couple of years ago they convicted and jailed an old man, ( in his mid 80's ) for stolen valor. But I once saw a man wearing USMC Officer's dress blue trousers, green Alpha blouse with Sgt (e-5) rank, more ribbons the Patten and Chesty Puller combined. He had hash marks for 24 years and an Army green Beret cover demanding his military discount at Subway. I only felt bad for the old man looking for a few friends.

Response by MSG Dale Lee made Jul 31 at 2018 2:54 AM

2018-07-31T02:54:03-04:00

As an old retired NCO I'm not about to respond to some young punk thinking they found a fake cause they didn't earn as much. I'm all for busting someone receiving benefits by stolen valor, but seriously, how many young guys know what was taught 40, 50 years ago? How many post are gone? Camps where the training was done?

Response by SPC Russ Bolton made Jul 31 at 2018 3:04 AM

2018-07-31T03:04:07-04:00

Their is always someone that wants to ride the gravy train. It is getting harder to find an actual vet that is out their because they are the only ones that I try to help because it is so hard out here. I just wished that the imposters would do a different gig.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Jul 31 at 2018 7:21 AM

2018-07-31T07:21:59-04:00

Are they any worse than groups like Wounded Warriors, at least how they used to be. I looked at their financials one year a few years back, they had raised over 30 million dollars, about 650K went to actually helping vets, while 2 guys each almost made that much in salary, and most of the money went to advertise to get more money. The world is full of hustlers, if people can't understand a guy who looks like that is a fraud, what can you say.

Response by SCPO John Wood made Jul 31 at 2018 7:51 AM

2018-07-31T07:51:31-04:00

I think RallyPoint obsesses too much about "stolen valor".

Response by SGT Matthew Bellemare made Jul 31 at 2018 8:09 AM

2018-07-31T08:09:26-04:00

The problem arises that you have well meaning people now harassing actual veterans. I’d rather groan and walk past an idiot pretending to be a vet than risk making an actual vet uncomfortable.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 9:15 AM

2018-07-31T09:15:25-04:00

I agree it bothers me when these losers use stolen valor to get gain. I don’t go bonkers and want to crush them as some do. I am proud of my military legacy as well as my families. These loser have no life and are just low life oxygen thieves who need to be exposed for what they are. If they aren’t getting any gain in any way I just ignore them as the losers they are. “You can’t fix stupid.”

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 9:22 AM

2018-07-31T09:22:13-04:00

Blatent outlandish over the top use or wear by a faker for personal benefit, sure I would confront someone and I have no problem showing someone my retirement I'd, my veteran automobile plates or my state veterans id card, they can come to the house to check my dd 214 if they want to ride all the way to my house in the middle of nowhere. This is also coming from a retiree that only) occasionally wears an old retiree ballcap and I only wear my retiree pin on certain occasions.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 4:24 PM

2018-07-31T16:24:25-04:00

Post 9-11 there was a lady representing herself as a full Colonel at Ft. Knox. She'd done it for years, been invited to functions etc. and turns out it was all fraud. If someone is "playing dress up" then so be it, it's a free country and it doesn't hurt me, but if they are trying to get free coffee, cut lines, special parking etc. then yeah, that's a problem which should be addressed. Be sure you are addressing a fraud though... Heaven help you if you start picking on an old and legitimate vet.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 4:54 PM

2018-07-31T16:54:43-04:00

I'll be honest, in the past I have been guilty of feeling the need to lose my shit over the issue. However, a single Twitter post incident not involving me definitely put me in check on that. Some of you might've seen it yourselves. So there was Green Beret CSM with various ribbons and badges, a few you wouldn't have recognized right away and there was a long colorful line of folks attacking this man calling him all sorts of names and shit bags etc. What really made me kinda cringe is you have visible service members participating in this as well. Then it comes out that CSM is actually legit and those service members basically call an Army Senior NCO a shitbag on Twitter smh. That's why I don't really lose my shit on it. I shake my head, but i have no real way of knowing if the person is real except for speculation from experience, but I'm not gonna harass someone for papers that's none of my business to see anyways.

Response by CPO John Best made Jul 31 at 2018 7:56 PM

2018-07-31T19:56:01-04:00

Many of these dumbasses are mentally disturbed. I'm not angry at them. It's the BASTARDS that scam the government and veteran organizations out of money that push me off. Keelhaul those bastards.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Jul 31 at 2018 7:58 PM

2018-07-31T19:58:20-04:00

It's difficult for me to respond to this as I have yet to experience it. However, I would like to think that I would tell the inquisitor to put it where the monkey put the marble and walk away. The people who are important to me know and that's all I need. If he lays a hand on me, well its their decision. Outside of it becoming physical, I don't really think there's any substantive action one can take. To argue, even when you know you are in the right lends validation to the one committing the verbal assault.

Response by CPL Todd Albert made Jul 31 at 2018 8:05 PM

2018-07-31T20:05:47-04:00

I was a Corporal, I earned a blue cord, Blue backers for my crossed rifles and US insignia. I was awarded an ARCOM, an overseas service ribbon, a service ribbon, and a good conduct medal. I never felt that I needed to be any more than that. If you must be a PX soldier to give your life meaning, so be it as long as you are not collecting unwarranted benefits, compensation, of bilking someone out of something you already have enough problems in your life. I do not waste my time on these people. I took an oath to defend our nation from all enemies foreign and domestic, it said nothing about attacking fake PX soldiers anywhere in my oath.

Response by SFC Harry H. made Jul 31 at 2018 8:15 PM

2018-07-31T20:15:23-04:00

Depends, if they are just wearing the uniform, no name tape, no rank, or unit then so be it. It’s when they try to tell me they were with some elite unit is when I question them and belittle them. But just wearing a uniform is their American right. The right in which we all probided them.

Response by SGT John Gray made Jul 31 at 2018 8:34 PM

2018-07-31T20:34:06-04:00

Yes, it is a sham, scam, and an affront to those who have served and given all they have to have some Zero make a mockery of those who have served. However, it is a free country. We served to protect others freedom of speech. However, if someone uses fraud to take advantage of others by soliciting money or services because of their fraudulent service claim(s) they need to be called out and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Would I call someone out-No- but I would report the fraud to the authorities. Just sayin!!

Response by LCpl John Jacobs made Jul 31 at 2018 8:49 PM

2018-07-31T20:49:21-04:00

stolen valor is despicable but I would be horrified to find out that I had embarrassed a fellow veteran by wrongly accusing him of it.

Response by Maj Keith Vital made Jul 31 at 2018 10:31 PM

2018-07-31T22:31:45-04:00

I can agree with LTC Michael M's comments. My issue is when frauds use their fakery for personal gain (drinks, public honors, or financial) by taking advantage of patriotic/pro-military Americans.

Response by SFC John Fontenot made Jul 31 at 2018 11:26 PM

2018-07-31T23:26:04-04:00

I have been falsely accused of stolen Valor when I was still in the Guard. I was 60 years old at the time in uniform when I was accosted by a couple of air force junior NCO's. I was Army National Guard. After that happened I decided never would I approach anyone. Back when I first went in in 72 there was no stolen valor judt PX heroes.

Response by SPC Collie White made Aug 1 at 2018 1:22 AM

2018-08-01T01:22:03-04:00

Well i do love the stolen valor videos on youtube. we need more of those.

Response by PO1 Thomas Price made Aug 1 at 2018 1:53 AM

2018-08-01T01:53:07-04:00

I do care, I served in the Navy for 23 years and I feel if you didn't earn it don't wear it. By the way what is that guy in the picture suppose to be, I've never seen a Air Force service member where his or hers rank like that. If it wasn't against the law I would strip that A hole down to his skivvies and let him walk home that way.

Response by MAJ Roy Nickerson made Aug 1 at 2018 10:44 AM

2018-08-01T10:44:35-04:00

I've got my own shite going on. If they're not stealing benefits from vets, let them knock themselves out.

Response by SSG Arnett Kamer made Aug 1 at 2018 3:17 PM

2018-08-01T15:17:18-04:00

I get it all the time.Im in Missouri and see so much discredit to military. I sent Many years and if they want to push stolen valor,I will even call a lawyer for them!!

Response by SSG Andrew Moon made Aug 1 at 2018 3:23 PM

2018-08-01T15:23:34-04:00

Very well said.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 3:36 PM

2018-08-01T15:36:35-04:00

Each individual has to draw their own line in the sand separating what is and isn't an issue regarding stolen valor. I don't like the fact that it happens and I certainly don't support it, I just have much bigger fish to fry in my life at the moment.

Response by SMSgt Paul Ringheiser made Aug 1 at 2018 4:55 PM

2018-08-01T16:55:08-04:00

It's easy to pick out a fraud. What they wear and say speaks truer than you can imagine.

Response by SPC James H Butts Iii made Aug 1 at 2018 5:20 PM

2018-08-01T17:20:37-04:00

I don't care about the frackers that do this we veterans know who is the real veterans I know I am one and I don't push it to no one most of the time its sooo easy to spot one I don't understand why that do it but most are not right in the head but yes it does make me angry but not to the point to bother some one that's so not right in the head I have a plate on my van and get changed all the time but I just let it go I know that's all that counts

Response by SPC James H Butts Iii made Aug 1 at 2018 5:22 PM

2018-08-01T17:22:26-04:00

Response by SPC James H Butts Iii made Aug 1 at 2018 5:27 PM

2018-08-01T17:27:43-04:00

I don't see this as stolen valor this guy is not right in the head I feel sorry for him we veterans know who is and not veterans but sum times that don't know what that do but sum do it and know it these I will call out all the time

Response by SPC Bill Payne made Aug 1 at 2018 7:07 PM

2018-08-01T19:07:11-04:00

I'd have to be pretty sure before I called anyone out. But if I was sure there would be he'll to pay. And if they were drawing bennies that they didn't deserve, I would tern their asses into somebody. Too many vets not getting bennies they deserve. 22 a day ch3cking out.

Response by SGT Bobby Oliver made Aug 1 at 2018 9:05 PM

2018-08-01T21:05:06-04:00

Because they're not doing any harm if they're not financially benefiting from it. People know how awesome the military is, so if they want to play pretend soldier like we did when we were kids, it's not a big deal. They're the ones who look ridiculous, not me. However, if someone ever approaches me and accuses me of stolen valor, I will tell them to go spend 15 months in Iraq, then come back to me. There's better things for us vets to do with our time than pick on posers. Let them make a fool of themselves, and be proud of your service and glad that you don't have to "fake it."

Response by PO1 Jeremy Johnson made Aug 1 at 2018 9:26 PM

2018-08-01T21:26:22-04:00

I watched a video on YouTube showing a blowhard chasing some panhandler around a street, getting in his face and posturing, and asking him for his "veterans card." At first I thought private blowhard fatass was a veteran himself, but he must have been active duty, because you don't get a card unless you retire. The man he was chasing around could have been legitimate and he wouldn't know it because he's too stupid to realize he wasn't getting a fancy card once he was done.

Response by SPC Robert Temple made Aug 1 at 2018 11:31 PM

2018-08-01T23:31:21-04:00

There is no doubt this clown is phony. With a getup like this every one ghat sees him should know he's a phony. I think he wants the attention from getting arrested he certainly can't believe he's fooling anyone

Response by SSG Michael Langley made Aug 2 at 2018 2:14 AM

2018-08-02T02:14:36-04:00

If there is fraud, then the authorities can be notified and take action. I am more concerned with self appointed vigilante guardians of valor who feel they have the right to decide who earned and who did not earn awards/honors. My stepmother's first husband was a Filipino Scout who joined the Regular Army after WWII. I wonder how many of these modern day valor hawks know enough history to comprehend that they don't know everything about past service. Put your outrage away and leave others alone.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2018 2:45 AM

2018-08-02T02:45:09-04:00

As a female, people look at me in disbelief..even at the VA.. so I agree with the previous comments. I am not the veteran police. I carry my VA ID as well as my active military ID.. provide it for services as necessary and ignore the stupidity of others. I do not like liars and posers but find it unprofessional to try humiliate someone and also sad for the person. Obviously there is some mental health issue which is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed.

Response by Capt Merl Miller made Aug 2 at 2018 3:35 AM

2018-08-02T03:35:43-04:00

What kind of benefits would that clown in the picture receive?

Response by SFC Brandon Thurman made Aug 2 at 2018 8:36 AM

2018-08-02T08:36:44-04:00

Most civilians are complete pieces of shit. I used to actually care about stolen valor, but I just expect it now. If you call them out in public now, you are the bad guy for embarrassing them, so fuck them, and for that matter everyone else.

Response by SFC John Logan made Aug 2 at 2018 10:43 AM

2018-08-02T10:43:53-04:00

If they aren't trying to do more than wearing the stuff... It's become a costume...but if they are trying to profit or gain benefits...thats wrong... I used to wear some insignia but now just some wings and a tab

Response by PO1 Andrew Jillard made Aug 2 at 2018 1:37 PM

2018-08-02T13:37:48-04:00

I really don't mind that much, unless someone is getting an advantage from it. Generally, you need to prove to the DMV that you are eligible for a veteran license plate, so that's a good indication that someone is either real or fake.

It actually bothers me more when I see screwed up uniforms on TV or in the movies.

Response by CPL Robert Clifton made Aug 2 at 2018 2:00 PM

2018-08-02T14:00:54-04:00

I’ve always assumed the government knows who I am. When I talk to them they ask my last name and last 4 of my social. The government knows who I am and I have no doubt they could tell you my kindergarten grades
Don’t give a flying frack if you don’t know
Their are things the army asked us not to talk about and I keep my word period

Response by Sgt Van Livingston made Aug 2 at 2018 3:56 PM

2018-08-02T15:56:46-04:00

I care, but why do we get freaked out about someone wearing a badge or ensignia he or she probably didn't earn. Some people do it as a sign of respect. While others do it trying to be funny. What pissed me off are the ones that will sit there and claim they did this or that and it is either obvious they didn't or you know for a fact they didn't. An example was a guy that claimed he had been a ranger in nam. Welk, he was younger than me and I was too young for nam so there is no way he was there, and it was highly doubtful he has ever been in the service as he had been doing his current job too long to have been in even 1 full enlistment. I got tired of it and told him to shut his lying mouth. To me that is what stolen valor is. Just wearing an award on your shirt is just a very small part, it is when they claim to have earned it that get my hackles up.

Response by SSG Timothy Davis made Aug 2 at 2018 4:45 PM

2018-08-02T16:45:01-04:00

I don’t know about anyone else, but after 13 years of service, I can tell who are vets and who are not. And they don’t have to be wearing medals or uniforms. It’s mannerisms, the way they carry themselves, the way they stand during the pledge or anthem. I don’t like someone faking service to our country, but I’m not gonna go out of my way to humiliate them either. I actually fell a little sorry for them. They are pathetic human beings who feel that they have done nothing worth while in their lives amd report to fakery amd fraid to receive unwarranted attention and credit. The old literary saying sums it up best, “A coward dies a thousand deaths, but a hero dies but one.”

Response by CMSgt John Reeves made Aug 2 at 2018 9:18 PM

2018-08-02T21:18:24-04:00

Stolen Valor - Individual intends to defraud the government by claiming military service and benefits he or she is not entitled to. Also impersonation of a member of the armed forces, police, fire and rescue, meaning never having served in any capacity as a member of the military, police, fire and rescue.

My interpretation

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Aug 2 at 2018 9:19 PM

2018-08-02T21:19:30-04:00

Someone bragging about their imaginary heroics probably deserves to be taken down a notch. The real heroes I have met And know are pretty reserved about who they share their stories with. Usually only with other vets

Response by CPO Steve Houser made Aug 3 at 2018 12:28 AM

2018-08-03T00:28:55-04:00

I have always held that if you didn't earn it, don't wear it. That applies to military personnel. If you get characters like the old guy in the boy scout shirt covered in buttons and ribbons, he's obviously not attempting to pass himself off as military. What I object to is people using the military to shyster someone out of a buck or gain some form of special treatment when they obviously didn't earn it the way I (or my military brethren) did. I have seen enough old hippies running around in military surplus hats that were "special forces" you'd think an entire Ranger battalion was at that parade... they don't bother me so much, 'cause most of em are loses to start with and only prove it with their actions. Them I pity. The rip off artists are pretty pitiful, too, and I'll tell them so - "feel sorry for you, that your life sucks so bad you gotta fake being a hero. May as well wear a cape and a mask, Batman" and leave it at that.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 1:10 AM

2018-08-03T01:10:35-04:00

A year or two back myself and one of my fellow recruiters were stopped in a Mc Donalds and called out for stolen valor. The soldier accusing us didn't stop, even after we presented identification.

Their was no reason to suspect we were phonies, aside from being in uniform in downtown Seattle.

The soldier actually followed us back to the recruiting office, and then she apologised, we verbally counseled her on why that behavior is inappropriate and called that good enough.

On a funny/sad note, at the same office before a dining out, I walked around the corner in my ASU uniform without my beret on. A bum yelled at me
" fuck is your headgear sergeant".......

Response by SGT Jeremiah Giles made Aug 3 at 2018 3:27 AM

2018-08-03T03:27:53-04:00

The guy in the picture is high speed AF

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Aug 3 at 2018 6:35 AM

2018-08-03T06:35:51-04:00

I have issue with it but what makes me angry and hurts my soul example one of my guys KIA some jackass stole his identity and pretended they were they mighty SF war to see what all they could get in his name.

The other side of that coin LTC Matthews points out vets getting humiliated. At what point can we pump the brakes on this? I am retired and some jackass trying to get a free drink or get laid by telling everyone he was a SEAL team 96 Delta red team go, it does not mean as much as it did. Most of these jackasses are so far off form the truth who could take them seriously. However, identify theft of our great warriors is different.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Aug 3 at 2018 6:41 AM

2018-08-03T06:41:40-04:00

Yall I read all the responses and with yalls ability to articulate the English language much better than me I think I was able to form a coherent thought. Yea I dont like Stolen Valor but I would rather let 10 jackasses walk on than create an issue for a real vet. Yall I dont think I am doing to well on this one, yet.

Response by SFC Casimir Vital made Aug 3 at 2018 7:50 AM

2018-08-03T07:50:08-04:00

I do not worry about the frauds. Instead of hunting down fakes I try to help the vets that have benefits that they need but are not receiving. I study VA policies and benefits and try to get federvong vets to the places they need to be to get the help and benefits they so sorely need. If the stolen valor crew would spend as.much time helping other vets as they do hunting and embarrassing fake heros the veteran community would be a lot better off.
For the former marines in the group check out the Camp Lejeune water contamination issue and see if you fall into the subject category.

Response by Cpl Richard Yobs made Aug 3 at 2018 8:11 AM

2018-08-03T08:11:03-04:00

Totally in agreement with what I’ve read. I would feel better knowing that the important benefits of vets are not being stolen which would in turn deprive a Veteran. Stories of delayed healthcare is bad enough, but if the delay is compounded by stolen valor recipients would be the biggest insult of all. I am hopeful that the VA vetting process is accurate.
Semper Fi to my Marines and all those whom served this beloved Country.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 9:53 AM

2018-08-03T09:53:41-04:00

Because I’ve never allowed any organization to dictate what I should and should not get upset about. If someone wants to lie and say they served because it helps them sleep, go for it. If they lie because they want free food at some restaurant, cool. Parents lie on the age of their kids all the time to get free food. But, none of it affects me. It’s not my problem. I’m not gonna go and get all angry because a guy with issues is lying about his service. People lie everyday. To be really honest, I don’t even wanna hear the old vets stories about the good old days. I entertain him/her to be nice. The stories people really want to hear belong to those with PTSD and they don’t want to talk about it. Get over yourselves.

Response by SP6 Christopher Michael made Aug 3 at 2018 9:54 AM

2018-08-03T09:54:45-04:00

Quiet Professionals

Response by PO3 Frank Balin made Aug 3 at 2018 11:42 AM

2018-08-03T11:42:36-04:00

Have an aquantance not a friend who wears army insignia hats who does not have a DD214. I'm sure he does not know what it is. Waiting for the appropriate time in a group setting with friends I will ask about his DD214 and see what happens.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 11:49 AM

2018-08-03T11:49:22-04:00

As long as the person isn’t profiting off of it, who cares. It do any affect me, so I say let the liar lie and the truth will come out eventually

Response by LTJG Timothy Griffing made Aug 3 at 2018 12:11 PM

2018-08-03T12:11:45-04:00

I care when someone is trying to ask for money or selling stuff dress up in a military type uniform pending to be a veteran.

Response by SN Jay Perry made Aug 3 at 2018 12:18 PM

2018-08-03T12:18:34-04:00

I have met enough Pretenders in my life, what is cease to surprise and or bother me. When it does bother me is that when these people are using that Stolen Valor for some form of gain be it professional Financial or political and that's when I take exception.

Response by A1C Michael Beal made Aug 3 at 2018 12:40 PM

2018-08-03T12:40:29-04:00

I've seen a few folks I knew weren't military dressed in full uniform. The most recent was a woman in full ACUs (old grey ACU, not the Multicam ACU) to include cover but with her hair hanging down her back and sneakers. Was I bothered? Yes. Was it for me to confront her? No. She was probably trying to get something at a discount which requires proof; proof she probably didn't have. I've got a friend who's military story is falling apart. Am I going to be angry when the full truth is revealed? You betcha! Am I going to retain him as a friend? No way. If he had to lie to make a friend then he's not worth the time or trouble.

Response by LtCol Lourie Salley made Aug 3 at 2018 2:55 PM

2018-08-03T14:55:04-04:00

I am not going to say that I don't care. Usually the clowns are insanely easy to identify. It is also suprisingly easy to identify Marine/Airborne/ Ranger/UDT/ Seals in public, even if they are wearing no military accoutrements. The guys coming back from Afganistan, with beards take a few seconds longer to ID. I can identify a fellow Devildog within 60 seconds...less if he speaks

Response by SSG Mark Drew made Aug 3 at 2018 2:58 PM

2018-08-03T14:58:31-04:00

It really doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is desicrating the US Flag! But that's another topic.

Response by SPC John Murray made Aug 3 at 2018 3:03 PM

2018-08-03T15:03:16-04:00

I agree with the above statement I work at a Harley dealership and there's a lot of fake ass m************ that come in talking about how they were in combat it's easy to spot them.

Response by LtCol Lourie Salley made Aug 3 at 2018 3:10 PM

2018-08-03T15:10:37-04:00

The clowns just feel guilty because they did not serve. Hell, in the 70s we were told NOT to travel in uniform, because we got spit on, and subjected to verbal abuse. Several years ago, I wore one of my USMC sweat shirts to the gym. (It was January, raining sleet, and cold as hell, (or Norway). Folks came up to say, "Thank you for your service ". I was confused. No one used to do that. The best I could do was say, "It was a privilege to serve with the best folks I have ever known " The attitude towards us has changed.

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Aug 3 at 2018 5:18 PM

2018-08-03T17:18:42-04:00

This very day there are more claims of being Vietnam vets than actually served in country. Their claims of being in a classified unit that can’t get there records because they are sealed or were destroyed in the fire at the records center never hold up.
I have been dealing with a guy in Bolivar , Mo that claims he went in 1972 and was returned the next day to conus. First he claimed to be an era vet then should up claiming to have been there. The problem being the unit he claims to have been there with wasn’t there. Now he claims to have been a trained sniper

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Aug 3 at 2018 5:23 PM

2018-08-03T17:23:23-04:00

I became the bad guy when after listening to all his stories I asked him to show me his dd214. I also told him I could help him get his dd214 because he claimed to have lost it. He also has wears a thin set of ribbons and says that was what were sent to him when he requested replacement medals. He actually purchased those from Medals of America. DOD does not send thin set ribbon racks.

Response by SrA Alvin Cook made Aug 3 at 2018 7:10 PM

2018-08-03T19:10:04-04:00

Not my place to demand proof of service nor sit in judgement of someone who obviously has self esteem/mental health issues. Those who have served will recognize a true brother or sister. I do not have respect for their decietful behavior but having served honorably I will not LOSE my honor by confronting these individuals unless they are commiting criminal fraud. They are not WORTHY of my time or attention.

Response by 1SG Charles Rivenburgh made Aug 3 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-08-03T19:57:09-04:00

If they are collecting entitlements that are for veterans, not only tag them, lock their sorry butts. If you look like the goofball in the picture, then let them go for it. We know no real veteran would go out in public looking like that!

Response by PO3 Dennis Kordes made Aug 3 at 2018 9:39 PM

2018-08-03T21:39:49-04:00

There is no single answer to the appropriate response to someone who's wearing a uniform or claiming service. I see a lot of the videos where the person clearly has a mental deficit. I don't think screaming at this group of people solves anything or is it appropriate. Call the person aside and have a private conversation with them. You can then determine the appropriate action with the least amount of embarrassment or turmoil. Do you want to correct the behavior or do you want your 15 minutes of fame on YouTube or Facebook?

Response by SGT Richard Crampton made Aug 3 at 2018 10:37 PM

2018-08-03T22:37:48-04:00

No one's business! If the clowns are actually stealing funds or services - report them to authorities.
Come at ME demanding to see my ID/DD-214 - well, somebody is going to end up very unhappy!

Response by SGT Matt Wray made Aug 3 at 2018 10:59 PM

2018-08-03T22:59:28-04:00

I think there is some grey area and circumstance will dictate on whether a vet (or not) should be confronted. If a guy is walking around the mall in uniform with obvious fake awards trying to get free stuff then yea he should be called out. But if is a old guy wearing a Vietnam hat at the mall leave him alone. Let’s use some common since guys.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Aug 3 at 2018 11:54 PM

2018-08-03T23:54:59-04:00

I wouldn't want anyone to answer anyone's probing questions about my service therefore I don't question others about theirs. If they tell me and I know their lying I might say really! Lol, if their getting a discount on shoes fine, but if their getting a home loan or money...then that is another story. Does anyone remember what happen to a real vet at Chillies? Someone said he wasn't a vet, so the manager asked him to leave. Not only was he a vet. he was a Chaplin! With a service dog!, I felt so bad for what happened. In Md, they have started printing your statues on your driver's license, but I wouldn't show it just because someone wants me to prove that I am what my pink Army Hat says I am:(

Response by TSgt James Hadley made Aug 4 at 2018 3:05 AM

2018-08-04T03:05:20-04:00

Your asking about this fruit salad? Corporal Klinger in MASH, looks more military than this idiot!!!!!

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Aug 4 at 2018 5:59 AM

2018-08-04T05:59:54-04:00

Most likey my responses would range between "mind your own business" and "eff off, boot!"

Response by SGT Frank Allen made Aug 4 at 2018 11:59 AM

2018-08-04T11:59:37-04:00

The guys in these pictures, obviously mentally ill. I do not feel that they are a threat to the integrity of the awards that we wear or to the benefits that we receive. Actually, I think they deserve our empathy, compassion and concern. I don’t see how anyone could fraudulently receive the benefits. I had a very difficult time and a long wait I don’t see how anyone could fraudulently receive VA benefits. I had a very difficult time and long wait.

Response by SPC Mike Burnside made Aug 4 at 2018 12:38 PM

2018-08-04T12:38:48-04:00

They can wear what ever they want but they know they earned nothing.

Response by MSG William Riseling made Aug 4 at 2018 12:54 PM

2018-08-04T12:54:54-04:00

Generally speaking, a True Combat Veteran WILL NOT go around displaying awards such as displayed here in. Stolen Valor is a sign of sickness. Period. Good people do not treat sick people badly.

Response by CPO Jeff Branum made Aug 4 at 2018 4:40 PM

2018-08-04T16:40:50-04:00

Most of these people attempting stolen valor have absolutely no clue the proper way to wear these uniforms or badges. They make themselves look like complete assclowns! Any actual vet would notice this, shake his head and just move on. It’s not worth any vets time or effort to pick a fight with someone that obviously has no honor. To all of my actual brothers and sisters out there, thank you for your service!

Response by CPT Bill Pohlman made Aug 4 at 2018 6:30 PM

2018-08-04T18:30:31-04:00

I know who I am and what/ wear I served.
Posers usually have mental problems and I feel sorry for them@! Known draft dodgers like The Donald are another story@

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2018 7:48 PM

2018-08-04T19:48:07-04:00

In most cases people who are dressed up have something missing in their lives or missing something in the mind. Not worth the aggravation, if it is really stolen valor let the proper authorities hash it out.

Response by 1SG Steven Hill made Aug 4 at 2018 9:40 PM

2018-08-04T21:40:55-04:00

If someone get a kick out of pretending to be something they are not its okay by Me , just don't try to impress Me so They move on to someone more gullible than I

Response by Sgt Robert J. Fruge' made Aug 4 at 2018 10:52 PM

2018-08-04T22:52:49-04:00

This piece of crap would never make it in the girl scouts

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2018 2:56 AM

2018-08-05T02:56:58-04:00

I care about stolen valor if it leads to someone receiving benefits for which they are not entitled. However it is a felony to fraudulently obtain federal benefits. That is a real crime. Stolen valor however is significantly less viewed in isolation.

Response by SPC Lawrence Sinagra made Aug 5 at 2018 9:41 AM

2018-08-05T09:41:25-04:00

It is the duty of every veteran to police each other and not the public. If I see someone with a veteran hat regardless of service or war I will thank them for their service. If I feel someone is stolen valor I will call them out on it and make sure they are humiliated enough to maybe not do it again. Rangers lead the way! 2/75.

Response by 1SG Dan Nichols made Aug 5 at 2018 10:01 AM

2018-08-05T10:01:49-04:00

I care but I take offense that these young bloods take it upon themselves to police the issue without compassion. There are true veterans that have mental health issues that cause them to be dilutional about there military service. Also older veterans become confused about their service. I can assure you I am a disabled combat vet but if some young man gets in my face and demands my DD Form 214 I will show it to him if he can see it through to swollen eyes as I show him old school military discipline. No one will question my military service, combat tours or medals and awards awarded. End of tant

Response by 1SG Dan Nichols made Aug 5 at 2018 10:02 AM

2018-08-05T10:02:44-04:00

Rant

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Aug 5 at 2018 10:18 AM

2018-08-05T10:18:32-04:00

Someone purposefully using stolen valor for material gain makes me sick, and I would call them out. Heck, even if it is just braggadocio at a bar (claiming to be a SEAL, Marine sniper, or Green Beret). But some of the people who've been highlighted on videos are pretty obviously suffering from severe mental problems. It serves no good to keep after them.

There was a feedling frenzy on a military forum some time ago about a person who claimed to be an A4 pilot who'd been shot down over Libya (I think it was) among other things. The guy seemed a little weird, and he was challenged as a poser. He produced some copies of documentation, and others refused to accept it, going crazy on him. A retired admiral, known to some, vouched for him, yet like a dog on a bone, some wouldn't let go. (In the same forum, where I had posted to get some research for a book), I was turned in as a poser (unbeknownst to me) for simply stating I was an a retired infantry colonel to give the pilots context on why I was asking for assistance. The moderators had to do their own research and posted that I was legit.

I've also been hounded for simply wearing an old pair of cammie trou. A gunny in civilian clothes came up and challenged me. At first I was bemused, but he kept insisting I produce documentation on my service. Finally, I told him off. A short time later, one of his sergeants, also in civlilian clothes came up to me and told me that I was disrespecting vets as well as inviting a terrorist attack.

I'm all for calling out someone for stolen valor, but I agree with LTC Mathews that the almost militant pursuit of anything that could hint at it is troubling.

Response by SPC Sean Martin made Aug 5 at 2018 11:53 AM

2018-08-05T11:53:53-04:00

Care comes from having Honor, Code,, Dignity, Pride, Loyalty, Oath...without any of this, you have NOTHING!!

Response by Amn John Dixon made Aug 5 at 2018 12:36 PM

2018-08-05T12:36:39-04:00

I just wish I could meet one of these liars face to face.

Response by PO1 Lee Ferguson made Aug 5 at 2018 1:26 PM

2018-08-05T13:26:28-04:00

I just have too many other things to worry about in my life. Is it wrong what they are doing? Of course it is..but I am not the STOLEN VALOR POLICE.. I don't carry my DD214 on me as I am sure most people don't..be proud of your service as I am proud of mine..are they physically harming anyone?? Nope
.its not against the law yet to be an idiot in the United States.. If they want to play pretend soldier, sailor, ariman and marine let em...is it disrespectful and stupid.? You bet it is..but I have too many other things going on in my life to worry about, like providing for my family, than to stop someone and ask about what medal and ribbon someone is wearing.. Its almost gotten to the point of SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS like in Nazi Germany...Go on live YOUR life and quit worrying about what other people do..

Response by MAJ Mark Anderson made Aug 5 at 2018 2:40 PM

2018-08-05T14:40:13-04:00

Awards are all about command climate. I read the MOH award citation downgraded to a silver star (still quite awesome) because the CG of the division reportedly told his adjutant that the first MOH awarded in "his" division would be to an officer. The citation was for my platoon sergeant when he was a buck sergeant in VietNam. He carried that scrap of paper the rest of his life in testament to how unfair the culture of the old Army was to enlisted men.

Response by SFC Darwin Thomad made Aug 5 at 2018 3:07 PM

2018-08-05T15:07:31-04:00

As long as they are not harming anyone, than let them be. If it takes falsely representing themselves to feel good about themselves than feel sorry for them. Most real hero’s no what they have done and feel no need to boast are put on a display to seek recognition.

Response by SPC Daryl Stanford made Aug 5 at 2018 5:47 PM

2018-08-05T17:47:46-04:00

I do care, but as the British say, “The truth will out”. Yes if I can totally see that it is 100% fake, I will call them out. Otherwise, let them fall on their own lies.

Response by CSM Harold Shrewsberry made Aug 5 at 2018 6:00 PM

2018-08-05T18:00:37-04:00

You know your service record and awards. Wear them with pride. The few who fake it are not worth my time. You can tell a fake right away, just have a conversation and asks them a few basic service related experiences. They will say a few things and walk away. Let them be. Freedom is great but painful at times dealing with fakes.

Response by SSG Juan Serrano made Aug 5 at 2018 7:24 PM

2018-08-05T19:24:43-04:00

Amen!

Response by Maj Frank Thomas made Aug 5 at 2018 9:02 PM

2018-08-05T21:02:05-04:00

Any idiot accusing me risks a bloody nose

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2018 9:37 PM

2018-08-05T21:37:11-04:00

If I saw someone I know is a fake I would call them on it. I don't hunt for this. I am much more bothered by the fact I know people that worked their asses off and got a bronze star and others got their bronze star by watching movies and neglecting their soldiers.

Response by SGT Roger Bunton made Aug 5 at 2018 10:48 PM

2018-08-05T22:48:26-04:00

I have come across a couple of fakes and it did not take long talking to them to know they were false...just ask a few questions and it won't take long..but I do not get aggressive with them...I just walk away and ignore them...unless they push the issue.

Response by CPT William Dean Sr. made Aug 6 at 2018 4:07 AM

2018-08-06T04:07:14-04:00

A fake wearing military related items going into restaurants or stores that offer goods for free or reduced prices to veterans is committing a crime. Some places might charge and others will not. The posters are mentally ill.

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Aug 6 at 2018 8:17 AM

2018-08-06T08:17:37-04:00

The only time I have ever felt like pursuing the topic is with panhandlers using the veteran status begging for money.

There is a guy in town who is an amputee that walks around with a homeless veteran cardboard poster begging for money. I remember filing my VA claims and going though the TSGLI claims process.
I only wonder, what the hell did he do with all that money and what is he doing with his VA compensation.

Response by MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED) made Aug 6 at 2018 8:41 AM

2018-08-06T08:41:48-04:00

Well the way I see it. Most of the guys in the YouTube videos berating the posers are younger. More than likely they are younger Vets who got out. Older Vets don’t really care. Not because they don’t care about their brothers and sisters in arms. It’s because we have other stuff to do with our time then worry about cosplayers. We know that dudes not a Vet, is that going to stop him? Probably not. Most of these posers have a mental illness from what I see in videos.

On the other hand there are those Vets who will call out another Vet. Is what is an issue. If I ever encounter this I am going do it military style. I’m going to have him call Air Force Personnel Center, wait in call que for an hour only to find out I am a Veteran, record the whole thing and put it up on YouTube, then call his command. Or tell him to stand at attention, about face, forward March.

Response by MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED) made Aug 6 at 2018 8:51 AM

2018-08-06T08:51:24-04:00

I’m to busy working on my DD214 body and don’t have time to care about cosplayers.

Response by TSgt James Easley made Aug 6 at 2018 9:05 AM

2018-08-06T09:05:39-04:00

The ones stealing the valor should be made to go pay for it in combat.

Response by 1SG Jerry Davis made Aug 6 at 2018 9:05 AM

2018-08-06T09:05:53-04:00

I have a shoebox full medals and didn’t try to earn a single one of them. Got them for doing my job and I got paid for doing that. Sometimes I feel ex- service member feel better about what little they did by putting someone else down. I have seen a lot of people wearing medals or ribbons they didn’t. I just laugh to myself and keep on going about my business.

Response by Sgt Greg Harwell made Aug 6 at 2018 10:36 AM

2018-08-06T10:36:46-04:00

Personally, while I abhor anyone who is a "poser", I don't think it's worth my time to try and call out someone I don't personally know the history of. I'm proud of my service, and know what I did and where I served. That's all I care about. The only time I would probably change this opinion, is if someone running for political office tried to "pad their resume" to garner votes. Carry on and Stay Safe, Brothers and Sisters!

Response by PO3 Robert Hayes made Aug 6 at 2018 10:58 AM

2018-08-06T10:58:53-04:00

The government has records, if you want actual benefits you can produce a DD214 and they should be able to help you. As far as fake medals go, the phony people usually make stupid mistakes, have stuff from different branches of service, or they can’t remember their unit, MOS, or where they served. It pisses me off, but my friend is also a vet and he says the freedom we served to protect allows the idiots to burn flags and pretend to be Audie Murphy.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Aug 6 at 2018 2:55 PM

2018-08-06T14:55:40-04:00

Because one cannot steal that which is intrinsic. Who I am, the nature of my service, the people with whom I've served...can't steal it.

I'm more offended by actual service members who do nefarious stuff.

Response by CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr. made Aug 6 at 2018 3:06 PM

2018-08-06T15:06:44-04:00

Bottom line here is to answer this question: Is the "suspected poser" using his "tale" to enrich himself? If there is no personal enrichment involved the poser's activity then there is NO CRIME IAW the SCOTUS. If there is personal enrichment for the benefit of the poser there IS a crime and his actions can be investigated and pursued legally. A beggar asking for cash on the corner with a "VET, homeless, please help, God Bless" sign is not likely to "enrich himself very much in any case. He may irritate you, but he is not worth the efforts necessary to banish him. The cases that Gaul my butt are those big time posers that get recognized by local government and/or organizations for their wholly manufactured escapades in combat. Part of the problem today is that these organizations do not do "due diligence" before they dive headlong into the fantastical. Common sense, all to uncommon, and restraint are useful watchwords to apply to this issue.

Response by SPC Daniel Hogg made Aug 6 at 2018 3:32 PM

2018-08-06T15:32:22-04:00

Sometimes it quite obvious when someone is posing as a veteran, as for me, I simply ask (branch MOS ETS) etc and talk about similar experiences a conversation which upon its conclusion will tell me the truth and maybe lead to a new friendship.

Response by HA Jace Gallagher made Aug 6 at 2018 7:12 PM

2018-08-06T19:12:03-04:00

I do not confront people I suspect of stolen valor because of the chance of a real vet being humiliated by my actions. The phonies can say and do what they want. I didn't join the military to use it as a social status. I did it to serve my fellow Americans. If a stolen valor guy wants some unearned glory, go right ahead. If they use it for financial gain, it will catch up to them. If anything I'm glad these phonies don't understand why we fight because it means we did our job to protect them. I don't like it, but there is no real reason for me to call someone out.

Response by Cpl Jeremy Clark made Aug 6 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-08-06T19:57:25-04:00

I care to the extent that someone is fraudulently receiving veteran benefits that could impact other vets' ability to receive them. I think it is wrong, but I am not an LEO so I have no real authority to try and enforce such things.

Also, I am much more private. I am proud ofmmy service and what I have done, but I don't parade it around town seeking praise or approval. The vets who brandish their service as if society owes them anything more than the VA benefits is equally as unsettling to me l land I myself am awkward in the most sincere of TYFYS moments.

Frankly, I dont like attention and the thought of using vet status to draw more to me gives me a headache.

As for stolen valor, i recognize that there is often some deep sense of regret and/or admiration involved. For someone to put military service om such a pedastal that they would go out and buy all the uniform items and try to wear them for some sort of attention saddens me more than anything. For all the Sparta ethos we spew out as grunts, there really isn't anything glorious about war or military and I am generally just confused by how much some people romanticize about it.

Response by SPC Gerald Barber made Aug 6 at 2018 9:04 PM

2018-08-06T21:04:52-04:00

Really there just making fools of themselves as anyone that served can pretty much tell, as long as they don’t try taking credit for things in my face I just look at them and think a wannabe ! Not much can really be done . I know a guy that claims to be SF but have my doubts as he not good at taking any kind a weapon a part to clean . Up to including a ar . But I don’t say anything as he was in Service I believe he may have been assigned to a FS unit but that’s about all . Anyway it is what it is if someone want to be a actor they should move to California!

Response by SGT Thomas Boger made Aug 6 at 2018 10:51 PM

2018-08-06T22:51:47-04:00

I feel sorry for those who have to pretend to be vets, they must have very low esteam for themselves.

Response by PVT Jorge KaLtero made Aug 7 at 2018 12:57 AM

2018-08-07T00:57:55-04:00

Who died and put any of you in charge of anything? By the same token, who gave me the right to challenge anyone, fake or otherwise? You come up and ask me, I won't tell you anything about me, my time in service, nor my jumps at 0 dark 30... ...cause ...you don't need to know!

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2018 12:59 AM

2018-08-07T00:59:35-04:00

It’s a gamble for me, sometimes people wanna lose their minds because people are simply ignorant. Not “ignant”, ignorant; in the proper way it’s meant to be used. People are ignorant to what people have going on in their lives or simply why they have their hands in their pockets. Maybe people forget certain things, maybe people are just idiots and don’t understand the power of a uniform and maybe... just maybe... people TRULY can make a mistake. I’ll take this into one of my friends experiences, I’m with him, we are both army reserve, he is stationed in West Virginia as a combat engineer. He just got out of basic training and went to drill. He didn’t get his unit patch or anything yet. He went to a gas station to get a cup of coffee and an old man belittled him telling him to take his uniform off, he’s an a**hole, to show his military ID etc. meanwhile it was nothing my friend could help. Don’t get me wrong, if I see someone waltzing around a mall with no name tape and flag, something will be said by me. But let’s think a bit before we start losing our minds about stolen valor.

Response by TSgt Albert Van Slyke made Aug 7 at 2018 9:01 AM

2018-08-07T09:01:41-04:00

It hard to get upset about those who wanted to wear emblems that they did not earn. I remember when I came home in uniform and many civilians look at me with disrespectful eyes. I still was prove of being in the Air Force and those people now say "Thank you for your service". Everytime I hear those words I know they did not served. We must stop those who wear military emblem that are not earn when they try to say they earn it and leave the other alone. Hard to stop someone who pay for it just to wear the.

Response by SGT Jonathan Lubecky made Aug 7 at 2018 9:20 AM

2018-08-07T09:20:27-04:00

So this may need to be its own comment thread, but a question for those in leadership.

What would you do if a Retiree came to you and said one of your soldiers verbally accosted him, filming it, accusing him of stolen valor, etc (for the record the Retiree is legit). What would you do? Should there be a punishment? If so, what punishment?

Response by SR Chris Marchiano made Aug 7 at 2018 1:36 PM

2018-08-07T13:36:20-04:00

I’m not a full vet. So I don’t claim any benefits or anything. But when people ask me if I am a vet I say yes. I say that because I volunteered for service, and I may have not completed my full contract. But I still consider it an honor to be there. And it still goes back to the fact that I volunteered. I would volunteer again gladly. I do not think this is right. It’s really none of their business. Sometimes people have circumstances make them on able to complete their contract and some of those circumstances may beyond their control. So I definitely feel that this is a form of discrimination. Who are there to question someone’s service? If someone did this to me, I would immediately become apprehensive to them. Although I am a civilized person, this would be a very offensive and they are no friend of mine.

Response by SFC Butch Clackley made Aug 7 at 2018 10:41 PM

2018-08-07T22:41:39-04:00

I have had more people confront me and say I must be a veteran by the way I carry myself than wearing any medal I earned

Response by CN Joseph Gray made Aug 8 at 2018 3:08 PM

2018-08-08T15:08:43-04:00

I had a Friend that I sold my P/U Truck to... Several days later he stopped by Walmarts were I was set up collecting items for the VFW Carepackage Drive.

I Noticed that he had covered the back window and bumper of the back of the Truck with stickers Claiming that he was a Vietnam Veteran as well as a S/F Sniper and a CIB Badge with 3 Stars.... I invited him to come to my Post and drink a beer with me... Once there I introduced him to Real Men of Valor who actually served in Vietnam and Told them to take him outside and see what he's done to the truck I sold him!!!

I'm a Navy Sea-Bee So Never Would of put an Army Sticker on my Vechile as I'm Proud of My Service as a Sea-Bee and Despise STOLEN VALOR in any form!!! When I left the Post the Vets had him crawling around his truck REMOVING EVERY MILITARY STICKER on it with a butter knife!!!

Response by SGT Douglas Byrd made Aug 10 at 2018 12:24 AM

2018-08-10T00:24:10-04:00

Plain and simple, if I am walking through a cattle pasture and I see some cow dung, I step around it. I already know what is is and what it is about, no need to step in it to find out about it. We know the dung for what it is, smelly and harmless.

However, when it runs into the drinking water, you need to clean it out, and fix the problem so it does not happen again.

Response by MSgt George Rumbaugh made Aug 10 at 2018 11:27 AM

2018-08-10T11:27:03-04:00

I'm a USAF veteran and a corrections officer at a large county detention center. I used to meet many arrestees that claim they were Vietnam Vets. When asked what their MOS was, the ones who couldn't remember most often said they were tunnel rats, snipers, SF or Navy Seals. Then there were those who claimed they were Vietnam Vets who weren't even 16 years old when the war ended. I always called them out on it. Lately, I haven't seen many make these claims. I don't recall seeing any obvious posers in public. Depending on the situation, I may challenge them. Yes, it bothers me.

Response by CWO2 Richard Rose made Aug 12 at 2018 9:03 PM

2018-08-12T21:03:40-04:00

Sometime back I had spent the better part of the day at the VA Hospital. On my way home I stopped at a grocery store for a few things and when I got to my car some fine soul had written in large white letters on my windshield "Handicapped, really? You ought to be ashamed!" I have Disabled Veteran plates.... It just hit me wrong. I guess it was best that I didn't come out as it was being written onto my windshield. I have been retired for 23 years and I haven't gone any one of those years without major surgery for injuries in the line of duty. My generation returned from deployments to be ridiculed and spat on. I have no patience for anyone who demands such proof.

Response by CPO James Hunter made Aug 12 at 2018 11:13 PM

2018-08-12T23:13:49-04:00

I care, BUT
I used to go to veteran/ military events to be with others who have served, Brothers and Sisters, a common bond. Occasionally I would meet an over zealous “stolen valor enforcer”. It ruins the day,

Response by COL John R Coe made Aug 13 at 2018 7:09 PM

2018-08-13T19:09:08-04:00

Never mind the stolen valor; where can I get a costume like that one (above)?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2018 1:35 PM

2018-08-16T13:35:16-04:00

In the picture above, there is absolutely no “stolen valor” at all, just an idiot in a ridiculous costume

Response by SPC Joel Alioto made Aug 18 at 2018 5:10 PM

2018-08-18T17:10:47-04:00

I am a 50 yrs, old Junior in college using my GI Bill. My fellow student 25 and under wear Dog tags, bdu, Class A jacket etc. all through the school year. Am I going to be the old man in the classroom screaming at them about stolen valor when they are my T.A. tutors etc.?

A lot of my old uniforms I will never wear are seen as kind and thoughtful gifts when given out. It makes a great ice breaker, and has generated friendships. I just remove my name tag. And just like that the old guy is pretty cool. LOL

I asked one girl why she worn what she worn, She said" I wear it to honor the memory of father. These dog tags were his and he wore them, this bdu top was his, these are his qualification badges. I don't ever remember him not in a uniform, he died in the war and came home in a closed casket. This is all I have of him, I feel close to him when I wear them".
I ask you my fellow active and former service members, are you going to berate her and demand she take them off? I would be honored if my girls worn my old uniforms because they loved their daddy and it made them feel close to me..

Response by SSG Sofia Cardenas made Aug 23 at 2018 10:50 PM

2018-08-23T22:50:07-04:00

If a Servicemember is unauthorized to wear an award/badge not earned how is it ok for a civilian to wear such awards/badged??? I understand that some civilians wear such decorations to honor a Veteran that has earned the decoration, but for a no military relation civilian to wear such things in an unacceptable manner is offensive to me (in my opinion).
I did come across one guy that was wearing an Army PT uniform begging for money. So I asked him politely if he served. He said “no” and that just pissed me off, but I also didn’t put him on blast. I did give him my opinion and that he shouldn’t wear something others have earned.

Response by SGT Dan Howard made Aug 30 at 2018 2:15 AM

2018-08-30T02:15:18-04:00

The last idiot who told me i lied about my army service i told him i had nothing to say to him but if wanted to see what i was trained to do come and try it out personally. He never spoke to me again.
Assholes

Response by Sgt Josh Earsley made Aug 30 at 2018 4:04 PM

2018-08-30T16:04:07-04:00

I'm not cool with it. I've never seen it live. But this pic has to be a joke. Too many skulls. One's from Pirate of the Caribbean, I think.

Response by CMSgt Donald Felch made Sep 7 at 2018 9:03 PM

2018-09-07T21:03:16-04:00

I am one who does not care. In my 30 year career, I served. I know what I did. No amount of fakers wearing stuff they didn’t earn takes away from me. There are already laws about fraud if they decide to make money or get gain through faking. If all they want to do is wear a set of chief stripes or a set of medals—no skin off my nose. Thanks

Response by Sgt Andrew De Leon made Sep 11 at 2018 12:14 PM

2018-09-11T12:14:18-04:00

I noticed its mostly the young vets that are walking up to a lot of old vets and asking proof, yes its wrong to lie about military service but cmon you guys, we need a better and wiser approach, it makes us look bad when we start pushing real vets around asking for proof, and a big majority of these people acting like war heros have some kind of mental illness

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Sep 13 at 2018 2:38 PM

2018-09-13T14:38:39-04:00

If these individuals are actually collecting benefits (VA, Social Security, fraudulent hiring, etc.) then they should be held accountable for that. But for those idiots who dress up with a bunch of medals and stand around on street corners, I just feel sorry for them. I am very reluctant to censor someone else's individual right to self-expression --even when that expression is offensive. Unless said expression is actually, provably harming someone then it's not any of my business. That's how I feel.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Sep 18 at 2018 5:32 PM

2018-09-18T17:32:52-04:00

I served the 1/509th ABCT and was in service from 71 to 74 so what Viet Nam Era. Often when out an about I will be wearing a 509th Airborne cap or one from the 82nd Airborne. What I usually do when I see another vet is go over to say hello and say thank you. A lot of the Viet Nam vets like to talk as so many are suffering from agent orange. I have met plenty of veterans this way from all different branches of service and times of service. One thing that happens when we talk we talk about where we served. This is usually a dead giveaway. Those that have not served will try to make something up and I can usually catch them in a lie. If not I let sleeping dogs lie. I am not looking for trouble but I earned my jump wings and I am proud of them. It disgruntles me to see someone wearing wings when they haven't earned them. It angers me that people can go out and buy a CMH or Silver or Bronze Star, or Combat Infantryman's Badge/ and other medals and wear them when they haven't earned them. Unless they are acting like a total fool and disrespectful out in public I blow it off as stupidity so far I never had this happen. Just lucky I guess maybe it the fact that I live in Texas and we have more respect for our military here.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2018 11:54 AM

2018-09-23T11:54:28-04:00

Why should it matter to me if someone wants to play dress up?
Nothing they're doing adds to or detracts from my experiences in the service.

Response by PV2 Robert Litman made Sep 30 at 2018 11:11 AM

2018-09-30T11:11:00-04:00

I am a veteran that has never seen combat and I feel as though I am guilty Of SV because it is only natural that people associate veterans with combat! I Would like to wear a black beret but am afraid of being accused of SV!

Response by PV2 Robert Litman made Oct 2 at 2018 6:05 PM

2018-10-02T18:05:17-04:00

I have absolutely nothing to prove my military service except my DD 214 after my discharge in 57, am I a stolen valor because I AM NOT GOING TO CARRY IT ON MY PERSON!

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made Oct 5 at 2018 7:51 AM

2018-10-05T07:51:44-04:00

I got into a debate with another Marine about a uniform issue. Stuff I hadn't really thought about in over 25 years and I misspoke, sort of. Because I wasn't 100% correct, the guy went full tilt "poser" mode. He next demanded the admins "investigate" me as he was sure I was a fake. I had to LOL at the guy's manic behavior and if anything, I felt sorry for him that he had so little to do with his time and this is what he chose to concentrate on. In the end it took the admins confirmed my veteran status and he wound up looking unhinged. So much so that he got banned from that forum.

If you're one of these types who lose their sh1t on a hair trigger, you need to re-evaluate your priorities. There are a lot, and I do mean a lot of really bad stories out there of people falsely accusing actual vets of stolen valor and then really hurting people.

This right here makes me sick:
https://www.usmclife.com/2015/10/fallujah-marine-veteran-beaten-over-mistaken-case-of-stolen-valor/

Fallujah Marine veteran beaten over mistaken case of stolen valor

A Marine veteran who fought in Fallujah was attacked by an airman who believed he was lying about serving in the Corps. The Marine veteran, Michael Delfin

Response by SGT George Duncan made Oct 5 at 2018 10:41 PM

2018-10-05T22:41:20-04:00

they can't steal mine

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2018 1:55 PM

2018-10-06T13:55:03-04:00

Honestly I think it come down to the priorities of those who feel the need to do the exposing. I feel like I have better things to do than chase down someone wearing ACU pants and ask if they have their 214.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Oct 7 at 2018 10:36 PM

2018-10-07T22:36:59-04:00

How do you get mad at the mentally ill?

Response by PO3 Jeffrey Hoover made Oct 11 at 2018 11:46 PM

2018-10-11T23:46:52-04:00

I care and we have a former Marine who is a Sen from North East, who lied about his heroic years in Vietnam!

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Oct 18 at 2018 7:24 AM

2018-10-18T07:24:46-04:00

Oh wow! Lol
But to answer the question, I have never ran into these individuals. If I ever do, I won't make a big scene like most of us seen on videos clips. I understand we would feel some type of way, especially those who have deployed, left our love ones back home. But we have to conduct ourselves a certain way, and not yelling at someone from across the parking lot.

Response by PO1 Robert Kay made Oct 19 at 2018 2:42 PM

2018-10-19T14:42:34-04:00

I guess we have a certain US Senator from Connecticut to thank for this ...... Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) had claimed in a few speeches of his time in the US Marine Corps.... (Reserve). He had been given 5 deferments from the draft...and on the sixth one he was denied. Rather then enter service as a regular soldier and possibly go to Vietnam, he enlisted in the Marine Corp Reserves. Back in the late 60s, it was full of rich kids betting the war. He later implied in his speeches of being there --- "when I was in vietnam, we..." and "getting off the plane many of us were accosted---." It was later proven he never left the states during his time in the military. I have been questioned once about being in Vietnam. This is something I cannot actually prove do to the nature of my job and security clearance, but I am proud of my service in the US Air Force durning the 1960s. I would never just go up to a complete stranger at a Veterans event and ask for proof of service.
Now if that person is wearing a uniform and medals and not wearing the proper medals for the time, or if he is wearing the uniform with the wrong patches, then hell yes I am going to question his service. But if everything is correct, then why would I want to?

Response by CPL James S. made Oct 19 at 2018 11:01 PM

2018-10-19T23:01:21-04:00

Just to be clear right off the bat: I dislike stolen valour a great deal - but I won't challenge someone unless I know for sure or it's very obvious they're not military

I am a STEM graduate with experience as an investigator, and I still have the mindset that I should be factual and have my sh*t together when dealing with any suspect person. I served in the Army and Air Force, and I have awards from both - my chest candy tends to draw considerable attention (even when I was on active duty I had problems with that). So I also know what it is like to be falsely accused of stolen valour, and by my own 1SG to boot.

I like to be sure of what I do, especially in today's climate of hostility. It's not about "not caring" in my life: it's about facts before jumping to conclusions.

I have a friend who is now being cared for in the VA hospital. He has dementia. He is a Marine, a mentor, and someone I've always looked up to like a brother I never wanted... He has been forgetful and challenged for wearing his uniform. He gave strange answers to the people who challenged him. But he has dementia. He can remember being in 'Nam, but can't always remember his unit. Or what year he was there. or why he was awarded his medals. or his wife and kids.

He is the reason I like to be sure before I get worked up about stolen valour.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Oct 22 at 2018 1:41 AM

2018-10-22T01:41:47-04:00

I, personally do care about the "Stolen Valor" issue, however, some judge somewhere ruled that "Stolen Valor" to some, was 1st amendment protected to others; go figure. So what does one do?

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Oct 25 at 2018 9:40 PM

2018-10-25T21:40:06-04:00

While I care very deeply about this issue, I'm in agreement with most here. You even look like you're going to approach my comfort zone and ask for my papers please, I will consider you an enemy combatant. I go to the VA and laugh at the entrance signs where it states "No Weapons Allowed". Every F'ing one of us was trained to be a deadly weapon. I have that don't talk to me face for a reason. Besides the 1000 yard stare, my Uncle Sam gave me that look for your protection as well as mine.

Response by CPL Peter King made Oct 28 at 2018 1:21 PM

2018-10-28T13:21:31-04:00

We can probably all spot a Walt.

With the British Army we have the “Red book” that details your service. We also have our dog tags released, that contain name, number, blood group.

And no one forgets their service number (after the first few times in the gas chamber)

You can figure out the recruit Depot & Corp by the first four of the number.

Response by PO2 Vince Walsh made Oct 28 at 2018 11:21 PM

2018-10-28T23:21:42-04:00

If a guy wants to pretend to be an astronaut, I personally don't GAF, if he bullshits NASA and they let him take the space shuttle for a ride I might say something, might not, depends what's downrange. We are living in a time and place where truth is whatever someone says it is. A woman as white as wonder bread claims she black, shocked her parents, she could see no reason to accept reality and continued her fantasy while serving as the chapter president of the NAACP, a sixty five year old, mentally ill, male Olympian declares himself a chick and gets named the first "woman of the year" who sports testicles. May God have mercy on your soul if you dare question any of this. So in my opinion, some half wit wearing a trident, or a drunk in a bar telling a girl he's a Delta operator with a sack full of scalps out in the car are not new. I'm sure that back in the day, some imbicile looked over his shoulder, before he started explaining how General Puller (col at the time) would've never got out of Chosin if it hadn't been for him. At the end of the day, the people who matter know bullshit when they hear it.

Response by SFC Terry Howell made Oct 29 at 2018 11:58 PM

2018-10-29T23:58:51-04:00

It normally is obivious whn awards and decorations don't match, the uniform. A few simple questions provide the answer. If they are fake they normally just disappear.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Nov 5 at 2018 4:33 PM

2018-11-05T16:33:39-05:00

I would not say I do not care, more that I have more important things to do then worry if some chucklehead is faking the funk, and it can absolutely backfire on you if you accost someone who is legit. If they are scamming the system, you would get better results by reporting it to the system administrator - if they are just faking the funk, you can let them know in a non confrontational way that you are on to them - bottom line is - is it worth the time energy and emotional capital to berate them, in public, for it. For me, Confrontation is a triggering effect, and I really do not like myself when it occurs, as I sometimes do more then I intend.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2018 9:24 AM

2018-11-17T09:24:32-05:00

Because it doesn't diminish anything that anyone who has been legitimately commended has done. Also, valor is neither tangible, nor property, so it can't be stolen. It isn't a zero sum thing where if one person makes a claim to an accomplishment that it takes a legitimate claim from someone else.

All that, plus I just don't get all up in my feelings about dumb stuff.

Response by MAJ Ramon Claudio made Nov 26 at 2018 12:47 AM

2018-11-26T00:47:26-05:00

As a veteran, it used to upset me, but as a law student I’ve learned how much more important the 1st Amendment is over my feelings; especially, since I put my life on the line for 22 years to protect the Constitution.
Civilians who wear unearned decorations are ignorant of what it takes to actually earn a medal or a badge, and so when they wear them they are nothing more than hollow accessories with no greater significance than a broach or an earring. Now, as far as servicemembers who embellish their achievements, I’m still working on overcoming how much that upsets me.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Dec 2 at 2018 12:52 PM

2018-12-02T12:52:43-05:00

If a veteran is not carrying proof of service on his person he should simply tell the questioning person that he will see them in court if they want to make an issue of it.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2018 8:22 PM

2018-12-02T20:22:29-05:00

It depends on the scope of the question. By "don't care," do you mean "no fucks given," or do you mean "don't like it, but ain't going to lose our shit over it?"

I'm guessing for most of us, it's the latter.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Dec 3 at 2018 12:28 AM

2018-12-03T00:28:34-05:00

These mentally ill clowns are such losers they have to fake something important in their lives. We had one where I am from who claimed he was a hero in the battle of the Bulge who won two silver stars and was wounded three times in the December 1944- January 1945 battle. It turned out he was drafted in May of 1945 at age 18 and released in April of 1946 and never left the states. He at least served in WW2 from May of 45 till the end on Sept 2, 1945. His job was to process Military men when they returned back to the United States from the war Everything else he said to people was a lie.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Dec 3 at 2018 7:07 AM

2018-12-03T07:07:03-05:00

Since this phony, wannabe culture has reared it's ugly head, I've found it's pretty easy to spot a phony. There's really no need to be obnoxiously proactive. It does happen. I've had guys question the four campaign stars on my VSM.

Response by SP5 Alan Morland made Dec 7 at 2018 9:37 PM

2018-12-07T21:37:25-05:00

Some of this stolen valor can be attributed to mental illness. Others are people with moral weakness a lack of honor. Its my opinion that anyone boasting about themselves is probably making it up. In any case confronting these people is a general waste of time.

Response by Sgt Anthony Leverington made Dec 10 at 2018 1:03 AM

2018-12-10T01:03:32-05:00

It's not that I don't care, I just don't go looking for them.
Here in my little corner of the world, we have Marine Reservists, Young Marines, Army National Guard, Civil Air Patrol and the Georgia State Defense Force, all of whom can be found wearing dress uniforms or ACU's at any given time. The GSDF and Young Marines both have civilians in their ranks.
With the GSDF it's easy to tell. Where the branch name would be, it simply says GEORGIA. With the Young Marines however, their dress uniforms look nearly identical to the real thing. If I remember correctly, the rank insignia is slightly different though.
I was in the GSDF for 7 years. I had to quit though, due to heath reasons. They are all unpaid volunteers who do a lot for the community.......everything from security at various events to search and rescue. Most are prior service but, there are plenty of civilians too. Thanks to some prior service people with really good connections, they get plenty of surplus uniforms and equipment, and even a few vehicles. So far, 1 HMMWV that I know of and 2 Deuce & 1/2's. 1 runs and the other is basically for parts and that's just the unit here in my town.
Sorry, got off topic there but anyway.........

Response by CPL Erik Gonzalez made Dec 11 at 2018 12:40 PM

2018-12-11T12:40:32-05:00

As long as no benefits are being rendered I could care less. What someone claims they did or did not do will not alter my life in the slightest bit. My 13 year old son, on Veterans Day likes to put my CIB and wings on his jacket along with his USMC cap that my close friend gave him. If anyone ever came up to him belittling him about it, I would make sure you would be picking your ass off the floor. So should my son be accused of stolen valor because he has my pins on? And if you come question me about my sons pins that he has on his jacket I'm going to tell you to go F yourself because I don't owe you any explanations about my life.

Response by SGT Fredrick Ramm made Dec 13 at 2018 2:14 PM

2018-12-13T14:14:30-05:00

Oh, I've been on this forum once before! I volunteered 3 year RA 11E on 12 SEP 1969...by the way, there was a war going on; OK...I was told what an idiot I was, for many years. No, I did not see combat, but I was sent to The 4th Armored Division in (then) West Germany. I served with The 4th for 1 year and 3 months (apox) and while there serving, I had more in common with the TV Show "Hiil Street Blues" than I had with "Tour of Duty". Yep, all the same characters and situations; just change the uniforms from blue to OD. If you don't believe me, just check The Book "The Fighting Pattons" Chapter 14; my daily job, was to put up with the fall out from Vietnam, like George Patton 3rd did! Whether any one likes it or not; I was part of, in a strange way, The Vietnam Era experience. I ETSed, as a Sgt E-5 with Good Conduct 1 and half months before my 21 birthday...I could have went back to high school, but I already graduated.
I wear a 4th AD Veteran's Hat with a SHAPE Pin on it, two years ago, while at Newark Air Port (heading to my mother's funeral in Arizona) some clown, while snaking through the TSA Line, kept eye balling me and my hat. About the third time, I said: "Yeah, it's for real!" Grant it, I have never looked my age, even after Cancer and By Pass Surgery, but I had to explain to this clown: "I'm now 65, I was with The 4th, 1 year and 3 months, and had the MOS of 11E40R6 when I was a Teenager and I served with George Patton The 3rd, even on his staff TDY...OK Buddy?" I usually accent The 3rd (it was later changed to the 4th) because most clowns, that goes in one ear and out the other.
The Clown walked away, from in front of my family, kind of white...funny Audie Murphy and David Hackworth had the same problem, as I did. Basically I don't wear this hat because of getting a discount at McDonalds, but people are nice to you, instead of calling you a "Baby Killer" like they did in 1972 or prior to 9-11. What I really like about that hat, bottom line, is, meeting Old Proteges...we are a few and forgotten breed.

Response by Pvt Robert L. Lamoreaux made Dec 17 at 2018 11:08 AM

2018-12-17T11:08:26-05:00

I SERVED in the Marine Corps for 6 weeks (MCRD/PISC) before receiving an Honorable Discharge (about a 40% high frequency hearing loss). I didn't EARN an EGA, nor can I call myself a "Marine". Yet those 6-weeks changed me in a very profound and life-altering way. I incorporated the values I learned during those 6-weeks into my life and have tried to pass them on by example. At age 69 and 70, I volunteered as an Instructor with my local chapter of Young Marines and ran and did PT with the "recruits". I pushed them - and myself. And I quietly gave them encouragement when they faltered. If I could, I'd go back to PISC tomorrow to complete the remainder of those 6-weeks. But I realize that I'd still screw-up in COD, because I can't distinguish drill commands.
What upsets me about many of the "pretenders" is that they have never set foot on a military base and, for whatever reason - usually one of self-value - adopt the story but not the culture. They have no conception of the meaning of DUTY or HONOR or LEADERSHIP. And in that lack they demean those who have "been there".

Response by SSgt Joshua Sacasa made Dec 23 at 2018 1:51 AM

2018-12-23T01:51:50-05:00

My first year out of the military, I was definitely "that guy" on Veteran's Day, calling people out for mismatching uniforms, medals pinned to BDU's, etc. I had a strongly held belief that the fakers, demanding free stuff/attention/whatever, made us real veterans look bad, and I didn't like how the uniform was being disrespected.

I live in New York City. 6 years later and after meeting with veterans from all walks of life, you really can't know 100% if someone is a "faker" or has gone through some type of trauma/mental illness. I'll buy the dude/gal a meal or cigarette and keep it pushing these days if they look like they're in need. You just never know. I'm no longer "that guy".

Response by Sgt Chuck Hallbert made Dec 24 at 2018 7:38 PM

2018-12-24T19:38:44-05:00

I got out because of unnecessary and retarded regulations. Why would I want to enforce them for free? Lol

Response by SGT Xenophon Garcia made Dec 27 at 2018 7:53 AM

2018-12-27T07:53:22-05:00

Most of the time, these "fake soldiers" are just mentally ill people. They need help, not ridicule. When a judge gets arrested for trying to get Medal of Honor plates, I take interest.

As for the guy in your photograph, he looks more like a show man. It's a bit ridiculous, but show people are like that. I could see Elton John wearing a jacket like that.

Response by LTC John Griscom made Dec 27 at 2018 9:31 AM

2018-12-27T09:31:37-05:00

Find it was best to do research before confrontation. Was a TAC Officer for an Officers Basic Course in 1971 and a new 2LT shows wearing two rows of ribbons. One on the top row was light blue was five white stars. My brain actually worked for once and took over my mouth. Checked his records and he had been a Navy Corpsman who jumped on a grenade where he was treating wounded Marines.
Grenade did not explode.
Don't think my career would have lasted long if I had acted first.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Dec 27 at 2018 12:00 PM

2018-12-27T12:00:12-05:00

Here is why I 1 don't really care 2 find it not important to pursue. I served during three wars and or conflicts and 22yrs of active service joined the VFW after retiring (life time membership) and was told at the VFW by some snot nosed little brat NG/VET. SGT AT ARMS That I did not belong in the VFW. So I Quietly got up reported to the commander informed him of the issues and told him I was leaving and not returning have not returned since. It is not worth it. This group or Generation or what ever you want to call them are animals they will eat their own to gain recognition. I know what I have done it have my DD 214 and Retired ID Card to prove it nothing else matters.

My U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Card is not a proof of Military Service it is a ID used to Identify a person having heath care issues being taken care of by the V/A Military Contractors can get them as long as the have a need. Yes they are easy to Replicate.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2018 8:17 PM

2018-12-27T20:17:04-05:00

Looks more like the President of Mexico to me

Response by Sgt Jude Eschete made Dec 31 at 2018 9:12 AM

2018-12-31T09:12:40-05:00

Please show me an instance where a person who is guilty of Stolen Valor is applying for and receiving official benefits from the VA or any sort of healthcare. The most that these people could get is early boarding on plane, or a discount from a restaurant. Is SV disrespectful, sure it is, but making an ass of yourself to call them out is as well.

Congress has already weighed in on the issue, it prohibits those "who, with intent
to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit," from wearing anything that can be misconstrued as having served.

Response by LTC Gregory d'Arbonne made Jan 5 at 2019 3:30 PM

2019-01-05T15:30:40-05:00

As someone who has actually caught two cases of Stolen Valor and ensured they were exposed I caution that harassing someone who cannot prove on the spot they are fakes is fraught with issues and could insult someone who legitimately is wearing or claiming the truth. The ones I exposed took several days of investigation and I ensured I had all the facts before i exposed them. One was exposed in public and fired from his job. The other was exposed privately so as not to embarrass him in front of others but he wore his not earned medals at a ceremony he knew I was not attending but the pictures taken showed me he did. I spoke to him again.

Response by COL Robert Griffiths made Jan 19 at 2019 1:55 PM

2019-01-19T13:55:04-05:00

Samuel Johnson once said, ‘Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea.’ (with apologies to the Air Force who were not around in his time). Some cannot come to terms with it and don uniforms and medals they never earned. I do not mean the historical re-enactors, that is their hobby. I mean what we Vets in UK call "Walts" after Walter Mitty (a person, generally quite ordinary or ineffectual, who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs). Its a sad fact that there are a lot of "Walts" about these days. If you feel like challenging them, a couple of simple, polite questions that only those who have been there know the answers, usually suffices to see them off.

Response by PO1 David Jordon made Jan 19 at 2019 4:28 PM

2019-01-19T16:28:05-05:00

well,as an old salt, i can tell you this.i have enough to worry about just minding my own business.but, if i wereto see someone who is taking ad vantage of something that is reserved for veterans, i will say something. but, if i see some kid walking around with tons of ribbons and metals and he is fresh off his momma's tit, i'm not going to worry about it. karma will catch up with him.
it seems to me that we worry about others way too much.you know how you teach the younger generation? you set a good example.you live like your brothers and sisters who have passed on would want you to live. and bustin' some wannabe's chops and risking that mentally deranged kid to go off and stick a knife in your gut or pull out a pistol and fill you full of holes isn't setting a good example. and is not going to do your day any good, either. if you see somebody using their fake military service to get benefits or something that is reserved for veterans only, then , by all means,that is not only wrong,it is illegal.but some kid walking around in BDU's,is not hurting anyone.let the kid have his fantasy. we got the memories of reality.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Jan 24 at 2019 8:06 PM

2019-01-24T20:06:32-05:00

Most have mental health issues. Many have their stuff so far from correct it is not a uniform anyway it is a tv prop. I love to listen to their fantasies it is entertaining.

Never be mad that someone is so impressed by what you did in your life that they fantasize about living your reality! It doesn't diminish anyone.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Jan 26 at 2019 2:47 PM

2019-01-26T14:47:43-05:00

Personally I would hesitate unless they were attempting financial gain for the same. To me they are not any different then some newly fresh out of AIT trying to impress some young thing with their combat stories.

Response by Sgt Stephen Murphy made Jan 27 at 2019 8:44 PM

2019-01-27T20:44:34-05:00

I've seen many videos of vets confronting people for stolen valor. In many of them it shows almost immediately that the person is suffering from mental disabilities. Others are stupid kids who have no idea of what they are doing. They few who are actually out there trying to profit or sway influence with their fake service are often very good at hiding themselves. Do you think the dumb kid wearing camouflage at the mall with and EGA on the pocket, ribbons and medals from multiple services, identifying himself as Marine recon, Army Ranger and Navy Seal at the same time is fooling anyone and taking anything away from those of those who actually earned any of that? So if someone is profiting, yes I care and I love to see them exposed. However most of what I see is people who need to relax a little.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Jan 29 at 2019 5:12 PM

2019-01-29T17:12:49-05:00

There are some that think they are entitled. You are needing to let others live and stop being idiots. The ones that judge are fools and I have been accused of being a fake and fraud...if you have questions-approach with respect and then learn with maturity and STOP being an assuming jerk and making fellow veterans and those serving look like clowns; we already have a clown in PA Ave. that is a coward for dodging service and not caring about no one but himself.

Response by TSgt Derek Smith made Jan 31 at 2019 10:03 AM

2019-01-31T10:03:07-05:00

Well for me there are already too many things going on in my life that actually affects me that need my attention. I have no time to worry about what some knuckle head chooses to do with theirs. So perhaps deep down it bothers me, but not to the point that I need to chase down or confront the posers and risk being in a fight or getting shot.

Response by SGM Thomas Terebesi Sr made Feb 4 at 2019 12:33 PM

2019-02-04T12:33:09-05:00

There are some that never served and claim they did. There are also others that served and claim medals that were not awarded to them. One of them in my unit was reduced from E-7 to E-6. At least for him justice was served. The penalty should have been more severe in my opinion. After spending 36 years in the military I can tell who the fakes are within a few minutes of conversation. Fake IDs will not get them through the gate with the tools MPs have.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2019 1:28 AM

2019-02-06T01:28:51-05:00

A lot of homeless people wear Army Uniform( especially around Army posts) to stay warm. Lets consider them using that clothing as a protection from the cold and not as stolen valor. Personally, I find it extremely petty and overly proud to walk up to someone demanding they open their clothes.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2019 10:59 PM

2019-02-06T22:59:10-05:00

Agreed

Response by MSgt Darren VanDerwilt made Feb 7 at 2019 11:05 AM

2019-02-07T11:05:00-05:00

Well, some wanna-be wearing a uniform because they have character flaws, is not the definition of stolen valor. Falsely portraying oneself as a veteran in order to receive a benefit, is the definition of stolen valor. Much like certain notables passing themselves off as Native American in order to surpass their peers under misguided affirmative action practices.
Herein lies the crux of the matter, government sponsored special treatment based on race, ethnicity, nation of origin, or gender (or how someone "identifies"), and prior military service, results in citizens and politicians gaming the system in an ever increasing process of one-upping each other. This runs counter to our nations founding principles, and flies in the face of equal treatment.
You want to fix the "stolen valor" issue? Then remove the incentive.

Response by CPL Joseph Wightman made Feb 7 at 2019 11:32 AM

2019-02-07T11:32:25-05:00

Most of the time it is someone slightly mentally handicapped and they want to emulate someone heroic they feel. If it’s used to defraud someone then it’s bad but most of the time it’s someone that admires servicemembers

Response by Sgt Wayne Miller made Feb 9 at 2019 8:43 PM

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If someone wants to pretend being something they aren’t, that is on them and they have to look at themselves in the mirror. If pretending to commit fraud, there are laws that cover those situations. Not really my place to judge or confront them.

Response by CAPT Carlos Flanagan made Feb 10 at 2019 9:38 AM

2019-02-10T09:38:27-05:00

I guess it all comes down to how to approach a faker. Personally I would not get all up in someone's face. That said, if someone is wearing a trident and time permits, I would ask them with which team they served. It is very simple to ID a fake SEAL. If I determined they were fake, I might politely ask them to remove the trident. I have found that when the person knows that I know, they become embarrassed and I am embarrassed for them so I will allow them to gracefully save face. If they persist and are doing so in an inappropriate manner (speaking at a function/saying that they represent SPECWAR), then I know a guy who knows a guy that takes the next step to getting them to stop and making them known as a faker on social media.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Feb 10 at 2019 10:54 AM

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I don't question others as to their military service, it's none of my business. I look in wonder when I see stories on the media of fakers who have been caught wearing military uniforms with awards or rank they never earned. When I was a police officer, there was a guy where I worked who claimed that he had been a Navy Seal and openly bragged on it. He had a big wood carving on his mantel of the Buds insignia. I checked with the Navy Seals Association and he had never been a Seal. One night we got a call to his house for a disturbance and he started going off about his service as a Seal. I asked him "Did you swim around the harbor and beg for fish when you were a seal?" That set him off and I told him I know that you were never a Navy Seal. He shut up and we finished our business there over an argument between him and his son. He kept claiming he was a Navy Seal up to the day he died. Turned out he was in the Navy as a cook.

Response by SSG Severin Parra made Feb 10 at 2019 3:45 PM

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I don't care because people have a first amendment right to bullshit whoever they want.
The one caveat I have is when individuals use stolen valor to defraud the government or charity organizations to receive benefits.

Response by SFC Ronald Hebert made Feb 10 at 2019 5:54 PM

2019-02-10T17:54:10-05:00

I have no problem producing my retired military id and top it off with my retired police id cards. Been having a military id card of the Navy or Army since 17 years old going on 80. Served 24 years with PD + 4 years Viet Nam era of which cost me $12,000.

Response by Nathan Oram made Feb 11 at 2019 12:06 AM

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I am a staunch supporter of Veterans, hence why I am here. At the place I last worked at, which shall remain nameless, the person in charge of Veterans Affairs, a retired One Star General pressed a company logo'ed 'Service Pin' into my right hand as she shook it. I was honored to receive the gift, and wore it proudly on my uniform blazer lapel, without fail, every day I was on duty. But since I am not a Veteran I was always VERY careful, knowing that if someone saw this pin on my lapel they would assume I am a veteran. I always told the whole story about how I received the pin and why I wore it.

When I left that position, two Veterans who worked for the company each gifted me with a challenge coin.

Response by PO2 Justin Denslow made Feb 11 at 2019 6:06 AM

2019-02-11T06:06:02-05:00

I have watched as a recent boot that just got home on hometown recruiting duty demanded proof from a marine veteran that i know quite well in town. he then proceeded to humiliate this Korea war vet as he verbally assaulted the man just for wearing a marine corps veteran hat. i think that this stolen valor has become a thousand pound gorilla. its better that we have 10 frauds than one real hero defamed by his own brothers in arms. we use to call the idiots that did stolen valor in my day naval exchange heroes. lets pull back at least 10 notches and reign in this gorilla.

Response by CW4 Robert C. made Feb 11 at 2019 7:59 AM

2019-02-11T07:59:15-05:00

Ok I have gone through and read a lot of the responses here. Though my personal thoughts are that any poser be taken out back and shot. But again I held my hand up and said that I would support and defend the constitution. That being said I am not one that would go on a tirade confronting someone about their valor. That is not my place, sure it bothers me that they are faking the funk, but if it makes them feel better, then who am I to say that they can't where it or claim it. I am not going to run up and say show me your VA Card or Retiree card, or your DD 214. I think that if someone did that to my dad I would have a cow and be all up in someone's face. My dad served in the Berlin Brigade when the wall was being built and he doesn't need to prove to anyone that he served. So instead of trying to go after those with stolen valor why not just let them be and talk with them and see if it is true or not. If true then help them out if they need it, or just say have a nice day and move on. No need to confront, that is just being aggressive and that is a problem. So I care, but I am not going to hunt people down and if someone confronts me, I will more than likely respond like the LTC Mathews and tell them to F@#$ off. Have a great day Veterans.

Response by Maj Dennis Turriff made Feb 11 at 2019 3:10 PM

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I feel sorry for this pitiful fools that feel a need to pretend to be more than they are. As long as they’re not impacting me or my family, then carry on. However, if they are benefiting from the blood and sacrifice I’ve given, then I have an issue. But if someone gets groggy and wants to question me...good luck. I’d actually enjoy it.

Response by CN Johnny Campbell made Feb 11 at 2019 6:28 PM

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How do these Rambo, show me your papers, people feel about the Hollywood crowd, who lead the wave against the military, while making a living off of portraying military heroes?

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Feb 11 at 2019 7:00 PM

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CPT Tommy Curtis.. Here is my take on it. I have made it my mission to shake every Veterans hand I come in contact with and thank them for their service. If they are wearing a hat or shirt, I never ask them for proof, it would be inconsiderate. There have been several who tell me they wear the hat in honor of someone or support one of the service academies.

Response by SGT Bobby Mitchum made Feb 11 at 2019 8:02 PM

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I don't wear nothing i didn't earn

Response by SFC Mark Lathan made Feb 11 at 2019 9:40 PM

2019-02-11T21:40:05-05:00

Let me quote my wife's grandfather, a WWII B-26 Marauder pilot (if you know the history of the Baltimore Whore, you understand why him being a surviving B-26 pilot is significant): "Just ignore the fakers, and they will go away! There's so many of them, because they are getting the attention they want, even when it's bad. I don't understand why current generations of vets are so full of themselves, that they are attacking others."
The current stolen valor hysteria is fermenting from the same self-entitlement sewage, that is driving the current Social Justice Warrior psychosis. Too many younger vets think their 2 to 4-year service is so holy, so divine, that the slightest afront to it is a capital offense. A few years ago I was accosted in my own front yard for wearing my Boonie Hat, by two Gen-Z stolen valor vigilantes. These SV Brown Shirts, are the same ones that prance into a business, rub their service in everyone's face, and throw a fit when they don't get the 10% discount they believe they are entitled to.
After 25 and retirement, I have much better things to do with my time, than walking around with a huge chip on my shoulder; perpetually offended. Quite frankly, until one does 20+, spanning 4+ conflicts, SV warriors don't have the right to be offended by anything. Even then, keep it to yourself.

Fear any old man, in a profession where one usually dies young-anon.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2019 3:17 AM

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What does someone else's fraudulent actions have to do with me? Do their actions invalidate my legacy of actions? I am student of the Stoics, and will not allow my peace to be disrupted by another man's inner chaos, unless they should bring their inner war to me.

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Feb 13 at 2019 3:39 PM

2019-02-13T15:39:46-05:00

No ones ever accused me of stolen valor, but then again who says they served in the Coast Guard that didn’t? A little self deprecating humor to lighten up the day!

Response by Capt Thomas M. Rutherford made Feb 14 at 2019 9:59 PM

2019-02-14T21:59:46-05:00

I do care. Being older myself, and therefore more educated, experienced and wiser, I don't want to go out of my way to "hunt" for posers. When younger veterans challenge older alleged posers they should keep something in mind. Looks usually don't tell the truth. Perception can be as damaging as reality. The "poser" may have medical challenges, especially dementia. The person may indeed be a veteran; however, he/she may not remember how to properly display articles of clothing and attachments. They may feel very proud of their time serving our country. They attempt to display something to let others know about their dedication.
Recently, I've been totally amazed at the number of older Marines who cannot recall their recruit platoon number. As a former Marine Drill instructor at Parris Island (19067-68), I thought every Marine would remember this kind of significant trivia. One learns something new every day.
I would ask that veterans challenging alleged posers treat them like they would want to be treated. Some day, the challenger(s) may be like the "poser". In cases where the "poser" is really a veteran, I can't imagine the hurt the victim must feel.
Well....that's about all I have to say on this subject. I hope my thoughts help at least one person.
Semper Fi to all, especially my Marine brothers and sisters.
Tom Rutherford, Sr.
Captain "Mustang" U.S. Marine Corps (Ret)
Director, Special Security, Space & Defense (Ret)

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2019 4:36 PM

2019-02-17T16:36:02-05:00

It is not 'apathy' nor 'indifference' but an inability to do anything about it. Those, who have served honorably and understand that sacrifice it takes to earn nearly everything we put on our uniform, our liberal court system made it legal for anyone to wear anything while impersonating an honorable service member. While a citizen cannot impersonate a member of Congress, an officer of the law, first responder or many other professionals, our courts have ruled that there is a First Amendment right to impersonate an honorable service member. Personally, I'd rather these individuals be pilloried in the public square on the first offense and drawn and quartered on the second offense for impersonation. However, unless the individual claims and obtains benefits, under false pretense, committing fraud by deception, our courts have ruled that these reprobates are within their rights to do as they wish.

Again, I refrain from verbally or physically assaulting such individuals because doing so would place me in jail. It is Orwellian. "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Feb 17 at 2019 6:49 PM

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I quote:

"I would like to think deep down we all really do care about exposing phonies especially when they are wrongfully receiving benefits that the deserving need. "

What exactly do yo think they are getting?

You can not steal valor. Everyone I talk to knows how to check to see if someone is a real soldier or not, because I TEACH THEM.

For every valor award that is given out, there are probably 10 that went over looked.

When the bronze star was created it was retroactively awarded to anyone who had been issued a CIB.

The MOS of Infantry did not exist until after WWII, it was created when the blue cord and disks were authorized in an effort to get people to enlist in combat focused, or infantry, MOS. That means there were tankers and other people who were not "grunts" awarded the CIB when it was first created. It also means that we did not need to make the CAB (Combat action Badge) because a bronze star with V would have sufficed for all non Infantry personnel (Air medal with V for any who fly). Bronze stars can be awarded to people not in theater too, it is an ACHIEVEMENT award not a valor award. There was a guy who never deployed in my Squadron in the Navy from the first gulf war, who ran the Relief society, who was awarded a bronze star for achievement for his effort in supporting the deployed troops families.

Medals don't mean shit. Most of the people who got medals in my unit were administrators or AGR guys who pulled strings back at state HQ. Hell there have been people, in the modern age, awarded the medal of honor FOR FUCKING BEING FAMOUS. I.E. Douglass McArther. I am sorry, but the MOH requires the loss of life, or the near loss of life, and being present while you are losing your fucking command doesn't qualify.

So no some dumb ass saying he was DELTA, or that he was awarded the MOH of honor, and can't tell me how to zero a weapon? o, he doesn't bother me.

The guys who brother me are other soldiers who make themselves sound like they are fucking Rambo. Chris Kyle, Marcus Lutrell, and any other person seeking fame form his service turns my stomach. Not Only did Chris Kyle lie about what he did, claiming more awards, and then of course claiming to have even killed US citizens on US soil in violation of the posse comititus act, but Marcus Lutrell makes all the other people on his team sound like pussies in that fucking movie.

The founding fathers were anti-military and anti-chilvaric order, and we have pissed on that notion so much that there is a fucking award for just about everything possible in the military now. So, much for the "unsung hero". And do not get me started on the fact that awards now have a minimum RANK to receive.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Feb 18 at 2019 8:03 PM

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Honestly. I don't care because its just not high on my task list. My life has to many things to worry about than some idiot who is trying to get a discount or try to look important. Also I live in Okaloosa County FL and we have Eglin AFB, Herlbert AF (Air Force Spec Ops) and Army 7th Group. So we just have to many folks in uniform for it to be a big problem. Also I have never found the need to correct an active duty soldier as many are quite professional while out in public. I do often wonder why I see so many AF personnel shopping at Walmart in uniform as that was always a big no no while I was in the Army but my sister who is AF and actually was stationed at Herlbert for three years has remined me often that the AF does things differently than the Army.

So to sum it all up, as long as a joker isn't trying to financially scam folks its not in my sector of fire.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2019 7:32 AM

2019-02-21T07:32:42-05:00

Agree all...Its the "youtube" generation, sadly...

Response by CPT Keith Whitter made Feb 22 at 2019 10:47 PM

2019-02-22T22:47:59-05:00

Interesting thread. I suppose it really does not mean a rats ass of difference in everyday life. Draw the line when the guy tries to use his military service record (especially if a falsehood) to try to get some advantage - like that Senator from some Northeastern state who used his fake Vietnam story to get elected. If it is just some old guy BS'ing - does it really mean anything in the long run. The men who have served will know the difference.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2019 11:07 PM

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I see it as a by-product of mental illness and I feel sorry and embarrassed for anyone who has such a low self estrem that they have to pretend they are someone other than who they are.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2019 1:42 AM

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It's gone too far especially when you see people confront someone and it turns out the person is completely legit. I had never been accused of anything until recently I posted my pic of me in uniform. I had worn the uniform after being retired for 29 years in honor of a 29 year Marine CWO at his funeral because I knew him for several years and he worked for me in corporate security. I posted that on a Air Force Security Police Facebook page.
A member took off on my photo saying I was wearing a purple heart and it wasn't in the proper order. I explained that wasn't a purple heart, that it was an Air Force training ribbon (everyone gets one). He still accused me of wearing a purple heart. It wasn't until another officer who I had served with spoke up plus others corrected the guy. So this wasn't someone accusing me of stolen valor but they might as well have been as they were insulting my integrity.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Feb 25 at 2019 8:03 PM

2019-02-25T20:03:45-05:00

I know this question is dated, but RP emails it to me, and I feel compelled to say something, because I've gone from not caring too much to caring more than a little, depending on circumstances.

This last election cycle, I was going to run for state house. I changed parties too late, couldn't qualify for the ballot as a result of a new election law, and so we sought a placeholder candidate. He decided rather than be a placeholder, he wanted to run himself. It was fine, he was a fellow veteran and was ostensibly engaged in a 501c3 dedicated to veterans in agriculture.

But then I get a call from a newspaper reporter who had pulled his DD214s. The guy had an honorable service record, went from the Guard to active duty, even worked as an intel analyst at the Pentagon, but the problem was there was zero overseas service. No overseas service ribbons, no time mentioned, no theater awards, nothing. This wouldn't have been a problem had he not claimed to numerous people that he served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and had PTSD.

I kept my mouth shut and we traded places on the ballot. It was important to have a strong candidate regardless, though both myself and our county party chair (a veteran of the Korengal) have overseas time on our DD214s. We were both really angry that we had been lied to (and he had put our names in his mouth when he tried to lie his way out of it with the paper), but getting into that would have made my late entry into the race that much harder.

But then the poop hit the fan - he was arrested for animal abuse, numerous other charges started catching up with them, and there was some sense that he had possibly embezzled money from the 501c3. No charges pending on that—yet—but time will tell. He even got lovely exposure on This Ain't Hell.

And it's a damn shame, like I said, his service was honorable, but he ruined it by embellishing, and using that embellishment to advance a goal. The worst part? He's got a horde of civilians hoodwinked, in spite of numerous veterans saying, "doesn't matter if he went on 'classified missions', time spent overseas for an E-5 intel analyst will show in the appropriate box on the DD214." Nothing bothered me more than two long-serving veterans having civilians defend a verifiable liar to us, as if we just didn't know.

And that's how it is with these Stolen Valor cats - show me an instance where it doesn't involve at least larceny or some other theft by deception crime, and a significant plurality of these hosers have domestic violence convictions looming or in their past.

Now, I don't want to check every dude at a Memorial Day parade, but I think if we work in the charity sphere, or politics, or anywhere else, we need to demand DD214s that match claims made. It feels like necessary due diligence at this point.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Mar 1 at 2019 5:25 PM

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In cases of obvious stolen valor, I have no issue going at someone, especially if they are trying to get discounts or freebie benefits. If they are just walking around doing nothing, I don't worry about it. If someone is talking to others verbally making claims, I may say something as well depending on the situation.

Too many friends did not come home and many more of us were injured/wounded to just turn the other cheek in all situations. To me, it is an insult to those who served and more so to those that served and never came back home. While I do not go out of my way to confront someone, if it is clear or obvious, you can damn well bet I will say something.

Response by SGT Dean Graves made Mar 3 at 2019 5:38 PM

2019-03-03T17:38:40-05:00

Stolen valor is traitorous in my opinion.

Response by PO3 Douglas George made Mar 11 at 2019 10:09 AM

2019-03-11T10:09:44-04:00

if you just cuss them out in proper military fashin they will get it.

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made Mar 11 at 2019 9:31 PM

2019-03-11T21:31:01-04:00

I’m a retired veteran going through school on the GI Bill. I get my benefits and go to school. If someone asks or if it comes up in conversation, I tell them I’m a vet. Otherwise, I don’t usually wear Veteran stuff. So when people wear their service all over their clothes, cars, etc, I just ignore them because they obviously only want the attention. And if they’re not actually vets, then there’s something mentally wrong with them most of the time. And if you wear all that shit on you just to get a discount, you can just show your ID. I’m not gonna pass on a 10% discount on a $2,000 TV, so I simply carry my ID.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2019 8:08 PM

2019-03-13T20:08:18-04:00

Sometimes it appears many do not care. Very little has been said about U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut. In spite of being 'found out', he doesn't appear to have any shame.

Response by SSG Steve Collins made Mar 18 at 2019 11:49 PM

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It just doesn't bother me. I've seen it before in an airport and it just makes me feel sorry for them that they don't have enough pride in their own identity that they have to make up a fabricated backstory in order to feel good about themselves. I also see the videos of the people raging out at these people in public and I just think that those people have the opposite problem, that too much of their identity and pride in themselves is tied up in their military service. It makes sense that as you get higher in the ranks or your time in service grows that more and more of your sense of self gets tied up in the whole ordeal, but in the end, it shouldn't be the only thing that defines you. I just think those people that get all raged out about stolen valor scenarios have drunk too much of the koolaid. I just look at is as someone with terrible self-esteem playing dress-up in hopes that it will make them feel better.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2019 7:22 AM

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Imitation is flattery to some. In my experience I have told people that were young and wearing issued items that they might benefit from going to meps and earning it. I tell them they might feel better about themselves and get to peak behind the veil as we have. I had one former friend lie using my stories mixed with his bull that got a lot of discounts and free drinks. I told him simply that he needed to make the lie true and go swear in. I felt a disgust, but more of a pity because he will always wonder what he could've been and getting likes or high fives from strangers is a cheap shallow substitute to having dug a fox hole, commiserating with brothers while embracing a whole lot of suck, and for all the insanity of barack's humor. Our experience is transformative and bond is to both the living and the dead. Our brothers have marked and unmarked graves, live without legs, sometimes under bridges, and some have come far in civvies while others went full native. Remember, "I serve the lifetime of the United states and live the army values" before accosting someone. That being said, in 2015 I did kick over a 42 year old homeless guy's sign when he asked me for money while I was in PT uniform because his sign said he was a Vietnam vet and he told me his age during investigatory dialogue.

Response by PO1 Mike Edgecomb made Mar 19 at 2019 3:32 PM

2019-03-19T15:32:20-04:00

Stolen Valor and wearing uniform items are two different things.
Stolen Valor is when an individual uses false information to receive something tangible, or something of value.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Mar 19 at 2019 5:41 PM

2019-03-19T17:41:32-04:00

Well, the photo depicts an idiot, not a stolen valor guy at all. He looks silly and I'd take a photo of him just to show around. For all of my travels I've never seen one that would qualify as SV. I've seen bunches wearing all or pieces of uniforms but they aren't claiming to be vets. As my fatigues were almost indestructible I used to wear them while working...now we have a fairly large population of Mexicans who buy them because they're cheap and durable but they wear the fatigues, never the dress uniform. I live close to Fort Bragg, N.C. so we're really used to seeing the actives and the vets but we just don't see the impersonators. I imagine an SV wouldn't stand much of a chance on Hay Street or Bragg Blvd.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2019 4:37 PM

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I have more than 30 years in and don’t care. First, I’m not walking around with copies of people’s DD214, nor mine. 2nd, guys lie all the time to impress a girl. What’s the difference, other than they are trying to impress the rest of us. If they are using it to steal benefits, that’s a different question,

Response by SSgt Robert Gainer made Mar 20 at 2019 6:32 PM

2019-03-20T18:32:04-04:00

I have to agree with LTC Michael M. and add other than the I.D. cards ans some VA cards, most things that prove anything have SS#'s on them! Its just stupid to show them to Strangers.

Response by PO2 Richard James Burgess III made Mar 21 at 2019 4:26 PM

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Someone I know, (and the rest of our group along with him,) once got kicked out of a place for making a big deal out of someone "impersonating" an officer and the rest of our group was treated like we were wrong for "letting it happen" as well when we didn't even really know what was going on at the time. Quite frankly, I don't think it is worth it, it isn't going to change anything, and the vast majority of these cases are a non-issue and most people wearing anything service related damn well earned it, so I agree with everyone else saying let it be lest you make a big deal over nothing or wrongfully accuse someone and look like a shitbag yourself.

Response by SPC Jimmy Bussey made Mar 21 at 2019 5:38 PM

2019-03-21T17:38:15-04:00

One problem is as bad as the other.

The way I see it is that anything stolen from one of us is an assault on all of us, and that includes goodwill.

Response by CW4 Richard A. Dropik made Mar 21 at 2019 5:44 PM

2019-03-21T17:44:32-04:00

There are getting to be more and more of what I call "sicko’s" out roaming our Country trying to make distrust the norm. I will say that I do not put up with any of their attempts to discredit myself or any other American Patriot,"Veteran" or for that matter just any other person. I am more than uncomfortable with this activity and actions.

Response by CPO David Marlowe made Mar 21 at 2019 7:32 PM

2019-03-21T19:32:22-04:00

As long as my retirement check gets deposited the first of each month, I can care less about the want to bes.

Response by CDR Rich Tilghman made Mar 21 at 2019 8:18 PM

2019-03-21T20:18:00-04:00

To ACTUAL Veterans, most phonies are obviously fake and/or mentally ill....sadly to the civvie public, it detractsfrom actual Veteran's service. ..when I see an obvious fake, I point them out to younger vets/active duty guys for a "talking to" ;)...if that doesn't work, I call a cop.....in Hawaii where I live, usually works....small place, lotsa military.

Response by MAJ Graham Bishop made Mar 21 at 2019 10:23 PM

2019-03-21T22:23:28-04:00

Life’s too short to chase down imposters.

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Mar 22 at 2019 10:57 PM

2019-03-22T22:57:32-04:00

I am totally against individuals who attempt to enrich themselves by claiming to have served, however I have to share some history from my life having served and had family who served. My only point is to say that if my Grandson wants to put on my fatigue or dress jacket out of love and pride that I served, I would hope he never gets hassled by someone for it. It is my property after I left service right? Let me go further back than my service years January 1977-January 1980. Prior to that time I had a cousin who was in the Navy and I as well as other kids from our neighborhood would wear family members service related clothing. Petty coats were all the rage back in the late 60's and 70's, but we were never once hassled by anyone. When I came home a local kid who was quite enamored by me asked if he could buy my Army fatigue jacket and I sold it for 25 dollars. He bragged about who he got it from and I was happy that I had some appreciation for my time spent in Germany guarding the German Czech border. Neither our Vietnam or post war veterans got much appreciation or recognition then. One last thing, along with the point made in the above post. My Son who achieved the rank of Sergeant for his time in Iraq in 2005, who lost 45 fellow Marines and 2 Naval Corpsmen, was challenged at a local bar by a fellow claiming he was a former Navy Seal no less. He was a drunk and should have gotten a beat down for his stupidity. He did later when a local Vietnam Veteran support group recognized what he had done. So yes I care, but not to the point of accusing someone I do not know. NFB - None of my Fu**in Business.

Response by SGT Mike Moschkin made Mar 22 at 2019 11:09 PM

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There are less then 1/12 million Vietnma vets still alive yet census says there are 5-6 million ! I really don't give a shit about them as long as they stay away from me !

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Mar 24 at 2019 12:29 AM

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Honestly, I have bigger problems to worry about than some fool posing as somebody he’s not. Most of them are so far out in left field that the average person sees through them anyway.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Mar 24 at 2019 8:03 AM

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I DO NOT GIVE A RODENT'S RECTUM I STILL WANT MY GOOD MEDAL!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to pull that one on me I will pull out my HR 2018 credentials that allow me to carry a first arm and tell them to kiss my white Spanish glutious maximus!!!!!

Response by SPC Peter Battin made Mar 24 at 2019 3:41 PM

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I encountered a gentleman recently at an event honoring the military. He was wearing a Vietnam Vet hat, when I asked him when and where he served in Vietnam he said he never was in Vietnam, he served in a Germany but was a “Vietnam Era Vet”. The guy was 70+ so I didn’t say anything but I admit I was a little annoyed.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Mar 24 at 2019 3:51 PM

2019-03-24T15:51:11-04:00

I know that some young kids go down to the Army/Navy store and buy their medals and ribbins, but I know that I have earned mine and I have the paper work to prove it. My service for my country is very important to me, and always will be. I have read the Book "Stolam Volar" by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley. And I really thank themn for the work the word they did on the bopok. I wish that others would do the same for wars after Nam.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Mar 24 at 2019 5:35 PM

2019-03-24T17:35:54-04:00

There are lots of wannabes...I see a serious difference between some fool kid wearing a 9ID Riverine T-Shirt and claiming to have been with the division in Vietnam -- helluva good trick, kid. Guess your dad was in the division and you were there on a cellular level -- and someone drawing benefits from the state or the government. And, I agree completely with Mike Matthews. If you're going to lie to get some adoring barmaid to say "Thank you for your service..." you're seriously sad, or to get a half price entree at Sizzler then you're so useless as to almost as funny as disgraced.

You want to know how to recognize a hero...they don't talk about it. Without knowing it, I was on duty in the G3 at 9ID during the division's inactivation period. Some Vet came in because he had given away his last Division Challenge Coin, but wanted to pick some more up. Well, I got him the address so he could get more -- had it in my rolodex, remember those -- and then thought, give me a minute, Sir; let me check something. Turns out, I had about six in my desk for no good reason I could think of. (Only carry one...and one from Discom, and One from 3rd Brigade and you know how that goes.) Mine was in my pocket, so I gave him six. He tried to pay me, and I said, "Sir, please don't insult me. Motorized..." He grinned, shook my hand, said not my intention, son..." and left. Then I got a call from the Command Group -- CG had just been informed that one of our MOH recipients from Vietnam and wanted to make certain someone downstairs in the G3 knew it.

Yeah, and then I went up and briefed the SGS and then the CG about the unknown Vet who came to visit. And, picked out his picture in the Wall of Honor. Should I have demanded proof that he deserved those coins? Think not. Should he have been wearing his ribbon or medal? I think not. Neither did the CG -- I was working directly for him on readiness as we killed the living division, and something that made us both sad normally, got grins from us all.

Let the wannabes and neverwases all burn in hell; identify them and laugh at them, but don't sweat it. The universe will set it right eventually.

Response by SPC Renato Villorante made Mar 24 at 2019 7:41 PM

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I don’t have a problem with civilians dressing up to pretend they’re one of us. Nobody can take away what my battle brothers and sisters did for the millions of Kuwaitis we saved from Saddam Hussein and his Republican Guard. The gratitude from the King of Kuwait to our POTUS in Desert Storm and Shield, was enough for me to fulfill my military career. The issue appears to me, a combination of entitlement by our younger vets (rightfully so) and insecurity. It seems like a Millenial veteran’s issue, and contrasts with the warrior values that my Vietnam vets bestowed on my generation coming up through the ranks in both the 3rd Division (REFORGER) and the 1st Cavalry Division in the 90’s. I don’t feel any animosity to the those who fraudulently pretend to be one of the brave of our country’s warriors, and I don’t begrudge younger vet’s their vitriol since they are entitled to their personal pride in their military career accomplishments. I just think in time, this animosity towards stolen valor will pass as the Iraq / Afghanistan vets age and life continues to humble all of us. Thank you to your father and you for your service.

E4P Mafia: Cold War & Desert Storm Vet; 2-32nd Armored Combat Regiment 3AD, Kirchgöns, Germany (REFORGER) & 1-9 Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft Hood, TX. (1990-1998) Honorable Discharge with Army Good Conduct Medal. Combat mech 63 Bravo.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2019 10:55 AM

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Most vets are willing to talk about their service if they know your a vet, especially if they are in uniform. A short conversation could tell you if they served. It seems pretty difficult to accuse an actual veteran of stolen valor. They just have the knowledge to prove it by talking to you.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Mar 26 at 2019 7:00 AM

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I wish like Hell some no count would question me!! When I wear my pink Army Vet cap. We should all take offense at being questioned. Oh and my ret airforce and ret navy brothers would loss it if asked, and I hope knowone ever ask my little couse who was shit 3 times, blown up once and still went back to fight. Really I hope one of those videos fame seeking ass___@## ask the right person so they can get their a@@ kick. What do i care if some loves the thought of wanting to be in so much that they fake it. Leave me alone.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Mar 26 at 2019 2:03 PM

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Response by SPC Scott Bernard made Mar 27 at 2019 10:49 AM

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I've been one of those vets that got approached. I was wearing a veteran hat and a man approached me on the bus and asked me if I was really a vet l, or did I buy the hat online. I told him both, then explained that they don't just issue veteran hats when you get discharged. He then asked where I served, so I politely told him right here in the National Guard. I then put my headphones on and ignored him the rest of the ride. He didn't have a camera, but he was talking loud enough for the whole bus to hear trying to call me out over a hat. I wasn't even wearing any piece of uniform. It was aggravating.

Response by Howard White made Mar 27 at 2019 1:08 PM

2019-03-27T13:08:14-04:00

I do support the exposure of individuals who are stealing the valor of actual combatants !

Response by SGT James Copley made Mar 27 at 2019 2:15 PM

2019-03-27T14:15:23-04:00

Why bother, now a day what we did douse not matter. So why should it matter if some one want to take what we did for them self.

Response by SSG Philip James made Mar 27 at 2019 2:17 PM

2019-03-27T14:17:47-04:00

My general response to any question about my service is "Why do you ask?" There's not a person alive that I feel obligated to answer unless I'm requesting some sort of benefit because of my service.

Response by CW4 Glen Nardin made Mar 27 at 2019 6:33 PM

2019-03-27T18:33:54-04:00

Shall we dig up Michael Jackson and convict him of illegally wearing military rank? I think if someone is claiming to have had previous service, and it is not defaming the American soldier, sailor, Marine, then just let him go. For Pete's sake, States are letting marijuana users not be a crime now… is this worse than that?

Response by PO2 Jenn Marshall made Mar 28 at 2019 6:46 PM

2019-03-28T18:46:32-04:00

Let me offer a response I haven't seen here. I work in the entertainment industry now. I am an actress. Sometimes there will be casting calls that specify they are looking for veterans to play veterans or active duty service members. One, it looks good for clients to hire the real thing. Two, they don't have to teach civilian actors what it took us months to learn--marching, saluting, facing movements, how to put together and wear the uniform properly. It's a win-win. Do people lie about being veterans to get these opportunities? YES. There is one female here who has booked THREE national commercials as a result of lying about serving. That is approximately $40,000-$80,000 she has made based off a lie. There are REAL veterans here who could have used the 10k-20k she made in each commercial. It's ridiculous and an insult to those who have served and signed a blank check to Uncle Sam.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Mar 29 at 2019 9:47 AM

2019-03-29T09:47:15-04:00

This is really nothing recent, let alone new. In the early 80s there was, some of you may recall, the Darrow J "Duke" Tully incident. Tully was the publisher of the Phoenix newspapers and had constructed an extensive but totally false USAF career. Credit, where credit is due, as a young man he tried to get into the Air Force but was rejected for eyesight issues. His deception was so extensively backstopped that he was supposedly given stick time in an F16 out at Luke AFB when they were training pilots to fly them. He had befriended John McCain early in his political career. He had no military service at all but wore LtC oak leaves and had a salad bar that Audie Murphy would envy.

Response by PFC Shawn Imlay made Mar 29 at 2019 10:01 AM

2019-03-29T10:01:55-04:00

well shit … I can see both sides of the Argument I Served , My Father Served , My Uncle Served , and I had Great uncles who dies , on both sides of the family back to the 1700's When A Lt. Gilbert S. Imlay Served in the First Continental Army (God Rest Their Souls) but as for me personally here's the Rub in all this … every Vet page or organization inevitably has that one snotnosed little shite stain acting like a POG who feels the need to call someone out on their service … Kids fight wars we all know that by now , and God Bless them , what they don't realize is every 5-10 years some branch of the military apparently feels the need to change all the nomenclature's , and all the anachronisms … as a result old troops like myself will get called out because they don't list something with the new identifiers. The other issue is that I think a lot of these kids cant let go … they are so High-strung now they need someone to fight … really it was the same for a lot of us near as I can tell since the 1700's or farther, Bad relationships , trouble with the law , addictions , suicides. Its especially worse now 22 right? The individual attacking you usually do not know , These actions are isolative and hurtful. In many cases it can be the last thing a Soldier has to cling to … That Brotherhood , his or her last bond , last sense of belonging in an ever increasing unrecognizable civilian world and it can cause long term and irreversible damage and for what?
So some C**t with low self esteem diddles himself to sleep at night wishing he really was one of us , maybe his old man was , or his uncle , he can't or won't hack it for whatever reason. So he gets his wick dipped from some one ignorant who buys into his bull shite so what? I know some of you guys , I know who put socks in their pants when they went to clubs , got news for you in 50 years and from a lot of exposure more than a few of you have bullshitted your way into someone's pants and worse. We're Soldiers not Saints … well a few are but your Fuc**ing annoying anyways … So they get free Pancakes so what? Its Risk vs Reward. I'm a man with a spine and huge set of hairy nuts and most of all a perfect understanding of who and what I am and would never risk harming a Real Brother for some poser POS who never had a Daddy and whos Low self esteem leads him to want the respect we earned and he can't ...so near as I can explain it THATS why I call people on their behaviors when I see this Shite going on SCOUTS OUT! HHC 1/8 1st Cav

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2019 11:17 PM

2019-03-29T23:17:25-04:00

It's just not my problem honestly. Let's say this. If your a fake and I know your a fake and you know your a fake I'm not the one who's gonna be on my death bed with a lie of a life on my consciousness. I care more about the endgame and how I get there not strangers.

Response by LTC David Howard made Mar 30 at 2019 5:45 PM

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To some degree I believe in live and let live. Sometimes the line might be fuzzy between "stolen valor" and just a bit of embelishment, i.e. "war stories" by the story teller. And while I have never put anyone through the 3rd degree, I have asked questions out of normal curiosity. Just a few weeks ago at a sandwich shop I saw a gentleman about my age with a baseball cap reading "85th Evac Hosp, Phu Bai, RVN" so I had to go and ask when he was there. Turns out he was a surgeon at that hospital during the same time frame that I was with the 326 Med Bn, 101st Airborne (Air Mobile) and we would normally bring the wounded that we picked up to the 85th, or the 95th in Da Nang. I thanked him for his service and he thanked me for mine. But several years ago, sitting with some neighbors in an RV campground around a fire, one guy was talking about "cutting off the ears of gooks" when he was in Vietnam. Something about his tone and manner made me instantly sure he was a total phony. I asked him what unit and he said he couldn't remember. I asked him where in RVN he was stationed and he said "Its been so long, I'm not sure exactly where I was". In front of the group I said "I call bullshit!" If you were for real you would never forget your unit or where you were. My guess is that you were a damn draft dodger who is now ashamed that you never served." He got up and left the group, and I moved on the next day on my trip.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2019 8:52 PM

2019-03-30T20:52:58-04:00

Those who play dress up neither add to, nor take away from my experiences.
They're just playing dress up.

Response by HN Richard Duncan made Apr 7 at 2019 12:33 AM

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I care, I got out in 91 from active duty from the USN. I did not go to the VA for health care until 2001. I didn't start wearing anything from the Navy until 2012. I never attended a Veterans Day ceremony until my son invited me in 2018. Because I did not feel worthy of attending. I am not combat. And that's the reason, I feel that I don't need the recitation, of the combat vets.

Response by SPC Cesar Freytes made Apr 8 at 2019 3:28 PM

2019-04-08T15:28:17-04:00

Most stolen valor or fake vets have mental problems some do it for other reasons but Ill be damn if I'm going to carry a DD214 in my pocket on veterans day when I wear a t shirt of past unit pride. I don't see the people asking stolen pride folks showing their credentials, that's just the moral side the legal side is freedom of speech and invasion of personal space, mama taught me two wrongs don't make a right suck it up and drive on troop and stop doing uniform inspections in the real world. Military standards are for the military. It bothers me too but so do a million other things . Choose your battles in life.

Response by LTC Gene Moser made Apr 11 at 2019 12:56 PM

2019-04-11T12:56:12-04:00

If he's like the clown in the picture, this is not stolen valor. A five year old would know this is a fake,

Response by SGT Gilbert Sandoval made Apr 20 at 2019 11:05 AM

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I don't know how one would wrongfully receive benefits. I had to provide proof( Honorable & DD214),of service. Medical confirmation of Agent Orange. I have 2 Honorable Discharges, I served in the Air Guard. When asked I show my VA Id, and a card copy of my DD214. The I tell them to Fu*k off.

Response by SPC Eugene Ruschenberg made Apr 30 at 2019 3:11 PM

2019-04-30T15:11:10-04:00

My question is why would someone care. Yes, there is always self righteous indignation, "my buddies died for this..." and this is how he (and for simplicity I'm sticking with the masc. pronoun) disrespects them. Or someone grafted the VA, even they would see through this guys clever disguise . But usually it's guys that are ashamed of what they actually did or didn't do when given the opportunity. Guys that have mental illness, guys that are at rock bottom and begging for their existence, or kids emulating their heroes by dressing up. Sometimes heroes are the ones that act with compassion and not force. The Ribbons, medals, and awards are merely symbols for who you are in the inside.

Response by SGT Adam Minkler made May 5 at 2019 9:53 AM

2019-05-05T09:53:55-04:00

1) if someone can steal your valor, than you didn't have any in the first place
2) Freedom of speech as a principle
3) Taking oneself too seriously is a character defect

Response by Pvt Tim King made May 5 at 2019 3:56 PM

2019-05-05T15:56:28-04:00

Having long hair and being very left-wing which is likely reflected in much of what I wear I suppose I'm the last guy that looks like a former US Marine but I have a couple of Marine Corps t-shirts and hats that I wear & if any of these people hassled me and demanded a card I think I'd drop them right on the spot with a quick punch to the jaw.

This whole notion of veterans not getting benefits because a couple of idiots lie about being a veteran is ridiculous. That rates up there with the younger vets pressuring older vets at the VA and making them feeling like they're taking up the time and space and resources that are needed by the Iraq and Afghanistan vets.

This is what you get when your country is as jacked up as the United States. Our wars are stupid and mean nothing and gain nothing except death.

Get over it with your Stolen Valor crap.

Address things but don't make it into a national sport.

That's my two cents.

Tim King

Response by Sgt Scott Sullivan, CCNP, CCNA, Security+ made May 6 at 2019 1:06 PM

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Its quite simple. No veteran or active duty member has any authority over a civilian or veteran. There are many laws in many states as well as at the federal level that apply to stolen valor and many other laws that have no bearing on stolen valor, yet unless you are law enforcement or in another position of legal authority, you are limited to tactful, non-harassing, interaction with the individual in question. Anything beyond that is simple that, harassment. There are ways to deal with these situations outside of making a public scene or trying to go viral on Youtube. In many of these cases, I see a lack of professionalism in the way service member react and in many of these cases, the persons in question clearly have psychological issues.

Response by Sgt Eugene Knop made May 6 at 2019 2:41 PM

2019-05-06T14:41:06-04:00

I run a USAF Veteran plate. Shuts them up. Have to show DD214 to get it.

Response by SPC Jordan Sutich made May 11 at 2019 6:58 PM

2019-05-11T18:58:22-04:00

It's a very tough situation for sure. We're all brothers and sisters first.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2019 9:06 AM

2019-05-12T09:06:25-04:00

Most of the videos I’ve watched it’s obvious that they are confronting mentally unstable people. What’s being proven at this point? If someone is trying to get some financial benefit from faking their service then yes tear them down but let’s leave obviously unstable people who are just walking through Walmart alone.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2019 9:44 AM

2019-05-12T09:44:33-04:00

I think the better question is what gives you the right to demand to see proof?

This stolen valor witch hunt has got to stop, its embarrassing and is discrediting the service.

Response by MAJ Michael Jernigan made May 12 at 2019 9:26 PM

2019-05-12T21:26:33-04:00

I care about Stolen Valor, but humiliation of a senior citizen and fellow veteran is wrong! I don’t even like if you feel you in your superior wisdom know better.

Response by SGT Sonny Belleiu made May 13 at 2019 12:03 PM

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Not to get political here, but I will anyway.
This could be outside the realm of the "Stolen Valor Act", but the supposed act of claiming to have served in a conflict to possibly achieve a public office in my opinion is Stolen Valor.

Sadly we have one serving in Congress. Not to say he is not actually a Vet, but his claim of having served in a warzone have be proven a lie.

I suggest Richard "Da Nang Dick" BLUMENTHAL-D Connecticut be removed from office ASAP. Just the hint of impropriety by his false claim could possibly lead to his election to the House. More sadly the people of his district continue to reelected him. So what does that say about them?

Response by SGT James Colbert made May 13 at 2019 3:21 PM

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It is too prevelent a problem..i served with a CSM as a GS civilian, who went to apply for a higher position and got bustes for having awards on his chest he disnt eRn and got busted..i dont k ow what happend to him afterwards....but my point is, if they ha e to wear valor they didnt earn or be awarded, then there is a deeper issue than a stolen or un awarded medal or badge

Response by SPC Billy McLaughlin made May 14 at 2019 4:06 PM

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I don't know who's faking or not, what they've done as opposed to what I've done, their experiences over mine. Plus calling someone out as a faker does nothing to improve my life, or my veteran brother's or sisters lives. Calling someone out as a fake does nothing but put them on social media, it doesn't harm them in any way, in fact, you often get them more positive exposure as they can just say you were being a dick.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2019 7:50 AM

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I've just seen it go wrong so often. Someone who did serve, but isn't wearing the uniform right. Confronting women who served with statements like "that parking spot is for Veterans, not wives of Veterans".
I just don't have the time or energy to chase down every person trying to get a 10% discount at Lowe's or a better parking spot to see a copy of their DD-214. I just don't really care. I only really care when someone is trying to use fake military service to get real benefits, like VA medical care.
So, I don't care about exposing phonies. The reward is basically nothing, and the risk is real.

Response by Sgt Harlin Seritt made May 15 at 2019 8:05 PM

2019-05-15T20:05:11-04:00

Because it's none of my business and it doesn't cause any true harm. Usually when people do this stuff, they're mentally ill. I'm proud of my service and would do it all over again but I'm a civilian now. I have no interest in confronting people over this stuff.

Response by TSgt Gary McPherson made May 15 at 2019 11:00 PM

2019-05-15T23:00:23-04:00

For me it would depend on what they were doing..Applying for benefits is a no no If just walking around showing off then I more then likely say nothing.This is a scary time now.Never know what that person will do.Could be 5150 of just looking for attention..Remember for every action there is a reaction.

Response by PO2 True Spence made May 16 at 2019 12:22 AM

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I differentiate between the con artists and the sadly demented. Stolen valor, to me, refers to the scumbags that do careful research, put together believable lies, construct authentically looking uniforms, and then use all of that to advance their position in life socially, financially, or what have you. Those people need to be confronted and stopped

Wannabes with mental problems who make laughably pathetic fake uniforms and wander around in a fantasy of longed-for glory are more to be pitied than anything else. You can confront them if you want, I just shake my head and walk away. They're not hurting anybody and I don't get off on kicking puppies.

There may be some overlap between the two groups, but that's basically how I look at things.

Response by SPC Stephen Kraft made May 16 at 2019 9:51 AM

2019-05-16T09:51:55-04:00

Unless someone is wearing an actual Medal of Honor, I wouldn’t care in the least. Maybe I’d make fun the poseur with the CIB and CFMB on his Air Force uni, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to.
Now, if I see an MoH around the neck of someone who doesn’t warrant it, thats when I’ll get involved.

Response by 1LT John Neil Jednoralski made May 16 at 2019 5:24 PM

2019-05-16T17:24:49-04:00

I am the reverse of your Stolen Valor. I was awarded a Bronze Star and Army Commendation Medal in the field by the Bn Adj, Vietnam, and never received the orders, because I was honorable discharged a few days later. Check my officer evaluations with the 36th Engr Bn (Const), 1971. I was the Bn asst S-3. The 36th Engr Bn (Const) was a Distinguished Army Unit in 1971, probably because of my wotk !!
I was told the Army Commendation Medal was on recommendation of Commanding General Engineer Command Vietnam.

1LT John Neil Stevens Jednoralski

Response by SGT John Pearson made May 18 at 2019 10:26 AM

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I do care, but I was wearing my old boonie one day and some jerk comes up and says "Did you earn that hat or did you go out and buy it?" While I believe non vets pretending to be vets shouldn't benefit from it, we don't need to go around being dicks about it.

Response by SP6 Joe Countiss made May 18 at 2019 2:39 PM

2019-05-18T14:39:41-04:00

I wear an Army hat with my rank, unit crest and a tank on it. I've only been asked once why I was wearing it. This came from a Vietnam vet less than 10 older than I am. I politely told him that 6 years earned the right.

Response by CPO Mark Robinson made May 19 at 2019 10:02 AM

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It was late in the afternoon back in the early eighties when I walked into a little pub restaurant in Cheyenne Wyoming. There at the bar were a marine and sailor in uniform with a couple of women. The Marine had a Vietnam ribbon along with some other stuff and the girl is chatting it up about how this guy is a war hero. So I said oh really and she said yea look at his three purple hearts (wearing ribbons) and I'm kind of looking confused. She said right there and pointed at his good conduct ribbon with two stars and the whole time that Marine is starting to sweat bullets. I let him off the hook by commending him on his heroic action (or inaction) and then left with a little chuckle under my breath. I just thought of that old country song about how he would lie for her love.

Response by SPC James Howard made May 19 at 2019 9:01 PM

2019-05-19T21:01:14-04:00

I agree you should expose phonies, but not everybody is a phony. some people just aren't right in the head and they want to be military but can't. they don't know any better but shouldn't be harassed for . like the picture above shows that boy ain't right in the head. so check them out before you jump them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2019 10:06 AM

2019-05-20T10:06:22-04:00

I care and when I recognize it - by all the tell tell signs I call them out. I’ve been called out myself once, but after seeing my retired government military ID card they apologized and left me alone. What’s really BS is when they get caught nothing really happens to them.

Response by CPT Phil Bronner made May 22 at 2019 7:13 PM

2019-05-22T19:13:06-04:00

I'm more concerned about the Stolen Valor exhibited by some of our politicians.....People like John Kerry and Richard Blumenthal, or for that matter, LBJ should be impeached 2 seconds after they're elected.

Response by SPC Ramon Urias made May 24 at 2019 2:13 PM

2019-05-24T14:13:16-04:00

IMHO, if you’re publicly verbally berating someone who in your opinion is presenting themselves under “stolen valor”, you’re betraying your oath and not honorably representing yourself as a service member. If you feel the need to express your concerns, do it and be done with it. To demand proof amounts to arrogance. Again, my $.02

Response by MSgt Gene B. made May 25 at 2019 9:53 AM

2019-05-25T09:53:34-04:00

I was on the fencepost on this one until an acquaintance from my past (who never served himself) questioned my service publicly on Facebook. Common sense prevailed and I simply blocked the jerk. My reaction now is the same when confronted with a known or suspected valor thief - I ignore them.

Response by LCpl Steve Camp made May 26 at 2019 6:21 AM

2019-05-26T06:21:37-04:00

I have never run into this problem.I have run into sv passing as MARINES. They outed themselves. Personally I'd tell someone who got in my face about me being sv,would be. To politely tell them to F off BOOT.MFFM

Response by SGT Thomas Salemme made Jun 9 at 2019 10:33 AM

2019-06-09T10:33:46-04:00

You know, I don't get too upset when I hear about it, because 99% of the time, whatever that person is doing, does not fit the very specific actions needed for it to be Stolen Valor, as defined by law. "The Act was passed to address the issue of persons claiming to have been awarded military awards to which they were not entitled and exploiting their deception for PERSONAL GAIN."
So when you see those idiots on youtube, coming up to a teen kid on the street, who is already known to have mental issues, and harass him for wearing a set of BDU's once owned by his older brother, it saddens me to think those pos's think they are accomplishing anything. I have seen other videos as well, where people are assaulted verbally for wearing BDU's...but are accused of not being military. Guess what clowns? ANYONE can buy a set of BDUs online, or at any surplus store. And ANYONE can walk around town with them on. I also don't care about the losers who walk into Starbucks and try to get free coffee etc. Sure it might barely fit the legal definition...but that's just a pathetic loser with no integrity, trying to compensate for their own failures. Im ok with knowing their lives are sad and wasteful, and that's good enough punishment for me.

Response by SPC Cesar Freytes made Jun 9 at 2019 1:41 PM

2019-06-09T13:41:14-04:00

Its not the fact that I don't care, but most of these imposters are nut jobs and I prefer them doing something non violent then doing mass shootings. I live in Navy town Va. Beach VA. and I sport my Coast Guard and Army colors on hats and t- shirts. should I now start carrying my DD-214s with me? Or should we petition congress to form a Protect The Veterans Agency to police this shit or maybe we can wear a big green star with a V on it like the Nazis did so at PTV police check points they know who you are. This is a Democracy people are going to do things you don't agree with. And last but not least, if some clown with no authority approaches me requesting credentials with their silly smart phone trying to humiliate me word wide they might find themselves getting surgery to extract that phone from their 3rd point of contact and thinking damn he really has PTSD. DONT TREAD ON ME.

Response by SPC David Young made Jun 11 at 2019 3:36 PM

2019-06-11T15:36:44-04:00

I do care and it makes me angry when I see a fraud. For instance, I know one in particular. He's a professional wrestler and I would understand if he would just own up and say that it's his gimmick but no. He insists that he's a former Army Sergeant and a Special Forces operator. (Besides being a former Army cook, I spent a few years as a pro wrestling referee. I did it for fun and loved the experience.)
Anyway, he didn't know what I talking about when I asked the simple question, "What was your MOS?"
After being told what "MOS" meant, he said "I never worried about that sort of thing because I was Special Forces.." (Yeah, right!)
I held off from doing this but maybe it's time to bust this fraud and make him famous! Any thoughts?

Response by CH (MAJ) David Plunkett made Jun 20 at 2019 6:10 PM

2019-06-20T18:10:52-04:00

just shoot the bastard.... just kidding.... support and defend the CONSTITUTION!!

Response by SPC Paul Golden made Jun 23 at 2019 6:29 PM

2019-06-23T18:29:12-04:00

I know this is an old thread, but this happened recently. I was wearing my OEF Vet hat out and was stopped by someone on the street. After thanking me for my service, he asked me what I would do if I saw someone impersonating a Veteran. I responded that unless he was trying to gain discounts/free merchandise by lying about service, there's nothing anyone can do about it except respectfully asking them to cease and desist.

Response by SFC Rick Walton made Jul 1 at 2019 10:45 PM

2019-07-01T22:45:33-04:00

I don't care about the dress up stuff especially when it's so blatantly obvious (to Service Members anyway) that the perpetrator is a PX commando. However, if they are trying to pass off something as their own for recognition they didn't earn, that's where my problem is. I don't care if it's a free meal or a high five, you didn't earn it, you don't deserve the accolades. If you want respect and recognition, earn it.

Response by SGT Brian Dimoff made Jul 2 at 2019 2:09 PM

2019-07-02T14:09:48-04:00

Do I like it? No... have I on occasion called someone out for it, sure... but is it neccessary to act like a raving lunatic? Absolutely not!

The current generation of Veterans, especially those of us who have served in combat, have a stigma associated with us, that we are unstable, damaged goods, and short fused. When any one of us create a public disturbance, and allow our emotions to control our actions, we reinforce that stereotype, and add fuel to the fire.

Be calm, be professional, carry yourself with pride. These people that pretend to be one of us, or add unearned laurels to their service history, do absolutely nothing to detract from our own honorable service, unless we as individuals give them the power to do so, and react in a way that brings discredit to our own character.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 8:18 PM

2019-07-02T20:18:25-04:00

I care more about faking injuries or service to get VA benefits you don’t deserve than some idiot wearing medals they didn’t earn.

Response by PO1 John Lemons made Jul 3 at 2019 12:47 AM

2019-07-03T00:47:50-04:00

We have more important things to worry about then being the uniform or stolen valor people. I’ve met SEALS from Vietnam then there were SEALS in Vietnam total. Who cares. People lie and pretend. Unless they are scamming people for money don’t care.

Response by TSgt James Hadley made Jul 3 at 2019 7:19 AM

2019-07-03T07:19:52-04:00

These guys are committing fraud and the punishment for that is Jail.

Response by CPL Jeremy Glenn made Jul 3 at 2019 10:05 AM

2019-07-03T10:05:05-04:00

I’ll laugh at them if it’s blatantly obvious, or call someone on obviously bs stories(like if I KNOW that something is different than what they’re saying), but I think this ambush tactic mentality is asinine. It shows that the millennial attitude has fully blossomed within our ranks (both with active and vets out of the service.)

We are servants to this country. Even after we get out I personally believe that never stops because an oath is an oath. That’s why it’s called “the service”, the term “SERVICEmember” is used, and why most of us swear the oath in the first place.

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Jul 3 at 2019 10:03 PM

2019-07-03T22:03:26-04:00

We have stolen valor in the US Senate. I just don’t give a shit any more. Nobody does.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2019 10:17 AM

2019-07-04T10:17:22-04:00

Some folks are so fugged up that no one should take them seriously.
However fake veterans asking for $$ is bs.

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Jul 4 at 2019 12:15 PM

2019-07-04T12:15:19-04:00

If someone is wearing a full uniform that’s definitely jacked, or talking pure BS, ok, call them out ! However, too many legitimate veterans have been accused by hotheads who also blow up on kids like my teen nephew for wearing an old woodland camouflage BDU top minus patches! What will piss me off are the ones who lie about their service to gain finance or fame

Response by PO3 David Davis made Jul 4 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-07-04T12:31:40-04:00

If they ate getting benfits its fraud. If they are not it is a psychological problem possibly. I dont care if some dressing up. I have come across people who lie. I am not going get into a pissing contest. Also when it come to civilians wearing military Camo. I could care less. In bootcamp we earned the right to be in the military. We paid for those uniforms.

Response by SPC John Cummings made Jul 5 at 2019 3:33 AM

2019-07-05T03:33:56-04:00

I've posted on this before. Specifically, to the effect that the vast majority that do this have emotional or mental stability issues. I certainly would not want to trigger a misguided attempt at hero worship into a crisis.
Furthermore, I offer my own experience. I only served for three years. My first duty station in RoK saw me progress from E-1---E-3. It was common practice to award AAMs at PCS. I was told I would too, get one. However, of 7 that came to RoK at same time I was the only one to leave on time, without blemished service. A year later, I was preparing Class As (dress mess) for a Ball. I called my former Squad Leader about the AAM, 'yeah yeah it went through I saw it.' So I looked in Perscom folder. There it was, an ArCom for jumping into Afganistan. I am not Airborne, I have no wings nor Maroon Beret , I have never been to Afganistan (OIF Sadr City 03). Needless to say a paper work mistake confused the two awards. I proceeded to place the AAM and waited till I earned an ArCom before purchasing that rack decor.
If I ever wore that rack I would technically be falsifying my award record. However, I know what I did. As a SM it matter as an old Vet politely, FU, if you disagree

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2019 8:37 AM

2019-07-05T08:37:13-04:00

I’m more irritated by SMs who claim all sorts of service related injuries knowing damned well there isn’t anything wrong with them. “I stubbed my toe in the 3rd grade, I better go get it documented so I can make the VA pay me when I get out.” False claims are what creates a backlog in the system and real wounded warriors who actually need treatment wind up dying while waiting to see a medical professional. Someone wants to play dress up? IDGAF unless they are committing fraud and stealing benefits.

Response by SGT Jim McGee made Jul 5 at 2019 11:46 PM

2019-07-05T23:46:41-04:00

Since I got out of Nam 50 yrs ago I have run across several wannabes. Most actually served in a combat theater. In,support units. What we use to call REMFs rear eshelon. MFs . We were jealous since they were about 80% of the troops over there. .we couldn't have done our job without them. Life wasn't easy for them either, mainly being away from home. But when they got home all the sudden they were grunts. They told the most horrific war stories. Mostly of how messed up they were because of the atrocities they did and how everyone in their squad died, etc, etc. They did more harm to the Viet Nam combat vet then any newspaper or peace activist. When you question them, they donn't know the difference between a M60, M16, M79, M50, a claymore and trip flare or a smoke vs a frag grenade. They couldn't tell you their favorite ration, what they packed in their ruck sack. How many rounds they carried or how they set up at night on a mission. Couldn't tell you the difference between a bamboo viper and a cobra. Or how they kept the scorpions and leaches off them..triple canopy jungle from monkey vine.I do run on..my point is the only way to catch a wannabe is the minutia. The little things they couldn't possibly know unless they were ones jumping off Hueys or riding APCs. They all saw war movies so they can be very general and fool most. I admire their service and support when they were there, but I hated the SOBs when they got home.one last thing, in all these years I've only met 4 or 5 guys outside of my unit that I knew weren't wannabe s. We're rare and there ain't a lot of out there.

Response by SGT Jim McGee made Jul 5 at 2019 11:52 PM

2019-07-05T23:52:56-04:00

Best reaction? Walk away.

Response by SPC Tim LaFountain made Jul 6 at 2019 6:23 AM

2019-07-06T06:23:47-04:00

I think it bothers me more when I see teens wearing military clothing/items, and they have no clue of what it took to earn them.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 6 at 2019 9:39 AM

2019-07-06T09:39:19-04:00

I am going on a tangent here. There was a PFC who fought in the Vietnam war and ETSd as a PFC. He started to pretend he was a retired officer, and it snowballed by people asking him to make speeches. At the end of his fake tenure of being an officer, he became a MG until he was caught.

Response by SSgt Phil O'Hearin made Jul 14 at 2019 1:46 PM

2019-07-14T13:46:08-04:00

To me stolen valor is more evident when the individual is trying to "sell" it, it's obvious, but to the public it may not be; if I notice it and they're receiving applaud for it I will stop it.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Jul 15 at 2019 2:19 PM

2019-07-15T14:19:04-04:00

So many people want to be heroes. So they pretend to be something they were not. I'm all for exposing the person who is in public in a uniform and puts on a lot of ribbons, medal, etc. and was never in the service of his or her's country. I did my time from '68 to '78 and I leave it there, nothing special. It is amazing how phonies have managed to con the VA system into giving them benefits with phony discharge papers. So much fraud going on.

Response by SFC Roger Herron made Jul 16 at 2019 1:46 PM

2019-07-16T13:46:51-04:00

Thank social media tools for all the uproar. Cell phone cameras, internet access, ect. have empowered almost everyone to do bold things. I am 71 and carry my retired id card with me always, though I've never had a nut come up and demand proof of service. On my dress uniform, I only displayed my Air Force marksmanship ribbon and the Vietnamese Service Ribbon, and on my left shoulder I had the Governor's 20 Marksmanship tab, and I showed 6 combat stripes, which were questioned more than once. I just referred anyone to the unit clerk to ask to see my DD214. I seen soldiers before with a chest full of ribbons, but I wasn't jealous or felt compelled to set the record straight. Time in a combat zone will teach you that, and more.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jul 21 at 2019 1:14 PM

2019-07-21T13:14:47-04:00

For one it's not right, 2nd it's disrespecting those who did serve and earned those ribbons and medals, those fake soldiers normally have a disorder of some kind, and feel the need to impersonate someone their not, probably on meds and might be more dangerous when approached or cornered, might be best to let law enforcement take the lead, the last thing is not to disrespect a true veteran

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Aug 3 at 2019 1:38 AM

2019-08-03T01:38:58-04:00

I was once, as a local member of a Veterans Honor Guard; given a ration of shit by some reservist whom was retiring from the reserves and happened to be at the gas station I stopped at on my way back from a funeral. I will refer to him as "Farva" from "Super Troopers" since that is what how he looked and acted.
He called me a fake because the army did not use the uniform and preceded to tell me my (Navy & USMC) decorations and awards were wrong. I simply laughed and said, "There is a whole world out there that you do not know about. The Honor Gaurd meets at the local AMVETS post this coming Thursday at 1800 hrs. You are likely qualified to be a member. We need more young people who care about right and wrong like yourself. I handed him my VSO card and told him to arrive sober and to listen first, ask questions later. Farva replied with some obnoxious and loud cursing, disparaging comments about the honor guard, etc.
Apparently he took his argument to social media before he ended his evening.
Needless to say, I received an apology from everyone who knew him and more for the following week. Never saw Farva again.

Response by SPC LeBron Spain made Aug 3 at 2019 3:44 AM

2019-08-03T03:44:10-04:00

Fuckem up and move on ....then they'll know your a vet....

Response by SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield made Aug 3 at 2019 6:21 PM

2019-08-03T18:21:22-04:00

I care especially when I am fighting to get benefits and some of these fakers were getting benefits, that's what makes me mad. If someone is wearing it as a costume okay but don't just walk around trying to get recognition for something you never did. I actually do carry my dd214 around with me and so does my husband even though he gets benefits and has a va id card. Not everyone that walks around in a uniform steal valor but there are many, if they don't know what their MOS, a dd214 or some other military terms are then you know the aren't vets or in the military, but I have been out over twenty years and done stuff I forgot, like the army birthday, I don't remember that but that didn't make me a person that never served. I have my dd214, copies of all of my records because magically records disappear alot in the military. I have my basic training photos, and my enlistment photos. I served but I don't go around looking for recognition. Does stolen valor make me mad, yes but I don't go around looking for people who do it but I you talk to people who say they are veterans and if you talk to them looking enough you know if they served or not. If I run across someone like that I will call them out because it is not fair to pretend you are something you aren't when so many veterans and service members earned that right so that you could parade around pretending. Respect those that served.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 11 at 2019 12:32 AM

2019-08-11T00:32:05-04:00

I weir part of my stuff on my hat , around where it says Army Retired … I got va. & Army ID`s . I am more concerned about vet`s like me struggling to keep a roof over our heads. But if you come across a guy in a coat like was pitcher at the top. Salute the coat & go on. the guy is a nut case !!!

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Aug 11 at 2019 11:35 AM

2019-08-11T11:35:05-04:00

That one I'd never seen...I'd thought I'd seen just about all of the really bad ones, till I saw that, honest....

Response by Sgt Bob Adcock made Aug 13 at 2019 9:15 PM

2019-08-13T21:15:45-04:00

I've only had one personal experience. A Vietnam buddy and I were visiting Civil War Battlefields in Virginia. We were in a restaurant, both wearing Marine hats. A guy in a Marine hat approached us and said "Semper Fi". We got to talking and he claimed he was in Lima, 3/1, in '67 and '68. Bill and I were in Kilo, 3/1 so I said: "you were there on 27 Dec 67?" He said, "all those days blend together". Bill and I knew he was lying. I said your CO, XO and 15 other Lima Marines died that day and it just "blends in"?! He knew he was caught and hatted up. Bill and I were shocked that he'd chosen one of our sister companies for his lie.

Response by SSgt Michael Johnson made Aug 14 at 2019 5:05 PM

2019-08-14T17:05:40-04:00

I don’t care. My reason is that I have a wife and three kids that I provide for and give all of my love and attention to. I don’t have time in my life, nor do I care to take time to wonder if someone is lying about their service. There are more things in life to care about. There is a reason all the people confronting others about stolen valor are very young. It is because it is an immature thing to worry about

Response by MSgt Michael Madden made Aug 15 at 2019 3:55 PM

2019-08-15T15:55:08-04:00

It is not my business to be the stolen valor police.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2019 10:43 PM

2019-08-15T22:43:13-04:00

Yet have I run into such a person trying to fake it in a inappropriate uniform like General Krispcy Warhunter , I would be laughing my assoff seeing that , In L.A. yea I'm sure. Though I do know of one big bullshitter or two . The big one nowadays the Hollywooders think they have PTSD because they have played the part in the movies so long it's memories are processed the same in the mind , Can you believe that crap? Well serviceman and women have respect for every person that has the fortitude to ware a military uniform. When it is disrespected by unauthorized personal beyond the day of the BS Ball or Halloween party and pledging their Heroism in public as a commissioned officer is a federal crime. The justice system is asleep to damage this does cause we read about pretenders everyday. Even receiving VA benefits . That blows my mind But caught convicted One ,who knows just how many are pulling Uncle Sam's leg.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2019 11:07 PM

2019-08-15T23:07:19-04:00

looks more like a gay biker wantabe from Iran

Response by SP5 George Smith made Aug 16 at 2019 2:03 AM

2019-08-16T02:03:14-04:00

The only vets I speak to would most likely be from my era (‘68-‘76) or I have personal knowledge that they are in service or have been in service. Now, what do I do if a younger vet or service person challenges me for wearing the only thing I ever wear that shows I’m a vet...a faded Army green baseball cap that says “VETERAN”? Sometimes I find it amusing that a person that thanks me for my service may think I’m more of a recent service period. Anyway, a challenge would be a bit diluted if the young’un isn’t up on their Nam history. What would we talk about? If they hadn’t been down range and been exposed to the experience of a combat zone, all we can talk about is Basic and AIT. I don’t wear anything that wasn’t issued, so I can’t get called out on that. I much rather quietly respect the person and if they don’t think I’m a vet (shrug) I will live on. My kids know I’m a vet, my family, my buddies, and my VA doc know I’m a vet (shrug) that’s all the people I care about.

Response by PO2 Matt Waters made Aug 16 at 2019 6:15 AM

2019-08-16T06:15:26-04:00

On social media in the last year I've been accused of stolen valor 3 times. Claiming to be a Vet and being accused of stolen valor and not being one. All three times this has occurred from hard core Trump supporters. Now I'm going to stop with anything political right there because this isn't a question (or at least shouldn't be) of politics or party. But I at least wanted to state that because it is simply the truth of the three situations. Each time my response was pretty much the same to these three + individuals because they themselves were not Veterans. "I really don't care what you think because I know I've served. I have my honorable discharge and I have my DD214. You have only some B.S. idea in your head that is false and you have never served in this country's military. That means it's you who are not part of our family of 1% and no mater what you think or accuse me of you will never ever know that satisfaction despite what anyone accuses you of. So now please piss off. (hand salute, middle finger prominent)

Response by GySgt Cesar Mercedes made Aug 16 at 2019 10:50 AM

2019-08-16T10:50:19-04:00

It’s horrible the disrespect veterans are getting from the Puerto Rico government. In order to be considered a disabled veteran you need to have a leg, arm, blind or dead to be recognized as a warrior of war with noticed impairments. The award letter from the VA is not understood by staff in various government offices. It’s a shame that proper training is not rendered to the government staff. Rarely does anyone know what a wounded warrior represents or what is a DD214 documentation mean. It’s horrible trying to get benefits that you gained protecting our country as well as Puerto Rico. Invisible wounds can at times be worse than those that are visible. Shame on Puerto Rico do your homework and take care of the veterans who are come and help the economy and have the right to be on the island.

Response by SGT Roland Trimmer made Aug 16 at 2019 11:54 AM

2019-08-16T11:54:16-04:00

http://www.unbreakablewheartsbook.com..This is my website that takes people to two books I wrote....

www.unbreakablewheartsbook.com..This

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Aug 16 at 2019 2:35 PM

2019-08-16T14:35:48-04:00

I've never bothered to get a veteran's card that are available periodically from our county government and certainly don't carry my DD 214. I don't really wear military gear or anything other than an "Army" cap, of which I'm rather proud. I'm not sure how I would respond if someone asked me to show why I have a right to wear an Army cap. I'm reminded of a curious incident some years ago when I was going through an airport and a guy came up and asked if I was a vet. I responded yes, RVN and he said "Welcome home". I didn't know what to say. I wasn't wearing any military gear or anything, just an old guy. I still don't know what was going on.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Aug 16 at 2019 2:53 PM

2019-08-16T14:53:36-04:00

I feel sorry for the no loads that claim they were in the military and were not. I figure many of are retarded or mentally ill. I saw a guy wearing a seal badge with a ranger tab on a coast guard uniform. Obviously he was a fake. He was retarded and wanted to be a hero like John Wayne in the movies. I feel sorry for him and his delusion . The ones that tick me off are the fake Vietnam vets begging for change at traffic lights. One guy that looked no more than 45 was wearing a Vietnam uniform he probably bought at a vets estate sale. I asked him what unit he was in in Vietnam and he said US Army.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Aug 16 at 2019 4:44 PM

2019-08-16T16:44:58-04:00

What concerns me is that here are people who must feel a great sense of insecurity to pose as someone important. How do they live with themselves? They have to pretend to be what they're not. I feel sorry for them; they need to see a psychologist.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2019 7:39 PM

2019-08-16T19:39:38-04:00

I get the females can't be veterans all the time...I just knife hand them and tell them to f**k off

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Aug 16 at 2019 8:50 PM

2019-08-16T20:50:30-04:00

I care alot

Response by SFC Kenneth Kreps made Aug 17 at 2019 8:46 AM

2019-08-17T08:46:33-04:00

What I care about is someone pretending to be a vet for the purpose of defrauding either the Government or unsuspecting citizens. What I don't care about is someone just wearing a patch on his jacket because it looks cool and he catches a few remarks. We are establishing a dangerous precedent by stopping and demanding proof of service from random strangers.

Response by Kathie Costos made Aug 18 at 2019 7:36 AM

2019-08-18T07:36:33-04:00

Strange how times have changed to this point. When Vietnam veterans came home, they wanted to hide their service. They were embarrassed when they had to explain where they had been on job applications. We did not have many fakes then. After all these years of them fighting for all generations, sadly we arrive during a time when too many want to pretend and get patted on the back. Sad!

Response by SFC Mike Taylor made Aug 18 at 2019 9:33 AM

2019-08-18T09:33:14-04:00

So many people want to give discounts to the people that recieved medals and people want to take advantage, that i appreciate but do NOT require. I did what I did for the Lo0ve of our countery and people in it. People that steal the valor of others dont care about the country or people they just want the rewards. If they cant do it themselves but need to steal to earn or get anything.

Response by BG Jim Drago made Aug 18 at 2019 6:49 PM

2019-08-18T18:49:33-04:00

I only care if they are getting a benefit they don’t deserve. As far as “that guy(or girl)” questioning whom ever doesn’t meet their standard of a “vet”, they are participating in the old time honored but hated “d@#$ dance” to see whose is bigger. I will related one of those incident I witnessed; I watched a NCO confront a younger guy wearing a BDU top with a number of unit patches on it, it created a large ruckus in the restaurant we were at with the kid screaming, smashing his plate on the floor, and running out the door with a lady in pursuit. Turns out the guy was mentally handicapped but loved the military and other troops had given him the patches and jacket. Just took one busy body to cause a problem

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made Aug 18 at 2019 9:21 PM

2019-08-18T21:21:55-04:00

One of the things I believe, not about those that are fakes, they are truly assholes and liars, but about those doing the calling out is that they are looking for recognition because they feel themselves somehow inadequate. They must call attention to themselves by belittling some other poor soul. I've seen some vets that really can't remember which end of the ribbon bar goes on what end or newbies that don't know that in WW II jump wings went above the CIB or CMB or that each of those badges also merited the award of a Bronze Star Medal. If it's as obvious as the picture of Senior Enlisted Advisor Flower Power bring your friends around to laugh at him. If your are not as positive the guy may have just forgotten the correct way, keep your mouth shut and don't publicly display your
inadequate knowledge or personality.

Response by SGT Joe Downs made Aug 22 at 2019 10:18 PM

2019-08-22T22:18:16-04:00

I'm not certain about the "I don't care" and "why I don't care" when it comes to Active Duty and Veterans. Before Amazon and Ebay and others made it possible to purchase every medal, award, badge and decoration ever issued, we didn't see this. Even receiving a T-shirt meant you had to be a participant. NOW, you can get anything you want anytime you want and wear it anywhere you want. Every Honorable service-member I've known are respectful about their service and respective awards. They don't brag, show off, or toot their own horns. Maybe a hat, maybe a shirt from time to time, a hesitant recalling of history, or a certificate on their wall, but they are deeply respectful of theirs and their brothers/sisters service and not glory hounds. I found the Tomb Badge for the Guards at Arlington on sale on Ebay years ago, and I raised pure hell with Ebay, even wrote to the Old Guard and referenced the listing, to no avail. It's like I heard years ago: "Anything goes, cause everything's gone". I suppose some apathy has set in given the current state of affairs of the world. And maybe choosing the "battles" a bit more prudently, since grains of sand can't hold the ocean back. For justice, we know that the wanna-be's have to live with their lies. And that may be punishment enough. Honorable Veteran's have a Code inside and their lives show it.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Aug 23 at 2019 7:18 PM

2019-08-23T19:18:11-04:00

This also applied to braggarts who embellish or exaggerate their service.
We are ALL part of the same mission / team. There is NEVER truely a need to try & be "what you are not."
There are heroes of circumstance, of deed, of opportunity, & also of perception. Truth be it told, for the most part, a hero is a person who, faced with the given circumstance, did the best thing, yielding a positive outcome. Additionally a hero is someone who put the mission / team above himself (someone to followed the principles were all trained to).
My hats off to all heros; accomplished & potential.
Prayers for those who didn't make it.
Felicitations for all who returned.

Response by SPC David Buttrey made Aug 28 at 2019 9:22 AM

2019-08-28T09:22:15-04:00

It doesn’t really bother unless someone is abusing the system but I think it is getting out of hand. It’s almost like people set out to question everybody they see. Some of the accusers bother me more than the ones wearing a patch or badge they didn’t earn.

Response by Ray Griffin made Sep 1 at 2019 4:19 PM

2019-09-01T16:19:07-04:00

I would rather let a thousand phonies get away with it, than accuse a real veteran of stolen valor

Response by SN Mike Duffy made Sep 14 at 2019 2:24 PM

2019-09-14T14:24:38-04:00

Then there's the kid who got medical out in boot camp for heart palpitations. Still disappointed about it. He'd probably whoop the fuckers ass.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2019 8:39 PM

2019-09-14T20:39:20-04:00

All I will say is if anyone approaches me accusing me of Stolen Valor, things will not end up going the way they think it will.

Response by Cpl Ronald Everitt made Sep 15 at 2019 12:25 AM

2019-09-15T00:25:51-04:00

I have a question on Stolen Valor that no doubt I could Google but at age 67 suppose many of you can relate why do that when you can share your story behind it ... but anyway having had a hat VA canteen store bought as where much of such stuff comes from I suppose , is a Vietnam Veteran in large lettering patch with three ribbons on it , the one that we called coming out of Marine Corps boot camp what is the fire watch ribbon and secondly in the middle is the Vietnam ribbon but the third one goes to question is it of Stolen Valor???? .

Now I have the patch in a wall mount and it's sealed in by the clear see through framing cover so I can't get to it very well but to describe it somewhat are both grayish/silver and some sort of yellow insignia the op being to the question if that ribbon goes to Stolen Valor to get to it and explain it better would have to dismantle the wall hanging frame as I have a small chain of Peace emblems and how appropriate is that :-) covering up most of the ribbon as when I wore its other on a cover/hat had I had a POW emblem covering it up .

And so the question is anyone knowing what that ribbon represents I am sure curious enough to ask . Rumor Mill had it that they (D.O.D.) were going to offer even after our discharge a cold war ribbon to be put on our military records and was wondering if that is what it is .and hoping you get the gist oh why whether by wall mount or wearing I cover that third one up that goes to question and while on the same subject once in the days of better age/health I became active in a State moderated Vietnam Vet group (operative being State moderated but just how low some guilty of stolen valor will go) but after a few meetings and that particular individual "popped off at the bill/flapped their lips/jaw jacked just a little to much (most likely a book worm where getting their has been at stories and etc. information from) but anyway some Vet wised up to it and did the math of his age and no way that individual could of been there and after that credentials topped the list of this State moderated program,may yet as I moved on for HAPPIER DAYS but again just how far some will go to be a part of something ...thanks

Response by HN Richard Duncan made Sep 15 at 2019 12:48 AM

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I'm the first one too say. I'm non combat. I'm considered a gulf war veteran. My ship the USS Austin LPD 4. Went to the Gulf in late January of 91. I was honorably discharged on 7 Jan 91.

Response by PFC John Lanni made Sep 15 at 2019 7:30 AM

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I don't think it is a case that I do not care about stolen valor. I feel that it is wrong to impersonate anything other than what we are to others and especially wrong to impersonate the true heroes that made the sacrifices to defend this country that by exceptional bravery, chance or in the normal course of their duties summoned the courage and made the right decision to take the best action possible in a very difficult situation. Were a situation be presented to me that a person was acting in stolen valor clearly and unquestionably, I would take very unkindly to that person and try to correct the situation. That situation has not arisen as yet in my almost 50 years since discharge. On the flip side, I would not take very kindly being grilled by a perfect stranger as to my personal history. I came from a time and a place where enlisting in the service of our great country was a duty to be shared by all, I guess why when people say thank you for your service, I reply, no thank you's needed but thank you for saying that as not to slight them. I have been grilled online and called out simply for making a statement that did not march with their experience at that time in a different unit. Or a photo that claimed was photo shopped because I happened to have shared it from a photo I took from my photo album because I don't know how and can't scan. Or difference in uniform changes, I wore fatigues and a baseball call although I was Airborne. A year after I left, they switched to beret and I think they call them BDU. I was called out for that. I was the last BTC that used the M14 and was called out for being a poser because some may have used a M16 or another base used a 14 during the transition. I wore spit shined Corcorans for dress and everyday with fatigues and called out for that. We pulled guard duty with an M16 and 3 rounds in a magazine stored in an ammo pounch and was called out for that. We pulled guard duty at the rigging shed with a 12 gauge pump and 3 rounds iloaded, none in the chamber, I was called out for that. Many of you will disagree with what I have said, it does not make you a poser I try to take people on face value, I don't carry proof of my service, Do you? I produce proof when required. I do not know one person that has not embellished on their resume but stolen valor is the greatest insult to any veteran.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2019 9:10 AM

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If they want to do it than god will know when it’s time. Just let it go

Response by SrA Gina Hotard made Sep 15 at 2019 11:22 PM

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As a female vet, I am constantly either ignored as being a vet or asked for proof. Even had a young individual nearly hit me fir parking in a vet slot. Jeez

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Sep 16 at 2019 2:40 AM

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I ask branch, mos, rank, basic training. if there are real, they reply without a stammer or a strange look on there face.
I know if they are real. i give them a good handshake and sometimes a hug.

Response by PO2 Ed Leidy made Sep 16 at 2019 9:40 AM

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I am grimly amused. Remember 50+/- years ago NO-ONE wanted to admit to being a Vietnam Vet?
Nowadays some want to claim that dubious distinction (! ?). I carry a reduced photocopy of my DD-214 in my wallet. Besides, what "benefits" do they get other than a free coffee or such on Veterans' Day? All it takes is to have a conversation w/them and look them in the eyes. If they are bogus they will reveal it soon enough. Unless they are doing damage to the Veteran Reputation I just shake my head and leave them to their delusional fantasy world. At 71 (+) I am well past the time when I would / could grab them by the stacking swivel and administer some close-order knuckle drill.

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Sep 16 at 2019 9:56 AM

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There are times when I have been asked for proof of my military service. It doesn't bother me especially when I overhear individuals who exaggerate or flat out lie about their service. For me a veteran will be able to pick out a fraud because we have been there and done that. People who have no experience with the military other than Hollyweird have no way of knowing the BS from fact. If someone calls me out I show the I.D. and answer questions, if the become shitheads about it I treat the with more respect than they deserve and go on about my business. If it is a business and they continue to question I simply take my business elsewhere. I have read other people, veterans who say we should not represent the service after we get out and that's B.S. I very proud of being part of the true 1% who keeps our country free and safe if you don't like that stay away from me.

Response by PFC Edmond M. Austin made Sep 16 at 2019 11:07 AM

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USMC ‘68-‘71. I had someone come up to me on Memorial Day couple years ago wanting to question me and demanding proof of service as I was wearing my cut off jungle blouse with duty stations and couple other patches. I started to walk away as he got in front of me again demanding proof. I told him if he didn’t get the hell out of my way he’d be picking his ass off the ground. I don’t feel I need to prove myself or service to anyone other than the government and ongoing belong to.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Sep 16 at 2019 7:11 PM

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Life is to short to focus on these clowns, I care but I believe in being nice until it's time not to be, pick your battles and maintain discipline, I challenged a young man at a gas station last year and he admitted to wearing his deceased dad's uniform

Response by SSG J F Texas made Sep 21 at 2019 2:33 PM

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What benefits are people wrongly receiving? Are we worried about a couple free meals or a store discount? Are there actual benefits out there that do not require a proof of service?

Do we really want to be comfortable confronting people and demanding to see their papers? I don't have a VA ID card and won't carry my 214. My CHL is stamped VETERAN (only because I dont want to over pay to rent my 2A right back) but not my DL but I'll be damn if I have to prove my service to some fuck on the street.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Sep 23 at 2019 6:12 PM

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It is not a question of not caring about stolen Valor. It's a question of what should be done about it, and how to react when you find it.
Like all things there are different levels of stolen valor. Bragging in a bar about some battle you were never in is one thing. Claiming you were awarded the Purple Heart and asking for VA disability or running for office based on your military history is a completely different level.
When you the good guy find out about the liar (bad guy) what you do about it shows a lot about you as well about him. If you go off the deep end and started verbal or physical fight in public, I don't think that's right. If you professionally and courteously confront him and report him to the appropriate authorities the criminal action that would be the right think to do.

Response by William Smith made Sep 24 at 2019 11:16 AM

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I feel no desire to confront people for this---the more outrageous it is the higher the chance they have some sort of problem--be it substances or an actual problem it is pretty obvious to all. In some cases I would feel sorry for them. Now politicians slipping it into their resumes just makes them seem untrustworthy

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 24 at 2019 11:37 AM

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Oh trust me, I DO CARE. After serving in the Army for 21 years, being in Operation Joint Forge and Iraqi Freedom, there is no way in HELL I'm going to stand by and watch some FAKE SON OF A BITCH try to say they were in the military. I owe that to myself AND the Soldiers and NCO's I served with during the war.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Sep 30 at 2019 11:14 PM

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I responded to this thread a year ago and mentioned being harrassed by a gunny and a sergeant for wearing my old utiliity trou. Well, it happened again. I was using my old assault pack for my carry-on for a flight and was wearing my retired Marine ballcap when some young, obviously active duty Marine came up and jumped all over me for stolen valor. I was just going to ignore him until he touched my ballcap and told me to "take off that silly thing." At that point, I got angry and pulled out my wallet with my retired United States Uniformed Services ID card and showed him it. He got really flustered and muttered something stupid that I forget now, then went back in the direction of the airplane. My luggage was lost, so I was there longer, and 20 minutes later, he comes skulking up to get his luggage. He saw me and too tremendous effort not to look me in the eyes.

I do care about stolen valor, especially when it is for monetary or employement gain, but as someone else pointed out in a post, the entire stolen valor thing has become the 1000-pound gorilla in the room. Some folks take it way too far, and many vets have been humiliated by these stolen valor vigilantes.

Response by SGT Frances Richardson made Oct 10 at 2019 8:11 PM

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Because I find it more amusing than anything. If you want to pretend over something so silly, be my guest. Playing dress up doesn't take away any of my benefits so have at it.

Response by PO2 Bill Snyder made Oct 29 at 2019 11:18 AM

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I’m a veteran who lost my leg after serving in an industrial accident. The VA makes my Prostetics and I have a flag design on the prosthetic so I am asked if I’m a vet and the first thing I say is yes but this injury isn’t service related. I don’t want any confusion about it being service related, I for one get upset to hear about stolen valor. But having said that I also would don’t like people demanding proof of service. I have been very fortunate to never have been approached in that manner most people thank me for my service, which is kinda strange since I got out in 1986 and never heard that until the last couple of years. For those individuals who feel the need to participate in stolen valor let god punish them.

Response by CPO Michael Hatten made Oct 29 at 2019 8:38 PM

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Someone who wears ribbons they don't deserve don't hurt me. Unless they are actually taking something away from me I just ignore them. My service career is over and the medals and warfare pins are mementos but they are not that much a part of my new life.

Response by SSgt Phil Sutherland made Oct 29 at 2019 11:14 PM

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There have only been two times I have confronted someone about Stolen Valor. Once was in a combat group at the Vet Center where one of the men in the group was wearing a couple of things on his camouflage shirt he had on that indicated he had been a member of Force Recon. A good friend of mine, Gunny Leon Burns, a Navy Cross and Bronze Star recipient said we should invite him to lunch to discuss it. When at lunch, Gunny Burns asked him about the Force Recon badge he was wearing. The man stated that he had been given it when he joined Force Recon. Gunny Burns had been in Force Recon and had gone through the school and told the man that he was in Force Recon and what he was wearing was only issued after going through the school and not just given out. There were a couple of other things that were questioned as well. We had driven him to lunch a few miles away from the Vet Center. After lunch, he decided he would walk back and that was the last we saw of him in group. We informed the counselor that he was a fake too. The second was when a man was wearing a full dress uniform with Sgt Major stripes and wearing various medals including a combat action ribbon, and stated that he had served with the First Battalion, Ninth Marines, my outfit in Vietnam. I was the President at the time of the 1/9 Association and this man had joined as a member. At one of our national conventions, some members brought to my attention that they believed that he was a fake and had never served in Vietnam. We sent away for his DD214 and found out that he had been busted down from Sgt Major to 1st Sergeant and given a mandatory retirement because he had faked being in Vietnam in his SRB. We confronted him about it, and the fake ribbons and rank, and he was asked to resign from the organization. These were two fraudulent cases where they sought to defraud by claims to the VA and military organizations. I have seen lots of others that I knew were fake, but, like the rest have said, if they aren't committing fraud, a waste of time and effort.

Response by MSgt Harry Swanson made Oct 30 at 2019 7:17 AM

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I normally don’t get upset at a “poser," person who pretends to be a member of a group that they are not actually a member of; "wannabe". Like people who adopt the mode of dress, mannerisms, speech patterns, etc., of the group that they want to be part of, like the military. I am generalizing but I think all teenagers go through some kind of poser identity in that decade of their life; it’s part of the process of becoming an adult and better understanding one’s environment, especially the conflict between what’s right and wrong in what to do in life’s situations. Showing my age, I wanted to be like James Dean, a “rebel” with the smoking of cigarettes, illegal drinking, reckless riding off my 150cc motor cycle, etc. There was even a top ten song that espoused that persona. I truly believed I was a rebel in my thinking.

There are veterans that pose that they where in some special operations like Pararescue, Seals, etc., or that they where in Vietnam in combat actually be shot at when they have not been. I enjoy listening to these veteran posers when I go the VA or at the American Legion or VFW. I don’t get upset at these aggrandizements of their “war stories” since it is their freedom of speech on how they saw their enlistment.

Posers that have never been in the military but dress up and create brave and fictitious stores about themselves are given a higher and harsher category of poser by some in the military as being someone that steals the valor of soldiers, especially dead ones. Again I am generalizing and don’t have much scientific research to support my hypothesis, but these stolen-valor-posers have not mentally matured or may actually have some form of mental problem, which they have no control over. I personally can’t get angry at people in these situations where they have little or no responsibility for their actions.

I sometimes have a difficulty with President Trump with his wannabe greatest military tactician and bravery as Commander-in-chief, which I think like a lot of veterans that support him do. I do get a little upset when he makes statements that prisoners of war should not be honored because they got caught. That we should not respect Gold-Star families that have made the ultimate sacrifice of losing a child in defending the country because of their verbal opinions of him. That he orally brags that he is smatter than all the generals when it comes to the Middle East on military policy and actions, especially the generals that have worked within his administration and on his cabinet that have left; they just can’t handle his braininess of military tactics and strategy as he likes to state. I especially liked his bravery of the one and only trip going to Afghanistan and he didn't leave or go outside the base when he was there. Like other stolen-valor-posers, I have to look at him as someone that has not matured or has some mental medical condition, which he has no control over. It's his freedom of speech as commander-in-chief. If you are a veterans that accepts President Trump with his I-am-the-greatest-stolen-valor-poser actions than you have to accept all stolen-valor-posers with their crazy stories and dress, both have the same problem.

Response by SPC Tim Paquin made Oct 30 at 2019 6:55 PM

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I think a lot of vets don’t actually understand what “Stolen Valor” actually is. Compound that with civilians with “good intentions” and we end up with a time bomb. Someone running around in ACU or BDU pants is not stolen valor. Wearing a “uniform” and demanding benefits is. Making false claims at a bar to impress someone is borderline. Wearing a SEAL trident in a parade to gain notoriety or acclaim is. I’m probably not going to confront the guy in the bar but I will knock the socks off the guy with the Purple Heart license plates that never served.

Response by COL Thomas McGrath made Oct 30 at 2019 11:40 PM

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Many are mentally ill. It’s not worth the effort

Response by SFC Jeff Orlowski made Oct 31 at 2019 12:39 PM

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I do care, but then I do not. I can see if someone uses something to receive financial gain based off of a Military record. But as the original obvious picture shows, anyone can tell it is fake. I also have more of an issue whith these Jabroni's who go around asking what and how this award/badge is that you are wearing on a jacket, cap or Service Organization uniform.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2019 5:17 PM

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I think the reason people dont take this very serious is they think it will not affect them but they are wrong it hurts all veterans and people need to be educated about this most vest dont know about this issue and how it affects all of us that have served until this has been more publicized in the media it will continue to be a huge issue for all who have put on the uniform

Response by MSgt Steve Sweeney made Nov 1 at 2019 12:09 AM

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One thing to consider is that people engaging in this behavior already have some deep seated self esteem and inadequacy issues. If they are attempting to fake connection with military service for personal gain, that is one thing - prosecute. But for those that just want the attention, jumping in their shit isn't going to resolve anything. These people are already punished because they have to live every day with themselves.

Response by CPT William Uemura made Nov 1 at 2019 7:24 AM

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To those that don't care about Stolen Valor, what makes you not care? Amendment I to the United States Constitution, which I took a solemn oath to uphold and defend. I have family sitting in prison for "felonious tweeting" in a country that wasn't formed under the United States Constitution. Liberty matters. And liberty ain't liberty if only those who served get to define the standards of acceptable conduct, or what those standards mean, or what to do about it.

Response by PVT Joseph Thornton made Nov 1 at 2019 4:48 PM

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I am having less respect for vets who put other vets down. If you served tdy in Viet Nam your records will not show it. I served 1 + 1/2 months in Vietnam wounded three times and have scars to prove it. If another vet said that my records don't show it I tell him where to go. If you show me your medals and says where is yours I tell him where to go. I lost a friend who was also tdy and killed when his helicopter went down, and I watched him get blown to pieces. Where is his glory to show what he did for his country?

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made Nov 3 at 2019 11:40 AM

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I left the military with a nearly filled second row of ribbons. A third row has appeared due to short and long term OS ribbons, cold war etc. which have since been authorized for veterans to display. On Veterans Day (Armistice Day) I will wear all of them even if they were not on the rack during Vietnam and prior to separation.

I am uncomfortable challenging someone else unless it is shamefully blatant. You don't need to call BS every time you see it. Just don't try to walk into my American Legion post like that. Of course a phony could not get in anyway. Some of the fellows will find you out. I will leave it to the more earnest.

Response by PFC Micheal Tarr made Nov 3 at 2019 11:10 PM

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Ive been saying this for years. How is it anyone's business what my military record is? You accuse me of stolen valor without evidence, fuck you. I don't have to prove shit to you random stranger.

Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made Nov 4 at 2019 5:12 AM

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For me, it’s not that I don’t care, it’s just, who am I to judge? I won’t be the one who attacks an actual veteran by accident just because s/he is wearing a decoration wrong. Now that said, when my brother-in-law bought a tan navy style softcap and some Marine E7 rank “just to have it”, I let him know my opinion on it. “Unless you’re just going as a marine for Halloween, you shouldn’t wear it,” I told him. He hasn’t worn it once. We do need to police our own blood, so if you know of a family member who appropriates military culture by using uniforms and decorations, grab them up by the bootstraps and say, “look, Uncle Billy, I know you like the coast guard and all, but you really shouldn’t wear Marine Dress blues unless you’ve earned them.”

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Nov 10 at 2019 9:43 PM

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I try to be as respectful as I can, and take everyone at face value. Each and everyone of us has our "war stories". Some are funny, some would make your hair curl. What was really bad was hearing one of my "war stories" out of the mouth of a "friend" who I had helped out with a place to live and food. He didn't know I was standing behind him as he told "my" story to a cadet from the Air Force Academy who was watching me mouth the exact same words till I stepped forward and blew his cover. I tend to be very forgiving and let stuff roll off my back but this was just too much for me. He was a wanna be and a guy, I am a female and the story didn't mesh for a male to have experienced. I was in the last experimental cycle of males and females together in basic. Echo-7-2, Ft Jackson, SC. and I am proud of every second I served all 6 1/2 years. I lost the only family I ever really had when I wasn't allowed to reup for my last tour. Stolen valor for me is stealing away my family...….jus' sayin'

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Nov 18 at 2019 6:47 AM

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Had a guy troll me a few years back about the four campaign stars on my VSM. Seriously? If I were going down the fake hero road, I think I could do a little better than that. I'm all for exposing wannabes, but some of us get a little too carried away at times.

Response by CPO David E. made Nov 25 at 2019 12:42 PM

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This doesn't makehim look like a hero, it makes him look simply stupid

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2019 3:58 AM

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It doesn't effect me in any way.

Response by PFC James (LURCH) Janota made Dec 1 at 2019 8:36 PM

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We don’t know what the person’s mental condition is. His or her close family member may have gone to serve in war and never came home alive. I know of one person that went absolutely crazy over it and did a bunch of crazy stuff. He actually put on his late brothers uniform and waltzed right on post. I didn’t see him for quite sometime now. Maybe he went to a home. Point is, before you go and slam someone for stolen valor, better make sure the person is mentally stable. Some may have guns or other weapons ready to snap. Be careful when slamming people.

Response by CPL Johnnie White made Dec 9 at 2019 1:49 PM

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Hey what goes on here? First if I remember correctly the US Supreme Court said it was ok fo a person to wear medals even if they did not earn the same. Now how patriotic is that?
People do this to impress others. What was on the. Court’s mind? Then some other person was collecting VA benefits, and he was sent to prison. This is all hypocritical.
I am proud I served and under fire. I did not want to go, but I went.
I remember when it was a disgrace to some people to find out that you served in Vietnam, now all is well I wear my jacket as well as my tee shirt with pride. My state even has it imprinted on my license. I donor contend with anyone, I know I served..
GetOver It Buddy!

Response by Capt Harlan Carvey made Dec 10 at 2019 8:04 AM

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I care deeply about Stolen Valor...when it actually happens. If someone is wearing mismatched uniform items and clearly was never a member of the US uniformed services, but is not receiving any sort of benefits, it's pretty clear to me that they are in need of help, not bullying. Based solely on what's being shared in a number of social media platforms, it seems that many are simply too willing to belittle, berate, and bully others, rather than doing the right thing and trying to help them.

Response by Cpl Joe Fournelle made Dec 12 at 2019 10:36 AM

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Never saw anybody claiming to be a Vet during or soon after Vietnam

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 12:29 PM

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I don't care. Some people need to get shamed like the mall YouTube video. The guy who looks like he ate a navy seal . Anyways, it's funny watching people who are out quoting AR 670-1.

Response by PO3 Anthony Nichols made Dec 14 at 2019 6:11 PM

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Less than 3 percent of Americans are veterans so in your every day this comes up then its probably you that talks about the high school valor days and boot camp boot camp. Real vets just say we're just doing their jobs. That job is going to far off lands meeting interesting people and killing them. It's a so if you want to be that

Response by SR Robert Scheinost made Dec 14 at 2019 8:54 PM

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I spent 3 years in the Navy during the Vietnam war (not in-country). I also have a service connected disability. I don't have to prove anything to anybody about my service. I received the usual automatic awards and an Honorable Discharge. I don't bullshit about my service or duty stations. I did my time and that's good enough for me. If someone wants to play fake hero, shame on them. They have to live with themselves.I don't. Liars are everywhere, in all fields of endeavors. I almost feel sorry for their insecurities---almost but not quite,because it comes back to bite them in the fanny.

Response by PV2 Chris York made Dec 14 at 2019 10:47 PM

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The age of Trump. And thin-skinned people. Adapt. Improvise. Overcome.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 9:50 AM

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I agree with some of the others who have said they'd rather not confront someone who actually earned the things they proudly display.
I know what I have earned and wouldn't dishonor the things my friends and fellow Soldiers have earned by falsely wearing an award that I have not earned.
Another reason I wouldn't call someone out is because, what if, what was being worn was earned by a loved one and now worn in their remembrance. It would no longer be calling out that person, but rather a father, mother, brother, sister, etc, who's memory went from being celebrated to being disparaged.
For those who serve, have served, civilians who live in a military town, civilians who come from an extremely small town that has contributed three servicemen, all will recognize the fake, and giving that person attention is really all that they want in the first place.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 11:42 AM

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What the fuck kind of uniform is that supposed to be

Response by SFC Terry Wilcox made Dec 15 at 2019 7:44 PM

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Been challenged a few times, Gave my information, and let it go. I haven't personally challenged some that I knew couldn't be Vietnam Vets (due to being way too young), just shook my head, to let them know I knew.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Dec 15 at 2019 9:39 PM

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Do you have perfect memory? Do you recall every deployment, every conflict, every war, the minutia of your time in service? Do you recall exactly the steps to execute a jump? A rappel? The phonies are a joke and are not getting anything that a real veteran is not. Why? Because a phony has to supply the same things as a real veteran and most cannot and have it hold up under scrutiny.

Most of the phonies are easy as crap to see. A Veteran knows but at the same time is naming and shaming a sham artist going to stop them or them? No.

Let them make fools of themselves. I would rather they do that then run the risk of harming an actual veteran simply because they could not remember enough specific details to satisfy someones line of questioning.

Response by Cpl Gene Hill made Dec 15 at 2019 9:52 PM

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When I was discharged, the only medal that was recorded on my DD214, was the Good Conduct Medal. I had earned others, but for years, it just didn't matter to me. Then the first case of Stolen Valor made the news! I decided that when I became older, I might want to wear my honors, so I got in touch with my Congressman and requested my medals, which showed my service. My records were checked and my medals were presented to me! There are plenty of veterans, out there, that served and never received with written or physical proof of what they had accomplished.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 10:32 PM

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I honestly just don't care anymore.
Do I think it's wrong to lie about service yeah i do.
But will it effect me? No.
It's the ones who lie online and try to get sympathy and money that'll set me off, but some homeless dude in ate up ACUs/OCPs won't bother me at all.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Dec 15 at 2019 11:07 PM

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I personally care a lot about stolen valor At the same time I’m very concerned about the contact of some of my brother Veterans who seem to go overboard when confronting somebody there are surely appropriate ways to challenge someone who’s trying to take advantage of the earned image that we Have but yelling and screaming at someone in the middle of the street by the store just doesn’t seem to be the right way in my opinion

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Dec 16 at 2019 12:42 AM

2019-12-16T00:42:40-05:00

Now this guy is a Laugh Out Loud, wannabe... He needs a rubber room more than anything else

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Dec 16 at 2019 1:52 PM

2019-12-16T13:52:56-05:00

Depends on the stolen valor. If its done by someone who never served, what does it matter? Secondly, receiving benefits for stolen valor appears to be impossible, so I would like to know when a case actually occurred, other than the 10% off you meal variety. I am talking about serious benefits. Thirdly, if they are active duty, not my problem. There's a channel for that. And finally, if they were active duty and "embellish," they always get exposed as idiots. A greater issue for me is how someone like James Clapper makes 3 star. I reserve my concern for that injustice.

Response by SrA Jason Adams made Dec 16 at 2019 2:43 PM

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It's not that I don't care, but I know that if I were to get called out on the spot for stolen valor I wouldn't be able to prove that I was in the military at that moment other than saying where I was stationed and any other number of things that could be easily looked up. I don't carry any pictures of myself in uniform, I didn't retire from the military so I don't have a military ID anymore and my DD214 was lost in a flood and I haven't had it replaced. The only thing I would be able to do is call one of the few people with whom I served and still keep in touch with to have them verify and some of these guys that are gung-ho about it probably wouldn't give me the chance.
If it's blatantly obvious I might say something, but other than that I would leave it alone.

Response by SPC Tim LaFountain made Dec 17 at 2019 11:30 AM

2019-12-17T11:30:06-05:00

I tend to look at it this way, it’s not that I don’t care but I have more important things to worry about.

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Dec 21 at 2019 8:11 AM

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I couldn't give a crap about someone pretending to be something they aren't until there is a financial benefit to them. Most are harmless attention seekers just looking for a pat on the back. Most of these instances of stolen valor occur where no real service member or Vet would be wearing dress uniforms or medals. Other than our hats, I can't think of anywhere in public I would wear a uniform. If your active duty, you may be flying in uniform, but you are also carrying orders. Majority of veterans have no ambition to "show off" their service. But it is not my place to call someone out if they do, or even if they are fake.

Response by CPO Bill Frey made Dec 23 at 2019 3:14 PM

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I feel that if someone wants to walk around pretending to be something they are not fine, Hollywood is full of them. However if someone is pulling some sort of con for goods or services and I’m either obviously involved or can help someone not be victimized by one of these assclowns then I’m likely to throw the BS flag in the posers’ face! Let the cards fall as they may!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2019 1:00 PM

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I don't agree with stolen valor. I think people that do that are scumbags. However, I don't agree with just going up to someone and accusing them of that. There are certain situations where I would agree with calling them out, like, in an obvious situation where you can clearly tell that they are impersonating a service member or vet. Even in those cases, it would be a good idea to approach those people with caution and tact. You never know what's going on in someone's in head or if they're armed or not. Just my two cents.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2019 3:16 PM

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Mostly I pity them. They cannot be a part of something bigger than themselves for whatever reason. So they make up a life they wish they had lived. Publicly shaming them only makes them feel worse.
I did my time and my service is nobody's business. I laugh inside when I see dressed like over the top soldiers, but leave them alone.

Response by SR Jeff Slaton made Dec 26 at 2019 5:30 PM

2019-12-26T17:30:30-05:00

I have had it happen to me.
I served aboard the USS HAMMERHEAD (SSN663) in the early 80's.
I still have a ball cap with the boats logo on it.
I was wearing it with my dolphins pinned to it and got challenged by a uniformed sailor.
I refused to answer him and I refused to show him id.

Response by SSG Patrick Williams made Dec 26 at 2019 6:04 PM

2019-12-26T18:04:58-05:00

I have a VA I'd card. A veterans choice card, mwr card and a VA service connected card. I wouldn't try to convince anyone of my service. My scars are enough.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2019 1:58 PM

2019-12-27T13:58:13-05:00

I feel the people who do this will get theirs through karma. It’s more comical to hear their stories of “classified” this and that. I let them tell their story and have a chuckle.

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Dec 27 at 2019 2:51 PM

2019-12-27T14:51:45-05:00

If they don’t care I doubt their actually vets

Response by Sgt David Hesser made Dec 27 at 2019 5:24 PM

2019-12-27T17:24:30-05:00

I care but not enough to challenge someone Incase I am wrong, besides how many senior officers and enlisted run around with awards they did not earn.

Response by 1SG Melvin Brown made Dec 27 at 2019 6:25 PM

2019-12-27T18:25:57-05:00

Well let’s see who this offends ,,, I served in the Navy and Army with three Iraq deployments so my retired Army uniform and awards are somewhat unique. I seldom wear it but do to some official gatherings. But I could encounter strangers traveling and so I carry a DD214 in my coat pocket. This is not for any interrogators but for the Police and Ambulance crew when they arrive. Although I’m getting older if any rude aggressive person gets within arms reach of me one of us or both may need the ambulance. The police always come too.
Good comments below. A good rule is don’t start no shit and you won’t have to eat no shit. Something like that.

Response by PO1 Degenerate Son made Dec 27 at 2019 9:47 PM

2019-12-27T21:47:46-05:00

I hv other things to worry about instead of policing over these clowns. If people wanna buy their sad but BS stories so be it.

Response by 1SG Ron Schlatter made Dec 28 at 2019 1:11 AM

2019-12-28T01:11:21-05:00

I dislike seeing anyone disrespecting a veteran! I might challenge them. If someone wants to pretend to have served let them! All though I did see a guy in BDU’s with sergeant stripes and a major oak leaf on his hat trying to convince us he was a sergeant major! The story he told us was funny. I retired 20 years ago after 26 years of Army service as a 1SG. We did have a good laugh!

Response by PO2 Graham Storey made Dec 28 at 2019 1:27 AM

2019-12-28T01:27:37-05:00

Raised my right hand for both the Navy in the 80's and the National Guard after 9-11 and don't get upset over this. Not a snowflake, and a strong supporter of the First Amendment. If some sorry soul wants to claim service they have more going wrong in their lives then a public shaming can cure.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2019 11:20 AM

2019-12-28T11:20:11-05:00

The only time I really care about the stolen valor is if it’s during a uniform inspection. Still in the military better be wearing the correct awards that matches your ORB or ERB.

Response by Maj Ryan Marr made Dec 28 at 2019 11:43 AM

2019-12-28T11:43:07-05:00

Let them be. We all know who the bullshitters are...their stories never make sense...I just place them in my “tool” category

Response by Sgt Paul Baughman made Dec 28 at 2019 11:52 AM

2019-12-28T11:52:34-05:00

I had a hat that has both USMC and 101st ABN DIV pins on it. Imagine all the little boot Marines and cherry soldiers I had to deal with while wearing it. “But those are ARMY pins...” “who did you serve with?” “Are you SURE you were in?”

I’m shopping with my family. I wear them because I’m proud of what I did and achieved in BOTH branches. I’m a Marine AND a Soldier. Stop thinking that just because it doesn’t jive right with YOU, you have to call someone out. Unless someone is trying to actually defraud an organization by misrepresenting themselves, let it go. Or at least practice a bit of tact.

Response by Cpl Ed Hines made Dec 28 at 2019 12:08 PM

2019-12-28T12:08:09-05:00

There are organizations out there in "Lego Land" (my descriptive word for the civilian world) that pursue these sorts of folks. Just fir some clarity: the civilian law enforcement land has declared it a crime to pass oneself off as a military/LEO member IF they are attempting to gain monetary compensation. Whether or not this has changed in recent years I dont know.

Beyond the legal implications, chasing someone down for stolen valor is wasted time. Clearly those involved in stolen valor are mentally/emotionally damaged. That said, I can understand why folks would do it: you dont get handed ANYTHING in the military so for some civilian idiot to come along and pretend that they were done Operational Ninja God is insulting.

The wasted time portion of this is in the feelings that, in reality, civilians might go "ooooh! Ahhhh!" But they don't really give a damn about what you did in the military. Truth be told, most employers would put you on par with a homeless person skill-wise. That's just my observation from my own experience. Commence to tantrum throwing if you feel so inclined.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Dec 28 at 2019 3:07 PM

2019-12-28T15:07:28-05:00

Most are recognizable for the clowns they are. As the above picture illustrates. . It is hard to get VA benefits without some proof of service. You certainly don't get much of anywhere calling them out. They will eventually fall into the hole they dig for themselves

Response by SFC Mark Lathan made Dec 28 at 2019 4:04 PM

2019-12-28T16:04:27-05:00

Worse than the stolen valor pukes, are the SJWs (Service Justice Warriors), that have appointed themselves as the vigilante-arbiters of valid service. Five years ago, I was attacked in Lowe’s parking lot by two of these bed-sheet brown stains. They first got upset because I parked in the Veteran space, and there was nothing on my truck to identify me as a vet. When, I got out of my truck, they saw me wearing my Desert Storm-era, boonie hat (I was gardening that day). According to them, if you weren’t deployed in the era they served (2005-2012; I retired in 2010), you weren’t really a combat vet, and you had no right to call yourself one. This then led to the physical altercation.

A word of advice to any SJWs on here: don’t attack a retiree, as he likely holds a CCW. If he doesn’t shoot you, but holds you for the police, the police are going to laugh about your urine soaked pants, all the way to the jail.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2019 3:41 AM

2019-12-29T03:41:17-05:00

I work in a bar downtown San Antonio. I am a vet. I served in Iraq. I see both real vets, and fake ones all the time. I have conversations with both. The difference between myself, and the boys online is this. The real ones, I shake their hands. If I find a hole that can’t be filled, have a nice day man. Bye. I don’t need to post it online. I don’t need to yell and scream. Just leave my place of business. I may not be able to tell them all real or fake. If I can’t disprove it, whatever. If it’s blatantly not true and I know it. Then I handle it professionally. If you can’t do that then who are you to call someone out. But I can’t speak for everyone else.

Response by SGT Gary Heffner made Dec 29 at 2019 9:41 AM

2019-12-29T09:41:30-05:00

Don't pretend to be something you are not, don't wear a badge or medal you did not earn and is not on your DD-214, and be proud of whatever level of military you served in. Problem solved.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2019 3:45 PM

2019-12-29T15:45:51-05:00

“Wrongfully reviewing benefits that the deserving need?” You mean these imposters are getting VA benefits or are your vigilante sirenes sounding because they’re getting discounts at the food court? I wish all our currency had printed on it what Franklin proposed for the Fugio cent: “Mind your business.”

Response by TSgt Clark Cook made Dec 29 at 2019 4:33 PM

2019-12-29T16:33:37-05:00

A number of years ago in my daily comute I noticed a pair of panhandlers at a certain intersection every day on my way home, they had a sign that indicating they were disabled Nam vets, one day as fortune would have it the traffic light stopped next to this pair, I got out a few bucks to give them, being a curious vet I asked when they were in country, one of them got hostile and said they were in Vietnam, they weren't in country, at that point I suggested they get lost and not run their phoney vet scam where I could see them. Other than people like thismost of them don't bother me!

Response by SGT Clint Henry made Dec 29 at 2019 11:18 PM

2019-12-29T23:18:37-05:00

Well, maybe I see it a bit differently...

It’s not the level of fake valor being stolen, it’s simply the fact that a person that has never served or maybe they did but feel the need to exaggerate their accomplishments feels the need to try and amp up who they want to be is to much for me.

I was a SGT that’s all, no ranger tab, no SF tab, nothing special. Just a soldier.....

And to see people trying to gain recognition for things they haven’t earned....
I’m sorry...I can’t accept that.

And yes I agree, I would be furious if someone tried to get my uncles proof of service from Vietnam....

Times are different now and people will do anything for recognition...

Earn it or don’t claim it....period

Response by SPC Robert Buckalew made Dec 30 at 2019 1:38 PM

2019-12-30T13:38:59-05:00

I served in the army national guard from '89-'97 and have my veterans card from the state of Oregon. I've never been in combat, but would have gone to proudly serve my country! Sadly I never got the chance. I consider myself a veteran as does the state of Oregon. But to a lot of people I'm not a veteran, because I was never in combat. I AM A VETERAN, BECAUSE MY OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION SAYS I AM!

Response by PO2 Erik Gonzales made Jan 2 at 2020 6:50 PM

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If it’s blatantly obvious. I’ll call him or her out. For the most part, I just keep it moving. I don’t want to accuse a Real Vet of not being one.

Response by PO1 Jim Tullis made Jan 2 at 2020 8:02 PM

2020-01-02T20:02:11-05:00

Any wannabes out there are welcome to keep acting the part. Those of us who did serve can tell the wolves from the sheep. I have nothing but contempt and loathing for the imposters, for the tru vets, nothing but respect!

Response by CMSgt Donald Felch made Jan 4 at 2020 7:28 AM

2020-01-04T07:28:45-05:00

Dressing in costume is not stealing anything from anyone. Obtaining goods and services you did not earn is stealing. I am a 30-year retiree with in-country experience. I. Literally. Don’t. Care.

Response by Samir Joza made Jan 4 at 2020 10:51 AM

2020-01-04T10:51:32-05:00

Stolen valor is bad, we are in agreement here, having to show papers to some soldiers because they don’t believe one is a vet, in a normal conversation, is wrong. I was once asked to show my dd214, I am a vet of the German Army, we don’t have that but I trained with my US brothers quite often. To clarify, my DD214 was requested, because I wanted to get my unit‘s insignia tattooed, not because I wanted some sort of benefit.

Response by SPC James Hickey made Jan 4 at 2020 2:10 PM

2020-01-04T14:10:45-05:00

I have 3 buddy’s MIA near Tuy Hoa after their chopper crashed that wood disagree with you clowns that think it’s ok.

Response by SPC Hector Rodriguez made Jan 4 at 2020 3:40 PM

2020-01-04T15:40:59-05:00

Because that's what I served for. I served for people to utilize their freedom of speech and expression. And their life doesn't impact me none. If it makes them feel good, why not? I'm sure, if they're that brazen about their lies, their personal life isn't all that good anyways, so if you want to get off on their suffering just imagine that: their life sucks because they have a really bad issue with lying.

Response by CPT Carl Moore made Jan 4 at 2020 6:38 PM

2020-01-04T18:38:35-05:00

Posers will always exist. They are worthless POS’s not worth the powder it would take to blow them to he**. Those who pose for gain, turn them in and let the law take care of it. That’s is called fraud and it is a crime, including impersonating a soldier.

Response by SFC William Buckley made Jan 4 at 2020 6:52 PM

2020-01-04T18:52:22-05:00

I’m pretty sure that we all served to allow people to live with these freedoms. Several other countries would jail or kill you for this. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like it and think those that do it should face appropriate charges, but would never embarrass a possible Veteran to make a point.

Response by MSG Mark Stinson made Jan 4 at 2020 10:55 PM

2020-01-04T22:55:58-05:00

I normally don’t care, BUT; when they claim to be a Special Forces vet or for that matter a Navy SEAL. Why, because of what it takes to earn the right to wear the SPECIAL FORCES Tab or Trident. I started the Special Forces Training Group (now Called the Q Course) in Sep 1968 and graduated Aug 1969 and arrived in the Nam, 17 Sep 1969. Anyone can try to become a Green Beret but it’s so much easier to simply purchase a Green Beret and some awards.
About the training, here we are during the Commo Course 18E trying to pass the field exercise in February 1969. Cold, no very cold and so much equipment we needed a long sturdy branch to assist with all of the equipment. The head shot taken when I returned from the Nam.
I was wearing a ball cap that had a Special Forces Tab and this old guy asked me where I got the cap. I smiled and replied at the SFA (Special Forces Association) Convention, and if questioned further I’d show him my SFA Membership Card.

Response by SGT Gerry Kramer made Jan 5 at 2020 2:17 PM

2020-01-05T14:17:28-05:00

I’m not in the army anymore. Even though I served, it has no bearing on me providing for my wife and children. If someone is so miserable in their own life they have to make up a fake life to make it through, not my monkeys, not my circus. Imitation is the best form of flattery. All of this being said, Who am I to call anyone else on their service record?

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Jan 5 at 2020 11:26 PM

2020-01-05T23:26:22-05:00

Of course that picture isn't quite stolen valor....more like mental illness and stupidity mixed!

Response by SPC David Hulme made Jan 6 at 2020 8:33 AM

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I’ve only confronted 2 people. Both of whom I knew for a fact were full of it. The first was a medical discharge out of basic telling everyone he was trained to lead a “military hostage breach team”. The 2nd was a reservist that left for basic, six weeks later showed up to church in BDUs wearing a combat patch(it was not a drill weekend). I knew he had not even completed basic and he was just trying to cash in on the good will before people found out what a POS he was. I politely told his mother-in-law to inform him if I ever was him wearing that patch again on his right arm I’d rip it off. (I didn’t mean the patch and she knew it. This punk was in a church full of WW2, Korea and Vietnam vets disrespecting the hell out of them IMO.

I then went to the Reserve unit on Monday and informed them of what he was doing. I was informed by the SFC I talked to that he’d handle it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2020 8:15 PM

2020-01-06T20:15:51-05:00

I am proud to have served, but now choose to be anonymous. I personally do not care what “bling” people choose to ware. I know my service. They should know their’s.

Response by SSG Timothy Stevenson made Jan 6 at 2020 11:29 PM

2020-01-06T23:29:38-05:00

I know what I did and who I did it for, with that said I have gotten my fair share of people who give me shit as a mechanic with a Ranger tab, Jump Master and Air Assault wings and have no CIB, I do have a CAB because I do not hold a 11 or 18 series MOS. I went to Ranger School at the request of the CSM when I was on TDY at McGregor Range in the early 90’s. I am more than willing to produce my 214 and as far as I am concerned, be proud of what you did, cook to mechanic.

Response by SFC Michael W. made Jan 10 at 2020 9:13 AM

2020-01-10T09:13:32-05:00

My thing is this, if the fakers are caught impersonating a soldier, sailor, airman or marine they should be arrested...period. We have fellow comrades who served, deployed and some who paid the ultimate sacrifice for these wannabe dirtbags! I am not the law, nor can I recognized every single military medals or awards given out from WW! to Iraqi Freedom.

But, I will say this...if one of these dirtbags approaches me talking trash about what they did in the military and it sounds like a lot of BS then I WILL CHALLENGE him about the time and place it happened! And if it's BS I'd tell him I doubt it and go about my way...

What I won't do is stand there and argue with the faker. Now, if he/she ups the tempo and keeps insisting then that's a different story...

Response by SSG Luis Pena made Jan 12 at 2020 4:55 PM

2020-01-12T16:55:46-05:00

The reason that i don't really care about stolen valor is because of all the non combat soldiers out there claiming ptsd for operations that they were never involved in or fire fights that they were never in. Some jack ass claiming an award or ribbon that they never earned doesn't bother me as much as some poge getting 100% med retirement from the VA for a PTSD for a firefight that they heard someone talk about with their buddies.

Response by SFC Kenneth Kreps made Jan 20 at 2020 8:59 AM

2020-01-20T08:59:58-05:00

It's not that I don't care, I just don't go out of my way to try to prove someone is actually a vet. I'll do the polite thing ,thank him for his/her service, then move on. If, by chance a conversation ensues, it doesn't take but a couple of well placed questions to know if that person is actually a vet. People walking around with pins, medal and patches doesn't bother me. It's the one attempting to get unauthorized benefit that bothers me. Rant over.

Response by LTC David Howard made Jan 22 at 2020 9:07 AM

2020-01-22T09:07:55-05:00

I've never encountered or even heard of anyone behaving like that. Sometimes I wear a hat, in the style of the jungle soft cap we wore in Vietnam, which says Vietnam vet, and I have my branch insignia and my retirement rank pinned to the hat. I have been thanked for my service, or sometimes asked when and who I served with in Vietnam, but never confronted or had someone demand to see proof of my being a vet. In fact I always have my retired ID card in my wallet, but there is no way I would even think I had to prove my status to some obnoxious stranger. (But who carried a copy of their DD214 with them anyway?) If someone got too pushy about it I might show them my firearm which I carry concealed at pretty much all times.

Response by Lazaro Alcazar made Jan 22 at 2020 2:29 PM

2020-01-22T14:29:22-05:00

Respect a veteran of war for they are and have gone through...

Response by SSgt Jon Hall made Jan 22 at 2020 4:31 PM

2020-01-22T16:31:10-05:00

The guy in the picture is obviously a nut job and couldn't seriously be considered as a vet. I too served from '67 to '77 and wasn't issued an ID card or registered with the VA. Proving to be a vet can be complicated as there are different kinds of vets. Some are non-qualifying vets depending on the benefits being applied for. For instance they may have simply timed out. Thats between the applicant and the VA. Doesnt matter for a simple store discount but vet validation does. I found one easy solution is by joining a group like VetFriends.com who will validate service and issue a hard veteran membership card including an optional picture. Included are status, branch, rank and years served. also has a "military service verified" emblem on it. Membership also has group discounts and friend locator. It works as validation in most places except government applications.
The state of Texas driver license has the word veteran on it if proof is demonstrated. This helps with identification also but doesn't note what benefits the individual qualifies for just that they are a veteran. They dont get into all the different scenarios. Several definitions of "veteran" have been posted with some items being completely false and others conditional. There is an interesting factoid that I ran across while the American Legion manuals that hasn't been mentioned like active duty for training orders for reserves and national guard not all being the same. Active duty for training doesn't count for service time for pre 9/11 folks usually. I did find that service has different categories which may count as veteran classification (active duty station) but may not meet the VA benefit requirements like 180 days consecutive or non-qualified status. That number can be found on the lower left bottom of the DD214 even if its not a final DD214 with a discharge on it. The vet can also be issued an Honorable Discharge certificate and no final DD214.
So proving veteran status can be complicated and depends on the benefits being applied for and with which organization. So as far as proving veteran status (yes /no) is a lot easier to prove for inquiring minds. There's and old sayin' mommas' used to tell their kids "dont borrow trouble" so dont ware a bunch of undeserved awards or brag about fictional war service. You will be called out. Simply know your status and your due benefits. to those that matter.

Response by LT Steve Wilson made Jan 22 at 2020 9:23 PM

2020-01-22T21:23:44-05:00

I feel sorry for someone who would actually execute a Stolen Valor charade.
They obviously are missing something in their life that requires them to steal honor instead of earn it. It is really kinda sad. I have served in the USAF (enlisted) and in the Navy (commissioned) as well as a liaison with the Marines and have seen enough servicemembers from various branches to realize just because someone doesn't look the part doesn't necessarily mean they didn't serve (or are currently serving).

Would you really want to be the person who ragged out a true Veteran because you thought they were a phoney? How would you react if someone accused you of Stolen Valor?

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Jan 23 at 2020 11:35 AM

2020-01-23T11:35:02-05:00

Well I have to add another perspective on this. I am a Vet, my brother is also a vet and my father, grandfather and great-grandfather are all vets. Now to my comment. When my brother and I were serving my father used to wear an army hat with my brothers rank on it. I did think it was weird but I knew he did it because he was really proud of him. I was too. This was more than thirty years ago and my father is no longer with us. I wonder if now he would have been accosted outside Walmart now for stolen valor.

Ironically I now have two sons serving in the Army. I do wear Army shirts to show my support of them and I am so proud of both of them. I wouldn’t want to wear a cover with their rank on it, but that’s just me. I never told my father it was wrong to wear the cover and rank of his son and I don’t think I would tell a stranger to take off the cover if they did it to honor their son or daughter.

No I’m not a proponent of stolen valor. Guess all I’m saying is you never know why someone is doing something.

Response by SSG David Fetty made Jan 24 at 2020 12:33 AM

2020-01-24T00:33:39-05:00

It seems to me that too many of the "Stolen Valor Warriors" are more concerned with showing how great their achievements were and less about correcting the problem shown (Look how much of a badass I am, I totally got in the face of that homeless, disabled, mentally handicapped, etc, and tried to make him cry) . Like so many have said, a short conversation shows who they are. There are organizations dedicated to protecting against stolen valor, and there are laws, but the 3 minute video on You Tube seems more about aggrandizement and self glory than making sure someone isn't stealing a 10% burger discount. 15 minutes of fame...

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2020 6:25 AM

2020-01-24T06:25:05-05:00

Was the person claiming to be a Veteran there before you walked up on him/her? Will they be there after you walk away. Sure, if they aren't accosting anyone then why bother with them? Not worth the emotional investment. Smile and move on.

Response by SSG James N. made Jan 24 at 2020 8:34 AM

2020-01-24T08:34:40-05:00

Who cares if they are fake? I DO know there is a special place in psychological hell for these people. IF, however, you are so obviously wrong in wear and appearance of the fake uniform, I will step up and say something, especially if I see others giving them thank you's based on my dead friend's backs.
Case in point, dude with a sign, holding a white kind of ID saying disabled vet with cancer, wife is vet and they need money for medical. I walked down, just to look at this ID card. Then I showed this asshole what a real one looks like, took his fake ass sign and tossed it. Three days later I had the pleasure of seeing a female with a sign, pack it up, walk away as I was at a stop sign in the same parking lot. This cunnie walks towards fake vet guy, whistles, and walks towards a shiny SUV. I told dude if I ever saw him with VA shit again, I'd beat his ass. Old me from Korea WWII, no problem, carry on. Viet Nam guys, I'm going to ask you where and when you served simply to see if you might have known my uncle when he was TRIM in Da Nang. Desert Storm, do your thing. OEF/OIF, these Gen X and Millinial fakers are too easy to spot

Response by PO1 Lonnie Sasser made Jan 24 at 2020 5:30 PM

2020-01-24T17:30:19-05:00

I tell those demanding SOB's to F--k off. I don't justify myself to anyone without official documents to prove they are entitled to question me.

Response by Sgt Crusty Buck made Jan 25 at 2020 10:39 PM

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It’s obvious what it is. The last 2 subjects on the tags for this question make me not care. They have no honor or integrity. So long as they aren’t using public ignorance to Gain anything financially, it’s really not a problem, a man child or woman child playing dress up. You assaulting them or harassing them just gets sympathy from the public and makes vets look bad. (Oh he/she couldn’t serve so their wearing is expressing support and that mean bet yelled at him/her) it’s obvious who’s real and not. So as long as they aren’t hurting anything who cares, freedom of speech self expression pursuit of happiness Take your pick, anything we signed to defend protects their rights to do so.

Side note, any veteran cowardly enough to harass people over shit like this (unless you know being disrespectful at a memorial burial etc) probably wasn’t a good service member and will he seen below those who do stolen valor, and attacking older vets is grounds for bigger problems.

I’m contracting right now and I’ll use my retired Id (medically) and get all kinds of sideways looks, from active duty and local nationals alike, and you can’t be here if you aren’t serving or under the DOD or Individual sister services. I’ve had to show orders and validate myself before. Human nature involve skepticism. Can’t fault people for being people.

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Jan 26 at 2020 1:37 PM

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Stolen Valor is a mental issue, I would rather them wear a uniform wanting recognition however wrong, then seek other outlets possibly harmful to themselves or others.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 26 at 2020 6:45 PM

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I have been ask or challenged a few times in the past 50 yrs. I have found the best answer has been, if you have to ask you have assumed something. That has just made an ass of yourself. That normally end the discussion, if not I just stare and shake my head. Not worth my time. My dad was a WWII and Vietnam vet. A young pup in his 20s challenged him when he was 75. I took all I had to keep the old man from ripping the pups head off at a VFW meeting. About 5 min later he returned to apologize, the rest of the members corrected his attitude in a hurry. The old man was in OSS in WWII , and was in the 10th SF. Glad I could stop him

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jan 26 at 2020 11:18 PM

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Stolen Valor could also be ExVets drawing undeserved benefits and making false claims for help.
I've personally seen it done and couldn't do anything about it...

Response by CPL Rustin Briggs made Jan 27 at 2020 10:26 AM

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A few years back I ran into a old man with a 101 ABN hat on. I told him I had spent some time with those guys and he said yep I had 5 combat jumps with them in WWII, in my mind I thought ok sure thing I knew definitely of 2 maybe 3 that members of the 101st had done so I played along. I did t challenge him or any crazy thing like that. But then he said to me “ your calling me a damn liar aren’t you” and I told him I didn’t say anything and was just listening. He then said “ pull up a chair son and grab some education”. He then told me that it was Normandy, Operation market garden, and those were the 2 everyone knew of. But then told me he had 2 pathfinder jumps one of which carried radio equipment to guide the cargo planes into Bastogne so our troops could get resupplied instead of giving it to the Germans. And then he told me of one he still couldn’t talk about. Then I threw the BS flag but not to where he could see it. He gave me his card and told me to call and we would have a better talk. His very proud great granddaughter then introduced us. The man was Jake Mcniece, aka the man you see in d-day pictures shaving his men’s hair into Mohawks to scare the Germans, oh and he is also known as the team Sargent of the Filthy Thirteen, the group that the movie and book the dirty dozen was written about. Had I asked him for papers or proof that old man still could have stomped a mud hole in my sole. By the way we had several conversations later and he was truly a great man and a hero to me.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Jan 27 at 2020 12:24 PM

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I guess it depends what the purpose of the stolen valor is. If it is to attempt to gain some unearned respect by a person that is morally empty, I don't see that as affecting anyone but the person running the charade. They have to live with their unfulfilled lives. If phony praise is what they need to sustain themselves then they have much bigger issues in their lives.
Now if it is someone using stolen valor to steal services or benefits, then I say prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. That is just theft plain and simple.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Jan 27 at 2020 12:25 PM

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Response by PO1 Robert Vasseur made Jan 27 at 2020 1:00 PM

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I frequently wear a "Tincan Navy" ball cap just for the fun, because I enjoy responding to questions like "What's a tin can"? But on the cap are embroidered the Vietnam Service ribbon, National Defense ribbon, and the RVCM, all and more of which I am qualified to wear. I have never yet had anyone approach me doubting authenticity. If someone did, they would probably be told by me and/or my wife to go pound sand (or perhaps in my case a much more colorful phrase). I've got all kinds of VA, California, and DOD ID's in my wallet, but does anyone think that I would take them out to prove anything to some ding-a-ling so totally bereft of common courtesy? I put stolen valor on lower level than most other fraud varieties, and former service members justifiably find it more personal, especially when he has lost brothers in honorable service, and all of us have really, but we need to give someone the benefit of the doubt. In most circumstances, it doesn't cost a thing. But when it has the potential to be more expensive, be sure to first tie up your camel.

Response by SPC John Estabrook made Jan 28 at 2020 8:49 AM

2020-01-28T08:49:14-05:00

I guess if someone asked you for proof of service you would be entitled to ask them for proof too. How else would you know

Response by SGT Matthew Howell made Jan 28 at 2020 12:12 PM

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The biggest problem I see is 99% of people that actually served in the military now claim that they were a Navy SEAL, Ranger or Special Forces. I guess I’m the only veteran that was just a plain old helicopter mechanic. I don’t get mad, I think it’s hilarious. If you talk to these guys for 5 minutes you can tell they never graduated basic. But hey, be all that you can be.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2020 5:44 PM

2020-01-28T17:44:07-05:00

We misuse the term Stolen Valor. The Stolen Valor Act specifically uses the term stolen as the intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit. The person fraudulently holds himself or herself out to be a recipient of a variety of COMBAT medals and/awards. It has nothing to do with a guy wearing BDU/ACUs in the mall wearing 3 Ranger Tabs and a set of Columbian jump wings. Those ridiculous videos of various veterans who berate (largely mentally ill people) because “they’ve got friends who died bullshit” has nothing to do with stolen valor. Stolen Valor is the guy claiming to be a retired Colonel with the Medal of Honor who uses the fake persona to teach leadership training to the Rotary Club for
$300/hr. The guys who want to play let’s pretend, or legitimately suffer from a personality disorder...leave them alone. Who cares?! Stop being an asshole and let people be.

Response by SGT Josh Rhoden made Jan 29 at 2020 7:10 AM

2020-01-29T07:10:08-05:00

If you think the guy in the pic is a case of "stolen valor" you need to step back and reevaluate things.
It only becomes stolen valor when they try and get money/ services from the people or the government, until then they are just douchebags playing dress up.

Response by SFC Stuart Stevens made Jan 29 at 2020 11:03 PM

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As a VFW Commander, I meet a lot of Veterans the only time I need verification is if they are asking to join the post or asking for financial assistance. Most phonies oversell themselves and we have a good laugh about them. As far as wearing crap, it’s a free country because of us. Those that use their lies for financial gain should be held accountable and thankfully there are people out there looking for these low lifes.

Response by SSgt Charles H made Jan 30 at 2020 5:34 AM

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I’ve been out since 2007... hard to believe almost 13 years now. Did my time and done. Never gone to the VA nor have I bothered to go get any sort of veteran ID card, although I did print a document from the VA website that shows sevice, DoD ID number and name along with a DoD or VA watermark behind. It folds nicely into your wallet and I used it to sign up for my Lowe’s 10% discount (since we were buying about $3000 worth of appliances). The Lowe’s clerk had never seen this and a slightly younger gentlemen behind me tried to say he was a “real” veteran and I was “posing as a stolen valor motherf**ker.” I felt a certain amount of rage boiling up as this grunt style wearing douche kept his pie hole running but I brushed it off. He slammed is VA benefits card down and said this is what a real vet has to show you. Of course he kept the show going for a few minutes. Fortunately my wife is calm and much better tempered than I am, I have a feeling that would have escalated and one or both of would have wound up in cuffs. Either way the clerk was able to confirm it’s legit and acceptable with photo ID. So we moved on.

I’ve very very rarely leveraged veteran status for anything other than my Lowe’s discount and VA home loan and still have yet to bother getting what that Mat Best wannabe calls a “a real vets ID.”

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 1:20 PM

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Some people out there just go overly insane with individuals claiming to be in the service or having served. There is a difference between those who want to appear as vets, and others who just want to benefit from it. If you see someone wearing the uniform the wrong way, it is your responsibility to make a spot correction. If it is something that is completely out of wack, there is no sense of shaming the individual. Just tell them what is wrong, instead of trying to get it from them. Stolen valor is not about the wear of the uniform, is about trying to benefit from it. For the longest of times, people would walk around wearing camouflage utilities, and no-one would care; they are confortable, or were. Now is such a big thing. Those who really commit the offense of stolen valor, are those who claim to have served, with any unit, and try to benefit from the experience they "gained" while serving, or the mere fact of serving would provide. Not any Joe deserves that attention. I travel on a constant basis, and I board when they call Active Duty, never in uniform. I have never had someone stop me at the gate to ask for proper identification, and sometimes, I wish they would so I can school them. Now a days, a lot of those "policing" stolen valor, are those who served a few years, and ALSO claim to have served with elite units. But for some weird reason, served but 2-5 years. Go figure. Put your time in, be humble, and go in peace.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 2 at 2020 9:02 AM

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15 minutes of attention.
Bitch slap either one.

Response by TSgt Francis Dane made Feb 2 at 2020 3:40 PM

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I may be in the minority about this, but the phrase 'stolen valor" doesn't even make sense to me. No one can take away from what I did in uniform. I did it; I own it; no one can diminish it. If someone else wants to claim service they did not perform, it does not affect my service at all. Someone else's dishonesty does not affect my honesty. Yes, it defrauds those who offer discounts to veterans, and anyone who commits fraud should be prosecuted, but I am no more (or less) annoyed by that kind of fraud than any other kind of fraud.

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Feb 2 at 2020 3:44 PM

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Humbleness People who steal valor do so to gain benefit, attention or whatever. If I see a older person who claims it? Who am I? If I see a young kid claiming combat experience that can’t even grow whiskers? That’s different.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Feb 2 at 2020 7:42 PM

2020-02-02T19:42:11-05:00

Bigger fish to fry

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2020 4:16 PM

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In the end result, they will always be found out. They then have to live with the knowledge. There is a large swath of people that abuse the system just like any other system that human nature and to say that it is a problem well okay it is a problem. Does the crime stolen valor need enforcement or education that is for another thread?

Response by PV2 Van Allen made Feb 5 at 2020 9:45 PM

2020-02-05T21:45:34-05:00

I care but I am not going to challenge someone.

Response by SFC William Snyder made Feb 10 at 2020 9:32 AM

2020-02-10T09:32:19-05:00

There are wannabes everywhere, But when they use this to gain something, then its wrong. Some even in our Government have been posers. I have trouble with someone challenging a 70 something year old man, but there have been some that age that have done it. Just make sure your right before you embarrass someone, or make a fool of yourself.

Response by Sgt Michael Gondek made Feb 20 at 2020 1:42 PM

2020-02-20T13:42:53-05:00

I gotta comment on this. The phonies who figure out a way to receive benefits from the government will get theirs in the end, and yes it’s f-d up, make no mistake about that, but now a days walking up to a stranger and DEMANDING anything is a great and sure fire way to get shot point blank and I’ll be the first to admit, this would be my reaction immediately, no questions asked. If you believe that some is commuting “Stolen Valor”. And is getting benefits, turn them in to the police or your local VA. Do not
Put yourself in a position that could very well lead to a physical altercation, and land you in jail for doing what you think is right, and most people would agree with you, given the circumstances on how you approached the situation, but I’ve seen too many needless altercations over this. I care, I care a lot but there has to be a point in which common sense keeps you free and clear.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 7:35 AM

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To those that don't care about Stolen Valor, what makes you not care?
Why don't I care? Because for one thing mistakes are too easily made thinking someone is wearing a uniform or medal they didn't earn. Or claiming military service when they never served.
I never experienced anything close to that until a few months ago. I posted the attached photo on a military Facebook page I am a member of. Another member called me out saying i was wearing a purple heart and didn't even know the correct order of the purple heart. He was referring to the very last medal of my cluster on the right.
I posted the photo simply to show my pride in being able to wear my uniform even though I have been retired for 30 years. At first I had no idea what the guy was talking about and I'll be honest IT HURT that someone would think I was wearing an unearned medal much less a purple heart.
I explained to the member that wasn't a purple heart but an Air Force training ribbon...which unleashed a torrent of abuse from this guy.
Finally other members came to my defense and then the guy really unloaded...it wasn't until an officer I was stationed with as an Lt came to my defense and reiterated it was an Air Force training ribbon and he knew my integrity would prevent me from doing what the guy accused me of.

So that's one reason I'm not real sensitive to those who claim someone is claiming something they never earned.

Response by CMSgt John Reeves made Mar 2 at 2020 10:23 PM

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Seriously does this picture look like stolen valor? I think this looks more like a costume gone bad. Stolen Vslor to me is when someone is actually wearing the uniform proper and passing him/herself as a wounded warrior for benefits not earned or making presentations to the public about military actions or experiences which are bogus.

Response by SSG Jeff Forker made Mar 3 at 2020 8:50 PM

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I only care and get involved if the poser is taking it, or taken it, public. The Stolen Valor Act stipulates that only persons who have lied about their service who have benefited financially or won a public office or who forged military or government records can be investigated and charged.

A guy in a bar trying to get beers or get laid, I might not say anything. But it depends. I will approach a guy wearing an SF hat or shirt, because I was SF and want to meet SF brothers, but if the guy is not I will call him out, but will not go to extremes. Done that in the past and it does not end well. The law does not allow for us to beat anyone up and rip a shirt off them just because they did not earn what is on the shirt.

I have seen young vets accuse older vets of being a poser because the older guy to did not pass their smell test, such as he didn't know "Hoo-ah" or "woobie" or newer terms. Got to be careful. And aging affects memories. People forget things that used to be important. I have met older vets, like WW2, who forgot what a company and a platoon are/were.

I know of situations where guys confronted posers, who really were pushing it as posers, and the poser passed out, one even in one case had a heart attack. That puts the accuser in a vulnerable position, legally. So, approach is important, thus some sort of considered plan, strategy and tactics, when confronting someone. All poser hunters have protocols, methods, etc, that they follow.

I only get involved anymore when honor dictates that I cannot do otherwise. Recently had a guy who had made a video with claims of heroism in Vietnam, SF medic, 54 combat jumps, LRRP, 5 Purple Hearts, the list goes on. It was like he was claiming to be Santa Clause. His 214 showed that he spent 2 years in Germany as a clerk. And that's it. I had to take point on him because I am local to that case.

Another case, a couple years ago, involved a guy who was coming to town to teach a college course on terrorism. He has written books and claimed to be Ranger, SEAL, SF, SAS and Russian Spetznaz. I shit you not. I had no choice. Honor dictated. The college canceled him. He was medically discharge out of US Army Basic Training in the late 1980s. Can't make this shit up.

Guys in bars wearing hats or shirt, or bullshitting, I approach, ask few questions, if a poser I call them out, tell them they're pathetic, something like that, shake my head in disgust, stare at them long enough to make them uncomfy. That usually has desired effect. Ironically, it is usually wives and girlfriends that get angry and mouthy at me in those situations.

I know guys for whom hunting posers is their daily hobby. They do it with gusto and vengeance. Not me. Too depressing. There's just too many of them, posers. I think they're numbers are increasing, in spite of the Internet and how much easier it is for them to be found and busted.

I often approach people who are wearing Airborne or Ranger or SF T-shirts, just to say "Hello". Often they say that their son or daughter is Abn, Ranger or SF. That's a bit weird, but I just smile and ask them to convey my greetings.

You just got to be real careful, and certain.

Response by 1SG Marcus Whitfield made Mar 3 at 2020 11:43 PM

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I came across a homeless man in Reno once and he was holding a “homeless veteran”, I asked him what branch, what unit, what rank, he could not answer any of them,,,,, I took his sign away and told him I was a veteran and if I ever caught him disrespecting our military again I would kick his ass,,,, next day he had another sign but nothing about being a veteran.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2020 4:09 AM

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I honestly don't care if an obvious faker is walking around public. Now when this faker starts trying to get military discounts or whatever, THEN that's when they need to be arrested and fined.

Response by CPO Michael Hatten made Mar 4 at 2020 11:07 AM

2020-03-04T11:07:13-05:00

I care a little about stolen valor but not that much. The medals, ratings, and warfare pins mean a lot while you're in the service but in the civilian world, not so much. In the civilian world you might get a "thank you for your service" and maybe a discount at Lowes but otherwise it's what you are doing right now that counts. The real value of your service -- discipline, commitment to mission, teamwork -- can't be faked and will be recognized a lot more than gedunk on your chest.

Response by SA Charles Scarbrough made Mar 4 at 2020 7:03 PM

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Those that are truly honorable about their Valor, don't need validation from any anyone else.

Those who are stealing Valor, will not be dissuaded because someone makes a scene.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 4:06 PM

2020-03-05T16:06:03-05:00

As many have stated, there are lots of different situations. I was walking out of a WAWA convenience store and an older guy had some partial uniform items and a few pins and such. He saw my Bronze Star license plate (my wife got me it for Christmas, didn't want it at first but have had some great meet and greets with fellow vets because of it). He thanked me for my service and started talking. He had some Army unit jargon correct, then some that clearly wasn't. It was also clear to me VERY quickly that he had some mental illness. Harmless, wasn't asking for anything, just wanted to talk. Most of the laws that address this state it's only if Stolen Valor is used to benefit the person by receipt of goods or services. If I personally observed that and KNEW 100% that they were a faker, I'd just call the police and let them handle it. I served 35 years active duty and don't have to prove anything to anyone but I have my retired ID card and American Legion card if needed. We have men dressed as women reading to our kids in school, that's the hill I'll die on.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 5 at 2020 6:34 PM

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A phonie is easy to spot in most cases because they do not know the history of the time they claim to have served.. I have found and exposed three phonies to local vets organizations. I have also found several vets who suffer from PTSD that don't remember the dares they served very well. I help the vets where I can, but it takes all of us to help our brothers and sisters in need. You see a phony, then make sure they are and expose them. You most definetly cannot print out a VA card that looks real from an online shop... Maybe a forgery expert, but not otherwise... JP

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 9:36 PM

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If the person in question is using 'Stolen Valor' to commit fraud, then I care. If not, I just think how much it must suck to be them and press on. That is most of it. The rest is that having been there and done that, I know the Awards and Decorations I have, what I really did to get them and I'm not that impressed with myself. I went, I did and I came home. I did nothing 'spectacular' but I know people who ate the same dirt I did and claim they did spectacular shit.... Is THAT Stolen Valor? No. As long as they are not trying to commit fraud, I do not care.

Response by Steve Nicholson made Mar 8 at 2020 10:21 AM

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My two issues, I’ve seen too many YouTube videos of vets running up to the homeless and accusing them of stolen valor. The second is that some vets are just accusing anyone for the sake of it. My buddy was flying back to his AIT after HBL and he had his AIT patch on his left shoulder. Someone at the airport approached him and asked what his patch was because he’s never “seen it before”. Stolen valor is a huge problem and should be addressed. But it only truley bothers me if it’s someone actually trying to profit from it. Putting it on their resume, writing books, adding it to their business, running for politics etc. The mentally ill homeless man should be left alone. Or, god forbid helped.

Response by MAJ Dean Thompson made Mar 8 at 2020 1:12 PM

2020-03-08T13:12:33-04:00

I care!

Response by MAJ Doug Mattox made Mar 8 at 2020 8:00 PM

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I do care about the ones who are trying to do it for gain. Many of the ones I see on youtube and other social media sources are guys who have mental problems. I do not see the need to call them out or attempt to humiliate them. They have enough problems and I have other things that need my attention. I look at it as them looking up to us and wanting to be like us. So for many of the wannabes I do not care. It is a mental issue and I see it as harmless.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2020 3:20 AM

2020-03-09T03:20:31-04:00

10% off at Home Depot is not a discount that takes away from other veterans in need. I would dare say if some stolen valor managed to defraud the VA it would be terrible, but also next to impossible. And also the impact would be so low it’s almost not even a factor. It just pisses you off, that’s the only reason. You feel special and how dare somebody compare themselves to you or your brothers who didn’t earn it. That’s life kid, people get a lot of things they don’t deserve, it sucks, but we embrace the suck.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 6:05 PM

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I usually see three types of "Stolen Valor" groups and I don't think they should be treated equally. The first is the worst. They are the scammers, and they are people, including Vets, who are scamming the Government with false claims and getting benefits they haven't really earned and likely fooled someone into giving them to them by either gaming the system of just plain lying. Generally, they are those who are claiming PTSD, who never saw a minute in combat, or another injury they didn't get due to service and they are getting benefits. They are committing fraud and I wish the Government would expose and prosecute them.
The second group are the posers. They want the attention of being a Veteran and they are outraged when they either don't get it, or perceive they are being disrespected somehow. They claim this store or that organization hate Vets and shouldn't be patronized because of some BS slight or the discount isn't like others. They are ungrateful and entitled and think their status as a Vet makes them a superior citizen or know it all because they served. They are "look at me" people and they come from all ages and military experiences and backgrounds. I hate them as much as I hate the first group and I call them out whenever I can.
The last group are the sad sacks. They are mentally challenged people, or people who need attention so desperately they present themselves as Vets. They are the easiest to spot and all I have for them is sympathy and compassion. They desperately want to be recognized like they see Vets recognized and there is a backhanded compliment they want to be Vets. They are still wrong but they don't know how or why they are wrong. They are also almost always harmless. Unfortunately, they are also the ones I see on YouTube videos or in memes being shamed and ridiculed. I think we as Vets should be able to show them compassion and instead of going for the likes and the click baits, we should try to make it a learning moment and get them help or explain to them there are other ways for them to go about it.
I think the more we are seen shaming and bullying them, the more we disgrace ourselves.

Response by PO1 Paul Jungnitsch made Mar 13 at 2020 1:23 AM

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The hard line:
Most criminals rely on ignorance or indifference to their activities. It is not the real veterans or the VA who are being fooled. It is the civilians. Responsible citizens are needed to help maintain the rule of law and civilization, by being above average in confronting crime. Lying to get a handout is fraud. Displaying real (not fake) medals not earned is criminal. Do a small part to help us all by confronting the next faker you see. Even just one victim saved from getting conned is worth the effort.

Response by PO1 John Wypyszinski made Mar 15 at 2020 3:15 PM

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I've called a grand total of two out, one in my capacity as a Veteran Service Officer who was trying to commit fraud with a really badly doctored DD214 from Ft. Ord dated March 2014 (the Planet had been closed 20 years by then) and he had an RA serial number and the form was several generations obsolete - and that was before I got to the other errors. He left most skosh sans form. The other one was obnoxious enough to accuse me of being the one who never served until I pulled out the retired ID and said to him "Wanna play ID card bingo, bitch? Beat that, if you're serving let's see your CAC card." He started mumbling about God knows what and decided he needed to do something somewhere with some guy. I usually leave people alone, but if you involve me in your foolishness and act like an ass I will call you on it. And do not EVER try to run a scam for benefits you never earned, no tolerance for that whatsoever.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Mar 15 at 2020 5:53 PM

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Simply laughable.

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Mar 15 at 2020 11:24 PM

2020-03-15T23:24:42-04:00

For a minute there I thought it was the late Khadafi - LOL!

Response by PO1 Bill Herron made Mar 19 at 2020 5:51 PM

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When you verbally harass a senior citizen who was in the Service that is wrong what would they have said if they had pulled out a DD214, their is a few vets here where I live one received a Silver Star with a Purple Heart with two stars they don't carry anything except a VA Card and that should be enough

Response by LTC John Griscom made Mar 24 at 2020 7:23 PM

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And then there are bandaid Purple Hearts. Some self-inflicted accidents.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Mar 30 at 2020 5:17 AM

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People can dress any way they want. Make ridiculous claims. Unless they are trying to gain financially or some benefit they have not earned I really don't care. To walk up and confront these play actors, is pointless. Many are mentally impaired.

Response by SSgt John Carter made Apr 6 at 2020 1:30 PM

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What gives you the audacity to think that you’re the only one who cares? Maybe your “holier than thou” attitude is part of the problem. You just sling insults at others needlessly. You could have said “what is your concern about stolen valor?” Or posed a question that asked how it affected other vets and military but you made the idiotic arrogant assumption that we don’t care. Officer? How? That takes education and compassion and you show neither. It is a concern as it affects us all but people like yourself exacerbate the issue with reckless assumptions.

Response by SP6 Gary Dailey made Apr 6 at 2020 3:18 PM

2020-04-06T15:18:34-04:00

I have noticed that is seems to usually be guys in their 40's and 50's who show up with enough fruit salad to feed a city. A few nicely put questions sorts them out fast! Get their names, take a pic or a video which is even better and splash it all over FB and other social media. Shame is a great tool...speaking of "tools", there is also a rash of FB morons attacking folks on line who have shared that they are Vietnam era vets. Some of those attacks are quite vicious including calling VN era vets cowards, failures, etc and calling service tours then as infantile compared to today's tours of duty....it is sub-species disgusting and despicable. These attacks are done either by non-vets on drugs and mil wannabe he-men or active/vets who are really screwed up and probably were even prior to active service. Either way, soooooooooo not cool. I suggest that we establish a place on this site to log THEIR FB info and expose them to their commanders and the public. The military draws from the populace and I'm too old (71) to believe in any myth that all people in uniform are spiritual samurai....there are always bad eggs in any group and I believe its up to us to sort them out. Taught school and ran businesses for 35+ years after leaving the Army...the idiots are everywhere and often LOVE to wrap themselves in something that real, mature, responsible folks actually do.....they exist because we allow them to! Many of the recruits in my BCT company were there as an alternative to jail...needless to say we doubled up on our fire guards and we knew who "they" were and we made it clear to them that we knew who they were....best to everyone and stay well :-)

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Apr 7 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-04-07T13:09:36-04:00

while traveling from bliss to ca back in 1966, I watched a fellow basic trainee go from no stripes to e-6 with lots of ribbons. he did it to impress his girl friend. I don't know all the ribbons, however, I do know most and their timeframe when awarded so I ask questions when something is out of place.
I ask about units, location, country and their mos. i ask them if they had fun and enjoyed their time in the service.
I tell them my mos, 95b and 1331 and that I had the time of my life. after that you can figure out who is fake and who is real and go from there.

Response by SGT Robert Eddy made Apr 7 at 2020 5:15 PM

2020-04-07T17:15:57-04:00

I agree with those that wouldn't chance challenging a "real" Veteran. We've paid to earn that distinction. I have encountered a few phonies, but just let them run their mouths.
Two years ago, at age 69, as I exited the post office I was challenged by a woman who saw my Disabled Veteran vehicle tag. I don't know what her problem was. I told her that if she paid me $20, I would show her "proof". She kept grumbling all the way into the building.

Response by LCpl Jim Pleace made Apr 7 at 2020 6:55 PM

2020-04-07T18:55:40-04:00

Well there's people with mental issues like the guy above that is so far beyond the realm of any possibility of stealing valor, in which case I just laugh and brush it off. Then there's the people who try really hard but those of us who have been in can pick them apart in a second. Those are the guys that get me irritated. A friend of mine who had been in the Navy then went Army gave me a Seal T-shirt once. I innocently wore it out to a bar once and got my ass chewed by some dude. Not sure if he was a Seal but I got the point. I wasn't trying to steal any valor. I calmly explained that I was a Marine.

Response by CPT Stanley Reed made Apr 7 at 2020 10:39 PM

2020-04-07T22:39:07-04:00

Short story. I had served as an infantry platoon leader in Vietnam and as a pilot. I then took a 13 year break. I was serving on active duty as a warrant officer pilot when Granada came around. When the Rangers came back from the short trip, without regard to regulation, some ranking official awarded all the Rangers with the CIB. I had just had my DA photo taken and I went to the PX. In line, two Rangers turned to me and said excuse me, where did you get that CIB (I reckon, not used to seeing a warrant officer with one). I just looked at them and said "clothing sales store, same as you".

Response by SGT(P) Vincent Kuhlman made Apr 8 at 2020 3:25 PM

2020-04-08T15:25:49-04:00

Stolen Valor Really burns my butt! People Claiming a "award" or a Military service they didn't earn or don't have. We all can't be Audie Murphy, but we all don't need to look like him either.

Response by SPC Xiao Fu made Apr 9 at 2020 1:53 AM

2020-04-09T01:53:18-04:00

I know or have known veterans who have served from WWII to the current conflicts of the US.
I do care when a person poses for profit and or noteriety. But, who am I to prosecute a toothless law by the roadside.
If a person approached me and indicated they were a vet and needed help, then I'd ask for a DD214. Any one of us that has used the VA or is a VFW member or even claims some state or retail benefit has had to back it up with proof. So, wearing a chest full of medals is a claim and should be proven.
Now the opposite side, if for some reason, I was in uniform and was questioned about my service, I may take exception to it.
Here is a guide.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-uniforms-by-retirees-veterans-3356978

Military Uniform Rules For Retirees And Veterans

Retired military members and certain honorably discharged veterans may wear the U.S. Military uniform on certain occasions.

Response by SPC Trevor Benart made Apr 18 at 2020 1:32 PM

2020-04-18T13:32:01-04:00

I've seen videos where people use the uniform for profit and that's wrong. Others that buy old uniforms or even new ones to use for "work" or sport I wouldn't call that stolen valor. As long as your not calling yourself a vet or active and not being a complete douche in the uniform too. I sometimes get irritated at people who park in the reserved spots at lowes. I dont say or do anything because just maybe they did serve, but I also get irritated at people who are completely fine and park in handicapped spots too. Even if they have the tag.

Response by TSgt Mike Chesanek made Apr 18 at 2020 3:30 PM

2020-04-18T15:30:17-04:00

I personally would just like to see Rainbow NOT SO Bright in that picture get punched in the face for looking like a fool.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 1:10 PM

2020-04-19T13:10:09-04:00

If they are receiving benefits they didn’t earn, that’s a crime and they should be held accountable of course... other than that ... meh.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2020 2:31 PM

2020-04-26T14:31:27-04:00

This guy in the picture is so ridiculous as to be laughable. I posted my Stolen Valor experience once before, but 50 years later it still aggravates me to no end. I had 149 aerial missions while serving with the 1st Air Cavalry the first six months of 1970. These consisted of 93 Sniffer Missions and 56 napalm and CS drops. I was entitled to 6 awards of the Air Medal and, being on flight status, the Army Aviation Badge (Crew Wings). Out processing in Bien Hoa I received one Air Medal. I could have returned to Phuoc Vinh to straighten this out, but my apathy and eagerness to DEROS overruled my sense of outrage. In 2006, I learned that my immediate superior, an unnamed cowardly Captain (retired as a Colonel now living in Annapolis, MD) plagiarized my flight log and awarded himself my awards. He flew once,I think, and asked if I’d fly the others as he had a wife and child. Being the eager and dutiful Lieutenant I said sure. I met with him in person 36 years later and he brazenly offered me money and that he’d pin his Air Medals on me. I shamed him into providing a statement acknowledging the mission count that I had, but he falsified it by lying that we split missions. Submittal to the Bureau for the Correction of Military Records resulted in bureaucratic BullShit, even with his full Colonel signature notarized. I sent a copy of Stolen Valor to the Colonel’s then Brookeville, MD residence. His second wife divorced him not too long after and I hope in some small way I contributed. I’d out his name, but he’s close to 80 years old now and has been living this lie for over 50 years, so not much point to it. Interesting comparison between he and Biden junior receiving direct commissions and having complete lacks of integrity. Who goes around wearing another man’s awards?

Response by CPL Sarah Stilwell made Apr 29 at 2020 12:55 AM

2020-04-29T00:55:58-04:00

Because we live in a country that protects them. Real combat vets dont act that way. I don't care because I have nothing to prove to these people and if you give them the attention they desire, you've met their need. If you ignore them, then they will find other ways of getting attention since falsely portraying a veteran is no longer worthwhile.

Response by SGT Larry Braswell made May 4 at 2020 8:45 AM

2020-05-04T08:45:21-04:00

By investing heavily in the 'stolen valor' concern, one compromises the values and drivers of their own service. Ideally, our service was beneficial to us and the nation. In that service. A certain degree of humility should have been learned as we survived when others didn't, suffered what others couldn't, and gave of our lives what most wouldn't.

Our service, if you will grant a bit of forbearance, sanctifies us. Sets us apart. It does not, however, set us beyond. It does not make us elite citizens.

If there are those in civilian life who so envy what the serviceman/veteran did, and for whatever reason, they couldn't, that they have to fashion a lie to validate their own existence, then theirs is the greater sorrow. I actually have to feel sorry for some of them as they struggle to get the world to acknowledge them, when the genuine article generally just wants the world to leave them alone.

Those stolen valor people are dealing with a kind of hell, a hell of insignificance, we can't understand. More the cause for pity than anger. So they live a fantasy which cant endure. There's the real deal with tears, scars, memories, bad dreams, shakes in the middle of the night, and maxed out adrenaline at the sound of a car backfire.

Then there are those, whose only memories are manufactured from whole cloth.

So seeing a Colonel Command Sergeant Major in marine dress blues on the street is no bother to me. And might even make me chuckle. The one caveat, is the halls of government. You want to fabricate a life for your own fantasy, be my guest, but if you are doing that as a means to public office, you should be tarred and feathered followed by exile. You arent worthy of the name, American. Just my opinion.

Response by CPO John Bjorge made May 4 at 2020 8:49 AM

2020-05-04T08:49:09-04:00

As I have stated before, If you see a Vet who is proudly displaying their actions of the past maybe it's best to just go over and talk to them. You might just learn something about yourself if you stop and LISTEN to their life past. There are a lot of us out there who don't go for the glory of what we did on active duty. If you see us showing anything it might just be that we don't understand why you care so much about what other people are doing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2020 11:22 AM

2020-05-04T11:22:31-04:00

1 a lot of the time nobody usually cares anyway if a uniformed soldier walks into a restaurant or wherever you might get an awkward thank you for your service and handshake at most
2 they dont get the benefits of having served its not like theyre trying to fake paperwork to get those benefits
3 they are probably going to be found out and publicly humiliated anyway by some cringy guy yelling out stolen valor like anyone really gives two shits anyway
These are my reasons for not caring sgt

Response by SSG Jaime Ramos made May 4 at 2020 1:50 PM

2020-05-04T13:50:01-04:00

Unfortunately for us who may care, they have a first amendment right to be fakers, United States v. Alvarez, 567 U.S. 709 (2012). And with that, unless they are soliciting a public benefit (from the government) there is nothing we can do about, since it is up to bussinesses to extend or deny a "military or veteran discount"

Response by CW3 Michael Shea made May 4 at 2020 7:55 PM

2020-05-04T19:55:15-04:00

I am concerned about individuals that use the military uniform in any faction to personally gain from it, whether it be at the local fast food or the government. That is just wrong. I spent over 20 years on active duty, I have 2 combat tours, and many hours away from my family missing birthdays and holidays. So, to be accused of misrepresenting my military career from veterans is heart breaking. Recently a friend of mine who is 90% disable was challenged for parking her truck in a handicap parking space. "Ma'ma, that space is for your husband." Lesson to learn with this issue is to know who you may challenge and why. Falsely accusing an individual of "stolen valor" could backfire, and then "whatcha going do"?

Response by SFC Clark Adams made May 4 at 2020 8:32 PM

2020-05-04T20:32:00-04:00

Those committing "Stolen Valor" have a serious case of poor self-esteem at baseline or are criminals seeking to defraud various agencies or individuals. For those with self-esteem seek gratification from the attention their behavior garners them. Ignoring them is the best case as the SCOTUS has ruled that liars are protected by the same constitution we all agreed to defend during our service. The criminals must be swiftly and harshly prosecuted at all levels. I was raised in a military family and served 25 years as a Soldier served with others who earned awards ranging from the CMOH down to ASR none of which went around boasting about their awards. I just walk away from the braggarts and buffoons whenever they start their act!

Response by 1stSgt Roger Rose made May 4 at 2020 11:28 PM

2020-05-04T23:28:49-04:00

as long as they admit they are fakers and lies tellers, they can do what they want

Response by SSG Bradley Williams made May 5 at 2020 10:38 AM

2020-05-05T10:38:09-04:00

I carry a copy of my DD Form 214 in my wallet and say give me a donation to see it

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2020 1:06 PM

2020-05-05T13:06:26-04:00

You'd be surprised how many are caught by the VA. Stolen valor includes an actual Vet wearing awards and decs they did not earn. Purple Heart is a good example. Happens more than you'd think. Remember the Master Chief of the Navy (Jeremy Booda) committee suicide over controversy of his medals.

Response by LTC Eric Heffner made May 5 at 2020 1:08 PM

2020-05-05T13:08:37-04:00

I care about it some one comes up to me and asks for me to prove I am a veteran they are going to get the middle finger. If they pull that bullshit yelling stolen valor, I am probably going to jail. I hate imposters as much as the next person but yelling like and idiot makes you just that and as dumb as the person being an imposter.

Response by PFC Chad Ricker made May 5 at 2020 2:05 PM

2020-05-05T14:05:51-04:00

I've never had anyone question my service. I still have some of my old clothing that I wear because it's functional. (Boonie hat, field jacket) There are so many people who have served in my area, nobody really ever questions it.

Response by SFC John Queen made May 5 at 2020 8:44 PM

2020-05-05T20:44:09-04:00

I care about it but many times it’s not worth the aggravation because there are SO MANY know-it-alls who flat out refuse to take an objective view of the situation before over reacting. To them everything is stolen valor – end of discussion.

I belong to a stolen valor group in a WELL KNOWN social media outlet. A couple of weeks ago someone randomly posted a picture of an older bearded guy, maybe in his mid-50s’ wearing a set of the old Army dress blues. There was no back story photo.

The online court of condemnation went crazy calling this guy out for EVERYTHING. It seemed pretty clear to me that this guy was probably a retiree that was really proud of the fact he could sit fit in the uniform (I retired two years ago and I can’t). A hand full of us were defending the guy, but there were so many hell bent on bashing him. At one point some young kid, with maybe three years of service, chimed in on one of my replies and called me a “f*cking idiot” and said I had no idea what I was talking about. With my 25+ years of service, I knew for sure I knew exactly what I was talking about.

He couldn’t wrap his mind around the similarities of the Army Service Uniform coat and the dress blue. One of his issues was the service stripe being both sleeves. I eventually laid everything out to this kid, to include references to a 2014 edition of AR670-1.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see a reply from this kid because the post was generating such an uproar that the admin took it down.

Response by CDR Jim M. made May 6 at 2020 2:56 PM

2020-05-06T14:56:47-04:00

Dressed like this either a lunatic or a clown. Neither worth the time and effort to confront,

Response by SR Michele Butcher made May 6 at 2020 6:43 PM

2020-05-06T18:43:18-04:00

Ive been accused several times of “stolen valor” because i had a rating not an mos even producing my VA id and my dd-214 didnt work so now sorry fuck off if you wanna accuse me of stolen valor you go right ahead

Response by SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr. made May 7 at 2020 9:23 AM

2020-05-07T09:23:50-04:00

The only time I care about stolen valor is when those people apply for or get benefits they did not earn. Otherwise no I don't care. The reason why is simple. I have had people play 50 questions with me like I was committing stolen valor. And why? Because I wore an old PT shirt that I bought before I got out of the military. Now I don't even play the 20 questions game. I make a bet with them for a large sum of cash that I can produce 4-5 forms of service on the spot. But they only get the satisfaction of knowing for sure if they take and honor the bet. Otherwise they can get bent.

Response by SP5 Liston Matthews made May 7 at 2020 7:03 PM

2020-05-07T19:03:07-04:00

I know my status. I don't know yours. If I confront you, and it becomes a fight, I lose.
If you confront me, I walk away. If you assault me, you may have created a gunfight because I probably can't run away very fast.

Response by SGT Thomas Salemme made May 8 at 2020 9:37 AM

2020-05-08T09:37:26-04:00

My main reason for ignoring most of the stories is because of the dumb@ss people making the videos, confronting people just... because. The ones making the videos are the REAL ignorant ones. Of every 100 times a person makes a video harassing someone dressed similar to a person in the military, only 1 fits the legal definition of "Stolen Valor" All that crap you see on social media is exactly that; crap. If you don't know what Stolen Valor is, then don't charge someone with it. Its not illegal for someone to goto the surplus store and buy some cammies, and wear them around. Seen TONS of videos of guys going around like they are something special, and yelling at people for "Stolen Valor" just because they are wearing some cammies. LMAO@!!@!@ IDIOTS. I know there are a few Youtubers here in PHX who like to do that stuff. One of these days im going to walk downtown with the flight suit that I wore in IRAQ, that was part of my units uniform. When they start asking about my unit, etc etc. ill bust em with my units history, and how it was the only provisional unit to be formed in theatre. Then when they are done looking like idiots, ill walk away.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2020 2:23 PM

2020-05-08T14:23:30-04:00

I guess working as an accredited VSO I see it several different ways based upon my experiences. I don't like it when a person, especially an actual honorably discharge veteran is try to falsely obtain VA benefits via fraudulent methods via providing false information concerning awards and decorations. I try to catch those critters and out them before the VA does and have done son on a few occasions after consultation with VA personnel. It saves the vet bigger humiliation for actually violating and being prosecuted under the Stolen Valor Act by seeking to become unjustly enriched via the falsification of military service. I mean nobody likes a shady player, especially when it is a vet trying to get one over thinking there is no harm in the matter by claiming they are something they were not just to impress their family and friends.
I don't believe in making a spectacle of ones self over publicly challenging a person who may be wearing military insignia and claiming to be a veteran. I feel that a bit of discrete tact in pointing out the error of their ways goes a long way in dealing with folks like that rather than putting a camera in their face and screaming at them.
But, at the same time, I believe that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery especially when I see, non-military age kids wearing military insignia. If anything it becomes an opportunity to interact with them and show that there are adults that want to genuinely know about them and provide a brief bit of mentorship.
Just my 2 cents on the matter.

Response by LCpl Cody Ralston made May 8 at 2020 6:22 PM

2020-05-08T18:22:12-04:00

I do care, but at the same time it ain’t my place to shame and punish the turds... I actually had an older guy come after me once... I was working as a security guard, and one of the guys working at the place I was guarding was enlisting and was picking my brains on what the infantry was like.... well this older guy was one of our regulars, hung out and chatted with the cops when they came through on break... always wore a Navy Veteran hat, well he overheard me answering the kids questions, well he comes over with a police sergeant who was an Army 11B when he was in (confirmed via his son), and starts demanding to see my DD214... well I’m in uniform and at work, i can’t exactly tell the guy to eat a bag of dicks, so I have to politely explain to him that I don’t carry my 214 on me, I have 2 copies, one that sits in a fireproof safe in my house, and one that’s sitting in my moms house. If I need a copy of a page to show, I take it out, make that copy, then put the original back in the safe. That the only forms of ID I carry on me that could verify my claim was my IRR card, and VA Medical ID. Wouldn’t accept them just kept bulldoggin me for the 214. It took me asking the sergeant if he was in the business of allowing blatant harassment happen right in front of him for him to get the old guy under control. Having been on that end I can’t say I’d be so polite now that I’m not a security guard, if someone bulldogged me like that now I won’t even think twice before telling them to eat an entire bag of dicks and get the hell out of my face. The hilarious thing is I’m not over here sayin I’m special forces MARSOC scout sniper seal delta operator... I tell it like it is. I was in the Infantry, an 0311 that happened to be cross trained an an IED Detection Dog Handler, I was a Lance Corporal when I got out due to some crap that happened when I got to the fleet. I wasn’t the worst Marine, nor was I exemplary. In the end I did my 4, got my honorable, decided my options for moving to different MOS’s wasn’t worth it, and decided to get out. Seriously if I was gonna steak some valor I think I’d polish it up to make it more attractive don’t you?

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made May 9 at 2020 12:05 PM

2020-05-09T12:05:11-04:00

I'm to old to worry about it any longer. If it feels good for them to pretend, so be it.

Response by Capt David Nixon made May 9 at 2020 4:51 PM

2020-05-09T16:51:53-04:00

Most "stolen valor" posers do it so poorly that it is comical. They may be mentally ill, who knows? It isn't worth getting excited about.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made May 10 at 2020 9:45 AM

2020-05-10T09:45:28-04:00

The guys who dress up like Halloween with store bought uniforms and awards don't bother me. Most have some form of mental disease or defect anyway. But the person who wears a high valor award or claims to have been in elite units in order to profit by it, either monetarily or in order to gain a particular position, really rankles me. These people take the time to actually develop a believable narrative to elevate themselves and they should be exposed.

Response by MAJ Clyde Howell made May 10 at 2020 5:49 PM

2020-05-10T17:49:04-04:00

There is a difference between stolen valor and satire/free speech. Some people don't get the distinction and this can result in some of the fracas described in the original question. Then there are those who served in whatever capacity for whatever time and are so insecure about themselves and their service that they must challenge everyone to a measuring contest that can never be completely satisfied. That would be someone challenging a 75-year-old vet's creds because they've already made up their mind.

While it irritates me to see someone claiming and seeking recognition and honor for service they did not perform, I only get truly upset when I see them gaining benefit for those erroneous claims such as political clout or getting business as a veteran when they are not (or a particular type of service such as SF when they served but not in that capacity). I served and can back that up, but I've also been told that someone didn't believe that i had served because I "didn't act like someone who had served in that kind of unit." Obviously they had been watching too much TV or they knew a few and generalized from that few to the whole. Not every veteran is an asshole. Some of us are actual people.

I have to wonder, though, what benefits the question asker thinks those who are posers are depriving real veterans of. Any official benefits are subject to verification through DOD channels. Those falsely claiming service will be denied those benefits. If the benefits are a 10% discount at this store or that restaurant, then perhaps the asker's focus on the benefits of being a veteran are misplaced. While I will accept a discount, especially if I am working on a large and expensive project, I don't always claim or get it. That's okay; I didn't serve to get that discount. I served for other reasons.

Response by SGT Izzy Ann made May 11 at 2020 8:02 AM

2020-05-11T08:02:46-04:00

A FB group of "veterans" first asked me for my ID and then my 214. It's a very large group and they were convinced I wasnt a veteran, so they denied my membership. On the AL Veteran's FB site, I was again questioned by some civilian chick who wasn't even a veteran. She even called me names, but when I reported it, they did nothing. Its frustrating!

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made May 11 at 2020 7:02 PM

2020-05-11T19:02:24-04:00

Its discus ting that anyone would pretend to be a veteran maybe they should be tarred and feathered

Response by SPC John Tacetta made May 11 at 2020 10:28 PM

2020-05-11T22:28:37-04:00

Stolen Valor: Article 106a (Wearing Unauthorized Insignia, Decoration, Badge, Ribbon, Device, or Lapel Button) of the UCMJ - The penalty for wearing unauthorized medals of valor has increased from 6 months to a maximum of one-year confinement along with forfeiture of pay and a bad-conduct discharge. This includes wearing an unauthorized Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, Purple Heart, or valor device. The maximum penalty for wearing any other unauthorized medal is still six months.

"The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 (Pub.L. 113–12; H.R. 258) is a United States federal law that was passed by the 113th United States Congress. The law amends the federal criminal code to make it a crime for a person to claim they have served in the military, embellish their rank or fraudulently claim having received a valor award specified in the Act, with the intention of obtaining money, property, or other tangible benefit by convincing another that he or she received the award.

The current federal law is a revised version of a previous statute struck down by the Supreme Court of the United States in United States v. Alvarez. In Alvarez the Supreme Court ruled the arrest and prosecution of a citizen for wearing unearned military awards, who did so without criminal intent, violates their constitutional right to freedom of speech." [Wikipedia]

Get real about S T O L E N V A L O R ! It has nothing to do with a civilian sporting some military regalia or even pretending to have served. If You want to wear a CIB with 5 stars and claim you single handedly won Operation Enduring Freedom, go for it, but chances are I'll see you for what you are. I wear my old unit crest on my lapel and don my field jacket from time to time, but that's more to reminisce about a proud time in my life. Everyone sees the field jacket, but only former service members see the unit crest. As far as "calling someone out" on the street, well that's just bad behavior regardless of the circumstances. I've never had it happen to me, but If you called me out in such a fashion I'd likely pull a Neil Armstrong on you.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made May 12 at 2020 11:39 AM

2020-05-12T11:39:32-04:00

I care but would not challenge someone incase I'm wrong, let the stores do that. I dont want to dishonor myself or an actual veteran. Bullshitters know who and what they are. Every dog has its day. They can't access services without actual proof so let the stores who give discounts handle the bull shitters

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made May 12 at 2020 3:29 PM

2020-05-12T15:29:15-04:00

If it is very blatant --- like a 20 year old wearing Major insignia ---I would say something, otherwise I let it go. Most Veterans can tell who is a Veteran --- the way they talk, walk or react to a situation.

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made May 13 at 2020 1:48 AM

2020-05-13T01:48:57-04:00

Heck, if I saw that guy in the photo I would probably salut him as well. He clearly looks like a bonafide war hero to me. I mean look at all those badges, the groovy shades, the hat and that really really good looking square jaw! How can this guy NOT be a war hero? Probably a general or something!

Response by PO1 John Grizzell made May 13 at 2020 2:23 PM

2020-05-13T14:23:12-04:00

I get far more annoyed by folk that actually served and misrepresent or embellish their time in uniform.

Response by SGT Timothy Wooley made May 13 at 2020 9:02 PM

2020-05-13T21:02:13-04:00

The awards only mean something to you. Once out and you deal with the horrible VA Health Care System you’ll find out how much you are really valued by our country.

Response by SGT Debra Jahnel made May 16 at 2020 7:54 PM

2020-05-16T19:54:16-04:00

I'm a female vet, so somewhat used to being dismissed or questioned about my status.
Usually the other person is an older vet whose service didn't include a lot of women. And I can understand.
I'm not offended but I would never question another's claim UNLESS it were obvious the other is using it to get ahead some how.
It is not my right or my role to question another's service & it isn't theirs to question mine.

Response by SMSgt Alan Saunders made May 17 at 2020 11:32 AM

2020-05-17T11:32:56-04:00

If I saw a clown dressed like this, I would simply laugh at him. Nothing more.

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made May 17 at 2020 2:55 PM

2020-05-17T14:55:40-04:00

Because most retards that lose their shit over it don't know the difference between stolen valor and freedom of speech. It's not a crime to simply wear a uniform, badges, rank, or anything if you're not in the military and you're not getting any benefit from it. It becomes a crime when some kind of financial benefit is obtained, even if the individual is in regular civilian clothes. So all these "confrontors" who make it their business to embarrass 75 year-old Korean War vets wearing their 1st MARDIV hats have utterly lost me. Half, probably more, of them don't even know what they are doing. They're what I call Vet-tarderd. So obsessed with their service that they ooze "thank me for my service". They wear Grunt Style or Inkfidel shirts and stroke their Viking beards while talking of meeting their dead brothers-in-arms in Valhalla. Of those, probably 10% are actual combat vets. Over it and at some point, there's going to be a reckoning. Service members have been severely beaten, by other service members over this stupid shit. What could possibly be more stupid than that? So that makes me not care anymore because it's starting to get out of hand. This is why we can't have nice things.

Response by SPC Dakota Stafford made May 26 at 2020 12:42 PM

2020-05-26T12:42:16-04:00

Honestly I used to care, but I’m creeping up on ten years being out, I’m meeting with some of my family from my last deployment, we swap stories, I see pictures and air footage of battles we were in that I’ve never seen before and I’m filled with pride, who cares about their claim to fame, in reality it’s something they’ll never really have.

So next time you hear about an airborne navy seal delta force ranger sniper in the space force telling stories about their firefight on the moon, just laugh at the stupidity of the story, laugh at how ignorant they sound, honestly why get mad about it at all?

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made May 31 at 2020 11:02 PM

2020-05-31T23:02:43-04:00

What tends to create sparks for me are the "A poor homeless disabled vet...need money." middle of the street crawlers. It's been a number of years now that programs are in place to ensure no vet would involuntarily be homeless in the Pacific Northwest. Why does "that guy" get my attention at times? Because it insults our country and all the people who have worked hard to reach them. "Oh, that poor vet, it's a shame how we treat them." Is a refrain that captures the essence of that insult. I've worked a number of years as a volunteer getting vets their due

Response by A1C Stanley Wright, jr made Jun 3 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-06-03T11:26:02-04:00

Some Antifa protesters dressing in fatigues w/insignia. To fool everyone just who they are. There is really nothing we can do. There is limited ability to control Antifa in these riots. Most of us are just old farts anyway.

Response by PO2 Joan Feledy made Jun 7 at 2020 11:24 AM

2020-06-07T11:24:38-04:00

It all depends what they are doing with the stolen valor. If they are just wearing insignias etc. I really don't care. If they are taking or trying to take benefits that is another story and they should be sought out and definitely not be allowed any type of benefits, earned by an actual veteran and fined or some sort of penalty if they have received benefits and possible community service in a veteran environment. But with all else that is going on around the country and the uncivilized actions that have emerged, this topic is not quite as important to me or to what is happening to our country in many states.

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made Jun 7 at 2020 5:13 PM

2020-06-07T17:13:08-04:00

hmmm... the person in the photo... not stolen valor... just having the patches, rank, awards, displayed improperly on non military clothing... no... this is the U.S.A. ... he can wear that as is if he so desires.
Stolen Valor is wearing a Purple Heart, or Medal of Honor, without orders, on a regulation U.S. Uniform, while on duty... not my place to question whether that soldier has orders to wear those Honors... whomever they REPORT to has that responsibility...
And civilians do not have a dress code.
NO ONE has the authority to question what a soldier is wearing on their uniform, except their chain of command, who knows what they are authorized to wear.
Having said that... I would immediately stop anyone I saw wearing a U.S. Military uniform, in a military way, suggesting they were actually in the military... who are of high enough rank to know better, or very low rank, wearing the uniform, or anything on it... improperly.
IF they tell me they are civilian, I will tell them they should not be impersonating a soldier, when they don't know how to wear the uniform... and should NOT have any awards displayed that are reserved for those who have EARNED the highest honors this Nation can bestow on their heros ...
and let it go...
again... THEIR Chain of Command will fix it when they see it.
I'm not Hitler... I won't dictate anything to the criminals. except...
DON'T %$#@ WITH ME - I WAS A REAL SOLDIER, AND HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN HOW TO KILL AN ENEMY >(

Response by MAJ John Lavin made Jun 8 at 2020 9:58 PM

2020-06-08T21:58:07-04:00

This kind of thing doesn’t bother me a bit. I look at those who choose to play act like they belong even though they don’t belong as being just a lost soul wandering in the delusions of his or her own mind. I know who I am, and what I was and did. So let them live in a make believe world. I’ll live in the real world with the knowledge that I’m right and they aren’t.

Response by Konrad Williams made Jun 9 at 2020 10:37 PM

2020-06-09T22:37:45-04:00

As a civilian in a military family I am overly familiar with some of the nuances related to military life. Certainly not to the extent that I would be knowledgeable about such things. But enough to admire and respect those in my family who have served no matter what capacity or duration of time. Perhaps because of my upbringing I do maintain a bit of a military during either in my demeanor the general or the way I dress or the way I keep my hair short. I am self-conscious about not coming off as being an actual member or veteran of the Armed Forces. I have from time to time had people ask me if I ever served or if I wasn't officer and I have politely said no I come from a large military family. When it comes to the matter of Stolen Valor the crime isn't somebody wearing a uniform or decorations that they themselves did not receive or on but rather the deception used to obtain discounts or to set up funding or some sort of activity that profits the person wearing The Stolen Valor. I would not condone public shaming because it looks like somebody might have a dubious uniform or they might have a decoration out of place. Those that have served know who they are those who have not served know who they are.

Response by Konrad Williams made Jun 9 at 2020 10:54 PM

2020-06-09T22:54:54-04:00

My apologies the first sentence in my post should have read "I am not overly familiar..."
Audio to text is not always friendly with me

Response by SGT Bleddyn Wilson made Jun 10 at 2020 1:11 AM

2020-06-10T01:11:04-04:00

Well two issues... one with all the watered down awards, quotas, the awards to punch career tickets why bother.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Jun 10 at 2020 8:12 AM

2020-06-10T08:12:30-04:00

Personally, I doubt there are more than a very few cases of people being confronted in the first place. When it happens, it just gets a lot of attention if/when it appears on social media. Moreover, I think that when it does happen, it’s most often in cases where the so-called vet is just so obviously “wrong”. You know the type - wearing military uniform components that just don’t go together, babbling about things he did and units with which he served that simply cannot be right, and so on. I’ve run into a few of them over the years and the majority are just sad people looking for attention. The ones who piss me off are the actual vets who cannot be proud of what they actually did while serving, so invent another life for themselves. My favorite of memory was the actual retired Marine Gunny who posed for years as a retired Sergeant Major with ribbons for personal awards he never earned (I’m not sure now but I think one was a Silver Star). Now I never met this guy - just read about him - but I think that if I had met him and figured out his scam, I would have confronted him, largely because I am a Marine, but also because of what I said - Where’s your pride, bozo?

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made Jun 10 at 2020 8:52 PM

2020-06-10T20:52:43-04:00

Because the kind of people that get off “exposing phonies” are doing it for self satisfaction and with complete disregard to any possible damage they may cause.

It’s childish tattletale behavior that the blowhards can’t get enough of...

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Jun 10 at 2020 9:56 PM

2020-06-10T21:56:33-04:00

Looks like Kerry in that photo

Response by SrA Leslie Lamb made Jun 11 at 2020 3:49 AM

2020-06-11T03:49:34-04:00

If you honor your core values including tenacity, service before self, & the courage to stand tall in the face of adversity, then those who have served should make way for those that require the services they sacrificed for. SRA Lamb 2T131

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Jun 11 at 2020 7:08 AM

2020-06-11T07:08:46-04:00

because you have no legal basis to enforce "stolen valor rules" without resorting to assault or murder... and subjecting yourself to libel suits when you are wrong... Also if you assault someone to enforce one of these absurd rules, you also subject you self to being killed in self defense under many state use of force laws, in particular self defense... Enforcing a purity test doesn't protect you from state law or the law of the jungle.

Response by SFC Michael Clevenger made Jun 11 at 2020 8:53 AM

2020-06-11T08:53:05-04:00

I been lucky in regards to not seeing it where I been, I rarely travel these days except to the VA when the Doc needs to see me, my only proof of being a vet is the baseball cap on my head with mine retirement pin and a P38 attached to it and the words US Army Retired big letters on that hat. Only those that have no clue what the P38 is will ask about it, and I give them a quick class on the P meaning to pierce and the 38 meaning the number of times you have to when opening a C Rat can ;) that was one of mine classes when I was an instructor years ago

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 1:31 PM

2020-06-11T13:31:48-04:00

He must be popular at the nuthouse.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 2:19 PM

2020-06-11T14:19:14-04:00

Those stolen valor videos are hilarious! I love it when they bust them....the dudes wearing fake medals are soooooo stupid they dont know a combat patch from a MSM....but hey if they are a fraud they should be called out. But people need to use common sense and see if the hill is worth dying on...if they give you legit evidence or you can tell their story is credible let it go. I think people do those videos because they want to wring a right and there is probably some I want to be youtube famous floating around in their heads. I don't care but if I saw something really egregious I would call them out

Response by SPC Peter Essig made Jun 12 at 2020 7:06 AM

2020-06-12T07:06:16-04:00

I don’t care for a variety of reasons.

1) the people doing the “exposing” almost always come off looking like douchebags

2) they have a Constitution right to wear fucked up uniforms, awards, tabs, and badges

3) if the general population can’t tell obvious bullshit, that’s on them

4) I have bigger troubles

Response by SSG Earl Corp made Jun 12 at 2020 9:36 AM

2020-06-12T09:36:19-04:00

Usually I’ll ask someone where they went to basic, or their MOS, or a unit they served in, or something like that. Usually if they can’t answer a simple question like that I quit talking to them and walk away. My wife finds it amusing when another vet and I see each other and eye up whatever we have on. Then start asking questions to feel each other out. I agree people have a right to freedom of speech, but freedom ain’t free, and if someone is stealing valor then they need to pay for that freedom.

Response by SSgt Scott Ezra made Jun 12 at 2020 5:10 PM

2020-06-12T17:10:34-04:00

I guess I'm just not part of the outrage culture to begin with. Plus many don't even understand what Stolen Valor really is and they group all kinds of things in to it.
Secondly, I have been accused of it probably 4 or five times myself. In one case the Army guy threatened me saying he and his buddies were going to come "take care" of me and my family. I have never even publically talked about my medals.
In my case it has always stemmed from ignorance and always been Army guys. They don't realize that the Air Force has specialized combat units in the enlisted ranks. Its ridiculous. In that same incident where the guy threatened me, my family saw it and were heartbroken. Especially my dad, who was a 28 year veteran himself. I could just never risk doing that to anyone else or their family.
The people going around doing it most of the time are deeply troubled and even though I have numerous and serious health issues and severe chronic pain I'm happy inside.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 2:30 AM

2020-06-14T02:30:16-04:00

Most of the ones Ive seen have severe and noticable mental health problems. Who would really be the douchebag there? The guy claiming unearned valor or you for needlessly shaming a person that is obviously mentally ill? Outside of that scenario it would really depend in the situation. I mostly see nothing gained from exposing phonies even though I do like that navy seal guy in youtube that calls out phony seals.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2020 7:37 AM

2020-06-15T07:37:42-04:00

Some of the online videos are a bit cringeworthy. The ones that show someone questioning a person who is obviously mentally ill or mentally handicapped wearing a military uniform are the biggest problem in my opinion. It just looks like bullying.

Response by SPC Keith King made Jun 15 at 2020 12:51 PM

2020-06-15T12:51:10-04:00

My organization: National Veteran Business Development Council (NVBDC) finds Fake Vets every day who claim to be a Veteran for the purpose of getting a contract with our Corporate members. If you think this is no big deal, just look at the IG and congressional reports that show the VA awards $500 Million a year in ineligible contracts and the DoD audit showed $877 Million in ineligible contracts over a two-year period. This problem is far more insidious than just fake vets, it is what we call "Rent-A-Vet". This is where a "real" vet sells his status to someone who operates a company so that company can call itself a "Veteran Owned Business" to pursue contracts. That is the biggest source of fraud in both government and corporate contracting. In the certification business this is what is known as "operational control and authority" or what I say to our vet applicants: "you must show up and run the company" to be certified by us. Free speech may allow someone to call themselves a Veteran, but claiming to be a veteran to win contracts or benefits is more than Stolen Valor it is stealing from real Veterans.

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Jun 15 at 2020 1:24 PM

2020-06-15T13:24:45-04:00

Because I stopped being a babysitter when I left the service. If people want to wear unearned awards in the wrong locations, more power to em.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jun 15 at 2020 7:12 PM

2020-06-15T19:12:36-04:00

Some jackass had best have a retired military ID card with O-7 as a grade.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Jun 19 at 2020 4:47 PM

2020-06-19T16:47:39-04:00

Most of these seem to have mental problems and arE more to be pitied than challenged. And I’d hate to call someone out who really is a vet.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 9:57 PM

2020-06-19T21:57:54-04:00

It's not stolen if it's whereabouts are not consciously contemplated.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Jun 20 at 2020 11:03 AM

2020-06-20T11:03:20-04:00

The problem is that there are so many fakers out there. I remember a picture in a Houston newspaper years ago of a faker in an Army dress uniform attending a Houston Mayor's Ball. He had every medal he could find and some were Soviet medals. I don't know if anyone called him out on it later after his picture hit the paper. I wouldn't call out a faker due to my advanced age. There are those who specialize in that.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Jun 21 at 2020 1:04 AM

2020-06-21T01:04:54-04:00

I’m not one of those who don’t care about stolen valor. I feel strongly that willfully impersonating a service member, regardless of branch, is morally and legally wrong. There is a small caveat to that. If a person who has taken on the trappings of a service member gets a pass is done under limited conditions. One, the wearer has a mental disorder that prevents them from understanding that what they’re doing is wrong. The second covers individuals that wear a portion of a uniform to show respect to a fallen family member and/or one who served honorably.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Jun 21 at 2020 2:18 PM

2020-06-21T14:18:08-04:00

Truth be told in the end the faker will always trip his/her own story and then they are found out to be a faker. That in itself is poetic justice as far as I'm concerned. I have found 2 of these cases and when it happens, they know and then they try to walk away.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Jun 22 at 2020 10:00 PM

2020-06-22T22:00:56-04:00

It's not that I don't care it just that in today's climate, you can get hurt trying to confront someone over stolen valor. At the shopping mall near my house, they designated parking spots for veterans. I take advantage of that every chance I get and have never had anyone confront me. I don't welcome it but I will be nice at first but I am not showing them sheet. If they persist I'll make sure they need to get out of my face before something bad happens to them.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Jul 4 at 2020 8:33 AM

2020-07-04T08:33:20-04:00

I can only speak for myself Its not that I don't care I do. There is a douche bag that lives in St Augustine Fl. that I know that tells everyone he is a Green Beret. And threatened my life because I called him out on it. (LOL I wish he would what did Doc Holiday Say "Your a Daisy if you do!) That is someone who knows what they are doing is wrong and he needs to have his ass chewed. The guy in the picture could have a mental issue and grew up wanting to be in the military and could not. Or maybe he is just an idiot who doesn't understand he is being disrespectful. But let me say there is a video of someone a soldier, Vet whatever just hammering a gentleman who is obviously is suffering from a mental condition. I felt worse for the victim then I did the Vet. The Vet was being a bully. The point of this is to approach these situations with an open mind not just from the attack dog position. Not everything is as it seems. And we don't have to be dicks about it.

Response by SSG Brenda Elliott made Jul 5 at 2020 6:51 PM

2020-07-05T18:51:48-04:00

My oldest sister Beverly Johnson who live out on Yalding Drive of Cedar Park, Texas, who stole my father's Military Records/Medical Records as well as My Military Records. She is a theft , scam bag/thief/liar as well as her husband Donnie who says he is a Military Vet. She and her Husband dishonors her father, her sister as well as he daughter who was in the Marines. She has being doing this since her Mother's Death in 2016. I was force to file a NO Trespassing against her and Becky Anderson (Oldest Sister).

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Jul 15 at 2020 8:11 PM

2020-07-15T20:11:40-04:00

My take on it is that I love free speech more than my own sense of entitlement. As long as a person isn't receiving tangible benefits like discounts or free stuff, let them say what they want.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2020 1:54 AM

2020-07-19T01:54:27-04:00

I was challenged once in front of my 12 year old son by a retired CSM, friend of the family who said he was in the 75th and I could not have been in K company 75th Reg because I was not an Airborne, Ranger.
I proved him wrong, He apologized but he lost the respect of me and my son. I never made a big deal of it and only took time to dig out paperwork because of my son whom I had to restrain from going off on him. I told him though we cannot respect him, we must not disrespect him.

Response by Cpl Greg Thomas made Aug 18 at 2020 8:35 AM

2020-08-18T08:35:04-04:00

Exposing someone who is taking money that will go for vets etc I'm ok with. Getting aggressive about it not needed, just makes people look bad and unhinged. Everything else doesn't matter and isn't really anyone's business. People can wear what they want, say what they want, burn what they want, and kneel when they want. Sure people can be annoyed by things, but minor things like cloths shouldn't be a concern, after all, most people in the military were there to allow freedom of expression to continue to existing the United States (if not, the unspoken expectation is that your service accomplished that objective in some manner).

Response by SCPO Frank Alvar made Aug 18 at 2020 3:14 PM

2020-08-18T15:14:53-04:00

Stolen Valor as legally defined is when someone impersonates or presents themselves as SMs for some financial benefit (not talking about discounts here). These need to be exposed because this is tantamount to stealing.
Outside of that, playing dress up is a constitutionally protected right.

Response by SPC Connie Doucette made Aug 18 at 2020 9:55 PM

2020-08-18T21:55:18-04:00

My son used to wear his field jacket for work after he left the service. He's been accosted by self-righteous jerks demanding to know if he "earned" that jacket. We talk about being a brotherhood (and sisterhood, btw), can't we veterans treat each other with respect?

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 19 at 2020 2:22 AM

2020-08-19T02:22:37-04:00

I just cannot believe that some clown would just want so much attention, as to for them to go balls out and dress in a multi-decorated uniform. I've seen wannabes dress in BDUs with all kinds of badges, stripes and head gear. IT peaks my attention and angers me to want to go and knock Mr. Hero down and shout "Get the f@#k outta that wannabe uniform". Show respect to those who died in the real uniform and fighting for this country. This goes for the homeless, who stand on street corners, with signs, saying "Give anything to a homeless vet. Or "Homeless vet, hungry, cold please give". No true vet would stoop so low to ask for help.

Response by Cpl Aaron Riley made Aug 19 at 2020 1:27 PM

2020-08-19T13:27:39-04:00

All too often I feel other veterans have a sense of entitlement, and spending time calling out mentally ill people to draw attention to your veteran status just seems to play into that hand. If they are somehow drawing benefits fraudulently then we should probably fix it so that they can't as much as possible, and prosecute them when we cannot. Either way calling people out is pointless self worship.

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Aug 19 at 2020 4:35 PM

2020-08-19T16:35:40-04:00

The ONLY time I would challenge anyone is if they are obviously AFU in whatever uniform they are wearing. I actually saw an individual pan handling in a totally screwed up uniform and got the local FBI to charge him for using Stolen Valor for personal gain. No one here in Georgia has ever asked me to prove my Service. I have Retired US Army license plates issued by the State, that stops any type questions. I guess my normal SGM bearing dampens any ardor about checking me out!!

Response by CN Beufort Pussard made Aug 19 at 2020 11:52 PM

2020-08-19T23:52:09-04:00

In some cases at the VA where I go for treatment, there are Veterans who claim to have been to Vietnam and have never heard of the TET Offensive, uh huh. Sometimes, because I am versed in sign language an Individual will approach me with a card saying they are deaf and I sign to them what is your name and they realize they have been had, so yeah I steal their thunder / valor. What happened to the topics of 22 veterans committing suicide everyday, do you call that a NATIONAL EMERGENCY? I am proud to have served and I like to embarrass people who say they did and did not because I earned that right, nobody gave that to me, I didn't buy it, it was my own.

Response by SSG Jose Flores made Aug 21 at 2020 12:12 AM

2020-08-21T00:12:08-04:00

A lot of soldiers and veterans forget that stolen valor is the process of someone gaining from them posing as a military personnel or one of military status embellished for gains. Wearing or posing is not a crime. I keep seeing videos that say it is but it’s not. Till then let’s put our effort into the professionalism we’ve gained and move forward.

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Aug 21 at 2020 12:32 PM

2020-08-21T12:32:48-04:00

Its not that I don't care.....well, take that back, yeah, I really don't care. There are a lot of more important things to worry about in this world than whether someone has a need to feel good about themselves by wearing awards/patches/medals that they didn't earn. As long as they are not stealing the money/privileges' out of another veteran's/service member's pocket, let them go.

I may shake my head because our job as service members and even as veterans is to SERVE, first and foremost. Someone who walks around with all of their medals (earned or unearned) on high display is not concerned about serving. They are more concerned about getting as much recognition and glory as they can.

Those of us who served know what we earned and we know what we did to earn what we received. We should not feel the need to justify what we have done nor shame someone else because they are in dyer need of attention any way they can get it. Maybe instead of shaming them, we should offer them a hug and realize that they are not trying to steal our honor, they are actually honoring us because they want to be like us, but for some reason unknown to us, they cannot. I'm not saying you should praise them, but you can pity them for not having the same opportunity to face the challenges we have faced.

Response by SSG Gabriel Martin made Aug 21 at 2020 1:18 PM

2020-08-21T13:18:01-04:00

I see issues of stolen valor as a sad commentary on the state of the individual and his/her need for recognition within their life, which supposes a lack in their self image. I don't think it is usually a purposeful and willful act to gain something which is not theirs, but a plea for attention of sorts. When found out, as most often are, their reputation and public image suffers accordingly. If there is a person whom is accumulating actual benefits which they do not rate, that is certainly an issue that needs to be dealt with. Actual defrauding of a Veteran through misrepresentation is a criminal act. Perpetrating an identity for the purposes of attention and recognition only elicits pits from me. I have known individuals whom misrepresent themselves as Teachers, Police, Soldiers, etc. and they usually are sad individuals. Just my opinion/reaction, to an issue, that I know often elicits strong responses.
v/r Gabe

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2020 9:27 PM

2020-08-21T21:27:32-04:00

These reprobates are worse than criminal. I want to take each one of them and make them pay. Even a non-battle vet like myself knows what the sacrifice means, and what they take away. Wanna be militia freaks are bad enough. If I see one, he'll see what the Army does!

Response by MSgt Roger Bon made Aug 21 at 2020 11:42 PM

2020-08-21T23:42:33-04:00

I, as a crew member on Fixed Wing Gunships, AC 119K's and AC 130A. E. & H's have been awarded
three (3) DFC's, Eighteen (18) Air Medals and Two (2) Presidential Unit Citations w/Valor. I have all of the substantiating DD-214's and DD- 251s in my files which are for me to have and hold. I am proud of each award even though I did not agree with the war in Viet Nam and South East Asia.

I did meet a WW II veteran at the BX on JBER that had EOD-WW II, EOD Korea and EOD Viet Nam. I was not about to question his Valor as his hat said it all.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2020 1:12 PM

2020-08-22T13:12:55-04:00

I am a non combat veteran and increasingly fell uncomfortable claiming being a veteran. I am proud to be a veteran but feel that my service as a non combat veteran is of no more valor or respect than any other civil servant and in many cases less. Much respect and honor associated with vombat veterans is stolen daily by legitimate veterans who do not deserve the respect and honor that is currently associated with being a veteran. That is the stolen valor that bothers me more. They belive they deserve it whereas the true phonies are easy to spot and most people who know or encounter them are aware of the deceit as well. They are not actually receiving any benifit from from the stolen title and are also living a life of self debasment every time propagate the falsehood.
That being said I see more real veterans who commit stolen valor with false claims with wings and tabs they didnt earn. That is what bothers me more than the frauds who never served and dont understand the implications of their fraud. The veterans who are frauds know better and are the ones who need held to the higher standard.

Response by CPT Dan Caudill made Aug 22 at 2020 2:34 PM

2020-08-22T14:34:01-04:00

I think as long as someone isnt getting benefits from lying about it, then couldn't care less. Now if they get anything because they claim a status and are not what they seem, prosecute them. Problem is knowing for sure. I will question someone who is obviously not what they claim, but I'm no ones judge.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Aug 22 at 2020 8:07 PM

2020-08-22T20:07:27-04:00

Stolen Valor is a big problem for the family the fradulent leave behind.
I have been the service officer who gets tangled into the mess liars made.
I have lost a very considerable amount of time researching and asking for and submitting requests for records that would validate a claim.

Consider the pyramid affect that this fraud creates.
For every moment I thoroughly investigate a single plausible false claims, as many as 100 real veterans whom need and deserve help are left to wait while on the short end of life's candlestick.
Many die during the claims process Regardless.
The system is already unfair to those who have earned it as it stands, admission of fault and exposure to chemicles and material that shorten a life usually comes after most of those whom were exposed are long past.

Response by CSM Stuart Fuller made Aug 23 at 2020 5:08 PM

2020-08-23T17:08:17-04:00

Some of the fake warriors have more stuff than Audy Murphy did. But I haven't heard any question a vet with the cook and bakers school lapel pin.

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Aug 23 at 2020 7:46 PM

2020-08-23T19:46:30-04:00

The only thing that jacks me up is someone disrespecting my country's flag. DON'T USE IT AS A RAG!!!!!!!!

Response by Cpl David Bientz made Aug 24 at 2020 9:18 PM

2020-08-24T21:18:44-04:00

Many times you can pick out those who may be guilty of Stolen Valor by their uniform, talk, deportment or the little things other veterans recognize as they had served. It's usually someone who is not very happy with themselves and wear the mask. To quote Clubber Lang, "I pity the fool". I was drafted in 1969 and spent 2 years in the Marine Corps, left as an E4. Closest as I got to Nam was Okinawa. I saw many who were relad on their way home, some ok, some not. I sincerely appreciate every Vietnam veteran who went because they took my ticket. That's the main reason I get pissed when I see someone try to cash in on the acts of others who have truly earned their place in history. I don't feel this matter should ever be overlooked, but myself, I would take that conversation to a place where we could talk privately. It could be a lesson on military class and courtesy and maybe shame them into revisiting their decisions. Their response should determine your reaction.

Response by SGT Dan Howard made Sep 1 at 2020 10:42 PM

2020-09-01T22:42:44-04:00

I believe to honor all past, present and future military servants. Any fake, lying and impostors should be CHARGED with FELONY abd prosecuted. They, we and all who earned it. Deserve respect and honor 4 fulfilling our oath to serve.

Response by R Noble made Sep 5 at 2020 2:29 AM

2020-09-05T02:29:27-04:00

stolen valor makes me laugh.

the closest i git to service wss a semester of ROTC in college. i was then, and am now, a dealer for mil-spec uniform pieces and gear.

i also play paintball on occasion, support a Sea Scout unit (and am uniformed while participating), and have been accused of stolen valor because of those things. no one i know uses service as a method to get ahead.

the reason i don't care is simple: SCOTUS upheld the law as unconstitutional in violation of the 1st Amendment. the right to make crap up id protected, even though it's offensive, until the time that it is used to defraud someone. fraud is still illegal.

that's the reason i don't care.

i also don't thank anyone for their service.

Response by SGT Aaron Tollman made Sep 5 at 2020 3:33 PM

2020-09-05T15:33:00-04:00

To be honest, what desperate people do to get attention doesn't take away from my service. Their dishonesty is their dishonor. It's completely harmless unless they are trying to gain benefits, then that is fraud. Fraud is serious, but pretending to be GI Joe is harmless and a bit amusing if not annoying.

Response by SFC Arthur Morgan made Sep 17 at 2020 10:55 AM

2020-09-17T10:55:44-04:00

Enlisted ARMY latter 1974 at 24 & have repeatedly had to correct those that assume I served during Vietnam. While proud of service with 3/3 ACR during Shield/Storm & return without single casualty or loss of our platoon or sister Scout platoon; won't allow even a simple assumption pass wo correction. An honor thing, for me. Further, have had occasion to be given 3rd degree by some character as to validity of my service and turned on him quick. I 'chose' to serve while many were leaving military because of stigma we were all subjected to by sillivilians & frankly made me angry. (Had an extended family member that flew helicopters with 1st Cavalry that was proud of.) I wear a vest (to aid in Concealed Carry of sidearm) & display 3Cavalry & 3Armor patches without a shred of apology, to anyone.

Response by PO2 James Oss made Sep 19 at 2020 11:43 AM

2020-09-19T11:43:25-04:00

Can anything really be done about it if a person wears medals, awards and rank he or she does not deserve? Or, wears the Flag as a part of clothing? I'm sure active duty personnel can get in trouble if they do, but vets, retired or served?
Why would they want to save some personality flaw?
A prominate administration attorney said that is not a crime to lie or falsify unless under oath as it is protected free speech.
I.e. nothing can be done save exposure and ridicule.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Sep 19 at 2020 11:23 PM

2020-09-19T23:23:46-04:00

I don't think it's that some of us vets don't care, it's more that we see people going on an uncontrolled Witch Hunt and getting it wrong. Look how many vets have been challenged by active duty, and stupid people that are out there looking for someone to "expose". We have Real Vets getting harasser on the street, airport and other places because of it. Some Vets have PTSD and other BHOST issues that some jackass sometimes causes the Vet to have an episode, plus the public humiliation because most Witch Hunters are Loud and want to get others attention that they have found a "Faker". Uniform Regs have changed at times or Vets even though out of "Regs" wear badges, medals or other Pins and such on jackets and hats or blazers. How correct guesses of Stolen Valor call outs make it okay to make 1 wrong call out on a Real Vet and cause him/her mental and emotional grief and Public Humiliation and do you think "Sorry" would be enough to make up for what they were put through?

Response by LCpl Nathan Witter made Sep 20 at 2020 8:38 AM

2020-09-20T08:38:48-04:00

I have seen it happen too many times where stolen valor is claimed but it isn't. You start questioning me out of the blue I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself. Fuck off with the dick measuring, yeah I think stolen valor is shitty and will shake my head in disgust but it is my brother who didn't serve that gets butt hurt about it not the other two and myself who did.

Here is a story of stolen valor gone stupid: My grandfather, it was claimed, joined the Marines, got his knee off in Korea, was a Drill Instructor and a great marksman. This story has been going since around 52ish. Here a month ago I finally saw his DD214 and other papers. He spent 11 months and 5 days on the Island, no awards, no decorations, was med sepped for a prior injury, MOS of 9900 General Marine, from what I can see he never even made it to the rifle range ..though cant be sure on that, dont know what boot camp was like in '51.

Response by SSgt John Carter made Sep 20 at 2020 9:29 AM

2020-09-20T09:29:48-04:00

I sure as hell care. Two branches, two boot camps. We earned ours.

Response by SPC Roberto B. made Sep 20 at 2020 1:46 PM

2020-09-20T13:46:04-04:00

So long as the man or woman is not looking to profit monetarily, get benefits, or otherwise gain undeserved honor, let them wear what they want. It is for those of us who served and serve today who guarantee that right to those who want to act the fool.

I usually see such things and give my monikered "Thank you for your service," and if they squirm, you will know they are living a falsity of life. I just wonder what else they might be fabricating in their lives in order to profer a display of completeness for the public?

Response by SSgt Kenneth Jones made Sep 20 at 2020 6:44 PM

2020-09-20T18:44:52-04:00

These phonies are despicable, and I say that they should be publicly exposed for what they are: LIARS.

Response by COL Kasey Warner made Sep 20 at 2020 6:58 PM

2020-09-20T18:58:17-04:00

You are only as big as what pisses you off. Any ignorant, self-important dude who challenges me on my service is not worthy of response. And if somebody is so worthless as to wear an unearned decoration, real military folks will know...and should give them the pity they deserve. But if they try to get an undeserved benefit, ok, turn 'em in to authorities for prosecution.

Response by Skip Tamke made Sep 20 at 2020 7:00 PM

2020-09-20T19:00:35-04:00

Civilian here. From my standpoint this has become more about the guy behind the iPhone proving his badassness than the supposed point. The law will take care of those stealing. The thrift store heroes are clearly not all there, so I pity them. If I see an older person proudly wearing veteran regalia I will always thank them for their sacrifices for me and the entire American populace.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Sep 20 at 2020 8:07 PM

2020-09-20T20:07:18-04:00

Because in the end, You know the truth. Causing a big scene wont help or really change the situation. And they really wont care. And does it really matter? As long as they not trying to get any thing for it like money or anything free i dont really care.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Sep 20 at 2020 10:04 PM

2020-09-20T22:04:40-04:00

SFC Joseph Galvan It's not that I don't care, SFC. It's that I'd rather let 10 fake fuckers wear their fake rewards, than to (wrongly) accost one single vet that was legit. This SFC said all that needs to be said.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2020 12:35 AM

2020-09-21T00:35:53-04:00

As a person who is quite blunt and to the point I would just look them in the eyes and tell them to F O.

Response by SN John Wampler made Sep 21 at 2020 3:00 AM

2020-09-21T03:00:49-04:00

I’m more pissed off that some lowlife who falsely claimed to be a Vietnam veteran, to advance his career, gets elected to the Senate from Connecticut. Even AFTER he’s been proven a Stolen Valor liar. He should be stripped and flogged in the village square. In my opinion.

Response by SGM Frank Marsh made Sep 21 at 2020 10:53 AM

2020-09-21T10:53:29-04:00

though I relish the opinions of all here, I do wish the personal attacks would stop. It's OK to disagree and state your reasons. Personal attacks among fellow vets are never OK.

Response by PO2 Lawrence Janiec made Sep 21 at 2020 1:36 PM

2020-09-21T13:36:00-04:00

First off, that's a great picture. There have been a lot of excellent comments from others, too. I think the best point, though, is that I would rather let the phonies keep being phonies than try to "expose" someone who isn't lying about their service. Another good point is that who do these people think they are "exposing" people they think are lying? Have any of them served a single day?

Now for the twist (OMG I feel just like M Night Shamalamadingdong!) I am guilty of stolen valor. When I was a small child, for a while I used to wear a (Marine/Navy style) camouflage hat and I would wear my father's Air Force Captain's bars on it. However, I wore them sideways, because I didn't know the correct way to wear them. This was the 1970s, so that I'm clear here. An active duty Marine yelled at me (and seriously scared the sh** out of me since he was this big Marine and I was about 8 or 9) and told me that if I was going to wear them, at least turn them to the correct orientation. Now for the second part. When I was a teenager in the 80s, I had the dream of being a Navy SEAL (yes, before the movie came out, I'm one of those rare people who wanted it and it wasn't just "flavor of the month") and when I went out to play paintball with my friends, I had a SEAL patch sewn on my camouflage fatigues, mostly because I thought it was cool. However, as someone else pointed out to me and admittedly it took a while to sink in, I didn't earn it and when I realized that I was stealing (in a way, and DECADES before "stolen valor" became a thing) I cut the patch off.

It is my sincere hope that people who are faking it will some day realize that they are a fraud of a human being (as I did) and change their ways. I think in my case I realized that the people who earn certain patches or badges or emblems or ranks/rate or awards have EARNED them, and in most cases those things they earned are quite difficult to earn. People who earn the awards legitimately wear them proudly because they know what it took to achieve them.

At the same time, it's not that I don't care. I have heard many stories about people like this, and usually I just shake my head. However, I also feel that suspecting someone of Stolen Valor and actually being 100% sure that they are guilty are NOT the same. If there is even a CHANCE that they are representing truth, then there is no reason to call them out. However, I heard about that guy who claimed he was a former SEAL and that he had earned not one but two Medals of Honor, now at that point I might actually call that person out. However, if I were to call someone out like that, I'd ask The Google on my phone for a page displaying all Medal of Honor recipients and ask him casually to please point to his name on that list? Oh, and please point to both times it was awarded.... I guess my "line" is just set farther back for disbelief. Usually it's set to points that I either know not to be true or a claim that is easily and quickly verified (like a 30 second Google search for MoH winners).

Response by MSgt Dave S made Sep 21 at 2020 5:37 PM

2020-09-21T17:37:49-04:00

I only get pissed off when I hear about or see someone receiving false benefits or profit off of false claims. I used to RV full time and you would be amazed at how many SEALS are in the community. Proudly wearing their caps with the Trident logo but, when asked they say "the hat says it all". I owned a bike shop and a lot of the special ops community ride. Not one ever wore any piece of attire pointing out that they were "XYZ"... In fact, most would rather mix in and observe and not stand out. The really interesting thing was that if you watched them, you would see that they were never totally relaxed and were always aware of the surroundings.

Response by Scott Pierson made Sep 21 at 2020 6:45 PM

2020-09-21T18:45:42-04:00

Always wear my Masonic ring in public. I've seen more fake masons than I have fake soldiers. Some didnt even know their lodge was bogus and no, theres no point in arguing with them. You can walk away or confront them but either way, they're gonna do what they wanna do. Save your energy.

Response by CPO Luis Torres made Sep 21 at 2020 7:55 PM

2020-09-21T19:55:52-04:00

None

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2020 8:29 PM

2020-09-21T20:29:05-04:00

I have better things to do with my time. If we stopped glamorizing military service and showed it for the dumpster fire it is, there would be less people faking service.

Response by SSgt Jim Barnhouse made Sep 21 at 2020 10:32 PM

2020-09-21T22:32:14-04:00

I ask simple questions as to their bona fides, but not in an obvious attempt to discredit them. 'What unit, where and when'..and if it passes the sniff test we'll share a moment about some common bond and depart as friends. If it doesn't I'll keep asking questions I know he can't answer. Not to beat him down, but to let him know that it's an honorable fraternity he's pretending to be in, not a party he's crashing. Typically it's bums looking for sympathy from motorists at an intersection. I DO NOT want people to think all vets are like that. We are mostly part of the fabric of society, not the fringes.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Sep 22 at 2020 1:49 AM

2020-09-22T01:49:42-04:00

Anyone that has to pretend they were something they were not either has no life or a mental health problem or both.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 22 at 2020 7:05 AM

2020-09-22T07:05:27-04:00

I understand this has been revived for a reason. One, nobody could for for an idiot like this. Two, the VA checks, checks and rechecks records when applying for benefits. Everyone out here says how hard it is to even get a benefit, short of a stolen identity, it is virtually impossible. The fraud comes from within the existing Veteran population. This is where the benefits are being stolen. Clowns like the photo will only be gauked and laughed at, and hat is a shame within itself. People like this do deserve help, it lays in a facility of sorts with special controls.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Sep 22 at 2020 9:11 AM

2020-09-22T09:11:58-04:00

It well could be a sign of mental illness. I feel pity for these insecure people. They could feel better about themselves by volunteerism in their communities.

Response by CPT Mark Lampton made Sep 22 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-09-22T15:44:24-04:00

I could not care less about some random dude making xyz false claims about his military service. It does not hurt me or any other veteran I can think of in the least bit. The exception to that rule happens when people lie about their military service to get benefits that are culturally or legally reserved for veterans, or when people lie about it to win a political argument or public office. We do not need stolen valor laws for that--we already have fraud statutes.

In short, my argument would boil down to, what point is there in exposing phonies unless they've clearly gained something of value by their false misrepresentations. Ol' boy in this photo here a'int fooling anybody who has been in the service or knows anyone who has. Let him make an ass of himself and go on with your life; if you see him going to try to get VA benefits or run for office on a "take care of our fellow vets card," then go to your State's Attorney's General website and file a fraud report.

Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Sep 22 at 2020 7:28 PM

2020-09-22T19:28:10-04:00

The only people I am required to show any ID on the street is Law Enforcement. If some fool demands I prove to them I served, I will tell them to piss off. Do I care about Stolen Valor, somewhat, Is it my purpose to expose them, no. I have better things to do with my time than worry about someone else. My service is not diminished due to frauds. I do not qualify for VA benefits, I get my free coffee from Starbucks once a year and 10% of a Lowes. If the latter two went away I would not really care.

Response by MSgt Ross Baxter made Sep 23 at 2020 4:18 PM

2020-09-23T16:18:47-04:00

Surplus Store Commandos eventually get “outed” by there own bravado and terminal stupidity.

Response by Cpl Bill Sandlin made Sep 23 at 2020 6:44 PM

2020-09-23T18:44:01-04:00

The man in the picture is not trying to look like a veteran. He just looks ridiculous.

I wear a veteran cap because I am looking for veterans to join my VFW or American Legion Post. I do not have a problem when veterans ask me questions about my service because I am also asking questions. I belong to a variety of veteran organizations and will show my membership cards if they want to see them. They would hear some language, they would not like if they called me a liar or a fake. That has not happened yet.
It bothers me when a person is trying to get veterans benefits when they are not a veteran.
Bill - Marine Veteran

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2020 9:48 PM

2020-09-23T21:48:20-04:00

I look young for my age, and a female so more then a few are surprised if I say I’m military. If I wear my deployment shirt/sweatshirt many assume my dad/spouse got it for me. Never judge a book by it’s cover, just because someone doesn’t look like their a vet doesn’t mean they aren’t. If someone is faking it then I’ll let Karma catch up to them.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Sep 24 at 2020 10:18 AM

2020-09-24T10:18:48-04:00

It's been over 50 years since my trip to the Nam and at this point I am too old to care. Although when individuals use some edge like valor or ethnicity or the likes to gain an upper hand over somebody else, that bothers me to some degree.

Response by Cpl Brad MarkW made Sep 25 at 2020 8:44 AM

2020-09-25T08:44:12-04:00

As I get older, I care less and less about a lot of things. What you wear, what you smoke, drink or who you want to have sex with. It really is none of my business. With "Stolen Valor", I just don't care because if your life is seriously so pathetic that you have to resort to that just to make yourself feel loved or accepted, I actually feel sorry for you. It must be agonizing to feel so worthless that you have to steal another identity and live a lie. Good. Because I'd rather be dead to be honest, than live like that. I am reminded of the scene from the movie "300". To the Spartans, death in battle is revered above all things. It is their Valhalla and the entire reason for their existence.

Leonidas' force is practically defeated and he faces Xerxes one last time. He looks over to see the hunchback Ephialtes, glittering with gold and ribbons. Realizing he was betrayed, Leonidas, King of Sparta, a warrior among warriors, reserves just one line for the wretched, deformed traitor, [he takes off his helmet and his shield after being asked to submit] "You there, Ephialtes: may you live forever." The hunchback winces, knowing he's received the ultimate insult, from his true King no less.

The Spartan insult goes something like this: May he live with the guilt of his actions for all of time and never receive the glorious death on the battlefield that all Spartans desire."

So that's where I fall. I hope they have a long life and live every day with the inner guilt that they surely must feel every time they make a false claim. Knowing that at some point, they will get called out or embarrassed publicly. Will today be that day? I hope not because I hope it hurts to look themselves in the mirror and think about that day when it comes. I've worked with polygraphs and I know that the inner stress people can feel from being uncomfortable can be measured, but they can appear normal on the outside. That stress eats you up and manifests itself in things like cancer, chronic illness. I hope it was worth it.

Response by SGT Thomas LaRochelle made Sep 25 at 2020 4:04 PM

2020-09-25T16:04:04-04:00

Wearing badges and medals not earned is like wearing a halloween costume. Applying for benefits fraudulently by claiming you served or lying about your rank or combat status is a crime in my book.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Sep 25 at 2020 10:05 PM

2020-09-25T22:05:21-04:00

Some people just want to be clowns (Referring to the above pic). I have no place in my World on Stolen Valor. However I don't think it is in my place to confront one whither he/she is a true VET or not. That is up to Congress to address the issue. There is laws on the books for impersonating military personnel in a Active/Reserve/NationaL Guard role, but not for impersonating Veterans. Anyone can buy any military award except the CMH and if one is obtain illegally can receive jail time. However there has been military personnel wearing awards that was never awarded to them and received UCMJ punishment and in some cases a Court Martial. So stolen valor comes on both sides of the spectrum. Also I have seen family members that was never been in the military that has wore something of a Fallen service / veteran family member to honor him/her at special events or ceremonies. You might say that they can get the forms online and it is true, but there is a drawback. EXAMPLE: If one submits a DD Form 214 that the revision date is DEC 2019 and the filled out form showing service dates 20 years ago then the form should have a 1999 date on it or around that time frame. There is a reason for dating forms. Sometimes there is no change in them. I think they are change about every 5 years if I remember right when I was working in the forms supply system.

Response by William Davis made Sep 26 at 2020 8:55 AM

2020-09-26T08:55:58-04:00

I wear the U.S. insignia my grandfather wore during WWII while he was in the army, then USAAC and eventually the USAF. If someone is not bright enough to recognize that this 70+ year old insignia is now retired from duty that is their problem. Hell he is the one who would pin them on me for Veterans day and Memorial day events and parades when I was young. I wear some of the pins still, but not for any kind of benefit, but out of respect for his decades of service to this country and his memory. I wish more veterans would work to instill that level of pride in the service and the country again, especially with the fubar direction we are heading now thanks to the anti American sentiment being indoctrinated in schools and certain parts of society as a whole.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2020 10:16 AM

2020-09-26T10:16:18-04:00

Its the culture. The whole "I'm a -insert branch- and I'm billy bad ass and how can you be like me?!! Looks are way deceiving. If its the mental case pictured, then any reasonable person can see this guy isn't stealing anything from anyone. Those that are trying to get something by being a faker, well its easy. Call them out and move on.
If you really want to get down to it. Look at your own uniform. Did you really earn it by way of above and beyond or did you "rank" earn it? Were you one of the 5 Bronze Stars authorized by your unit. Better yet, did you PV2 get the deployment AAM when they aren't authorized for deployments? Sir of what ever rank, did you get that Bronze Star even though we all know you blew it the entire time downrange? Something to think about.

Response by SGT Harold Watson made Sep 27 at 2020 8:06 PM

2020-09-27T20:06:04-04:00

There alot of idiots running around doing this stuff. It just shows their ignorance. I see these stolen valor idiots holding signs begging for donations. Personally I ignore them and don't donate. They are making themselves look like fools, and as long as they don't interfere with me, I'll ignore them.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Sep 27 at 2020 8:31 PM

2020-09-27T20:31:56-04:00

It doesn't bother me unless they are trying to get money out of it. I have all kinds of uniforms that I can no longer wear (I grew out of them). But I do have two hats I wear. One is the hat my team in Afghanistan had made, and which I never wore in Afghanistan. We weren't supposed to wear soft caps there, but I did wear a cap from Kansas State University, frequently, while on patrol. So sue me. The other is from the USS Iwo Jima, with the designation "Plank Owner" on the back. You Navy guys know what that means, and you KNOW I am not a plank owner on any ship. But I still wear that hat because it was given to me for my dad, who was a plank owner (USS LST 693, WW2) Dad is dead now, so I wear the hat sometimes in memory of him. You are free to try to prevent me from wearing either one, but the result will be unpleasant for both of us.

Response by MAJ James Givens made Sep 27 at 2020 9:52 PM

2020-09-27T21:52:34-04:00

How anyone can do such a despicable thing and look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me.

Response by Neal Chamberlain made Sep 28 at 2020 8:46 PM

2020-09-28T20:46:30-04:00

My experience is 100% the opposite.
My daughter (Major, National Guard) frequently gives me t-shirts- usually from her current unit/MOS. Between my proud wearing of those and other style factors, people often assume I have a military history. I have met some very nice people explaining that despite being 66 years old and keeping the hair God has let me keep cut short, I am a career civilian. I have had a long history of working in positions that required operating diplomatically, so I am slow to jump down anyone's throat for any reason. Those occasions are thusly reserved for times I know DAMNED WELL I am right. If someone has a VA ID or 214, I will accept its validity since investigating same is none of my business. I would much rather take my chances of someone receiving undue kindness than to risk a veteran beinf slighted in any way.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Oct 5 at 2020 2:40 AM

2020-10-05T02:40:39-04:00

They degrade the uniform and the service of the legitimate veterans out there. I for one would like to see them locked up for several years when they try to get benefits that they don’t deserve.

Response by MSgt Layton Webb made Oct 5 at 2020 9:19 AM

2020-10-05T09:19:01-04:00

it is a shame that we even have politicians that are guilty of Stolen Valor.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Oct 5 at 2020 2:37 PM

2020-10-05T14:37:10-04:00

As long as they are not getting benefits I generally ignore them. The only time I get in their face is when they insert themselves in a vets organization or vet project. Then they get the bums Tmrush

Response by MSgt Manuel Smith made Oct 10 at 2020 7:52 PM

2020-10-10T19:52:04-04:00

Many more important things in life. Very low priority.

Response by SGT Mary G. made Oct 16 at 2020 4:30 PM

2020-10-16T16:30:31-04:00

I care, because it insults all those who served. But it is not a crme to insult people, unless it is hate speech and intended to be verbally abusive (DI's are always an exception to that rule, lol - and it is good self-discipline training for recruits). So unless it is prosecutable fraud, I pass on reacting.
However, there are reasons we are advised, while serving, to limit being out in public in uniform. Some folks do not experience those reasons until they have separated from the service then wear a uniform in public. There are also "rules" for veterans who have served about being in public in uniform, as civilians. Not applying them creates some of the problems.
If I was going to wear my uniform in public I would take the required time to look up regs, so I know I have it right (and in the event of revisions) plus make sure I'm presenting as inspection-ready. But that's me, not necessarily everybody else too. And it wouldn't stop folks who are cruisn' for a bruisin', anyway.

Response by A1C Stephen Will made Oct 24 at 2020 2:11 PM

2020-10-24T14:11:49-04:00

I believe we have all seen this. They may make fun of Us. But, deep down, they wish they were one of Us. Being a Vet, we are able spot Fake a mile away. I would only consider a confrontation if the person was disrespectful of his 'uniform' or branch of service.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Oct 24 at 2020 9:05 PM

2020-10-24T21:05:41-04:00

Some wants to play military fine. If they use it to get benifits, I will go to the end to stop it. If some one challenges my service they had better look me in the eye when they challenge.they will know. Been there done that

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Oct 25 at 2020 8:49 AM

2020-10-25T08:49:31-04:00

There is a difference between some nut case who dresses up with medals like the guy in the picture and someone who is attempting to gain something with stolen valor. I feel sorry for the nut cases just as I would for anyone who has a mental problem. I get more upset with someone who tries to steal for their own personal gain, including those that go around saying they were "Era" vets. How desperate are those people. You served and should be proud of your service. You do not need to wear a hat saying "ERA". That is just as bad as those who are stealing valor.

Just my opinion. I am a Vietnam Vet and a Iraqi Vet. I am not a Desert Storm Era Vet even though I was awarded the NDSM (star). Only those that earned the right to wear the Medal/Ribbons for a particular war can call themselves a Veteran of that war/operation.

Response by SPC Michael Budzinski made Oct 25 at 2020 9:05 PM

2020-10-25T21:05:14-04:00

Because most, especially older have serious mental health problems and some have severe loneliness. How bout focusing on real veterans getting discriminated every day

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 7:51 AM

2020-10-26T07:51:18-04:00

I met a guy who wears a ranger hat. He tells anyone who ask no I was never a ranger. But I wear this hat in memory of my older brother . Who was a ranger and he gave me a ranger hat the last time I saw him. He was killed in Iraq. I would hate to see someone like that a Gold Star family member get harassed because somebody feels offended that he may wear that hat as a memorial. And I am also at no obligationto disclose my proof or service to anyone. Other then when I go to seek medical treatment or ask for a discount. Other then that who assigned you to check the id of veterans. Yeah I cannot imagine what I would do to someone harassing an old timer World War II a Korean vet. SMH

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 12:40 PM

2020-10-26T12:40:21-04:00

It bothers me because I had an uncle who was a 1st class poser POS. Most of my life I listened to his tall tales of his adventures as a Navy corpsman during Vietnam. All the lives he saved, etc. He was disabled and never did an honest day's work in his life. Everyone called him "Doc". Then came "that day" at a family reunion when he was again regaling us with his stories of valor and my aunt simply had enough and stood up and told him to just shut up that she was tired of hearing his lies. Apparently he had been a cook, never set foot in Vietnam and got chaptered out after 2 years because he was constantly drunk on duty. My aunt is the one who picked him up at the bus stop when he got home.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 7:24 PM

2020-10-26T19:24:39-04:00

I think stolen valor is super cringey. Guys (and girls) walking around in a uniform looking out of place and unable to answer simple questions when asked about their uniform or service.

That being said, I don't think they should be punished for strolling around like its Halloween. But... once they try to use their silliness to get military discounts, get a free coffee etc etc, THAT is where the line needs to be drawn and the authorities notified.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2020 8:54 PM

2020-10-26T20:54:16-04:00

I look at it like what does it cost me? If they want to go on pretending to be something they aren't then not my problem. If I'm a hiring authority and find stolen valor on an applicant that's one thing, other than that, if they aren't affecting me or mine, is it worth my time?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2020 9:56 AM

2020-10-27T09:56:57-04:00

The constitution

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2020 2:18 PM

2020-10-27T14:18:06-04:00

Me getting into someone’s business doesn’t make me a millionaire

Response by SGT Frances Richardson made Oct 27 at 2020 3:12 PM

2020-10-27T15:12:30-04:00

Super late on this but I personally couldn't care less. It doesn't affect nothing that I'm entitled so if someone wants to play dress up, have it. I'd be too busy minding the business pays me to even notice.

Response by MAJ Larry Richardson made Oct 27 at 2020 7:17 PM

2020-10-27T19:17:18-04:00

Thiis is a difficult issue to address! Here is one example: I was decorated with the Bronze Star Medal and Order of the Purple Heart in the hospital after leading a resupply convoy through enemy territory and getting wounded in a mortar ambush.My CO and a witness presented the awards. I was medically evacuated a couple of days later. After release from rehab in the hospital, I reported into my next assignment dressed in Class A uniform with the ribbon set that was done by my CO's witness. The Personnel Office told me I was not entitled to those two decorations because they were not indicated in my 201 file! As I contested it for the next 9 years, I was fed excuse after excuse by the Army's Department of the Army Personnel Office. My father (RIP) was decorated by General Eisenhower for his actions and wounds that occured during the Battle of the Bulge in WWII. He received my Medevac Kit before I was released for convalesence, and unpacked my uniform with the ribbon set mentioned above. He insisted I not remove those two decorations from the ribbon set. To this day, the Department of Army insists there is no record of those decorations!!! So, it's difficult to know if someone is wearing decorations that are not recognized. I KNOW that mine were deserved. Enough said. I don't often speak about the issue.

Response by PVT Rocky Susshine made Oct 28 at 2020 12:59 AM

2020-10-28T00:59:39-04:00

I had a good friend. Only after his death. His son told us he was never in the military service. The man bragging he was a Marine Officer. He even went to the Marines dinner every year. Paid for by another Real Marine. Incredible

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Oct 28 at 2020 1:08 PM

2020-10-28T13:08:56-04:00

I don't address "Stolen Valor" because I don't believe that the valor displayed by many veteran can ever be "stolen." Those posers have nothing to do with me, my service, or my earned benefits. I don't have time in my life to police the world to identify those misguided individuals who feel they have to lie to get noticed. Anyone who is defrauding the system and receiving unearned benefits is breaking the law and, if I discover it, I'll report it to the proper authorities. I have no need to confront such an individual.

No poser will ever besmirch or belittle my and my fellow veterans military service or denigrate those brothers and sisters who made the ultimate sacrifice.

BTW: I have read about cases of "Stolen Valor" which involved individuals who were mentally challenged and simply wearing the uniform because they were proud of our military members and believed they were simply displaying their respect. Would any of you browbeat someone like that?

Response by LCpl Walter Larson made Oct 29 at 2020 1:22 PM

2020-10-29T13:22:16-04:00

I think that the stolen valor issue means more to those of us who actually saw combat; a very small percentage of veterans. I lost my leg from combat wounds and while I would never directly confront a person it makes me angry when someone falsely claims to be something that I sacrificed for. While I'm at it, those people who use "veteran" as a means to beg for money really irritate me. It is degrading and creates a bad image of veterans. I have a jungle camo shirt that I like to wear as a light jacket but rarely do in public as it is now associated with beggers. Semper Fi

Response by SGT George G. made Nov 10 at 2020 7:40 AM

2020-11-10T07:40:09-05:00

Well the above picture is quite extreme. Obviously not a veteran but someone looking to get attention.
I work in an environment where many wear a hat showing service in a branch, or a campaign and I usually thank them for their service followed by a few questions! Where did you serve, when did you serve, what did you do. More so out of curiousity and not testing them. We do offer a military discount. Many produce their retirment ID which more than satifies me. All I wear is a US flag pin with Veteran under the flag. I get many thank you's for your service and occassionally a question or two. Once asked , I have no problem telling folks when, where, what, and how I survived. A great conversation ensues. When I come across someone on the corner pitching for help I do stop. I'll pull over and park and go and talk to the person. It becomes fairly obvious quikcly that the person is stretching the truth about being a veteran and they just tell me that folks take pity on him as a veteran and they will more readily give to him. He means no harm just wants a meal. so I give them gift cards to a local close resturant so they can eat. Never give cash. Now those that are truly veterans and in need of help, I have cards I give them to contact the Veteran services we have in town. (Richmond VA) we have many and I still give them a food gift card. I don't really have a business card but I do give them a personal card if they need help or guidance. I'm a Vietnam Vet, 70 years old and during my 50 years since Vietnam I have had my share of issues. I sought help, got it and grateful. It's time to give back. don't be so quick to judge. We are all in this together, be compassionate and listen to their story. We all have a story. Be well, be safe. Since 1950 Sgt Gagnon

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2020 1:38 PM

2020-11-16T13:38:54-05:00

In context and in certain situations its worth the fight. Otherwise, just carry on.

Response by SFC Larry Triplett made Nov 19 at 2020 5:55 AM

2020-11-19T05:55:26-05:00

I care about Stolen Valor but I will not humiliate a Veteran in public! if I feel like I have a concern about his medals I will ask him or her if we can talk, and try to fix the issue.

Response by SGT Adam Wolf made Dec 4 at 2020 7:47 AM

2020-12-04T07:47:08-05:00

If the person is getting some kind of benefit from the stolen Valor it pisses me off. If not it's either sad or funny or both.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2020 11:07 PM

2020-12-19T23:07:59-05:00

My rule of thumb is, are they trying to get something for free? Are they taking advantage of others generosity? Then I will usually let it slide. I have actually had someone Stolen already me and I was in ACU's at the time. Funny thing is he claimed to be a vet so I turned it on him.

Response by Cpl Henry Busby made Dec 22 at 2020 11:54 AM

2020-12-22T11:54:35-05:00

Working within the Veterans' Services community, I will tell you first hand that it is one thing to tell someone that they are a vet, but yet a far greater burden to receive any form of benefits from that story. Of course anything can be beat, but that is rarity. Someone like the guy in your picture, you know immediately that something is wrong with him. What would it serve you to confront him. I believe that you would look like an idiot arguing with an idiot. But that's me.

Response by SR Jack Miles made Dec 31 at 2020 10:39 AM

2020-12-31T10:39:28-05:00

I care, BELIEVE IT. I did not serve my full term of service, because of issues with my knees, that I incurred while serving.
However, I see no honor in these youngsters chasing after old timers, and the IDIOTIC CLAIMS that ANYONE can print off a VA Medical card. If you don't know.. those cards, ARE NOT paper. They ARE NOT laminated, and the magstrip on the back, is just one feature, that helps Identify VETERANS. I know, because although my time was cut short by serious knee injuries, while I was in.. I had to fight to even PROVE my injury occurred. I am THANKFUL for the VA, but LET LAW ENFORCEMENT take care of the fakes, and posers. That's their job. Not ours. Although I was NEVER released from my oath of enlistment, I'm in no shape, because of DJD, to chase after idiots, nor would I want to.
My family is more important than those posturing cock of the walk clowns.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Jan 3 at 2021 7:40 AM

2021-01-03T07:40:22-05:00

It’s not a matter of not caring. Seeing an obvious fake tends to piss me off. Seeing a fake getting discounts meant for veterans really pisses me off. A few years back, I was wearing my Marine Corps blues. I support Toys For Tots and wore my uniform at every opportunity. Thing is, I wasn’t wearing it correctly. It’s a bit complicated but in simplest form, I wasn’t supposed to wear my Air Force awards on my Marine uniform. I read the regs and talked it over with some of the other Marines and figured I was following the regs. Nope, I wasn’t. The correct answer was to wear only stuff that I earned in the Marines. I’m perfectly legal wearing everything I earned in both services on my Air Force uniform. Once I got I figured out, I got the Marine uniform corrected. I wasn’t attempting to commit fraud. I wasn’t attempting to wear anything that I didn’t earn. I messed up on interpreting the uniform regs. I won’t be confused with stolen valor. I corrected my uniform accoutrements and went on with helping to raise new and unwrapped toys for kids who wouldn’t get a Christmas otherwise. If someone wants to jump in my shit because of an honest mistake, so be it. However, I won’t back down from someone wanting to go aggro for an honest mistake.

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Jan 8 at 2021 12:53 AM

2021-01-08T00:53:41-05:00

I might say something to a 20 or 30 something wearing a Vietnam or earlier Veteran gear. And I'm sure going to say something to anyone wearing the uniform wrong. You do it politely and tactfully. There's no point in making a Jerry Springer episode out of it.

Response by MAJ Anne McGee made Jan 8 at 2021 9:25 AM

2021-01-08T09:25:03-05:00

All I can say is that those who engage in this behavior better be right when they confront somebody or they may be subject to a defamation lawsuit. I see fewer and fewer displays of veteran paraphernalia simply because our brethren from WW11 thru Vietnam are dying out. Most are members of a VFW Post and don't have to display. I would say there is no need to confront somebody unless they are discrediting the service they are representing or other services in an aggressive display. I may call somebody from the Navy a "Squid" in jest and they invturn call me a "Ground pounder", but that is all in fun as we all have served our country, but that doesn't constitute disrespect. Just don't call me a "dirty, nasty leg," 'cause them's fighting words!

Response by LCpl Charles Stacker made Jan 8 at 2021 10:26 AM

2021-01-08T10:26:06-05:00

I'm 67 yrs old and if you catch me on the wrong day and ask me something that's none of your business you might get punched in the throat

Response by Sgt J Adams made Jan 8 at 2021 11:59 AM

2021-01-08T11:59:29-05:00

To be blunt? Me. I might have looked like a "Marine's Marine" once upon a time but these days not so much. I'm a (dare I say) bubbly, enthusiastic, smiley kind of person these days who doesn't look like he's killed anything meaner than a sandwich in his life. I mention I served in the Marines and the first time I got that *doubt look I actually laughed and said "Yeah, I don't look it so much do I?" I do still care about SV, but the thing I've come to realize over time is their cosplay make-believe doesn't take anything away from what we did or how we did it.

That being said, don't think for one second I won't have some fun at their expense. If we're in a group I won't straight call them out but I will give them a chance to show the stink of their BS a little. Best thing I do is "So one thing I've always noticed is that no matter how long ago you went to boot camp / basic training, you can always remember the names of your Senior Drill Instructor and platoon address." Then I rattle off mine and watch them bumblefuck or give the "For me it's classified" nonsense.

The point of this rambling post is this: As veterans we have broad shoulders and thick skins. If someone is so desperate for approval of his peers that he makes up valor stories then maybe that's more a cry for help than anything. Maybe I'm hopelessly optimistic, but there it is.

Response by SFC Kory Schaubhut made Jan 9 at 2021 5:38 AM

2021-01-09T05:38:29-05:00

If it’s egregious and you come across it, well… it’s a free country. For the most part people “wrongfully receiving benefits” are doing things like getting a free piece of cake at Applebee’s or 10% off on a cup of coffee at an airport. Serious fraud based on stolen valor is not a common thing.

Most of it is petty and beneath me, especially since butting my nose in runs the risk of wrongfully accusing someone. And people should be aware there are legitimate people who have deeply weird service histories. You only know what’s “normal” based on your own experience.

Now, I can see calling someone out because they’re conning people I know, because it’s blatantly obvious and in my face, because family’s involved, and so on. Sure. But if you -- as some random dude on the street -- demand to see my ID card, DD-214, quiz me, etc. the best thing that could happen is me telling you to go **** yourself and walking away.

Think how you want to be treated before you start the Inquisition. This stuff where people get on a crusade about it is just crazy. Imagine chewing out some veteran who preceded you by 10-30 years just because you didn’t know things worked differently back in their day.

Response by COL Larry Sage made Jan 10 at 2021 12:40 AM

2021-01-10T00:40:08-05:00

As a criminal court judge, I was often asked to show leniency to a plea convicted defendant based upon their veteran status. I asked what was on their DD Form 214. When the couldn't answer, I explained that we were now conducting a direct contempt hearing for lying to the court. If they apologized for their attempted false valor, I accepted their apology, expunged the contempt and went on to sentencing. If they failed to apologize, they could be sentenced to incarceration, fine or both, within the statutory contempt parameters. It has nothing to do with ego, phonies or any such feelings; it is a simple accountability action based upon the facts. Americans are pathetically weak on accountability and the civilian version of constructive criticism is disappearing as Americans are now so thin skinned, they won't accept criticism, even if constructive, to help them become better or seek improvement! Hooah!

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jan 10 at 2021 9:23 AM

2021-01-10T09:23:39-05:00

Unless it is obvious that something is not right (and we all know how easy it is to spot inconsistencies), I would never challenge anyone. What I do do is whenever I request or get a military discount or some such thing, even if they don't ask - since I might be wearing a cap or something - I make it a point to show my ID card! And I say that I like proving I am not a "fake".

Now I have been in some units and places where few others have been, so if someone initiated a challenge to me, I'd first tell them to produce their proof, and I then would produce mine. Case closed.

Response by SGT Carl Forsman made Jan 10 at 2021 1:08 PM

2021-01-10T13:08:34-05:00

I have never had time to worry about some ones credentials, I do think if someone is receiving benefits and are undeserving they should be convicted and incarcerated because I have met and lived around many a man who was disserving and couldn't close that circle. I grew up going to 82nd Abn conventions with my grandfather back in the 70's and 80's, got to go to one while I was in myself. The same stories every year, just a little bit better than the last year. Still the good story, the men of steel still survived, time has a way of glossing up. I realize this with my own little stories (no where near as strong as the great men I am recalling). I hire mostly, only if I can, veterans. I served in the 80's and 90's, most of the kids that come to me are suffering from something, they were in the desert, some multiple tours, some I am convinced never left the hanger, lol. I believe there is a special place in hell for those who steal valor. And as a back sliding, working on a Sunday kind of Christian I believe it is not my job to judge, those doing wrong will always pay in the end. As for the culture of those out to disprove others experience, I think some of these guys need to find a life, I really haven't had time to watch TV since 1977, much less spend a minute trying to disprove some one else's personal experience. Someone on this site told me I was lying about my profile, and I say to everyone here like I told that gentleman, come visit me, I got the DD214 and a couple of pages of jump log, a couple of guys I served with I am still in contact with. This is my big outlet, so I am not personally out there making big splashes. But, if you want to sit around and drink a few beers, I got a few stories, I would all of you do.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Jan 10 at 2021 2:40 PM

2021-01-10T14:40:10-05:00

Sadly in today's civilian world honor and integrity don't seem to matter. look no farther than today's crop of politicians who use stolen valor to farther themselves.. They blatantly lie and misrepresent themselves and Americans still vote for them. an example of this is Sen. Richard Blumenthal, who lead voters in Connecticut to believe he was a Vietnam veteran when, in fact, he was never deployed to Vietnam. He obtained at least five deferments and later served in the Marine Reserve in the Washington area, according to a New York Times article in 2010. He was still elected, stolen valor be damned. Stolen valor only matters to vets because they earned theirs.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Jan 11 at 2021 2:00 AM

2021-01-11T02:00:32-05:00

It's not that Vets don't care about Stolen Valor, it's that the witch hunt for it has gone to far...There are Many "Patriots" that actively look for Stolen Valor and end up being wrong and end up hassling real Vets and military personnel because they "THINK" they know what they are talking about or looking for causing physical and mental harm to their targets. Look at how many stories have been on the news of Combat Vets getting hassled by these so called "patriots" that end up causing those with PTSD and other issues to have regression in their condition just so they these "patriots" that "think they know can feel good even the active duty assholes that think they found one are wrong too. Or a self righteous active duty that shame Old Vets because they wear chevrons and other military insignias on blazers and other civilian cloths because they don't have or can't fit in a uniform anymore that they are Fakers because they are out of Regs. Is finding Stolen Valor more important then a Vet's mental and physical health? Yes there are Fakers out there but I'd rather leave them be as Retards then be wrong and shame a Vet by mistake. Just because we are Military active or Vet does NOT mean we know every uniform Reg and insignia EVER worn or authorized throughout our history...Do you? Do you know every little patch, insignia, cover or any other piece of military uniform ever allowed on a uniform? I doubt it and most people military or not don't Military Historians are probably the only ones that know because that's their job....Even our military jargon and it's meaning has changed over the century so is finding 100 Stolen Valor worth shaming a real vet with mental and or physical issues and making their worse by mistake? I for one say No it is Not okay. You know you are or were in the military just be proud of that and don't worry about those Stolen Valor retards. It's to late to be sorry when you mistake a real Vet or Soldier, Marine, Airmen, Sailor or Space Cadet j/k lol Space Force Personnel I don't know what their called as a Stolen Valor and damage is done. https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/vietnam-vet-attacked-shamed-at-airport-35331015

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Response by SGT James (Mike) White made Jan 12 at 2021 12:03 PM

2021-01-12T12:03:02-05:00

It is hard to believe someone would do such a thing but the way things have been going lately what more can we expect. We are a small percent of patriot's who signed our life to defend this country and really have not asked for much in return. Thanks for your service to all are brothers and sisters who serve and have served to defend our Constitution.

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jan 12 at 2021 1:14 PM

2021-01-12T13:14:29-05:00

With the way this country is going.. I don't even consider it worthy of discussion... It I had my way..every male in this country would serve in some capacity.... I thank the Army just about everyday
for what they supplied me...
I am what I am.... Popeye...
I used to think the "stolen valor" confrontations were a good thing but not so much anymore....

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jan 12 at 2021 1:41 PM

2021-01-12T13:41:25-05:00

I've never been asked in any capacity about the military.....To look at me today nobody would ever believe I used to be in the service....

Response by PO1 H Gene Lawrence made Jan 12 at 2021 1:43 PM

2021-01-12T13:43:35-05:00

I’d politely ask for him to tell me what everything on his uniform means. I always need a good laugh.

Response by SPC Jason Dickey made Jan 12 at 2021 1:44 PM

2021-01-12T13:44:46-05:00

Stolen Valor should be punished. However, the problem is that it turns fellow veterans against each other. I wear a hat with our units crest on it. It's very subtle. You wouldn't notice it unless you were in our unit. A guy at Home Depot (an employee) once interrogated me about it, and asked me "where I got it from" what "gives me the right" to wear it? I just told him that I bought it on the internet, and that it was my unit at Ft. Bragg. His demeanor was so abrasive, it reminded why I only spent four years in the Army.

Response by SPC Jason Dickey made Jan 12 at 2021 1:49 PM

2021-01-12T13:49:22-05:00

Stolen valor is terrible. It should be punished. On the other side of the issue is that fact that it causes other veterans to treat each other inappropriately. I was once accosted at Home Depot by an employee for the hat that I wear. It's a baseball hat with a very subtle unit crest that hardly anyone would notice less you were in that particular unit. I just told him that I bought it on the internet, and I kept on walking. It reminded me why I only spent four years in the Army.

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jan 12 at 2021 1:56 PM

2021-01-12T13:56:24-05:00

SGT. Edward A Carter. jr. my all time favorite CMH winner. No stolen valor there. What a history.
I always thought that if I could have lunch with any great man from the past it would have been Thomas Jefferson... but now I think it would be Ed Carter instead... A most amazing man.

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Jan 12 at 2021 5:18 PM

2021-01-12T17:18:05-05:00

Admiral Jeremy Michael Boorda A lesson in honor that was a waste of a good man..
RIP

Response by HN Chris Robinette made Jan 13 at 2021 10:58 AM

2021-01-13T10:58:03-05:00

Share with everyone you trust. "The Plan to Save the World" on YouTube. Watch it and make up your own mind.

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made Jan 13 at 2021 4:30 PM

2021-01-13T16:30:15-05:00

It has gotten to the point, now, where honesty is just a bullshit word used as a club against someone who is not liked. We can watch persons in positions of authority lie their ass off but, when they want to make someone else look bad the first thing they do is call them a liar. I've worn stripes and had a commission. I am truly old school and believe your word is your bond. In today's world it seems words are just air passing over vocal chords. Today, especially, at West Point, where Duty, Honor, Country is the motto, the Honor Code which in part says I will not lie or cheat nor tolerate those who do has now become words. If a jock cheats on an exam it's ok because the object is to win - beat the other team and if cheating is required to pass an exam to stay on a team then it's ok to cheat because who wants to be a loser? Also if one is to have the right to call out someone else, the caller had best have full knowledge of all regulations pertaining to wear of uniforms and accoutrements for each specific period of time and for each service. Case in point: the Purple Heart Medal and the Bronze Star Medal have been moved in precedence back and forth because a Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor OR Service. At one point in history the Purple Heart was higher than a Bronze Star for Service and a Bronze Star for Valor was higher than the Purple Heart. And to watch some snot-nose telling a World War Two, Korea or Vietnam Vet their ribbons are wrong and that makes them a poser is the height of assinine behavior. That is why stolen valor no longer bothers me. It seems that it is a sport only assholes play.

Response by LTC Dennis Rears made Jan 13 at 2021 11:19 PM

2021-01-13T23:19:27-05:00

I am against people receiving any benefits based upon fraudulent claims on military service. That is fraud and should be prosecuted.

Response by SGT Brian Messenheimer made Jan 18 at 2021 7:46 AM

2021-01-18T07:46:14-05:00

Sorry, but to me this is no different then a phoney Doctor or a phoney Police Officer, and no I wouldnt feel comfortable allowing 10 phoney Doctors or phoney Police Officers to get by so one real one isnt questioned by real Doctors and Police Officers. If your uniform is worn wrong. If your ribbons or citations appear in the wrong spot. If your 'stories' dont ring true I will question it. Those appearing in uniform are given implied respect and everytime a phoney asshole shows up and is uncovered with no repercussions the public will question a real Soldier of Vets bonafides.

Response by CPT Don Cox made Jan 18 at 2021 12:22 PM

2021-01-18T12:22:39-05:00

Those who wish to participate in the misappropriation of valor and those who don't care have no soul!!! Few things disgust me mpre!

Response by CPT Don Cox made Jan 18 at 2021 12:24 PM

2021-01-18T12:24:41-05:00

Those who participate in the misappropriation of valor and those who are not bothered at the practice have no soul!!! Few things disgust me more!!!

Response by SSG William Jackson made Jan 24 at 2021 7:06 PM

2021-01-24T19:06:03-05:00

PROBLEM for me is that the general public sees us attacking other Vets and think it is okay to start questioning every vet. Do you remember when we used to just get a free meal every year without ID. Soon it will be bring your ID, DD-214, and notarized statement

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2021 3:57 PM

2021-01-28T15:57:21-05:00

Freedom means that idiots can dress like the military dresses. Its exactly what we fight for.

Response by SR Michele Butcher made Feb 1 at 2021 12:10 AM

2021-02-01T00:10:16-05:00

Ive been accused of stolen valor twice in my life (im fourth generation military) apparently the new army soldiers think that a rating doesn’t exist that all branches have a mos

Response by CPT Thomas Monahan made Feb 14 at 2021 9:46 PM

2021-02-14T21:46:50-05:00

I do care if someone is defrauding the US citizens; however, if someone is playing dress up they are either ill or delusional. Like others have said, I’d rather pass by 10 fakes than wrongly accuse a fellow Vet.

Response by PO2 Frank Ushler made Feb 15 at 2021 4:45 PM

2021-02-15T16:45:48-05:00

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Response by PO2 Frank Ushler made Feb 15 at 2021 4:48 PM

2021-02-15T16:48:14-05:00

You can see. This guy is Hollywood and not a serious. Threat. To anyone,.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Feb 17 at 2021 9:12 AM

2021-02-17T09:12:02-05:00

One look at the uniform and seeing the fruit salad and several CIB's and WWII ribbons on a less than 90 year old tells me that the person has a mental issue. They just need a hug.

Response by Cpl Tony Simpson made Feb 17 at 2021 9:36 AM

2021-02-17T09:36:30-05:00

If someone is wearing a service related hat or shirt I guess that's their business. I liked it when posers who got any kind of veterans benefits were being prosecuted but as I recall the supreme court stopped that. In Missouri a disabled vet, military retired or a vet who was awarded any of our recognized medals gets a free license plate and all vets have their status listed on their drivers license. The state checks us out pretty well. Personally the only time I ever checked any ones veterans status was if the applied for a code enforcement or disaster response job

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Feb 17 at 2021 11:30 PM

2021-02-17T23:30:49-05:00

We’re at points in our lives where we don’t feel like we have anything to prove to anybody. When you reach that point your tolerance for other people’s BS that doesn’t actually affect you goes up.

Response by SFC David Drury made Feb 18 at 2021 1:52 AM

2021-02-18T01:52:32-05:00

If being a PX ranger is their thing.. wtf... do you really want to risk outing a for real MOH recipient, just because they dont look the part anymore? As far as receiving benefits they didnt earn.. idk.. i had to go through a kazillion Drs both Army and VA.. you dont fool those people.. or X-rays and MRIs

Response by SSgt Megan Donahue made Feb 18 at 2021 6:09 AM

2021-02-18T06:09:08-05:00

On one hand, yes I do care about stolen valor. Right up to a fraudulent president and the fake military that he surrounds himself with. Even his fake Air Force One. That really bothers me. I see beggars on street corners who pull the vet card and you have no idea if they are vets or not. But the flip side to this is that many women get ignored or dismissed as veterans. Every time I go to a veteran function at a restaurant or a VSO venue, I am treated like a spouse. On Veterans' Day, when I go out to eat, I rarely get the thanks that my male, non veteran counterpart gets. In a way it is funny, but in a way it isn't. 30 years after serving in the military and women still aren't viewed as veterans. Even the VA is poorly prepared for us, as I have had to wait in the ER for 24 hours once for a female bed in ICU and again on the medical floor. They sure as hell don't like you bringing up menopause as a legitimate medical condition. I don't wear a ton of camo or paste patches all over my clothes, hats and car. I don't use the vet card automatically to get deals at stores. I really don't use the vet card to up the anti in a disagreement, as if it places more value on me rather than a non vet, but I see that all the time. So yes, stolen valor needs to be addressed every time that it is identified, but just recognizing that veterans aren't all male would be nice too.

Response by MSG Al Aguilar made Feb 18 at 2021 11:14 AM

2021-02-18T11:14:43-05:00

I don't care. I feel something must be missing in their lives to make them engage in such activity.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Feb 18 at 2021 10:58 PM

2021-02-18T22:58:19-05:00

Wither a person shows up looking like a clown or CAPT Obvious. It is not up to me to question their military service. It is up to the authorities to discover if he / she is a fake. Any non service member can produce documents wither alternating a families military records or getting them on line and filling them out. But here is a catch. These records must be on file in ST Louis, MO. But that also can be compromised if they know how and where to send them. The address that we use to request our records is different than what a unit uses. Once ST. Louis receives such records there is checks and balances in place to make sure they are authentic. Remember that active members of the service has been known to have done the same and when caught they get harsh punishment.

Response by 1SG Michael Anthony Gonzales made Feb 19 at 2021 11:50 AM

2021-02-19T11:50:49-05:00

Senior, I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes strolling through the mall or shopping locations, when I see military dressed personnel, first thing I do is a “inspection”. Habit. Hooah

Response by SPC James Drury made Feb 19 at 2021 3:47 PM

2021-02-19T15:47:24-05:00

It is an interesting question. On the one hand faking military service is a dishonorable act, on the other side challenged to prove your service is, or could be, offensive to most veterans.

While in my police uniform one day an older gentleman aggressively approached and challenged me by yelling in my face, "Whats a 214?"

Taken aback, I wasn't wearing anything to indicate military service and unsure of the man's reason for the question , I softly whispered, "A Military Discharge?"

The man smiled and thanked me for my service and walked on. I guess I'm relating the story to say I think that in and of itself, is enough proof for anyone.

Jimmy Dee

Response by SPC James Drury made Feb 19 at 2021 4:07 PM

2021-02-19T16:07:57-05:00

I agree, well said Sir. Especially liked your comment, "We can watch persons in positions of authority lie their asses off..." So, true its all we see on the news everyday now as we watch the value of 'truth telling' being destroyed.

Response by PO1 Woody W. made Feb 28 at 2021 9:20 PM

2021-02-28T21:20:48-05:00

The only time I'll say anything, and 99 out of 100 times, in a discreet manner, is when whatever they're claiming they have done, or wearing... if it's so obviously skewed to the point of not being possible, I let them know I'm on to their Bull$h!t. Other than that... I'll allow the "Karma Police" to take the appropriate actions.

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Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2021 9:19 PM

2021-03-17T21:19:09-04:00

The fact that "stolen valor" has lost its meaning. Actual stolen valor isn't someone prancing around in a uniform or part of a uniform minding there business. Actual stolen valor is someone wearing a uniform or using false military veteran status to gain income, employment or some kind of discount.

Response by SP5 Bill Merritt made Mar 26 at 2021 5:25 PM

2021-03-26T17:25:55-04:00

I’ve only been challenged one time, and that was when I used the Veteran’s parking space at Home Depot . . . even though my car had a Disabled Veteran license plate. The lady wasn’t sore that I took the space she wanted, she was already parked. We got to talking and it turned out she wasn’t even American. She was a Brit from Northern Ireland, of all places. Go figure!

Response by Cpl Douglas Wuenschel made Mar 27 at 2021 6:45 PM

2021-03-27T18:45:03-04:00

I have been questioned regarding my service in the Marines because my Jeep had decals
and other Marine labelling. I was actually pulled over by a UNT security officer who seemed
to feel it was his duty to interrogate me.
Cpl Doug Wuenschel, USMC 1960-1966

Response by MCPO Lee Oslund made Mar 28 at 2021 2:05 AM

2021-03-28T02:05:45-04:00

Anyone that wants to doubt my 20+ years and asks me to prove it can kiss my rosy red ass and I am not afraid to tell them so. I have nothing to prove to anyone. Anybody doesn't like it they can take a flying fornication of a rolling confectionary.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Mar 29 at 2021 7:01 PM

2021-03-29T19:01:17-04:00

It doesn't take much to spot a faker. Some were in the military others are full of shit. Either way, they should be taken aside, not screamed at in public.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Apr 10 at 2021 12:41 PM

2021-04-10T12:41:29-04:00

Well I look at it this way: Not my job to question them...if they are for real, great. If not, then they are the ones who have to live with the knowledge that they're living a lie. Sooner or later everything comes out in the wash anyway.
I remember talking to an old fellow one time who was wearing a BDU shirt with a long tab on his left sleeve, master wings and CIB on his chest...we just chit-chatted while fishing off a pier, and he mentioned he'd been on Eagle Claw. I just let it pass.
About a month later I was talking with a friend of mine who really had been part of that mission, and I mentioned that I had run into so-and-so while fishing...and my friend said "man I haven't seen him in ages...we were on the teams together, how's he doing?"
I would have felt like a complete idiot if I'd tried to call that old guy out...he was the real deal.
I'd say giving the benefit of the doubt is the best course of action. Just my 2 cents

Response by TSgt Robert Moore made Apr 11 at 2021 5:06 PM

2021-04-11T17:06:14-04:00

I agree!!!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 16 at 2021 4:18 PM

2021-04-16T16:18:58-04:00

It is out of control. The only cure is to take them all off for a while then bring them back a few at a time

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Apr 16 at 2021 6:03 PM

2021-04-16T18:03:49-04:00

I see this as having two sides. On one side, we veterans (including retirees) have earned all the honor we received; we got them honestly and worked our a$$'s off to do it. So, when we see somebody "just claiming" these honors, we can be righteously dismayed, if not downright upset. Many of us would like to take action in these cases; we're "action" oriented people, and so that's understandable.

On the other hand, there are many people who actively do not honor the military; not in any way, not in any manner, the "Jane Fonda" types. Anything to put some military type down is okay by them.

While I won't be prescribing any solution, here, I am certain that there is some middle ground. On one hand, there needs to be some level of respect for the vet and retiree. And on the other hand, well there needs to be some level of respect for the vet and the retiree.

Perhaps there might be some polite, civilized way to handle suspected stolen valor; it's just not something like confronting the individual willy-nilly.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Apr 16 at 2021 11:00 PM

2021-04-16T23:00:06-04:00

I have a life other than being the "Uniform Police" or the "Awards Monitor". You can now call me a "Vet", "Mister" or "Bob". Those are my new ranks. Why don't I join the VFW or American Legion? I don't want to be with "lifers". There have been many changes in the military since the days of Viet Nam --many MOSs have changed or been replace with new ones. I don't want some "wet behind the ears" Private come up to me and ask me what my MOS was and then argue I don't know what I'm talking about. I worked at a place for 7 years before anyone knew I was a "Vet". [Someone saw my retired ID.] I agree wholeheartedly with Michael, I don't have to proved anything to you. Leave me along.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Apr 18 at 2021 12:43 PM

2021-04-18T12:43:21-04:00

we should already know, as the veterans community policing ourselves, that we don't wear uniforms during travel, UNLES it's on paperwork that we're required to show. We shouldn't be in stores asking for discounts unless we're in a group setting, because we always have a battle with us in uniform, right? There's things we should know already that fuckers will take for granted, fuck it, as long as they're not declaring's themselves as high ranking officers or SMG, a 10% discount don't mean shit... it's a scratch off the top at McDonalds

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Apr 19 at 2021 7:50 PM

2021-04-19T19:50:36-04:00

Freedom of speech is a hell of a thing. Personally I’d rather stand next to a man who is stolen valor than stand near one who would burn a flag..... those that are guilty of stolen valor are just liars. Those guilty of burning the flag are traitors

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2021 5:41 PM

2021-04-22T17:41:02-04:00

This may just be my opinion here, but I'm going to lay it out anyways. When it comes to businesses offering discounts or free meals for veterans, that's something that they do out of appreciate all on their own. Although most of the time I tend to seclude myself away instead of going out for benefits on Veterans Day, I still wholeheartedly appreciate their generosity. That being said, what kind of a thank you do you think you are giving to those businesses for causing a scene at their establishment over a suspected case of stolen valor? At the end of the day, it's just some guy getting a meal on the sly. Sure, I feel disrespected. But you also have to consider the chance that you might be wrong, and the guy really did serve. Either way though, it is completely disrespectful to cause a big scene at any establishment offering a thank you special of any kind to veterans, just because you think some guy you know absolutely nothing about is getting a free sandwich he didn't earn. Suck it up for the half hour you're there, and talk to your therapist about it at your next appointment if you have to. But absolutely DO NOT cause trouble for the business that is just trying to do something nice for us. I rank entitled bro-vets just as low or lower than stolen valor people.

Now if you have a person using stolen valor for personal monetary gain, or to promote their business, then by all means expose them within the limits of the law. But do not do so in a way that reflects poorly on you or the service you are so proud of.

Response by SFC Robert Thomas made Apr 22 at 2021 6:27 PM

2021-04-22T18:27:25-04:00

I was approached my a young e2, trying to bust me out for wearing a Navy seabee hat and a army jacket, He had asked me which one was I in. I busted him out really quick, I was in the Seabees 10 years and the Army 10years, I scared him to death when I asked what unit he was in, and told him next time be a little more respectful, You can never know someone's Military history

Response by SFC James Corona made Apr 23 at 2021 2:54 PM

2021-04-23T14:54:24-04:00

I realy do care and can't fathom how a man or woman can look themselves in the face and fake Armed Forces War or Peactime Service. I served 20 years 8n Army and my brother served and went MIA during Korean War. Other served during Viet-nam. Maybe these people are on low self esteem drugs.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Apr 23 at 2021 5:00 PM

2021-04-23T17:00:42-04:00

As a 32 year Army Veteran I have only ever once seen someone pretending to be a veteran. Most of them are very obvious as they will have no clue about how to wear their uniform or they certainly won't look the part. I am about 9 of 10 on spotting Veterans when I see them. The other 10% are usually police officers or athletes. I don't go out of my way to look for the fakers either. Not saying I could care less but it is not on my priority list.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Apr 23 at 2021 9:05 PM

2021-04-23T21:05:18-04:00

I have delt with this for over 50 years. I had a young man ask me for proof only one time. When he asked I replied if you have walked the walk you would never have to ask another if they have. Look them in the eyes for 2 seconds and you will know. If they look away they are not real. If the burn holes in your eyes you know you screwed up . You better have an answer for them or you might be in a world of hurt. Y dad a retired Col. WW2, OSS, 10th Special Forces was challenged once at age 72. The challenger was in tears in less than 30 seconds, I learned from the best.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 24 at 2021 11:35 AM

2021-04-24T11:35:35-04:00

This brings up a question that i need to ask. Does everyone get a valid Military ID, including reserve, Guard, Coast Guard? Now if the answer is yes then you should never Challenge to anyone WITH OUT YOUR ID OR DD 214 if you don't have it just walk on by you do not have a valid reason to challenge others if you can't prove who you are first. No a VA Health card is not proof of being a VETERAN, It Proves you are provided Medical Services through the VA. Not that you served as a actual Soldier.

Response by Cpl Andrew Talbert made Apr 26 at 2021 10:53 AM

2021-04-26T10:53:30-04:00

I just flat out dont care. If I'm wrong, I don't want to be part of the veteran community that puts other vets down. If I'm right, so what? All I did was tell someone they didn't serve and there's nothing to stop them from continuing that behavior. I've also mostly had bad experiences from being a vet. Potential employers take my passion and confidence for aggression and a "my way or the highway" attitude. I've been struggling to get a job that will pay me for my bachelor's degree and or experience. So if someone wants to take on the burden I feel, so be it.

Response by SP5 Wilbert Jennings made Apr 26 at 2021 1:34 PM

2021-04-26T13:34:13-04:00

Those that have received special awards didn't do what they did for a medal. they did what they did because it was the the right thing to do. A real patriot classified as a hero isn't asking for any praise. With saying that when an opportunity occurs that one can share what they have been awarded and why, it serves as a history and why the individual choose to do what they did to earn the accommodation. People pretending to have earned a medal or medals are insecure and or needing the attention they didn't earn or where not able to do so. In conclusion real recipients aren't walking around with their medals . We know what we did or didn't do .

Response by SSgt Cynthia Hamilton made Apr 26 at 2021 4:16 PM

2021-04-26T16:16:16-04:00

It's especially important, in this era of insurrectionists, that true veterans speak up, to make sure the wannabes are put on notice.

I was in Lowes a while back, a long line, and a 20 something guy in front of me wearing a 3%ers tee shirt. I asked if he was really a member or just thought the shirt was cool. He said he was a member. We started a dialog about why, what was the attraction, etc... people around us were listening intently, not even leaving the store after their purchases were finished. As he was checking out, the clerk asked if he was military, for the discount. He said no. I said, "oh, that's too bad, you'd understand the oath and constitution better if you had served, like I did. I'm a vet."

Some folks clapped! Pretty amazing to me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2021 7:21 PM

2021-04-26T19:21:25-04:00

Because no matter what someone does or claims to have done it does not take away from what me and my brothers and sisters have done. I think a lot of the people worried about stolen Valor would be better served worrying about enforcing regs while in the service honestly.

Response by SPC Ray Orvin made Apr 27 at 2021 3:29 PM

2021-04-27T15:29:04-04:00

Because the motherfuckers who got them never deserved them to begin with.

Response by SGT Erica Smith made Apr 27 at 2021 8:58 PM

2021-04-27T20:58:30-04:00

As someone who has been accused of not being a vet, tread lightly on accusing people of stolen valor. All I did was park in a veteran parking spot at Home Depot and some loser with nothing better to do started yelling at me because I’m “not authorized” to park there. I guess because I’m a female and don’t wear and OIF hat everywhere I go, I must not be a vet. Unless you have irrefutable evidence that it is truly stolen valor, mind your business and walk away.

Response by PO2 Gene Conners made Apr 28 at 2021 6:05 AM

2021-04-28T06:05:47-04:00

Unless it personally and negatively affects me, I don't care who dresses up and presents themselves to be other than who they legitimately are be it a veteran, a specific type of veteran, the President, or even Jesus Christ.

Response by 1SG Robert Siedenburg made Apr 28 at 2021 7:21 PM

2021-04-28T19:21:41-04:00

Many of us have been presented awards for which proper documentation did not follow. We live in a real world. How on earth would you expect a 95-year-old veteran to produce documentation on the spot? My nephew was awarded an ARCOM in front of thousands of people. I have the video. But he never received the certificate, so he could never wear that meaningful award. Lousy administration can cause the most heroic person to miss out on proper documentation of awards.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made May 4 at 2021 9:32 PM

2021-05-04T21:32:54-04:00

In my own experience, the fakes are pretty easy to spot. Why they do it, I have no idea. Them wearing an award or decoration they didn't earn sure as shit doesn't cheapen mine. I know what I've done, where I've been, and what I've earned. I don't need to prove anything to anyone else, nor do I feel the need to harass and humiliate a phony. Does it piss me off? Yeah, it does. But, if they aren't using it to gain special privilege, monetary reward, or other compensation, why does it even matter? Look at it from the viewpoint that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made May 11 at 2021 11:45 AM

2021-05-11T11:45:38-04:00

I care.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made May 15 at 2021 5:33 PM

2021-05-15T17:33:20-04:00

I don't really care about the posers who get a uniform, pin on a lot of medals and insignia all jacked up. Most people know they're phonies. Even then, some of the old vets forget about their service until they get older and the pride wells up again but never kept up with uniform standards. So they may wear the uniform on Memorial or Veteran's Day at a parade and be a little out of sync. What I care about is the guy who fakes documents and joins a Legion or VFW or runs for political office or uses his fake resume and a well crafted story for personal gain. If I ever was aware of someone doing that, I would out them faster than a CSM spotting a bubble gum wrapper on the parade field.

Response by SSG Chris Jones made May 28 at 2021 9:47 AM

2021-05-28T09:47:03-04:00

Anyone out there fakt cheking panhandlers who stand on the median of the road with a sign that say "Homeless Vet, anything helps"?

Response by SGT Andrew Anderson made May 28 at 2021 9:31 PM

2021-05-28T21:31:21-04:00

My feelings regarding stolen valor are mixed. I truly believe that many of these guys you see out there decked out like Chesty Puller and Audie Murphy combined, truly have some mental issues. You can pretty much tell that type right off the bat, they have no idea what they're talking about. Then others who actually served and try to embellish their service and what their contributions actually were. Those guys are just lying to themselves and dishonor the time they did serve. And then there is the group out there trying to profit by claiming service and military decorations and awards. This last group should be the ones that are prosecuted. They are trying to defraud either the government or some unsuspecting private business into believing their masquerade to gain some kind of monetary reward. And as far as confronting these fakers on the street who you believe is impersonating a veteran or are not in the military, I'd leave that up to the police. If you feel someone is committing a crime, notify someone who can legally do something about it. I really don't know what makes some people believe they can just walk up to a stranger and start asking for ID or proof that they are who they say they are, even the police can't do that unless they suspect that a crime has been committed. If someone questioned me, I'm afraid I'd have to tell them to go kick rocks and mind their own business. As kind of an indication of how widespread this problem is, I remember reading somewhere that during the Census of 2000 there were over 13 million who claimed to have served in Vietnam even though only about 2.7 million actually did. Back in the '60s and '70s none of them wanted to join and serve, now they all trying to be one of us.

Response by SPC Kerry Cooper made May 29 at 2021 7:37 PM

2021-05-29T19:37:59-04:00

Not that I don't care its more of I'm just tired of it. I had a guy tap me on the shoulder awhile back and thank me for my service. I looked up and he has a cap on that reads Army Infantry & Nothing else. His choice I guess. My cap says Vietnam Veteran, 196th LIB with a miniature CIB affixed. In our conversation he says he was Infantry in Vietnam, in the bush in 1971-72. But then he asked what my pin the little gun signified?
Conversation ended then and there and I drove on in my little old power wheelchair. No confrontation I'm just too old and tired for that.

Response by CPL Brian Baumgartner made May 29 at 2021 10:41 PM

2021-05-29T22:41:27-04:00

That depends on how you define it. If you mean the criminal offense (defrauding the government or private parties, including but not limited to wire fraud), I certainly am against it. I have friends who in the early days gave sworn evidence that eventually led to prosecutions and convictions (anybody remember Beg Leg?). I am a bit skeptical that you observe a trend of servicemembers hearing of this crime but not caring. But perhaps you have experience to share. At the same time, I wonder if you are leaning toward the unfortunate trend of those obsessed with a self-righteous calling to target those who don't "feel like a real vet" and treat them like Public Enemies.

If you mean lying about "service" for respect, for alcohol or for tail, that is rather often done by actual servicemembers. If you are asking about those you believe are lying about having ever been in the military at all or having deployed (or especially being SOF) but not defrauding anyone, my answer is pretty simple. One, I don't know that person well enough to be sure. Two, it is a rock-solid First Amendment right to wear more awards and tabs that MacGruber. And three, a blunt reality check: Being a veteran isn't a sacred status. I have seen many partial and also thorough pieces of shit at all ranks. They may have been in, but they never served insofar as that word should be used properly. They may say it was honor and selfless service, but if you know them, you know it was only ever what it would do to elevate them and those who held them up. The Soldier's Creed, the Army Values, the NCO Creed, none of these were obligations or even guidelines to follow, but rather recited for prestige and power. Question their integrity on that, or whether their demands violated those, and the entire philosophy is thrown out and despotism replaces it, even with E-1s. So I am not automatically outraged at All American John Blue who wanted to protect and defend others, but through no fault of his own was denied over a medical problem; if he wants to play dress up to alleviate the soul tear that denial caused him, I don't care; sometimes he is the type who still does more selfless service than most and represents to the public actual veterans far more than the toxic DV crowd would ever even attempt.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made May 29 at 2021 11:56 PM

2021-05-29T23:56:24-04:00

Maybe I fool myself, but I can usually tell a phony from veteran. There are so many little tell tale signs...Like what is parade rest. or knowing the exact dates of the military op they were in. Now, stealing from the VA, could be serious, but again...the records are so well kept. I have never seen anyone whose discharge status was misstated.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2021 1:57 AM

2021-05-30T01:57:13-04:00

It's honestly just so exhausting to worry about someone lying if it doesn't have a tangible effect.

Like, if a random old dude in Walmart wants to tell me he was a black ops special forces sniper in space force in Vietnam... like... fuck it, what does it matter? Who does it hurt? We both know he's lying, and if that's how he wants to live his life... whatever.

I know what I've done, what I've earned. Why should I care what a rando is lying about? It doesn't hurt me, doesn't affect me, doesn't diminish my service or anyone else's in any way. Might his lies get him the occasional "military discount?" Sure. So fucking what? Is that why we do what we do, for 20% off coupons at Texas Roadhouse?

Response by SrA Sheila Holmes made May 30 at 2021 10:46 AM

2021-05-30T10:46:07-04:00

I say welcome to the world women veterans live in every day; we are often overlooked, questioned out our service; presumed to be a spouse when he park in veterans parking spaces; and when we say we’re veterans, our service is diminished against that of our male veterans’ accomplishments. Why would I ever question another veteran’s service, given what we so often experience ourselves.

Response by SSG Steven Bison made May 30 at 2021 8:15 PM

2021-05-30T20:15:31-04:00

i never get tired of listening to somy dry drunk at the VA telling his war stories it gives me content for my comedy skits

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made May 30 at 2021 10:02 PM

2021-05-30T22:02:49-04:00

Because I have no control over it, and it is not wise to worry about things I have no or little control over.

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made May 31 at 2021 12:09 AM

2021-05-31T00:09:35-04:00

So our local grocery store has a prime parking place for military vets. Besides my tiny Vietnam service ribbon decal on a back window, I have a DAV parking permit, and look like I should have it.
So some character cane up to me and challenged me for the parking spot, telling me to “prove it.’.
I walked into the store and he complained to the management, who responded, “i trust our Vets..
I don’t trust you!’”. I could have not wished for a better outcome.

Response by PO2 Bull Halsey made May 31 at 2021 12:10 AM

2021-05-31T00:10:47-04:00

I simpy dilike honeys. Our government is full of them. They all need to be outed.

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made May 31 at 2021 12:49 AM

2021-05-31T00:49:10-04:00

I don't get offended when someone questions my service. That is better than the treatment we received in the 70's and 80's. What does brother me is when someone where the uniform or medals they have not earned. And people who try to talk military and end up making an ass out of their selves. Those are the ones that put a bad name on the military and most have never served. Most are easy to spot and give themselves up after a few questions. In my view they are worse than those who have never served yet run down vets and current members of the service.

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made May 31 at 2021 8:13 AM

2021-05-31T08:13:26-04:00

I wear my USMC hat. I did 10yrs in the Corps. (0311) ive had more idiots walk up to me and try to tell me that they were recon. I just walk away. Seems to me that there were more recon than just regular grunts. Amazing

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made May 31 at 2021 10:29 PM

2021-05-31T22:29:07-04:00

Not all are as obvious as the clown pictured above. Though, most are easy to spot, some are not.
You should ask yourself,
Why do you care so much?
Most vets. can easily see them. "The yeah, sure." "Whatever." is usually good enough to keep them walking. If Stolen Valor doesn't get the hint, outright shunning is usually good enough. You can go the extra mile to poke holes in their story if you want. If you don't want to be targeted as an A$$ yourself, you might want to consider doing that quietly.
You might be wrong.
Granted, if they are fraudulently making gains off of it, that might be another story. There are routes for that. The options above, are fairly adopted by most. Legal action, if necessary.
Just don't be an A$$ yourself.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2021 6:02 PM

2021-06-01T18:02:21-04:00

Why am I against the hunt for stolen valor? Because it tends to get out of hand and bleed over to anyone wearing military branded clothing. I've bought a lot of SWAG for my kids over the years (Seal logo T-shirts from Little Creek, SF logo T-Shirts from Bragg, etc.). The last thing I want is for someone to go up to one of my kids asking them what entitles them to wear "such-and-such".

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Jun 2 at 2021 9:45 AM

2021-06-02T09:45:25-04:00

Why waste time challenging insecure people who know they are not what they say they are. Eventually the truth always comes out without having to do anything. It bothers me to see people wear clothing, patches and medals inappropriately or as decoration, but as one post put it, this is a free country. Those of us who served with honor can take pride in our service to our country, these wannabes or posers will never know that pride. Now if they are doing it fir monetary gain or to obtain veteran privileges, that is a different matter but that is for the people who are providing the benefit to verify.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Jun 2 at 2021 2:30 PM

2021-06-02T14:30:55-04:00

The reason for me is that if you are wrong, you caused trouble for someone. If you are right you did the same thing. Is it really worth the trouble of humiliation of someone who may or may not be wrong? In some cases, a person may get physically hurt. Some may make an honest mistake. I do not feel it is my place unless it is so blatant, you do not have a choice. Not worth the trouble it may cause you or them.

Response by SSG William Ryan made Jun 5 at 2021 10:39 AM

2021-06-05T10:39:00-04:00

I mean not sure how phonies as you put it would be able to collect benefits at all. Unless it’s a non VA outfit. As far as “stolen valor” I mean; you have your wannabe marines, dudes that washed out of basic or AIT claiming they are Rangers (I’d be really impressed if one actually knew the Ranger creed haha) or Navy Seals, for which there are 70 fake ones for every real one, Go Navy lol.

Guess nobody wants to be a PJ or CC .. nobody claiming Airforce, or Coast Guard ... definitely not Space force!

Look, end of the day, who really cares. Most of these guys have a mental illness, or some idiot that's obviously full of shit that is just embarrassing themselves. If somebody believes them .. well that person needs to make better life choices lol! Sure, there are a few convincing "confidence" men .. that tell a good story, did some internet research ... but they are easy to catch in a lie.

It is the latter that most probably have an issue with. At work, at a bar, party or w/e, you see somebody claiming to be a Seal (most common) ask them what their BUDs class was, who were the cool instructors, who were the dicks, who was in there boat crew .. and be tactful, in the context of a conversation, a casual one. Obviously you never forget this information, and if somebody hesitates or has a brain fart .. then ignore them, move out. Or call Don Shipley :-)

Somebody claiming to be a Marine .. (WHY?) some do .. must be the uniform or they watched the Pacific. Just ask them their favorite crayon flavor haha! I hear some fake Raiders and MARSOC folks are popping up, but a small community, if they can't name people in common, then it's BS.

Somebody claiming to be a Ranger, ask them the Ranger Creed (you will never forget that, be it if you were in the 75th or went to Ranger school, or both) Have yet to meet a fake Ranger that knew the Creed. If anyone ever met one, I would like to know .. that is dedication!

Somebody faking a Green Beret, ask them what ODAs they were on, (this is how you tell if somebody is full of shit) say they say 135 ... you can ask them "did you go to Japan on the weekends?" How was the dive locker. Now most will know 1st group is in Fort Lewis, but forget a Battalion is forward, so if they look confused .. gawtem! I mention Dive Locker because 1 (which group) 3 (1st Battalion 1-3, 4-6 2nd Battalion, 7-9 3rd Bn) and 5 in this case a Scuba team, 4 a HALO, and so on for mountain, Marops etc, all have designators. Most fakes won't know this and not get that far. Ask them there roster number in selection, or favorite part of Robin Sage ...

Point being most fakes take on one of those identities. Few might try to pass as a fighter pilot or ... god help us tip of the spear, CAG/ACE/DEVGRU or whatever other SMU. And unless you knew a guy that went into a unit you were friends with, or if you are at Group, and hear the guys telling stories, you know which dudes had served in those units. Outside the wire, outside the military, unless its a podcast within the community, you would never know they would never talk about it.

Point of all this is its easy to tell when somebody is full of shit, if you need to protect the Trident, the Tab, The Beret .. I get it, just do it tactfully. But honestly, who really cares at the end of the day. Asking people for their papers .. makes you sound like a Nazi at a Nazi Occupied country at some checkpoint lol. Who the fuck are you to harass some dude ... and then falsely accuse somebody ... like wtf!

My motto after getting out .. seeing this stuff .. is "too rich to care" meaning I have enough shit going on, and other things to worry about, other responsibilities then to deal with some dipshit wearing more medals than a hacked COD avatar or wearing a uniform that's so fucked up you wonder if it is a tik tok video or Ashton Kutcher is punking me lol!

Just ignore, move on. Focus on yourself and stop trying to cause trouble and division. Most of this shit is freedom of expression, speech etc, My dad said it best, and I am sure he heard this somewhere else, and probably been said on TV, but "and I am paraphrasing here" You see a guy burning an American flag ... you don't tackle him or whoop his ass, even if you want to. If you have to say something, you say ... Hey sir, I hate what you're doing, but I'll die fighting for your right to do it. If you served, you were deployed, you did just that. You know you're kosher, that's what matters, the people in your life, those important to you, know this too. Don't worry about idiots. If you are worried about crap like this to an extreme extent, you need to reevaluate your own life and rise above this petty dumb BS.

Just my 2 cents.

Caveats exist ... some stolen valor dude dating your sister ... yeah, call his ass out, or some fake Ranger or Seal getting brownie points at your University in your MBA class with the girl you like ... crush his dreams! Outside that .. stay in your lane and let YouTube video's be made about them ... or call Don Shipley!

And as an Army Vet, I fuck with the other services all the time .. hope you get the humor! I served with a lot of cool dudes from the Navy, Intel, Operators, some cool Pilots doing staff time in Yong San, lot of cool Tac-Ps and SWO guys at Group, Lot of Marines at Huachuca and in Bagram even Coast Guard guys doing Medical training (who are really nice guys .. like the most down to Earth out of any service haha) I know most of you will get it .. but in this cancel culture me2 PC world ... figured I will put this disclaimer :-)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2021 7:26 PM

2021-06-05T19:26:34-04:00

I agree with LTC Michael Mathews, I honestly DGAF if some one says they are in the army or says I’m not. I know what I’ve done and how long I’ve been in I don’t need anyone’s approval. Nor do they need mine.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Jun 18 at 2021 12:19 AM

2021-06-18T00:19:34-04:00

The only stolen valor issues I would even get riled up about are those getting money out of it. Though not the poor guy begging on the street corner but instead the person stealing from the VA system or many of the charities out there. The second people are your politicians and celebrities who BS about their service. There is no need for a politician who served during the Vietnam war who served in Germany lie and said he was in Vietnam and then when caught claims "I miss remembered." That is a direct reflection of their integrity.

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Jun 18 at 2021 4:49 AM

2021-06-18T04:49:16-04:00

Think this one needs a revival. RP is no harder to get on than Yahoo Comments. We all know how many 'Fake Americans' were there and on Facebook over the last 5 years. I have no doubt there a few from St. Petersburg on here, and if you're so uninformed as to not knowing what I'm referring to, I pity you. There is another thing that I find that is even worse than fake valor. Using one's valor to support treason and insurrection. Those who stormed the capital on the 6th are being hunted down. Those who support that on here also need to be hunted down.

Stolen valor is just more than claiming to be military or pretending to be what you're not. It can be a Fake patriot wrapping themselves in a flag or even a POTUS claiming he went to europe during WWII when he never left California.

So, I care about valor. In my book, I honestly believe that misused valor is worse than stolen valor. I never got on here to play politics, but when I see people spreading lies to destroy our freedoms, while using their military honors, I call them out!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 19 at 2021 10:09 PM

2021-06-19T22:09:44-04:00

Irony is after 20 years in the army, some civilians accuse me of being a fake veteran. I don't really care, but I do wish they would f@ck off and die. lol

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 19 at 2021 11:15 PM

2021-06-19T23:15:07-04:00

I want to know the Intent.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2021 4:36 PM

2021-06-23T16:36:26-04:00

I dressed up as superman growing up. Everyone has a hero some practice this even as a adult. Its okay. My momma always said be nice to people who are mentally challenged and understand.

Response by SPC Dustin Hall made Jun 30 at 2021 3:12 PM

2021-06-30T15:12:31-04:00

In reality, I have nothing to prove to anyone. I know what I have done, and worked for. In this day and age everyone wants to know everyone's business. As a few of the comments have said, I rather not ask 10 SV people, than accuse a Veteran that has legitimate claim. While it is a huge discredit for people to wear something they never earned, it is extremely disrespectful to ask the worthy to prove something they earned with blood, sweat and tears.

Response by Ralph Howard made Jun 30 at 2021 9:39 PM

2021-06-30T21:39:51-04:00

Abe Lincoln pointed out that the real heroes consecrated fields (and I include flags,uniforms,medals) far past the point where they can be added to or detracted from...
The pretenders are pathetic enough...I'd walk away.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2021 9:50 PM

2021-07-02T21:50:09-04:00

It used to drive me just absolute bonkers when I would see a post, or read a story about it. I'm in my early fifties now, and I have better things to do with my time, and my efforts than to go looking for some jackwagon who's wearing a badge that he didn't earn. Now will I call someone out if I see it? yeah I will, but I'm not one of these people who dedicates their life to exposing the homeless guy who just happens to be wearing a pair of faded out ACUs. In layman's terms, I don't go looking for them, if they just happen to present themself in front of me though, yeah I'm calling them out.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jul 3 at 2021 5:37 PM

2021-07-03T17:37:48-04:00

Response by SSG Mick Rolling made Jul 9 at 2021 12:37 AM

2021-07-09T00:37:12-04:00

I've met more guys who claim SF and Sniper then I have meet Truck Drivers and Cooks. I just blow them off now. All my 10 years active get me the same $5.00 cup of coffee as they get.

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Jul 13 at 2021 3:41 PM

2021-07-13T15:41:06-04:00

My father did not look like a decorated veteran of Korea. I am not sure I look like people's image of a US Navy sailor. I sometimes wear a USN tee-shirt, but do not go overboard. I am a regular at our VAMC. I look at some of my fellow vets and feel, wow, these guys and ladies were our first line of defense. Age is not nice to bodies. But I will never to challenge someone unless they are wearing multiple BS medals with an E-4 uniform or O-2 uniform. And I will do it nicely.

Response by FN Jesse Roberson made Jul 13 at 2021 6:08 PM

2021-07-13T18:08:16-04:00

If you are not asking me for a job a loan or charity then your service or lack thereof is none of my damn business. What does a rack really mean anyway? A lot of participation trophies for the most part. Everyone that ever enlisted knows at least half the people you served with were shit-bags for one reason or another. Let it go ladies.

Response by Sgt Glenn Raney made Jul 14 at 2021 8:50 AM

2021-07-14T08:50:20-04:00

As far as I'm concerned, it's none of their F*ckin' business.

Response by Sgt Glenn Raney made Jul 14 at 2021 8:51 AM

2021-07-14T08:51:52-04:00

As far as I'm concerned, it's none of their F*CKIN' business.

Response by Sgt Larry Dillon made Jul 14 at 2021 11:26 AM

2021-07-14T11:26:50-04:00

Phonies don't get money for awards and badges they wear. No one has the right to challenge anyone.

Response by PV2 Ross Bryan made Jul 14 at 2021 12:22 PM

2021-07-14T12:22:09-04:00

IN MY PARTICULAR CASE I WAS NEVER GIVEN A POCKET SIZE CARD TO CARRY!
AS I WAS AN RESERVIST WITH LESS THAN
A FULL 6 MONTHS SERVICE I AM NOT ELGIBLE FOR VA BENEFITS , HENCE NO VA CARD!
ALL I HAVE IS MY DD 214 FOR WHEN I FINISHED MT ACTIVE DUTY AT FT SHERIDAN ILLINOIS!
I DID MANAGE TO WEASLE OUT OF A NAM VACATION WITH A MEDICAL DISCHARGE!
HOWEVER I NEVER RECEIVED ANY FURTHER
VERIFIABLE INFORMATION CARD OTHER THAN MY BELOVED 4-F DRAFT CARD!
EVENTUALLY IT WORE OUT, BEING PRINTED ON A CHEAP CARDBOARD STOCK!!
TECHNICALLY SOME ONE COULD COMPLAIN THA ANYONE COULD COMPUTER PRINT A FAKE DD-214 BUT I COULD CARE LESS!!

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Jul 14 at 2021 6:38 PM

2021-07-14T18:38:12-04:00

Several people have already expressed my feelings on the matter, but let me make it personal.
Growing up, my best friend and I were both very Gung Ho and we just knew we were slated for military service. He went Army and I went Marine Corps. We both served in ‘Nam at roughly the same time.
After we both left the service, we got together for a few drinks. The topic of folks who took off to Canada to avoid service came up.
My friend went full ballistic and would likely have drawn quartered them.
My take was that we didn’t need people like that in the service. They would betray your trust in a heartbeat to spare themselves.
I said to my friend: the difference between us is that you’d be OK with punishing someone who truly believed the war was wrong.
I believe that you could line up 10 such people and each would tell a story that would be very convincing about their views on the war - but only one would be telling the truth.
You would punish that one guy to get at the other 9. I would send all of them on their way because I would not punish the one guy by punishing them all.

Response by SPC Daniel Alexander made Jul 15 at 2021 5:46 AM

2021-07-15T05:46:05-04:00

What benefits are they getting? A thank you for service? Most of us don't want that anyway. Possibly some 10% discount? I prefer to mind my own business and leave people live their own lives. This new culture of policing other peoples lives is disturbing.

Response by LCDR Bruce Cooley made Jul 15 at 2021 11:48 AM

2021-07-15T11:48:45-04:00

I don't really, until there is an attempt to use that "Stolen Valor" to commit fraud.....or like PO2 Erickson stated " ..gain public spotlight (and I mean PUBLIC, which is not the same as "being in public" [a la Brian Williams]) or if you are out and out lying about your service to gain financial reward..."

Response by Sgt Jesse Sheppard made Jul 16 at 2021 6:20 AM

2021-07-16T06:20:39-04:00

When I first got out of the military, I felt like screaming at any civilian even wearing camouflage prints. Now, I am more apathetic towards the situation.

When I was active duty, I would call people out when I saw someone with a bad shave or IPs in the uniform. That's necessary because you don't want your unit looking like dirt bags. When you leave the service, you can't hold civilians to those same standards. I just feel sorry that people feel the need to wear my uniform to make others impressed, or get free handouts.

Given the history of the uniform, it makes sense that veterans are upset when a non-veteran wears their uniform. However, wearing a uniform is just that - wearing an article of clothing. It doesn't take much effort beyond understanding how to properly wear the uniform. Our uniform doesn't define us. Our attitude, respect, and willpower is what defines us - and that's not something you can fake.

Response by SFC Bobby Berry made Jul 17 at 2021 8:33 AM

2021-07-17T08:33:45-04:00

It’s definitely a tough position to be in when you see something questionable on a supposed veteran’s uniform or civilian attire but, we still have to conduct ourselves professionally in our quest to confirm or correct. We are taught to exercise tact as a basic communication practice when dealing with delicate issues such as this. I view it extremely unprofessional to drill and embarrass our fellow citizens and veterans in this way. Integrating confirming questions into a respectful and nonaggressive conversation might help. If it is determined to be a legitimate case of stolen valor then pull that individual aside and educate them (on the spot correction). It is not our aim to embarrass and humiliate. Furthermore we have no idea if where dealing with mental illness. Consider the capacity and intent of the person in question and be a silent professional. This has always been my most effective strategy.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2021 11:44 AM

2021-07-17T11:44:39-04:00

I was on active duty for 11 years, have been in the reserves for another 2.

Quite frankly, I couldn’t care less if someone is committing “stolen valor”. So what if they’re fooling some naive civilian? It has no real measurable impact on me.

So maybe they get some “thank you”s from civilians? Maybe they get some discounts from stores? Who cares? They’re not fooling the government, so they’re not getting government benefits meant for veterans.

Some of these stolen valor people are mentally unwell, and for those that are, that’s not their fault. For the rest, they’re just idiots. They know they’re an idiot, I know they’re an idiot, life moves on. There’s no benefit from me expending energy and effort to confront them.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jul 18 at 2021 1:13 PM

2021-07-18T13:13:04-04:00

I'm not impressed by any person involved in stolen valor,although the idea of joining a select organization called veterans is understandable.Everyone wants to be somebody special.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2021 11:13 PM

2021-07-18T23:13:51-04:00

It’s not that I don’t care about it but at the same time there are allot of folks out there with serious mental health issues who live in their own strange fantasy worlds and it’s difficult to confront let alone have a normal conversation with those folks (I’ve met a couple). Unless they’re falsifying documents to scam the government I think sometimes it’s best to leave those folks alone or maybe notify social services. I’ve met some young guys at parties pretending to be in the service to meet girls and in that case, while utterly detestable, I just walked away. They said they were marines and I was with a former marine but he was too drunk to ask any coherent questions just started shouting sender fi lol

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jul 18 at 2021 11:28 PM

2021-07-18T23:28:00-04:00

Most of the time you can tell if a person served or not just by talking to them. I get asked questions about my military service where I currently work. I always ensure I tell the truth about what I've done. For example, my coworkers have asked me If I've been to Afghanistan, I would tell them no, but I served with those who have. Trust me, where I work at, word gets around and if a lie was told, it would be discovered. That's the problem with those who tell lies about their military service(if they even served at all). They don't keep their facts straight.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2021 3:58 PM

2021-07-19T15:58:39-04:00

I have to agree with the good LTC. If it is someone in the Civilian sector, most of the time you can tell in about 5 seconds if they are full of crap. I ignore them, and let them be. By calling them out, we only provide them with the attention they want. I have had dozens of retirees or former service members approach me to spin a yarn, and that's how I see it. Almost none of those I spoke with claimed to be a cook or an admin NCO. Almost every one of them were somehow tied to the SOCOM community. The thing is that all of us who have been in the military for a minute can discern between the real deal and a fraud. I would just assume let them live in their world of delusion. That way my blood pressure stays in check, and I don't end up looking like a thin skinned knucklehead who is hyper -aware on everyone else and their business. Now, when it comes to current service-members, I have an obligation to address it. As a senior NCO, I have only questioned awards twice in 34 years, and I only confronted one of them after conducting extensive research on them. The last thing I want to do is wrongly confront someone worthy of the awards and decorations they earned.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Jul 19 at 2021 4:54 PM

2021-07-19T16:54:21-04:00

I was approached several times by other veterans who think that it is their God given right to monitor all the awards that were issued by the military. I just laugh and my response is this. "Prove to me that I am not a Veteran." In my 29 years in the Army I have seen many, what we used to call PX soldiers. My C.O. in Germany gave us the best laugh. We were in formation and one squad leader had a silver star, a bronze star, a purple heart with a silver oak leaf and one bronze and several other awards. The C.O. was a Captain with only the National Defense Service Ribbon. We were in dress greens with garrison caps, and he walked up to the squad leader and straightened out his cap and the said. "There, now you look like a soldier." We were all laughing so hard, he put the entire company in the front leaning rest. How does this apply to the above. Well each and every soldier who has earned his awards has the right to wear them, and in a lot of cases the ones that questions those awards are hae worn awards they are not entitled to wear. Something like that will never end, so it is up to each and every veteran and soldier out there to police himself and not others.

Response by PO2 Christopher Hurlbut made Jul 20 at 2021 4:10 AM

2021-07-20T04:10:30-04:00

I don't give a damn because it has zero effect on my day to day life.

Response by SSG William Lovins made Jul 20 at 2021 10:59 AM

2021-07-20T10:59:21-04:00

I only care when impostors do it to defraud the government. I’m not even talking about the 92G that thought he was a seal and tells stories. I’m talking about the straight up “I’m posing as military in order to defraud a benefit system and never served ever” types. Veterans tripping out on people they don’t even know. While in public around civilians just makes our demographic look like white trash

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2021 2:27 PM

2021-07-20T14:27:53-04:00

As far as It goes it really only bothers me if they use it for there own gains and yes it does bother me otherwise but I'm not gonna go around questioning everyone about it how ever if I ask you what your job was for the military like our mos in the army and you give me a that's classified or you would have never heard of it I'm gonna start questioning

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Jul 21 at 2021 11:24 AM

2021-07-21T11:24:13-04:00

Hey, where'd you get my picture? I earned everyone of those medals. How about the veteran that's being demanded to show proof, ask the same thing of the guy that's demanding. I think before you demand proof, be ready to show proof. It's kind of the same thing, I'd never have asked one of my squad members to do something I wasn't prepared to do myself. That's why I had the best damned squad in the Army.

Response by Frank Garnick made Jul 21 at 2021 12:43 PM

2021-07-21T12:43:05-04:00

My dream my entire childhood was to spend the first 20 years of adulthood serving my country. Enlisted at 17. Took the physical, took the Oath. MEPS Dr failed me due to a catastrophic burn injury suffered in high school. Two days later I returned to the Philadelphia MEPS station to see a specialist who said I was just fine. MEPS Dr overruled him. My congressman tried to intervene but the Dept of the Navy permanently disqualified me.

I was devastated. I was bitter for many years. God is good though. I was able to serve as a civilian employee of the Navy for five years. High risk job in main steam valves (1500#) working on the ships. I got to go to sea. I can't have a flag on my casket when I die but I grew out of the bitterness and am thankful I was able to serve in the greatest capacity possible for me. I did all I could.

That being said, I wear hats for ships that I worked on. I earned them. I also have a ball cap for the 82nd Airborne, given to me as a gift by an old Paratrooper. I won't wear that though. Even though I've been told by active duty, CIB wearing, 11Bs that I should. I still won't because it gives the impression that I'M an old Paratrooper, which I am not. I'm often thanked for my service and I always correct the people in a considerate way because their gratitude towards real Veterans should be encouraged. I explain why I wear them. I always turn down Veteran discounts. I have been bought drinks where I tried to politely decline but each time the person still wanted to AFTER my explanation.

Response by SP5 Thomas Shaw made Jul 21 at 2021 4:03 PM

2021-07-21T16:03:54-04:00

I am 77. I have never worn anything other than what was earned. If ya approach me and ask for papers be sure to cover your teeth. and that's all I have to say about that.

Response by SFC Stacy Harris made Jul 22 at 2021 8:34 PM

2021-07-22T20:34:08-04:00

simple: valor can’t be stolen. it is something one shows or something recognized. some poser on the street wearing a medal takes nothing away from the medal or anyone that wears the medal (or whatever).

on that note, giving a Bronze Star as a participation trophy to staff that never leaves the wire over a 20 year period lessens an award more than “stolen valor” IMHO.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Jul 23 at 2021 2:16 AM

2021-07-23T02:16:46-04:00

I was asked to prove my service for a decade by the VA, which claimed to be only able to verify my first three years of active duty service. Later, my service records were made available to the VA. However, I was never harassed by anyone.

It is not cool to harass anyone about their service to their Country, especially senior citizens who served honorably through three wars or two and earned gallantry awards for their actions...it hurts.

Put yourselves in the shoes of others who you question; would you like to be questioned about your own service to your Country in such a manner? Doubtful.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 23 at 2021 12:36 PM

2021-07-23T12:36:33-04:00

It isn't bad enough getting a Bronze Star for Perfect Attendance, but you didn't even earn it. I pass on the entire thing

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jul 23 at 2021 5:00 PM

2021-07-23T17:00:28-04:00

There are two sides to this story, as with anything. On one side, we have the fakers who want to take advantage of the system. On the other side are people who want to make accusations without regard to the truth.

The fakers diminish us all. They want to claim the benefits implied by what they wear without having had put in the work. This casts a bad light on the rest of us who earned these things honestly.

On the other hand, many want to cast baseless accusations in a way that gives themselves power over the person they are accusing. That also casts a bad light on all of us.

Those of us who have earned what we are authorized to wear do have a right to question those who seem to wear things that they have not earned. But we need to set an example. My recommendation is to politely inquire duty, MOS, unit, etc. For those of us who served honorably, we are always happy to answer polite and courteous inquiries. Most egregious violators will be discovered that way. More, this sets the standard for starting to determine if there is any Stolen Valor.

To answer the question posed, however, sometimes I am amuse to see a train wreck in the process of happening. If somebody has stolen valor then that person's reckoning is almost inevitable. The system is primed, these days, from allowing anything of significant value (such as a retirement annuity or a disability paycheck) to be given to anybody who has not earned it. As for decorations, from time to time the crazies do actually latch onto some a$$hole who desperately need it. That can be fun to watch.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Jul 23 at 2021 8:21 PM

2021-07-23T20:21:57-04:00

i DO care about stolen valor, but generally I trust most of those who wear the Veterans caps or other service-related apparel to be truthfully representing themselves. If I have reason to suspect they may not be genuine veterans I may challenge them but usually learn more from observing them. Most true veterans, including those who are highly decorated, are fairly modest in how they act.

Response by SGT Jacob McInnes made Jul 25 at 2021 9:50 AM

2021-07-25T09:50:13-04:00

If I’m being honest I’m not a fan of the direction the culture of “bro vets” has gone. Most of these guys may have some awards, the meaning of which has been watered down by giving them to every Tom Dick and Harry that has existed near a mortar, or has been to Kuwait. Service is service but stop acting like everyone owes you something it’s unbecoming and it makes you look either stupid or complacent.

Makes me hesitant to wear clothing with flags or veteran anything on it. It’s not because of stolen valor or being accused of it. It’s because I don’t want to be associated with those pointing the fingers.

That’s why I don’t care. You want to dress up like a douchebag to argue with other douchebags, go ahead. We are pulling out of Afghanistan and people are dieing and are going to die, but keep arguing about your badges and patches. Because that’s what’s important.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Jul 29 at 2021 8:45 AM

2021-07-29T08:45:37-04:00

Many of them have mental issues. I can spot that in a heartbeat with a couple of simple questions. The others are just plain stupid. If they are receiving unearned bennies then that changes my whole attitude and I just might figure out who they are and report it.

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Aug 8 at 2021 4:21 PM

2021-08-08T16:21:01-04:00

here's how i do it.
thank you for your service.
what unit were you with?
where were you stationed?
then you should figure out if this person is real.
as a history buff i would have more questions.
true story.
30 years ago, while in a Safeway market a scraggly haired grocery bagger was waring the navy seal trident. i asked him where he got it. he said his girlfriend gave it to him. i informed him as to its importance . he said "so". i mentioned to him if he does not remove the navy seal trident i would secure the trident and place it where the sun don't shine. problem solved.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Aug 21 at 2021 1:48 PM

2021-08-21T13:48:49-04:00

I wear a number of different ball caps, one of them is a USS INDEPENDENCE CV62, hat I like because it's made in USA and fits good. I get a few "thanks for your service" comments and so on, occasionally some one will ask if I was in the Navy or mention they were on whatever ship and ask what division. On the rare occasion I get attitude l just throw it back and ask the same thing. I had one in particular who couldn't remember what Squadron he was in or what his rateing was after question me about it but that's pretty rare. The ones that crack me up are the I was a "Navy Seals" or "LRRP" guys. I must have met a million of those assholes lol.

Response by PO3 David Keck made Aug 22 at 2021 12:54 PM

2021-08-22T12:54:31-04:00

I live in a small community and a couple years back we had a number of young men hanging out at a local shopping center holding up signs saying homeless ver and asking for help. Our local American Legion post decided to reach out to these young vets with offers of assistance in a variety of ways. Probably no on here will be surprised at this but not a one wanted help, just cash. It became pretty obvious that this group had discovered a lucrative spot to panhandle and didn't want a group of old men messing up their hustle. I doubt there was a single vet among them, but it illustrates the problem these clowns can cause when people get burned and after that are reluctant to help the real ones needing help.

Response by SP5 Skip Saurman made Aug 22 at 2021 4:31 PM

2021-08-22T16:31:41-04:00

I agree with all of you, but it sure brings back an expression we had in Vietnam, "It don't mean nuthin'". In reality, whatever it was really did mean a whole lot, but in utter frustration, "It don't mean nuthin'"!

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Aug 23 at 2021 7:08 AM

2021-08-23T07:08:11-04:00

I do about Stolen valor. I believe it that takes away what we had the balls to do. Not a big fan of getting “ thanks for service” from people. You can easily ask the right questions and call BS on them. My one cent.

Response by SP5 Skip Saurman made Aug 23 at 2021 5:19 PM

2021-08-23T17:19:21-04:00

I totally agree with what just about everybody is saying about this topic. But to me, it quickly brings back an old saying we used in Vietnam . . . "It don't mean nuthin'" . . . not that it didn't, in fact it oftentimes meant a whole lot, but the phrase was used entirely in frustration and desperation. The same goes for the Afgan situation, too.

IT DON'T MEAN NUTHIN'

Response by 1LT John Neil Jednoralski made Aug 24 at 2021 3:49 PM

2021-08-24T15:49:18-04:00

The last day at the 36th Engr Bn (Const), Vinh Long, South Vietnam, Mekong Delta, the Bn Adj CPT Mike Marshall presented me to medals; a Bronze Star for Service and an Army Commendation Medal, per recommendations of the Commanding General Engineer Command Vietnam. The Bn Adj said orders to follow
My orders to leave the 36th Engr Bn had me going to Ft Dix, but when I arrived at Oakland Army Depot, my orders were charged to early release from active duty.
I have never been able to find the orders, which I assume went to Ft Dix.
I was the Bn Asst S-3 (Bn Civil Engr) and Reaction Force Commander (Mustang 6) The year I was with the 36th Engr Bn (Const), the 36th Engr Bn (Const) was designed Distinguished Unit. Probably in part due to my work in the S-3 Section as, OIC Surveyors, OIC Soils Lab and OIC Quality Control. I spend to full tour in Vietnam in the S-3 Section, on request of the 2nd Bn Co
My efficiency rating by the 2nd Bn Co said this is a young engineer officer, who does his work quietly and efficiently, should receive early promotion and assignment to Command and Staff School. He should be encouraged to stay in the military. I did not see this efficiency rating until about 4 - 5 years ago.
I am the opposite of Stolen Valor. I was presented the awards but orders got lost

Response by SFC Isaac Reyes made Aug 24 at 2021 6:58 PM

2021-08-24T18:58:25-04:00

Last year at my daughters wedding I wore my class "A"s from 1977 the green service uniform, all of you old troops know what I am talking about. I retired in 1998 as a SFC, I checked with this National Guard's SGM and he checked for me and said there was no problem, well I was outside smoking and this little snot came out of nowhere and Take that uniform off ,I asked him for what, This litte snot tells me that I have not earned the right to wear it. I asked him how did he know, this little fool told me the "he just got out of basic at Ft. Sill. He was going to artillery school to be a 13F. Well guess what mos that I retired from 1977-1998 I mentioned this to the little boy and he said that he could find that uniform at the thrift store.. Y''all know ol PLT Sargent had gotten tired of jr. When I put the command voice out there he locked heels quick I gave that child a first class a** chewing. That boy didn't even have any mosquito wings on just a plan slick sleeve. That boy went " yes sgt,yes sgt all down the way he came from. Gave me a good chuckle.

Response by MAJ Craig Gilkison made Aug 26 at 2021 11:37 AM

2021-08-26T11:37:52-04:00

I'm not being accusatory but there's something suspicious about the guy in the photo. He does have the good taste to display a 7th Trans patch prominently tho. I agree with LTC Michael- following. It would not be a good idea to get in my face demand anything.

Response by HN Chris Robinette made Aug 26 at 2021 3:32 PM

2021-08-26T15:32:21-04:00

Some one who is calling everyone who disagrees with the governmental policies that is destroying America and then labeling them domestic terrorists. Where will the new WOKE dirversifed, transgendered military stand when orders are given to kill innocent Americans?

Response by PVT Jimmy Grayum made Aug 26 at 2021 4:01 PM

2021-08-26T16:01:50-04:00

I think it's funny rally point doing this story. Cause they made me mad for asking about my service. I was contacted about my profile and really pissed me off. So I would say integrity was upsetting me. Even now they still want me to verify my service. I joined up thinking I would find fellow Comrade's. Not being accused of falsely start acct.

Response by SSG Oscar Medina made Aug 27 at 2021 11:30 AM

2021-08-27T11:30:43-04:00

I just look at them and do nothing because anyone can buy them online but really counts is are you getting the benefits that come with it or just ppl say wow
Who cares just worry about yourself and your valor

Response by PO3 Lily Robertson made Aug 27 at 2021 11:31 AM

2021-08-27T11:31:19-04:00

I think, in general, it's BS to confront someone and demand their papers if you aren't a damn VA service facility. However, those idjits sporting cammo and wagging their thunderous bellies around after slobbering all over their ammo in their mom's basement before going out to spout insurrection crap at a rally deserve to have their credentials checked. It's all situational.

Response by MSgt James Slawson made Aug 27 at 2021 12:21 PM

2021-08-27T12:21:47-04:00

I have better things to worry about than someone trying to be me. Veteran’s know their fellow soldiers even if they were in a different branch. We all carry ourselves in a different way and can tell who the real vets are.

Response by SGT Drew Clifton made Aug 28 at 2021 5:26 AM

2021-08-28T05:26:29-04:00

Well first off there is a huge difference between that dude in the photo with all the medals and someone who is trying to pose as a soldier, a higher rank etc. I could care less about crazy people or homeless people wearing military stuff of any kind. They have issues and me confronting them isn't going to make them any less out of their mind. Leave these people alone.

The real issue Is the people who go around in military uniforms to get special treatment, discounts, girls etc. And those who are in the military but pose as a higher rank, wear ranger and special forces tabs or wear dress uniforms with ribbons they didn't earn. Both these groups of people really piss me off but I don't go around searching for this. The non service members that do this are pricks but I'm not the morals police and I'll let karma handle that. The only time I'll confront people is if they are a service member and are faking their rank or achievements. I only had to do this once. This guy from another unit always came over this girl's house I used to hang out with as we had parties a lot. He appeared to be an E5. He was only 21 but he has a red beret, EIB, airborne and air assault badges and a special forces and ranger tabs. I did some looking into it and found out he was an E4 who shouldn't be wearing any of that stuff. I told him I would give 1 opportunity to take that stuff off and I wouldn't report him to his chain but if I ever saw him or even heard about him wearing that stuff I would go straight to him BN CDR. I also made him tell those girls and everyone there the truth. He obviously stopped coming around but I saw him around post from time to time and he was always in the right uniform.

Response by SPC Terence Q Burns made Aug 29 at 2021 9:40 AM

2021-08-29T09:40:39-04:00

I care! I'm starting a veteran's only business. I've ran over 45,000 background checks. Out of those 45,000 checks, 35,000 wasn't and never served in any military campaign or capacity.

Why lie about serving when everyone who has served, their name's are listed in our DoD profile as signing that "Blank" check!

Today's stolen valor is based on a cowardly level of wanting and wishing they could have been one of us. Plenty stolen valor post veteran's has never served more than 180 day's , never finished basic training and got out on a full medical discharge with 100% disability and living a lie. This is the epitome of the Stolen Valor attitude.

I read where someone said that our VA cards can be remade. Not true! Our VA Cards comes with a Federal Chip and a live strip. Anyone who has a card made outside of any VAMC won't have that chip and it will be duller. I still wear my dogtags every day.

Another thing our organization has been doing is reporting these people who claim the same. It's a Federal Crime and it carries a 30yr sentence. DoD profiles never lie. Report them!

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Aug 29 at 2021 11:27 AM

2021-08-29T11:27:39-04:00

If they are receiving benefits because they are stealing valor. That is wrong. It is responsibility of the organization that is providing the benefit to verify the validity of the veteran. I don't care for cheats and liars, but it is not my duty or responsibility to call them out. When I purchased my last automobile with a veterans discount I provided proof of my service by showing my DD214 and retiree ID card. I had no problem in doing that. All I can say is "God help the fool that tries to imply I am stealing valor".

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made Aug 29 at 2021 5:00 PM

2021-08-29T17:00:26-04:00

If you know someone is a wan-a-be, definitely call them out. If they are receiving benefits intended for Veterans than the legal system must hold them accountable. It’s not worth the problem it might cause you. After all the one that is stealing does not care what someone says to them.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 29 at 2021 5:59 PM

2021-08-29T17:59:18-04:00

Sorry to often I have been challenged twice! I'm 72 . First one I looked him in the eyes and and stared. The young manlasted 10 sec and walked away. #2 challanged. I simply stated if you have walked the walk you do not need to prove it. Only if you talk the talk do you have to prove! Again the stare again 10 sec. I need not prove anything to anyone. I spent my time in hell with some of the best America had to offer. Some made it some did not. I never forget, America should never forget!

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Aug 29 at 2021 6:48 PM

2021-08-29T18:48:11-04:00

Can't respond since I do care!

Response by SPC George Edwards made Aug 29 at 2021 8:47 PM

2021-08-29T20:47:02-04:00

I'm not in the business of exposing anyone. That is something that they have to live with and I really do believe in Karma.

Response by CPL John Sutor made Aug 31 at 2021 4:36 PM

2021-08-31T16:36:26-04:00

Like Shakespeare said.
Those that lye abed in England on this night will hold their manhood cheap as we speak of this day.

Response by SPC Cathy Goessman made Sep 1 at 2021 9:01 AM

2021-09-01T09:01:26-04:00

I seem to have one of those wonderful blow hards every time I go up to Alaska. They are amusing as hell. Especially when they realize that as a veteran who deployed(no combat) I see straight through their crap. This year it was a DOD guy who talked about all these black ops missions that he'd been on. On a fish processing ship. We all wondered why he was gutting fish with us if he was really that high speed. LOL

Getting benefits or going public with it is different though. Those people need to be investigated and stripped of whatever they got from their claims.

Response by SrA Shawn Wood made Sep 1 at 2021 4:54 PM

2021-09-01T16:54:34-04:00

Kick him in the dick. Then say “I just wanted to beat the best, bitch!”

Response by CPO Rob Carleen made Sep 1 at 2021 6:54 PM

2021-09-01T18:54:27-04:00

I volunteer several days a week at my church maintaining the grounds. It’s right across the street from both city hall and the county courthouse, downtown. We get a lot of homeless folks, either passing through the churchyard, or relaxing in the shade in the garden. I’m approached by many of them, a few looking for a handout, but most just want to talk. Most of the guys tend to claim to be spec force vets. Their stories seldom ring true, but I just listen and nod my head while telling them where and when help, including the local VA is available. Not for me to judge, many probably were vets and just want to embellish their ‘’resume’’. They have enough problems as it is.

Response by SGT Al Dec made Sep 19 at 2021 4:01 AM

2021-09-19T04:01:15-04:00

I believe there are two types of people that would engage in stolen valor. One would be an individual that suffers from some sort of a mental defect that is seeking to fill a desire to be a part of the family that they could otherwise never have qualified for on their own. These people should have our pity not our scorn. The other is the individual that seeks personal gain of some sort. These people deserve our scorn and a hefty fine payable to the Veterans Administration.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 22 at 2021 1:22 PM

2021-09-22T13:22:13-04:00

There is a poster on this site who accused me of stolen valor. It's amazing how some people know me better than I do.

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Sep 26 at 2021 12:42 PM

2021-09-26T12:42:27-04:00

There are approximately 850,00 living Vietnam vets today of the 2.7 million that served but there are still 9 -12 million posers in this country today. This will probably go on till the last Viet vet dies. I care because they have taken and cheapened our sacrifice for their own so called glory.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Oct 22 at 2021 4:15 PM

2021-10-22T16:15:17-04:00

We had an A1C going PCS from Kadena stateside try to board an aircraft in his dress uniform with senior pilot wings on his uniform. Because the unit he was leaving had an airborne mission, which he was NOT a part of, he thought it was okay to wear wings not knowing that there were different wings for pilots, navigators, and enlisted aircrew. Basically, he wanted to be able to go home with some impressive medal on his chest and tell some there I was stories. He missed his flight by a day or two.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Oct 28 at 2021 5:57 PM

2021-10-28T17:57:52-04:00

I dont know how anyone else feels, but the photo above is an insult, plain and simple. Taking credit for someone else's sacrifice is repulsive, but dragging a real veteran through the mud is beyond wrong.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2021 3:51 AM

2021-11-06T03:51:20-04:00

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2021 12:07 PM

2021-11-11T12:07:02-05:00

I served 27 years, been there and did that, came back in one piece, never did anything 'heroic' and never had too. Neither did anyone I was with though to hear some of them tell it.... Unless the otherwise useless individual is committing actual fraud ie., Getting money, Benefits or pandering Votes what does it really matter? I just think how bad it must suck to wake up as THEM everyday.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Nov 19 at 2021 1:46 PM

2021-11-19T13:46:38-05:00

Well I guess just rip off their head and shit in their neck.

Response by Eric Lund made Nov 27 at 2021 3:32 PM

2021-11-27T15:32:23-05:00

Here's the reason I don't care. Some people out there think it's there job to be the valor police and want you to carry a copy of your DD214 with you for the rest of your life as if it's your jew papers and these Nazis need to check you. Second the moment you get out of the military you are no longer bound by the uniform code and civilians were never bound by it so all of the above should be able to rock a pair of old bdus or acus without the valor police pulling a felony stop on you. Now if you are trying to get a discount or free service for military service and you aren't or weren't military in then that's a crime and we have real police for that.

Next you have old Vietnam vets still around that got a shit deal coming home now you have people running around publicly embarrassing them in Walmart because they don't have their discharge papers on them saying that their time in that hell hole never happened and calling them liars. Dealing with the fake is worth giving proper respect and dignity to those in service an whom have served.

Response by CPO Rob Carleen made Dec 3 at 2021 11:50 AM

2021-12-03T11:50:55-05:00

With all the really serious things happening in our country, for the most part it’s of little consequence. There are exceptions. I work as a volunteer at my church during the week in an area of dowown

Response by SR Anton J made Dec 5 at 2021 10:04 AM

2021-12-05T10:04:26-05:00

I never served in the military but am an auxiliary member of my VFW post and have been for over 20 years. During that time I have served as a trustee, filled in as quartermaster and even commander, they also asked me to join their Honor Guard and do funerals and other ceremonies like on Memorial day and Veterans day. They asked me, I questioned the fact that I never served but none of the 250 members cared, said they needed me to help them so I helped them.
As a rifleman in the Honor Guard the members wear the uniforms of their military branch, we had an AF, an Army and a Marine who still had his original 1943 WW2 uniform and still fits into it but no Navy so they bought me a Navy uniform chief petty 1st class rank.
I was very hesitant but they all convinced me I would be doing them a big favor so I did. However, I never wear the uniform or tell anyone I served, when the local news does a story on the Honor Guard and wants to interview me I always point them to the WW 2 marine instead, his story is much more interesting....
I do not receive benefits or nor would I ever, I do volunteer to help the wounded warrior project when they come to town, I have stood watch when the VFW got the traveling Vietnam wall, I have helped them with their poppy drive every year for 20 years standing outside Kroger and Wal-mart for donations.
I never brag that I was in the service because I was not but I do not tell anyone I never served while I am in my VFW navy uniform either because people do get the wrong idea.
I do not nor do my veteran friends think this is stolen valor because I am not profiting from it I am only helping veterans and the VFW post.
At first I felt guilty but my Veteran friends help me get over that guilt, even our AF chaplain takes me to nursing homes with him to visit veterans there and the way their eyes light up when we walk in dressed in our uniforms is very touching, I am not ashamed of my 20 years of wearing a military uniform when l did not serve but I do not take any liberties or get any advantages, I only give them to other Vets.....

Response by HN Kathleen M Peck made Dec 5 at 2021 1:31 PM

2021-12-05T13:31:24-05:00

I honestly don't know what to think about this topic (Stolen Valor). As a Vet myself, I've never been questioned about my service; I'm sure there are some who need to cause issues with Vets receiving benefits, wearing a hat, shirt etc, because these individuals have nothing better to do with their time! How about doing something positive, like smile and buy a coffee for a Vet?
Happy Holidays brothers & sisters!

Response by CWO4 John Powe made Dec 5 at 2021 6:12 PM

2021-12-05T18:12:00-05:00

In reference to photo above, I know they have a mental problem or are just looking for attention. Becoming involved and bringing attention to such a situation doesn't really fix anything.
In General confonting someone in public in a situation that you don't know, if the person served or not is not the right thing to do. Too many times veterns have been confronted and the person confronting them were wrong. Don't be the confronter, just move on.
If you have proof or suspect that they are using stolen valor to defraud someone or some ogranization then provide that info to the proper authorlties or the ones being defrauded, and let the proper autorties handle it. You really don't have a dog in the hunt, if you aren't the victim.
I don't think I owe anyone, except maybe a LEO, the proof I have served. IMHO.

Response by CPL Sean Browning made Dec 5 at 2021 6:20 PM

2021-12-05T18:20:48-05:00

As a combat veteran and a fourth generation I know that a lot of phony vets make it hard for real veterans to get service that they deserve . Growing upon a veteran and military and police home made appreciate and view the previous generations of veterans . My Grandfather was a Korean and Vietnam war veteran but he started in post WW2 Germany chasing Naszi . He used to tell me that you could tell veterans who really went through something because they never liked to talk about it. I was reminded this today when I heard the news that Bob Dole a senator and world war 2 war hero died at the age of 98
So to any young service member or veteran leave older veterans alone and Show respect . We never had be a tail Gunner in a B17 or survive Pearl Harbor Dday fight through non stop jungles . Though for us Afghanistan and Iraqi veterans had to deal with enemies of the shadows . What I am saying is that they show us respect so let's show them respect for we would have never been able to protect America today without those generations of veterans answering Thier call to arms

Response by SFC Michael Wilkins made Dec 8 at 2021 11:55 AM

2021-12-08T11:55:40-05:00

I don’t give out my info to anyone to prove I was in the military. If they don’t want to believe the truth that is to their debit. I would never do business with them.

Response by Sgt Ed Beal made Dec 9 at 2021 9:31 PM

2021-12-09T21:31:34-05:00

There is enough road blocks by the VA to have the public not having trouble with stolen valor, but to have some wet nose jerk challenge me makes me mad as hell especially when the idiot followed me back to my truck that has disabled veterans plates that were older than the idiot so I have a hard time with those that challenge without Evidence where was the punk when I was going through my first 5,10,15 surgeries

Response by SFC Michael Lindenbusch made Dec 11 at 2021 7:39 PM

2021-12-11T19:39:00-05:00

It strikes me that there are two different things being discussed here. One is those displaying patches/medals/badges they're not entitled to, the other (and quite distinct) is those claiming benefits they did not earn. The first can be shrugged off as just being a "poser" really just shows the person to be a "loser." The second must be addressed,but addressed through the appropriate authorities. It is, after all, at the most basic level a theft and should be treated as such.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Dec 13 at 2021 1:36 PM

2021-12-13T13:36:15-05:00

It's none of my business to question if a person has served in the military. I have seen videos of people screaming at older individuals who wear wearing service related items of clothing that they are fakers. I think that some of the people who have fits at what they think are fakers should take care of harassing others, you jut might cause a vet with PTSD to react violently.

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Dec 19 at 2021 4:49 PM

2021-12-19T16:49:41-05:00

I live close to a military base and have seen vets with mental problems wear things on a dress uniform top that would not pass a in ranks inspection. Some of them put everything they earned on their uniform such as a recondo and jungle expert patch on the same pocket or wear a CIB and a EIB at the same time. It's not that I don't care about stolen valor, it's so easy to accuse someone you don't know without knowing what a person been through.

Response by SPC Steve dePinet made Jan 12 at 2022 7:16 PM

2022-01-12T19:16:42-05:00

When I ETS'd, this was not even on anyone's radar. If you were dealing with the VA, then they had your paperwork, it never occurred to me that some guy in a Veterans Day Parade might not be a Vet. But, that's changed. Many stores offer Vet discounts, and even Vet Parking spots. In my mind, it's up to the store as to whether they want to verify Vet Status for the discount, I often forget to ask for it. And, if someone asked me about my use of a Vets/Acrive Duty Parking spot, I'd show them my Drivers License (Arizona puts it right on the DL, if you prove it (with a DD214) to the DMV). It's not a matter of "Rights", I'm proud to be a vet, and don't mind proving it in exchange for discounts or special parking. I never got a wallet sized DD214, so I never missed it, I got the legal sized one and that was good enough to get it on my DL, if someone tried to claim that my DL was fictitious, I'd laugh at them. OTOH, I'n never approach someone else using the Vet parking spot to "verify" their right to use it.

Response by CA Eugene Martindale made Jan 17 at 2022 11:07 PM

2022-01-17T23:07:26-05:00

I care, it's just those pussy's want to be military so bad and their life sucks so much, that they have to lie to kick it!!

Response by PO2 Paul Decker made Jan 19 at 2022 6:29 AM

2022-01-19T06:29:33-05:00

With the exception of fraud, i.e. getting goods VA benefits, most of them are just seeking attention. Generally, that's the opposite of vets. Most of the time you can tell who is the real deal pretty easily.

Response by 1LT Voyle Smith made Jan 19 at 2022 9:05 AM

2022-01-19T09:05:35-05:00

Who’s the creep in the photo? He’s obviously a phony.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 19 at 2022 9:47 AM

2022-01-19T09:47:14-05:00

I don;t have a problem with those who never served, but those cowards who claim to have served or did serve but claim that they were in combat are totally without honor and should be ostracised and called out for their lieing actions. I have ran into several of these phony assholes throughout my construction career and pointed out to them and others what phonies that they were.

Response by SPC John Williams made Jan 19 at 2022 9:57 AM

2022-01-19T09:57:17-05:00

I care a great deal about stolen valor. However, if it is in a setting where nothing is to be gained or lost I let it slide. I often have customers that claim they did such and such in the military. I know they are liars and just make a mental note of it. I did have an applicant claim on an application he had a Purple Heart. I knew he never served at all. He did not get the job. I don't want to become some kind of a Nazi and ask everyone for a copy of form 214.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2022 10:36 AM

2022-01-19T10:36:09-05:00

People who do this need to get a blanket party. Nothing but lowest of the low in my opinion. Even worse is that some of them are actual vets who apparently can't be proud of their service already

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jan 19 at 2022 3:48 PM

2022-01-19T15:48:24-05:00

So I thought I would share a recent "Stolen Valor" issue I had at my VA. I was at the VA sometime last year, 2021, around veteran's day. I was getting on the elevator and another with another vet. This was an older gentleman. He had a "Korean War Vet" hat on. This guy looked like he was about 70, the minimum age for a Korean War vet is about 86. So that was a flag for me. On the Front of his hat he had the Army Good Conduct Medal, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, and the National Defense Service Medal.

I have researched just about every award their is, the history, why it was created, and when it was issued, and I knew something about that hat was wrong. I came home and I looked these awards up. The National Defense Service Medal was created in 1950. It is awarded to anyone who serves on active duty during a specified time period. It was created specifically for those non theater vets in Korea, for those who served in country the Korean Service Medal was issued. However the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal was created in 1961. It was created for actions in support of NATO/UN/Foreign Government Operations. It was not retroactively awarded.

So how could he be a Korean War veteran, and have the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal?

Part of my research determined the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal was issued to personnel who were stationed in Korea from 1966 to 1974. The one detail i left out? On the back of said cap were the dates 1969-1975.

So this dumb ass thinks he is a Korean War vet, because so many vets say, "We are technically still at war with Korea because we never signed an Armistice." Which is wrong. We are not at war with Korea, the U.S. has not declared war since WWII. We were in Korea as part of the UN mission to support South Korea, who is still at war with North Korea. Hence the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal.

This dumb ass thinks he is a Korean War Veteran, when in fact he is a Vietnam Era Vet. Is what he doing hurting anyone? No. Is what he doing worth a fight over it? No. Is it worth it to make a scene and embarrass him in public, because I know the technicalities better than him? No.

This is why all you fucking PX rangers need to shut the fuck up about stolen valor.

I know the truth about awards and how they are issued, the politics around them. I have seen many soldiers passed over in favor of a kiss ass. If you are bitter you got passed over, well fuck you build a bridge and get over it; If you were awarded something and you know you did not deserve it, then fucking don't tell people about it, and don't wear it. Stop taking your insecurities about your service out on other people.

Response by PO1 Kevin Pledger made Jan 19 at 2022 4:16 PM

2022-01-19T16:16:01-05:00

I'll be honest, I don't care. I've done my service. I got hurt and got out. I have my awards available if anyone wants to look at them. I'll talk anyone's ear off about my service-connected disability and my (significant) problems with the VA if anyone asks. BUT, I don't shove my service down people's throats. I focus on what is my business. I have enough on my plate without worrying about other people's business.

As for the folks stealing valor, I wouldn't p*ss on them to put them out if they were on fire. They are not worth my time or my energy as I think their worth is about as much as those fake medals on their chests.

Now, you might say, you sure do seem to care if you think so low of them and I would say that's not true. I have an opinion, yes. "Caring" is an active verb though. In the case of these folks, it is energy I choose to expend elsewhere.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2022 5:50 PM

2022-01-19T17:50:02-05:00

As for people who wear badges and uniforms similar to the above picture, it appears to be more a fashion choice instead of an attempt at stolen valor.
I realize that veterans, particularly as we get older or those that experienced mental trauma or degradation, may not wear a uniform or awards properly. If I was to put my old class A's on, it wouldn't look pretty.
As for people committing or appearing to commit actual stolen valor, meaning wearing uniforms and trying to pass themselves off as military, it depends upon the circumstances as to whether I would say anything.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 19 at 2022 5:56 PM

2022-01-19T17:56:22-05:00

What about Sen Blumenthaw from Conneticcut. He had claimed to be a Vietnam vet and was proved to be lieing? Just goes to show that you can't trust democrats

Response by SSG Alfonso Porter made Jan 19 at 2022 7:39 PM

2022-01-19T19:39:17-05:00

I definitely care

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Jan 19 at 2022 7:39 PM

2022-01-19T19:39:27-05:00

A picture like that doesn't bother me in the least. Obviously this is a parody since it looks nothing like a real uniform

Response by Sgt Carl Bylin made Jan 19 at 2022 10:45 PM

2022-01-19T22:45:58-05:00

Yes i agree

Response by SSG Chuck Ezell made Jan 20 at 2022 9:46 AM

2022-01-20T09:46:06-05:00

I don't think it's not caring as much as it is you fighting the urge inside oneself not to address the issue. I work at a place that will fire you if you confront a shoplifter... As difficult as it is Not to do so, and it stinks to high Heaven... I just have to do some self control. It's the companies stuff and if they don't care than I have to accept it. My point is although it cheapens the award or medal in a veterans eyes it only affects the veterans usually. If you are in the civilian population, most of them Won't know what the Medal of Honor is from a Vietnam Service Medal. I hate Stolen Valor. I do think the modern hand me a trophy mentality military has cheapened the awards as well. But what I think and 5.00 will buy you a beer in some bars...

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2022 5:01 PM

2022-01-25T17:01:30-05:00

There is a retired Colonel living in Annapolis, MD who plagiarized my flight log and awarded himself 3 of the 6 Air Medals and the Army Aviation Badge (Crew Wings) I earned operating Sniffer Missions in 1970 while serving with the 1st Air Cavalry. I found this out in 2006 and pressured him into forwarding a request to the Army Board of Correction of Military Records, although he lied on that as well, absolving himself of any culpability. The bureaucratic response I received was the final straw. I had spent enough time grinding my teeth in anger after learning of his deception. I elected to drop the subject. Anyone who would spend 12 more years in uniform wearing another man’s awards has no honor nor integrity and has earned my contempt.

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Feb 6 at 2022 2:09 PM

2022-02-06T14:09:39-05:00

I have seen a few but never questioned them because it was a mental issue. I felt with a lot of people with a range of mental issues as a Police Officer in my day. The are mostly harmless other than the ones attempting to gain favor. In most case with those types it’s not worth causing a public scene.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2022 5:52 PM

2022-02-14T17:52:58-05:00

It's funny it's happen in the US now. Where ur papers oh u can't enter.

Response by Cpl Alex Moore made Feb 15 at 2022 1:56 PM

2022-02-15T13:56:08-05:00

There is a fine line with this. Yes, we should care. Stolen Valor de-values all of our service. With that being said, unless someone is really benefitting from Stolen Valor (i.e. money, acknowledgement, running for office, etc.) Asking someone to provide proof is extreme, and too far. I don't often, but occasionally I will wear Marine Corps items. Motorcycle patches mostly. If anyone one walked up and demanded proof the best they could expect is a verbal response that isn't made for delicate company. Me putting my fist through their face is quite possible depending on the day.

Response by Sgt Bobbie Pickell made Feb 16 at 2022 8:14 PM

2022-02-16T20:14:19-05:00

As a female Vietnam Era veteran, I’m used to being asked if my husband was a veteran. Now, with more females joining the military, I don’t hear it as much but still hear it. I agree with others. I would prefer to see many non veterans get services, than a veteran be humiliated at all. There was enough of that when a lot of Vietnam soldiers came home. And they were the real thing.

Response by LCpl Richard Lally made Feb 17 at 2022 10:29 AM

2022-02-17T10:29:11-05:00

Some people always want what makes others great. I think there was a law passed about 5-10 yrs ago that made it illegal to wear military commendations that have not been earned by the individual wearing them on any uniform . As for patches, rank chevrons/bars, which started in the 60's by protesting Viet Vets, have become common place with bands and wanna be s. Sometime a good ass kicking is required

Response by PO2 Amanda Bray made Feb 18 at 2022 3:26 PM

2022-02-18T15:26:19-05:00

You had better be damn certain before you accuse anyone. Things change over the years, and apparel, equipment, training, and regulations may be different for you than in the past. That does not mean they did not serve. It is often assumed I did not serve because I am a woman and a progressive. I have even had a right wing gun obsessive who never served accuse me of stolen valor online because I didn't know the exact technical name and purpose of every part and piece of whatever firearm he was gushing about at the time. While I trained on multiple weapons and carried one on duty I have been out since 2003, and am not the type to create a civilian obsession over such objects. He was espousing an extremist civilian wannabe's idea of what a service member or veteran is. Be VERY careful with your assumptions. We do not all fit the same mould.

Response by SFC Douglas Welch made Feb 19 at 2022 7:03 AM

2022-02-19T07:03:54-05:00

Well said. My 2 cents. When I was younger I'd start a fight, lol. Being a lot older a little wiser I don't care. Unless fake soldier is in a public forum.as a retiree I recently got a new uniform shaved ,haircut ect.. for my son's graduation. Several other old timers were there we all corrected each other to new and changing standards in fun and professional. Worn correctly well done, worn incorrectly who cares they earned it. Fake soldiers, I laugh!!

Response by LTC David Tuttle made Feb 19 at 2022 5:09 PM

2022-02-19T17:09:27-05:00

Here's why Stolen Valor matters to Veterans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s98erQx5Kzg

https://coffeeordie.com/stolen-valor-marine-search/

https://coffeeordie.com/marine-stolen-valor-cancer-scam/

watch

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Feb 21 at 2022 12:51 AM

2022-02-21T00:51:50-05:00

All men are created equal - except for Veterans... I say that because at its core, it's true. Also, we need to be mindful that there will be those who for whatever reason did not serve - and for some, they were unable to serve. I don't mind people dressing up as service members as a means to give honor to the military in a way that we see people pay tribute to WWII Veterans or Civil War Soldiers or young women who wear Class A coats as pin-up girls for calendars or military aircraft photos. However, that line is crossed when one portrays themselves as a Veteran or current servicemember with the intent to deceive and receive benefits that are specifically reserved for Veterans and military personnel. Aside from all that, I would hope as Veterans there are none within our ranks who would ever challenge any guy in his 60's or 70's about their truthfulness of serving in the military. We are better than that! Who knows what the mental state of someone is at that point - or what hardships they may have went through to make it that far in life, and what if they really are Veterans... then we just challenged one of our own. Nevertheless, none of us took an oath to beat up old guys who are pretending to be Veterans. May be our energy would be better spent mentoring young people today to be more Patriotic, to commit to something bigger than themselves and to serve their country and community - whether Active Duty, Reserves, or National Guard - or even a mixed career... our club is exclusive, but it is open to anyone willing to make the same sacrifices we all made.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2022 1:36 AM

2022-02-21T01:36:29-05:00

Mostly having a life and feeling more pity than anger for those people.

Response by SFC William Linnell made Feb 21 at 2022 9:52 AM

2022-02-21T09:52:35-05:00

Morning Y'all. My thoughts are I busted my ass for what I have but that doesn't mean I am going to run down every person showing military patches, insignia etc. Joe Public can sometimes tell who is the fake and some are just down right fooled. I don't know enough about the other branches to spot check an individual. I did 27 yrs active Army. There are MOS's and units that I know nothing about. But one can talk with them and figure out if they are BSing.
I've watched the YouTube vids with the young ones confronting and getting heated. Their adrenaline starts peaking and not thinking totally straight. YES, It pisses me off. Unless I know for certain that their fake, I not going to troubleshoot them because sometimes by doing so it makes you to be the bad guy.
I know of a person like this. Talked with their old unit NCO's and CDR. They showed up with a "No Helmet wearing Profile". But they took that person because they needed numbers. They spent time in Kuwait training before going up to Iraq. They left that person back when the unit moved out. Since that person never "deployed" and was in the safe zone no worries. But somehow during that time this person got blown up by an IED in a Hummer, Spent 6 months in the hospit, was in a coma, TBI, pelvis shattered. Since then she has gotten a house, a car and other monetary gains.
Now in talking with her old COC, which they would have been notified. They received no intel of this person being severely injured. But this person somehow fabricated all this medical documents which is very crafty. But the old COC won't come forward as this person, a female, tried to file charges against the CO and some NCO's for sexual harassment (trying to rape). This female I have witnessed first hand how she works at reeking vengeance against someone.
That's one reason why I don't confront a person in public.

Response by SSgt Leo Hentrich made Feb 25 at 2022 10:05 PM

2022-02-25T22:05:15-05:00

I'm gonna bust em in the face and go to court and then let them explain the SITREP.

Response by PO2 Lawrence Janiec made Mar 17 at 2022 4:01 AM

2022-03-17T04:01:33-04:00

I have sort of split personality on this. I mostly shake my head at the people who are guilty of this crime. Mostly because if it makes that person feel better to pretend to be something (s)he is not, then at least (s)he's happy. It's sort of like catfishing on the internet. People pretending to be something they are not. My split personality is like... If it's not hurting anyone (at least not in any major way) then whatever. Not worth my time.

But if I see a situation where it is very clear this person is faking and this person is gaining some sort of big advantage from it? I will call that person out.

My first retirement job (as I called it) was at Disneyland. So this kid who was probably 19 or 20 (he looked quite young) was also working there with me and said he was an Army Veteran. He found out I was in the Navy many years previously and asked what I was, and I told him I got out as an E-5. As soon as I said E-5, he instantly said he was a Staff Sergeant (E-6) as if to brag he outranked me. Now I mostly didn't care about former rank, but I called one of my other co-workers there (fellow Cast Members as they are referred to) by TM1, since I knew he was an E-6 Torpedoman's Mate when he got out, many years before I even started my enlistment. However, this kid (Ivan something, I forget his name) just went on and on and on about bragging how he "outranked" me. I told him very calmly that if he wanted to make a big deal about it, then how about he proves he's an E-6, since if he "just got out" he should have a Reservist ID card, right? He refused to produce an ID card. At that point I doubted he was even a former Soldier, so I started calling him Lance Corporal. (THAT'S THE MARINES! THAT'S NOT EVEN THE ARMY!) I told him fine, then, prove he's a Staff Sergeant and I'll call him by that instead. He still refused to show the ID card.

For the most part, I can tell (as I'm sure others of you can) when people are just telling lies or when they have actually served. I play a lot of online games, and I have met quite a few people who tell tall tales about their time as part of Delta or DEVGRU or any of the other "cool" jobs. Sometimes I take them at their word, but mostly I just see it as someone acting like they are more "badass" than they really are.

On that note, one of my favorite things to say when people argue in games and start in on the whole "I'd kick your ass IRL if you were here! Come to my house, we'll throw down!" to which my favorite thing to say is, "I love the internet! Everyone is either an MMA fighter or a Navy SEAL or a proctologist!" (no one appreciates the joke part of that, though, makes me sad.) but it's like, when you meet people online, no one is ever just a cook or a technician or some other job that MOST people in the Armed Forces have. I honestly believe people when they say they served and they were REMF (In the rear, with the gear!) way more often than tall tales of combat duty.

The other thing, though, is that I have only seen it once or twice, but I am of the opinion that if I see someone pretending to be a Veteran or active duty and people are laughing at him? As in, I am 99.9% certain that they are faking it, I will just let that person continue to embarrass himself and just let them dig their own graves. But if I see someone who is clearly faking it, and they are reaping some sort of benefit from it and/or putting one over on people, then I would call that person out. Honestly, I wouldn't even need to demand to see an ID card. It's a double edged sword about what others said where "anyone could print one of those out" so I don't take it as proof. I know the questions to ask to prove that someone is lying. It used to be that when people claimed to be a former SEAL, you'd ask what class they were in and if they sort of stutter and stammer, people would know he was faking it. Some people make their stories more believable by figuring out what class he would have graduated from and pick a number that makes sense for how old they are. I still know the other questions to ask, though. I was not a SEAL, I never went to BUD/S, but I knew a few and know some things from just paying attention.

As for being in some situation where others might call me out on it and not believe me? I have never been in that situation, and don't do the sorts of things that people would want to call me out, but I think that if they don't like seeing my Disabled Veteran card, then I would probably just tell them that they are right, I spent $1,000 on a fake VA card, just so I could save $2 on this movie ticket right now. Great deal! What a bargain! Right?

I think I might have commented on this thread before, but since it showed up in my email digest, I figured I'd chime in. Again, if I did before. I'm old and afflicted with The Dumb, so I forget stuff a lot.

Response by PO3 Bri Morris made Mar 29 at 2022 1:53 PM

2022-03-29T13:53:27-04:00

Isn't the whole point of calling out someone for stolen valor is that you get a beat down if you're wrong? These new "SV" vets sound like some kids begging for an ass whooping to me... That is, so to speak.

Response by CSM Ricky Forrest made Mar 29 at 2022 6:12 PM

2022-03-29T18:12:24-04:00

Call the police when accused of stolen valor..........thems fighting words and calling police may save a life from a trained Veterans anger.

Response by SN Mark Willson made Mar 30 at 2022 3:50 PM

2022-03-30T15:50:39-04:00

The never ending stolen valor issue just makes me tired. I've been on the accused side of the argument.

If someone is defrauding someone by presenting themselves as a veteran or having a particular award they should be punished. However that's not my job. I don't know their story and I'm not so arrogant to think I'm qualified to confront, accuse or judge them.

I joined the service 15 days after the fall of Saigon (I thought the U.S. was going back in) to do my duty like every male in my family going back to at least the civil war (on both sides). Travelled more than half way around the world to Africa from the Indian Ocean. Wasn't allow to wear the uniform off ship other than for official business--too dangerous. The most dangerous was San Francisco where a sailor got ambushed and killed going into Hunter's Point.

I was proud of that uniform, even with zero ribbons (the Navy decided to be very stingy about awards about a decade around then). My DD-214 shows no awards, but the CNO's office tells me that I and many others from that period are eligible for multiple awards that were awarded retroactively in the mid to late 80's.

Since then I have continued to serve with the military through the Coast Guard Auxiliary, MARS, Oregon State Defense Force, and the Washington State Guard. I wear a modified form of the Coast Guard uniform (auxiliary style) and the army uniform (state guard style) when appropriate or under orders. I have earned multiple federal and state military awards for my work in deployments, exercises, disaster response, and even covid response.

I'm still proud to wear the uniforms and the ranks that I have achieved, yet how many of you would freak out looking at me in Army service dress, even with a Washington State Guard name plate and WA instead of US disc when I have Coast Guard, Navy, and Army, and National Guard ribbons and insignia on it that I have *earned*?

Note that none of them show up on a DD-214, but they *do* show up on orders and citations.

-STGSN Mark Willson USNR
-1SG Mark Willson Washington State Guard
-LCDR Mark Willson Coast Guard Auxiliary
-Former State Director Oregon Navy/Marine Corp MARS
-Former State Director Oregon Army MARS (retired)

Response by CPO Rob Carleen made Mar 31 at 2022 7:37 AM

2022-03-31T07:37:51-04:00

I do a lot of work outdoors at my church, near downtown where a lot of homeless types pass through. They sometimes stop and ask for handouts, while telling me their hard luck stories. Many claim to be veterans, mostly Special forces types. Their stories are usually well off the mark, as well as the fact that their ages don’t align with their ‘’history’’. I just nod my head and listen, realizing that they have told that story so many times that they actually believe it. I direct them to our outreach programs and hope they take advantage of support our local churches provide. I just humor them.
The only ones who piss me off are politicians, who embellish a tour in the armed forces, and while doing a worthwhile act, need to make themselves into something more heroic.

Response by SGT Alan Martinez made Mar 31 at 2022 6:47 PM

2022-03-31T18:47:40-04:00

I work at a VA Medical Center. Stolen Valor occurs daily in the worst way. Congress changes rules defining who a Veteran is. The rules entitle people to use the title "Veteran" to access Veteran benefits. Do you know folks who are not Honorably Discharged are able to use the title Veteran and gain access to taxpayer funded resources such as HUD VASH which is a section 8 voucher program for homeless Veterans. Folks without honorable discharges are aloud to use the title Veteran for a lifetime housing subsidy funded by taxpayers. My opinion is that it is fraud and stolen valor.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 31 at 2022 7:25 PM

2022-03-31T19:25:11-04:00

Can't Be Anything Less Than Feeling Guilty For Being A Draft Dodger & Not Wanting To Be Found Out.... Good Ole Bone Spurs Is A Great Example But He Wound Up In The Position Of "Commander-In -Chief Of All American Military Forces.... Does't That Make Ya Wanna Puke Several Times Over.?
Draft Dodger Leading Military......."ONLY In AMERICA"... WTF.! !

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 31 at 2022 8:07 PM

2022-03-31T20:07:48-04:00

Stolen valor? The department of defense supports stolen gender. We have men and women stealing gender valor and it’s supported by the president and the whole world. My mother was a woman and men are stealing the valor she and every woman exerted over their life. Men are stealing the valor of bio female athletes . If some jerkoff wants to dress up in a uniform so what.

Response by CW2 Gale Dorman made Mar 31 at 2022 9:47 PM

2022-03-31T21:47:36-04:00

Life takes a lot of turns, for the good and for some to the darkness. Those that have served understand why teamwork, unity, and why the stolen valor should be addressed. Personally I have seen 100% disabled vets do the some of the most terrible things to other vets. Example a husband and wife team started a construction company the retired Marine and his wife would find Vets, other disabled vets, retired vets and would sell their company by telling those they wanted to con that he had been injured in combat and that he had received a purple heart. It is amazing how proud individuals are who have served and want to help other veterans! The problem is these two pinpointed vets, they Conned hundreds of thousands of dollars from these retired military families, soldiers and sailors etc that recently left service and others. This marine had been in a war zone, he was 100% disabled, he was not a purple heart holder. But they told everyone he had to retire do to his combat wounds. I for one was taken by the story I heard, then my neighbor was taken who was also a military retiree. Then once I started checking deeper they had conned more than 99 individuals/companies and taken more than 1.25 million dollars from other veterans. I could go much deeper into this one story but the bottom line when another veteran or even someone impersonates a veteran for financial gain, they should be hung out to dry! Here you have folks that that took the hard earned and possibly very badly needed disability and retirement pay from other disabled and possibly retired military personal. Now their simple act will cause other things to happen. Those conned can call the police, the sheriffs department, the FBI, and other law enforcement agencies. These agencies will spend hours trying to track the information down and try to prosecute. At what cost to our government system? Now if the people that were conned take these crooks to court. Now who pays for the lawyers, civil or criminal lawyers? Strange but even if the criminal looses in civil court their actions was basically vapor court time. Depending on your city, county, state, local laws. noting will happen. You can end up with a piece of paper saying yes the criminals were wrong and they are to pay you restitution. Years will have passed and these same folks will repeat their action against others! Never going to court and just taking the judges default judgement as an OK to continue what they were doing. In the meantime the individuals conned have a massed massive debt to fix what the crooks have caused. Then to top it off they may go to bankruptcy court and all the civil cases and money they have stolen they are told that they do not have to pay or they can pay it back over 15 years. Then you hear news cast on TV mentioning vets who have done very bad things, but then find out they were never in the service. Later you find out that they never had a day of service, but everyone who heard the broadcast now has a sour taste about veterans. Everyone that has served. My point is that every time some idiot misuses a military uniform, says they are something they are not, remember the one percent of our nation that did serve honorably also suffers from these demeaning actions, what some call minor demeaning actions. Everyone note look up on the internet and you will find veterans are pinpointed for crimes against them at a higher level then the rest of our society. By the way, the above was true, it happened to my family and friends and has cost those that I know many hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to correct what was done wrong to my family and other vets. Stealing Valor is a sickness that should be treated with a strict taste of Jail time. The Department of the Navy sent to another person I know a letter and explicitly informed them that this individual never had a purple heart. Many agencies will not take the time to do anything to these crooks. It is hard to prove, it takes time and it takes energy and persistence. Our society give the criminal to many outs and in some cases rewards them as I stated in even when proven fraud is in place the Federal Gov will give bankruptcy rulings in the favor of the criminal unless someone takes the time and effort to bring these crooks in front of a Judicial Court and Fraud and felony charges are enforced along with Jail Time.
Sorry for this being so long but I hate to see veterans and their families taken advantage of!

Chief Warrant Officer Gale Dorman
US Army Retired

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2022 12:23 PM

2022-04-01T12:23:32-04:00

When the most likely benefit someone will get with SV is a free meal at Applebee's, it's totally not something for me to worry about. If Applebee's wants to be strict with proof of service, that's on them.

As for someone pretending to be a vet, I'm strong enough in my self worth that their actions don't weaken my service history. In fact, I'm more embarrassed by the people who try to hunt down SV and try to distance myself from "those vets".

Response by SPC Roland Bigby made Apr 2 at 2022 12:11 AM

2022-04-02T00:11:00-04:00

People who “steal valor” are pathetic individuals who are really stealing nothing. Only others who don’t even know them can believe their claim to valor. Certainly their spouses and children know they are acting. Their close friends know there is nothing valorous about them, and most pathetic is that they know it is a lie. How can this possibly bother or threaten me? My service is beyond reproach. As long as they are not somehow claiming benefits, they are harmless children playing soldier. My opinion is that those who matter don’t care and those who care don’t matter.

Response by Sgt Arthur Grant made Apr 2 at 2022 12:28 AM

2022-04-02T00:28:11-04:00

I think those who profess to military service they have not provided should be automatically enlisted. Period.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2022 2:12 PM

2022-04-02T14:12:24-04:00

If you really served, then you know what you did and didn't do. We develop lifelong relationships with others we serve with through good times and bad. I get annoyed with being i think are lying about service but not enough to start crap over it. Fraud is different to me than bragging though. Let the law take care of fraud and businesses require proof for free coffee. Im proud of most of my service and thats all I can control. Lol

Response by SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb made Apr 2 at 2022 6:41 PM

2022-04-02T18:41:25-04:00

If someone challenge me in an inappropriate manner I will respond in like manner. Its not that serious. F them and step away ca carefully

Response by TSgt Tony Cooper made Apr 2 at 2022 9:25 PM

2022-04-02T21:25:22-04:00

To me it's easy to identify. Only people that were in the military can relate. Such as jargons like PCS, TDy MOS etc.

Response by SGT Stephen Rowland made Apr 3 at 2022 9:51 AM

2022-04-03T09:51:53-04:00

Senator Richard Blumenthal comes to my mind on this issue. He may not be deceiving the Veterans Administration but he did lie about serving in Vietnam. Attending funerals for Vets and scrounging for votes. Obviously conduct unbecoming of an officer and he is rewarded by being allowed to serve in our Senate.
I personally have met quite a few people wearing Vietnam veteran caps and always say, “Hi, where did you serve in country?” The elusive answers is a tell but if someone is so insecure they need the cap to feel good….Let it be

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Apr 3 at 2022 11:23 AM

2022-04-03T11:23:06-04:00

Let's look at the side of the question: Why would you care?

Let's start by facing the fact that the vast majority of "Stolen Valor" instances that we see from the self-anointed Stolen Valor Police aren't legally Stolen Valor (which would require doing it for some material gain) but simply some guy wanting to feel good about himself. Those cases range from the drunk at the bar telling war stories that aren't quite exactly true to people dressed almost like the guy in the photo, but how do those people hurt YOU, or perhaps more importantly how does doing anything about it really improve your life. I'd say that 99% of the time it is just a matter of those self-anointed stolen valor police wanting to feel better about themselves by bringing someone else down. Yes, perhaps that someone else might deserve to be brought down, but really what's the point?

Occasionally I can see where someone might have a deep personal reason to resent some specific instance of "Stolen Valor" -- perhaps your father died in Vietnam and you meet someone claiming to have served in his unit but for some reason you are sure that he never served. OK, I see why you'd resent that. But I have a hard time working up much enthusiasm over some random dweeb walking down the street in an obviously fake uniform or wearing a "Viet Vet" hat when he's obviously too young to have served.

I hear some vets say that stolen valor somehow cheapens the awards that people honestly received. OK, guess what? The military has done a good enough job of cheapening many awards already. Let's face it, most of anyone's awards are just participation trophies, and even the awards that are supposed to be earned are far-too-often "inflated" to put it mildly.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Apr 3 at 2022 12:33 PM

2022-04-03T12:33:14-04:00

Simple I have a life and I don't need to square anyone away in the civilian world. Bad enough we have soldiers out there that "want you to thank them for there service" GTFO.
WTF does it matter to you anyways, scan your lane and keep it moving. What you need to do is look for all the Blue Falcon NCOs, Officers and Enlisted. Call those cheese dcks out and make sure everyone knows they are not to be trusted brownnosers. Stolen Valor is not ok not at all, if you feel like you have to say something then cool. BUT DO NOT PULL OUT YOUR CELLPHONE AND START RECORDING.

Response by PO2 Michael Slachta made Apr 3 at 2022 1:02 PM

2022-04-03T13:02:52-04:00

I don't need someone elses recognition or approval of my service. I know where I was when and what we did, whether someone ese believes it or not doesn't matter. Those people who matter to me know what I have done. On the other hand I will do everything in my power to go after someone who is fraudently receiving VA Benefits. Those people who feel the need to publicly "expose" those who fraudently claim benefits are really just demonstrating their own insecurity and I have no time for them.

Response by CPL Miguel Velez made Apr 3 at 2022 3:38 PM

2022-04-03T15:38:49-04:00

That is a DISGRACE for the UNIFORMS, He is just another joker want-to-be warrior. Law Enforcement agents should grab these clowns and really enlist them to see what they have, to feel in need to steal The Valor of us veterans. In Florida there is many, since the Gov. De Santis is very active with the communities, he MUST put an executive order to ban any clown that poses as a Veteran or Active Members.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 3 at 2022 4:35 PM

2022-04-03T16:35:41-04:00

Truly I just don’t care anymore. The words hero, valor, courage, brave and on and on have been abused to describe a man who says he is a woman, the death of a career drug addict criminal, politicians that push racist theories, a VP and President that score below moron on the intelligence test etc. I have become so jaded over the issue. To quote a line in a famous movie, “All my heroes are dead.”

Response by SSG David Angell made Apr 3 at 2022 11:26 PM

2022-04-03T23:26:04-04:00

You know the old saying. "You show me yours and I will show you mine." Other then that, its none of your F***ing business.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Apr 4 at 2022 12:58 AM

2022-04-04T00:58:13-04:00

I’m not sure how to respond to this topic. It would depend on what my daily demeanor was at the moment some “slack jaw idiot” confronted me. On an average day I would tell the person to take a hike and stop wasting the valuable O2 we breath. I don’t have to answer to anyone but my wife. So, if you value those pearly whites step aside. On a bad day he may get beaten like a dirty rug.
I find most honest vets don’t “brag” about what they have done or where they have been.
Casual conversation is about all you will get from them.

Response by LTC Lance Headrick made Apr 4 at 2022 3:16 AM

2022-04-04T03:16:15-04:00

My valor is my own. They didn't steal anything from me. Soldiers don't stand for the flag on post at 17:00 that bothers me way worse. Some argue about whether you're a real veteran if you haven't been deployed, Is that bothers me. I have a lot of concerns within and without the military and they outrank worrying about somebody wearing fake medals.

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made Apr 6 at 2022 5:08 AM

2022-04-06T05:08:32-04:00

I just retired from State Employment. Besides having been in the Navy, my father had been in the Air Force, so I'd travelled quite a bit before and during my time in. There had been a few other vets working there that understood what I would talk about, or at the very least, the stories we told, were similar in style and content, just the names were changed because we were too drunk to remember them.
One of the guys at my State job asked one of the Vet's on his shift if I had actually been in the military, since some of the stuff and the shear amount of different stuff I could talk about seemed unusual to him (like many civvies he worked one job his whole life and never experienced the range of stuff that happens in the military) & the Vet on his shift told him, that Every Single word I said about being in the Military were true

Response by Capt Brian Curtis made Apr 6 at 2022 6:38 PM

2022-04-06T18:38:01-04:00

"Stolen valor" is a euphemism for "It's none of my business, but I want to virtue-signal my goodness about an issue that is not real ". Look, nobody's "valor" is being stolen. Right? And hey, this is, or is supposed to be, a free country, with actual free speech. (Or did we all sign up and fight just so that WE could be free, and now THEY have to live by OUR rules?) But let's finish defining the situation. If you mean when somebody, who has/had never earned the uniform (or an item associated with military service), is wearing it in public, well, that is actually his or her RIGHT to do so. Even if we don't approve. As long as that individual is not trying to act in the official capacity of the office that that particular uniform, or other item, indicates that the individual has earned, then WE are the ones who have to remember that THEIR rights don't end where OUR feelings begin. If, however, the person is trying to get benefits, of any kind from any source, by misrepresenting him/herself as having earned the actual title or office, then we could probably call it just plain old 'fraud'. Here's my take on free speech: When someone comes up to you and says something (other than a threat, a lie, or that is meant to put someone in in physical danger) that is so disgusting and infuriating that you ACTUALLY vomit and punch a hole in the wall, and neither you nor anybody else tries to force the person to retract the statement or pay for it, and YOU are still responsible for cleaning up the vomit and repairing the wall, then we have evidence of free speech.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2022 5:41 AM

2022-04-10T05:41:31-04:00

It’s more in the manner in which it’s being used. Some people have emotional or mental illness and wear or display “stolen valor,” but honestly mean no harm. Really, they admire the military so much and wish, sometimes believe, they served. When you see the articles or the videos of these people being harassed by vets or military spouses (honestly they get the ugliest sometimes), I care more about how they make us look as Military members and vets.
However, when someone is trying to take advantage of people (ie prey on women) or commit fraud (ie buy a house, get VA benefits, free college, etc) through the use of fake military service, going so far as to create fake DD214s and other documents, then I care a lot more. I would want them outted and prosecuted.
Regardless, Veterans need to hold their decorum, dignity, and discipline when they see stolen valor. Or suspect stolen valor. It seems to be mostly younger vets today who need to realize while we have done something special, we are not so special that we are above those we served, we cannot segregate ourselves, we should try to assimilate back into our surroundings (as hard as that is), and most importantly understand we represent something bigger than ourselves still even out of uniform.
Some of the behavior caught while confronting others for stolen valor is disgusting and frankly does more damage.

Response by AN Daniel C Begay made Apr 20 at 2022 11:04 PM

2022-04-20T23:04:08-04:00

We've had run ins with PC kids [usually 20s- late 30s] when we tried just being ourselves in public. The harassment would start by the other person noticing a military insignia baseball cap or a military pin. Very obnoxious behavior from the PC kids to fellow veterans. It is worse when it happens to an elderly veteran who can't defend themselves or provide proof. I'm thinking of the homeless veterans or the ones with TBI on the streets.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Apr 26 at 2022 7:17 PM

2022-04-26T19:17:49-04:00

The only time I had ever question someone about their service was when I was in the PX and a Captain in uniform, in front of me had bought some item. I asked to see his Military ID, because he looked like he was twelve and hadn't even started shaving yet! I was thinking he was some High School ROTC Cadet trying to pull one over. Turns out He really was a Captain! He was very polite about it, and I apologized for disturbing his day. It all matters as to how you approach the situation. Different eras have been awarded different ribbons and metal then today soldiers. Be polite and courteous, listen well if they are faking, they will stumble of their words and stories. When they do politely call them out, they will in most part quietly leave.

Response by PO3 Robert Wallick made Apr 28 at 2022 7:25 PM

2022-04-28T19:25:37-04:00

You can tell about vets and there are differences a combat veteran is different from a regular veteran I haven’t had any problems with veteran’s you can spot a phony most of the time Me personally would not call out a phony unless it was over the top all of us who served deserve to be treated with respect and real bullet dodgers deserve the most respect

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made May 22 at 2022 12:20 AM

2022-05-22T00:20:46-04:00

We shouldn't get too "wrapped around the axle" over this issue of "Stolen Valor". In the 52 years since I left the Army (Vietnam), no one here in California has ever questioned my symbols of Military service. However, I enjoy striking up a conversation with other vets I pass in stores. Every one had stories that were true to the adventure.

Response by SGT Bleddyn Wilson made May 24 at 2022 10:07 PM

2022-05-24T22:07:15-04:00

Because the courts don’t care.

Response by PO2 Jim Monko made Jun 4 at 2022 12:40 PM

2022-06-04T12:40:31-04:00

So nothing happens. Look at the senators or cabinet members or secretary of state and media newscasters that said they were in battle or under fire. They lied but yet people do not hold them accountable. They should be made to resign because liars can hurt people or a nation bad. Yet people continue to vote for the deceivers or praise them. The number one deceiver is Satan. Main thing to remember is if you served your country. Worry about the guy in the mirror. In time pay back is mighty tough on the deceivers. From time to time you will talk to BS of serving. Just sit back and enjoy the acting.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2022 1:46 PM

2022-06-04T13:46:13-04:00

People need to mind their own business. If anything, stolen valor folks probably need to get some mental health assistance. I’m a third generation Soldier. My son is in the Army. I know what my service means to me. I have friends who were killed in combat, who I value and love. I’ve made friendships that will last a lifetime. When men and women are out there faking service, it does nothing to impact my family or me.

I have bigger issues with the dumb intra-service and intra-rank rivalries… You’ve got Soldiers criticizing others for getting VA benefits, you’ve got combat Joes who question everyone’s service who isn’t a combat Soldier, you’ve got paratroopers who think their service means more, you’ve got Officers who take shots at NCOs and vice-versa….at the end of the day, value what you did and what you’re doing in the military and move on. If it doesn’t hurt or pertain to you, move on.

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Jun 5 at 2022 1:18 PM

2022-06-05T13:18:40-04:00

People need to start caring and leave Veteran and Soldiers alone .. Especially the ones that have P.T.S.D. .. the people that do not respect their elders (Veterans, Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Coast Guarders , the Air Forcers, and now the Space Forcers) just need to close their mouths, pack their bags and go to a place or places that does not have freedom .. let that sink/marinate a bit .. and let them TRY to disrespect and etc. then they will either appreciate their/his/her FREEDOM or be in a country or countries that conscript their people (men/women) and their movements will be like in the current skirmishes/wars/battles that have no Freedom .. have to look over shoulders and be skittish about movements, etc. .. Stolen Valor is for not the True Folks mentioned .. we do not steal/take/ what we worked for, what we sacrificed for, what we strive for better in the U.S.A. .. V. S. S. M. C. A. S. people we need to unify us to show what we mean and mean what we are showing. God Bless ..

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Jun 5 at 2022 8:30 PM

2022-06-05T20:30:40-04:00

How many Vets suffer from brain damage or other mental health issues that they might put a medal or uniform on incorrectly?
I got off a train just after the Vietnam War when I was confronted by some A-hole who spit on and called me a baby killer (I never was in Vietnam), I was not only embarrassed but angry that someone did this in public because I serve my country.
I would rather fight for proper healthcare to include modifications to homes, paid mortgages and vehicles so dismembered veterans can get around ( just like T2T does). If the federal government can spend billions each year to on Illegal Immigrants then it can find the money to spend on us and live up to its obligations for the damages done to our bodies and life’s.

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Jun 6 at 2022 2:26 AM

2022-06-06T02:26:04-04:00

SFC., Stolen Valor is Very Special to me, I’m talking about the ones that Claim Things and Honors they never earned but bragged about!!! Their are shameful and disrespectful of those who did earn what they wore and told. It’s True, ID’s and Awards can be gotten illegally. This is truly outrageous to me. But why would any Veteran Question Valid Credentials????? Please don’t disgrace or disrespect these Veterans unless YOU are absolutely sure they are Bogus, otherwise, Give Them The Honor They Deserve! Just my Humble Opinion. Doc

Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Jun 6 at 2022 4:46 AM

2022-06-06T04:46:46-04:00

I hate fakers, I wish we could get rid of them. I don't accuse anyone, because I simply don't know what service any of these guys have gone through. If someone came up to me and demanded proof, he will get a boot in the ass. If I were a congressman or senator, than one thing. I think there are guys out there that will confront anyone. I am air force, I have a navy ribbon, when I was still active I had a major crawl my ass because I was wearing a navy ribbon, our new Co set him straight.

Response by SGT Larry Benson made Jun 6 at 2022 3:55 PM

2022-06-06T15:55:22-04:00

The older I get the less I let it bother me and the more I have understood people and why they do the things they do. The fact is, most people who would go as far as to dress up and play like they were a soldier are in some real need of assistance for either emotional or mental health issues, or both. Even if they seem "normal" they are looking for acceptance or attention at a level that is not normal, hence their need for mental health services. At the same time, it's not very difficult to figure out who is a true brother\sister and who is a fake. I get no pleasure or feeling of righteousness by calling out stolen valor, I just get a sense of sadness for everyone involved.

Response by SGT Thomas Mitchell made Jun 8 at 2022 7:33 AM

2022-06-08T07:33:12-04:00

A quick inte4rnet search indicates that uniforms are technically government property. It could be argued that the photograph above and any other examples floating around out there could be construed as misuse of government property.

Response by Cpl Jon Chapman made Jun 8 at 2022 11:32 AM

2022-06-08T11:32:20-04:00

What anyone else has done or proclaims to have done doesn't change a thing about me. I know who I am. I know so very little about others that it makes no sense to make an issue of something they do. What if they are mentally ill? Have a cognitive impairment? Just need some positive feedback? None of this detracts from us, and most people see right through it. I have a hard enough time keeping my own life in order, let alone worrying about a Navy SEAL Recon Paratrooper Sgt. Major General.

Response by Sgt Scott Sullivan, CCNP, CCNA, Security+ made Jun 8 at 2022 1:13 PM

2022-06-08T13:13:42-04:00

Caring is 1 discussion. Whether it justifies someone cause an altercation to confront someone os another story. From a legal standpoint, stolen valor involves profiting from the act. Even in that you don’t have the jurisdiction to do anything about it. You could equally be arrested for harassment or assault.

Response by Sgt Scott Sullivan, CCNP, CCNA, Security+ made Jun 8 at 2022 1:15 PM

2022-06-08T13:15:44-04:00

I’ve had people, not the store, ask me to prove that I’m a vet when parking at the Lowes veteran parking. I tell them to pound sand.

Response by PO3 Mike Savage made Jun 8 at 2022 1:42 PM

2022-06-08T13:42:16-04:00

I say fubar to these lemmings, how bout paying attention to the Vet Admin.and its lack of squaring away pensions,disability ratings, and ACTUALLY giving a " rats ass" about US! All the VA does is " deny ,deny,DIE"! Instead of ruining the Branchs with " wokeness"!!! How bout get some folks running the V.A with a sense of duty and honor! I won 'Service Connection" and that was two years ago, but no rating as its sitting in phnx regional Get a new head of the V.A too! Anchors away, TM3 SAVAGE USN

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2022 4:15 PM

2022-06-08T16:15:33-04:00

here is my take on this issue. I am now retired and veteran but about 8 years ago one day when I was coming home from my weekend drill had my uniform on in a gas station a young punk teenager approached me first very politely but started asking questions. I did not see his intentions at first but he started asking questions like at what base I go and the name of my commander so I started to feel suspicious so he asked if I was really in the military, I showed him my card but then later I thought why should I be showing sensitive documents to a stranger. Its' non of his business trying to find people stealing valor. He said that anyone can replicate a card and started yelling that I was fake and that got me very angry but there was nothing I can do and left humiliated.
After so much research stealing valor is not a crime in its self only when the person is trying to take advantage financially or trying to obtain benefits without even being in the military as a veteran . That is for the authorities to follow up on. When I see someone dressing as a veteran or with a uniform, chances are this person is a veteran or in the military but if not, perhaps he wants to feel better of himself, perhaps he made the wrong choices in life and need something to improve his self esteem . For what ever reason I would never approach this person and let him be since he not hurting anyone and it is not my job and I don't have a purpose to expose anyone of wrong doing.
this incident did not happen again but if it does, this would my response. First I stop this person on its tracks and just right ask him if he is trying to find out if I am stealing valor because if he is I would demand that he either calls the police if he thinks its a crime and its his duty to report it OR shup up and get the f..k out of my face
I do not have any need to give any explanations to anybody. I performed my duties and proud to be a veteran and to have anyone questioning it especially complete civilian strangers who thinks they have a duty to expose individuals stealing valor, I will just put them in their place.

Response by SGT Jen Engel made Jun 8 at 2022 4:27 PM

2022-06-08T16:27:51-04:00

I have had people (usually males) and ask me if I deserve a vets parking spot. But in there defense whenever I greet what I believe to be a fellow female vet in the assigned parking g they tell me that it was their spouse who served, not them. I no longer use the spots since my knee replacement, because I have seen too many people struggling to go into the store with veterans hats on.

Response by SGT Kenneth Durman made Jun 8 at 2022 4:58 PM

2022-06-08T16:58:59-04:00

Well, they didn't have the balls to fight for this the United States of America. But they want the respect we get. They should be in prison.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2022 1:49 AM

2022-06-09T01:49:50-04:00

That's the level of freedom they get to have.

Response by GySgt John Buettner made Jun 9 at 2022 8:07 PM

2022-06-09T20:07:52-04:00

You only fight the battles you can win.
I am a Nam Vet, 3rd Mar Div.
If you don't believe me, I could care less.
I don't wear my medals or uniform in public. I do often wear a cap or shirt with USMC on it.
If some vet was to get in my face, well so what? Ignorance is not just the privilege of civilians.
The Marines on the DMZ thought I was good enough to walk point. They trusted me with their lives. No medal, no degree, no award has ever exceeded the honor I felt we I was picked for point. I had arrived, I was no longer an FNG, and I had earned respect.
No one saying "Thank you for your service" compares.
The Marines believed I was their kind of man before I needed to shave. The rest has little meaning.

Response by PO2 Joan MacNeill made Jun 10 at 2022 12:18 AM

2022-06-10T00:18:38-04:00

"Stolen" valor? I'm having trouble grasping that concept. Maybe "borrowed" or more accurately, "faked". Most of those folks are pathetic, often obviously at right angles to reality. Some have entertainment value. Yes, there are those who artfully use their act to gain undeserved wealth or respect. These are truly contemptible, and deserve whatever punishment the universe may deal them, the sooner the better.

But others may just be embellishing their record. To many, their military experience was the biggest thing that ever happened to them; they can't move on to greater things. Their limited intelligence and overactive imaginations could create histories that didn't happen. Back to pathetic. If our lives are better and more complete, perhaps we should allow them a little fantasy to brighten their sad spirits...

As to dress, I march in a veterans' color guard that requests members wear quasi-Army colors, cammo and OD. Since it's obviously not official, I dress it up with some Navy accents out of pride. No harm done, and the public seems to like it. I guess I'm posing, so what?

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2022 11:10 AM

2022-06-22T11:10:37-04:00

At the end of the day, Stolen Valor is really only stolen if the are fraudulently gaining personally. There are a number of discharged veterans that often discover after separation that they should have a missing medal. So adding it to thier uniform long after a DD214 is issued, it is not a five minute lift to fix it. And sometimes, those awards are out of order.

How about taking some time to ask if you may assist the veteran in squaring away thier rack and ask them for thier story.

I would never want to embarrass myself or the individual by being a pompous ass and getting belligerent. But if they are public speaking and getting paid and it is clear they are bullshiting, I'd prevalent let them know, that I know, they are full of shit.

I'm not sure we have an awards police, so do not embarrass yourself. I have my VA card but I'll be damned if I carry my 214 around. That is just stupid. We all have better things to do.

I know someone who lied about his service in public. I told him if ever lied in front of me again, I'd shame him. He was so embarrassed he went and told everyone he was bullshiting. That surprised me but at least his lie was over before it started.

Response by SGM Charles Twardzicki made Jun 22 at 2022 1:08 PM

2022-06-22T13:08:44-04:00

Depends on if the individual is getting any benefits from the situation. If they’re holding a sign on the roadside, I don’t care. However, if they are gaining an advantage from falsely claiming service, then I take issue. They are lying, stealing and lessening your military contributions. That should bother you. I don’t initiate a confrontation with the lowlife, I just don’t assist in the scam. Essayons!

Response by CPL Anrae Godley-Cooper made Jun 27 at 2022 3:31 PM

2022-06-27T15:31:25-04:00

I feel the same way, I actually had a young man approach me about me wearing my combat patch, he claimed to be a SF Sgt., however I can tell right off he was not who he said he was and was in need of some mental health help, I actually felt bad for him and still to this day hope and pray he's receiving the help he needs, people are more and more jumpy, and confronting people is not a good idea, besides my oath to the constitution never expired, I just live and let live, none of my business.

Response by CW3 Art Farash made Jul 16 at 2022 5:09 PM

2022-07-16T17:09:10-04:00

What pisses me off is seeing people, including vets, wearing parts of military uniforms that they can't fit into, with medals hanging sometimes on the wrong side, looking like clowns instead of representing the services they served in.

Response by SPC Clint Miller made Jul 17 at 2022 1:44 AM

2022-07-17T01:44:05-04:00

I have bigger things to worry about in life than some mouth breather who claims to be a Special Forces Seal Ninja combat warrior. Half of the people calling out every person they see for stolen valor were probably the same active service members who were ate up soup sandwiches who lie about what they actually did in the sandbox.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made Jul 17 at 2022 2:17 PM

2022-07-17T14:17:30-04:00

I guess it's because the military is becoming so woke that it's sad. I'd rather not admit that I was associated with what it has become.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Jul 17 at 2022 6:21 PM

2022-07-17T18:21:18-04:00

They not only demean the uniform but take a sense of valor that rightfully belongs to those who actually served their country.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Jul 17 at 2022 11:55 PM

2022-07-17T23:55:51-04:00

As the saying goes “imitation is the fondest form of flattery”. If some poor wannabe wants to play soldier then as long as he isn’t trying to get benefits from the VA or some charity then I would walk on.
I have been blessed with a great military career and have had the experiences in training people pay thousands of dollars for. I park in a veteran spot at my local Lowes and still wear my course T shirts. But, if some “jackass” thinks he is going to humiliate me and ask to see my Vet card I would tell him to take a hike or take a boot in his forth point of contact.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2022 6:55 PM

2022-07-22T18:55:17-04:00

Please someone... when I retire and choose to wear my clothing how I want, come up and say something!!

Response by MAJ Fred Zacher made Jul 24 at 2022 9:39 AM

2022-07-24T09:39:05-04:00

I help veterans receive VA benefits. The first question I ask is which unit and then where. I ask for a copy of a DD214. It has to agree in some way with what they say.
I've found it very easy to spot phonies with the unit question. No need to harrass anyone.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Jul 25 at 2022 4:38 PM

2022-07-25T16:38:20-04:00

I myself only wear those that I have earned along the way to becoming an E-4. Expert Infantry Badge, Air Assault Wings and Jungle Expert Patch, these were the most important ones to me. The first two I earned as a PFC back in the late seventies and early eighties you didn't see to many PFC running around with an EIB then. No one questions wearing those either. I don't need to expose a faker they will do that on their own. I just need to know the number to the police department in order to report it, after all it is Fraud and there are laws about Stolen Valor, they can explain it to the cops at their front door.

Response by MAJ Gregory Moon made Jul 25 at 2022 4:44 PM

2022-07-25T16:44:14-04:00

Look not every vet is retired or even has there stuff because the were in a hurry to get the hell out of there at the end of their term or obligation. Other problems with jumping on someone with both feet is that award standards get jerked around. For example in WWII if you were in theater combat or not you got a bronze star for service. When I was in Afghanistan The NATO Training Mission commander said no to Bronze stars but yes to MSM. Equivalent on order of merit but not by the definition of the award. So what they are wearing may be correct for their time but not in your experience. Bottom line is be sure before you jump and make sure the target is really worth it. Hell my personal pet peeve is some Fobbit claims PTSD . Then again i never got rained on with mortars and rockets only sprinkled. There's all sorts of unjust crap. Be careful you can be an ass as much as the stolen honor guys.

Response by LCDR Stan Young made Jul 26 at 2022 10:38 AM

2022-07-26T10:38:00-04:00

This pretty much became a non-issue in 2012 when Chief Justice Roberts ruled in United States v Alvarez that you can call yourself anything you please under the penumbra of "free speech" so long as you are not profiting from the service of someone who did, ie, committing fraud to claim VA benefits.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 4 at 2022 9:53 PM

2022-08-04T21:53:14-04:00

Its not that I don't care. It is I am tired of it after 50 years! My daughter is a dispatcher for a sheriff department. One of the rookie dispatcher s is in the Minnesota National guard. He was telling his supervisor he is a senior SP4 and in a special unit that trained every other weekend. So he could not work weekends. Alarms went up for me! He could not produce any documentation ? The young man is now under investigation as well as his parents are now under investigation for VA fraud! Guess my! Yes, you rip off you go down you want be a want to be, I will let you know it.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Aug 4 at 2022 11:25 PM

2022-08-04T23:25:22-04:00

Now I am pissed! mr. t said he should get the " Medal of Honor" "for going to Iraq with a bumpy landing! Get bent you draft dodging piece of stolen valour! You who back him and his followers. Get bent!!!!!! You are no betteryou care not!

Response by SPC Ron Salsbury made Aug 11 at 2022 1:49 PM

2022-08-11T13:49:54-04:00

It's not that I don't care, I would rather error on the side of caution, I ask questions that anyone in service should be able to answer easily without having to think about said answer; this is how I can flush out those type of people. After that, I just simply wish them well and go about my day keeping my opinion to myself, because what if I am wrong! I simply remember to ask myself, what if it were me being questioned, how I would respond to a false accusation, probably not favorable in my mind, thus dishonoring my branch of service making it look bad.

Response by SGT Dave Matteson made Sep 2 at 2022 11:01 PM

2022-09-02T23:01:11-04:00

I stopped caring when I was approached during a Veterans Day parade after party. I was wearing a reproduction WWII (WORLD WAR II and NOT CURRENT ISSUE) frogskin camo pants, WWII leggings, and rough outer boots. I had a coke and a burger in my hands and this guy approaches me and asks about the uniform. I tell him what it is. He asks me if I'm authorized to wear it. I told him to go away as I thought he was joking. He told me I was disgracing the troops who fought in Europe in WWII. I told him, I'm retired Army and a living historian. He continues on this stupid push about me disgracing troops and I am stealing their valor. A WWII veteran walked over and told the guy to take a hike. He pulled a CAC and explained he was on active duty and I needed to do as he said. Finally, an organizer came over and asked if everything was fine. "A little misguided", I said pointing at the accuser. He was finally asked to leave. Later on, I found out he accused several people of stealing valor. The only other time was some bearded clown told me to take off my tan soft cap as I didn't earn it. Shook my head and kept moving. All I can say is MYOB. Most of the people doing it are either homeless or have mental issues. Just leave people alone.

Response by SrA Alan Purcell made Sep 3 at 2022 12:25 PM

2022-09-03T12:25:55-04:00

I do not judge the vets who have insignia, rank, ribbons or any other item on their uniforms because I have seen the Air Force change their rank files, names of the major commands, base aircraft and patches over the years and too many of the ribbons are too similar for me to judge. The medals have remained consistent but how am I to know if a service member earned what is on their uniform without asking for details and that is not appropriate as it could and sometimes does bring up memories that are tough to deal with. I do not appreciate the fakes but I would rather they have to produce proof if they are seeking some type of "benefit" than to challenge someone who is just wearing a uniform. Respectfully,

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Sep 3 at 2022 2:35 PM

2022-09-03T14:35:30-04:00

These wannabe individuals walking around with Military Uniforms with ribbons and medals not earned make those who exactly served and died look BAD, these individuals probably suffer from Mental Health Issues, and should seek help and not be wearing a Military Uniform, and those Veterans should call them out and get them reported

Response by SGT Alexander Perez made Sep 3 at 2022 3:15 PM

2022-09-03T15:15:32-04:00

Cause these folks sometimes get treated better than actual veterans. So in a way I don't care. Just Like i don't care if the VA treats me well or not.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Sep 3 at 2022 10:16 PM

2022-09-03T22:16:41-04:00

I've never seen it so seeing it online there's nothing I can do.
They don't care.
Given they are getting benefits they should be carded. I show mine even when they don't ask. I'm sure 99% of military can tell who is and isn't without difficulty.

Response by Cpl Tony Simpson made Sep 4 at 2022 6:59 PM

2022-09-04T18:59:12-04:00

I care about it, I care that there are millions of fakes who never served and I care that the supreme court which is composed of a bunch of lawyers who never served a day, have decided that the scumbags that are pretending to be veterans are exercising free speech but having to prove that you are really a vet to some assholes isn't worth the bullshit. I had a guy question me at my VA hospital !!! He asked me what outfit I was with in Nam I said 3/4 He freaked out said he was with some kind of super grunt army outfit and never heard of 3/4... I said Marines you stupid MFer How do you think I got in VA hospital ?. It went downhill from there...This guy is the kind of prick that would create a scene anywhere and there are more out there. With all of the guns and the gun crimes I'd rather let it pass but the only solution I see would be to chip vets and even then the fakers would find a way around that

Response by PVT John Maloney made Sep 5 at 2022 8:56 AM

2022-09-05T08:56:14-04:00

There are some categories of military imposters who should be called out. Mainly politicians.
I went to an event that was attended by my State Senator. He was wearing a Marine Corps lapel pin. I asked him when he was in the Marines. He told me he wasn't but his father was and he wore it to honor his dad who served and had passed away. No stolen valor there.
I am a non-combat vet from Vietnam era. Sometimes I wear a hat that says Army Veteran on it. If someone thanks me for my service, I tell them a short story. I went to my local recruiter in December 1972 and committed to join the Army, but did not go off to Basic until February 1973. In January 1973, the Paris Peace Accords were signed. My mother's prayers were responsible for ending the Vietnam War. So, I didn't have to go.
Am I stealing anything?

Response by Sgt David Scott made Sep 6 at 2022 11:32 AM

2022-09-06T11:32:08-04:00

I have ran into a few of these "imposters", both in performing my duties as LEO for 37 years and my civilian endeavors. Most of these "thief's" as easily identified by just asking them a few questions, i.e. who did they serve with, where were they deployed, even just about their "Boot Camp". This seemed to work for me, probably some got by, but most were identified as phonies and thief's of True Veterans Benefits, privileges and identities. I was amazed at how easy was to find most of them out.

Response by LCpl Zac Ashdown made Oct 1 at 2022 9:47 AM

2022-10-01T09:47:21-04:00

I do not even have a vet card so
That’s a ignorant way to prove it anyway. No matter what someone thinks I owe no explanation to ANYONE, military or not, active duty or not, NO ONE! So to go around asking for proof is laughable and I would hope no one is stupid enough to do this to me! I would never be so arrogant to think I had the right to demand proof like that from another person. We are not in the military any longer and owe no explanation.

Response by SGT Ruben Lozada made Oct 1 at 2022 6:27 PM

2022-10-01T18:27:32-04:00

I think many of Them have some type of mental issue.

Response by PV2 Ellen B Wentzel made Oct 5 at 2022 12:32 AM

2022-10-05T00:32:47-04:00

I don't understand how anyone could "wrongfully receive" benefits. It is hard enough for those who qualify to get them.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Oct 5 at 2022 2:45 PM

2022-10-05T14:45:47-04:00

Look at that clown, who cares!

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Oct 5 at 2022 2:46 PM

2022-10-05T14:46:30-04:00

Look at that clown, who cares?

Response by FN Steve Heglmeier made Oct 6 at 2022 4:14 PM

2022-10-06T16:14:25-04:00

I don't know that I "don't care" it's just not worth my time. This life is too short to care about what someone else is doing. Unless that is; they are taking food from the hungry or shelter from the homeless. I will get involved to save someone from injury or death, short of that I have too many others who need my efforts to help them. To me it's all about priorities, and that's not one of mine. To someone else that may be their priority, it's not mine.
I find in life we all seem to operate out of selfishness. People are trying to get attention in this way because they see no other way. The person who cuts you off in traffic is not doing something to personally hurt you, they probably don't even know your name. They just think they can get to where they are going faster if they were in front of you.

Selfishness is at the core of human nature. Whether we realize it or not, we seem to ask the question of ourselves, "What will I get out of it?". It's not often a conscious question.

I have to consciously ask myself the questions; "How can my actions bless someone else?" and "Will what I'm about to do or say bring joy to them?".

So many times I let my selfish nature override my overwhelming desire to bring joy and blessings to others. It's usually when I'm in a hurry or on a schedule. I let the excuse that someone is expecting me at a certain time, derail what I want to be the theme of my life. What I must do is take the responsibility to leave early enough that I have time to stop and help someone else. So my question becomes, "How will confronting one I know has errors in his uniform, (so is probably involved in stolen valor,) make anyone else's life better?
Or does it just make me feel better about myself?

I matter to God and so do you, and that's enough for me. Rom 10:9, now that's what Love is!

God loves you and has a plan for your life. Jer 29:11. Be blessed!

Response by SPC Michael Budzinski made Oct 7 at 2022 4:14 AM

2022-10-07T04:14:43-04:00

Because most have mental health problems and need help not a hanging. As soon as I hear Navy Seal or Special Forces a big red flag goes up. I never benefited from the service. My DD214 has the wrong dates, MOS, rank and medals. They can have mine if helps get help.

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Oct 7 at 2022 9:58 AM

2022-10-07T09:58:57-04:00

I have to admit that it bothers me somewhat when someone claims to be a vet, but their stories don't add up - usually "I was a SEAL...or Ranger...or SF, etc.". Funnily enough none of these people ever claimed to have stacked blankets in Camp Swampy.
When somebody asks me what I did in the Army, I tell them one of the few who wasn't Special Forces...it usually gets a chuckle.

Response by PVT Robert Cameron made Oct 7 at 2022 2:23 PM

2022-10-07T14:23:35-04:00

Look, I have issues with people who steal valor. And I don't care about how you got your discharge. But if you got a Dishonorable discharge and try to claim being a veteran then I have an issue. Dishonorable discharge means you pissed on my flag and everyone who's died defending her. And if I catch you trying to play the veteran card, I'm going to hurt you. And I am a veteran I served twice, yeah, I'm still pissed the VA doesn't except the national guard as veterans. But go ahead and piss me off. I'll still beat your ass and definitely defend my flag.

Response by LCDR Roger Hoover made Oct 10 at 2022 2:42 PM

2022-10-10T14:42:40-04:00

I was a young adult in the seventies and when being an active duty military or veteran was not honored by the "hippie" civilian public with military personnel often being spit upon. My family and friends then asked me why I wanted to join such an organization with such public conflict. Today I am proud that I made my own decision with me being a retired veteran and able to hold my head high with the general public thanking me for my service. The imposters are only obvious counterfeits, glory seekers, and losers who are usually not difficult to identify. Those of us who were there do not need to sell our successes. It lies within our aura, often referred to as "military bearing". Sometimes imitation is the best form of flattery and if the fakes get a discount at Denney's, I lose no sleep over it.

Response by PO3 Bobby Quisenberry made Oct 10 at 2022 5:34 PM

2022-10-10T17:34:55-04:00

Phonies glorify the military and war and so want to be recognized as glorious. They have a real self esteem problem. They watch too many Rambo movies and want to identify with the unreality of things. I was a SEABEE during Vietnam and was working as a civilian after my discharge at the NNSY in 1982 and one of my coworkers found out I was a SEABEE and said, "That's what I always wanted to be!" I told him, "You want to work in shit places, 12 hours a day, 6 1/2 days a week in the sweltering heat, sun, rain and humidity." At that time, we made so little money that enlisted married couples w/ kids couldn't survive without food stamps. It was far below minimum wage. We did some of the dirtiest work imaginable and under the most miserable conditions. I think we were close because of the misery we suffered together. I got picked up later at Little Creek to work for the SEALs because of my military background for 16 1/2 years, and got to know a lot of SEALs and some of the old timers pretty intimately. I was at the airport one day going through the carry on check in luggage when I saw this guy behind me had several items of luggage with Tridents on them and so I told him I worked at Little Creek for the SEALs and I asked him what Team he was with. He looked startled and said he was an old timer during Vietnam. Hell, he was in grade school when that ended. I just thought, "What an idiot." These people who steal valor are mentally unstable and have very low self esteem. I always believed what the German Reformer Martin Luther once said, "A shoe maker making a good pair of shoes to the glory of God was just as important as the mightiest Pope." I'm sure Luther changed his view on the pope being of any significance later on when he said this, but you get the idea!

Response by SGT Jose Rosa made Oct 10 at 2022 9:02 PM

2022-10-10T21:02:33-04:00

I find more suspect in the character of veterans who let their feathers be ruffled by stolen valor than that of the pretenders.

Your valor isn't material in the fabric of the uniform. Its your own, only needing acknowledgement by ones self

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Oct 10 at 2022 10:44 PM

2022-10-10T22:44:22-04:00

I wear my caps, T-shirts and some other gear because I earned the right to do so. You wanna play make believe to get some bennies, let the legal system deal with you. You some kind of asshat that says I need to prove something to you, bite me bitch!! If my DL isn’t good enough then I don’t want what you offer! I don’t go around asking for anything so if it’s offered I’m grateful but I don’t think I should prove it. All the fakers are just making things bad for us but the ones just handing out discounts are the ones taking the biggest hit.

Response by MAJ Christopher Thompson made Oct 11 at 2022 2:24 PM

2022-10-11T14:24:37-04:00

Deletion, due to Rally Point double system post. See above.

Response by MAJ Christopher Thompson made Oct 11 at 2022 2:29 PM

2022-10-11T14:29:27-04:00

Ask the individual to conduct a FOIA request, if they are concerned. If they do not understand the term or procedure, they are uninformed. If the service member, veteran, or retiree is in proximity to their vehicle and has proper military license plates, point to the direction. Your privacy is important, and not their business. This INCLUDES social media. DO NOT show identification unless required for official reasons or medical care. I only make corrections, when absolutely necessary, due to ignorance or excessive public disruption in attempts to spread misinformation. Experienced service members can identify other military immediately.

Response by MSgt Robert E. M. made Oct 24 at 2022 9:33 AM

2022-10-24T09:33:46-04:00

October 31, is near. But to do this is an unlawful act, in times of peace or war. Please don't get us wrong. But are we really in the land of the free or is there anyone above the law?

Response by SP5 Edward Klee made Nov 8 at 2022 1:31 PM

2022-11-08T13:31:34-05:00

Facts and proof equal the truth.
Without the proof , who has a chance of receiving any benefits. I know plenty of people who deserve it , not receive benefits. So where is that happening ?
Now has anyone ever heard that Mimickry is the best form of flattery.. well you have kids who play soldier.. now we have adults doing it.. Remember.. fact + proof = the truth ... i dont mind showing my id or prove... to prove i am who i say i am. Maybe help educate the public , so theyre no so easily tricked.

Response by SSG Duane Spivey made Nov 11 at 2022 7:12 AM

2022-11-11T07:12:59-05:00

Anyone that doesn't care about Stolen Valor is someone that doesn't care about themselves, America, or the Nation this individual has no Pride or Honor and is just simply existing and going through the motions in life with no purpose and contributes nothing to society.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2022 7:57 AM

2022-11-11T07:57:40-05:00

It's not that I don't care about stolen valor, but I don't think it's nearly as common as some would think it is. That and often those that get the most worked up about it, haven't really done that much them selves.

Response by SN Richard Page made Nov 11 at 2022 4:30 PM

2022-11-11T16:30:26-05:00

SFC, I'm not about to ever grill anyone over how or where or if they actually served. The folks telling big stories are generally full of shit, and most folks know that already. They guys that have "been there, done that" are generally quiet about it.

Response by MSgt Jd Thomas made Nov 12 at 2022 9:10 AM

2022-11-12T09:10:25-05:00

Those that didn't serve and claim they did are generally easy to spot and ferret out. They are mostly harmless idiots that deserve nothing more than being laughed at and dismissed. I know FAR too many vets that served in theater (behind the wire) and claim PTSD and many others that claim sports or age related injuries as "service related" and spend their days fighting the VA for 100% disability.....those are the ones that get me wadded up. Those are the ones that have a very real negative impact on stretched resources.

Response by TSgt Robert Holmes made Nov 12 at 2022 11:30 AM

2022-11-12T11:30:08-05:00

I do care. However, an individual cannot be the heretic hunter, inquisition arbiter not assignor of the scarlet letter. Sadly, it is not against the law to pose as a phony. Using fraud to punk the system for monetary gain is illegal but what happened at the vetting process.? Stolen Valor by Burkett & Whitley is excellent read on the subject. If the media and public don't care this will continue. All we can do is to keep them out of any veteran related organizations. They walk the halls of Congress unabashed and get re-elected. Some have gone on the Secretary of State.

Response by AB Gregg Johnson made Nov 12 at 2022 7:26 PM

2022-11-12T19:26:39-05:00

Shame on them!

Response by CSM Earnie Holifield made Nov 13 at 2022 12:35 PM

2022-11-13T12:35:20-05:00

Most importantly you/we have to understand "Stolen Valor", or better stated the definition of it. When then Pres. Bush sign the Stolen Valor law, it stood for a couple of years (IIRC). A guy in San Francisco was apparently arrested for wearing a MoH and was prosecuted for it. The case went before the Supreme Court and the law as written was struct down. It seems that you can wear, say and or represent anything you want (freedom of Speech/expression issue). Do now the law is, as has been mentioned in some of the comments, you can only be prosecuted for Stolen Valor if your claims some how get you benefits, money etc. The rest is just some piece of crap trying to be something they are not. Didn't say I like it, just what it is. regards, CSM-H

Response by SSG Jon Holcomb made Nov 13 at 2022 7:09 PM

2022-11-13T19:09:20-05:00

I usually don't say anything unless it's blatant and they're trying to get something for nothing.
That being said, I've been accused because, a part of my tbi issue is a difficulty processing details and especially names. A thought or answer may come to me randomly regarding a question I was asked I couldn't answer when asked. Fortunately, the last time this happened some vets I served with were kind enough to set the person (also a veteran) straight. Be careful, Semper Gumby, and lead from a positive foot.

Response by 1SG Ron Schlatter made Nov 14 at 2022 10:46 AM

2022-11-14T10:46:28-05:00

I do care about stolen valor however I won’t police it. Several years ago I got into a heated argument by a poser! He demanded to know if I was a veteran. I responded yes I was and that he should mind his own business. That was when it escalated. I took out my retired ID which he said was fake. I needed a discharge paper. So I asked do you want to see my DD-214? He said no. I want to see your discharge papers. I laughed and walked away. Idiots like this one need to stay in their lane.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Nov 16 at 2022 12:22 PM

2022-11-16T12:22:07-05:00

Those phonies don't affect me so it's just not worth my time and effort to confront them. I don't use the term "Stolen Valor" because valor can't be stolen. Those who served honorably and those who made the ultimate sacrifice earned their valor and it can never be stolen.

In the case of someone fraudulently claiming benefits, they are committing a crime and should be reported and prosecuted to the maximum extant of the law.

Response by SPC David Young made Nov 16 at 2022 7:15 PM

2022-11-16T19:15:19-05:00

I know of 2 such individuals who both live within an hour of me.
The first one at least served in the Army at one point. He was a deadbeat dad who thought he could escape his obligation here at home by joining the Army and going away. The local Family Court sent a notice to his chain of command and had his paycheck garnished. Then he got in some trouble and was chaptered out about a year later anyway. He never made it past E4 but came home wearing an E6 chevron and claims he was medically discharged after being wounded in Iraq. That never happened. I know this guy's family and I can excuse him to a point but the second one is a complete fraud. He claims that he was US Army Special Forces and was stationed at Fort Benning and was honorably discharged as a Sergeant after serving 4 years. What's the issue? After asking a couple of questions, I found out that he didn't know what the terms E5, 11B or MOS meant! How do you serve four years in the US Army and not know that!? I was accused of being a bully when I started pointing out the holes in their stories. All I did in both cases was politely tell them "No, it doesn't work like that. Stop trying to claim something you didn't earn. It's a slap in the face to those who did!"
Surprisingly, they both gave the same excuse. "Well, I'm not hurting anyone. Mind your business!"
Now, I just shake my head and walk away. I'm getting the idea that nobody else cares.

Response by PO1 Mark Koenig made Nov 17 at 2022 10:18 AM

2022-11-17T10:18:47-05:00

You have made a statement that is a presupposition.
In other words, speak for yourself. All of us care.

Response by AA Larry Kelly made Nov 17 at 2022 2:25 PM

2022-11-17T14:25:21-05:00

The supreme court has ruled it was constitutionally protected free speech which we all swore to uphold and defend. I don't particularly like it but I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it. Pretending to be something you're not only says you have no self esteem. As long as they're not taking money away from vets that need it then leave them alone. They'll eventually get caught and embarrass themselves.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2022 2:48 PM

2022-11-18T14:48:47-05:00

Wow. lol

Response by PFC Daniel Denton made Nov 19 at 2022 1:24 AM

2022-11-19T01:24:27-05:00

Primarily, May 7th and doing my own homework is the biggest reason. But honestly, real recognizes real. Imitation is the best form of flattery some say. It isn't like a civilian that never served can fake hearing loss for 30% in free food.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Nov 19 at 2022 8:22 AM

2022-11-19T08:22:07-05:00

It's a sense of pride, but that pride needs to be held with selfless service. Calling people out and trying to 1 up them is the culture. I don't mind the obvious ones, but it's the blatant disrespect for the US true vets.

I don't carry, wear or display anything bringing attention to my service time

Response by CW3 John Conwell made Nov 19 at 2022 2:30 PM

2022-11-19T14:30:08-05:00

To tell you the truth I'm more concerned about actual Vets wearing rank and awards they hadn't earned.

Response by CPL Stephen Hemmert made Nov 20 at 2022 11:10 AM

2022-11-20T11:10:32-05:00

Do you know what is worse than this "Stolen Valor" commentary and not mentioned once is the total failure of a male veteran to acknowledge or even recognize my veteran wife. Me? 75. Her 71. She was in the Women's Army Corp (1969-1971). We met at Fort Dix and eventually married there. She and I can be standing together, even on Veterans Day, each wearing a baseball cap and tee shirt. Me, in a 196th Light Infantry Brigade tee shirt and baseball cap. Her in a Women's Army Corp tee and baseball cap. I get the acknowledgement from civilians and veterans, and, they look right past her. I have to put my arm around her and draw her near and affirm "My wife is also a veteran." I know someone who runs a line of bullshit about being some sort of hero, caught in lies and has a wife who believes it all. He knows my wife and I know he is full of crap and stays away from us. So, what is worse? The stolen valor guys taken to task or the hundreds of fellow veterans looking right past my wife of fifty plus years? I think you know what I think is worse.

Response by Sgt Tom Gainer made Nov 20 at 2022 5:09 PM

2022-11-20T17:09:22-05:00

Ya I was wearing a Marine Corps T-shirt this past summer and some young turd came up to me and started running off at the mouth about “well who did you serve with, when, is that your shirt etc”. I politely told him that in fact I was a Marine combat infantry vet while giving him the 1000 yard stare. He turned and walk away. Don’t put up with that type of crap.

Those who impersonate a vet especially if they have managed to get benefits from it should be dealt with swiftly with little to no mercy. You want whatever benefits come from having served, then sign the dotted line.

Response by PFC Edgar Mosier made Nov 20 at 2022 9:41 PM

2022-11-20T21:41:23-05:00

What of Valor deniers?
Those that would demean an Honorably Discharged Veteran, especially if the Vet were Service-Connected Disabled?
What if those demeaning bassards were elected swore-in local politicians, especially claiming to be Republican?

You want to know what I mean?

I worked hard for Marion County Board of County Commissioners, when the VA put me on oxygen therapy, the MCBCC "Medically Terminated " me and while the EEOC's Chief Investigator, a "veteran" too, couldn't issue them an exoneratation, he wouldn't press them for the Discrimination they contemptuously display, here in Florida.

Valor can be legally stolen, legally denied, even when the US Government is involved...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2022 11:22 AM

2022-11-21T11:22:54-05:00

Seen too many awards authorized for BS, and too many deserving troops get no recognition.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2022 10:18 AM

2022-11-22T10:18:59-05:00

What’s the old saying, there were 152 SEALs in Vietnam and I’ve met 300 of them. That being said, some of these bro vets running around challenging older veterans are just as bad when they embellish the shit out of their service, grow an operator beard and wear nothing but grunt style shirts and want you to be courteous with your fireworks because of their PTSD even though they were a cook or mechanic on a FOB that never got hit and they never left the wire.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Nov 24 at 2022 10:40 AM

2022-11-24T10:40:45-05:00

This may seem like a stretch, but it reminds me of the troops coming home from Viet Nam, and always talking about being mistreated. When you say wrongfully receiving benefits, are you talking about something like discounts?

Response by PO3 Justin Bowen made Dec 5 at 2022 2:48 PM

2022-12-05T14:48:14-05:00

The same thing that makes me not care if people who aren't garbage men claim to be garbage men.
The same thing that makes me not care if people who aren't low-level managers at a bank claim to be low-level managers.
The same thing that makes me not care if people who aren't factory workers at a widget manufacturing plant claim that they're factory workers.

We were or are all just contract DOD employees. We negotiated and signed a contract and then either upheld our end of the contract or didn't. There's nothing more special about us than there is about any other person. Another person claiming to be a vet has exactly no impact on me. At all.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Jan 14 at 2023 9:39 AM

2023-01-14T09:39:02-05:00

I have known at least one person guilty. He was a harmless old man; I ignored him. I have been challenged because I have always opposed Trump and called him a traitor. I had my ID card, but he was not satisfied because I did not believe as he did. Finally, I realized the problem was his, and I walked away.

Response by LCpl Zac Ashdown made Jan 22 at 2023 11:28 AM

2023-01-22T11:28:59-05:00

If ANYONE, I don’t care if it’s a four star in uniform, asked me for proof of my service, I PROMISE, the least of what he would walk away with is a laugh from me. No one owes anyone proof. You can make fun of, laugh at, etc. but the risk of doing that to
Someone that did earn the honor the right way is worse than the person maybe claiming something they did not earn. So moral of the story don’t be upset if you walk up to the wrong vet and walk away in worse shape and a little less arrogant.

Response by LCpl Zac Ashdown made Jan 22 at 2023 11:37 AM

2023-01-22T11:37:02-05:00

If you are a veteran and not in the service or if you’re full of shit, you’re not in service either way, active duty, non-active duty, public official, anyone at all, No one has the right to say you cannot say whatever you want to. If you voted for or gave money to someone who claimed they were a veteran and were not, you should’ve done more research. He’s not guilty of stolen valor, He’s guilty of fraud at that point. Stolen valor isn't a crime and other than just giving someone a hard time and risking doing that to someone who truly is a veteran there’s nothing you can do.

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made Jan 22 at 2023 1:36 PM

2023-01-22T13:36:31-05:00

A man and his wife rented a home near me. He received a General Discharge from the Navy. He resorted to alcohol and drugs. He could find no job and he was sent to prison for awhile. He came back to his wife, but decided that he would stand on street corners with badges and trophies he did not earn to scrape up enough money to continue supporting his old habits. I offered to take him to church; he agreed to go, but never would. Soon, he became hospitalized multiple times for his addictions. The ambulance arrived at his house about every three days. Finally, he died.

When we go through trials and tribulations, I refuse to be your judge. We all have enough problems of our own to sort through and weed out. What men need is a hand up, not another black mark on their life. They have already done exactly what it took to get them where they are without me interfering at all. We all reap what we sow. God sees to it. Better to sow the best in others so that we reap the best in ourselves.

Response by Capt Michael Wilford made Jan 22 at 2023 7:50 PM

2023-01-22T19:50:28-05:00

What I don’t care for are all the ignorant and just plain stupid people who think they know what stolen valor is when they don’t. They think that stolen valor is a Veteran just wearing the uniform or a ribbon or medal out of regs or out of order of precedence. Stolen valor is a lot more than that and a little bit of research would do these sea going lawyers some good. Stolen valor is claiming to have served, or claiming to have earned ribbons or medals for some type of financial gain. Just having a uniform item out of place, a ribbon or medal out of place, or not recalling a detail, does not constitute stolen valor most of the time.

Response by PO2 Tom Hauser made Jan 23 at 2023 12:05 AM

2023-01-23T00:05:29-05:00

We had a situation when I was still in the blue water before I went into the Brown Water Navy and in transit at Subic Bay - my ship was due to arrive from its homeport of Concord (USS Rainier AE-5) and I was waiting to report aboard for a WESTPAC deployment in early 1967. Since at my last duty station I served as a SP attached to an Armed Forces Police detachment at Taichung, Taiwan the Master-at-Arms made me a SP and I patrolled the transit barracks (basically fire watch). There was this one obnoxious sailor who I observed wearing a blue working jacket with lots of Dive patches including those of EOD/UDT that checked into our barracks. A year later I myself would be at Coronado for SERE training and Conter-Insurgency training etc. prior to deploying to Phu Bai, RVN with a Navy detachment in 1968. Anyway, unbeknown to this PO3 my transit barracks had a bunch of real Navy divers EOD/UDT (not SEALs) waiting to deploy to DaNang. When a group of them saw this clown I paused to wait for their reaction. I didn't have long to wait - they confronted him and then immediately cut off all those patches on that jacket with their MK3 Ontario dive knifes this asshole was wearing that he didn't rate. One of the younger divers looked at me like I was going to write them up but I just smiled and said "if you don't rate it don't wear it" - and I walked away to check on another barracks. So, basically my point of view would be if you don't rate it don't wear it - as far as confronting veterans once you are out of the military - that's not my job. As to these assholes that use a military uniform in a derogatory manner - you should take a look at the news video of the Peace protest marches in the 1960's - you will see some veterans marching wearing their medals on their G.I. issued Cammos and Olive Drab BDU's (some like me did two tours in Vietnam) that came home to a country divided and pissed off at and disrespecting the military - those veterans marching earned those medals but you don't wear medals on BDUs. They were sending a message to the politicians.
The same shit happened to my Wounded Warrior son who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and Somalia with SOF CENTCOM. We won the battles but lost the fucking wars because of shit for brains corrupt senile politicians like Biden and that cluster fuck racist SECDEF and the Democrat Cancel Culture puffboys who want to give China a heads up if we attack at JCOS. So, remembering back to those years I punched out a few assholes - one Hare Krishna at the San Francisco airport and one at the San Diego airport who hassled me about my unform when I was heading home on leave. People who disrespect the uniform disgrace themselves as do those people who engage in false valor. No one is fooled - they are an embarrassment to themselves and to those of us who served honorably. I get a kick out of seeing some of these Hollywood movies with these celebs decked out in ribbons from the wrong war or not in the correct order - you know immediately if they had a squared away military advisor aboard keeping their shit straight or not.

Response by SSG Jerry Chlarson made Jan 23 at 2023 12:12 PM

2023-01-23T12:12:10-05:00

The simple fact that most people who are “Stealing Valor” have some type of mental health issue. It’s not that big of a deal.

Now, if you’re taking advantage of and making a profit from it, that’s not Mental Health, that’s just plain ol’ human greed. We as a Nation of laws have a cure for that. Prosecution.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jan 23 at 2023 12:18 PM

2023-01-23T12:18:24-05:00

I don't carry any proof I earned the medals wear. War Story Time. I was stationed in Iceland. I worked with an E3 [yes, I said E3] who was awarded an Air Medal for saving a pilot from a burning plane. Most E3s may get an Achievement Medal for something they did. Are you going to question him on his award?

Response by MSgt Ray Carlson made Jan 24 at 2023 4:18 PM

2023-01-24T16:18:00-05:00

I started as a Sailor and retired as an Air Force Master Sergeant. I was an SP (now SF) and specialized in Air Base Defense so I rarely wore my ribbons or medals. But when I did, I had a couple of interesting conversations over the years about why I was wearing certain awards. Lol I recently was approached by a retired Army Sgt Major who questioned why I had on a ball cap that said retired AF but was green instead of blue. When I told him I was a retired SP MSgt he asked "Is that Air Force MSgt?" He questioned me about all manner of things and when rank came up he would ask "Is that Air Force Staff Sgt?, etc." He had on a Vietnam Veteran hat so I laughed and said, "Let me buy you a cup of coffee, Sergeant Major and you can tell me about your time in Nam. I missed that one by a couple of years." Lol

Response by Sgt Dale Boston made Jan 24 at 2023 7:37 PM

2023-01-24T19:37:48-05:00

They are in our societies and culture, we as a people will vote for a Dog if you put a (R) by his name. (George Santos admits to lying about bio, but says he still intends to serve in Congress).who voted for him and the other ones that can care less about our country, or the American people.

Response by Sgt Dale Boston made Jan 24 at 2023 7:38 PM

2023-01-24T19:38:29-05:00

Response by SSG Jonathan Edwards made Jan 25 at 2023 6:33 PM

2023-01-25T18:33:25-05:00

Where we live, we have a very tight Veteran community ranging from an O-7 to an E-2. We eat, drink and joke together... We are a tight outfit across the branches of service.

So when a newcomer walks in and spouts his mouth off, we always ask..... Where is your DD-214? We all agree: DD-214 is the most verifiable way to discern Stolen Valor.

Phonies get beat up in our Social Club. Shunned by the staff and generally humiliated. If you are worth your salt (except my elderly Brother and Sister vets), you should have either your retirement card, VA card or DD-214. No excuse for Stolen Valor whether you are E-1 to O-10.

In fact, don't come to Galveston, Texas with Stolen Valor..... We are always looking and watching.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 29 at 2023 3:43 PM

2023-01-29T15:43:31-05:00

I'm getting too old to care. When I spot one, I stare them till they look at me and they always do. Vet have an eye look and these morons know the look. I will shake my head! For some reason they always beat feet. They know they got caught! I know they know not worth the bull Anymore!

Response by MSG Lonnie Averkamp made Jan 30 at 2023 8:22 PM

2023-01-30T20:22:45-05:00

Before berets were universally adopted in the Army, a civilian fellow with a beard and wearing a combination of Vietnam pattern camo jungle fatigues and a black beret (rather improperly) approached me at a military display and stated that he was a Medal of Honor winner. I was skeptical, as he was dressed pretty-much like a "poser", but I was polite and didn't challenge him. Come to learn later that this was Gary Wetzel, and he DID earn the M.O.H. I guess that the Lord gave me the good sense to not embarrass him or myself.

Response by TSgt Ken Vandevoort made Feb 11 at 2023 12:22 AM

2023-02-11T00:22:39-05:00

I actually had the opposite happen to me. I had gone to a museum presentation on the Civil War and several of us hung around afterward to talk to the presenter. Another fellow commented to me that I must be ex-military and I wanted to kinow what made him think that. He told me that I was standing there waiting at parade rest.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Feb 11 at 2023 7:23 PM

2023-02-11T19:23:18-05:00

What Makes ME Not Care...?
THAT'S EASY:
.... I Just Feel Badly That Some People Have To Lie About Who They Are,
For The SOLE Purpose Of Making Themselves Feel Better For Whom THEY Are.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Feb 17 at 2023 9:36 PM

2023-02-17T21:36:39-05:00

Personally I don't feel that at 71 years old, that I am the police of stolen Valor. If the offense was heinous enough I would report it to the authorities. If someone is getting a 10% discount at the local burger joint because they don't check. Not my concern. Most discounts as an example, want some kind of proof of service. They have never asked me for any type of proof. So who's fault is that?
Bigger fish!

Response by Darren Thomas made Feb 23 at 2023 3:19 PM

2023-02-23T15:19:22-05:00

Always want to get in the service but damn minor disabilities kept me out, even had water squirted in my ears(have very bad ears) sat right through it and tried roughing it out but seems the body can’t lie!!! Started sweating profusely Room spun round and round!!!! Have a mild form of cerebral palsy plus trigeminal neuralgia. But couple of guys I know said I would have been a great soldier. All I can add is it is all about honor and integrity and what comes around goes around!! They will get there rear ends stomped one day!!!!!

Response by MSG Steve Jones made Apr 1 at 2023 11:39 PM

2023-04-01T23:39:42-04:00

If an individual never served, they should not be allowed to gain fame or wealth by falsifying their credentials about military service.

The service members on active duty that wear the uniform in such a way it dishonors the uniform are the real service connected shitheads we should go after. That will pass me off quicker than anything.

Response by Kathie Costos made Apr 2 at 2023 8:32 AM

2023-04-02T08:32:04-04:00

Righteous anger with absolutely no self-control. How many times have we seen the accusers filming themselves, showing off their power to humiliate someone? They are doing it to get attention for themselves. I am appalled by those pretending to have what they did not earn but I am equally appalled by those seeking to reward themselves by attacking others when they do not know what the truth is. Hold the frauds accountable, but the video vigilantes should be held accountable too.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Apr 2 at 2023 8:31 PM

2023-04-02T20:31:05-04:00

SFC (Verify To See), Personally, how can any veteran not care about stolen valor. If someone, Veteran or not, wants to claim valor that isn't theirs to claim - IT DOES matter. If a veteran wants to decorate (BTW, nice photo) their uniform with unearned awards - that's fraud. If they served and had the opportunity to volunteer to do something that took the kind of guts that they didn't have - but decorated their uniform to show that they did that gutsy deed - that's fraud. Someone that never wore the uniform and wears clothing that declares that they did serve - that's fraud.
I believe we ALL have the right to LOVE AMERICA. For those good citizens who respect and observe the laws of our Country, I have the right to love them back, regardless of what else they may or may not have done to protect and serve the rest of us. I totally agree with you relative to those who fraudulently receive benefits that they did not earn. The same goes to those who claim non-military benefits that should be given to others - not them.

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Apr 2 at 2023 10:39 PM

2023-04-02T22:39:20-04:00

Any time I have ever seen one of the people that steal valor they look like a pathetic shell of a human being, crestfallen, shame in their eyes, so low they had to steal something they could not honor themselves and their country by achieving it on their own. I don't get angry, I feel pity for them, then I am angry about their disrespect they have shown to those who wrote that blank check and walked the walk. But I will go one further, there are those who did serve but yet still steal valor by pretending to be whom they never were...why not be proud of the service you performed? Be proud of who you were and what you did, whether it was infantry, or air service, or sea service, be proud of what you accomplished as so few in life ever do what we did. I was a missile tech and served on one of the 41 for Freedom, SSBN 624 Gold Crew...I started life wanting to be SEAL, but poor vision and a good brain pan lead me to SWSE, nuclear weapons, and submarine service and that is stone cold cool to me. I wanted to carry a gun and blow shit up, and I got the opportunity to carry the biggest gun in history and my job was to never blow shit up, deterrence, and we brought Ivan to his knees in the Cold War without firing a single shot. Job well done. Looks like we now have to go clean that Soviet Zombie mess up again. Enough of a rant...stolen valor dirt bags are pathetic, but we need to stop others from harassing veterans...someone demands proof of my service they can f*** off, I don't need to prove anything as I lived it and don't give a rats ass what some jack leg on the street thinks, but I will step in anytime I see someone harassing someone else demanding "proof"

Response by SPC Rhonda B made Apr 3 at 2023 2:40 PM

2023-04-03T14:40:24-04:00

The problem seems to be that I do care. I recently reported someone for Stolen Valor to the proper VA Hotline office in Nashville, but was told if the person hasn't received benefits for the Stolen Valor, they really couldn't do anything. This person at my work, Joseph, has tried on several occasions to qualify as a Veteran due to his 2 years college ROTC. He was kicked out after his sophomore year because he flunked out of the 30 day summer camp necessary for ROTC. His dad of the same name recently passed away and Joseph applied for a copy of his dad's DD214 and received it. He took it to DMV and now sports an Honorably Discharged license plate. The DMV confirmed it checked the DD214 and since the first/last names were the same, they issued a Veteran license plate. Why is the Stolen Valor hotline only concerned with those who are receiving monetary benefits from the VA and not those receiving other benefits due to Stolen Valor? There are other benefits Joseph is receiving due to having a license plate and DD214 with his dad's name on it. His dad served 27 years honorably but Joseph never served, not one day. He even attempted to claim Veteran status at his current employer with the US Postal Service.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Apr 6 at 2023 9:52 AM

2023-04-06T09:52:20-04:00

"CONCHO,
Se Parese Como Noriega....
El Ultimo de los Pendejos Latinos!

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Apr 6 at 2023 11:51 AM

2023-04-06T11:51:48-04:00

The LTC below summed it up best--"...I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with this culture of SMs or Vets walking up to people and demanding proof of service..."
First off it isn't any of your DAMN business what I did or what I was awarded.
Secondly, no one in that right mind cares around a copy of the DD214.
Thirdly, if you want to see what I was awarded LOOK AT MY CAR TAG!!
Lastly, I served my country, received recognition for it. If I want to wear a ribbon on my lapel, so be it. It isn't any of your concern who I received it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2023 7:29 PM

2023-04-11T19:29:30-04:00

I am going to answer in the opposite direction. I care, but my problem comes with those trolls that berate you when you answer a question that has to do with your military experience. For instance, I requested some information on Quora a few years ago. The information I requested had to do with a process I was undergoing. Four (4) people that told that they were once "commanders" in the US Army attempted to belittle me and my situation. These people were no more 'commanders" than I am a janitor. When they heard about what I was fighting, they banded together and essentially engaged in 'victim bshing.' Commanders, actual commanders have the tact to give advice without attempting to make the victim look like the wrongdoer. One of there four goes by the handle of Kevin Rice, the other has an actual picture of Powell as his portrait. I reported all 4 to Quora, but Quora did nothing. Commanders don't get their jollies from bashing victims. I know I am not the only one to experience this. Those of us who were actually in the military and who were actual commanders had to make choices that we wished we never had to make. Yet the pretenders jump on those of us who have been victimized because they see easy prey. They don't understand PTSD or related issues because they were never in the position to do so. I have fought an illegal separation for 15 years now and have no intention of giving up. But I don't suffer trolls who were never in or other pretenders, because some of us still suffer Every. Single. Day until the Board of Corrections fixes the problems that certain personnel in the US Army caused and then tried to wash their hands of accountability from.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Apr 11 at 2023 8:28 PM

2023-04-11T20:28:09-04:00

I'm a woman. Guys been stealing our valor for millenia.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2023 8:58 AM

2023-04-12T08:58:45-04:00

Good Morning Everyone,

I would blow off anyone asking me when, where or time of my service that was not known to me. SMs or Vets don’t have any right to investigate another former defender of our country or imposters. If they are concerned about someone, then report them to the appropriate party and do not engage.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Apr 12 at 2023 11:55 AM

2023-04-12T11:55:15-04:00

I do feel that Stolen Valor needs to be exposed, but it is not anyones job to go looking for it. If it is susspected, remain respectful. You may be wrong. One thing I have seen, is the people who truly did heroic things are usually the most humble and will speak of it almost never. If someone is bragging about heroism, listen for details that may lead to the truth.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Apr 12 at 2023 4:43 PM

2023-04-12T16:43:02-04:00

I did multiple deployments abroad and proudly wore the American flag on my right shoulder each time on behalf of our GREAT nation. Most recently, I saw several young men wearing the American flag on the right sleeve of their t shirts. I asked it they are serving. They said, "No, we have a right to wear this." So I politely asked why is the American flag worn "backwards" on the right shoulder? They replied, "We didn't know that it was, but it is backwards." The American flag is worn backwards on the right shoulder because an American service member doesn't run from the fight, but to it! I agree with SFC Galvan. Why wouldn't you care after all we and those before us have sacrificed?

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made Apr 24 at 2023 2:41 AM

2023-04-24T02:41:31-04:00

Every time I see Blumenthal, I always say "War Hero", piece of Garbage. I made a point to put envelope with copies of Orders and 214 on back of Shadow Box for Medals and other Awards. I am perfect Target for Stolen Valor, Commo, Wire Rat first Tour, 65-66, then 70-73, Door Gunner, MACV, JMC. Door Gunner for example had over 25 Missions, AM, but not School Trained, wore Air Crew on Active Duty, but never had orders (600-106 over 15 missions). After got out had 214 amended for Air Crew Badge. If I was challenged sometimes have short term mem loss due to surgery and also get dates confused as I hopped around a lot. Avitar is me, Oct 65, Insertion "Iron Triangle", was still 17. Thats on Page 34 Life Magazine, Oct 22, 1965, Mary Martain Edition (Her on Cover)
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Response by PO3 Matthew Clouse made Apr 25 at 2023 1:35 PM

2023-04-25T13:35:26-04:00

I care if a benefit is stolen. If the person want to wear a military outfit with badges, so be it. Of course, if they try to talk the talk when they did not walk the walk, most of us can tell.

Response by PFC Vernita Bennett made May 30 at 2023 1:36 PM

2023-05-30T13:36:45-04:00

Who was in longer stronger paper pic wireless stop we all signed the dotted line e did not make the rules 180 days of service and more overseas tour remember some units was not called over seas and war but still served honorable more decorations go beyond the call of duty dishonorable or other if u served u served

Response by SSG Jack Briggs made Jun 7 at 2023 3:38 AM

2023-06-07T03:38:20-04:00

Just because I find something offensive doesn't give me the right to confront a person and voice my objections or demand some form of documentation authorizing said individual to wear some type of old military clothing .. I find this individual wearing this shirt, with 2nd ID patch, offensive .. but the world is full of offensive things we see every day .. and we don't have a constitutional right to NOT be offended ..

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Jun 24 at 2023 3:03 PM

2023-06-24T15:03:13-04:00

Unless the person is committing fraud by receiving a monetary benefit intended for veterans, I could care less. If I saw that joker out somewhere in public I would ask him if I could take a photo with him. Then immediately text my Bn CSM the picture and wait for the phone to ring.

Response by PO3 Justin Bowen made Jun 25 at 2023 1:37 PM

2023-06-25T13:37:54-04:00

If they are defrauding the government and receiving taxpayer-provided benefits then they're committing a crime that has nothing to do with demeaning current or former military members and everything to do with committing fraud to get something they're not legally entitled to.

If they're defrauding private companies then that's a either a civil matter for the private companies to deal with in court or a criminal matter due to the dollar value of the benefits received. In either case, it's still about receiving something they're not legally entitled to.

If they're simply lying to get recognition and only current and former military members' fragile egos are hurt, what does it even matter? If that's the sole purpose for their actions, the fact that current and former military members are so butthurt that they think something out to be done to prevent people from doing that says more about those people than it does about the hucksters who are falsely claiming to have served.

No matter the case, you as an individual - and even taxpayers as a whole in any noticeable way considering the virtually non-existent impact of these liars in the context of the scale of state and federal budgets - are not really impacted. Move on with your day and let the appropriate people deal with the legal issues.

Response by Sgt Davud Hepner made Jun 25 at 2023 4:44 PM

2023-06-25T16:44:53-04:00

I am not die hard military. I enlisted in the USAF back in 1965, served by time and was honorably discharged in 1969. I am proud of my service and my awards. About the only thing I wear service related daily is my USAF Vietnam Veterans hat. I have a F-105D TEE shirt I wear on special days and shirts honoring the war dead in Memorial Day and Veterans day,

I would not think of claiming rank, and awards to which I was not entitled. That said, there should be punishment for those who do so. I think six months in prison for a first offense sounds about right.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jun 25 at 2023 11:10 PM

2023-06-25T23:10:53-04:00

Oddly enough, the only branch I see valor stolen from has been the Army. Most people are afraid to try it with the Corps, for some weird reason. Most people don't know the difference between Port and Starboard, much less what "Port, Down and Aft" means. As for the AF your vernacular is just as bad.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Jun 26 at 2023 9:38 AM

2023-06-26T09:38:38-04:00

I'm 75 years old and God help the Moron that challenges my service. I might be old but I'm a very proud Vet and I will react. Stolen Valor is something that needs to be addressed by law not individual actions. These clowns are for the most part easily spotted and avoided. I have come across a number of them and just ignore them. Some of them need psychological help and admission to a mental ward.

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Jun 26 at 2023 9:41 AM

2023-06-26T09:41:09-04:00

It is pretty easy to find out a faker. In a mild discussion with someone, you can discuss what their MOS/AFSC was, where were they stationed, funny anecdotes that only Veterans should know. One doesn't have to be confrontational.

Response by SPC Stiv ChenRobbins made Jun 26 at 2023 11:15 AM

2023-06-26T11:15:29-04:00

So I was an excellent medic and, frankly, a not-great soldier. The day I got out I burned my class A uniform, and barely remember what it looked like now. If I had to assemble a proper uniform I would have to dig out my DD214 from the safe deposit box and bring it to someone who actually knew what they were doing.
the only thing beside my stripped-out BDUs I ever wear from my military days is the old gold caduceus, which on Veteran's Day I can discretely use on my current uniform. I certainly can't judge if someone else got it right or wrong, and for the most part if it is obvious I snort and move on.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jun 26 at 2023 11:36 AM

2023-06-26T11:36:36-04:00

If I knew of a phony vet receiveing some benefit or discount, then I would say something and get involved but if it is some idiot kid wearing medals that anyone can see is not deserved then I just walk away. I don't care when a buisness askes for an ID card. I'm glad to show it. When someone with a dependent ID card gets the same benefits that the GI earned, that sucks. I have never been personally harassed about being a legitmate vet but I know that it happens. The world is full of assholes and some are vets.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jun 26 at 2023 12:24 PM

2023-06-26T12:24:52-04:00

I chose to forget and It’s not my business and those of us that have seen combat, up close n personal, know some things are best forgotten…

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jun 26 at 2023 12:27 PM

2023-06-26T12:27:33-04:00

If they want to dress up and play soldier good for them but I’ll always recommend a college education has a higher priority in life ….and they are wasting time not pursuing their education!!!!!

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Jun 26 at 2023 8:05 PM

2023-06-26T20:05:50-04:00

I look at it this way, I don't have a damn thing to prove to some jerk wad that wants to question my military service or awards I earned. They are just out to stir the shit pot and act like they have the moral high ground. Which they do not hold or have.
Like my dad, if he was still alive, would tell them, " you don't even Amount to a pimple on a paratroopers ass; so go f**k off." My dad was a WW II and Korean War combat veteran. With 3 combat jumps in WW II.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Jul 13 at 2023 7:56 PM

2023-07-13T19:56:27-04:00

If you believe someone is commiting fraud to receive VA benefits the individual should be reported to the VA Office of Inspector General. https://www.va.gov/oig/hotline/

OIG Hotline

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Response by PO1 Kenneth Helmick made Aug 13 at 2023 1:37 PM

2023-08-13T13:37:56-04:00

Well, it works like this. I have never personally encountered anyone with a ludicrous "Idi Amin" uniform like that one. If I did, I wouldn't confront them, I would point and laugh. People trying this garbage are all about garnering respect and ridicule is worse than whapping them upside the head. Anyhow, I doubt I could contain the laughter if I tried. In any case, this is so ludicrous that I have to suspect that it is a gag, a parody, or a Halloween costume -- and thus protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution that I swore to uphold. In those situations, I would be laughing again -- with the perpetrator.

I have run into a few individuals making verbal claims that I found highly suspect but, without asking them to produce their service record on the spot (something I certainly couldn't do), there was no definitive way to call them on it. So far, I've never run into anyone claiming to have served on the battleship Nimitz or the aircraft carrier New Jersey -- if that happened, my smart aleck side would reflexively come into play and call them on it but it would certainly be more mocking than condemning.

Response by SGT John Prolo made Aug 14 at 2023 2:43 PM

2023-08-14T14:43:01-04:00

Some E-5 leg Female soldier told me I had stolen Valor right here on Rally Point. With the low IQ caliber soldiers the DOD is letting in these days one has to shake their head in amazement.

Response by TSgt James Sutton made Aug 20 at 2023 3:47 PM

2023-08-20T15:47:07-04:00

Could care less, I didn't join for the medals and recognition...I joined to serve to protect everyone's rights under the constitution....and yes this includes someone who wears uniforms and medals they didn't earn. If it really bothers someone that much...maybe they joined for the wrong reasons?

Response by PO3 Thomas Keeley made Aug 20 at 2023 8:30 PM

2023-08-20T20:30:07-04:00

I have a question I think falls under this topic. I served in the Navy from 3/77 to 3/81. We were told we could not display the National Defense Ribbon for what reason I don’t remember. Is it wrong to display the ribbon in a shadow box for my grandchildren? Thank you….

Response by SPC Steve Willis, PhD made Aug 22 at 2023 3:58 PM

2023-08-22T15:58:28-04:00

If someone is so insecure in themselves that they need to pretend to be a vet, I pity them. But this stolen valor thing is taking on the same feel as how the MeToo movement ended, with accusations flying, many of them false. I’ve got better things to do with my time, attention, and efforts. That being said, if someone is fraudulently obtaining benefits, they should be apprehended, prosecuted, and jailed.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Aug 28 at 2023 2:34 PM

2023-08-28T14:34:48-04:00

More important stuff in my life than to concern myself with someone impersonating a military member. I think if I saw someone trying to take advantage by wearing a uniform in say a store, I'd point it out the store manager that they weren't military because the uniform is all wrong. We had a SrA on his way home on leave wearing command pilot wings. He got busted in the MAC terminal. Keep in mind this was Kadena AB - a major flying base in PACAF. When we got him back to the unit he said he didn't notice the difference and he didn't think anyone would notice.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Sep 14 at 2023 3:53 PM

2023-09-14T15:53:11-04:00

Looks like a bonified West Point grad to me.

Response by PO3 Bobby Quisenberry made Sep 17 at 2023 10:48 AM

2023-09-17T10:48:27-04:00

Who cares and why? The picture is a ridiculous. Obviously a put on bunch of BS by the pretender! It is obvious that he was no veteran or insignificant at best as far as valor. Most people who are valorous couldn't care less. It doesn't effect them. They are not pretentious. Someone pretending to it just makes you shake your head and wonder. It's not worth any effort! People who are valorous are not showy but usually quite humble, not forefront like, look at me. I've known quite a few who were exceptionally valorous in actions, more or less being at the right place at the right time and doing the right thing. The military gives valorous medals fraudulently and neglects the valorous often. The military leadership is as bad as the one who never served. If you're upset about the one and not the other then you have a problem. Corruption comes in all shapes and sizes and I'm more upset with a corrupt government than I would ever be with a pretender. Pretenders mean nothing, real government fraud, corruption and negligence with rewarding wrongfully or not rewarding at all when it should be done, is a much greater problem. That gets into your craw and never goes away.

Response by SPC David C. made Sep 17 at 2023 2:28 PM

2023-09-17T14:28:02-04:00

It's not that I don't care, I just have more important things to do. If they're financially benefitting from it and both lies and the con can be proven, turn it over to the cops. They get paid to deal with that shit and have more resources than I do.

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Sep 18 at 2023 10:40 AM

2023-09-18T10:40:19-04:00

so how are they receiving any benefits without proof of service . other then a free meal at Dennys or IHOP. every thing else requires proof of service. So now it becomes a question of wearing a Hat or a badge or a shirt that states he or she is a vet. Even if you go for the free meal or a discount at home depot you have to show proof of service. If some one ask for proof of service i will tell them you show me yours and I'll show you Mine. Once agene what benefits are Thay get.

Response by SFC Merle Funkhouser made Sep 18 at 2023 10:57 PM

2023-09-18T22:57:02-04:00

I don't care unless they are causing harm, such as money scams. Honestly 90% of them are going to get called out eventually. Liars will forget their lies or someone will hear them say something unbelievable and will talk to others about it to find the truth. I don't mind service members calling them out, but I do mind when they are being arrogant about it. First of all you better be sure especially if it's an older person. Secondly why are you mad about it? Yeah it's b.s. but for the most part it's generally harmless b. s.
It's usually just some loser with no self esteem trying to impress people. Most of the time they aren't even trying to get anything tangible out of it, just an ego boost. They want to be us. Sure call them out it is disrespectful to us, but don't record it and post it if it's just some tool trying to get attention. They are already pathetic no need to make their life even more miserable . Again unless their actions are hurting someone or stealing from someone. Then sure record it but then give it to authorities not youtube. Yes I get it and when this first started to really be a thing when OIF/OEF kicked off and we where losing friends and fellow service members it made me angry also. But after awhile and really thinking about it they are just pathetic people who just want attention. Me wasting my energy embarrassing them in public just gives them the attention they want. I'll tell them they are liars I'll tell them why, but I'm not recording it but I'll make sure the people around them know just in case they are trying to scam them in some way or trying to use the lie to hook up with someone. Honestly most of the time they just aren't worth our time or energy.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Sep 19 at 2023 5:00 PM

2023-09-19T17:00:53-04:00

Yes Sometimes maybe most of the time it is easy to spot stolen valor.
yet there are those who served who are incorrectly accused of stolen valor!
the way I see it, the VA requires proof, here in the state of FL if you bring your DD-214 into the DMV they will put a ( V ) for veteran on your driver license,
to help you get the discounts at Businesses that offer veterans military discounts .

so why should I waste my time and effort on stolen Valor, when the VA AND STATE has made it very difficult for those who are attempting to benefit from stolen Valor, because without a DD-214 you cannot receive aid or benefits , and those attempting to use stolen valor look like idiots without out me even trying.

Response by SPC Max Waller made Sep 19 at 2023 7:00 PM

2023-09-19T19:00:18-04:00

i only care if the impostors or imposters get benefits that legitimate military veterans are entitled. - 3:59 pm Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Tuesday, 19 September 2023

Response by SSG John Smith made Sep 20 at 2023 1:56 PM

2023-09-20T13:56:33-04:00

Stolen Valor needs to be arrested or a bloody nose.

Response by Col Paddy Mc made Sep 22 at 2023 10:21 AM

2023-09-22T10:21:02-04:00

I absolutely care! Willingly defending our country's freedoms and supporting our government's decisions is a selfless act that needs to be preserved at all costs. We had a job applicant who stated on his resume that he was a Marine Corps Officer with a Top Secret SSBI clearance. The hiring official, an Air Force veteran, thought that would impress me because I was a Marine veteran, so she let me know she thought he was a strong candidate, and she ultimately picked him for the job, noting his Marine Corps service in her selection memo. When we learned he was injured before he even began Officer Candidate School (so he never got close to being a Marine, much less an officer), and he never held a clearance, we terminated him for lying about his military service on his resume. This scammer even tried to blame the resume preparer he used, claiming he didn’t review the resume before submitting it. If you see something wrong, DO something about it.

Response by SSG James Bradshaw made Sep 22 at 2023 10:46 AM

2023-09-22T10:46:01-04:00

I am a retired 31BV5H (95BV5H) and during my time, Iʼve saw a couple of examples of this subject. A younger private who was wearing sergeant stripes and major lapel pins on the class A uniform, back in the day. I walked up to hime and stated who I was and that I was a MP. I was in uniform with my MP bassard on.
When I asked for his military id card, he questioned about it and stated that it wasnʼt any of my business! I asked what was his name, rank and serial number. He said, Mr MP I am a Sergeant Major and I out rank you!! And how dare you ask me that question! I apprended him very effortlessly and found that he had just graduated from 11B Basic/AIT from Ft Benning, GA (Ft Moore, GA). He was as dumb as they come. He saw charged and sentence to the brig at Ft Ord, CA for 4 years and drummed out of the Army on a bad conduct discharge.

Response by SSG Shannon Howe made Sep 22 at 2023 9:34 PM

2023-09-22T21:34:56-04:00

For me personally, unless it's obvious that it's fake (like mixing ranks or ribbons incorrectly, etc) then imma mind my own biz. Even when I was AD I was never one to go out of my way to go up to random mfers to "correct" them. My ego doesn't need stroking & unless it's a threat to life or limb, it's not that big of a deal to me. Now if it was MY Soldier or buddy, I'd pull them aside. Otherwise, not my problem or concern.

Response by SSG Shannon Howe made Sep 22 at 2023 9:36 PM

2023-09-22T21:36:22-04:00

And I wish somebody WOULD try to harass another vet in front of me, lol. Idc what you say to or about me, but harassment of another vet is a GO proceeded by a big fat NO!

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Sep 26 at 2023 7:55 AM

2023-09-26T07:55:57-04:00

Ok...... here is my opinion and it will probably piss some people off. I couldn't give a #$$$% about some chump pretending to be a Veteran and getting a free lunch on Nov 11th. But what pisses me off are the Bureaucratic Chumps ripping off American Patriots. Ripping Americans off with Ponzi Schemes and using the Corrupt Media to propagandize it. Corrupt Politicians ripping of America by being elected by campaigning on Issues but will NEVER do anything about it. Stolen Valor? There are probably a few Politicians that lied about their Service actions and yet they continue to win elections. God Bless

Response by SMSgt Charles Olson made Sep 28 at 2023 6:26 AM

2023-09-28T06:26:53-04:00

Once, when I was traveling through the Los Angeles airport, I had a lady with a baby telling me to stop as she had something to tell me. I kept on walking, trying to ignore her, but then she started yelling at me. I never found out what she wanted to say and I didn't want any conflict with her. I think that was my best approach to this situation. I agree with Lt. Colonel Michael M. Thanks for your post.

Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Sep 28 at 2023 11:56 AM

2023-09-28T11:56:00-04:00

1. Congress don't give a shit.

2. Sometimes Stolen Valor isn't. Sometimes it's legit veterans, due to age, memory etc... and bjy and put on the wrong stuff, and alo g comes some young smartass know it all who has no sense of compassion because he is to focused on "his generations" war.

3. Supreme court basically said "it's allowable" to lie because it's pritected under the 1st ammendment.

So it's not that we don't care, we're just sick and tired of the government not caring, Service members not being educated enough to know the difference and even the top court of the land don't give a f@#k.

Response by SPC Tim Ruggio made Oct 20 at 2023 12:43 PM

2023-10-20T12:43:37-04:00

Looks like somebody spent their paycheck at the Army/Navy Surplus store..... What a joke!!!

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 20 at 2023 9:20 PM

2023-10-20T21:20:13-04:00

NOT MY LANE. THEY HAVE TO ANSWER SOMEONE HIGHER THEN ME ONE DAY. MOST STATES WILL PROSECUTE STOLEN VALOR.
I BET YOU ARE ONE OF THEM FOLKS WHO STAY UP AT NIGHT ON THE INTERNET TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS PERSON YOU SAW IE. AT THE AIRPORT IS SV?

RELAX.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made Oct 26 at 2023 11:25 AM

2023-10-26T11:25:37-04:00

I don't particularly care if someone doubts my 24 years of service. But then again I don't go throwing it around and asking for special treatment because I am a veteran either.

Response by Sara Lucas made Oct 28 at 2023 9:39 PM

2023-10-28T21:39:14-04:00

It makes me sad that they denigrate proper servicemen and women....they obviously have mental issues

Response by SPC Rick Price made Oct 29 at 2023 12:36 PM

2023-10-29T12:36:36-04:00

great topic
I saw a story on dateline about ten years ago that incuded a police department that exposed a fake veteran. I was shocked.and hadnt even realized.this.was a THING!!!

Here is what i do: if i ask if that company offers military/veteran discount and they say yes, i show them my ID--evrry single time. They usually.dont care and dont ask for it but i show it to them anyways. I am certain many LOSER theifs, cheats, stealers, and liars that we have in this world who.are not veterans ask for that discount as well.

In public, No one should be asking for credentials. Its no one elses business.

Response by PO1 Arthur Neel made Oct 30 at 2023 12:00 PM

2023-10-30T12:00:21-04:00

I don't normally judge people's attire as to if they are wearing anything stolen valor. But if I saw someone like the Jackass pictured here, I'd be laughing my ass off and probably call him out on it. Other than that. I left it alone.

I retired in 1981 and I'm an old man now and don't need to start anything. Now if someone comes up to me and challenges me on my Service, (I do speak fluent "Sailor") I will tell then to F**k off and get the F**k away from me.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2023 11:59 AM

2023-11-01T11:59:49-04:00

I cared when it first came to the limelight, and I'm not even sure I had even enlisted at that point. A guy had exposed SSG Ranger at that mall in Pennsylvania around Black Friday. Man, that guy was a phony!

After that, I stopped caring. Sure, many of the Stolen Valor types knew what they were doing, knew it was wrong, and did it anyway. But, a lot of them didn't. Some young adults with autism were getting bullied just because they like the Army and love their UCP ball cap that they got from a recruiter for free, but they never claimed to be military. Many others on the schizoaffective spectrum claimed to be soldiers, but weren't. They couldn't differentiate between imagination and reality.

On the civilian side, I did a contract doing inpatient psych nursing. In my anecdotal experience, I saw a staggering number of young men with military-related preoccupations, confabulations, delusions, etc. Again, none of it was their fault

That's why I bailed on the Stolen Valor witch hunt: we were going after the wrong people.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Nov 1 at 2023 3:12 PM

2023-11-01T15:12:54-04:00

I've said it before, " It don't mean nothing! " I am more concerned with the way our congress is holding up not only promotions, but a funding bill, and backing both Ukraine & Israel!

Response by Sgt Pete Kondrosky made Nov 6 at 2023 9:16 AM

2023-11-06T09:16:48-05:00

First...myself a former USAF Sergeant/E-4, air/ground crew rigger, stateside 1964 to 10/1967 then S.E. Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.
My opinion of Stolen Valor?...as an example...the photo of the guy with all the 'crap' on his jacket?...
he obviously has mental issues, and/or is a 'wannabe'...and not a person I'd approach about the 'situation'.
NOW....WELL into MY mid-70's...the aggravation that would be created BY approaching such an individual about the 'situation'..is not worth MY mental OR physical health.
HE...or SHE...as the case may be...aren't worth it...to me.
Those of us who HAVE served HONORABLY...KNOW it, are proud OF it...and we (I) move on.
These fools have to live with themselves, AND...the 'situation' HERE...again, as an example...is OBVIOUS to anyone with eyes.
I wear my Vietnam Veterans baseball cap many times, and when offered my military 10% discount, even when wearing my cap...I always offer to show my military ID.
MANY times the clerk then says...anyone who would ask/take the military discount and is NOT a veteran...should be ASHAMED of themselves.
By the way...in some situations...retailers do NOT ask for military (proof) of ID...for 'fear' of offending a true veteran...I've been TOLD that...BY the retailers.
It's called the 'Honor System' of course.
Just passing on what I know, and have been told.

Response by SSgt Edward Collins made Nov 19 at 2023 7:56 PM

2023-11-19T19:56:21-05:00

I have a dispute with WA vehicle licensing. I want to purchase a Vietnam service medal sticker for my vehicle. Also a "V" device I was awarded with the Outstanding Unit Award. Also issued with that award were two Oak Leaf Clusters. I was USAF at Cam Rahn Bay. We were awarded it after two sapper attacks and multiple 122 rocket attacks. The state licensing says I have to have a Distinguished Flying Cross or Bronze Star. Which I don't have. Someone in Olimpia said buy one and the "V" device. I gave them a copy of my DD214. I told them what would prevent me or anyone else from parading a Bronze Star or Distinguished Flying Cross with the "V" device. It's stolen Valor. I'm waiting on a decision. The department won't issue the V device without one of the medals.

Response by LTC Lance Headrick made Nov 19 at 2023 10:01 PM

2023-11-19T22:01:59-05:00

Fraud is a crime. Claiming to be something you are not now days is epidemic.

Response by TSgt Robert Wayne made Nov 26 at 2023 5:24 PM

2023-11-26T17:24:04-05:00

I believe we all care but we have learned to pick our battles. If someone is trying to get benefits based on stolen Valor then by all means step in and prevent those A-holes from getting benefits earned by real vets. But if you just hear someone tell stories as if they were active military when they never served, it's not much different than challenging everybody that parks in a handicap spot that you don't believe deserves the spot. You want to be mad all the time and get a early heart attack or do you want to enjoy life? Sometimes it's best to let it be. Karma Isa bitch.

Response by SGT Marci E made Dec 14 at 2023 7:46 AM

2023-12-14T07:46:47-05:00

While I was active duty Army I have worked with rapists, liars, thieves, abusers and murderers. Many who laugh about their crimes. I’ve watched them walk free, time after time despite the evidence. Most that served with them were complicit or complacent due to their fear of retaliation. For me, the military holds no honor or integrity anymore. I don’t tell many people I’m a veteran because I’m not proud. I feel ashamed of what I witnessed, experienced and became aware of. Civilians putting on a uniform and parading around like heroes don’t bother me half as much as those aforementioned.

Response by Capt Hermes Rosa made Dec 14 at 2023 8:08 AM

2023-12-14T08:08:59-05:00

The world is on fire and we are debating about how many angles you can fit on the head of a pin, really!

Response by SGT Walt Pozgay made Dec 14 at 2023 3:58 PM

2023-12-14T15:58:55-05:00

I don't like to see people get undue credit or reward, but I fall on the side of live and let live. I park in the veterans' space at Lowes and sometimes get looks. If someone asked me to prove it, I think I would refuse, unless it was a cop. I would also never presume to ask someone to prove his/her service. If their conscience is clear, my challenge won't change anything.

It's a shame that some people have so little going on for them that they have to pretend to have served in the military to feel important.

Response by SSG Joseph Dowell made Dec 14 at 2023 8:15 PM

2023-12-14T20:15:28-05:00

As truck driver and a veteran, it’s always fun meeting fellow veterans along the way and talking about where we’ve been and what we’ve done. For the most part, if someone is FOS about their service it is very apparent very quickly. Generally, I walk out with a good laugh and forget about it.

Like others have noted, I will occasionally run into somebody who is wearing an award or uniform of a loved one, and when questioned, they are honest about it, and I’ll sit and listen about that person.

Where I would draw the line is when someone has slipped through the cracks and is receiving monetary benefits based on a false claim. But, honestly, unless someone came right out and said they were guilty of it, I would never know.

Response by Sgt Tom Gainer made Dec 24 at 2023 6:19 PM

2023-12-24T18:19:21-05:00

My 2 cents………those who get care and or disability payments from the VA that use stolen valor need to be sent directly to the slammer with Bubba. They take from the pool that those who really need it then can’t get it. Been challenged once in Home Depot when I was wearing my USMC tee shirt, by what I would refer to as a “turd” and I basically told him to f***off and walked away.

Response by CPT David Tanner made Dec 29 at 2023 7:55 PM

2023-12-29T19:55:57-05:00

If I saw someone wearing a full uniform not shaven or long hair and it is not Veterans' Day, or their rank (upside down) or medals are crazy like Korean War and Afghanistan ribbons, etc., I might question them, but if someone is wearing a hat or a t-shirt, I just thank them for their service and then move on. If they apply for VA or other benefits, they get thoroughly vetted before receiving any benefits. Unless it is obvious, mind your own business, and thank them for their service. Thank you all for your service and may you have a safe and Happy New Year.

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Dec 29 at 2023 9:27 PM

2023-12-29T21:27:00-05:00

I was 11B. But gave up pretty quickly on the Grunt mentality bullshit. I don't care if someone loaded nukes on submarines or polished glasses at the officers club. They served, they served. End of story.

Most of these folks who are actually stealing Valor are more to be pitied. Maybe they had the chance to serve or were talked out of it or whatever. This life doesn't give a fuck about your intentions, we all know that. As uncle Sam's kids, we get that lesson a lot.

Regret can make people do some really stupid shit. They've got their invented stories until they run across someone who was there and the whole house of cards takes a Santos. I don't profess to know what's wrong with them. So I keep my beak clean and out of it. I rarely wear any gear, so most people only find out when I talk about my primary care physician (a marvelous Dr and gynocologist) and when they ask if she's taking patients (I'm a transwoman, and yes, women do share info about Dr's. If we have a good one we will discuss) I've got a bit of the smart ass in me (I got to E4 and had no desire to get any further, I loved my job so smart ass was my primary language) and I'll say some shit like "depends, how many people have you killed" hint, don't ask that if you're in a sex worker meeting, the answers could curl your ass hairs. Thats when they find out I go to the vets administration for my health needs.

I served, they didn't or they are pontificating in the language shit-house mouse, either way, I hope someday they get help, because the real problem will take hard work and guidance, I don't need to be a part of it at all.

Response by PO1 Randy Morse made Dec 29 at 2023 10:40 PM

2023-12-29T22:40:00-05:00

I read this link with interest. Normally, I do not respond whether I agree with the post or not.. I was in a situation many years ago, when my brother-in-law started reading Richard Marchenko and his experience as a SEAL. he bought a hat with the SEAL crest onit. When he was asked about it, he made a dubious claim about his endeavors in his SEAL team. It drove me crazy. I tried to explain to him what he was doing, and continued on. Passing me off more......

Response by SPC David C. made Dec 31 at 2023 2:48 PM

2023-12-31T14:48:48-05:00

In most cases, I don't care for two reasons. First, yeah I can call someone out, but then what? They'll get mad, apologize, try to justify why I'm wrong, or tell me it's some super secret bullshit, and then go do it again once I'm gone. Or worse, they may actually be a legit vet and then I look like the dumb ass. Calling them out usually changes nothing. Second, in today's environment, there is no shortage of issues be pissed off at 24/7/365. All that does is make me/ you/ whoever a miserable person. If someone tells me how bad ass and secret they are, I just reply with a "good for you champ" and roll on. I have better things to do with my time. Their insecurities and personal life failures is their issue, not mine.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 28 at 2024 8:00 PM

2024-01-28T20:00:26-05:00

If you don't care, shame on you.

Response by SFC Timothy Ross made Feb 11 at 2024 11:40 AM

2024-02-11T11:40:25-05:00

Seems if it is so important for you to find out if a person wearing some sort of Military Rank, Medal, emblem, T Shirt, Hat, or and other part of a uniform is a Veteran then maybe you have the problem. We wore our uniforms and we know what is appropriate, but that is one of the reason we served. So dumb-asses could fuck it up. It might hurt your pride and make you wonder whats happening to America? But that's what so cool about being free.

Response by SGT Paul Nowak made Feb 13 at 2024 12:41 PM

2024-02-13T12:41:37-05:00

I agree. A person using stolen valor is a stain on all veterans and the service they gave for our country.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Feb 13 at 2024 3:58 PM

2024-02-13T15:58:10-05:00

Stolen Valor has always been a problem from assholes in Congress claiming to be the most Military like Tommy Tuberville (R-FL) to Sarah Cavanaugh, AKA Sarah Bregler of East Greenwich Rhode Island, claimed to have been a wounded Marine Veteran with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan where she was engaged in combat, wounded, and later awarded a Bronze Star with Valor. Over the course of several years Sarah used her false wounded Veteran status to scheme Veteran Charities, the VA, VFW and other organizations out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It's one thing if someone screws up and accidentally puts a wrong ribbon or award on their uniform because they were in "X" Command or Unit. It's another when you see gross fraud happen. Our problem is that our Government including the Supreme Court let's them get away with STOLEN VALOR under the 1st Amendment "Free Speech" when it's not "Free Speech" at all.. They should be treated as criminals and frauds punished to the full measure of the law including prison time. We need to stop letting them get a pass for their Stolen Valor and also pass laws in Congress to call out the clowns of local Militia Groups that claim to be Veterans as well.

The fact there's also incident where my wife's friend was an Air Force Vet who got a medical discharge for health reasons (Epilepsy) and the local VFW wouldn't let her attend events there. Yet, her father and other family are veterans as well including overseas deployment. While her husband is a Iraq Vet the local VFW still treats her with distain because of being unable to complete her time in service. Seriously, this is asinine behavior by the Old Angry Veterans who need to accept that women have been serving the military since Korean (including my mother-in-law/Army Vet) and my wife (Navy Veteran).

The fact that we have a Government full of frauds and liars claiming to be Patriots while letting Stolen Valor assholes get away with it and not be held accountable makes me wonder why the Supreme Court needs to be expanded or replaced by better qualified candidates including at least 2 former JAG Lawyers to help with dealing with Military Related Issues.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Feb 14 at 2024 7:07 AM

2024-02-14T07:07:35-05:00

Anybody with a spare $20 can buy a fill in the blank veteran cap these days. I don't go out of my way any more, but it doesn't take much to trip up a wannabe. It's ironic, when I got back from Vietnam, nobody wanted to be one of us. Now, everybody does.

Response by Capt Robert Vincelette made Mar 9 at 2024 6:39 AM

2024-03-09T06:39:46-05:00

I tell them to call what they think my bluff and write to verify the paperwork from Randolph Air Force Base which proves my medals the same way I tell them to contact the university where I graduated with my PhD, where the public record is free to anyone who wants to view it. I consider it my duty to make proof available because stolen valor violates the human dignity of those it sets out to fool, and this is my way of defending that dignity.

Response by Capt Joe Paolilli made Mar 18 at 2024 7:59 AM

2024-03-18T07:59:45-04:00

I’m glad to see most of the comments. While I detest people who use phony service claims for personal gain (especially politicians), most of these guys are sad, pathetic people ashamed of how they have lived their lives.

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Mar 18 at 2024 11:10 AM

2024-03-18T11:10:24-04:00

I do care very much, it angers me as it makes the real military look bad as these people who do this give out false information about their so called deeds when they served in the Military. They must have deep seeded issues inside of them that make them want to do this.
Such as : To make them feel important to the public that see them
also to make themselves feel good about them selves.
They do not know how to wear a uniform, and to have medals, and such on their uniforms that do not add up.

Response by CMDCM Lawrence Dajnowski made Mar 20 at 2024 9:01 PM

2024-03-20T21:01:04-04:00

Not just youngsters asking for proof but over the last 2 years I have met women who claim to be divorced from military vets. When I told them I retired from the U.S. Navy their ex spouses are always a Marine Corp Vet like that matters to me. I served in country Vietnam on PBR's just after I entered the military so a Marine Corp ex spouse doesn't impress me. I respect all Vets, especially those who served in Combat. Some sickness in our society has occurred nowadays that many need to make up B.S. About military affiliation. Maybe it is simply jealously. Previously I did not experience this disgraceful nonsense.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2024 10:41 AM

2024-03-22T10:41:10-04:00

I was confronted once in a parking lot when I parked in a Veteran's Reserved spot. I usually don't park that close to the store, but it had been a long day and I was tired, so I took advantage of a perk.
A man hurried over and informed me that I couldn't park there. I did look again at the sign to make sure it hadn't said "disabled Vet" and it didn't so I kept walking but I asked him why. He informed me that it was for Veterans only and just because I was driving my husband's car wth the "U.S. Air Force Retired," sticker in the back window didn't mean I was entitled to take a spot from a Veteran.
I remained polite and told him that my husband had been a Vet, a 100% disabled Vet, but that I was also a veteran, I was in the USAF 30 years. He still insisted that I needed to move my car becuase women weren't real veterans. He went so far as to go to the store manager who told him to mind his own business. Later as I as checking out the manager apologized for the guy.
Things like that have happened a few times, but I've always done my very best to remain polite... but sometimes the people are so rude that it's very difficult.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Mar 22 at 2024 11:15 PM

2024-03-22T23:15:19-04:00

Stolen valor is the sole issue here. How a person wears or doesn’t wear certain uniform items is their business, not mine. Yes, I get pissed when I come across a POS that is deliberately misleading people in order to get veteran’s benefits. The vast majority, in my opinion, who wear uniform items have no intent to do harm.
I have a rotten little kid inside of me that wants to be accosted just so I can shut them down. For example, I served in two branches; the Marine Corps and the Air Force. 4 years and 21 years respectively. On even numbered months, I wear my Air Force Veteran hat with three pins. My AF retirement pin, my Marine Honorably Discharged pin and My Marine Corps League pin. For odd numbered months I wear my Marine Corps Veteran cover with the same three pins. People that know me understand my service and I don’t take too much smack from them. Fortunately/unfortunately, I haven’t come across any a—holes that want to get in my face. If at some future date I get harassed by one of these jerks, I’ll give them a ration of BS that’ll sink a large kayak.
Life is too short to get in other peoples issues.
Live long and prosper, Semper Fi, Aim High and fly fight win! Oorah!

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Apr 4 at 2024 11:31 AM

2024-04-04T11:31:03-04:00

Sorry for the length of my comments but to me this is a complicated subject. I’ve thought a lot about this over the last 20 years particularly because of the shit-for-brains Jessie McBeth who publicly claimed Rangers (and himself) committed war crimes in Iraq. His claims were so nefarious and so outrages in the least that they disparaged The President, the Army and the 75th Ranger Regiment to such a degree that it was picked up on national news as gospel and repeated over and over again. This guy did us more harm than any single individual I’ve ever heard of. He absolutely needed to be called out on every platform available. However, some of the videos I’ve seen posted seem really sad. In one particular video, a kid was being called out for stolen valor that seemed to have sever mental limitations. He wasn’t doing anyone any harm and he did talk about honoring his brother by wearing what he was. Those are both extremes of the questions so on limited occasions I do care about stolen valor but, only within the bounds of common sense and compassion.

In 71, the drill sergeants handed us our National Defense Service Medals one day. I was private slick sleeve and didn’t know a thing about awards and decorations. All I knew was put on the blue rope, crossed rifles and NDSM I was handed. We did hear about PX soldiers that went down to the PX and bought all kinds of things to wear once they graduated from AIT. We just shook our heads, sighed and laughed at them. When I got off AD in 74, someone walked up to me and said something like you were in the Army. I said how did you know and he replied because of the way you walk. We weren’t accorded the same respect than that soldiers receive now (as a lot of guys here have said). Saying something about having served was not a really good idea because of the anti-war/anti-military sentiment that existed. Didn’t got to the VA and really didn’t know much about it other than the GI Bill. I hadn’t been injured really so it was a nonissue for me. Other than my National Guard service with 19th Group throughout the 70’s, i stepped away from the military and tried creating a civilian life for myself. I went back on AD in 81 and nobody was receiving combat awards. Vietnam had been over since 75 and that grated on a lot of SM’s.

Since then, there has been a very clear shift in public view of the military that it now seems like everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. Do I fault them? No not really as long as they don’t bring discredit or dishonor on those that did serve such as Jessie McBeth. Getting financial benefits for their non service gets to me. It took the VA 12 yers to process my PTSD and then only through the VA judicial process. The judge stated the VA hadn’t reviewed any of my doctor’s or their doctor’s reports in denying my claims from Central American, Iraq and Afghanistan. I think its because the VA is so overrun with claims (a lot that don’t legitimately exist) that they they either are are to busy or just plain lazy when they themselves don’t qualify for the benefits. These days a lot of people use parking spaces and store discounts every day that have never served, If someone walked up to me and questioned me about my service, I’d just shake my head and walk away. Let them say whatever they want. They can’t say anything I’ve haven’t heard or been called before unless they get violent, Than it’s either call LE or time to jump ugly. I simply don’t care about these others. I’ve got too much on my plate just going out and running errands (I don’t do well around people and crowds) to care about both stolen valor claims or those calling those people out. If it happens in front of me maybe I’ll say something but probably not, It just matter on an everyday basis.

Now, that said, politicians and media personalities that make a living off false claims of service (and frankly those that advertise their military service as part of a political campaign) are jokes that I don’t vote for or support.

Response by SSG Jim Campbell made Apr 10 at 2024 12:52 PM

2024-04-10T12:52:57-04:00

I seem to recall that this issue came up originally to confront and stop frauds claiming MOH or other awards and decorations that would get them something - maybe a free lunch or a speaking engagement. My SF Association investigates and documents these cases before any individual confrontation. Just walking up to someone at an event and asking for his papers is wrong. I'm not sure how I'd "prove" my service other than being able to produce a VA card. This has turned from a good idea to one that's run amok.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made Apr 22 at 2024 1:07 PM

2024-04-22T13:07:55-04:00

I don't care about the fools who like to play dressup and go around with jacked up uniforms, as long as they aren't hurting anyone. If someone wants to tell a tall tale to pump himself up at the bar, so be it. What frosts my balls are the ones who do it for personal gain, whether monetary, fame, position, advancement, etc. Those need to be exposed, and they are usually not the pretend guys/gals. They are the politicians, CEOs, personalities. Many celebrities these days who served are actually low key on their service, as Hollywood does not appreciate them as much as in the WW2 generation.