Posted on Jan 27, 2016
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Some people just shake their head when they see the news headlines, scroll past it, or lose their mind and share with the world. I would like to think deep down we all really do care about exposing phonies especially when they are wrongfully receiving benefits that the deserving need. There is a chain reaction that could be talked about forever on how the phonies hinder the process for veterans.
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I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with this culture of SMs or Vets walking up to people and demanding proof of service. Lately there were two threads about 75 year old vets getting publicly humiliated by other vets. In one case the vet ( or maybe it was a soldier) wouldn't even believe the vets VA card, claiming anyone could print one out.

So that got me thinking how I would respond if someone saw me wearing either military related awards or badges on Veterans Day or say military badge related hats or Tshirts, and came up and started asking me questions. The truth is, in this day of identity theft and scams, I would probably politely tell that guy to f--k off. I sure as hell would never feel like I owe it to any stranger that walks up to me to produce my military ID card and DD214. Really, who the f--k do these people think they are?

This is the United States. I don't have to respond to "your papers please" from anybody, much less some soldier with a hair up his ass.

And as pissed as that would make me, I can't imagine how my dad would have responded when he was 75 if some twenty something "kid" walked up to him and basically demanded that he, a WWII and Korean War vet, prove to this stranger he is authorized to wear his CIB with star. Even at age 75, he would probably try and fight the guy.

So this whole blood sport of confronting and videoing and humiliating people just because they may be wearing a badge wrong has got to stop. It's unprofessional and unAmerican. As I said, I don't have to tell you where I went to basic, what Ranger School Class I was in, or anything else. It's none of your f--king business. You're a damn total stranger to me. Hell, I have no way of knowing if you are even a soldier yourself. So get out of my face and keep your vigilante bullshit away from me or my dad, or others like us. I'd rather a thousand clowns walk down the street in costume than one vet be humiliated by someone who probably hasn't served a fraction of the time the vet did.

There are laws about actually stealing goods or services by impersonating vets. Leave that to the stores. If they give military discounts to people without requiring appropriate ID cards or documentation, that's their mistake. IMO vets should stay in their lane and stop confronting people.
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LCDR J Elsner
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It's becoming more dangerous to approach anyone for any reason these days. I am not going to challenge someone regarding military service and then rish being shot in the face or being attacked or being the victim of any attack. Some here are keyboard commandos and say they would -- XYZ to someone if attacked .. but in reality, those commandos would never challenge someone face to face. I don't care if you ask me if I have proof of military service -- I'd tell you right off to kiss my ass (then take my 10% discount at Home Depot .. thank me for my military service.)
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This right here. I take great care to make sure that my Uniform conforms to USAF standards and I have a modest ribbon rack, yet once a year or so or anytime I post a picture of myself in uniform some wannabe has the gall to question me.
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PFC Keith Williamson
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life is tough enough without challenging and possibly embarrassing some poor sob that's proud of his service but just trying to knock through life. Just leave it alone!
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SFC (Join to see) It's not that I don't care, SFC. It's that I'd rather let 10 fake fuckers wear their fake rewards, than to (wrongly) accost one single vet that was legit.
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Sgt Wayne Horton
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I would hope to have evidence...before confrontation.
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Well said.. I tend to think they're talking about the 'obvious' cases though..
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SP5 Tom Haines
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I had three Marines, many years ago, approach me while I had on my Army Dress Greens. (I had been in the Vietnam War.) They first accused me of stolen valor. I asked them to ask me about anything military they wanted to ask. They peppered me with question after question. I gave them correct answer after correct answer. Finally they stumped me on one. I said, "Hmmmmm, well, I guess you got me on that one. What is the answer?" I was then greeted with silence followed by 'Have a nice day, Sir.'" "I said as I departed, please don't call me sir, these are stripes, not bars." I turned around and said, "Are you sure you're Marines?", smiled and left.
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SP5 Ward Posey
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PO3 Michael Biegler - Yup. Makes me laugh. Used to be a lot of supposed retired "Spooks" (CIA) in Naples Fl. where I lived for awhile. You'd here it from one of these phonies every time you went to a bar after work.
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I care, but I care more about the Constitution than my own feelings. We can't say "we're a free country, but you can't say or wear those things because it offends me." I'm just not a fan making laws that ban citizens from wearing certain symbols when there are groups of people offended by those symbols. It sounds contrary to everything we serve for.

Now if people want to expose phonies, I'm all for it. Let them be judged by the public.

When it comes to fraud, there are plenty of existing fraud laws to cover those cases. Those who commit fraud should be prosecuted under fraud laws.
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SFC Jim H.
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SGT Paul Richardson - I made a comment instead of a reply. Sorry. See the current and Vietnam era MOSs I listed. I was a 67N in my career (69-89) but today that MOS is 15M.
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Sgt Pete Kondrosky
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MY OPINION...
I am NOT the DD-214 police.
I know I (emphasized) served...
when and where...USAF stateside 12/1964-10/1967, followed by PCS to S.E Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.

I would N E V E R send ANYONE a copy of MY DD-214. Even when we bought our various homes, I HANDED our real estate agent a COPY of it for the VA loan, and I knew where it was going and secured.

My thought?...if someone wants to play "GI Joe"...not my problem. Especially with all the whackos out there shooting and harming otherwise to people.

IF said whackos ever DO go for a VA benefit, let the VA ask them for their DD-214....not ME!

Too many weirdos out there.
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PFC Phillip Jones
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The Constitution is what everyone here is sworn to place above any other personal concerns.
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SGT Drew Clifton
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Well said Sir. Idc about the crazies who parade around looking ridiculous, I care about individuals that fake being a vet to get any kind of benefits and are using up resources needed for real Vets.
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