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Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
As much as I hate to enter into a discussion involving politics, here goes: None of us actually know what either politician (Trump or Obama) knew, knows, thinks, or actually did - it's all conjecture on our part based on what we read via the press or hear from our group of like-thinkers. What we do know is the intelligence community agrees that the Russians did mess with our political system but did not change any votes as counted (although the fake propaganda may have changed the minds of many voters).

The question really isn't if the Russians interfered, its if the people in the Trump staff knowingly participated in the activities in some way. That said, I anticipate the Trump supporters will claim he is brilliant and Obama is inept; and the non-Trump supporters will do the opposite - both groups will respond with blinders on as expected......the reason I generally don't engage in these discussions very much.
SFC Chuck Martinez
SFC Chuck Martinez
>1 y
Very well said LTC, anyone who reads the newspapers can't take all what is posted at face value. Anyone who excepts or trust any newspapers, an individual, a superficial articles, or national TV news and believe it without solid proof has to be nuts. Do not be credulous and believe all you hears at face value. There needs to be solid proof, investigations, and verification of any allegations. Common sense will take you a long ways but if you believe everything you hear or read, you are really in big trouble. Facts are facts and bullshit is just that bullshit! You can't be credulous or gullible and believe or except everything you hear, read or are told! Always look for the real facts and the truth!! Most Politicians I believe are not honest and are in politics for the money. Find me an honest politician and I will give you a mansion in the middle of the desert with an ocean front view!
Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA
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I do think the mainstream new media reports news with much less bias than other outlets that have a point of view to sell. The mainstream has a history of doing so whereas the newer media outlets focus on particular demographics and therefore slant the stories to some degree. I also think the mainstream generally report stories using the same facts so that creates sort of a self-checking mechanism. Some of the other outlets clearly have a slant/bias. Relative to the comment about politicians all being dishonest, realize they also have a demographic to satisfy so they pander to that demographic. They will all suck up to those who will keep them in office. My issue with that is attaching themselves to a politician that is clearly dishonest just to gain favor for that politician's supporters. To me, that's a lack of integrity - a pass/fail in my view. I'm sure some will disagree with my perception, and that's okay - that's why its my opinion.
SFC Dave Beran
And Obama still knew about it and did nothing about it. Yeah he knew as did Hillary. They both had daily briefings. But the fact remains that the President (BHO) knew and did nothing. Now think about that.
SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
7 y
MSG (Join to see) - No, that's not my position. I was quoting 1LT Annala, but I forgot the tag. If there was indeed Russian attempts at messing with anything, I would have recommended exactly the same thing you did.

SFC Dave Beran - That's why I said, "...Obama's position as [1LT Annala] presented it." I just think it's an insane argument, regardless of whether it's Obama's or 1LT Annala's.
SFC Dave Beran
SFC Dave Beran
7 y
SSgt Christopher Brose - must have missed something. Lol. That's okay. We are good no matter what. Brothers and sisters in arms.
MSG Civilian Investigator
MSG (Join to see)
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SPC Kevin Ford It seems your memory is short. Obama was in office for 8 years. The entire hacking by Russia, FISA warrants, elections crisis, all of that occurred during Obama's admin. Trump wasn't even President when the Democrats began accusing him of fixing the election. Obama supporters filled the ranks of intelligence officials and supposedly non partisan government positions who began reporting confidential or false information to hurt the Trump admin. After 6 months in office, he is finally getting some trusted individuals into these offices where he can receive information that is believable
SFC Chuck Martinez
SFC Chuck Martinez
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MSG (Join to see) - Amen, at least I get to agree with one individual with common sense! I get tired of all this BS going back and fourth of who did this and who did that! Cooked Hillary and Obama and his whole cabinet in my opinion, should all be in jail. Politicians for some ungodlily reason, seem to be above the law! Only a civil war to get rid of all this lawlessness in politics will solve the problem or this BS will keep going until this country falls apart. In fact, it already has started with all these senseless killings of innocent people all across the nation. Why the hell do we all have to live in fear in our own sacred nation where freedom and to live a safe life no longer exist. What ever happened to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which was part of our freedom as a nation, in the declaration of independence from England?? At my age, I don't give a rats ass anymore and if it come to it, all Patriots who believe as I do, must come forward and challenge all those who want to turn this country into a Socialist state!!
SSgt Gary Andrews
He's gone from it didn't happen (It's a fake story), to maybe a fat guy did it, or maybe it was
China......to now at least saying that it was Russia. I guess that's progress. But to complain that Obama did nothing......while he himself is doing nothing......rings pretty hollow.
SSgt Gary Andrews
SSgt Gary Andrews
7 y
He's briefed with a one page summary, condensed down to bullet points. I feel so confident....
MSG Civilian Investigator
MSG (Join to see)
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Ssgt Gary Andrews
Apparently you haven't read Pompeo's statements. He said he has allotted a certain amount of time each day and he frequently goes over that time. He also said Trump asks a lot of questions about the intelligence.
As for confidence, Obama supposedly received frequent intelligence briefings and he still made many mistakes on ISIS, Russia, the elections, Benghazi, etc. He was either very incompetent, his intelligence network was incompetent, or he played Democrat politics too much by refusing to acknowledge anything that hurt his base.
SFC Chuck Martinez
SFC Chuck Martinez
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MSG (Join to see) - They were all incompetent or did not have the balls to do something in Benghazi where brave men died trying to protect the people in the US Embassy. Hillary should be in jail as well as other Obama staff members! A weak president afraid of his own shadow!
SFC Chuck Martinez
SFC Chuck Martinez
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MSG (Join to see) - Common sense has become an uncommon virtue, You just can't argue with fools who can't except facts. That is the main reason our political system is all screwed up, every one agrees to disagree. There is no common ground anymore, opinions and more opinions, just like assholes we all have one. That is the main reason this country is so divided.

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