Posted on May 29, 2015
COL Charles Williams
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No news yet on the 8 women who remain, but it appears the Army will provide the an update today... Friday. And, according to the CSA, we have more pilots in the making. He seems set on standards, which is good, but I believe we need look at the MOS and branches currently closed, not just a school any MOS can attend. Again, I think the pilot is in the wrong place. This should be centered around traditional combat arms MOSs and schools.

"We'll probably run a couple more pilots," said Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno during a breakfast meeting with reporters. "It's been a real success for us, and we'll see how it goes from there."

Odierno said the standards for Ranger School will not change.

"We've set standards for Ranger School for a very long time," he said. "I'm adamant about maintaining that. I do believe it's important we maintain the integrity of the Ranger tab."

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/05/28/women-ranger-school-assessments/28070325/
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"Ranger School was opened to women on a one-time basis by the Army following a directive from senior Pentagon officials to research how they can be better integrated into combat units." This is from the Stars and Stripes. This is what the Army said. What happened to the one-time basis? Why is it always something that changes while this goes on. It just makes more questions arise. Why couldn't they just say "We are going to send as many women as it takes til one passes" or like the Marines just say we will try for a set time frame.

What really bothers me is how this is being viewed. What does "It's been a real success for us, and we'll see how it goes from there" even mean? How are they defining a success? Is it successful if they just send females? They don't seem to be doing so well. I thought success was measured there by getting your tab and not by showing up. Are we going to call failure a success?

What also bothers me is how "Patrolling is something you learn from experience, and they just have not had the experience of doing it," he said. So what about all of the male soldiers that aren't Combat Arms. They seem to get by. We had a Chaplin in my Ranger School class. He passed. The South Carolina sent an F-16 pilot and he passed. Didn't they all go to RTAC to prepare them for this. They are on an even with their non-combat Arms peers. Don't they go over basic military patrols and tactics at Basic Training, OCS, or their advanced.

This is just nothing but more excuse and smoke and mirrors. They are making this out to be something that it isn't. The females knew they didn't know patrols. It's an insult to just say, well you know females don't patrol because that is what guys do so they are going to have trouble there. They got the same training others get. I don't see how any of this could be unfair to them. Let them achieve or fail on their own merit.

"The feedback I'm getting is these females are performing exceedingly well, physically, mentally, and the cadre is very proud of how they've done," he said. How do you define exceedingly well? All of them failed the first phase and got recycled. Either they set the bar extremely low from the start or it is lip service. If you took their sex out of it and just said "Ranger X failed Benning Phase and had to start all over again" my reply would be "Man, Ranger X is doing exceedingly well there. I am so proud of him. He is really representing his unit so well." Are we treating them as females or as Rangers?

If I recall it right Gen Odierno was an Armor Officer. So he might not have the experience in patrolling also. So does that mean he can't figure it out or adapt and complete the mission. Although I will just add he doesn't have a tab.
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I hear what you are saying. I believe the success is that there are women who are going to at least try. If they keep trying, then it is a success. Whether one succeeds in the course or not is a personal challenge.
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CW5 (Join to see) Maybe you are right. Maybe I am wrong and have been wrong this whole time. We shouldn't measure success by attaining an actual tangible goal. In that case we should be cheering on the greatly successful Iraqi Army. They just trying so hard. They just keep trying and their President is really having a personal challenge. It doesn't matter that thousands are being killed and executed daily. These tangible goals shouldn't matter. After all this is only the military. It is not like life matter on what we consider a successful operation or if a soldier is success on completing their mission. Trying is just as good right?
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everyone is a winner! a trophy for everyone who plays. gee, can't wait to have a go at those Chinese.
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I just want to make an observation that the women are handicapped at infantry tactics.
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It's hard for me to know what to feel about the "standards" angle of this issue.

When the CSA says that standards have not changed, I do believe him, mostly because I want to believe him. But there will always be people who see it the other way, because they want to see it the other way...no matter what GEN Odierno says. They will say, "Ohhh, suuuure. Sure the standards didn't change. Yeah right!" In cases like this, it can be near impossible for one side to convince the other.

I hope that we see a female graduate of Ranger School soon, and I hope that there is no controversy surrounding that ceremony.
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I would agree to the point the standards haven't changed at Ranger school. It seems to be holding true. But there are some issues that tend to question some of the circumstances. Although there should be some. Whenever you do something the first time it is going to be different. It hasn't been done before. I think they need to stay in line as much as they can.
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