Posted on Jan 3, 2015
VA Claims: Moving from PREPARATION FOR DECISION to COMPLETION. How long?
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My VA claim has finally suddenly moved to "Preparation for Decision" after, of course, a very long process. I had missed my C&P Exam because I was out of the country when they scheduled it and when the date hit (they could not legally change the date to two weeks later because it was outside of a certain time frame). After requesting that the claim be reopened in July, I called my congressman (John Boehner). It was finally reopened in November, and I got a call a couple of weeks ago that my claim was being "expedited" and that they wanted to reschedule my C&P. That is now done, and my claim has moved to this stage (5 of 7). I'm just curious to know how others have seen this transition. How long did your claim take to move from this fifth step to completion?
Posted 11 y ago
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great topic, I've noticed PO1 (Join to see) & Sgt Dale Cusack mention Service Officer & Service Advocate - do you SGT Justin Singleton have someone in your corner like this that's helping you?
.....can someone share more knowledge on this topic of advocates.....more specific information, like is there a published list? Where can I point my Soldiers that are exiting the military to get the help they might need?
.....can someone share more knowledge on this topic of advocates.....more specific information, like is there a published list? Where can I point my Soldiers that are exiting the military to get the help they might need?
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SSgt (Join to see)
CSM Michael J. Uhlig - Right on, that's what they should be briefing when individuals are getting out. Very few people will tell you this, and very very few people will take the time to educate you on this. You become just another number for their clip board, I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a place and tried to find help and got nothing. I thought to myself, "Should I apply for that position, because I probably won't get it!" I did 15 years in the military, was forced out due to HYT but since 2000, shoot even before that I always lent a hand and will continue. The only difference between me and the senior NCO's I've been around are leadership classes associated with their rank and those extra headaches, (I would have gladly taken) that's it. There were 3 types of people in the Air Force I was in those that (just Help You), those that (Help You and Followed Through Helping you), then those that (Help You, Followed Through Helping You, and Followed Up.) We need more follow ups.
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Sgt Ron Knollenberg
I got out in 1993 after Desert Storm. I'm now 52 and just last year submitted my claim for a number of ailments from in the Gulf War. First, when I got out in 93 I registered on the Gulf War Registry and was denied anything service connected at that time. I was 26 then, now I'm 52 and issues I either ignored and others are effecting my daily life. I tried filing my own claim 2 years ago. Worst mistake ever if you are expecting to get anything approved. I was referred to the VFW and two advocates that happened to work at Saddleback Church in Foothill Ranch Calif. They sat down with me and told me the exact way to put my claim together in order to get a service connected rating and for it to be approved in a timely manner. You need to tell a story with your health. You need both military and civilian medical records that substantiate what you are saying. For example, if you have an injury that you know happened while in service and have military medical records to prove it, and your civilian records to show the condition has continued. The final package that is sent to your regional VA office needs to have a table of contents telling them in bullet points what they are about to see in the rest of the pages. If you are claiming multiple conditions, each condition should have it's on section with supporting civilian and military medical records and a cover sheet. This seems like a lot of work, it is. That's why I was lazy and never did it until now. 1. Don't be lazy. 2. Don't wait until you are 52. 3. MAKE A COPY OF YOUR MILITARY MEDICAL RECORDS before you discharge. 3. Contact the VFW post closest to you and they can direct your to the VA Center that can help you with your claim. 4. Ask another veteran if they have submitted a claim, they may have a contact for you. 5. Not all VA advocates are the same!!!!. I submitted my complete package on 5/24/2017. It's June 27th and I've already had 4 of the 6 C&P exams for my conditions. I've got an apt for the 5th condition July 5th. My claim should have a decision by the end of July-August. I hope this helps someone.
Ron Knollenberg
USMC
Ron Knollenberg
USMC
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SSG Arnel De Lara
Sgt Ron Knollenberg - All of your recommendations are spot on.
I got out in 94. Didn't find out about filing disability claim until 2018 when a non-veteran nurse told me at the VA about it! I hit the ground running with my paperwork. Yes, you'll hear ways how people started theirs and after several hits and misses and missed work hours, I went the American Legion here at the VA. I had my paperwork ready. Since I had made copies of my medical documents from the Army as well as from my civilian physicians, the representative was delighted that I have all my stuff ready to be faxed. I'm glad that your process is fast being you had your C&P within less than 2 months. Although I have my Intent to File in May, I handed my paperwork to the American Legion in mid June (2018), I'm just getting the Development Letter (according to eBenefits site).
I got out in 94. Didn't find out about filing disability claim until 2018 when a non-veteran nurse told me at the VA about it! I hit the ground running with my paperwork. Yes, you'll hear ways how people started theirs and after several hits and misses and missed work hours, I went the American Legion here at the VA. I had my paperwork ready. Since I had made copies of my medical documents from the Army as well as from my civilian physicians, the representative was delighted that I have all my stuff ready to be faxed. I'm glad that your process is fast being you had your C&P within less than 2 months. Although I have my Intent to File in May, I handed my paperwork to the American Legion in mid June (2018), I'm just getting the Development Letter (according to eBenefits site).
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SGT Justin Singleton I'll be honest - I don't know enough about your specific file to throw rocks at. Here's what I always suggest: Find a Veterans Service Organization (VFW,DAV, AL, etc) talk to their Service Officer and sign the VA form 21-22 to permit the organization to look at your file as it is being processed. Relying on the VA's website to tell you where you are in the process is foolhardy. In my most recent argument with the VA the VA website had me in the 'Preparation for Decision' for nearly 4 months AFTER I had a decision letter in my hand. It took another 8 or 9 months for the VA website to finally catch up to reality. Additionally, during the entire process for my claim, the status actually went back and forth between two specific statuses 3 separate times with no reason given. If I had not had given the VFW my POA (the VA form 21-22) I would have never know what was going on....
As I have said before: "Never deal with the VA alone! Find a Service Officer with one of the Veterans Service Organizations and use that Service Officer as your advocate. Get an Advocate!"
And did I mention you should get an ADVOCATE?
As I have said before: "Never deal with the VA alone! Find a Service Officer with one of the Veterans Service Organizations and use that Service Officer as your advocate. Get an Advocate!"
And did I mention you should get an ADVOCATE?
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PO1 (Join to see)
SGT Thomas Lucken I do feel some of your pain - though I cannot feel all of it of course. I wish I had an answer for your suppositions. I do know the issue(s) re: Agent Orange is a damned difficult one to deal with both on a personal basis and a disability claim basis. The disability claims for many Agent Orange cases seem to drag on longer than they should in general.
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SGT Thomas Lucken
Yeah, even more so when outside the bogus presumptive dates for Korea! But the government has been dragging their feet with A.O. for over 40 years, and are afraid to admit the truth.
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SPC Cabo Lorn
Thats just horrible.
I filed an increase claim in 2/2016 and it was raised from to 50% in October 2016 - but they said it wasn't raised to the max %70 (for that specific issue) because I have not documented any pain in that part of my body but I had 10 years of documented pain. So I then dug up civilian doctor reports and dates from when I went to VA doctors and submitted an appeal. After 7 months of no contact at all, I called my congressman who told me I’d have a better shot at a quicker reply for a "reconsideration' (which I’d never heard of). So I pulled my appeal case and replaced it with a reconsideration (via fax). Within 10 days of submitting it, I’m now in a reconsideration process with a status of ‘Preparation For Decision’ and the resolution dates are between 6/26/17 and 8/1/17. We’ll see.
I filed an increase claim in 2/2016 and it was raised from to 50% in October 2016 - but they said it wasn't raised to the max %70 (for that specific issue) because I have not documented any pain in that part of my body but I had 10 years of documented pain. So I then dug up civilian doctor reports and dates from when I went to VA doctors and submitted an appeal. After 7 months of no contact at all, I called my congressman who told me I’d have a better shot at a quicker reply for a "reconsideration' (which I’d never heard of). So I pulled my appeal case and replaced it with a reconsideration (via fax). Within 10 days of submitting it, I’m now in a reconsideration process with a status of ‘Preparation For Decision’ and the resolution dates are between 6/26/17 and 8/1/17. We’ll see.
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Sgt Gary Birmingham
From my understanding - every time someone inquires about status the claim then gets put back to the beginning of the hopper and actually delays it.
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Working through an American Legion service officer, my claim was submitted in April 2014, I had my exam on September 19 and received my first payment on September 25, 2014. I may be atypical but my service officer was very thorough in getting the appropriate data to file so the claim went through quickly.
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SSG (Join to see)
CSM Michael J. Uhlig, when I retired at the end of July this year, my appointments occurred in mid November. The push is for within 90 days but could stretch to 120. Some may vary depending how extensive your claim is. The other factor is how well documented you claim is, in other words, the VA didn't have to search the ends of the earth for medical docs. Doesn't always work that way, sometimes they will ask for something, be sure you have extra copies. As I said it varies with each individual and the extensiveness of the claim.
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Sgt Dale Cusack
Wait period will vary for a number of reasons, the area you are in, the availability of VA facilities in that area and the number of claims being worked in that area. What makes a difference is making sure you have a "Fully Developed Claim" and have it filed by a certified service officer. A secondary benefit of having a fully developed claim is that if accepted, the benefits are retroactive to a further extent than other claims.
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Sgt Dale Cusack
A fully developed claim is one that contains all the available supporting documentation that describes your conditions that you believe are covered by your time in the service along with the service related documentation that you were where you said you were. An accredited service officer with any of the veteran's organizations, American Legion, VFW, DAV, Marine Corps League can help you (you do not have to be a member of the organization for this) assemble the documentation and file the claim.
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I filed my VA claim in August 2011, and the outcome is still pending as of Jan 2015, more than 3 years later. I have an American Legion service officer overseeing the process as well. I checked in with him last month and he estimated it will take approx 2 more years for my decision. This would mean about 5 1/2 total years from submission to decision in my case.
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SPC Cabo Lorn
Thats just horrible.
I filed an increase claim in 2/2016 and it was raised from to 50% in October 2016 - but they said it wasn't raised to the max %70 (for that specific issue) because I have not documented any pain in that part of my body but I had 10 years of documented pain. So I then dug up civilian doctor reports and dates from when I went to VA doctors and submitted an appeal. After 7 months of no contact at all, I called my congressman who told me I’d have a better shot at a quicker reply for a "reconsideration' (which I’d never heard of). So I pulled my appeal case and replaced it with a reconsideration (via fax). Within 10 days of submitting it, I’m now in a reconsideration process with a status of ‘Preparation For Decision’ and the resolution dates are between 6/26/17 and 8/1/17. We’ll see.
I filed an increase claim in 2/2016 and it was raised from to 50% in October 2016 - but they said it wasn't raised to the max %70 (for that specific issue) because I have not documented any pain in that part of my body but I had 10 years of documented pain. So I then dug up civilian doctor reports and dates from when I went to VA doctors and submitted an appeal. After 7 months of no contact at all, I called my congressman who told me I’d have a better shot at a quicker reply for a "reconsideration' (which I’d never heard of). So I pulled my appeal case and replaced it with a reconsideration (via fax). Within 10 days of submitting it, I’m now in a reconsideration process with a status of ‘Preparation For Decision’ and the resolution dates are between 6/26/17 and 8/1/17. We’ll see.
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Update: It has today moved to the next step in the process, "Pending Decision Approval." The last two steps are "Send Notification Letter" and "Complete." Thanks all for the advice...it looks like it is moving faster than I had thought it would!
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SGT John Pleites
Sorry there's no date on your comment, how long did it take to go from "Preperation for Decision" to "Pending Decision Apprival"?
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I have filed a few claims over the years and my last claim I filed January 12th, 2016. I had my C&P exam on February 4th, 2016 and it went to PFD around the middle of March 2016. I sat there for a few weeks before it started bouncing between Pending Decision Approval back to Preparation for Decision to Pending for Notification. All of that in a matter of a few days and my claim closed on March 29th, 2016 and I was awarded what I claimed.
I did that while I had an NOD pending too! My DRO hearing was scheduled for February 26th, 2016.
Now I just submitted another claim on July 12th, 2016 and I had the C&P exam on August 26th, 2016 and a few days ago I went to Preparation for Decision.
I have to say it usually doesn't take long but keep in mind if there is anything the rater needs an answer to, it will bounce back to Gathering of Evidence.
I did that while I had an NOD pending too! My DRO hearing was scheduled for February 26th, 2016.
Now I just submitted another claim on July 12th, 2016 and I had the C&P exam on August 26th, 2016 and a few days ago I went to Preparation for Decision.
I have to say it usually doesn't take long but keep in mind if there is anything the rater needs an answer to, it will bounce back to Gathering of Evidence.
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SGT Justin Singleton, mine was a Benefits Delivered at Discharge(BDD) claim. Typical it can take anywhere from 6-12 months to be completed from the time I retired, July 14, 2014. 5 months have passed and as of 2 weeks ago, I am at the status you are are at "Preparation for Decision" and a development letter was sent, to who I don't know. Again it could one of those strange anomalies that PO1 (Join to see) may have mentioned and the page is not updated. As my AMVET VSO explained, watching the eBenefits portal is like looking at a "best guess estimator". Currently my estimated claim completion date lies between Mar 3 and Jun 30 2015.
I put in my claim 120 days before separation(Apr 2014)(VA says claims can be submitted within 180 days of separation), it was estimated my case would be complete by April 2015, in October it was estimated to be complete in Sep 2015. I was done by the 1st week of Dec with my C&P appointments, my status change to Jul 2015 until the current status as it stands now.
For me, "Preparing for a decision" means the VSR is probably working on the actual decision letter. My only glitch in my claim is a hearing test was requested by the Dr's even though it was not something I had originally submitted be looked at for the claims process. That fact that "TBI" was in my paperwork is what prompted the hearing test. I thought it would change the Mar-Jun 2015 dates, it did not.
VA website says average time for this phase is like 15-28 days. I've heard from some people sometimes they update the award letter before you get your physical letter. Many people find out early this way. Hopefully you will have an answer on your claim shortly.
I put in my claim 120 days before separation(Apr 2014)(VA says claims can be submitted within 180 days of separation), it was estimated my case would be complete by April 2015, in October it was estimated to be complete in Sep 2015. I was done by the 1st week of Dec with my C&P appointments, my status change to Jul 2015 until the current status as it stands now.
For me, "Preparing for a decision" means the VSR is probably working on the actual decision letter. My only glitch in my claim is a hearing test was requested by the Dr's even though it was not something I had originally submitted be looked at for the claims process. That fact that "TBI" was in my paperwork is what prompted the hearing test. I thought it would change the Mar-Jun 2015 dates, it did not.
VA website says average time for this phase is like 15-28 days. I've heard from some people sometimes they update the award letter before you get your physical letter. Many people find out early this way. Hopefully you will have an answer on your claim shortly.
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I am quite unusual. I must have caught the North Texas VA people when they were bored. I retired 1/31/2010, and was getting my disability checks by 4/1/2010.
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PO1 Chris Crawley
Nope. Started my claim about a week after retiring from NAS JRB Willow Grove. Had to move home to Texas first. Took my medical record to the Ft Worth VA Clinic, they looked it over and started the paperwork. Got a call a week later to make an appointment at VA Hospital Dallas the next week. Spent about 3 hours there, and they sent the info to regional. In mid-March, I got my disability rating and was informed that I would get my first check in April.
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PO1 (Join to see)
Well, I'll say this...you're the odd man out. I wouldn't say you did anything wrong - however, I would still have someone ... such as an ADVOCATE look at your file/info (military health and 201 file) to see if there's anything else that can be added. Now, if you're already at 100% Permanent and Total - just take care of yourself because you've reached the pinnacle. However, if you're not...there's always something to look at....trust me.
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PO3 Mitchell Haynie
Timing is EVERYTHING! Starting your claim immediately while all documents and details were current and active was brilliant, whether you knew it or not. While "fresh discharge claims" always move more quickly and easily, you still are blessed and highly favored... might consider buying a lottery ticket a week!
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Many things effect the time it takes the VA to process your claim, how long have you been out, the longer since discharge, the longer it takes etc. Documentation and "Nexus" or connection of disability to time in service are both critical to your claim moving forward quickly.
That said, i was discharged in 82, I was injured at sea and so I had decent documentation of my injuries. My first claim was made in December 2013, it completed August 2015 with a 60% combined rating 50% on back and legs, 10% tinnitus (Presumptive Condition) because I was a yellow shirt on VO, plus three more connected but unrated disabilities.
Next in May 2015 I filed an "Increase" claim which tend to move much faster because it is an established disability, that claim was closed in November 2016 with an increase to 80%, for increase in right leg functional loss. My most recent was another increase claim on the three issues not rated but connected, since these were filed as fully developed the predicted time to complete is October to December this year. I should have C&Ps in the next 60 days.
To answer your original question, from C&P to check if approved, about 6 weeks. I did not use a VSO even though I am with the DAV, they just didn't have enough reps in this area to properly work claims so I took the Bull by the horns myself. Three keys, BE Proactive, Persistent, and use extreme Perseverance in following your claim. Also educate yourself, ask questions, use those VA folks to wring out everything you can, I have gotten phone numbers not typically published just by asking and being persistent. You need to educate yourself and do not just depend on a VSO, they manage MANY cases, you only have one! Do not hesitate to involve your Senators and Congressmen because their inquiries on your behalf are NEVER ignored or slow played and most are thrilled to help, mine in Texas have been!
I am working toward that 100% rating even though my current actual numbers are 110% before they use the mythical but magical "combined ratings scale" of misery! It has taken almost five years, but I have had a lot of time on my hands to be a burr under their saddle! Good Luck Brothers!
That said, i was discharged in 82, I was injured at sea and so I had decent documentation of my injuries. My first claim was made in December 2013, it completed August 2015 with a 60% combined rating 50% on back and legs, 10% tinnitus (Presumptive Condition) because I was a yellow shirt on VO, plus three more connected but unrated disabilities.
Next in May 2015 I filed an "Increase" claim which tend to move much faster because it is an established disability, that claim was closed in November 2016 with an increase to 80%, for increase in right leg functional loss. My most recent was another increase claim on the three issues not rated but connected, since these were filed as fully developed the predicted time to complete is October to December this year. I should have C&Ps in the next 60 days.
To answer your original question, from C&P to check if approved, about 6 weeks. I did not use a VSO even though I am with the DAV, they just didn't have enough reps in this area to properly work claims so I took the Bull by the horns myself. Three keys, BE Proactive, Persistent, and use extreme Perseverance in following your claim. Also educate yourself, ask questions, use those VA folks to wring out everything you can, I have gotten phone numbers not typically published just by asking and being persistent. You need to educate yourself and do not just depend on a VSO, they manage MANY cases, you only have one! Do not hesitate to involve your Senators and Congressmen because their inquiries on your behalf are NEVER ignored or slow played and most are thrilled to help, mine in Texas have been!
I am working toward that 100% rating even though my current actual numbers are 110% before they use the mythical but magical "combined ratings scale" of misery! It has taken almost five years, but I have had a lot of time on my hands to be a burr under their saddle! Good Luck Brothers!
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