Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?

CPT Jack Durish — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 17:01:01 -0400

As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...

Can you imagine my surprise?

I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.

On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”

REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.

Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?

I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.

We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.

I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).

To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 5:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 17:28:05 -0400

I have to both, but on a personal note, I don't personally care if you are a POG, or not, a self described REMF (Currently "Fobbit") or Toc ranger and what have you. We all put the uniform, we are swore an oath, we are told what to do and sent.

I have seen good posts out there and my take that every post be it VFW of AL, are very different, even though they belong to a national charter. We have all sorts of veterans, in my personal experience, have had my frictions with all sorts of veterans, which if they say something I don't agree, they will definitely hear my opinion, as well as the reason. No one can compare wars, the circumstances, the enemy, all have different details, but it could have been the same hell for some.

I firmly believe that if you have served for years, and or have been deployed to a war zone, is that there is a real disconnect with most civilians, with aggravating circumstances if you return home to a very liberal city, say San Francisco, or Boston, New York City, is different on that sense, but the underlying sentiment of the self professed "experts". They are a dime a dozen and if you look in my other posts, I carry crude ugly videos and pictures of what our enemies done to civilians, as an ace of spade to show if needed went the "want to see proof"

These 2 organizations are a lot more helpful in finding like minded individuals that you can be having fun with, not only because you can speak you mind explicitly, they will join you with their stories. It is finding peace and quiet, surrounded by fellow soldiers.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 8 at 2015 5:47 PM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 17:47:26 -0400

I was not ever deployed in combat so VFW is not something I could join if I wanted to. I never even thought about joining the American Legion. I am going to look into that.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 8 at 2015 5:58 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 17:58:54 -0400

I am a Member "at large" for the VFW (Basically I belong to the Virginia VFW roster, but not to a specific Post).

I joined a few years ago, mainly as part of the "numbers game." The political reality is having more numbers gives organizations like this more power on Capitol Hill, and my $45~/year is worth at least that much.

The VFW also actively helps Vets, specifically with things like "fighting the VA" which I just count as a plus.

Excluding bingo nights, I've never stepped foot in a Post, so my experience is limited in that regards.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 8 at 2015 6:02 PM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:02:12 -0400

Both

Response by SFC Charles S. made Apr 8 at 2015 6:19 PM

SFC Charles S. — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:19:09 -0400

I'm a Life Member of the VFW, I'm looking into an AL membership. I'm a Life member kind of guy. I'm an 82nd Division Association Life member, DAV Life Member, NRA Life Member, and NCOA, USAA, so on and so forth. The VFW has been a very gracious and kind organization to me, I hope that the AL will end up the same way. Here is the thing People are people no matter where you go, they have their good sides and bad sides, until you get to know them you don't know what you don't know. SO, If you never set foot inside the doors you'll never know what you are missing or have missed out on. Give it a shot. I've heard the Bitching and Moaning about Smoking and Drinking, it's really not about those things... if you don't like those find a post that suites you. You have options. It's more about the relationships with other veterans that you go into these posts to gain. Try it you might just find out that you like it and found some new friends.

Response by MAJ Nathan Potter made Apr 8 at 2015 6:55 PM

MAJ Nathan Potter — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:55:46 -0400

Life Member of the VFW, Freemasons, and Shriners, unfortunately, poor attendance at all. I somehow seemed to have missed the American Legion. I totally concur with the statement above about the post being only as good as its members, advocacy is important, costs are not oppressive, but ultimately, I just lack the time.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 8:30 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:30:59 -0400

I am a life member of the Legion. Joined because the Post where i was had a great club with one of the best restaurants in town. Became a life member to support their programs especially their youth programs.

Even though my retirement letter credits me with 39 years and 2 days service I am not eligible for the VFW.

Response by LTC Gavin Heater made Apr 8 at 2015 9:03 PM

LTC Gavin Heater — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:03:15 -0400

I am a VFW Life Member and an American Legion Member. My Posts are decent with good leadership, but I am usually too busy with my full time job or Veteran Outreach to be involved. Maybe when I retire.

Response by Sgt Cody Dumont made Apr 8 at 2015 9:10 PM

Sgt Cody Dumont — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:10:23 -0400

I joined the Marine Corps League.

Response by SFC Charles W. Robinson made Apr 8 at 2015 9:29 PM

SFC Charles W. Robinson — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:29:28 -0400

I joined the local VFW when I retired. I did so to volunteer on the Honor Guard providing final honors to fallen comrades.

I have not been able to participate much since going back to college, but will start back up once I have completed my MBA.

I really do not do anything else with the VFW or American Legion.

Sitting in a cantina drinking and stuffing coins into "game" machines is just not my thing.
Neither is Bingo.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Apr 8 at 2015 9:40 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:40:47 -0400

I am a member of the American Legion in my town. Yes we have the "bar flies" but we have many members that do many awesome things within the community, one of which is backpack buddies with the local elementary school down the street this program provides underprivileged children with food on the weekend and the Post collects can goods and such for it. Another member just hosted the welcome home Vietnam Veteran event which received high praises throughout the Legion and Vietnam Veteran groups.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 10:47 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 22:47:55 -0400

I finally joined the VFW about 2 years ago, to be honest it was more for selfish reasons initially. I was trying to get more involved with the community and find organizations to become a member of to boost a particular award that I was being nominated for at the time. However, it was one of the best things I could have done, I wish I had jooined sooner (then again, my wife and I are probably one of the youngest ones in there lol! So I guess I have a lot of time). Hopefully soon I can do the lifetime membership!

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 11:57 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 23:57:33 -0400

I'm sure I could google this, but the RP family is so helpful. Which organization requires combat experience for membership? That was always my understanding, and that's likely to be a major part why I haven't looked into either. I have favorable opinions of both organizations, but always felt that they were more targeted to Veterans/Retired members, versus those actively serving.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 12:06 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:06:09 -0400

VFW they do a lot of good for us while we are in and after we are out of uniform. They also do a lot for the community as a whole, I am a proud member.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 12:54 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:54:44 -0400

I'm a life member of the VFW and American Legion. I joined them both because I value what the organizations bring to the community and Veterans as a whole. My current problem is that there's not an active post nearby. The VFW closed and the Legion does very little.

My experiences have been mostly positive, but there are certainly some negative ones as well. I had a Viet Nam Veteran once denigrate my time in Iraq, much like WWII Veterans probably did to him. With a 40+ year gap between generations of Veterans, I think there's also a level of disconnect between the groups. It's hard for us to relate to one another. There's also a certain level of resistance to change and accepting younger leadership. How many Veterans in their 50's and 60's want to listen to a 28 year old Iraq Veteran in a leadership position? How many posts are willing to change to appeal to the new generation?

The only organization I participate in regularly is AMVETS. They're the most inclusive, which means we have a larger post. Unlike the Legion or VFW, Veterans who did not serve during a time of war are eligible to join. Even then I struggle to remain involved, simply due to work, school, children, drill weekends, etc.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Apr 9 at 2015 12:59 AM

SSG Tim Everett — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:59:30 -0400

Like a few people in my generation of Iraq and Afghanistan vets, I was against joining a VSO. I've seen a number of VFW and Legion meetings where there were a lot of drunks.

I gave the local American Legion post a chance after seeing them at a parade and running a barbecue. I asked about their advocacy programs, and was struck by how involved they are in the community, not just for veterans but for youths as well.

I joined up on the spot and have been at every meeting since.

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Apr 9 at 2015 1:02 AM

CW2 Eric Scott — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 01:02:44 -0400

I thought about it, but I haven't really for one reason. I cannot handle anyone else telling me about their war stories. I was in Ar Ramadi in 2005 and I've found solitude is the only way I can keep it together.

I wish that were not so however.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 9 at 2015 6:27 AM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 06:27:50 -0400

I'm with the American Legion, VFW, DAV, and the FRA; Fleet Reserve Association. I joined to get the benefits of having representatives being able to speak on my behalf for veteran concerns.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 11:56 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 11:56:04 -0400

I have not because of my father's experience post gulf war. I'll admit that it left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems to be a common thread for vets to not consider the wars of their successors to be "Real wars" or for my generation to be "Real soldiers." And it doesn't help that so much of my family did serve in 'Nam. All I ever got from the VFW was this sense that My father simply wasn't good enough for their super special club.

Response by TSgt Jack Manigold made Apr 9 at 2015 12:05 PM

TSgt Jack Manigold — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:05:25 -0400

I am a member of the American Legion. However I don't really visit the post for the same reason I won't visit the VFW. In my experience half the members are bar fliea. The other half are busy trying to recruit "young" members. Yet once the young vets show up, they are not part of the good ol' boy (gulf war, vietnam) club. So they get treated like outsiders or just a body the boost the posts numbers.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Apr 9 at 2015 12:07 PM

SFC Christopher Perry — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:07:20 -0400

Now that I am semi settled in TX I will be looking to do so.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 12:26 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 12:26:05 -0400

I'm a member of my local VFW Chapter.

I joined because my Uncle is a Vietname Veteran and is the Quartermaster for the Post. Upon joining I realized there aren't many younger Veterans and the ones that are there, it's hard to get their opinion valued.

I was voted in as the Junior Vice Commander (going on my third year now) to try and get more younger Veterans to join and head-up fundraising activities.

My biggest complaint is the amount of bureaucracy at the meetings. Second to that is that there aren't many members that show up to events other than the post Officers. The others just show up to the Post to drink and watch sports, but do not contribute to events. In addition, everyone wants to raise money, but it is difficult to get anything pushed through with enough buy in and support.

An example of this is that my brother wanted to do a 5K walk/run/hike but the level of detail desired from the post just to move forward with planning was ridiculous and many wouldn't offer buy in unless the entire thing was planned with no commitment. Many weren't even willing to help him (even though he was willing to do 90% of the planning).

We do a good job executing Color Guards for Veterans Day, Memorial Day, and Funerals. However, one of the other major issues is a lot of events get planned during the day when younger Veterans are working. Their thought process is that it'll get more older Veterans to show up, but consequently you lose out on a lot of support.

Funding and membership for the individual posts seems to be a huge issue since there are less and less Veterans joining as well. Until these organizations start doing more to reach out to younger Veterans I don't see them lasting much longer, despite the good that they do for Veterans through lobbying.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Apr 9 at 2015 1:12 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 13:12:37 -0400

I was part of the VFW for a year but just don't see paying every year for something I really don't use.

Response by SPC Allison Joy Cumming made Apr 9 at 2015 3:03 PM

SPC Allison Joy Cumming — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 15:03:06 -0400

At first I joined only the VFW. Not because I thought it was better, I am the only veteran in my family so organizations like the DAV, American Legion and the VFW were new to me. The VFW "came" to me and sought me out. At first I didn't want to join more than one. I felt joining an organization I did not have the time to participate in was "wrong". I later learned that the work all the VSO organizations do at a legislative level is based on numbers. The more members the better. I am a member of the VFW, DAV and the American Legion.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 5:14 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:14:07 -0400

I am currently working on the SAR for family reasons, have thought about VFW and AL and was a member of the AL post where I live but didnt have a chance to renew due to financial issues... Love what they all do.

Response by Col Richard Donnelly made Apr 9 at 2015 8:15 PM

Col Richard Donnelly — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 20:15:13 -0400

I joined the VFW just before retiring. Once we found our "forever" home I joined the local Post. A good group of guys, though I found myself about the youngest. Some just come to the meetings but some are active and interested in doing more. The AL group here is smaller but has a few active members. We're working together to plan activities and doing some outreach to local Vets. Both are good organizations with potential to do good things for veterans and the community at large.

Response by Cpl Alex Whitney made Apr 9 at 2015 8:38 PM

Cpl Alex Whitney — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 20:38:04 -0400

I am an Iraq vet and belong to the American Legion. Most likely one of the youngest (33) in my post and definitely the youngest officer (1st Vice Commander). While I can join the VFW, I just haven't done so. Basically, I want to be part of something I join and I spend a lot of my time at the Legion. It amazes me how much we do just at our Post level - and so much more at state and National levels. Many veterans think of these places as an afterthought and an old mans club - simply true! I love coming to my post and speaking with WWII and Korean veterans, of which are dwindling each year. It's touching to see the faces of our older veterans when they speak Of their time in service. More importantly, it's rewarding to help out others - a veteran, family members of vets, our children and our community. For those who are not members, you need to join! Collectively, we have a voice in Washington with the Legion and other veteran service organizations. If any one has any questions about the Legion, feel free to ask away!

Response by LTC J. Lee Mudd made Apr 10 at 2015 12:47 AM

LTC J. Lee Mudd — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 00:47:24 -0400

I joined the VFW in the summer of 2005 as a Life Member. Although I am not especially active in my local Post, I wear my pin as a tie tac in uniform and on my jacket lapel. I'm also an on again/off again member of the American Legion.

Response by PO3 Tanis Huston made Apr 10 at 2015 11:12 AM

PO3 Tanis Huston — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:12:04 -0400

Reading these responses I think that I might need to seek out my VFW or AL and check it out. Up until reading this I have always felt that I didn't belong. The thougts i justified this feeling was telling myself because I am a girl they won't accept me since most are from the older generation that still views women in the military as weird, or that I am a girl that was a mechanic, or that I only spent 6 years in and choose to get out for my daughter as I was a single parent that I somehow wouldn't meet their standards of a true veteran. There are probably more but these seem to be the recurring ones.

After reading I think this would solve an endless discussion between my husband and I on how can we help our fellow vets. I think may also give us peace of mind to be around people that still share the same pride and honor around it have no one to share it with.

Thank you!

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Apr 10 at 2015 11:18 AM

GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:18:15 -0400

I am a proud member of both . . .

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 11:22 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:22:14 -0400

Yes, I am a member of the American Legion. Not eligible to be a member of the VFW.

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Apr 10 at 2015 11:28 AM

SFC Stephen Hester — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:28:57 -0400

No, I haven't joined and have little experience with either one.

Response by PO2 Barry Baker made Apr 10 at 2015 1:57 PM

PO2 Barry Baker — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:57:02 -0400

I joined both the American Legion and VFW within weeks of getting out. I only paid a year each. Both basically were just bars that held once or twice a month spaghetti dinners.

I was insulted at the Mt Clemens MI American Leigon post by 3 Veterans in their 60's cause I was not drinking. I left and let my membership expire.

I never returned to either. When I inquired about assistance to file for my VA disability I was blown off. I ended up going to the VA Hospital in Ann Arbor and the DAV filed my paperwork and 8 months later I was collecting my benefits.

I went to a VFW post in Olongopo Philippines and it was actually a nice place and I was treated very well. It is all American Expats and from experience expats are nicer than regular Americans.

My experiences with Veterans Orgs have left me jaded against them. I know many other Veterans have great experiences with them so I am happy that they are there for them. Until the Legion and VFW transform into something else than a bar for angry vets to hang out at I do not wish to attend.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 4:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:01:13 -0400

I joined the VFW 4 months ago because of a similar post here, at 54 I’m the new kid. yup they have a Bar and bar flies but you need to look deeper into it. I’m shocked at how much they do and give to the community. That bar generates revenue that they give away. Yes they don’t open up to new people quickly but I’m sure they have seen many come and go. I’m determined to reach younger vets, and create programs that they want to see. It’s a challenge but I’m up for it. This month I became their Facebook guy, so I’ll create a facebook page for them and try to reach out on social media. If anyone has been successful in the area of social media and the Vets I can use the ideas

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 5:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:35:01 -0400

Life member of the VFW, that being said I have not been to the VFW in over ten years as I am not interested in hanging out in a cigarette smoke filled building with a bunch of bar stool occupiers. I let my American legion membership lapse years ago as the local post was even worse than the VFW. I know that the quality of Posts varies greatly even within a State, I am simply waiting until I am retired to become an active member.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 6:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 18:22:51 -0400

I'm not a veteran of a foreign war. I also don't relate well with other veterans, so I doubt the American Legion would want anything other than my money.

The American Legion seems great, but like I said, I doubt I'd be welcome. I'm not even allowed in my local VFW for voicing opinions (when directly asked) that in their eyes make me some sort of turncoat. I'm not un-american.

Bust because I think anyone's religion shouldn't be in anyway endorsed by our government, or that I think the president shouldn't be blatently disrespected (just criticised to an extremem degree when appropriate), I'm asked to leave and not come back. Turned me off to all the VFW posts.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Apr 10 at 2015 8:49 PM

SFC Christopher Perry — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 20:49:56 -0400

I made a little visit to the McKinney VFW today. I could not leave without filling out the application.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 9:41 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 21:41:40 -0400

I've been a member at my local VFW post for about 7 months now and I really enjoy it. It's a small, close knit group of men and women who generally all get along. Since I have been a member, I have never been on the receiving end of any negative treatment from the older vets (except for the typical ball busting that is common with soldiers and vets), quite the opposite actually.

They all found it interesting that I was as enthusiastic about joining as I was and since I have been a member here, I have brought in several new members and have done as much as I can to enlighten the younger vets of a place for them to meet and establish good community ties with some really good people

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 11 at 2015 3:05 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 03:05:17 -0400

I started a life time VFW membership tonight.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 11 at 2015 10:55 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 10:55:29 -0400

I belong to neither. I remember the active years with neither AL/VFW on the radar. When I shifted to reserves, 1 2/3rds full time jobs, adopting kids, etc. Again not on the radar. My sporadic brushes with the organizations over the years left me feeling they wouldn't wind my clock. Unfortunately the ones I checked out were disguised as organized gripe societies.

Since retiring from the military side, I got very busy with soccer refereeing and in recent years administrating referees on a state level for Special Olympics and running them for the USA Games.

So like anything else, it's a matter of what you want to support and there are more choices out there every day. I do encourage folk to make an informed decision which means check AL/VFW out more than a drive by at the county fair. If a good fit, go for it. "Results may vary".

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 11 at 2015 3:49 PM

SPC Charles Brown — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:49:55 -0400

I am a life member of the VFW, and on a year to year basis with the American Legion as well as the DAV. I do what I can but feel that there is more to be done by all of these groups. We have the few drunks and smokers in some of these organizations, but they are few. God bless the Veterans from Korea, Vietnam, And the current conflicts, you all deserve more than you get. Thanks for your service.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Apr 12 at 2015 8:01 AM

SSG Gerhard S. — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:01:38 -0400

I have a lifetime membership with the VFW, and renew my American Legion Membership yearly. Both are great organizations that are active in the community, AND go above and beyond in their support of their membership, and of the Military in general.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 12 at 2015 8:59 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:59:50 -0400

No.

I am a lifetime member of Association of the United States Army (AUSA), The Mititary Police Regimental Association (MPRA), the Faternal Order of Police (FOP), the International Chiefs of Police Association (ICPA), and the US Army Ranger Association. That is enough.

I never joined the VFW, DAV, or Legion, nor do plan to. Why should I? Why would I? They are dated organizations who don't embrace change, or Soldiers of the modern era (post Vietnam), in my view.

I get tired about hearing about the Nam, from guys who spent 6 months deployed, and many of whom were not even in the field. It seems everyone I meet was special operator... Who knew there were so many... I think they have no concept or respect for the modern Soldier, or what they deal with. Everything was harder back in the day. My deployment time is relatively low by most MP standards today. In 33 years I deployed 7 times, not including training missions, and have close to 36 months in combat... Which by today's standard is low.

The VFW, Legion etc are doomed if they don't focus on attracting post Vietnam era service members.

Many have asked me, but no one can articulate why I would/should join.

Tell me why I should join, and what these organizations do to help. AUSA can articulate that.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Apr 12 at 2015 11:43 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:43:46 -0400

I looked into both. My service was immediate post-Viet Nam (BTW I enlisted as a matter of familial obligation and pride). So both told me I could join as a "wanna be" but my service dates didn't allow me to be a full member. The basic message was that I could hang around as long as I kept quiet. Perhaps I may be forgiven if my......gratitude cup didn't exactly overflow at their offers........ Funny thing is, I still get regular solicitations in the mail to join. *grin* It was a bit ironic back then. The civilian world wanted nothing to do with vets and the veterans organizations wouldn't accept us either.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Apr 12 at 2015 4:21 PM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:21:34 -0400

I'm a lifetime member of VFW and joined to build friendship with fellow veterans like myself.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 4:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:32:46 -0400

I joined in the 80's thinking it was something more than it turned out to be . I did not feel the support I had expected . In my area at that time if you were not a Marine you were nothing and had no say in the post. And the drinking was second reason to quit .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 4:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:46:16 -0400

I have belonged to both - and have let both memberships lapse. The problem is finding a group that is active and not sitting on their past accomplishments and complaining about the state of the world. One post I belonged to the older guys (who I have great respect for) did nothing but talk about "back in my day....".

I belonged to another volunteer organization who liked to brag on their accomplishments during the Second World War. That is great - but what are you doing now?

I would probably rejoin one or the other IF I could find a post that wasn't stagnant and only wanting me to be there to clean up the meeting hall or add my $$ to the coffers.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 4:54 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:54:31 -0400

I thought about joining when I returned from Iraq, and my father was a lifetime member of the VFW. However, I don't know if I'll ever get over the staunch support for DADT I saw from both organizations. That really turned me off to them.

Response by SGT Chris McDaniel made Apr 12 at 2015 5:57 PM

SGT Chris McDaniel — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:57:19 -0400

When I left the Army in 2007 I joined the local VFW. I did not stay active and have not sought it out following my treatment.

I came from a small Indiana town. I got out right as the local Nat'l Guard unit (field artillery, yuck) was deploying to Iraq.

I had some issues arise after leaving the military. My best civilian friend and I had a falling out. My mom became very ill. I thought the VFW would be great to be around vets.

Not my experience. I went in to the VFW once. I was the youngest guy in there, by about 3-5 decades. First a guy approached me and asked if I'd been in Iraq. I said yes. He walked off.

A second guy came up and asked if I was in the local guard unit. I said no. He said "oh" and looked at me sideways and walked off.

A third guy came up and asked if I knew the local kid that had just passed in Iraq in a HUMMV accident. I said no. He made some snide remark and walked off.

No one else approached me. I drank another beer and left.

I guess I just didn't feel any connection. And I felt like no one considered me a "real member," because I wasn't a NG guy and didn't know Joey Strong. I'm reticent to join now for similar reasons.

Response by Cpl Mischa Brady made Apr 12 at 2015 7:18 PM

Cpl Mischa Brady — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:18:21 -0400

Yes I have joined the VFW and am commander of my post.

Response by SSgt Chris Frey made Apr 13 at 2015 1:59 AM

SSgt Chris Frey — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 01:59:36 -0400

I am a member of the VFW only because my grandfather told me to join. So I went and I felt out of place. These guys were 2 my age and lived a different war. I enjoyed talking and respect them. But I also feel like I shouldn't have to pay to be a member. I did that when I spent 2 years of my life in Afghanistan. I'm glad theres people fighting for us but I wish there were more chapters with vets that served oif/oef. But maybe it's just my area like the military philosophy goes experiences may vary.

Response by SGT Neil Doty made Apr 13 at 2015 10:29 AM

SGT Neil Doty — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:29:19 -0400

I was a member of both and in my hometown they are both older membership and the vfw disbanded and the legion isn't far from it i was the commander of the legion for a while but moved and it was hard to make meetings so i had to step down and now im not a member of either of them

Response by CAPT Douglas McDonald made Apr 13 at 2015 11:14 AM

CAPT Douglas McDonald — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:14:02 -0400

Joined both groups..

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Apr 13 at 2015 2:46 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:46:53 -0400

Before you read, understand that I know many places are different, and this is only my account, like one of many...
I'm a member of both the VFW (Life) and the AL (Annual)... In the VFW, I've been Jr Vice Commander twice and Sr Vice Commander once... After my stint as Sr Vice, I finally had to back out of it due to the politics, race relations, sexual discrimination, and this list can go on... No... they weren't Major, but even minor incidence's can be just as damaging... Ans no, I didn't just sit on my a$$, I actually got heavily involved with the local VFW for approximately 5 plus years, but unfortunately, some of the stigma indicated in the FB Post you have above (and many others, they all read the same way) are partially(?) true... I think it is mostly due to the fact that for a long time, these organizations were run by Vietnam, Korean, etc. Veterans and by the time the Gulf War hit and began producing a new generation of Veterans, there was a huge "gap of the wars" and those "Good Ol Boys" weren't sure how to take us... There are a lot of older Vets in these organizations that are concerned, and have that "they are going to try and take over the last thing we have" attitudes... You know, the "Key Masters"... One of my many projects as Jr and Sr Vice, besides trying to get younger Vets into the V, was also trying to get our female Vets involved more with our local organization... This proved to be difficult as a lot of our old timers couldn't accept the fact that "Yes, we have many female Combat Veterans now, and yes, we will refer to them as "Comrade"..." And when they started to show up, were given answers like "Oh, you need to speak with the Ladies Auxiliary..." (I remember having to restrain a female SFC a few years back... she refused to join after that). This was one of many things I faced as the "youngest kid on the block"... Needless to say, one can only pound their head against the wall for so long, and though the Post Members thought I was a great Officer, I decided to remove myself from the politics, as I seemed to be making more enemies than friends of the Post Officers... I will admit, when I look back on it now, maybe I removed myself a little too quickly, as I'm amazed that quite a few of my changes instituted are still in place, and I'm still asked opinionated questions by a few of the current Post Officers... Hmmm... Maybe there's hope for them yet... :)

Response by Sgt Dale Cusack made Apr 14 at 2015 7:35 AM

Sgt Dale Cusack — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 07:35:20 -0400

I personally put off joining because of memories of my father and uncles always going to the post to drink and swap stories. They never introduced me to the other programs that the AL or VFW had to offer. I first joined the Legion for selfish purposes, proof of being a veteran to get a discount, and was invited to a meeting where I found what really happens. I am now a life member of both and see many good works being done by both groups and am lucky to have good posts in my area although I know that is not always true for other areas.

I recommend you meet the members and check out what programs they are involved in to decide if the local post meets your needs but don't stop there if the local post does not meet your needs, look around the area and I am sure you will find a compatible group and be able to do something positive for both veteran's and the general community you live in.

Response by SGT Tim Dickinson made Apr 14 at 2015 8:37 AM

SGT Tim Dickinson — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:37:34 -0400

I joined my local AL back in NJ, but they didn't seem to do much other than local parades and sit around the hall and drink beer. I asked several times what are we doing or what can I do? Never got an answer. We moved to NC a few years ago to make a fresh start and I haven't had time yet, between work and going back to school full time

Response by SSG Dave Rogers made Apr 19 at 2015 12:10 PM

SSG Dave Rogers — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:10:11 -0400

I belong to both the VFW and the American Legion and later the DAV. When I got out of the Army, I needed help with processing my claims and getting back and forth to the VA Hospital. I also felt out of place, the American Legion helped with my paperwork, the DAV gave me rides to the VA Hospital and the VFW had groups and activities for me to learn about adjusting to being back in civilian life.

It seemed only fair that I join them as a way of giving back. My dues help pay for services, and when I can I try to volunteer to help out so that others after me continue to have assistance. I don't understand soldiers who use the services but don't believe in supporting them with at least membership. The VFW by me has mostly 70-90 year old members, yet there are lots of younger veterans in the area that get support from them.

Response by SSG Warren Hall made Apr 19 at 2015 10:38 PM

SSG Warren Hall — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:38:35 -0400

I am a member of the DAV and PVA. I am also in the American Veterans MC. As an MC, we go to Veteran Retirement Homes and help out as we can, ie: Donations, mowing the lawns, bringing them necessities, ect, and just go have a good time with them, I do believe that they enjoy us spending time with them more than anything, letting them know they are NOT forgotten and we DO appreciate their sacrifice to our Great Country.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Apr 19 at 2015 11:01 PM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 23:01:54 -0400

American Legion.

Response by SSgt David Swart made Apr 22 at 2015 8:47 PM

SSgt David Swart — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:47:54 -0400

No never saw the need!

Response by Matthew Torrelli made Apr 23 at 2015 6:18 PM

Matthew Torrelli — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:18:39 -0400

Yes I did but let my membership lapse for American Legion and I'm a life member of the VFW

Response by Matthew Torrelli made Apr 23 at 2015 6:25 PM

Matthew Torrelli — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:25:35 -0400

I'm a life member of the Vfw, but I was a American Legion regular member.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Apr 23 at 2015 7:07 PM

CW5 Jim Steddum — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 19:07:16 -0400

I am a life member of the VFW. My chapter is run predominantly from vietnam vets. I learn from them every event.

Response by MAJ Michael Scharff made Apr 24 at 2015 7:41 AM

MAJ Michael Scharff — Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:41:39 -0400

"Just a vet"... not qualified for either...

Response by SGT Michael Touchet made Apr 26 at 2015 12:47 AM

SGT Michael Touchet — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 00:47:45 -0400

I have received several letters in the mail for both but have not signed up. Lately I thought about going to visit to see what it is all about. After reading this thread I definitely will check it out.

Response by SGT John Wesley made Apr 26 at 2015 8:51 AM

SGT John Wesley — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 08:51:08 -0400

Archaic. In Florida it seems they are just a cheaper place to buy a drink.

Not saying that it's the norm, just my observation.

Response by SPC Christian Ziegler made Apr 26 at 2015 11:11 AM

SPC Christian Ziegler — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 11:11:48 -0400

I joined my local VFW, Daniel Boone Post 5578 in Madison WV., Feb 2014. I had a few older members that talked big. But I did not lose my cool I just listened and tolled them what is expected from todays troops. A few still don't get a clue but I ignore them. But most where really happy to see me, and by June that year the Jr. Vice Commander position opened and I was nominated and voted in office. This year im Jr. Vice again. We don't have a Canteen so no drinking all we do is community related, from handing out food baskets during the Holidays, Honor Guard, Parades, Talking at School's, helping with just about anything that people request us for. I just cant get any younger Vet's to join there is just 2 of us. All they think is we sit around and get drunk.

Response by SGT Lawrence Corser made Apr 27 at 2015 9:52 AM

SGT Lawrence Corser — Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:52:03 -0400

I joined the VFW because of grandfather was involved, but have since stopped going, mostly due to cost.

Response by MAJ Morris McGaugh made May 1 at 2015 6:45 PM

MAJ Morris McGaugh — Fri, 01 May 2015 18:45:52 -0400

I am a member of both.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 7:36 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:36:27 -0400

I have belonged to the Marine Corps League, the VFW and the American Legion. For some reason, even though we have a LOT of Marine Corps Vets where I live, none are interested in joining the MCL. There are only a couple I know who have joined the VFW, and the American Legion seems to get a few new members now and then.

I joined the VFW because I am a veteran of Desert Shield/Storm. I left the organization after a couple of years when i realized all they wanted was money. I left the MCL because it seemed like a social club for officers and enlisted, even staff NCO's were treated the same way we were in the Corps, like second class citizens. I am an active member of the American legion because we do things in our hall. We sponsor Boys and Girls state, the legion baseball team, have dances, dinners and breakfasts. I throw an annual Superbowl party for all veterans and members of the post. It helps to have a kitchen, a private bar and a dance floor. I am working on getting younger veterans to join, but it's hard when the older vets have an issue with them. I have tried to get through to them but they don't get it. It's definitely a generational thing. I have been working on getting a pool table, electronic dart machines, and some BIG flat screen TVs so we can have open nights, like Monday/Thursday night football; order fights; Sunday football, and things other than square dances and sock hops. It seems like a fruitless battle.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made May 6 at 2015 11:31 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Wed, 06 May 2015 23:31:19 -0400

Paid up for life member of the Legion

Response by SGT Aaron Dumbrow made May 10 at 2015 10:50 PM

SGT Aaron Dumbrow — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:50:05 -0400

I am fairly new to attending meetings at my local American Legion Post, but I am surprised by the culture. We are doing the right things, meetings are efficient, and we are doing the typical things that have always been done. We as organizations need to be reaching out to help younger vet's, and getting involved in our communities. Parades and ceremonies are great, but with my children growing up and moving on to college, I want to be doing things that make a difference. I want to be involved in my community helping with disaster relief and emergency response with other veterans. I want to work along side them to make things better, like we did when we were active. I need that type of interaction, I am working to make these changes happen in my local post, even attending our state convention to learn more, but I think this is something that is going to require younger leadership. I am getting involved as a leader, and I hope to recruit others to do the same.

Response by SPC Allison Joy Cumming made May 18 at 2015 10:59 AM

SPC Allison Joy Cumming — Mon, 18 May 2015 10:59:45 -0400

Wow. I am so upset to hear so many Vietnam Veterans still feel they and their lives are not appreciated. I appreciate each and every veteran that have served and will serve, regardless of "era".

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 8:13 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 20:13:52 -0400

I haven't joined because I want to be settled first. I am due to retire in a year and a half, and if I do join I want to form strong connections with the members in my chapter... Also, this is a little embarrassing, but the chapter in the small town I live in is about 2 miles form my home - but it is dry! I don't want to join a dry VFW. There is one about 22 miles form the house that serves alcohol, but it could pose problems because I have to drive ot get there... Just sayin'!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 9:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 21:21:05 -0400

I am a member of both organizations.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 9:31 PM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 21:31:14 -0400

I was a member of a VFW post near Dallas while I was stationed at Fort Hood. A buddy got me involved since his uncle was a member. That was 5 years ago. I now reside in Maryland and I'm an "at large" member. There's an AL post 3 miles from my house. Next to the train station where i park my car everyday. I've never stepped inside because when you look through the windows you'll see slot machines.

Response by 1SG Brian Allen made May 18 at 2015 10:57 PM

1SG Brian Allen — Mon, 18 May 2015 22:57:50 -0400

I joined the American Legion in my town. We did not have any Veteran Organization 3 years ago and a handful of us formed a Legion post. We ate now the only formally recognized Veterans Organization here in Pflugerville, TX.

Response by SGT David T. made May 18 at 2015 11:04 PM

SGT David T. — Mon, 18 May 2015 23:04:42 -0400

I was a VFW member. However, I did not feel welcomed in the post. I would get glared at and carded for my membership card repeatedly in a single visit. This has happened in three different posts in three different states. Any organization that is so anti-newcomer does will not get a single cent from me. Don't get me wrong I believe in what the organization stands for on paper, its just in practice I don't like being treated as a second class citizen because I wasn't in Nam.

Response by SFC Terry Clay made May 19 at 2015 11:33 AM

SFC Terry Clay — Tue, 19 May 2015 11:33:12 -0400

I am a Lifetime member of the VFW, past post and district commander. Now I work for them at the Department of Missouri level as a Veteran Service Officer at the local VA, helping our Nation's veterans get the benefits they deserve.

When I first joined 15 years ago, right after I retired, I was the young pup, now, I'm one of the old guys in the room, I think that there has been a real turn around in younger members joining. Membership is what you make of it.

Response by Pvt Diane Pownall made Jun 24 at 2015 11:11 PM

Pvt Diane Pownall — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 23:11:42 -0400

I haven't joined any organizations because I was busy raising a family and moving to various locations, but after reading your article, I think I would like to seek out the American Legion in my area and see what I can do to help.

Response by CPL(P) Bret Farritor made Jul 4 at 2015 5:42 PM

CPL(P) Bret Farritor — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:42:38 -0400

AL PUFL, VFW Bronze Legacy Life, DAV Life, AMVETS Life, AMRA Life, TREA Life, AUSA Life, NCOA Annual

Response by SSG Izzy Abbass made Jul 4 at 2015 6:31 PM

SSG Izzy Abbass — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:31:35 -0400

Joined both and served as the Commander of VFW Post 1 - the First Post - for 5 years. I'm proud to say we changed the image of our post as we have probably the largest number of women Veterans, a huge number of student Vets, have 50-50 members show up at our meetings and do a lot with the community. Both organizations are important - without them we would not have had the GI Bill or many other Veteran benefits.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 7:37 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:37:52 -0400

I am a member of both.

Response by SPC Thomas Baldwin made Jul 4 at 2015 9:05 PM

SPC Thomas Baldwin — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 21:05:34 -0400

I am a member of the American Legion.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 4 at 2015 11:03 PM

SFC William Farrell — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 23:03:39 -0400

Life member of VFW and the DAV. VFW membership was first given to me by my uncle when I had just returned from Vietnam. I used the DAV in processing my claims with VA. Never joined the Legion.

Response by SSG Ricardo Marcial made Jul 4 at 2015 11:47 PM

SSG Ricardo Marcial — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 23:47:07 -0400

Yesterdays REMF is todays Fobbit and you Fobbits know who you are.

I have chosen not to join either. I have talked to a few members of IAVA, and I have not been convinced to participate as a full member with them either. But if I need to make a choice I would go with IAVA. I have gotten the occasional "old soldier" give me "you new guys don't know what war is" which I just take with a grain of salt. I imagine WWI vets telling the same thing to WWII vets "you new guys never experienced gas attacks or machine guns like we did". Hell I had a 98 year old Marine call me a "boot" when I told him I served in the Corps. That really made me laugh.

Anyway, they all serve their perspective generation and service men and women. They are all looking after Joe/Jane so that works for me. I'l make up my mind one of these days, in the mean time, just sitting at a post and listening to the stories is worth more that the actual membership.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Jul 5 at 2015 1:31 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 01:31:33 -0400

I joined the Military Order of the Purple Heart.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 5 at 2015 1:53 AM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 01:53:48 -0400

I was an American Legion member for years. I do not qualify to join the VFW as anything but an auxiliary. That said, I let my AL membership lapse because I had other priorities, little disposable income and no time. I might return to the AL at some point, but at this place in my life, I restrict my membership dues to organizations I can actively participate in.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 10:57 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:57:02 -0400

I've checked out both. Had a few beers and went to a few events and will get more active as I get less active in military

Response by Maj Jerry Winans made Jul 17 at 2015 7:57 AM

Maj Jerry Winans — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:57:13 -0400

Just last week this USAF retired vet joined the American Legion, after years of my brother-in-law (US Navy) reminding me, encouraging me, and sending me application forms. I joined online. My biggest reason not to join? The last time I went into the local Legion post to check it out, the whole place was thick with cigarette smoke. I am a non-smoker, so this was a total show-stopper for me. Then, last spring, I happened to be attending a professional conference at the same convention center where the American Legion was holding a national conference. I bumped into a Legionnaire from my home state and we talked for awhile. I mentioned the smoking thing and he said all chapters nationally are now non-smoking. Also, my son is approaching the age when he's eligible to attend Boys State, as I did in high school. Boys State left a very positive impression on me and led to my becoming Governor last year. (Just kidding! I have never run for an elected office, but I have voted in every election since my high school graduation!) So, I joined online last week. Wonder how long it takes to get my membership package through snail mail?

Response by SN Victoria Glover made Jul 17 at 2015 7:40 PM

SN Victoria Glover — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:40:35 -0400

I joined the American Legion and I enjoy the commraderie. I am the Post Chaplain and enjoy it. I would recommend all vets and Active duty to join either one or both VFW or AL, and if you do not have the funds I am sure your dues would be covered. My post has helped many vets and that includes me with funds.
I first thought that these groups were for HEROS. I finally went and was totally accepted. I may not have been in active combat but I did provide the behind the scenes support and the members have never turned me away. They are dual members of both the Legion and VFW and keep trying to get me to join. When I am retired I will join but between work and Legion I get swamped with work. In fact I am still recovering from color guard duty at the July 4th parade. Y'all stay Blessed and safe.

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jul 23 at 2015 4:26 PM

SPC Tony Bucaro — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:26:01 -0400

I have been a LIFE Member with the VFW for the last 10+ years. I haven't checked out the American Legion yet to see what they have to offer but I plan on it real soon.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Aug 5 at 2015 5:41 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 05:41:24 -0400

I am a member of Caldwell, Idaho VFW even though I live in Denmark. Idaho is where I grew up and decided to keep my membership there. Not too many of us here in Denmark, and I'd probably never get to Germany's post as it's in southern Germany.

Response by TSgt Alberto Castillo made Aug 5 at 2015 2:47 PM

TSgt Alberto Castillo — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:47:06 -0400

I am a member of both the Legion and VFW. I can see why young vets are turned off by the these groups because the "Bar" seems to be the face of many posts. They are often dark seedy places with drunks giving you the stink eye. My solution is to get involved, get in a position to make things change with like minded people. I am not a Vietnam vet or OEF. I'm one of those guys from the lesser known Gulf War so I don't fit in either way. If you don't like it, then change it!

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Aug 5 at 2015 10:52 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Wed, 05 Aug 2015 22:52:11 -0400

I joined the American Legion. I did so for the fellowship of those who served.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Aug 6 at 2015 10:12 AM

PO2 Peter Klein — Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:12:40 -0400

Got out of the Navy in '70, sold my dress blues on the way home and didn't look back. IN '87 visited The Wall. Three months later I was on the board of Vietnam Veterans of San Diego (VVSD.) VVSD, founder of Stand Down events for homeless vets just seemed a better way to go.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Bly made Aug 7 at 2015 9:10 PM

SPC Jeffrey Bly — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 21:10:23 -0400

I somehow fell between the cracks in the system and I'm told I do not qualify for membership to the American Legion. My dates of service (July 85 - April 88) are not acceptable to get in.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2015 9:22 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:22:30 -0400

Yes, Life Member of both and Life Member of the DAV. Past post commander of the first two, as well.

Response by SFC Terry Fortune made Sep 3 at 2015 11:40 AM

SFC Terry Fortune — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:40:17 -0400

Member of both

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Sep 3 at 2015 12:01 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:01:56 -0400

I have been a member of the American Legion for about 50 years. I originally joined because one of my college fraternity brothers had just been elected post commander and he was recruiting younger vets. Been a member since then although a few years ago I moved to a different area and became a national member instead of belonging to a post. I was made welcome from the start and my first post had veterans from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. We even had several women members. I have continued to belong because the posts in my area have always done a lot of good for both veterans and the youth of the community. I am not eligible to join the VFW although I have several nice certificates from them for donating money. I also donate to the DAV and several others.
I am sure that some people have had problems with local posts because some vets do resent more recent vets but I have never had that problem. Now I am the old timer.

Response by PFC Robert Falk made Sep 4 at 2015 12:47 AM

PFC Robert Falk — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 00:47:31 -0400

I am on a limited budjet, plus I feel that I payed my "dues" already by being in service.

Response by SFC Dean D. made Sep 14 at 2015 10:30 AM

SFC Dean D. — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:30:40 -0400

I am a member of the American Legion and believe they deserve my support for all the good work they do to support veterans nationwide and politically in Washington DC. Any veteran that doesn't think the AL and VFW don't do much for them needs to wake up. The AL and the VFW do tremendous amounts of work to look out for veteran's benefits and other issues on Capitol Hill. Even if you are not a member, you benefit from their efforts. Annual dues in the AL and/or VFW are a small price to pay to ensure they can keep up their good work and I recommend all veterans that can afford it to do so.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2015 2:36 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:36:32 -0400

I've noticed a lot of people saying "life" member of VFW and "annual" member of the Legion. Was the main factor the great discounts that VFW gave us on life membership when OEF/OIF kicked off?

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Sep 14 at 2015 3:00 PM

CW3 Eric W. S. — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:00:47 -0400

I have not and WILL not. I would not consider it, even if it meant having the assistance I need in life from other Combat Vets.

I have visited multiple VFW posts in my career. I have never been so rudely treated or felt so out of place in my life. I was ostracized for being "one of the crazies" in the Iraq war. I was deemed "not old enough to relate to a 'real' combat soldier" by the Vietnam vets. I was laughed at because my time prior to 9/11 was "not real war". I am looked down upon because I don't drink to excess out in public. I can fully understand that there is some resentment from the Vietnam Veterans, because the combat vets of Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, and Iraqi Freedom were welcomed home much more rapidly than they were, but there is no reason to pass on the hatred to a younger generation just because you experienced it. Just because the WWII and Korean war vets did not welcome you home with open arms and because the hippies called you names does not give you carte blanche to perpetuate your hatred to younger combat vets.

I have researched many posts and this attitude promulgates nearly every one I have been to. I have seen them overseas (in multiple countries), I have read and observed them in multiple states. I have looked into Post 1 out of Denver, again, found quite a few things that bothered me.

Additionally, I see the AL and VFW try to polish their images by giving several token awards annually to high school JROTC programs, but that does not make up for the damage they do on a daily basis through their actions to the younger generations of combat vets. These organizations are merely on a glide-path to their own demise. I think at this point, it should happen - just let them fade away with the remainder of those that hold them so dear...

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Sep 14 at 2015 3:06 PM

CW3 Eric W. S. — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:06:46 -0400

Jack, I am glad you were able to find a post that met some of your needs, but I can assure you, it is not like that and the posts that welcome post 9/11 vets are VERY few and far between.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Sep 14 at 2015 4:47 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:47:47 -0400

I went with Military Order of the Purple Heart.....

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2015 12:27 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:27:39 -0400

Sir, I joined the VFW last year as a lifetime member. I went to the VFW for help with my Agent Orange claim, so felt it was only right to join. I am currently a Member at Large, but will consider joining a Post, now that I am retired. If I join a Post, it will have to have a strong commitment to helping veterans.

Response by SGT Stephen Wylie made Sep 16 at 2015 10:18 AM

SGT Stephen Wylie — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:18:56 -0400

I belong to both VFW and the American Legion, but unfortunately too many have too few available/willing active members to do much, so they end up being just another bar.

Response by SGT Mike Davis made Sep 16 at 2015 7:24 PM

SGT Mike Davis — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:24:52 -0400

Seem they both like to drink a lot I'm not much into that and I like I think most of the new generation are have young families doesn't seem to be a lot of family type activities a bar is not a place I go with my wife maybe a resterant to have dinner nationally they seem to be on top of their game but locally they seem to be lacking for the new generation I do belong to project healing waters I can hang with other vets and fish no drinking and something to do at the same time seems more inviting and the wife is invited

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Sep 19 at 2015 2:05 PM

SGT Scott Bell — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:05:16 -0400

Not yet no time

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2015 12:15 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Sep 2015 00:15:04 -0400

I have been a member of the Legion since I originally ETS'd in 1998. Since I am active duty they of course pay my dues and I attend meetings and parades and such when I am able to get back home on leave. A great bunch of guys and I like the work they do for the community back home. However, I have also heard that a lot of Legion halls and VFW's have "issues" with the younger generation when we try to attend meetings or something. As if its a WWII/NAM/ Korea/ Gulf thing only.

Response by SSG James Courtney made Oct 21 at 2015 2:16 PM

SSG James Courtney — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:16:54 -0400

Keep trying to find your calling! I'm a member of VFW, and comfortably numb! They don't give you cold shoulder, you have to take the initiative that comes from the heart! Off topic, but there are thousands of backlogs at the VA from all branches, all wars, and when combat veterans feel a cold shoulder from our government, then some of these organizations will feel a cold shoulder from combat veteran, because he feels that he would still get screwed, This could be one of the many reasons they have not joined. How can you pay your dues, if your not getting compensated, and wife, mom or dad is picking up the tab?

Response by 1stSgt John Sims made Oct 21 at 2015 4:18 PM

1stSgt John Sims — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:18:18 -0400

I recently re-joined the American Legion. I had left both the legion and VFW for not feeling welcome when walking into a chapter. Both organizations tend to shun veterans who do not belong to their particular chapter. The chapters with bars in particular. I have seen people criticized on their service for not serving in the right conflict or the branch of service they were in. Both organizations tend to be more about money, dues, than actually welcoming new members.

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Oct 22 at 2015 4:49 PM

MAJ David Vermillion — Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:49:03 -0400

Too many activities that revolve around alcohol. Why is this, we can't be social without alcohol.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2015 10:58 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:58:52 -0400

I briefly joined the American Legion back in 2004-2005 timeframe in St Louis. Like most people here - I just witnessed a few veterans sitting around the bar, drinking and sharing "war" stories and when my friend and I walked in - we could tell they were trying to feel us out and see where we had been, etc.. It was a weird vibe and not a very welcoming one. I never went back - and I can't speak for my friend if he did.

What i'm guilty of is not really knowing the key differences between VFW and AL (other than the serving in a foreign war/conflict) - and when asked, most people just say you have to go to both to figure out which one you like best. I'd like to be more active in a VSO - but finding the one that suits me the best seems to be a daunting task right now - as I'm juggling active duty service, potential grad school and church events.

Is there a side by side comparison of the VSOs (primarily AL and VFW)? That may be a stupid/funny question - but I think it would help a lot of vets that haven't joined, zoom in and focus on one over the other.

Response by MSgt Daniel Attilio made Oct 29 at 2015 11:59 AM

MSgt Daniel Attilio — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:59:00 -0400

I am a member of the VFW and American Legion but am active in neither. I am also a member of the Marine Corps League and that is the organization I participate/involved with.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Oct 29 at 2015 12:29 PM

SSG Audwin Scott — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:29:15 -0400

I use to be a member when I was stationed at Ft. Benning, once I retired and moved to Florida, I really hadn't considered locating a VFW.

Response by SFC Laurie Emmer made Nov 2 at 2015 7:21 PM

SFC Laurie Emmer — Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:21:22 -0500

I am a life member of the VFW and 82d Airborne Division Association. I am very active in the VFW having served as a Post Commander and now as a District Commander. I am pushing for change in the 25 posts within the district I am a Commander of. Posts which embrace change are seeing younger veterans become involved and higher membership. This isn't easy for our older veterans and this does take treading easy. I respect all of my fellow veterans. Promoting teamwork and comradeship is just as important as instituting change. We are in this for the commonality of helping our fellow veterans and continuing to serve in our communities.

Response by CPT Brent Ferguson made Nov 4 at 2015 6:35 AM

CPT Brent Ferguson — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 06:35:36 -0500

I have not joined, but after reading your post here might reconsider it. When last I visited, it was a smoky, dismal place. I chose instead to direct my time and energy toward helping the local Boy Scouts. (Smoking not permitted.)

Response by SPC Donald Tribble made Nov 7 at 2015 1:21 AM

SPC Donald Tribble — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 01:21:28 -0500

I am not eligible for either one based on my Service Dates. I served between Grenada and Desert Storm. The joy of being a Cold Warrior!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2015 5:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:18:33 -0500

i joined the VFW and i gotta say , these monthly meetings that they have are creepy. Maybe its because im the youngest there. All other members are in their 50's , 60's and what not.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Nov 18 at 2015 6:14 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:14:38 -0500

DAV and JWV (Jewish War Veterans) and I'm sort of a member of IAVA

Response by SGT James Allen made Nov 18 at 2015 6:27 PM

SGT James Allen — Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:27:19 -0500

I'm a life member of the VFW. Served as the Post Chaplain for 3 years and was in charge of the Honor Guard for 8 years. Always looking for fellow members of Desert Storm. The Iraq and Afghan Vets need to step up too. The VFW and American Legion have a very powerful voice in Washington. Lets work together for a more powerful voice on Veteran Affairs.

Response by MCPO Steve Spence made Nov 19 at 2015 6:32 PM

MCPO Steve Spence — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:32:20 -0500

I have joined both organizations, but spend more of my time with the Legion. My reason for spending more time with the American legion is because of the work that is done for the community. As soon as I joined I got involved with Boys State here in Florida. This year I am a Vice Commander and will again be involved with Boys State. I am not involved with Girls State because we have an Auxiliary member that handles the young ladies. Our VFW's and Legions in the area have combined to have an Honor Guard that provides for Military Honors when a veteran passes on.

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made Dec 8 at 2015 7:23 PM

SFC Thomas Howes — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:48 -0500

I keep being ask to join the American Legion but my local post allows members to smoke in the post I do not smoke and being around it makes me sick is there a rule about smoking in the post my VFW do’s not allow it can anyone give me advise?

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made Dec 8 at 2015 7:25 PM

SFC Thomas Howes — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:25:43 -0500

Response by Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce made Dec 8 at 2015 9:04 PM

Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce — Tue, 08 Dec 2015 21:04:11 -0500

I joined AMVETS because they are active with Elderly and Homeless Vets and they have a relay for Life team.

Response by SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT made Dec 9 at 2015 11:22 AM

SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 11:22:22 -0500

I have been a life member of the VFW since 92. Being a member of several different VFWs in both Arizona and Texas.
I never joined the American Legion because I do not agree that Cold War veterans are not eligible.
My brother served in Germany with the 8th ID and years In an MP reserves unit in New York State

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2015 1:56 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:56:34 -0500

Joined the VFW, went to one in Alabama and Texas....both were sad. Old men drinking beer and complaining. Haven't been back since.

Response by LTC Chris Norton made Dec 9 at 2015 1:59 PM

LTC Chris Norton — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:59:33 -0500

I belong to both. I'm not a very active member of either, but understand their importance.
One of the most critical things that either entity does is represent US in the community. Most Americans no longer have any real exposure to us in our gated communities, and have shamefully outdated and inaccurate impressions of "the Veteran".

The comments about needing to adapt and embrace the post 9/11 generation are spot on as a result of the above.

Beyond being our "face", other critically important things they do, in no particular order (for the most part done by volunteers, mind you):

1) Their Service Officer Programs are designed to, and are very effective at, connecting Veterans, service members, and our families to benefits and assistance we already earned. Most of us have no idea it's out there, and are too stubborn to ask. A true lifeline in time of need.

2) Lobby for us. There's a LOT of be said when your organization has multiple million members on the books. Washington listens. As big a fan as I am of the professional organizations, their voices are simply not as loud in this venue. Much more effective in the "beans and bullets" conversations (Yes, I belong to MOAA, ROA, and just recalled I need to renew my AUSA membership).

3) Civic engagement. If you volunteered to serve (post draft), you answered a call. That all often extends to continuing to serve our communities. More opportunities here than you can shake a stick at.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Dec 9 at 2015 5:59 PM

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 17:59:05 -0500

Don't leave out the AMVETS. I was a 2nd Vice and a Public Relationships Officer for a time at the AMVETS. My mother, a Navy Veteran, is a bartender for the local VFW in Portage Pa. I have attended American Legions in the past, but the one in Portage is not liked by a lot of Veterans due to the proprietor of the establishment. He effectively disbanded the ritual team which was hen moved to the VFW; along many other things. I do encourage people to check out all three of these organizations, it's a great Way to serve the community and our fellow Veterans!!! I just get a little bit frustrated that younger people (my age and younger), have no sense of duty or community. They don't care to even participate and support these organizations. Portage is home to a lot of Reservists too, and they would rather spend cash at the more "hip" joints that charge them double the price on their drinks. They do not support any military functions whatsoever.

I also served on the Portage Ritual Team, my mother still does. We need younger men and women to start filling in the shoes of those that are well into their 70s and still doing it. I only stopped doing it, because I got enrolled into Penn State University. Us younger men and women are looked down negatively for a number of reasons, let's not give our Elders another one. Start doing your duty to Veterans and the communities we reside in.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2015 10:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:00:55 -0500

I just got accepted to the American Legion, and am trying to join the VFW, but the VFW hasn't accepted me yet, my DD 214 doesn't say anything about my service in Korea from 96-97...hopefully they will accept me. I like both organizations.

Response by LTC Martin Metz made Dec 10 at 2015 12:41 PM

LTC Martin Metz — Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:41:01 -0500

I belong to both and the IAVA also for good measure. Doing so is just an extension of serving. The challenge is to keep them relevant to the younger generation. IAVA seems to lead for that.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Dec 11 at 2015 9:52 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Fri, 11 Dec 2015 21:52:38 -0500

CPt Jack Durish, Sir. Goodevening, I am a member of both the VFW, and American Legion they are listed on my likedin Professional Profile.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2015 1:14 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:14:53 -0500

I am a life member and the current Post Surgeon at VFW Post 2830. I initially looked into the VFW because my Senior Chief informed us about the organization and the good it does. Now that I have joined I definitely can see the weariness that the Vietnam era members have when the OIF/OEF dudes start to become actively involved in the post and want to update some things. I believe that puts off so many vets from the current wars from joining. I also struggle with getting information on how to properly execute my duties as Post Surgeon. The by-laws aren't exactly geared toward guiding that particular position and I had zero turnover from my predecessor. I didn't even know such a position existed until I was nominated--haha.

Response by PFC Chip Des made Dec 17 at 2015 1:16 PM

PFC Chip Des — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:16:20 -0500

what about us who were in 1977-1978? we are not considerd "war veterans" even though we sufferd through the Carter Adm and the boat lift?

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Dec 26 at 2015 1:36 PM

SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:36:53 -0500

I joined the American Legion back in 1997 because at the time I was unable to join the VFW and had never heard of the Fleet Reserve Association (FRA). I have since become life members of the latter two but as most probably know - the American Legion do not offer discounted life memberships. While I would like to be a life member to them - it's hard for just about everyone to pony up $750 even if given a year to pay for it. I am currently in the process of joining the Disabled American Veterans but at least their lifetime membership is only about $250 or thereabouts. I no longer belong to the American Legion, and the constant issues with dues and the frequent raising of dues and lack of connection as well as the lifetime membership rate was part of it.

I tried looking for the FRA post here in Roanoke, VA. It took me to a residential area in Hardy, VA and I'm wondering if the post meets out of another location but all administration is handled via that local mailing address.

I've been to several meetings in other locations I have lived but have only been by the VFW Post here in Roanoke that is near the airport. It seems to be the only one in the area with an active lounge. I drove by one of the other posts and it looked run down and didn't have any signs of life. I enjoy the lounge bantering and getting to mingle with the older Veterans.

Now that I'm retired from the Navy, I hope to get to be more active with the VFW post. They seem to have a very active Post and I would enjoy giving back and rubbing elbows of my fellow brothers and sisters who have donned the Cloth of their Nation. I'm hoping that more Vets my age would be a part as well.

Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Dec 29 at 2015 9:16 PM

MAJ Rene De La Rosa — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:16:17 -0500

A main reason to join is to have camaraderie, whether your were on the front lines or not. The organizations are in serious need of a massive infusion of "new blood," because the old Soldiers, Airperson(s), Marines, and Sailors are dying off. By joining the organization, it gives the person and the organization an opportunity to collaborate.

Response by Capt Brandy (Thompson) McDermed made Jan 12 at 2016 10:20 PM

Capt Brandy (Thompson) McDermed — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 22:20:30 -0500

I am recently retired as of NOV15. I would like to join these organizations, however, I do not feel like I would fit the mold. I was medically retired after a mere 5 years of active service. I was never afforded the opportunity to deploy anywhere. Therefore, I'm either ineligible or would feel extremely out of place.

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Jan 12 at 2016 11:36 PM

SGT Jay Ehrenfeld — Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:36:45 -0500

I am lifetime member of all three

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made Jan 13 at 2016 12:39 AM

PO2 Michael Henry — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:39:34 -0500

I am a paid in full lifetime member of the American Legion. Been too busy with work and a full time school schedule to do much with my local post. I joined so I can meet other vets, trade stories and help others. I also see it as a possible advantage with locating better jobs when I finish my BS degree in Network Security. Especially since today's military is becoming more tech-savvy.

Response by PO3 Richard Benyi made Jan 13 at 2016 4:09 AM

PO3 Richard Benyi — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:09:04 -0500

I did,MarketTime wish I could have done more 3+ cruises

Response by SCPO Fred Andy made Jan 13 at 2016 7:30 AM

SCPO Fred Andy — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 07:30:45 -0500

At one point I joined the American Legion via a national mail campaign. The first thing I received from my local chapter was a bill for chapter dues, not an invite to come down or a welcome to the fold. Soured me immediately. I quickly let that membership lapse. i also checked out a local VFW chapter, but it was nothing like my father's chapter. There was very little activity, no real facilities and I quickly lost interest.

Response by PO1 Randy Darrah made Jan 14 at 2016 11:57 AM

PO1 Randy Darrah — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:57:31 -0500

I am the Commander of my VFW POST. We do a lot of stuff for the veterans. We welcome all who are in the post, but the thing that ticks me off is when we have any kind of activity it's always the same 7 people who show up. My post has 70 members. Most of them I've never even met. So if you are going to join a post, show up to help out with activities, not only when there is free food. God Bless America and God Bless the VFW.

Response by PO1 John Logiudice made Jan 14 at 2016 12:14 PM

PO1 John Logiudice — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:14:13 -0500

Joined both. Paid for life membership in the VFW. I let American Legion laps because the yearly dues were to high and the cost for being a Life Member was crazy high compared to the VFW.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 12:57 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:57:09 -0500

I became a lifetime member of the VFW upon my return from Afghanistan. Because the Legion lifetime membership cost significantly more than the VFW one, I enrolled there as a regular member.

Since then I have let my Legion membership lapse, and I am inactive in my VFW post. The legion post I was a part of spent its meetings drinking and smoking, and discussing who in the community needed to borrow a wheelchair or walker. I didn't feel as if I was contributing anything by being there.

The VFW posts have tended to be a bit better organized, and are more active in the community, but there still seems to be a trend where they are focused on the established, annual events (laying flowers on graves every Memorial Day, for example), and I can't recall a single incident of them taking action to respond to a major current event (like the VA scandal).

That, combined with the fact that all of the local posts meet on Tuesdays and/or Thursdays (which is when my Kempo class is), has contributed to my participation dropping significantly. Because I am a lifetime member, I am still on the books of my local VFW post, and I serve as one of their trustees, and help out with the odd community event, but that's it.

Response by Sgt Jason West made Jan 14 at 2016 1:10 PM

Sgt Jason West — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:10:43 -0500

I'm a member at large in the VFW, never actually been to a meeting at my local post. I am a member of the local post of the Legion. I've only made 1 meeting in the 2 years I've been a member though. I just always seem to have something else going on during the meetings or I just flat out forget. I'm not sure of the VFW, but I know the local Legion post here in my town has been going out of it's way trying to get younger vets to join and get involved. They understand that without them, the Legion doesn't have much time left really. Last time I was there, they were working with a new volunteer group at the local college campus to try and bring together the Legion and younger vets in school there.

Response by Sgt Tammy Wallace made Jan 14 at 2016 1:49 PM

Sgt Tammy Wallace — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:49:59 -0500

I do not belong to either. I don't feel as if I'd be accepted well at either and furthermore, I didn't know I could join. Honestly, I always thought it was for male veterans of the Vietnam War and earlier..

Response by PO2 Terry Carlson made Jan 14 at 2016 2:17 PM

PO2 Terry Carlson — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:17:57 -0500

I served active duty in the USN from 1984 to 1989 and inactive through 1992. During my time of service, there were no foreign wars. I was on inactive duty at the beginning of the Gulf conflicts. Thus, I was informed by the VFW and the American Legion that I do not qualify to belong to either organization. Does this fact still stand true?

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Jan 14 at 2016 5:53 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:53:15 -0500

I haven't joined either. The reason is that I have visited both and I couldn't see the other end of the hall through the cigarette smoke (nothing against smoking...just not my thing) and the smell of alchohol permeating the room. If I want that, I will go to a pub. From what I have read, through others talks, they aren't about embracing change for the next generation either. What has worked in the past will work in the future for our chapter mentality.

I might join and give them my membership money because they have a good lobby for veterans but I won't attend any meetings.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 1:14 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 01:14:46 -0500

Honestly it IS very hard to feel like I belong. There is a huge age gap. However, I joined my local VFW Post and I can not complain. Everyone is very social and nice. They're quite active and whenever I'm not working, I make sure to join in our community service opportunities. I have a conference this weekend and there will be an open discussion for current members. My question will regard membership because I know that there are many Veterans that don't fit the criteria simply because the lack the medals. If you signed the dotted line and served honorably, you should be allowed to join. My VFW Post's membership numbers are high...it's the lack of participation that kills it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 7:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 19:39:35 -0500

I just joined the American Legion this week.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 9:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:12:44 -0500

Joined the Legion a long time ago. It just seemed natural at the time, but it really is a good source of information and a great support group.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2016 3:47 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:47:10 -0500

I'm a VFW member but I haven't done anything with them and really don't know as much about what they do as I should. Any current members out there willing to educate me?

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Jan 16 at 2016 6:36 PM

SSG Don Maggart — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:36:42 -0500

Bunch of Drunks Supporting a Bunch if Drunks from all Appearances joined DAV instead and Mason's Instead..... Speaking of my Local Chapters your mileage may vary.They let our Local VA sink to 9th Worst in the Nation not a Peep...laffs

Response by MSG Brian Breaker made Jan 16 at 2016 10:07 PM

MSG Brian Breaker — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 22:07:00 -0500

No.
My only experience with the VFW was right after Desert Storm. I joined the Army Reserves and walked into a VFW one weekend in uniform to ask about membership. I stood at the bar with more than 30 people in the place. 1st ID combat patch on my sleeve I waited 10 minutes and not one person spoke to me. A few years later I went into the same VFW with my mother-in-law at the time who was an auxiliary member and never did get a warm response. She told me I could join, but never gave me a good reason why I should. I can drink at home and I already have life insurance. VFW and American Legion as so many have said are dated organizations that need to accept change. As I get closer to retirement I think about joining a vet organization, but hesitate when it comes to the VFW or American Legion. I believe I can do more by volunteering to support homeless veterans or work with vets that have PTSD. The only difference is will not get to wear a cool hat with all my medals.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2016 12:51 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:51:44 -0500

I joined VFW as a member at large because am OCONUS. I will find a post once I get back to CONUS.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2016 12:57 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:57:38 -0500

I am also a lifetime member of the 82nd Airborne Association, if that counts. I was an annual member of AUSA but have not renewed my membership in a while. Will renew it once I get back to CONUS.

Response by SSgt Rilene Ann made Jan 17 at 2016 7:49 PM

SSgt Rilene Ann — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:49:17 -0500

lobby for veteran rights

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2016 9:29 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:29:04 -0500

I'm a member of the VFW, however, I'm not active. The VFW in my town is more of a night club for non vets and is known for drug activity. Because my civilian occupation is a police officer, I'm not exactly treated well by the customers at the VFW, even though the staff treats me well.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2016 1:28 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:28:59 -0500

We need to support these organizations because they help veterans, as well has provide fellowship with other vets.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Jan 21 at 2016 12:02 PM

CPO David Sharp — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:02:55 -0500

For Sea Service Veterans there is also the Fleet Reserve Association. This is a National Organization which along with the VFW and Amer. Lefion, stands up on Capital Hill for Veterans rights Active Duty, Reserve, Veterans and Retired. The Organization is a representative for Navy, Marines and Coast Guard. More info can be found at http://www.fra.org.

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Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Jan 21 at 2016 7:58 PM

PO1 Don Mac Intyre — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 19:58:03 -0500

Neither. When I was trying to get help from the VA for a service related injury I was told I needed an advocate. I was assigned one from the AL. He called me once, told me that I was a whiner. Never showed up at my hearing.
When in Indianapolis I was looking for the USS Indianapolis Memorial. Thinking it was in the Veterans Park that is where I went. The AL headquarters is in the park, but, the doors were locked. I asked some members who were entering if they could help me find the Memorial. Their response was not polite. If that is the way the organization treats people, I don't want anything to do with them

Response by CPO Tim Dickey made Jan 21 at 2016 10:46 PM

CPO Tim Dickey — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:46:06 -0500

CPT Jack Durish, I have not joined. I guess that having a young family and making them a priority is most important to me right now. In four to five years that may change once my kids are teenagers.

Response by PO1 Michael Lee made Jan 22 at 2016 12:15 AM

PO1 Michael Lee — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:15:10 -0500

I tried but my dd 214 didn't show I was in a war even tho I served in the navy during desert storm.

Response by SMSgt Gary Harrah made Jan 22 at 2016 3:31 PM

SMSgt Gary Harrah — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:31:32 -0500

I am a member of the American Legion, AF Sergeants Association, NCOA, and a life member of AMVETS. I am not eligible for membership in the VFW as most of my service was during the Cold War, and was in Recruiting during the First Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan campaigns so did not deploy. I believe that all of these organization do an outstanding job in serving veterans and military personnel, as well as lobbying for all on issues that affect us all, both veterans and those still serving. I recommend that we all take the time to be involved with at least one of them as it is one for us to "continue to serve" and ensure that we will always have a voice!

Response by SGT Christopher Premore made Jan 22 at 2016 4:31 PM

SGT Christopher Premore — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:31:51 -0500

VFW life member I have had great luck with all the VFW's I have been to sadly I can't say the same about the American Legion.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jan 22 at 2016 5:21 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:21:20 -0500

Nope...I don't want to get roped into doing projects.

Response by 1SG David Niles made Jan 22 at 2016 9:13 PM

1SG David Niles — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:13:26 -0500

I am part of both, service done, service still.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Jan 22 at 2016 9:50 PM

PO2 Peter Klein — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:50:48 -0500

After getting out of the Navy in 70, I quickly found that no one wanted to hear anything about Vietnam. Just hunker down and get on with life. Went to DC and visited The Wall. Found that helping fellow vets was better than drinking at a VFW so got involved with Vietnam Veterans of San Diego - the originators of Stand Down. Great organization! It helped me put things in balance.
Never had any interest in AL.

Response by COL John McClellan made Jan 27 at 2016 5:04 PM

COL John McClellan — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:04:28 -0500

Yes, I was given a 1-year VFW Membership as a retirement gift, and now I'm Adjutant of my Post, #3282 in Port Orange, FL.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 9:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:50:07 -0500

I have definitely thought about it. I did some cursory research when I got back but still haven't gotten around to actually joining. Not sure why to be honest.

Response by TSgt Dawn Premock made Feb 26 at 2016 1:24 PM

TSgt Dawn Premock — Fri, 26 Feb 2016 13:24:14 -0500

I am a life member of the DAV, VFW and AMVETS. When I went to join the American Legion, I was handed an Auxiliary application, I looked at the guy and showed him my ID and told him to shove his membership where the sun don't shine.
I went to my first meeting at the VFW and they didn't want to let me through the door until I pulled my membership card out and said "Bam there's your card" there were all men in the room. It took them a while to get used to a female in the room. Next thing I knew I was a Trustee.
I devote the majority of my time with AMVETS. A male friend of mine brought the Post Commander to my house. We chatted for a while and I was treated like a fellow veteran. Now I am a National District Commander over 7 states. I am also on National committees.

Response by SSgt Cedric Hathway made Mar 1 at 2016 10:54 PM

SSgt Cedric Hathway — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 22:54:07 -0500

I never served in combat as nothing occurred during my 4 years of active duty service. Every mailer I received always excluded my time frame for regular membership. June 1975 - June 1979
August 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon/Grenada)
February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam)

Response by MAJ Joe C Mayfield made Mar 20 at 2016 2:22 AM

MAJ Joe C Mayfield — Sun, 20 Mar 2016 02:22:00 -0400

I was a member of the VFW but quit when they endorsed GHWB after he gave a speech in Sep saying that was day Japan bombed Hawaii. Then the VFW endorsed a man for Congress, who had never served, instead of an Iraqi veteran who lost 2 legs & her right arm, Tammy Duckworth. How is that standing up for Veterans?

Response by Sgt Doug Willey made Mar 22 at 2016 9:57 AM

Sgt Doug Willey — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:57:13 -0400

all veterans need to join at least one of the major players in the va business am legion vfw ar my recommendations the dav is good but legion has the best customer service but don't join because of the bar join for the programs and information that is available to you

Response by Cpl Barry Greive made Mar 24 at 2016 4:22 PM

Cpl Barry Greive — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:22:09 -0400

I would like to, but can't join either, my dates of service fell in between the dates for eligibility in both organizations, 5/1985 - 5/1989. I served for 4 years, and am disappointed I can't join. I am a Marine, and would have gone anywhere at anytime, its not my fault there wasn't a conflict going on during my time of service. Very dissapointing

Response by SFC Wade W. made Mar 24 at 2016 10:49 PM

SFC Wade W. — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:49:35 -0400

Yes. I am a VFW, AL, ALR, Sons of the AL and DAV member. I personally like all of my local organizations. I have been in arguments with several people, older and current generation, about who did what, when, where, etc. All veterans deserve the support of these organizations whether they are members or not. But to keep these groups strong we need members. If you haven't already, join.

Response by Amn Anne Hofferkamp made Jul 15 at 2016 8:34 AM

Amn Anne Hofferkamp — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:34:14 -0400

My dad signed me up for TAL when I was in Basic. He was visiting a town with a post & a guy was giving 1 year free promotions for those AD. Dad paid for his & mine was free. We both stayed members but eventually changed from the initial post (that one had 26 members). It's been 24 years now & I've served in mostly all-male memberships & typically as the only female & youngest active member (I welcome OIF/IEF era). I've been a chaplain, jr. vice, and served on the color guard. I also signed up for WIMSA (Women In Military Service to America) as a charter member many years ago. I'm also a life member of Amvets. I joined Amvets because many of the same people who are members of TAL are members of Amvets. Both posts are in a separate city than the one I live in. I left my previous post because of political disagreements - the "guys" didn't want me as sr. vice and elected a past commander as sr vice over me. The post that "sees" me the most is the VFW down the street - I'm not eligible for the VFW - but the drinks are cheap and when I want one that's where I go.

Response by MSgt Rosemary Connolly made Jul 21 at 2016 1:56 PM

MSgt Rosemary Connolly — Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:56:00 -0400

I'm a member of AMVETS (Post adjutant), American Legion 759, VFW 755, Air Force Sergeants Association, Catholic War Veterans Post 1916, WAF Association, Womens Overseas Service League, and WIMSA. I maintain a findagrave site for a national cemetery, I find it sad that veterans die without any affiliation in a veterans organization in their obit (often left out by survivors I might add when I know they are a member of my post). At least support AMVETS that accepts ALL honorably discharged veterans. There's always other support groups. I'm a member of Soldiers Angels. Not joining is like not voting ~ you have little voice in veterans affairs without putting your membership where your mouth is. My membership(s) support many veterans, not just myself. It's a sharing thing!

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made Nov 17 at 2016 5:16 PM

SPC Alejandro Martinez — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:16:20 -0500

Just this past Tuesday, 15 Nov 16, I finally stepped foot inside the only VSO in my town that I know of, the American Legion Post 447 in Round Rock, Texas. Despite the tobacco stench hanging in the air, I hung around, checked the place out, and hunted for some information. Some of the guys were friendly, most of them kept to themselves, but still, I felt no reason to split immediately. When I finally found the post commander, we conversed and I was surprised to find out that they meet every first Tuesday of the month at 6pm to discuss activities, charge $45/yr for membership, have a web page ( http://www.txlegion447.org ), keep a FB page ( http://www.facebook.com/GeorgeJohnsPost447 ), and need a person to fill the spot of post chaplain. I saw evidence that they celebrated Veterans Day, cater to alcohol drinkers, have plenty of tables, chairs, and big screen tv's, and have an atm on premises, and rent the party area out for events. Awesome! If I do become a member, I don't see myself really hanging around much on premises often without a purpose. I would really rather not inhale that much secondhand smoke and smell that much beer breath (Because of my height, my nose hits most people's mouths.) From the outside, the post looks inviting, though. Here are some pictures I took. I am going to investigate how politically active they (The American Legion) are and how advantageous a membership (at Post 447) turns out to be. Finally, to my Facebook veteran friends that live within driving distance of Round Rock, if YOU drink and smoke, this is the place to be! Tomorrow is Friday, people!! Have a great Autumn/Thanksgiving 2016 season, people!

American Legion Post 447 - Round Rock, TX

American Legion Post 447 - George Johns Post, Round Rock, TX

Response by CPO Mike Castro made May 4 at 2017 3:47 PM

CPO Mike Castro — Thu, 04 May 2017 15:47:14 -0400

I joined the VFW and FRA while on active duty, currently VFW Service Officer for Pacific Areas District 2 (Mainland Japan) being allowed to represent the VFW in this appointment is an absolute privilege.

Response by PO1 Bob Underwood made May 6 at 2017 10:19 AM

PO1 Bob Underwood — Sat, 06 May 2017 10:19:35 -0400

Although the question was posted some time ago, the issue is still valid. Because I'm a member of both the VFW and American Legion, I'm concerned about the 'fake news' out there about both. I also belong to two other larger associations. All suffer with membership issues, greatly influenced by 'fake news' about them.

Just an observation but the Congressionally chartered groups, which are run by the membership and seen by Congress as representatives of the Veterans' voice, seem to be on the down-slide while the johnny-come-lately 'non-profit businesses' that claim to help veterans are growing, apparently because they offer veterans something to distract their time with (the established groups can do that too). It doesn't help that many in another group of veterans, who's motto says something about 'never again shall one group...' or something like that, are doing what they criticized 40 years ago. They also make excuses of the top three (American Legion, DAV, VFW) based again on experiences 40 years ago 1) believing they haven't changed, and 2) not acknowledging they are now run mostly by their own conflict compatriots.

Too many non-member opinions are actually excuses based on a one-time experience. Unwilling to accept things are different (or let go of their anger), they spew this 'fake news' in retaliation on someone who was not involved. Time to counter with 'facts' and convince Veterans their only true ally on their issues are the 'chartered' organizations, and membership is necessary to keep that voice in D.C.

Response by Sgt Douglas Berger made Dec 15 at 2017 2:00 PM

Sgt Douglas Berger — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:00:50 -0500

The responses were/ are terrific. I have not but now I am going to look into joining the Vietnam Veterans of America.

Currently I am working on abolishing the"Table" used by the VA to combine Service Connected Disabilities. It does not perform the task it was designed to do. Example a person loses an eye and is awarded a 50% disability, and loses the other eye he then should receive another 50% for a total of 100%. Not 25% for a total of 75% as the table gives.

Interested? Read http://www.w3usa.com/rating.htm

combined Veteran disability claim

Veteran Combined Disability Rating

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 15 at 2017 2:19 PM

SPC David Willis — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:19:42 -0500

I joined VFW, but honestly don't go at all. I went once and felt out of place with a bunch of Vietnam vets and Korea vets. Now I was Infantry and did 2 tours to Iraq, but I also know that my war stories are nothing compared to some Vietnam guys and its weird but I was almost intimidated by them which is strange as nothing has intimidated me since I met my drill sergeants haha.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Dec 15 at 2017 2:52 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:52:57 -0500

I belong to both the VFW and Amer Legion. One gripe I have is that I became a Life Member of the VFW many years ago at a cost of about $385.00, Here I am now at age 63 and if I want to become a Legion Life Member the cost is something like $785.00 or a little less if I pay a lump sum. Also just paid my Legion membership for next year at $41.50, not sure I'll renew after 2018!!

Response by MSG Louis Alexander made Feb 13 at 2018 3:38 AM

MSG Louis Alexander — Tue, 13 Feb 2018 03:38:38 -0500

Visited Ft. McClellan, at Anniston, Ala in 1972 at the Chemical school and while there, went to the VFW outside of the base to have a drink with a fellow Vietnam Veteran. As we sat up at the bar we noticed several tables running along our backside filled with many veterans laughing and having a good time, when all of a sudden, this wirery looking guy approached us as ask if we were Veterans, to satisfy his inquiry we naturally stated yes and that we were still on active service visiting Ft. McClellan. The big burley ex-Marine working behind the bar ask us if we were part of the group at the tables, we told him we were not and that we had stopped by for a beer. Well before you knew it we were surrounded by a group of twelve or more and each were talking over each other. This one Gentlemen ask what war we fought in and we told him Vietnam. Vietnam, he shouted, Vietnam! Hell, boys that’s no fucking war, it’s a police action. I told him I bid the differ when all of a sudden four of them stood close to us and said, “You’re not welcome here”! Looking at my friend who nodded, he stood up, faced the group and looked at each one standing there before us. I told them you may consider it however you may, but our boys are dying just as fast as yours from whatever war you fought. We, this didn’t go over very well. So, my pal and I walked to the door and upon reaching it, they yelled “Go fight a real war before coming back your phony fucks”. Well to this day whenever the VFW solicits membership, I remember that incident and opt to ignore their pleas. I guess the real war Veterans of WWII are dying off and their ranks are thinning so now they’ll except anyone, anyone but me.

Response by Sgt Jim Keil made Feb 16 at 2018 4:36 PM

Sgt Jim Keil — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:36:31 -0500

I am a member of both the AL and VFW but more active in the VFW. Our VFW holds an annual dinner for veterans that are in VA hospitals. In addition to dinner, we give them clothing, gift bags, and commissary chits that the vets can use at the VA hospital. It's a lot of work but totally worth it. We place flags on veteran's graves for Memorial Day. My Legion is a nice post on the waterfront that the wife and I go to sometimes and sit on the deck to relax, have a beer and talk to other vets. We also enjoy going to different posts in different areas when we travel. As far as not feeling welcome, I have not had that experience at any post I have visited. I have made new friends from all branches, and all conflicts from WWII - Afghanistan. I have met a few tools as well who gave me the stink eye because they don't think deployed REMF's are worthy. Too bad, deal with it, DILLIGAF is my response. Overall a great experience. Give it a try.

Response by SPC David Willis made Apr 13 at 2018 2:44 PM

SPC David Willis — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:44:21 -0400

I'm a lifetime member of the VFW, but I couldn't tell you the last time I went in.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 23 at 2020 12:37 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:37:17 -0400

I'm a VFW Life Member.

Response by Sgt Jim Belanus made Oct 28 at 2020 2:46 PM

Sgt Jim Belanus — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:46:29 -0400

every vet should belong to a vets group be AL VFW VVA DAV . With out these groups, there is no one top speak for the Vet. My understanding was the VA sys was started to aid the wounded vets of WW 1 and mostly for the gas victims. Local Doctors and hospitals had no experience in treating these cases. The American Legion did play a large part in this and without continuing work this could be lost.