Was the CO of the USS Theodore Roosevelt out of line in his 30 Mar 2020 "open" letter?

2020-04-03T11:32:26-04:00

(Update: 14 Jun 2020) - While this story remains in the news (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/19/navy-wont-reinstate-crozier-fires-1-star-over-poor-decision-making.html), we are reminded of what is today!!!

On this Father's Day and Flag Day for 2020 it might serve all of us to think about all the fathers and mothers too who are serving away from home and on whom their fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coastguardsmen rely. While many have voiced opinions on many sides of this event, and its implications are not yet fully felt, the point is simply this quote:

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty (aka freedom)"

It does not matter who made the quote often attributed to a particular Founding Father, but with little tangible evidence to verify that attribution; rather, it is the meaning in the words that are much more important!!! In the world of politics, we are reminded, that the mastery of the gymnastic linguistics involved in the defense of an indefensible position is the tangled web woven by the venom of the spiders that need absolute power.

With > 22.5 views, >1.3 K likes and >370 comments as of this date this post has had a lot of play. I want to thank all those the posted. Have a great Father's day, Flag Day and think deeply about the event that will be soon upon us - the 4th of July. Our nation is difficult, but in that difficulty has always been hope. I continue to pray that our nation of men, of women, of black, of white, of so many others learns that our common humanity it more important than our, often contrived differences. We'd be wise to remember that:

ALL people have "...certain unalienable rights..." and "...that among thee are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..." None of which can ever be truly achieved when small minds are willing to act out of fear and ignorance to save only themselves and deny these "...unalienable rights..." to the least among us who are in our care!

Blessing to all....

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(Update: 13 Apr 2020) - Thank you SGT Private RallyPoint Member for this "interesting update" regarding the Pentagon's "worries" over CAPT Crozier's actions (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/pentagon-worries-capt-crozier-s-concern-for-his-sailors-may-be-contagious--3). Humm. So, a Pentagon spokesperson could have actually said. “...This makes us sitting here in the Pentagon look like out-of-touch asses....” Now that is interesting!?!?!?!?!

Oh, I love the phrase "Crozier-20" - funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

But, in all seriousness, if you are going to train officers and senior enlisted leaders that taking care of the troops is the #1 priority when it comes to being resilient, mission focused and combat ready, you should expect - the truth.

But, it is the update (https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/rising-navy-coronavirus-cases-put-heightened-tempo-into-question?loc=similar_main&pos=0&type=qrc) from PO1 William "Chip" Nagel that makes the update from SGT Private RallyPoint Member not just funny from Duffelblog, but actually poignant. Humm!

I'd bet good money that the CO has this over his desk in his stateroom: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Documents/maninarena.htm
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(Update: 09 Apr 2020) - Thank you SSG Robert Mark Odom for this intel - https://www.rallypoint.com/shared-links/roosevelt-sailor-with-covid-19-found-unresponsive-in-guam.
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Dear RP Family,

By now, the world knows the CO, CAPTAIN B.E. Crozier, of the USS Theodore Rooselvet (CVN-71) has been relieved of command for a letter he wrote dated 30 March 2020 regarding Coronavirus.

CAPT Crozier's letter (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php) is interesting and reminds me of another CO I once gladly served, CAPT Howick. Capt Howick, I believe, would have taken the same action as Capt Crozier, based on my service with him during an evolution at REFTRA in GITMO just prior to our deploying as part of Desert Shield.

Capt Crozier, stated the obvious impact and outcomes of an uncontrolled disease state on an advanced ship of war. Is that not what a competent war fighter does? So the YES's are:

- Yes, our enemies now know (perhaps have always known) how rapidly they can degrade our at sea war fighting forces with a simple 'invisible bug';

- Yes, I am sure the DoD, especially the US Navy, did not want to reveal this as I am sure it scared the crap out of the CoC;

- Yes, the families of those sailors are scared, but I think those who are honest with themselves are glad their sailors or marines served with this Capt. as much as I was proud to serve a CO like USN Capt. Howick or USMC Col. Doyle in the 1980s.

Perhaps what Capt. Crozier was thinking about was what Sun Tzu was reported to have said: "So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." His mighty warship was weakening and he knew it. The CoC was apparently not listening, so he took the only course of action that was seemly left to him in order to take care of "his crew - aka his shipmates" and "attempt to maintain mission readiness."

He knew the risk the letter entailed. While he has been relieved, I think he will be asked to retire; and, I am not sure he will be Courts-Marshaled for this "seeming insubordination" as such an act by DoD could be spun in the media, if they chose to, into greater questions that would expose the military's ability to protect our own in times of this kind of crisis. He did not commit a USA LT William Calley or a USN Chief Gallagher type event from their 'personal actions'. If anything, from his letter he has outlined courses of action that could become military wide, if not US Navy, medical doctrine going forward under similar future conditions and provide a better process for OPSEC under such conditions. Even when we get a handle on testing and treatment, there will be other "hidden COVID-19 type" threats. The question should be for the CoC, is how will we now keep our war fighters at sea safer and mission responsive, especially aboard one of the most powerful platforms in our arsenal?

I have been a carrier sailor and I am sure the CMO and Senior PMT along with the entire Medical Department on TR are busting ass. In closing, I remember the singular case of Legionnaires disease we got aboard the USS Coral Sea (CV-43) when to the Med in 1989. The young (20 yo) sailor died about 10 days after arrival on board after his leave. I was a new PMT then, it was interesting times.

Finally, my sister is a DoD Civlian in the ME and she tells me that troops are coughing all over in her particular indoor-based operations. This operation is not mission essential. Apparently, no PPE or social distancing is being accomplished when I last spoke with her 26 Mar (4 days before CAPT Crozier's letter.)

In any event, just sharing some thoughts from an old sea dawg!

Blessing always to the RP family,

Question: Did CAPTAIN Crozier ultimately show "genuine leadership" or "fool-heartiness" by the penning of this letter and transmitting it in the open?

BTW, if you want to understand how sailors and marines feel about those that lead them under difficult circumstances this video might tell you something - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpNT5KUYhTM.

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2020 11:41 AM

2020-04-03T11:41:50-04:00

I think he knew he would get fired for the letter, but still sent the letter IOT get his Sailors the help they need. One sign of a good/great leader (IMHO) is the willingness to rock the boat and/or take those sabot rounds for your people. I am not going to fault him for doing what he felt was right. Especially for his people. Yea, could he have gone a different route? Probably. But that is hindsight. If his people get the help they need, then it's a WIN for the Captain....regardless of him getting fired.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Apr 3 at 2020 11:42 AM

2020-04-03T11:42:19-04:00

CPO Nate S. Sometimes leaders have to do what they think is right and take that risk of losing their job by standing up for they think is right. There are regulations to be followed and OPSEC to be followed. I believe he could have accomplished the same thing by going through his direct Chain of Command, and then bypassing them using the Open Door Policy within his Chain of Command, if he wasn't satisified with the outcome or response. Just my opinion as a former Brigade Commander!

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Apr 3 at 2020 11:43 AM

2020-04-03T11:43:45-04:00

His actions were out of concern for saving lives of his crew. He likely requested official support from chain-of-command, but may have been rejected due to politics or bureaucracy.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Apr 3 at 2020 12:03 PM

2020-04-03T12:03:12-04:00

I'm not sure your answer options match your question.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 3 at 2020 12:08 PM

2020-04-03T12:08:15-04:00

None of the above, even a CO of a bird farm understands military protocol and chain of command. Also, bypassing the COC and publicizing the normal units that would explain actions being taken. Hope it was worth it, he lost it all. Shame, since it seems his crew held him in high respect. I would guess most career professionals understand this had to be done.

Response by MSgt Neil Greenfield made Apr 3 at 2020 12:09 PM

2020-04-03T12:09:49-04:00

Just see his crew send him off! https://apple.news/AMS8mOiAvSviqVrx4Bm8ORw

Sailors cheer Navy captain removed for coronavirus warning — CNN Politics

The commander of a US aircraft carrier hit by a major outbreak of coronavirus was ousted after writing a memo warning that decisive action was needed to save the lives of the ship's crew.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Apr 3 at 2020 12:17 PM

2020-04-03T12:17:42-04:00

I'm still at the "Yes and No" stage.
Making the letter public was definitely foolhardy. This is a matter to be discussed and decided confidentially within the chain of command. However, it was not foolhardy if the chain of command was not responsive.
Taking the ship into port without authorization was definitely foolhardy. This action has most likely encouraged Chinese military adventurism in the region. However, it was not foolhardy if the chain of command was not responsive.
Ultimately, great authority comes with great responsibility. All military commanders must be prepared to face the consequences of their decisions. Sometimes those decisions are very hard, such as ordering subordinates to go in harms way. That is the business of the military. No, no one should be forced to take unnecessary risks, however, I do not have sufficient information to determine if remaining on station was necessary or unnecessary. To be fair, I am inclined to say it was a necessity and thus, the risk to the crew was a necessity. War is as much about maneuver as it is about shooting and China has been maneuvering for strategic advantage in that region, especially regarding freedom of navigation.

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Apr 3 at 2020 12:23 PM

2020-04-03T12:23:41-04:00

None, of us know for sure what happened, how many times he talked to his COC. But every boot Ensign knows dang well once you go outside the lifelines, you will get smacked down. I don't care how much you care for your crew, and you absolutely should, you can't care for your crew when you are relieved. The only way I can support his actions (letter, not treatment of crew) is if he has a documented trail of concerns he sent up his chain that was denied or disregarded. Otherwise, all he did was ensure he would no longer be the advocate for his crew.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2020 12:29 PM

2020-04-03T12:29:26-04:00

Was it an open letter or was it leaked by someone?

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Apr 3 at 2020 1:44 PM

2020-04-03T13:44:30-04:00

If you air linen (dirty or not) publically, you run the risk of senior leadership not reacting well.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Apr 3 at 2020 1:48 PM

2020-04-03T13:48:22-04:00

I thought it was a ploy to fool our enemies that we might be weaker than we appear. Therefore, drop that other shoe.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Apr 3 at 2020 3:07 PM

2020-04-03T15:07:06-04:00

I'll say this: If he did the wrong thing, he did it for the right reason.

Response by Maj John Bell made Apr 3 at 2020 3:38 PM

2020-04-03T15:38:29-04:00

Never, never, never should have gone public.

Never, never, never should have stopped hammering home that his command was in serious trouble.

Response by Cpl Gerald Tucker made Apr 3 at 2020 5:01 PM

2020-04-03T17:01:27-04:00

Hoorah Captain Croizer!!!

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 3 at 2020 5:41 PM

2020-04-03T17:41:06-04:00

Both ways, taking care of your people- but higher command does not take bad news well, and maybe He went to far- its an OPSEC thing to not give out numbers- his showed the CV was Combat Ineffective.

Response by SSG Robert Cole made Apr 3 at 2020 7:29 PM

2020-04-03T19:29:01-04:00

Yes. Because he brought discredit on himself, the Dept of the Nave, the Uniform and the United States Government. A flag officer, out of all, knows better than to do this. He has enough rank and prestige to get his concerned addressed promptly without becoming political. Sucks to be in his shoes about now.

Response by LT Michael Watson made Apr 3 at 2020 7:57 PM

2020-04-03T19:57:17-04:00

It is a difficult decision of command, especially when dealing with a capital warship, and though we are not at war, the boundaries are thin. A commander always has to weigh the safety of his unit against that of the mission. This was/is a casualty not brought on by the actions or inactions of the Capt. , the crew, or the ship. The question comes down to was good judgement exercised in publishing the letter via unsecured channels, and did it bring unwarranted attention in a critical time? And I do not believe the CoC had any influence on the decision to remove Capt. Croziers, but SECNAV and members of the senior staff did.

As for any of our adversaries thinking this is a means by which to take out a strategic asset, if it were a different scenario the decision would have been to fight and decontaminate the ship.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 3 at 2020 9:18 PM

2020-04-03T21:18:47-04:00

Let's not focus on the bleeding heart stuff. Focus on the mental processes of the Skipper. That's what causes loss of confidence. He chose to inflict great Intel, Public Affairs, you name it damage. If he didn't know what he was doing, then that's worse. The result is the same but with him not around. I've chewed on Flag butt for getting mission without force protection and other things of emergent nature. But I always kept it private. No spilled Intel, no PAO bust, no other damage control. This Skipper lost his job because he couldn't separate the crisis from communications or implications of outcomes. People who go into Martyr Mode are ticking time bombs. I've been around a number of these types of command tosses as they'd cycle through our Transient Personnel Unit on their way to desk flying or CIVPAC. The one that really scared me was the ex Trident Skipper who couldn't understand why "CO of a nuclear missile submarine; ABLE TO DESTROY CITIES" wasn't the best way to convey a more sane impression on his resume. The balance I struck was focused on making sure I brought my people home alive while keeping Flags inside the Stupid Box.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Apr 3 at 2020 9:37 PM

2020-04-03T21:37:15-04:00

Since CAPTAIN B.E. Crozier, of the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) was [1] fully aware of the nuclear capabilities and weapons on board that ship, [2] he obviously new proper communication and [3] he should be aware of minimum security requirements for his ship; IMHO it was wrong of him to leak the information, My fried CPO Nate S.. Risks are a fact of military life. Long ago I was read on for a PRP mission during the Cold War. I understood that the missions we were assigned would most likely result in our death if the war broke out.
Since you limited the options to 3 and number 2 is biased in construction, I am picking 3 unsure. I would have selected other if that was an option.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 3 at 2020 10:14 PM

2020-04-03T22:14:20-04:00

I personally think the navy should STFU. The CPT identified a threat to his ship and his crew. He took casualties and wanted to save lives. The Navy is coming across that seamen are expendable and deaths are acceptable in non combat. As a commander should I be concerned about casualty and deaths? Do I want my kids to join an organization like that?

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Apr 4 at 2020 9:31 AM

2020-04-04T09:31:34-04:00

O Sailor always takes the hard right over the easy wrong. Promote ahead of peers.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Apr 4 at 2020 10:55 AM

2020-04-04T10:55:14-04:00

Rare as it may be, sometimes senior leaders need to take that risk...but feel the CO should have ran that up the chain...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2020 11:48 AM

2020-04-04T11:48:47-04:00

Captain Brett Crozier violated his chain of command, and inadvertently leaked a memo that endangered the operational security of the carrier. But he did it to take care of his crew, fully aware of the shit storm it would bring down and the impact it would have on his career, because a true leader is the servant of his subordinates.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Apr 4 at 2020 2:50 PM

2020-04-04T14:50:14-04:00

He was out of line.

1. Great that you have internet and wifi and email and cell phones but just because you HAVE them, doesn't mean that they are safe. OpSec, OpSec, OpSec. Can't be sending stuff open-air. Now every potential enemy knows that his ship has degradation due to health reasons.

2. He was the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier - he couldn't have flown people off/on?

3. Despite the gravity of the situation you're still a link within the chain of command. He doesn't have a red phone somewhere in his stateroom? If you don't like the speed that peacetime resolution travels at, then there are avenues for going further. He chose to make that public.

4. When you slight command you slight ALL OF COMMAND. Now all of the Navy is deemed as uncaring and insensitive and unprepared. He can't have thought that there would be no repurcussions.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2020 4:47 PM

2020-04-04T16:47:07-04:00

Unless you believe the SECNAV's recent press release was a complete lie, you cannot condone the CAPT's actions. How many who are supporting his actions have read that statement?

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 4 at 2020 5:18 PM

2020-04-04T17:18:06-04:00

Note the date of this article, right in the middle of a pandemic situation, a port visit releasing thousands to go on liberty that close to China, was kind of dumb. IMO, this created the crisis. The only reason it hasn’t been highlighted was it was approved by higher authority.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Apr 4 at 2020 8:32 PM

2020-04-04T20:32:28-04:00

I salute the man for his courage, integrity, compassion, and leadership. He may be gone but the ship can get back out there with a motivated crew to do it's mission. With what he posted, the politicos have been identified and shown the the US Public.. SECNAV and CoC ignored the problem, and now it is out there for the public to see. Leadership means YOU take care of your troops, because they are the ones who take on and complete the mission.. John

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Apr 5 at 2020 8:55 AM

2020-04-05T08:55:23-04:00

Currently, I'm in the "yes and no" category. While I commend the CAPT for attempting to highlight what he felt was a danger to his crew, the way he went about it was all wrong. IMO, any details regarding the combat capability of a ship (especially when talking about an entire carrier battle group!) should NEVER be disclosed in unsecured channels. Period.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Apr 5 at 2020 11:12 AM

2020-04-05T11:12:35-04:00

It's HOW HE DID it that bit him in the butt...

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2020 12:46 PM

2020-04-05T12:46:48-04:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but his was not an "open" letter. He wrote a letter up his chain of command that was "leaked" to the press. And it's not been proven at all that Captain Crozier was behind the leak.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 5 at 2020 3:26 PM

2020-04-05T15:26:19-04:00

I don't know. I don't know all the facts.

Response by SPC John Decker made Apr 5 at 2020 10:15 PM

2020-04-05T22:15:14-04:00

As I have not seen the letter and I'm not sure if the Admiral was looped in (at any point), I would have to say YES. He was out of line for presenting his letter in a format that he should have known would violate basic security.

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Apr 6 at 2020 8:40 AM

2020-04-06T08:40:55-04:00

Ironically, Teddy Roosevelt did the exact same thing, in almost the exact situation:
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/04/theodore-roosevelt-captain-followed-in-footsteps-of-ships-namesake-by-writing-bombshell-letter/

Theodore Roosevelt captain followed in footsteps of ship’s namesake by writing bombshell letter

The aircraft carrier’s namesake was once entangled in a similar conundrum.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Apr 6 at 2020 10:40 AM

2020-04-06T10:40:00-04:00

Since this has become an "opinion" column, then okay, he was wrong and he knew it. His actions put his ship and crew at risk and he knew it. I'm not convinced he did anything for the betterment of his crew. It sounded more like the actions of commander who'd lost his will to command. I found the chanting as he left the boat appalling as well. You're sailors...you sounded juvenile.

Response by CPO Timothy Dyer made Apr 6 at 2020 12:12 PM

2020-04-06T12:12:54-04:00

As a retired CPO I applaud Capt Crozier for looking after his troops. Do we know for sure whether he alerted his CoC and the blew him off? Was he responsible personally for putting out the letter or was it one of his addressees? I’m also an ICU RN taking care of COVID patients. If I was in his place and had a chance of slowing the spread I’d take it. This disease is not to be taken lightly. Stay safe.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Apr 6 at 2020 1:49 PM

2020-04-06T13:49:59-04:00

Not to make light of the situation, but he will probably sell the book/movie rights for millions.

Response by SCPO Melvin Burt made Apr 8 at 2020 5:32 PM

2020-04-08T17:32:39-04:00

He reminds me of WO4 that l once worked for. Mr. Viera was a man l would follow straight into hell. He was hard on you if you screwed up but he took your side against everyone. We handled problems at the local area. We never had Captain's mast while he was there.

Response by SGT Scott Moreland made Apr 8 at 2020 8:17 PM

2020-04-08T20:17:43-04:00

Given that all leaders must take responsibility for their decisions, going outside the CoC and revealing OpSec to potential enemy threats was foolish. It's well-known that units train together to build cohesion and readiness. The gravity of this mistake can be weighed by this question: would that carrier and her fleet be capable of performing should they be called tomorrow? A confident yes answer can't be given.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2020 10:16 PM

2020-04-08T22:16:31-04:00

He did notified his chain of command. They tough it was not worthy to make a big deal about the situation. He took the right decision for his sailors. By the way, that requires CHARACTER AND VALUES BEYOND SELF.

Response by PO2 W. Scott Decker made Apr 9 at 2020 11:30 AM

2020-04-09T11:30:46-04:00

Another Navy veteran friend asked me about this morning.
To be honest when I first heard about this and that a lot of Navy/military Vets were supporting the Captain I was a little bit taken back.
Of course, I have to tell you a story you should expect that from an Irish Navy Vet.
I was active duty for 7 1/2 pushing 8 years. During that time there were all these stories about people who had used the chain of command in some pretty interesting circumstances. We were all taught about the chain of command in boot camp and told we had the right to use it. That said my only first-hand knowledge of someone using the chain of command in the way it was designed to be used when there's something that's in violation of the regulations or just needs to be dealt with was myself. I won't go into all the gory details or call out anybody's names. I had a division officer, lieutenant commander 04, who had given it division-wide order that was in clear violation of the regulations. I was an E4 and informed my E6 work center supervisor of such. He shrugged and said well it's what the commander says we got to do. I said "no" and proceeded to walk all the way up to the air boss through my chief and my division officer following the chain of command. The air boss who was in 05, when I got to him explained the situation, lo and behold he was a stand-up guy he said you're right and I'll take care of it. Needless to say my division officer never said another word to me the entire the rest of the time I was stationed there. My evals weren't bad but they surely weren't outstanding the rest of the time I was there. I took heart because I knew I'd done the right thing. I saved my shipmates a lot of wasted time when they could have been performing their duties related to the mission and save the Navy a tremendous amount of money.
So I told this story to say that it was my experience when I was in the Navy that few people were willing to actually use the chain of command in the way in which it was designed to be used. If you didn't like what somebody was telling you to do or you felt like they were violating regulations, everybody, from E1 all the way up to the CO of a ship has the right to walk up the chain of the command until they're standing in the President's office. Quite frankly I think if that's what the captain had done, even if it took getting all the way to President Trump's office, he would have gotten a fair shake.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2020 8:15 PM

2020-04-09T20:15:34-04:00

SecDef stated today that there is a possibility that CAPT Crozer can be reinstated and President Trump has stated that he does not believe in punishing a person for having 'a bad day.'

What we don't know is the level of information on the virus and readiness impact, held by Senior leaders (above CAPT Crozer). What most of us do know is that too often, senior leaders take positions based on their career objectives and too many are risk averse (don't rock the boat). Given the limited information, we can only respond to the letter, which makes a compelling case that actions must be taken: to determine the impact of the virus on ship readiness and to care for those infected. As a result of the letter, the TR was docked and sailors were removed to quarantine as well as hospitalization. This indicates that the virus had been active for some time (since the shore leave in Vietnam) and the risk of greater infection remained because you can't 'social distance' 4,000 sailors on a carrier.

With the investigation complete and CAPT Crozier quarantined with the Wuhan virus, I expect that he will be offered a chance to reclaim his Command or retire. Even if he reclaims his position, the senior leaders, who stayed silent will determine his fate. The senior leaders, who played it safe, will never promote him (just as Colonel Teddy Roosevelt was never promoted or awarded the Congressional Medal after writing his letter). He will finish his career as a Captain with a story to tell.

Response by SFC Donald Thomas made Apr 10 at 2020 1:35 AM

2020-04-10T01:35:35-04:00

Hes a hero

Response by SFC Donald Thomas made Apr 10 at 2020 1:39 AM

2020-04-10T01:39:15-04:00

As for the coward who called him stupid.. what does a business knows about running the military .. unless you served in the military you shouldn't be the secretary of navy. You cant relate to the military and its military family

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Apr 10 at 2020 3:41 AM

2020-04-10T03:41:23-04:00

The Capt could have achieved the same directly through his COC; the media release was unwarranted, in my opinion. However, having said that, I feel that the Capt was aware of Command issues that would perhaps have left his ship with sailors and marines on board dying while waiting for help. His action, therefore, to use the open letter might have been his best leadership decision at the time. We need more details.

Response by LT Michael Scott made Apr 10 at 2020 12:27 PM

2020-04-10T12:27:37-04:00

Courage is the last thing that should be brought into this problem. It takes someone unafraid to turn to all resources for advice and management of the situation. I would have considered it an easy challenge. Having close quarters is no reason to not have discipline and be able to prevent the spread. I would have immediately formed a team to investigate the cause and isolate as well as protect every individual with proper homemade equip with what each sailor has. Even if it meant putting everyone overboard and anchoring the vessel. Simple masks with hand, rail, door and instrument/equipment cleaning would have begun post haste. The Medical Corp station has the means to test. The JAG has the ability to investigate and the crew has the ability to follow text book orders to ensure a stop of contamination. This could have made a perfect model to follow and within 4 weeks the entire crew could have been back to readiness.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Apr 11 at 2020 12:47 AM

2020-04-11T00:47:25-04:00

I am really surprised at how many say 'Yes' he did the right thing. NO he did not.

1) HE is in command of that warship and above all else IS the one responsible for its safety.. HE made the decision to enter a KNOWN port where infection was reported. HE made the decision to allow his crew shore leave in that port.

2) As we now know, there was ALREADY actions being setup to deal with the crew and infection.. Anyone in the Navy knows, you can't just pull off 5000 people from a carrier over night and replace them.. NOT possible. A Carrier requires a LOT of highly educated and trained personnel.

3) I have no problem with the letter being written.. However going OUTSIDE the chain of command was wrong..

4) Not to mention, putting out that letter in non-classified form was even worse. Any of us who have led or had command of forces, know that ANY data regarding crew disposition, status, numbers and capability of performing the necessary duties to keep that unit available, IS CLASSIFIED. Confidential at least, in warzones, secret or above.

5) This is the US Navy and a US Warship. It is not Lollipop land and the Fairy Godmothers shoe. The bleeding heart stuff stays back home. You deal with things as the come, you use the chain of command for things that need help. You don't write a letter then send it out in such a manner it gets leaked to the press by someone. PERIOD.

The Captain brought this upon himself. He may be a great Captain to the crew, one of the best ever. BUT HE is responsible for following regulations, rules, the UCMJ and ultimately the SAFETY of his ship and crew.. and the moment he allowed HIS ship to dock in a port with known infection present, was the moment his chain of bad decisions started.

Response by SPC Charles Dunnell made Apr 11 at 2020 7:22 AM

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I agree with the Capt. whole heartedly because as a former NCO in the Navy and Army, I risked my career twice for the safe of those serving with or under me. Right is Right and I don’t believe anyone who willingly volunteer to serve their country should be undermined subjects of unjust politics.

Response by SGT Felicia King made Apr 11 at 2020 11:16 AM

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I don’t know the whole story. Perhaps he attempted to go through the proper channels. But for whatever reason, he saw his men in danger and he took action. I overheard one soldier on the news, they bleeped him out, but upon hearing about the CDRs firing his reaction was “WTF?!” Lol at least I assume that reaction was in retaliation of the firing.

Response by SPC James Jackson made Apr 11 at 2020 1:10 PM

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What I saw in your supplied video was disturbing. On one hand you have a man "claiming" to have done all of this for his sailors because of the impending disaster of infection yet walked off the ship like a rockstar. By allowing all of the crew to rush together in that fashion, he himself just became personally responsible for more infections than what might have occurred. He could have left quietly, got it all sorted (the president has said he was looking into whether or not his firing was right) and dealt with the consequences however they came. Instead it looked like a bunch of tween girls rushing the fence at a Cavetown or Bieber concert with all of the flashing paparazzi in accompany. The only thing I didn't see is him stopping for autographs. If his intent with going to the media (which it seems like during this administration is the go to option cause it only seems to either get you a contributor spot or a book deal unlike the last administration when those in command got fired left and right and not a whisper in the media) was to bring to light conditions onboard then why the circus. Why didn't he stop in his tracks and tell all of those service members to disperse and return to duty? I've read a lot of comments from people saying I served with so and so back when, well people change because circumstances change us. That person you served with last year, month or 10 years ago isn't always the same person. All I saw in the video provided was a man, filled with hubris, strutting off of one of the most important pieces of our naval forces as crewmembers crowed together to transmit this virus between themselves at an even faster rate. A good leader in my humble opinion would have stopped and told everyone back to work this isn't a Princess Cruise, it's a United States Navy warship.

Response by SPC Daniel Alexander made Apr 11 at 2020 6:31 PM

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I think he did the right thing to try to save the lives of his sailors. I strongly believe had it not been publicized it would have been ignored. There would have been a great number of deaths before the Navy took any action. He would have been at fault either way because the military will always blame the one in charge. It is better that he sacrificed his job for thier lives and he is a brave man for doing so. All of my siblings are Navy and personally I worry that the Navy doesn't ever take care of their sailors. The military in general is awful at caring for the welfare of thier people and we who serve are still people with real lives and families. We lose many in training accidents because of poor leadership so I applaud this man for doing the right thing. His integrity might have cost him his job but he will never be any less than a hero. The Navy can't take away how people feel about him and most of us feel he is one of the best.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2020 5:18 PM

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Prior to the incident, the Pentagon had already restricted the release of DOD coronavirus numbers due to the Strategic impact of potential low readiness numbers. This frontline naval commander then decided to write a letter then mass email it on a unclassified system. I find it extremely disappointing that this naval officer was unable see the strategic effect of his tactical decision. This very public stand down of 1 of our nation 11 CVNs is now having a strategic effect in the western Pacific. The Chinese Navy is now sailing there Carrier Strike group past Japan towards Taiwan. I do not think it is to much to expect the commander of a CVN to utilize the provided classified communications systems when communicating about the readiness of a national Strategic asset. Hate to say it but former secretary of the Navy Modly‘s comments where spot on!

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Apr 12 at 2020 5:43 PM

2020-04-12T17:43:26-04:00

"The best shiphandlers are always standing on the pier!" There are too many unknowns to form a decisive opinion.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Apr 12 at 2020 9:07 PM

2020-04-12T21:07:47-04:00

It's not entirely certain if he is even the one that leaked the letter, but regardless that is what good leadership does. Look out for his own.

Our CiC sure as hell wasn't going to look out for them.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2020 10:53 PM

2020-04-12T22:53:15-04:00

I think he did the right thing especially for the men and women who are under him. His actions were fair and justified. From the time he reported his incident to his superiors and to the present day his crew have taken a beating. It’s not just his Carrier that’s involved. The Reagan, the Nimitz are just the few. I’m glad I’m not a politician because what this Country’s leadership by example has shown us that we are doomed if no take charge of the POTUS daily charade in his briefing.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Apr 13 at 2020 5:05 PM

2020-04-13T17:05:58-04:00

His intentions were good, but why did he not go thru his Chain Of Command.. so he was wrong in that aspect, but morally he was trying to get the quickest attention to protecting his men.

Response by SSG James Funaro made Apr 13 at 2020 5:15 PM

2020-04-13T17:15:30-04:00

The Navy seems to be experiencing a slew of problems, from collisions at sea, planes going down, sailors captured and the list goes on. It's so bad, they fired the 7th Fleet Commander, but the problems continue. And now we have Capt. Crozier and the USS Roosevelt. I'm not a Navy man, but it's hard to ignore all of the incidents and problems and not think there is an underlying problem. Oh, and I absolutely believe Capt. Crozier was wrong. One of the most powerful weapons in our inventory should not be airing dirty laundry and giving up it's OPSEC.

Response by George Carey made Apr 13 at 2020 7:03 PM

2020-04-13T19:03:14-04:00

He was trying to protect his men. I admire that. He knew the risks involved and still felt he had to protect and save his men. At first he followed protocol, but in the end he did what he had to to save lives....Good For Him!!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2020 11:44 AM

2020-04-18T11:44:18-04:00

In my experience, although integrity is a core concept or ideal in the branches of the military, integrity can sometimes cost you more than it will gain you. We don’t have access to what was discussed before the letter was sent out. Do we know that this was his first communication expressing the concern and severity of the case with his crew? I highly doubt it. Coming from a different perspective, this virus posed a threat to the bottom line. Sometimes the bottom line gets priority for personal or political reason/gain. What goes on at the ground level is often not what is broadcast at the 30,000 ft level. We have a history of “doing something” that really has no effect on anything because it gives the impression that we are actually doing something. It’s all about perception. It’s when the rug is pulled back and the fact the we really weren’t doing anything that amounts to anything is exposed, those in higher places can get a little embarrassed. I tell my guys all of the time, it is an honorable thing to have integrity and do the right thing, just make sure that you are prepared to accept the fall out and ready to find another occupation. That Cpt knew exactly what he was doing and knew the fallout that would come.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Apr 25 at 2020 10:59 PM

2020-04-25T22:59:10-04:00

We have now seen (or August heard about) The navies most senior Admiral Reporting that maybe the Navy overreacted by relieving this captain. I think it was right and I look forward to hearing more about the story as it comes out over the next couple weeks.

Response by PO2 “Doc”TJ Garrett made Apr 26 at 2020 12:15 PM

2020-04-26T12:15:10-04:00

I think the Skipper should had received a Captain’s Mast with a written Reprimand placed in his Naval Record. And, perhaps a One Star Demotion?

But if anything else, I think he should be reinstated back onboard the Roosevelt, as the Skipper.

I believe he has learned a lesson from his actions, regardless if he felt & thought at the time. what he had done was the right thing to do.

Like any military subordinate, it is instilled in each and everyone of them to “GO THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND!”

Of course, maybe all of the facts had never been released to the Public? The Skipper may had spoken or correspondent with his “high-up”, who may had denied any action or was procrastinating to do something?

And when one starts to “Leap-Frog” over a superior, ones actions may result in stiffer consequences; even jeopardize ones career!

It’s just so unfortunate under the circumstances! But I truly believe the Skipper did not expect the severe outcome!

How many more deaths would it had taken, before the hierarchy of the Navy and Pentagon would had taken the appropriate action to save the lives of any additional Sailors and Officers aboard any Naval Vessel, before it’s too late?

One life is too many!

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Apr 26 at 2020 6:26 PM

2020-04-26T18:26:22-04:00

First of all the three questions in this thread are typical of ill formed surveys. There is way more nuance to the issue. But to opine one needs to vote...sooo..,

The concern, intent and need for help were legitimate. His method was of an officer who demonstrated severe disregard for a whole number national security issues. The letter should have been classified top secret NOFORN at the least. He could have CASREP’d the ship for personnel. He revealed his opinion of his ship’s operational capabilities to the enemy. His ship, a carrier, is a unique piece of sovereign USA nuclear capable real estate, a sea going airbase. One of the problems, in my opinion, is that carrier COs get command in a very unique way as they seldom if ever serve on the deck plates of the surface force. Theirs is a very specialized and, dare I say, sheltered career path. The acting SECNAV was right on but also stupid in his stating a public opinion and deserved to be fired as well. The CO acted in an impetuous manner equivalent to the current Commander in Chief. Naval Officers do serve at the pleasure of the President but should hold to a higher standard when necessary.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 3 at 2020 5:33 AM

2020-05-03T05:33:35-04:00

Happens when you are attempting to do the right thing. Look at Flynn and that idiot Joe Biden and Obama. Why does Michael Obama not run? Mike ladyboy. From Kenya

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made May 3 at 2020 7:00 PM

2020-05-03T19:00:11-04:00

The harder question if it was during war and ingaged in combat.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made May 5 at 2020 10:25 PM

2020-05-05T22:25:44-04:00

He is responsible for the overall health and welfare for those under his command. This isn't cherry picking regulations that offend the current Commander in Chief just because he's incapable of engaging in any form of compassion or decency toward those under his command. The CO didn't leak the letter per say but was leaked by those under his authority and as they say the Buck Stops Here and that the CO did the right thing vs the shitty cowardly behavior that we see others in kowtowing to a bad leader.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made May 7 at 2020 6:30 AM

2020-05-07T06:30:49-04:00

There was some very serious failure in the COC at the flag level probably on the ship. He appears he could not get past the 2 star on board and went a bit to far going around him. No where near enough facts in the public eye and there never will be.

Response by PO1 William Bargar made May 9 at 2020 1:31 PM

2020-05-09T13:31:11-04:00

I have someone VERY CLOSE to me (my Daughter) who is a CS1(SW/IW/AW) with Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9) on USS Theodore Roosevelt who is currently in quarantine in Guam. She tested positive for COVID-19. So, I'm effected first hand...... No hear say! I spent 20+ years in the U.S. Marine Corps & U.S. Navy, didn't really PLAY THE GAME WELL! I was a great technician & always followed the rules! But the NAVY I guess expects more....... Just like this CAPT, I can't believe his UPPER CHAIN OF COMMAND had no knowledge...... in my opinion that's 100% BS! It's just another way for the upper Enlisted & Officers to COVER-THEIR-AZZ (CYA)!! I would expect that behavior from an Seaman, Airman, or Fireman! Not from Senior Enlisted & Officers! I see the "I don't or Didn't know" mentality is still alive & well!! We used to call that the AIRMAN SALUTE!!!! SMDH!!!

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made May 10 at 2020 6:31 AM

2020-05-10T06:31:15-04:00

I remember every year getting my OpSec briefing. This was a prime example of an OpSec violation. However, this was also a prime example of an officer putting their career at risk for the good of their people.

Response by Sgt William Villanueva made May 10 at 2020 10:12 AM

2020-05-10T10:12:12-04:00

It is MISSION ACCOMPLISHEMENT and then troop welfare. The mission was and is operational security, and he sent traffic concerning the operation of that boat and the integrity of the crew. No it was bad judgment on his part. He resigned and has retirement. He got of lucky

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 9:31 PM

2020-05-10T21:31:14-04:00

He was absolutely in the wrong, he acted rashly and should have followed the proper procedures reporting his concerns through the Chain of Command.
And you’re DAMNED RIGHT he did the right thing.

This man exhibited the most bravery, the most selflessness, the most LEADERSHIP of any Officer in our GENERATION.

He KNEW that he would take the BIG hit and that he was ending his fucking CAREER. The thing is, he didn’t CARE about his career.

As proven by his unbelievably HARD CORE ACTION, he cared about ONE THING.

He cared about his PEOPLE.

Everything else can go to Hell.

This man should be a fucking Admiral at least, if not the motherfucking Secretary of the Navy.

God bless you Sir. From a grizzled old Army man to a grizzled old Navy man - I salute you you magnificent fucking sea dog.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 11 at 2020 12:08 AM

2020-05-11T00:08:26-04:00

Had he EXHAUSTED all other avenues and nothing was done and he knew it would cost him his command and career then yes write the letter.
I had an old crusty CPO tell me when I first got in the Navy if your RIGHT and you have your ducks lined up, stick to your guns no matter what. But do it with respect

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made May 12 at 2020 3:29 AM

2020-05-12T03:29:07-04:00

I want to thank the Captain for letting everyone know his ship was not combat ready. Signed, The Russians,

Response by PO2 Steveon Williams made May 12 at 2020 5:39 PM

2020-05-12T17:39:32-04:00

There are too many factors which, I am certain, have not been released to the public. They’ve stopped talking about it on the news, but I’m sure the entire crew hasn’t tested positive which, in itself, is a positive outcome. The question here is should he have allowed all hands to become infected or not? There is simply no social distancing on any Navy vessel.

Response by MSG Norman Carter made May 12 at 2020 10:57 PM

2020-05-12T22:57:16-04:00

Yes, he was out of line. There is a Chain of Command for a very good reason. I'm sure he would have taken issue (e.g. Captain's Mast) for a senior officer under his command circumventing his own Chain of Command by publishing an "open letter" on issues of readiness. Had he not gotten "adequate" support from his superiors in a timely manner, then he still has a recourse within his Chain of Command.

It is wholly unprofessional to publish military readiness grievances in the civilian media. The civilians don't understand the context. Civilians grab onto the "taking care of Sailors" bumper sticker and shake it like a dog with a bone. But there's a way to do things, and when he's charged with ENFORCING the Chain of Command, he damn well better provide the adherence he demands of his subordinates.

I suspect his career is effectively over. He is unlikely to gain another command, although I'm sure there are plenty of staff positions he can fill until he's "tired and ready to go home".

Response by SP6 Bruce Kellar made May 14 at 2020 5:29 PM

2020-05-14T17:29:01-04:00

The military has a chain of command, it should be followed until exhaustion. In fact any civilian job where that occurred I assure you they were fired. Follow the fucking rules!

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 15 at 2020 10:13 AM

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We no longer have the luxury of defining war as a time when we are exchanging fire with an identified enemy. Our enemies, those who are determined to modify the world order to our disadvantage, are constantly imposing "minor" attacks on us that are responded to by declarations of indignation because their acts are not considered grievous enough to accelerate to a full armed response. The only considerations that deny our current enemies more aggressive actions are what our response will be using the military or economic means we control. Consider the current controversy on whether the Chinese are responsible for the spread of the corona virus; there are serious talks of major revisions to our economic relationship with the Chinese.
The Roosevelt is a major military asset assigned to the Pacific theater where the Chinese have recently been taking actions that, while short of armed conflict, are obviously intended to advance their influence in the Pacific (interest in Subic Bay basing; artificial islands as bases, etc.). By going public with a declaration that the Roosevelt's capabilities were, or were about to be compromised, Crozier made public a degradation of our military response capability; in essence assuming a key strategic role reserved for the President and the Congress.
One of my primary considerations during my career was the welfare of my people. I am certain Crozier could have handled the situation differently within the COC, or, if he considered it necessary, skipped his COC by going to the national command authorities. But divulging the potential deadlining of a national asset ignored his primary responsibility of the protection of our national interest.

Response by CDR Michael Ranz made May 17 at 2020 11:52 AM

2020-05-17T11:52:24-04:00

The CO informed the entire world that our ability to project seapower was seriously degraded and put national security at risk. Did the ops boss recommend a classified Pinnacle or personnel casualty report. If not, then that person needs to be disciplined too. No aircraft carrier CO is a slouch but this was a poor decision.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made May 19 at 2020 8:27 AM

2020-05-19T08:27:33-04:00

No ifs, ands or buts about this. It is an unacceptable OPSEC violation. If he is only “fired” and allows to retire at Rank, he is extremely lucky. A Courtsmartial would be appropriate for this gross violation with a reduction in rank and Immediate discharge. I am a West Point Grad, Fighter Pilot, retired AF LTC and a lawyer, btw. The 3 answers below don’t cover his malfeasance.

Response by PFC Matt Ochmanski made May 20 at 2020 11:38 PM

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Yes, the Navy Capt was out of line for one and only one reason! He made his case as a lower enlisted personnel. Yes, he was right for speaking up! But as an officer he is held to a higher standard. I applaud him for speaking up for the personnel under his command.

Response by LCDR William Johnston made Jun 13 at 2020 11:08 PM

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Captain Crozier did go out of line. He did not have to keep his operational commander in the dark about what he was going to do. He could have talked with his Admiral in an off-book manner. Everybody knows this kind of "back channel" communication exists. He could have walked some 30 feet, I am told, down the passageway to the Admiral's cabin to discuss the situation. In addition, because of the strategic readiness nature of the situation, he should have communicated by classified electronic messaging up the Chain of Command using the existing crisis reporting system which is more than adequate to handle the situation. "Going Public" was a serious misjudgment on his part. Speaking from my personal viewpoint of a former ship's Captain, this is so basic, I can't understand why he felt compelled to do what he did. Or, maybe, it's because he acted on feelings rather than reason. I feel compassion for him and his caring for his crew, but if I were his superior, I would not have confidence in his ability to command.

Response by SFC Steven Hetletvedt made Jun 14 at 2020 11:19 AM

2020-06-14T11:19:08-04:00

He was putting the health and welfare of his sailors first.

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Jun 16 at 2020 8:32 AM

2020-06-16T08:32:10-04:00

I served in both the Army and the Navy. The one thing I learned in the Navy is that OPSEC is number one. Ships move around and go in and out of ports...we don't announce those ports or conditions of the ships as keep our enemies guessing. The fool hardy re-fueling of an American Destroyer in Yemen several years ago is a very good example. Remember who was in office back then and was trying to play nice with those middle east countries. That port visit was announced and gave terrorist time to load up a small boat with explosives, to ram into the ships side killing sailors aboard. The CO of that carrier has a background that needs to be looked at. He was raised in San Francisco where the press just happened to get his letter first. Once he reported to his command what was happening, what do you do with a ship of 5000 sailors who are possibly infected? The CO wanted to return to their homeport...the Navy thought differnt of it because of facilities to handle that many cases at once. That's why they sent them to Guam. Then the press gets an open letter...so all of those here who have been in leadership postions, when you gave an order and your men decided they were not going to follow it or set out to undermine it, remember, it's the same thing.

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 10:05 PM

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I think he was in a “Catch 22” situation. Had he had gone through his direct chain of command and things got worse ( which it did) he would have been blamed for not having the intestinal fortitude to speak louder about the situation... On the other hand, by him speaking up as a TRUE CO, it cost him because of the politicization of our current military force. I wholeheartedly believe that when history is written, he would be viewed very positively. Trust and Respect is not given; it is earned! He earned lots of trust and respect from the real leaders be it current or past.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jun 19 at 2020 1:32 AM

2020-06-19T01:32:44-04:00

What the commanding officer of the USS THEADPR ROOSEVELT did was right. The admiral over him is a putz for firing him for what didn't see what was happening to those in his command. That admiral must be fired for his mistake. Thank the powers that be that acting like an idiot beyond belief Secretary of the NAVY, did the cowardly thing and quit his job!

Response by Amn John Francis made Jun 19 at 2020 12:58 PM

2020-06-19T12:58:15-04:00

It may have taken "great courage", but it took even more stupidity ... I'm sure China got a few laughs out of the "wokeness", of our Navy ... let's hope that in a time of conflict, this Captain and all the "woke" officers are no longer in the Navy ...

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Jun 21 at 2020 9:30 PM

2020-06-21T21:30:01-04:00

I would have never broadcast a message that would have let the enemy determined that my troop strength was a lot less and possibly crippling the functioning of my ship. He might have score some political points, But think about the sailors that were healthy and how their lives were put in jeopardy by broadcasting this message and given the enemy to opportunity to challenge if that Carrier was ready to launch enough planes to stop any kind of aggression. I would not have done it.

Response by MAJ Lyle F. Padilla made Aug 27 at 2020 3:47 PM

2020-08-27T15:47:43-04:00

Umm... the phrase is "foolhardy gesture". It seems that it was either malapropped by a fool hearty jester or by his spellcheck.

Whether or not he realized it, CAPT Crozier was following in the footsteps of his ship's namesake: in 1898 after then-Colonel Theodore Roosevelt and his 1st US Volunteer Cavalry Regiment (the Rough Riders) had led the assault and secured San Juan Ridge outside Santiago, Cuba during the Spanish-American War, which effectively ended the war in the Cuban theater, they were bivouacked in a swampland while awaiting transportation back to the US. Mosquito infestation was rampant and an epidemic of Yellow Fever broke out in the ranks, killing more men than were killed in combat. Having requested evacuation of the Rough Riders from the swamp and expedition of their transport home up the chain of command and getting no adequate response, TR sent a letter to Secretary of War Russell Alger requesting the same, and leaking a copy to the press. Alger had no real choice but to evacuate the Rough Riders and get them home, but received a black eye in public due to the press coverage.

TR had been nominated for the Medal of Honor for his actions at San Juan Ridge, but of course it was Dead on Arrival when it reached Alger's desk. He had to know this when he sent the letter, but his men were still dying weeks after the ceasefire. It wouldn't be until 103 years after the fact and 82 years after his death that he would finally receive the Medal of Honor.

So an O-6 whose command is imperiled by a deadly disease jumps the chain of command while going public, sacrificing his personal advancement. Deja vu all over again. It would be an incredible coincidence if Crozier didn't know exactly what he was doing and was unaware of what his ship's namesake had done.

Who knows? Maybe someday Crozier will be POTUS.