Was the officer's conduct acceptable in the video showing his interaction with the Virginia police?

2021-04-12T09:45:27-04:00

Has anyone seen the story out of Virginia about 2LT Caron Nazario. I'm looking for some feedback on his actions and the police reactions. Is this acceptable conduct for an officer in the US Military Has anyone else had this kind of interaction?

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Apr 12 at 2021 9:55 AM

2021-04-12T09:55:20-04:00

Thanks for sharing, Happened Dec 2020, why so late coming to the news? Who released the story?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 12 at 2021 10:25 AM

2021-04-12T10:25:27-04:00

Was pulling over and cooperating fully with the police, being completely deferential in a desperate attempt not to be shot for being the wrong skin color acceptable conduct for an Officer? Yes. It's pretty much expected for enlisted as well...

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Apr 12 at 2021 10:32 AM

2021-04-12T10:32:14-04:00

Considering that the military officer was released at the scene and was not charged, coupled with the fact that the police officer was fired after the internal investigation, I can't fault the young Lieutenant. I probably would not have reacted the same way, but then again, I have never faced being pulled over and treated so suspiciously like that.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 12 at 2021 10:45 AM

2021-04-12T10:45:03-04:00

Not in my world. What was the offense? Was it a violent felony? Why did they have their guns out and pointed at him?

Response by LTC David Brown made Apr 12 at 2021 10:48 AM

2021-04-12T10:48:02-04:00

After a review the officer was fired. I think the Lt was appropriate in his actions. I think the police officer over reacted. I consider the police ff er completely out of control.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 12 at 2021 11:31 AM

2021-04-12T11:31:39-04:00

Having watched the full video, the Lt conducted himself as well as could be expected in a crazy situation like that. The initial officer is relatively new to the job and pulled him over for not having a tag. The temp tag is clearly visible in the rear window but considering this started on an unlit roadway it is possible he couldn't see it at first. The LT drove to a well lit area for both his safety and theirs and considering how this went down the well lit area allowed the video to be clear and showed everything that happened warts and all. A senior officer responded because the first cop escalated the call to high risk. The biggest issue is the contradictory commands being shouted by both cops. The LT froze in place because one cop is screaming keep your hands in view and out the window while the other is screaming to exit the vehicle. He can't do both at the same time and also reach down to unbuckle his seat belt. They were jacked up and as soon as he brought his hands down to his seatbelt somebody could have fired thinking he was reaching for something. The best thing he did was freeze in place.

The senior officer escalated this situation and kept threatening the LT.
I have always disliked Virginia Law Enforcement because there has always been a negative vibe towards Military. They go out of their way to harass and punish military members. This is an example of that.

An internal investigation was kicked off immediately because they knew this was a bad stop. The Senior cop on the scene was fired and this LT is probably looking at a wealthy settlement because nobody wants this to go to trial.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2021 12:56 PM

2021-04-12T12:56:09-04:00

As pointed out, someone with complete information on the scenario and administrative authority fired the police officer in question. The Department probably got very lucky and was able to avoid a potential bigger problem in the future. Case closed as to who was in the wrong or right. The officers were acting in accordance with the luxury of training and the use of deadly force. The 2LT was flying by the seat of his pants hoping the guy with a gun wouldn't twitch his trigger finger.

Let's stir the pot:

I think many here are failing to acknowledge the tiny town of Windsor only has a few cops. I am absolutely certain the selection and training process of a new military officer in any branch of the DOD is astronomically higher than the quality of selection and training for a town with only a few cops, for a job that only requires a high school diploma, and no felony or violent misdemeanor convictions.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2021 1:38 PM

2021-04-12T13:38:59-04:00

Yes his conduct was 100% acceptable. He did nothing wrong. In fact, police often encourage citizens to pull over into a well lit area if possible, even when being pulled over by the police. There are instances of people pretending to be police as well.

Even if they claim they didn't see the temporary tag in his rear window in the cruiser, they'd have seen it when they got out. So there was no need to go up to him weapons drawn. No need to pepper spray. He was 100% right to say "Can I unbuckle my seat belt" because had he not, they probably would have shot him. Then that cop saying "you're gonna ride the lightning." That cop was looking for a reason to do something.

Also getting release with no charges or a citation - and the one cop got fired. The cops were wrong. He did nothing more than be a black man in a brand new car.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2021 1:56 PM

2021-04-12T13:56:19-04:00

Edit - if this incident happened in Dec (as someone stated) then this didn't apply as it didn't exist yet in law. But good to know for the future if this were to happen again.

In Virginia: "A law enforcement officer must have a reasonable suspicion that a traffic infraction occurred or was committed by the driver or there is a violation of public law. The trigger for the stop is a reasonable suspicion that the person did something wrong. The officer turns on the lights and may use the siren to signal to the driver to pull over to the side of the road. The person should try to find a reasonable stop as soon as possible to avoid the appearance of eluding the officer."

The person should try to find a REASONABLE STOP. He was in no way eluding the officer. He, from what I have read, drove slowly with his hazards on until he got to the gas station and pulled in. That's what else I found: "A driver can let the officer know they are looking for a safe place to pull over by slowing down, and turning on their blinker or flashers. That signals to the officer that the driver is aware the officer signaled them to pull over and they are trying to find a safe spot to do so. Typically, turning on the emergency lights or the blinker signals to the officer that the driver got the message and is proceeding to find a safe spot to pull over."

I have heard that from multiple police precincts across the country as well. So why are they advising people to pull over somewhere they feel safe and then this happens?

Oh I found this too: https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03/01/new-law-bans-police-from-pulling-over-virginia-drivers-solely-for-certain-car-safety-violations/

21 March 2021 is the date on this article.

"New legislation taking effect Monday makes it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers.

Several minor infractions, while still illegal, can no longer be the primary reason police stop you while you’re driving."

"An expired inspection or registration sticker can only get you pulled; however, it has to be at least four months late. The legislation lists more changes here."

They can't even pull you over for an expired registration tab unless it's FOUR MONTHS overdue. They claim they stopped him because he had no plates - but he had a temp tag. Hmm.

SO what the cops did was illegal. Not him. He did NOTHING wrong.

New law bans police from pulling over Virginia drivers solely for certain car safety violations

New legislation taking effect Monday makes it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2021 2:45 PM

2021-04-12T14:45:27-04:00

The 2LT was absolutely right. Those two cops were ABSOLUTELY wrong.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 12 at 2021 7:52 PM

2021-04-12T19:52:21-04:00

Straight from the top...

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Apr 13 at 2021 8:28 AM

2021-04-13T08:28:24-04:00

Unless you are a Black Man and fully understand our fear of being stopped by Law enforcement, I really don’t feel that question is relevant. I seriously doubt they would have drawn their service weapons if the Lieutenant was white!
Just for the record I am the son of a Police Officer. My father was on the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department for 27 years. I use to pray that he would come home. I now have six grandchildren, three boys and three girls. I now pray that they don’t ever have to deal with law enforcement officers in any capacity.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Apr 13 at 2021 8:29 AM

2021-04-13T08:29:50-04:00

I have had multiple interactions with the police. Multiple. Never anything like this. Yes, it is possible the LT could have been more compliant. Yes, he DID drive a SHORT period extra to get to a well-lit area. Both are true. BUT....

The LT was overall compliant, his action to drive to a well-lit area is ROUTINE and even encouraged by most PDs. The LT never once escalated anything nor did he return the Officers' escalation. He remain calm throughout and the only "struggle" he provided was resisting being thrown to the ground - which I think is a pretty natural reaction.

It is a popular opinion that we should just comply with the police, no matter how badly they abuse us or violate our rights. I do not happen to agree with that opinion. I have absolutely nothing to hide in my home. When the cops come by, they do NOT have permission to enter. I have absolutely nothing to hide in my vehicle. When I get pulled over, they do NOT have permission to search. And they get nothing other than license, registration, and insurance. I am polite, but volunteer no information. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "Why don't you tell me, Officer?" "Show me your hands." "They are right here, Officer." "Do you have any weapons?" "I have no firearms, officer, if that is what you are asking." If they ask me to exit the vehicle, the first thing I am going to do is ask them why. If they tell me again, I am going to ask if I am being detained, and why I am being detained. And I will comply, but announce my actions. - "I am going to remove my seat belt now. I am opening the door now." And I will move slow as hell while doing so.

No law requires us to be complicit in our own abuse or in the violation of our own rights. Period.
You seem to be implying that if this LT had just went along with being racially profiled, abused, and having his rights completely trampled, he would have been fine.

No, I do not think - based on what little is shown - that he did anything wrong.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 13 at 2021 11:46 AM

2021-04-13T11:46:45-04:00

“We can’t see your tag”
“ it’s in my rear window”
“ can’t see it, it’s tinted”
“ OK, I will fix it”
EOM

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Apr 13 at 2021 12:14 PM

2021-04-13T12:14:20-04:00

First and foremost, the Police Officer acted completely irresponsibly, he entered false information in the Police report (that the LT was trying to evade), he had some very bogus reasons to conduct a felony style stop, and ultimately should have been fired.

That said, the LT did not help matters in this case. When you are pulled over, you should comply with the Police Officer's orders, regardless of the fact you believe you have done nothing wrong. You have no idea why the officer might have pulled you over. A vehicle like his may have been identified in another crime for example in which the Police might have been told the individual was armed and dangerous. His actions were perfect all the way up to the point where he continued to constantly question the officer's need to have him step out of the car. Ask yourselves this question, as military members, would you have done the same as the LT in this situation and not get out of the car as instructed? I wouldn't.

This makes me wonder as well, with all the pressure and spotlights being placed on our nation's Police. The standards they have to live by is incredibly high, in which many outstanding officers are stepping down because there is little recognition from many in their communities of the challenges they are faced with. Is this in essence forcing the Police to hire or even promote less qualified candidates? Is is affecting the leadership within the Police Departments by causing many to retire early as they don't want to be caught up in some misconstrued mistake? In the past, virtually every politician would rightly state; 1. Due process is essential, let the investigations pan out and do not overreact before we know the facts. 2. Becoming a Police Officer is a call to service and they should be given respect for that service. 3. Initially I am inclined to trust an officer, especially when all I know between an Officer and those which they arrest, is that the Officer entered into a service bound by an oath to protect and serve. As I learn more about the individuals who challenge the Police and the facts leading to what they did, my faith in that specific Officer may change but never the institution of the Police.

My rule of thumb, follow the instructions of the Police, don't make their job harder, if you think they are being irresponsible, record their actions, and ask witnesses to do the same (ask if they have their own camera on). Instead we are watching people who are clearly breaking the law, resisting arrest, and threatening Police Officers get the benefit of the doubt, expecting the Officer's actions to be 100% perfect. My fear is that fewer and fewer people will want to be Police Officers and the quality of our Police will suffer even more. This is why despite the poor actions of a very select few Officers should never lead us to disparage or disrespect the institution of the Police and the sacrifices they make everyday trying to protect us all.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 13 at 2021 5:29 PM

2021-04-13T17:29:59-04:00

I blame the policeman. He was aggressive from the get go with his pistol. He accelerated the ROE.

Response by PO2 William McKibbon made Apr 16 at 2021 8:33 AM

2021-04-16T08:33:50-04:00

NO! The man should have got out of his vehicle instead of arguing with the cop!
Why not comply right away? WHY? saying WHAT DID I DO WRONG is not listening to ORDERS is it??? He should be fired from all duties for not following directions. Is this the way he would act on the front lines. "what sir?, Do you really want me to set these cannons off now? Maybe we could wait and see if the enemy STOPS coming at us." WHY all the BS. Race bate bad news. Just keep on hating one another instead of pointing out Democrat mass failures!

Response by CPT Victor J. Lewis made Apr 17 at 2021 6:31 PM

2021-04-17T18:31:03-04:00

If I was his Base Commander I would have reigned "unholy fire" on that entire department for treating a military officer in that manner. The silence of the military is deafening which means to an extent they are condoning by not publicly defending and supporting him. After they approached that vehicle and his hands were outside that vehicle with a reasonable explanation as to why he continued to a well-lit location they should've stood the f@##% down. They were not looking for any vehicle fitting that description, they walked past the plate in the rear window, they could give a sh$%t about his uniform and his service, he expressed as a military officer he was afraid for his life and they confirmed that he wasn't incorrect to think that way, they sprayed him out of GP, put him on the ground with no evidence of resistance, or provocation. He was the most polite abused individual I've ever seen. He listened to every command, tried to deescalate, attempted to request a commanding officer, posed no threat of any kind, for every idiot that says just do what they tell you; if they tell you that you're going to die still comply? If it was me combined with my combat PTSD I'd be dead, and it'd be my fault...

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Apr 20 at 2021 8:42 AM

2021-04-20T08:42:10-04:00

This 2nd lt would lose his shit if a subordinate in uniform responded to him, like he responded to those cops.
That being said, the cops were unprofessional as the 2nd lt escalated his unprofessional, childish reaction to the police.
I hope the 2nd lt is disciplined appropriately for his misconduct.

Response by MAJ Mark Bolton made Apr 21 at 2021 2:58 PM

2021-04-21T14:58:37-04:00

Bottom line, you MUST listen to commands given by law enforcement!! I don’t think he did (at least from what I saw in the video posted on the news). As a military retiree, I personally wouldn’t “use that card” to expect any different treatment than any other law abiding citizen. When you don’t listen yo commands given by law enforcement, you create doubt and suspicion. My 2 cents!!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 3:15 PM

2021-04-21T15:15:40-04:00

You can agree with the firing of the Latino officer but the LT's actions for non-compliance, flagrant disrespect for the officer's commands and pushing his hands away when trying to open his door were uncalled for and I do not agree with the SMA of the Army chiming in on social media and going on CNN providing commentary on the issue. I am 30 years military, former MP and former federal agent and grew up in the hood where there were no white people. I have provided sworn statements on officer's misconduct but I tell LEOs; it is open season on cops and with body cams and phone cams, you have to be extra alert and on your Ps and Qs. It is not worth it losing your career or going to prison over a non-compliant subject. My cousin (who is half Puerto Rican and half Bahamian (and did not look white) was murdered and burned by people who were not cops or white in the South Bronx. I wish people would protest over the senseless murders of non-whites in our inner cities daily. And if we want cop encounters to go down; then do not break the law and you will live in peace in this country; no matter what your skin color.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 3:23 PM

2021-04-21T15:23:20-04:00

A good video response about the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7qtzLeWn4g

Cop Speaks Out About Army Lieutenant Nazario's Case

NEW STORE: https://teespring.com/new-officer401s-store2-------------------------------------------------------------------------------PATREON: https://www.pa...

Response by LCpl Joseph Gilroy made Apr 22 at 2021 10:46 AM

2021-04-22T10:46:42-04:00

I would have done the same thing and the officers who harassed and thretened him needed to be fired.

Response by LTC Douglas Kelsey made Apr 22 at 2021 12:41 PM

2021-04-22T12:41:28-04:00

One action the LT should have taken before putting on his uniform was to shave off his soul patch and goatee. Big time violation of AR 670-1. And no, that's not due to a shaving profile.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2021 12:47 PM

2021-04-22T12:47:58-04:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBMnJyOiT0

This is a bit long but is a very good breakdown of everything that happened.

Lieutenant STOPPED by Police EXPLAINED with DASHCAM VIDEO

Lieutenant STOPPED by Police EXPLAINED with DASHCAM VIDEOTraffic Stop with Lieutenant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf5KZSADDhgExample of Officer Safety h...

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made Apr 22 at 2021 1:58 PM

2021-04-22T13:58:40-04:00

His conduct was a disgrace to the uniform. He acted ignorant and used his uniform as an attempt to better his position because he knew he was in the wrong from the time he got told about the plate the 1st time he was caught doing 54 in a 35mph zone on a foggy morning.
When the police attempted to stop him he should have stopped. Because he didn't the officers assumed he was fleeing from them. This changes the entire dynamic of the stop from a simple license plate violation to a felony traffic stop. This is done because it is possible that a person fleeing the police has done something bad.
Once he finally pulled into the gas station and stopped. All he had to do at that point was obey the officers commands, had he done this it would be a non-event. The cops would have asked him why he didn't stop and he would have told them. They would have told him that was a bad idea and that was why he had guns pointed at him. They then would have given him a verbal or at worst a written warning about his tag. He would have gone on his way better educated to avoid those things in the future.
I honestly believe the whole thing was an attempt by him to get a big payday for himself. Also, he is a National Guard soldier working in VA but from GA. Maybe he's on orders to the National Guard Bureau. The video from the 1st traffic stop shows his arm patch clearly with ARNG Honor Guard which is the Army National Guard Honor Guard.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Apr 22 at 2021 7:22 PM

2021-04-22T19:22:18-04:00

No! Or For anyone else!

Response by PO2 Shawn McAvey made Apr 22 at 2021 8:53 PM

2021-04-22T20:53:55-04:00

2LT Nazario conducted himself flawlessly. He kept calm and did his best to talk with the officer even though he knew he was not getting thru to the police officer.

Response by CPT Richard Fematt made Apr 23 at 2021 3:55 AM

2021-04-23T03:55:41-04:00

I'm going to have to disagree the LT was totally out of line in his actions and behavior! As a prior Military Police Officer in the USMC i found the LT's conduct to be condescending and arrogant.. i suggest you watch Officer Tatum's video where he breaks it down as a former police officer! Tatum gives insight that would otherwise be ignored! I dont think that officer should have been fired and I hope he sues the department for wrongful termination! Lastly it was discovered that the LT had a gun hidden in his right leg, so this could have easily turned into a disaster! Traffic stops have become inherently dangerous for law enforcement so I can understand why the stop was escalated to a high risk traffic stop! I wish the LT well but if he takes that same attitude to work he will not earn the respect if his subordinates

Response by CPL Thomas Kendra made Apr 23 at 2021 11:58 AM

2021-04-23T11:58:59-04:00

Does it matter that when a police officer engages in any situation that they must remain in charge. That means once engaged and the situation requires someone to step out of the vehicle. That is what needs to happen before they moves on. I would assume that the police officer is creating a safe environment for themselves and taking away the opportunity for some one to assault them with a hidden weapon stashed inside the car. Remember there has been over 100 police officers killed in line of duty this year.

Response by PO3 Tamara LeMay made Apr 23 at 2021 1:31 PM

2021-04-23T13:31:56-04:00

I concur.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2021 5:04 PM

2021-04-23T17:04:03-04:00

From what I've seen it's simple the officers caused the problem. You don't make a traffic stop with your guns drawn from a simple hunch...(why did you keep driving into the gas/stop station) Every motorist is advised to stop at a good location so as not to stop or impeded the flow of traffic. As a son of a retired cop and was once briefly a cop I know that your hunch has got to be supported by a reasonable fact or suspicion; which there was nothing at the end of the video. As a cop you've got to know that the citizens have the right to question you. The cop has got to have the tact and professionalism to deal with citizens without escalating a simple traffic stop. The boot LT seems to be a douche as we use to call it but that doesn't give a cop the right to pepper spray him and treat him like crap while in uniform. If you don't know he is a United States Federal Commissioned Officer.

Response by PO1 Timothy Strunk made Apr 24 at 2021 8:55 PM

2021-04-24T20:55:59-04:00

The 2nd Lt was absolutely in the wrong and as I see many comments here basically saying this was all because of the officers skin color let's keep in mind that it was dark out and most likely the officers didn't even know what his skin color was.

The 2nd Lt should have fully corruperated with the officer from the get go and represented his uniform/service disgracefully.

You can bet if the officer was Caucasian no one would be defending him and he would have been facing charges back on post once his command found out about him being in corruperated with local police.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2021 9:25 PM

2021-04-24T21:25:36-04:00

My family & I evacuated the MS Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina & went to stay with my parents. When we got back, it was late & there was a curfew in effect (I didn't know about the curfew). We got pulled over about 2 miles from our house. The main road we lived off of was 2 lanes, no shoulders. When I saw the bubblegums, I turned on my hazards & drove to an old business parking lot about 1/4mi away. As soon as we pulled in, I turned on the dome lights so the cops could see inside the vehicle, turned off my car, took the keys & hooked the keyring on my left hand fingers & held it outside the window. Put my right hand up on the interior roof of the car, and waited. I didn't try to get out or do anything, & I didn't play the AD svc member card.

When the officer told me to put my right hand on the top of the steering wheel. . . I put my hand on the steering wheel. When they asked for my license & registration, I told them what I was going to do (put my keys on the dash, and reach for my wallet in my front left pocket; he did ask me to open the door, which I did). I told him my wife was going to open the glove box & get the registration.

In the end, I never had a gun drawn on me, never got tazed or pepper sprayed, and the over-worked & over-stressed cops let me continue on with nothing more than, "Hey, curfew's from 2100 - 0500, just so you've been made aware. Have a good evening."

Stressful situations take two to make them less-stressful.

Response by LTC Bob Hattler made Apr 25 at 2021 11:18 PM

2021-04-25T23:18:32-04:00

I was standing next to my disabled Rent a car, and a police car stopped to help me, Ltc in uniform. I had picked up a rag from the litter on the ground and checked the oil. There was none. I dropped the rag on the ground where I found it. The officer ordered me to pick it up. I did not like the insult, but he had the gun. Maybe the young man had served in VN and did not like Army officers. This young man abused his authority and is an example of a bad policeman. He probably would have enjoyed sticking it to a person of some rank. Sometimes you just have ignore a piss ant.
Ltc Bob Hattler
USA Ret.

Response by SGT Lori Adams made Apr 26 at 2021 1:56 AM

2021-04-26T01:56:04-04:00

As a retired police officer the LT was 100% correct in what he did. I have advised many people who have asked what to do if being pulled over at night on a dark road.

My advice was to slow down, put on your emergency lights, call 911 to have them tell the officer what you are doing or somehow signal to the officer that you at least acknowledge their presence. It seems the LT did some of that.

Added to the fact that the officer claimed to be conducting a felony stop. You don’t do felony stops with just one officer nor do you approach the vehicle - you order the suspect out and have them walk backwards to you.

I’m a proud veteran but have become less proud of my profession after the military. There needs to be a nation wide training standard that all dept adhere to. Everyone is trained the same.

Response by PO1 Timothy Strunk made Apr 26 at 2021 11:15 AM

2021-04-26T11:15:01-04:00

What's really a shame about all this is the 2 police officers were fired for doin g their job and this 2nd Lt probably had no charges brought against him from neither the local authorities nor the military because of PC and his dark color skin which if this was a white person would have had charges brought against them from both.

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made Apr 26 at 2021 11:36 AM

2021-04-26T11:36:58-04:00

Try Comply first then put in a formal complaint if a few minutes of your time is worth it or don't and risk your health and maybe some others. Look at the whole picture just not the part of it you sit in. I would also say we waste a lot of time on selfish pride maybe ask did we serve selflessly or to serve our selves and still serving our selves. I personally will say I feel better when people feel comfortable around me at all time even stressful times

Response by MSgt Mike DiSanto made Apr 27 at 2021 2:29 PM

2021-04-27T14:29:10-04:00

Why did the 2LT have a goatee? Isn't that out of uniform? That would be one reason to assume that he was not in the service.....

Response by Sgt David Scott made Apr 29 at 2021 4:52 PM

2021-04-29T16:52:32-04:00

The Law Officer could have handled it better, however a 2nd Lt should have acted completely different, scared, wow wouldn't he be a good one to go into battle with, scared, WAIT, he is only a 2nd Lt, we called them "Butter Fingers" as most of them had to be told how to walk and chew gum. Sad for the PD Officer, but he did over react, possibly more of a "pissing" contest you might say.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 29 at 2021 9:24 PM

2021-04-29T21:24:54-04:00

It has been weeks, anything happened?

Response by MAJ Ouida W Harding made May 2 at 2021 12:25 AM

2021-05-02T00:25:11-04:00

Was it acceptable? Yes. However, I believe those police people KNEW what they were doing.

Response by Capt Raymond Lewis made May 8 at 2021 1:59 PM

2021-05-08T13:59:28-04:00

I feel that the liberal media and public just look for ways to make law enforcement officers look bad. Our local TV stations routinely show what some officer did in some state far distant from us. When you consider that we are a nation of over 350 million people, you must realize that law enforcement officers are constantly involved with an altercation someplace at all times. Would you risk your life for less than $40,000 a year? The military may not pay as much to some, but you do have food, clothing, health and lodging provided. I have noticed that many times the video shown has been edited to only show what the officer "supposedly" did wrong. Many of the "victims" are hardened criminals out on bond for another crime they committed and are awaiting court date. I wish that these LEO bashers would start riding with these officers during high crime time and in dangerous areas. They may start having a different opinion as to who is doing the abuse. Just think what would happen if all law enforcement officers quit at the same time. Just call you local liberal news person to come to your aid. Just remember, don't roll the dice if you can't pay the price. I am sure I will be labeled a racist for my opinion, but I was an auxiliary police officer for 20 years and have seen what really happens.

Response by SN Trevor Sanchez made May 10 at 2021 1:00 AM

2021-05-10T01:00:19-04:00

In the video, you can clearly see the temporary tag mounted in the back window. It is customary for vehicle's that are being stopped to slow down, put on their hazard lights and proceed to the nearest lighted place. All police are taught this. The original officer erred by telling dispatch that this was a felony stop when the vehicle slowed but didn't stop and proceeded to the service station. The original officer needs to be retrained in how to stop a vehicle in any situation. The officer that did the pepper spraying in addition to him being fired, needs to be brought under federal charges of illegal assault on a member of the Military. This stop was over a tag the officer with all his bright lights says he couldn't see but easily shows up in the lights of the video.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made May 15 at 2021 6:36 AM

2021-05-15T06:36:39-04:00

after the altercation by the police with the officer, the command sargeant mansplained to the officer that the military officer is black so it's the black person's being black in and of itself that creates the situation and being black means being patient submissive and obedient or they have to know they'll be brutalized.

i was enraged, i know what it's like to be brutalized by philadelphia police in the 60s for being an activist. beaten by several police at once with clubs ... for having long hair and an earing. i used to get stopped just for having PoC in my car. i used to live in the Move neighborhood. i am 77 and it makes me feel 27 again and angry. I had a friend then, a vietnam Medal of Honor winner. A first nations Seneca, but I can't really explain how he took care of certain kinds of officers.

it's time the white in the USA has to be replaced by human all around. there are no white people. biologically, socially, culturally no one is "white": it's someting invented to deny humanity. Like in Dred Scott v Sandford. dehumanization. nobody has ever been white and that's why they are such cowards so full of fear.

Response by LT Tom Grugle made May 28 at 2021 10:44 AM

2021-05-28T10:44:01-04:00

The number of people here (and elsewhere) proclaiming that one should comply with all police orders, lawful or not, is alarming.

Response by PO2 Jeffery Reiser made May 28 at 2021 7:10 PM

2021-05-28T19:10:07-04:00

In my "Opinion"... This Junior Officer had a chip on his shoulder and was looking for a confrontation so he could demonstrate his "Superiority" and get his minute(s) of fame and notoriety on social media. He was using his position and rank in the military as an excuse to get out of a possible ticket which further escalated the whole situation unnecessarily but he was caught up in the current political environment and trying to make a name for himself. Many law enforcement officers have served in the military and are veterans themselves. If this officer had taken the time to recognize that, he could have de-escalated the whole situation. The officers explained this at the end of the traffic stop. They cut him a break but he was intent on suing anyway otherwise why would he have taken the time to meticulously place his camera in a position where it could capture everything. The average person does not do this. My "advice", Just comply and let them do their job and everyone goes home. Instead, he was looking to create a conflict and his conduct was just Deplorable! Instead of being reprimanded by his Command and others, he was applauded for his "Bravery and Conduct" further, he was commended by the CSM of the Army. If this is the way today's military conduct themselves then I would be ashamed to serve. This conduct was never tolerated by any branch of the service during my time in the military and our officer corps was always held to a higher standard than our enlisted personnel. Cancel culture, politics and fear have all entered into the arena and are running rampant throughout the service. This officer brings much shame to the uniform and those who wear it! It is not to be used as a bargaining chip at the poker table. I spent my time serving in both the Army National Guard and Active Duty Navy not to mention 26 years in the fire service 12 of which I was a Company Officer and Chief Officer. I have been stopped by law enforcement a few times and never used my position as a means to get out of a traffic stop. If I did something that warranted a traffic stop the I took my licks just as any other citizen and had my day in court. My advice to young troopers, sailors and airman... Comply with the lawful orders of a law enforcement officer. You don't have to like it or agree with it but the street is never the place to have your argument. You'll get your day in court be it civilian or military and in that setting you can argue your case. If you win, you will leave with not only the apology of the court but the officer as well. If not, play stupid games... win stupid prizes.

Response by SSgt Paulina Hicks made May 30 at 2021 7:17 AM

2021-05-30T07:17:14-04:00

I just watch the video and it was heartbreaking and infuriating. I have a great deal of respect for police officers and all individuals within the field. But this police officer behaved like a bloody lunatic. The LT's fears are legitimate; my brother was a police officer so, through him I know they have to give you a reason why they pull you over. And in this case, the officer did not. The LT was calm and polite. I think (in my opinion) if the officer would have been calmer and gave him the reason without screaming like a maniac, the LT most likely would have gotten out. It was difficult to watch one of our brothers being treated in a grotesque manner. And I don't care what color of the rainbow your skin is, no human being should be treated the way. I pray for both parties, for the cops to learn the lessons behind this incident, and be wiser about their choices. But mostly for my brother in arms. If that would have been me, I would have a few nightmares.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2021 4:08 AM

2021-05-31T04:08:04-04:00

From what I saw in the video the ones and the only ones in the wrong are the police all three of them and I am even talking about the Chief. There was no reason for the police to do any of what they did. And I do not blame the military guy for going to a lighted area and turning on his phone camera. They may have killed him if he would not have stopped where he did.
All of this because there was not plates on the vehicle. Yes the windows were tinted but the police could have been shinning the light where the temp lic. is supposed to be and they would have very likely at least seen the yellow of the temp lic. And they never once answered any of his questions. And when they saw the military uniform they should have been a little more decent in my opinion. And when they came up on him the 2nd officer should have checked the back for a temp. lic and that would have ended this or given them the question where is the temp tag.
The one cop that said he had been in the military sure didn't act like it.

Response by SSG David Brandgard made May 31 at 2021 9:52 AM

2021-05-31T09:52:41-04:00

I actually sent an email to his unit requesting he be brought up on charges, and be separated. Its been a while since it happened so I don't remember all my points and the articles that outlined each offense. But basically, conduct unbecoming was one of the biggest issues.
How can he be trusted to lead troops if he can't follow simple instructions as well as follow known rules and laws.

Response by Maj Pedro Gonzalez made Jun 1 at 2021 10:41 AM

2021-06-01T10:41:56-04:00

Compliance makes things much easier. We should know better.

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Jun 3 at 2021 3:47 AM

2021-06-03T03:47:54-04:00

Alas, but if you go back and do more research, he was pulled over just 2 weeks prior for the exact same thing by another Police Dept. for the exact same thing. I don't condone the actions of the Windsor Police Dept. Officer's at all and the one who maced the Lt. should have and was fired. But this Lt. was warned about the Tinted windows of the Van and having the Temporary License Plate in the window which could barely be seen was a bad choice. He should just put it in the normal License Plate Holder and no more issues would arose about the Temp Tag. But in fact it did just a few weeks later indeed in Windsor.

Response by TSgt Jerry Whitmer made Jun 3 at 2021 8:02 PM

2021-06-03T20:02:12-04:00

What you should be asking is 'is this acceptable conduct for any American" LT Nazario didn't give up his rights under the U.S. Constitution and bill of rights when he joined the military. guns pulled because the cop couldn't see the temporary plate Fucking Really?. I know what people are gonna say 'he didn't know if there were other people in the car with guns' my response to that is they didn't know if they were having a birthday party either but he didn't walk up with party plates and sporks

Response by CPT Eric Hodek made Jun 3 at 2021 11:04 PM

2021-06-03T23:04:03-04:00

Staff Sergeant - why is this even a question? What about this officer's conduct would even suggest that his conduct was somehow inappropriate. He handled himself professionally through all aspects of this interaction despite the unprofessional manner in which he was treated.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2021 11:44 PM

2021-06-03T23:44:55-04:00

From what was shown in the video, those cops were wrong on about every level, and one was way over the top (guessing he's the fired one)..

That said, since when do officers 'in uniform' wear partial beards? (wasn't religious, wasn't medical for razor bumps.. so what's going on in that command?)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2021 11:53 PM

2021-06-03T23:53:41-04:00

I watched that video when it was first made available. I was incensed. I was angry. I was disheartened. I would have been confused, too, if I were that young man. The commands of the VA Police officers involved were confusing and contradictory. Neither of them was in charge of the situation yet both of them acted like they were in charge. One officer would give a contradictory command to the other officer and the other officer would inappropriately escalate the situation because HIS commands weren't being obeyed. I would have been scared for my life had that been me.

I don't know what led up to that altercation (there are two sides to every story), but what I did see was unprofessional and the VA Officers involved were borderline hysterical (not in the funny, ha ha sense but the deriving from or affected by uncontrolled extreme emotion sense). Neither of them had control of the situation and each was overcompensating.

I wonder how many other drivers those two have done this to and have been found "justified" in their actions because there was no camera recording the incident.

In my humble opinion, 2LT Nazario did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, he did everything right. He pulled over into a lit area for everyone's safety, he tried to obey their orders, and when he was confused he expressed that confusion explicitly.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 4 at 2021 6:26 PM

2021-06-04T18:26:46-04:00

As a former police officer I believe the Officers created the problem and then mishandled it

Response by SFC Willie Morgan made Jun 5 at 2021 6:16 AM

2021-06-05T06:16:15-04:00

First, the police should have been happy that he pulled into a lighted area where they could see the driver's actions instead of some dark road where they could not see. Second, there were absolutely zero reasons for the police to draw their weapon. He did not speed up and try to get away; he just waited to pull over in a well-lit public space. Finally, while he has a right to be told why he was being pulled over, not following the instructions from the police only served to heighten tensions. It is better to follow their instructions and lodge a formal complaint later. Remember, dead people can't complain.

Response by MSgt James Wickman made Jun 19 at 2021 12:50 PM

2021-06-19T12:50:45-04:00

No it was not acceptable conduct by Lt Nazario.

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Jun 27 at 2021 11:04 PM

2021-06-27T23:04:28-04:00

IMO both sides were behaving unprofessionally. Each of us should choose to be the one that behaves like a professional adult...if we all did that there would be no reason for either side to resort to violence when simple traffic stops are made.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2021 9:47 AM

2021-06-28T09:47:44-04:00

No the 2ND LT. Should have been punished for his actions. If an enlisted soldier would have acted like that they would have been in alot of trouble.
The LT did not follow lawful orders. He resisted. As a retired MP and Civilian Police officer the LT. Should have pulled over right away and the followed the officers commands.

He Failed to follow a lawful command, and failed to yield. If he didn't feel safe and wanted to pull over in a lighted area like he claims. Then he should have followed any order by the police officers when he stopped.

The LT. Is a total disgrace!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2021 9:56 AM

2021-06-28T09:56:27-04:00

The police were in full Uniform and a fully marked patrol car. The LT. Had his temp tag Illegally displayed behind a tinted window. The police do not know him nor do they know why he failed to yield.

Then the LT. Failed to follow their commands and argue. So the police officers did not know what his intentions were along with him refusing to follow their verbal commands.

The LT. Was wrong! Conduct unbecoming an officer. He should have been punished!

Response by Sgt Rodney Fridley made Jul 4 at 2021 9:39 AM

2021-07-04T09:39:49-04:00

Do what they tell you to do on the side of the road. You can argue your case in court or file a complaint with police administration after you leave the scene.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Jul 4 at 2021 11:47 PM

2021-07-04T23:47:16-04:00

Response by SrA James Cannon made Jul 5 at 2021 12:37 AM

2021-07-05T00:37:28-04:00

I think the Hodge Twins are right, LT was wrong. https://rumble.com/vfm83f-army-officer-pepper-sprayed-by-police.html

Army Officer Pepper Sprayed By Police

Response by SFC Dennis O'Neal made Jul 5 at 2021 10:41 AM

2021-07-05T10:41:58-04:00

It don't mater what color/race. if the video is correct and not altered, Then these 'PIGS" need to be fired. What will happen they will just go to another town and get re-hired.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jul 5 at 2021 11:13 AM

2021-07-05T11:13:53-04:00

I usually give cops the benefit of the doubt, about 90% of the time. Not this time. On a dark unlit deserted road, I would not stop for anyone, cops included. There are people who pretend to be cops. They go as far as tricking out their cars to look like official police cars. They dress in identical police and/or state police uniforms. Police advise motorists if they are summoned to pull over, they should turn on their hazard lights to let the officers know they acknowledge them. Then slow down but continue onto a better lit area before pulling over. This officer did nothing wrong. As cops approached they SHOULD'VE told him why they stopped him. Most cops always tell you or at least ask if you know why they stopped you before telling you the reason. The sad thing here is the cops lied. They said the reason they stopped him was due to Improper Tags. Yet on the dashcam video, the tags on the officer's car are clearly visible & nothing improper about them. If the officer did not release the video, these 2 cops would still be on the job harassing other drivers who do nothing wrong. Are they racist or do they just hate military personal? Either way, I'm glad the officer released the video.

Response by SGM Hugh Blake made Jul 6 at 2021 9:04 AM

2021-07-06T09:04:42-04:00

He responded right, police officers had it wrong

Response by SFC Lisa Leverett Bailey made Jul 7 at 2021 8:48 AM

2021-07-07T08:48:09-04:00

My beliefs is that it was unjust stop and no foundation. Fairfax Police has bad history of stopping blacks for nothing. Please read Fairfax Law Enforcement history of stopping other race than you make the conclusion of if Lt was justified to be stop.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 7:34 PM

2021-07-07T19:34:06-04:00

When I was AD, I had mostly positive interactions with civilian law enforcement. What I did notice from the video is that the 2LT did not pull over for the police immediately, which was a factor in the negative reaction he received. 2LT Nazario claimed he felt "his life was in danger" so he pulled in to a gas station a few miles down the road. From an outsider's perspective, you're going to be in a much better position pulling over ASAP, not miles down the road. Respect goes both ways and many LE officers are prior military, so if you show them that respect and allow them to do their job, you'll see a better outcome.
I don't know 2LT Nazario's lived experience, so I can't judge him. I would have done it differently.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 7 at 2021 10:17 PM

2021-07-07T22:17:39-04:00

What, in your opinion SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member did the Soldier do that was wrong if anything? I saw him pulled over for something so very minor that I can not understand why he was pulled over, and further why the police officers drew their weapons or OC Sprayed the Soldier.
I am very much Pro-Police, however with that being said, too many Police Officers have the attitude that they do not need to explain what and why they do what they do. It is that attitude of refusal to De-escalate that causes so many of the problems. Handcuffing a commissioned officer for refusing to get out of a vehicle, with weapons drawn on him for a reason that the police did not explain? No Sir, that Soldier reacted way better than I would have.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2021 5:11 AM

2021-07-30T05:11:41-04:00

This commentator makes no sense, he's basically saying not to question authority when sometimes you have to. Why do you think there was the Nazi trials? Because they didn't question authority when there was unlawful orders given. I've been in a similar situation as the Lt in this video in Miami when I was approached by officer around 8pm in the evening just standing on Ocean Drive talking to my friend which happens to be white. The officers gave me no indication they were law enforcement, they did not turn on their lights when they pull in their marked vehicle up when they approached us, nor did they identify themselves as Police officers. If you ever been to South Beach Miami, the officers wear a polo shit without shiny badges so from a far you can't tell if they are Police officers. When they approached me they immediately accused me of throwing drugs which they were certain they say, however I was standing peacefully drinking a water. While they were making their accusations, one of the officers grabbed me and I immediately pushed him off as I didn't know that he was an officer of the law since both did not identify themselves. Once I pushed him off of me, they put me in handcuffs as I was apprehensive to the situation.

Everything happened in a matter of seconds, they asked for my ID then started asking me questions about who I was and what I was doing in Miami. I answer their questions even though they were treating me like I was a criminal. I was pissed off and told the officer to arrest as I was on order for the Air National Guard which they would of had to contact my XO to explain why they detained an Air Force NCO that was peacefully minding my business when they decided to roll up on my friend and I without properly addressing they were officers of the law before they proceeded to search us. It was a shameful moment as it was Veterans Day and my friend and I served together on Active Duty Air Force a few years back. I'm still traumatized from the situation, so I totally understand the Lt in the video when he states that he's serving his country and how is his country serving him, like a criminal.

Response by TSgt James Warfield made Jul 31 at 2021 9:12 PM

2021-07-31T21:12:54-04:00

I just watched to whole video of the what went down.
This is insane. I can't see how anyone can see this Lt was in the right. The interesting point is that that video I saw with was all police cams was narrated by Black announcer, He even thought the Lt was in the wrong.
Bottom line this Lt should not be in the military leading men, if you can't follow orders you shouldn't be able to give order.
I also noticed that right way someone put a video on about the truth about George Floyd, this had nothing to do about George Floyd for one, two, every one from top police to law makers on both side came out against the over use of force in this case. George Floyd did not deserve to die like he did, however to paint him as saint is so wrong and putting him up as poster child of the ills of law enforcement only makes people like me shake their head and tune you out. I will and did put my two cents in that the officer in the case should be brought up on charges, but each case needs to be judged by it's on merit. Oh and to be frank, if the officer had subdued MR. Floyd with hand cups and leave it at that, I had no problem with the force that was used up to but not including holding his knee on the Floyd for as long as he did.
Bottom line like the announcer in the Lt video pointed out to many our trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, or have martyr complex or hoping to make a big settlement..

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jul 31 at 2021 11:15 PM

2021-07-31T23:15:19-04:00

In the video I saw he specifically said he was scared and the policeman said you should be. That goes along way too conclude that the situation was damn unusual and he did nothing wrong. If anybody thinks his conduct was inappropriate like to know specifically what he should have done.

Response by SSG Fred Angelo made Aug 23 at 2021 1:09 PM

2021-08-23T13:09:39-04:00

Having read accounts in our local newspaper, he did nothing illegal but then he did not cooperate with the police when pulled over. This in turn made the cops suspicious and rightly so.

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Sep 15 at 2021 7:24 PM

2021-09-15T19:24:29-04:00

Absolutely - Conduct of the highest degree.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Sep 17 at 2021 2:14 PM

2021-09-17T14:14:18-04:00

My second career, even while in uniform, was as a sworn deputy sheriff.. And these situations piss me off like you cannot imagine.. ANY OFFICER that breaks their oath, that acts like this, that forgets what they represent and the oath they took, needs to be removed from every being a LEO again.. PERIOD..

Response by COL Jerry C. made Sep 18 at 2021 9:24 PM

2021-09-18T21:24:12-04:00

The police officers were rightfully disciplined or discharged but that is not the questio. The Military Officers behavior was inappropriate.. he ignored legal directions and sought to seek preferential difference based solely on his uniform.

Response by SSgt Ian Arnold made Sep 18 at 2021 11:03 PM

2021-09-18T23:03:38-04:00

Cop was a total scumbag. Had pulled him over a month earlier for speeding. So the Lt pulls into a well-lit area--because he's scared--and the scumbag comes up to him, gun out, telling him he's gonna get shot and gonna ride the white lightning. Then peppersprays him for no reason.

Sergeant comes up and gives some bullshit about "garbage the media's spewing" etc., and whining that people pull into well-lit areal "a lot" and they're "almost always minorities."

Well guess what Skippy, there's a reason for that and, frankly, I've seen in writing where police officers ask that you put on your hazard lights and slow down to show compliance.

The fact that the spray-happy punk was fired is plenty of evidence that he was in the wrong.

I'm white, an Air Force veteran, and a former deputy sheriff. Left the SO because of seeing crap like this and being told "we need to stick together."

Response by PFC Ray Gibb made Sep 19 at 2021 12:52 PM

2021-09-19T12:52:39-04:00

I have not seen anything on this story. Can you please provide links to the story?

I feel to answer honestly, I need the story.

Response by SSgt Thomas Korenek made Sep 19 at 2021 11:42 PM

2021-09-19T23:42:17-04:00

Pathetic example of an Officer and a Gentleman...

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Sep 21 at 2021 1:26 PM

2021-09-21T13:26:30-04:00

I would suggest several things at this point. 1. review all the recorded videos and sound. 2. Put your selves in the officer's shoes. 3. And Review ALL other information surrounding this case, Including the LT's action and body language. Before making any judgement. FYI this was not the first incident with the LT.

Response by A1C Michelle Pagan made Sep 21 at 2021 7:50 PM

2021-09-21T19:50:36-04:00

No, is there a link to the video?

Response by CW5 William Gasaway made Sep 26 at 2021 9:58 AM

2021-09-26T09:58:33-04:00

Where is the video??

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Jan 6 at 2022 11:19 AM

2022-01-06T11:19:40-05:00

Anytime a Service Member publishes a video without going through the Chain Command opens himself to Miss-Conduct Charges. In this case the Lt was just showing his ass when he was in wrong. the Police Officers were confused with his Actions as an Officer and the LT. tried to escalate the problem provoking the Police Officer over a speeding violation. I had a similar problem in 1986 in Rogers Texas where I was at a Stop Light and was pulled over after the light turned green and was pulled over 75ft of the intersection and was given a ticket in the amount of $250.00 and was told I could fight it, but the Judge was his Uncle. The driver controls the situation. This video just be a training video of not what to do.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Jan 6 at 2022 2:39 PM

2022-01-06T14:39:37-05:00

THE COP WAS A RACIST POS BIGOT PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. THE POLICE FORCES OR SHOULD I SAY BLUE ISIS HAS TOO MANY BAD COPS ON THE PAYROLL AND THEY CONTINUE TO PAY THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS BILLS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. THAT COP WAS OUT OF LINE AND HIS YAL'QAEDA SENSES WERE ON OVERDRIVE. LUCKILY THE LT WASN'T KILLED IN THE FAMOUS "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE" EXCUSE THAT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH MURDER ALONG WITH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. THERE IS A LOT OF PRIVILEGED FOLKS THAT HAVE NO CLUE HOW THIS FEELS BECAUSE THEIR PIGMENTATION OR LACK THEREOF PRECLUDES THEM FROM SUCH RACIAL BIAS. FOR SOME REASON PIG DEPOTS LOVE KEEPING THE BAD COPS AND FIRING THE RARE GOOD ONES. THE AG IS CURRENTLY SUING THIS RACIST COUNTY FOR THE OBVIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS WHICH WERE CLEARLY MOTIVATED BY THIS COPS BIGOTRY. ONLY FOLKS PRAISING THAT RACIST ARE HIS FELLOW RACISTS IN UNIFORM OR NOT. THE LT WAS A PROFESSIONAL HERE AND SOME OF YALL WILL NEVER EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS HAPPENING TO YOU.

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Jan 6 at 2022 3:10 PM

2022-01-06T15:10:23-05:00

Viewing through the lens of law enforcement, traffic stops can go sideways in a fraction of a second. Keeping that in mind, it's not uncommon for drivers being pulled over to "slow roll" or drive under the guise of "finding a space to pull over" to essentially play for time and try to hide drug/paraphernalia and/or weapons so that said items would be located in the vehicle vs. on their person. It also serves as a means to quickly plan to flee on foot or even ambush law enforcement.

I don't know off the top of my head if the 2LT slowed and acknowledged the police by turning his hazard lights on or anything like that, nor do I recall how long he drove until pulling over.

For me personally, if I'm stopped, in the process of pulling over, if it's nighttime or evening I will turn on the interior dome and map lights to illuminate the inside of the vehicle and I'll roll driver and passenger windows down.

In this instance, from the lens of the 2LT, with all the outrage of "cops vs. minorities" that all the cool kids seemed to be doing at the time, I believe that the 2LT recognized an opportunity to both get in the media and lay the foundation for a sizeable monetary settlement. From the video, he was incredibly argumentative and non-compliant. The excuse that he feared for his life from a traffic stop is more worn out than a middle-aged stripper outside Ft. Bragg and equally undesirable. The officers were close enough that when they told him to unbuckle his seatbelt and set out, he communicated his concern (which is understandable) and then the cops told him to do it slowly and not make any sudden movements. This is where 2LT began the E-1 Private babbling of bullshit that sent everyone's heartrate and blood pressure through the roof.

Usually when folks are super resistant to simple commands, there's a reason for it; like they have guns/drugs that they don't want to be discovered and complying will sure reveal said items. I mean if a cop is pointing a Taser at me an states something that includes "...ride the lightning.." I can reasonably conclude that he's speaking about me being tased if I don't comply. Hell, even junior enlisted can draw that conclusion.

Perhaps 2LT earned his Bachelors degree in Victimology at the University of Woke and Oppressed (this is satire so calm down) where one or more of his courses focused on how to bait law enforcement to exercise some level of Use of Force that you can later spin and manipulate to fit your self-serving narrative, it's like Narcissist Gaslighting of Law Enforcement 101.

In the end, I think the officer acted like a complete ass-clown and blew this simple traffic stop entirely out of proportion and he's the victim of his own actions. If he can't navigate a simple traffic stop, how in God's name is he going to lead soldiers and function in a real-life combat scenario?

Response by SPC Stiv ChenRobbins made Jan 9 at 2022 2:53 PM

2022-01-09T14:53:52-05:00

I am not seeing a link here, so I'll have to look at it later. From the replies here. Sounds like the police must have said something about his race? Otherwise why are people bringing that info it?