Posted on Mar 30, 2014
SGM Matthew Quick
15.6K
62
45
3
3
0
During a periodic social media spot check of your Soldiers, you notice a picture of one of your Soldiers drinking and they are not yet 21. &nbsp;What action(s) would you take?<br><br>As a caveat, what if the picture was sent to you by another peer?<br><br>What if you're held accountable for your Soldiers' actions?
Posted in these groups: Ethics logo EthicsSocial media logo Social Media
Avatar feed
Responses: 26
1SG Steven Stankovich
13
13
0
<p>I have always been a "handle at the lowest level" type of person.&nbsp; I would ensure the Soldier was counseled at the PSG level.&nbsp; I would then brief the CDR to ensure that he/she was not blind-sided by it.&nbsp; </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>And if I was held accountable for these actions I would absolutely fall on my saber.&nbsp; There are many of us who have violated the same offense back in the day as PVTs (minus the Social Media of course).&nbsp; I remember being counseled and handled "in-house."&nbsp; </p>
(13)
Comment
(0)
SPC Infantryman
SPC (Join to see)
10 y
I agree wholeheartedly with you MSG!!
(0)
Reply
(0)
CSM Allen Dahl
CSM Allen Dahl
10 y
Steve, right on target. When we do not, we surrender our authority as NCO's more and more. Indeed, always keep the Commander in the loop and insure you are consistent across all incidents. You and I both are fortunate most likely we were not young troops in a "facebook" age... :)
(3)
Reply
(0)
1SG Steven Stankovich
1SG Steven Stankovich
10 y
Roger that CSM...I, we, are very fortunate that we did the majority of our "dumb stuff" before the internet...  ;)
(3)
Reply
(0)
SPC Steven M.
SPC Steven M.
10 y
i just remembered something i completely forgot about from this post haha - when i was first assigned to my unit at ft bragg i was told i was deploying in 2 months - i think the third week i was at bragg my buddys and i went to myrtle beach and when we came back we had leftover beer and put it in the fridge in our living quarters ... not knowing you cant have anymore than a sixpack and i was still not 21 at this time my roomate left the door unlocked and i didnt know at that time there was a sgt on duty at all times who would walk the barracks at night but he came in my room aftr it being unlocked and saw the beer i had - happened to be my platoon sgt E-7 ... he was cool with me however but made me empty every bottle down the drain and i had to write a 2,000 word essay on the bad effects of drinking alcohol has on the body - this was my only "bad" offense in the army but completly forgot about that until now 
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
1SG Johnny Carter
8
8
0
I have come across this situation and as a 1SG I handled it this way. First I sat the Soldier down and talked with him about the picture. Informed him of all the actions that could happen if this was discovered by the CO or even worse the CSM. We talked about pride and actions as being a Soldier and what that means. He understood after our talk and took the pictures down and has be a voice with his peers to spread the word. No harm no foul and we all came out ahead of the game. He understands that if he did partake in this act again it would be recommendations of UCMJ. Not everything we find has to automatically become UCMJ. Sometimes a good ole talkin to with understanding and reason works way better that paperwork.
(8)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
CPT Public Affairs Officer
5
5
0

I see a lot of UCMJ action being recommended for this. I am going to be the dissenting opinion here.

 

I personally think that a counseling statement and a frank discussion would be the appropriate avenue. Yes, they violated the law. Yes, you can argue that it violates Article 92. However, there are many other factors which may be prevelant here.

 

For a first offense of this nature, I think it is more appropriate to guide the young Soldier into making the right decisions. Let them see what impact their actions can have. Let them learn a lesson, however do not do something that could stunt their career growth or place a permanent black mark on their record when it could be handled in a different manner. If we were talking about an illegal substance or more egregeous behavior, then the situation would dictate something more strict.

 

Things that would have to be looked at in conjunction with this:

-Where did the Soldier get the alcohol? Are they at a fellow Soldier's house? Is there something epidemic with underage drinking and contributing to this behavior?

-Was this time-out with his team/squad? Is there pressure to "be one of the guys?"

-Is this a common theme for the Soldier or unit?

 

 

If it seems to be reasonably isolated (we know that most underage drinking is not an isolated event), then it seems that it could be dealt with at a very low level. Some Soldiers have not been broken of the habits they may have developed as civilians and we know that most junior Soldiers are not as fully Soldierized as we would like to see coming about of IET. The issue comes if you see repeat offenses or issues that could be stemming from alcohol use/abuse. That is when I feel a Soldier needs to be pushed to a higher level of accountability.

 

Also, I think it is an abuse of resources to send a Soldier to ASAP for one drinking incident which does not indicate an actual issue with dependency or exceptionally poor decision making. An example: would an underage Soldier who had a couple of drinks, did not drive, did not perform any acts which would endanger themselves or others, did not perform any acts which violated any further laws, maintained a level of responsibility for their actions, and was fully ready for duty come Monday morning. Would this Soldier really be a good candidate for ASAP, even though they have a Facebook picture of them drinking from a bottle of beer? To me, that seems like an extreme reaction for someone who is otherwise being responsible. Now, if you have a picture of them hitting a 30-foot beer bong, doing shots, and then demonstrating other wreckless behavior, then they may need an assessment for dependency or otherwise damaging behavior.

(5)
Comment
(0)
PO3 Account Management Specialist
PO3 (Join to see)
>1 y
Amen to all of this. So many factors involved, including influences of peers. When I reported to my first duty station out of A school, and went on an underway from our home port in WA state to San Diego, I went to the bar on base. I was 19 and really just wanted to line dance at country night. I was an E-2 at the time, but my "friends" from the ship who were also there were E-4 and E-5s. They started buying drinks for me. I was too insecure at that point in my life to turn them down... They were my "friends"... They wouldn't possibly do anything to hurt me, right?

Lawd, I was dumb. And these more seasoned service members weren't exactly being a good influence.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close