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Does anyone out there have their plan or can share their insight.What advice can you give for planning a Mortar Gunnery?2016-11-29T14:56:38-05:002016-11-29T14:56:38-05:001LT William Clardy2118746<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's been a long time since I last sang "That's the life of a mortarman", <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="38789" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/38789-11a-infantry-officer-2nd-bct-101st-abn">CPT Private RallyPoint Member</a>, but the rule of thumb back then was that live fires were executed as either an ARTEP or a practice ARTEP. Generally, beyond putting in some time testing mortar gunnery skills (using the SQT standards in the 11C10 Soldier's Manual) and making sure that our tracks were operational (when I was in Cav and Mech Infantry units), we didn't do any other extensive prep.<br />Actually, there was one significant exception to that: when I was commanding a California National Guard mortar platoon, I force-fed the NCOs a lot of FDC training, because nobody in the platoon knew how to plot fire missions (they had "borrowed" FDC personnel from sister battalions for at least a couple of years prior to my arrival). So my bull-headed insistence that they would, by God, pass their ARTEP using only organic personnel meant that I had to train them for that aspect (I also served as the safety computer during the live fire).Response by 1LT William Clardy made Nov 29 at 2016 3:44 PM2016-11-29T15:44:00-05:002016-11-29T15:44:00-05:00LTC Stephen C.2118757<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wish I could help you <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="38789" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/38789-11a-infantry-officer-2nd-bct-101st-abn">CPT Private RallyPoint Member</a>, but my indirect fire infantryman days ended on 16JUN73 as an 11C4S! Just wanted to say hello and wish you good luck in your quest!Response by LTC Stephen C. made Nov 29 at 2016 3:47 PM2016-11-29T15:47:21-05:002016-11-29T15:47:21-05:00SFC George Smith2118861<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>thats one for the Heavy weapons school ... check with Benning and If you are at Bragg or going to Bragg...Check with The 18B folks at SF Schools... for some good Pointers and Hand outs ...Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 29 at 2016 4:21 PM2016-11-29T16:21:24-05:002016-11-29T16:21:24-05:00SFC J Fullerton2118910<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not sure of the changes in FM's, but FM-23-91 Mortar Gunnery covered the execution of live fires and the gunners exam. Also, FM 7-90 Tactical Employment of Mortars is good reference for planning an FTX, but not much in gunnery itself.Response by SFC J Fullerton made Nov 29 at 2016 4:39 PM2016-11-29T16:39:36-05:002016-11-29T16:39:36-05:00CW5 Jack Cardwell2119149<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Insure your weapons card (2408-4) for each tube is up to date and tube borescope and pullover has been preformed. This is done by Field Maintenance IAW TM 9-1000-202-35 Evaluation of Cannon Tubes and local policys. Tube is not to be fired if 2408-4 is not up to date. Have seen many sad faces when thwy were not allowed to fire because of this.Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 29 at 2016 5:57 PM2016-11-29T17:57:08-05:002016-11-29T17:57:08-05:00MSG Private RallyPoint Member2119294<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not be on the receiving end?Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2016 7:02 PM2016-11-29T19:02:05-05:002016-11-29T19:02:05-05:00SPC Erich Guenther2119414<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I just did a Google. Does this help? Section 17-3 for carrier mounted setup (FM 23-90, Chapter 7).<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-90/ch7.htm">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-90/ch7.htm</a><br /><br />Evaluation Criteria (FM 23-90, Chapter 9):<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-90/ch9.htm">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/23-90/ch9.htm</a><br /><br />Mortar Fire and how to accurately fire (FM 3-22-91, Entire manual):<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-91/">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-91/</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default">
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Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Nov 29 at 2016 7:59 PM2016-11-29T19:59:59-05:002016-11-29T19:59:59-05:00MAJ Eric G Troup2119547<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When a similar problem arose at Ft Bragg (many years ago in the days of manual gunnery and "charts and darts" the artillery FDC 13Es were very helpful.Response by MAJ Eric G Troup made Nov 29 at 2016 8:44 PM2016-11-29T20:44:25-05:002016-11-29T20:44:25-05:00SPC Kelly Grindstaff2120568<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My last time firing a mortar was on the 4 Deuce and the only thing I would be able to add is get the entire platoon up to speed on all their basic skills, especially the 2 gunner they have to really be up to speed in getting your unit laid in. Second let them acclimate them selves on the old school way of FDC and being able to hit and estimate ranges on visible targets. First time I did an FTC on this I was the 2 Gunner and I was hitting visible targets metal on metal. Hell to make it even weirder I was the Driver of the M1107 I think that is the old nomenclature of the mortar carrier. Since they are Vehicle Mounted that is a good place to start is doing it the way they would be doing it in Real Life with the current Equipment you have. Have them completing this without notes.Response by SPC Kelly Grindstaff made Nov 30 at 2016 9:03 AM2016-11-30T09:03:38-05:002016-11-30T09:03:38-05:00MSG Dan Castaneda2121288<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Hey Little Dittle, Far pole in the middle." remember that when your registering your motors and putting in your poles.Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Nov 30 at 2016 12:29 PM2016-11-30T12:29:10-05:002016-11-30T12:29:10-05:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member2124354<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Make sure your tubes are laid and your bubbles are level.Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2016 1:54 PM2016-12-01T13:54:59-05:002016-12-01T13:54:59-05:00SFC Douglas Welch2137657<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go old school for gunnery, find a plt sgt frrom the 80's. That was fun and lots of competitionResponse by SFC Douglas Welch made Dec 6 at 2016 3:13 PM2016-12-06T15:13:28-05:002016-12-06T15:13:28-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member2139227<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Mortar gunnery is now know as Mortar certification. It falls under DivArty and you can find the DivArty pub on the 7th Id page for JBLM. Also some other helpful pubs are Mortar Platoon Collective task Pub TC 3-21.90 aug 2013<br />ARTEP 7-90-MTP mission training plan for the infantry Mortar plt. Section and squad. Apr. 2005<br />And Tactical employment of mortars ATTP 3-21.90 (FM 7-90)/ MCWP 3-15.2 Apr. 2011<br />There is no longer an updated gunnery/ Mortep manual sir. My best advice would be to link in with the senior Mortar PSG's and your brigade fecc specifically the target acquisitions officer for guidance on your brigade's standard for Mortar Certification.Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2016 1:34 AM2016-12-07T01:34:45-05:002016-12-07T01:34:45-05:00SSG Jeff Eaken2167970<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes..There is one publication. I wrote it while I was at the MCOE on Benning as a doctrine writer for 11c's. Reach out to the Gunnery Doctrine Branch at MCOE..ask for a Mr. Steve Krivitsky or Keegan Becker...they whole get you what you need. In the pub..all tables and gates are outlined for youResponse by SSG Jeff Eaken made Dec 17 at 2016 4:51 PM2016-12-17T16:51:56-05:002016-12-17T16:51:56-05:00CPL Asa Wheeler2209727<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The best you can do is have your squad work as a well oiled machine. Like clock work. You'll hit your mark every time.Response by CPL Asa Wheeler made Jan 2 at 2017 1:55 PM2017-01-02T13:55:26-05:002017-01-02T13:55:26-05:00SPC Ras K Sim2244501<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Concentrate. I was a top gunner for at least two year.Response by SPC Ras K Sim made Jan 13 at 2017 7:34 AM2017-01-13T07:34:06-05:002017-01-13T07:34:06-05:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member2264310<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Basics then fine tune. Soldiers learn with experienceResponse by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 6:54 PM2017-01-19T18:54:32-05:002017-01-19T18:54:32-05:00CPL Private RallyPoint Member2421361<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First if your looking at heavy mech inf. With the 120mm, you will be in a 1064, not a 113. Best advise foe you is get away from the books find a unit that's doing a live fire training exercise and request to tag along as an observer.Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 7:54 AM2017-03-15T07:54:42-04:002017-03-15T07:54:42-04:00SFC Kevin Bradley2443917<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hey LT. You have a lot of feedback here. I retired in 2007 after 20 years as 11C40. Ran 60mm and TN 81mm. Best advice I can offer is to use your experienced senior NCO's. <br />I will be curious to see how it all panned out for you when it's done.Response by SFC Kevin Bradley made Mar 23 at 2017 8:38 PM2017-03-23T20:38:49-04:002017-03-23T20:38:49-04:00CPL Bill Lara2499312<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Smooth is fast and fast is smoothResponse by CPL Bill Lara made Apr 17 at 2017 10:09 AM2017-04-17T10:09:25-04:002017-04-17T10:09:25-04:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member2556612<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Every Mortar gunnery I've done has been different. Everything depends on your unit and bases SOPs as far as what they are looking for. Get with the other PSGs across base they should be able to help you figure out the SOP for where you are. Also what SFC Fullerton said is spot on.Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 1:02 PM2017-05-09T13:02:09-04:002017-05-09T13:02:09-04:00SSG Jeff Eaken2561748<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Get a hold of the Department of Doctrine and Training at the Maneuver Center of Excellence on Benning. Bldg. 4. Ask for Mr. Curtis Archuletta, or Mr. Jergan Becker. There are new tables that I wrote 2 years ago, that haven't been published, but its already been vetted by 3ID and is supposed to be in final editing. Those two gentleman should be able to help you. Tell the SSG Eaken told you to contact them.Response by SSG Jeff Eaken made May 11 at 2017 1:18 PM2017-05-11T13:18:04-04:002017-05-11T13:18:04-04:00SGT Private RallyPoint Member3355632<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your FDC will give you all the numbers, Deflection and Elevation, dial them in, if off, your FO will give the corrections to the FDC.<br />A good FDC can get your round in a can, then give you 9 cents change back.Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2018 12:20 AM2018-02-15T00:20:45-05:002018-02-15T00:20:45-05:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member3386139<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If possible, have all of your soldiers take the Gunner's Primary Exam before heading up to the range. That will give your Plt Sgt time to focus on those that are having troubleResponse by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2018 7:13 AM2018-02-24T07:13:02-05:002018-02-24T07:13:02-05:00SGT Gregg Pimental3565571<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Those guys are 82d. Depending on unit, one of those guns could of been mine.Response by SGT Gregg Pimental made Apr 21 at 2018 10:52 PM2018-04-21T22:52:11-04:002018-04-21T22:52:11-04:002016-11-29T14:56:38-05:00