What advice would you give to enlisted soldiers interested in entering the officer ranks?

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Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 12:44 PM

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everything that sucks about being enlisted still sucks when you're an officer. More responsibility, less leeway for mistakes. But the pay is nice.

Response by CPL Earl Kochis made May 22 at 2020 12:59 PM

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Make sure you have learned to follow before you try to lead!!!

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made May 22 at 2020 1:08 PM

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SPC(P) Timeo Williams do it for the right reasons not because of money. It’s an honor to lead soldiers be prepared to make your self worthy of that.

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Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 1:43 PM

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Be prepared to fight for what you want and what you believe in. The transition is not a smooth process but it is extremely rewarding. I’m learning more and more everyday that becoming an officer brings forth a lot more responsibility than what I understood when I was a SPC. However, if you are passionate about being a leader and steering this nations Army in the right direction, it is more than worth it.

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made May 22 at 2020 1:54 PM

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Please don't do it for more pay... you get what you pay for. Don't assume officers always "get away" with more... no matter how long the rope, it will still hang you. O-1 isn't much of a promotion; in fact-it may feel you've gone 'backwards" at times. You will lose some allies and gain new adversaries. Remember that even though you're prior enlisted... your senior NCOs still know more than you do and can still teach you. Don't shun your new peers just because they are not prior-enlisted; you'll need them. Don't forget where you came from... but do remember you are no longer there. Remember that you don't leave the job hanging on the peg when you go home. Remember that your reputation has a long reach. PLAN AHEAD financially... few make it to retirement. Live on less than your means, but develop personal habits and character befitting the responsibilities you aspire to. Read more, listen often, and speak carefully. Learn to think in the future, but act in the present. Never use the chain of command as an excuse, a crutch, or a weapon. Learn what "works" and what doesn't from others. Never let your people see you use your rank to avoid anything unpleasant... but don't make the mistake of failing to do your job by trying to do theirs. Fairness is about consistency more than empathy. Do not "buy" popularity by flouting regulations... but do not be afraid to challenge futility, waste, or injustice through the proper means and channels. Challenge yourself daily, uphold standards, innovate where appropriate. Be decisive.

Best wishes, and good luck!

Response by LCDR Robert Turner made May 22 at 2020 3:42 PM

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1. Study hard, you are not at the top of the pile yet
2. Courtesy given deserves courtesy in return
3. Remember where you came from
4. Mentor and grow at least 2 more like you, one to replace you and one to grow the community
5. It’s not all about money
6. All eyes are on you, many applaud when you succeed and you don’t need those who applaud when you fail
6. You are responsible AND accountable for your people
7. You get more responsibility along with that authority, never forget that
8. Your senior enlisted are there to help you, do not let pride rob you of that valuable tool
9. Your time is more valuable now, don’t waste it on trivial things
10. Honor is your new currency

Response by 1SG Mitchell Smith made May 22 at 2020 4:14 PM

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Stay humble, no matter the direction you take - as the COL stated there will be the good, the bad and the ugly in everyone.
Remember you were once a private and you will be a private again just with brass this time never forget were you came from. Respectfully.

Response by SFC Stephen King made May 22 at 2020 4:46 PM

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SPC(P) Timeo Williams perspective will serve you well.

Response by SSG Dale London made May 22 at 2020 9:18 PM

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The biggest piece of advice I have is to examine your motives. I mean, take a really deep dive into your own navel and ask yourself why you want it. The extra pay isn't worth it. The benefits of being saluted and called sir are short shrift. You need to come to grips with the knowledge that, as much as the enlisted ranks think you have it cushy, the truth is that it's your job as an officer to make sure they get fed, they get mail, they get sleep, they pass the SQT, CTT, APFT, ARTEP, and anything else going while you take the heat for every failure, no-go, and no-show. This all too often results in you not getting fed, having to wait days for your mail, you missing sleep, and you working harder than any four men in your unit just to stay even with your peers -- double that if you want to shine. With the rank comes the responsibility. Are you sure you're up to it? If you ARE sure, you're fooling yourself (because no 2LT EVER is).
Here's the truth of the matter -- as an officer it's not enough to just be a good soldier. You have to be able to think, plan, motivate, obey and command all at the same time. You have to be able to take inadequate orders and turn them into a successful mission in the full knowledge that it is at least as likely as not that you will receive zero recognition for a job well done. And you have to have skin so thick that you take the knocks and keep coming back for more. You can NEVER quit, you cannot allow yourself to accept personal failure because if you do, so will your soldiers. You must know instinctively that, even as a butter-barred shavetail, your actions will set the standard for the men you "lead," all the while knowing that it is actually your NCO's leading YOU until you find your feet -- and probably after that as well. But find your feet you must because there is nothing that can destroy a unit's ability to fight effectively more quickly that to be stuck with an officer they do not trust and respect.
If you want to be an officer in spite of the fact that it is a thankless job that more often than not chews up and spits people out, then you are probably crazy enough. Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.
So with that out of the way, two pieces of lesser advice:
If you do not already have a college degree, take full (and I mean FULL) advantage of the Army's educational benefits and get one. It will make the whole process a lot easier.
And, keep your record sqeaky clean - no screw ups of any kind (well, no biggies anyway).
Good luck.

Response by LTJG Richard Bruce made May 22 at 2020 10:00 PM

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I was an Seaman (E-3) when I entered the USCG Academy. I worked with the Jack-of-the-Dust and did numerous dirty little jobs ashore after boot camp. Here's my two cents worth.
1. Officers serve at the pleasure of the President. Which mean you can be let go for no logical reason. The few that walk on water will be promoted as expected, but all others get promoted or not promoted for reason you cannot plan for. So, do the best you can. Plan not to retire.
2. Being a NCO is not an officer lite. All the things you've done to date are not what officers do. When you go to knife and fork school, enter with an open mind. You are on a tract, not to be the best Master Sargent, but to be the best officer those more senior expect you to be.
3. Yes, you must make your boss happy. He/she writes your fitness report. The skills you must learn is how to do it without sacrificing your integrity and honor. For example, when I was docking the ship, I listened to "suggestions" from the CO, XO, and Ops. I was able to quickly and safely dock the ship and make all three believed they gave me the best advice.
4. Don't expect an exciting life with lots of perks. You will be the dufus that doesn't know what he's doing. The two hour training drill that everyone thinks is dumb will be your creation that took days of hard work. Any officer spends most of his day writing; reports, requisitions, messages, proposals, instructions, directives, etc. Biggest perk I had as a Junior officer aboard ship was a two man stateroom with a head shared by three other officers, and a door that locked. I was lucky to get four hours of continuous sleep.
5. Now the good news. As an officer, you are the one that gets things done. You will complete the mission, guide the future of those junior, and do the paperwork. One of my CO's had two favorite sayings; "I don't care how you do it, just don't screw it up", and "Don't tell me what your are going to do, tell be what you've done and I better like it." Like any career, it is what you make it. Your career will be unique, so be adventurous and have as much fun as your legally can.

Response by CPT Tim McCaghren made May 22 at 2020 10:41 PM

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I would give 2 pieces of advice that are really specific to you, given your MOS and the fact that FC is a really small community.

One, keep in mind that if you go from SPC to a 2LT in the same unit, there will be some difficulty initially in transitioning to a position of authority not only over people that are currently your peers, but also those who are currently your first line leaders (Squad Leaders, Section Sergeants, Det SGT/1SG depending on if you are in FMSD/FMSU/FMSC). This will take a period of adjustment not just for you, but for them as well. Maintain your authority and professionalism with them, and this will eventually pass. Just make sure to listen to your NCOs and peers (while still making your own decisions!), and be willing to ask questions.

Now for the 2nd bit. As a (now former) FMSU Commander, I am curious—do you wish to continue in the FC Branch? If so, like I said previously FC is a very small community; even more so for the officers. With the current force structure, unless if you are able to get into a FMSC, positions beyond the rank of MAJ are scarce. My advice is to remain open to the possibility of doing a CCC in a branch that has more numerous ways for you to serve later in your career, assuming that that is what you want.

One of my FMSD Commanders just finished Logistics CCC right before I cycled out of command, for instance. Instead of doing a full branch transfer and dropping FC, he was able to keep FC as a secondary AOC. This allows him to do FC or LG jobs, and broadens his operational knowledge as well.

Response by MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D. made May 23 at 2020 4:10 AM

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Never forget what it was like to be a private. Also, as a prior service enlisted person, you will have an important advantage over your academy and ROTC grad peers--at least until you make captain. By remembering your roots you will be able to leverage it.

Response by SFC Ricardo Ruiz made May 23 at 2020 6:11 AM

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Timeo. My suggestion is simple make sure that you understand the duties an responsibilities of an officer first. It will be very good to ask someone in your COC to let you see over their shoulder for couple of weeks.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made May 23 at 2020 2:19 PM

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Same advice I give to anyone thonking about joining the service. Ask yourself why you want to do that. How do you hope to benefit; what are you prepared to sacrifice? Do you truly understand the responsibility you are askibg for, and are you ready, willing, and able to undertake said responsibility?

Once you answer those questions, you will know if it is a good idea for you. If it is, go for it, and go HARD. Don't half-step. If it isn't, that's OK. There are numerous ways to serve your country, you just identified ONE that was not right for you. Drive on.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2020 10:57 PM

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Try searching this and similar questions. There are quite a few on here for more opinions.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made May 24 at 2020 3:35 AM

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Honestly, I tell people that going to OCS was the worst mistake I made in the Army, and that I might have chosen to stay in through retirement had I gone NCO instead.

For starters, evaluate your leadership style and determine if your modus operandi is more "NCO style" or "Officer style." I was an O2-P when I realized that the way I do things would have been better suited to me being an NCO rather than being an officer. If you don't know where you fall on this, ask any of the senior NCOs who know you and your work.

Don't forget the general roles of an officer vs. an NCO. I did not think through the fact that if I promoted to O3 and beyond, it would end up decreasing my contact and rapport with the enlisted soldiers I had grown to trust and enjoy. Whereas, if I had stayed enlisted, I would have had the opportunity to directly lead soldiers for an entire career.

Also, don't fall into the trap of thinking that if you have post-secondary education, that you are somehow obligated to become an officer. There are plenty of NCOs out there with undergraduate and graduate degrees.

If you truly think you can best serve the Army as an officer, by all means do it. The Army needs good O-grade leaders. Just go forward with a clear view of what it truly entails.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 24 at 2020 4:40 PM

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What if you were an Infantry PL and your commander says take that hill. You know it will be a tough fight and the objective is to kill the enemy, and your platoon will leave the terrain upon reaching the objective. What will you do?

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made May 24 at 2020 8:37 PM

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I'm biased, but I'd recommend WO.

Response by Robert Harris made May 24 at 2020 8:52 PM

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Never Forget where you started from to become the Officer that you shall be in the Future.
Most of the Officers that I experienced with the Fleet from Lt on down followed the spirit of Haughtiness, by looking down on people below their rank. At COMDESRON II, the Officers was your average Joe and didn't look down on others.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2020 8:46 AM

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5 things to consider or remember.

1. Everything that happens or fails to happen ultimately falls on your shoulders. It’s sometimes a heavy cross to bear when you come into a less than stellar unit.

2. Don’t be a dick! Be the bad guy when you have to, but build relationships with your leaders and joes. The more you move up the less you are around them.

3. Embrace the suck. There will be hard times, but if you persevere it makes the good times that much better.

4. Listen to your NCO’s. They’ve been there, done that, and got the shirt more times than you ever will.

5. Be your own man. Never be exactly like one person. Take the good leaders you’ve learned from and make your own leadership style.

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Jun 8 at 2020 8:59 AM

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You'll work three times as hard for half the gratitude. Pay is good but you'll earn it. You can make your people's working environment great but yours may still suck depending on your boss. Bottom line, it's very rewarding, but it's no picnic.

Response by PO1 Michael Allen made Jun 9 at 2020 5:49 PM

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Get all you can get. Don’t care what anyone else thinks. Going from enlisted to officer shows you have drive and in time everything evens out. Don’t ever worry what other people say. This can only help you when you retire and will be an excellent return on your hard work.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2020 7:12 PM

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Honestly. Same thing I tell most people no matter where they are going with their career or without. Essentially you have seen many degrees of leadership and leadership mentalities. Be a sponge and absorb negative and great characteristics. Learn from the negative leaders you have had and do the opposite. On the flip side emulate the great characteristics you have received. And if you make a mistake own it and move on. The Army in general is just a learning curve.

Response by SFC(P) Jonathan P. made Jun 14 at 2020 5:20 PM

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From experiences, I would say become the leadership you would like to see in your current position, embody that and train, teach, educate, and prepare your soldiers. The goal is simple but yet hard to accomplish is the ability to think on your feet know the right from wrong and known when to apply the means you have trained to the reality of your job, position, and leadership. You have an advantage. You are enlisted first and trying to make the transition, so you should be able to not only take that with you to the other side but be understanding, and that will also help you in becoming a better leader. Also, the money increase is always good, but what is it worth if you don't know how to have the sense with your money and expenses. Financial instability can affect your morals, emotions, financial position, and ultimately your life.

God speed, head on a swivel, and stay solid!

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Jun 15 at 2020 12:29 AM

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You've already received very sage advise. What many junior officers don't realize is the responsibility a "commission" has. We serve at the pleasure of the President (don't go there) and can command. In the Navy, a Line Officer eligible for command at sea (basically all Academy, NROTC and OCS) are senior to any staff (med. JAG. ETC) when aboard a craft or ship and responsible for its safe conduct. A solo O-1 Line officer on a small craft with an O-7 Medical Officer has all the responsibility and authority over the boat while aboard. Just an example.

My dad, a WWII B-17 gunner, Stalag 17POW, Korea B-29 gunner supported my application for military scholarships, and I went the NROTC route.

He passed on two pieces of advice which stood me in good stead for 25 yes and into civilian life.
1. Always take care of your men (people) no matter the issue. Never allow another to criticize your subordinates--you are responsible.

2. Never let your boss get surprised, especially if you or one of your people mess up. (A corollary is once given an order, do not, DO NOT, lay it off on a senior in presence of your personnel. Once the order is given, salute the flag and get on with it. )

Response by PO3 Jake Lucid made Jun 15 at 2020 12:01 PM

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I would have this to say. Go at it with the attitude of you are a well paid E5 with different collar decorations. Work it like you did before- with the inclination to speak your mind a bit less and with more caution.
One of THE best XO's on board ship was a mustang. Got things done on the officer front but still knew how to pull an E3 aside and hand him his ass when needed- like the chief petty he was before. I saw him as an exceptional officer. He wasn't a spoiled over educated handled with kit gloves academy grad with no real world experience. He may have been a Ltjg but had leadership skills learned from 10 years enlisted. Something you can't teach academy kids. They see one side of the coin and often, to the detriment of other academy O's, act like untouchable children.
I would say to follow the path of leadership you were already on as an enlisted. Treat your men/women as you would want an officer to treat you. Don't fall into the trap of other mustangs by creating adversaries of other officers. Guide them. I often see young officers afraid to ask for help or guidance in leadership as they are fearful of poor performance reports by senior officers. Guide those you can, work around those you can't.

Response by SGT(P) Vincent Kuhlman made Jun 15 at 2020 2:19 PM

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Full agree with Author. I seen a few NCO's that were
"Top notch" but Hated the Officer corp side. It seed to some there experience worked against them. Cause of the old adage Nobody trust a 2nd LT.

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Jun 15 at 2020 10:47 PM

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You are accountable; to your leadership, to your subordinates, to your peers, and to yourself. As you rise in rank and responsibility the light will shine brighter. Find and correct your own flaws else others surely will.

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 12:09 PM

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SF.

Response by AA Richard Tallini made Jun 17 at 2020 12:59 PM

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Had a conversation with a retired Navy CPO who is now a captain with a major airline. His SIC (co-pilot) is a retired Admiral. Military life is short, just do what you enjoy.

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Jun 17 at 2020 5:59 PM

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Wow! Where to start. I can speak with some authority on this subject having been both enlisted (Army infantry) and commissioned (Air Force Medical Officer, Nurse Corps). My advice: NEVER forget where you started your career. Remember that the enlisted are the backbone of your service and their job especially the NCOs are to accomplish the mission and make you look good. Don't make their jobs harder by not listening to their council. In fact, seek out their council (especially the Senior NCO) and if you find their advice reasonable follow it. NEVER ask a person of lower rank to do a job you haven't done in the past and would not do in the future. Whenever possible lead from the front. Take care of your people, remember where you stand in the scheme of things: Mission first, people second and you, YOU are third.
Appearances are important (beyond uniform and grooming standards). Your word, whenever possible is your bond. Mean what you say and say what you mean and follow thru. Maintain your military bearing, never, never,never complain in front of your subordinates and never allow your NCOs and SNCOs to do so. Concerns are to be voiced behind closed doors and up the chain.
Be results oriented when it comes to your subordinates; My requirement was: " I don't care how you get the job done, just don't break any rules, regulations or do anything immoral" As George Patton said (Paraphrasing) "give a person a job to do, but don't tell how to do it and they will supersize every time".
And to those who think being a commissioned Officers is the cat's behind, I will give you advice given me by a very wise Col (06) " When things go well there is nothing better than being an officer however, when things go bad there is nothing worse! The buck definitely stops with you!"

Response by SPC Ricky Poe made Jun 18 at 2020 2:28 AM

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Just be ready once the officers find out you were enlisted and the NCOs find out you were enlisted too. When they do both of them are not going to respect you like the other officers that came directly in to the service.

I have seen this over and over when the Army had the Green to Gold Program. So many Officers that came from the enlisted ranks were treaded like crap by the Officers and the enlisted because both sides thought that they should have stayed enlisted.

I think it is wrong to treat an Officer that better herself or himself that way. I think an enlisted member that chooses to become should be treated the same as any officer.

So my advice to any enlisted members if you choose to become an Officer never and mean never tell any one that you were an enlisted member.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Jun 18 at 2020 2:02 PM

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The first thing that you need to understand is the Commission does not guarentee you will make it to retirement. You can be RIFd, you may get a bad FITREP that affects your chances of moving from LCDR to CDR (big JO step), your timing of earning a Masters may not work out, may not get optimal assignment rotations (key to leaving the JOs), selection for C&GS School and the War College among others. The benefits of being an officer and the benefits of managerial or high civilian employment goes without saying. Rank does have its privileges. If you don't have a Bachelor, get it. Get all the quals you can get to demonstrate leadership ability. Stay mission oriented. However; you must keep in mind that not everyone gets the nod even though their prepped up. Consider making E-7 in the Army or Chief in the sea services and apply for a Warrant commission or if that fail work as diligently as you can and become a Command Master Chief E-9. My point is that the military offers a diligent and well put together leader several option of getting to the top of the Pyramid. These other positions are a key part of the leadership and policy continuum and are not consolation prizes. Getting a direct commission is tough, but going to OCS is up to you and what you bring to the table. Remember this: When you become an Ensign or 2nd LT never forget where you came from. When you get to your new unit, find a squared away Chief and listen to his counsel. He'll lead you right to the Golden Ring.

Response by CWO2 Jay Callihan made Jun 18 at 2020 9:54 PM

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First of all, look up the application process/requirements to see if you are qualified or what you must do to become qualified.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 8:53 AM

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Before you look into the commissioning route, ask to shadow an officer for a week or two. Actually do a deep dive and see what is entailed. It’s a completely different world being an officer. The types of officers can vary greatly as well as there are over a dozen branches with the officer Ranks.

When I was prior enlisted, we always joked that as enlisted, we “worked” for a living, as opposed to officers.

Let me assure you, officers work and they work damn hard. Expectations couldn’t be higher. They will be high among your subordinates and your superiors. Especially in the beginning. Sure you get some benefits as far as how you are treated, but there is VERY little room for error or corrective action, as some of your decisions can effective peoples lives and livelihoods.

That being said, I regret none of it.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 4:35 PM

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About 18 months ago there was a similar thread with this topic. The response chain really stuck with me and I saved it, and it went like this:

Young Solider:
I know, it seems obvious, go to the dark side, the pay and benefits are amazing and you don't have to deal with all the enlisted bullshit. But I know there's got to be your fair share of officer bullshit to deal with. Is it worth the swap? I've been getting advised to switch over for a while, and as of now my plan is to apply for green to gold following an upcoming deployment. I am a little worried I might miss the enlisted life though. Officers, what's it like? The day to day schedule? Time for family? Opportunities to personally lead soldiers? Control over your career? I never really talk to officers on the day to day so I want some inside info before I make a commitment here.

OFFICER1:
Officer work is harder in different ways. Here are some analogies. Enlisted hard is like breaking rocks with a hammer for 10 hours a day with instructions, tools, and meals provided, and when you're done, you're usually* done. Officer hard is like you're lost on an island with a live volcano that's about to erupt, and you're trying to build this raft to get away. You want to work 14 hours a day building the raft, scavenge for food, and build shelter? Your call. You want to spend 8 hours a day? Your call. How do you balance the time spend on scavenging for food, vs building shelter, vs building the raft, vs making spear against predators, cloth for warmth, or etc? Again, your call. How do you build the raft? What kind of weather should the raft withstand? How big is it? What kind of materials is it made of? All of those again are your call. At the end of the day you will have to escape this island before the volcano erupts. If you manage to escape this island, you'll land in another island with the same situation. It just keeps going and going.

OFFICER 2:
I really like this analogy.
But what about trying to fight off/cooperate with the other people on the island trying to build rafts? Do you try to make yours better than theirs, take their supplies, or pool your resources to make a bigger and better raft, or build the raft while he hunts for food for the both of you?

OFFICER 1:
That’s a good addition. Also don’t forget at the same time you’re responsible for a bunch of orangutans who like to fuck shit up from time to time.

OFFICER 2:
Those fucking orangutans. I'm tired of their shit

YOUNG SOLDIER:
I feel like half the battle is just knowing what needs to get done.

OFFICER 1:
Awesome, U Going to build a raft?

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jun 21 at 2020 5:16 AM

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Rank has its RESPONSIBILITIES.

Response by SGT John C. made Jun 21 at 2020 9:45 AM

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If I had stayed in the Reserves and continued serving with the unit I was in, I would have been E-6 by the end of 1984. Then in 1985 they were going to send me to OCS, because I was a respected leader. Being a Sgt. was good for me, but I was destined for more. The big thing in 1984, was that my In-Laws were moving, and Southern California was slowly eating me alive. So we moved to North Mississippi and thus ended my time in the Military. I was in a little over 11 years both Active Duty and Active Reserve. I left as a Sergeant E-5 and wish it could have continued. In 1984 the nearest Active Reserve Unit was in another state. MS only has National Guard. There was an Aviation Unit in Tupelo but they were scheduled to move. So I agree, that prior service is very important so that an Officer understands the enlisted ranks. I don't have the personal experience, but have known several prior service officers and respected every one of them because they respected me.

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Jun 22 at 2020 1:44 PM

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Wide range of guidance on this post. My first advice is to research every aspect of the officer position you seek. Ask questions from 2nd LTs/ CW01s, etc... (I'm assuming Army). Ask them to tell you the nasty stuff, not the roses. Don't ask enlisted people, you'll get anti-officer garbage that is useless to you. Don't make the move unless making the Army is a strong career option. Money can not be a factor here. When you decide to send in your application, do it with the same conviction you'd have getting your people ready for battle. Attention to detail is as paramount on an application as it is when leading troops properly. Last advice is: Be fearless. There are clowns and boobs at every level of the chain of command and just by caring, you've eliminated 50% of the competition. I was a Chief/Senior Chief for 8 years and an officer for the next seven years. No matter the rank, there were slugs in each of my peer groups. Good luck.

Response by LTC Joe Anderson made Jun 23 at 2020 10:06 AM

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Its not for everyone and the military needs good, strong, competent, NCO's as much as they good, strong, competent, Officers. So really think it over and consider what others on here have posted. Being a Butter Bar was tough. Even though I had prior service I was treated like I had none. It didn't matter to anyone I had been 11B for 6 years. Getting that silver bar was a great relief. It was only one up. But I gained more respected and responsibility. Even though the only thing that really changed was the color of the bar I wore. As a 1st Lt more Enlisted and Officers respected my prior service as well. I missed the comradery of the 11B enlisted soldiers life. After 6 years as an enlisted soldier I had worked up to E5 and I really liked it. But I wanted more leadership and responsibilities so I perused a commission through ROTC. At first the transition was a tough. But I found my niche and did 29 more years of service. I enjoyed it all and accomplished quit a bit. But I'd be lying if I said there wasn't days in those 29 years where I missed being an enlisted soldier and just one of the guys.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Jun 25 at 2020 2:56 PM

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Early in my military career I was offered 1st Lt and a chance to fly Hueys And I turned it down because I had many close calls in Vietnam and did not want to press my luck . Later if I would have took that more than likely I would have been rifted after the war wound down And besides now all Helo pilots are Warrant officers . I ended up with 33 years military service and retired as a CMSgt . And who knows if I would have survived I left Vietnam in 1966 with a lot of war left .
There is nothing wrong with becoming a officer but if you do think about being a leader . Having great leaders will impact your whole military career and will give you great advice how for you to manage and lead your people that is a given for a great military .

Response by LTC Scott Sossaman made Jun 26 at 2020 9:53 PM

2020-06-26T21:53:02-04:00

As someone who enlisted as an E-1, became an NCO and then retired as a senior officer I would tell you that if you do it for the money, then it becomes just a job as opposed to a profession or a calling. Leading soldiers will be the most rewarding thing you will ever do in your life. I spent 28 years in the Army and have no regrets at all. Good luck in your endeavors.

Response by CWO4 Jerry Place made Jun 27 at 2020 6:07 PM

2020-06-27T18:07:09-04:00

Please finish your college degree before you apply for OCS. I've seen too many young officers RIF'd because they don't have a college degree. I remember a young decorated Vietnam vet Captain that really wanted to stay until retirement but was RIF'd. At the time he was not eligible to go back to the ranks. I knew officers that finished their 20 years as an SNCO. Please finish your college degree.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2020 7:31 PM

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Check out the Regs on becoming an officer and read them very carefully. And remember that in the military u have to pay attn. to every word and were its placed. i had a degree when I went into the army and even turned down the chance to be offered West Point. A year into active duty I was offered OCS and I talked with an officer I knew. I was at one of what I feel is a very rare post that I could really do that at as an enlisted. And he told me that Any officer that knows u have been offered OCS is supposed to tell u to go for it. So I checked out the regs and read them and what he told me was word for word. So it means that even if an officer does not think u would be a good officer they are supposed to push u to do it.

And look at what u are doing it for and what ur college is. One of the statement in the regs when I read them was. They can take into consideration ur schooling. Does not mean they have to. And to me when they say schooling is it College or military? U may have college for one thing and military training for something completely diff.

Example. My 1st degree was in Forestry and my Primary MOS in the Army was 63B. Which would they use if any. My forestry degree meant that I knew how to read and use USGS maps, compass, I knew how to survey land, I could do flow rats in streams, knew how to ID several edible and none edible plants and knew several trees also by sight, by leaf, branch needles bark if it had any, common name and Latin name, could read Ariel photos and tell u types of trees, size of trees and or buildings and many other things. And I had gone to state comp in five sports at least once and nationals in one and qualified in two.

Personally I looked at the non military education and thought they would put me in Infantry and I did not want to be an Infantry officer

If u can get an officer to tell u if they think u would likely make a good officer and why and what they think ur strengths and weaknesses are that would be helpful.

Oh and remember that officer can be reactivated at any time.

To me this is a HUGE decision if ur doing it right. Look at ur goals and all of the above. Do not do it just for the pay. Make sure ur using it to set up either military goals or civilian goals.
If ur thinking on saying in and do not want to be the grunt work all of the time and want to move more in a management direction for a military career or civilian career then it could be good for u. And do not do it for a power trip cause someone can set u up for failure if u do.
And remember its a change in what u do and more paperwork.

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Jul 13 at 2020 1:14 PM

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Do it only because you know you can be better than the ones already in the officer ranks.

Response by SPC Ryan Vanlaanengregory made Jul 13 at 2020 5:17 PM

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Imagine, all the cool shiny Sensitive Items that your platoon gets when you go out to the field....now you're financially responsible for them and the 20+ teenagers that you just assigned them to.

Repeat after me. GET. HAND. RECEIPTS.

Response by SFC Shannon Meloy made Jul 13 at 2020 5:37 PM

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Never forget where you came from

Response by SCPO Jim Stinson made Jul 17 at 2020 1:33 PM

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Don't lower your standards to become an officer. Especially if you are up in rank, E6-E9. If you made it that far, just stay enlisted.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Jul 17 at 2020 4:56 PM

2020-07-17T16:56:22-04:00

If they have the patience and intelligence to know the differences between Tactics and Strategies,Why not? Responsibilities are highly detail oriented and inescapable once you lead. You're also raising peoples KIDS, so you are now a surrogate DAD, if you're worth a damn.
THAT IS unless you're an opportunist ..IT DOES work ...sometimes,'til you get caught and burned.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2020 7:40 PM

2020-07-17T19:40:04-04:00

Be prepared to be shut down. I've been in the ANG for over 16 years. I boarded 5 times for O. You can have all the check boxes marked, and still not get selected. ARNG is different in many respects.

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Jul 18 at 2020 1:01 AM

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With rank comes responsibility I had a 2nd Lt, in Germany 501st Ord Co. He was the section OIC but really he did not have any leadership in him. College degree with no practical experience You endanger yourself and the men who rely on you,

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Jul 18 at 2020 5:08 PM

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I made 7 pretty fast and didn’t expect to make 8 on my first look, but I did it I was seriously considering doing it.

The HUGE issue I was worried about was living the life of a 2LT.

That was a deal breaker for me.

If you’re going to do it- do it now.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Jul 19 at 2020 12:44 PM

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I can't add much more than LCDR Joshua Gillespie has. But you need to realize why you are choosing to do this. Is it for the more money argument, more respect argument, more authority argument, more status and prestige argument, or something else. Because if it one of the aforementioned reasons then you have lost before you started. More money will be there, more respect, maybe but from few for a long time until you have truly proven yourself. As far as the rest, not likely. If you go into this with an open mind, whether you are prior enlisted or not, you will find it to be a bit easier. I remember a specialist in one of my units going to OCS and then returning to the very same unit and becoming my platoon leader. At his first meeting with the platoon and subsequent speech, he basically said: I was here before as a specialist and now a 2nd LT, I know a little bit, not all of it, so I am hoping to work with all of you and to learn from you as you learn from me. That's all He said and then walked off. He did turn out to be a bit goofy and off kilter at times, but he did learn from us and vise versa, even though those of us who knew him well gave him all sorts of shits all the time. Bottom line is go in with an open mind and not an, "I am the leader and you will follow my instructions" sort of shit. He always backed his troops, no matter what and for that he got the respect he deserved. Just think long and hard on what your reasons are before making that jump..

Response by SSG Mannix Brooks made Jul 19 at 2020 11:12 PM

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My advice would be that given there are fewer officers than enlisted know that competition for the top spots ranks are very competitive. Instead of being evaluated for your own performance you are being evaluated against your peers and no matter how good you think you are or your peers some have to be rated below standards, meeting standard or exceptional no matter how close all of them are meaning you will have to do things that make an impact and are unique to you which means you may have to do some things that may label you as an assorted number of colorful names most not complimentary. Being candid in the wrong place with the wrong person at the wrong time can be a career ender and no matter how much you despise your superiors being candid like we are as enlisted personnel is non existent. You are around to make yourself look good by making your boss look good. You are both responsible to the men in your charge, the officer corp and finding the best way to move forward in promoting your career in the most expeditious manner possible. Don't be average, don't be good, aim for greatness.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jul 20 at 2020 12:11 PM

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#1 Must have an unwavering call to Honor, Duty, Country.
#2 Must be able to show firm compassion and make hard decisions as to UCMJ and troops.
#3 Must be willing to spend more time away from family performing your duties
#4 Must be willing to know individuals troop names who comprise your command
#5. Must have a wife who supports your call as an officer and contributes to that goal.
#6. Must have military bearing under all circumstances
#7. Must continue your education to next levels
#8 If you have a command, must be able to be in your unit before reveille and until taps are
sounded.
#9. Hold your junior officers accountable
#10. Hold your sergeants accountable
#11. Have frequent planning meetings and evaluations for junior officers and Sergeants.
#12. Strive to become a team with your first sergeant, he is the backbone of your success or failure
#13 Stand your ground under UCMJ when an illegal order is given. Never get involved in the politics
#14 Be sure to include your XO in details and responsibilities.
#15 Always get a complete inventory of your supplies and TOE, you will be held accountable
#16 Always be prepared for an IG inspection and hold your junior officers and NCO's accountable.
#17 Don't be afraid to frequently converse with your superior officer on a professional level.
#18 Be comfortable in your position as an officer and enjoy the ride.

Response by LTC Charles Lauderdale made Jul 22 at 2020 1:36 AM

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After joining the army at age 17.5 and serving as a tank driver, gunner, and tank commander before my 20th B-day I was perfectly content to stay in the squadron until the army fully realized I was the perfect candidate for the squadron's sergeants major position.

The enlisted promotion problem in the days before centralized promotions was rank after buck sergeant was subject to vacancies within the unit. Bottom line in those days many/most enlisted soldiers left the army after 20 years in the rank of of staff sergeant or sergeant first class. When the troop commander and my platoon leader presented me with an opportunity to go to officer candidate school I ran at the idea pretty hard until the troop first sergeant sat me down at his desk for a very long old, rawbone, soldier to witless, buck, sergeant talk. He laid out his personal story of accepting direct commissions in both WWII and Korea only to be reduced back to his enlisted rank after both conflicts ended. The primary reason was the lack of a college education. In short, he convinced me to consider enrolling in a college program that included participation in the college's ROTC program.

By achieving distinguished graduate status I was commissioned regular army versus reserve and thus did not sweat (quite as much) the several RIF's that occurred in the years following Vietnam. In addition, as a mustang I believe I was able to see the world through the eyes of my soldiers and anticipate their needs, feelings, reactions, etc. In summary, once a grunt always a grunt!

Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired

Response by PFC Richard Piszczek made Jul 22 at 2020 8:57 AM

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Take advantage of all education opportunities were you can get a degree and attack your MOS with a vengeance becoming g the best there is. That way you will show leadership qualities the service is looking for. I give this advice as one who went through artillery OCS at Ft Sill in 1965. You must give 100% never doubt yourself or what you are capable of.

Response by Capt Vickie Adams made Jul 22 at 2020 11:47 AM

2020-07-22T11:47:18-04:00

I served in the Air Force from 1972-1992. I was enlisted for the first eight years. I was also a medic. Operation Bootstrap allowed me to complete my Bachelor's degree. After graduation, my Section Commander spoke to me about applying for a commission. I applied, was accepted, and started OTS three months later. Officer Training School was a great experience. Following tech training, the AF made me a Section Commander because I had 8 years of experience. Heck, I was a medic! But I learned. it boils down to a few "rules": Get to work early. Stay late. Attend all mandatory and non-mandatory functions. Do all the required training. Work on your Masters degree. keep your nose clean. You are more visible as an officer. Your enlisted friends are no longer your peers, so maintain a professional distance. Fraternization is real and can cause a career derailment.

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Jul 22 at 2020 6:24 PM

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No matter what your rank, you will always have soldiers below you to lead and above you to learn from. Integrity in both directions matters most. I always taught those I lead everything I knew because they would one day take my place. What I learned from my superiors was how to respect their position and not repeat their mistakes. The way I was treated as a female MSG was a challenge and an opportunity to do my job as an example that personnel would want to respond to in a productive way. Going up the ranks is leadership no matter how far you go.

Response by SGT Leon Riege made Jul 22 at 2020 8:28 PM

2020-07-22T20:28:09-04:00

if you do not know who audey murpy is find out , if you do know ,then you know you could have a worse role model

Response by SPC Patrick DiStaso made Jul 24 at 2020 2:39 PM

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When I was drafted in January of 71 4 of us were asked if we were offered to go to OCS we turned it down.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Jul 25 at 2020 11:05 AM

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As a Mustang myself, I'll tell you what I told my junior officers and NCOs, "Leadership is the ability to motivate others to do something, not necessarily in their best interest, willing, without fear of punishment."

Your leadership skills and techniques will be dependent, to a large extent, on your personality and experience. If you truly care about your people and their ability to accomplish the mission, you'll do fine.

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jul 27 at 2020 9:51 AM

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All of the above comments are pearls of wisdom and I'd like to add a few more. Before you begin the process to become an officer, I would first suggest that you complete an under-graduate degree program. Secondly, that you develop your English-language writing skills to the highest degree possible as well as Math if you are considering a CMF that requires math (e.g., Engineering, Artillery).
After you earn your commission (and I hope you do), develop good observation and listening skills. Be prepared to carry more than your weight from time to time. Show that you are willing and able to do what your subordinates do. "Lead by example" is one of the most important virtues that any leader can show. Listen and learn from your NCOs, especially those who have known combat. Never, ever, hold grudges, show bias or seek revenge.
Lastly, continue your civilian as well as the military education that you will have the opportunity to acquire. Many officers (and NCOs) acquire Bachelor's and Master's degrees that aren't worth the ink that they are printed with. Think of your life after military service always and enhance your skills in something that you believe that you will enjoy.
I have only had two careers in my life. I was a soldier and a teacher. It was never about the "Benjamins. Both, to me, were my vocations. I gave my best because I enjoyed what I was doing. I would consider that as well if I were in your shoes.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Jul 28 at 2020 1:44 PM

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Only go officer if you want to make it a career. If your an E- 7 with 12 years and want to put in 30 go for it. You will top out at LT col. If your just going for the min 20 years might be better to stay enlisted. You will top out as an E-8 or an E-9. IF you would go officer for 8 years you will likely be a captain or an O-3 when you have 20 in. The reason to stay enlisted is you will have rank privlage in duty assignments. Going from E-7 to O-1 might sound great pay wise but a O-1 Is a bottom of the barrel officer. Instead of a great duty station you might get a junk duty station all other officers passed on welcome to Iceland as sanitation officer..

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Aug 6 at 2020 11:25 PM

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I would say it is your choice and a career build enhancement. However you will lose some old comrades, gain some new comrades and have enemies in the O ranks. But here is the down side because you have to pay for everything to include meals, billeting, uniforms, & what not. Instead of being responsible for a few, you became responsible for all. Best wishes and good luck.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Aug 9 at 2020 12:50 PM

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Go for it...if you feel you have the credentials. I whole heartily advise you to. The best officers in the Army, from my past experience are former enlisted to OCS officers hands down.
Good luck warrior...hoooah!!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2020 8:25 PM

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I transitioned from E5(P) to O-1 as a direct commission and it was brutal. I was not an OCS, ROTC or Academy grad nor Medical, Legal or Chaplain. I was a Medical Service Corps, which like every other officer position, just requires a college degree and federal recognition. My peers didn't know what to do with me because I was older than them by 10 years. My Senior NCOs wanted to treat me as a former NCO but couldn't. So, I worked with the First Sergeant and my Troop/Company XO to gain credibility and stay out of the way of my NCOs.

So, if you do decide to pursue a commission, do it because you love being a soldier and a servant-leader. Your previous experience has its limitations but will assist you in avoiding the career landmines many young officers find. It will also help you collaborate with your Senior NCO (PSG/MSG) and learn from your Senior Rater. But choose this path without regard to pay or power or ego but because you can serve others and believe you can operate at a higher level of responsibility/authority.

Response by CPL Gary Dishman made Sep 22 at 2020 9:05 PM

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You will be on the bottom of a long line of Officers and you will have to start all over again and being an Officer isn't like being an Enlisted as over time when it come's time to be promoted they can pass you over for the least bullshit . Plus the Enlisted does all the work and the Officer's take all the credit . But if you do and your at your first duty station make sure you find your high ranking NCO and ask him how does thing's work and what can make it better cause if you go and start making waves then you will be on everyone's shit list .

Response by 1SG Brian Emmert made Oct 9 at 2020 4:53 PM

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I had a number of my soldiers go this route and I encouraged them all to get at least 5 years enlisted experience. Go to at least PLDC and BNCOC. Get familiar with the way things work in their branch, specifically their MOS. Get the hands on experience to go with the theory that would be provided.
Knowledge is power. Most of all, remember where they came from. They knew how enlisted soldiers reacted to officers, good and bad, and to be part of the solution to fix the relationship between the enlisted and officer ranks. I was never disappointed and am proud of them all.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Oct 15 at 2020 9:09 AM

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Shop around! You have degrees and probably IT certifications that should make you very attractive for any Service. Talk to recruiters from all 6 Services. USAF and USSF should be very interested in your cyber education and experience.

Based on your personal goals take the commissioning option that’s the best deal for you.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Oct 26 at 2020 5:41 PM

2020-10-26T17:41:16-04:00

It is a grave responsibility You must have leadership skills and know what they are. Remember the personell you are in charge of come first. That is your strength. A good leader doesn't have to be loved but he must be respected and fair. Listen to your NCO.s Sometimes they are wiser and have more experience than you might have. I spent 4yrs in the Marine Corp. (59-63) I made the rank of Cpl. I joined the Army (63-66) as a PFC. In 13 months I was a SP/5. I also went to a leadership academy at Ft, Knox. In Vietnam I was offered a battlefield commission as a 2nd. Lt. I only had 3 months left before I come home to see my wife of 8 months. If I had chosen to be an officer I would have had to stay in Vietnam another year. I chose my wife. Semper Fi.

Response by MAJ Stephen Zglinicki made Oct 27 at 2020 7:45 AM

2020-10-27T07:45:37-04:00

11 years of 23 in command...prepare to be politically appeasing to superiors while gluing yourself to the Army values, you may loose control but never loose command and remember... "the more you climb up the flag pole...the more your ass hangs out!"

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Oct 27 at 2020 11:43 PM

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Remember where you came from if you decide to enter the officer ranks. Treat your people the way you expect to be treated,with dignity, courtesy and respect. You will find that goes a long way and your soldiers will always have your back.

Response by SGT James (Mike) White made Dec 17 at 2020 8:18 AM

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If you are planning on staying in I would highly recommend becoming an officer. You will have a lot more responsibilities but in the long run you won't regret it.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Dec 17 at 2020 8:24 AM

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Have 10 years experience as enlisted first. Then understand that while you might have had some authority and were senior to some...you are starting at the bottom of the ranks again. It will require a shift in thinking. Remember to observe, and listen. Then after thought, when it's time to make a decision...make it.

Response by Sgt Lee Dutra made Dec 17 at 2020 11:15 AM

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Don't!

Response by Sgt Lee Dutra made Dec 17 at 2020 11:15 AM

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Don't!

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Dec 19 at 2020 3:07 PM

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I have been both enlisted and commissioned officer. I was a Buck Sgt. then got out and finished college and accepted into a scholarship program from the Army to attend Medical school. I was rested more respectfully as an officer but also more obligations. But I was able to do my job much better as an officer due to my experience as an NCO. I was able to care for my subordinates better because of my experience. And it was kind of satisfying seeing the look on a spec 5’s face in supply and who had tried giving me a hard time overseas, when he realized who the guy wearing Captain’s Bars was who was standing in front of him. Priceless

Response by CPT Christopher Stanco made Dec 20 at 2020 9:46 AM

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Gain as much experience and knowledge as you can as an enlisted soldiers you can before you make the leap to the Officer Corps. E-5 and up is what I would say depending on your career projection and age.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2020 4:54 PM

2020-12-20T16:54:13-05:00

As I went WO, I can certainly say, make sure, before you drop a packet, that you are truly technically and tactically competent. Get a Senior WO who knows you give you a no BS assessment. If you need something else to round you out, go after it. Better to wait and be the technical and tactical expert than to show up on day 1 and look ignorant when asked a question.

As for RLO, the biggest thing I noticed was that some folks can’t let go of the stripes. You are not the TL, SL, PSG anymore, they have a job to do and it does not involve you getting into their business because BTDT. Listen to the PSG (who has probably dealt with more than a few LT) and learn what you need to learn to be a leader.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 9:19 AM

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My military career was more like a hobby to me than work. I really loved what I was doing. I was in the Army National Guard when I went to OCS, so at the time it was a second job to me. Once commissioned I found that the system works to eliminate you (up or out) but I became determined to stick with my career until the end. I had commanders and general officers tell me they did not have a position for me, but somehow I was able to overcome that. I loved serving our country and always felt it was the greatest honor to wear the uniform. After 36 total years of service, I was able to stick with it to earn an active duty retirement. I agree with the others who say don't do it for the money, and don't think you'll get over when it comes to work. The grass is definitely not green on the commissioned side.

Response by PO3 Kenn Andrus made Jan 7 at 2021 7:21 AM

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I have been both sides of the coin. Enlisted in the Navy and commissioned in the Air Force. I enjoyed my time as an enlisted more as there was less politics and backstabbing. As an officer I had to deal with other officers who felt that the only way to advance was to stab everyone around them in the back if you didn't suck up and kiss their butt. This may not be true of all officers, but it was the case with those that I had to deal with. I left as a Major after 16 years of working my butt off the earn my rank and seeing others brown nose to get their rank for no effort. Your choice.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Jan 19 at 2021 6:09 PM

2021-01-19T18:09:04-05:00

I see a lot of comments from the officer side. I will give my perspective from the NCO side of the house. I was offered a commission during my career. I turned it down because I felt I would be more effective doing the individual (NCO) part of the mission rather than the collective (officer) part of the mission. I wanted to be closer to the soldiers and their training and growth. Do some soul searching and determine your strengths and your weaknesses. Determine where you will be the most effective and have the most positive impact on the soldiers you lead. NCO's and Officers both lead and both have impacts on our soldiers. Go where your heart tells you and then give it 110% on a bad day. I'm sure you will make the right decision.

Response by SPC Charles Knable made Jan 20 at 2021 7:08 PM

2021-01-20T19:08:18-05:00

you are enlisted, do not forget where you came from. nobody really respects rank unless the person holding said rank can justify the pay raise. you know nothing and you can prove it. always consider your enlisted input. understand you can water down the strict protocols that higher officers implement, your soldiers will respect this. you want your soldiers to genuinely respect you.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 12:05 AM

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I did it ... SSG (E-6) to 2LT (O-1E) ... I thought it would be a seamless transition, but I quickly learned it was NOT going to be seamless. As a SF NCO, it hands-on, get the job done and move onto the next mission/task. As a 2LT, I learned don't meddle in NCO business, delegate appropriately and let them do their J.O.B. It requires some adjustment, mentorship and commitment. The moral of the story: Be flexible and NOT afraid to learn. If you're NOT making mistakes, you're NOT doing your J.O.B.

My next transition from Captain (O3E) to WO1 14 years later was another transition which required adjustment; another story for another time.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 10:15 AM

2021-01-21T10:15:49-05:00

The grass is always greener on the other side...because it’s full of shit. There are obvious advantages to commissioning, especially if you have enlisted experience. But I think people tend to underestimate what you’re trading in order to become an officer. For some it works and for others it can come back to bite you. My best advice, have a really good reason that has nothing to do with getting more money.

Response by MAJ John Woods made Jan 22 at 2021 6:43 PM

2021-01-22T18:43:44-05:00

I did it at 19...Commissioned at 20...Best thing to do is not return to the same Unit...Transfer to another Unit at another Installation...Then, do not act like you know everything because you have some prior service...Observe and then make changes if they need to be made...Remember...Take care of your Men and they will take care of the Mission...

Response by PO1 Vincent Cruz made Jan 29 at 2021 11:52 AM

2021-01-29T11:52:49-05:00

That's a great career move but only if you got what it takes.

Response by 1LT Mike Schelp made Jan 31 at 2021 10:38 PM

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Get a four year degree, get FIT, take every school you can get, get ready for some tough training. “Courage Never Quits”, OCS Class 4-86. Been there, done that.

Response by COL Mo Fenner made Feb 10 at 2021 10:19 AM

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I have pinned 2LT bars on 7 former enlisted soldiers. Most have done well. As a former enlisted guy myself, here is the advice that I gave them all:
1. Leaders lead by example and the best example is to always do your best at everything. It can be a PT test or prepping for an inspection, just passing is no longer enough.
2. Never compromise your integrity. Signing something that is wrong or saying saying something that is wrong, can get someone killed in our job
3. Being powerful is like being a Lady, if you have to say you are - you are not. You still need to be in the motorpool with everyone when it is cold. You still need to eat last.
4. Listen to your NCOs. I know you have heard it a 100 times, but do it. Just make sure that they are good NCOs.
5. 2LTs screw up. Even former E-7s. Something about the dynamics of the job. Take deep breaths and drive on.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 21 at 2021 6:52 PM

2021-02-21T18:52:46-05:00

As a 1SG I wouldn't take the demotion.

;)

Response by CPL Chris Palmberg made Feb 22 at 2021 12:13 PM

2021-02-22T12:13:57-05:00

For those who have said "don't do it for the money, " I can't agree heartily enough. My intent out of HS (before enlisting) was to enlist as a reservist then attend college via ROTC and gain my commission.
Along the way, the strangest thing happened. I discovered that independent patient treatment was my passion. I watched the officer corps, medical service, nurses, and physicians, and realized I liked my job better than theirs. And I abandoned my plans to do twenty commissioned years.
My suggestion is to drill down on your motivation. Is it that the job you want isn't available to enlisted personnel (pilots come to mind) ? Then seek out that commission. Do you truly enjoy making things go boom? Then stay enlisted, because other than the occasional proficiency range and rare occasions IRL your mission, with a commission, is to ensure your assigned personnel have the training, information, and tools necessary to build things, blow up other things, and engage hostile forces. Rarely does an officer have those opportunities after O-2, because that's not the mission of company grade officers.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Mar 18 at 2021 3:25 PM

2021-03-18T15:25:42-04:00

Depends on The Goal....

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2021 11:55 PM

2021-04-05T23:55:43-04:00

Green to Gold Program. https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/advance-your-career/green-to-gold/green-to-gold-active-duty.html

Green to Gold Active Duty

When you enroll in Army ROTC, you'll get more than college degree and scholarships. Gain leadership skills you can apply to your career and as an Officer.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2021 7:09 AM

2021-04-19T07:09:16-04:00

It was the best move I made in my career. I disagree with "don't do it for money" that is one large reason I did it. I switched over at 15 years and as an O1E I was treated fairly. My Commander told me and several other Priors that we were held to a higher standard because of our Enlisted service. I was never looked down upon and definitely looked up to by others.