What AR or National Guard Bureau regulation covers fraternization between Officers and Enlisted in the National Guard?

CPT Chris Loomis — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:36:23 -0500

Can somebody please tell me what AR or Natl Guard Bureau Regulation covers fraternization between Officers and Enlisted in the National Guard?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2019 4:41 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:41:00 -0500

AR 600-20 sir.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Nov 17 at 2019 4:47 PM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:47:44 -0500

AR 600-20

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Nov 17 at 2019 5:14 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:14:14 -0500

AR600-20. DAPAM600-25. Covers ARNG and RC

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Nov 17 at 2019 6:19 PM

SPC Stewart Smith — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:19:52 -0500

Hmmm I have a completely hypothetical question:
Scenerio: Enlisted soldier joins the army reserve after active duty. Enlisted soldier and commander of the unit have a sexual relationship. Enlisted soldier contract ends and leaves the military, but still carries on a relationship for a couple years. The commander is still in the army.
Question: Since the CO is still in the army, can she be subject to UCMJ action?
Asking for a friend.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2019 6:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:28:36 -0500

Not to be rude or anything, but I hope you do not take command any time soon until you know basic regulations

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Nov 17 at 2019 9:33 PM

LTC Ray B. (Ret) — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:33:56 -0500

Same as active

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2019 10:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:40:07 -0500

I may be showing my lack of current knowledge in this particular area, but I have a (probably stupid) question: why would one even assume there would be alternate regs to active duty UCMJ on this subject? I just don't understand why the regs here would be any different at all. Also, I may be an old fogey, but I strongly feel that this is not just a moral issue - it's also about security, respect and a maintaining a functioning COC, in my view.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2019 11:05 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:05:37 -0500

AR 600-20, para 4-14c(2)
Any punishment would occur under UCMJ, Article 92

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2019 11:50 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:50:15 -0500

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r600_20.pdf

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Response by SMSgt Bruce McDowell made Nov 18 at 2019 12:44 PM

SMSgt Bruce McDowell — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:44:06 -0500

The NGB uses active duty regs. There are areas that explain and address NG issues. With that said there are limitations that some NG units ignore when it comes to senior leadership and family members in the same unit. (from experience)

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Nov 18 at 2019 2:56 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:56:38 -0500

LTC Jason Mackay gave you the documentation numbers. In plain language the Army regulations apply. However, the Reserve Components were allowed to take exception to parts of these regulations. In general, people in the Reserve Components may fraternize when they are off duty and not subject to the UCMJ. Also, if the relationship predated either or both of the people joining the Reserve Component, then the relationship is not usually considered fraternization.

Let me point out that this can create a challenging situation. Reserve Component units can be very tight organizations. Everybody may know everybody else's business. If Captain Smith is going out with SGT Jones on their civilian time it may be legal. However, if CPT Smith appears to offer any possible favoritism to SGT Jones during their official duties, then problmes may ensue. My recommendation is to be very careful about officer-enlisted relations on or off duty in Active or Reserve Component.