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I can answer this for you. Back in 1989 when I first ETS'd from the active Army they were handing out RE-3 codes to almost everyone for virtually any reason. It was my first enlistment so I had no idea what the code meant and believed them when they told me it meant I could reenlist anytime I wanted to. It was the first major draw down of my now 32 year career and the Bush (41) administration had made a decision at the end of the Cold War to eliminate about 25% of the force and make sure we couldn't come back. I tried to get into ROTC in 1990 and was denied due to the RE code. I eventually commissioned through Guard OCS in 2003 and ended up teaching ROTC at two Texas Universities as a contractor. Re-entry into the military with an RE-3 requires a waiver and your best bet is to try either the Guard or Reserve. You're Army but you may not know the difference. Reserves are Title 10 federal troops and Guard is Title 32 State troops. The active Army is component 1, Guard is component 2, and Reserves is component 3. Guard is under state (governor) control unless federalized and is the bulk of all Army combat forces and serves as both an operational and strategic reserve force in the Total Army concept. Reserves are primarily Combat Support and Combat Service Support organizations. Both components have positives and negatives and your best bet is to talk to both and see who will make you the better offer. You would also have the advantage of being eligible to enter the ROTC Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP) where you would attend drill as a cadet and (theoretically) engage in officer level training while you continued your degree. All of that time counts toward time in service and pay. I used to try and get cadets to consider the program but many cadets would look down on the Guard and Reserve as beneath them even though most ended up receiving their commissions in one of them. The difference between an SMP cadet and a traditional cadet at this time is commissioning as an an O-1 over nothing or an O-1 over 3 years. That's about $500/month on the current active duty pay scale. In your case you may be able to qualify for O-1E pay which is nearly $1000/month difference, depending on how many years service finance credits you. SMP cadets are paid for drill at the E-5 level unless they have achieved an enlisted rank higher than that. You would also be non-deployable until you completed your degree, ROTC commissioning requirements, and your Branch Basic Course (BOLC). Hope this answers your questions. Feel free to ask me anything else. I'm always willing to help a troop build their career.
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This covers everything that I would have said. My only additional comment would be is that there is little advantage for prior service to take the first two years of ROTC. If I were going the this route today, I would join that Guard or Reserve unit, then join ROTC in my junior year since your Basic and MOS training will exempt you from the first two year. But you do get paid as E5 as a SMP and it does keep you from deploying.
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This changes with the needs of the Army. The issue you really need to worry about is how you got the RE-3. When you want to become an officer there usually is a review board of your records. There usually isn't a bar that must be met. It isn't if you just x, y, and z. They only seek the best. If they believe that the best only have an RE-1 then they may over look you. Just being honest I can't say that I have seen anyone with less than an RE-1 have success with their careers.
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Thank you. I wish my branch or the Department of the Army could see how this affects soldiers who want to continue serving. I was informed a week ago that I am on assignment to Korea in March. I ETS in February. They said you have two choices, extend to fulfill that assignment or sign a dec statement. They said I haven't fulfilled my service remaining requirement and I wish someone would've told me this earlier, so here I am already accepted to a college and about to apply for ROTC and now I'm wondering how I can still follow the plans I've had for the last two years. I am 30 now and will be 31 in January. I was told I needed two years left to finish college and be 34 years old or less by the time of commission. If I extend to go to Korea that would prevent me from following my goal. I don't mind Korea, I was there for 2.5 years and loved it but its how it affects my plans after my active duty enlistment that is causing frustration and the fact what is written and what is said being different. Only reason why I chose to be an officer was the Army wouldn't let me switch to a MOS where I can be challenged. I want to do something where I can engage my mind. I have felt like I've wasted 5 1/2 years not learning much or doing anything. Its not like I don't try, I work my ass off when I have work to do. All I want is work that makes me feel like I accomplished something. Also, my MOS doesn't have a very good career. Have met only two NCO's who have made it and both have a negative outlook on their careers. They're good leaders, but just stuck in a job where there's little advancement. I just want the feeling like there's no limit to how far you can go.
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SPC (Join to see) - The RE-3 would be for not completing your contracted term of service then. LT Rosa is right, this changes from time to time depending on the needs of the Army. Another option you may have is complete your enlistment and deploy and complete a degree online. Even if it's an Associate degree it will help and knock out your first two years so your can go straight into MS-3 ROTC. Many people don't know that when you transfer credits to a university they can pick and choose which they will accept and usually throw a lot of them out ($$$), wasting your time and money. If you transfer a degree they have to accept all of the credits for that degree. If you can manage to knock out a BA/BS you might be able to get an OCS packet done in the AC. You can also do that in the Guard or Reserve, though you'll likely be commissioned in that component. Guard still allows commission up to age 36 if I'm not mistaken. I realize you are probably looking for AC commission but active duty opportunities do come up in the RCs as well. It took me over 20 years but I did eventually get on AGR. I have just enough time left to retire at 60 with 39 years total, but only 35 "good" years (IRR doesn't count for much).
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I have already completed 128 credits and am planning on joining as a MS-3 ROTC cadet by Summer or Fall. If I extend they most likely will add two years with one year for that assignment. By that time I will already be 33 and be too old to finish degree and go OCS.
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It's not necessarily the RE code that you need to worry about so much as the separation code.
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