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SGT Kristin Wiley
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"Successfully completed all SFL-TAP courses" doesn't sound like a great NCOER bullet. So I'm looking for any recommendations for how to write bullets during an NCO's transition period from Active Duty. Activities during this time included reintegration into the unit after a 6-month TDY, holiday stand-down, unit reorganization, leave, and transition.
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"Displayed all of the characteristics of a short timer to the highest degree. "

"Consistently demonstrated the work ethic of a one month left NCO while still five months out"

"Transitioned so well that most in unit never realized he returned from 6 month TDY in the first place".

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SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas
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LTC (Join to see) You are always very informative and entertaining in your responses!
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SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas - thanks. But I just changed some phrases from my retirement OER from officer to NCO, so I really can't take any credit.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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LTC (Join to see) Funny, but I hope I'm never the NCO that receives those comments.
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SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas
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I don't know about the Army but the AF we are taught to state then accomplishment in terms of percentage, cost, savings, etc..on how well it was done, and the impact on the mission!
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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I transition, they complete all the mandated SFL-TAP courses, arrange an ETS move, start working on VA claims, post-transition jobs, education, insurance, housing, etc. If they have time to work around those requirements, they do, but it's a lot more intensive then a normal ETS. There are also more transition requirements then there were a few years ago. Having two job applications, a resume, list of references, college acceptance letter, etc, is all a mandatory part of the process. Then arranging a move without government assistance on the other end is a challenge all to itself.
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SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas
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When we have people who are separating or retiring, they have the option of receiving an EPR or OER. We also perform several feedback sessions per year to have needed information. Some will ask the person that asks for one to write down all they have done and write it from there. Others ask them to write it and tweak it accordingly.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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I believe this changed with the new NCOER requirements, see my response to MAJ Ballinger for more details.
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SSG Ews (Early Warning Systems) Operator
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SGT Kristin Wiley - I could say the person took it upon his or herself to complete everything so that the unit had an easy time doing the paperwork, was proactive about it and got things done in a timely fashion.
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SGT Kristin Wiley i'm just wondering if the transition process is as time consuming and long as you described, if the NCO can really be considered to be performing his duty position during that time. You know the way job descriptions say "responsible for blah, blah, blah..." ; was he actually still responsible for any work product or supervisory duties during this time? Or was he essentially considered out of the job and transitioning?

The reason I ask is that if he wasn't actually responsible for any of the job duties listed on the NCOER, than maybe the transition period should/could be considered nonrated time. I have no idea if the reg addresses that, but it sounds like you are basically trying to write an NCOER for a NCO whose only duty is outprocessing. If he performed no work under his official job title and responsibilities, then it seems odd to rate him as such during transition.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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The primary responsibility was transitioning, not out-processing. Out-processing is completed near the end of the transition process. Transitioning itself is a very time-consuming process that's supposed to be started 12 months out. In this case, it wasn't started until 5 months out due to mission requirements. Combine that with the unit reorganization, holidays, and leave, and that leaves less than 3 months to complete the transition process. Once most of the transition requirements have been completed, the SM can request to start out-processing.
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SGT Kristin Wiley - sorry, then, I can't offer any advice. The current system of transitioning appears to be way more involved then anything in my frame of reference from long ago. I can't even imagine a soldier being told 6 months before his ETS that his primary responsibility is to get ready to be a civilian. Does someones replacement show up 6 months earlier than the soldiers departure date so that someone is doing his job while he is transitioning fulltime? If a soldier is completely relieved of their job responsibilities months ahead of time, then it seems like they should get a change of duty NCOER that completes his time as an analyst or whatever his job is. Then if his sole responsibility is transitioning he could get an NCOER for that "duty".

But as I said, I'm afraid I can't really grasp the concept of a soldier being allowed to be "short" officially for six months with no job responsibilities, so I got nothing.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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LTC (Join to see) It's their primary duty, because the requirements are federally mandated. The transition program is a commander's program, and the chain of command can get in a lot of heat if the soldier isn't given time to complete the requirements. Some requirements are unique to the soldier and take longer to complete. (ie. medical, VA claims process, etc.). The soldier won't have the support system once they transition out, so as part of the effort to set soldiers up for success, reduce Veteran unemployment/suicides, etc, by ensuring soldiers have the skills to find employment, and understand the resources available to them prior to leaving the service. We are also 45 minutes away from the nearest base with a transition center. I imagine if we were closer it wouldn't require as much time. From what I understand, they are changing the program so there's career milestones that are completed throughout several years of service, rather than a lump sum prior to leaving. This will likely help streamline the process.
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SGT Kristin Wiley - very impressed with your conceptual understanding of this process, most senior soldiers have no clue. And yes as you have stated in one of your posts the percentages are briefed monthly to the garrison CDR and the lack of participation is always discussed.
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