Posted on Apr 28, 2017
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I know that during primary, the 72s spend less time on hovering and basic airmanship owing to their advanced avionics. But when it comes to Basic Warfighter Skills, do the 72s still get to do all the same cool things the 67s do? I hear BWS is what all flight students look forward to in the 67 with cool stuff like low level, NAP of the earth type flying. Do 72s get the same training? Or Different?
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1LT (Join to see) the difference between 72 and 67 is 5.
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The courses are structured differently, although the phase is named the same.

BWS for the 67 course is conducted in the OH-58 and done all during the day. Primary focus is on navigation in additional to tactical maneuvers.

BWS for the 72 course is half done during the day and half done during the night, so you actually fly nights in the 72 whereas you don't in the 58.

All in all, everyone becomes a pilot. You don't get to choose when you come down here, so it's kind of a moot point.
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I'm less concerned about the end state of being a pilot and more concerned about the quality of training I receive when I'm in flight school. From what I've heard here at Rucker, the UH-72 doesn't allow students to really get the feel of flying, nor allow the practice of emergency procedures. I know I won't have a choice when I start but I am hoping for TH-67s.
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Well unless you plan on flying the Robinson for the rest of your career, I honestly believe it's a moot point. Pardon my bias since I did the Lakota course.

But when you go to your advanced airframe, unless you're flying A/L, a lot of the avionics and systems are much more aligned to the 72 than the 67. No one says you're a "real pilot" because you fly the A/L and not the M.
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I did the 67 course, my best friend and fellow pilot in my unit did the 72 course. We are both at the same skill level now flying 60Ms. I know it's easy to be concerned about these things, but 1LT Cho is correct - it really doesn't matter if you get the 67 or 72. Honestly, the "real" training doesn't begin until you get to your unit and start RL progression. Rucker is to get your driver license - the bare minimum to "safely" operate a helicopter with adult supervision. The real training and fun is after Rucker, and they don't care if you did 72s or 67s.
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I don't suppose 5 students is the right answer???
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The UH-72 Lakota and the TH-67 Creek.
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