Posted on Apr 15, 2014
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What are the feelings over the national guard losing all of their attack helicopter asset
The Guard will lose all of their attack helicopter assets to the active duty and have to restructure training. This will reduce the footprint of Guard aviation maintenance and senior pilots and mechanics will potentially lose their full time positions.
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I have to say Im on the fence about this.  During my three deployments the Guard aviation assets tended to be some of the most proficient and well maintained aircraft and aviators in theater.  On the other hand, there is about to be approximately 400 less aircraft in the active component with the official (Maybe) retirement of the OH-58 Kiowa.  I have no idea if this is really going to save the Army money as the Apache is a very maintenance heavy aircraft (Cant tell you how many hours I have working on them), and now the cost of maintaining approximately 300 more aircraft will be soley on the active Army.  I think in the longterm this will prove to be a bad decision, but who knows, Im just a SSG.
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SSG Jeffrey Spencer
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How are the NG going to be qualified and well-trained when they get called up to round out the ranks of the active unit?


 


Seems short-sighted to me.  More political blunders in keeping a qualified force.

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The attack/recon mision is being completely taken away from the NG/Reserve and they are recieving UH/LUH aircraft that will better fit what should be their mission.....as briefed in congress.
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1SG Shane Hansen
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My thoughts are that it makes sense, but will creat some hardships if another war does happen. 

The primary purpose of the national guard is NOT to seek and destroy. My understanding is that the primary mission is to respond to disasters and domestic emergencies with a secondary mission of going to war. 

This puts more burden on the active aviation assets during times of war because there will not be the national guard attack assets to fall back on and provide relief of deployments. 

For monetary savings and alignment with the new Army CAB structuring it does make sense though.  The active army has to fill the void from getting rid of the antiquated OH-58D somehow.  I don't think we can afford a new scout or attack helicopter development/fielding program right now. 

This is just my opinion, but then again I am an assault guy, not an attack guy. 

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MSG Donald R. Lee, M.B.A.
MSG Donald R. Lee, M.B.A.
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1SG, I'll have to disagree with you a bit here. I understand the confusion about the dual missions of the National Guard having been a member for many years. But to say that the primary mission of the NG is "NOT to seek and destroy" is simply incorrect. Like the Army Reserve, the NG is a Reserve component of the Army. Its missions are the same as the missions of the Active Army. In fact, some years ago it was reported that a "significant" percentage of the Army's combat strength was in the NG. In contrast, the Army Reserve has been re-organized over the years to provide more of the combat support and combat service support to the Active component. But the NG remains a viable combat force to stand side by side with the Active component. As far as the other mission, the State mission, yes, this is the role that many associate with a National Guard unit. And having worked hurricanes, tornadoes, and other natural disasters, I can tell you it is a rewarding part of the job.

Hope that helps to understand the dual missions of the NG!
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1SG Shane Hansen
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MSG Lee, that's awesome and I am not downplaying what the national guard does, has done, or hasn't done.  I just got my information about their mission straight from the national guard website where it states what I said above. 

Do you have any thoughts on the topic of the apache being taken away from the national guard?

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MSG Donald R. Lee, M.B.A.
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Force structure changes are a fact of life unfortunately, especially in an age of slashing budgets, changing political philosophies, and national interests. As a Guardsman I saw a battalion go from Combat Engineer, to PATRIOT Missile, to Military Police (which seems like a PERFECT role for the NG, given their dual mission; I would say the same about the combat engineer MOS's).

As far as the NG losing its attack helicopter forces, I agree with SSG Spencer above: if the powers-that-be want the NG to be an effective organization in the area of attack helicopter missions, they need to give them the equipment and the training and maintenance budget and resources to be viable on the battlefield. Apparently someone has a different plan for the helicopter forces of the NG.

What I find most interesting is that force structure changes are forecast several years out. I've always wondered how the wizards in Washington can tell the future enough to know "we don't need attack helicopters in the NG anymore" (for example). This is what I saw up close in Alabama: the smart guys eliminated a lot of the "fully manned, fully trained, and fully equipped" engineer units in Alabama a few years before the GWOT, in favor of the Patriot missile. Within 10 years the Patriot missile was gone, NEVER having lived up to its potential; while among the early units in Iraq in 2003 were ENGINEERS and ARMOR (two elements the smart guys in Alabama had just gotten rid of). "It's a mystery wrapped up in an enigma" to me.
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