What are the Pros and cons of switching from the Marine Corps to the Army?

Sgt Vernon Fulmer — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:15:51 -0400

I would like to advance my military career in special operations, but the gap is closing because of my TIS in the Marine Corps. I do love my Marine Corps, however, it might be time for me to take my desires and experience elsewhere. I'm using this time to finish my degree, and explore my options. I was hoping there was someone who could give me some insight.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jul 6 at 2017 8:18 PM

SN Greg Wright — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:18:56 -0400

I'm curious, why aren't you considering the Raiders?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 8:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:26:48 -0400

A lot of Marines I know have switched simply because the Army is bigger.

Much bigger. Which means more room for promotions, and more career fields. Army has far, far more to do in the Special Operations world.

However. Are you a Reservist, or Active? Because of your rank, you will find some issues in trying to switch branches.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 8:28 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:28:36 -0400

Sgt Vernon Fulmer Have you considered Force Recon or a Marine Raider Battalion? Semper Fi. Finishing your degree = A+. Good luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Forces_Special_Operations_Command

United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command - Wikipedia

United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command (MARSOC) is a component command of the United States Special Operations Command that comprises the Marine Corps' contribution to SOCOM. Its core capabilities are direct action, special reconnaissance and foreign internal defense. MARSOC has also been directed to conduct counter-terrorism, and information operations.[4]

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Jul 6 at 2017 8:38 PM

LTC Jeff Shearer — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 20:38:47 -0400

SGT one of my best friends in SF was a former Marine. He was on an amtrak, hope the spelling is correct. After years he started jumping for the Golden Knights then helped establish the Black Daggers. I am not a Marine, I do have the upmost respect for them and worked with them a good bit over the years. I went to SF School with a Force Recon Marine Officer who was attached to the Special Warfare Center.

Sorry I got distracted.

If you feel like you would like to venture into Special Operations, you know that MARSOC is loaded with some knuckle dragging barbarians badasses. However, I spent 20+ in SF and I would not trade it for anything. I traveled the planet, sometimes with a unit sometimes not with a unit.

I lived in South America, worked for the Embassy but was rarely in the Embassy. I loved it. So the bottom line is no matter the service I love special operations.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 9:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:53:14 -0400

There is zero guarantees you will get an 18X contract. I am a senior guidance counselor at the MEPS. If you come over to active duty Army you will be "needs of the Army". Keep that in mind

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Jul 7 at 2017 12:03 AM

SGT Christopher Hayden — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 00:03:31 -0400

Less uniforms to worry about?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 1:01 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 01:01:07 -0400

I've met some Marine NCO's that have switched over to the Army Guard. Different than AD I know but so far, besides the paperwork and uniform issues they seem like they're doing alright. I think things seem a bit relaxed to them, they carry themselves very professionally.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 1:13 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 01:13:50 -0400

What is it you mean by "Special Operations"? Special operations means different things to different branches and even in the Army, that is a hugely broad term. We have MOS's that are only found in special operations, and we have regular MOS's that support special operations.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 8:24 AM

CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:24:31 -0400

In my time, I have known quite a few Marines who became Soldiers. It seemed to be quite a culture shock for them initially, but the majority seem to adapt quick as the skill set translates well. More than half of those I've known went on to retire far beyond the minimum and remain good friends to this day. Good luck with your decision and your education.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 9:06 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 09:06:49 -0400

The Army National Guard has two SFGs. The 19th and 20th Groups. Have you considered those?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 9:38 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 09:38:21 -0400

I was an E5 in the Marines and switched to the Army. I love the Marine Corps and it will always have a place in my heart but the Army has proven to be a better experience.

These are my opinions as I witnessed them first hand. Others may have different views.

Marine Pros: Best uniforms and highest esprit de corps hands down. All Marines, regardless of MOS, are held to the same standard and that standard is rigorously enforced. Marines stress the importance of history.

Army Pros: The Army has much better equipment and gear and much better training facilities. The Army has much more opportunity for schools. I've seen in the comments where people have asked you why you don't join Force Recon. I'm sure you would like to. I would have liked it too when I was in, but the fact of the matter is that in the Marines that kind of thing is much harder to come by. In the Army I got to go to Airborne school, Air Assault school, and Ranger school without even asking for it, it was just standard. Two were because I was an Infantry officer and one because of where I was stationed. I never saw those kinds of opportunities for anyone in the Marines. Where will you be stationed in the Marines? East coast, west coast, or Okinawa right? For the most part anyway. In the Army you've got everything from Korea to Italy. Germany to Kentucky. Alaska to Colorado. New York to Louisiana. The options are abundant. I mentioned training facilities earlier. In the Marines, MOUT training consisted of clearing conex trailers with windows and doors cut out of them. In the Army we had entire cities complete with streets, alleys, government buildings, burning cars and civilians acting as locals. And when I was deployed our unit was right next to a Marine unit and I can tell you that we did the same job day in and day out. Both with expert efficiency. Just with a little different lingo. If you're wanting to do Spec Ops, the Army would be a much more likely place for that to happen in my opinion.

Army Cons: The combat arms side of things (specifically the infantry since that's what I can speak to) is very similar to the Marines in standards and esprit de corps. But once you get out of the combat arms, standards drop. Not trying to offend those not in combat arms, but it's what I saw.

It was hard for me to switch from the Marines to the Army because the Marines do a great job of pounding it into your head that Marines are indestructible and everyone else sucks. Well, that's just not the case. There are numerous combat tested and battle-hardened units in the Army. The history of the Army, like the Marines, is nothing short of awe inspiring.

Good luck with your career. If you have any specific question let me know.

Response by Cpl Armando Mireles made Jul 7 at 2017 10:30 AM

Cpl Armando Mireles — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:30:57 -0400

If the Army is giving you a better deal for your overall goals, I say go for it!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2017 3:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:09:20 -0400

For somebody who is thinking about switching from "The Marines" to the Army, be prepared to be surrounded by level-headed individuals who don't talk about how awesome they are all the time, haha. Just kidding, I have many, many, Marine friends so I'm pretty well informed on how the USMC differs from the Army.
Pros: - More opportunities to advance through more career programs (PSYOPS, SF, Ranger, 160th
SOAR, etc and etc)
- Faster promotions on average (bigger force, more room for advancement)
- Way more opportunities to travel with over 50 Army bases in the continental US alone
- Super cool uniforms
- More money for better equipment and schooling
- Depending on the unit, perhaps a little bit more laid back than what you may be used to
Cons: - Ton of bureaucracy
- Constant uniform changes
- Lots of Creeds that must be memorized just in case you forget how to be an NCO or a soldier
(not sure if this is the same in the USMC)
- Although the Army may be a bit more relaxed, it leaves room for soldiers to become
insubordinate and lack giving the proper military courtesy to their superiors.

Hope this gives you somewhat of an idea. I didn't wanna type forever and bore you with all the reading, haha.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Jul 7 at 2017 3:13 PM

SGT Tony Clifford — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:13:05 -0400

Well, I was a combat engineer in the army. I did have opportunity to serve along side the marines on various FOBs. From what I saw, there isn't too much difference between the two in hierarchy and mission. The biggest difference is that the Army had better gear. That may be different with support MOSs, but you seem to be trying to transition into combat arms so I wouldn't worry about too much culture shock. The biggest difference is that we refer to Sgt, SSG, SFC as Sergeant where you'd say their whole rank. Additionally I'm not sure if the marines do it too, but it's not uncommon to hear 1SG referred to as Top.

Response by SGT Thomas Corn made Jul 7 at 2017 3:52 PM

SGT Thomas Corn — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 15:52:17 -0400

I went into the US navy in 1993 as a Seabee BU. By the time 1996 rolled around my Rate was locked for advancement. Someone had to die or retire for people to advance.
So after my 6 year contract was up I made the Switch to Army. I Enjoyed it so much more. I was a better fit . So I'm go Army!!

Response by SFC Shane Funkhouser made Jul 7 at 2017 5:06 PM

SFC Shane Funkhouser — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 17:06:05 -0400

Although not SF I made the switch from Marine Corps to Army. I will say as long as your going SF you won't notice much difference in attitude and comradarie. I switched because I was in field artillery and wanted to be an M.P. the corps said they would rather loose a fully trained marine corporal then let me switch. In and out call garbage. MP's had openings but artillery was short handed. Anyway I have worked alot with S.F. over my last 4 years and have to say they are a great bunch for the most part. The only real difference is they are alot more laid back. But if your talking about general Army units you will be disappointed for the most part. Very few units display esprit de corps. There is no pride in being a soldier for most of the units. Individually you may have out of a 135 man company 10 or 15 that make being a soldier a point of pride. But also I will say coming from the Corps assuming your a squared away Marine you will generally advance quickly and excel in the Army.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Jul 8 at 2017 5:22 AM

SSgt David Tedrow — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 05:22:57 -0400

Pro - You are still in the military, Con - You are in the Army

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 8 at 2017 5:02 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:02:04 -0400

They have been using the Marines as heavy infantry for so long they have forgotten it's mission. Of course without ships armed with guns time has passed them by. The Army needs it's own infantry and the marines need to be doing their thing

Response by PFC Sheila Harrison made Jul 9 at 2017 9:42 AM

PFC Sheila Harrison — Sun, 09 Jul 2017 09:42:37 -0400

You don't join the military to "finish your degree" you swore an oath to protect our country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't reenlist unless you have your heart in it. Army will deploy you no doubt.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2017 12:16 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:16:23 -0400

i have heard from a former marine i work with on a daily basis that Army is alot less disciplined than the marines anf the camaraderie isnt the same. but if you plan to do SF or rangers im sure it is different

Response by SPC David Fletcher made Aug 3 at 2017 3:52 PM

SPC David Fletcher — Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:52:18 -0400

I would have to agree with you sir. Having been a former infantrymen in the Army I would like to say that there is more schools and opportunity for advancement int the Army.

Response by Cpl Robertto Salcedo made Aug 16 at 2017 6:05 PM

Cpl Robertto Salcedo — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:05:46 -0400

I was in the Marine Corps and just went to Meps to sign my contract I'm leaving to AIT to fort lee in Janurary

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2018 12:56 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 12:56:09 -0400

The thing about being in the Air Guard Security Forces...you end up getting to know people who were in everything else that’s out there as far as active duty combat arms from every branch...they just happened to get done with active duty but still needed a piece of the action once in a while...but from a hotel because they’ve had enough of the relatively rotten living quarters. My experience in talking with these people is that the least complaints and the most pride about their time in service came from the Marines. Yeah, the USAF has the best living facilities and whatever but the morale and pride in the USAF SecFo (in comparison to just about everyone else) is junk, especially when compared to the navy and marines.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2018 3:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:47:38 -0400

Your going to find what your looking for in Ranger Regiment

Response by SSG Louis Manuel Martinez made Jul 4 at 2018 7:17 PM

SSG Louis Manuel Martinez — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:17:39 -0400

Interesting read.

Response by SSgt Chris Francis made Jul 4 at 2018 7:33 PM

SSgt Chris Francis — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:33:42 -0400

"I used to be a Marine" it sounds a lot like "I wanted to be a Marine but"...I'll just stop there

Response by CPT Gary Kirkman made Jul 12 at 2018 9:53 PM

CPT Gary Kirkman — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 21:53:34 -0400

As someone who has served with several former marines who later joined the army, you won’t be happy unless you’re assigned to special ops (SF, Ranger, Airborne, etc). But, you’ll find the esprit de Corps as high in many Army units as it is in the Corps. it’s always about leadership.

Response by SFC Killo Serafin made Jul 15 at 2018 1:34 AM

SFC Killo Serafin — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:34:30 -0400

Nothing against the Marines ! I am glad they are on our side. but I find their uniforms dull and their barracks are depressing they only go ship to some God foresacking Island their bases even in the states are still World War II vintage. where the Army is everywhere in the states and over seas ! nice modern bases , modern barracks , new equipment, weapons and more relaxed ! but still displained. In a Marine Corps you are still living in a world warII base . I know I used to work for the DOD as a civilian and I had a friend in the Corps. one day I went to his barracks to pick up something ! and when I went in with him ! I got depressed at the inside of the room. it was dark and gloomy and that alone told me I sure didn’t want to join the Marine Corps.

Response by MSgt Eric Arvidson made Jul 15 at 2018 5:07 PM

MSgt Eric Arvidson — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:07:33 -0400

The Air Force might be better suited to your skills, if Spec Ops are your thoughts. PJ's and ParaRescue are tough schools though.

Response by Cpl James Warren made Jul 16 at 2018 4:48 PM

Cpl James Warren — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:48:30 -0400

I’ve known a few that made the move from our beloved Corps to the Army. I’ve had a larger number transfer to the Air force for a few reasons. One it’s less stress and more relaxed, which is a nice break from the marine Corps normal. Also, they trained them for jobs they could use outside of the military. If your wanting to make a military career, then go where that focus is best, but if your planning a future beyond the military, the Air Force, for education, isn’t a bad option

Response by SFC Greg Lunsfordi made Jul 17 at 2018 2:55 PM

SFC Greg Lunsfordi — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:55:09 -0400

Total respect for the Marines. But I love my Army Infantry

Response by SSgt William Burke made Jul 22 at 2018 1:27 PM

SSgt William Burke — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:27:49 -0400

My son asked permission to go Army after college. My only suggestion was to go OCS after boot. He was subjected to boot camp lite since he was OCS, but proceeded to Ranger and jump school after. He is proud of his 11.5 years of service, and is now a SORT NY Trooper. He has maximized his service after being badly shot up in Iraq in 2008. I am a proud dad, and a Marine who was raised by a career soldier and served 2 tours in Vietnam as a Marine. My son was raised by a Marine and is one hell of a husband, father and friend to the men and women he serves with.
So what ever you choose, it’s your career, Sgt and you will always be a Marine and your training and military bearing will always be noticed.
Good fortune and Semper Fi!

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 21 at 2019 1:08 AM

SFC George Smith — Sun, 21 Apr 2019 01:08:42 -0400

Most Interesting… Good Info.... Thanks for a Share....

Response by SSG Danny Anderson made Jul 25 at 2019 2:14 PM

SSG Danny Anderson — Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:14:44 -0400

If you'd not getting what you want out of the Corps, jump ship. In my case I got out because I kept getting passed over SSGT. I spent 12 years in the Corps. I was a recruiter and I also took on other jobs that were 2 pay grades above me and I still couldn't get promoted. I got out went straight in the Army, got promoted and was able finish out my 20 for retirement. My advice is if you are considering going in the Army, first check with an Army recruiter to see if they are taking prior service. If they are, start getting your ducks in a row. 30 days before you get out of the Corps get a full blown physical, that way you skip MEPS. Take the paperwork with you to the Army recruiter for your enlistment packet. You may have to retrain in another MOS if your current MOS cannot be transferrable or if it is overstrengh for the army. The Army can still use your ASVAB scores from the Corps. However, if your MOS can be transferable, the Army will let you pick 3 duty stations of your choice. If you need more details send me a reply and I can give you the whole process it's very easy

Response by SSG Roy Zimmerman made Jul 26 at 2019 12:20 PM

SSG Roy Zimmerman — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:20:55 -0400

I switched.Wish I did not do it.More brother hood in Marines.Army when I was in sort of harder to get rank because you are Marine.Might be different now.

Response by Cpl Craig Meaux made Jul 26 at 2019 7:43 PM

Cpl Craig Meaux — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:43:52 -0400

Robert Meaux , my father , was in the 82nd Airborne Division . I was talking to a paratrooper my age named Dean back in the 90s and I compared Infantry skills of Marines to be as good as paratroopers . Dean then asked if I know why paratroopers called Marines " Jarheads ". Dean said Marines have their head screwed on too tight . Marines are too wound up and play too many stupid head games , according to Dean . The Army's elite are effective without being so uptight .

Response by LtCol Manuel "Jay" Delarosa made Jul 26 at 2019 8:59 PM

LtCol Manuel "Jay" Delarosa — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:59:24 -0400

When I was a young Marine infantry NCO, I once mentioned the opportunity of becoming an officer in the Army. One of the LCpls heard me and remarked, “what about Semper Fidelis?” After that, I didn’t give it another thought. A year after finishing a BS and six months after I pinned on SSgt, I was in Quantico for OCS. During TBS, I ran into that same Marine who was now a Sgt. I should of asked if he remembered our brief discussion about the Army.

When it comes down to it, the decision to continue military service all depends on what you want in the long term. Still, I frequently run into other military personnel who either previously served as Marines or served with Marine Corps units; all of them look back with great reverence on their time with the Marine Corps.

I ended up staying in the Marine Corps, starting as a private, retiring as a LtCol. Had a rewarding career, deployed all over the place, worked with other branches and even attended some of their formal schools. In most cases, being an average Marine in the joint environment makes you look like a serious professional when performing along side other service members. In fact, they all look to us for decisiveness and leading by example. I loved serving in those non-Marine Corps environments; I envied their facilities, resources and career opportunities, but I have no regrets at all staying in the Marine Corps.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 27 at 2019 10:40 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:40:39 -0400

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilone

He, I'd seen in the HBO Pacific series, then also read, went the other way, apparently, from the "doggies", as it'd been said on the series, to the Corps...just figured that might interest....

John Basilone - Wikipedia

John Basilone (November 4, 1916 – February 19, 1945) was a United States Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant who was killed in action during World War II. He received the Medal of Honor for heroism above and beyond the call of duty during the Battle for Henderson Field in the Guadalcanal Campaign, and the Navy Cross posthumously for extraordinary heroism during the Battle of Iwo Jima. He was the only enlisted Marine to receive both of these...

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jul 27 at 2019 10:42 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:42:27 -0400

http://www.ocsfoundation.org

And what coursework have you done thus far? Assocs?" Bach? Major? Grades? GPAs? Interests if you were to switch? And look at this site, it's not all-inclusive, however, you'd find it of interest, I think...also, any flight and/or cyber interests at all? STEM field? Non-STEM?

OCS Foundation

SERVICES FOR: Candidates Alumni Officer Families

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Jul 27 at 2019 2:56 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:56:13 -0400

I did not serve in the USMC, but I have observed a few former Marines serve in the Army, some did well, some did not. Here is some advice for former Marines:
1. We, Army lifers, respect your prior service, but don't keep telling us how the Marine Corps is better.
2. Accept the fact that you are now in the Army and some things are different.
3. Be a team player, tactically & technically proficient, and nobody will care if you wear your USMC wooly-pully sweater under your camouflage uniform in the winter time (if you get my meaning).

Response by Cpl Daniel Lee made Jul 27 at 2019 10:00 PM

Cpl Daniel Lee — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 22:00:44 -0400

I made the switch back in 2008 and in my experience, at the time, it seemed like a logical choice... But, looking back at it now, I came to realize that after seeing the "other side," I should've stayed in the Corps. I had a great leadership team when I was in the Corps and wanted to motivate me into going LDO (it would've been a huge accomplishment, had I stayed in the Corps) whereas my experience in the Army wasnt all that great. I mean, sure, I became a supply Sgt. as a Specialist... But, the command team in the unit I was with in the Army had a negative view on Marines who joined the Army. So, while your experience may vary once you go to the Army, I would wish you the best of luck.

Response by MSgt Bill Judge made Aug 1 at 2019 4:05 AM

MSgt Bill Judge — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 04:05:42 -0400

I am a retired Marine Master Sergeant who was lucky enough to work with all the branches of service. Each branch has its mission statement, reason for existence, and perks. One needs to research their goals and make a decision as to what branch is best for them. I had a Corporal that I could not get to re-enlist. He was discharged and we lost track of each other over the years. One day, out of the blue, I received a phone call from my long lost Corporal and he was a retired Navy Commander and CFO for a major corporation. He followed his heart and achieved his life long goal. Anyone can do the same you just need vision.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2019 3:48 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 15:48:33 -0400

Promotion, promotion, promotion. You have a better chance of getting promoted in the Army than the MC, simply due to available positions. By design, the marine corps is a smaller branch ( not meant to be cruel, it just is). Army also has more duty stations. If you want to consider, do not get a break in service. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. We also have Prior Service Enlistment bonuses right now

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Aug 3 at 2019 8:23 PM

1SG Dennis Hicks — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 20:23:39 -0400

This is 2 years old but I can't resist: PROS: Uniform Patch Bling CONS: no more all you can eat Crayons at the mess hall :)

Response by SSG Ramone Bey made Aug 4 at 2019 5:25 PM

SSG Ramone Bey — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 17:25:07 -0400

Marines have the Tough Boot Camp !! Dress Blues can't be matched !!! However Promotions are quicker in The United States Army than in The United States Marines !!!

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Aug 4 at 2019 6:00 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:00:27 -0400

I was a Cpl. in the Marines. I wanted to get married to a Japanese girl on Okinawa. The Corp said If we wanted you to have a wife we would issue you one. I finished my enlistment and joined the Army as a PFC. 13 months later I was a SP/5. That ranked sucked because as I said before, if a NCO was needed you got treated like an NCO. If a PFC or Pvt. was needed you got treated like a Peon. I had it made in the Army. I was so far ahead Military that it was easy for me. Even some officers were not Very Military. In the Marines we were all brothers and stuck together even on Liberty. In the Army it was like a civilian job for too many Soldiers. Volunteers needed to go to the NCO leadership Academy no one wanted to go because you had to live in the barracks you couldn't go home if you were married until the school only 2wks was over. CBR. school no one wanted to go so I went. I was doing the Supply Sgt.s Job as a Spec/4. I was a 2311 ammo tech and I never worked in my MOS. When I got promoted to SP/5 their was a lot of complaints Because I wasn't working in my MOS. The 1st. Sgt. stuck up for me. I was always next man up. In Vietnam I had 3 months left.The VC. had just blown up the Ammo dump. I was offered a reserve 2/LT. commission if I stayed in Vietnam another year. I turned it down. I had been married only 8 months and I wanted to get home. I got discharged. 2 wks later I was working for GM. I stayed their for 35yrs. They paid a lot better than the Army or Marine corp. In combat I would rather be in the Marine corp. Semper fi.

Response by MSG Lawrence Sandlin made Aug 5 at 2019 12:39 AM

MSG Lawrence Sandlin — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:39:04 -0400

I spent time in the US MARINE CORPS from 1975 to 1990. The USMC was my first love too, but I got out after 7 years and joint the USMCR. After 3 years I want back on active duty in the USMC and then got out in 1990, and joined the Wash St National Guard. In time the unit was moved over to the USAR. I was called up twice to go to IRAQ and then go Ft Lewis in Washington State. I kept trying to go active in the regular Army, but the last time I was called up I was able to go active duty as a Master Sergeant. I finish my time on active duty 21 years and retired from active duty as a Master Sergeant in 2014 was a span of years from 1975 to 2014. One would think they would relish retiring from the Army as a Master Sergeant, but I always go back and think of the US MARINE CORPS because the USMC was and will always be my first love.

Response by TSgt Bruce Davis made Aug 6 at 2019 6:45 PM

TSgt Bruce Davis — Tue, 06 Aug 2019 18:45:32 -0400

it all depends on you! if you did an enlistment in the Marine Corps and need to broaden your horizons...then go for it! every service offers different training and experiences. i served 8 years active duty Marine Corps, 5 years Navy Reserves (while i attended and instructed at a community college), then i went back into active duty with the Air Force for 15 years for retirement. now I'm a DoD contractor. it was a wild, roller coaster of a career!

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Aug 7 at 2019 12:38 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 12:38:17 -0400

My TIG as L/Cpl in the Marines probably would've gotten me to at least SSgt. in the Army... ;)
(teasing but kinda serious)

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Aug 7 at 2019 2:53 PM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 14:53:55 -0400

Pro's.... um..... still thinking.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Aug 17 at 2019 5:18 PM

SGT Rafael Morales — Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:18:33 -0400

College is an excellent idea. I got out of the Army on my ETS and the GI Bill helped pay for my college. Years later I joined the reserves and I only regret not joining ROTC and getting a commission. I would suggest get out, go to college, join the NAVY ROTC while you are there and come back with a commission.

Response by COL Hugh Stirts made Sep 24 at 2019 6:26 PM

COL Hugh Stirts — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:26:33 -0400

Based on my very limited knowledge in this arena, from what I have heard from my classmates (USMA) and those I continue to interact with, it appears the Army would probably offer you the best opportunities, deployments, and possibilities for promotion. Of course, I am a tad biased, after spending 28 years in the Army :).

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Sep 25 at 2019 10:29 AM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:29:13 -0400

If you change remember not every one wants to hear how great it was being a lance corporal in the marines when you are a CSM or Colonel in the Army ... I know 2 just like that. If it was so great you should stay.

Response by MSgt Kevin Baird made Sep 25 at 2019 2:02 PM

MSgt Kevin Baird — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:02:13 -0400

It would be better to switch over to the Air Force in my opinion

Response by PO2 Ken Derickson made Oct 20 at 2019 7:31 PM

PO2 Ken Derickson — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:31:05 -0400

Nothing against the Army, but I can't see how that would be a career advancement move, especially if you are in MARSOC. If you are working on degree why not complete and go for something like ONI?

Response by PO2 Ken Derickson made Oct 20 at 2019 7:34 PM

PO2 Ken Derickson — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:34:13 -0400

Nothing against the army, but I can't see how that would be a career advancement, especially if you are in MARSOC. Why not finish you degree and apply for OTC either in the Marines or Navy (ONI might be a fit).

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Oct 21 at 2019 4:57 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 04:57:25 -0400

Do what you feel comfortable with. You are the only one who will have to live with that decision.

Response by LTC Gene Moser made Oct 21 at 2019 12:06 PM

LTC Gene Moser — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:06:32 -0400

I'm retired army field artillery. Ft. Sill trains both Army and MC artillery so I went to OBC and AOC with MC officers. My opinion is the MC has no "average" officers. They are all either very good or veery poor.

Response by SGT Mike Moschkin made Oct 29 at 2019 1:28 AM

SGT Mike Moschkin — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:28:34 -0400

very interesting discussion I had friends branches of service one I can think of went from Army Cavalry unit to the Navy and made highest rank warrant officer ! Good luck with your choice !

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2019 10:39 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:39:54 -0400

A lot of my current friends are former Marines. Many of them now Officers, which I have to saulte and they laugh, and they were forwarded that opprotunity witht he Army. They expressed the same issues when it came to career movement. They just were not getting the movement at the pace they expected. They do miss the Marines and I hear them doing a lot of comparisons but at the end of the day do what makes you happy. I tell this to my Soldiers all the time " no one controls your career but you". They have taken the best part of being a Marine and and made what it is to be a Soldier just that much better.

Response by CWO2 David Bertoldo made Oct 31 at 2019 9:28 AM

CWO2 David Bertoldo — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:28:25 -0400

this comes up every few yrs when people are looking to save money won't and cant happen

Response by LCpl Charles Corsi made Nov 7 at 2019 5:13 AM

LCpl Charles Corsi — Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:13:24 -0500

Your. Leaving My Beloved Corps. Old School 1968. University Of Vietnam. Class of. 69

Response by SSG Darrell Peters made Nov 28 at 2019 5:29 PM

SSG Darrell Peters — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:29:10 -0500

I have served with several Marines who came over to the Army. Just make sure that what you want can be obtained and that it is in your contract. I would ask about a Ranger Contract from the Army Recruiter.

Response by LCpl James Young made Dec 12 at 2019 7:15 PM

LCpl James Young — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:15:49 -0500

When my enlistment was up and I headed home I started to think about what I would do in civilian life. I enjoyed the Marine Corps but in the end I didn't have an MOS that would convert to a civilian job. Looking around at home I considered rejoining but when I started talking to other services I found they had an interest in me and would retrain me. I ended up joining the Air National Guard and they sent me to a Class A school in radio electronics. It was one of the best moves I ever made. I had a great career for several decades, earned a very good living, even made myself very well off and now I'm retired. One thing. I still think of myself as a Marine. Always will I guess. Semper Fi.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Dec 29 at 2019 8:57 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 08:57:46 -0500

I agree with CPT Scott Everett. I spent 11.5 years in the Corps. After receiving my training and going on to Comm School, my options were slim to none. I finally was given a "special assignment" as the Corps called it. I was assigned to the Defense Communications Agency - Europe in Stuttgart Germany. This assignment was taking be beyond my ETS so I had to extend my service to accept the assignment. I had already decided that I needed a change and the Corps was not going to provide it. It is very rare for an enlisted Marine to get an overseas assignment with dependents. I decided to extend to be able to give my family the experience of Europe. While in Germany, I saw what the Army and Air Force were doing for their members. While the Corps does have the highest level of esprit de corps, it did not give the opportunity for growth like the other services. Until I went on special assignment, I had to learn to get along with less on my assignments. When I was with DCA, I saw the advanced equipment both ground and satellite and got a much better understanding of global communications.

I then left the Corps and attended college. Once I was stable in my new job, I looked into joining the reserve side to salvage my military career. Right off the bat I hit a snag. If I joined the Marine Corps reserve, the nearest unit was 130 miles from my home, but they were willing to take me in as an E7. After experiencing a car breakdown on my visit and being stuck over a hundred miles from the house, I began looking elsewhere. The Army Reserve was willing to take me in as an E6 and they were located 45 miles from the house. The Army National Guard was local, but they only offered E5. I tried the Reserves because they were offering a "Try One" program. I was only obligated for one year. I was assigned to a platoon of tank drill instructors and began my training. I did not like the experience and left at the end of the year. I moved on the to Army National Guard. I went ahead and took the reduction to E5 and took a billet 45 miles away because it was in communications. I was not very pleased, but fortunately the Deputy Commander noticed. He was the husband of one of my co-workers which helped since I knew him as a civilian. He asked me if I wanted to change to intelligence. I said yes and was sent off to school the following summer. I was then sent to PLDC and promoted to E6. I was much more satisfied in the new MOS. I spent about half of my drill weekends at Ft. Campbell training with the regular Army at their simulation site. I was sent to Germany on training missions with the regular Army during Reforger Exercises about the time Germany reunited. I was sent to schools at Ft. Bragg. Life in the military became much more interesting. I was a school teacher and the Army National Guard often used up my summer time sending me to places for training 2 or more months a year.

I retired but was able to come back to the active reserve side and do a tour in Iraq. I once again had to take a reduction to E5. This time around I worked as the Operation Sergeant for a gun truck security company. I retired in 2008 at 59 and was promoted back to E7 on my last day for retirement purposes.

I missed the "attitude" of the Corps as a whole, but the opportunities in the Army NG kept the spirit alive,

Response by LTC Robert D Gordon made Jan 1 at 2020 3:16 PM

LTC Robert D Gordon — Wed, 01 Jan 2020 15:16:02 -0500

I equate the two this way, while my first enlistment was on the Corps which turned into 12 years, I got out went college graduate and ask the Corps if I could return as commission officer, thumbs down. I called the corps as my Piss and vinegar days. The Army accepted me, commissioned me in my field and the next 12 years I enjoyed the better training. I call this my management and leadership days. I Graduated from C&GS class of 89.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Jan 2 at 2020 2:12 AM

GySgt Gary Cordeiro — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 02:12:04 -0500

What is your ultimate goal. Civilian education or Military education. If you are male, you won’t be satisfied until you conquer insurmountable challenge. I am not female, so I am unable to speak for them. Spec Ops is a challenge oriented MOS. I would go toward a WO. If not that, screw everybody and accept every challenge so they want to keep you.

Response by 1SG Bill Melen made Jan 5 at 2020 2:40 PM

1SG Bill Melen — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:40:25 -0500

I was in the Corps '66-'70 (Viet Vet - Airwing). I got out to go back home and take over my grandfathers business. In '76 my brother-in-law talked me into joining the VT Army NG as a tanker. Loved it and missed active duty. I gave my business to my brother and went to re-up in the Corps but was over weight. The Army recruiter said he would take me. Had to come into the Army as an E2 and into a Combat Arms MOS because the Army was having problems with VietVet prior service. I got out of the Corps as a CPL and was Spec in Guard. Went to Cav Scout AIT and got a meritorious promotion to PFC. Went to Ft Hood and was assigned to D Troop 2/1 Cav. I went from E2 to E6 in 2 1/2 years in the Army. I retired as a 1SG after 19 years in the Army. Total of 23 yrs active duty. You can do it too. No the Army is no where as strack and proud or disciplined as the Corps but ... The Army has Rangers and SF and yes many fail but being a disciplined Marine you should be able to get in one or both of them along with Airborne.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2020 12:19 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 00:19:38 -0500

I’m speaking from both sides of the coin here. I was an enlisted Gunny, then was selected for Warrant Officer. I retired as a CWO3 in the Marine Corps. Now before my career started I was an Army Brat. I my dad was in the Army from 1949 till 1972. Fought in two wars, Korea and Vietnam as an Infantry man. He got more opportunities in the Army from duty stations to ranks. I was always in awe when I met his Army Soldiers. I’ve seen firsthand how the Army grew to what it’s today. Far from yesterday, but I can tell you that when I enlisted in the Corps in 1972 I didn’t hesitate one bit. My professional opinion to you is do what’s right in your heart. Everything else will fall in place. Good luck to you Sgt Vernon Fulmer

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Jan 9 at 2020 6:24 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 18:24:36 -0500

Check out USAF PARARESCUE...that’s a great place for Former Marines... you can take it over...same with ARMY SPECOPS.

Response by Cpl James Graves made Feb 3 at 2020 1:24 PM

Cpl James Graves — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 13:24:40 -0500

I guess if there is a benefit it would be that the Army has a much bigger budget than the Corps. But that doesn't affect your compensation or other pay elements. They all share the same pay rates and programs for dependents etc. I would never have considered transferring or changing from the Marine Corps to the Army. It was my family for better or worse.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Feb 3 at 2020 9:55 PM

CSM Jim Corrin — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 21:55:06 -0500

If you are an Army reservist, look for Drill Sergeant Unit. Comradery and standards are high. If you are looking at the National Guard the 19TH and 20th (SFG)ABN are options. That may be an option to satisfy that Special Forces lust and allow you to pursue your degree...

Response by MGySgt Juan Mendez made Feb 4 at 2020 9:01 AM

MGySgt Juan Mendez — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:01:36 -0500

You lose your soul.

Response by SFC Stuart Stevens made Feb 6 at 2020 9:54 AM

SFC Stuart Stevens — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:54:47 -0500

I also made the switch under similar conditions, coming from the Marine Corps you will always look at things through a different set of eyes. The Army does weird stuff, sometimes funny sometimes stupid just laugh and move forward. I’ll always be a Marine, and that’s how most viewed me. “ You’re that Marine right” have fun play the game and you’ll do well. I’ll always be a Soldier as well. Just think you can talk junk to two branches of the Military with the service time to back it up. I retired 6 years ago and the money is the same. Good luck

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 12:12 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:12:29 -0500

None. Go Air Force

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Feb 9 at 2020 9:15 PM

LCpl Nicholas Ackerson — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:15:25 -0500

I understand how you feel.
I have many friends he went from the USMC to Army Reserves because USMCR is so much harder to get to. America is a big place, and there are 50 smaller "big places" within it. Many Marine Reservists drive hundreds of miles to get to drill once a month.
It is a costly burden.
When reserve units are activated, many are offered to go regular Army.
In the same, I have seen prior service Army go to Marines and USMCR because they lived near a USMC reserve station.

The Marine Corps is the smallest of our Armed Forces, and because of that there are less entry level and career development opportunities.
Almost anyone who served as a Marine knows this first hand.
Prior Army join the Marines out of romantic notions and family traditions as many Marine recruits do.

Prior Army may witness the USMC "esprit de corps" and like the uniforms, just as our young recruits do. The Marines show amazing proficiency, and that proficiency impresses the Veteran Army Enlisted and Officers alike. The downside is the lack of opportunity and choices.
The Marine training and work conditions can be brutal. A lack of good working equipment and supplies makes it that much worse.

The Army has better equipment and more opportunities for all members, not just the "Creme Dela Creme".

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Feb 14 at 2020 10:16 AM

MSgt Roger Lalik — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:16:48 -0500

uh... let me think over that. Oh yeah, it would be embarrassment and shame...... :) Good luck to you soldier.

Response by CPT Paul Whitmer made Feb 16 at 2020 6:44 PM

CPT Paul Whitmer — Sun, 16 Feb 2020 18:44:36 -0500

Chase the dream brother - I have a close personal friend who went from Navy Seal to Army SF. With the right attitude and experience - you can do anything you set your mind to.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2020 8:24 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:24:06 -0500

Well my input is very limited.. but it also depends on rank.. If you're a cpl or below.. that's were things get different.. in my old active duty army unit, we had a few transfers as cpl and that rank isn't considered as anything to the army.. Sgt or above you're gonna do awesome anything lower.. you're gonna spend a lot of time in the platoon acts office getting chewed on for being a dick lol

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2020 2:29 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:29:37 -0500

LAV/LAR is somewhat similar to Armor/Scouts in Army. MSG Tom Earley on here could give you the skinny. Considered a lateral move in Corps? You worked hard to be a Sgt, just sayin. Small Crafts even, UAVs, no end to challenges in the Corps. Keep your rank. Depends on needs of the Corps and your GT.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 6:45 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:45:15 -0500

I've heard and read of a few Marines In the past 50 years, such as Oliver North, that seem to think their war in Vietnam was, in some way or another, more difficult or dangerous, implying their sacrifice was greater. As if being killed by a NVA troop was in someway more painful than being killed by a VC. Marines are like Jesuits....they’re not happy unless they’re miserable. Their bitch that their equipment is inferior, their uniforms superb, as is their espirit des corps. I was raised by a Captain, USMC, Okinawa. When it became obvious I was to serve, I was the only one of about 6 who showed up at the USMC recruiting office in 1967. My father said, “ They’ll make you cannon fodder!” My favorite scene in Bridge on the River Kwai Is when William Holden is pressured into returning to the POW camp from which he’s just escaped . Always the reluctant hero, he lambasts Major Jack Hawkins for his love of war and killing more so than his love of living! Duty, honor, country, where less than 2% serve, the mission is unclear and endless, and the appreciation is token is hardly inspirational.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Mar 8 at 2020 11:16 PM

CPT Wayne Price — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 23:16:53 -0400

It is an individual issue that only you can answer. Where do you feel you can best serve and where do you feel enabled to do your best and feel satisfied and fulfilled. You might visit with a chaplain or a counselor or one who has done what you are considering to do. If married, definitely discuss with your spouse. CPT Wayne Price

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Mar 9 at 2020 1:25 PM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 13:25:32 -0400

For me it was USAF, USA, then USN and I was an FMF Marine Corps regs Corpsman. I learned that we have two military teams in the US: the AF/Army team and the Navy/Marine Corps team. The difference? In the Army Air Force team, if you can't find a regulation saying you can then it's against regulations. In The Corps Navy team, if you can't find a regulation saying you can't then by regulation you can.

Response by SGT George Stephens made Mar 10 at 2020 7:27 PM

SGT George Stephens — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:27:40 -0400

Pro's - you keep your insurance, rank system is similar to an extent, PT test is less demanding that the Marines, if you're an 03 series, you can keep it simple in the 11B/11C/11A/18X series or even 19D. You have one combat uniform and one dress uniform and a simple PT uniform (there is no summer or winter regulation, only the commander can deem that), you can pick a MOS and have a high chance of getting it.

Con - your Marine Corp dress blues are actually damn good looking vs the army dress blues. I still love the dress greens though! As a Marine, you'll see the army isn't like the Marines as far as how we do things and carry ourselves. We do it with pride and honor but you Marines set the bar. Combat training isn't close to Marines. That's about all i can think of knowing plenty of Marines who went Army then decided to go back to the Marines.

You'll make the best decision for yourself, Devil Dog.

As an 11B myself, I'd be honored serving with a Marine.

Response by CW3 Jere Hodges made Mar 10 at 2020 7:35 PM

CW3 Jere Hodges — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:35:47 -0400

Let me first say that my service was back in the 50's to mid 70's so my experience might not be typical now. I was discharged from the Marines as SGT E5. Almost a year later I decided to go back active duty (I had joined a USMCR unit) but the Corps wanted me to go back to E3. I enlisted in the Army as E4 and immediately was stationed in the Canal Zone. My Marine Corps background was the primary reason I was able to advance to E7 before accepting appointment as Warrant Officer only 39 months after joining the Army. This was during the Vietnam war so things were different back then but the Army offered me more opportunity.

Response by SPC Louie Campagna made Mar 15 at 2020 10:52 AM

SPC Louie Campagna — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 10:52:06 -0400

Putting aside esprit de corps, each service drums into you, you have to do what is best for you. My experience as a draftee was far different from someone who actually volunteers. Honestly, I could not wait to get out of the Army. At some point you will retire. We all have a shelf life in or out of service. You will need skills for a civilian life if you plan to keep on working.

What do you want in 15 or 25 years??? It does not always work out as planned or wished for. My advice is, grab opportunity as it presents it self. The "opportunity" may not be what you want at that time. However, it could be the best chance in the long run, i.e., at the finish line.

Response by PO2 Steven Russell made Mar 19 at 2020 1:30 PM

PO2 Steven Russell — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:30:13 -0400

My dad was a Master Sargent, then became Warrant Officer (WO5) in the Corps and wanted into the Limited Duty Officer Program. He had to go before and pass a board of NCO's and officers to get into the program. Another "Gunny" on the board asked him why in the world, as a Warrant Officer, he would want to get into the LDO program. My dad answered, "I can't make Commandant from here." He passed. After 33 years in the Corps and having served in WWII, Korea and in Vietnam he retired a Captain. I still have his swagger stick.

Response by LCpl Charles Stacker made Mar 20 at 2020 1:35 AM

LCpl Charles Stacker — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 01:35:51 -0400

go army for an extra hour of sleep

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Mar 20 at 2020 6:42 AM

SGT Michael Hearn — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 06:42:52 -0400

Hello, Soldier, I watched the Marines march at Redstone Arsenal and I watched the Army march I have to admit The Marines were impressive more precision.

Response by LTC Lee Bouchard made Mar 20 at 2020 11:23 AM

LTC Lee Bouchard — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:23:15 -0400

There are pros and cons to both and many opinions based on personal experience.
The Marines are a great service and have much to be proud of. They play a major role
in combat operations.
However, for personal growth, promotions and development the Army has more to offer.
They have more schools, more and better equipment, push education at all levels, very good
specialized training and generally faster promotion rates. Also easier to transfer or change
your MOS. Because the Army is a much larger force there are more career opportunities.

Response by SSG James Dolen made Mar 28 at 2020 8:50 AM

SSG James Dolen — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 08:50:40 -0400

You will find it easier to get promoted in the Army. It has much more turnover than the Marine Corps and is far larger. If you are married there are more assignments where you can take your family or at least there used to be. I had a friend in Germany who got out of the Corps because he was stuck at E-5. He stayed out for a long time but joined the Army when he found out he could take his family to Germany. He quickly made E-6. This was in a field artillery target acquisition battery which was competent but where the morale wasn't very good and the discipline was spotty. Esprit de corps was almost non-existent. All this frustrated him quite a bit because he was used to the high discipline, morale and esprit de corps of the Marines. It might be better for you to go to airborne school right away. That way you would get a follow up assignment to a more elite unit where the standards are more like the Marine Corps.

Response by LCpl Mike Welsch made Apr 8 at 2020 10:06 PM

LCpl Mike Welsch — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 22:06:23 -0400

i love the Marines , i hope they never do that.. Semper Fi

Response by PO1 John Hudson made May 6 at 2020 4:15 PM

PO1 John Hudson — Wed, 06 May 2020 16:15:16 -0400

As a Army, Coast Guard, Marine Reserve, Coast Guard retiree do whatever it takes to find your place.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2020 3:25 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 May 2020 15:25:10 -0400

from my perspective there was much more camaraderie and tradition in the Marine Corps but can also be limiting career wise. I found the Army let’s you have a little more control over your career for better or worse. Things revolve much more around the unit than the “fleet”. There is a difference in standards but it also allows you to stand out more. And if this makes any sense, I’ve found the army less of a “brotherhood” but I have a lot more brothers, and sisters too.

Response by LTC Michael Sternfeld made May 21 at 2020 10:51 PM

LTC Michael Sternfeld — Thu, 21 May 2020 22:51:02 -0400

In my humble opinion there is one question you must ask yourself; When you retire what rank do you hope to be? In other words do you want to retire as a senior NCO or a mid-grade officer (MAJ or LTC) or do you want to stay in the USMC where perhaps you have a comfort zone. Also the Army has more units and thus more "slots" for both regular and "special" schools. Many years ago the Navy Reserve up on Portland, ME was giving me half-hearted answers about the potential for a career if I transferred in. At the time I was a 2LT with 3 years enlisted time and just under 2 as an officer. I promptly found a USAR unit and never looked back. That enlisted time included 12 months in Vietnam. Fast forward to 2006. I retired from the Army as an LTC and a veteran of 2 other conflicts, Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. I had a unique career that also included 6 years in a USAR MOBDES slot at PACOM in Honolulu. I also was willing (and able...but that's another story) to take off from my civilian career and aggressively advance my USAR career. I went to as many active duty "schools" as possible and stayed tuned in with the career advisory system that existed at the time no matter if I was MODES or a drilling reservist.

Response by PFC Bobby Smith made May 24 at 2020 6:13 PM

PFC Bobby Smith — Sun, 24 May 2020 18:13:50 -0400

I have not switched, but the Army was great for me

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jun 8 at 2020 2:35 AM

SSG Eric Blue — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 02:35:09 -0400

Just my opinion here: if you aren't happy and fulfilled in the job you currently occupy in the Marine Corps, it may very well be time for you to go. If leaving means doing something better in another branch of service, GO FOR IT! You've done something a number of people would never dare; you became a Marine! And NO ONE can ever take that away from you! If you cross over, though, be prepared to be flexible and have thick skin. Best of luck, amigo.

Response by MAJ John Lavin made Jun 8 at 2020 10:14 PM

MAJ John Lavin — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 22:14:26 -0400

I always thought that the size of the duffle bag Marines lug around has to be 5 or 6 times as big as the duffle bag Army Soldiers lug around simply because Marines have to haul around 20 or 30 more different uniforms and uniform variations than Army Soldiers do. It blew my mind when I served with Marines. Every day they came to work in a different uniform! Blue ones, green ones, blue and green ones, kakai and blue ones, all kakai ones. And on and on it went. So join the Army, Marine! Ditch the “What do I wear to work today” blues you Marines have every day you spend in the Corps. In the Army we know what we wear to work every day when we get out of bed. We proudly don the same uniform we wore to work yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day............

Response by SGT Tomas Lopez made Jun 11 at 2020 1:42 AM

SGT Tomas Lopez — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:42:37 -0400

I can only suggest that if you get out of the military and become an IT technician you can apply to work with Special Operations who hire IT guys to join them on missions just-food for thought.

Response by PO2 Lon Hebert made Jun 11 at 2020 10:08 AM

PO2 Lon Hebert — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:08:23 -0400

my son was a sgt in the marines from 2002 to 2010 he got out and in 2018 he went into the army but instead of him going back to 0621 they wanted to make him MTO. But the last week of boot camp he hurt his right shoulder. during an MRI he found out it was cause of carrying the radio etc. he a given an honorable. I asked where is you army stuff. he goes what I did not give to good will the rest is trash. he goes dad I am marine like you are a sailor.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Jun 11 at 2020 3:27 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:27:40 -0400

Whatever your desire is , loving military life is not for all people . And no matter what branch you chose there has to be a commitment giving yourself to being the very best .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2020 1:41 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:41:37 -0400

I was a CH-53E Airframe Mechanic for the Screw Crew on the West Coast.

I got out and regretted it a little, wanted to go MARSOC/RECON route but I had friends that were Air Crew and significantly more qualified ground pounders than me get dropped so that dampened the idea. Couldn’t see myself as a careerist in my MOS. I would say I “peered” myself out long before anyone else did.

Got out and lived in a van for almost 2 years, met my wife got married and wanted to re-enlist. Marines said 9 months Army said 9 days, I got a few Letters of Recommendation to keep Sergeant and joined the Army with the pitiful MOS of 19D.

Ended up in a pretty cool atmosphere however, RECON Platoon in an Infantry Battalion in Fairbanks, Alaska. Squad Leader was a 1BAT Marine with 8 years (now) in the Army.

I’m now a SSG with a few schools under my belt and heading to Ft. Lewis. I have definitely been (given) more valuable schools in the Army.

Response by SP5 Liston Matthews made Jun 15 at 2020 8:58 AM

SP5 Liston Matthews — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:58:16 -0400

I went from AF to Army. I had good and bad experiences with both. AF generally more family friendly, but that was forty years ago.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2020 10:11 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 10:11:59 -0400

I was enlisted in the Marine Corps (0311/0341) and would have pursued my Officer career with them, but I was told I was too old. The Army gave me the opportunity both as enlisted and officer (11B,11C, 11M, 25A, and 38A) I am now a MAJ(P). Opportunities wise, the Army offers so much more you can't really compare. All Special Ops SF, CA, PSYOP, IO, and Ranger) are open to anyone who qualifies and is willing to go through selection. Depending on your uint, you will have to go to Airborne School, learn another language, and have the opportunity to be stationed overseas. And like CPT Everett stated the Sprit de Corps, Dress Blues, and Standards are highest in the Marines unless you come to the 82nd Airborne, 75th Rangers, and 101st Airborne. Outside those units and Combat Arms, it is unfortunate to say, but the standard becomes subjective.
CONS: Deployments are longer, a lot longer and we deploy often. Customs and courtesies are not as strictly enforced as in the Corps.
In all, this is your decision and you have to evaluate it in terms of what is best for you, your career and your family. I am happy with my decision and love every opportunity the Army has given me. The Marine Corps will always hold a special place in my heart, but the Army has given me the life and opportunities to better my self and my family. Good luck to you, Semper Fi! MAJ (P) Nunez

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Jun 15 at 2020 5:02 PM

CPT Wayne Price — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:02:33 -0400

If you love the Marine Corps stay in the Corps. WaynePrice

Response by ChrisBrodbeck Brodbeck made Jun 15 at 2020 5:10 PM

ChrisBrodbeck Brodbeck — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:10:59 -0400

Interesting you should ask, I only know from a GI brat perspective, but Dad was a CCMSGT in the Air Force. In his earlier career, he was A/F recruiting and good at that. When he got out, he went to work for the Army as (yup) a recruiter. He was being paid GS payment and I think he was around a GS 6 or so. Just weird watching Dad go to work in army uni's! He loved it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2020 2:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:32:52 -0400

Good move for you SGT Fulmer. As of next year the US Marines are getting rid of their armor units. With your specialty or otherwise similar job skill, it's transferrable to the US Army. I see a lot of former Marines in the National Guard also.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jul 17 at 2020 5:18 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:18:35 -0400

No matter which branch you choose to serve with, you will ALWAYS be a Marine. That having been said, go where he money is. My MOS was so damned top heavy and so damn small, (there was only ONE Electronic Warfare Squadron in the whole of the Marine Corps) that staying in was going to keep me from reaching Staff NCO until I had damn near 12 of more years TIS. That was taking into account 2 meritorious promotions. No lateral moves because of cost of training. Becoming a Navy "retread" was not for me. You seem to have an opportunity to move into the same or similar billet by going to the Army. Likely you can gain a stripe just by enlisting. Remember this. Retirement pay is based on rank. Civil service jobs abound and your TIS will AUTOMATICALLY count as TIS for whichever job you take. If you retard out with 20 yrs. TIS, you will start on day one with 20 yrs. in your field. Another 10 yrs. in civil service and you can retire from that too. With 30 yr. pension. Once a Marine Always a Marine. Go Army.

Response by LtCol Don Kaag made Jul 26 at 2020 7:09 PM

LtCol Don Kaag — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:09:45 -0400

I was born a Marine...my Dad, a WWII Marine was fighting on Saipan when I was born. He had 2 years of college prior to WWII and after Saipan, a SSgt., he was sent back to OCS and commissioned. After the War he finished his college degree and went career. Retired a major. I joined the Corps after high school made sergeant in 4 years, went inactive, did college on the G.I. Bill, and reentered the Marines as an officer via OCS, a "mustang", and went 1802, a Tank Officer. The Corps is very limited for Armor types...it has only one tank battalion per division, and most of the time the individual platoons are farmed out to the grunts, so even company-level operations are rare. I got sent to Barracks duty and other assignments, ended up in a divorce, got off of active duty, and moved to western Montana, where I was convinced to switch Services and take command of a National Guard Armor Company. I commanded for 3.5 years, did very well, and the Senior Army Advisor for the State recommended that I go on Army active duty to finish my career. I did so, and after finishing Armor Officers' Advanced School I got orders to the 1st Armored Division in southern Germany during the Cold War. My experience as an Army Army officer is similar to others who have made the transition and commented earlier. Combat units in the Army are different than admin units, and the quality and esprit of the troops are too. Troops are troops...if they are firmly-led, treated fairly and held to high standards soldiers will get the job done. My soldiers in Germany were not Marines, but they were damned fine Armored soldiers and I was proud to command them, and would have taken them to war if the balloon went up, and they would have done well. My heart will always belong to the Marine Corps, but I am proud also of my Army Armor service. I retired on 22 years as a lieutenant colonel.

Response by SSG Dan Willmont made Aug 7 at 2020 7:57 PM

SSG Dan Willmont — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 19:57:38 -0400

Pro: You are out of the Marine Corps.
Con: You are in the Army.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 10:42 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:42:10 -0400

Do it. I left the Marine Corps after a 3 year hitch and 13 months in VN as a 2533 radio operator assigned to an Infantry battalion. Results - 26 months in grade as a L/Cpl and wanting to do something more beneficial career wise. During my exit interview the Commanding Officer offered my CPL if I re-enlisted for six (6) years. While keeping a straight face I regretfully declined and processed out. After discharge, I visited the Army recruiter and discussed career possibilities requesting airborne school and and assignment for Viet Nam, with a long range view of eventually applying for Special Forces training. I took a reduction in rand from E3 to E2. After arriving in VN I volunteered for a Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Company and was accepted. Made E-5 within 12 months. Returned toFt Bragg, passed the required tests for SF consideration and was assigned a date for reporting to Camp McCall for SF Tng (Feb 1972). Graduated, assigned to Teams, attended additional training/schools, college courses on my time, Associates and Bachelors degree and most of all a professional, caring professional environment with supporting chain of command, great team members, exciting duty and travel, and opportunities. Best time of my life! Promoted to E7 and retired after 21 years with the Army as a CW3 with Masters Degree.
Switching from MARINE to ARMY was absolutely the best career move for me.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Aug 9 at 2020 12:27 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 12:27:56 -0400

My time in service I worked with Marines a couple of times. I can tell you Marines are nuts. In a good way. They rely more on personnel to get job done while other services use alot more technology. My brother had a small business and hired a young man. In first 5 minutes I asked him how long he servec in the Crotch. He knew exaxtly what I meant and had served in the Corps. The term once a Marine always a Marine is real and why the Corps is what they are.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 7:37 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 19:37:06 -0400

Do it!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2020 9:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:21:08 -0400

The Army has a room big enough for the diversity. The experience you get will be mostly up to you, and the attitude you bring. I spent my first four in the Corps, but I had to make a few adjustments. The advice I would give is this: Keep your "Toolbox" to the side, as you integrate and learn the Army way, keep the tools that work and stow the ones that don't.

Response by LtCol George Carlson made Aug 13 at 2020 12:27 AM

LtCol George Carlson — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:27:57 -0400

Simple answer: We are ultimately one team. Individuals have to find where they contribute to that team in the best way. We all have our pros and cons but how those weigh out is for each individual to decide. Love what was good both about where you were and where you are. Try to expand those good things wherever you are. As an NROTC instructor, my Drill Team "adopted" an AFROTC team that had no support from their staff. My midshipmen (and our supporters) worked their tails off to make that AFROTC team the best they could be. That's what it is all about whether at the drill team level or combat.

Response by SSG Harper Peterson made Aug 13 at 2020 9:48 PM

SSG Harper Peterson — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 21:48:53 -0400

While this is an old post, it just popped up in my email as of late, i'll chime in. I was a hard chargin' Marine Corps Sergeant, Military Police (yeah yeah yeah lol). I got out to be closer to my daughter who lived with her mother and was using the 'he can come see you anytime he wants to but doesn't want to see you i guess' bullshit. So I got out at 9 years active. I missed the camaraderie we that we as prior service all do. The local reserve unit was fixin to deploy so that would defeat my purpose of trying to stay close to her. I looked at the Air Force Reserve, Air Guard and such all avoiding anything army. Recruiters were dragging their feet so I thought i'd try the Army Guard. Bam! I'm in. 50% VA Disability and all (which wasn't allowed, in any reserve component i found out later).
I went in as 25B (Computer repair blah blah blah). I just wanted to learn something else because my knees were screwed up and my hearing was bad (had hearing aids). My unit refused to send me to a school because 'all you Marines do it join, go to school then leave. I'm not wasting money on you guys anymore' excuse. So after a year, i couldn't reenlist with a bonus because i wasn't 25B mos qualled, yet, so i transferred to the MP detachment. Reenlisted as a 31B for 6 years, got a bonus. They really needed MPs so it worked out for me.
After a few months I'm pulled into the classroom (thinking i'm getting ready to be beaten down or something) every Staff Sergeant(except MPs) in the Company is in this room, and begins to lecture me on why I need to slow down and stop acting like a Marine and getting things done so fast because I'm making them all look back (I shit you not). I got up from my chair and as I walked out I said "not my problem you guys are slow at your jobs."

So we begin deployment training, ship out to Wisconsin for additional training prior to heading to Iraq. I get there, Docs are looking over everyone's records and they come to mine. Doc asks 'how'd you get here?' I said "a plane." After he chuckled a bit, he told me anyone with 30% or more disability is disqualified from joining a reserve component. So I was slated to be 'refrad' (sent home). My unit started accusing me of trying to get out of deploying and all this crap. Which wasn't true at all, i was looking forward to all the pay (I had plans for a new muscle car when i got back!). So I got sent back, then for the next 2+ years they tried to find ways to get me kicked out of the Guard. They couldn't because my knees and hearing were part of my enlistment. So they were eventually successful at medically retiring me at 14.5 years of active duty time (I have a reserve retirement, starts when i hit 60). Here's the real kicker, want to know what my official reason for medical retirement is? I can't take a flu shot.
So, I'm going to guess that maybe not all units are like this, but that is my personal experience in the army. We had several Marines come in for a 'Try one' year and said 'hell no!' and got back out. It was bullshit, excuses for everything. I caught the fulltime admin SSG telling people what my disabilities were and how she thought it was bullshit and I was faking it. I reported her to the unit for a violation of HIIPA and they refused to do anything about it. Not a single word of this is made up or fabricated to enhance my story. When it came time for me to be retired, I was called to admin (G1 as I was working my civil service job near there) and told to sign this paper that I was going to be processed for medical retirement. I signed, the lady said, 'ok, you're retired.' i went back to work, and told my SFC (E7) 'well, i guess i come in tomorrow in civies.' he said that it takes weeks and sometimes months to process for retirement. He went to G1 to follow up, he came back and asked 'who'd you piss off?' I was retired in 3 hours. Then, because my civil service job relied on me being in uniform, I was medically retired from civil service.
People ask me what rank i made it to in the military, i tell them Sergeant in the Marines. I wouldn't put, recommend or even suggest anyone go to the Army Guard after the Marines. Some of you have better, happier stories and i'm glad. I had to ask for 6 months to get a retirement certificate and my flag. No, i didn't even get shout out at a formation or anything. Most people (enlisted) get a Meritorious Service Medal for all their years of faithful service, a thank you, spouse get a certificate thanking them for putting up with all the military crap over the years. Nothing. Outside of my retiree id card saying Army and I'm a Staff Sergeant, I only claim Sergeant of Marine.
Oh, and after reading all this again, I bet a lot of you are thinking 'well if he has this attitude I can see why,' I never, not once, had a negative attitude while in uniform at the unit. Professional and courteous to all, senior and junior.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Sep 7 at 2020 4:40 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:40:59 -0400

Reach for your dreams and do what your heart say's to do. Always do right and serve with honor, wherever and whatever you do. If your career is the service (any branch), then serve as best you can with full dedication. No other way will do.. JP

Response by SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) made Sep 10 at 2020 9:05 AM

SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:05:04 -0400

I'm Army all the way. Would have never considered switching to any other branch. Duty, Honor, Country

Response by SFC Brian Ewing made Sep 11 at 2020 8:47 PM

SFC Brian Ewing — Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:47:46 -0400

Best and most realistic response I've ever read on this from any former Marine.
I trained with Corp often and had numerous Marines come over from the Cotps and relished their time in the Army much moreso for the same reasons the gtest Captain stated.
Salute!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2020 2:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 02:23:17 -0400

I changed over from the Marines to the Army after 8 years. I would have got out after 4 years but I was stationed Iwakuni, Japan and was guaranteed a year extension there. I was having too much fun to leave.

Being 8 years prior active duty marine, the Army recruiters were eager to snag me up. I didn't have to go through Army basic so it was a very quick and easy.

Here are some distinct differences between the Marines and Army

-NCO responsibilities / Subordinate discipline:
Being an E5 or E6 in the Marines comes with a huge amount of responsibility. But the E1 though E4 Marines were mostly disciplined and on auto pilot. Didn't have to provide much baby sitting. If you tell a Marine to climb a tree and bite off a branch and bring it to you, there's good chance he/she will do it. Even if its a small branch.

Being an E5 or E6 in the Army didn't come with too much responsibility. But the E1 though E4 Soldiers are filled with troublemakers galore. So therefore Army NCOs end up being overpaid baby sitters. Taking care of Soldiers in the Army is like a whole extra MOS that will sometimes take more management and time than your primary MOS. The discipline and training doctrine is just very "different" in Army basic.

-Dutiy stations and Deployments:

The Marines has the fewest large duty stations but the best deployment locations.
The Army has large duty stations all over the world but the worst deployment locations.

In the Marines I went to all kinds of countries some good some bad. If you get stationed in Japan and don't end up in Australia, Thailand, or Philippines something went wrong. But of course I spent a couple deployments in Afghanistan as well while I was stationed stateside.

In the Army When someone says "deployment" its 95% chance you will being going to the sand box (although this changed recently with Operation Atlantic Resolve and Korea rotations).

-PT tests:

The Marine PT test is really easy to pass but really difficult to max out.
The Army PT test is easier to max out but more difficult to pass.

*update* The Marines did change their standards a bit last year. And the Army is supposed to implement a new PT test in October 2020.

-Dining Facilities:
They are better in the Army. Enough said.

-Barracks clean up:
In the Army the 1SG calls for a formation at 1800 for all soldiers in the barracks to clean it. This will happen MAYBE once a month. When I was stationed in Fort Hood it happened once during the 9 months I lived in the barracks

In the Marines EVERY Monday (or Thursday) you whole day is shot. Because at 1800 your apointed place of duty is at the barracks cleaning it thoroughly.

-College:
In the Marines college is just not really a thing. I can count on one hand of how many Marines obtained a degree on active duty (or ever enrolled in college at all). On a few occasions some Marines had to dis-enroll due to deployments or field ops.

In the Army there are countless Soldiers and NCOs that had degrees and were enrolled in college. For Hood even has the Central Texas College campus on base.

*update* with the prevalence of online college, it has made it easier for both branches.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Sep 23 at 2020 10:35 AM

Col Jonathan Brazee — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:35:28 -0400

I was Navy for four years before taking my commission in the Corps. I never regretted it. And while I was never a soldier, I have worked with the Army throughout my career.

Army schools are amazing. I went to jump school at Benning (and Navy dive school), then half-a-dozen other schools over my career. I served with Army SF in North Carolina (and SEALS many times). I had an Army boss at the Pentagon and another at PACOM. The single officer who affected me the most in my professional development was an SF battalion commander.

If you're looking for skills that you can use in a civilian job, the Army is the way to go. And if you're just gung ho and want to serve, then there are plenty of units that have the esprit de corps that can scratch that itch. But no one service, not the Army, not the Royal Marines, not anyone, has the service-wide pride and esprit de corps as the Marines. A pay clerk has the same spirit and pride as a Raider.

There are pros and cons with both services, but it really boils down to what you want out of it. For me, the only choice was the Corps. For others, the choice is the Army, hands down.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Oct 12 at 2020 9:09 PM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:09:44 -0400

Honestly, you need to communicate your concerns with you career advisor, you first sergeant, or up your chain of command. If you're looking for special forces, look within your service for those things like MARSOC, Marine Sniper, or Force Recon. I don't know if there are Marines in the SEALS. The thing is, you need to research what is available, what you need to do to apply and be eligible, and then shoot for that standard and opportunity.

Changing a military branch just to chase a beret is just the wrong thing to do. I don't know how many times, I knew of individuals who switched services to try and earn jump wings, get hurt or something else disqualifying and then end up wasting four years as a clerk typist or cook -- sometimes evening leaving the new service in disgrace.

I've served with Marines and former Marines who chose to pursue Air Force careers. The thing is, they're sill Marines in every way and that background tends to positively rub off on others, making everyone else that much better, but you are doing a disservice to your self if you don't try to achieve those elite forces options already available to you first.

Response by Cpl Archie H. made Oct 20 at 2020 4:21 PM

Cpl Archie H. — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 16:21:36 -0400

If you are looking for a sleepy career the Army is better. Having served in the Marine Corps in Vietnam as a grunt along the DMZ, and as a civilian in Germany at the end of the "Cold War" near Nuremberg; knowing many US Army soldiers. The Marines are more inclined to attract young idealists who love the comradeship of fellow Marines and the warrior ethos. Even the rear echelon types in the Marines are macho. The Army it seems to me attracts the carrier minded Americans more often than the Marine Corps. There without a doubt Army idealists in units like what I saw in the "Cold War ’ Army’s 2nd ACR in Nuremberg, but as a whole most are in the Army I knew are serving in the US Army as a career. Which in itself is not bad.

Response by LTC Michael Garrison made Nov 11 at 2020 8:15 AM

LTC Michael Garrison — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:15:49 -0500

Depending on your MOS, the Army has a greater range of opportunities for advancement as it is a much larger organization with more positions to fill. There is no other organization like the Marine Corps for dedication and motivation but if you are in Armor for instance, there are so few units that growth can be stymied and many Marines either transfer or change MOS. That is just one example. I am still proud to have been a Marine, but I would not have reached my career goals there.

Response by Robert Murray made Nov 12 at 2020 4:44 PM

Robert Murray — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:44:30 -0500

A classmate of mine at The Citadel was an E-4 in the USMC and was a tank crew member. When he went for a commission, the Marines were unable to guarantee him a tank commander slot. He talked the Army, and they were able to write into his contract that he could remain in tanks. So, with the Army being a much larger organization, they have better MOS availability if you are looking for something specific.

Response by SSG Lynn Skocdopole made Nov 13 at 2020 6:24 PM

SSG Lynn Skocdopole — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:24:44 -0500

once a Marine always a Marine. as a senior sgt in the Army I ran across many Marines in the runt
other soldierly uniform. You are certainly welcome n the US Army. your TIS will transfer and the rank will be reduced temporarily but all promotion boards will come quick and you will pass easily enuff
some new leadership courses are online as well as required attendance. don't discard the camoflage uniforms until you make E5 again. At that time some army clothing store may make a trade. Good luck in your career marine

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 13 at 2020 6:45 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:45:14 -0500

I'm going to quote myself from another thread...

Response by Maj Martin Smith made Nov 14 at 2020 8:27 AM

Maj Martin Smith — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 08:27:42 -0500

Know a guy who was an E5 or 6 in the marines and joined NJANG. Within a year he was fulltime, had a college degree and was off to OTS. Stayed as a security type and was very 'squared away'. In ten years he was an O-6 out in AZ.

Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Nov 17 at 2020 8:11 PM

SFC R. Lee Linebarger — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 20:11:40 -0500

Faster promotions.

Response by SFC Ken Owens made Dec 6 at 2020 1:03 PM

SFC Ken Owens — Sun, 06 Dec 2020 13:03:28 -0500

More pros than cons but the worst for me was leaving the Army for the Marine Corps going from E5 to E2. I paid a big price to become a Marine, literally. I eventually went back to the Army and glad to be Both. Semper Fi n Hooah

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Dec 23 at 2020 2:33 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 14:33:16 -0500

What is your major? Are looking to apply your education in the Military? Review the positions of interest to you. All branches of Service have good and bad characteristics. Select which can provide experience with your degree. Good luck!

Response by CCMSgt Steven Grant made Dec 24 at 2020 6:31 AM

CCMSgt Steven Grant — Thu, 24 Dec 2020 06:31:50 -0500

It's called taking a lateral. The corps is great but you can lateral out to FBI support services without a degree. So, you can move around in the federal services, even out to an arsenal like Watervliet arsenal as long as you do it within 30 days. Arsenal apprentices start around 27.50 hour

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Dec 28 at 2020 5:45 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:45:50 -0500

There are none. The decision on which service to join is a personal one based on numerous factors.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2020 9:02 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 21:02:37 -0500

We love former Marines in the Army, but you are going from the frying pan to the fire :) Please join us! We might offer some better advancement opportunities simply because we are a larger service.

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Dec 29 at 2020 9:27 AM

SGT Ron Egan — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 09:27:34 -0500

Once a Marine, always a Marine, will no longer apply. Too much butt hurt from the Corps.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 12:41 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:41:37 -0500

I've been Army since 1985 but have served with people in all branches. The Marines are generally a great bunch of people who usually take pretty good care of each other, as long as you pull your weight. The Army is much larger and more impersonal, except maybe SF Groups and Ranger Regiment. The biggest problem with the Corps is the lack of opportunity for advancement. There are a lot of former Marines but very few retired Marines. Minimum full retirement rank is E-6 in all services which is extremely difficult to make in the Corps. My nephew is getting out after 4 years as a corporal when I made E-5 in the Army under 4 years. I could have made it in 3 had I went infantry from the beginning. Enlisted typically retire at E-7 to E-8 in the Army whereas most Marines retire at E-6 to E-7. The same is true for officers with most Army officers retiring at least one grade higher than Marines with the same time in service. Marines have better overseas duty locations but few here in CONUS while most places the Army goes pretty well suck. It's also easier to become an Army officer than a Marine officer if you ever want to go that route. Good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 5:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:05:03 -0500

Did you ever switch over?

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Jan 24 at 2021 6:21 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 18:21:38 -0500

Ladies and gentlemen, and Marines, several posts mention that they believe that the discipline and the brotherhood and the guns-ho-ness is better in the Marines. I honestly submit that judgement of those things is in the eye of the beholder. One of the reasons I did not choose the Marine Corps is because I felt like they went too far into all that Hoo-Rah rather than focus on mission. For a similar reason I left the 82nd airborne after 2 years, I did not like the blind obedience lock step airborne attitude. There is a place and a need for the Marines and the 82nd, but they are not the right fit for me. I'm not better than you because I am an aviator, but it is the right fit for me. Hopefully we all had the chance to serve where we fit. Now, it that is in the Marine Corps, then Hoo-Rah!

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jan 26 at 2021 7:50 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:50:27 -0500

Nothing at all

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jan 26 at 2021 7:50 AM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:50:50 -0500

NOTHING AT ALL

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Jan 28 at 2021 3:31 PM

SrA Daniel Hunter — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:31:34 -0500

Speaking from an Air Force point of view so take this as you will.

Con: As a Marine women automatically find you more attractive.
Pro: You fly where you need to go rather than go by ship.

Response by MSG Edward Flint made Feb 18 at 2021 5:09 PM

MSG Edward Flint — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:09:44 -0500

I did my first 10 years in the Corps and made SGT E5. 9 years later I went into the Army National Guard. I entered at CPL E4. After a year I was moblized with my unit on 9/11/01. Thats whenI really learned what the Army was all about. Both branches have their Pros & Cons. I first experianced culter shock. The Army is much bigger with 3 different branches Regular, Reserve and National Guard they say its an army of one and one Army but I didnt see that. After mobilization I went into the AGR (Active Guard Reserve) I finished my active time and retired as an SFC E7 with 22 years. The AGR program was the best kept secret in the Marine Corps other former Marines in the progrsm used to say. Finish your time without the hassel.

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made Feb 19 at 2021 2:13 PM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:13:00 -0500

In the 70s I had the pleasure of working in Special Forces with a lot of prior Marines. Special Forces or Ranger (or possibly both) are a good fit for prior Marines, but as a minimum they make great paratroopers.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Feb 20 at 2021 1:01 PM

CW3 Dan Mackey — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:01:04 -0500

The Army has more opportunities in everything by virtue of its size. There are way more opportunities for rank and the army has more special ops jobs than there are Marines in the Corp.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 7:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:32:07 -0500

I did 4 years with the Air Wing and didn't like my job, and did not get to travel. At the end I was trying to change MOS and because of shortages the MC wouldn't let me. After getting out and working for 10 months I ran into a Army recruiter and I decided to take the ASVAB and see how thing would go option wise. Ended up joining for 3 years in Intelligence. I got to keep my rank, volunteered for Airborne, first assignment Germany. Had a great time re-enlisted after 3 for 6 more and got a $40,000 bonus and picked my next 3 assignments. Retired at 21 years in 2007.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 7:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:34:33 -0500

You have more options in the Army, even more in the Air Force.
I did 4 years USMC in Cryogenics
8 1/2 years Army Intelligence
3 years Air Force Intelligence
and retired with 21 years from the National Guard.

Response by SSgt Robert Campbell made Feb 22 at 2021 9:10 AM

SSgt Robert Campbell — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:10:47 -0500

The majority of the Marine Corps are under 25 so where are you going in the Corps? If you want that pension then most studs will have to transition to another service.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 12:55 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 12:55:23 -0500

Very simply, the Marine Corps is a great place to grow up. Once you have attained an adult level of performance expectation, maturity, and work ethic, the Army is a great place to get your Career!
In 1999, after 17yrs in the Corps, I got out and went to Nursing School. I was in the Army National Guard for those 5 years, (read as nasty guard by some) where even in the field artillery, discipline was very reduced. One Direct Commission later I was a 1Lt at Walter Reed AMC, 18 months later, in Anesthesia School at USUHS, Bethesda, MD. I did 17 years in the Army all told and they gave me the greatest career with an Awesome life style. The Marines taught me how to dig in and do the work required. My one observational difference that really matters is the early discipline of the Marines. Is not there in the Army.

Response by MAJ Gregory Moon made Feb 25 at 2021 9:37 PM

MAJ Gregory Moon — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:37:38 -0500

Bottom line there are more positions in the army. In the Army i've run into a lot of marines the common thread is that at some point there was no place to move up and they got forced out or they got pissed got out and wanted back in. They couldn't because the Marines have an end strength of 200K and the Army is closer to 500k not counting the Guard and Reserves. Your skills transfer easily. Equipment is not the same but close enough. If you're hitting a career dead end look at the Guard if your combat arms and Reserves for Combat Support or Service Support.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2021 10:50 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 10:50:01 -0400

Well I spent 8 years in the Corps loved ever minute of it. I've been in the Army for 15 years now. Other then serving my country. I would have rather stayed in the Corps. The NCO Corp is better in the Marines. I could go on. I was put out of the Corps due to cut backs. I don't mind the Army put I love the Coprs. It's like night and day difference good luck with your future Marine, Semper Fi

Response by Col Gonzalo Arturo Gutierrez Orozco made Apr 7 at 2021 7:10 AM

Col Gonzalo Arturo Gutierrez Orozco — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 07:10:18 -0400

To do much to much work ,No dicipline!!!!!Foul on no respect and ID.No rebounes subplays reserv.!!!Uniform not make the work on change for apariences.....!!!!But yeah I can fligth and sweam diep under sea!!!!!

Response by COL Jim McHugh made Apr 8 at 2021 6:29 AM

COL Jim McHugh — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 06:29:49 -0400

In my experience and that of several Marines/Soldiers I know, the Army National Guard in particular treats former Marines exceptionally well. I had 9 years TIS in USMC and 15 in Army Guard. Obviously the Marine Corps has awesome esprit de corps, but the Army does too. The Army has a lot of flexible opportunities. From my view, you won’t go wrong with the Army, but make no mistake, you will always miss the Marine Corps.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Apr 9 at 2021 12:18 PM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 12:18:38 -0400

My experience, In the Corps, we are leaders. In the Army, we're piss ants that are abused by staff nco's who are clueless as to what leading troops means. And God forbid you take charge of a gaggle fuck and try to get anything done. USMC = Military bearing, ARMY = no military bearing from command on down! Lastly, prepare to die from power point led training and AAR's. You'll literally complete AAR's for police calls. In a nut shell, the ARMY gets in its own way and is completely jacked up! At least in the Marine Corps we knew who to hate and why. The ARMY, NO CLUE!

Response by PO1 William Bargar made Apr 19 at 2021 6:44 PM

PO1 William Bargar — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:44:36 -0400

OK, I have 1st hand knowledge & experience on this. I personally switched from the Marine Corps to the Navy. If I knew that I was going to LOSE two pay grades (E-5 to E-3) and also NOT make E-7 before I retired - "I would've definitely think twice"! I even went from AVIATION MARINE CORPS to AVIATION NAVY & still lost two pay grades. Tough to adjust to the Navy as well..... It took me a good two years to adjust to the Navy - the lack of discipline & military bearing. Tough decision - Think it over hard. One thing I did hear about the Army it's easy to rank up. That's a positive. Good Luck with your decision.

Response by Sgt Michael Swigert made Apr 21 at 2021 12:56 PM

Sgt Michael Swigert — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:56:39 -0400

there are none. you should be ashamed for even thinking of doing that.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made May 6 at 2021 1:46 PM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Thu, 06 May 2021 13:46:53 -0400

I was going to do the samething, as I would have worked with my Dad. He was the 1Sgt of the unit. Would have be easy but could not let myself take a step-down to join the Army Res.Sorry, In boot camp our Di would always say GOD, Country and the Corps** Even to this day people always thank me for my service and being a Marine. Hope this was helpful but you know what that say, Once aMarine always a Marine. Good luck Marine. And my God be with you and keep you safe no matter what branch your in. Semper Fi Gy Sgt. J. Wallace

Response by PO3 Alan Killebrew made May 10 at 2021 2:29 AM

PO3 Alan Killebrew — Mon, 10 May 2021 02:29:25 -0400

needing a lobotomy so you dont surpass the maximum IQ?

Response by CPT Mike Sims made May 10 at 2021 11:44 AM

CPT Mike Sims — Mon, 10 May 2021 11:44:42 -0400

Marine... allow me to make the recommendation of making the transition to become a Commissioned Officer in the Army and you can also serve as a Counterintelligence (CI) Special Agent (National Security Crimes Investigator), or as a Criminal Investigations Division (CID) Special Agent... CID just opened its doors to Commissioned Officers. Counterintelligence used to be the only place in the Army with Commissiined Officer / Special Agents, but now since CID has opened its doors, there are plenty of opportunities for you to be a Military Special Agent. I would recommend the Counterintelligence (CI) route because of the type of operations you will be conducting... Clandestine Operations / or National Security Crimes Investigations against Terrorism, Sabotage, Assassination Attempts, Acts of Subervision, Acts of Sedition, Espionage, Treason, Cyber Crimes against DoD, and any threats connected to a foreign nexus (domestically and overseas) who pose a threat to U.S. National Security, U.S. Citizens, DoD assets, U.S. Army areas of interest. In addition - as a CI Special Agent, you may also conduct or provide support to Human Intelligence (HUMINT) operations, you will recruit spies to work for us, you will Investigate or interview Leads, Sources, Witnesses, Subjects, you will take cases to court in coordination with the FBI and other agencies, you will work closely with other branches of the military investigative agencies (NCIS, CGIS, CGCIS, AFOSI, and along with our CID), and you will interface and coordinate quite a bit with the CIA, DIA, FBI, DHS, Secret Service, CBP, Border Patrol, ICE, HSI, and the State Department - and sometimes with state and local officials. You will attend advanced training at the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA) at Quantico Marine Corps Base, and you have the chance to attend specialized training at the FBI Academy (also at Quantico), or the "Farm" - for the CIA. After your advanced training, you are then qualified to serve with and provide CI support to JSOC - which will then enable you to plan and participate in Covert Missions (different than Clandestine Operations).

If you decide to leave the Army later, you can stay with the Army as a Civilian Special Agent either in Counterintelligence with (MICECP - pronounced as "my-sep") = Military Intelligence Civilian Excepted Career Program, or you can work in CID, or you can leave the Army and join the DIA as a CI Special Agent, or work for the CIA, or a multitude of other agencies. The level of training and experience and various types of missions you will be involved in or agencies you will work with are limitless and exciting.

If not the Army, then take a look at the U.S. Coast Guard as a Commissioned Officer while also serving as a Counterintelligence Special Agent in the Coast Guard Counterintelligence Service (CGCIS) or as a CID Special Agent in the Coast Guard Criminal Investigation Service (CGIS). The Coast Guard is the nation's premier Maritime Law Enforcement Agency - it has primacy of all crimes committed at sea (not the Navy and not the FBI), and it belongs to the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense as a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces (therefore, you will be allowed to attend specialized and advanced training at DHS and DoD schools). Same as the Army... get tired of serving on active duty as an agent, then retire, or transfer to the reserves - and then continue working for CGCIS or CGIS as a full time Civilian Special Agent while still serving as a reserve Commissiomed Officer / Special Agent (you usually end up working in the same office one weekend a month as you do during the week).... then you can have two retirements... a Military Retirement from.active duty or the Reserves as a Commissioned Officer, and a Civilian Retirement as a Special Agent, and you will also have TSP's (Military and Civilian) from which you can use as a supplement to your retirement. If you transfer to the Reserves, you can also begin to receive any VA benefits and compensation for any injuries or exposures you sustained as a result of service or combat - which will allow you to recieve VA medical care in addition to Civilian Federal Healthcare benefits (much better than Tricare).

Good luck Marine!

Response by CW3 Peter Acevedo made May 11 at 2021 6:42 AM

CW3 Peter Acevedo — Tue, 11 May 2021 06:42:53 -0400

Sgt Fulmer
I’m Pete I retired in 1996. While on active duty I had the honor of flying with a few former Marines and Navy Seals. They both told me the loved the Corp and Teams but the Army was to only way they could get to fly. I also have three former Marines in my family a Son a son-in-law and nephew I tell them they need two more Marines for a fair fight LOL. My youngest son is Air Force. My Dad was Navy and after he pasted my stepfather was Air Force so we have a large military Family. I was liaison to the Marine Corps for five years I worked for SOTG. I’m familiar with the MARINE CORP‘s traditions. The Army is different but we all bleed green on the inside. Most of them went on to fly for the 160th. It’s something to think about. Stay safe my Friend.

Response by 1SG Daniel Bellina made May 11 at 2021 2:01 PM

1SG Daniel Bellina — Tue, 11 May 2021 14:01:45 -0400

Both are good. Have trained both was a Drill Sgt, a Blackhat and weapons instructor. Go for Special opns and you too can work with them both. OK Navy Seals too but loved working with Force Recon

Response by LTC John Wilson made May 19 at 2021 9:07 PM

LTC John Wilson — Wed, 19 May 2021 21:07:02 -0400

I am a former Marine, after being out of the corps for one year, I decided to go back in and once again serve. However, the Marines had second thoughts about that. They wanted me to give up my stripes and go back to Vietnam as a Lance Corporal. My experience was tossed out the window like a bucket of water.
I decided not to rejoin the Marines and on my way ot of the Recruiting Building was approached by the Army recruiter. Who promptly told me that there were other options. One, reenlist at my previous rank. Two, Take a test to see if I could get into Officer Candidate School. If so, I could be in OCS within five days of signing up. He also told me if I flunked out, I was going Infantry and back to Vietnam.
I joined, Passed the test, Graduated OCS, and got to select the schools of my choice, Airborne, Special Forces, Language training. When I graduated I was sent to Vietnam as a 2nd Lieutenant, in the Army Special Forces. I was initially assigned as a Operations officer in the B Team. Upon the death of another officer, I was assigned as the Commander of an A-Team.
I got to experience some of the toughest combat first hand, and become a qualified SF Officer. I transferred out to Reserves in 1971, when there was a Riffed in Force. That way I kept my rank and went back to get my College Degree. I earned three degrees and retired as a Lieutenant colonel in the USAR. Pension according to points earned during service.
By far the Army gave me the opportunity to be all I could be and used my talents to their best interests. IO strongly recommend Marines to check out the Army OCS programs and better themselves. OOOrah!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2021 9:21 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 21:21:50 -0400

So, in the Army one of the biggest dofferences is that you’ll be expected to know how to read and write. As long as that’s not a problem for you, I think you’ll be happy with the transfer.

Response by SP5 Christopher Brock made Jun 13 at 2021 9:55 PM

SP5 Christopher Brock — Sun, 13 Jun 2021 21:55:56 -0400

Pros more bases
Cons lack of integrity, a lot of women sleeping to the top, more attitude, a lot of NCO’s put their careers and wants ahead of their soldiers, 21 year old E-6’s, seen more drug cases, seen people who do drugs get promoted faster then a non drug users, and I actually met a 27 year old Master Sergeant, seen Females cuss out male Sildiers then when the Male says something back they file an EO Complaint, and the One that made me Get out a Male Soldier tried to rape a female Soldier while, high on Meth and had Cocaine in his system get off, finish out his time and got all benefits, I will always remember her face when she seen he had no consequences

Response by PO1 Deb Hawkins made Jul 22 at 2021 5:32 PM

PO1 Deb Hawkins — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:32:20 -0400

Most switch to Coast Guard, better lifestyle, cool counter drug missions

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2021 3:52 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 15:52:57 -0400

I think the biggest advantage the Army has is that it’s a much larger organization. Hence more opportunities for promotion and exploring different career paths. On the downside the Marine Corps seems to have a higher esprit de corps than the Army.

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Jul 24 at 2021 10:21 PM

SPC Robert Hendrickson — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 22:21:37 -0400

it depends on what you are pursuing in Life, Prestige?, Honor?, Pride?, you have also shown all of those mentioned, and more .. follow your dream , and stay in a vocation, job, M.O.S., that will last and help you out, an live life to the fullest. .. welcome to OOORAH land and semper fidelis also.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Jul 25 at 2021 10:17 AM

PFC James Edward VERNON jr — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 10:17:34 -0400

SARGE, THERE IS NO "PAT" ANSWERS. WE ALL HAVE "GOALS / DESIRES", FIGURE OUT YOURS AND THAT IS THE ANSWER.

Response by 1SG Kenneth Diaz made Jul 26 at 2021 9:42 AM

1SG Kenneth Diaz — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:42:07 -0400

Hey SGT, I made the switch way back in 93. I was an 0341 in 2/8 and became an 11C in the 82nd. I left a CPL and retired a 1SG. I loved both. You will have good days and Bad days in both, however the Army does have far more opportunities to create your career the way you want it. I have no regrets. I will always be a Marine and I will always be a Soldier. Best decision I ever made. Good luck

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jul 26 at 2021 4:22 PM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:22:39 -0400

No pros just cons Sgt. You would be lost in the Army just another grunt. Once a Marine always a marine, never anything else. Side note I have found there are a few more conns in the Army.

Response by SSG Pat Meine made Aug 5 at 2021 7:19 AM

SSG Pat Meine — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 07:19:23 -0400

No matter the pros or cons, don’t go to the army and brag about being a former Marine, especially if you’re a leg in the 82nd. All the formers would do it and nobody cared.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Aug 8 at 2021 9:16 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 09:16:41 -0400

Depends on your own personal circumstances. I spent 11.5 years in the Corps and left as a Gunnery Sergeant. I won't go into details, but the reason for my exit was a personal choice. After attending college and getting a job, I thought for a while about the years I had invested and decided to join the Army National Guard. I missed military life. I had been born on a military base and grew up as a dependent. Just a few days after graduating I was back as a service member. The Guard let me in as an SgtE5. After another 10 years, I was discharged as a SSgt but retired as a SFC. The weekend duty and the 2 weeks in the summer along with other extended times for schools and special assignments satisfied my need for military life plus I now had a nice retirement check coming my way when I turned 60. Then 10 years later I requested to be transferred out of the Ready Reserve to the Active Reserve. I kept my eyes open and found a group going to Iraq. I requested a transfer and after an interview with the CO, I was accepted. This added another 18 months to my active duty. When I finally retired at 59, I had 13 active and 13 reserve years and while I had to return to the Guard as an E5 once again, I still retired as a SFC.

Rank wise, I should have stayed in the Corps. I could have retired as a MGySgt around the 20 years mark. If I had transferred to the Army, which I almost did, I was going to go Warrant. I had the paperwork all but turned in. At the time I was on Joint Service Duty. I was guaranteed to stay on the same post for 3 years. I would have been pinned on my date of entry, and WO school would come with the next opening. I almost did it and probably should have. Going Reserve side was not good for promotion. My timing was off. At the time I finished college, I was not eligible for OCS because the age limit at that time was 29.5 years and I was that age when I started college. Rank just didn't work in the Guard. That's OK since I still retired as an E7 for pay. Could have been better, but that's OK.

I loved the Corps, but quite frankly, life in the Army can be just as good, and better in many cases since your family has more opportunities and there are a lot more choices in duty stations.

Response by 1LT Lewis Nelson made Aug 24 at 2021 12:28 PM

1LT Lewis Nelson — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 12:28:49 -0400

The pros and cons in this matter are as individual as fingerprints. The system is built to make you blend in, not stand out, not to be all you can be but to be the piece the system needs to perpetuate itself for the gratification of those who benefit from the catastrophe of armed conflict. Individuals would be better able to develop and contribute to our country if we had one military entity instead of competing branches with over-lapping goals and obstacles.

Response by SSgt Edward Lynch made Aug 24 at 2021 7:23 PM

SSgt Edward Lynch — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 19:23:21 -0400

I served 20 years in the Marines. While had duty as a recruiter at Lakewood Ohio I served with the other branches of service. I appreciate the Marine Corps more.

Response by LtCol Michael Niermeier made Aug 25 at 2021 12:37 PM

LtCol Michael Niermeier — Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:37:19 -0400

It comes down to opportunities and lifestyle in my opinion. So many more jobs in the Army, Army Reserve, National Guard and in more lication. Like the old receuiting billboards in Jacksonville, NC said, "Sometimes the best Soldier is a Marine."

Response by CW2 Matt Baum made Aug 30 at 2021 10:29 AM

CW2 Matt Baum — Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:29:42 -0400

I switched from the AF to Army as an E5. There were several prior Marines in my Combat Medic school. They seemed to like the Army better, but maintained their Marine brotherhood. As for me, I hated the AF and all the politics. The Army was the best move that I could have made. It also allowed me to pursuit different MOS and rank structures, that would not have been afforded to me in the AF.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Aug 30 at 2021 12:24 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:24:47 -0400

My son switched from the Marines to the Army over a cigarette butt controversy. He ended up with the 3rd Secial Forces and screwed up his bck jumping out of a C-130 over Iraq. He loved all of it. I, on the other hand, was a 100% doggie during the draft era and ran into a ton of assholes who did not accept RA's in their US society. I fought company pissants a lot more than I got to fight the enemy. I shoulda went Marine but ended up rmy because the Navy wouldn't let me join up for SEAL training even though I had a WSI scuba diver training card. I did learn one thing: the uniform might batter at the football game. It doesn't mean squat on the battlefield.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Sep 2 at 2021 4:43 PM

MSG Loren Tomblin — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 16:43:12 -0400

Back in the day I was an Army SGT and sported an EIB. I though I would switch to the USMC but they offered me nothing. E-2 even though I was an Expert Infantryman. I decided to re-up and went to the Infantry again and then language school. I was an E-2 when I went to "Nam. I was an E-7 four years later. In essence the Army was veddy, veddy good to me. I retired as a MSG. My last billet was the SGM slot with WESTCOM IG. 1983.

Response by PVT Kurtis Miller made Oct 25 at 2021 12:04 AM

PVT Kurtis Miller — Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:04:58 -0400

Does anyone teach civilian helicopter lessons in New York City? If so how much do you charge? My name is Kurtis. My email is: [login to see]

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Nov 21 at 2021 8:59 AM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 08:59:41 -0500

Cons; less discipline, lower work ethic, less dedication.

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Nov 23 at 2021 4:52 PM

1LT Neal Schwartz — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:52:41 -0500

I was Army XO, then CO of a 8” Howitzer Battery that we re-tubed on occasion to 175mm Guns. We shot mostly for the 101st AB, sample of which was Operation Apache Snow, on Hill 937, later known as Hamburger Hill. The Army lost a lot of good men there. We also shot mostly 175mm for the Marines up on the DMZ off Hwy 9. The differences I saw in the Army, my Battalion was composed of three firing batteries all of which were Self-Propelled either 8” or 175mm. Every piece of artillery I saw that the Marines had were towed, a lot more work and effort. While the Army lost a lot of guys on Hill 937, the Marines up on Camp Carroll lost half or more of their ranks. I ran into one of those Marines wearing a Marine Vietnam cap one day a few years ago. We found out we were there at the same time, at least the day the mess hall got blown to pieces. So we reminisced for a few hours and cried together. He has since passed away. I hardly knew him but I miss him terribly.

Response by Sgt Larry Dillon made Feb 21 at 2022 3:19 PM

Sgt Larry Dillon — Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:19:37 -0500

Left Marine Corps after 5 years. Got commissioned 1Lt in Army. Retired Lt Col. rank is more available in Army.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2022 4:45 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 04:45:44 -0500

I see you must be from the Houston area. A bit of guidance if you would like to stay in the "special ops", move up as fast as possible and get specialized training opportunities from different service branches, maybe qualify for LE pay and be treated as an individual rather than a number....plus join a service and unit which will appreciate your prior training. Look into the USCG and the Marine Safety and Security Teams.
Just a suggestion........terrible bus driver dress uniforms but, you will get to wear OCP which everyone else in their doesnt get to wear. All the dress stuff diesnt matter at the end if your time anyway.....you can thank me later....

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2022 7:56 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:56:53 -0500

I think the first thing you have to ask yourself, is what do you want to do with your life. Each has opportunities similar to other, but what are YOUR goals.

Then explore what service has the opportunities that you would like to utilize.

In general, the doctrine of each is different so they have different opportunities but there is some overlap. Then there are unique opportunities that only certain services provide. This is my own diatribe...so forgive me if I get something wrong, but it's what I've learned over the years.

Let's look at the generality/stereotype of each service:

1. USMC is a smaller force. Intrinsically they have a smaller amount of opportunities. However, the corps takes care of their own as long as your needs coincide with what the corps needs in this day and age. Limited reserve opportunities unless you are near a reserve unit. Uniforms and comradery are awesome, but you need to take care of you for twenty-some years. You make your family in each service or component. Be the leader that takes care of the family regardless of where you land.

2. USA is a HUGE force. They have nooks, crannies, and all sorts of unusual specialties. Don't forget they have unique opportunities that other services don't offer (think flying warrants, warrant boat captains, Rangers vs. Spec Ops). While they have a magnificent amount of opportunities, the force is huge and some people can feel lost in this massive component. It also offers great opportunities in the Guard and Reserve in case your life changes or you prefer to try the civilian sector for some time. Since you mentioned Force Recon...don't forget that you don't have to be Q coded to work with spec ops. There are plenty of support units in the Army that are not "Operators" but do many if not all of the same things in support of Spec Ops.

3. USAF is a moderate sized force. However, they have very unique capabilities that many forget about. Think flight nursing and Pararescue. Not only can you do the Spec Ops, but you can do some very unique things that other services do not do. While many of us don't like the current uniforms we are very proud of the things we accomplish daily. One of the biggest things is that the USAF tries to ensure all members have something to fall back to when they get out. More so than other services. Especially on the enlisted side the Community College of The Air Force (CCAF) offers the ability for enlisted members to obtain degrees while working in their field. In fact it's ingrained into our culture. While the other services try to do this, sometimes it falls flat because of the unique nature of the military.

4. USN again is a moderate to large sized force. They have opportunities that the other services don't have, and look at managing those forces differently than the other services. I don't have much to say about the USN, other than think through the opportunities and keep reaching out to people in those services to try and figure out the quirks and opportunities that may or may not make your decision based on your own goals.

Finally, if you have further questions...reach out. I have been in three services (USMC, USA, and USAF) both on the enlisted and officer side as well as Guard and Active duty. I'm always open to sharing my experiences and I spend a lot of time mentoring other military individuals from multiple services so they can find the path that is right for them. After a while the DOD enterprise works very similarly across the services. It's really about what you can offer to the services as well as what your goals are.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2022 9:31 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:31:42 -0500

So what did you decide? 4 years later, are you still in the Marine Corps?

Response by MAJ Tony Webb made Feb 26 at 2022 2:33 AM

MAJ Tony Webb — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 02:33:46 -0500

I went from being a SSgt in the Air Force Helicopter Flight Mechanic after 7 years. Attended Army ROTC at UGA with a Ranger Tab and commissioned a 2d LT assigned to the Armored Cavalry. Retired as a Major. Loved every minute of both services. The Army gave me more opportunities to excel …

Response by SPC Richard Levine made Feb 27 at 2022 12:25 PM

SPC Richard Levine — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 12:25:00 -0500

I'm in my 70's & it was a different Marine & Army in the 60's. Marine's were considered the toughest. First one in last one out. The army was tougher than today. SSG said: you better work harder, it's damn hot over there. He wasn't just referring to the weather. Army is the biggest & offered more opportunities. I was offered OCS, my first weeks & turned it down. 6 yrs enlistment? Made top 10 at AIT(Ft Sam) & stayed off the front lines.
Unless you plan a long military career, look for all the civilian related opportunities you can get. On my discharge day, a Major begged me to reup. She said I was the best Corpsman in our unit, offered me a grade up. a compliment? I politely said no thanks, I have great career opportunities waiting. Grew out my hair & went to Woodstock. Changed my life. Army got me into college & made 3 times the money in 2 yrs. Nice car, apt & women. Don't miss the snoring in the barracks.

Response by MAJ Tom Harper made Feb 28 at 2022 1:15 PM

MAJ Tom Harper — Mon, 28 Feb 2022 13:15:22 -0500

i was an active duty Marine for 4 years, then spent another 2 years in the Marine Reserves before switching to Army Reserve. Some of the benefits of the Army for me were many more opportunities and locations to serve. I wanted to be in specialty engineering units and they are all in the Army Reserve, Real Estate, well drilling, utilities etc.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Apr 2 at 2022 3:09 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sat, 02 Apr 2022 15:09:13 -0400

Probably better advancement in the Army??

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Apr 6 at 2022 5:19 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:19:21 -0400

Sometimes it can be the only way to continue your military career... as I approached my EAS in 1985, the Corps was drawing down and weren't offering re-enlistment to thousands of us, (I was injured and processing out as Honorable Medical, but even if healthy re-upping would not have been an option).
The Army has always kept a higher troop strength, and it would be foolish on their part to turn away highly experienced personnel.

Response by PVT Paul Vary made Apr 6 at 2022 5:30 PM

PVT Paul Vary — Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:30:31 -0400

I had a platoon sgt. who had come over from the Corps and I had a great deal of respect for him and his service. Each and every day, he wore a clean pressed uniform and helped the rest of us in the unit to have the same. I believe he enjoyed being our Sergeant.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Apr 7 at 2022 6:18 PM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Thu, 07 Apr 2022 18:18:55 -0400

Pro- on the PT test you only have to run 2 miles, not 3. Con- you are one pound heavier.
Pro- there is no cold salty water. Con- there are plenty of parasites in the warm smelly water.
Pro- no shark. Con- a bunch of alligators, snakes, spiders, scorpions, etc.
Pro- the largest boat is about 10 feet long. Con- the boat is not bulletproof and tends to attract bullets.
Pro- the Army is one head one tail dragon, not a hydra. Con- it's a big heavy dragon.
Pro- our wardrobes change often. Con- unless you are a new recruit, you pay with your clothing allowance.
Pro- we are the many in a big proud family. Con- we are not just the few and the proud.
Pro- movies about us are funny. Con- good luck finding a hard felt drama.
...
Shall I go on?

Response by Cpl Gunner Stout made Apr 17 at 2022 4:32 PM

Cpl Gunner Stout — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:32:36 -0400

I have a number of Marine buddies who went Army after their Marine enlistment was up, and a few Army buddies who have related their experience with "former Marines" in their ranks, and my impression is that Army command typically appreciates Marines who maintain some of the Marine grease in their military bearing, as they tend to help set a positive example for the rest of the troops. The Marine converts also admit there's not quite as much Army slack as they anticipated, and there are some cultural differences that take some getting used to (both sides, BTW) - "it exercises your tolerance muscles" as one quipped to me.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 6 at 2022 8:39 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Fri, 06 May 2022 08:39:45 -0400

I switched from the Marine Corps to the Army just before Desert Storm. I went from an 1811 tanker (Marine Corps) to a 19K tanker (Army) The first time I looked at myself in the mirror wearing that Army uniform, my first reaction was---MY GOD--WHAT HAVE I DONE. The Army guys all seemed to need haircuts, their uniforms were a mess, and they couldn't march worth a shit. But, they knew their MOS down cold. Their field skills were better than Marines and when I thought about it. I realized I was spending most of my time in the Corps getting ready for inspection.

Response by Sgt Lisa Coloma made May 20 at 2022 1:50 PM

Sgt Lisa Coloma — Fri, 20 May 2022 13:50:30 -0400

Finish your degree and join as an officer. Much better prospects when you separate.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jul 14 at 2022 12:44 AM

1SG Michael Farrell — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 00:44:38 -0400

Sigh. It's your life Sergeant, and most of the former Marines I had work for and with me were great and had great success. But, it's all about experience, and in the Corps, you already know the things that you can't learn about life there in books. The Army is the same kind of place, just very different unknown rules and culture. Hell, I've been retired for a while and my Army is as far gone as the brown shoe Army was from me as a young soldier. Think of it this way. It might work, it might not - but if the experience doesn't kill you, there's always a next time. And, most of the time, it doesn't kill you...and when it does, you probably won't know anyway.

Response by LtCol Don Kaag made Aug 14 at 2022 1:35 PM

LtCol Don Kaag — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:35:56 -0400

Even if you make the switch, you will always be a Marine, and that is where your heart will be forever.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Aug 21 at 2022 6:31 PM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:31:51 -0400

What ever u do... IS RIGHT.

Response by SN Russell Helberg made Oct 1 at 2022 9:42 PM

SN Russell Helberg — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:42:40 -0400

when i was in coast guard boot camp in 1962 we had one army one air force and one navy in our company hotel 37. when we talked about their jumping ship the coast guard offered something they did not have in the other services. in those days you had to attend boot camp all over again but they put an end to that to get the rates out in the field. but we learned a lot from them about boot camp.

Response by SFC Richard Desrosiers made Oct 1 at 2022 11:06 PM

SFC Richard Desrosiers — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 23:06:04 -0400

ZI understand whole heartedly. I spent 12 yrs in the marine corps, then 8 in the Army and retired with a total of 20 yrs actve duty.

I

Response by SFC Richard Desrosiers made Oct 1 at 2022 11:17 PM

SFC Richard Desrosiers — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 23:17:27 -0400

I won't say there are many pros & cons.I will mostly say it's mainly it's a big adjustmnt.

Response by MSgt Robert E. M. made Oct 4 at 2022 9:41 AM

MSgt Robert E. M. — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 09:41:02 -0400

It's like you are doing your best to be the best God, has for you. What so good is we have seen others who have done this or the other way. Take this retired marine as one, who now serves in another Army with our Ephesians 6: 10 - 24.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 6 at 2022 5:47 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Tue, 06 Dec 2022 17:47:46 -0500

In 1963 I went to the Army from the Marine Corp. I was a Cpl. when i joined the Army I took a Demotion to PFC. I was in an Ammo Co in the Marine corp and also in the Army. We went on a 30 day field problem, I was the only person who went to the Armorer to get cleaning gear for my M1 carbine. I was made Co. Armorer. When the Supply Clerk got discharged I was made Supply clerk. Then the supply Sgt. went AWOL. I was made acting Supply Sgt. Every time I was moved up to another job I got promoted. I went from PFC. to SP/5 in 15 months. Never worked in my MOs of 2311 (Ammo Tech) I was given a specialist rank. Them we went to vietnam . 205th Ord Plt (Ammo) on 2 weeks notice because the Army didn't have any Ammo Techs in Vietnam in 65. I was still acting Supply Sgt. In March of 66 the Ammo dump at Qui nhon got blown up. about a month later I was offered a battle field comission if I stayed in Vietnam another year. I turned it down because I had been Married only 8 months. Biggest difference i seen was lack of discipline in the Army. And it was always next man up. Before Vietnam it was hard to make rank in the Marine Corp. Some Pfcs had a good conduct ribbon. The younger generation don't care about this. I wanted you to know how it used to be.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Dec 7 at 2022 1:33 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 13:33:15 -0500

Well For Me, It's Even A Tougher Question To Answer.
Because I've Never Been In The Military Service,
I Enlisted In The Air Force Instead....

Response by SGM Todd Stee made Dec 13 at 2022 3:26 PM

SGM Todd Stee — Tue, 13 Dec 2022 15:26:24 -0500

Get away from the Corps. I did the same thing. The Corps is a complete dead end made up of assholes. Army SF is a much better place to be. I went from there to EOD. Best decision. There isn't much life after uniform for SF. There is a lot of opportunities for EOD. Think that over before you commit. And EOD drinks more beer

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Dec 14 at 2022 6:51 AM

SSgt Michael Bowen — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 06:51:04 -0500

I served in the corps for almost 9 years , I then got out and shortly after went Army . where i served over 20 years . I will always be a Marine but also a Soldier . The Army does have both better and more Options but don't regret my service in the Corps one bit . Because it's the smallest of the services there is a strong brother hood the other services don't have . Making it through Basic is your entry exam into that brother hood . LOL

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Dec 14 at 2022 5:34 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:34:15 -0500

I was in with a Sgt that worked in my Helo Squadron in the Marines. He knew that as an Enlisted man, he would never fly one of our birds. He would need to get a degree, go to OCS, get into Flight School, and be selected for Helos. Too many chances to not make the grade to risk it. In the Army, all he needed was to become a Warrent Officer to fly. I saw him 18 months later and after a salute, we talked about his experiences. He regretted only leaving his brothers in our squadron. It was right for hm.

Response by SP5 Maria Van Ness-Rondon made Dec 15 at 2022 7:22 AM

SP5 Maria Van Ness-Rondon — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 07:22:30 -0500

I agree 100% once a Marine always a Marine but the Army is easier to go up in ranks and a lot better in many ways!

Response by Sgt Travis Adams made Dec 15 at 2022 12:47 PM

Sgt Travis Adams — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 12:47:08 -0500

Hey! Don't forget about USAF Combat Controllers and Pararescuemen. Those guys get attached to just about every Special Operations in every branch to include NASA. PJ motto "That others may live"

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Jan 14 at 2023 1:59 PM

CPT Kurk Harris — Sat, 14 Jan 2023 13:59:51 -0500

Utmost respect for the Marines. I definitely want them close during a firefight. Discipline, morale, esprit de corps, they are top notch.
I was Navy, then Army Infantry, then Army Nurse Corps. While I was never a Marine, I have served with a few, so here's my take on changing...
Pros: More room for advancement. More opportunites to earn a commission. More opportunities for advanced training. More diversity of assignments. More organic assets like transpotation and aircraft.
Cons: Less discipline, especially among non combat arms elements. Lower standards for physical fitness, except for light infantry units. More bureaucracy, and nonsensical BS. Longer deployments.
I am sure there are more, but this is my immediate response to the question.
Best of luck in your career!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2023 7:32 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Jan 2023 07:32:45 -0500

Semper Fi
Once a Marine always a Marine. With that being said. I concur with his assessment. Exclusively relative to promotions.
Ret SGM

Response by 1SG Frank Peck made Jan 16 at 2023 9:43 AM

1SG Frank Peck — Mon, 16 Jan 2023 09:43:39 -0500

I did my four-year hitch, in the Marine Corps. I got out in 1981. Received my Honorable discharge in 1982. I started missing it, the problem was all the Marine Reserve units were infantry. My ass rode in trucks, that's what I did in the Corps. I was a 3531 (heavy vehicle operator), I wasn't walking, I was driving, I would pick you grunts up and take you to destination. I joined a National Guard unit close to my house. The guard in 1985, had the same ole shit I drove in the Corps. I stayed in all total 35yrs. and 2 days retired as a 1SG, deployed overseas did convoys supporting Marines, worked side by side with all branches on the road in Iraq and Afghanistan. I will always be a Marine first, but it was all the same a truck is a truck, same hardships in combat zones no matter what branch. There were a lot of Marines that went into the Guard, actually the Guard has all prior branches in it. Your right, the Army always had new shit, the trucks I drove in Marine Corps were built in the 60's some still had amour plating on them from Vietnam. I as in over 2 years and we got new tractors that were Army hand me downs, we thought we were the cock of the walk, really glad to have them, LOL. All in All, I don't regret going Army. Bottom line is it's all about the RED, WHITE, and BLUE, OOOAH,or HOOAH

Response by MSG Bob S made Jan 19 at 2023 9:43 AM

MSG Bob S — Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:43:06 -0500

I can’t speak for the other services, but during my nearly 25 year Army career I saw dozens of former Marines transition to the Army due to career advancement and opportunities, but never once saw a soldier transition to the Marines

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Jan 21 at 2023 9:04 PM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:04:28 -0500

I was in the Arm first Navy second. My primary MOS in the Army was 11B. Secondary 95B. And had third MOS 11C. When I got back from Korea the Army saw fit send me to Tow Gunnery School. When I reported to Fort Campbell I was notified I had made E-6 . Went before Board while in Korea. I did 3 tours in Vietnam two as 11B and my third tour I was OJT MP. Was awarded secondary MOS 95B (December 1971-1972). I had a buddy in the 296th MP's at Fort Lewis He wrote to me stating there was a shortage of MP's in the unit. and the unit was looking for E-5 and E-6. So I had orders for Fort Lewis anyway after my third tour. I was able to get in the 296th MP's at Fort Lewis (January 73-September 1975). Was on Levy to Korea as an E-5 in my primary MOS 11B. I was spoiled by now and enjoyed MP Duty. In December 1977 I was up for reenlistment . 101st Airborne Division all releasements would only be in Primary MOS. So I elected to get out. I met a Navy Recruiter who told me about Master at Arms duty (same as army MP). I was able to lose one stripe and go in the Navy as an E-5. Master at Arms rating. There very few Master at Arms at E-5 level. Most had to be E-6 and above. Having secondary MOS 95B in the Army got me as E-5. I enjoyed my time in the Army. The comradery was top notch (especially in the Infantry) . In the Navy aboard Ship I was the only Rated Master at Arms. I t was knoiwn as Independent duty. One ship was an LST (Hauling Marines and the landing craft). Made friends with dome of Marine Staff Sergeants . i was E-6 by this time. The Young Marines gave me the most trouble, so I would get help from the Staff Sergeants I knew. They put those young Marines in line quickly.

Response by SSG William Hommel made Feb 3 at 2023 6:10 PM

SSG William Hommel — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 18:10:31 -0500

Grew up reading about military and inclined to join. Three yrs high school USMC JROTC left me enthralled with them but Army recruiters dangled an enlistment bonus and intel career in front of me. Eleven years active I often mused on and sometimes wished I'd gone Marines for the perceived improvement in esprit de corps and higher standards. Still muse on that sometimes and now I'm in my sixties. I think it boils down to what's in your heart. I didn't hate the Army; it was good for me. But if I'd gone Marines, maybe I would have done a full retirement. Who knows. Follow your heart, with some input from your brain.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2023 10:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Apr 2023 10:48:51 -0400

I switched from Marine Corps to Army in 2012 as a SSgt. Army will take anyone to include prior service Marines. I left the Corps because I was forced out due to budget cuts when the 2012 administration was downsizing the military. I couldn't come back in as I had sleeve tattoos while on active duty, but S1 didn't log the paperwork correctly so I couldn't come back in after. I spent 10 years with the Army fighting to get to E7. I spent a total of 13 years as an E6 and 10 of those years was with the Army reserve. Be prepared to deal with nonsense regarding reciprocity. I did all the schools on the Marine side to promote to Gunny, Army didn't even know where to begin with me. Took ten years to get to SLC (Army's apparent equivalent for career staff academy). Don't take this decision lightly. If I could have stayed Marine I would have in a heart beat. Don't expect the Army to be like the Marines. Army NCO leadership is different from that of a Marine NCO or SNCO.

Response by CW4 Mike O'Brien made Apr 19 at 2023 5:03 PM

CW4 Mike O'Brien — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:03:23 -0400

I was never a Marine, but I had quite a few friends and Soldiers convert. Some exams Warrent Officers which they Marine job did not allow them to, some just made rank a lot faster. They all missed the Corp but the Army had many advantages to include time for families. It also depends on what new job u take. If u go from. Infantry to infantry there may not be much difference. But infantry to pilot, maintenance field, medical field, supply there could be a world of difference. Be sure to check which MOS u go into, some army jobs do not promote for crap.

Response by Cpl Anthony Starcevic made Jun 18 at 2023 2:14 PM

Cpl Anthony Starcevic — Sun, 18 Jun 2023 14:14:46 -0400

The pros: ARMY is lucky to have you!...The con: the Marine Corps.not so lucky!!!

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jul 28 at 2023 5:10 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:10:54 -0400

I will not knock the Army, but I am a Marine, Semper Fi

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2023 3:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jul 2023 15:47:20 -0400

Well Devil Dog, you are right! Almost the same thing for me. Only I joined the Army Reserve. As an independent contractor, I noticed that many more Marines join and stay in the Regular Army and Army Reserve than Soldiers joining and staying in the Marine Corps.

At the end of the day it's about career progression, opportunities and other minor details (more bases and locations, more family and education oriented, and will try its to keep you in after getting physically hurt). Retiring at a higher grade is the key.

Semper Fidelis!!!
God speed!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2023 11:26 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 11:26:58 -0400

Greetings,
I did exactly that for which you speak. I had the TIS. But not the rank in the Marine's commensurate to the eight years active duty, 0311. So got out went to Army same MOS. Didn't have to go to Army basic, eligible for E6 immediately. But some Marine schools aren't accepted. Army sent me to all schools and got promoted. But know matter what. Nothing and know where will Ever touch the Corp's Espre' De Corp.
Always Faithful!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2023 3:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 15:58:28 -0400

Greetings Devil Dog!
I understand your situation, brother. The best coarse of action would be for you to contact an Army recruiter and enlist as an 18X. That recruiter should guide and assist you in navigating through your current contract and the 18X path.

Semper Fidelis!!!
God speed!

Response by SFC Daniel Eliseuson made Aug 2 at 2023 2:59 PM

SFC Daniel Eliseuson — Wed, 02 Aug 2023 14:59:25 -0400

If you have to ask that question, join the national guard, any doubt, confusion, hesitation etc can be crucial to an operation and your unit and mission success ….

Army you you and you put up the flag pole !!!

USMC. “SGT put up the flag pole !!!!
NOW, ask yourself what is the difference ????

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Sep 24 at 2023 8:29 AM

SMSgt Jeff Kyle — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:29:35 -0400

Dad told me if I ever joined the Army he’d kick my ass so hard that I’d have to unzip to smoke a cigarette. That being said, I joined the Marine Corps. Got almost everything I wanted from the Corps; helicopter mechanic then helicopter crew chief. After four years and an extremely unpleasant experience with a Staff Sgt, I got out. Civilian life sucked tennis balls through garden hoses. The Army was still a big NFW so I went Air Force. Stayed in helicopters and stuck it out for another 21 years. I miss the Corps. The esprit de corps was way better than the Air Force as a whole. In the helicopter related world, we were en par with all branches rotor winged maintenance.
Air Force has better food, better equipment, better billeting and better quality of life than all the other branches combined. The Air Force also has special ops. PJ’s, combat weather, combat controllers and TACP. Check with a recruiter to see what’s available.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Oct 22 at 2023 7:27 AM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 07:27:37 -0400

I’m Navy so only know that I am proud and honored to serve many times alongside both Marines and Soldiers. I couldn’t do what y’all do.

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Dec 6 at 2023 9:53 AM

SGT Mark Moen — Wed, 06 Dec 2023 09:53:42 -0500

Army vet here, Semper Fi.

Response by GySgt James Marchinke made Jan 3 at 2024 6:31 AM

GySgt James Marchinke — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 06:31:53 -0500

Four years in the Corps and over 16 in the Army. Promotions was quicker, lack of mission first with the Army, I do not regret switching branches , been retired 22 years and still feel great, mission first! Semper Fi!!

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jan 5 at 2024 11:52 AM

SSG Eric Blue — Fri, 05 Jan 2024 11:52:40 -0500

The following is based on my own experience in the military. Yours and someone else's may vary GREATLY from mine:

Marine Corps Pros:
Better-looking uniforms
Better general self-discipline within the ranks
More esprit de corps as a whole
Better adaptability rate to shit conditions

Marine Corps Cons:
Can be mentally debilitating
Fewer opportunities at advancement
Fewer quality opportunities at schools
Fewer in-service opportunities beyond being a Marine

Army Pros:
Better chances at schooling
More opportunities at advancement
More in-service opportunities beyond being a soldier
More chances to use better, state-of-the-art, cutting edge technology

Army Cons:
Uniforms aren’t as iconic
Less self-discipline within the ranks
Less holding each other accountable at all ranks and all levels
Worse adaptability to shit conditions

These are just some. Not all. But based on what I saw when I was in, you'd be good to go switching branches. The Marines I know who came over to the Army did very well. But think about it, weigh all the options being given by both branches, then decide which one is best for YOU! Not someone else.

Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Jan 7 at 2024 6:19 PM

SFC R. Lee Linebarger — Sun, 07 Jan 2024 18:19:17 -0500

Faster promotions and better choices if crayons.

Response by MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake made Jan 24 at 2024 7:18 PM

MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:18:00 -0500

Quickest way to make the next tank

Response by MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake made Jan 24 at 2024 7:22 PM

MSG Carolyn Hunter-Drake — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:22:31 -0500

I knew an outstanding Corporal who could not get the promotion. The Marine kept canceling his training, so he left, went to the next training station, got the promotion. Ended up CSM of the Army. His Marine Corps battles took ten years to get SSG

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 24 at 2024 7:53 PM

1SG John Millan — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:53:31 -0500

Bigger outfit, more training and advancement opportunities, less reindeer games.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2024 10:14 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:14:54 -0500

More opportunity to get promoted quicker

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2024 12:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Feb 2024 12:58:09 -0500

Going from Green to Green was pretty easy and I didn't give my respect to the Army...they earned it. When I was in the Corps and you screwed up, you didn't screw up...the TEAM did. It's quite a bit different in the Army, you are a professional and expected to learn from your individual mistakes and learn by them. Opportunities for schools are far above what the Corps would give (unless you were a 300 p.f.t'er). It is also easy to find someone else who came from the Corps and share similar experiences...they both have their advantages but the Army is just a lot larger and has a lot more opportunities.

Response by SSG Matthew Fox made Mar 26 at 2024 8:07 AM

SSG Matthew Fox — Tue, 26 Mar 2024 08:07:28 -0400

This is an old post, but I'll add my experience. I spent 6 years in the Marines as a CH-53D crew chief. This was mid- to late-80's and when reenlistment time came, the cutting score was so high that if I reenlisted, there was a good chance that I wouldn't see promotion. So, I made the difficult decision to get out. When I got out, I had some success in the civilian world but I really missed the camaraderie that only exists in the Armed Forces. So, I joined the Army and never regretted one minute of it. I started in Signals Intelligence and learned some very interesting skills. When I reenlisted, I became a Cav Scout where I excelled and found the job of a lifetime. I was lucky to join a tight knit group and fit right in and found a home. I truly enjoyed my time in the Army and was able to do things a lot of people would never have the opportunity to do.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Marine Corps and always will. There, I learned discipline, self-confidence and leadership. I was able to transfer these skills to the Army and made me the Soldier I was. As I said, I don't regret one second of the time I spent in the Army. I made some very close friends, I learned new skills and I was able to mentor some kickass Soldiers who went on to accomplish some badass shit.

I don't know if I would call it a disadvantage, but there was a learning curve joining the Army, but it wasn't anything too difficult. I did put up with some ball busting, but that comes with the territory. The lingo is a little different but infantry skills are the same. After wearing Marine dress blues, I had a very difficult time wearing Army dress blues, but after a mentor I had who was an LTC explained that it's not an insult but a testament to what I've become, I was able to change how I thought about wearing Army blues. I'm proud to also be able to claim the title Soldier and it's something that I will hold close to my heart until the day I die.

For those reading this who are considering the transition from blue to green, I would suggest seeking out a career Soldier and talk to them about your concerns and ask as many questions as you can. For me, making the transition from the Marines to the Army was not only rewarding, but it was a privilege as well. I hope my ramblings have helped and I wish you all the best in whatever you do decide with your military career.