What are the regulations on the wearing of the CBRN patch?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:55:55 -0500

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 11:02 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:02:31 -0500

Last I heard, you have to be on mission, white mission (homeland defense) or deployed would work. But I've also seen units wearing it when they weren't, I'd go with whatever they command team decided (if in a chemical company/bn/bde)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 11:03 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:03:03 -0500

This is an outstanding question!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 11:03 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:03:33 -0500

I asked about that when I was at SLC last April. It is now only authorized when actively engaged in CBRN ops. I also take that to mean notional CBRN ops during an ftx, and possibly while acting as OC/T during A CBRN training event at something like xCTC, but don't quote me on that last part

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 11:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:49:11 -0500

Of course APD not working for me tonight. But if I recall correctly in AR670-1 or DA PAM 670-1 "brassards are authorized for wear only while actively engaged in the duty associated with the brassard and identification of personnel is required, such as field operations and event response" only by 74 series in a 74 series billet.

So if you have 74 series as a secondary or primary but in a 92Y or something it is not authorized even if in a chem unit in a mission.

I believe same is truefor MP, CIED, and EOD.

Response by SSG Charles Holleran made Feb 6 at 2016 1:01 AM

SSG Charles Holleran — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:01:47 -0500

If your commander allows it it is fine

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 6 at 2016 1:11 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:11:32 -0500

Well... I would go with DA Pam/AR 670-1... Should be like an MP Brassard/Tab... only while performing actual MP duties. The Army has gone Tab/Patch Crazy... Once we just had the MP... now we have CBRN, EOD, CID... too many... I think....
21–30. Brassards
a. Authorization. Brassards are worn as ID to designate personnel who are required to perform a special task or to deal with the public. Brassards are authorized for wear only while actively engaged in the duty associated with the brassard and identification of personnel is required, such as field operations and event response. Brassards are not intended for wear while performing daily or routine job related activities. For example, a member of an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Team would wear the EOD brassard while actively conducting disposal operations in an environment where non-EOD personnel are present and identification of EOD personnel is necessary; the brassard is not worn while conducting staff activities, routine maintenance and preparations, or while in an on-call or stand-by status.

Response by TSgt David L. made Feb 6 at 2016 1:46 AM

TSgt David L. — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:33 -0500

CPT L S should be able to answer the question, being a CBRNE officer, although others, including COL Charles Williams seem to have answered it pretty well.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 8:23 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:23:12 -0500

Authorized when on CBRN mission. Most commonly C2CRE and deployment from my understanding.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 9:38 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 09:38:07 -0500

DA Pam 670-1, para 21-30. The CBRN patch is a "subdued brassard" as defined in para 21-30b(2).
Interestingly, you are only supposed to wear it when actively doing CBRN activities, not just for bumming around post. I just learned something today.

a. Authorization. Brassards are worn as ID to designate personnel who are required to perform a special task or to deal with the public. Brassards are authorized for wear only while actively engaged in the duty associated with the brassard and identification of personnel is required, such as field operations and event response. Brassards are not intended for wear while performing daily or routine job related activities. For example, a member of an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Team would wear the EOD brassard while actively conducting disposal operations in an environment where non-EOD personnel are present and identification of EOD personnel is necessary; the brassard is
not worn while conducting staff activities, routine maintenance and preparations, or while in an on-call or stand-by status.
b. Description.
(1) Nonsubdued. Nonsubdued brassards are made of cloth 17 to 20 inches long and 4 inches wide of colors specified below. When more than one color is specified for the cloth brassard, the colors are of equal width and run lengthwise on the brassard. Cloth brassards are worn on the left sleeve of the outer garment, with the bottom edge of the brassard approximately 2 inches above the elbow (see fig 21–145).
(2) Subdued. Subdued brassards are a rectangular shaped embroidered device with an overall dimension of 1 13/16 inches in height by 3 1/4 inches in width, all within a 1/8 border. The subdued brassard is a hook-an-loop insignia and is worn attached to the left sleeve of the combat uniform coat shoulder pocket flap (see fig 21–145).
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(4) Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear brassard.
(a) Nonsubdued. The nonsubdued CBRN brassard consists of the letters “CBRN” in golden-orange block letters, on a cobalt blue background.
(b) Subdued. The subdued CBRN brassard consists of four black letters “CBRN” 1–11/32 inches in height (see fig 21–150).

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2016 10:12 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 10:12:42 -0500

This is Chemical Dragon's facebook group's favorite question.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 11:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Feb 2016 23:15:30 -0500

In the past I believe the MP used to be at commanders discretion but now that is gone. I am glad that they did that. I seen this abused all the time. I would see MPs just walking around with their MP brassard on when they weren't on duty. To many people they see it as another cool patch they can wear.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2016 1:44 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:44:55 -0500

I'm not sure I'd wear it if I were a Chemical soldier, as it would identify me as the person who needs to cut grass and do CQ (SL1), run the gas mask room (SL2) or be the schools NCOIC / USR (SL3).

Response by MSG Tony Hodge made Nov 6 at 2016 9:49 AM

MSG Tony Hodge — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 09:49:46 -0500

how are people "just learning" this? Perhaps times have chanced but in 84 when i went to AIT were were taught this. is it only those that are authorized brassards that are taught what it is and when it is used?

Response by Ivy M made Aug 4 at 2017 9:52 PM

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Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2017 3:05 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 15:05:49 -0400

You may only wear it if 74 series as well as only when conducting CBRN operations as well as Gas chamber.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 1:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:27:19 -0400

Look in 670-1, you have to be actively working as a CBRN NCO to wear the patch. It was designed to help commander ID their CBRN personnel. But check the regulation to be sure.