What are the rules for an E-4 dropping you?

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:21:26 -0400

If we have an E-4 as a squad leader filling an E-5 position could they drop me just like a sergeant could, or would they have to do it with me? I have been getting conflicting responses.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Jul 22 at 2019 3:25 PM

SFC Michael D. — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:25:49 -0400

Are you in a training environment? If not, I would figure you be getting counseled instead of being dropped.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Jul 22 at 2019 3:27 PM

SP5 Peter Keane — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:27:06 -0400

It doesn't matter what insignia he/she wears on the front of their blouse, if they have been given the position of Squad Leader and you are in that Squad, you are required to do anything that is not illegal.

Response by CPL Gary Pifer made Jul 22 at 2019 4:33 PM

CPL Gary Pifer — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:33:20 -0400

Focus instead on learning your job... you might be in Iran soon.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jul 22 at 2019 6:43 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:43:47 -0400

AR600-20. Just get on down

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2019 7:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:07:09 -0400

In my command it is no longer a thing to drop down soldiers they consider it hazing with the new policies.

Response by SPC(P) Chandler Lonergan made Jul 22 at 2019 7:20 PM

SPC(P) Chandler Lonergan — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:20:05 -0400

Decades ago that was more of a leadership style. Dealing with the issue now has become the much more prevalent, mental training now. Thanks to an ever-growing knowledge base, just on what is now considered basic psychology learned in high schools, the benefit of that practice works in most cases.

HOWEVER, there will always be that head case you can't get through too! Physical training is the most effective for those but make sure you are ready to set the example your willingness, to and join that junior-enlisted person for that exercise session!

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jul 22 at 2019 9:34 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:34:07 -0400

Why would they drop you? If you are out of line of course

Response by CW3 Stephen Bacon made Jul 23 at 2019 2:08 AM

CW3 Stephen Bacon — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:08:47 -0400

Position of authority.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 3:43 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:43:40 -0400

They're your boss, push.
Doesn't matter their rank, when I was an E4 I was a terror. They could be a PFC and if they're you're boss and correcting you, you push.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 5:39 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:39:39 -0400

Nothing about this post was meant to imply I was opposed to corrective training in this manner. It was simply brought up in discussion and nobody had a hard and fast answer.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2019 8:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:21:03 -0400

I am an E4 squad leader at the moment, and although I have the authority to "drop" one of my guys, I have only done it once, and it was a pretty big screw up.

I prefer to redirect and train them when they are out of regs.

Someone on RP once told me " be the leader you would want to lead you" I try to lead with that in mind

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Jul 24 at 2019 9:53 AM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Wed, 24 Jul 2019 09:53:18 -0400

They can. Whether or not they should is another discussion.