Posted on Jan 10, 2021
What are the similarities and differences between the Navy tests involving all active personnel and 80/20 test using Reservists?
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<< These 1975 and 1976 Reports “Total Force” Policy developing integrating young non-prior reserve enlisted and the “potential problems” with the Navy 80/20 “test” >>
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA032080.pdf
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
Manpower and recruiting problems also directly affected readiness as well as impacting on training through increased requirements for retraining or for initial skill qualification. Since the outset of the no-draft era, we have had to rely to a great extent on veteran volunteers to meet our strength needs.
Although the recruiting of veterans has allowed us to meet our goals, over-dependence on veterans has some problems. SInce veterans come to the Reserve with their specialties already determined by prior training and experience, the ability to manage the specialties of personnel to match specific mobilization billet requirements is reduced because of geographic locations. In addition, large imputes of veterans increased the average grade and longevity of our manpower, resulting in higher pay costs. These were offset to some extent by reduction in the necessity to provide lengthy periods of initial training. As a result we have reached a point where we must now place greater emphasis on recruitment of young, non-prior service personnel.
Another aspect is to have the Guard and Reserve readily available under conditions other then a national emergency or a declaration of war. Such authority would demonstrate our swift response capability for mobilization and would serve as a warning to potential aggressors and as encouragement to our allies.
This legislation will enable the Services to plan for broader application of the “Total Force Policy” in satisfying contemporary national defense requirements. The “Total Force Policy” dictates that all available forces—U.S. Active Forces, U.S. Guard and Reserve Forces, and the forces of our allies—would be considered in determining the Defense needs to most future contingencies. In carrying out these missions, the volunteer potential of the Reserve Forces will continue to be fully exploited.
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
((The beginning. First to join the military at 18 you swear an oath to defend the constitution and go to bootcamp which creates a foundation to follow leaders and orders))
10 U.S.C. § 502 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 10. Armed
Forces § 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment oath. --Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
“I, _______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
The U.S. Constitution: Preamble
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
The United States Naval Test Pilot School trains the world’s finest developmental test pilots, flight officers, engineers, industry and foreign partners in full spectrum test and evaluation of aircraft and aircraft systems.
<< These 1975 and 1976 Reports “Total Force” Policy developing integrating young non-prior reserve enlisted and the “potential problems” with the Navy 80/20 “test” >>
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA032080.pdf
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
Manpower and recruiting problems also directly affected readiness as well as impacting on training through increased requirements for retraining or for initial skill qualification. Since the outset of the no-draft era, we have had to rely to a great extent on veteran volunteers to meet our strength needs.
Although the recruiting of veterans has allowed us to meet our goals, over-dependence on veterans has some problems. SInce veterans come to the Reserve with their specialties already determined by prior training and experience, the ability to manage the specialties of personnel to match specific mobilization billet requirements is reduced because of geographic locations. In addition, large imputes of veterans increased the average grade and longevity of our manpower, resulting in higher pay costs. These were offset to some extent by reduction in the necessity to provide lengthy periods of initial training. As a result we have reached a point where we must now place greater emphasis on recruitment of young, non-prior service personnel.
Another aspect is to have the Guard and Reserve readily available under conditions other then a national emergency or a declaration of war. Such authority would demonstrate our swift response capability for mobilization and would serve as a warning to potential aggressors and as encouragement to our allies.
This legislation will enable the Services to plan for broader application of the “Total Force Policy” in satisfying contemporary national defense requirements. The “Total Force Policy” dictates that all available forces—U.S. Active Forces, U.S. Guard and Reserve Forces, and the forces of our allies—would be considered in determining the Defense needs to most future contingencies. In carrying out these missions, the volunteer potential of the Reserve Forces will continue to be fully exploited.
3. To increase integration of Reserve Forces in active forces missions
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
((The beginning. First to join the military at 18 you swear an oath to defend the constitution and go to bootcamp which creates a foundation to follow leaders and orders))
10 U.S.C. § 502 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 10. Armed
Forces § 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment oath. --Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
“I, _______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
The U.S. Constitution: Preamble
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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One of my last active duty assignments was to review and modify sources of personnel assignments to reserve units in the event of mobilization in the late 80s. Prior to the project, key mobilization billets in many reserve units were filled by active duty augmentation personnel. The objective of the project was to reduce the number of the active duty augmentees and replace them with reserve personnel. Two results were anticipated. First, the number of billets to be filled by active duty personnel would be reduced, thereby reducing the required active duty personnel end strength and allowing the reduction of dollars required. Secondly, those billets that were filled by active duty personnel were primarily filled by more senior enlisted and officer personnel who were expert and current in the armament and tactical use of the type unit assets. The theory was that replacing the active duty augmentees with reservists, the opportunity for more promotions and reserve billets for more senior personnel would increase, thereby reducing the number of reservists promoted out of drilling reserve billets.
Unfortunately, the impact upon the reservists' civilian employment and employers, and the life of their families was not a consideration and resulted in a lot of hardships within reserve families when the units were activated for the first gulf wars.
Unfortunately, the impact upon the reservists' civilian employment and employers, and the life of their families was not a consideration and resulted in a lot of hardships within reserve families when the units were activated for the first gulf wars.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Sir,
Are you familiar with the TOTAL FORCE POLICY AND DEVELOPMENT AND CURRENT STATUS?
https://www.gao.gov/products/FPCD-78-82
Are you familiar with the TOTAL FORCE POLICY AND DEVELOPMENT AND CURRENT STATUS?
https://www.gao.gov/products/FPCD-78-82
DOD 'Total Force Management'--Fact or Rhetoric?
In addressing the need for competent management of the Department of Defense (DOD) work force, GAO found that each service has developed its own manpower systems and policies; consequently, the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) has not issued a clearly defined total force policy. This report assesses DOD ability to manage in the most cost-effective way all available manpower resources, which include active and reserve military,...
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LtCol Robert Quinter
PO3 Aaron Hassay - An interesting read and obviously the genesis of my work in the 80s. My point, and I feel it is just as valid today as then, is that the integration of the reserves strictly as an economy measure is fraught with many dangers. To accomplish the objective responsibly requires much more time and analysys than many realize and should be accomplished on the front end of manning the reserves. For instance, an infantry NCO in a reserve unit may be an executive in a defence related company where the individual's contribution to the overall defence capability is far more valuable than the contribution expected upon mobilization.
The reserves were once intended as an augment to active forces to be utilized when the defence requirements exceeded the capability of the active forces. When the active forces are reduced for economy, the result should be a reduction in commitments, not with mobilization of the reserves where the secondary impact of mobilization might have an impact far more costly than the savings realized by the original reduction in the DOD budget.
The reserves were once intended as an augment to active forces to be utilized when the defence requirements exceeded the capability of the active forces. When the active forces are reduced for economy, the result should be a reduction in commitments, not with mobilization of the reserves where the secondary impact of mobilization might have an impact far more costly than the savings realized by the original reduction in the DOD budget.
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