https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have seen many posts on Facebook in the Oldschool 95B page talking about the Army either eliminating the MP Corps or eliminating Garrison Law Enforcement from the mission.<br />I&#39;ve heard this rumor before, even when I was still in 35+ years ago. I do believe base law enforcement duties stateside will become more and more commonly handled by DOD Police allowing more personnel assigned to units to handle the changing and evolving wartime mission. There&#39;s been criticism about &quot;civilian&quot; police enforcing the laws on base, but the DOD Police aren&#39;t civilian. They work under the same authority and enforce all military regulations and policies as the MPs do. They also have the same responsibility to the UCMJ as any military member. I see no issues here. What do you say? Sun, 07 Jul 2024 20:03:25 -0400 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have seen many posts on Facebook in the Oldschool 95B page talking about the Army either eliminating the MP Corps or eliminating Garrison Law Enforcement from the mission.<br />I&#39;ve heard this rumor before, even when I was still in 35+ years ago. I do believe base law enforcement duties stateside will become more and more commonly handled by DOD Police allowing more personnel assigned to units to handle the changing and evolving wartime mission. There&#39;s been criticism about &quot;civilian&quot; police enforcing the laws on base, but the DOD Police aren&#39;t civilian. They work under the same authority and enforce all military regulations and policies as the MPs do. They also have the same responsibility to the UCMJ as any military member. I see no issues here. What do you say? SGT Greg Knytych Sun, 07 Jul 2024 20:03:25 -0400 2024-07-07T20:03:25-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8807417&urlhash=8807417 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The 1st time you get a parcel of POWs, and you have to sit on them because there is no MPs to turn them over to and no POW camps, they will change their tune pretty damn quick! SGM Bill Frazer Mon, 08 Jul 2024 12:26:00 -0400 2024-07-08T12:26:00-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8807452&urlhash=8807452 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Having commanded a Garrison, I can tell you DoD Police do not have the same responsibility to UCMJ as military members. Head on down to your local CPAC and the Union for that area and tell me what you find. There is some pros and cons to realigning the law enforcement mission from Garrison and creating a larger DoD contingent to take it on. The largest argument I can think of is if there is a law enforcement mission in a deployed environment, the MPs need to at least rotate through LE assignments so they can do it down range. Experience in patrol and investigation are essential. Only one way to get it… LTC Jason Mackay Mon, 08 Jul 2024 13:04:58 -0400 2024-07-08T13:04:58-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8807651&urlhash=8807651 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is an issue that has many threads tangled in the knot.<br /><br />DOD Police are not really a one-for-one tradeoff with MPs for garrison law enforcement. Just one of the considerations with DOD Police is the fact that they are civilian employees with union contracts and complex rules. Also, they work for the Garrison Commander, not the Tenant unit commander even when that tenant thinks they own the whole post. <br /><br />Another consideration is the simple fact that they are not seen as &quot;one of our own&quot; by soldiers and they don&#39;t see soldiers as one of their own either.<br /><br />Using MPs for garrison law enforcement in CONUS today is sometimes little more than busy work to give the MP unit something to do.<br /><br />MPs have a variety of wartime missions -- many of which simply don&#39;t get practiced very well in peacetime, even during exercises. Any thoughts about eliminating the MP Corps would need to include plans to meet those wartime missions. You don&#39;t need to look very far back in US military history to see instances of how bad things can get when those missions are not included in planning and staffing. <br /><br />I remain aghast that we failed to re-learn the lessons and failed to re-establish the Constabulary Corps. MSG Thomas Currie Mon, 08 Jul 2024 18:04:47 -0400 2024-07-08T18:04:47-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8807751&urlhash=8807751 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A few years ago, the AF in it&#39;s infinite stupidity...uh, I mean wisdom....thought eliminating the Security Forces AFSC and replacing them with DoD contract police would be a great &quot;cost saving&quot; measure. That proved to be a COLOSSAL failure when it came time for extra base/post patrols, increased security checks at sensitive asset (ie: WSU, critical infrastructure, etc), and sending troops downrange to secure airfields in Afghanistan and Iraq. The union(s) that control the DoD police units basically to the AF to go fornicate themselves as those functions were not part of their contract. Oddly, the 3P0X1 AFSC made a miraculous reemergence. MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P Mon, 08 Jul 2024 19:23:31 -0400 2024-07-08T19:23:31-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8809358&urlhash=8809358 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MP Corps is great experience if someone is wanting to continue in law enforcement after service ends. MP&#39;s are more respected than DOD officers. SGT Anthony Tipton Wed, 10 Jul 2024 09:47:58 -0400 2024-07-10T09:47:58-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8812971&urlhash=8812971 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>During my time in the National Guard, I was once a 13B. Our state needed 31Bs for deployments but didn&#39;t have enough in the state to fill all the missions. So to be able to fill everything that NGB had sent down, they retrained a whole BN at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO to complete these garrison missions. This was during &#39;04 - &#39;05 when the 25th MP BDE and the 25th INF BDE was in Afghanistan. Also units were deployed to replace AD units in Germany that were deployed to Afghanistan. After that deployment we had a 2 yr down time before our next deployment to Iraq in &#39;07 - &#39;08. The MP Corp has been around since Sep 1941 but has seen engagements since WW I, so in my opinion the MP Corp is here to stay. Either it be in garrison or in other duties!! MSG Bennie Davis Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:58:46 -0400 2024-07-13T22:58:46-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8830809&urlhash=8830809 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The navy does things like this on occasion, too. &quot;We can save money by eliminating/merging this rating!!!&quot;<br /><br />Eventually, we re-introduce the rating. I&#39;m still waiting for someone to have the common sense to split the LS ratings back into AK/SK. At that point, I can retire, since clear heads will have finally returned. LCDR Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 01 Aug 2024 01:26:03 -0400 2024-08-01T01:26:03-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8858507&urlhash=8858507 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A very stupid idea SPC Richard White Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:25:01 -0400 2024-08-31T23:25:01-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8860321&urlhash=8860321 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Been over 35 years since my ETS buy we fulfilled a role in central America no other type of unit could have. Back then in some 3rd world countries they are willing to accept MPs vs infantry because they saw them as less of a threat even though our MTOE was heavier than a light infantry unit. If this still holds true, I don&#39;t see how they can be eliminated. Not to mention the POW and battlefield traffic ops. 1LT Tony Chiavacci Tue, 03 Sep 2024 09:09:11 -0400 2024-09-03T09:09:11-04:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8899875&urlhash=8899875 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let me pose a completely different possibility.<br />Suppose we completely restructure the MP Corps, replacing it with a properly organized and properly equipped Constabulary Corps.<br /><br />Yes I realize this proposal is just 20 years late -- we should have seen the coming need after Gulf War I, and even the completely deaf dumb and blind should have seen it in the aftermath of Afghanistan and Gulf War II when we spent decades trying to use random combat arms units as Constabulary. MSG Thomas Currie Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:31:06 -0500 2024-11-04T13:31:06-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8907612&urlhash=8907612 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sounds like a bad &quot;rumor&quot;. COL Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 20 Nov 2024 08:53:16 -0500 2024-11-20T08:53:16-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8909015&urlhash=8909015 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The USCG has seven different roles, including:<br />Maritime Law Enforcement: The Maritime Law Enforcement mission program protects America&#39;s maritime borders, defends the Nation&#39;s maritime sovereignty, facilitates legitimate use of the waterways, and suppresses violations of U.S. Federal law on, under, and over the seas to include illegal migration and Transnational Organized Crime.<br /><br />The Army also has the United States Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), which I always thought was part of the MP Corp, but I suppose it isn’t really. <br />Why not transform the MP Corp into something like what the USCG does in the area of law enforcement, including what MP’s do during war time? MSgt Neil Greenfield Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:42:16 -0500 2024-11-22T15:42:16-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8909439&urlhash=8909439 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think we all know what it&#39;s like to deal with VA contractors. SP5 Donna Barr Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:48:44 -0500 2024-11-23T11:48:44-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8909483&urlhash=8909483 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unless things have changed over the last twenty years, military police are not just post police officers, they have a combat mission, which ranges from glorified infantry to rear area security. Then there the conflict resolution part. COL David Turk Sat, 23 Nov 2024 13:20:34 -0500 2024-11-23T13:20:34-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8909501&urlhash=8909501 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Personally I think it is stupid, reckless and an invitation for problems. This smacks of political maneuvering and some pencil pushing number cruncher selling this as a great idea because it means that they are delegating these functions to non war fighters and shifting military personnel over to different areas. SSG Brian G. Sat, 23 Nov 2024 13:51:41 -0500 2024-11-23T13:51:41-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8911710&urlhash=8911710 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In basic, I was told to escort an prisoner to the brig. He sat across from me in the back of a 3/4 ton. They handed me a 45 and said, If he escapes I would serve out his sentence. I put a round in the chamber, turned the safety off, and told him, &quot;I&#39;m not going to serve out your sentence. SPC Matt Ovaska Thu, 28 Nov 2024 08:57:42 -0500 2024-11-28T08:57:42-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8922740&urlhash=8922740 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was Military Police for thirty-years, as I also served in Correction, attended Military Security as well as Special Operation and I also served with DOD Police, they are just as qualify as military police and that free up Military Police to participate in field training, preparing them for the Battlefields condition. SGM Bobby Langford Sr Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:04:01 -0500 2024-12-24T15:04:01-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8923403&urlhash=8923403 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MPs = Mop Pushers…. MSG Frank Kapaun Thu, 26 Dec 2024 13:18:51 -0500 2024-12-26T13:18:51-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8923643&urlhash=8923643 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t see how they could remove military police units. One huge problem would come in combat zones. It is the MP units that deal with prisoners of war and others. They are also responsible for flow of military traffic and checkpoints for that traffic. Who do they think they will use in the next war? Civilian DoD employees in a combat zone? Yea good luck with that. PO1 Todd B. Thu, 26 Dec 2024 23:14:35 -0500 2024-12-26T23:14:35-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924091&urlhash=8924091 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Military Police throughout the Armed Services have a primary COMBAT SERVICE SUPPORT MISSION.<br /><br />That involves training in tactical communications, tactical operational planning and deployment. Heavy Weapons Training. They setup and run POW and Displaced Persons Compounds IAW GENEVA CONVENTIONS, UCMJ, MILITARY COMMISSIONS, CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT, and the SCOTUS.<br /><br />The MP MISSION needs advocacy from an MP CENTRIC COMMAND STRUCTURE.<br /><br />This is not a RENT-A-COP MISSION. <br /><br />This decentralization effort is stupid and shortsighted. LtCol Paul Bowen Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:40:59 -0500 2024-12-28T00:40:59-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924188&urlhash=8924188 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a former enlisted man, I HATE MPs! But someone has to do this kind of duty, so it&#39;s unlikely to ever happen. Remember, MPs don&#39;t just persecute poor, innocent soldiers. They also serve as traffic cops, provide rear-area security, and guard POWs. SPC James Fitzpatrick Sat, 28 Dec 2024 09:37:54 -0500 2024-12-28T09:37:54-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924201&urlhash=8924201 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The gross dereliction will come to fruition in about ten years when there are no peacekeepers on the battlefield or in garrison.<br /><br />Leadership has decided the only two sets of eyes and ears for the Commander, MP and Cav Scout are obsolete.<br /><br />May God save us from the imbeciles. 1SG Mark Colomb Sat, 28 Dec 2024 09:57:02 -0500 2024-12-28T09:57:02-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924249&urlhash=8924249 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Or, they can do what they did to us in the Air Guard. They made us (USAF Security Police) attend a 2 week Peace Officers course with the Sheriff’s Department. Which indemnified us on the civilian side of the house for civilian incidents, and to enforce the UCMJ on the military side of the house. TSgt Curt Pozgay Sat, 28 Dec 2024 12:53:16 -0500 2024-12-28T12:53:16-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924522&urlhash=8924522 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MPs are not a thing we have in the USCG, but my impression from a couple MP types I have met is that they possess certain skills that regular combat troops lack which prove valuable in a deployed and less than friendly environment. PO1 Kevin Dougherty Sun, 29 Dec 2024 00:30:44 -0500 2024-12-29T00:30:44-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924528&urlhash=8924528 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that it was a bad decision. I was a 95B10 and you need people that are of the troops to police the troops. These Dod are just rent a cops. SPC William Wells Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:24:42 -0500 2024-12-29T03:24:42-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8924664&urlhash=8924664 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is completely ridiculous. More and more of the Army is being contracted out. That may semi-work in a garrison environment, it is completely unworkable in a war time theater. This is the work of lobbyists trying to get contracts for donors. We saw this ridiculous BS in both Iraq and Afghanistan, jobs that should have been handled in house were contracted out to companies like Haliburton. Follow the money trail. SFC Eric Harmon Sun, 29 Dec 2024 14:34:27 -0500 2024-12-29T14:34:27-05:00 https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-army-eliminating-the-mp-corps?n=8984795&urlhash=8984795 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>DOD Police will protect the Troops and installations for their paychecks and overtime Military Police will protect the same based on honor, espirit de corps, soldiering and most of all with their lives OF THE TROOPS AND FOR THE TROOPS!!! Garrison Law Enforcement should be handled by MP’s, MPI, and CID civilian and government departments should be used in a secondary role or for ground and air transportation to permanent correctional facilities SGT Elder Franklin Jones Wed, 28 May 2025 13:57:20 -0400 2025-05-28T13:57:20-04:00 2024-07-07T20:03:25-04:00