What are your views on a NCO being Command list integration over a NCO being promoted through a board?

SGT Kevin Adams — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:09:38 -0400

I'm just curious of what are the views of a NCO being promoted CLI over being promoted over a board. Do you think that a NCO from one is potently better over another? Should CLI be removed as a form of promotion?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2014 10:19 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:19:35 -0400

SFC-SGM are all "DA select" by means of a board. All PV2-SPC are promoted based of the commanders decision. SGT and SSG are promoted by either a board or a command list integration (CLI). The CLI which is what I am assuming you mean by "DA select" is not DA! It is decided upon at the company level. Very few of those CLI Soldiers actually make the point cut off, though there have been some.

Response by SGT Kevin Adams made Sep 18 at 2014 10:22 PM

SGT Kevin Adams — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:22:50 -0400

I'm sorry I'm referring to a SPC. being promoted to SGT. through either a board or DA select.

Response by SSG(P) Auston Terry made Sep 18 at 2014 11:00 PM

SSG(P) Auston Terry — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:00:53 -0400

I'm not a fan of the CLI, the promotion board system exists for a reason and I'd like to see the CLI go away. That being said the CLI is here and has regulatory guidelines that must be followed; when the chain of command fails to perform the steps required to block a CLI promotion then the situation the program was designed for has occured.

I know fair number of NCOs that went to and were reccomended by a board that are outperformed by CLI promoted peers.

In the end it doesn't matter how they got thier stripes it matters what they are doing now and capturing that performance both good and bad.

Response by SPC David S. made Sep 18 at 2014 11:29 PM

SPC David S. — Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:29:42 -0400

From what I understand just because your on the CLI list doesn't mean your automatically promoted. If you don't pass APFT or your OMPF is a charlie foxtrot your not going to be promoted regardless of TIS/TIG. Also CO can have you removed from list. Additional to get point added you need to be recommended and go in front of a board for this to happen. Its not a give me.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2014 2:48 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:48:53 -0400

If a Soldier is picked up for promotion thru CLI, that MOS must be in a critical low MOS. It will not affect most of the Army. It doesn't bother me at all as long as Soldiers perform their duties assigned to them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2016 8:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:46:41 -0400

He hasn't happened to me but I have work along side NCOs who have been automatic promoted and they are great NCOs. To be honest, it's really easy to pass a promotion board. If the army needs NCOs, then as soldiers we need to follow what DA dictates. Some soldiers who were automatically promoted are not necessary those who couldn't pass a board. They could have been those who have changed their MOS. I had a SPC make SGT through automatic mainly because he failed to goto the board 2 times due to S1 losing his packet and 1 time because the PLT SGT forgot to submit before going on her leave.