SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2951700 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> 2017-09-27T11:45:03-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2951700

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2017-09-27T11:45:03-04:00 2017-09-27T11:45:03-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 2951704

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Won&#39;t the board take care of that?

2017-09-27T11:46:58-04:00 2017-09-27T11:46:58-04:00 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 2951707

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SOM board? Nothing really, I would just counsel him and let him know that there is a requirement to study for the board and that even though he is thinking of ETSing his plans may change.

2017-09-27T11:47:28-04:00 2017-09-27T11:47:28-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2951732

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This SM is set on ETSing. He was already sent to the board once and bombed it. As his NCO I want to make sure he is ready for the board. I do not want to go up there and have this SM make us both look bad. I can&#39;t force him to study if he doesn&#39;t want to. Barring him won&#39;t do anything since he&#39;s getting out. This SM has no desire to advance his career prior to ETSing. If it were up to me, I&#39;d just let him be BUT the chain of command is picking the Soldiers they want to go not the Soldiers who want to go.

2017-09-27T11:54:15-04:00 2017-09-27T11:54:15-04:00 SGM Erik Marquez 2951820

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Refuses?<br />Other than counsel him to consider all options, ETS might be the plan today, but plans change .. If next year the plan changes to stay in, would he rather stay in as his current rank or be set for or already promoted to the next higher one having studied and killed the promotion board.<br /><br />Perhaps he has a well planned goal post service and its not apathy, but well intentioned focus on the goal? <br />If not that, and he just is not interested in considering / planning for the future.. Make sure he hears the concerns and move on.

2017-09-27T12:21:19-04:00 2017-09-27T12:21:19-04:00 SGT David T. 2951879

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I will guess that this is being driven by your senior leadership. For the life of me, I never understood why Soldiers who clearly did not want to go to the board were pressured into going. I think it is a very bad idea. The Soldier stated they are going to ETS. That should be the end of the discussion. It should be a simple matter to put that on a counseling statement. &quot;You are not being recommended for the promotion board at this time because you have stated you do not have a desire to become a Noncommissioned Officer&quot;. If they change their mind, about ETS then reevaluate at that time. The Soldier is an adult and should be treated as such. They said they don&#39;t want to go and they are getting out. That&#39;s cool, they need to live with that.

2017-09-27T12:41:12-04:00 2017-09-27T12:41:12-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 2951880

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As others have provided, it seems like a lose-lose and the only thing that can be done would be negative counselings. They&#39;re in the military and that time between now and the ETS can be made to be a hard one if he&#39;s intent on not even trying. If he pisses off the CoC, there can be a lot of extra duties and CQs and area beautification in his future.<br /><br />On the other side, would some form of positive motivation work? If he does well, he&#39;ll get time off, or excused from duties, or something else that may appeal to him to try and do well.<br /><br />He could potentially get hit with various articles of disrespect and in that time between now and his ETS, earn something other than honorable discharge which would impact his benefits. Maybe he already has something lined up, but if he is counting on those benefits afterwards, he definitely would need to at least perform as an acceptable soldier while he&#39;s still in.

2017-09-27T12:41:29-04:00 2017-09-27T12:41:29-04:00 SGT Jim Arnold 2951960

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I really don&#39;t understand the CoC reasoning for pushing this SM into something he is not willing to put effort in it. Wouldn&#39;t it be better to get the ones more interested in advancement?

2017-09-27T13:16:19-04:00 2017-09-27T13:16:19-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2954194

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Tie him to a chair and water board him until he complies. But seriously there isn&#39;t anything you can do but counsel him on passing up this opportunity. If you see potential in the Soldier then continue to encourage him to change his mind. But he should not get any repercussions just because he doesn&#39;t want to go to the board.

2017-09-28T10:09:20-04:00 2017-09-28T10:09:20-04:00 TSgt Tommy Amparano 2958556

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Clear case of fraud, waste, and abuse. Why would your waste the time and money of those on the board for someone who has no desire to be promoted?

2017-09-29T18:10:18-04:00 2017-09-29T18:10:18-04:00 SSG Joseph VanDyck 2958568

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing. He has not shown interest to move up, he has stated that he wants to ETS. Let him do his job for the rest of his enlistment and good riddance.

2017-09-29T18:14:53-04:00 2017-09-29T18:14:53-04:00 SSG Joseph VanDyck 2958574

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why send him if he doesn&#39;t want to progress to a career. Send someone who does.

2017-09-29T18:16:26-04:00 2017-09-29T18:16:26-04:00 SGT Mathew Husen 2958584

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Explain to him what tbe IRR is, and becoming an NCO can benefit him incase he gets recalled.

2017-09-29T18:18:53-04:00 2017-09-29T18:18:53-04:00 SSG Trevor S. 2958663

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let him/her ETS next year. Find a Soldier who wants to advance and mentor them.

2017-09-29T18:59:11-04:00 2017-09-29T18:59:11-04:00 SSG Joseph Callan 2958819

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the soldier clearly doesn&#39;t want to be promoted, why force him/her to do so?

2017-09-29T20:38:51-04:00 2017-09-29T20:38:51-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 2958832

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing. If the SM doesn’t show interest in progression or future service then move on. Focus your attention on those who show interest. The military isn’t for everyone and not everyone is in for the long haul. Some just want to get in and get out, some want education benefits, some don’t know so they join to try it out. <br /><br />Let the SM ETS. If CoC wants to then give the SM a bar and move on.

2017-09-29T20:45:19-04:00 2017-09-29T20:45:19-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 2959135

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let him ETS

2017-09-29T23:39:20-04:00 2017-09-29T23:39:20-04:00 SGT Gregory Yelland 2959151

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ethically: I would say support his decision as you want his support in combat. However You did not say why or how he bombed the board the first time. Depending on how badly he failed that time and the ridicule he got for doing so MAY be a large part of his wanting to ETS. You could find out and try to help him overcome that by preparing for the board and making it. All part of KNOWING your troops and inspiring their confidence in you. Remember, how you treat this guy is seen and evaluated by his peers - those that follow you.

2017-09-29T23:59:35-04:00 2017-09-29T23:59:35-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2959175

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The e-4 Mafia see&#39;s the stress we go through as Sgt&#39;s and they say fuck that why add stress to an easy job. I&#39;m in the middle, I know shit but I&#39;m not in charge, I&#39;m not responsible for what happens

2017-09-30T00:45:06-04:00 2017-09-30T00:45:06-04:00 Norah Julmis 2960476

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Every SPC in my husband&#39;s unit was being forced to go to the board this summer.

2017-09-30T15:49:45-04:00 2017-09-30T15:49:45-04:00 SP5 Joel McDargh 2960508

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not a damn thing. To require a troop to study for the board who is more interested in leaving the service would be throwing away some other motivated troop&#39;s opportunity to move up in rank. Waste of time; waste of council; waste of money. Old saying goes that you can lead a horse to water, but you can&#39;t make it drink.

2017-09-30T16:11:17-04:00 2017-09-30T16:11:17-04:00 SFC Sean Berryman 2962481

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing: let him get out.

2017-10-01T13:46:38-04:00 2017-10-01T13:46:38-04:00 SGM Bill Frazer 3380201

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Probably a bar to reenlist.

2018-02-22T15:52:35-05:00 2018-02-22T15:52:35-05:00 SSgt Boyd Herrst 3495131

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don’t do anything except mark in his jacket that he is not the kind of closure they want. They obviously have other plans for their future and that future doesn’t include the Army.

2018-03-30T00:21:07-04:00 2018-03-30T00:21:07-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3947513

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I said the same thing on my first enlistment. Glad I did, as a recruiter now, I see how much of a pain in the ass it is to try and come back in as an NCO. And now I&#39;m looking at retirement. No one should be forced into going to any board, promotion, SOM or any other.

2018-09-08T16:08:17-04:00 2018-09-08T16:08:17-04:00 MSgt Dollar Bill Rutledge 3948230

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’m not sure what ETS is.

2018-09-08T21:11:43-04:00 2018-09-08T21:11:43-04:00 CPT Brad Wilson 3948575

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If he is not planning on staying in don’t send him send someone that is staying in and wants the promotion

2018-09-09T00:32:22-04:00 2018-09-09T00:32:22-04:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 3949085

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why force them? That is my question. If people don’t want to stay in, it because of a larger Army leadership problem than a promotion problem. Let them ETS.

2018-09-09T09:23:39-04:00 2018-09-09T09:23:39-04:00 MSgt George Bird 3949523

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well it’s their choice. But I’d rather say , as I did when I retired “ I was on the promotion list and declined to be able to retire as scheduled, it was right for my family”. Sounds better than not even trying. And as has been said already, minds change nice to knowing staying brings promotion and extra couple of bucks.

2018-09-09T12:25:18-04:00 2018-09-09T12:25:18-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 3949569

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don’t know much about it so i’m Not saying this is the correct course of action but what about a dec statement? Would that not stop the chain of command forcing the SM to go to a board and also force them to consider if they really want to get out or not? If they choose to do the 4991 then they can’t re enlist and will see their contract out to completion but will not promote, attend schools or go to a board. They will get what they want and will have to consider if they are true LT getting out now. I’m not 100% sure that’s exactly how it works but it’s my understanding so don’t slam me if i’m Wrong.

2018-09-09T12:36:32-04:00 2018-09-09T12:36:32-04:00 SFC David Patterson 3949642

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing. It is not Mandatory to go to the board. It&#39;s his call...if he wants to get out promote a soldier that is staying in...why waste the slot in the MOS.

2018-09-09T13:02:23-04:00 2018-09-09T13:02:23-04:00 GySgt Joe Strong 3949656

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ensure he has the support necessary to do his job until you release him to ETS separation counseling. That’s what should be done for him. <br />Why does someone choosing to let others compete for a slot they don’t want to occupy, knowing they plan to get out need negative consequences. Bottom lining it, they’re looking out for the needs of the service by letting another motivated member fill that slot. It would be worse if they selfishly took the slot and slowed the potential development of another leader or even worse, influenced that potential leader to leave the service also by blocking that opportunity.

2018-09-09T13:07:01-04:00 2018-09-09T13:07:01-04:00 SSG Brian Carpeneter 3949844

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I dealt with this on several occasions. I left the option up to them. A few went just in case but others chose not to. On this decision it&#39;s really up to the SM not you. Even if you think they are a great trooper, they may have other plans for their lives.

2018-09-09T14:44:11-04:00 2018-09-09T14:44:11-04:00 SSG Rick Miller 3949960

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why should anything be done? He doesn&#39;t want to go before the board, he plans to ETS, end of story. Do a CYA counseling statement, explain his options, summarize his own decision. He signs, you sign, all done. Don&#39;t force him to do the board, don&#39;t hassle him about it.

2018-09-09T16:11:42-04:00 2018-09-09T16:11:42-04:00 PFC Dean Sullivan 3949970

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Force a soldier to do something and you will not only lose their respect but possibly any extra effort they put in even when you aren&#39;t looking. If they have plans for the outside and are deadset on ETS then let them. Do a CYA counseling saying you offered and they declined but no negative repercussions will come of it. You may just find when you get out of uniform and ets or medsep yourself that they will end up being a very valuable asset in the civilian side of things.

2018-09-09T16:19:14-04:00 2018-09-09T16:19:14-04:00 SGM Ronald Cheatom 3950035

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Leave him alone. Do not WASTE a slot on someone, who is not going to stay. You can&#39;t force leadership on someone who doesn&#39;t want it, and will not be around.

2018-09-09T16:54:07-04:00 2018-09-09T16:54:07-04:00 PO1 Michael Turnbeaugh 3950145

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why is everyone recommending a counselling statement? Lack of desire to study is an indication that the SM doesn&#39;t have at least one of the requisite traits for promotion. It&#39;s the responsibility of the SM to choose whether to attempt promotion. Some people just don&#39;t want the added responsibility that goes with a promotion. I had a SM work for me for three years. She reported in as an E1 and left as an E5. Had she not gotten married and decided to follow her husband, I&#39;m sure she would have continued on upward. Conversely, I had two others in the same office that were E5 when they started working for me and still were E5 a couple years later when I transferred out. They were quite happy with their level of responsibility and didn&#39;t want to move up to do my job. Their choice and no skin off my nose as they did a good job as an E5.

2018-09-09T17:58:36-04:00 2018-09-09T17:58:36-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3950561

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing...let him ETS.

2018-09-09T19:56:36-04:00 2018-09-09T19:56:36-04:00 SFC Quinn Chastant 3950826

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was first recommend to go before the boards for E5, I expressed to my NCO&#39;s that I did not feel I was ready personally to take that step. My chain of command accepted my position, my subsequent development, in my own hind sight confirms I made the correct call for myself at the time even though it delayed my career progression. I had re-enlisted as well.

2018-09-09T21:30:49-04:00 2018-09-09T21:30:49-04:00 CW2 Stephen Pate 3950855

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So everyone for the most part is saying don&#39;t force the SM, which I agree with, as it isn&#39;t mandatory. Tell me this though, why is it then mandatory to counsel an eligible Soldier every month? Sure, give them their monthly counseling and cover that as a point in said counseling along with every other aspect of their performance, but to have to do a separate one every month for that is a stupid and a waste of leaders time but a commom requirement.

2018-09-09T21:46:07-04:00 2018-09-09T21:46:07-04:00 SSG Grant Hansen 3950867

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Do nothing. <br /><br />If he wants to stay at his current rank, let him. I&#39;m sure there is another soldier that would love to get that promotion.<br /><br />Also, if he did go to the board, pass it and get promoted, he would likely still ETS. You would then have an empty slot that has to be filled. So why not cut out the middle step and promote someone that actually wants to be promoted?

2018-09-09T21:51:58-04:00 2018-09-09T21:51:58-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3950968

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let the Soldier prepare for civilian life: ACAP, take civilian education rather than study for the board, make a solid plan for his future. If you&#39;re giving the Soldier time during the duty day to study, sure.. Than you could make him study for that, but beyond that you could counsel sm for refusal to study during duty day.

2018-09-09T22:54:38-04:00 2018-09-09T22:54:38-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 3950979

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Make him a CPL and give him all the BS E5 jobs

2018-09-09T23:01:40-04:00 2018-09-09T23:01:40-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3951725

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Leading Soldiers is serious business. If he doesn’t want the responsibility, he won’t make a good NCO. If he is in his primary zone and has to go to the board send him. The board doesn’t have to recommend him for promotion. He will be barred from re-enlisting but he doesn’t seem to mind. If he changes his mind before he ETS’s he can always go back to the board.

2018-09-10T08:31:00-04:00 2018-09-10T08:31:00-04:00 SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales 3951868

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let him make space for someone new that wants to advance.. it&#39;s still a choice, just make sure you put it on counseling so it doesn&#39;t come back to bite the NCO in the arse!! Should the Soldier change their mind and then throw you under the bus saying he wasnt counseled or such about advancement.

2018-09-10T09:32:23-04:00 2018-09-10T09:32:23-04:00 SPC Denton McLaughlim 3952020

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Let him ETS in peace.

2018-09-10T10:26:30-04:00 2018-09-10T10:26:30-04:00 SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM 3952077

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You just can not be made to go to the board, Just walk in and tell the members of the board and the CSM you are not prepared to go to the board and see fit since your leaving serve it is taking a spot from another soldiers who wants to go

2018-09-10T10:47:19-04:00 2018-09-10T10:47:19-04:00 SGT Bradford Carmichael 3952134

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Joshua88

2018-09-10T11:08:29-04:00 2018-09-10T11:08:29-04:00 MSgt Michael Smith 3952616

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why would you force such a person to go to the board in the first place? If they want to ETS, then let them -it&#39;s their choice. Do you want them to study for their own good or for the unit to look good. I ask because they&#39;ve already made their desires pretty clear, so why try to force their hand? Let them make their own decisions regarding their promotion and career path.

2018-09-10T14:28:34-04:00 2018-09-10T14:28:34-04:00 SPC Kevin Ford 3952756

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not everyone is interested or suited to leadership positions. Why force it? Do you really want an NCO who doesn&#39;t want to be an NCO?<br /><br />Are we sure that this is really in the soldier&#39;s and military&#39;s interest or is there something else at play?

2018-09-10T15:39:14-04:00 2018-09-10T15:39:14-04:00 LT Mark Schneider 3952790

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have seen similar issues in the Navy. Sailors being forced to take the advancement exams only for them to show up and make Christmas trees or C the way all through the exam. If the SM has decided not to advance all the CoC can really do is document and move on. But for some reason many commanders refuse to move on.

2018-09-10T15:51:47-04:00 2018-09-10T15:51:47-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 3952902

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s your job to progress, and become a leader. You get paid to do it. You get free taxed resources to do it. Maybe we should stop automatically promoting soldiers due to the lack of motivation. What soldiers forget is you get payed well to come to work. Think of your warrior ethos, and creeds. I thought I would get out and still went to the board. I owed it to my leaders for molding and teaching me their craft and skills.

2018-09-10T16:52:57-04:00 2018-09-10T16:52:57-04:00 SGT Russell G. 3953019

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>People who don&#39;t want to be an NCO will probably make bad NCOs. That&#39;s just my thought on the matter.

2018-09-10T17:26:48-04:00 2018-09-10T17:26:48-04:00 1SG Robert Hess 3953206

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree with most here. If the guy doesn’t want a promotion leave him be. There may be the one in a million that doesn’t know he or she is going to be the next CSM of the Army and just needed that extra push. Most just need to move out, did their time served their country. Be happy, make the recruiters get more. That’s what I had to do.

2018-09-10T18:33:04-04:00 2018-09-10T18:33:04-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3953279

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Um, don’t send him to the board? That should be a privilege.

2018-09-10T19:15:38-04:00 2018-09-10T19:15:38-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3953295

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This was always a struggle when I was active, basically I had two units, one that said you could not attend the board until you were ready, they would even make a mock board. The other would nearly force every eligible troop to go, the thought is of they get promotable then they will reenlist. I have always said that a proportion is on the soldier, and the leader is there to help if they ask. So leader should ever push a soldier to the board, those soldiers are nearly worthless as leaders. <br />P.S. as a guardsman now, I find many career specialists. And many are good at being a soldier but fail as an NCO, so there is no problem in my mind about that, as long as it&#39;s their choice.

2018-09-10T19:29:30-04:00 2018-09-10T19:29:30-04:00 PO1 Barbara Matthews 3953358

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I never understood why someone in any branch of the military didn&#39;t want to be promoted. I mean if for any other reason but to make more money. I was motivated for pay and added privileges that came with a higher pay grade. A little self serving maybe, but I was willing to give back and step up to the responsibilities expected of me.<br /><br />I guess for some, they are buying their time and waiting to get out at the end is service. As long as they remain productive I can respect that too. A gentle counseling would be appropriate to find out what is in their head and see what could be done to motivate the service member. If they are adamant that they don&#39;t want a promotion and want out, then focus on the service members whom want and need the support.

2018-09-10T19:43:30-04:00 2018-09-10T19:43:30-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 3953365

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well it&#39;s been a year since the original post. Does Sgt Steven Sargent have an update on this SM. I wasn&#39;t given the opportunity to study for the 6 board.. It was &quot;Hey, Whitmire, there&#39;s a board tomorrow, be there.&quot; I got the recommendation, Only question I had trouble with was field sanitation, what body parts should washed daily in the field? My bad, since I was Company FS NCO at the time.

2018-09-10T19:44:41-04:00 2018-09-10T19:44:41-04:00 CPT Martin Krievs 3953628

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing. Back in the ‘60’s we had many heavy truck drivers who turned down promotion or even did things to get busted back to SP4 so they could stay behind the wheel. Up or out costs the army lots of training $$$$.

2018-09-10T21:36:27-04:00 2018-09-10T21:36:27-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 3953688

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I say leave the soldier alone. You will be taking away a spot for someone else to get promoted if this soldier goes to the board and gets promoted. The counseling is too easy to do and turn in to the 1SG on why they are not going to the board. All you have to do is keep the same write up and just change the date so you are documenting it every month as to why they are not going to the board.

2018-09-10T22:05:15-04:00 2018-09-10T22:05:15-04:00 CSM Andrew Perrault 3953708

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just counsel the Soldier, and let him do his job.....

2018-09-10T22:24:18-04:00 2018-09-10T22:24:18-04:00 SPC Kyle Williams 3953753

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not everyone is cut out to be a NCO. And if said person realizes this then i would commend them on knowing their limits

2018-09-10T22:51:58-04:00 2018-09-10T22:51:58-04:00 SPC James Jackson 3953826

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nothing.. do a counseling session, have the soldier sign his/her counseling acknowledging that they understand that their choice of actions will lead to a specific eventuality. Since they dont want to improve themselves, give the opportunity to another soldier who really wants it...

2018-09-10T23:37:00-04:00 2018-09-10T23:37:00-04:00 SPC John Fitzgerald 3953865

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why make him, there was a time when you could be a career private. I re-enlisted as an sp4 and thought I was going to make it a career. Then I started seeing what some of the e5 e6 put up with. I made one hell of good 4 yr. SP4. And I had it very well off. No one ever messed with me, including nco’s. I was the go to guy to get anything needed. If a guy is happy where he is at great I have a happy soldier. Sometimes that’s hard to find. I don’t always agree with the up or out attitude, though I understand it. And it was hard at times to get points. I saw plenty of guys waiting for e5 a very long time. They got pissed every time promotions came.and they weren’t on it again. My first 3yrs were so much harder than my second 4. Sp4 moffia ruled

2018-09-11T00:02:23-04:00 2018-09-11T00:02:23-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 3954315

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In the old days you could just be in the army. Some Joes are being good at being Joe. To resolve this we should bring back the spec5 spec6 rank

2018-09-11T07:05:31-04:00 2018-09-11T07:05:31-04:00 SFC Freddie Johnson Sr. 3954325

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>With no effort comes no reward. If during counseling the soldier has expressed no desire to attend, cut bait and move on. He/she may be a great soldier and has the potential to be a great NCO, but if he/she has other plans for their future, then so be it. For every soldier that doesn&#39;t want this opportunity, there are 10 more waiting in the wings working hard for it. HooAhh!

2018-09-11T07:12:40-04:00 2018-09-11T07:12:40-04:00 CW3 Kevin Storm 3955437

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don&#39;t send him/her to the board, give them a counseling statement where they admit they are not interested, and advise them of those ramifications.

2018-09-11T13:49:47-04:00 2018-09-11T13:49:47-04:00 SPC(P) Mike Conley Jr. 4187904

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think if they don&#39;t want to work for something that they don&#39;t want to do that they shouldn&#39;t have to. Leadership&#39;s job is to give them the tools for success. Not force somebody&#39;s career. Micro management, making a big deal out if things that shouldn&#39;t matter, and political correctness is killing retention. When I was at an FTX in 2016 I met a 20 year SPC. He did his job, did what he was told, and was an all around good soldier. What&#39;s wrong with wanting to just do your job and keep your head down? He didn&#39;t want the responsibility of being an NCO amd all of the crap that comes with it. Why should he have to move up?

2018-12-06T16:26:36-05:00 2018-12-06T16:26:36-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 4607526

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In Soldier, do you mean E4 and below or NCO. It can result in a Negative Counseling or poor NCOER. The individual still owes it to the Army and themselves to perform well and execute tasks in a professional manner. I, myself, was a young SGT once planning on getting out on my ETS date. I even signed a Declination of Service Statement. My CSM was highly offended and still sent me to the SSG board, which I informed him was regulatory incorrect. Needless to say, there is more to the story and look at me now. It has been 15 years since I signed the statement and adamantly told the Retention NCO I was getting out. I am due to be promoted to Major early in 2020.

2019-05-06T05:46:45-04:00 2019-05-06T05:46:45-04:00 2017-09-27T11:45:03-04:00