What can be done to improve the Space Force dress uniforms? What do you think of them?

SSG Carlos Madden — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:00:13 -0400

Space Force released a prototype of their dress uniforms. I don't 100% hate the jacket, it's certainly unique, but the trousers are terrible. This is really just for fun and get get some general, community feedback.

Jacket: 6.5/10
Pants: .5/10

Overall: NO GO

Response by Capt Brandon Charters made Sep 21 at 2021 3:07 PM

Capt Brandon Charters — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:07:01 -0400

We definitely didn't need the mismatched top & pants. The badge on the abdomen isn't sitting well with me either. Maybe they designed these knowing the personnel will be putting them on in a dark, zero G environment.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Sep 21 at 2021 3:12 PM

LTC Kevin B. — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:12:35 -0400

What can be done? I say "Start over". The overlapping jacket and the weird buttons are just wrong. Completely agree on the pants.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 3:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:29:15 -0400

They look so much like Star Trek I almost had to vote this article down. What in God's name are they thinking? MHO

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 3:30 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:30:23 -0400

Personally the jacket is okay, I'll give it a 7. The pants don't match at all. I was hoping more of a futuristic look. Something more like this. The buttons I don't like the buttons.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 3:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:31:55 -0400

Lawdy, that's ugly. I would have loved to have been in that meeting.

Okay, gents, let's take everything every SM hated about their uniforms and make one out of all of them.

HRUMPH?

HRUMPH!!!

That man didn't give me a HRUMPH!!

Give the Sergeant Major his HRUMPH!!!

hrumph...

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 21 at 2021 3:33 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:33:28 -0400

1) Either have a mandarin collar, or don't. The current "tank top" version of a mandarin collar is hideous.

2) Add a vertical stripe to the pants. Plain pants with no contrast are just boring.

3) Align the buttons/flap vertically, and add a lighter colored waist belt for contrast. Similair in color to the pants.

4) If you're going to have decorative stripes on your sleeves, do something with meaning, whether it be time in combat, time in service, time in space, etc... Don't just throw random stuff on there with no meaning...

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Sep 21 at 2021 3:43 PM

MSG Greg Kelly — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:43:44 -0400

Well you can tell someone from the Air force has been reading to many Scify books.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 21 at 2021 3:57 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:57:47 -0400

The Mess Dress are going to be banging....

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 4:01 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:01:23 -0400

Ridiculous, they need to start over.

Response by SSgt Tyler Rapsey made Sep 21 at 2021 4:22 PM

SSgt Tyler Rapsey — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:22:33 -0400

Overall, it’s a bad look. Not a fan. But, I’ll never be wearing it

Response by SGT Dan Theman made Sep 21 at 2021 4:38 PM

SGT Dan Theman — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:38:30 -0400

With out trying to be over critical I do believe they appear to be retro civil war. I personally do not agree with Space Force as I’m my humble opinion it makes it sound like the agency they are trying to create is juvenile and just a kid playing with soldiers, rockets and Buzz Lightyear.

I would like to have seen it as Airforce Special Service unit like our Rangers, Special Forces, Delta team etc. They could have utilized the standard Airforce uniforms with a slight modification like a infantry style armcord or a different head covering.
Hopefully they’ll change the name and the inform you be more realistic

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 4:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:42:09 -0400

I honestly don't care since I'm not in nor will I ever be in the Space Force.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 4:43 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:43:07 -0400

Looks like the designer was once working as a hotel bellhop and their favorite book is starship troopers. They then seasoned it to taste with star trek. Yea. Back to the drawing board, please.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 21 at 2021 4:54 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:54:41 -0400

Why did they go Treki.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 5:25 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:25:03 -0400

I hope they change it drastically, but I'm not in the USSF and will never have to wear (or probably even see the uniform). The Air Force has been known to toss uniform ideas out and reel them back soon after. When the AF was made a separate service from the Army it took a while to get insignia and uniforms changed. The insignia changed considerably at first, but the uniforms did not. Since then, though, the uniforms have become more distinctive (in both good and bad ways). Space Force will take time to grow and become their own. Most people have an aversion to change. I'm sure many Army folks of the late 40s argued against many of the changes that brought about the Air Force and then built its foundation, but it has served us well since then.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 5:57 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:57:57 -0400

Gray jacket, gray pants.

Solved.

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Sep 21 at 2021 5:58 PM

SFC Randy Hellenbrand — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 17:58:31 -0400

Yuk!!!!!!!!

Response by Maj John Bell made Sep 21 at 2021 6:32 PM

Maj John Bell — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:32:55 -0400

Use the same cut as Marine Corps Dress Blues, different colors.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 6:52 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:52:35 -0400

This looks ridiculous. Not an American concept uniform. Looks European.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 6:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:55:52 -0400

The color choice works.

The pants need to be tightened up a bit and consider adding a silver or black lampasse (trouser stripes).

As for the jacket... That's an odd choice with the diagonal button up front and what I think is a mandarin collar. If they want to keep the mandarin collar they need to do vertical buttons.

I would recommend something similar to the ASU coat in the cut, as this would allow for a more symmetrical appearance for awards and other accoutrements. Additionally that style of jacket would compliment the use of a tie, where this does not. This would also allow for the nameplate to be moved, because it looks awkward under the ribbon rack.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Sep 21 at 2021 7:13 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 19:13:43 -0400

Pretty much everything Netflix came up with was better.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 7:21 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 19:21:34 -0400

He looks more like a steward on the Titanic. Oh no no no.

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Sep 21 at 2021 8:03 PM

SSG Jack Scott — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:03:30 -0400

Lots of Red Shirts You’re going to need lots of them

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 8:18 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:18:23 -0400

Looks like a raid on almost every sci-fi show out there. But hey, not too bad a first try. Better than some of the trolling attempts already out there.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2021 8:24 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:24:05 -0400

Battlestar Galactica comes immediately to mind

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Sep 21 at 2021 9:59 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 21:59:36 -0400

What in the actual f… is going on with those buttons?!

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Sep 21 at 2021 11:58 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:58:49 -0400

Don't care what they wear, just not a fan.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2021 1:25 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 01:25:53 -0400

If they actually had to press / starch with a seam in the trousers I could see it being a go. Jacket reminds me of the jackets I see in SciFi military uniforms (Star Citizen UEE Navy for example is very similar)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2021 2:10 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 02:10:09 -0400

I'm just not impressed with them, being retired I don't have to worry about wearing them either

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2021 10:53 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:53:04 -0400

Very "If Hugo Boss was out..."

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Sep 22 at 2021 11:37 AM

SPC Steven Depuy — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:37:23 -0400

Even though I am born an Air Force brat, and was born at Dover AFB. I tend to care little about the Chair Force, their offshoots, uniforms, training standards, and high tech fighters. To the A-10 pilots, your beers and booze will always be on me in a bar. To the C-130 pilots, the same. The rest of it, while appreciated as your part in things might be, its not something I loose sleep over. If you want to serve and want to sham, its the place to go. I thought the Space Force was a good idea, so they get their own budget, and don't get whats left over after F-35's and the next concept that does not live up to promises, since everything we do depends on satellites anymore. But I don't care what their uniforms look like, not like the USS Enterprise is being built in Area 51 right now. Or they actually have a working Star Gate hidden away and are working on protecting us from foreign aliens right now.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Sep 22 at 2021 12:20 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:20:14 -0400

Definitely different but incorporates pieces of other traditional military uniforms. High collar used in Navy and Marine Corps uniforms and on a test USAF uniform. Also Army WWI era Army uniforms. Stream of buttons looks to have come from 19th Century Cadet uniform or from Star Trek. Black and grey color scheme isn’t bad. Space is black. I like it overall.

Response by MSgt Aaron Brite made Sep 22 at 2021 12:37 PM

MSgt Aaron Brite — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:37:54 -0400

Pants look like someone threw them at her at random without looking at the tag or fitting before hand.
Why where a tie with this jacket design? Would a tab or something similar be way more comfortable and practical for all wearers?

Response by SFC Jay Spreitzer made Sep 22 at 2021 12:48 PM

SFC Jay Spreitzer — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:48:33 -0400

Awful

Response by PO3 David Davis made Sep 22 at 2021 1:13 PM

PO3 David Davis — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:13:43 -0400

They are kidding. Who came up with this.

Response by MAJ Haris Balcinovic made Sep 22 at 2021 3:37 PM

MAJ Haris Balcinovic — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:37:08 -0400

So is this one of those "Who wore it better" things or is it more of a copyright infringement situation?

Response by MAJ Gerald Hansen made Sep 22 at 2021 4:21 PM

MAJ Gerald Hansen — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:21:30 -0400

How do you earn your wings? I’ve ridden an ejection seat simulator, wings please.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Sep 22 at 2021 5:42 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:42:03 -0400

Obviously the new Space Force uniform design is really a plot by a couple of senior officers from the Air Force who got caught up in the split and expect to go back. These new "uniforms" would pretty much put a stop to the other services laughing at the Air Force uniforms with their no-shine not-brass and their collection of badges and awards designed by a kindergarten student with ADHD.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Sep 22 at 2021 5:45 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:45:13 -0400

LTC Tom Jones I Love the new Space Force Uniforms!

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made Sep 22 at 2021 5:49 PM

SPC Nancy Greene — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:49:16 -0400

LTC Tom Jones I like the jackets; however the men’s trousers could use some improvement...just my two cents

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Sep 22 at 2021 6:15 PM

SFC Randy Hellenbrand — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:15:04 -0400

YUK!!!!!!!!!! Nuff said.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2021 6:27 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:27:59 -0400

Looks like a chef's uniform

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Sep 22 at 2021 7:44 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 19:44:24 -0400

Pathetic, SSG Carlos Madden. Seems like a bellboy uniform to me!

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 23 at 2021 1:51 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:51:47 -0400

I was expecting different colors for different MOS/fields.

Yes, like Star Trek.

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Sep 23 at 2021 5:50 PM

Cpl George Goodwin — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:50:38 -0400

It looks like they took too much inspiration from science fiction movies.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2021 7:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:15:01 -0400

BELLHOPS IN SPACE!

Response by SCPO Art Michel made Sep 24 at 2021 4:41 PM

SCPO Art Michel — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:41:28 -0400

Maybe instead of ribbons and/or medals on the breast, a “communicator” could be worn. Anyone inquiring could just speak into it and in return, all earned awards, designators, and qualifications could be verbalized back from the device.

Response by CSM Thomas Ray made Sep 26 at 2021 5:41 PM

CSM Thomas Ray — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 17:41:45 -0400

I think they need to go back to the drawing board, unless they are going to issue some "Spock" ears to go with it.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Nov 1 at 2021 10:11 AM

SMSgt Thor Merich — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:11:14 -0400

Nope

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Nov 12 at 2021 8:27 PM

Lt Col Kevin Wyman — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:27:30 -0500

Scrap it and start over. This uniform (costume) looks like it belongs on a sound stage on a Star Wars set. I am sure the Uniform Office for the Space Force could do better!

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Nov 13 at 2021 12:55 AM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:55:17 -0500

Not a fan!

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Nov 13 at 2021 9:47 PM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 21:47:39 -0500

Folks, people aren’t taking Space Force seriously anyway. This uniform pours gas on that fire. It didn’t even look good on “Star Trek”. Hire a new tailor, and a good marketing company.

Response by TSgt Daniel Newman made Nov 14 at 2021 1:09 PM

TSgt Daniel Newman — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:09:08 -0500

Get new models for Christ's sakes they look like their straight out of some Alien 3rd Reich platoon

Response by Maj Gordon Hunter made Nov 14 at 2021 10:53 PM

Maj Gordon Hunter — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 22:53:52 -0500

Get rid of the entire stupid concept, pull Space back into the USAF and admit that billions were wasted on a political stunt?

Response by SSG Chris Duffee made Nov 16 at 2021 7:26 AM

SSG Chris Duffee — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 07:26:15 -0500

If anything like other branches ? They’ll change it ever year anyway, you’ll be fine !

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Nov 16 at 2021 10:17 AM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:17:52 -0500

Warren County, NC HS got one of the first 10 Space Force JROTC units. On TV, they had a COL and MSGT that said they were Space Force wearing standard blue AF uniforms. The cadet had blue regular uniforms with a Space Force JROTC patch on the left shoulder. Promotions must be fast in USSF to have a COL and MSG already. I figured maybe some LTs and maybe E-5s.

Response by Sgt Skip Riffle made Nov 16 at 2021 8:14 PM

Sgt Skip Riffle — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 20:14:54 -0500

I don't care for it. A bit more thought is definitly needed.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Nov 16 at 2021 8:48 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 20:48:57 -0500

These are the Star Trek uniforms they should use =0)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2021 9:18 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:18:20 -0500

Not a fan of buttons not centered

Response by SSG Fletcher Brown made Nov 18 at 2021 1:17 PM

SSG Fletcher Brown — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:17:49 -0500

The uniform looks like a parody of a Star Wars and Star Trek love child. You can do better Space Force

Response by Sgt Joseph Picone made Nov 18 at 2021 5:54 PM

Sgt Joseph Picone — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:54:00 -0500

Please refer to "Star Trek" for help

Response by SPC Matthew Springett made Nov 18 at 2021 6:42 PM

SPC Matthew Springett — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:42:13 -0500

It's just fluff. How often are they actually going to be wearing the dress uniforms? I am more interested in the day today uniforms they're going to have to wear. And what they're actually going to be doing is also an important thing. The whole idea of the dress uniform is just fluff for the news and has no bearing on the actual jobs that they're doing.

Response by PO2 William Leonard made Nov 19 at 2021 1:11 AM

PO2 William Leonard — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 01:11:14 -0500

Space Force or Startrek? The colors aren’t bad the fit should clean classic and timeless. The Space Force badge is a little overbearing and probably limited to the head gear.

Response by Nancy McCain made Nov 19 at 2021 3:11 PM

Nancy McCain — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:11:24 -0500

The postal service tailor was in charge of the pants. Shirts and conventional ties must go! The jacket is a good start but it appears they ran out of buttons too soon.

Response by SPC(P) Warren Soriano made Nov 20 at 2021 7:03 PM

SPC(P) Warren Soriano — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 19:03:39 -0500

There will be no new uniform that will win over everyone - especially members of this group. Whatever is the final product, it will be made fun of. The consideration they must be facing is that they are a new branch with a mission towards securing the high-ground - space. The uniform must reflect that. Its origins are USAF. so it can't look too much like them. Much like the USMC does not resemble the USN at all, despite their Dept of the Navy origins. For some, it'll take some getting used to.

Response by CPT Steven Cunningham made Nov 21 at 2021 2:47 PM

CPT Steven Cunningham — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:47:04 -0500

Start over. Not black (ever stood in the sun in black?)

Response by SPC Adam Dinitz made Nov 26 at 2021 10:21 PM

SPC Adam Dinitz — Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:21:05 -0500

remove the star trek logo. make it look like a space suit. grey digital camo would be cool. look to spacex or spifi movies they seem to do it well. Or stick with star Trek and get discovery uniforms.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 1 at 2021 11:52 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:52:37 -0500

The uniform is too cute.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Dec 1 at 2021 4:03 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:03:55 -0500

I do not like them...they look too much like the AF Academy uniforms tome.

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Dec 1 at 2021 10:18 PM

SFC Randy Hellenbrand — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 22:18:34 -0500

They SUCK

Response by SPC Larry Johnson made Dec 2 at 2021 10:02 PM

SPC Larry Johnson — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 22:02:18 -0500

They look like cadets

Response by COL Cheryl Moore made Dec 11 at 2021 2:48 AM

COL Cheryl Moore — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 02:48:02 -0500

No-go from me unless you're wanting to pay Roddenberry royalties... future service members need more respect than this.

Response by CPT Timothy Hernandez made Dec 11 at 2021 8:57 AM

CPT Timothy Hernandez — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 08:57:34 -0500

First, either close the collar, as a mandarin collar, like the Marine Corps, or, don’t wear a traditional collar shirt with neck tie; instead, wear a mandarins collar shirt, similar to what a priest wears, and maybe consider using distinct career field colors for the collar that shows through the coat opening.

Second, get rid of the button and replace them with clasps that are hidden from view. You can run silver piping down the side if you want to show a break along the seem on the coat. Put a clasp at the top portion of the coat, that goes from one section to the other, with a burnished silver Space Force emblem. You guys went Star Trek with your uniform, so go all the way Star Trek. By trying to go halfway between old and new, you made the current uniform look like a door man in a fancy Manhattan building.

Go bold with your change, or go traditional and use the WWII pater uniform with your Space Force color palet.

Response by LTC David Howard made Dec 11 at 2021 10:26 AM

LTC David Howard — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:26:53 -0500

I'm not sure I believe that the "Space Force" is really a branch of the military, but maybe because I am old and because we have yet to routinely have any "forces" in space. So far we seem to be ceding this domain to the Chinese.

Response by Keith Weber made Dec 11 at 2021 10:32 AM

Keith Weber — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:32:52 -0500

Wasn't this off of BattleStar Gallatic?

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Dec 11 at 2021 7:55 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 19:55:22 -0500

Add a hat with wings on each side. Maybe add a mini-cape, also.

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Dec 11 at 2021 10:56 PM

MSgt Craig Gauger — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:56:11 -0500

Probably needs a phaser at the hip.

Response by LtCol Bruce Janis made Dec 12 at 2021 10:10 AM

LtCol Bruce Janis — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:10:26 -0500

What can be done? Dissolve Space Force and return them to the USAF. If all the SF has to worry about is their uniforms, then their job is not that important, This whole Star Trek stuff is hard to swallw for an old Leatherneck.

Response by SFC Dean D. made Dec 12 at 2021 4:57 PM

SFC Dean D. — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:57:31 -0500

Dissolve the Space Force

Response by AB Roger Zauner made Dec 12 at 2021 9:56 PM

AB Roger Zauner — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:56:46 -0500

I wouldn't mind and would wear the uniform proudly, as I'm getting paid to do so and I really doubt the current uniform design hurts one's rapport at all. Shrugs, I'll wear Dickies proudly.

However, keeping within perspective, I would be more concerned about Captain James T. Kirk or Captain Picard suing the Space Force for Copy Right infringement, unless the designers already have permission.

Response by CPO William Slifko made Dec 13 at 2021 3:00 AM

CPO William Slifko — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 03:00:34 -0500

Looks like they're competing with Star Trek. I guess what is shown is the dress uniform? It looks ridiculous and bland. There's no personality to that uniform.

Response by SMSgt Robin Wright made Dec 13 at 2021 7:14 PM

SMSgt Robin Wright — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:14:28 -0500

DO.NOT.LIKE. Nothing more needs to be said. :)

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 13 at 2021 7:41 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:41:47 -0500

The jacket looks too Hollywood and the pants is a total No Go. The jacket could use a Breast Pocket as well as bottom pockets. The collar could be improved on as well. The pants should be a more designer fit and not looking like a Flour Sack like it does on the Female.

Response by PO1 Ken Helmick made Dec 14 at 2021 12:42 PM

PO1 Ken Helmick — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:42:57 -0500

Honestly, to me, this thing looks like someone is working too hard. We've got a collar that looks like someone is trying to hide from the cold -- or hoping to avoid identification. The buttons look like they came from another era. The insignia just above the waist looks too big and oddly placed. I go with the rule that simple and elegant beat flashy every time. Truthfully, I would say that you can never go too wrong by sticking with the basics. A basic suit and tie combo is pretty much acceptable everywhere. Pick a color that works with it -- maybe a very, very dark blue to represent the color of the sky as you are reaching space (go with black and you get mistaken for the Navy). Try not to take that one too seriously, I am red/green color blind and my choice of colors is always being criticized. Personally, I was never big on epaulets as they serve no useful function and undermine simplicity. Stick the rank devices on the collars. Once you get rid of the button scheme, you can stick the name tag and insignia on the right side of the uniform. Pockets are not a bad thing, having a place to stow an ID card or a handkerchief is useful.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Dec 14 at 2021 4:39 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:39:55 -0500

Give them an “Invisibility Cloak” technology so no one can see this poor excuse for another science fiction series.

Response by SPC William Snyder made Dec 15 at 2021 3:31 PM

SPC William Snyder — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 15:31:38 -0500

I think Steve Carroll will like it.

Seriously, all this is a joke. We don't even have our own means of getting people into space.

Response by LTC Reginald Brown made Dec 15 at 2021 4:02 PM

LTC Reginald Brown — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:02:11 -0500

They look great, leave as is. Well done to the team of fellow humans who designed and sewed it together!!

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Dec 15 at 2021 8:48 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:48:22 -0500

Just get the signed appropriate releases from the various "Sci-Fi' serials to avoid copyright infringement before developing a uniform for Space Force...
No need for a "camouflaged' utility uniform... just Khaki trousers and a midnight blue polo shirt, and brown 'Deck' shoes

Any Ideas how to do a Zero-G push-up?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2021 8:38 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:38:18 -0500

Makes me think of Battlestar Galactica reboot series. I like them and would wear them.

Response by Sgt Ed Bowers made Jan 11 at 2022 11:39 AM

Sgt Ed Bowers — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:39:21 -0500

The trousers do not pass GO. The Jacket is ridiculous. It needs a belt and the buttons slanting do not look proper at all. Keep working on it!

Response by SSG James Knopp made Jan 11 at 2022 4:00 PM

SSG James Knopp — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:00:22 -0500

Reminds me of the uniforms West Point cadets wear, if I’m remembering correctly from when my unit sent a contingency to West Point to train cadets. But, then again I may be a bit foggy seeing it’s been 50 years.
What does the duty uniform look like? I’ll give it the benefit of doubt. A well tailored uniform could make a rag bag uniform look “Tony Tiger “.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jan 11 at 2022 4:03 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:03:07 -0500

Add a kilt and a white beret! Make them look less like the Air Force. But on a more serious note, give them a mission.

Response by PO2 John Harker made Jan 11 at 2022 6:55 PM

PO2 John Harker — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 18:55:48 -0500

On the men's side of things, everything "dress" is always suit and tie. In the military it seems they try to give the ladies the same suit and tie look.
How about ditching that in favor of a turtleneck or, better yet, a thin but stretchy turtleneck type undershirt? And ditch that half a collar on the jackets. Finish it, or, preferably, remove it.
I wouldn't think what they have on is anything even close to comfortable at all.

Response by SSgt Colin Royal made Jan 12 at 2022 2:02 AM

SSgt Colin Royal — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 02:02:58 -0500

To much trying to add a sci-fi feel and look. Not good.

Response by MSG Everett Cole made Jan 12 at 2022 6:24 AM

MSG Everett Cole — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:24:12 -0500

wow, my first thought on this is that it looks more like a high end chefs uniform

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2022 9:06 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 09:06:35 -0500

With no real history to call on ... its a blank sheet of paper. The current prototype is too extreme and would be "outdated" in a matter of a couple of years. Needs to be a clean, classic design.

Response by MSG Walter Reel made Jan 13 at 2022 9:24 AM

MSG Walter Reel — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 09:24:46 -0500

I think the whole organization is a drain on resources and an idiot idea.

Response by CDR Lisa Curtin-Sasser made Jan 13 at 2022 10:39 PM

CDR Lisa Curtin-Sasser — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 22:39:46 -0500

Puke says it all

Response by CW2 John Brookins made Jan 14 at 2022 11:22 AM

CW2 John Brookins — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:22:53 -0500

Take the Current Air Force uniform. Adjust the color slightly and bam your done. Less expensive, easy to produce, functional. Space Force personnel are not actually working in space, so no need for silly Hollywood uniforms.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 14 at 2022 12:49 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 12:49:24 -0500

Make them look like Roman soldiers to pay respects to the past.

Response by Sgt C S made Jan 14 at 2022 4:15 PM

Sgt C S — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 16:15:25 -0500

Too weird

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 14 at 2022 8:11 PM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:11:14 -0500

First check with the state Dept of Natural Resources and see if burning debris is currently authorized.

Response by SGT David Taylor made Jan 15 at 2022 10:40 AM

SGT David Taylor — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:40:01 -0500

Sooo many choices. They need to look at sci fi for some ideas.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2022 6:38 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:38:08 -0500

Just saying...

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jan 16 at 2022 7:42 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 19:42:53 -0500

Have No thoughts on this issue

Response by SGM Anthony Zangrilli made Jan 17 at 2022 7:41 AM

SGM Anthony Zangrilli — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 07:41:34 -0500

Wow!!! The jacket promotes the cooking attire of a Chef…especially with the neck collar. This dress uniform will probably affect morale and Esprit de corps if this prototype is adopted. In no way does it promote the mission statement of Space Command.

Recommend changing the color to black, replace with a black jacket, pants more stream line look.

If flare is Space Commands guidance, redesign the shoulder loop tip projecting an arrow per example.

In closing, consider not to follow the Army’s path over the last 10 years in going through the trenches in redesigning many times and spending costs in finally promoting an Army’s Dress uniform today that promotes pride and service.

Respectfully

Response by TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson made Jan 17 at 2022 9:59 AM

TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:59:46 -0500

The best thing is to not waste money on this boondoggle and put the branch back under USAF Space and Cyber Commands.

Response by MSgt Nancy Wilson made Jan 17 at 2022 6:57 PM

MSgt Nancy Wilson — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:57:31 -0500

Make the jacket look like a jacket. Give the trousers a wide elastic waistband around the back, with a flat front closure.

Response by Sgt Robert Hellyer made Jan 17 at 2022 9:40 PM

Sgt Robert Hellyer — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:40:42 -0500

The only thing I like about them is the color of the jacket. The rest of it looks awful.

Response by TSgt Don Dollinger made Jan 20 at 2022 5:53 PM

TSgt Don Dollinger — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:53:35 -0500

Don't be too quick to judge, they will look real good at the next comicon

Response by SPC Joseph Kenny made Jan 21 at 2022 1:14 PM

SPC Joseph Kenny — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:14:05 -0500

These uniforms will probably attract the exact candidates we need for the Space Force. Think about it.

Response by CPL Bruce Ailiff made Jan 23 at 2022 6:32 AM

CPL Bruce Ailiff — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 06:32:46 -0500

Just go with what Gene Roddenberry and his crew used.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2022 4:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:15:11 -0500

Looks fine to me. A slight Star Trek vibe though.

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Feb 19 at 2022 10:38 AM

GySgt Marc Dickerson — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 10:38:42 -0500

I was thinking something akin to what Capt. Jack Sparrow wears. Add a Space Force emblem to the jacket and hat. Does anyone remember Space Pirates?

Response by CPT John Baggs made Feb 19 at 2022 5:07 PM

CPT John Baggs — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:07:09 -0500

For starters, schmuckatelly need to get pants that fit.

Response by CPT John Baggs made Feb 19 at 2022 5:07 PM

CPT John Baggs — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 17:07:36 -0500

For starters, Schmuckatelly needs to get pants that fit.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Feb 20 at 2022 8:19 AM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:19:13 -0500

What is going on with the trousers lol..Get another designer lol..looks like the fit is terrible! The models must have been ordered to pose lol don't 100% hate the style but I 95% hate it lol get serious the buttons look like a set up to be struck by lightning. Pls go back to the drawing board this is not the Jetsons give me a break funny

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2022 1:46 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Feb 2022 01:46:49 -0500

What are they called
Air Force-Airmen
Army-Soldiers
Marines- Marines
Navy- Sailors
Space Force-??????????????

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Feb 24 at 2022 10:52 AM

Sgt Robert Gardner — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:52:43 -0500

An electric eraser will help, redesign them please. The offset buttons will be a great start, lose them. The uniform looks like something you’d expect to see a cartoon character to be wearing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2022 2:16 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 02:16:22 -0500

Everything is wrong with it. The jacket doesn’t match the pants, it’s ugly. Makes it look like they took a chefs top and made it black and threw on insignia. Back to the drawing board for this one.

Response by A Wiegert made Mar 11 at 2022 3:16 PM

A Wiegert — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:16:13 -0500

Does anyone else see Babylon 5??

Response by CPO William Slifko made Mar 21 at 2022 7:56 PM

CPO William Slifko — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:56:32 -0400

Looks ridiculous. Even the color of both the jacket and trousers just seems wrong.

Response by PO2 Timothy Spencer made Mar 22 at 2022 6:18 AM

PO2 Timothy Spencer — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 06:18:02 -0400

Name tag under the ribbons just sucks; along with the pants. Design of the coat/tunic/jacket long pretty cool.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2022 6:29 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:29:58 -0400

Go full Star Trek at this point.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Mar 22 at 2022 7:56 PM

SSG Ken Potts — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:56:48 -0400

Don't care, they're not a real branch. When they actually have a mission and standard, we'll revisit the issue.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2022 10:40 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:40:44 -0400

My first question: why did they pick models that look so smug?

My next question is: have they never heard of tailoring the trousers?

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Mar 24 at 2022 11:52 AM

CPT James Burkholder — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:52:20 -0400

Trousers seem baggy. Jacket (?blouse): Not sure whether it is navy blue or black but somehow reminds me of Germany circa 1940, although I've read that Nazi uniforms are looked at as on some of the most stylish ever. If that line of buttons are functional an actually close the jacket then that is totally stupid. Also, the line of buttons should be reversed. Now it is a simile to a crash downward; reverse so that it suggests upward going.

Response by SPC Sean Scott made Mar 24 at 2022 12:51 PM

SPC Sean Scott — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:51:17 -0400

Disband the force, return them to previous service, and restart space command?

What an utter waste of money.

Response by A1C Jacinda (. made Mar 24 at 2022 4:21 PM

A1C Jacinda (. — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:21:29 -0400

First, I want to know why a "Space Force" is needed and then, with regard to the uniforms, they are too treckie.

Response by Eric Wiener made Mar 24 at 2022 7:05 PM

Eric Wiener — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 19:05:42 -0400

Trousers are awful. I like the jacket, I'd like it more with more trim.

But there is always this option:

Response by SFC Mamerto Perez made Mar 25 at 2022 7:20 AM

SFC Mamerto Perez — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:20:12 -0400

It suks

Response by CPT Weaver Gaines made Mar 25 at 2022 3:41 PM

CPT Weaver Gaines — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:41:46 -0400

It's OK. I'd prefer a high collar and no shirt and tie, but . . .

Response by PO3 Paul Scheel made Mar 25 at 2022 4:33 PM

PO3 Paul Scheel — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:33:45 -0400

They need Vipers and Commander Adama
They look like colonial fighters from the Battlestar Galactica

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Mar 26 at 2022 12:30 PM

SSG Paul Carrier — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 12:30:21 -0400

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Mar 26 at 2022 7:59 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 19:59:36 -0400

Does anyone realize that this "Space Force" uniform is identical in design as the uniform worn by the character 'Rimmer' from "Red Dwarf"?

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Mar 26 at 2022 9:00 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:00:04 -0400

Overvoice ---- "Space the final fronter. these are the voyages of ...."

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Mar 27 at 2022 3:59 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 15:59:22 -0400

Disband the entire thing and send everyone back to their respective services and never do this again. That will take care of those hideous clown suits they call uniforms. Don't know why #45 tried to emulate his mentor. Even the Russian Spaces Forces didn't last long as an independent service. It was reorganized twice and finally became a sub-branch to the Russian Aerospace Forces. Let it go!!

Response by SGT Ernie Alvarado made Mar 28 at 2022 1:44 PM

SGT Ernie Alvarado — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 13:44:38 -0400

Beam me up Scottie.

Response by SCPO Victor Glaviano made Apr 11 at 2022 12:24 AM

SCPO Victor Glaviano — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 00:24:35 -0400

Should have took my advice and used naval uniforms and ranks... Come on it was Starfleet Command, not wing this, flight that... It was the USS Enterprise, as in United States Ship, not aircraft!

Response by CPL Jarod Depastene made Apr 11 at 2022 7:16 AM

CPL Jarod Depastene — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:16:00 -0400

Honestly, getting rid of Space Force entirely would do wonders for rectifying the uniform....

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Apr 11 at 2022 12:32 PM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:32:15 -0400

Same color and similar cut to what was used in the 2003 remake of Battlestar Galactica.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Apr 11 at 2022 12:38 PM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:38:07 -0400

Looks like something worn in the 2003 remake of Battlestar Galactica. Instead of copying science fiction - why not focus on here and now?

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made May 10 at 2022 8:26 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Tue, 10 May 2022 20:26:54 -0400

Use the US Air Force Uniform until they can drug test the individuals that thought the Battlestar Galactica uniform was a good idea.

Response by PO1 Steven Siepp made May 22 at 2022 12:55 PM

PO1 Steven Siepp — Sun, 22 May 2022 12:55:08 -0400

As my dress blues had 13 buttons on the pants I say more buttons lol

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made May 28 at 2022 10:55 AM

PO1 William Van Syckle — Sat, 28 May 2022 10:55:26 -0400

This is a joke, right? It looks like something right out of the tv show “Motherland: Fort Salem.” Just my opinion…..

Response by SSG Stewart Ritchey made Jun 1 at 2022 12:57 AM

SSG Stewart Ritchey — Wed, 01 Jun 2022 00:57:51 -0400

Shades of Patton trying to push his tankers uniform!
Those who wear it will be subject to ridicule and severe embarrassment. Please don't do this to them!
It will.only result in driving people away from the Space Force, not attracting them.

Response by PO2 Lawrence Moody made Jun 2 at 2022 6:23 PM

PO2 Lawrence Moody — Thu, 02 Jun 2022 18:23:52 -0400

May as well have some fun . New Pioneers in a new service

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2022 3:54 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 15:54:35 -0400

Two honest suggestions:
1. Burn the entire thing and stick with what the Air Force has - maybe with a slightly darker color.
2. Burn the entire thing and go with the AFA's parade uniforms.

Response by Capt Loren Morgan made Jun 20 at 2022 7:49 PM

Capt Loren Morgan — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 19:49:53 -0400

I think simple is better for the long term. It's to"busy" for me. I'm retired so my opinion has no weight

Response by CDR Marvin McBride made Jun 20 at 2022 10:24 PM

CDR Marvin McBride — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 22:24:52 -0400

Add the prefix “Outer” to “Space Force Dress Uniforms.”

Response by SGT Ted Reed made Jun 21 at 2022 6:44 AM

SGT Ted Reed — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:44:01 -0400

i agree with a lot of the people on here way to Star Treky, they can come up with something better

Response by PO3 Paul Roth made Jun 21 at 2022 11:14 AM

PO3 Paul Roth — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 11:14:19 -0400

Looks like Mork off Mork and Mindy

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2022 11:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:19:11 -0400

And this is what we pay the people in Natick to do? The trousers need to be redesigned.
The Jacket... Star Trek (wrath of Khan) enthusiasts will now want to enlist. Couldn't anyone come up with an original idea?

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 22 at 2022 3:56 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:56:01 -0400

The gig line is off.

Response by SrA Michele Burgman made Jun 23 at 2022 9:37 AM

SrA Michele Burgman — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 09:37:00 -0400

All I can say is, I'm grateful to have been in space command when we were still part of the USAF, and wasn't subjected to this monstrosity.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2022 4:06 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:06:46 -0400

Male Space Cadet...

Response by LtCol Bruce Janis made Jun 24 at 2022 8:59 PM

LtCol Bruce Janis — Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:59:46 -0400

First…find happier models
Second…lose the entire uniform and go back to USAF blues.
Third…sh.tcan the Space Patrol and go back to the USAF

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Jun 26 at 2022 6:49 PM

SP5 Carl Hollander — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 18:49:36 -0400

Call in a plastic surgeon to have members outfitted with pointed ears

Response by PO3 Dennis Workman made Jul 7 at 2022 10:54 PM

PO3 Dennis Workman — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 22:54:05 -0400

Whoever designed that uniform saw Patton to many times!

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jul 24 at 2022 10:11 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 22:11:26 -0400

Hey, I grew up on Star Trek and thought Star Fleet uniforms were really cool. So, these Space Force uniforms are a good first step as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a lot less worried about the uniforms than I am about Space Force getting its own manned extra-terrestrial platforms. What use is a Space Force that cannot actually put anyone into space?

We need a Space Force running Space Patrol to protect our country and the Moon from being taken over by China. Think that's crazy? Watch what happens if China establishes a Moon base before anyone else. They will claim the entire Moon as their own, and all our stupid ideas about international law be damned.

Response by PO3 James Heine made Jul 27 at 2022 11:45 AM

PO3 James Heine — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:45:36 -0400

The VA I go to doesn't
have a flag of this 'branch' because they know it's all an Orwellian invention by a traitor Caligula. It doesn't truly exist. Remember the M.O.A.B.? This biz about ISIS being defeated and we were 'withdrawing the forces NOW'? NEVER believe anything such a disgraceful veteran-bashing Putin-lover says. He proved his ability to tell the truth (he CAN'T) and his credibility (LESS THAN ZERO) and his patriotism which doesn't exist. What's Ol' Spanky afraid of, aliens? Or God? He claims to be the Messiah which gives him even LESS cred. DON'T BELIEVE HIM.

Response by William Davis made Jul 29 at 2022 1:42 PM

William Davis — Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:42:13 -0400

Might as well go full scale OG Star Trek style and assign "Vulcan ears" to all the science officers. Avoid any red shirts though.

Response by SGM Norris Shake made Aug 10 at 2022 7:42 AM

SGM Norris Shake — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 07:42:49 -0400

Make it look more military than something out of Star War movies. Straight button line, pockets, tie. This uniform looks like waiter uniforms.

Response by SGT Jim Wiseman made Dec 12 at 2022 8:52 PM

SGT Jim Wiseman — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:52:07 -0500

Have somebody design it who are not heavily influenced by Star Trek, Starship Troopers, or bad sci-fi.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Feb 26 at 2023 5:31 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 05:31:54 -0500

Pleated Skirts & High Heels?

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Feb 26 at 2023 11:07 AM

SSG Bill McCoy — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:07:01 -0500

Like the USCG's uniform being similar and mostly identical to the Navy, why isn't the Space Force just using USAF uniforms with Space Force insignia? Apparently they used Hollywood as the uniform design source and thats gotta be embarrassing to those in the Space Force.