Posted on Nov 5, 2015
What changes would you like to see come to the management of the CSM/SGM population?
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http://www.army.mil/article/130591/Army_taking_steps_to_improve_its_CSM__SGM
There will always be areas for improvment, especially within the HR realm. What would you like to see done to improve the processes that are used to manage the highest enlisted grade in the Army? Are there any existing policies that you feel hinder the efforts towards managing talent?
There will always be areas for improvment, especially within the HR realm. What would you like to see done to improve the processes that are used to manage the highest enlisted grade in the Army? Are there any existing policies that you feel hinder the efforts towards managing talent?
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I think the Marine Corps does it right. WHile we do not swap between MGySgt and Sgt Maj, the make up and break down along with the relationship between the two ranks works well.
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I think that the Army did a poor job of taking care of SGM/CSMs in low density fields.
CMF 74Z Information Systms Chief had less than 25 E-9 slots army wide.
I did 13 of my first 23 years overseas. I spent at least 2 months overseas every year between 1981-2000. The exception was 1996 the year I graduated from the Sergeant Majors Academy.
In 2002 at the 25 year mark after being back stateside just 2 years branch told me I was next one qualified for a special NATO assignment. I had to ask branch if they bothered to check my records. The SGM currently there was my replacement.
So with 26 years I would have been sent overseas for a 3 year tour with no clue where I might have been sent for my final year to finishing out my 30 year career.
It was simple to get required surgical procedures done and retire after 26 years from Fort Hood.
CMF 74Z Information Systms Chief had less than 25 E-9 slots army wide.
I did 13 of my first 23 years overseas. I spent at least 2 months overseas every year between 1981-2000. The exception was 1996 the year I graduated from the Sergeant Majors Academy.
In 2002 at the 25 year mark after being back stateside just 2 years branch told me I was next one qualified for a special NATO assignment. I had to ask branch if they bothered to check my records. The SGM currently there was my replacement.
So with 26 years I would have been sent overseas for a 3 year tour with no clue where I might have been sent for my final year to finishing out my 30 year career.
It was simple to get required surgical procedures done and retire after 26 years from Fort Hood.
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SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT
I think the Air Force does it the right way and allows them to choose the place they would like for their final assignment to transition into retirement.
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SGM Mike Barbieri
First, thank you for your service and for the comment.
So, you basically did about 4 years overseas in your first 23 years in? Couple months here and a couple months there.
It will always be a problem managing smaller populations as one move triggers a second and so on. It would be great to have a sunset assignment policy to get folks to their retirement location, but that is unrealistic given the size of the E9 population and the available positions at each installation. Many personnel are able to work a sunset assignment while others are not. It's tough when you are eligible to retire at 20 and the vast majority of the SGM population is over that. You call and ask for Carson because you want to retire there and you are at 22 years; but then you don't drop paperwork. What then? This situation happens daily. In those low density jobs it causes more moves because there is always someone that needs to be brought back from OCONUS or returning from a WIAS Tasker or any of a hundred other scenarios that are being juggled.
So, you basically did about 4 years overseas in your first 23 years in? Couple months here and a couple months there.
It will always be a problem managing smaller populations as one move triggers a second and so on. It would be great to have a sunset assignment policy to get folks to their retirement location, but that is unrealistic given the size of the E9 population and the available positions at each installation. Many personnel are able to work a sunset assignment while others are not. It's tough when you are eligible to retire at 20 and the vast majority of the SGM population is over that. You call and ask for Carson because you want to retire there and you are at 22 years; but then you don't drop paperwork. What then? This situation happens daily. In those low density jobs it causes more moves because there is always someone that needs to be brought back from OCONUS or returning from a WIAS Tasker or any of a hundred other scenarios that are being juggled.
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Here's one that currently affects me and I am sure many other E-9s. They need to fix the RCP/CSM program. If I can stay in the Army for 32 years why can't I compete on the BN/BDE CSL if I have over 27 years of service.
That is just one example. Personally I think there are too many SGM positions in the Army anyway.
That is just one example. Personally I think there are too many SGM positions in the Army anyway.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM (Join to see) A recent Army Times article reported about 4 Colonels, (O-5 and O-6), (12,000+), for each E-9, (3700), position in the current force. I would choose to say, there are too many colonels at this time.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
I was actually looking at those exact numbers today CSM Charles Hayden , there are about 9,000 O-6's. Most CSM/SGM's work for O-4's through O-6's. If you combine those numbers, I think we could use a little more representation. Thoughts CSM (Join to see) ?
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CSM Charles Hayden and CSM Carl Cunningham I was going to mention the field grade side of the house but decided not to but, since you brought it up...I think we should get rid of all those COLs and LTCs. I just finished a division staff job and it's ridiculous the amount of "ash and trash" floating around up there doing nothing but making things harder for subordinate units. I couldn't even imagine working at Corps level.
Not only the "green suiters" but you have the MSEs/retired civilians that basically outrank the directors. It's pretty pathetic and it's amazing that anything gets done on a daily basis. I personally think that the Army could downsize the senior population and that it would actually increase efficiency.
Not only the "green suiters" but you have the MSEs/retired civilians that basically outrank the directors. It's pretty pathetic and it's amazing that anything gets done on a daily basis. I personally think that the Army could downsize the senior population and that it would actually increase efficiency.
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