What do you consider as stopping career progression?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 12:58:10 -0400

Do you consider the following to be stopping career progression? If a Soldier has enough TIS and TIG to be promoted, is not flagged, and meets all requirements for promotion, but PSG won't allow Soldier to put in promotion packet. Is this allowed? Does the Soldier have to be counseled since they're at primary zone, but aren't being allowed to input packet? If this is considered stopping career progression, what should the Soldier do? SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SSG Private RallyPoint Member Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2020 1:08 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:08:25 -0400

I would want to ask why the Platoon Sergeant feels that a packet shouldn't be submitted.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 1 at 2020 1:21 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:21:59 -0400

Do they have to be counseled, yes. If a Soldier is not ready for promotion, the unit is not obligated to send them anyway, but they DO have a responsibility to counsel and mentor to address the reasons why the SM is not ready.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2020 1:36 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:36:51 -0400

would depend on why the SM doesn't have an NCOER. I cross leveled when I was an E5 and the school was so long that I met TIG/TIS requirements for E6 before I ever got an NCOER.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jun 1 at 2020 2:23 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 14:23:12 -0400

When I was eligible for E-7, Chief Petty Officer, I was the only person in my rate who passed the advancement exam and was promoted. When I was eligible for E-8, Senior Chief Petty Officer, I took the exam and according to the testing center, I was the only one who passed the exam. But, along with the letter that I had passed was the explanation that I was not being advanced because of Affirmative Action. Since I had never heard of Affirmative Action, I. wrote back asking for an explanation. I was told that it was the governments way of advancing people of color because they had been neglected. They also told me who was being advanced and it was a black Chief Lithographer that I knew personally and was working with. When I told the testing center representative that I knew him and he had not worked in the printing field for more than 10 years, they said it was Ok because he was not a lithographer any more, he was an administrator and since there was only ONE BILLET AVAILABLE, he got it. I took the exam for the next two years and was told there was no billet. In the third year, I once again took the exam and passed it. The Senior Chief I knew was advanced to Master Chief so there should have been a billet available. Once again the testing center informed me that the billet he vacated was cancelled and I would not be advanced. I made E-7 on my knowledge and background in printing in just 11 years. I was told that nobody did that before. I spent 17 years and 9 months as a Chief. More years that it took me to get there. I did not let it stop me. What is ironic is that I was informed that after 28 years and 9 months my career was ending because I was not ADVANCING IN RATE. Don't ask me how that made me feel.