What do you think is a fair amount of time to give a soldier to transition back to the civilian force.

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:35:11 -0400

With a soldier getting out of the army, they are given fair amount of time to ACAP, but do you think leaders are giving them enough time to transition. Army life is very different from civilian life. I personally believe we are more selfish with the needs of the company over helping a soldier transition. I'm not saying they should be gone all the time, but with under 4 months left should we really be sending soldiers to month long events like NTC? I see it all the time in my unit, and as an older SGT who plans to get out in a year, I worry that the way the Infantry has changed me, I won't blend back into the civilian world so well because I will be forced to play army up until my last day. Just looking to see what everyone else thinks.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2014 5:38 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:38:05 -0400

The VOW act mandates each Soldier should accomplish transition actives based on a timeline that start before 1 year from ETS. The key to this ensuring the Command support this requirement and actively monitor their attiring population. The VOW act is law and therefore, it's mandated Soldiers meet these benchmarks prior to separating.

Response by SPC Michael Hunt made Mar 26 at 2014 6:17 PM

SPC Michael Hunt — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:17:15 -0400

180 days from ETS seems to be the norm... every Soldier is going to vary, depending on their personal situation.

Response by SGT Suraj Dave made Mar 26 at 2014 6:26 PM

SGT Suraj Dave — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:26:31 -0400

I did ACAP and cleared in 30 days

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 26 at 2014 6:41 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:41:58 -0400

SGT W., with most Soldiers exiting the service and returning to their hometown/homestate, it is really impossible for them to be afforded any time to be able ease back into the civilian world. It's easier for a unit to allow an individual time away from the "job" to begin transitioning if they are staying close to the post they are leaving the Army from, as in my case when I retired out of Ft. Benning. If an individual has the leave time, they can take it to begin their new life away from the Army, I took 60 days transitional leave as well as my 20 days PTDY. Usually an individual will be on duty rosters and able to be sent to NTC if the unit deems it necessary until the last 30 days. Been that way long before I came into the Army back in 1987, really can't see how the units can do any different than they are. Unfortunately it is part of the price we pay for the particular choice we made in voluntarily serving our nation.

Response by CPL Robert Baker made Mar 27 at 2014 8:43 PM

CPL Robert Baker — Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:43:17 -0400

The ACAP process is broken by the chain of command in many instances. According to doctrine if a soldier is 30 days or less from his ETS date the chain of command will not be permitted to force the soldier to miss any ACAP appointment however it happens all of the time. Not only do they force soldiers to miss appointments and participate in useless training that has no bearing on them readjusting to the civilian sector but in many cases they also try to make the soldier out to be a turd for attending his appointments. This happened in my case, I was a good soldier and it had always showed in every monthly counseling and eventually in my NCOER. Despite that, when I chose to ETS rather than re enlist I was sent to a new company that did everything in their power to try and find excuse to give me anything other than an honorable. I served my time and my country with pride, I always did my job and never asked for time off for sick call, I became a NCO and was loved by my subordinates and the Army returned that with a swift kick in the ass. I think they are trying to cheat combat vets like myself out of our entitled benefits because uncle Sam doesn't want to pay up now that we have honored our end of the agreement. My answer is that there is no set adjustment period, soldiers are always different and commands as well.

Response by SFC Michael Hickman made Mar 28 at 2014 5:06 PM

SFC Michael Hickman — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:06:38 -0400

I think this author,, assisting a 17-year-old college girl summed up "transitioning" quite well;

Hi, I’m a 17 year old girl making a Documentary based on PTSD in soldiers as part of my college work. If there is any way you could be of help, (answering questions honesty) id be grateful

Thank you

Kind Regards

Veteran: I’d be happy to help you however I can.

Girl: Thank you sooo much! If possible could you answer this question? Was the transition between soldier and civilian hard? If yes, why? Can you describe (if not too painful) what it was like? Thank you again

Veteran: The transition from being a soldier in combat to being a civilian is hard. It is worth mentioning that making the transition from civilian life to combat is easy. I know you didn’t ask this question, but I’m telling you anyway. Pretty much 100% of the people I’ve ever spoken to about my combat service have been shocked to hear me say this. I’ve told them that if it were them, they would see how easy it is too. They all disagree with me because they want to think that I am different from them, but they are wrong. We’re all the same. Humans are built to fight and survive. Put a human in a situation where she needs to fight and survive, she’ll do just fine. She’ll find a way and she’ll make that transition almost instantly. But once that switch has been flipped, it is not easily unflipped.

Coming home is a motherfucker. “Transitioning” back to civilian life? There is no transition. You never really transition. You either learn to cope or you kill yourself.

When veterans, and civilians who care about veterans, discuss this topic, they usually refer to it as the “civilian-military divide”. You can think of it as a wide gap between the experiences of the veteran and the experiences of the civilian. They want to connect—mostly it’s the civilian who is making an effort to find an empathetic connection with the veteran. A lot of work is being done to bridge this gap, but I’ll let you in on a secret: it will never be bridged. The gap cannot be closed. There will always be a gap. But that’s okay. Veterans will usually easily understand other veterans, and civilians will try their very best to understand veterans, and many will do (and are doing) a pretty decent job, but there is not a way you can directly bridge this gap. It’s a frustrating predicament. Anyone who thinks otherwise is dangerously naive and will ultimately do more harm than good.

I want to tell you what it feels like to transition back to civilian life, but after trying over and over and over again at social gathers and in casual conversation I have come to the conclusion that there is no way to explain what it’s like. Not directly at least. The best way I can think to explain what it is like is like this:

Imagine you worked really hard in high school and after you graduated you got accepted into a fantastic Ivy League school. While at this school you met so many people who were so smart and motivated and brilliant and with them you learned more than you ever thought you could learn. You had incredible experiences, created imaginative work, and made bonds with so many different types of people in so many different ways. You had no idea there was so much that could be experienced in life, you never knew you could feel so much, and so deeply. You grew up, you matured, you were sharp, and mostly you learned how to really care. Now let’s say you graduate, and you move back home for a while before going out into the world and deciding what to do next, like get a job. But when you get home, the entire world is a kindergarten class. There are all these ridiculously little chairs and little desks. There’s a teacher who is older than dirt and sucks at her job and you can’t get her attention to ask her what the hell is going on. Everyone is 4 or 5 years old. They can barely speak English, yet alone talk to you about all your new passions and experiences. When you do try to talk to someone, they just cry, or walk away, or babble stupidly. One kid just peed his pants, another actually shit himself and won’t stop laughing. The best part of the day is art time, but everyone just finger-paints badly and makes a mess, all the activities are meant entirely for small children and you are bored out of your mind because the entire world has suddenly become one huge kindergarten class and there isn’t one single person you can talk to in an adult voice or about one single thing you care about. Now do this for days. And weeks. And years. It never ends. So you try to act normal, you try to fit in. You try to act like you enjoy finger-painting and you try to act like you enjoy sing-along time and you try your best to not be rude or impatient with Susie when she talks to you about her American Girl doll. But it’s all an act. You still know you’re trapped in this fucking kindergarten class and you have to either learn to assimilate or go mad. I doesn’t matter what anyone says—an adult will never have a meaningful connection with a pants-shitting kindergartener.

This transition is probably something akin to overcoming addiction. The way Alcoholics Anonymous approach it is by first admitting that you are an addict, then working your way from there. I think that once you’ve been in combat and you’ve gotten The Addiction (and trust me, it is a powerful addiction), you have to first realize that coping with The Addiction is a life-long process. It’s this dark companion you will always have. And if you’re smart and healthy about it, you’ll look for real ways to live with it. It’s different for everyone, but it almost always involves years of therapy. In my humble opinion, I think the best thing for veterans to do is to find an occupation or a hobby where they get to make something. I’m a writer (sometimes), but these days I’m a software engineer.

Being a soldier is about service. True service is something that is done for its own sake and once you’ve done it there is no record of it; nothing persists. That’s the nature of service and that’s what makes it great. You do it for the fuck-all of it; you do it for glory; you do it for duty; you do it for love; you do it because someone’s gotta do it and you feel like it might as well be you. Service is one of the greatest things you will ever be able to experience as a human: helping other humans. And when your service is complete, it is my opinion that the person who has served should turn to something creative. Something that persists, something that exists not just for its own sake but the sake of something else. You’ve served. Now build.

Response by SFC Ricardo Ruiz made Mar 28 at 2014 6:15 PM

SFC Ricardo Ruiz — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:15:59 -0400

One full year.

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made Apr 16 at 2014 2:20 PM

PO2 Rocky Kleeger — Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:20:11 -0400

I really think it depends on how long they were in.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Sep 17 at 2014 5:42 PM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:42:24 -0400

SGT Warren,

First and foremost, thank you for your service to our great Nation. I am certain you will transition just fine. There should be no set time for a Soldier, Sailor, Airmen, Marine, or Coast Guardsmen to transition as it must happen at the individual service members pace.

Several factors go into my opinion. One, if a service member has served in a hostile fire zone, combat, sea service, a float, or deployed, they may require more time. Two, if a service member has served in the military for less than two years or more than twenty they may require more or less time. Next, if a service member has medical issues which must be addressed they may require more time. There are more factors, but I hope this illustrates my point.

Of equal importance is the support of the NCO support channel and the Commander(s) to these Soldiers. Many times this part is missing as we overlook these Soldiers as the manning roster is decreasing by one, but the mission must go on.

The needs of the mission always come before the needs of the individual; however, when a service member has made the decision to transition, we owe it to them and our citizens to support these personnel in every way possible. This includes ACAP, levy briefs, VA disability briefs, medical exams, and any other support we can provide. We had these Soldiers serve with and perhaps along side us as subordinates, leaders, and peers. When they transition it is of vital importance we leave them with the knowledge they mattered as a person as well as a service member.

Thank you,

SFC Joseph M. Finck USA (Ret)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 12:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:32:26 -0400

I have a question about this myself. I get out in September, a medical readiness status of red due to a knee injury, I still need to ACAP, and I'm currently stuck in Europe on a training rotation that doesn't and until October. I'm being told my terminal is being denied and that I'll be forced to sell back all 75 days of the leave I have saved up. People are in my same situation and we're being told that maybe we'll be sent back 30 days before our ETS dates to ACAP and clear. I know the army can basically do whatever they want to us, but is there anything I can do to fight this?