What do you think of Open Carry Texas and other gun groups trying to carry firearm in public places?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 15:23:17 -0400

Honestly, I have never had a strong view on carrying firearms in public concealed or not. I own several firearms but don't feel the need to walk around armed even though I do have my conceal license and have been to several shooting course. Weapons are part of my job and I enjoy shooting them, I don't really consider them as a means of home security. But when I see groups like the Open Carry Texas trying to goto restaurants with not only pistols but assault rifles and shotguns a few things go through my mind. First, I see people that are looking for attention which they clearly get, as they act childish and smug when confronted. As soon as someone disagrees with them they throw out the 2nd amendment which was for self protection because our country was at war when it was written so common sense should be applied that carrying weapons is asking for trouble. When I say trouble I am talking about negligent discharges, confrontation, lack of training, and knowledge of weapons. What's the purpose other than causing a scene and getting attention. I love weapons and we should be able to own them but carrying them around in public. I mean there are plenty of countries where it is social acceptable to carry firearms in public, here are just a few: Nigeria, Algeria, Cote d’Ivoire, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Gaza, Palestinian Territories, Pakistan, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia just to name a few. What do all these places have in common they are really dangerous places, have little to no government, homicide rate is high, economy is terrible. Before we start preaching that we should be able to carry weapons in public areas think about how many safety accidents we have in the military where we train constantly proper weapons safety on a daily basis.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 3:26 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 15:26:53 -0400

Only thing I want to point out is that you reference all those countries as having high homicide rates..... Have you researched any of the American homicide rates? Some of the City specific rates just might grab your attention.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 3:36 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 15:36:18 -0400

here is a statistic page I found real quick

http://nigeria.opendataforafrica.org/kdabqlc/crime-statistics-murders-with-firearms-and-homicide-rate

Crime Statistics: Murders with Firearms and Homicide Rate - Open Data for Nigeria

In Honduras, Salvador, Jamaica, Venezuela and Guatemala people have the highest probability to be shot dead. Comparison between homicide by firearms rate and socio-economic indicators shows that the higher income inequality the higher homicide by firearms rate is. Countires where GINI coefficient exceeds 0.45 are at high risk of homicide increase. Gun deaths (number) Homicides by firearm (%) Homicide by firearm rate (per 100,000...

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made May 28 at 2014 4:19 PM

SPC Christopher Smith — Wed, 28 May 2014 16:19:09 -0400

I am all for open carry, and concealed carry. My reason is personal and societal protection. In places where everyone is armed, or is assumed to be armed it seems like crime (violent crime) is a little lower. Not too many people are going to try and rape or mug someone who might have a weapon. I don't have evidence of this, but that is my personal feeling.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 4:42 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 16:42:21 -0400

If you need to carry an AR-15 to get a burger, you're either really paranoid or a complete moron. I own guns and used to conceal carry when I was in a state that allowed, but I would NEVER open carry - especially in a restaurant where others might not share my love of guns, and ESPECIALLY not something like an AR15 or shotgun. And if you think about it, and AR15 is about the WORST thing you can have for close contact protection. At least a shotgun makes a little sense.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 4:45 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 16:45:26 -0400

You hit the nail on the head - these people are LOOKING for attention, and then complain when they get the type of attention that they know they're going to get. Seriously, I have multiple guns in my home and am a big supporter of the right to own and concealed carry. But do you think I want to take my kid up for ice cream and have jackasses walking around with AR-15s strapped to their backs? These are idiots with nothing better to do who are looking for someone to challenge them so that they can throw their opinions into other people's faces.

Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made May 28 at 2014 4:58 PM

COL Vincent Stoneking — Wed, 28 May 2014 16:58:26 -0400

Three things.
Thing the first, I fully support the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. It is not the right to do so only if not seen. That would be like "the right to free speech, but only in nobody hears you." I fully support open carry. It SHOULD be socially acceptable.

Thing the second, I fully support private property. Not only does this mean you can OWN whatever property you desire, it also means that the owners of that property are free to allow or disallow whatever behavior they chose (within adjudicated limits). This means I fully support the right of property owners to ban guns on their property/business. Similarly, I support your right to free speech, but I will happily curtail it in my living room and invite you to leave if you go past the bounds of decency.

Thing the third, "because I can" doesn't mean "I should." I support the general effort of open carry activists. Exercising your constitutional rights shouldn't be something you have to do in secret. Since there is a phobia (and we could argue reasons until the cows come home) among a large percentage of the population, it makes sense to try to show that you can carry a gun openly, without being a weirdo. It drives a needed conversation. However, there is a line between "making a point" and "being a d*&k." Unfortunately a small percentage of activists fall - or jump - into this category and make the rest look bad, creating opposition where there need not be any. Pun only slightly intended, they are guilty of self-inflicted GSWs to the movement.

Prime example: Starbucks had a very sane policy - "We support our customers following the law. We have no policy for or against open carry." [paraphased] They maintained this in the face of anti-gun group lobbying efforts. A HUGE win. It was pissed away by "National Starbucks Day" [or whatever it was called] morons gloating and insisting on taunting SBUX customers. Now starbucks has a "please don't" policy. (Note: They have not BANNED guns, just requested so far. Remarkable restraint). Same thing with Chipotle and the current spat.

If the open carry advocates hadn't had such a big chip on their shoulders....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 5:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 17:22:32 -0400

America can not get rid of, change, or alter the second amendment. Thats just one of the steps of a government take over in my opinion.

Now some of those countries you named are not a fair comparison to the US. Some of them countries you NEED a weapon over there and guns are the least of their problems.

I will always support the second amendment even though I do not own a firearm but I love the feeling of being able to purchase one if I choose to.

Response by SFC Stephen P. made May 28 at 2014 5:28 PM

SFC Stephen P. — Wed, 28 May 2014 17:28:31 -0400

1. Your experience with military firearms safety is no more comparable to civilian carry than combat HMMWV driving to a morning commute. If you want to comment on the potential danger of civilians carrying weapons, I would recommend you first look at the track record of civilians carrying weapons.

2. In Texas, it is illegal to openly carry a handgun. If you wish to open carry, it has to be a rifle or shotgun.

3. Attitudes like these towards open carry demonstrations are eerily similar to what I've seen in response to gay pride and civil rights demonstrations. The purpose of those was to "cause a scene" and draw attention as well.

4. From what I can tell, every county you cited has more restrictive gun laws than the U.S.

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made May 28 at 2014 6:28 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Wed, 28 May 2014 18:28:53 -0400

My initial response to this post was:
"If you don't like it, stay the hell out of TEXAS!" but then the Lord spoke to me and said that's the chip on the shoulder LTC Stoneking is referring to so I need to mind my manners.

In regards to your comment about "negligent discharges, confrontation, lack of training, and knowledge of weapons", excuse me SFC Spinks but where Im from in TEXAS the boys could handle a firearm better than an infantryman by the time they were 13.

Ok fine you got us on the "confrontation" part lol...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 7:25 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 19:25:55 -0400

I am a big supporter of the 2A, I conceal carry my pistol every where I legally can. However, I think the Open Carry Texas group is just out for attention, and what they are doing is completely dumb. They try and justify what they do by saying they are exercising their right, granted that may be the case, they are just out to poke the bear. Why you would need to open carry a rifle is beyond me, leave it in the truck and open carry your pistol.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2014 7:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 May 2014 19:48:42 -0400

I support Concealed carry, I also support open carry of pistols. Not a big fan of gangs of people walking around with rifles on their back within the city limits.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made May 28 at 2014 8:01 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Wed, 28 May 2014 20:01:38 -0400

OK, I gotta weigh in on this one.....

Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, and Utah have some of the lowest crime rates in the country and always have had. If someone wants to do bad things in these states, chances are real good that at least 40% of the people in the area are armed (legally and not). We carry concealed, openly, in vehicles, on ATV's, in boats....you get the picture. Even when someone who doesn't have a CWL gets involved in a firearms situation..... we seldom prosecute or even arrest them. I know of several incidents where armed store owners chased the bad guy down (outside the store) and "stopped" him. Even Grand Jury's don't touch those and if the Prosecuting Attorney (District Attorney) wants to get re-elected, they won't push it. We just let nature take it's course and don't push it into a national incident.

Best advise...... don't over think this issue. Let the States involved handle it.

Response by SFC Stephen Carden made May 28 at 2014 8:08 PM

SFC Stephen Carden — Wed, 28 May 2014 20:08:00 -0400

I think that groups like this are bastardizing the intent of the 2nd amendment, which was that Americans should have the right to bear arms in the defense of the country and themselves, and as a last resort to "protect themselves against tyranny in government"(Thomas Jefferson) I do not believe the founding fathers intended for Americans to walk around carrying assault rifles and shotguns as if they were walking sticks or umbrellas. The guys in Texas are being ridiculous. I see no issue with concealed carry of pistols, except that law enforcement officers have to be much more careful when approaching a subject. Is that really making things better for us? I do agree that states that allow concealed or open carry most probably see a decrease in violent crime. The biggest problem with concealed carry, open carry, and the 2nd amendment in my opinion is the fact that the regulations that govern who can purchase firearms are not stringent enough. We just had another guy with a history of mental illness, who legally purchased a gun or guns, go on another shooting rampage in California. Columbine, Sandy Hook... how many of these things do we have to live through before something changes? Kids and young adults are desensitized to gun violence thanks to violent movies, TV shows, video games, etc. A small premium is placed on human life anymore. Every punks first reaction is to shoot someone. Sad days in America.

Response by Sgt Seth Busse made May 28 at 2014 9:50 PM

Sgt Seth Busse — Wed, 28 May 2014 21:50:22 -0400

I think open carry is fine. I don't agree with all the things this" opencarrytexas" group is up to. Who, when properly trained, in their right mind brings a shotgun to a restaurant? The ability to say defend yourself or stop a robbery does not mean it's ok to shatter shot across three tables of little leaguers. The same goes for the rifle and the power of the weapon. Sorry I can't take out the bad guy because grandma is standing behind him. Long guns in general are difficult weapons in urban environments where fights are typically extreme close quarters. You might as well use a bat. Pistols above a certain caliber have the same issues as rifles. So in summation, open carry is ok, if your not an idiot.

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made May 28 at 2014 10:52 PM

SSG Daniel Deiler — Wed, 28 May 2014 22:52:16 -0400

I would like to address your use of the term "assault rifle." I cringe everytime I hear or see someone use it (incorrectly). In the context of this thread, it is being used incorrectly. The media, especially the leftist media, is throwing around the term in a way meant to demonize a simple weapon/rifle for a way to advance the political agenda and is misconstruing the guns and the publics view of the Second Amendment.

The Merriam-Webster Dictonary defines “assault rifle” as “any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use.” The weapons being discussed are civilian rifles so therefore NOT for military use.

Furthermore, The the United States Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency book Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide explains, “assault rifles” are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.” A selective fire weapon must be able to go from semi-automatic to fully automatic. Unless you go through a very extensive background check, you're not going to be getting your hands on a fully automatic weapon very easily and if you do, it's a good chance you've done so illegally. Please, I implore EVERYONE...STOP using the term assault rifle unless you do so responsibly AND correctly.

Last but not least, I don't know why the HE-Double Hockey Sticks you need to saunter into ANY establishment in an urban environment, other than a weapons range, straping a rifle to your back. Seriously? That isn't for personal security or protection. As stated many times throughout this thread, doing so is done for nothing more than to cause a scene and attract attention. That is a textbook case of irresponsible gun ownership right there. There may be a time and a place, but going out to eat with the whole famn damily whilst strappin' an AR-15 across your back just don't pass the common sense test.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2014 8:36 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 May 2014 08:36:02 -0400

I've no issues with it at all.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2014 11:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 May 2014 11:42:02 -0400

I, too, possess a CCW and I carry everytime I leave post. I wholeheartedly agree with people who choose to display their 2nd Amendment rights, but, at the risk of contradicting myself, I can understand open carrying a sidearm in public, but to walk around publicly displaying a rifle or shotgun seems a bit obsurd to me. This is when I ask, why? Why do you feel the need to carry a rifle/shotgun in public? Again, a pistol makes sense, but not the rifle/shotgun. These are the people, as you stated, SFC Spinks, that are nothing more than stuck-up, attention hounds that are just looking at being noticed. It's almost insulting to the rest of us who either carry concealed or conservatively open carry.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 30 at 2014 8:32 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 30 May 2014 08:32:39 -0400

They make normal, responsible gun owners look like the stereotypical caricatures you hear about on TV..

Response by SPC William Dupar made May 30 at 2014 10:13 AM

SPC William Dupar — Fri, 30 May 2014 10:13:11 -0400

Based on my knowledge of the situation, the Open Carry demonstrators are too overzealous for my taste. I am a firearm owner, and will one for the rest of my life, but these people make it difficult for common sense firearm owners.

Response by LTJG Robert M. made May 30 at 2014 11:39 AM

LTJG Robert M. — Fri, 30 May 2014 11:39:09 -0400

You hit the nail on the head - these people are LOOKING for attention. Doing Open Carry in an urban setting alarms the public and defeats the purpose of the legally Armed American. I was stationed in and vacation in SE Alaska where it is NOT unusual to see someone with a 44Mag on their hip or walking with a 12GA or 300WinMag. Difference is it is a rural setting with LARGE 800LB+ bears roaming the streets. Be Appropriate to your surroundings!!

Response by CPT Kyle Schembechler made Jun 10 at 2014 1:04 PM

CPT Kyle Schembechler — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:04:39 -0400

I'd have to say that the whole issue of open carry is a bit off course right now. On the far left you have the overly emotional and knee-jerk reaction Bloomberg funded Moms Demand Action and on the far right there is the provocative, and quite frankly childish, Open Carry Texas that wants to brandish their firearms and intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. The healthy medium lies in the middle in the rights of the individual property owners which is too often overlooked in these debates where both sides insist on "my way or the highway". Consider the following scenarios:

1. I own a small, family oriented establishment in a city that doesn't have a strong gun culture, but open carry is permitted on a statewide level. Most of my clientele will be offended or put off at the sight of firearms. While I would like to tell them that they are just being ridiculous, because if someone wanted to harm them or their family they wouldn't be openly brandishing a firearm and probably would have done something already, I'll keep it to myself and just take their money. As a business owner, I reserve the right to make decisions about how my patrons conduct themselves in my establishment. If they don't like it, they simply can go patronize someone else who allows their habits.

2. I own a upscale, manly as hell, cigar lounge located off the beaten path wit a niche clientele. If my customers wish to show off their fancy new 1911 or uberti six shooter they are permitted to because it fits the culture. Everybody there is used to the sight of guns and knows and trusts that nobody is going to try and pull something stupid. I, as the owner of the establishment, have made the conscious decision that the types of people who come to my business would like to openly carry firearms and therefore I let them. If somebody has a problem with this to the point where it exceeds the value of my product or services, nobody is (hopefully) putting a gun to their head and forcing them to patronize me.

Bottom line way down here at the bottom: Leave it up to the individuals

Response by SGT David Taylor made Jul 14 at 2014 6:42 AM

SGT David Taylor — Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:42:24 -0400

Bear with me as I drag this out a bit. My first duty station out of boot was 3ID, 2/64 Armor in Schweinfurt, FRG. After I arrived, and before the family came over, I spent most of my off time out in the economy looking for an apartment for my family, and getting to know my way around.

My first trip to a schwimmbad was an eye opener, no doubt. Anyone who has been to a public German swimming pool knows, they aren't shy. It was not uncommon to see a lot of naked people. I was a little unsettled to say the least. It was not what I was used to. The same thing was common around almost every lake and pond in Germany that I ran across. I guess the easiest way to say it is there were a lot of people with no clothes running around in the summer.

Now to my point. After a few months, I became accustomed to seeing men and women of all ages without their clothes. It no longer seemed unnatural, and I was comfortable around these people.

The same thing will happen with open carry. Once people are used to seeing it all the time, they will get used to it and think nothing about it. It's just human nature for the most part.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Oct 30 at 2014 11:17 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:17:49 -0400

I'm going to pile on, it looks like we have a broad consensus on RP on this topic which is great! 1. 2nd amendment Good. 2. Concealed Carry Good. 3. Open Carry mostly good (some disagreement). 4. Property rights Good (restaurants asking you to leave are not infringing your 2nd amendment rights, they are exercising their property rights) 5. Carrying long guns into public places to gain attention BAD! Obviously very bad, poor politics, intimidating, rude, inconsiderate, unsafe, and tactically unsound. doing this runs a serious risk of a gun rights supporter plugging you in the chest with a concealed pistol.

My personal plans of action in a restaurant, I always sit watching the door, I always know the exits (hyper vigilance anyone?)
A: Someone comes in shooting or weapon at the ready 1. Seek cover, draw weapon. 2. Get family to safe exit. 3. Engage threat if presented clear shot. 4. Escape. 5. Call police. 6. Report. B: Someone comes in with weapon slung on front, but not at ready: 1. Seek cover, hand on grip do not draw 2. Get family to safest exit (including emergency exits 3. If shooting commences go to plan A, 4. Escape 5. Call Police 6. Report.
C: Someone comes in with long gun slung on back, or holstered pistol with no displayed badge. 1. Calmly pack up food, depart by common exit in safe, calm, expeditious manner. 2. Depending on local laws report or do not.
D: Someone comes in with holstered pistol and displayed badge or printing in their clothing indicates concealed weapon: 1. continue eating, this person gets scanned along with the door every couple seconds until he/she departs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 1:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:24:26 -0400

At first I must admit I thought Open Carry Texas were a bunch of ******* IDIOTS. This coming from a gun owner and AR very pro 2A. These folks are carrying long guns under Open Carry Texas laws to show everyone the backwards laws that call for illegality to open carry a hand gun but it is legal to open carry a long gun.

Now at the same token, COL Vincent Stoneking said something very poignant here, "because I can" doesn't mean "I should." You and I, know full well about handguns & long rifles and how to implore them same as we should know the laws in our state regarding firearms. But when you carry into a Starbucks or Wal-mart or Target, you are asking for trouble. Most people aren't ready to accept that, its threatening and intimidating to them. Well why? because certain groups/people with an elitist behavior who have an agenda and with the help of media, have demonized the legal gun owners of this country. Even the group of the NRA accused the civil rights demonstrators of lacking “consideration and manners,” “downright foolishness,” and a “hijinx.” Do groups like OCT hurt the 2nd amendment? Well its one thing to properly educate and raise awareness about legal gun ownership/rights/responsibilities and I will add go out there and get some training. On the same token, going into a Starbucks with a AK-47 strapped to your back so you can order your skinny caramel macchiato with whip cream doesn't pass the common sense test either.

Part the other big problem is you have legislators who don't even understand how the current gun laws in their states work and they want to pass knee-jerk legislation. You don't believe me, watch this buffoon>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAeI7rTjJMQ Close the loopholes, revamped the current laws, fix the ones we have now.

To me, any constitutional right that a state or the federal government tramples must be protected. All of our individual rights are precious and must be advocated at all cost. Americans, maybe not all, have an irrational fear of guns, too bad society has been conditioned to fear people who open carry.

California "Ghost Gun" with attached comments

adding a little reason to an otherwise useless video.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2014 7:11 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:11:02 -0400

While I don't necessarily agree with their tactics, I support their cause. I live in KY which is a constitutional open carry state where you need no special permit to open carry but establishments can restrict this but it holds no weight of law, but you could catch a trespassing charge. It has been proven time and time again that an armed society is a polite society. In areas where guns are banned, crime rates are astronomically high. Gun Free zones are nothing but defenseless zones and if a criminal sees a weapon, they are more likely to not commit any acts of violence at that location.
Does this group take it to the extreme buy walking around with AR-15s slung on their back, yes. Am I threatened by them, not a chance. I carry concealed and open depending on the day and my mood. Have I ever had a confrontation when open carrying, yes. Have I changed people's minds about guns when the conversation is brought up? More times than not.

Response by CPT Steven Harder made Oct 31 at 2014 2:08 AM

CPT Steven Harder — Fri, 31 Oct 2014 02:08:28 -0400

Personally, they can open carry all they want . . . I'll stay concealed.

I prefer the "surprise" option of CC and I don't like giving anyone intent on doing harm the advantage of knowing what I'm carrying. I have a number of CC weapons and if someone wants to know what make/model/caliber at any given time . . . they will have to give me cause to draw.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2014 4:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 04:11:11 -0500

I don't necessarily believe they are looking for attention (not all of the folks that open carry are anyway). It would depend on where they are and what they are doing. Some of these groups do go out to see if it catches peoples attention. The best thing to do is to just ignore them (within reason).

I'm from Alabama (Open Carry state) and it was very common to see people openly carrying everywhere they went. I personally believe its better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Response by SGT Kevin Gardner made Nov 14 at 2014 12:22 PM

SGT Kevin Gardner — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:22:42 -0500

The picture of those Guns is just plain horrendous, and I would not want to be seen carrying them. All of us here have or should have an understanding of rights, I personally feel that the reason why some people think Open carry advocates are insane, because they feel they have no choice but to speak out. How often do people protest for one right or another, is the 2nd amendment any different? No its not. Look personally no one needs to know what I have, but if my shirt ends up being too short to conceal my firearm or I am reaching for something on a shelf and my firearm can be seen, and someone takes issue with it, tough because my security takes precedence over your insecurity.

Not so funny story. I took my wife to a doctor’s appointment in Spokane WA being a law abiding citizen I left my firearm at the house, as I do not trust leaving it in my truck, anyhow my wife my daughter and I came home to see our house being broken into this happened March 27th 2014, I live out in the country, I confronted the two meth heads as they dove in to their car with stolen items from my house and in the process of them trying to make an escape I got hit by the car and ran into a stand of pine trees, I quickly limped back into my house grabbed my firearm from my safe and went back outside in time to see both of them trying to get out of the car. It took the deputies an hour and a half to get to my house even after i had fired a warning shot while my wife was on the phone with 911.

Open carry, conceal carry if you’re a law abiding citizen carry everywhere you go.

Response by SSgt Jim Rooth made Nov 15 at 2014 12:15 PM

SSgt Jim Rooth — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:15:30 -0500

You bring some very viable points to the concept of open carry. I agree assault rifles would not be the weapon of choice I would have. The weapons pictured above would not be thought of in Texas (I believe) as anything but showy and crass. Given that, if open carry passes in the state of Texas, they would in fact be legal. I do not think that the Open Carry Texas group would be carrying this type of weapon though. Most are doing it now to illustrate the point that it is legal to carry openly shotguns and rifles so why not pistols? I have lived in open carry states and have not seen any increased open aggression. In fact the opposite seems to be the case. Because of this, I believe that open carrying would help cut down things like road rage and open affronts. Unfortunately it will not stop them as there are always idiots that will push the envelope and think they have the right because their ---t doesn't stink. The only thing I would require or want is that even open carry requires a permit. That way we would have the knowledge that the person has had some training and is not incapable of handling the weapon. I have not read any open carry proposal but would hope that stipulation would be included. 75 years ago, I would doubt you would be able to find a majority of Texans who were not proficient with weapons. Today I am sure the reverse is true.

Response by Sgt Jason West made Dec 17 at 2014 6:01 PM

Sgt Jason West — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:01:42 -0500

The original intent of the open carry movement in Texas was to show how moronic our current laws are. Why is it legal for me to walk through Kroger with a rifle slung over my shoulder, my concealed carry in my waistband but NOT legal for me to wear a pistol in a visable holster on my belt?

Then the idiots and selfie jackasses took over.....

Response by SGT Charles Vernier made Dec 17 at 2014 7:45 PM

SGT Charles Vernier — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:45:32 -0500

A Rifle, Carbine, or shotgun is a weapon you either carry for hunting, or when you are expecting armed confrontation. Unless you threat assessment shows a probability of a terrorist attack at the local Country Buffet leave the long guns at home. If you want to carry openly, carry your handgun in a quality holster with some sort of retention device, and keep it secured unless you need it (by need I don't me taking pictures to impress the people of Walmart).

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 8:48 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:48:24 -0500

The concept of open cary doesn't bother me in the least. It's the way that it's being done that gets stuck in my craw. The picture above is a bit over the top. I don't have an issue with someone in open cary with a typical sidearm. Think Glock 27 or something. Carying around a semi-auto short rifle painted like you're going to a patriotic gay-rights parade is garish and unecessary. If it's about protection, make it about protection...not about your ability to cary around a long rifle.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2014 12:44 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:44:28 -0500

I support the cause they promote, but I think they go about it the wrong way.

Response by Sgt Jason West made Dec 18 at 2014 12:48 PM

Sgt Jason West — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:48:17 -0500

Oh, and I am not sure of where this picture was taken but besides being God awful ugly firearms, those are illegal to open carry in Texas. That and the guys glove makes me think this was NOT at an Open Carry Texas rally/event.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 18 at 2014 6:01 PM

SSG Tim Everett — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:01:21 -0500

Attention whores, every one of them. There's a difference in exercising your right, and then pissing off anti-gun people who are only going to A.) get more scared and B.) push for stricter legislation. I own firearms, several of them. I shoot them frequently. These people, and the NRA, do not represent me and I do not endorse them.

Response by SN Sean Willson made Dec 19 at 2014 7:35 PM

SN Sean Willson — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:35:03 -0500

I believe that if a person feels the necessity to carry a weapon in public they should be allowed. I also believe openly carrying a firearm is asking for trouble. Open carry draws unnecessary, and often unwanted, attention to oneself. It invites criticism, ridicule and confrontation. If you feel the need to carry a weapon keep it out of view. It's that damn simple.

Response by John Russell made Dec 19 at 2014 7:50 PM

John Russell — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:50:41 -0500

Thats cool and all but I sure as hell hope not one of those guns gives any friendly fire by accident. How many geniuses do you see on the roads driving these days? You see now? Yup..my point exactly.

Response by Sgt Jason West made Dec 24 at 2014 5:00 PM

Sgt Jason West — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:00:02 -0500

From the Open Carry Texas site

"Open Carry" is the name of the organization, but fundamentally, we believe in "Constitutional Carry." The Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution states, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." We believe laws restricting how firearms are are kept or carried is an infringement to this right. Hundreds of thousands of Texans carry concealed, (with an expensive license) but it is currently illegal to openly carry a modern handgun in Texas. The next step towards constitutional carry is legalizing the open carry of sidearms. If you can legally own a gun, you should be able to carry it openly or concealed.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Feb 28 at 2015 4:07 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:07:02 -0500

Well, a lot of people say they don't feel the need to walk around armed. The problem with that thinking is that nobody needs a gun...until they need a gun. Nobody needs a spare tire, either, until they get a flat, but most people think it is prudent to carry a spare tire in their vehicle.

As far as open carry, I'm from Arizona where it has always been legal to do so and no one freaks out when they see someone open carrying. The problem, lately, are the yayhoos who seem to be trying to get a reaction by walking into Starbucks with AR's and AK's strapped to their backs, making people feel really uncomfortable. I don't have a problem with people open carrying as long as they are doing it responsibly.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Mar 5 at 2015 2:04 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:04:51 -0500

does this mean I can open carry a double bladed battleaxe?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 2:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 14:43:13 -0400

I am Stationed at Fort Huachuca andthe law here says that you can have a concealed carry permit but you don't have to. you can't carry in any place that serves alcohol and I respect that. I personally open carry my pistol when not at work I live out away from any town and don't have any close neighbors with some of the people that are crossing the border down here I'm not coming home empty handed. Most people here carry in some way. So I don't have a problem with someone carrying open or other wise if you are trained and doing it for a reason besides cause you can.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made May 23 at 2015 7:39 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Sat, 23 May 2015 19:39:38 -0400

I think we need to get used to it. We've become a nation of pansies.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made May 23 at 2015 8:11 PM

PFC Tuan Trang — Sat, 23 May 2015 20:11:01 -0400

I don't like open carry, it scare the public.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made May 24 at 2015 12:00 AM

SrA Matthew Knight — Sun, 24 May 2015 00:00:24 -0400

I love firearms and I am okay with open carry of sidearms and such but when I see the videos on YouTube of people "Defending" their rights to open carry I can't help but think they are making things worse, mainly because they are open carrying rifles and shotguns walking around in populated areas like they are making a trip to the store which, I don't care who you are, is completely unnecessary. All it does is add to the stereotype of gun owners being nut jobs.

If you want to open carry, keep it to a side arm. You won't stand out as much and you are still prepared if you need it for any reason.

Response by SSG John Erny made Jun 12 at 2015 5:33 PM

SSG John Erny — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:33:53 -0400

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Pretty clear to me.

In some cases I support the right for bears to keep arms also. :-)

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jul 10 at 2015 11:09 AM

SPC David Hannaman — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:09:22 -0400

I agree, their methods are counterproductive to their cause... just like talking about gun control causes a spike in gun sales.

Response by SGT William Howell made Jul 10 at 2015 12:05 PM

SGT William Howell — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:05:21 -0400

I truly think it is very counter productive to any of us true pro-gun people.

Second, it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck for 2 reasons. 1. I have been a cop for years and I don't trust about 40% of the the cops I worked with to be anywhere around me with a gun. Now these idiots, I have no clue what kind of skills these morons have with a AR-15 slung on their back. 2. I don't know if they are law abiding citizens or on their way to start shooting up Micky D's.

The only good I can see out of this is the fact a real active shooter is going to shoot these morons first and I can get to cover, draw, and engage the threat.

From this photo I can see a couple things wrong. Fruity guns and Michigan gloves.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 7:58 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 07:58:01 -0400

A weapon openly carried is better at dissuading trouble than a concealed one. It is irrational to feel threatened or worried when people open carry, and this is born in part from how infrequent it is anymore. The more we go out with a weapon on our hips, the easier it is for others to swallow.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Aug 23 at 2015 11:34 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 23:34:27 -0400

Do not know why they feel the need for carrying alot of firepower. Usually feel safe most places I go.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 9:57 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 21:57:35 -0400

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(The title of the second Amendment)

I will support and defend the constitution of the United States

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Sep 14 at 2015 9:22 AM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:22:57 -0400

When you don't exercise your rights, you lose them.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Apr 29 at 2016 12:27 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:27:10 -0400

Right now this country is going through a rough time with the POTUS attempting to remove privately owned weapons, this has no doubt ruffled tons of feathers. I dont agree with all the individuals throwing their rights around in public like we see on countless vids, but I also dont agree with law enforcement stopping individuals who open carry either, both sides are just asking for confrontation, if its an open carry state I believe law enforcement have no business stopping anyone with in reason. This state (UTAH) has some kind of gang law and if an officer see's more than 4 known gang members (we have a huge issue with illegals here) clustered they will stop and arrest them, also not many criminals walk around communities flashing weapons so its pretty obvious when you see someone with a weapon properly holstered more than not ,its a law abiding citizen

Response by SGT Aaron Atwood made Nov 3 at 2017 10:48 AM

SGT Aaron Atwood — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:48:32 -0400

To me the current society and lifestyle dictate if and when it is appropriate to openly carry. In Switzerland during the Federalfeldschiessen it is acceptable in many places to openly carry your issued weapon because there's a rock solid chance you're either going to or coming from the local range for the annual qualification festival. Here in the states I think it is more to the discretion of each municipality. In the rural parts of the country hardly anyone would be blinking an eye if you were seen walking down the road in hunting cammies and take-your-pick long gun. In the likes of NYC that's about as good an idea as you flipping off your instructors in basic training/boot camp. If you're new to the area you're in check with locals on whether or not it's socially acceptable to carry in any particular way. Law may say one thing, but that doesn't mean the locals are cool about it. Remember the "A" in SURVIVAL: Act like the natives.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2018 7:07 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 19:07:09 -0400

Having moved away from the big city, I no longer feel it necessary to CARRY. However, in the last BIG city where we lived, believe me, it was necessary, especially as a business owner who was known to carry money collections. Now retired, and living out in the farmlands, we no longer feel the need, even when going to town (a much smaller community of about 10,000).

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Apr 3 at 2018 4:19 PM

1SG Cj Grisham — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:19:19 -0400

Looks like their activism worked. Thanks to them, Texas was made an open carry state.

Response by SPC David Willis made Apr 3 at 2018 4:45 PM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:45:41 -0400

What in the holy hell is going on in this picture? Ive never understood the point of not having a stock on a rifle receiver but I get that some people do... but those paint jobs... WTF??? The fanny pack style sling/holster???

Response by SPC Russell T. Andrews made Jul 4 at 2018 3:18 PM

SPC Russell T. Andrews — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:18:21 -0400

So you're for open / concealed carry as long as it's you doing the carrying everyone else does not have a second amendment,just you.. that's how your story reads...

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Aug 19 at 2018 9:34 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:34:21 -0400

Robert A. Heinlein Quotes. An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Seems true in most instances. There are those who believe in open carry and their are those who carry concealed. If you have your firearm outside of your clothing you will attract attention from every American who sees you and most certainly from every law enforcement officer too. Be ready and be respectful of the rights of that officer to question your open carry lifestyle.

Response by CPL Douglas Chrysler made Aug 19 at 2018 10:04 PM

CPL Douglas Chrysler — Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:04:52 -0400

I conceal carry rather than open because it gives the armed person a clear advantage. I've never been approached, so I must be doing it right.
I don't mind people who open carry long guns or hand guns so long as maintain respect for others and always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

Response by CW3 David Vinson made Oct 15 at 2018 10:00 PM

CW3 David Vinson — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:00:52 -0400

I'll carry my weapon concealed because I have an License an I'm in Electronic Wheelchair and I have people try to take advantage of me,sitting in the chair.I have right to protection myself.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Oct 15 at 2018 10:09 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:09:13 -0400

I have my CCW but mainly because my other job requuires me to open carry.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Dec 10 at 2018 2:22 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:22:16 -0500

I currently reside in the state of Missouri. (St. Louis) and have been carrying concealed since I retired military in 93. I don’t walk around bragging, gloating or looking for attention. If you don’t carry in St. Louis, you need to stay home or move to another state.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Aug 15 at 2019 1:45 PM

SFC Michael D. — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:45:04 -0400

I carry and live in Texas but don't feel the need to open carry. My thoughts are, if I'm a criminal, I'd take out everyone I see carrying first. I don't want to be that guy who got shot because they saw my weapon.

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Aug 15 at 2019 3:00 PM

SGT Steve McFarland — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:00:42 -0400

Even if I was there and could open-carry, I wouldn't, and I wouldn't join their "protest". Concealed-only for me.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Oct 7 at 2019 11:37 AM

SGT Thomas Seward — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 11:37:03 -0400

Hmmm, I find it interesting that you mentioned negligent discharges. The last one that comes to mind was the FBI agent that, through his own negligence, shot an innocent bystander in a bar. That kind of negligent discharge? Or are you referring to Amber Guyger, the Dallas police officer that went into the wrong apartment and murdered the occupant for eating ice cream?
As for people needing training before carrying, do you think that a retired First Sergeant might have had at least rudimentary training?
Finally, you stated that you don’t consider weapons as a means of home security. Would you prefer that law abiding citizens just lay down and allow criminals to run rampant? Or are you of the belief that the police are actually there to prevent crimes. No, they are there to take reports.

Response by SPC Kathy Sands made Mar 9 at 2020 1:32 PM

SPC Kathy Sands — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 13:32:26 -0400

I'm personnally glad I live in a state where open carry of assault weapons & other military-grade armament will NEVER pass. People are murdered at wedding receptions, outside & in restaurants & clubs, pretty much anywhere that there's too much testosterone, esp when combined with alcohol, meth, cocaine and/or PvP or in process of detoxing of same.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Mar 21 at 2020 10:04 AM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:04:49 -0400

Great opinion. You mirror mine. Now, be prepared for the attacks.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Mar 21 at 2020 11:16 AM

SPC Kevin Ford — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:16:09 -0400

I have a CCP too but don’t really feel the need to carry. I keep a weapon in my RV for protection.

I have no problem with those that carry as I don’t know their circumstances. But I agree that those that open carry to places they know it is not welcome are likely just trying to get attention.

Response by COL John McClellan made Mar 21 at 2020 1:20 PM

COL John McClellan — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:20:06 -0400

I think everything in that photo is disturbing and wrong, to include turning the flag into clothing and weapon pouches or painting it on weapons!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2020 4:08 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:08:47 -0400

I don’t really think or care about it. If they want to, it’s their right.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 21 at 2020 4:57 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:57:12 -0400

I need to weigh in my thought and then with a good situation, because I open and conceal carry.

My thought is I'd rather be in a room full of people carrying than in a room full of people and be the only one carrying.

I was in a supermarket one day and a elderly woman kept staring at me. She approached me in one of the isles and said"Thank You." My response was Ma'am" and she replied "For carrying your pistol."

Response by LCDR Clark Paton made Mar 21 at 2020 10:04 PM

LCDR Clark Paton — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:04:44 -0400

These are the kind of guns I prefer, and open carry is preferable:

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made Mar 21 at 2020 10:51 PM

CPT Andrew Wright — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:51:31 -0400

We have had open carry here in Oklahoma since October 2019 and it seems to be working well so far. There are still robberies and car jackings often enough is the larger cities so why shouldn't law abiding citizens have the option to defend themselves. If the bad guys can carry guns why not the good guys!

Response by CPL Sharon Fahey made Jul 22 at 2021 1:26 PM

CPL Sharon Fahey — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:26:03 -0400

Training, training, training...and respect for any weapon.