What do you think of sex offenders being separated from the army ASAP?

SFC Ricardo Ruiz — Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:52:04 -0500

<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">BREAKING NEWS</span></font><div><font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The secretary of the Army has issued an order to round up all convicted sex offenders in the service “as soon as possible” and initiate proceedings for their discharge from the Army.</span></font></div>

Response by SFC James Baber made Nov 21 at 2013 1:13 AM

SFC James Baber — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:13:50 -0500

My question would be how did they get in the Army in the 1st place, when I was on Recruiting duty, I vaguely remember sex offenses were one of those that didn't qualify for a moral waiver, so I am confused on this. And as an MP, I also thought that once you were charged and convicted either within the Army for a sex offense or through the civilian courts, you were done and gone anyway. So again, I ask how is this even feasible that these individuals are in the service in the 1st place.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Nov 21 at 2013 1:22 AM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:22:59 -0500

Somebody let sex offenders in? Unbelievable. I honestly thought that would have been an issue at MEPS to qualify for service. Still, there is the issue of sex offenders who's recorded activity has only occurred since wearing the uniform... By the way, how does that apply to GO1 violations down range?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 21 at 2013 7:46 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:46:39 -0500

<p>Everyone keeps asking "how did they get in the Army in the first place?". Ladies and gentlemen, people commit crimes AFTER they enter the military as well. It's not an recruiting issue, but a disciplinary one.</p><p> </p><p> For clarification, the actual message is entitled "Army Directive 2013-21 (Initiating Seperation Proceedings and Prohibiting Overseas Assignments for Soldiers Convicted of Sex Offense)".</p><p> </p><p>Please look it up and read what it actually entails, both for Enlisted personnel and Commisioned Officers. It's an interesting read. I would paste it here, but RP loves to play with the formatting of long copy+paste jobs.</p><p> </p>

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 21 at 2013 11:05 AM

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:05:58 -0500

What I dont understand is if they have been convicted of assault or rape then how are they still in the Army? Wouldnt they be in Leavenworth? If not then the Commander who made that decision needs to be repremanded as well.

Response by SFC Ricardo Ruiz made Nov 21 at 2013 7:04 PM

SFC Ricardo Ruiz — Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:04:47 -0500

1LT Barber you are right. The military is being target by sex offenders to include a great number of applicants are denied entry but I'm not sure MEPS Stations are 100 on this. I got my info from http://www.trynova.org/help-crime-victim/dsaacp/. I am also a certified Sharp Rep.  <div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.trynova.org/wp-content/themes/NOVA/images/NOVA-Tagline-Home.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.trynova.org/help-crime-victim/dsaacp/">Department of Defense Sexual Assault Advocate Certification Program | National Organization for Victim Assistance</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Department of Defense Sexual Assault Response Coordinators (SARCs) and Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Victim Advocates (SAPR VAs) pursue certification through the DOD Sexual Assault Advocate C...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2013 8:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:20:39 -0500

Geez....Enough already.

Response by SFC Ricardo Ruiz made Nov 24 at 2013 3:24 PM

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Response by SSG Robert Burns made Nov 28 at 2013 11:03 AM

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:03:17 -0500

Offenders can't control the punishments they receive. I think the even bigger problem is Commanders who allow these fools to slip through with minimum consequences or under the rug in order to save face for their own butts. In my opinion they are worse than the offenders because they are fostering an environment where predators can thrive with get out of jail free cards.

Response by Cpl Ray Fernandez made Nov 28 at 2013 11:04 AM

Cpl Ray Fernandez — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:04:57 -0500

I'm not surprised by this, there are times when something that seemed like it should have been common sense or been done a long time before should be made an official policy. The legal term of being a sex offender has a wide range of classifications based on the nature and type of offense.

One Marine I served with was classified as a Sex Offender because of pure stupidity. He had been drinking and was asleep in the barracks, and a girl that he knew from around the base came knocking on his door, she told him that she needed to call for a ride. He thought the girl was over 18 but she had a fake ID.He went back to bed while she "waited" for her ride, and she jumped into his bed and had sex with him. The barracks Duty went into the room and busted him. They found out what happened the MPs came, and he was arrested when they figured out her age, and since 29 Palms is a shared jurisdiction, he also was processed by the state of California. Originally they were going to charge him with felony statutory rape, but after the evidence of her actions came into view the most they could get him for was misdemeanor. He still has to register as a sex offender when he moves to a new area.

We have to start somewhere when it comes to good ideas, it wasn't that long ago when military members who were charged with domestic violence were finally prevented from having/using weapons.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Nov 28 at 2013 2:01 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:01:43 -0500

Can someone provide a link? It's not as easy as it sounds. There are people who have had sexual offense related convictions and yet they are not on a sex offender list. Good luck finding all of those SMs. Some of those service members in the category committed their offenses before or after they joined the military. Will this be retroactive? People on the sex offender list should have not been allowed to join the service but who knows. Also, you must recognized that in some states sexual offenses involve public urination or involving a prostitute which are not even sexual assault. The Army like to some up new regs yet they fail to say how it should be implemented for it falls on the shoulders of the commander but that is how we screwed so bad with sexual assaults in the first place I think.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2013 10:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:16:40 -0500

As the military is certainly determined to decrease its ranks I feel it should not just be solely focused on separating sex offenders. Any UCMJ actions or lack of trainable personalities should be recommended for separation as the inevitable seems to be looming all the time. We have perfectly healthy 18-25 year old trainees where I am at and currently have more than half graduating annually with temporary or permanent profiles in the Army. Why would we keep Soldiers who haven't deployed for a job they can no longer do because they lack the will to endure some pain and push through 3 simple physical training events. Reduction in military strengths can come at a cost and now will be the time we have an opportunity to retain disciplined leadership and service members. My question to caveat is are any of the other Generals military-wide registered on the sex offenders list that committed SHARP violations.....hmm probably not. Sipping margaritas on forced retirements and enjoying the taxpayer dollars is probably a good punishment for them. A service member bearing far less rank is enjoying 10-20 yrs. in beautiful Leavenworth for the same crimes...

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 11 at 2014 11:35 PM

SFC James Baber — Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:35:09 -0500

I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.

We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 7 at 2014 6:00 PM

MSG Jose Colon — Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:00:04 -0400

About time.

Response by SPC Rachel Stubbs made Apr 9 at 2014 12:31 PM

SPC Rachel Stubbs — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:31:02 -0400

As an former MP and having to had deal with the victims of these crimes, it is of my personal belief that once service member had been found out that they are a registered sex offender should be let go from the military. Now i understand that if this was a crime that happened a great deal in the past perhaps like 15+ years earlier and the person had been straight with the law since that depending on the nature/violence of the crime and the length of time since the crime happened and any other criminal history that perhaps by a small smidgen should the soldier be given some reconsideration about discharge.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 29 at 2016 7:36 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:36:09 -0400

There are certain offenses that should warrant CM review as they are tantamount to a felony, this is one. Now, as the law goes, if found innocent or copped to a lesser charge and not a CM offense they should stay. Otherwise they should go. As for rounding them up after the fact, I am not sure the aw will support that, they can however prevent them from continued service when it is time to re-enlist.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Feb 14 at 2017 4:33 PM

PO1 John Johnson — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:33:24 -0500

Just wondering what took them this long?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2017 3:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 03:33:17 -0400

So nobody on hear thinks about those false allegations that commands just went with because of the politics behind SHARP. Everyone always thinks that because someone said they were assaulted, harassed or raped......doesn't mean they were. IF there is no evidence then why do we continue to go after the accused just because someone says so. Not saying that all victims are making false reports but some are. You should jump to judge and individual until you know the story. There are a ton of Soldiers who have had their lives ruined because one individual was upset at them for some reason. Why are we not looking at the entire process. Just food for thought.....don't be so quick to judge.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2017 8:31 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:31:46 -0400

Good riddance.
I don't care what kind of super Soldier you are otherwise, this will get my pair of size 9 1/2 boots planted squarely in your fifth point of contact.

Response by PFC Don Friends made Aug 15 at 2017 9:21 AM

PFC Don Friends — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:21:39 -0400

Absolutely, they price they pay for their actions...