What do you think of the Black Lives Matter movement?

2016-07-08T19:47:34-04:00

What do you think of the black lives matter movement? I think it's ironic that they're chanting that they want dead cops, but somehow they aren't inciting violence and when the shooting starts they all run for cover and expect the cops that they want dead to protect them. BLM is a terrorist organization that incite violence and are a bunch of hypocrites.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 7:51 PM

2016-07-08T19:51:17-04:00

I couldn't disagree more. There are certain people who support the movement that also support the killing of cops, however most of the people involved in the BLM(from my personal experience) just want the equal treatment of Black people in America. BLM is not a terrorist organization. For example, the man who was killed for shooting those officers in Dallas clearly stated that he was NOT a part of BLM and did what he did for his own reasons. But this is just my opinion.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Jul 8 at 2016 7:51 PM

2016-07-08T19:51:46-04:00

They are more racist than most of the racists they say their movement aims to fight. They cause more harm than good in their protests by spreading toxic and racist propaganda to the public along with causing damage and riots in their own communities. They are hypocrites 100% and I have no respect for anyone that's a part of that movement.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 8 at 2016 7:53 PM

2016-07-08T19:53:47-04:00

I'm not going to "Tea Party" them. There are good people who have valid concerns and feel that this is a way to get their message out. There are violent extremists who want to tear America down and rebuild it in the "kinder and more benevolent" authoritarian regimes where white males are punished for their "white, Christian, male privilege". Unfortunately, the idiots get all the press.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 8 at 2016 7:54 PM

2016-07-08T19:54:51-04:00

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Nonsense, you have no idea what constitutes a terrorist organization. Get educated. BLM isn't even an organization it's a slogan. Educate yourself before you make such an uniformed post.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jul 8 at 2016 7:56 PM

2016-07-08T19:56:33-04:00

I think it started as a peaceful organization. But now terrorist are useing it to be violent toward their intended targets.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 8 at 2016 8:18 PM

2016-07-08T20:18:32-04:00

18 U.S. Code § 2331
the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

As used in this title, the term “organization” means a person other than an individual.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jul 8 at 2016 8:22 PM

2016-07-08T20:22:56-04:00

why is that that White guys are the first to make connections with Black Lives Matter, but not make the same connection when white officers take the easy way out by shooting Black Americans.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 9:09 PM

2016-07-08T21:09:16-04:00

In two simple words

LIVES MATTER

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 9:38 PM

2016-07-08T21:38:09-04:00

Here is my response to the so-called birth of this terrorist organization. By FBI statistics more white people are killed every single year then African-Americans. The only reason the shootings ever get any attention is because the media chooses only to report on stuff that's going to get them headlines i.e White cop or someone who is perceived to be white shoots a black guy. Why does the media never report on all the police killing white people? Because they're looking for headlines in the police killing a white guy does not make headlines.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 9:59 PM

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It's a hate group. Other than that I'm not sure what good comes out of such an open-ended question.

And just in case I'm labeled a "racist," let me introduce you to a few more:

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups
Neo-Nazi groups
White nationalist groups
Racist skinhead groups
Black separatist groups
Neo-Confederate groups
Christian Identity groups
Jamaat al-Muslimeen
Jewish Task Force
Masjid al Islam

It looks like hate transcends racial, ethnic, and religious boundaries.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jul 8 at 2016 10:07 PM

2016-07-08T22:07:55-04:00

Black Lives Matter, Blue Lives matter, White Lives matter.... ALL lives matter. But police are a different breed. Would YOU walk up and knock on the window of a carload of blacks or whites without apprehension? Who knows what you might face? The majority of police really do want to SERVE and PROTECT. If I am driving and cross the yellow line several times and get noticed by a patrol car I don't mind getting pulled over. What if I really was DUI or DWI and getting stopped prevented me from killing myself or another carload of people? But anytime I have seen a parade of BLM advocates marching down the street I always see signs that say "Kill the Pigs" Ever seen a cadre of police filling the street carrying signs that say "Kill the Blacks!"? No, and you won't.
My and my wifes' hearts, thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the officers whom were killed or wounded today by a lone wolf nut job. That guy got blown into dime sized pieces by the police robot carrying Semtex. That makes me smile.... :-)
Rick

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 8 at 2016 10:15 PM

2016-07-08T22:15:49-04:00

ALL LIVES MATTER.
PERIOD
END OF STATEMENT
NOTHING you say can trump this. NOT ONE single life is more important than any other life.

Response by SPC Justin Gay made Jul 8 at 2016 10:40 PM

2016-07-08T22:40:55-04:00

Terrorist organization no hypocrites very much so just like most people in politics and famous people all want to call for gun control but who protects most of them and with what do they protect them with under their jackets....

Response by SP5 Mark Kuzinski made Jul 8 at 2016 10:47 PM

2016-07-08T22:47:24-04:00

"0" - all lives matter.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 10:54 PM

2016-07-08T22:54:15-04:00

This will give you an idea of what Black Lives Matter mean. https://youtu.be/NtAAeyswlHM

All Lives Matter

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 10:57 PM

2016-07-08T22:57:01-04:00

I give it no more thought than I do a neglected, overused latrine.

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Jul 8 at 2016 11:03 PM

2016-07-08T23:03:53-04:00

I would have more respect for them if they addressed the true killer of young black men. Other young black men.

Response by PO3 Ricky Foster made Jul 8 at 2016 11:53 PM

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Response by SPC Kirk Gilles made Jul 9 at 2016 12:06 AM

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It is a political organization. Follow the money backward to see which party gives the marching orders. Occupy Wall Street was a ad hoc political organization too. It's just another tool of distraction and division. And it works. Occupy vanished after the election cycle ended. BLM may do the same. The leaders become wealthy and hit the speaking circuit. The funding dries up, regular people are left no better off. No change occurs.

Response by PO2 Deborah Burr made Jul 9 at 2016 12:13 AM

2016-07-09T00:13:48-04:00

We need to support unity for all, not separatism. We need to support accountability for all, not separatism.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jul 9 at 2016 12:35 AM

2016-07-09T00:35:47-04:00

It's kind of like Islam. Some are just along for the sense of belonging. Some are in it for what they can get. And some are just looking for an excuse to party. Then there are the few sociopaths who hide in the crowd to cover their crimes

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 12:46 AM

2016-07-09T00:46:47-04:00

Hi,

You seem reasonable and level headed. I hardly voice my opinion on social media but when I do, I take it amongst my fellow brothers and sisters in arm to discuss the elephant in the room. Clearly, some of the problems at hand are about some race issues and a lack of trust by the black community. I wasn't even born into the U.S. I came from Africa as a refugee but I witnessed that distrust first hand. Why is it becoming taboo to discuss our differences? Some argue that because then we must promote unity/similarly (i.e. Equality) but whenever inequalities resurface, then it is taboo to address those inequalities. Even Martin Luther King Jr. would have been viewed a "thug" considering his arrests, mugshots and incarcerations. On another hand, we all know he had followers who split from his nonviolent ideology to violence. That is what I believe (if I'm not mistaken) is what SSG Stephan Pendarvis meant that BLM started out as a peaceful organization. We all have heard the talking points and sound bites of how "All Lives Matter" and the rebuttals and line of reasoning for why insisting on "Black Lives Matter". We as Americans celebrate our individuality just as much as we do our commonality. I already know how much heat I am about to get for posing the next question but pardon me if I feel that something is broken here. Why is it so hard for some white people to understand that black people have been holding on to their dear inalienable rights for far too long?

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Jul 9 at 2016 1:04 AM

2016-07-09T01:04:07-04:00

This is about as loaded a question that was "answered" the minute it was posted. Ok SPC answer these UNloaded questions:
1. Who is the recognized leader of the BLM? No ASSumptions, I want a name(S).
2. Where is their national recognized headquarters? They have to be somewhere
3. Name or post a video of a CONFIRMED member of the BLM advocating for violence.
4. What did they DO and then call the cops on?
5. What definition of terrorist organization are you using. Every agency has their own, so which one?
6. Post where they called the police and directly asked them to "protect" them?
7. The shooting in Dallas....WHO was responsible, and WHO was he affiliated with?
8. How is it that a legislator can tweet a threat to a sitting President and no one bats an eye....any minority tweets harm to a cop or is stupid enough to make a video of it, he gets arrested?
9. In the cases of the cops who were shooting these unarmed individuals, neither were going to or trying to harm the arresting officers. The last one clearly shows the cop scream "gun" while the man was STILL pinned under the car, and was shot to death. So if a cop has me pinned under a car, not one but TWO cops are holding me there, there is NO WAY without either cop releasing me I could even come close to grabbing a weapon, but they yell "gun" my life is over. That's justice for you? That's acceptable to you?
I reckon you get around your buddies and said "another nigga gone thank goodness". "We should've sent their asses back to Africa when we had the chance". "That Beyonce bitch, needs to have her mouth broken for speaking"... up against an injustice that plays ok on one side, and makes you instantly guilty on the other?

I am 74 inches tall. I weigh 320lbs. I can bench and squat my body weight with no problems. I've served my country proudly. How many cops have you come across that told you they will not fight or argue with you, they will shoot you straight up? I've had NO LESS that 15 tell me that. How does that make you feel, knowing that the rules of force will be violated just off size and looks? To be fair to those cops, some of them I knew personally and they explained why they said it, and there were/are no hard feelings between us. They explained why, with facts not arrogant bias, and I talk to a few on the regular. But there have been a few who were dead serious. Is that ok to you?

See this whole post was a chickenshit means of not having a productive conversation about what something is in fact, but a means for you to spew out some BS that was even clarified by the local PD Chief. But maybe as a SPC you know more about investigations and tactics that that cop who's served 30 years on the force.
"Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party, a group that has advocated violence against whites, and Jews in particular". I didn't see BLM mentioned AT ALL in there. Did you? I will list where I got this from so you can read it yourself.
"During the standoff, Mr. Johnson, who was black, told police negotiators that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter,” Chief Brown said....ok Mr. Superinvestigator, if he was in anyway affiliated with BLM what he told the Chief was the exact opposite of what was mentioned by you. Who's wrong? The man talking to the suspect or you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?_r=0
BLM is a terrorist organization? Did they capture or take prisoner anyone in the US? Did they actively engage in ANY governmental coups?
http://fortune.com/2016/07/08/black-lives-matter-speaks-out-against-dallas-shooting/ maybe you can scroll to the part where they said they were AGAINST the shootings.
"Prior to the shooting, the protest on the streets of Dallas was peaceful and controlled. It was led by protesters who spoke out against the police killings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. The deaths of these black men, which happened on consecutive days, catalyzed outrage and prompted protests in cities across the country. However, just because the movement aims to end police violence against black lives does NOT mean it encourages violence against police by black people. Black Lives Matter has never, ever insinuated that other lives don’t. And dismissing the movement’s real agenda ignores the torment and terror protesters faced Thursday night, too"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dont-blame-black-lives-matter-for-the-deaths-of-dallas-cops_us_577f9409e4b01edea78d6514
Chicago police detained more than 7,000 people at secret interrogation center: This was done without giving the arrestees their Miranda rights, access to a lawyer, or the families of those arrested a chance to meet with their loved ones. This would be paramount to kidnapping, denial of due process, illegal detention, but that is only done by BLM and terrorist orgs right?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-cops-detained-7-000-secret-interrogation-center-article-1.2404256
If the "moderate Imams" don't stand up and denounce the practice of terrorism, they are complicit in it although silently, That came off an RP member. Now how many cops are there on the force in the US? Using this analogy, EVERY SINGLE PO would be equal to a terrorist and their goal would be to "rid America of "non Americans" through the use of a badge and gun". Hold up I found a cop who IS currently serving AND spoke out against the injustices some cops can dish, but are unwilling to acknowledge happening
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679042/How-dare-stand-uniform-murder-somebody-Black-female-police-officer-delivers-powerful-impassioned-response-police-shootings.html
A cop violated the trust of the people he was "trusted" to police buy raping them. Do you know what a woman goes through mentally after being raped? The actual deed of raping was the "easy" part, getting her treatment, and to accept she did no wrong for the rest of her life is the HARD part, and some never make it. This cop singled out black women thinking no one would ever believe them over him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN-VLv1NZc

If you want I can keep going with this, to prove that not only did BLM have nothing to do with this, you're just as bad as the people you are condemning. A badge and a weapon does not make your life ANY better than mine, give you the right to hide behind your badge and do harm to me then use catch phrases to get out of trouble. I made my argument with references and quotes. Try answering the first questions, then counter my listed sources. Also if there wasn't a shred of truth to this and it wasn't a "black" thing, look at the makeup of the crowd.....if BLM is that bad, why is it that there are a substantial number of NON-Blacks marching in solidarity?

Five Dallas Officers Were Killed as Payback, Police Chief Says

The shooting rampage committed by Micah Johnson, 25, was described as the kind of retaliatory violence that people have feared for the last two years.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 1:09 AM

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Everyone's life matters. But a lot of folks do stuff in front of a camera just to get on the air. Seen too much of that in my 60+ on this planet. I usually revert back to that old saying if your one of the protesters just going for the 6 o'clock news and someone is breaking into your house call a plumber.

Response by Cpl D L Parker made Jul 9 at 2016 2:40 AM

2016-07-09T02:40:07-04:00

BLM came about after several incidences happen and the justice system didn't do anything. So the movement is saying BLACK LIVES MATTER ALSO. In other words we want the justice system to work for us also. BLM want the rights that you and I are/were willing to give our lives to protect. Not once did you see BLM explode a truck, gun down a theater of people, school of children, church of worshipers. BLM don't hide behind masks and badges. BLM practices it 1st amendment right to protest its government.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jul 9 at 2016 3:46 AM

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It is a terrorist organization based upon racism and lies, IMHO.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 4:06 AM

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Answer me this, FBI statistics show more white people are killed per year than Blacks. When was the last time you seen a story on the news about a black cop shooting a white guy? Probably never because the media will not report on something that doesn't make headlines but a police officer kills a black criminal and all hell breaks loose. Where's the outrage when a white person gets killed by police? Where are all the white peoples rioting and destroying their own community when a white person is killed by police? I don't care what race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, or any other demographic you are if you do stupid shit you win stupid prizes. And just to be clear, I don't think the 2 recent police involved shootings are justified.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jul 9 at 2016 6:07 AM

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All lives matter, people need to wake up and smell the coffee, not the smell of burnt gunpowder.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 6:32 AM

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I think it can be compared to the ultra right Tea party movement which was supported by enough crazies that it lost all credibility.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Jul 9 at 2016 6:38 AM

2016-07-09T06:38:14-04:00

"No one who claims to speak for the Black Lives Matter movement has promoted violence as a means to achieve an end. The message the movement spreads has nothing to do with inflicting violence or pain against police officers — or anyone else, for that matter. It is simply a call to end the police brutality and misconduct that disproportionately take a toll on black bodies" Someone show me where this is wrong. No I do not need to see some TV pundits opinion of what they are, prove that one said it. The whole cops are pigs thing? Please.....so when a minority says it, it must be real, but being that whole kill a pig thing has been said by multiple confirmed "orgs" that just so happen to have less melanin in the skin, we'll leave them alone and focus on what we "think" someone from BLM said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-violence-cops_us_55e77d82e4b0c818f61a9de8

At Cliven Bundys ranch he called on people to come to his land and defend his right to break the law. So you keep breaking the law, until they've finally had enough of your BS and come to collect. Now you have shooters in "sniper" positions to take out LEO's who were sent to do a job. I wonder how many are going to say that BLM was not authorized to have a police force, had no right to take his cattle, and he is a hero. Hell it worked the first time, lets go to Oregon take over a cause that had noting to do with them, and even the families involved distanced themselves from them, but they are patriots right? So in Dallas there is a man in a "sniper" position shooting at cops being he was upset over the treatment Blacks were given at the hands of police. Someone tell me there isn't a weird parallel between the two. BLM rather than get into an engagement with them pulled back. When they tried again in OR, the old man was shot and people actually had the nerve to blame the cops. So you want your cake and eat it too? That old man had a weapon on him, tried to draw it, and was put down. But it's the cops fault, NOT the old man who got what he had coming? Hypocritical much?
http://www.npr.org/2015/04/14/399397139/year-after-denying-federal-control-bundy-still-runs-his-bit-of-nevada
Oath Keepers " We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances". A protest is a fundamental right of any citizen given by the Constitution. They came to Ferguson, and they were asked, why are you here, and that was the line given. Who are you protecting? This is interesting. No answer, and most were with the local PD. So this group is allowed to show up and pick and choose who they align with, but if the common citizen does that, you'll be looking at bars for awhile. Hell they had better toys than the cops or the citizens had. Naw they can't be a "bad" org, there are cops, military, LEO's other first responders in this, so they have to be legit. So a troop cannot be a member of the Klan, Bloods, Crips, or any other questionable group, but the Oath Keepers are ok?
https://www.oathkeepers.org/

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"The Three Percenter’s Club exists to serve the American people, to protect and defend the constitution and our way of life.   TTPC's mission is give our members the capabilities and resources necessary to execute Military Strategies to defend against foreign and domestic enemies.   TTPC forces provide the capability to combat any threat, force, or occupation who's purpose is to gain, sustain, and exploit comprehensive control over land, resources, and the people of the United States of America.   The Three Percenter’s Club's capability compliments the other militias and resistance groups capabilities.   The Three Percenter’s Club is charged with providing Tactical, Logistical and other functions to enable other Militias and Resistance groups to accomplish their missions and to provide support during local and national emergencies by assisting civil authorities in maintaining emergency preparedness.   The Three Percenter’s Club is organized to accomplish this mission." This is damn near the exact same thing the Black Panthers did in their time. Where are the OG black panthers at now? I've seen SM's on here talking about being members of this org. If you can't join the others, it's ok to join this one? "Those with felony convictions are welcome in the Three Percenters, who work closely with the Oath Keepers. There appears to be substantial membership overlap and their most prominent members appear in public together; for example, Vanderboegh and Oath Keepers President and Founder Stewart Rhodes both spoke at a 2015 Salem, Oregon rally against a law requiring registration of gun sales between private individuals. This arrangement with the Three Percenters may afford the Oath Keepers a measure of insulation from public scrutiny of actions by Three Percenters. - See more at: http://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/01/05/profiles-on-the-right-three-percenters/#sthash.HosmsONL.dpuf
http://threepercentersclub.org/index.php/pages/education

So for all intents and purposes, if you join the "right" org, you're good to go. If you defy the government at the "right" time you're a true patriot. If you want to be a ass and bring out people who are going to shoot cops you're good. If the cop tells you to drop the weapon and you get shot, it's the cops fault? If I join or support BLM, or any offshoot from it, I am a criminal and can be subjected to the law or if I was AD, busted down to where Moses cannot give me a stripe, and that is right.

5 Things To Tell Anyone Who Blames Black Lives Matter For Violence Against Cops

The argument that the Black Lives Matter movement is driving individuals to kill cops is ridiculous.

Response by HN Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 6:45 AM

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It's not just black lives matter or white lives matter or blue lives matter it's all lives matter.
There's people of all colors and origins in the police force, military, paramedics, fire fighters. Just because there are a few bad cops or a few bad military members a few bad gangs it doesn't make any race or DOD or police force any worse or any better. A few weeds can ruin the whole garden and people forget that. People make mistakes. People get scared. And no one seems to remember this... It's upsetting when someone is shot on accident and it's upsetting that kids are joining gangs. But these are all terrible things that no one has control of. You can't control someone else's life. People seem to think that killing white cops will change things but it won't. Not all corrupt cops are white just like not all black people are parts of gangs.

Response by SSG Roderick Smith made Jul 9 at 2016 7:18 AM

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If I had my way, there would be no duch thing as any type of "________ Lives Matter" movements. Black, Blue, All... it doesn't matter how you look at it, none of them are a step in the right direction. I disagree that BLM is a terrorist organization. However, I don't think it helps anything, and there are those out there that use the name of the movement to commit horrible acts. And as a law enforcement orofessional, I think even less of Blue Lives Matter. The absolute wrong answer to BLM was Blue LM. Its dividing and draws a line in the sand. And lastly, if society has one common sense bone it its body, it would understand that ALM is a given, and is therefore stating the obvious. We should all be on that team from the start.

What people need to understand is:
1. There is no conspiracy where white police officers are attempting to kill black people for no reason. That is ludacris.
2. The situation in Dallas should be reason number one that BLM is pointless. Officers of all colors and creeds placed themselves between protesters and the shooter, without initially realizing that police were the targets. That is how the profession works, and it is an extremely sobering fact to consider.

Stop the madness, people.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jul 9 at 2016 8:17 AM

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I Thank God that someone is addressing the Inordinate amount of Black Lives cut short unnecessarily. Yes All Lifes Matter but the one dying disproportionately are African Americans.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 9:03 AM

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Here is the problem with this thread. When we talk about BLM, we are talking pass each other because we don't understand the perspective of BLM and people who talk about Blue Lives, All lives etc. We focus on the name of the movement and the rhetoric and not the intent. BLM is the manifestation of the percieved and real injustice against black people by cops based on personal experiences and media hype. Yes, black on black crime is huge but it's not for external community's to ridicule and think it will shift the conversation. Yes, I agree all lives matter but that phase was established as a means to counter BLM narrative. Now when people in BLM sees ALL lives matter, it sounds more like anti-BLM which simply inflames BLM more. I'm not saying one side is right and the other is wrong but you have to understand the perspective of the people within a movement to have a meaningful dialogue. As a product of two races and a son of a police chief, I lived both sides of these issues along with living with the complications of multiple races.

Response by FN Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 9:13 AM

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I don't know how they can say black lives matter yet there's more homicides and violence among black people. So, your only going to get mad when a white guy kills a black guy but not when a black guy kills another black guy. This whole Black Lives Matter movement is an excuse for rebellious youth to commit crimes among the community. New Black Panther Party are just as bad in fact they are labeled as black supremacists. Black Panther party did use to promote peace and harmony among all races but this new party is so divided that they don't even know what their fighting against anymore. Yes police brutality and racism is very real in America but you know how you fix it is by bringing awareness and you teach the youth to embrace love instead of hate, peace over war and team work over separation. Just my 2 cents.

Response by Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay made Jul 9 at 2016 9:32 AM

2016-07-09T09:32:14-04:00

That's not the sense i got when i walked with them a year ago. They seemed empathetic, sorrowful and desperate; but then this was from the individuals i was with. Perhaps the problem is that we are individuals with unique perspectives and experiences that we can never truly share with even a dozen individual people. We are individuals and at the same time we influence each other.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jul 9 at 2016 11:59 AM

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While I don't agree with some of the BLM rhetoric. Its pretty clear that the BLM movement was NOT involved in the Dallas shootings.

My biggest issue with BLM is that its fed by too much emotion and not enough facts.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 12:33 PM

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There are those within BLM who have advocated for violent responses. Many I think can be attributed to legitimate anger over recent and recurring events. Others have a more checkered past that warrant a closer examination. For my part, I think a lot of the more extreme views expressed are a product of a system that rewards those who get the most attention for the loud and crazy things they say... then quietly walk it back afterwards saying that they were angry and upset.
As for recent events, it is becoming clear the shooter in Dallas was not a BLM member, although he had some connection to other, more militant movements.
I do not think that there is a mutual exclusion between seeking justice and peace, nor should one exclude the other, as some chant at rallies. I believe that organizations such as BLM should look in the mirror, figure out what they really stand for, and come out against violence against people and property, and still demonstrate for and advocate justice for those who are mistreated by police.
We are at a crossroads.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 4:51 PM

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it's about respect. If you don't give it, you won't get it. People don't have respect for another and everybody wears their damn feelings on their sleeve. When you mix those together. You get a dumpster fire!! You can credit it to modern parenting. People gonna hate and kill one another. Always have and always will. But if you have respect for another and treat them like another human. less people will hate you and want to kill you. But you gotta fix the foundation before you fix the walls. And that foundation is how folks are raised. People gonna raise their kids the way they were raised. That's why history repeats itself.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2016 5:24 PM

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I think that this shouldn't be about black or white. It should be about human beings. We all are human beings and we all should be granted the same right as part of this country but those rights comes with big responsibilities. We all no matter race have the responsibility of respect and follow the laws but in my opinion the most important responsibility we have is to respect others.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Jul 10 at 2016 8:06 AM

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BLM; I find it ironic that those they are protesting against gave their lives to protect them and their right to protest in Dallas the other night.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2016 10:59 AM

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Agreeing with PFC Private RallyPoint Member, The BlackLivesMatter movement is not a movement based upon violence or terrorism, it is being used and destroyed by extremists of the group who more resemble the Black Panther Movement (these would be the terroristic like organized members to fit this description) to use it as a disguise to incite violence against their intended targets. As far as the matter of "All Lives Matter," yes I could not agree more. Every single soul on this earth has a place. No matter, gender, race, ethnicity, heritage or any other. But the phrase black lives matter is used more as a specification to get the point across that the black minority have been ill treated and have had injustice done unto them with no repercussions and they want to be heard. They are asking to make it known that as a minority their lives matter just as much as anyone elses. Which is obviously true. It was never meant to show that black lives matter more so than anybody elses. So to set aside the rant I managed to proceed to, I also disagree. This movement was never meant to be terroristic or to use aggressive violent tendencies at all. With recent events extremists have taken places within the group to use it as a tool to accomplish their own goals. But I am proud that up to this point in my military career I have yet to see racism in even the slightest. (of course this may not be true everywhere.) It is a great feeling to know that as fellow service members we choose not to see color, but rather brothers and sisters.

Response by SFC Daniel McIntire made Jul 10 at 2016 9:41 PM

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Their presentation and delivery of their message incites more racial division. Freedom of Speech and Assembly are guaranteed by the Constitution. I agree that everyone should speak up for an injustice, However, inciting death to police officers is wrong. It is as inflammatory as the Klu Klux Klan continued active endorsement of lynching minorities.

Response by SPC Michael Lynch made Jul 11 at 2016 2:28 AM

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I think it started out as a gentle political movement, but quickly turned into a organization that uses acts of violence and civil unrest to spread their agenda.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 5:42 AM

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The first problem is who is They are you referring to blacks as they or was that an error I hope so, second I agree and disagree at the same-time. I feel as though people has always been more easily judgmental to Hispanics and blacks verse all other race and when I say people I mean all race including those of the same race and thirdly your right at no time should one race decide that they alone are being targeted and request the death of any human. If I had it my way race wouldn't even be a factor in the USA we will all go by our nationality which would be AMERICAN or what ever other nationality that better represent the country you are from. America cause their own racial brawls by put a race on the color of our skin. So I agree and disagree but when you use words like THEY, YOU PEOPLE, THOSES PEOPLE, SPC Voye you are showing the world just a little of how racist people are really. But that can't because in the Armed Force we have Equal Opportunity, in the Army Forces EO protects you no matter what, on or off post, on or off duty and that include the Internet. So I can rest a sure when you say They you have either made an error or that they was intended for the population as a whole and wasn't in fact a noun use to replace the race word of blacks or African Americans, because that will be a target, that would be racist being do to with that one race you are so prudently covering by saying they well was not the only ones speaking up for a bill or how you say movement like BLACK LIVES COUNT to be passed or consider. One population of human race doesn't dictate what the other populations do. FOOD FOR THOUGHT OR FYI!!!!!!

Response by SPC Edward Robinson made Jul 11 at 2016 6:40 AM

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I have read many articles dealing with them from here in the States to Germany, Scotland, England and Ireland even Russia. The below video explains what BLM is and I agree with the man 100%. There is no reason what so ever to take a life of a Police Officer just because of his race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHvppVEBTY

The Truth About 'Black Lives Matter'

'Black Lives Matter' has been incredibly harmful to black people. BLM has completely betrayed the example set by Martin Luther King. Source for police shooti...

Response by SP5 Eric Bruns made Jul 11 at 2016 8:14 AM

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Honestly I'm just sick of hearing about BLM and all of the controversy at this point. All the statistics that the Fed provides regarding use of force show that minorities are not specifically targeted more than whites yet everybody keeps whining about it. I just ignore it all after a while. Nobody is interested in facts, just emotions and anecdotal Facebook videos.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 8:21 AM

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I believe at the core the BLM movement is not one of violence. There are legitimate concerns they are voicing. However, as with any movement, outside actors will infiltrate. This has indeed happened. It is not completely the fault of BLM. Many of the individuals are paid protestors coming from out of state. Those are the ones that are really causing the problems. They really don't even belong to BLM. They have used the movement to conduct their own anarchist attacks. This, of course, can happen with any movement. Social media has really complicated matters.

Really though, I want to highlight the media's portrayal of both that movement, the occupy movement, and the Tea Party movement. I posit that the media has really been an instigator in much of the issues we face today.

Both BLM and the Occupy movement received (and continue) to receive very favorable media coverage. Conversely, the Tea Party movement was instantly branded as a fringe and radical right wing movement by the majority of the press. That was as far from the truth as it could be.

Of the three, I considered the Occupy protests to be the most fringe, amounting to nothing more than unemployed anarchists trying to disrupt the economy.

Of course, this is the same media that calls Trump racist, despite his efforts to end the segregation at Mar-A-Lago club in the nineties. Prior to his ownership, Jews and Blacks had not been allowed. he ended that. But of course, what the media says is gospel.

The media has become the most polarizing source in this country.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Jul 11 at 2016 12:06 PM

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The best, smartest, easiest things to do are:

1. Stay in the car. Why do American cops get out of the car? Stay in the car. When you pull someone over, let THEM come to YOU. This is why European, South American and Asian police rarely/never/if ever, get killed during traffic stops. THEY DON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR!

2. Full body cameras on all cops. Camera doesn't work? You have X minutes to get back to the station and get it fixed or instant jail for obstruction of justice.*

3. Why so many cops? And for so many stupid reasons? Europe and most of Asia has traffic cameras. Speeding? The camera "gets you" and best of all, it emails you your ticket before you even get home. Broken lights, etc? Cameras. Selling shit outside a store thats illegal (sorry peeps, can't sell homemade CD's, thats called pirating...)? The camera see's you and sends you a ticket by calling the shop and asking "who" is outside. Store clerk goes outside and asks your name. Failure to answer gets you a visit from a patrol unit that takes down your address. Ticket in the mail. Get a visit twice? The fine gets greater.

* "costs too much money." "Where we gonna get the money from?" Go to number 3. As you're eliminating trials and courts, you have more money. "Huh?" You can't fight a camera. It just filmed you speeding. Right? So there's no need for a trial, defense attorney, etc. YOU'RE GUILTY.

Response by SGT David Petree made Jul 11 at 2016 12:17 PM

2016-07-11T12:17:03-04:00

It reminds me of the Black Power movement of the late 60`s early 70`s. Black power seemed to be better organized . The theme is the same . Different title. A lot of Troops got in a lot of trouble in Europe. Before the Race Relations Class began in the Army. The Troop in Dallas was NOT part of BLM. He had his own agenda . Moving Targets !! He put a black mark on BLM .

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Jul 11 at 2016 12:38 PM

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I don't want to minimize the valid feelings of oppression by minorities in America. However, I would call "BLM "Movement" a wholly funded (if not owned) subsidiary of the Democratic Party and its Super PACs. The movement (and its followers) are being used to increase Democrat voter numbers in the upcoming presidential election. My guess is that after the election is over, the money for further protests will evaporate, the community organizers will "Move-On" to something else, and the protests will disappear as fast as they showed up. Oh, and nothing will have changed for minorities, except they will once again be left with a valid feeling that they were used and cops throughout the country will have a valid reason to worry for their lives.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jul 11 at 2016 12:44 PM

2016-07-11T12:44:11-04:00

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Somehow I believe that MLK would not have found it necessary to join or start such a group. Unfortunately there are no leaders today like MLK and many people are moved to angry aggressive inciteful belligerent antagonistic bullying behavior to make their point. If faced with such behavior in return or called out as a hate group, they are offended and call racism

Response by CMSgt Eric Thompson made Jul 11 at 2016 1:32 PM

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It is true that the violent BLM supporters are a small portion of the total. Just as the racist cops are a small portion of the total police force. So tell that to the protestors. Or should we start having anti-BLM marches in response to BML violence?

Response by PO1 David Swift made Jul 11 at 2016 2:41 PM

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On national news we never heard about the BALLWIN MO Police officer getting ambushed, atleast we had several witnesses call the 911 and the guy was arrested within 5 minutes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 2:50 PM

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Response by SSG Michael Primm made Jul 11 at 2016 2:56 PM

2016-07-11T14:56:40-04:00

Sounds like FOX News comments section.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2016 8:55 PM

2016-07-11T20:55:12-04:00

Black Lives Matter? White Lives Matter? Yellow Lives Matter? Red Lives Matter? Any Color Lives Matter? What do all these statements have in common? All these statements are racist. I can’t respect any organization or group that says “their color” matters more that another’s; and that’s what people are doing here when they infer their color matters more than another’s. That’s what’s happening with these people.

When there has been death and so much misinformation, complete with people beating drums, I needed to think about this a bit (actually a lot). All the information I’ve seen in these conservations is good, honest and from the heart; that’s what I love about RP. I can’t say I agree with most of it, but on a level I can see where people are coming from.

SSG Stephan Pendarvis nailed it 100% when he basically said this organization is going to get highjacked by every nut case out there.

Come on… we all know current events. I am just guessing, but a good 90% of what these people are protesting for were based on lies, and events that just didn’t happen the way media portrayed them. The race baiters won.

What is even worse is our President stood up and took sides in public before all the facts were in: If I had a son… the police acted stupidly…I could go on but I won’t, we heard it all with our own ears; I don’t need anything else.

How long can a country go on listening to passive aggressive statements being made by their leader before people start to act? I would say about seven and a half years. We’re starting to see people act, and in my opinion it’s exactly because of this kind of language from our leaders. These people are hurting, mostly from their own, and our own leaders are using political scapegoats to further their own agendas; and if you think the politician’s agendas are yours also, look again. Look at the numbers and policies over the years that were supposed to takes us away from this situation (and I’m talking back from the 60’s to present day). The person you think may be your friend may be your enemy.

All I can say is look at “everything” honestly. The truth will set you free.

Response by MSgt IdolHans . made Jul 12 at 2016 1:40 AM

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Funded by George Soros and others out to destroy the USA. Congress should investigate and inform. Rioters need to face National Guard troops and martial law if it doesn't stop.

Response by PO3 Steven Adams made Jul 12 at 2016 6:28 AM

2016-07-12T06:28:12-04:00

I think they are a disgrace . But that's the USA freedom of speech . If they make terrorist threats or break any laws shoot them

Response by PO3 Steven Adams made Jul 12 at 2016 6:55 AM

2016-07-12T06:55:28-04:00

Are The Majority of African Americans Misinformed Watching a different channel or just plain Ignorant ? I would like to know is there any official Statistics ? Maybe I'm Ignorant

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 11:32 AM

2016-07-12T11:32:13-04:00

IDK if it is a terrorist organization in my opinion. However, it is an idealism that is easily fed into because of what the media is portraying to be the root issue. It shouldn't have ever started and the sooner we come together as American's and squash this thing once and for all, it will progressively get worse. It has NO place within our ranks and should be dealt with as soon as a hint of it is heard even if it is "just a joke".

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 4:40 PM

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i have seen all the blm rallies on internet and the news in my own community, if the kkk or the neo nazis did this all hell would break out, the blm states the same as the others except it s white, so whats the difference, blm is no different than the klan, wake up and smell the roses, blame the cops and whitey because they dont have an easy life, my brothers at work black tell me what i already know these young people not willing to work, and doing harm to others are is what is giving blacks a bad name, step the fuck up and support your familly, make the difference, life isnt easy you need to put in, get the education, get the skills

Response by PO1 Cliff Heath made Jul 12 at 2016 4:45 PM

2016-07-12T16:45:08-04:00

YES

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 4:55 PM

2016-07-12T16:55:15-04:00

too many people black, white ,hispanic and what ever react without the full story, there have been way too many cases of this, towanda brawley, is one that sticks to mind because it is close to home, get the facts right before you judge

Response by SFC Rick H made Jul 12 at 2016 5:28 PM

2016-07-12T17:28:45-04:00

I think it just gives some folks a reason to act out- tearing up their own town and cities and for what. The fact is, the first time something goes wrong, those same folks will be on the phone call the Police. its just a fact.

Response by SFC Donald York made Jul 12 at 2016 5:29 PM

2016-07-12T17:29:28-04:00

Black lives matters movement are Obama foot soldiers, and they do indeed incite violence, and as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing innocent, or peaceful about what they are doing.

Response by SN Bert Morse made Jul 12 at 2016 5:55 PM

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If any group of people chant with Kill and Fry them and any other words of hate with the intent to harm any other group or race of Americans! It is our sworn duty to as Americans to stop them Foreign or Domestic. No matter the race or religion and even the kid we grew up with. My words may not be elegant but then again all I am is an American who love this country that is being torn apart by these group filled with hate and a government that incites or even fuels it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 7:41 PM

2016-07-12T19:41:17-04:00

Worthless! Only if a cop kills a black person, then only they come out of the wood works. Whay if the mexican mafia or ISIS kills a few African Americans? Would they react the same??????

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 7:42 PM

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Tbh it's not a terroristic organization at all. Black people just want to be treated fairly. Some people get offended by the name and just assume it's a racist extremist organization. Those are the same people who continue ignore our concerns and state "cops kill more whites than blacks". As a black man it's hard to live in America and avoid stereotypes and undue racial profiling. As long as America continues to ignore blacks and other minorities this problem, there will always be issues.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jul 12 at 2016 8:00 PM

2016-07-12T20:00:56-04:00

BLUF we shouldn't blow them off. They have the right to protest and they're desperate for a fix to this situation. I don't think it's a terrorist organization. And they do have statistics to back up their claim. Better question is: what can we do to lower the police racial profiling and violence statistics against blacks and Latinos? My suggestion: more police training and education as well as live body cams.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 8:49 PM

2016-07-12T20:49:14-04:00

If you haven't learned in your time on earth that their are bad apples in ANY organization then you have a long terrible life of hate and confusion ahead of you.

The US military provides tactics and training to numerous eventual violent felons a year, does that make them a terrorist organization? Idiots will be idiots no matter who they choose to follow or support.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 13 at 2016 10:50 AM

2016-07-13T10:50:04-04:00

Comparing it to ISIS

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jul 13 at 2016 10:50 AM

2016-07-13T10:50:14-04:00

If they really cared about black lives and stood behind the name of their group, then why don't they take a stand on all the black against black shootings in Chicago and other cities?

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jul 13 at 2016 10:55 AM

2016-07-13T10:55:29-04:00

If Black lives matter so much, why do they not clean up the mess that other blacks make? Crap a black person stands a much better chance of being killed by a black than a cop. Of course recognizing that fact limits the chance to riot and get that big screen T.V.. Oh and they miss a chance to blame Whitey.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jul 13 at 2016 12:01 PM

2016-07-13T12:01:34-04:00

I think it is racist and divisive. Black Lives DO Matter but so do Blue Lives and White Lives. Why do all of their marches chant "Kill the Pigs, Roast 'Em in a Fire?". Just not right. As a Constitutionalist Conservative I stand firmly behind the First Amendment but they are abusing that right.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 13 at 2016 8:16 PM

2016-07-13T20:16:19-04:00

https://vid.me/CHx4

So this is the "movement" asking for support and respect?

Fox reporter 070916 St Paul MN

July 9, 2016 - Fox reporter in St Paul MN innocently asks BLM rioter blocking the road why she is protesting.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:06 PM

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I understand the idea behind it and understand where they are coming from. However I don't really think its that important or that big a deal....Lets be honest most people only have an issue with it because the name of the group is Black Lives Matter......But ask yourselves this has the United States had a history of showing Blacks and other minorities that their lives mattered?

Do an honest assessment on yourself and ask yourself what is your issue with the BLM? If it was the American Lives Matter movement or All Lives Matter movement would you have an issue with it?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:07 PM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:08 PM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:11 PM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:12 PM

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Response by MSgt John McGowan made Jul 13 at 2016 11:55 PM

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SPC What I have read about the conventions this year is a little troublesome. There will be protests and who know what else. I did see some film where Hillary supports caused trouble after a Trump rally. Some would come up behind men walking away and knock the pure hell out of them. But the on doing the hitting would then be manly and run away. There will be trouble at the Conventions.

Response by PO3 Scott Brady made Jul 14 at 2016 7:42 PM

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I am very much against the BLM movement. While I agree that violence needs to be reviewed and guilty parties punished, these punishments need to be done in a court of law. Protesting to bring attention to violence and pushing for changes is good to. Where I have an issue is the very first word "Black". Bringing attention to violence inflicted on one race and blaming another or multiple other races just perpetuates the differences and hatred. There are poor black people, poor Hispanics, poor Whites, etc. We need to look at our neighborhoods and say "What do we need to do as a community to make things better?" Chase out the gangs? Yes, Drug dealers ? Yes. Watch our neighbor's back and report crimes? Yes. What we should never do is say "I'm stuck like this because I'm (insert race) and the (insert race) man has kept me down. Lincoln taught himself to read and eventually became president. Helen Keller was Blind and deaf yet is seen as a hero. Every rags to riches story begins with the person saying no matter how bad society treats me or how bad my origin is I will succeed. M. King was a powerful speaker and civil rights leader. Why? because he was black or because he stood up for what is right? If he had the attitude of "society and the man are keeping me down". There never would have had "The Dream" and there never would have been change. As a society of "American citizens of these United States" we need to help and watch out for each other not blame our neighbor or the guy down the street because his race is different. Judge him by his actions and not his color. Again 'ALL' LIVES MATTER. It's why we get up in the morning, its why we put on the uniform in the first place, and its why even after we take it off we still strive to do everything in our power to help others and make things better for all.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 3:53 PM

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BLM never said they wanted cops dead lol. It's kinda hard to understand if you are not black.

Response by CMSgt Eric Thompson made Aug 1 at 2016 8:23 PM

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The latest on cops killing people is a study by the first black tenured professor at Harvard. He set out to quantify just how much more blacks are shot by cops. Imagine his surprise to find that whites are more likely to be shot than blacks. BLM insinuates that other lives don't matter. Dr. Martin Luther King was inclusive. BLM is anything but.

Response by PFC Sandra Wade made Nov 28 at 2017 1:33 AM

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I think that's too inclusive. A few chanting? IDK... most are trying to point out that This country is for all of us and for some reason, they and other groups are being set aside. Justice for All. That's what America stands for... Well darn it!! Pulled me right in. Politics really don't belong here

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 12:01 AM

2021-04-21T00:01:09-04:00

I think you are a joke.

Response by CMSgt Marcus Falleaf made Sep 30 at 2023 5:09 PM

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They are trash.