What does Army Basic Training look like for a prior service E-7? What is the TRADOC 350-6 not telling me?

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 15:13:09 -0500

Prior Air Force Master Sergeant (E-7) heading to Army BCT (Ft. Benning) as a Sergeant First Class (E-7) in 3 weeks. What does basic look like as an E-7?

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Dec 31 at 2018 3:15 PM

1SG Frank Boynton — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 15:15:41 -0500

I don’t know but Damn you are really going back to basic? God bless you and good luck.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Dec 31 at 2018 3:30 PM

SGT Richard H. — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 15:30:38 -0500

I'm curious...why change services so late in the game?

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Dec 31 at 2018 3:55 PM

SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 15:55:49 -0500

https://www.army.mil/article/122708/55_year_old_back_in_basic_training_after_37_years
SFC John Taffe might be able to help you out.

55-year-old back in basic training after 37 years

Soldiers from Company D, 3rd Battalion, 10th Infantry Regiment, look just like any other Soldiers from a Basic Combat Training company -- but one individual has people doing double takes. That's because Sgt. 1st Class John Taffe is 55 years old.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2018 4:09 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:09:58 -0500

SFC Velado,

That is both awesome and awk...WARD! lol I can't even fathom what that would be like being an IET at Ft. Benning for OSUT, and seeing an E-7 training alongside you! haha

That being said, TRADOC 350-6, 4-13 (pgs 66 - 8) outline well the meat and potatoes of what will be the most important to you. From what I've heard though, it is night and day in the difference between what Ft. Benning was like when I was there (1993) and now. It sounds like both good and bad. I would imagine that one of the most challenging issues will be how you relate to other IET's as a senior NCO. The regs in 350-6 only go so far, and leave a pretty wide berth for the CO to adjust how he is going to have you involved, to varying degrees.

That will be one hell of an experience, wow! I do have to know, if you don't mind me asking...

...how did you manage to keep your grade coming from AF to AR? I am assuming it was predicated on an RCP based issue that would immediately nuke your entry, but not sure. I'd love to know if you don't mind. :)

Best regards.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Dec 31 at 2018 4:15 PM

SPC Erich Guenther — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:15:31 -0500

Yeah they should pull you aside and brief you before the training starts.....probably when you report in. I will tell you when I went to Air Assault School, we had a SFC complain publicly in front of the PVT, PFC's........the whole class that as a SFC he wasn't going to pull guard duty on everyones equipment while they breaked for lunch and he found it insulting he was on a work detail with Privates. Eh, my advice is never do that because the NCO Cadre tore him a new azzhole publicly in response. Just be very formal and humble at Ft Benning your first priority is to learn. Asserting rank while in an Army school is always a bad idea unless your told otherwise. Let the other NCO's tell you what is OK and not OK when they brief you prior to training.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2018 7:22 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 19:22:34 -0500

Depending on the cadre they may or may not be harder on you. It'll definitely be awkward for the younger guys.

Response by CW3 John Himes made Dec 31 at 2018 8:11 PM

CW3 John Himes — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 20:11:18 -0500

When I was a DS in the 80' I had a prior AF E7 in my platoon. On day one we talked, I told him the standards expected and what was expected. He was the best troop on the battery and was well respected by the other DS's and by the soldiers.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2018 11:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Dec 2018 23:26:30 -0500

Wow. I did Basic 27 years ago, but I mostly remember long hours and the "total control" environment. The oldest recruit in our class was 30 or 31 years old. We called him "Grandpa." It is surprising to me that they would require a prior service E-7 (I assume active duty E-7) to do Basic.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2019 11:37 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Jan 2019 11:37:05 -0500

When I was at basic in feb 2018 we had a prior service E7 from the navy going through it too and the drills treated him and all other prior service with respect and told us that we had to listen to him. He was a jerk with a stick up his ass from the moment he got there but we still had to listen to him.

Response by Greg Fowler made Jan 1 at 2019 11:40 AM

Greg Fowler — Tue, 01 Jan 2019 11:40:04 -0500

Most WOC types go through BCT at Fort Jackson, how did you end up at Benning? One of my current students ( IERW) at Rucker went through at Benning, he said he had a great time, but he is 21 years old.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2019 12:01 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Jan 2019 12:01:09 -0500

I went through with an E6. He was "PL" and never harassed by the drills. Don't expect a pass - but give respect and you'll get it easily. I was 34 and gave an overwhelming amount of respect and worked hard - I didn't catch a second of crap.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Jan 7 at 2019 1:28 PM

CSM David Porterfield — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:28:48 -0500

I'm surprised they allowed you to enlist as a SFC who required Basic Training. Army Basic is not going to teach you what an SFC needs to know to operate daily as an Army Senior NCO. As a former Air Force MSGT you are going to be a fish out of water and dont have the knowledge of an Army 10+ year SFC. Honestly you dont have much to bring to the table. Nothing against you personally I can appreciate you returning to service but you dont have the knowledge and skills to be an SFC. Army and Air Force Senior NCOs are night and day to say the least. I wish you luck. This is a good place to get advice from fellow SFC's, 1SGs and CSMs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2019 10:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:25:08 -0500

Well first of all you should get treated differently and privileges. It states in the regulation of some slight differences in the treatment of NCO's. They should pull you aside and lay down what they expect from you and see what you need from them. We had a (E-5) prior Air Force and we would work with her on the NCO Creed on top of her learning the Soldiers Creed. One of the slight differences I was talking about is living quarters. If they are able to you should be provided a separate place to sleep. If not they may make a little privacy wall in the bay with extra wall lockers (we have done both). Basic for you will look annoyed. You will probably be playing the role of dad depending on how much you interact with the other Trainees. You will probably be given Leadership responsibilities, but I am not sure because you are a prior senior enlisted NCO. Any prior service and NCO ones I have had were all E-5 so they were the Private version of a NCO.

Response by SSG John Lasseigne made Jan 8 at 2019 11:33 PM

SSG John Lasseigne — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 23:33:31 -0500

In a training environment the only rank that matters is that of the instructors and cadre. The trainees rank is only relevenlvent in matters of military courtesy and has nothing to do with requrements or duty.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2019 12:58 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:58:32 -0500

Understand that all trainees are on equal footing. They come to training with different backgrounds, but when you are a trainee, you are a trainee. As a leader you should understand that this is a learning experience. Don't try to throw your rank around with the cadre or your fellow trainees. Share your experience, but don't be to proud to do any task assigned. You will be held to a higher standard because you're not some punk kid fresh out of high school. To echo what others have said: remain humble and accomplish the mission. BCT is a mind game, have fun, learn what you can, and strengthen what you already know. Welcome to the Army!

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Jan 13 at 2019 6:53 PM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 18:53:49 -0500

I went to jump school as an e7. Act like an NCO get treated like an Nco. Do the training as it is presented. You doing it with enthusiasm and leading the way soldiers will respect it. Cadre will notice and if my experience counts will treat you like an nco.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2019 11:36 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:36:39 -0500

A buddy of mine in my unit went back to BCT after a 15 year break of service. He was a prior drill instructor if the 11B MOS. He told me it was annoying to say the least, but he was separated from the Joes for most events, and got treated with much respect by his instructors.

Response by SGT Marc Gatliff made Jan 27 at 2019 7:34 PM

SGT Marc Gatliff — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:34:13 -0500

its school and you are treated the same as a PVT or SFC, you are learning so suck it up,leave rank at the door. No special treatment

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2019 7:41 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:41:46 -0500

In case anyone is wondering; Ft Benning is not as bad as people think. The 30th AG isn't as soul sucking as I've read. All E5 and above are separated from the PVTs. As an E7, every Drill Sgt I have been in contact with has been curious about my story and extremely respectful. I am also very respectful and have military bearing at all times.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2019 10:07 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:07:11 -0500

Following this thread. Same position as you so any feedback you have on the process would be great. Has anyone heard of an approved waiver for BCT? OP - did you try to submit an ETP to waive BCT? I don't mind going through basic but it sounds like it's confusing for all parties involved.

Response by SGT William Benson made Feb 12 at 2019 5:13 PM

SGT William Benson — Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:13:03 -0500

If the (former) Master Sergeant lets his leadership, experience, and maturity do the talking, the training cadre may grant him a space on the fast track, allow him credit for his previous experience, and defer to him as an SFC. If he runs his mouth and tries to throw his stripes around, the Cadre will mark him a trouble maker and give him all manner of extra attention.
(Kind of like the senior NCOs and Officers going through SF School... Training Cadre cares not for your stripes...)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2019 3:48 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:48:07 -0500

Remember to address the Drill Sergeants as 'Drill Sergeant,' not 'Sir.' If you call an Army NCO 'Sir' you'll get dropped. Good luck, Sarge! :)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2019 12:08 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:08:51 -0500

I learned as a recruiter that WO recruiters can pull from other branches. It’s amazing who can get into what as long as the proponents of each field sign off on it. I put in a prior E5 from the navy that went to Ft Jackson. They put him in the bay and made him do everything with the non prior service, just with stripes on his uniform. They put him in charge of everything too. He said his navy E5 buddy that went to try for 18X at Benning got separated in his own barracks with other NCO’s and kept his phone the whole time. He was given report times he had to be at morning formation. I thought the created a 6 week program for PS at Leonard wood you should have gone to but I guess they aren’t utilizing that. Looks like you might be there now, let us know what the newest info is from first hand experiences.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Mar 24 at 2019 11:09 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 24 Mar 2019 23:09:44 -0400

In my opinion warrant officer basic is a waste of resources. Not for the pilot program. Basic. Training on their specific MOS? The should already now the job. They did not have that system when I got appointed. My good friend cw5 Les Craig was my assignment officer. He called me one day from DA and offered me the job as the Senior TAC at Aberdeen. I said Les I am not a babysitter. I am fine right here in the Netherlands. He had been the PBO and I was the 920B. I went GS. Director of Logistics. 54th ASG. Schinnen the Netherlands

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Mar 25 at 2019 12:35 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:35:44 -0400

Wish you the best of luck, have no idea how you're going to be treated as a SFC going through basic.
When I went through basic many moons ago we had a Vietnam veteran SSG re-entering the service that went through basic with us. He completed all the training we did but was quartered separately. Remember him working with the guys who were slow on the uptake to help them learn stuff. I don't remember the DIs screwing with him, but to us he was a Demi God.

Response by SPC James Jackson made Mar 31 at 2019 3:37 PM

SPC James Jackson — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:37:39 -0400

In the words of my unit ..2/22
Deeds Not Words!

Response by SSG George Duncan made Mar 31 at 2019 3:44 PM

SSG George Duncan — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:44:46 -0400

same as the first only harder

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Mar 31 at 2019 8:31 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:31:43 -0400

Just REMEMBER you are a DAY ONE just like every one elce.
Do not expect to be treated better or differnt then any one.
Then be expceted to keep every one in your Plt in line.
The Prior Service part of you will be on the spot light.
Learn AR -670-1 as best you can, bring one if you can.
And Fm 22-5,or fm 3-21 not to sure these days.
I have been out for 9 yrs.

Response by COL Jon Lopey made Apr 19 at 2019 9:47 PM

COL Jon Lopey — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:47:26 -0400

Work hard, listen to the NCOs and drill sergeants, and never, ever give up and you will do fine! Do not rest on your laurels, be humble, and realize you have a lot to learn. COL L

Response by SFC George Smith made Apr 19 at 2019 11:41 PM

SFC George Smith — Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:41:25 -0400

If you are Prior service and an E-7... WTF who came up with that stupidity

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 22 at 2019 10:40 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:40:47 -0400

1. Keep in mind, you will be (maybe) subject to the same training as the kids. Lead by example- approach all tasks with vigor. Look at it like Airborne School- no ones rank makes them special- everyone is equally a trainee. Your experience/leadership is the only thing above the other trainees. And your rank/former rank does not count!

Response by SSG Patrick Sloan made Apr 22 at 2019 2:33 PM

SSG Patrick Sloan — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:33:12 -0400

My experience was 20+ years ago now but every prior service Joe who was going back through the Infantry School was treated differently. We were allowed a little bit more freedom but we also knew to play along with the game and keep our mouths shut. Expect some shit giving for being Air Force., part of the fun and games. Good luck! It's going to suck but you've been there before. Let us know how it goes!

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made May 7 at 2019 4:50 PM

SFC Bill Snyder — Tue, 07 May 2019 16:50:13 -0400

Many years ago, I had a friend at SHAPE Paris who was an E5 in the Air Force. He transferred directly to a WO1. AF one day and WO1 the next day enroute to VN. Saw him a bit later at USARV Hq and he said he had no problems in the change. He was in Supply and into the new fangled stuff called Computers.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made May 19 at 2019 9:58 PM

SPC Robert Bobo — Sun, 19 May 2019 21:58:32 -0400

Wow, interesting, maybe a reduced refresher but not full basic, even most police agencies won't require a seasoned police officer "transferring"to complete the entire police academy again however, a few "rigid organizations" will require a seasoned police officer transferring to complete the entire 18 to 22 week academy

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Jun 4 at 2019 4:54 PM

SFC Freddie Porter — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:54:40 -0400

It’s too bad this was posted back in December of 2018. I would have told this individual that he was going into a TRADOC environment, not a permanent assignment position. In a training environment, you are a trainee, not an E7. Although some customs and courtesies are extended, and there are some legal requirements such as fraternization, for all intents and purposes you are a trainee. When you attend advanced NCO schooling, you are treated as a student, not a person in. A leadership position. The instructors will expect you to be more experienced and mature and thus able to handle the training environment better than PVT slick sleeve. So, don’t go into this with any expectations of privilege simply because your a senior NCO. Hopefully you’ll be given some considerTion in living environment but don’t count on it. It may mean a barracks with little to no privacy as well as fire watch, CQ, guard duty weapons cleaning and all the other niceties of a training environment

Response by SFC Stephen Foster made Jun 6 at 2019 6:20 PM

SFC Stephen Foster — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 18:20:03 -0400

They shouldn’t allow Air Force NCOs to be in the army at all. That’s just fucking bizarre.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2019 10:51 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:51:31 -0400

Oh, dear lord baby Jesus.
First of all, you actually read the reg?
I imagine you’ll have to do all the events like any other soldier, and pass.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 7:05 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Jul 2019 07:05:08 -0400

Here are a couple pictures from my time at Ft. Benning. I'm heading to WOCS in August and I'm really happy that I made the switch from blue to Green.

Response by 1SG J. Shannon Lewis made Jul 19 at 2019 11:18 PM

1SG J. Shannon Lewis — Fri, 19 Jul 2019 23:18:37 -0400

I went to drill sergeant school as a SFC. First thing they told us is that if we had a problem with a SSG DS getting in our face and yelling then walk on over to the Sr DSL and let him knock the chip off your shoulder. Best way to look at it is forget you even have rank and be a mentor to the 18 year old punks while you're there.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2019 1:47 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:47:51 -0400

***UPDATE***

I was (administratively) pinned as W.O.C. today after my Federal Recognition Board. I leave for WOCS in a couple weeks.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Aug 7 at 2019 12:42 PM

LTC John Wilson — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 12:42:30 -0400

If done right, all are equal and his rank is nil and void till he qualifies in basic and graduates like the others.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2019 7:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:52:01 -0400

I went to Army basic in 2015 at Benning as a prior service Air Force E6. I had my own private room with a fridge and my phone when not training. Had to show up to all the training but otherwise I was left on my own. Had most weekends from Saturday around 11am off and most nights too. For the most part I was incredibly bored. Can’t hang out with cadre or the private’s so I bought a flat screen and a play station to pass the time. Did some fishing too!! Good luck!! Drills told me I would stay in the barracks for the first 72 hours. It after about 30 minutes they gave me a key to their private shower and my own room about an hour later.

Response by PO2 Ed Taylor made Aug 26 at 2019 1:27 PM

PO2 Ed Taylor — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:27:18 -0400

DURING THE VIET NAM WAR THE NAVY HIRED CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS UNDER THE (DPPO ) PROGRAM, THE DIRECT PROCUREMENT PETTY OFFICER. IN MY EXPERIENCE THEY KNEW THEIR JOBS BUT WERE LACKING IN MILITARY PROCEDURES. THEY WERE HIRED IN AS E-7 CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS AND WERE IN CHARGE OF LARGE JOBS AND COMPANIES AND PLATOONS OF SEA BEES. ET

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2019 8:46 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:46:17 -0400

Thanks for all of the support, RallyPoint! We got it done together.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2019 10:41 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:41:35 -0400

***Update***
9 months in the Army and I'm a Warrant Officer!

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Sep 15 at 2019 10:23 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:23:49 -0400

Unless your in pretty good shape or in perfect condition, I would pack plenty of icy hot ointment, Advil, maybe Alleve in case you need it, wish you the best, but I believe you'll have your work cut out for you

Response by CPT Spirit Gym made Oct 2 at 2019 2:59 PM

CPT Spirit Gym — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 14:59:11 -0400

When I volunteered in 2005 to go back in the Army as a Retired Captain to help in OIF, I went through a "regreening" program with IRR members who were involuntarily activated. Right by my side was a Retired O-6, who also volunteered. We did everything the enlisted soldiers did during the 2 week training period. We didn't pull rank on anyone. Of course, the Drill Sergeants treated us with respect as they also did with the enlisted. There was a lot of esprit de corps within the entire group. If I had to go back through Basic Training, I would not have done it. I served for a full year in Honduras, and retired again at the age of 58 in 2006.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Nov 17 at 2019 3:03 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:03:28 -0500

In a training environment everyone should be treated the sam for the most part.
Same branch to same branch, you should know the the basics of how that branch work's.
If you are changing branch from one to another Branch,The whole way of doing things change.
The best thing to do is just go in expecting to be treated like a day one.
Because in fact you are a day one in that field or branch.

Expect to have been more responsibility then everyone else.
Since you have some Military experience and training even though it may be in a different branch and or field.

Doing all that can to learn as a day one will, only make you a better leader, I bet that the other students will more respect than if you act like you are better than them.
Teach the new guys what you can, learn what you can as well.
The old dog can always learn some new tricks. good luck.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2019 6:38 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:38:47 -0500

How could this even be possilbe?

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2019 9:46 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:46:46 -0500

In 2003 I was promoted from Intelligence NCO to 1SG in an Armor company, and went to Armor Basic. The cadre was overjoyed to see me, and loudly told everyone within hearing that I would be in charge of the school starting at 1630 every day, and they would go home.

I immediately held a formation, and announced that anyone who was jailed after 1630, would still be in jail the following morning when I reported them AWOL. I further said that anyone who knocked on my door after 2100 had better be bleeding.

At the end of the school, the cadre told me this class had less problems than any previous one.

So my advice is probably obvious:

1) You are in school to LEARN. If you know everything already, don't go.
2) Extra duty is the price of rank. If you didn't learn that, you haven't earned your rank yet.
3) There is NOTHING demeaning about proving you can do any job you expect your subordinates to do. In fact, if you can't, you haven't earned your position yet.
4) Set the example.

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Dec 22 at 2019 11:03 PM

SFC Charles E Hightower — Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:03:20 -0500

No thank you, I'm retired SFC\E-7 with 11 years in grade No!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2019 10:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 10:46:19 -0500

No matter how it my seem to you, just be a member and leave all the I am a SFC mindset at home. I am prior AF went to Army Basic in 2008. I was with all priors from all branches. We all learned from 1 another.

Response by SGT Ken Eidinger made Jan 10 at 2020 7:41 PM

SGT Ken Eidinger — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:41:43 -0500

Ears and eyes open, mouth shut, stay healthy. Good luck Sergeant!

Response by SPC Stephen Kraft made Jan 13 at 2020 11:55 PM

SPC Stephen Kraft — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:55:22 -0500

I was at Airborne school in 2002 as an E4. Pretty standard issue. I was legal age, fresh from OSUT and got good and drunk. Long story short; I took a left out my door instead of a right. Right/first right was latrine. Left/first left was another 8 man bunk. I took a leak in a wall locker. I still agree it was a dumbass move. I went back to my bed because I was really drunk. Private who’s locker I pissed in was understandably pissed off. My buddy, an E2 I went through OSUT at FLW with was trying to work it out. I was just denying I did anything. Because, drunk. Anyway, here’s where I think this is relevant. A SFC in the class stepped into this and basically handed out the Benning Accords. I, as the senior ranking and most drunk individual, was sent to bed. My buddy, Benny, was tasked with cleaning up after me. He was ok with this, and while alcohol was never the cause again, he’s spent a better part of the past 18 years helping me clean up the messes I’ve made of myself. Aggrieved E2 was sent to bed and all were instructed it was settled. Over. No spillover. He was an E7, but this was some Tony Soprano stuff. He handled it without getting anyone jammed up, without anyone (including him) losing any sleep, and without the brand new cherry SPC losing tank before he made it to Bragg. That’s what rank can bring to a training school. But that’s a school that’s used to housing all ranks and services. Basic at Benning probably different.
Airborne

Response by 1SG Michael Anthony Gonzales made Jan 23 at 2020 11:05 AM

1SG Michael Anthony Gonzales — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:05:40 -0500

As a First Sergeant, I was assigned to attend a 13B MOS School at Ft McCoy ... immediately after signing in, the SM of the academy pull me to the side and express the following “don’t F*** with the cadre!”.

I told the SM I had no desire to disrupt the training and I’m here to learn! I was successful ... Hooah!

Response by SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez made Feb 8 at 2020 12:44 AM

SPC Melanie Vancegonzalez — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:44:44 -0500

In Army training schools trainees have no rank until given one, even prior service. That being said as long as you are respectful of the cadres job to train PVTs they will be respectful of your prior service rank. But don't expect to get out of PT or details just because you were a higher rank in a different branch of service. I did Army AIT at an Air Force base and the cadres favorite thing was to make us run PT through the Air Force barracks at 3:30 AM screaming "Who's Your Daddy" cadence while banging on the doors. There were also 2 prior service, one Army reclass and a prior marine, both NCOs. They were housed in separate barracks than lower rank but did PT and formations with everyone else.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 28 at 2020 2:21 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:21:54 -0400

Some prior service members are usually of the same service they're returning to after a few short years. Others are from another service. Sometimes they'll show ghe respect and courtesy due to the TIs/DIs and the hard cases won't. Going thru basic is to learn about the military life. If you're prior service, it's to learn what has changed since you left the service. If you served in another branch of the military, say NAVY to Air Force, then it's to learn the Air Force way of saying and doing everything.

Response by TSgt James Potter made Apr 18 at 2020 10:05 PM

TSgt James Potter — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:05:05 -0400

The only question I have is why would you change branches at your TIG and TIS? The Air Force has other options availible. I also see this is a year and a half old, how did it work out for you? Well I guess that's two questions...

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Apr 26 at 2020 7:55 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:55:15 -0400

After a stupidly misguided attempt to make "the big bucks" as a civilian and therefore a one-year break in service after the first 6 years, I went through USAF Firefighter School at Chanute AFB in 1980 as a USAF SSgt (E5). Not basic, but close, everyone else there had just got out of basic. I had previously been a Security Supervisor for large alert and Weapons storage areas, and an acting Flight Chief (now called Flight Sergeant) for a flight of about 150 men in Security Police (now Security Forces), and also NCOIC of the Barksdale AFB Combat Arms Training and Maintenance unit as a result of previous cross-training.
So, I was pretty used to running things and being in charge of whatever I happened to be doing to a fair extent, is my point.

It was a great big relief that I wasn't put in charge of anything and just had myself to think about. It was a class of about 90 (memory....not sure..about that) and something completely different from my previous jobs. I really didn't want the job of being class president or whatever on top of the new information. I really made an effort to not "be in charge" or even appear any different from the new people, who were all E-1's. Not that I shirked anything, but I'm pretty laid-back anyway, I just tried to be more so.

I was so glad to be back in the USAF it was kinda pitiful looking back on it. Best thing I did in my younger life was joining, worst was getting out in the first place. No college, no training that didn't involve guns, my future was flipping burgers or pumping gas

I only got any aggravation one time, when an instructor E4 Sergeant (we had them back then) didn't like the fact I didn't call him "sir" or kowtow in any way when I passed on a message from another instructor to immediately stop what he was doing with his fire truck. I just said "Hey, instructor, Sgt Whatever said tell you to stop (whatever)". He wanted to chew my ass for not recognizing his superiority in all matters before passing on the message, IE, words to the effect that I better learn to address Sgt's as "Sir". I told him it had been a fucking long time since I felt the need to do that. He later apologized. Neither of us were wearing visible rank.

Oh, and I wore orange socks the first time we had to change into bunker gear and the E6 head instructor chewed my ass in front of the whole class, rightly so. I had forgotten black was the required color as they were never visible under combat boots, and I'd never bothered to wear special black socks under boots in my previous incarnation.

My advice is to just keep your head down and remember who you are--which is an E7. Who is in training for very basic military stuff which you may already know. Probably by lower ranking people who don't think much of the idea either...

And wear the correct socks.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made May 5 at 2020 11:40 AM

SFC Tracy Scott — Tue, 05 May 2020 11:40:29 -0400

Ok, let's understand this if you are in a training cycle no matter the rank you hold, you are subject to the course curriculum, if that means pulling guard duty then you pull guard duty, I remember when I went to get my airborne tab, we had a 1-star in the group, they didn't treat him any different or cut him any slack because he was a 1-Star and the same with ranger school you are not cut slack because of rank, if you choose to attend these schools then you had better expect to do everything that everyone else is doing or simply don't attend.

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made May 9 at 2020 5:05 PM

SSG(P) Danielle Birtha — Sat, 09 May 2020 17:05:59 -0400

I re-uped after 3 years separation. re-do Basic Training was a breeze. I was a squad leader from jump... and essentially those weeks were more about re-acquainting myself with military life, while I waited for my clearance, and duty station orders.
You will enjoy it... the dread of your first Basic Training will fall like the enemy under withering fire from an M-60 ;)

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made May 28 at 2020 2:50 PM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Thu, 28 May 2020 14:50:17 -0400

I was reclassified as an E7 from Artillery to Communications. I was in a training company full of E-2s and E-3. I was given a lot of latitude about what I could and should do. As a result I would attend PT with the young students, and get them in formation for the drill sergeant to pick them up after class to march back to the company. I was single and lived off post. I was able to drive to and from class. As someone else commented, be humble, create a favorable impression for the cadre and the troops, learn as they learn, and everything will be hunky-dory. Good luck in you future endeavors.

Response by SSG Keith Myles made Jun 26 at 2020 2:37 PM

SSG Keith Myles — Fri, 26 Jun 2020 14:37:43 -0400

Be glad you aren't going into to the Marine Corps. The highest rank you can leave Boot Camp with is Cpl E-4..

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2020 5:23 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:23:48 -0400

We actually had one in ours. They pulled him aside and asked if he wanted to skip the training and go other stuff. His response was pure leadership “I’m going to continue on with these guys and do everything they do I shouldn’t be treated any differently”...

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Aug 14 at 2020 10:18 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:18:48 -0400

In 2004 after 30 years of active duty, one year of management work, and two years of not much I was hired by DHS/CBS as a CBP Officer. At 51 years old I was the oldest in the class; and 6 weeks prior to reporting for training I tore my left knee’s ACL and Meniscus. In lieu of surgery I was fir for a custom made knee brace the same one that NFL and College linemen wear. Good thing I had TRICARE Prime! I told our class’s senior Physical Techniques (both PT and defensive tactics) of my “physical limitations; and said I would give it 110% but if I pointed to the corner and went and sat down I needed a break! He said fair enough but if he thought I was dogging it “we’d have a chat. That never happened. There were some days easier then others but I had to live up to the “age and treachery overcoming youth and ability.”
For whatever reason you’re going to basic as an E7 good luck! The key to remember is you’re the trainee; you are there to learn; but you can also help by mentoring others in your company.

Good Luck!

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made Aug 28 at 2020 3:49 PM

SFC Laurie Schultz — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:49:02 -0400

Why??? How long have you been out?

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Sep 8 at 2020 2:40 PM

SSG Paul Headlee — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:40:53 -0400

That is a fascinating question. Haven't read the thread but I sincerely hope there's an update as I see this is a year old.

Response by TSgt Giff Coran made Sep 22 at 2020 10:19 AM

TSgt Giff Coran — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:19:01 -0400

I guess I don’t understand why a E-7 is having to go back to basic training. ??

Response by SPC Kenneth James made Oct 20 at 2020 7:35 PM

SPC Kenneth James — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:35:40 -0400

All my years as a soldier I have seen nothing but respect and great intentions to all ranks even the yelling calling you every thing but the child of God lol and the workouts and the punishments it was still respect because you had the guts and the honor to wear the United states uniform I met a guy back in the day at Ft Campbell ky we started hanging out you know go to clubs having drinks and such one day I was waiting at the bar so we could go to a club in Nashville and low and behold he walked in and I seen these funny looking buttons on is collar come to find out he was a Cadet he told me not to sweat the rank and we stayed friends until he got his butter bar and left so you see it is all respect at least I did

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 9:07 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:07:42 -0400

I was a company commander and we had a prior service E-6 come through. It was a bit weird at first because he outranked some of our Drill Sgts, but he was a well respected trainee and leader and he helped the younger Joes quite a bit. He was humble and professional. He stayed in a different barracks, got weekend passes and he could do some things other trainees couldn’t, like rod trainees off the range. You will do just fine as long as you are professional. He obviously had a huge leg up on the others!

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Nov 2 at 2020 1:35 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 13:35:59 -0500

I replied to this before, long time ago. I got led back here, and am curious now as to your experience since you now know what basic looks like for an E7. I considered doing this myself at one point.

I also passed the FAST test ( aptitude/IQ test to qualify as candidate) pretty successfully during a break in service, and then let my Brit wife (at the time) convince me I would rather be a USAF E5 with the chance of being stationed in the UK, than a FUCKING W-SOMETHING HELICOPTER PILOT WITH RANK AND MONEY and be stationed somewhere else.

If I could go back in time and discuss this with my 27 year old self, I'd kick my own ass for not going for it. Mother Of All Bad Decisions. I didn't even make it drunk. I guess I was fuck-struck and going into sugar shock as young men often are....

So, I have a curiosity about your experience because I almost did similar twice, once exactly like what you did, and once at Ft Rucker as a warrant candidate. I know the Warrant track would have been different from your experience, but I am very curious about the lateral move.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Nov 6 at 2020 6:19 AM

SFC Mark Klaers — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 06:19:43 -0500

Check your "privilege" at the door. You're a private. Understand that in order to be a good leader you must also know what it is to follow. Set the example by being positive and professional. The cadre knows who you are...impress the hell out of them by being a model soldier. In the end, they will let you know just how much they respect you. I promise you, that will mean more and you will feel better about yourself than getting over on a couple fire watches.

Response by MSgt Robert Davidson made Nov 13 at 2020 7:10 PM

MSgt Robert Davidson — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:10:14 -0500

Wow you must really have some skill if the Army let's you keep your AirForce stripes

Response by SSG Michael StJohn made Nov 14 at 2020 7:35 PM

SSG Michael StJohn — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:35:07 -0500

E7 in bct with recruits?
There are some stories there..

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2020 11:15 AM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:15:16 -0500

There used to be a program called WTC (warrior transition course) which was an abbreviated “here’s how the army does it” program. I declined it and went to basic with my only experience being from the marine corps. I remember being mostly annoyed with the kids and the cadre. The drill sergeants have a different culture than the DIs do. I never got much from BCT as it pertains to Army tradition and spirit. They’re mostly focused on checking a proficiency block. Just my experience.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 22 at 2020 9:43 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 21:43:36 -0500

Of all the courses / training schools I have attended, everyone is reduced to lowest ranking person attending or E-0. That way everyone is playing the same tune and is on the same sheet of music. All rank is left at the gate of the facility. If one thinks they are getting better treatment because of his or her rank is very mistaken. If you are expecting that special treatment then don't apply.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Jan 3 at 2021 2:29 PM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:29:23 -0500

Best boot camp advice ever, Keep your head down, ears open and mouth shut! You're nobody special in boot camp. I don't care what rank you achieved in another branch, you're in the Army NOW!! Best secondary advice, should've joined the Marines first time around then you wouldn't have to be going through boot camp again.. I had a 19 year break in service and didn't have to go through boot camp! Good luck to you. You're no longer a youngin... lol oh and remember, Stay hydrated, keep that pt belt handy, Motrin 800's are your best friend but most importantly, change your damn socks!!!

Response by SFC James Himes made Feb 1 at 2021 5:54 PM

SFC James Himes — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 17:54:19 -0500

If serving is beneath you then leading is beyond you.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Feb 22 at 2021 5:42 AM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 05:42:01 -0500

Your rank will not spare you from the suck.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Apr 25 at 2021 9:46 AM

SGT Scott Henderson — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:46:46 -0400

The real question is why in the hell would you want to go back in; especially now that the Army is one big Democrat social experiment circle jerk? I was med-boarded almost 8yrs and even if the offered me E-7 WITH back pay I'd tell them to snack on a satchel of Richards. It's not worth the aggravation.

Response by MSgt Robert Cunningham made May 31 at 2021 10:31 PM

MSgt Robert Cunningham — Mon, 31 May 2021 22:31:43 -0400

Army basic ud better be able to run dodge and jump.
sometimes have thick skin just in case the Drill instructor gets in your face.
get the training-learn it - If you get recycled you can find out what they did wrong

Response by MSgt Robert Cunningham made May 31 at 2021 10:40 PM

MSgt Robert Cunningham — Mon, 31 May 2021 22:40:58 -0400

Response by MSgt Robert Cunningham made May 31 at 2021 10:53 PM

MSgt Robert Cunningham — Mon, 31 May 2021 22:53:32 -0400

best be able to do exercises - run - read maps - monkey bars - have a i can take it attitude.
Don’t flunk anything- if you get recycled you can find out what you did wrong

Response by 1SG Eddie Jones made Jul 13 at 2021 8:11 PM

1SG Eddie Jones — Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:11:25 -0400

I found iin any Military school that I went to no one out ranked anyone. I went to 1SG Instructor was a MSG, in class he outranked me.

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Jul 17 at 2021 8:34 PM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 20:34:12 -0400

not responding to your question directly . i'd like to mention that when i went in as prior-service (as an 'old man' of 29), most of the drill staff took it real easy on us 'old people' (we were 3-4 around 30yo in that co.)

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Jul 17 at 2021 10:54 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 22:54:50 -0400

I'm one of the few people who can answer that from personal experience. I don't like giving my exact dates of service but everything I will write here is the truth.
I joined the Army Reserve in the 1980s. I went to Infantry OSUT, which is basic and advanced training combined, for 13 weeks.
Fast forward 31 years. I am an 49 year old E7 in the National Guard in a military police unit. I noticed that I was in a 31E slot. (Bear in mind that the basic Military Police MOS is 31B.) Upon inquiry I found out that 31E was "Internment Resettlement Specialist" (i.e. prison guard).
I was unemployed at the time and having learned a few things in my career I asked, "Can I go to school for that?" It turned out there was a 7 week course at Fort Leonard Wood so I signed up.
I reported to the unit in the evening and a fairly young female E-6 was the duty NCO. She went to parade rest (such formalities are usually dispensed with in the National Guard) and explained that I was what the called an "insert" which is a prior service soldier inserted into the regular AIT (Advanced Individual Training) course.
It turns out my class was myself, 5 other inserts (two E-5s and three E-4s - the oldest of which was 30), and 60 privates fresh out of basic training - most of whom had graduated from high school that year.
Lucky for me - my only extra responsibility was to make sure the other inserts didn't get into trouble which was easy because they were squared away.
While us inserts didn't have do the BS things the other trainees had to do we still had to do PT at 0500 and went through the same training. I had a private room, and a rental car so once the training day was over I was on my own and, best of all, I had the weekends off.
The instructors respected me as a fellow NCO and the troops looked up to me for my age and experience.
Yes, it was strange but it was the closest thing I could do to go through basic again 31 years later.

In your buddy's case, he will be going though basic so he will be living in the barracks and be subject to the same restrictions as the other trainees but he will most probably be named the platoon guide (or whatever they call it today). I suggest he brush up on Army terminology and traditions.
Good Luck!

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jul 18 at 2021 4:20 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:20:44 -0400

How did things turn out for you at basic?

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2021 9:59 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 21:59:08 -0400

Ok, I was prior Air Force E5 (40 years old at the time) going to Army basic at Ft Sill. It sucked but at the same time it was fun. My Drill put me on the duty crew. I guess he figured me to be a worker and not screw it up. I had some candid moments with my Drills at times. Had a few WTF moments from training cadre wondering if I was crazy for giving up AF life or if I was CID. The biggest problem I foresee for you is dealing with the all the d@mn kids. I didn’t have to live in the bays with them. Thank god.
We got through the shark attack and bay assignments. One of my Drills gave me my phone back and took me to the NCO rooms. Told me when to be back on the drill pad in formation the next morning. Basically, if we weren’t training, I was able to go back to my room and do whatever. Just be back for all my time hacks. I got base liberty twice and ordered from Amazon pretty much whatever I would have been able to buy at the PX. Tissues, cough drops, Advil. I opened that box in front of my Drill and he took one look at me then told me to keep it in my room and don’t share. Guess he took pity on my old ass.

Response by TSgt George Rodriguez made Jul 18 at 2021 10:10 PM

TSgt George Rodriguez — Sun, 18 Jul 2021 22:10:14 -0400

I was prior service Air Force and re-enlisted after being out of service for 10 days short of 4 years. I maintained my E-4 stripes. I didn't have to go back thru basic. I did have to retrain from 70350 (Photo-Lithographer) to 90230 (Pharmacy Tech). Since I had a family at that time I was allowed to live off base while going thru Tech School at Shepard AFB, Tx. I had to be in class on time and was relieved of duty at the end of class with no further duties. At graduation I was assigned to my permanent station at Fairchild AFB, Spokane Washington. Given travel pay for myself and family. This was back in 1971 I was 27 at the time. They added the 2 years inactive reserve time to my pay which gave me E-4 pay with 6 years. I don't know what it is today since I retired in 1986 after 20 years as an E-6 with 22 years pay instead of 20 years.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2021 11:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:23:19 -0400

Hello there my name is drill sergeant Souther. Spent two years as a osut drill sergeant in 1-81 ar and currently a night operations drill sergeant for 30th AG. As a prior service we are going to pull you aside especially with your rank and brief you on your limitations. Doesn’t matter your rank you’ll have to do certain things and get use to the fact that a e6 might yell at you and being prior Air Force you’ll have to go through all the training unless you’re a jtac or PJ.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2021 2:37 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:37:56 -0400

I was in Basic back in 1988, had a 44 yr vietnam vet had to go back through with us. They treated him very differently than the rest of us. But he was a great advisor for us young ones. (I was only 17 and kind of awestruck back then)

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Jul 20 at 2021 3:37 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:37:49 -0400

Good job.

Response by CSM Duane Harb made Jul 25 at 2021 11:30 AM

CSM Duane Harb — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:30:21 -0400

Well break in service glad you had made E7 before I had a break but was an E5 at the time came back as a E4 but understood that I had to pay my dues as I had to learn even though my break was relatively short some things change

Response by SGT Deborah Jones-deleon made Jul 29 at 2021 2:28 AM

SGT Deborah Jones-deleon — Thu, 29 Jul 2021 02:28:25 -0400

It was your choice. So suck it up and get off your high horse and just do it. Or don't. You sound like a wuss

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Aug 7 at 2021 6:18 PM

SGM Ronald Cheatom — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 18:18:30 -0400

As a senior NCO, i never forgot the advice, my uncle, who retired in the early 70s, as a senior NCO, do as your told. No matter the rank I held, the NCOIC, was in charge, so I did as I was told, period.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Aug 7 at 2021 6:23 PM

SGM Ronald Cheatom — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 18:23:06 -0400

I also remember, privates, and the spec4 mafia complained when I assigned them to burn them latrine mess, that the NCOs never did hard work. So I took all of the 1st SGTs , and platoon SGTs out , and we burned shit for a day. That proved to both everyone, that we aren't above being in the poop.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2023 6:17 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:17:23 -0400

Chief, thanks for the updates on this post. I just had my Army aviation flight board and if all goes well, I'll be following in your footsteps. Basic is a requirement for me as well, however my recruiter recently informed me that there is a 5 week prior service course occurring in August he wants to try to get me in.