What effect does making commandants list on a 1059 have for promotions in the senior ranks?

2016-03-05T00:29:08-05:00

Response by SFC Tyrone Almendarez made Mar 5 at 2016 12:37 AM

2016-03-05T00:37:16-05:00

It stands out when you are getting looked at.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 12:40 AM

2016-03-05T00:40:02-05:00

I can't answer that, never got one, made SFC at 9 years of services , many of my peers than got it make SFC at 12 or 13 years, I think performent in an NCOER weight more than a 1059 that is my opinion

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 6:54 AM

2016-03-05T06:54:43-05:00

It is a feather in your cap, as it distinguishes you from your peers by using a universally accepted standard, but it is not a panacea. Other elements of your packet are scrutinized more and weighted more by board members.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 8:12 AM

2016-03-05T08:12:27-05:00

Any little edge you can get on your peers would help but at the end of the day it all depends on your branch and what they are looking for during the senior board. Good luck this year.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Mar 5 at 2016 8:17 AM

2016-03-05T08:17:23-05:00

I think it will give you a one up on people who doesn't have them, it will also get you looked at a little closer.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2016 8:56 AM

2016-03-05T08:56:32-05:00

In my opinion and based off of the CSM's and now CW5's and COL's that I've talked to who have sat on selection boards, 1059's carry very little weight. If your ERB/ORB says that you graduated from BLC/ALC/SLC then the board member will go as far as to verify that your 1059 is present to match what your ERB says. A board member doesn't have time to see what you received in leadership or in any other area. Number one focus for a board member is your NCOER followed by the ERB/IPERMS to make sure your records match, look at military Ed, civilian Ed, deployments and overseas tours and they will scrutinize your photo to ensure that your awards and decorations are captured on your ERB/IPERMS too.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Mar 6 at 2016 12:16 PM

2016-03-06T12:16:18-05:00

It is a good thing because you stand out among peers. However you may only see that bullet once in a records review. It does not carry as much weight as SAMC, Sergeant Morales, or other important leadership, team, training, bullets on your Evaluation that are continuous. Commandants list is an individual achievement. You promotion to the Sr ranks is dependent on your development of Jrs and value of you bring to entire Army. Your NCOER will ALWAYS be that catalyst.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 6 at 2016 3:22 PM

2016-03-06T15:22:33-05:00

That is quite a feather in your cap, but I suggest you be superman, so they have all the reasons to promote you!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 6:18 PM

2016-03-06T18:18:09-05:00

First, you should go there with the mentality that you are going to be Distinguished Graduate. If your going there just to get a 1059 and be done, your hurting yourself.
Second, besides going on your 1059, exceeded course standard, it also goes in your ERB as a code. This lets the board know you were DG, HG, or CL. It is posted in the center column of military schools.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 6:58 PM

2016-03-06T18:58:48-05:00

It doesn't have one, mainly because it is so subjective. Commandant's list in WLC (now BLC) was 300 kids. In ALC my NCOA didn't have any because there were only two classes graduating (about 20 people) and my entire class save one person had a GPA of 100% (this is common in EOD classes). For SLC commandant's list was based on each individual class, and could only be the top 10%, which was two of us. So the title of "Commandant's list" doesn't give anyone a good idea of anything. But there can only be one Honor Grad. Every unit I've been in would put in an AAM or ARCOM for it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2016 9:59 PM

2016-03-06T21:59:49-05:00

Great question. I made the Commandant List at all 3 NCOES. If you look at previous promotion boards AARs it will state in most of them that individuals that exceeded the standards at NCOES courses were looked favorably, why? Let's make it simple, we have 1 position to fulfill and 2 packets remaining, yours and a peer. Both packets look alike, both 1/1 on NCOERS or best qualified if under the new system, both have the same schools and on and on. Here's where a "positive" discrimator which is the same as setting yourself apart from your peers comes into effect. If both packets are the same and both have APFT scores of 300, then look for something else that one packet has and the other don't. If you have a check mark on "exceeded course standards" on your 1059 and the other guy don't, then is like sorry you're both great NCOs but only one promotion. The answer is we will promote the one that had the one positive discriminator. That's why is so important NOT to take anything we do in the Army lightly and always try to exceed standards in everything we do. Apply the analogy to pro-football, if I have one player scoring 2 touchdowns per game and one scoring 1 or less during the pre-season, who will I select to be on the team and that's saying they are getting the ball thrown to the same number of times.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2016 6:11 AM

2016-03-07T06:11:13-05:00

When we board packets honor graduates from NCOES will be ranked higher. Potentially can have a effect. E-5 and above promotions are based on evaluations (NCOER & 1059s).

Response by SFC Craig Dalen made Mar 7 at 2016 11:02 AM

2016-03-07T11:02:28-05:00

It can be the deciding factor between two equally qualified personnel for the same job.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 9:24 AM

2016-03-08T09:24:01-05:00

If you are MOS 13T, nothing.

Response by SFC David Davenport made Mar 8 at 2016 11:47 AM

2016-03-08T11:47:38-05:00

Your NCOERs will have a greater impact but your performance at NCOES will be visible. Your next NCOER can and should have a bullet referring to your performance at NCOES. All of your 1059s are visible to boards throughout your career. By comparison typically only your last 5 NCOERs get reviewed. If you excel at NCOES it will be noted; especially for senior NCO positions were the competition is much closer between qualified candidates.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 10:48 PM

2016-03-10T22:48:46-05:00

Commandant's List, in and of itself, very little to no effect. Honor Graduate ("there can be only one") rates an excellence bullet and can push you ahead of your peers on the new NCOER. For the senior ranks, remember it's about how you exceed over time not just a brief moment in time.

Response by SGM Paul Bryant made Mar 28 at 2016 9:27 PM

2016-03-28T21:27:38-04:00

It does nothing but help you. For those NCOs that claim that it can be used as a bullet on your NCOER- please read AR623_3. This is under para 3-17: Comments
a. Comments will not exceed the space provided on evaluation reports. Additionally, comments must pertain
exclusively to the rating period of the evaluation report; comments related to nonrated periods will not be included
(that is, schooling, duties performed while suspended, and so forth). Awards and/or special recognition received during
the rating period may be cited in evaluation comments (for example, “received the Humanitarian Service Medal” or
“named the NCO of the Year”); however, comments related to scholastic achievements are limited to AERs.

Your 1059 is non rated time and is your AER. This did not change with the update.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 23 at 2016 4:22 PM

2016-04-23T16:22:03-04:00

Commanders or Commandants, which program and at what level. Any additional item of significance in your records is a positive, the level of significance depends on the program and the timing.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2016 10:14 AM

2016-07-26T10:14:57-04:00

The effects of making the commandants list being on ones 1059 when his or her packet is reviewed could be that point(s) that puts that Soldier ahead of his or her peers. It varies from board to board and the board members. The board may not even consider it at all because the Soldiers DA photo was the best of the pack. But it's good to have because you never know what they will need or look at. The most important thing is a good, well comprised, COMPLETED PACKET PERIOD. (foot stomp X3)

Response by SSG James James made Oct 23 at 2018 12:01 AM

2018-10-23T00:01:02-04:00

It don't make a shit.

Response by CSM Eric Olsen made Jul 11 at 2019 9:36 PM

2019-07-11T21:36:12-04:00

The Army put that column on your web/srb for a reason. Fill it to the best of your ability with DH, CL, and CD! The way NCOPDS is going lately (epitomizing critical thinkers), this matters just like these NCOs from my old unit and I at today's Infantry ALC @FortBenning!

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jul 11 at 2019 11:29 PM

2019-07-11T23:29:53-04:00

One time makes a great feather in your cap. Consistently making the list is serious street cred.