What happens if you forget to show up for AT orders?

2021-07-02T00:07:26-04:00

I know it's bad. But a week of published AT orders and you forgot to cancel them because they were for a course you didn't end up enrolling in. They're over now and no one has reached out because no one ever remembers when you're on orders. What are the different possibilities? Any option to move them to a time in the future or just definitely disciplinary action?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2021 2:01 AM

2021-07-02T02:01:57-04:00

If they are the kind of orders you turn in with proof of course attendance after the fact to get paid then it could blow over.

If they are the orders that you get paid automatically then things will get complicated.

Regardless, federal law says you are due 48 MUTAs + 14 days of AT so if you are short those points without documentation of being given permission to skip any of it and acknowledged your giving up those days then it could get administratively complicated for you.

Question? How does this impact your “good year” and are you going to push back on your leadership for not affording you an AT for a good year? If so, your leaderships’ best course of action is to discipline you to cover themselves.

See where this is going?

Contact your leadership and get it straightened out.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2021 7:26 AM

2021-07-02T07:26:11-04:00

Orders can't be "moved".
They need to be revoked, and if you need orders for a future date, that would be a new order.
Contact your UA now, tell them to revoke the order.
if for some reason they processed that order for pay, the revoke will mean that money is deducted from drills until paid off.
If you do not revoke the order, you, the UA and the commander are guilty of fraud, which could lead to the UA getting fired, the commander getting relieved, and a field grade ART 15, reduction and collection from you.

Frankly, your UA should not have requested orders until you were enrolled in the class, and should not have submitted for pay until you provided proof of completion of the class.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 2 at 2021 8:16 PM

2021-07-02T20:16:46-04:00

The good news is that they don"t use firing squads anymore

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2021 6:04 AM

2021-07-03T06:04:24-04:00

Contact your UA and/or Training NCO.
I don't get the idea that "no one ever remembers when you're on orders". Doesn't your FFL and at least your Training NCO track this stuff? Something is very wrong with your AGR support staff if it got to this point.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2021 12:26 PM

2021-07-05T12:26:02-04:00

Here is my question: How did an RFO get submitted and approved then orders cut for a course you weren't enrolled in?

And how does your unit NOT track who is on orders and when?